Geir Hongro - Classic or Dud?

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I'd say classic.

― Mister Blobby, Sunday, 17 November 2002 23:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Waves of 1995 nostalgia wash over me.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 17 November 2002 23:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I feel old.

― Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 18 November 2002 00:33 (twenty-two years ago)

WHERE'S THE MELODY???

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Monday, 18 November 2002 00:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I feel older

― RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 18 November 2002 00:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Hahaha, I remember this guy from Usenet, making an ass of himself on a daily basis. Was he an ILM regular too?

― Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 18 November 2002 00:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Seperated at birth? Geir Hongro and Andrew Sullivan.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 18 November 2002 01:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, GH was a fairly regular contributor to alt.music.alternative, newsgroup of choice for many future ILxers.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 18 November 2002 01:56 (twenty-two years ago)

The people who actually argued against melody were made the daily asses. Geir was classic. Unless you were, like, into rhythm.

― Curt (cgould), Monday, 18 November 2002 02:01 (twenty-two years ago)

OK who posted that who was listening in on me and Mike the other night?

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 18 November 2002 02:11 (twenty-two years ago)

He was a poet and a warrior.

― Joe (Joe), Monday, 18 November 2002 02:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Rock history is filled with overrated artists
(Elvis Presley, Little Richard, Animals, Stones, Who, Led
Zeppelin, Doors, Velvet Underground, James Brown, Sly Stone, any
rap, any early house), but Beatles are NOT among them.

― Geir Hongro, Monday, 18 November 2002 05:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I remember this guy! classic in every way. I wonder where he is now.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 18 November 2002 05:46 (twenty-two years ago)

What about Gondola Bob?

― bnw (bnw), Monday, 18 November 2002 05:54 (twenty-two years ago)

You should listen to some COMPLEX music like "DON'T YOU WANT ME"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― Geir Hongro, Monday, 18 November 2002 05:59 (twenty-two years ago)

i smells a fake ...

― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 18 November 2002 06:15 (twenty-two years ago)

What about G*****a B*b?

Be careful what you say there.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 18 November 2002 07:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought about censoring it, but I don't know, there is something lovable about those stubborn old school trolls, especially compared to the irony accusing indie kids of nu.

― bnw (bnw), Monday, 18 November 2002 07:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I said back in the ama-days, and I'll say it now. My problem with Mr. Hongro wasn't so much the music he championed -- except for useless shit like Ocean Colour Scene and Gene. It was his fetishization of a particular sound, and reification of his own tastes as some sort of "standard" of what all good music "should be" that made him annoying. It's an intellectual habit, a conceit that could just as easily be seen in, say, those who love only hip-hop, death metal, free jazz, whatever genre you like. But Mr. Hongro typified that type of thinking in excelsis.

On the other hand, Geir was a stand-up guy -- some of the things said to and about him were pretty brutal (including accusations of fascism and racism), yet he stood his ground and defended himself against such charges (as well he should). So for that trait alone, I guess I'd say classic.

― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 18 November 2002 08:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I remember this guy! classic in every way. I wonder where he is now.

Still a regular at no.sport.fotball, FWIW.

― OleM (OleM), Monday, 18 November 2002 09:07 (twenty-two years ago)

My favorite is still Persinthia Lawdro and Heather the Garbage fan. Geir will always be second in my heart to them.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 18 November 2002 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

altho G. Bob did used to ask me on a daily basis in email what color underwear I was wearing, which was charming in its own special way.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 18 November 2002 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I often wonder what Persi's doing now. ML, too. (I suppose I could *email* them, but that would be a radical step to take.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 November 2002 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

ML's doing fine, based on the last time I talked to him earlier this year.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 18 November 2002 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Persi's on slsk a bit. I chatted to him a while ago but I changed my nick and stopped chatting on there a few months ago in horror at what an arse I could become when provoked into an argument so I haven't spoken to anyone on there for a while.

(Hello. I was lurker scum. Sorry. Not smart or articulate or knowledgeable enough, considering how many fine writers there were there or indeed are on here. No, I don't know why I post here, either...)

― Rebecca (reb), Monday, 18 November 2002 23:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir can currently be found ruffling feathers whenever he posts on the Audities mailing list

― mms (mms), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 12:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Did "Lulu" = Ally?

― Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 00:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Yup.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 00:19 (twenty-two years ago)

And I thought she was like 28 or something.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 00:29 (twenty-two years ago)

HEY NO TELLING SECRETS NED.

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 02:57 (twenty-two years ago)

D'oh! But I thought it was public knowledge.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 03:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, maybe.

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 03:01 (twenty-two years ago)

That was so shocking, like an episode of Melrose Place, when I found out Lulu's real name and age.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 03:04 (twenty-two years ago)

It was like how on Scooby Doo they rip off the bad guy's mask and it's really like Old Mr. Jenkens or whatever.

HORRIBLE REALIZATION: I was the Ethan P of A.M.A.

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 03:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeesh, don't say that.

I love how everyone on ama thought I was an ill-informed little ditz, and now many years on everyone on ilm thinks I'm an ill-informed little ditz. Now that's progress...

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 03:16 (twenty-two years ago)

HORRIBLE REALIZATION: I was the Ethan P of A.M.A.

Ally, Don't SAY that! Jeez!

I love how everyone on ama thought I was an ill-informed little ditz, and now many years on everyone on ilm thinks I'm an ill-informed little ditz.

WHAT?!?! WHO? I'll kick their ass, I will.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 03:20 (twenty-two years ago)

(insert usual comment that Nicole astoundingly underrates herself here) Mike is absolutely right, of course.

HORRIBLE REALIZATION: I was the Ethan Padgett of A.M.A.

What Nicole and Mike said. Dammit.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 03:21 (twenty-two years ago)

No one thinks you are a ditz! Who are these people? What the hell?

Dude, you all can admit it. Let's face the facts: underage, grating shouty persona, lived in the middle of nowhere, gradual increase in ridiculousness-to-get-a-response...you all know it's true. It gives hope for Ethan: one day he too can turn into a glamourous NYC girl.

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I admit, I laugh with this description. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 03:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Melody + complexity = the grebtest music evah

― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Hongro

versus

Chongo

― Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 22:53 (twenty-two years ago)

ts: arreosmith vs "snorky" the elephant

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 23:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Danger Island fucking rocked, by the way. These damn kids with their Britney and Justin! :)

― Joe (Joe), Friday, 22 November 2002 23:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Music is supposed to sound pretty and nice and make you feel good.
If you feel bad you don't need annoying music to make you feel
even worse.

Music should ALWAYS be supposed to make you feel good, good and
only good. I don't want ANYTHING, music or any other stuff, to
make me feel bad.

― Geir Hongro, Sunday, 24 November 2002 08:30 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

thread revive! just like nice, melodic pop is reviving!! hee

― Tad (llamasfur), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 03:25 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

i could not resist..dud

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it's eerily classic how Geir is exactly - exactly - the same as he was in 1998 when I last read one of his posts.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, some tastes and approaches change and some don't. You've noticed a lot of changes in your own approach to listening, so you're reading things through your own lens; I haven't necessarily with me, so I'm not surprised at general consistency over time.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I like how his name is actually "Oh! Grin Ogre" or "Rehonor Gig" spelled sideways.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

No, it's more than that - I wasn't expecting his tastes to have changed at all - I suppose it's just how he never gets tired of making the exact same points and having the exact same arguments. I'm sure lots of the conversations on ILM today are word-for-word duplications of old a.m.a. ones.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, DB DID call him the GeirBot for a reason.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Heh also I have slipped right back into the old a.m.a. habit of talking about him as if he wasn't here. Hi Geir!

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 3 March 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, hello!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 March 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir Hongro = Chris "Spinoza R. Prozak" Blanc of AMA?

-
Alan

― Alan Conceicao, Monday, 3 March 2003 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

classic

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 3 March 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir is a werewolf

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir Hongro = Chris "Spinoza R. Prozak" Blanc

Definitely not, I've collaborated with the latter on a few occasions and he's quite a reasonable and intelligent fellow (though one who enjoyed starting flamewars on rec.music.christian a bit too much).

I'm actually wondering if Geir Hongro = Jarl Sigurd, the self-proclaimed MIDI genius/starry eyed troll of rec.music.makers.guitar, rec.music.makers.synth, rec.audio.pro and just about every other music newsgroup.

― Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 3 March 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

who is he?

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 3 March 2003 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

wake up jel, google to find his homepage.

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 3 March 2003 18:09 (twenty-two years ago)

don't be mean to jel, assmonkey

― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 3 March 2003 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

>>Definitely not, I've collaborated with the latter on a few occasions and he's quite a reasonable and intelligent fellow (though one who enjoyed starting flamewars on rec.music.christian a bit too much).<<

I have my own personal issues with the way Blanc does his thing. Its clear he's been hitting the bowl waaaaaaaay too often. Plus, he's basically been reiterating for the last few years now that "I am a genius, I am right" and then follows it up with these huge dissertations that have a lot of big words and ultimately don't mean much. And the fact that he's gone into "shock" mode (like sending hate mail to Chuck's mom after his death) doesn't earn him points either. Its just a comparison (Blanc on, say, alt.music.slayer or alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death = Geir at alt.music.alternative).

