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...based on what you've heard this far this year and critical reaction. No, you can't include HTTT. So I guess predict the top 9.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 21 August 2003 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

What about HTWWW?

― dleone (dleone), Thursday, 21 August 2003 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Is that out yet?

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 21 August 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

What is HTTT? "Hail To The Thief"?

― Nick H, Thursday, 21 August 2003 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

That's correct.

The acronym was thrown around so much here a few months ago that I guess I just imagined that everyone would know what I meant.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 21 August 2003 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

singles:
1. crazy in love
2. like glue
3. work it
4. 7 nation army
5. so many men
6. cry me a river
7. ignition remix
8. gossip kids
9. la la la
10. lose yourself

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 21 August 2003 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Wasn't "Lose Yourself" released as a single last year? And "Work It" for that matter.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 August 2003 15:17 (twenty-two years ago)

is it calendar year? or just the period between when the poll is published?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 21 August 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Predict Pazz & Jop 2003

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 August 2003 15:42 (twenty-two years ago)

It's calendar year. Also: that singles list has to have some 50 Cent.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 August 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

well, "work it" was number one last year so that would be quite a repeat.

singles (no order but this is the top 10 as of 8/03):

"get busy"
"beware of the boys"
"crazy in love"
"in da club"
"ignition (remix)"
"7 nation army"
"gay bar"
"rock your body"
"ghettomusick"

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

round up all us ilx0rs who will be actually be voting and we can probably get a fairly solid, empirical calculation rather than a random prediction!

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 21 August 2003 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

shit, add..um...well let's leave space 10 open as the "wild card"

albums:

stripes
rapture
yeah yeah yeahs
b jaxx
outkast
r-head
black album
get rich or die trying
the zep live record
dutty rock, maybe

god help us if bob dylan releases an album

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

haha dave i GUAR-AN-TEEEE that the ilx'ers who will be voting in p&j 2003 won't even be able to reach a consensus themselves, plus we're hardly as whitebread as the 750-800 critics that voted wilco #1 last year (by "whitebread" i mean the gluten holding the random picks together...you want a lesson in pain start clicking on random ballots in any given pazz and jop and see what horrible, cliche taste 50-60% of working critics have.)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

The Masked And Anonymous soundtrack doesn't count? (It doesnt for me tbh and I think I'm fairly representative of the Dylan non-hardcore)

That albums list looks optimistic Strongo.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 21 August 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

what do you think is gonna take it then? (i thought i was being realistic! (i actively dislike at least a 1/3.)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know, I'm sure there's something awful I can't put my finger on. Something that'll pick up a lot of 5-point votes. "Optimistic" = I don't think Rapture or Jaxx will make the 10 - Top 25, probably. Dashboard Confessional maybe? Grandaddy?

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

jaxx made 13 last time on the back of the biggest push they had yet. this could be their "play".

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

(please note i mean that almost entirely from a marketing standpoint!!)

and i think the rapture will definitely make top 10, especially with all the bloggers and webzine people now voting.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

mmm, good point jess, i have looked at the pazz & jop ballots before and they aint even funny (actually, they are in some cases) and i wasn't quite being serious, just rather overstating the point abt how many of us will be doing it!

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not being deliberately daft, but I hadn't heard of the Rapture until quite recently. So I'm not sure they're quite in the public consciousness yet. (Because, you know, the world revolves around me.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

(Or, rather, I'd expect to see the New Pornographers or the Postal Service in the top ten before the Rapture. If we're going by blogger-influence.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

public consciousness != rock critics!!!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

i have no idea what "black album" IS; maybe i'm just blanking out. it never occured to me that basement jaxx, rapture, 50 cent, or sean paul would have top ten albums; never even occurred to me that three of those would even be top 40, in fact, but maybe i'm wrong. (and come to think of it, rapture could get a pretty overwhelming hepster vote, and 50 cent a pretty overwhelming rap-crit vote, so i suppose it's possible they both do have a top-10 shot after all.) and grandaddy's album will finish way lower than their last one, since their fans (foolishly) all think it's a big dropoff, and nobody else cares about very them much anyway. (and i've long assumed "in da club" would win best single. "danger! high voltage," which will carry over votes from last year, will finish higher than "gay bar," though, i bet.) right now, i'd say outkast will win the albums, easy, with radiohead and white stripes finishing a distant two and three, in some order or other. junior senior's single could be top ten, too, though, right? also, there's lots of stuff we're all forgetting right now, i guarantee -- stuff that daily critics in the midwest will push up there (not that i have anything against the midwest, of course).
and oh yeah: new pornographers could easily finish top 20, at least.

― chuck, Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

christ, i forgot the new pornographers and junior senior.

"black album" = new jay-z, chuck.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

(i mean unless it's godawful, but that never stopped a record from placing top 10 before.)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

well, it kept jay-z's last album from getting more than a couple votes, right? (though i forget how godawful that one was, actually.)

and people seem to like that new neil young album, for instance -- wouldn't be surprised if he's the dylan surrogate in the top 10.

― chuck, Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

my theory on jay-z (i mean, i'm probably not the person who came up with it or anything) is that he releases a crap album or at least mediocre one (where everyone says he's done, over, vamoosed sunuvabitch) and then a great one (or at least less-mediocre one) that everyone wants to hug him for.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

My candidates so far, if this helps:

Radiohead
Morbid Angel
Vital Remains
Mars Volta
Arch Enemy
Dimmu Borgir
Cradle Of Filth
Children of Bodom
Sleep
Grave
Strapping Young Lad

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)

So, did I just totally miss the boat on the Rapture, then? Are lots of critics talking about them?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

i dunno, i don't read free weeklies.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

life's too short, etc. etc.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Weakerthans at #1! (Okay, it's not gonna happen, but I can dream.)

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Fine, Jess, so on what basis do any of your predictions lie, then?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

equal parts intuition and superpowers.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I have to remember to remember to see if Manitoba is still great at the end of the year!

― rob geary (rgeary), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)

But "In Da Club" is a lock for #1 single. If not, I'm leaving the country

― rob geary (rgeary), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I might've agreed with you a few months ago, Rob. But I feel like Beyonce could easily pull it off.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 August 2003 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't get the Manitoba record. It's fine and all, but what's so top-ten about it?

― southern lights (southern lights), Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh! Definitely. Though it's just not quite as long-lasting a single for me. 50's chorus is a little throwaway, Beyonce's verses are a little throwaway. Either way everybody wins. Dark horse- Get Busy?

― rob geary (rgeary), Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

"get busy" will place top 3 for sure. it is the consensus dancehall/diwali hit.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha, I would've said that the Jay-Z part is the throwaway.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

An accurate representation of singles for me right now would just say "Diwali" in slots 5-10. Sean Paul will place high but part of my enjoyment has been hearing Wayne, Elephant Man, heck even Lumidee over the same beat for months.

― rob geary (rgeary), Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

jaymc, no way! Jigga is indispensable to that track. His flow is very casual as is his MO these days but that's part of what's so great- she's super-hyped up and half-crazy, he comes swaggering in yammering about chincilla and Ringo Starr.

― rob geary (rgeary), Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

The Sean Paul vote will probably be split between "Get Busy" and "Like Glue", which will keep him from ranking as high as he would otherwise.

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Good point, Rob. Yeah, I am warming up to it, but at first it did feel pretty disconnected.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)

i was just gonna say that about the split sean paul single vote -- and actually, aren't there about four or five hits by him this year? i lost count, though my 11-year-old kid loves all of them. i like the glue one best, myself, and still need to get ahold of the album.

"cameltoe" by fannypack will finish somewhere on the singles list, i bet -- POSSIBLY in the top ten, though maybe not. their album has a shot, too, though probably less of one. i'm not gonna vote for either.

"get low" by lil jon and the eastside boys SHOULD have a shot, but doesn't. (then again, so should lots and lots of other things.)

