Jay Z/ Nas and other hiphop throwdowns...resurrected. Part 4

Indeed, Ess! Did you hear about Chan Marshall joining Disturbing Tha Peace?

also, I'm not saying not being grimy or so-called "real" makes 50 bad, The War Report is one of the most-overated "great" rap records imo.

Also, I haven't heard The War Report for years so I may be distorting what its really like....

i can see the love for Jay-Z a lot more (more evidently amusing, even witty, hollers better, sings even worse) - to give some perspective, but i used to prefer the former for the beats and shit - Jay-Z used to irritate the hell out of me (i didn't even like his skit on 'Crazy In love' at first), go figure - but give me some good Jay-Z album tracks as well, and remind me if 'Who U Wit' is good or not, and if you can where that wonderful backing sample/track to 'Girls Girls Girls' comes from

i've been thinking about actually listening to a full hip hop album for the first time in A LONG TIME lately too, so maybe give me some recommendations (bearing in mind my attitude to and taste in hip hop is pretty much in alignment with Nate's). in fact it's almost scary how few hip hop albums i've heard in full in the last ten years.

Take the risk, yo! The rhymes I was going to use has plain flown out of my head, though

However, I will stump for It Was Written any day! It's super underrated, I didn't think it was a disappointment at all, it just had the misfortune of coming after what, in my mind, is the best rap album ever made....Even though his best metaphor (I Gave You Power) on that album is a quasi-ripoff of Organized Konfusion's Stray Bullet which is better...

stevem, despite what most people will tell you, 'it was written' and 'god's son' are the best nas albums lyrcially, if you want hungry classic queens crack music then 'illmatic' is better but a bit too jazzy. i actually think 'lifestyles ov da poor and dangerous' has better mcing and better beats.

i think nas is better than jay z because i have a feeling i'd get on better with him in real life, i love jay z but i think he'd do my head in after while.

ok i have a question who is better proof vs royce the 5'9"?

But since we talking about 50, I gots to go with Chris Rock. All you hear about 50 is "he got shot 9 times!" hows the record? "HE GOT SHOT 9 TIMES!". Yeah some of the tracks are tight, but most of that is down to production, and yeah he puts down (a few) hot lines but it aint a great album. As for him being hardcore, well, the spits are hardcore, the way he does it aint. If you want hardcore, go with DMX.

But to leave on a high note, heres a little from my man Dizzee Rascal. 19 year old kid from London who just won the Mercury music prize which is a pretty big deal over here.

"more destructive and troublesome than ever/i'll PROBABLY be doing this PROBABLY forever/fellas wanna stop me they'll PROBABLY come together/its PROBABLE they'll stop me/PROBABLY - never"

I'm out like... part 1, part 2 and part 3...

Peace

his new single is a lot more fun if you imagine him yelling "I LOVE DIIICK" instead of the actual chorus. and the video supplants what is usually his overt homoeroticism with ALL OUT GAY PORN ORGY.

1) He basically (w/songs like Rikers Island, Streets of New York, and Talk Like Sex) was the first hardcore gangsta NYC MC.

2) His tragically underrated Live and Let Die (even though it supposedly got butchered in the final release thanx to Ice-T's cop killa) is really the first NYC record to incoporate some of the West Coast sound and gangsta attitude...Bascially, the same thing Biggie did with Ready to Die but 2 years before Biggie came out

3) His flow, voice, lyrics, everything are damn near perfect

http://www.vh1.com/shows/dyn/the_greatest/65574/episode_wildcard.jhtml?wildcard=/shows/dynamic/includes/wildcards/the_greatest/50hip_hop/1_50_aux.jhtml&event_id=864597

look for yourself....Salt n Pepa is in the top 10, that's all I'll say (and Arrested Development made the fucking list!)

50 Cent isn't trying to sound hard.

I love everything I've heard by Foxy (which is two songs, maybe).

1. Run-D.M.C.

2. Public Enemy

3. 2Pac

4. The Notorious B.I.G.

5. LL Cool J

6. Eminem

7. Dr. Dre

8. Grandmaster Flash

9. Salt-N-Pepa

10. Jay-Z

11. Beastie Boys

12. Wu-Tang Clan

13. NWA

14. P. Diddy

15. Missy Elliott

16. Ice-T

17. Fugees / Lauryn Hill

18. Afrika Bambaattaa

19. Nas

20. Eric B & Rakim

21. Outkast

22. KRS-One

23. DMX

24. Queen Latifah

25. Snoop Dogg

26. Ice Cube

27. A Tribe Called Quest

28. Busta Rhymes

29. Nelly

30. Will Smith / D.J. Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh

31. Naughty By Nature

32. Cypress Hill

33. De La Soul

34. Lil' Kim

35. Big Daddy Kane

36. Master P

37. The Roots

38. Biz Markie

39. Ja Rule

40. Gang Starr

41. MC Lyte

42. Kurtis Blow

43. Coolio

44. MC Hammer

45. Heavy D. & The Boyz

46. Eve

47. Arrested Development

48. Kool Moe Dee

49. Tone Loc

50. Sugarhill Gang

I think when I say that an MC is "real" I really mean "I like his music" and when I say an MC is fake I really mean "I don't like his music" Also, when it comes down to it, who cares if it's so real it's beyond fake or whatever, as long as it's good?

