Celebrity Big Brother 2007 Thread Two - Severance or Reparation of East/West relations - it's up to you!

Nah, they already covered their asses by having Paul Morley on BBLB last night.

The New Schmoo: 33/1

on the previous thread is now my favourite thing on ILX ever.

http://vote.sparklit.com/poll.spark/1026031

Who do you want evicted on Friday?
Jade 90%
Shilpa 10%

Momus was right about that British/Brutish thing.

Jade was as horrible as horrible can be in oxogate. She explicitly asks Shilpa to take back the comments about it being all she ordered, Shilpa says "yes, that was wrong, I take that back" and Jade TOTALLY FUCKING IGNORES THAT and goes on for another hour about Shilpa being a liar. The giggling fuckwits were just as bad, particularly when one of them says to Jade "Your Mum would be proud to see that" and the sad thing is she's probably right!

Jade's "fake" thing's a cracker though - "apart from my tits everything about me is genuine, I'm no fake, I'm no liar" while the Sun rips the pish out of her for getting liposuction, lying about her weight loss and releasing a fake workout video. If Davina doesn't throw that in her face tomorrow (along with a load of other stuff) then C4 can fuck right off. She should be hung out to dry along with her two agitators.

The Carphone Warehouse thing makes those shortening odds on the show ending early quite telling, word must have gone out yesterday that it was going to happen.

Also Dirk saying "We should go into the bedroom and giggle and talk for an hour to see if any of them get grouchy about losing sleep" so something must have kicked off in the wee small hours.

Lt. Starbuck to win. "Ain't goin in no plane, biddi-biddi-biddi what's up Buck?"

The Bitch Is Back: 4/1
Common People: 7/2
The Immigrant Song: 9/4
Your Racist Friend (by They Might Be Giants): 16/1
Pale Shelter: just because

^^ Shilpa says Jade isn't racist ^^

I think said management company may well decide that it's expedient to drop Jade asap and make sure Davina and Russell look good by giving her a proper slating though.

I cannot cope with her insane primary school classromm assistant interview technique any more. Can't we swap her out and get Paxman or John Humphries or Simon Amstell or Jonathan bloody Ross even. Even Terry Wogan and Zane 'tell me why your band's so great' Lowe give their interviewees a harder time than Davina.

This is what you get for promising the Hoff.

just don't say his name three times

He was in the diary room!

(or one exactly like it!)

-Jade has called Shilpa "poppadom"
-Danielle has topped this with "I think she should fuck off home. She can't even speak English properly anyway"

er, that was two nights ago, wasn't it? ie it was on last night's highlights, and we saw danielle getting hauled up for it.

"poppadom" is new to me, though. wow.

"She is Indian, thinking of an Indian name and only thing I could think of was Indian food. Wasn't racial at all. It was not to offend any Indian out there."

Fucking hell what a stupid bitch.

I know there is still a US version, though it isn't very popular -- just some cheap summer reality tv programming to run instead of reruns.

Has CBB always only had one day to vote for eviction? Was someone meant to be evicted earlier, but that was put on hold due to the various walk-outs?

"I am not a politician but...

If I was, I'd get more people into work and stop people coming into the country. There's so many people who come into England because they know they can get benefits. People who already live here should get the jobs. But I don't really know much about politics."

I am freaked out by how right wing Dirk seems to be.

No, I'm putting his Democrat remark together with his earlier comment about liberal Hollywood bullshit and drawing a conclusion about him. I could be wrong.

(xpost haha)

i want to be a minor celebrity so i can deal with the old 'you never put the toilet seat down' problem by installing a urinal.

Am I missing something?

Right, but, I don't think he wrote the A Team. Also, I think in the episode I saw recently, it was some sort of Boss Hogg figure they were fighting.

I guess I always just hope that people I like will have politics I like.

On this occasion Channel 4 has decided that all of the profits made from the voting lines will be donated to the charities sponsored by the housemates.

Watching Question Time: lots of foax who have never watched BB are very angry about it, oh and Edwina Currie called Jade, Jo and Danielle "a bunch of slags".

Some funny stuff about it on Mock the Week as well, if anyone saw that.

funny stuff on Mock the Week? Now THERE's a first...

A pal of mine in America actually wrote a thesis on the left-wing aspects of the A Team! There may have been some 'reading in' involved, frankly, but I don't think it can simply or exclusively be decoded as a rightist tv prog - it's more messy and self-contradictatory than that (like all great art!) Of course, Dirk's own reading of the prog may well be from a libertarian/republican perspective but since when have actors been the best critics of their own work?

I wldn't be surprised if Cleo shared her gd friend Kenny Everett's Tory sympathies, tho

I'd imagine H is probably the most left-leaning HM, but in a 'wouldn't it be great if we all got on' kind of way rather than a 'Storm the seats of power and seize the means of production! Get yer Socialist Worker!' kind of way.

And maybe I've missed something wonderful by not tuning in much, but the only time I've seen Dirk do *anything* since the beginning is to see his "liberal Hollywood"/"Democratic party" digs. The former of which didn't even make ANY SENSE AT ALL in the context. He's a wanker.

This is quite illuminating, surprised none of it made the highlights show: http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4936469193113672645

It's 48 mins long but it does include
- Jade's "every time I look at her I want to headbutt her" which gets a big laugh from everyone
- Jack speaking something like 6 words in a row
- Jo trying to lighten the atmosphere with "there was a young girl from Bombay"

Lucky we've got The Sun around for moral guidance on sensitive race and class issues.

Oh hang on , that's the Daily Mail. Now.

Plus blah blah only newspaper to employee hijab wearing Muslim blah blah

Part 2 is unbelievable.

Damn right. I wish my dad wouldn't buy it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,1993906,00.html

Spain, I think.
-- i'll mitya halfway (mitya_il...), January 18th, 2007 4:25 PM. (mitya) (later)

Yep, Spain. I can't believe I missed all this. Got home this evening just in time to watch the highlights show + Mock The Week (yes, funny) and Shami Chakrabati defending Jade (sort of) on Question Time.

Things I have found odd:

Front page of A N Other Tabloid seen lying around a pub earlier this week: people in India have been burning effigies of Big Brother bosses. How the holy fuck do they know what they look like in order to construct these effigies? (I am reminded of the ridiculous Glazer family effigies at Old Trafford, somehow)

Why are so many people assuming three silly little under-educated, over-privileged, detached-from-reality girls are representative of a "Climate of Hate" or whatever the press are trailering this as? It's common knowledge that Jade has the sensitivity and common sense of decency of a particularly stupid dishcloth. I'm a bit surprised by Danielle and Jo as they'd seemed quite nice when I stopped watching this last week. I quite believe they are stupid and horrible and ignorant, I just wish they weren't as they seemed better than that. Oh well.

I just read the other thread. Fanny flakes? Bloody hell. (I'm sorry that that's the main thing I am taking from this thread. My PoV so far is similar to someone else's on the other thread that their problem is with Shilpa not with Indians/foreigners as a whole, but they are using Shilpa's nationality and caricatures thereof as a vehicle for expressing their dislike of her, which is stupid and ignorant and, yes, racist. I'm sure they don't think they are being racist because they don't hate all Indians, just this one, but using her nationality against her is also racist - I don't think they're aware of this).

Why is Jack getting away with his part in this? Are the highlights being skewed towards Jade as the figurehead of this since she's the most popular/visible/high-profile one of the protagonists?

I have some serious catching up to do.

LOL @ "you're a little sweet princess. a little frightened rabbit of a boy."