In retrospect having gone and looked at Geir's posts, however, he's not nearly as inflammitory as Blanc occasionally is.

>>I'm actually wondering if Geir Hongro = Jarl Sigurd, the self-proclaimed MIDI genius/starry eyed troll of rec.music.makers.guitar, rec.music.makers.synth, rec.audio.pro and just about every other music newsgroup<<

Hmmmm. Could be. God knows he's everywhere. I'm surprised the alt.2600 boys haven't scrounged up his social security number and all that yet, frankly (though they may have while I wasn't looking).

And we really should turn this into a thread about the "all time great" USENET kooks. =)

-
Alan

― Alan Conceicao, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 01:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Apparently, Blanc isn't the only one whose hitting the bowl a bit too much.
Geir Hongro just asserted that Eminem is the most "melodic" rapper.
Ick and double ick.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 01:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Is his sole purpose for existence to irritate ILMers? He seems to say things just to contradict the general consensus. Therefore on the mark s scale he rates a classic.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 01:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Is his sole purpose for existence to irritate ILMers?
Slightly offtopic: Oddly enough, Calum Robert came back, and he was (gasp) polite and relatively reasonable. I guess there can be only one Ubertroll at a time, then, right?
At least until Alison Huston comes back...

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 01:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow, this is like the ILM high school reunion or something. I'd say the guy (whoever he is) is classic because of his persistence. From the looks of it, I'd guess this guy has been waging war against rhythm for years now.

― original bgm, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

His singles list was fantastic, he's a bit of a fundie though. Classic though fer sure. If the 'war against rhythm' was remotely being won (despite any alarmism from the Source) I might feel differently.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 01:28 (twenty-two years ago)

what is this "war on rhythm"? It sounds suspiciously like the "war on terror"...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 01:30 (twenty-two years ago)

>>Apparently, Blanc isn't the only one whose hitting the bowl a bit too much.
Geir Hongro just asserted that Eminem is the most "melodic" rapper.<<

Duh. Of course he's gonna say that. Eminem is white.

>>Is his sole purpose for existence to irritate ILMers?<<

Not ILMers. Everyone. He wants to irritate as many people as he possibly can to get the biggest response possible. He'll never match the infamous "flamewar to end all flamewars", which I believe was in 1994. That spanned something like 8 months and 45 newsgroups. But he'll do his damnedest to make a name for himself. Obviously, he's succeeding to some extent.

-
Alan

― Alan Conceicao, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 01:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Duh. Of course he's gonna say that. Eminem is white.

First and foremost, Eminem is a misogynist and a terrible homophobe. He still is a bit better than most rap acts, though, but that was the case with Dr. Dre and his proteges in the mid 90s too, so I guess this is more thanks to Dr. Dre than thanks to Eminem himself.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 01:38 (twenty-two years ago)

what is this "war on rhythm"? It sounds suspiciously like the "war on terror"...

RHYTHM ALERT -- orange

― original bgm, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 01:45 (twenty-two years ago)

We advise you purchase some duct tape and plastic, just to be safe in the event of a rhythm attack.

― original bgm, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 01:47 (twenty-two years ago)

But after the plastic membrane is tightly secured to your window frames, don't tap it with your fingernail, this might cause an urge to "drum" on the plastic. And if we do that, the terrorists have already won.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 01:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Remeber to constantly change chords or else the terrorists may lock onto your signal.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 02:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I love trolling around in various newsgroups. And a Klaatu fan, what has this world come to?

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 03:06 (twenty-two years ago)

yikes - that is a bit of a smoking gun

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 03:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah, the legendary page.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 03:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Every time I see this thread title I imagine that it's about a band - Geir Hongro would be a great name for a band: perhaps speed metal or post-rock indie.

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 03:37 (twenty-two years ago)

no o. nate because there WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH MELODY!

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 03:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Are we making you feel young again Ned?

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 03:41 (twenty-two years ago)

geir hongro doesn't exactly float off the tongue...

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 03:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe I'm not pronouncing it right - is it "GAIR HON-gro"?

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 03:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir Hongro sounds like an Urban Dance Squad side-project, or a Fishbone b-side

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 03:42 (twenty-two years ago)

herr hongro gotta little more rhythym and melody.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 03:43 (twenty-two years ago)

G'yer Maker!

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 03:45 (twenty-two years ago)

"geir hongro" is actually an alias used by carter usm for a lone rmx in 1991

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 03:46 (twenty-two years ago)

hahaha - I like how his name definitely suggests early 90s though

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 03:47 (twenty-two years ago)

this poor bastard

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 03:47 (twenty-two years ago)

http://home.online.no/~knhongro/Geir/Geir.jpg

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 03:49 (twenty-two years ago)

ILM has found a bouncer!

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 03:51 (twenty-two years ago)

the cutting edge of melody and mentalism

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 03:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Are we making you feel young again Ned?

Fresh, dewy and moist, Mr. Noodles. And I know you wanted to know that.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 03:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Specially the part about Moist.
I hate them, no melody.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 04:01 (twenty-two years ago)

i paraphrase, in agreement, what Ally said a while ago ... Geir looks like Matt Pinfield's demented Norwegian cousin.

― Tad (llamasfur), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 05:05 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.dwightmarshall.com/photos/Pinfield.jpg

― Prude (Prude), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 05:17 (twenty-two years ago)

WOW

― jm (jtm), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 05:26 (twenty-two years ago)

The band should just drop the Geir part and be HONGRO. And they must play power/prog metal.

― original bgm, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 06:32 (twenty-two years ago)

http://home.online.no/~knhongro/Geir/Geir.jpg
http://www.30kfirepay2.co.uk/yourcampagin/rosskemp.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 11:13 (twenty-two years ago)

haha shakey got his lick in first

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 11:23 (twenty-two years ago)

but as usual he is right

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Can we keep him like we did with D00m Patrol? You know sort of an ill tempered pet, like a lap dog.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

But he's not ill-tempered! That's a very poor equation to draw. He is supremely calm.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I noticed, but still he doesn't seem to move, like some shitsu parked on an old ladys gown.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir Hongro would be a great name for a band:
Howsabout Gastr del Hongro?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

http://home.online.no/~knhongro/Geir/Geir.jpg
http://www.bfi.org.uk/news/archive/2001/pictures/2001-11-23-shrek.jpg

― Prude (Prude), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Funniest thing I've read on ILM yet!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

...or a Fishbone b-side

LOL! But it's too short, it would be more like "Geir Hongro's Multitudinous Orrifaces of Dick Slamming Power Capitalism Shtick".

I've been reading WAY too much Dr. Madd Vibe. :D

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Rock history is filled with overrated artists [...] but Beatles are NOT among them.
[ RANT MODE ON ]
Bullshit!
Fact 1: No band, no matter how good, deserves THAT level of idolatry. I'm sick to death of the glazed-eyed cultists! It would not amaze me if some yoyo came up to be, grabbed me by the lepels and barked (in a perfect Dennis Hopper impersonation) "Don't understand, maaaaaan! Paul McCartney Invented GRAVITY!"; It's just pop music, okay, put away your nude photos of Ringo Starr and get a grip on something other than shmendrick. 'Kay?
Fact 2: They've never made an album without at least one genuine stinker ("yellow submarine", "oh blah dee, oh blah duh!"); So the pretense that "all their albums are perfect" is complete bunk.
Fact 3: They spent half their career as milksops and the second half as two pairs of Befuddlemint Twins! So they never achieved either the rawk grit of a good blues based act, nor the clarity of a finely tuned Classical quartet. So the pretense that they were the perfect balance of rock/pop/classical is bunk.

Now, on the plus side, I will admit the following:
Counterfact 1: They did innovate/popularize alot of nifty ideas BUT they didn't invent everything they get credit for. Concept Albums, foreign instruments and close harmony singing existed long before the Beatles.
Counterfact 2: It would the rantings of a madman to not admit They We're the Most Popular Band Evah. BUT this does not mean they are the BEST band. Especially in genres they aren't masters of. Their stabs at folk or country do not surpass the specialist masters (ie. "Rocky Raccoon" is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT a better Country Choon than Johnny Cash's "Ring of Fire". In fact, it's a borderline irritating tune thats not even a match for "A Girl Named Sue"); So any claims that they are the BEST BAND EVAH overlooks the fact that to be the best BAND they have to be better than all bands in EVERY GENRE. Face it, they aren't better metalheads than GnR, Def Leppard, Metallica or Slayer. They aren't a better Jazz quartet either. And their combined funk doesn't even equal the Funk Level of one of P-Funk's roadies.
GRRRRRAAAAGRGGGHHH!
(pant pant pant pant pant....)
[ RANT MODE OFF ]

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Easy there, boy!

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)

b-b-but "Yellow Submarine" is grate!

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 22:21 (twenty-two years ago)

(pant pant pant pant pant...)
okay...I'm okay...it just (pant) gets on my last (pant) fucking nerve ending.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 22:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh I know, and you're such a good little boy! Yesh you are.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 22:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Can I have a cookie?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

donuts for ALL!