Sorry if what I wrote is a bit schematic, or glib; I'm trying to be concise. Anyway, the paradox is profound, and it's not going to disappear, because it has strong causes and deep roots. A Jewish poet enslaved in Babylon wrote "For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song/And they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying/'Sing us one of the songs of Zion'/But how can we sing the Lord's song/In a strange land?" So anyone who's made complicit in his own oppression (and few aren't) might feel that death is more honest than mirth, self-destruction more real than a song. "Let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth." But in music the cliché is getting increasingly wrung dry. Eminem can still wrest great poetry out of it, but for most it's become a tired trope, albeit one that can still kill them. The term "hardcore" deserves to dodder off to its grave, whether it's punk, rave, hip-hop, or porn.

Okay also on this real thing frank I think yr right that the "real" is a construct but the point is to grasp it not wish it away. Then you can play with it, coz see we GOTTA thing about the real otherwise what's the point of the music. DMX doesn't rock the thug image, but its like jess quipped he's emo. I mean he ties the "pain" of being an entertainer to the "pain" of hard streets like I love that "X put in years of work and its ALL FOR THE KIDS" line in X Gonna Give It To Ya.

still i think that its sorta utopian to ask that we eliminiate "the real" from pop and its discourse. i mean it seems to be the only thing pop is about. i mean doesn't arguing about "real" map onto arguing about "real hip-hop" map onto arguing about GENRE boundaries which I thought we agreed was part of the vital life of music in the FIRST PLACE?

Which I wasn't suggesting that we do. Sorry Sterling, you're one of the brightest men on here, but I can't think of a more boring response to what I wrote than to decide that I'm saying that "the real" is a construct and that "the real" should be eliminated from pop and its discourse. O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be that subjects you to interminable irrelevant talk about the real being a social construct.

All I got to say is I PUT Y'ALL NIGGAS UP ON JADAKISS!

I was gonna try and read everyone who posted, but I got bored so I'll go to three of the topics I saw...

Whoever said they wanted to spit, I say... SPIT! If you seen any of the earlier shit from Bob or even Squirrel Police, you can easily do better than that. In fact, watch me: "I'm a poet, bout to show it, don't you know it?" See? Thanks to Boob and Squirlplise, that's not the worse line spat!

Now, let's not even get to our favorite MCs! Dammit, my PERSONAL list would go 2Pac, Pimp C of UGK, Big Boi of Outkast, Andre "Ice Cold" 3000, and Juicy J of Three 6. But that's DA SOUTH in me. If I had to list the top five MCs UNBIASED it would go 2Pac, BIG, Eminem, Jay-Z, and Outkast. But tell the truth, A3K fucks it up on "Hey Ya!" You know you like it.

Finally, 50 Cent's album is nice. Like 3:16 (U Never Imagined This Evil Dilemma... my neezy), I agree it's at least 60% production - it's Dre, dammit - but 50 still be havin me rollin. He's nice, definitely nowhere near Pac or Big or even Jay-Z, and sellin like crazy. And simply, his album is just mad nice. Mad nice.

All right, I'm gone.

I'm out like part 1, 2, and... oops, my bad 3:16... Peace!

'i don't like much rap
except dmx because
he's kind of a goth'

Yo, trife, cousin, I gotta admit that Lil Flip is hilarious. And Pastor Troy do come out with a few songs I like. But Troy sucks. His whole career was built off dissin No Limit for absolutely no reason other than to make a name for himself. He even said that was why! How gay is that? TI has very nice CD. Rubber Band Man is my cut. But on King of Da South he says, "Ain't but 5 rappers bustin out Atlanta and I'm one of em." Who are the other 5? One has to be Outkast. So that would leave 3 and there are many other Atlanta artists.

DMX's first CD was extremely nice. I think with all the BIG/Jay-Z/Nas Illmatic/Reasonable Doubt/Ready to Die is a classic first album, DMX gets lost in the midst. It's Dark is quite frankly better than Illmatic and Ready to Die COMBINED if you ask me and it is better than Reasonable Doubt, even though RD is mad nice. But I think Earl will never match It's Dark cause he came out too hard for any of his other albums to come close.

All right, I'm gone.

I'm out like Styles run. Peace!

(Yall know that line is wrong, it's just wrong! I appologize to Cookie [Magic Johnson's wife] :P)

What's good people? Glad to be back. Let me address a few topics...