― chuck, Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Led Zeppelin
Outkast
Radiohead
Yeah Yeah Yeahs
Neil Young
Lucinda Williams
Shins
Fountains of Wayne
White Stripes
PJ Harvey

Singles:
In Da Club
Crazy In Love
Lumidee
7 Nation Army
Sean Paul "get busy"
Ignition [remix]
Rock Your Body
...

― david day (winslow), Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

i wonder how liz phair, stephen malkmus, bubba sparxxx, and brooks & dunn will do. (i bet they finish in that order, more or less.)

also: the electric six album, which i hope finishes top 40 at least.

"rock your body" will suffer from split justin votes, i bet.

and i was under the impression that lucinda williams's fans didn't like her new album all that much, just like grandaddy's fans (and again, nobody else cares about her at all), but maybe i'm wrong.

― chuck, Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

and no way will zeppelin win; too many people (as i plan to) will decide that it's not really 2003 music, no matter how good it is.

― chuck, Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm liking the Fountains of Wayne album quite a bit, but I was under the impression that virtually no one else cared?

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Grandaddy is most likely gonna be in my top ten, but I hadn't really paid much attention to them before; the Lucinda album is okayyyy but it's not gripping me enough to get on the list.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Current Metacritic scores:

1. Led Zeppelin
2. Dizzee Rascal
3. White Stripes
4. Notwist
5. Lucinda Williams
6. Damien Jurado
7. Pernice Brothers
8. Fountains of Wayne
9. Drive-By Truckers
10. Four Tet

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

david day's list looks very close to what i came up with in that last thread.

fountains of wayne has gotten shitloads of press. it's top ten, fersure.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

i reckon that methodology of pazz & jop is inadequate and outmoded [due to only 10 choices] rendering the results at the top skeewed to a consensus of predictable high profile artists.

ha deja vu - jaymc just jumped in with the metacritic scores !

by the way, Killing Joke have gatecrashed into the Metacritic Top 10 albums of 2003 [at least five scores in database]
http://www.metacritic.com/music/

Metacritic top 20 of 2003 [at least 7 scores in database]
http://www.metacritic.com/music/bests/2003.shtml

top 3 with da critics are Led Zep, Dizzee and Stripes - mind you the top 20 is a rather odd mix that includes singer songwriters/ alt.country/ US indie rock/ power pop and southern retro rawk-shite and some folktronica and a electronic-hip-hopper.

this is how fast n bulbous sees 2003, ranked over 9 on their score system]

fast n bulbous
http://www.fastnbulbous.com/rock.htm
2003

10-

Radiohead * Hail To The Thief (Capitol)
The Mars Volta * De-Loused In The Comatorium (Universal)
9+

Yeah Yeah Yeahs * Fever To Tell (Interscope)
Café Tacuba * Quatro Caminos (MCA)
The White Stripes * Elephant (V2)
Colder * Again (Output UK)
The Concretes (Licking Fingers UK)
Magnet * On Your Side (Ultimate Dilemma UK)
Super Furry Animals * Phantom Power (Beggars Banquet)
Prefuse 73 * One Word Extinguisher (Warp)
Mogwai * Happy Songs For Happy People (Matador)
Ed Harcourt * From Every Sphere (Astralwerks/Heaven)
Calexico * Feast of Wire (Quarterstick)
Four Tet * Rounds (Domino)
The Darkness * Permission To Land (Must Destroy)
Lightning Bolt * Wonderful Rainbow (Load)
The Coral * Magic And Medicine (Deltasonic)
Broadcast - Hahasound (Warp)
Elbow * Cast Of Thousands (V2) Aug 17
Calla * Televise (Arena Rock Recording Co)
Athlete * Vehicles & Animals (EMI)
Pernice Brothers * Yours, Mine & Ours (Ashmont)
Firewater * The Man On The Burning Tightrope (Jetset)
Nina Nastasia * Run To Ruin (Touch And Go)
The Rapture * Echoes (DFA/Universal) Oct 1
Asian Dub Foundation * Enemy of the Enemy (Virgin)
Kevin Blechdom * Bitches Without Britches (EFA)
The Silver Mt. Zion * This Is Our Punk-Rock (Constellation) Aug 26
HiM * Many In High Places Are Not Well (Bubble Core)

Black Rebel Motorcycle Club * Take Them On, On Your Own (Virgin) Aug 26
My Morning Jacket * It Still Moves (ATO/RCA) Sep 9
The Decemberists * Her Majesty, The Decemberists (Kill Rock Stars) Sep 9
Pretty Girls Make Graves * The New Romance (Matador) Sep 9
Spiritualized * Amazing Grace (Sanctuary Records) Sep 9
The Wrens * The Meadowlands (Absolutely Kosher) Sep 9
Martina Topley-Bird * Quixotic (Independente)
Rancid * Indestructible (Epitaph)
Longwave * The Strangest Things (RCA)
Thea Gilmore * Avalanche (Hungry Dog)
Janet Bean and the Concertina Wire * Dragging Wonder Lake (Thrill Jockey)
Elefant * Sunlight Makes Me Paranoid (Kernado)
The Dirty Three * She Has No Strings, Apollo (Touch And Go)
Chris Lee * Cool Rock (Misra)
Eleni Mandell * Country For True Lovers (Zedtone)
Clientele * Violet Hour (Merge)
Animal Collective * Here Comes The Indian (Paw Tracks)
Pleasure Forever * Alter (Sub Pop)
Nitin Sawhney * Human (V2)
Pram * Dark Island (Merge)
Tricky * Vulnerable (Hollywood)
Manitoba * Up In Flames (Domino)
Aereogramme * Sleep and Release (Chemikal Underground)
Lucinda Williams * World Without Tears (Lost Highway)
Soft Pink Truth (Matmos) * Do You Party? (Soundslike)
Cat Power * You Are Free (Matador)
Wire * Send (Pink Flag)
Jane's Addiction * Strays (Capitol)
Songs: Ohia * The Magnolia Electric Co. (Secretly Canadian)
The Tyde * Twice (Rough Trade)
Jay Farrar * Terroir Blues (Artemis)
Bardo Pond * On The Eclipse (ATP)
British Sea Power * The Decline Of British Sea Power (Rough Trade)
Outrageous Cherry * Supernatural Equinox (Rainbow Quartz)
Joy Zipper * American Whip (13 Amp)
Ui * Answers (Southern)
Ex Models * Zoo Psychology (Frenchkiss)
Beans * Tomorrow Right Now (Warp)
Amy Rigby * Til The Wheels Fall Off (Signature)
David Sylvian * Blemish (Samadhisound)
Neil Michael Hagerty * The Hex (Drag City)
Prince Paul * Politics of the Business (Razor & Tie)
Tindersticks * Waiting For The Moon (Beggars Banquet)
Mondo Generator * Drug Problem That Never Existed (Ipecac)
The Gossip * Movement (Kill Rock Stars)
The Watchers * To The Rooftops (Gern Blandsten)
DJ Cheb I Sabbha * As Far As (Six Degrees)
Yo La Tengo * Summer Sun (Matador)
Natacha Atlas * Something Dangerous (Mantra)
Eels * Shootenanny! (DreamWorks)
The Thrills * So Much For The City (Virgin)
Entombed * Inferno (Koch)
Tomahawk * Mit Gas (Ipecac)
New Pornographers * Electric Version (Matador)
Bent * The Everlasting Blink (Sport)
The Postal Service * Give Up (Sub Pop)
Tangiers * Hot New Spirits (Sonic Unyon)
Set Fire to Flames * Telegraphs in Negative/Mouths Trapped in Static (Alien8)
The Kills * Keep On Your Mean Side (Rough Trade)
Susheela Raman * Love Trap (Narada)
The Go Betweens * Bright Yellow, Bright Orange (Circus)
Junior Senior * D-Don't Stop The Music (Universal/Crunchy Frog)
Ry Cooder/Manuel Galban * Mambo Sinuendo (Nonesuch/Perro Verde)
Goldfrapp * Black Cherry (Mute)
Massive Attack * 100th Window (Virgin)
The Sea And Cake * One Bedroom (Thrill Jockey)
Subarachnoid Space * Also Rising (Strange Attractors)
Karsh Kale * Liberation (Six Degrees)
Mariza * Fado Curvo (Times Square)
Killing Joke (Pilot)
Dinky * Black Cabaret (Carpark)
Richard Hawley * Lowedges (Setanta)
Mr. Quintron * Are You Ready For An Organ Solo (Three-One-G)
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds * Nocturama (Mute)
Califone * Quicksand/Cradlesnakes (Thrill Jockey)
The Sleepy Jackson * Lovers (EMI)

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

fountains of wayne has gotten shitloads of press. it's top ten, fersure.