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 22:31 (twenty-two years ago)

donut bitch to thread!

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)

mmmmmm....donuts....

Or maybe not. It was the toffee popcorn I just ate that gave me the psycho-carbo energy to write that rant.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)

But he's not ill-tempered! That's a very poor equation to draw. He is supremely calm.

Just you wait until I consult my good friend Usama Bin Laden. :-)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 02:14 (twenty-two years ago)

haha people died!

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 02:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Hm... Perhaps he's friends with Rolci?

― Prude (Prude), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 03:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Whose this Usama guy, I dont think he posted on A.M.A?

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 03:28 (twenty-two years ago)

No offense Geir, but until a couple days ago I thought you were an urban legend. Some practical joker's idea of the ultimate rockist.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 05:34 (twenty-two years ago)

considering how he gives more love to peter gabriel over stephin merritt his 'I'm all about melodies' stance is fraudulence and whitewash

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 07:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean if his 'melody - yes, rhythm - no' thing was for real, then you could agree with it or disagree with it whatever, but he clearly hasn't really thought it out - it's like he happened to like a bunch of bands already (genesis, xtc) and then tried to pretend there was some aesthetic guiding his choices when really they're more arbitrary then he'd like to admit, as he clearly doesn't really adhere to the aesthetic he puts forth, just pretends to.

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 07:35 (twenty-two years ago)

it's a shame though as someone actually representing a 'melodies - yes, rhythm - no' outlook would really have something to add to ILM, but this guy just spits out soundbites. oh well.

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 07:37 (twenty-two years ago)

plus clearly he's a bit of a social retard

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 07:40 (twenty-two years ago)

blount, the problem with meritt is he doesn't use enough chords, see? so his melodies are simple rather than harmonic.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 09:00 (twenty-two years ago)

someone with an adamant claim in melodies would want purity though - plato's wall, bushmiller's rocks, army-navy the 'best' college rivalry becuz its the purest, etc., etc.; hongro betrays true melodicists when he favors genesis over abba, and obv. gabriel over merritt. he tries to have his cake and eat it too.

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 10:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Whoever said that melodies were supposed to be simple?

I am first and foremost defending the European classical musical traditions, and those popular musicians that help keep them alive, and those were not simple.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 11:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Just you wait until I consult my good friend Usama Bin Laden. :-)
Yeahh, he's a jerkwad, but his sister -- Ursula Bin Laden -- wow! What a hottie bling bling babe. Even with the beard, she's Babe-raham Lincoln.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 13:27 (twenty-two years ago)

custos means "thanks to the beard" but is frightened of the lineaments of his own desire

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 13:28 (twenty-two years ago)

which is cool obv

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 13:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Welll, you never see those Arabian babes without the veil, right?
THATS what their hiding...they've got getter mustaches and beards than their men!

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir hongro.

anagram:

Oh negro rig.

― Jess Hill (jesshill), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

honor Greig

― jm (jtm), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 23:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Gorge Rhino!

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 23:22 (twenty-two years ago)

honor Greig

That would be "Honor Grieg", only Grieg was actually among the less melodic composer, with an annoying fondness for frygian tonality...

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Rig her goon

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 23:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I would like to welcome Geir to the world of ILX, and apologise for all the people who are being mean to our new friend.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I would like to welcome Geir to the world of ILX, and apologise for all the people who are being mean to our new friend.

That's OK. As stated earlier (in this thread, which started half a year prior to my joining ILX :-) ) I have already put my friend Bin Laden on the case. :-)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 23:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Homegro = the new connor?

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 6 March 2003 01:24 (twenty-two years ago)

what is the big deal with Sirrah Hongro anyway? is he some kind of internet personality or something?

why is his having opinions about music and being prepared to argue them in a polite and friendly fashion seen by some as a mark of mentalism?

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

You have never tried arguing with him, I see.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I never argue with people.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 6 March 2003 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)

His opinions about music is exactly what makes ppl accuse him of mentalism, DV, as they are stunningly unorthodox. Then again, anyone with standard ILM anti-rockist views would be seen as a bit of a mentalist in many circles, too.

I, too, think that the Geir-mocking happening around here is getting mighty tiresome, much as he might seem to invite it; it's also quickly gone from good-natured "You Are Fucking Insane" style mockery to rather tasteless personal insults, which is doubly unfortunate.

I've never tried arguing with Geir either, because *obviously* that's hopeless- he's set up this extremley strict system that seems to work for him and he won't budge on it no matter what you say, so why bother? (this last paragraph could basically be summed up as "Tom was OTM"

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 7 March 2003 00:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Then again, anyone with standard ILM anti-rockist views would be seen as a bit of a mentalist in many circles, too.

Hey, I am not a rockist, I am a popist! :-)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 7 March 2003 00:15 (twenty-two years ago)

that part of the post had nothing to do with any sort of rockisms/popisms on *your* part, it was just about how ILM attitude in general would fit in with other types of listening groups.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 7 March 2003 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)

he's set up this extremley strict system that seems to work for him and he won't budge on it no matter what you say, so why bother

This is true, and it's cool. What is even cooler is that the guy's methodology indicates that the Supernaturals and Dodgy are the greatest artists of the 20th century. The whole of ILM is trumped in wilful contrariness, and therefore made redundant.

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Friday, 7 March 2003 01:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Blount: good argument about Merritt.

― the pinefox, Friday, 7 March 2003 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

What about Gondola Bob?

Gondola Bob is still posting in rec.music.progressive.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 7 March 2003 13:51 (twenty-two years ago)

[Geir Hongro is] honor Grieg

Decent anagram.

Tom was OTM

Poor anagram.

;)

― OleM, Friday, 7 March 2003 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh I don't know I rather like it.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 7 March 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Its been said before but Geir Hongro would make a pretty fine band name.

― tigerclawskank, Friday, 7 March 2003 17:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Well its taken him four days to climb half way up the monthly statscock.
Inconceivable!

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Sunday, 9 March 2003 04:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I don't know if this is a boast or something to be ashamed of, but for awhile, I was Active User #21 while he was stranded at Active User #22.
The odd thing is until Gier Showed up, I either languished at the bottom of the chart (or around #45) or didn't even make it on the chart at all.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 9 March 2003 06:40 (twenty-two years ago)

so what you're saying is that geir made you post more?!

final proof that geir is more dud than evah ;-)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 9 March 2003 12:12 (twenty-two years ago)

so what you're saying is that geir made you post more?!
Actually, having the flu and being snowed in meant more ILM-time, but posting fruitless rebuttals to the Hangnail the Hongrorible's mad rattlings accounts for and extra 10% of that.
...final proof that geir is more dud than evah ;-)
b-b-but does that mean you don't like when I post?! *WAAAAAAAH* I'm now filled with angst and must listen to a Sebadoh record and weep along with Lou Barlow!

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:26 (twenty-two years ago)

New Thread

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh I don't know I rather like it.

I didn't mean it isn't usually apt, mind.

― OleM (OleM), Sunday, 9 March 2003 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Rock history is filled with overrated artists
(Elvis Presley, Little Richard, Animals, Stones, Who, Led
Zeppelin, Doors, Velvet Underground, James Brown, Sly Stone, any
rap, any early house

I am first and foremost defending the European classical musical traditions, and those popular musicians that help keep them alive, and those were not simp

I might be a little late to this fair, but Mr Hongro Such a theoretical mindset might be good for you and those of your ilk. But more civilized music fans who have a broader more advanced concept of musical theory as well as an appreciation for the broad range of feeling and intellect that comprise the constructs to make great music, who dont posess an ear of tin and dont throw catch phrases such as "defending the European classical musical traditions," out of some desperate, dimwittedly nationalist and childishly freudian need to assert a cultural superiority that only exists in the blackened, grimy, cobweb laden windmills of your mind....well let's just say that we prefer more cultivated modes of thought than the primitive analysis you seem to prefer.

― robert lashley (brotherman), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

"why does everyone care so much about what Geir thinks?" (posted on another thread)

i like music which isn't necessarily melodic (as well as melodic music), so i'm always interested to see what overlap i have with someone who likes ONLY melodic music. hard to know where geir the man ends and his internet persona begins, but he's cool all the same.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

But the whole "melodic" thing is patent nonsense. He's an idiot; it's like reaffirming your tastes by talking to someone in a coma.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 22:41 (twenty-two years ago)

will a simple "he's funny" suffice then?

i suppose what i meant was: i like to see which of my loves and hates he enjoys, and how he ties his own love and hate to his "MELODY+Harmony=good, anything else=bad" outlook, however nonsensical or inconsistent that outlook can appear at times.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I totally disagree with Geir's "aesthetic" but I like some of those records he likes..."Notorious Byrd Brothers," who wouldn't like that? Genesis, well, I frankly don't understand how anyone over the age of 19 would want to listen to that, it seems so obviously pseudo to me. But that's just me, my older brother has friends who are 48 years old and are still groovin' to "Yes Album" and Emerson, Lake and Palmer, that's what they're comfortable with, more power to them.

He's classic.

― Jess Hill (jesshill), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it's pretty funny how he is willing to accept music without melody if its production and stereo effects is fancy enough (e.g. Prodigy, Orbital), but still wants everyone else to listen to melodic music only.