Hmm, Jade worrying about Jack fancying her? Is that why Jack is going out of his way to prove he doesn't fancy her? Jade paranoid about Jack Marrying her?

just a thought.

Also 2: Didn't Dirk say something to Shilpa in the bedroom last night about Jack moving beds, away from Jade???

no. jade was having trouble thinking of possible surnames that people have. she found "harry" pretty quickly but then couldn't think of another one until she starting thinking about people she knew and their surnames and then also managed "mackindosh", after a while

What was all that about "Jade's been told her perfume has been withdrawn"? They either mean 'her office' or, well, ...

She must have put it on her "contact me in case of emergency situation "
1: My perfume gets withdrawn
2: Death of family member
(The phonelines weren't started until halfway through Russell's show, even though we all knew who it would be)

All the phone vote revenue is to charity now.

This thread, if it drops way down the new answers, and I add a message, the likelihood is a xpost happens. Will it this time?

No it didn't.

Now the game of consequences has hit Danielle, too :

Former Miss Great Britain Lloyd has been dumped from a lucrative modelling contract, believed to be worth six figures, as a result of the row. The girlfriend of Teddy Sheringham signed a 12-month deal at the end of last year to be the face of motorcycle insurance firm Bennetts.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,,-6356400,00.html

Front page of A N Other Tabloid seen lying around a pub earlier this week: people in India have been burning effigies of Big Brother bosses. How the holy fuck do they know what they look like in order to construct these effigies?

Because they're handed them by rival British cameramen? Same answer as 'where are the shops in the Middle East selling all these flammable US flags?'

(xpost God it's a good job there are no online photos of Enrique right now!)

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waht

he was funny the other night, when the first audience member he asked was azn, and he said 'ah, *you're* conveniently ethnic' or something along those lines.

Pot. Kettle. Black. Etcetera.

otm, with the americans especially it's almost painful watching them counting the hours till they can go home.

The silence of Noel Edmonds, host of Endemol quiz show Deal Or No Deal, on this issue is deafening.

Jade stomping around saying "What do you mean, having an argument with you is what I'm famous for!!???"

(oh, but Jade! Bad news! It's now true!)

it's never too late!

although i have a slightly unlikely image seared on my brain now.

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Yeah I noticed that, she was trying to give examples of names that are easier to say than a complicated foreign name like Shetty and ended up picking one she couldn't say :)

is that the same australia where they recently invited everybody to Tonk A Pom during the cricket? 8)

http://www.tonkapom.com.au/ oddly now redirects to Tonk A Kiwi.

Conflation of Neil and Richard Desmond there, or are you referring to that endlessly recycled Private eye pic?

in fairness, that would include "smith", "jones" and, er, "ugg".

Sounds like a new year resolution

Big Brother will be making a change tonight, and soon the housemates will be finding out who's up for nomination.

So, an afternoon of crying, no doubt.

Coming soon: Robert Lindsay in The Trial Of Peter Bazalgette.

The sort of thing the papers would have called to be banned if it had been about Thatch during the Falk war. Funny that.

Anyroad, avoided QTime, figured debate would be by seven people who hadn't watched it. Newsnight, BBC2, probably similar. So settled for ITV, to find Martyn Lewis(?) talking to someone standing outside Elstree studios.

No getting away from it.

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Danielle's agent gave her some handy tips before entering the house.

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I'm sorry to bother you again Mrs T, it's just I have dis question about dat Belgrano ting
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/adc/10102420A~Peter-Falk-Columbo-Posters.jpg

-- vita susicivus (n...), January 19th, 2007.

Sorry, a bit late but can i just say lol to this. I am using it whenever i can from now on if that's ok.

i see BB making the girls aware of their behaviour has seen them suddenly trying to backtrack and make amends with shilpa (jade supposedly gave shilpa a big hug today). bit late now though. im waiting for two faced danielle and 'i see nothing wrong with the argument and dont think i played any role in it whatsoever' jo to come into the line of fire a bit more though, jade seems to be taking it for all three of them.

here's the girl that replaced danielle as miss GB -
http://www.preetidesai.com/

"On 26 February 2006, Lloyd was named Miss Great Britain 2006[3]. However, on November 2, 2006, she was stripped of her title “following recent claims in the press and magazines and the publicity given on the Playboy Web site for their next issue", according to the Miss Great Britain website.[4] The claim they were referring to was that Lloyd had been dating Teddy Sheringham, who was one of the judges of the pageant, for more than two months before her victory. This was reported by the media after she allegedly said in an interview that Sheringham bought her a pair of shoes for Christmas.[5] Lloyd continues to claim that the relationship started after the pageant, and that the interview was made up. She attributes her topless shoot for the December 2006 issue of Playboy as the primary reason for the loss of her title.[6]"

Introduce yourself when you go in, Hi, I’m Danielle Lloyd, you may know me from the beauty pageant world etc.... Some may not know who you are.

Haha.

yeah the other two actually strike me as nastier and more racist, sour-faced jo especially

I pointed that out on the last thread. On that article I posted from the Sun - it's notable that her agent felt the need to remind her not to be racist.

jo seems to know exactly what shes doing, she looks very knowing when danielle or jade are saying something she knows they shouldnt but she wont actually say it herself as shes obviously too smart for that, but she will encourage and press jade and danielle to do it. her obvious glee when jade was laying into shilpa was obvious. the fact she saw nothing wrong with it whatsoever when BB asked her about it makes me respect her a bit more just for not backpedalling like the rest but makes me think shes just as bad if not worse cos shes not a dimwit just saying the first thing in her head unconsciously but deliberately.

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- "fuck off home"
- "Shilpa Poppadum"
- "she wants to be white"
- and Jack's "paki" incident, if he said it.

The eating thing is because Indians "make food with their hands". Also there's apparently been some accent-imitation shenanigans but I haven't seen that.

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er: "go home"? "poppadom"? the "comedy" accents? "is that how they cook chicken in india/is that why they're so thin"? jack's alleged use of the p-word? etc etc etc.

it's not like anyone's come out and said "EEH FUCHIN' 'ELL I REALLY HATE THEM JORMANS INDIANS". it's just a constant, snickering, needling low-level racism. it's hard to explain without seeing it: it's just the attitude, the sneering, the giggling, the nastiness.

it's notable that her agent felt the need to remind her not to be racist.

yes, WTF?

The "you don't know where your hands have been" came from a "don't they eat with their hands in India? Eww" type conversation.

Whereas British people make it with their elbows

this was clearly racist though. british people both prepare and eat food with their hands. the idea that shilpa eating food with her hands was disgusting, taking into account tone and body language (which is totally reasonable), is racist.

these could all be interpreted as racially inspired, quite easily:

danielle said that shilpa should fuck off home and that she couldn't even speak english

jade called her shilpa fuckawalla, shilpa poppadom and something else

jo doing her comedy indian accent

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There's a lot more than what is being said as well. I don't think they hate her for being Indian, I think they hate her and are using race as an easy way to mock her.

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Flaunting ignorance of India in order to appeal for support, as if its an obscure place no one should know anything about

this is well on the fucking money, matt: excellently described. you're absolutely right. i mean, FFS, those three (and jack the twat) claiming cultural superiority over anything other than a small speck of shit on my shoe ... jesus, the mind boggles.

they don't know enough abou 'her' to hate her. they instead despise the most obvious aspects of her difference. that's racism.

*excluding bikers, probably

No, if they had got on well with her, they'd have liked her despite her being Indian.

The more I see this, the more I'm thinking this is low level racism. More with Daniele and Jo. With Jade it's more 'throw things and say worst things in a sub-tourette fashion when angry' sort of thing.