Cool, guess I haven't been looking in the right places.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

you want a lesson in pain start clicking
on random ballots in any given pazz and jop and see what horrible, cliche taste 50-60% of working critics have.
but regular people have horrible, cliche taste, so isn't that, like, isn't that actually sorta good in a way, I mean in terms of critics (or more likely they call themselves reviewers) performing a service instead of necessarily being creative.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

why don't the deadly snakes get more critical acclaim? ode to joy is the new fucking basement tapes for christsakes and i have yet to see one review in a "major" publication

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

did you see my review? I fucking loved the fucking fuckedy fuck out of it. But I think it's too easy to dismiss anything garagey this year (for most crits to pick up on it, that is, IMO Ode to Joy would be a fucking great record ANY year).

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 21 August 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd expect to see "Frontin'" do pretty well too. It would be nice to see "A.D.I.D.A.S." and "Never Scared" place.

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 21 August 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

where did you review it horace?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 21 August 2003 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

ahem.

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0329/kogan.php

it has a good shot at my top ten, though clone defects will finish higher.

― chuck, Thursday, 21 August 2003 18:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I reviewed in a midwestern daily, y'know one of those places that drags the Pazz & Jop down.
But I also posted my gushing review on the Deadly Snakes thread, I thought.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 21 August 2003 18:06 (twenty-two years ago)

bah, i said major publication chuck...

just kidding... that Kogan piece is cool, but the Snakes do seem conspicuously absent from a lot of other places you'd expect to see them raved about like Mojo and Uncut or eve like the stinking Magnet. and it's also 10 x fresher than the defects record (which I do like).

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 21 August 2003 18:09 (twenty-two years ago)

>it's also 10 x fresher than the defects record<

that's what i thought at first, too, but the clone defects' one has really grown on me in the past month...plus, brooks & dunn's album makes for an even better *basement tapes* than deadly snakes' does.

And I never heard of *Uncut* magazine before. I'm not joking.

― chuck, Thursday, 21 August 2003 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Or *eve*, for that matter. What the hell is that?

― chuck, Thursday, 21 August 2003 18:13 (twenty-two years ago)

eve = even
uncut is a porn mag for uncircumsized men

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 21 August 2003 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

(it's actually a kinda sub-Mojo type rag)

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 21 August 2003 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

nobody else cares about her at all

didn't lucinda win p&j a little while back?

PJ Harvey's a lock unless her album sucks, so, yeah... a lock.

If Mars Volta gets in there they can do a whole "return of the rock" kooky thing.

Imports are out, indies are out... what's the highest an indie has ever got in P&J?

will mya's new one be up there? we need a R&B diva... Beyonce?

― david day (winslow), Thursday, 21 August 2003 18:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Uncut
http://www.uncut.net/
UK Retrospective focused Rock Music Monthly

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 21 August 2003 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)

>what's the highest an indie has ever got in P&J?<

White Stipes? Actually, De La Soul finished first on Tommy Boy once. And I bet there are a whole bunch of other examples I'm forgetting.

― chuck, Thursday, 21 August 2003 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)

And Liz Phair finished first on Matador, right? etc. etc. etc.

― chuck, Thursday, 21 August 2003 18:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Moby finished #1 on V2, which Christgau said was an indie in his end-of-year essay, though I'm not sure I buy it. In any case, the Magnetic Fields finished #2 on Merge the same year.

― Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Thursday, 21 August 2003 18:22 (twenty-two years ago)

well, that was the year the stripes were picked up by V2. seems to me, with the large amount of promo hounds in the P&J voting booths, it would be hard for a great record like the notwist or fourtet or manitoba [sheesh, all domino!] to break the top 10.

shins get in because people will feel bad about not voting the record the last time and its grown on them tremendously, etc. their new album might suck [?] no? hard to say. hope not.

Magnetic Fields #2? wow. that thing must have sold tons.

― david day (winslow), Thursday, 21 August 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

will dizzee get in there?

― david day (winslow), Thursday, 21 August 2003 18:25 (twenty-two years ago)

um, chuck, I responded to your dis of me and my ilk...

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 21 August 2003 18:33 (twenty-two years ago)

White Stipes

This could be a good name for an REM cover band.

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 21 August 2003 18:33 (twenty-two years ago)

shins finished pretty high last time, actually -- they were one of the biggest surprises of the poll that year. i doubt notwist or four tet or (gawd, i hope to hell not) manitoba will finish in the top 40, much less top 10; their cults just aren't big enough. (and i say that as somebody who's been a notwist fan since the mid '90s, by the way.) and is dizzee rascal even coming out in the states? not that imports aren't eligbile, but they're a lot harder to get. (i've yet to see a copy of the album myself, and i see pretty much EVERYTHING here.)

― chuck, Thursday, 21 August 2003 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

if dizzee doesn't come out here i'll eat my shoe.

― david day (winslow), Thursday, 21 August 2003 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

hey horace, i'm FROM the midwest! grew up in michigan, went to school in missouri. all i'm saying is that daily papers there are where the jayhawks and marah voters tend to come from, you know? which is fine; it's just that nobody's mentioning that kinda stuff on this thread.

― chuck, Thursday, 21 August 2003 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

okay, I thought I was gonna have to rev up my pick-up, put on my Alberta Wheat Pool meshback, pick up Chuck Klosterman, and go kick some big city ass.

I don't care anyway. I'm not a P&J voter, and according to the Western Canadian Music Awards, I'm not a real "media person" anyway.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 21 August 2003 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

wow....who the hell do you think that other chuck learned his schtick from?? (not that i actually believe that, though he's said it himself a few times more or less, as have other people.) i mean, holy shit. i went and saw mellencamp live here two weeks ago, and played "hollywood nights" by bob seger while deejaying at joe's pub in manhtattan last night. and i only write about albums by eminem, kid rock, and white stripes. what else do I need to do???

― chuck, Thursday, 21 August 2003 18:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know. Offer me a job in NYC so that I never have to reviewr Three Dog Night at Oktoberfest ever ever again (and also so that I can actually work on my stand-up career somewhere where it'll do me some good--see "Get Up Stand Up" on ILX).

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 21 August 2003 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I imagine the Strokes album will place in the top 20, at least.

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Thursday, 21 August 2003 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

when is it due out?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 21 August 2003 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Without a US release, Dizzee still has a good shot at cracking the top 30. Not all that many people will vote for it -- it'll have a high points-per-vote average.

― Andy K (Andy K), Thursday, 21 August 2003 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

wot about thee darkness?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 21 August 2003 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

when is it due out?