― man, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 23:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I wouldn't call "In Sides" unmelodic. Melodically different, yes, and highly harmonically dissonant, but I do hear melodies there.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 23:47 (twenty-two years ago)

How long does this Geir person usually stay on newsgroups/boards for? Does he leave after a few weeks or does he stick around interminably?

― Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 23:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Until everyone goes somewhere else without him noticing:)

― man, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Using The Prodigy and Orbital as examples of unmelodic music strikes me as being deeply odd.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 23:59 (twenty-two years ago)

every second thread on ILM seems now to be either by Mr Hongro, or to mention him in the title.

for this alone, classic.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 13 March 2003 00:24 (twenty-two years ago)

FORUM MODERATOR: delete ILM and all backups. format the drive and blow up the server. Please.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 13 March 2003 00:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Why not just log off for a little while?:)

― man, Thursday, 13 March 2003 00:30 (twenty-two years ago)

If Geir just likes melody and harmony, why isn't is favorite music Gregorian chant. How come he can stand any sort of syncopated music. Isn't it too rhythmically complex?

― Amarga (Amarga), Thursday, 13 March 2003 04:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree with Geir, You cannot have too much Ms Melody

― girl scout heroin, Thursday, 13 March 2003 04:44 (twenty-two years ago)

If Geir just likes melody and harmony, why isn't is favorite music Gregorian chant.

For your information: Gregorian chant usually had no harmony, only melody.

How come he can stand any sort of syncopated music.

I have never said I dislike rhythm, just that melody and harmony should always be there and should always be in tne forefront as the most important elements in the music.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 13 March 2003 11:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm with Amateurist: "But the whole "melodic" thing is patent nonsense. He's an idiot; it's like reaffirming your tastes by talking to someone in a coma."

The guy comes across like the Blob.

― Roger Fascist (Roger Fascist), Thursday, 13 March 2003 12:04 (twenty-two years ago)

''every second thread on ILM seems now to be either by Mr Hongro, or to mention him in the title.''

its funny bcz he is so fucking dull as well.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 13 March 2003 12:31 (twenty-two years ago)

if its not healthy to make unconstructive, irrelevant retorts to Geir's irritatingly assumptive (and i feel, equally unconstructive and irrelevant) comments, then shouldnt Geir be discouraged from making such comments in the first place?

i suppose its really no worse than the way other posters act so authoriative about things as if to suggest they are right and everyone else is wrong...and i'm as guilty of that as anyone else i guess - only i try to avoid it by stressing 'i felt that' or 'in my opinion' because just saying 'x is better than y' and not even offering real explanations why (saying cos x has melody and y doesnt thus better is not a satisfactory explanation) is boring, unconstructive and is dragging ILM somewhat i feel.

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 13 March 2003 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

But I AM RIGHT and everyone else is wrong.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 13 March 2003 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)

we all think that sometimes, and thats why the world is the way it is

all together now "loooooove makes the world go rooooooooooound..."

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 13 March 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Bah. Love is for the WEAK. I declare Fatwa on the Infidel, stevem!

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 13 March 2003 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

"crazy...hey, but that's how it goes..."

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 13 March 2003 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

raci..."eurocentrist" dud. I'm gonna stop talking about good Good Charlotte, Limp Bizkit are or how bad "Reveal" is, lest I come off like this monotonous prick.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:05 (twenty-two years ago)

If you guys will just stop talking about how bad Oasis, Coldplay and Travis are, then chances are you won't get me started either.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:09 (twenty-two years ago)

cryptofacist threadhijacking egomaniac

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir can eat a...oh, hey there! Didn't see you there, Geir. Still, dud-ola.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:10 (twenty-two years ago)

uh, where was anyone talking about Travis or Oasis or Coldplay on the Class Pt 2 thread?

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:11 (twenty-two years ago)

That thread was about how everybody who is into music like Travis and Coldplay (that is, song oriented indie music played by white males) is supposedly rascist just because they don't like disco and other genres that are similar to disco.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:12 (twenty-two years ago)

no it wasn't - read the thread and link me to specific posts re: travis or coldplay.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir is in fine form today; the contradictions in his silly theories are revealing themselves more plainly than usual and he's resorting to all kinds of desperate sophistry in an attempt to avoid head-explosion.

HStencil, I think it's OK to tell Geir to eat a big _____ even in his presence, given his nonsense of late.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I've often wanted to say that myself.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:13 (twenty-two years ago)

That thread is about indie. Indie=Travis & Coldplay (among others)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:14 (twenty-two years ago)

no it doesn't - read the thread and post specific references to travis, coldplay, oasis. indie (indie - the definition of which is argued on the thread - = drag city, matador, touch & go).

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Indie is indie. And just the idea that refusing to listen do disco (because disco it is) is rascist is just completely absurd.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:21 (twenty-two years ago)

This is getting tiresome in the extreme.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:23 (twenty-two years ago)

It is obvious that Geir is just a European musician who can't swing, and must justify this aesthetically.

(possible counterattack: my theoretical knowledge of harmony sucks, so I was drawn to music with a strong rhythmic element. true, except um, jazz is some of the most advanced music harmonically that's out there)

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:26 (twenty-two years ago)

but that wasn't what the thread was about - how bout this you give me a brief synopsis of the different arguments put forth on that thread (and what 'indie' means according to that thread - lists artists, records) up to the time you hijacked it and I might believe you actually glanced at the thing before you decided to make it (like everything else) about YOU YOU YOU and your standard white aesthetic resistance trope. Does the fact that you post the same posts on completely different and unrelated threads maybe suggest to you that you just might be a bore? How is it anything but rude and egocentric? How does it contribute to the discourse at hand in any fashion (other than making the discourse at hand about the melodofuhrer Geir Hongro of the Great White North)?

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:27 (twenty-two years ago)

The point here is that this rascist argument is being used again and again by talentless (mainly white) fans with no knowledge of true music at all, to put down people who do actually have musical skills that they, personally, don't understand.

In the late 70s, people who appreciated better and more complex music would be written off as "old", "Irrelevant" or whatever the punks said. Today the rascist argument has replaced that one.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir I don't like ripping on someone like this, since all I think all opinions are important. They derive from one's experience, emotional reactions and what one desires from music. Your opinions would be more valuable if you used more than a single criteria to judge music, if there was a modicum of mystery to how you value things. Instead, you implies that the amount of complexity in melody and the lack of rhythmic focus is all the matters.

Anyone who can tell if there is a complex melody on a song or loud instruments never needs to hear what you have to say ever again. Cuz you're never going to say "that lyric really gets to me" or "it makes me want to dance" or "I love the way he says 'culture'" or draw anything to our attention aside from the extremely obvious. You have no ability to value any opinion aside from your own, or at least have no desire to express that appreciation. You're acting like a slide rule.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:38 (twenty-two years ago)

forgive my typos. I've been listening to Eric B. & Rakim lately.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:42 (twenty-two years ago)

haha - I got the Geirbot in Alex in NYC 'listen junior' mode!

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

how bout this Geirbot SS2000 - when you actually don't dodge someone's questions I'll take you seriously (or at least as seriously as my Atari 2600) 'kay?

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

forgive my typos. I've been listening to Eric B. & Rakim lately.

In Latin they call this a non sequitor.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

no, that rhythmic stuf fucks with your ability to rite in the Kween's english. Trus mee.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

when you actually don't dodge someone's questions I'll take you seriously (or at least as seriously as my Atari 2600) 'kay?

When I don't answer your questions, it is because they are based on completely pathetic premises.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)

actually they call it a non sequitur

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:48 (twenty-two years ago)

[/pedantry]

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I know whutcha sayin' Ant'ny. Ev'ry time I listen to that bump-de-bum-bump, all my ability to appreciate formal structure flies right out the window, and I'm given over to my baser instincts. It's like I become an animal. Like a gorilla or somethin'.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:50 (twenty-two years ago)

So, with all the beautiful and sometimes very complex melodies and harmonies in jazz, Geir, do you completely disavow that music?

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Damn you, Amateurist! I'll get you next time!

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I commented on jazz in another thread. I dislike the improvisation and lack of obvious precomposed melodies in jazz. On the other hand, I love the complex harmonies in jazz.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess I can't really fault someone for not enjoying the improvisation, even though it encompasses a lot of what I find exciting about music, but there are so many classic "obviously precomposed" melodies in jazz. Donna Lee or Anthropology for example, or all of Wayne Shorter's tunes.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Wayne Shorter is a good example. "Heavy Weather" is a great album

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I prefer his acoustic stuff though, Speak No Evil is esp. brilliant.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 01:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Geirbot SS2000 - asking you whether your black friends really just listen to the music you say they listen to is based on a pathetic premise how? (are you saying your dodges are prinicipled now?)