To be honest, Jade will be more 'oh god'ding if Davina hauls her up about the liar thing and the liposuction etc than the 'race' question (of which she's now got some forewarning about)

i'd pay to see that.

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Why exactly are people arguing Jade is being less racist than the others, again?
-- Matt DC (runmd...)

for whatever reason oxogate has eclipsed the other stuff.

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I smell fish out of water comedy wherein Jackie Chan's character somehow ends up in Dehli!

(http://imdb.com/name/nm0792908/bio)

!

Push her harder Jade!

No doubt Leo thinks so too.

Donny was on a phoneline to BBBM 2 days ago, but avoided saying anything useful/interesting.

a) Up until a couple of days ago I think Jade was pretty confident of winning the whole thing. Her face upon the realisation that not only is she less popular than Shilpa but that everyone hates her, her career is in tatters and people are burning her effigy would have been a fucking picutre.

b) With these 'one faction against another' evictions (Maxwell/Science - Sezer/whoever he was up against) its always hugely amusing to watch the faces of the henchmen when they suddenly realise they've backed the wrong side. This would've been immensely satisfying with Jo and Danielle.

ironic, given that she's now in the house fighting, umm, cocks.

[mental note: that one needs work.]

well they didnt seem to WANT to get to know her (unless i missed something). and if they did, they getting someones name wrong, not caring to say it properly, and making dodgy assumptions about where that person is from isnt exactly the way to do it.

A scene by scene recasting of this tonight, with Jo and Danielle forced into wearing t-shirts with Shilpa's face on whilst Ms Shetty smokes a cigar and does a little freestyle over some Usher tracks, is pretty much essential.

I feel we are being inexorably drawn towards this eventuality as we speak. Seriously, it'll be in cinemas by Christmas.

Entitled "Bombay... Duck!"

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Come on, they've obviously been told about what's going on in the outside world

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Even if she wasn't, she's not seen as much of the bitching as we have...

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=%22Jack+Tweedy%22+%22Jade+Goody%22&word2=%22Jack+Tweed%22+%22Jade+Goody%22

"The others, for the most part, showed their almost total ignorance of and lack of curiosity about India, which she has dealt with more politely than I would have. She is recognisably middle-class Indian in her good manners and her forthrightness, as well as her occasional nerdiness and her unconscious pomposity."

and they hate the latter aspects especially.

HE'S THAT DENSE!!!

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Even if she wasn't, she's not seen as much of the bitching as we have...

Dermot pointed this out yesterday, that she's far more likely to see the malevolence as having a racial component when she sees all the footage and hears everything that was said.

Also, I think it's unfair to say that the Americans are just marking time until they can get out. Of course they bloody are, the place is a mad house. Any chance they might have had to get to know each other and form any kind of bond has been wrecked by the ceaseless bloody shouting.

right. i find it strange that columnists and general viewers are still saying 'bullying yes racism maybe/no'. how overt does it have to be? do they have to burn a cross on the BB house lawn?

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I think it was "Shadowplay" but I'm no JD expert so someone needs to confirm that. It had a sort of guitar solo inbetween verses.

I don't think that it's what people generally consider as racist. Being willing to use race as a stick to beat someone with (and stupid enough to do it in front of millions) isn't the same as being prejudiced against people because of their race. The most interesting aspect of this mess is the hope that it'll give people a vocabulary to expand the word beyond the narrower meaning. Or rather an concrete example of why it might need expanding.

- Does anyone know if Ian Curtis practiced self harm? This is currently in dispute over at List of self harmers. Mdwh 04:16, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

- I'd say topping yourself is pretty self-harmful. --Hn 07:14, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

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Danielle is one of those contestants who seems to be under the impression that you can get away with saying any old vile shit as long as you're on your best behaviour in the diary room.

aye, well, they should. and hopefully this farrago will go some way to opening some people's eyes.

racism = criticising people for what they are as opposed to what they do, but Shilpa's surely been getting a fair bit of both

"I knew I'd be up," said Jade.

"Me too," said Shilpa.

"Whoever goes will be happy, and they can sleep in their own bed," chirped the ever-optimistic Ian.

"Yeah," agreed Jade, adding: "And when I find out who nominated me, I won't speak to them ever again."

Fingers crossed? Eh?

so now she'll get a sodding free holiday out of it as well...

Wasn't there some talk of motorcycle outriders escorting the car with Jade in it, and taking her to a secret and safe location because there have been threats made against her??

Presuming Jade is the one to be evicted, of course.

Re the booing growd, I disagree:

(I know it's bad to laff, but:)

Imagine Jade's face as she opens up the door (crowd noises played into the house)

and no-one is there.

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from digital spy -
jo; " I'm really worried about what's been said"
Jade: "Dont' worry about it, there's always a way of justifiying it."

"Interview with Jade Goody commenced 19th January 2007, approximately 22:15"

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The other night she used the verb "favouritisming" :)

"I told Big Brutha if he is favouritisiming anyone he should be favouritisming me!"

oh god this is how she'll survive isn't it - over the next few months the jadebrand will be all about how britain's poor pet ignorant learns the error of her ways, expresses contrition about her racism, turns over new leaf...

haha I was halfway through typing "I wonder if they'll risk Big Ron for BB next year"

The GBP you gotta luv 'em.

Shilpa has clarified that she meant Jade's propensity to scream and shout was her claim to fame.

Yes but this will be shown on the most obscure cable channel, not on, say Channel Four.

sounds good!

At work, so I can't verify this is the actual clip that DS say it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDcHgjtBe18

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>> Vote Shilpa! <<
C4 - How low can you go

Since Jade Goody shot to fame on Channel 4
she has had the same management as Celebrity
Big Brother host Davina McCall, and both
Big Brother spin-off show hosts, Dermot O'Leary
and Russell Brand, as well as last year's
Celebrity Big Brother winner Chantelle.
So is it any surprise that C4 and CBB
producers are so reticent about condemning
the racist bullying, led by Jade, on their
show? They have their own interests to protect.

Like this excuses anything. She has faced no kind of stigmatisation for being a single mother whatsoever, so the "I've suffered too, therefore I could never stigmatise someone else" card she's trying to play is a blatant, self-serving bluff.

Presumably Endemol have given her and the rest of the Three Witches some kind of clue about how their behaviour is being received by the GBP and this is a desperate attempt to extricate herself from the mess she's made.

Obviously, just like they persuaded Shilpa to retract her accusations of racism

Jade (6861) 89%
Shilpa (805) 11%

...why you chav-haters should leave her alone

The predictable chav-baiting, prole-hating scumbags have emerged from their holes in Hampstead to abuse Jade. But I fail to see how social racism is worse than cultural racism. My ex-friend Nirpal Dhaliwal wrote here this week how irritating Shilpa was and that he could only watch her with the sound down. Now he is upholding her as a heroine.

Mr Dhaliwal makes his living from detailing how how irritating many people are to live with - what a shame they cannot extend this understanding to an uneducated but enterprising and essentially good-hearted young woman who, unlike so many current celebrities, achieved everything she has for herself - not because her daddy was famous, or because she married well.

Shame on the media for sadistically monstering this girl in exactly the way they accuse her of doing.

People forget how hard Jade's life has been - she was a mother to her mother from the age of five, wheras in her thirties this is the first time Shilpa has ever been without hers.

This isn't a clash of black against white, but of real against fake.

I love the sight of Indians, in a country with a huge class of Untouchables, prancing around burning effigies and telling us not to discriminate!

Shilpa keeps repeating, "Is it my fault I wasn't raised in a slum, is it my fault I wasn't born by a roadside" - as Untouchables in her country, millions of them, are.