Oct. 21 (I haven't heard anything from it, of course)

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Thursday, 21 August 2003 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

wild guess, right now

1. the white stripes
2. outkast
3. pj harvey
4. the strokes
5. the rapture
6. led zeppelin
7. dizzee rascal
8. fountains of wayne
9. the new pornographers
10. the yyys

singles

1. in da club
2. beware of the boys
3. where is the love?
4. she lives in my lap
5. get busy
6. gay bar
7. crazy in love
8. seven nation army
9. ignition (remix)
10. senorita

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Thursday, 21 August 2003 19:09 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe this is just cuz I'm from the midwest, but what's "gay bar"? (I know what a gay bar is, but I don't know the single.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 21 August 2003 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)

It's an Electric Six song. Really dumb but really fun.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 21 August 2003 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)

(check it out here.)

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 21 August 2003 19:14 (twenty-two years ago)

why does everybody think "gay bar" will finish higher than "danger! high voltage"?? i don't get it. "danger" already has a headstart -- 11 votes! (also, neither song is "dumb." they're both very smart.)

― chuck, Thursday, 21 August 2003 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

and "danger" is a much bigger hit, too, right?

― chuck, Thursday, 21 August 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

"Gay Bar" is a much better song. And it's got that great animated Web video where George Bush is singing it to Tony Blair.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 21 August 2003 19:20 (twenty-two years ago)

wait, do last years votes carry over for songs also voted for the next year? (nb: i just skimmed the last 48 answers so this may have been revealed already.)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 21 August 2003 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I think they count half or something. I think danger! high voltage was just too high on the radar for last year's ballot to get the votes again, most people seem to be switching to 'gay bar' or actually think 'gay bar' is better. somehow I think junior senior and electric six are gonna be competing for alot of the same votes.

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Thursday, 21 August 2003 19:31 (twenty-two years ago)

also, neither song is "dumb." they're both very smart

This is true. They very smartly appear dumb.

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 21 August 2003 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

(Kinda like "Right Thurr".)

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 21 August 2003 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

>do last years votes carry over for songs also voted for the next year?<

Yes. As long as:
1) The same person doesn't vote for the same song or album twice (in which case, only the second vote for the song or album counts).
and
2) The record gets at least half as many votes in the second year as in the first year (which is to say, if "danger! high voltage" gets five or fewer new votes this year, its 11 from last year won't carry over. But if it gets six or more -- which it will, I promise -- the 11 WILL carry over. Hence: a higher finish than "Gay Bar," easy.)

― chuck, Thursday, 21 August 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Good! My "Cry Me a River" and Chains & Black Exhaust votes should carry over then.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 21 August 2003 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

man, considering that "cry me a river" might place in the top 3, the justin lp might do something too

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 22 August 2003 01:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I just can't see any band with "Wayne" in its title finishing Top Ten.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 22 August 2003 22:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Ode to Joy is probably better than The Basement Tapes, but that's not saying much.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 22 August 2003 22:04 (twenty-two years ago)

>I just can't see any band with "Wayne" in its title finishing Top Ten. <

Though last year, Lil Wayne might have deserved to. (Not that he's a band or anything. Though he sort of is, on that album anyway.)

― chuck, Friday, 22 August 2003 22:27 (twenty-two years ago)

the new pornographers are getting way better (and more) press than f.o.w., why is everyone picking the latter to finish higher?

― corny indie fuxxnuts (M Matos), Friday, 22 August 2003 23:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I did it based purely on metacritic

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 22 August 2003 23:19 (twenty-two years ago)

3. where is the love?
4. she lives in my lap

Come on jess, you did that ranking solely for the question-and-response appearance of the title juxtaposition!

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 23 August 2003 01:56 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...

I'm reviving this thread, which is the nerdiest thing I can think to do at the moment.

Albums: OutKast, White Stripes, Radiohead, Strokes, maybe in that order, with many voters expressing disappointment, and the winner drawing its numbers from 7th- and 8th-place votes. Basement Jaxx and Yeah Yeah Yeahs Top 10. Dizzee Rascal and the Rapture don't have enough ear recognition to go that high. There was a PJ Harvey album, right? The fact that I'm not sure (which isn't to say that I couldn't find out in 20 seconds) indicates some sort of weakness, though it could be mine not hers. Not that I care about the album list.

Singles: "Hey Ya" will edge out "In Da Club"; I hope I'm wrong, since it doesn't deserve to, but voters will cast ballots for what makes them feel socioculturally at ease. "Beware of the Boys/Mundian To Bach Ke" (my number one at this microsecond) just didn't get enough airplay.

Quick quiz: Which was more significant, foretold the world to come, Odelay (P&J album winner 1996) or "C'Mon N Ride It (the Train)" (P&J singles winner 1996)? Answer: "C'Mon N Ride It (the Train)," one of P&J's few moments of prescience, though a weak victor with only 36 votes. I'll be real interested to see how "Get Low" and "Damn" and "Cadillac on 22s" finish, and I can't predict. I just don't know. (If only "Hanh" had been the Ying Yang Twins single rather than the so-so "Naggin'.") The Dirty South continues to absorb gulfstreams, continents, atmospheric layers, and everything else and refashion them into all-purpose mutant dance monsters. If the merengue mix of "Get Low" gets radioplay, the earth will shift on its axis. But I doubt that Pazz & Jop knows how to hear it.

Beyoncé - with her own more decorous mutations - may place two in the Top Twenty (I don't see that votes for "Crazy In Love" will cancel out votes for "Baby Boy"; nor will the latter cancel out "Like Glue," though I don't expect "Glue" to do as well). I always forget about R. Kelly. "Ignition (Remix)" will do something. I hope that "Cry Me A River" and "Rock Your Body" finish ahead of "Where Is The Love?" "Deliverance" might place high. I don't have a feel for where "Right Thurr" will be. "Danger! High Voltage," "Gay Bar," "Cameltoe," "Move Your Feet," and "Don't Be Scared" will pull in leftfield votes, probably in that order. Grandaddy Souf's "Savage Journey," the Black-Eyed Snakes' "Rise Up!" and Celine Dion's "Drove All Night" won't place in the Top 200, but I'd like to give a plug for them.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 20 November 2003 23:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Frank----voters will cast ballots for what makes them feel socioculturally at ease.

I've never seen what I love "Hey Ya!" for put so well!

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 21 November 2003 03:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Frank pretty much OTM:

1. White Stripes
2. Outkast
3. Radiohead
4. Fountains of Wayne (groundswell vote from 30-something English majors who still aren't sure about this hip-hop thing, though I like the record okay)
5. Yeah Yeah Yeahs
6. Ryan Adams
7. Strokes
8. 50 Cent
9. Jay-Z (maybe higher -- hard to get a read)
10. Basement Jaxx

singles will be "Crazy in Love" -- " In Da Club" -- "Hey Ya" in some order.

I'll probably vote for 3 (maybe 4) of that top 10.

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Friday, 21 November 2003 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

frank the new single
from ying yang twins: "salt shaker"!
still not the "hanh" though

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 21 November 2003 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Turns out that "Savage Journey" is two or three years old by now, though maybe'll be included on the album that SRC is going to put out soon, which will give the guy major distribution. The song is even more beautiful and almost as eerie as David Banner's "Cadillac On 22s" - maybe Grandaddy Souf anticipated the David Banner sound, though there could well be a common source that I don't know about.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 22 November 2003 03:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Amazon doesn't show a PJ Harvey album coming out - did it get delayed?

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 22 November 2003 04:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd really like to see Ted Leo's Hearts of Oak get the trad power pop nod over Fountains of Wayne.

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 22 November 2003 04:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, not that I actually vote in this thing but damn does Bubba Sparxxx deserve to be in the Top 10. (plug plug)

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 22 November 2003 04:19 (twenty-two years ago)

We need a thread where non-media types cast mock P&J ballots. (Then lobby for their inclusion.)

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 22 November 2003 04:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought this was that thread.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 22 November 2003 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

Have Pazz & Jop ballots gone out yet? Does anyone know?