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 01:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I am not basing this on "my black friends" anyway (rather the American R&B charts), so that question is impossible to answer.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 08:26 (twenty-two years ago)

''When I don't answer your questions, it is because they are based on completely pathetic premises.''

say what they are and arg abt these premises but you won't bcz its far easier to actually keep talking abt your 'theories'.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 11:20 (twenty-two years ago)

but anyway fuck this. I'll just post the lyrics to wire's 'Mannequin':

''You're a waste of space
No natural grace
You're so bloody thin
You don't even begin

To interest me, not even curiosity
It's not animosity, it's just you don't interest me

You're an energy void
A black hole to avoid
No style no heart
You don't even start''

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 11:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir many of the people who are arguing with you happen to be very talented. speking for myself and myself only, i make my living as a music writer and try my best to be a good one, covering a wide range of different styles. I understand melody, harmony and chord structures as well as you but I also understand many other things such as rhythm and emotion. You have just shown yourself up to be not only hopelessy blinkered and ethically suspect, but also as an arrogant and obnoxious fuckwit...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 12:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I am not basing this on "my black friends" anyway (rather the American R&B charts), so that question is impossible to answer.

Okay Geir do you understand that the R&B charts are the charts FOR the music you dislike, and not FOR black people per se? In other words, it would be like asking why nobody bought fiction books based on the NY Times bestseller list for *nonfiction* -- get it?

And finally, you stepped in a stupid fucking field of landmines by starting a thread on race in which you argued that race shouldn't be looked at and simultaneously made absurd assumptions (like R&B chart = sample of black people's listening rather than of people who listen to R&B's listening) premised on racial differences.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 12:52 (twenty-two years ago)

heh, I think the first thing on pt II that he said was that race has nothing to do with music (just like sex on another one as well)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 12:54 (twenty-two years ago)

geir hongro = norwegian dood

-- gygax! (gygax0...), April 2nd, 2003.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 12:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Geir genuinely thinks that Class Part 2 talked about the implicit racism of radio-friendly British pop-rock bands. Maybe the term "indie" is confusing because it means something different in Europe (esp. Britain) than it does in America. But Geir, the topic mostly centered on American Indie Rock, and its divorce from popular culture at large (which, in America, is very saturated with "black" elements). Maybe a few people were making accusations that American Indie Rock *suffered* from not incorporating these elements. But a lot of us were just trying to analyze the cultural phenomenon. Your comments weren't quite appropriate because you labored under false assumptions (see above) and your unfamiliarity with a) American indie rock and b) African-American culture make you sorta unqualified to critique our points. It'd be like if you started a thread on Norwegian musical tastes: I might be curious about the topic, but I wouldn't deign to argue about it, since I know very little about it (although that Norwegian Top 40 was very amusing). See what I mean?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

James Blount is the centerfielder for the Oakland Athletics
James Blount is the centerfielder for the Oakland Athletics
James Blount is the centerfielder for the Oakland Athletics
James Blount really knows how to fry an egg
James Blount is the fifth Monkee
James Blount has an OPS of .837
James Blount wakes up with a pile of twenty dollars bills at his feet every morning
James Blount prefers Manhattan to New England Clam Chowder

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

wasn't he already warned about this on another thread?

― H (Heruy), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

(you're going to need a bigger boat. - mod)

― Trolling along, Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)

(I've gotta be here all day, cal. - mod)

― Trolling along, Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

*pump*

― Mister Blobby, Thursday, 24 April 2003 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, it's been said about every other thread but c'mon, this thread is SO obviously troll.

Geir = funny (If unintentionally)

Geir hate = lame

― David Allen, Thursday, 24 April 2003 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay Geir do you understand that the R&B charts are the charts FOR the music you dislike, and not FOR black people per se?

They are based on certain record stores, that have mainly a black audience.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 24 April 2003 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah yes, black record stores like Columbia House, Amazon.com, Best Buy, and Tower.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 25 April 2003 02:21 (twenty-two years ago)

*chokes and laffs*

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 25 April 2003 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir, I asked this in a thread recently but it got lost in the shuffle: What do you think about Cuban music?

― buttch (Oops), Friday, 25 April 2003 04:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't really know enough about Cuban music to have an opinion (never saw that movie..).
Usually, Latin American music is able to combine rhythm and melody in a great way.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 25 April 2003 08:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Humility from Geir--astonishing. If only he had exhibited this trait on the country thread, I wouldn't have got my blood pressure up.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir, for starters you should get the Buena Vista Social Club album. It's got most of the Cuban greats on it, at times all on one track. There are fully compose, ORIGINAL songs: I think you might actually like it. :-)

― buttch (Oops), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...

Like a supernova, he appeared before us, luminous and awesome, and then just as quickly he disappeared.

― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I miss Geir

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

a CHAMPAGNE supernova

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

he's posted like once or twice since he was disappeared by the rhythm nation. I keep hoping (heh, fearing) it'll be more than a cameo, but nothing yet.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Like a supernova, he appeared before us, luminous and awesome, and then just as quickly he disappeared.
...and came close to annihilating everything around him...

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

this struck me as geir-esque albeit even more trolly and unapprised.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think Geir was ever trolly.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

Whats A.M.A? And what did Geir do in 1995? (height of Britpop wasnt it?)

― Rickshawman, Friday, 29 August 2003 20:01 (twenty-two years ago)

alt.music.alternative

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 29 August 2003 20:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Usually, Latin American music is able to combine rhythm and melody in a great way.

This is sensible enough.

― Al Andalous (Al Andalous), Friday, 29 August 2003 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)

i remember an AMA argument, where someone pointed out that david gilmour's guitar playing in "shine on, you crazy diamond" was largely blues-based -- this was after geir had said something about pink floyd's alleged "european" melodies and that they worked in the "european classical" tradition or something like that. gilmour's guitar playing on "SOYCD" was brought up to counter that assertion, and most AMA'ers agreed. except geir, who kept sputtering on and on not only about pink floyd's adherence to "european" musical forms but that gilmour's guitar playing on "SOYCD" was also "european."

i didn't know what to make of geir's "arguments" then -- i still don't five years later, to be honest with you.

― Tad (llamasfur), Friday, 29 August 2003 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I like having Geir back. He never was a troll, merely, um.. opinionated. But he's one of those folks who, you know, makes you appreciate your own views more by disagreeing with them.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Saturday, 30 August 2003 07:16 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm confident enough in my tastes without needing a geir as a foil. i suspect this is true of many other ilm posters.

― amateurist (amateurist), Saturday, 30 August 2003 07:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually no, Amateurist, how about you stop pathetically badgering a guy who does no harm to anyone and leave it be?

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 30 August 2003 07:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm nineteen years old with a mouth full of gold.

― d k (d k), Saturday, 30 August 2003 08:26 (twenty-two years ago)

''i'm confident enough in my tastes without needing a geir as a foil.''

good for you. like Geir you also have all the anwers.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 30 August 2003 10:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Julio - let's have it, what's your problem with Amateurist? You seem to have been following him round board picking up little niggles and copy-pasting them then dismissing them. It's kinda bullying, even if Ama is a strong and intelligent and possibly-not-bothered contestant.

(I don't know if I should be openly asking for this to be aired ["oh no! 900 new answers by morning!! OH NO!!!"] but I think it's healthy to have it out instead of all these asides and snidey glances.)

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 30 August 2003 10:10 (twenty-two years ago)

the damn outbursts for one.

I mean, i like him a lot and sorry for picking but what the hell is it with that comment (and most of the anti-geir stuff by some of the other posters, I mean he has only come back yesterday and ppl are already going bonkers over that).

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 30 August 2003 10:22 (twenty-two years ago)

OK apologies to amt. I should ignore that stuff too.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 30 August 2003 10:27 (twenty-two years ago)

geir is daft as a brush, but i'm pleased to have him back.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 30 August 2003 19:09 (twenty-two years ago)

We miss Geir when he's gone, and then after a few repetitions of the "this isn't music because it's not melodic" meme the charm begins to wear off.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 30 August 2003 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

HG is classic.
As are the Beatles ;-)

― mei (mei), Sunday, 31 August 2003 08:37 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...

so classic it hurts

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 22 November 2003 01:35 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

2 years...

― elwisty (elwisty), Sunday, 17 April 2005 00:29 (twenty years ago)

Waves of 1995 nostalgia wash over me.
Dogme 95? Lars von Trier? Dancer in the Dark? How Scandinavian of me!

― Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 17 April 2005 00:35 (twenty years ago)

Geir is a goddamn genius.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Sunday, 17 April 2005 01:13 (twenty years ago)

It's a hongro, hongro world.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 17 April 2005 10:14 (twenty years ago)

Classic. I disagree with most of what Geir says, but I will defend to the death his right to say it.

― Failin Huxley (noodle vague), Sunday, 17 April 2005 12:58 (twenty years ago)

Well, maybe not to the death.

― Failin Huxley (noodle vague), Sunday, 17 April 2005 12:58 (twenty years ago)

Classic! :)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 17 April 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

I will defend to Geir's death his right to say what he says.

― Masked Gazza, Sunday, 17 April 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

WAS Classic, because it's good to have a viewpoint which is so much at odds with whatever passes for a consensus round here. Fly in the ointment and all that. Also Classic for a) good taste in Italo-disco, b) "Talking To A Computer", c) never, EVER, resorting to rudeness to make his points.

