― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 10 September 2002 18:35 (twenty-three years ago)
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― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 10 September 2002 21:18 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 10 September 2002 21:22 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 10 September 2002 21:34 (twenty-three years ago)
― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 10 September 2002 21:46 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 10 September 2002 22:54 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 00:15 (twenty-three years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 00:21 (twenty-three years ago)
― katie (katie), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 07:28 (twenty-three years ago)
― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 07:37 (twenty-three years ago)
not everyone is reading the question
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 07:39 (twenty-three years ago)
― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 07:44 (twenty-three years ago)
― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 07:44 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 07:48 (twenty-three years ago)
― katie (katie), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 08:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― katie (katie), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 08:01 (twenty-three years ago)
― katie (katie), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 08:05 (twenty-three years ago)
― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 08:06 (twenty-three years ago)
― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 08:08 (twenty-three years ago)
― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 08:13 (twenty-three years ago)
― katie (katie), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 08:20 (twenty-three years ago)
― katie (katie), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 08:22 (twenty-three years ago)
Mapping on to Lord Of The Rings: Aragorn starts out as sullen exile, fights lots, becomes king. Gollum starts off obsessed with the ring and finally manifests his destiny (Gollum is the Bez, or maybe Merry & Pippin are co-Bezes). Gandalf goes from Grey to White. Sam starts scared, remains scared, comes home still a bit scared but a fulled rounded person (Sam = Xander = Us).
In Baywatch Hobey was the Xander and CJ was the BEz.ANyway surely Sam is the King in Return OF The King.
― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 08:34 (twenty-three years ago)
The point being, in straightforward narrative terms, Aragorn is revealed to be someone important, whose role no-one else could fill, even before we find out the third film is named after him (conventional interpretation here). Xander's role is simply a supporting one, that of a sidekick.
― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 08:38 (twenty-three years ago)
― katie (katie), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 08:45 (twenty-three years ago)
― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 08:49 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 08:54 (twenty-three years ago)
― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 08:55 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 08:59 (twenty-three years ago)
― katie (katie), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 09:05 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 09:06 (twenty-three years ago)
― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 09:14 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 09:18 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 09:18 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 09:20 (twenty-three years ago)
― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 09:23 (twenty-three years ago)
― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 09:24 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 09:29 (twenty-three years ago)
Jaworzyn describes boulez as the fatboy slim of the classical world.
today I'm watching a movie with a friend of mine. it's got dragons in it. can't wait...
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 09:32 (twenty-three years ago)
― Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 09:38 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 09:41 (twenty-three years ago)
Xena: gabrielle is xander (obv), joxer is bez (even looks and acts like him)
― Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 09:44 (twenty-three years ago)
― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 09:46 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 09:54 (twenty-three years ago)
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 11 September 2002 09:56 (twenty-three years ago)
― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 10:01 (twenty-three years ago)
― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 10:05 (twenty-three years ago)
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 11 September 2002 10:29 (twenty-three years ago)
[Actually, Molly = Xander and Bez = Buck Mulligan (?)]
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 10:40 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 10:46 (twenty-three years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 11:44 (twenty-three years ago)
― Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 11:49 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 12:06 (twenty-three years ago)
Mark S: I need U terms as metaframework so I can discuss movies as you request: U is meta like your 'Bez / Xander' is meta, then I can talk about other stuff.
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 11 September 2002 12:40 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 12:51 (twenty-three years ago)
To be fair the Bez / Xander positions don't exist in every movie/book/tv show ever. Not even in a lot of them. Hence the beuaty of both sources.
― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 12:53 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 12:55 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 12:57 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 13:02 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sam (chirombo), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 13:07 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sam (chirombo), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 13:09 (twenty-three years ago)
Graham is the Xander.
― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 13:09 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 13:11 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sam (chirombo), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 13:15 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 13:18 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sam (chirombo), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 13:20 (twenty-three years ago)
― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 13:37 (twenty-three years ago)
― chris (chris), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 13:48 (twenty-three years ago)
― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 14:03 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 14:04 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 14:11 (twenty-three years ago)
This works quite well with ensemble sitcoms you know. Dad's Army: About Pike, Warden Whatsiface was the Bez.