She is obviouisly scandalised that Jade is allowed to mix with "respectable" people - ie, a bunch of washed-up showbiz nobodies. God forbid we should have social mobility here, back to the scullery with all of them.

Of course, what cultural cry-babies like Jermaine Jackson don't cotton on to is that if socie

in a way, it isn't necessary to actually read the article. this does it for you.

It is my favourite thing on BB, when contestants start trying to convince BB that they did or didn't say something. Like we don't know?

I'm not sure it would be such a bad thing if there was a programme where Jade went to India and was forced to confront her prejudices. Seriously, in a country where people dial 999 to report something that is clearly not an emergency, people clearly need all the education they can get, starting from the lowest base possible.

I was going to cut and paste things from Birchill's article and argue with them, but srsly, what would be the point?

Since Jade Goody shot to fame on Channel 4
she has had the same management as Celebrity
Big Brother host Davina McCall, and both
Big Brother spin-off show hosts, Dermot O'Leary
and Russell Brand, as well as last year's
Celebrity Big Brother winner Chantelle.

She nominated Shilpa. Yeah I know she nominated Jade, but she doesn't want to alienate the other two witches and has sat on the fence throughout. Horrible, nasty, self-serving behaviour.

This is getting too big to be used as a 'pleasure boat' for the great,good and righteous to see someone getting their 'come-uppance' for racist trolling..

The 'india documentary' might not be so bad. I don't feel the need to see Jade disgraced/victimised, as the people that would cast stones in her direction are too often not without these traits themselves.

- may think it's best time for Shilpa to go, for her own happiness
- gives Cleo a better chance of winning obv. (fair enough considering the nature of the game) if the other more pleasant people are gone

She's not to know what's going on outside, or even all of what happened inside either.

yes the glee with which 80% of commentators have launched into foaming-at-the-mouth condemnations of 'chavs' is almost as bad as the racism itself

(I'm not necessarily disagreeing there's an element of chav-bashing here, although it could be exaggerated. That said, that Burchill piece is astonshing arse)

http://www.joefinan.co.uk/USERIMAGES/BB%20sponsor.jpg

Obviously I'm simplifying hugely here, and the whole chav phenomenon has certainly been influenced by and has fed into a particularly British strain of class snobbery, but to let people off the hook for abominable behaviour because of their class is just ludicrous. There are plenty of pleasant, tolerant working class people in this country, indeed there have been on past series of BB - Craig, for one.

I do think the tabloid chav-bashing is extremely crass, but I don't think it's neccessarily the same as hating on the working classes.

You don't say?

Julie Burchill doesn't see it that way.

lamentable, but it shouldn't be used to deflect the original issue - of the greater real and potential divisiveness and violence that follows from racist attitudes.

Shami Chakrabarti's response to this was most excellent.

I don't want to know about John Major's private life thank you very much.

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I was pissing about earlier trying to see what Big Ron was up to and found a Daily Mail article claiming that what he said about Desaille wasn't racist.

"Fair enough if people vote me out because they don't like me, but if it's because they think I'm a racist b**** I'll be worried about walking out - because that's not me."

Apparently not, being an "underclass slag" is enough

There's an opening there for someone!

They're all going to be stunned and bewildered at the witch hunt that's been whipped up.

Don't be hating on Cleo either, she's been a darling today.

i can't remember whose it was but the last press conference thing i saw had about 6 people in it, all cunningly arranged to look like more than 6 people. or, was the journalist woman.

oh, and caitlin moran on bblb last night reminded me a lot of charlotte coleman. which was nice.

?

He does! He was on Steve Wright In The Afternoon this afternoon saying that very thing!

Jade is possibly the least bad of the four of them (I can't believe Jack is getting off so lightly with this), but is still very bad. However she'll be made the scapegoat precisely because she is loud, gobby and, well, Jade. I will be surprised if Jo and Danielle and Jack get the no-crowd / police-protection route - why are none of them on the front of the tabloids as images of everything that's wrong with this country when they have been every bit as despicable as Jade, if not more so?

(Caitlin Moran is a journalist of some repute, I believe. I once vomited on her shoes)

Shit, I keep forgetting about Jack, it's very easily done. I think he's barely conscious of anything, and probably doesn't know what 'agenda' means.

hopefully they haven't learned too much, from this, yet

it's almost as if we want them to keep being racist/whatever!

Spot Mrs Been In Spain All Week

"after this week's debate on racism it makes me almost miss them"

then a quick tussle between Rhona Cameron and Nihal with the former arguing that it's not so much about bigotry but how confused our society is over race.

I was also very amused by Dermot saying "we have had a statement from Channel 4 confirming that there will be no crowd outside the house, for Jade's safety."

It's weird the way she keeps leaving pauses for a crowd reaction that's not going to happen.

1. An effort to minimize or curtail damage or loss

Painful viewing, especially Danielle.

TED: Welcome, wilkomen, bienvenue. It's a great honour and privilage for me to present this
celebration of the wide diversity of cultures that exists today on Craggy Island, namely Chinese
people and people from Craggy Island. I have prepared a short slide show presentation which
reflects this multicultural mix. So without furtherado lets start the show.

SLIDE ONE - TED WITH HIS ARM AROUND A BLACK MAN

TED: This man visited the island a few years ago. I forget his name now but I got on very well
with him so I just thought I'd throw that in at the start.
MAN IN AUDIENCE: Will there be any free drink at this?
TED: Yes. There will be a limited supply of free drink afterwards

SLIDE TWO - THE GREAT WALL OF CHINA

TED: The Great wall of China; a miracle of Chinese engineering, so big you can see it from
anywhere in the world.

SLIDE THREE - CHAIRMAN MAO

TED: Chairman Mao. Secretary of the Communist Party of China. One of the biggest communist
parties in the world and in my view the best!

SLIDE FOUR - MR MIAGGI

TED: Mr. Miaggi from the Karate Kid, one of my favourite films. NOT because of the karate kid
himself but because of Mr. Miaggi. Not a day goes by when I don't remember one of his many
words of wisdom.

SLIDE FIVE - KATO

TED: Kato. Where would he spring from next?

SLIDE SIX - MAURI

TED: The Mauri. I'm sorry, I don't know how that got in there. Ahem, of course there are no
Mauris on Craggy Island.

MAN WEARING MAURI FACEPAINTS IN AUDIENCE LOOKS UP

SLIDE SEVEN - MING THE MERCILESS

TED: Ming the Merciless.

SLIDE EIGHT - FOUR CHINESE PEOPLE

TED: But best of all the Chinese people themselves. Look at them there, aren't they great.

SLIDE NINE - A CROWD OF PEOPLE

TED: The Chinese; a great bunch of lads.

TED ENDS OFF THE SLIDE SHOW, WHILE THE SLIDE MACHINE PROJECTS A PICTURE OF FATHER
TED FOLLOWED BY THE WORDS, "NOT A RACIST", REPEATEDLY.

TED: Right I think I've addressed all aspects of Chinese culture and I'd like to thank you all for
coming here tonight. Of course, if you want to have a word with me afterwards, we can have a bit
of an old chat.

"This all may be on the front cover of every newspaper in the country, I dunno"

Yeah, I usually tend to assume that inoffensive things that I'm saying are being covered down Wapping way.

Well, all she has to do is remember things that happened in this same situation three and a half years ago.

Yeah, I usually tend to assume that inoffensive things that I'm saying are being covered down Wapping way.

Are you Jade Goody in the Big Brother house?

I don't expect that to happen.