NOW, sorry to say, veering towards Dud, because I keep reading the exact same points being made over and over again, in thread after thread after thread. Which wouldn't bug me, except that sometimes potentially new and interesting threads get sidetracked and shunted back into the same old arguments.

Sorry Geir, nothing personal.

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Sunday, 17 April 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

Mike, people have been complaining to Geir about that for what, 10 years now?

― The Ghost of deX! (Dan Perry), Sunday, 17 April 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

10 years?! So this discussion has been going on somewhere before ILM started off?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 17 April 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

Tuomas: This thread was started about half a year before I made my first post on ILM :-)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 17 April 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

A look back in time...

(with special appearances by NED RAGGETT, NATE PATRIN and DAN PERRY as "Lord of deXness")

(Matt Parisi used to post here, didn't he?)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 17 April 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

I was trying to say "Classic" but he forces me to say "Dud"

― Ken L (Ken L), Sunday, 17 April 2005 22:52 (twenty years ago)

sorry dan i just saw the name 'andy garcia' on an internet message board and laffed my arse off

― Michael B, Sunday, 17 April 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

Geir Hongro paused from a brief respite of crack-smoking and listening =

to Yes to write:

Mr. Patrin, I salute you across a decade.

(Is this as good a time as any to say that I still feel like I'm in my late teens/early twenties in many ways? It's remarkably freeing!)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 17 April 2005 23:16 (twenty years ago)

ten months pass...

My Top 400 Albums Of All Time
A list by GeirH
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/GeirH/my_top_400_albums_of_all_time

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 10 March 2006 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

THIS LIST IS IMPURE:

98. Stevie Wonder

131. Stevie Wonder

260. Donna Summer

362. Bob Marley
365. Michael Jackson
372. Stevie Wonder
378. Herbie Hancock
388. Bob Marley
396. Prince

― Dr. Gene Scott (shinybeast), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

You can add Ocean Colour Scene (they have a black drummer)

It seems all those great albums by Earth Wind & Fire, Specials and UB40 (plus numerous others by Prince) are only in my annual Top 40 lists.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

yes, so it seems

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

166. THEY HAVE A BLACK DRUMMER

― Dr. Gene Scott (shinybeast), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

You missed:

85. Stevie Wonder - Fulfillingness' First Finale

― Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...

classic! for sticking to his guns

― lf (lfam), Thursday, 6 July 2006 03:04 (nineteen years ago)

ten months pass...

http://profile.ak.facebook.com/profile5/908/55/s566800737_3297.jpg

REVEALED AT LAST

― Just got offed, Saturday, 2 June 2007 20:24 (eighteen years ago)

that's his 'don't fuck with Genesis' face

― Just got offed, Saturday, 2 June 2007 20:24 (eighteen years ago)

huh.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 2 June 2007 20:42 (eighteen years ago)

LJ you realize everyone already knows what Geir looks like right?

― Curt1s Stephens, Saturday, 2 June 2007 21:15 (eighteen years ago)

and that in fact there are photos of him ON THIS THREAD already?

― Curt1s Stephens, Saturday, 2 June 2007 21:16 (eighteen years ago)

yeah well REVEALED AT LAST ON FACEBOOK :-P

it was quite an expressive photo, i thought it worthy of further study. he looks fierce! in quite a cool way!

― Just got offed, Saturday, 2 June 2007 21:17 (eighteen years ago)

He looks like he might buster bloodvessel

― Herman G. Neuname, Saturday, 2 June 2007 21:38 (eighteen years ago)

http://profile.ak.facebook.com/profile5/908/55/s566800737_3297.jpg
http://www.freshhiphopnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/02/Marion-Suge-Knight-Photograph-C12146954.jpeg

― blueski, Saturday, 2 June 2007 21:39 (eighteen years ago)

omg

― Just got offed, Saturday, 2 June 2007 21:41 (eighteen years ago)

Hongroe/Oh, Suge-Geir, Suge-Geir

― latebloomer, Saturday, 2 June 2007 21:46 (eighteen years ago)

Hmmm. That means "Suck-Geir" in Norwegian. No, thank you ;)

― Geir Hongro, Saturday, 2 June 2007 21:53 (eighteen years ago)

And, yes, there were photos of me on this thread. Until I erased my old homepage.

― Geir Hongro, Saturday, 2 June 2007 21:54 (eighteen years ago)

I knew I should've imageshacked the flip-off portrait then.

― Pleasant Plains, Saturday, 2 June 2007 23:40 (eighteen years ago)

okay, now i will not argue with geir any longer.

― the table is the table, Sunday, 3 June 2007 01:14 (eighteen years ago)

saying it out loud is the first step in the program. before the many relapses etc.

geir i thought you were into track and field. wtf happened?

― Frogman Henry, Sunday, 3 June 2007 02:50 (eighteen years ago)

also

http://www.houseofhorrors.com/butterball.JPG

― Frogman Henry, Sunday, 3 June 2007 03:00 (eighteen years ago)

Hongraiser

― marmotwolof, Sunday, 3 June 2007 03:07 (eighteen years ago)

I have to post this again, don't I? Yes. I do.

http://www.memorygongs.com/come_to_hongro.jpg

― Trayce, Sunday, 3 June 2007 03:34 (eighteen years ago)

Starring Geir Hongro as The White Biggie Smalls

― King Boy Pato, Sunday, 3 June 2007 09:37 (eighteen years ago)

BIG GEIR aka the melodydriver

― The Reverend, Sunday, 3 June 2007 11:00 (eighteen years ago)

aka the insanedriver yo

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Sunday, 3 June 2007 11:27 (eighteen years ago)

Trayce: That pic goes straight into my Facebook images archive. Great ;)

― Geir Hongro, Sunday, 3 June 2007 17:42 (eighteen years ago)

Glad you like it! :)

― Trayce, Sunday, 3 June 2007 22:14 (eighteen years ago)

I have a few hongroe songs on the itunes and they're welcomed when they shuffle by.

― forksclovetofu, Sunday, 3 June 2007 22:25 (eighteen years ago)

Classic or dud? This should be a poll, surely.

― Billy Dods, Sunday, 3 June 2007 23:16 (eighteen years ago)

dude looks like matt pinfield

― artdamages, Monday, 4 June 2007 01:22 (eighteen years ago)

http://mattpinfield.com/mp.jpg

― artdamages, Monday, 4 June 2007 01:24 (eighteen years ago)

I have a few hongroe songs on the itunes and they're welcomed when they shuffle by.

otm

― Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 4 June 2007 01:38 (eighteen years ago)

Geir looks like Butterbean.

― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 4 June 2007 02:37 (eighteen years ago)

That Google groups link is very eye-opening. You guys have seriously been doing this for that long???

― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 4 June 2007 02:39 (eighteen years ago)

Let us tell you tales of the olden times.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 June 2007 02:52 (eighteen years ago)

Classic and dud. okthxbye

― Mark G, Monday, 4 June 2007 10:23 (eighteen years ago)

Melody wise - okey.
Rhythmically - monotonous.

― t**t, Monday, 4 June 2007 11:39 (eighteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

i bet Geir will highly rate this English mainstream melodic pop rock: Air Traffic

Air Traffic
http://www.myspace.com/airtraffic

the vocalist has that ghastly whiney Chris Martin vibe to his vocal style and the music is a blatant Coldplay carbon copy.

Why have EMI signed Coldplay Mark 2?

How high will Air Traffic be on Geir's Top 40 albums of 2007 by the end of year? will they knock Travis off the top slot?

http://rateyourmusic.com/list/GeirH/my_top_albums_of_2007__so_far_

― djmartian, Thursday, 28 June 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

Air Traffic kept finishing top of our CUR (student radio) chart last term despite being MOR shite. It's what the people want, DJ, and it's what they're getting. Sad but true.

― Just got offed, Thursday, 28 June 2007 16:30 (eighteen years ago)

...but they are so bland and boring ! another blando band to sell to Travis, Coldplay, Aqualung fans

― djmartian, Thursday, 28 June 2007 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

I KNOW they're boring but people are boring! Not everyone's going to listen to the good stuff; they don't have the concentration or open-mindedness to appreciate sophistication and originality! Take 'My Computer', for instance, who released 'No CV', a staggeringly good record, in 2005, sold about 50 copies (or whatever), and now no longer exist. I mention them because I know for a fact that Geir himself actually likes that album. Good on him!

― Just got offed, Thursday, 28 June 2007 16:37 (eighteen years ago)

Ok, it's quite clear. We need to kill all students.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 28 June 2007 16:54 (eighteen years ago)

He has an extremely coherent, and well-defined point-of-view which appears to be pretty much unshakeable. I never agree with anything he says, but he's consistent and no matter how much flack he takes, never resorts to personal attacks or profanity. While I think he could do with a black friend or two, I'm actually going to go with Classic. He's exactly the kind of guy a good board needs. The fact that he got his own thread probably already indicates that anyway.