― DX, Monday, 29 December 2003 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes. They have.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 29 December 2003 22:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I will be amazed if the Basement Jaxx album finishes top 10. (maybe 20. maybe. and it's my number two.)

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 29 December 2003 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)

#2? What did I miss?

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 29 December 2003 22:39 (twenty-two years ago)

How happy am I that Kish Kash is Greg Kot's #3!

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 29 December 2003 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm suckering out by making Triple R's Friends a "late-breaking" no. 1

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 29 December 2003 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Rats, I never got a ballot. Chuck let me down! :(
The state of Idaho goes ballot-less yet again.

Matos, you work in Seattle, right? I'm in Boise at The Idaho Statesman (but also write reviews for The Washington Post).
Do you think Maktub is a fair choice, considering that the album originally came out in 2002 and was reissued on Velour in 2003? I, for some reason, really like that album a lot.

― M Deeds, Monday, 29 December 2003 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sticking Jaxx at #1 and I stand by that. (I also still stand by my choice of Walking With Thee as '02 #1, but that's another matter.)

It will be a total Baby Jesus Miracle if Kish Kash beats that bloated Outkast disaster, though.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 29 December 2003 22:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I likely would have voted for Basement Jaxx, too.
Dang it. I'm disappointed to be excluded; I'd really given my top 10 a lot of thought. ...

― M Deeds, Monday, 29 December 2003 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

simon trife got a ballot after all.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 29 December 2003 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Uh, was The Minesweeper Suite released too early in 2002 for me to put on this year's top 10?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 29 December 2003 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)

no, but it probably won't get enough points for late-breaking status either.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 29 December 2003 23:31 (twenty-two years ago)

It meant more to me than any other album I listened this year, so fuck it, it's in.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 29 December 2003 23:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Outkast, Outkast and Outkast will win. They will become the new Arrested Development if someone doesn't end the music-crit Outkast-jock-bouncing soon.

― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:37 (twenty-two years ago)

White Stripes all the way in albums, "Hey Ya" I'm afraid in singles.

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Dammit, hearing that makes me desperate to get ahold of Mr. Eddy.
Please, a ballot! Please!
:)

― M Deeds, Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

My bet is that the Postal Service finishes WAY higher than Jaxx (or any "electronic" album)

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:58 (twenty-two years ago)

This IS the year for wimpy singers with beats, after all.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 01:23 (twenty-two years ago)

In fact, I'm starting a rumor that Paul Simon is gonna hook up with that guy from Four Tet after that Simon & Garfunkel tour is over.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 01:28 (twenty-two years ago)

NIGHTMARES, Michael! NIGHTMARES!

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 01:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Thing is, all these rock(ist) crits making Outkast their token hip-hop pick are obscuring the fact that it really is a good record.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 02:44 (twenty-two years ago)

(Sadly, the blurb for Speakerboxxx/The Love Below on my top 10 comes off as very defensive.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 02:45 (twenty-two years ago)

jaymc = OTM (if you pretend he's talking about Stankonia or Aquemini)

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 03:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Ummm... Arrested Development were shite and OutKast are good.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 03:29 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

So it comes out tomorrow, right? Or next week? Predictions? Here's a guess at the top 15.

1. Outkast -- Speakerboxxx/Love Below
2. White Stripes -- Elephant
3. Fountains of Wayne -- Welcome Interstate Managers
4. Yeah Yeah Yeahs -- Fever to Tell
5. Radiohead -- Hail to the Thief
6. The Postal Service -- Give Up
7. Jay-Z -- The Black Album
8. The Strokes -- Room on Fire
9. Warren Zevon -- The Wind
10. Damien Rice -- O
11. 50 Cent -- Get Rich or Die Tryin'
12. Mars Volta -- De-Loused in the Comatorium
13. Led Zeppelin -- How the West Was Won
14. Lucinda Williams -- World Without Tears
15. The Shins -- Chutes Too Narrow

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

No Ratpure in the top 15, eh?

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe i underestimate the voters, but i doubt it. actually, shins could be swapped out for new pornographers... i'll just make TNP my #16 instead.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I was just about to ask about them...

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm leaning towards it placing fairly high, myself; I also included New Pornographers too, so. We should start a thread as soon as it comes out for us to post all of our comments; I'm still not 100% sure mine got through because I was having massive DSL connection problems at the time. Oh well.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, i'd like to see what people submitted. i didn't have time to write any comments this year.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Do we know for sure it's tomorrow? It was this week last year.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Just checking:

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― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

>>1. Outkast -- Speakerboxxx/Love Below
2. White Stripes -- Elephant
3. Fountains of Wayne -- Welcome Interstate Managers
4. Yeah Yeah Yeahs -- Fever to Tell
5. Radiohead -- Hail to the Thief
6. The Postal Service -- Give Up
7. Jay-Z -- The Black Album
8. The Strokes -- Room on Fire
9. Warren Zevon -- The Wind
10. Damien Rice -- O
11. 50 Cent -- Get Rich or Die Tryin'
12. Mars Volta -- De-Loused in the Comatorium
13. Led Zeppelin -- How the West Was Won
14. Lucinda Williams -- World Without Tears
15. The Shins -- Chutes Too Narrow<<

A couple of these finished below Top 30; one of them finished below the top 40. Three more finished outside of the top 15. Another one finished nine places HIGHER than the prediction above. Three of the above positions are exactly right, but I'm not going to say which ones. It'll all be common knowledge by tomorrow afternoon, though. Heh.

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

so zeppelin is fourth then, huh?

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

You should predict singles, too; that was fun!

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Another one finished nine places HIGHER than the prediction above.
FITTY CEN @ #2 OMG WTF?

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

No, I think Yancey's right about Led Zep. My thought was that it was fairly low, too, Sean.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Singles (totally off the top of my head):

1. Outkast, "Hey Ya"
2. Beyonce, "Crazy in Love"
3. 50 Cent, "In da Club"
4. Sean Paul, "Get Busy"
5. Outkast, "The Way You Move"
6. Justin Timberlake, "Cry Me a River"
7. Christina Aguilera, "Beautiful"
8. Snoop Dogg f. Neptunes, "Beautiful"
9. Yeah Yeah Yeahs, "Maps"
10. Chingy, "Right Thurr"

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Damien Rice in stunning P&J upset!

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I bet it's the Shins at #6. Don't forget the bands that topped the list last year.

― o. nate (onate), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

i am way way more excited about this year than last year even though a war between wilco and (nu)outkast is enough to make me vomit my lungs into my lap

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:35 (twenty-two years ago)

white stripes r the nu wilco?

i'm guessing damien rice is oughtta the top 40 then. thank god. one of the worst records i heard all year.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)

>>1. Outkast, "Hey Ya"
2. Beyonce, "Crazy in Love"
3. 50 Cent, "In da Club"
4. Sean Paul, "Get Busy"
5. Outkast, "The Way You Move"
6. Justin Timberlake, "Cry Me a River"
7. Christina Aguilera, "Beautiful"
8. Snoop Dogg f. Neptunes, "Beautiful"
9. Yeah Yeah Yeahs, "Maps"
10. Chingy, "Right Thurr"<

Two of the top five singles in the actual poll are not listed above. One of the above singles didn't even make the top 40. Only three of the above singles actually made the actual top ten. Two of the placements are exactly right. The two that are exactly right do not have the same title as each other, though the higher of the two songs above with the same title as one of the other ones did indeed finish higher in the actual poll than the other one of that title. Heh heh.

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Chuck, you're enjoying this, aren't you?

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Predict The Top 10 ILX Posters Who Get Most Comment Time!

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

this is like using a ouijia board or something.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Oops - I made a mistake! Actually, the higher of the two songs above with the same title as one of the other ones did indeed NOT finish higher in the actual poll than the other one of that title. Sorry to mislead the many people paying attention to that valuable piece of information!