"i'm not a bully because the sky is the way that the hello and the crazy and the chicken is the way the sky the hello and the crazy and chicken and the silly and the fart and i did the hello and chicken and the tape yes that i was the chicken and the sky is the hello and the same and the way and the.."

It is amusing how this interview is all Hays Code in its hard-assedness, so that C4 can go to Ofcom and say, look, we have had a learning arc, please let us keep our show, because it has all been worth it, because she has learned and grown.

i.e "Fifty years ago you'd be hanging upside with fork up your ass"

This is sort of what I was driving at with "Jade is possibly the less bad of the four". She's getting pegged as the ringleader because she's loud - obviously, being Mrs I've Been In Spain All Week, I've not seen everything everyone's said, but I still find Danielle's "she should fuck off home, she can't even speak English" comment more hateful and unfounded and ridiculous than anything else I've read/heard (though it's a close-run thing). Yet somehow Jade (who can't speak English either, hohoho) is being painted as the ringleader and the others seem not to be so hated by the Great British Public. I will add disclaimers all over the place to the effect that all my opinions with having garnered info from other sources that aren't watching the programme, but please credit me with the intelligence to form my own opinions from what I have learned.

What I see, as I have said, is that all four of them are being horrible and ignorant. But I still believe that Jade is being singled out, not for what she has said being any worse than any of her chums, but for being louder and more high-profile about it. I'm not excusing her at all, btw, I just think that Jo, Danielle and Jack should be getting the same treatment as her (i.e. total public humiliation). Part of me, also, thinks that she's less aware of what she's doing (fuck's sake, folks, we've all seen her mother!), again this doesn't excuse it, but it could, possibly (if we're being charitable), explain it.

I don't like or condone her at all. I hope the press crucify her (not literally). But I hope they do the same to the rest of them too.

if you go by overt behaviour that had an impact on shilpa, Jade's behaviour is unacceptable. the other 2 took the backing-up-the-bully role, so they are complicit, but the hectoring and abuse have been from Jade. it is the bullying behaviour which should be concentrated on. accusations of racist intent, racist behvaiour, or plain being racist are important and should be addressed, but I think it is distracting from the simple undeniable nastiness.

(this has all made Jackiey's earlier transgressions almost forgotten, hasn't it?)

i dont think jade should be burnt on a stake or anything, although her speech did seem a bit prepared, and i dont think she really knows what she did wrong, although she did seem somewhat genuinely apologetic. it just seemed to be a lot of tears for her own sake, rather than her actions. anyone thinking her career was going to be RIP now is obv wrong though, shes just gonna repent and then arrive revitalised from the looks of it.

xpost - I'd imagine they were going for innocuous

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/organgrinder/2007/01/celebrity_big_brother_live_shi.html

lol 2220

thats cos she didnt have time to prepare a statement - BB didnt tell her off about the bullying, only the racism.

gross. please let this be rubbish.

1) She didn't look at all surprised by the lack of crowd.
2) In the diary room, she apologised to everyone in India. Why would she assume they knew about it?

Her apology was to serve herself? Well of course, who is it supposed to serve? Her media career is something worth fighting for. She admitted to being nasty and in a roundabout way, a bully.

And to answer why are we debating if she *is* a racist, compare to Jack. He's disappointed in Jade folks! He didn't think she went far enough!

btw, that horrendous edit at the end! My bet is someone shouted something very nasty.

Another reason the media in particular are going for Jade is that she's the only one at the peak of her career. Danielle you could argue is on the way up (haha not any more), Jo is washed up and Jack is nobody.

Does anyone have any Youtube footage of the eviction?

plus Davina saying to Jade "I'm not sure what you already know but.." implies she may well have been briefed to some extent.

i doubt they're going to want to give Jack, Jo and Danielle all their own separate evictions only to have to go through all this again with each of them (otoh the ratings probably WOULD hold).

So essentially they have to add one of the three remotely famous people in the UK desperate enough to still want to be associated with it, which frankly isn't going to reach George Galloway The Cat heights, is it?

And I can't imagine his highlights reel being longer than one minute long. (A verse of deeper shade of blue, a legwank, and a monkey noise...)

Will he walk? For all our sakes, hopefully yes. But then he probably wont. Noms will be shilpa/dirk based until the end.

I've not seen a second of the programme or its coverage, except the increasingly hysterical promotion of this story on the front of the tabloids and the free 'grab-em-while-they're-shit!' rags, but isn't this girl being made into a bit of a sacrificial cow for all things nasty and working class? Sorry if I'm a bit of a late-comer...this snobbery about not knowing where Norfolk and Suffolk are, and the allegation that someone can't speak their own language just because of their class background. For me producing, writing about, watching or following this shit is itself indication of a very low intellectual level, or at least of a willingness to debase oneself to take an interest in what is after all merely a very prolonged promotional exercise.

Sneering at anyone because of how they happen to speak is always a pitiful form of bigotry which reveals a deep insecurity about the authenticity of one's own voice. Has this country has gone right back to the attitudes satirised in My Fair Lady? Should these people go and take elocution lessons?! Pure, witless snobbery.

Incidentally, I was very interested to read on the Guardian site that Channel 4 apparently edited out the footage of one of the white characters performing Muslim prayers. Evidently the notion of a white working class Muslim was so unthinkable that it could not be broadcast, presumably not fitting inside the very limited framework that the programme provides. This incident tells us more about the programme than any other, and I sincerely hope to see effigies of those responsible burnt in genuinely angry demonstations around the Muslim world, rather than in protests staged for the benefits of Western TV cameras, which is what I suspect we saw this week in India.

Oh FFS this "oh I hope they punish the others as badly as Jade" talk is ridiculous. I mean, it must be obvious to everyone inside and outside the house that they're going to go for Danielle, Jo and Jack like that, zap zap zap. They'd have to put Gary Glitter in for any other eventuality to be even considerable.

I remain unconvinced. They're airbrushing over the mess (see "don't be racist" pep talks etc) and everyone's* forgotten about Jackiey due to the Jade hysteria

Another reason the media in particular are going for Jade is that she's the only one at the peak of her career. Danielle you could argue is on the way up (haha not any more), Jo is washed up and Jack is nobody.

I already said that! focus based on a cursory glance at the front of the red-tops is on jade first, Danielle second, Jo and Jack nowhere to be seen as their fall from grace won't sell (as m)any papers

I'm very happy to be proved wrong, but I think the press have had their field day, they've "got" someone for it all now, and I'll be mightily surprised if the CBB focus in the papers** isn't Jade's rehabilitation into this crazy old race-hate world she's single-handedly created and instead is more "let's go after Jo O'Meara next".

*sweeping generalisation ahoy, but hopefully you know what I mean
** sweeping generalisation # 2 = the man on the street gets his/her opinion from the front page of The Sun/Mail/NotW

xpost = Gatinha, I don't think the allegation that someone can't speak their own language just because of their class background is actually an allegation. Have you ever *seen* Jade Goody attempt to wrap her tongue round a sentence? However I don't think it's a "oh noes, the working classes are all thick" so much as a "hah, Jade Goody is thick", which is pretty much undeniable. She's made a career of it, so is fair game for comments of this nature.

Sneering at anyone because of how they happen to speak is always a pitiful form of bigotry which reveals a deep insecurity about the authenticity of one's own voice. Has this country has gone right back to the attitudes satirised in My Fair Lady? Should these people go and take elocution lessons?! Pure, witless snobbery

I doubt many people have a problem with Goody's accent. It's the shite she speaks with it which is wrong.

And I don't think you're really in a position to accuse people of pure, witless snobbery when you're tossing away sentences like For me producing, writing about, watching or following this shit is itself indication of a very low intellectual level, or at least of a willingness to debase oneself

Is there really nothing better you could be doing with your time and your mind than following Celebrity Big Brother?