― j-rock, Thursday, 28 June 2007 17:43 (eighteen years ago)

Another Coldplay/Travis clone? Well, if they're good (that is, good tunes), I will probably like them :)

― Geir Hongro, Saturday, 30 June 2007 10:35 (eighteen years ago)

They sound more like Air than like Coldplay IMO. Completely OK, but to get into my Top 40 they need to be a bit more than a Myspace band. :)

― Geir Hongro, Saturday, 30 June 2007 11:07 (eighteen years ago)

More like Athlete, I mean

― Geir Hongro, Saturday, 30 June 2007 11:07 (eighteen years ago)

Athlete are terrible.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Saturday, 30 June 2007 11:17 (eighteen years ago)

so, are you Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy.

― 597, Saturday, 30 June 2007 13:46 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

REVIVE

― stephen, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 23:29 (seventeen years ago)

ban him already

― abanana, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 23:30 (seventeen years ago)

i agree with Geir on, uh... XTC, but not on their best era........ Cupid & Psyche 85.............. the Sex Pistols sucking ass..... okay i don't know what else. fuck.

― stephen, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 00:33 (seventeen years ago)

I agree with Geir a lot. Classic.

― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 02:34 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

http://98plus.com/emoticons/bunny.gif

― access flap (omar little), Thursday, 22 October 2009 01:23 (fifteen years ago)

Athlete are terrible.
― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Saturday, 30 June 2007 11:17 (2 years ago)
so, are you Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy.
― 597, Saturday, 30 June 2007 13:46 (2 years ago)

^top wit

― sleighdog mcdonald (unregistered), Thursday, 22 October 2009 02:26 (fifteen years ago)

Starring Geir Hongro as The White Biggie Smalls
― King Boy Pato, Sunday, June 3, 2007 9:37 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark

^^^ top round

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 October 2009 06:09 (fifteen years ago)

Serious question: Why are everyone so hostile towards Geir around here? Even if his opinions/arguments are ridiculous, that's no reason IMO to insult him... and I've never read any post written by him that's even remotely rude. Am I missing something?

― one boob is free with one (daavid), Thursday, 22 October 2009 06:13 (fifteen years ago)

*Why IS everyone

― one boob is free with one (daavid), Thursday, 22 October 2009 06:15 (fifteen years ago)

His complete inability to recognise other posters as human beings with feelings, & his occasional tendancy to descend into quasi-racist sweeping statements that offend practically everyone here.

― Sickamous (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 22 October 2009 06:23 (fifteen years ago)

OK, I guess I've missed the racist statements. But what do you mean exactly by "recognising other posters as human beings"? I'm not questioning what you're saying, I'm just confused... isn't engaging in a discussion with other posters enough?

― one boob is free with one (daavid), Thursday, 22 October 2009 06:42 (fifteen years ago)

"discussion".

But hey, a lot of it is good-natured-ish ribbing, really.

― Music should never have changed anymore after my mid 80s (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 22 October 2009 06:43 (fifteen years ago)

people, including myself, are meaner on the internets.

but imagine, if you can, this real-life scenario. you're having a few beers with some friends, maybe some friends-of-friends as well, even a work colleague or two. you're talking about, i dunno, movies. you're debating the merits of robert mitchum versus robert ryan. this guy, who is someone's work colleague who nobody knows very well, keeps piping up: "black and white movies are not movies. only color movies are real movies." the first time you attempt to suppress your incredulity and mount an argument against this nonsensical claim. after which this guy responds, "black and white movies are not movies. only color movies are real movies." you and your bros chuckle uncomfortably. you go back to talking about how awesome robert mitchum is in "thunder road." a few minutes later, this guy pipes up again: "black and white movies are not movies. only color movies are real movies." everyone rolls their eyes, slowly and almost imperceptibly begins to move away from the guy. you resume talking about old movies. ten minutes later, the guy sidles up to you, real close like, and whispers in your ear, "black and white movies are not movies. only color movies are real movies."

now repeat x1000. oh, and add crypto-racist weirdness.

THAT is why people are, sometimes, mean to geir hongro.

― amateurist, Thursday, 22 October 2009 06:53 (fifteen years ago)

wait, is geir hitting on you in this situation

― iatee, Thursday, 22 October 2009 06:56 (fifteen years ago)

it does sound like that, doesn't it. no, he just won't go away is all.

― amateurist, Thursday, 22 October 2009 07:01 (fifteen years ago)

i liked the tension of the story, but the ending was a bit dissapointing

xxpost

― Zeno, Thursday, 22 October 2009 08:25 (fifteen years ago)

I don't get it. What is Geir supposed to be repeating x1000? I've never seen him being repetitious. Tendentious and sweeping, yes, but not repetitious.

― anagram, Thursday, 22 October 2009 11:09 (fifteen years ago)

More like, what doesn't he repeat?

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 11:10 (fifteen years ago)

He's not had a new idea in 15 years

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 11:11 (fifteen years ago)

That never stopped Oasis, oh wait

― Obscured by clowns (NickB), Thursday, 22 October 2009 11:14 (fifteen years ago)

Not mad about this thread though tbh

― Obscured by clowns (NickB), Thursday, 22 October 2009 11:15 (fifteen years ago)

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 11:15 (fifteen years ago)

this thread'd have been locked years ago if it were anyone else.

― tomofthenest, Thursday, 22 October 2009 11:35 (fifteen years ago)

It's a very old thread, and all the old 'locked' threads became unlocked at one point...

― Mark G, Thursday, 22 October 2009 11:38 (fifteen years ago)

I think another part of the reason why people are mean to Geir is that he's so passively good natured about it all, and godblessim for it.

― FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 22 October 2009 11:39 (fifteen years ago)

I don't see it as being passively good natured at all

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 11:41 (fifteen years ago)

Why be mean to someone who is genuinely passively good natured?

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 11:43 (fifteen years ago)

I think another part of the reason why people are mean to Geir is that he's so passively good natured about it all, and godblessim for it.

― FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 22 October 2009 12:39 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

kinda worried about the Private Torment of Geir Hongro though, the bullied kid with the beatific smile.

― tomofthenest, Thursday, 22 October 2009 11:45 (fifteen years ago)

most people would be out of ilx for good

― Zeno, Thursday, 22 October 2009 11:46 (fifteen years ago)

He wants to be bullied

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 11:47 (fifteen years ago)

I'm inclined to believe that Geir states his opinions in the dogmatic tone he does simply out of irreverence - an understandable impulse given the sometimes somewhat over-bearing popist/rhythmico-fascist consensus that prevails on this board.

― Freedom, Thursday, 22 October 2009 12:11 (fifteen years ago)

Geir is Geir and always will be Geir (i imagine). get over it and get on with your own lives.

― the not-fun one (Ioannis), Thursday, 22 October 2009 12:14 (fifteen years ago)

real heads will know that it's titchyschneider that is actually ilx's premier subliminal chinese water-torturer - geir is but childs play in comparison.

― r|t|c, Thursday, 22 October 2009 12:20 (fifteen years ago)

given the sometimes somewhat over-bearing popist/rhythmico-fascist consensus that prevails on this board

http://www.hollow-hill.com/sabina/images/fascist-handjob.jpg

― President Keyes, Thursday, 22 October 2009 12:23 (fifteen years ago)

Is that Michael Moore?

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 12:25 (fifteen years ago)

xpost to Freedom, you are joking right, or maybe a geirsock?

― tomofthenest, Thursday, 22 October 2009 12:37 (fifteen years ago)

Nah, I'm also sick of ILM's endless refusal to discuss anything but rhythmico-fascism.

― The Velvet Undieground & RythNico-Fascist (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 22 October 2009 12:39 (fifteen years ago)

It's getting so a guy can't drop a challop round here without somebody challenging it.

― The Velvet Undieground & RythNico-Fascist (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 22 October 2009 12:40 (fifteen years ago)

It's getting so a guy can't drop a challenge round here without somebody challoping it.

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 12:41 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.securecrazydiamond.com/dizq/51055.jpg

― Obscured by clowns (NickB), Thursday, 22 October 2009 12:41 (fifteen years ago)

It's getting so a guy can't Can the Can round here without somebody can'ting the Kant.

― The Velvet Undieground & RythNico-Fascist (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 22 October 2009 12:43 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk7i_EPxTlY

― tomofthenest, Thursday, 22 October 2009 12:43 (fifteen years ago)

http://shellgames.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/mel-gibson-braveheart-photograph-c101019223.jpg

Chair of the Anti-rhymico-co-rosie-fascist League calling the AGM to order, earlier.

― The Velvet Undieground & RythNico-Fascist (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 22 October 2009 12:46 (fifteen years ago)

Ha. The Rhythm Nation video is Geir's nightmare dystopia: 1984, only with funky black people in charge and anyone who likes advanced chord changes is imprisoned for thoughtcrime.

― Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 22 October 2009 12:48 (fifteen years ago)

The Popist era on ILM is a long time gone

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 12:50 (fifteen years ago)

anyone who likes advanced chord changes

master plan of getting this term treated like it means something moving along nicely I see, well played Mr. Hongroe

― a full circle lol (J0hn D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 12:50 (fifteen years ago)

Well, the use of the word "fascist" was a jokey over-statement obviously, but I stand by the rest of it. If you ILM Army Council deems it challopy then so be it. I am now going to get my guitar and shift from a major to a diminished triad chord without fear.