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha, I bet I'm totally in the bottom ten there.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

so what two top five singles did i forget? help!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

(haha xpost with tom: i like how in nov 2002 chuck told me that would be the last time more than one ilx'or appeared in a single issue: LITTLE DID HE KNOW.)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

it's two warren zevon songs isn't it.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I predict Chuck was inundated with comments about Liz Phair.

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Two of the top five singles in the actual poll are not listed above.

My money's on "Ignition (Remix)" and "Where is the Love?"

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

"Seven Nation Army" and "Get Low"?

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

xpost Ignition Remix duh.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

"get low" clearly top 10.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

also "ignition (remix)"!!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

this could be the best singles list since 99!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm also betting that "Stacy's Mom" is in the top 10.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

ignition remix and seven nation army obviously. i's dumb. also, i bet "beware of the boys" is top ten.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

stacey's mom OTM. someone revise da list!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

this could be the best singles list since 99!
-- strongo hulkington (dubplatestyl...), February 9th, 2004. (dubplatestyle) (later) (admin) (172.159.235.123)

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I'm also betting that "Stacy's Mom" is in the top 10.
-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), February 9th, 2004. (jaymc) (later) (admin) (63.238.249.3)

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

ya think "milkshake" was too late?

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

damn you jaymc!!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha, I had the same thought that Tico Tico did after I wrote that!

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

this is like one of those stupid intelligence tests that I always failed as a kid, convincing me that I wasn't all that smart after all.

I think that #1 and #2 must be right, which cheeses me off because I thought "Crazy in Love" might prevail after all. I owe somebody some money.

― Begs2Differ, Monday, 9 February 2004 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

'03 absolutely was the best year for singles since '03 ... TONS of great ones. Though '99 may be the best singles year ever, or at least very competitive with like '90 ("U Can't Touch This" AND "Ice Ice Baby"); 1984 ("Private Dancer," "When Doves Cry, "Dancing in the Dark," "Lucky Star" -- yeah, pretty fuckin' good); 1977 (Bee Gees Nation); 1969 (Easy Rider, Tommy, CCR); and 1967 (Beatles, Hendrix, Mamas/Papas)

― Chris O., Monday, 9 February 2004 18:36 (twenty-two years ago)

>>'03 absolutely was the best year for singles since '03\<<

Hard to argue with that one. In fact, it was absolutely the best year for singles since '02, too! Um...it WAS pretty great, overall. As were most of those other years. Though it seems a little odd to single out *Easy Rider* and that piece of shit *Tommy* (??????) in the year that "Dizzy" and "Sugar, Sugar" and "Honky Tonk Women" and "Wedding Bell Blues" and "Suspicious Minds" (not to mention "In the Year 2525," the first single I ever bought!) all went number one.

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I am very often of the opinion that "Wedding Bell Blues" is the finest pop single ever written. Then I remember "I Can't Stand the Rain" and "She's Not There."

― Begs2Differ, Monday, 9 February 2004 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

based on Chuck's hints, I'm guessing this, though I have no confidence in what will finish third and suspect a huge gap between #2 and #3:

1. White Stripes
2. Outkast
3. Radiohead
4. Fountains of Wayne
5. Yeah Yeah Yeahs
6. Shins
7. Jay-Z
8. 50 Cent
9. Zevon
10. Basement Jaxx (Matos is happily wrong!)

Drive-by Truckers Top 20

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Matos knows a lot more than he can tell.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

No WAY will White Stripes beat OutKast. I'd be willing to put all my credibility on the line to back this up, but I don't have any credibility.

― Begs2Differ, Monday, 9 February 2004 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

the prediction lists are getting warmer. yet also colder, oddly enough.

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

wait -- if I read Chuck's singles comments correctly, then "Hey Ya!"/"In Da Club"/"Crazy in Love" didn't all make top 3?

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmm, yeah, using my trusty logic skillz, you seem to be correct. I thought that would be a given, and I thought Yancey's order (Outkast, Beyonce, 50) would be, too.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

[[whistles idly]]

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

i love that this thread has become mastermind - the pazz n jop edition

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

(with eddy as mastermind and matos as his comely plaything)

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Photoshop plz.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)

singles:

1. "Hey Ya!"
2. "In Da Club"
3. "Seven Nation Army"
4. "Crazy in Love"
5. "Ignition (Remix)"
6. "Stacy's Mom"
7. "Where is the Love?"
8. "Get Low"
9. "Move Your Feet"
10. "Danger! High Voltage"

"Maps" is the one outside the top 40.

Wait -- did Dizzee make top 10?

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)

oooh, oooh, I vote Missy Elliott in the top five/ten singles? "Pass That Dutch"?

― Begs2Differ, Monday, 9 February 2004 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

i think right thurr is the one outside the top 40

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Chris -- I'd switch 50 and Beyonce. I'd also replace "Danger! High Voltage!" with "Milkshake." Otherwise, not bad guesses.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

albums, I meant, on Dizzee

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

LOTS of U.S. critics are only hearing Dizzee in the past month; there's no way he can score Top 10.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Many of the recent predictions on this thread, though not all of them, are accurate, or at least nearly so.

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Bonus prediction question: How high will Dizzee Rascal's album finish NEXT year???

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 20:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Dizzee will get shafted by the year disparity and only make like top 30 next year. Unless he does another album this year, because that will be released here immediately.

General Question:
"Chuck Eddy: Overall, are you happy or sad or angry or satisfied or whatever with this year's poll results? Does it restore your faith in critical democracy or make you want to eat your own heart in the window of CBGB?"

― Begs2Differ, Monday, 9 February 2004 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Even better bonus question: What artists put more than one album and/or more than one single in this year's top 40 lists?

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha not the grey album surely!

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you counting guest spots on singles, Chuck?

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:06 (twenty-two years ago)

(for that bonus question, I mean)

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:06 (twenty-two years ago)

off the top of my head, the only double-album contender I can think of is David Banner

singles:
Electric Six
Outkast
50 Cent
White Stripes

oh -- and I forgot "Beware of the Boys" -- that'll replace "Danger High Voltage" on my singles predictions

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Decemberists, more than one album, I'm guessing.

― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)

>>General Question: "Chuck Eddy: Overall, are you happy or sad or angry or satisfied or whatever with this year's poll results? Does it restore your faith in critical democracy or make you want to eat your own heart in the window of CBGB?"<<

Whatever. I.e., I like a lot of the albums and singles that finished but I think the lists display a distinct lack of other albums and singles that I also like. I myself voted for only one album that finished (and another that placed between 40 and 50), and for three singles that finished (though they were admittedly my three favorite singles of the year). So several records did indeed get the shaft, though perhaps understandably if I was the only person who got to hear them. In addition, stoner metal and dark metal deserved to do a whole lot better than they did, but I can't really complain since I didn't vote for any of that stuff myself.

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)

singles:

1. 'Beware of the Boys'
2. 'Get Low'
3. 'Get Low'
4. 'Get Low'
5. 'Get Low'
6. 'Get Low'
7. 'Get Low'
8. 'Get Low'
9. 'Get Low'
10. 'Get Low'

― geeta (geeta), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

>Are you counting guest spots on singles, Chuck?<<

Er...I am NOW, I guess.

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Albums: David Banner?
Singles: Ludacris? ("Stand Up," guest spot on "Gossip Folks") Lil Jon/Ying Yang Twins?

― Begs2Differ, Monday, 9 February 2004 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

banner x-post

― Begs2Differ, Monday, 9 February 2004 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Here's some more guesses for multiple singles:

Beyonce, "Crazy in Love" and "Baby Boy"
Justin Timberlake, "Cry Me a River" and "Rock Your Body"
Sean Paul, "Get Busy" and either "Baby Boy" or "Like Glue"
Missy Elliott, "Gossip Folks" and "Pass That Dutch"
Pharrell Williams, "Frontin'" and "Beautiful"

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)

And I have a hard time thinking that multiple albums by the same artist finished in the top 40, but if so, I think Decemberists are a better bet than Banner.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

if so, I think Decemberists are a better bet than Banner

the prospect of that hurts me in my heart

― geeta (geeta), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:17 (twenty-two years ago)

no kidding!