No, I slavishly devote every slack-jawed drivelling second of my miserable meaningless existence to it. I presume you have dropped some tremendously high-brow pursuit that I wouldn't understand, being of a low intellectual level, purely to come and snigger at the stupid people. How nice of you to drop by.

(you're the one swaggering in to the thread to tell us all that we're intellectually inferior to you, so I don't see how you can justify getting all "ooh, stop attacking me" about it. You may not watch the programme, but have you read the threads, where several, usually intelligent, posters have made what seem to me to be valid points about the way this has been playing out in the press? Or are you wanting to make the sort of sweeping criticism that you're accusing the tabloids of? Please explain to me the difference between the tabloids' generalisation that Jade is everything that is bad and wrong with the country and your generalisation that everyone who watches Big Brother is a bit dim.

I didn't say that, I said that they were either a bit dim or that there were much better ways to spend their time.

As a viewer of the programme, don't you find it interesting that they edited out footage of one of the contestents praying in order to hide the fact that she is a muslim? Don't you find that distateful/not in keeping with the remit of the programme?

Such as? I think you'll find what you said initially was that your BB viewer was either stupid to start with or dumbing themselves down to watch it.

A quick search of the Guardian site shows the practising Muslim to be Jade Goody's mother. You'd think this may be a point that Jade (and Jackiey herself, come to think of it) could have used in her defence if it were true. Jermaine Jackson's prayer sessions haven't been shown either. I have seen no mention of Jackiey's religion before or after. If she is a Muslim, she's kept it pretty quiet (something I don't believe she is capable of, being, as I am, quite the Z-list celeb-watcher)

Finding distaste in how Endemol/Channel 4 present the material is part of the fun, btw. I'm guessing you don't understand this.

-- Gatinha (rwillmse...), January 20th, 2007.

What exactly are you doing on here then?

(actually, given that it's the weekend and I've been awake since before 6, I suspect the answer should be "sleeping")

im not taking potshots at jack based on his class or based on the fact he might speak like jade, just at what everyone else has noticed about him - that he barely speaks at all. and when he does, its hardly ever interesting. or its quite horrible and just full of venom.

Everyone in the house sussed there wasn't a crowd from the conspicuous, howling silence that lay behind Davina's initial address to them an hour before the eviction. They talked about it a little on the live feed between programmes.

2) In the diary room, she apologised to everyone in India. Why would she assume they knew about it?

There wasn't really anything in what she said that suggested she knew about protests in India. it was really nothing more than "I said poppadum? Whoops, sorry Indians!".

You missed the "only" after Jade in that sentence.

However, if the allegations made by some anonymous people on the Sun's web forum turn out to be true, well then, the whole house of cards will come tumbling down.

Perhaps Ralph Fiennes could play her in the film version.

Well, she can read well,at least.

Well, if even half of these allegations turn out to be true, I will not watch CBB anymore either, unless, unless they have someone on it who will tell me afterwards everything that happened.

I really hate allegations that I "could be doing something better with me time". Yes, of course I could. I could be volunteering for Oxfam, or writing a novel, or learning another language, or, you know, I could be doing all those things AND doing this as well.

ha ha, OKAY Gatinha...

birchill article has this also, the idea that people attacking jade must surely be from hampstead not scunthorpe

TOP DISCUSSIONS

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we also managed to get a telly working last night to see the eviction, despite the fact the first one i plugged in went "BANG" and did a very good impression of something about to explode.

anyway:

yes, davina's interview was feeble (although perhaps not quite as feeble as i'd expected) and i really think C4 need to be putting the brakes on this whole farrago sharp-ish and bringing it to an early end. sadly, i don't think jo, danielle and the vile, gurning goblin that is jack will be hit by anything like the same shit-storm when they leave, which is a shame: this, i guess, is where the massed ranks of internet mentalists need to keep saying "hoy, these people are fuckers and need to be called to account" and ensuring they can't just sneak back under their stones for a few weeks before swanning back into the public eye once everyone's forgotten.

that's not to say, of course, that we should just write jade et all off. they might, for all we know, be capable of learning from this experience and, just maybe, of becoming better, less vile people. the optimist in me sees no reason why not - as long, of course, as they're not simply let off the hook for the sake of maintaining the entertainment status quo. right now i've no idea what will happen at all: we're still in the middle of it all and it's too soon to judge.

what i guess i'm saying is that, no matter how vile someone is, they can always change. of course there'll be a jade-meets-shilpa/jade-goes-to-india follow-up. and, just maybe, it might be a good thing. just maybe.

and of COURSE jade was coached, dudes. it's big brother; big business. C4/endemol stand to end up in spectacularly hot water over this. it's in their interests to ensure that jade appears contrite; that "big brother" is seen to take these issues very seriously; etc. i'm told that sky news yesterday suggested the police might go into the house to interview HMs about what had happened; either way, i can't believe for a second that there hasn't been some serious briefing going on.

like i say: i think the best thing they could do is pull the plug and say: "woah, we fucked up, sorry", but that's obviously not going to happen.

That's the bit that makes Endemol seem so slippery. Millions are watching -- we already know it's a fucking mess. Yet instead of admitting it they set about colluding with the housemates to try and pull off blatant fixes. It's like the drunk driver trying to switch seats with the passenger as the cop is standing at the window. Or something.

*Of course, if we've learnt anything from this debacle, it's that C4/Endemol are far from being sensible.

By the way, Ailsa is my new hero for taking that Gatinha joker to task.

Watching it today: Jack is quite chilling character. No emotion ever plays across his face. There's nothing in his black, pitiless, empty eyes except, perhaps, contempt for all of humanity.
Either that or he is just really, really thick.

The fact that he was dressed like he was on one of Vinnie Jones'/Guy Ritchie's hunting parties, perhaps fantisising he was levelling his twelve bore at "fucking WANKER" Shilpa didn't exactly make me warm to him.

he was probably thinking that he was going to make up for jade's apology to shilpa and treat 'the cunt' like he thinks she deserves.

Perhaps it is like the BB contestant saying "I never said that, Big Brother, what I said was..."

-- chap (joe.goode...), January 20th, 2007.

Hey, I was standing right behind her going 'get him' in a supportive non-macho way - I want some credit. I would have totally got the dude if i'd had to...

the rik waller bullying was fucking unforgivable - but it makes the whole CBB thing look even more rigged. they took a nasty celebrity car crash waiting to happen and gave her some equally shitty sniggering cohorts... fuck her.

endemol intelligence must have comped this one together really carefully - you can see the strategic flipcharts

2 points:

1. shilpa shetty sounds nicely like 'kill machete'. hopefully this applies to jade/jack/danielle/jo's careers

2. jade goody bears a weird and striking facial resemblance to muddy mudskipper

i think kathryn flett gets it just about right - http://observer.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,,1995021,00.html

(Anything interesting happen? I was watching 24.)

xp

How would've Lil' Kim reacted if Jade had said those things to her?

Jo's comment on being told that Dirk was close to 'breaking': "let's break the motherfucker".

Dirk v Cleo for the new CBB storyline then.

I don't think anyone will nominate Shilpa, well apart from Jo and Jack. Danielle will be fairly safe. Cleo will get only one nom (well, Jermaine might well also, but ...) . I don't think anyone minds Jack much in there. H is now a good bet to win, (note to myself: check the odds) Jermaine will never get any noms ever (Maybe Jack).