― Freedom, Thursday, 22 October 2009 12:56 (fifteen years ago)

you = the

― Freedom, Thursday, 22 October 2009 12:57 (fifteen years ago)

Geirsock.

― tomofthenest, Thursday, 22 October 2009 12:58 (fifteen years ago)

I am now going to get my guitar and shift from a major to a diminished triad chord without fear.

that'll be a really complex chord change

― a full circle lol (J0hn D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:00 (fifteen years ago)

i think you'll find it's a melodic modulation invented in 1967 but clearly influenced by western musical history and music hall

― tomofthenest, Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:04 (fifteen years ago)

And in the blue corner:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaOWQbnE5zk

― Freedom, Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:07 (fifteen years ago)

ILM without Geir would be like one of those '70s disaster movies without that one contrary character who antagonizes everybody and always contradicts the self-styled leader ("I'm not going that way - I'm going THIS way! Who's with me?") and ultimately seals his own fate - in other words, unimaginable. Besides, he gets things right sometimes (twice a day, just like that broken clock.) Definitely more classical than duddical.

― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:08 (fifteen years ago)

Blues corner? XTC has nothing do with the amelodics scraping and wailing of an inferior form such as the blues. (xp)

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:09 (fifteen years ago)

Is there a special edited version of ILM that's all Tin Pan Alley and R'n'B all the time and I'm missing out?

― The Velvet Undieground & RythNico-Fascist (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:09 (fifteen years ago)

Because to be honest, ze enemy, she ees not zhair.

― The Velvet Undieground & RythNico-Fascist (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:10 (fifteen years ago)

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxpost

And also, I'm not a Geirsock, you lemon. I don't agree with his opinions. I just find the demonisation of him daft is all.

― Freedom, Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:10 (fifteen years ago)

Well, I thought red corner, i.e. red, i.e. commie pinko self-flagellating multicultural rhythmico-fascist liberals, so blue was more appropriate.

― Freedom, Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:12 (fifteen years ago)

xxposts : proof the enemy is among us - the top 5 threads on ILM

Runnin' Down a POLL: The Tom Petty "Full Moon Fever" Poll [Started by lihaperäpukamat (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn) in October 2009, last updated 3 minutes ago by feed them to the (Linden Ave) lions (will)] 34 new answers POLL closes: October 31 (in 1 week)

RYM's Top 50 Psych Pop albums [Started by Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro) in October 2009, last updated 4 minutes ago by The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.)] 22 new answers POLL results

ILX 1980s ALBUM POLL REDUX: Nomination Thread (nomination time ends on Sunday, November 1st) [Started by Tuomas in October 2009, last updated 5 minutes ago by some dude] 70 new answers

Best Replacement for Rod Stewart [Started by Mark G in October 2009, last updated 15 minutes ago by The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.)] 4 new answers POLL closes: November 03 (in 1 week)

P2K: The Top 200 Albums of the 2000s: 20-1 [Started by I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor) in October 2009, last updated 22 minutes ago by tomofthenest] 126 new answers POLL results

― tomofthenest, Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:17 (fifteen years ago)

WHEN O WHEN WILL THEY GIVE CLASSIC ROCK A CHANCE?

― The Velvet Undieground & RythNico-Fascist (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:19 (fifteen years ago)

Insofar as Geir is laid into, I think zee enemy is there. He's dissed for being dogmatic, but surely phrasing your opinions as objective fact is fairly commonplace? It is in the antipathy to this that I see vestiges of rhythmico-fascism.

― Freedom, Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:21 (fifteen years ago)

He is dissed for more than simply being dogmatic

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:22 (fifteen years ago)

with seriousface on, its really only the crypto-racist stuff that bothers me.

― tomofthenest, Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:22 (fifteen years ago)

"those '70s disaster movies without that one contrary character who antagonizes everybody and always contradicts the self-styled leader ("I'm not going that way - I'm going THIS way! Who's with me?") and ultimately seals his own fate"

in the movie - the character doesnt have a choice but to stay with the group, while here - he is free to leave, yet doesn't.
whats the interest?

― Zeno, Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:24 (fifteen years ago)

OTM. He's fine otherwise. (xp)

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:24 (fifteen years ago)

... well, he's not too bad, can be OK

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:25 (fifteen years ago)

yeah sorry he's on some dickbrain shit at best and a crypto-racist at worst. dud.

― lad: "et tu, lady?" (haitch), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:25 (fifteen years ago)

"hi i'm geir hongro, i'm going to join a music discussion website and re-iterate my crypto-racey music dogma at everybody for nine years and not move a jot in my own way of thinking, or engage meaningfully with anyone." fuck off.

― lad: "et tu, lady?" (haitch), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:27 (fifteen years ago)

I don't see where the crypto-racist stuff is. He doesn't dislike melodic music that happens to be made by black people, so it is clearly solely to do with aesthetic taste, no?

― Freedom, Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:28 (fifteen years ago)

also, he got his own classic or dud thread - respect!

― Zeno, Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:29 (fifteen years ago)

I don't see where the crypto-racist stuff is. He doesn't dislike melodic music that happens to be made by black people, so it is clearly solely to do with aesthetic taste, no?

How long have you been here?

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:30 (fifteen years ago)

Ha. The Rhythm Nation video is Geir's nightmare dystopia: 1984, only with funky black people in charge and anyone who likes advanced chord changes is imprisoned for thoughtcrime.

^^^^

― lihaperäpukamat (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:33 (fifteen years ago)

Surely if Geir was actually as crypto-racist as some posts seem to suggest he would have been Suggest Banned by now?

I could do with less polls though

― I am using your worlds, Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:35 (fifteen years ago)

Not everyone believes in Suggest Banning. I certainly don't.

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:37 (fifteen years ago)

And Suggest Banning hasn't always existed!

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:39 (fifteen years ago)

I'd concede there's occasionally a somewhat demonic fervour when he's engaged in his grand theorising about music, but this never really spills over into any substantive racism.

― Freedom, Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:40 (fifteen years ago)

shall we go into his "african cultures don't have a word to differentiate between music and dance, ergo they must be lower lifeforms than mozart" argument again?

― lad: "et tu, lady?" (haitch), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:41 (fifteen years ago)

Oh really? Not even his comments about sub-Saharan Africans having no word for or concept of music, only of "dancing"? That isn't crypto-racist, it's racist. And, of course, there's no retraction or apologia forthcoming if anyone complains about it because, frankly, that is what he believes - except he doesn't even "believe" it, IT IS TRUE.

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:41 (fifteen years ago)

xpost!

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:41 (fifteen years ago)

lollll

― lad: "et tu, lady?" (haitch), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:41 (fifteen years ago)

Well it's the one that pushed me over the edge

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:42 (fifteen years ago)

I'd need chapter and verse quotation.

― Freedom, Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:45 (fifteen years ago)

I was prepared to accept him as a hapless weirdo hung up on melodic music in the Western tradition, to the exclusion of all else, until that

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:46 (fifteen years ago)

i'd need a sedative after looking through all those ridiculous theories to find the right quote! (xp)

― lad: "et tu, lady?" (haitch), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:46 (fifteen years ago)

LOL

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:50 (fifteen years ago)

So melodic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozu8KGFH-CU

― Freedom, Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:50 (fifteen years ago)

Uggggggggggghhhhhh God. Give it to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53gY7BjNkpc

― Freedom, Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:53 (fifteen years ago)

I can't find the original quote but here is some nasty person (I think it was me) bullying poor little Geir in to one of his usual considered responses:

... plus they didd't actually have a word for music in Africa until the white man showed up, eh Geir?

Which was rather obvious because they didn't have music, just dancing. Note that this only goes for a limited Geographic part of Africa. Northern Africa certainly had music, and they also had a word for it.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:39 (4 years ago) Bookmark

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:54 (fifteen years ago)

Ha ha, I found one I hadn't seen before!

West Africans used to know dancing but not music. They were introduced to music by the imperialists. The sounds they were making while dancing was just a part of the dance, and had nothing to do with music really.

― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 21:21 (1 year ago) Bookmark

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:56 (fifteen years ago)

Complex music may only be made by an elite of people with considerably bigger musical talent than most people.

― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 21:49 (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

(And such people will of course exist amongst Africans too, they need to be introduced to the actual craft at first though)

― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 21:49 (1 year ago) Bookmark

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:57 (fifteen years ago)

i've got a fuckin word for him

― lad: "et tu, lady?" (haitch), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:58 (fifteen years ago)

... ad nauseum. Which when put together with his apparently harmless trumpeting of the superiority of Western Music, begins to seem a tiny bit sinister

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:59 (fifteen years ago)

makes me want to put 'acid trax' on a loop and dance around for hours

― lad: "et tu, lady?" (haitch), Thursday, 22 October 2009 14:03 (fifteen years ago)

But of course, he states as political views as being broadly furry left-liberal, doesn't he?

― Freedom, Thursday, 22 October 2009 14:04 (fifteen years ago)

He doesn't have any political views that I can make out, I don't really care about that anyway

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 14:08 (fifteen years ago)

Okay enough of this. You want to call him out on this, try it on a thread when he's actually around.

― Moderator, Thursday, 22 October 2009 14:12 (fifteen years ago)

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