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, but for the same reason that we're now picking Shins in the top 10, right?

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

anyone think they name the bottom 5 or 10 of the top 40? that's gotta be tougher than the top 10.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I've only heard them in bits and pieces, but there is one Decemberists song I really like.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

"think they name" = "think they CAN name" in my post above, sorry. any predictions for the records that snuck under the line?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

So... how depressingly low did Basement Jaxx get in the singles list? #28? #36?

I already KNOW their album probably didn't crack the top 40.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)

So when does this stupid "Pazz and Jop" thing come out, then?

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Tomorrow!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

why do you post here, mr. snrub?

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Between "Beware of the Boys," "Crazy in Love," "Frontin'," and (prolly not) "Change Clothes," Jay-Z has to have a couple singles, too.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

A new guess:

1. White Stripes
2. Outkast
3. Radiohead
4. Led Zeppelin
5. Fountains of Wayne
6. Yeah Yeah Yeahs
7. Jay-Z
8. Strokes
9. Zevon
10. Lucinda Williams

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Why are we thinking now that White Stripes will be at #1 instead of Outkast?

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)

(I don't remember Chuck hinting at anything to this effect.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)

he said warmer but colder, and that i got three right before. i dunno. i think it's a toss up between them.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:43 (twenty-two years ago)

If Kings of Leon made Top 10 I'll never vote again!

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

seriously -- the internal PnJ race I'm anticipating is the Southern Rock-off between Kings of Leon and Drive-By Truckers, which is as stark a forces of evil vs. forces of good battle as I can imagine.

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

you sure that's not just yr locale talking? no offense, but . . .

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)

oh sure -- but it's still an internal race I'm interested in -- it's a fight for the soul of Southern Rock. There are other genre/regional equivalents I'm sure.

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I suspect the results will be fueling another column for you? (please say yes)

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)

why do you post here, mr. snrub?

Jeez, I was just askin'!

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)

It's quite possible that more than two Southern Rock bands placed albums on the official list. And perhaps if an artist were to place two albums among the top 40, that artist would be someone other than the Decembrists or David Banner, who may or may not have done so themselves. (The idea that the former is better in any way whatsoever than the latter, however, is the most laughable thing anyone has yet said on this thread.) Additionally, a couple more singles that have come up more than once in recent posts did not actually finish in the top 40, though I am not at liberty to say which ones, assuming I remember.

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 20:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Southern Rock, Chuck? are you The Wire now?

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Dude, nobody said the Decemberists were BETTER than David Banner -- I just said I thought it more plausible that they'd be the ones to have multiple albums in the Top 40. Also, I said that I liked one Decemberists song. I have not, to my knowledge, ever heard David Banner.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

with your Random capitalization of Genre names?

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

It's quite possible that more than two Southern Rock bands placed albums on the official list.

Obv. My Morning Jacket placed, too.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll count OutKast as Southern Rock (haha) and guess they placed too. and possibly Bubba Sparxxx.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

actually, I'm not much of a partisan for Southern Rock, just the Drive-By Truckers. And I sort of loathe Kings of Leon.

(the captialization doesn't seem random to me -- Southern because it's a georgraphically specific "south" and Rock to differentiate Southern Rock from rock from the South, most of which isn't Southern Rock, but whatever)

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)

And perhaps if an artist were to place two albums among the top 40, that artist would be someone other than the Decembrists or David Banner

surely it isn't prefuse 73??

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I wonder how Evanescence will do? All the other Grammy Album of the Year nominees are (presumably) PnJ faves.

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, Scott, I thought of Prefuse 73 but that seemed fairly ridiculous. When did that Ryan Adams EP come out?

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I randomly capitalize a lot of things on this board, Michaelangelo! (Though there is nothing at all wrong with capitalizing "Southern.") And Jaymc is absolutely right about me misreading his Decembrists vs. Banner post; I apologize. Though I think he might drastically overrate the critical backing of at least one of the above regardless.

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)

do people like andrew lloyd webber nu-metal? i'm not sure.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)

When did that Ryan Adams EP come out?

oh dear god, that's got to be it.

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Evanescence: Southern rock that isn't Southern Rock.

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

it was the Rock, not the Southern, that amused me

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Ryan Adams? Twice? The horror. I'd vote for that answering machine message, though.

To banish this horrible thought, I'll second scott's prefuse 73 speculation (since I was about to xpost the same thing).

― Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Though I think he might drastically overrate the critical backing of at least one of the above regardless.

Haha, this statement isn't even veiled in any way.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Re: the two albums placing speculation. What about Viktor Vaughn/King Geedorah?

― o. nate (onate), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Perhaps posters here should also consider the possibility that somebody placed albums on the top 40 as a principle member of two different acts, in addition to whoever might have placed two different albums on the list under the same artist name. Assuming anybody did. And another possibility that nobody seems to have considered is that one or more of the albums might not have any words on them.

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 21:17 (twenty-two years ago)

The actual P&J results should clearly be published in equally cryptic form -- the Voice could have a puzzles page and spread it out over a full year!

― Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

oh wow Voodoo Child and the Moby B-sides thing charted, cool!

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah Paul in SC, this is like a Musto blind-items column: "what saucy indie rocker was last seen..."

― Begs2Differ, Monday, 9 February 2004 21:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Is the Dean less depressed this year?

― The Mighty Chickadee, Monday, 9 February 2004 21:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Let's just say there's a war. And an election. And stuff.

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Perhaps posters here should also consider the possibility that somebody placed albums on the top 40 as a principle member of two different acts

Ben Gibbard?!

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)

scott pl. maybe OTM.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)

call scott pl. "Salmon P. Chase" because I bet he's on the fuckin' money

― Begs2Differ, Monday, 9 February 2004 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha, I was just about to post that, Scott.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

this is like a Musto blind-items column: "what saucy indie rocker was last seen..."

This is why this thread has been fun...

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Ben Gibbard is bittersweet, intimate, earnest.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Chuck, you're worse than my mom at Christmas! Three days before the day, she'd say, "Go ahead and open a present."

"But Mom, I don't want to--I want to wait till Christmas."

"I can't stand it anymore! Just open one."

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:27 (twenty-two years ago)

So naturally I did. Sniff.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Stop snorting coke on the job you drug fiend.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I have three kids! I go through this every December!!!

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I never knew there was a $10,000 bill - that is, until now! Thank you ILM!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:30 (twenty-two years ago)

And another possibility that nobody seems to have considered is that one or more of the albums might not have any words on them.

The hell? All I can think of is Bodysong OST!

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Chuck, does that make you . . . a Decemberist?

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I almost made that joke myself, honest!

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I wouldn't put it past you

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:33 (twenty-two years ago)

David, I don't think they make the $10,000 anymore, after the advent of credit, but it's still pretty cool that they exist!

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

People also seem to be forgetting the existence of artists from countries other than England and the United States. (Like for instance Trio, who very deservedly placed with their debut album in 1983.) Not to mention artists who very much enjoy punctuation marks, and artists who like planets, and artists quite fond of redundancy.

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 21:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Sigur Ros? Was that even remotely 2003?

― Begs2Differ, Monday, 9 February 2004 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)

!!!, Neptunes, Yeah Yeah Yeahs? (Do I win anything?)

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:38 (twenty-two years ago)

No No No

― Begs2Differ, Monday, 9 February 2004 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Heh, I was thinking planets = Mars Volta

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, you're totally right! (I voted for them, for crying out loud.)