So, that leaves Dirk and Jo. That doesn't seem to make sense at first, but Jo will probably get nominated by Jermaine, Dirk possibly, Shilpa probably. So, three should be enough)

Jade is doing the 'contrite on all channels and media' maybe set up a Jade thread for that debate?

I see they showed a very quick clip (for the first time) last night of Jermaine praying. Probably a deliberate effort to show how Channel 4 embraces different faiths.

it's about 15 minutes on the 'live' feed judging by the odd references they make to the time whilst cooking etc. which seems a lot but sometimes they have to call lawyers and stuff (the bloke responsible was employee of the week on CBBLB last week).

She's certainly right about him hiding his intelligence, he does that very well.

I think most of them either kind of like him or don't really mind him. Being a no-mark is going to get him to the final night :(

Jack of no trades.

He's only 19!

Cleo : Dirk, Jack
Danielle : Shilpa, Dirk
Dirk : Cleo, Danielle
Ian : Jack, Danielle
Jack : Shilpa, Jermaine
Jermaine : Cleo, Jo
Jo : Shilpa, Dirk
Shilpa : Jack, Jo

making: Shilpa 3, Dirk 3, Jack 3, Danielle, 2: Cleo 2, Jo 2, Jermaine 1

The entire point of Big Brother is that it a sadistic pressure cooker in which you see bits of people's personalities rise up and clang around that you probably wouldn't get in a situation where you were allowed to go outside, or talk to your friends and your family. What happened with Jade and Danielle and Shilpa and Jo is the POINT of the show. Channel 4 doesn't endorse the things the people on Big Brother say any more than Formula 1 endorses car crashes.

-- Euai Kapaui (tracerhan...), January 22nd, 2007.

i broadly agree BUT

1) they kick people out over bullshit stuff all the time
2) channel 4 denied there was racism
3) channel 4 *edited out* racism (ok i need confirmation: but jack made monkey noises?) -- that's pretty damning.

that people are talking about high-level changes is ridiculous -- almost as ridiculous as the pandering anti-semite ken livingstone saying he'll pull advertising (good, frankly: why the fuck does government have to advertise?). all the same channel 4 failed to get their arms around the thing and make it an issue and they were far too protective of jade.

i really don't think he did, he was just making a whinging noise mimicking her moaning.

Oh yeah?

As far as editing stuff out goes, they edit all kinds of things out all the time. I don't see a conspiracy here, especially given that they didn't edit out "poppadom", mocking the accent, etc. If anything, I've heard people saying they SHOULD have edited out those bits, so as not to be inflammatory!

yes, seriously.

As far as editing stuff out goes, they edit all kinds of things out all the time. I don't see a conspiracy here, especially given that they didn't edit out "poppadom", mocking the accent, etc.

this happened after the story went global: the p-word bit happened before then. they specifically said jack had called her a cunt, not a paki and that if he HAD said 'paki' they WOULD have shown it because it would have shown a side of his personality or something (honest to good, look it up).

Once they realised there was a story running that they had no control over they then started showing the racism - and doubled their audience.

xpost

"serving up rac as entertainment' i.e. avoid this by cutting off the argument after Shilpa's "who used all the stock cubes" comment.

sort of... but since big brother is already a pressure cooker what channel 4 do wrong ultimately (in favt it's their M.O.) is turn up that pressure by making the whole thing completely confrontational, with no room for anything else. from the second day of broadcast they bring in a family who are designated masters and make the bulk of the rest of the house act as slaves to those new house members. it there any way the show can go other than spiral into hysteria and hatred? they are totally responsible for the way the show has gone. they manipulate every moment of it, pretty much.

the papers today say jade is on suicide watch, so i suppose the sympathy campaign has alrady begun.

i dont think anyone is taking the 'ch4 will/should lose their license' stuff seriously. i dont hold them responsible, i doubt they endorse it per se, but they obviously do enjoy the fact that the row last week boosted the ratings and gave what looked like an ailing series a new lease of life. but then, seeing how much support and protection they gave their beloved jade, i do wonder why they never thought to intervene with anything that was happening to shilpa until so late in the week. the whole censoring of jack calling shilpa a 'paki bitch' makes it look worse. they were obv trying to hide what was going on to reduce the outrage so they could be held less acountable. they obviously know as long as they deny there was racism (hence it still being reported as 'alleged racism'), they cant be culpable.

We've had one massive debate in the press, TV and radio. The concensus has been "Racism is bad, bullying is bad, Jade is bad."

There has been debate about whether or not Jade was racist.

General agreement that Jade is a bully. (Actually, she did not need a 'gang' to do this. But the gang were an extra addition.

At least, if people ponder about the attitude, the generality attitude is all the good. In times gone by, too many people given to racist opinions saw themselves as "speaking the truth that do-gooders run scared from"

Nowadays, it's only Peter Hitchen thinks like this. (What did he have to say on the matter?)

If jade had said most of the things she said at a low 'discussion' volume, that would be different.

Also, it was clear that events leading up to that day was S getting very much into J's V, and the irritation factor (re: Jackiey going, Jack's whispering campaign, and the 'girls bitching' was lighting the touchpaper.

im glad theres at least been some discssion about racism but its a bit sad that the whole 'why jade is a racist' thing has been focused all around the papdum comment. that was just one thing (and it wasnt so much what she said there, but how she said it and its intent). focusing al on that makes it look a bit trivial and is forgetting all the other racist/xenophobic behaviour.

Funny you should say that, Michael Richards actually beat Jade in the game of Racists Top Trumps we devised last night. Although that's hardly a reliable barometer considering Andre 3000 came out as more racist than Hitler.

I just don't understand what people want from Channel 4. An official statement that the station does not endorse racism or bullying? Isn't that kind of a given??

no it isn't a given, not by any stretch.

again: if any other person on c4 used racist hate-speech they would have been halued up and the channel would have apologized.

Yes I do think it's purely the context/tone of how things are said rather than what is actually said. People tend to overlook this when they say 'Shilpa poppadom' is no more racist than 'Mary haggis' or whatever.

On the other hand, Jade has actually killed two million Jews. She's just got a really good agent so the press don't cover it.

which suggests that C4's intolerance of racism would normally be indeed a given? and that this issue is more complicated.

how did/do broadcasters deal with racist football chants?

It's very rare that they're audible in this country. If you do hear them, for example when black Premiership players are appearing in Spain, the commentators will make some highly disapproving noises of the "it's an absolute disgrace that this is still present in football" variety.

Either that or they sack Big Ron.

Danielle was the first comedian into the Diary Room... but her performance was a bit more Ernie Wise than Eric Morecambe.

She tried. In fact, that was probably her undoing. The Scouser's comedy creation was a character called Avaline who stated repeatedly that she was "gorgeous" and "not ugly". The joke being, evidently, that she was ugly, as demonstrated by her geeky glasses and ginger syrup.

But the skit scored a big fat frown on BB's laugh-o-meter and Danielle was informed she had failed. She was not amused.

Jo levelled things up when her age-old gag about two camels tickled BB's fancy enough to spark a flurry of canned laughter in the Diary Room.

Ian then transformed himself into "Cecil Sidebottom", a 30-year-old well hung virgin who was seeking a "woman or man" for "steamy nights and lusty loins". He then launched into a rendition of Rick Astley's classic 80s hit 'Never Gonna Give You Up'. Big Brother lapped it up and chuckled away. 2-1 to the funnymen.

It was left to Dirk to keep the laughter going, but he died such a death that no one has entered the Diary Room since for fear of the smell. He tried a couple of lame jokes (including one about a horse with a long face, we kid you not) plus the following self-penned limerick:

There once was a fella called Dirk,
Who everyone thought was a jerk,
So he did a show called Big Brother
Against the advice of his mother,
And now he's just turning down work.