Fill in the blanks please for M*A*S*H (easy), Porridge, Are You Being Served, ALlo Allo & Heidi-Hi.
― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 14:18 (twenty-three years ago)
― Emma, Wednesday, 11 September 2002 14:20 (twenty-three years ago)
porridge = godber- zander/ wet prison officer = bez
― chris (chris), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 14:22 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 14:23 (twenty-three years ago)
― chris (chris), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 14:30 (twenty-three years ago)
Not sure about Houlihan though. Chris is very good at this game though.
How about Oliver Twist? Great Expectations? Boon?
― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 14:34 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 14:36 (twenty-three years ago)
In the play adaptation of Great Expectations, Estella is the Xander and Abel Magwitch is the Bez.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 14:39 (twenty-three years ago)
Fawlty Towers: Polly = xander, manuel = bez. not sure about manuel, but it's not the chef bloke for sure
― Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 14:39 (twenty-three years ago)
― chris (chris), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 14:41 (twenty-three years ago)
Close Encounters Of The Third Kind: Truffaut plays the Xander, Mashed Potato is the Bez.
― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 14:42 (twenty-three years ago)
― Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 14:46 (twenty-three years ago)
― chris (chris), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 14:47 (twenty-three years ago)
― Graham (graham), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 14:48 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 14:51 (twenty-three years ago)
― Graham (graham), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 14:54 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 14:54 (twenty-three years ago)
― chris (chris), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 14:55 (twenty-three years ago)
(those are the only character I remember, sorry)
― Graham (graham), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 14:56 (twenty-three years ago)
― Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 14:57 (twenty-three years ago)
― Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 15:00 (twenty-three years ago)
And then he goes home with little David and sees fireworks! It is all about him!
Bez = Twisted Sister fan Sarah JP as it looks like she is important but I think the robot was acting of his own acccord. However it is sadly not the robots story, which essentially is just a mode of transit.
― Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 15:01 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 15:09 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 15:40 (twenty-three years ago)
― bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 16:57 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 17:03 (twenty-three years ago)
― Aaron A., Wednesday, 11 September 2002 17:27 (twenty-three years ago)
― Aaron A., Wednesday, 11 September 2002 17:30 (twenty-three years ago)
Filling in the blanks for Labyrinth, Dark Crystal & The Princess Bride is U&K!
― Ess Kay (esskay), Thursday, 12 September 2002 02:01 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 12 September 2002 03:07 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 12 September 2002 13:18 (twenty-three years ago)
― Graham (graham), Thursday, 12 September 2002 13:19 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 12 September 2002 13:28 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 12 September 2002 13:41 (twenty-three years ago)
shawshank redemption: xander is the morgan freeman character (SR is probably the first time i noticed this sort of technique)
If Darth Vader is the Xander of eps 4-6 then who is the Xander of 1-3? Obi-Wan, clearly.
R2D2 is clearly the Bez of the whole series. Chewbacca is sort of a Bez too.
Back to the Future: Xander is obv Crispin Glover. Bez is, hmmm, the bald principal?
― ryan (ryan), Saturday, 14 January 2006 23:21 (nineteen years ago)
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 15 January 2006 13:15 (nineteen years ago)
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 15 January 2006 13:20 (nineteen years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 15 January 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 15 January 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)
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― On one hand I've got myself to blame (Lynskey), Sunday, 15 January 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)
― On one hand I've got myself to blame (Lynskey), Sunday, 15 January 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)
― On one hand I've got myself to blame (Lynskey), Sunday, 15 January 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)
Twelve Angry Men - Xander=Lee J Cobb
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Cerebus (the first two thirds, anyway) - Xander=Astoria, Bez=The Roach
― chap who would dare to work for the man (chap), Sunday, 15 January 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)