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Keith -- did the King Sunny Ade conspiracy work?

Sean Paul? Ragga Ragga Ragga!

!!! on the singles list.

Mars Volta has already been mentioned. (doh! Neptunes, sure)

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

People also seem to be forgetting the existence of artists from countries other than England and the United States.

I knew it! Weakerthans at #1!!!

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

still all americans, though.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

M83?

― marcg (marcg), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

t.A.T.U?

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

blur

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait, but I don't understand what these new hints are for, though. Surely this no longer has to do with multiple singles or albums anymore, right?

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Missing country = Canada! Avril "I'm With You"!

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait, aren't Blur British anymore?? (I can never keep up with them.)

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I think they're pan-Africanist now or something

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

They are kings of shitworld.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Ellen Allien, maybe, on the non-US/UK tip.

― o. nate (onate), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Other non-US/UK: Broken Social Scene, Jet, Cafe Tacuba

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

(Although I do have a feeling Chuck means non-English-speaking, in which case only Cafe Tacuba counts. They're the Orchestra Baobab of 2003.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Kinky? (ugh)

― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 9 February 2004 22:00 (twenty-two years ago)

>>M83?<<

BINGO!!!!!! They actually won EVERYTHING!!!!!

Okay, well, maybe not *everything.*

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 22:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah but there's no way Cafe Tacuba makes the top 20.

― Begs2Differ, Monday, 9 February 2004 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

It'd make me very happy to see M83 finish high.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

But how would you feel about it sober?

― o. nate (onate), Monday, 9 February 2004 22:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Sleepy Jackson is Australian, right?

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Monday, 9 February 2004 22:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I should hope Radiohead would finish high in the P&J and get the credit they richly deserve for pushing music--and let's face it, culture as a whole--in intriguing new directions.

― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 9 February 2004 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

It should be noted here that Yeah Yeah Yeahs (and even !!!) may well not be the only local New York bands fond of redundancy. Not sure whether that matters or not, but it certainly is something to consider.

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 22:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Two more riddles: What letter appears on top 40 albums and singles list (among artist and title names both) in the most duplicate or triplcate or quadruplicate configurations, and how many? (For example, oo's, ooo's, and ooooze.) And in a pazz & jop contests this year between exclamation marks and ampersands, who the hell would win?

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm guessing there are at least two xxx-themed groups/albums and maybe three although I can't remember the third.

― Begs2Differ, Monday, 9 February 2004 22:27 (twenty-two years ago)

excuse the typos in my previous post, but you know what i mean. (unless you don't, in which case i guess you're out of luck.)

okay: here's a more serious question: among the top 40 albums, how many hip-hop albums, how many metal albums, and how many country albums place?

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 22:27 (twenty-two years ago)

none of the third unless you count Southern rock, a couple of the second if your definitions are as wide as Stairway to Hell's, lotsa the first.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 9 February 2004 22:35 (twenty-two years ago)

The only country album I could see placing is Red Dirt Road, but I'm not sure it placed top 40.

― Begs2Differ, Monday, 9 February 2004 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

i would like the 2 in the top 40 to be animal collective, but maybe it is the neptunes (clones and p. as a member of something else?)? does that count?

― marcg (marcg), Monday, 9 February 2004 22:44 (twenty-two years ago)

> a couple of the second if your definitions are as wide as Stairway to Hell's,<

But what if they're not? How many albums by bands that MOST people would consider "metal"?

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 23:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Metallica, the Darkness, um... Zeppelin?

― o. nate (onate), Monday, 9 February 2004 23:18 (twenty-two years ago)

>>The only country album I could see placing is Red Dirt Road, but I'm not sure it placed top 40.<<

Can't tell you that. But I will tell you that Red Dirt Road was definitely not the country album that finished highest in the poll.

― chuck, Monday, 9 February 2004 23:19 (twenty-two years ago)

...not while Toby Keith walks the earth?

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 9 February 2004 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)

And surely Johnny Cash's American IV: The Man Comes Around has to be right up there.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 9 February 2004 23:31 (twenty-two years ago)

It'd make me very happy to see M83 finish high.

I'd be a bit astounded (not for the reasons you might think).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 February 2004 23:31 (twenty-two years ago)

(sympathy vote, late 2002 issue, reissue with the DVD blah blah)

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 9 February 2004 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Christ, Raggett, now you're being as cryptic as Chuck is!

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 February 2004 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

You must be one with the Force.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 February 2004 23:36 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.21stcenturyschools.com/fgorsh6b.JPG

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 9 February 2004 23:44 (twenty-two years ago)

RIDDLE ME THIS, ILX! WHAT DO YOU CALL A THREAD THAT PULLS ITSELF?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 9 February 2004 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Chuck, it has taken every ounce of self-restraint I have to not chime in on this.

Looking forward to the issue tomorrow,

Your erstwhile intern.

― Joseph McCombs, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 05:56 (twenty-two years ago)

OutKast wins Pazz & Jop

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0406/xgautest.php

― slb, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 10:04 (twenty-two years ago)

New thread time?

― Sym (shmuel), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 10:09 (twenty-two years ago)

RIDDLE ME THIS, ILX! WHAT DO YOU CALL A THREAD THAT PULLS ITSELF?

THE MÖBIUS'S THREAD?

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 12:03 (twenty-two years ago)

So who here was the closest?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 12 February 2004 02:24 (twenty-two years ago)

You'll have to trust me, but this was my guess I think circa the November thread revival...

1. The White Stripes, Elephant
2. Fountains of Wayne, Welcome Interstate Managers
3. Radiohead, Hail to the Thief
4. Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Fever to Tell
5. OutKast, Speakerboxxx / The Love Below
6. The New Pornographers, Electric Version
7. 50 Cent, Get Rich or Die Tryin'
8. Elvis Costello, North
9. Jay-Z, The Black Album
10. PJ Harvey, <>
11. The Strokes, Room on Fire
12. Broken Social Scene, You Forgot It In People
13. Led Zeppelin, How the West Was Won
14. Dashboard Confessional, A Mark, A Mission, A Brand, A Scar
15. Beyonce, Dangerously in Love
16. The Shins, Chutes Too Narrow
17. Andrew W.K., The Wolf
18. Basement Jaxx, Kish Kash
19. Rancid, Indestructible
20. Electric Six, Fire
21. Justin Timberlake, Justified
22. Ryan Adams, Rock N' Roll
23. Calexico, Feast of Wire
24. Stephen Malkmus & the Jicks
25. Lucinda Williams, World Without Tears
26. Super Furry Animals, Phantom Power
27. My Morning Jacket, It Still Moves
28. Cat Power, You Are Free
29. Neil Young, Greendale
30. Jay-Z, The Blueprint 2
31. Warren Zevon, The Wind
32. Sean Paul, Dutty Rock
33. The Darkness, Permission to Land
34. The Rapture, Echoes
35. Ted Leo & the Pharmacists, Hearts of Oak
36. Al Green, I Can’t Stop
37. Dizzee Rascal, Boy in da Corner
38. The Mars Volta, De-Loused in the Comatorium
39. Drive-by Truckers, Decoration Day
40. Yo La Tengo, Summer Sun

41-50: Pink, Manitoba, Liz Phair, Kings of Leon, Junior Senior, Prefuse 73, Blur, Four Tet, Grandaddy

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 12 February 2004 02:48 (twenty-two years ago)

my picks in November:

singles will be "Crazy in Love" -- " In Da Club" -- "Hey Ya" in some order.

I'll probably vote for 3 (maybe 4) of that top 10.

-- chris herrington (herringto...), November 21st, 2003.

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Thursday, 12 February 2004 04:29 (twenty-two years ago)

apparently my 41-50 was 9 artists. I'm pretty sure the missing one would have been Rooney

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 12 February 2004 04:55 (twenty-two years ago)

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