But not work as a comedian, judging by Big Brother's cold reaction.

"I'm just not funny," he sighed as he trudged sadly back into the lounge.

Murdering Jews:

Hitler - (8). Der Fuhrer scores well in this category having been responsible for 6,000,000 semite deaths.

Andre 3000 - (9). Andre has yet to kill any Jews but unlike Hitler is not dead. His score reflects his much greater potential in this field.

OTM yes exactly.

To those who say, well, they edited out "p---" and other things; sure, probably because as NRQ said, that sort of language gets edited out as a matter of routine.

not what i said! channel 4 said that IF jack had said it they WOULD have shown it. but they said he didn't say it at all. they should have shown it. (whether in context his use of 'cunt', which is what c4 claims he said, was racist anyway is another question.)

They do have ultimate control over what you see - and they chose to let you see the main dynamic that had developed, along with the racist elements of it, if not the full monty.

yes -- and it's also that the commentary didn't reflect this and channel 4 issued statements saying there hadn't been racism. i think this was inconsistent with earlier series' treatment of bullying?

Some of you are trying to have it both ways here - saying that because they edited some of the most offensive stuff, they're trying to deny or downplay the racism on the show; but also, that they should never have shown the stuff at all, since on other shows - like football! - these things would be edited out, thus proving Endemol's callousness. But they can't do both!

it's more complicated than that -- they should have deployed a more critical stance to it, i guess, but that would take the show toward 'wife swap' semi-'serious' reality territory when this is basically entertainment. this whole row has made it very unentertaining.

they have given people bollockings for being 'aggressive' on the summer show, also.

What, Danielle dancing like "slaves in the US South"? !!

Is Cleo trying to overnice her way to winning?

Jermaine was good.

How do the BBC and ITV deal with David Walliams and Ant and Dec regularly blacking up and deploying "funny" ethnic accents?

-- Marcello Carlin (marcellocarli...), January 22nd, 2007.

And Harry Hill on saturday in notquiteblackface as Dev. That was odd timing.

C4 in new racism row

Leigh Holmwood
Monday January 22, 2007
Guardian Unlimited

Channel 4 has become embroiled in a new race row with scores of complaints to Ofcom about racist comments made on its new reality show Shipwrecked, MediaGuardian.co.uk can reveal.
The pre-recorded show, which launched yesterday evening, has had web forums - including the official Channel 4 site - buzzing after one of its contestants made offensive comments about black people as well as gay and fat people.

Media regulator Ofcom confirmed to MediaGuardian.co.uk this afternoon that it had received 46 complaints about the show, which pits two groups of young people against each other on two desert islands in the South Pacific.

Lucy Buchanan, an 18-year-old public schoolgirl from York, praised slavery and said she would get a black person to do her "slave work".

One poster on the Channel 4 message board said: "She said herself that she was racist. Its fine to have your own opinion but I just can't believe that people still have these views in this day and age!"

Another added: "Firstly I think you will find that she is a racist as she even admitted it herself! She does not like black people, she thinks they are all "bad" (even though she hasn't met any), she would like to see slavery reintroduced and she associates black people with slaves. Hmm... being young and 'confused' is no excuse for such vile opinions."

The new row is the last thing Channel 4 needs as its board meets this afternoon to consider the Celebrity Big Brother race controversy.

The alleged racist bullying of housemate Shilpa Shetty by Jade Goody has so far attracted 45,000 complaints.

Shipwrecked drew 1.2 million viewers at 6.25pm last night.

A Channel 4 spokeswoman said the comments - which were filmed five months ago - came from a "very young woman" who had led a "closeted existence" and that, after interacting with the other contestants, she changes her view.

"Other contestants reprimand her and say they disagree with her," the spokeswoman said. "Over the course of the series it becomes clear that her views change. It is quite a justified portrayal."

When she was tackled over her views by other contestants, she said: "I'm terrible at generalising, I'm really bad. I just don't know any [black people]."

i was fascinated by how embarrassed she was watching her "performance". i just don't get that: how she can put in so much preparation, and obviously believe in it at the time, but later realise what a crock of shite it was ... i genuinely expected her to defend it, awful though it was, but no: nothing of the sort. so what changed? what "place" is she in when she's doing her "friends", as she calls them? brrr.

i can't say i've seen her do anything genuinely unpleasant, although her fence-sitting and desperate desire to keep everyone happy do compromise her enormously.

poor cleo. i do feel sorry for her. but i'm sure that by the end of the week she'll just be annoying me.

It's basically out of Shilpa, Ian H, and Jermaine.

Won't Win
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Cleo - Too nice, too often. Praising Jack's musical prowess despite no evidence of any, is taking the cake.
Dirk - Too grumpy. Will get the Daily Mail reader vote, but ah they aren't watching it!
Jo/Danielle - obviously
JAck - Obviously

Oh, and how did they win the comedy task five to four, when there are only eight housemates? (Or did they give Jack half a point? His was the only one everyone laughed at on the replay)

i think channel 4 should show this sort of thing (that they have another racist in a reality show though, seems like they think theyre onto a winning formula), i welcome it in fact, ugly as it is, but theyre not really making any sort of comment on it. all theyre doing is issuing these feeble, pathetically vague statements like the one that was on the ch4 news last night that mean nothing and are insulting in their non specificity and lack of conviction. they should at least just say something to the effect of how they believe it serves a purpose but they do not in any way endorse the content of the contestants in their reality tv programmes or whatever. just say something. the fact they havent smacks of arrogance IMO. they probably wont issue anything proper (ditto for ofcom) until BB is over and forgotten about, when nobody cares anymore and people have stopped paying attention and jades career has been fully remobilised.

She is probably the most upper-class person on the show, right?

Cover of today's Daily Star suggests that C4 will FIX the FINAL results so that SHILPA emerges the WINNER to prove that C4 are SERIOUS about tackling RACISM.

From the same stable as the Daily Stand For Good Manners Express.

ha: i read titchy's entire post thinking it was you, enrique. but yes, agreed.

because, the higher up the class system you are, the more civilized you are, yes?

Good to know there's one paper who aren't 'afraid to tell the truth'...

Cleo : Dirk, Jermaine (feels close to or sorry for everyone else)
Danielle : Jermaine, Dirk
Dirk : Cleo, Jo (seems to have warmed to Danielle again)
Ian : Jack, Danielle (Jo is pal, likes Dirk/Jermaine)
Jack : Shilpa, Jermaine (everyone else seems to like him now, has come out of his shell quite a bit. But! WE! STILL! REMEMBER!!!)
Jermaine : Cleo, Jo (he also remembers, like the elephant)
Jo : Jermaine, Dirk
Shilpa : Jack, Jo (will find it really tough this week etc)

Shilpa: 1, Cleo: 2, Danielle: 1, Dirk: 3, Ian: 0, Jack: 2, Jermaine: 4, Jo: 3

So, Jermaine, Dirk and Jo up. That'd be Jo to go. And everyone shocked at it being Jermaine up! Especially those who nominated him.

Wife Swap star guilty of cruelty

The charges of cruelty all relate to one child
Wife Swap star Lizzy Bardsley has been found guilty of four child cruelty charges.
The 33-year-old, from Rochdale, was found guilty of three charges of wilful assault of a child under 16 and one of wilful ill-treatment.

All the offences relate to one child, who cannot be named for legal reasons.

The rest, pah!

If jade had never been in the house, Shilpa and the 2 girls would have bonded so hard, they'd have benn in togetherness the whole time.