I won't even go there with Hillis saying "It's dark & Hell is Hot" is better than Ready To Die, RD & Illmatic combined!! You must really wanted to get a rise out of someone to say that. Cause I know you honestly don't think that. It's Dark is a great album, but I strongly disagree with it being better then RD, Ready To Die & Illmatic combined.

This 50 Cent craze that sweaped the nation didn't surprise me one bit. I think Star from the Star & Bucwild show said it best. There is a reason the nigga got a Million Dollar contract. the Eminem Connection helped him pushed units. Along to coincide with that, was the fact middle America is intrigued with his story, suburbia wants to be like him. The beef with Ja Rule arising to commercialism. Then lets not forget his loyal following in the Underground scene since 1999. It all calculated to him being the next big thing. But what surprised me was his work ethic after the album success. He's been blazing up the airwaves along with the Underground at the same time. I'm not a true fan of him necessarily. But I did like "Power Of The Dollar," also a few joints off of "50 Cent Is The Future" & "No Mercy, No Fear" ... funny stuff in there. I'm kinda past the whole thing with 50 being the next big thing. Now I'm Patiently Waiting on his nigga Lloyd Banks to drop his solo album. IMHO, I think he's better then 50 Cent and outshines him on 80% of the tracks they have done together. Sooner or later I see Lloyd breaking out from them. I've already heard they have had fights backstage, and in the studio. It's just a matter of time before the other G-Unit members will realize he's batter, then they will want him out.

You guys have probably heard or seen Cassidy beat the shit in that (Pre-Write) battle against Freeway. I know a whole bunch of niggas ain't sleeping on him now since that battle. But I have a feeling his destine to be that next nigga. Not like a 50 Cent or a Jay-z, but more of a gutter success like Jadakiss or Styles P. He has Swizz on the boards backing him up. He has a hot bed of RR talent waiting to blaze a track up with him. He's proved he can rhyme already. It's just to him to convert himself from a punchline rapper to rapper who can handle it in the booth. A lot of niggas can rap, but they can't be professional in the booth. But I got my eye on him.

Finally, I'm proud to see at least a few regulars back here. Maybe there is a second run in store for the "Hip-Hop Throwdown" ...We can't call it the "Jay-z vs. Nas Hip-Hop Throwdown" anymore. I feel we have grown out of that converse, I consider this a community more so than a single topic. We are more than just battles & disses... WE ARE HIP-HOP.

50s underground mixes just keep gettin bigger and bigger, his last one had more famous guests than his actual album, luda, neptunes, sean paul... whats he doin?? i agree lloyd banks is a tight mc but i dont know if hes got the star power of his g unit leader... as for 50 he should just release a best of from all his mixes as a major label release, it would be killin most rappers albums out right now.

cassidy seems aight so far, not great yet but i think hes got something, i just started another thread on ilxor.com about his song with jada and im feelin both their verses hard plus the beat is niiiice. still havent heard his battle with freeway but id believe he won it, freeway is kinda a pussy rapper, he tries to be ghost with distressed vocal shit and i like him sometimes but hes not the greatest battle mc. i think its time for more street talent in the game, styles p isnt that gully though lately hes more on a pop tip with that i get high like hippies afroman type shit!! i was feeling his song with kim though, nice verse. and cass is a good at punchlines but hes still not on jadas level, remember his verse on the lox song 'recognize' where he comes with one just classic line after another:

'aint none of yall better than lox / have all yall dressed up in a suit dead in a box / me and my niggas get redder than foxx / i dont care if i love you, still want head of the drop / niggas runnin round talkin that y2k shit / crackheads still gon want that gray shit / thats why ima always cop the yay quick / so i suggest all of yall stay on jay dick / too hard for mtv, not black enough for bet, just let me be / gimme all my royalty money and let me greed / ima have hoes for six, and hash for three'

aight im done! man thats a long post, i dont got a real sign-off yet like most of yall do, what should i come up with?? let me try one... yo im gone like b from jiggas arm after the black album drops!!! that was corny... peace yall

i'm from the hood where the dropouts is banging for the feeling
for houses with tvs hanging from the ceilings
we gamble on ball courts
keep the paint peeling
you either play ball or rap if you ain't dealing
i'm stuck in the past
shit changed since the 80s
i know ladies, that got babies with babies
out here its basketball and speedbags
and guns that'll stiffen you up like freeze tag

niggas know I'm hot
but my ice cold enough to freeze whole towns
still follow the code: gs up, hoes down
i see you ballin and your rocks is chilly
now, my g-unit niggas dont ride bikes that don't pop a wheelie
i aint straight 'til i'm livin where it's hot and sandy
and the benz's complexion is cotton candy
i bounced up, here's the best part
you niggas don't know what pain is
the only scar on your body's a stretch mark

i like that. but he doesn't have the charisma and the delivery. 50 and tony aren't as good at the kind of stuff that lloyd does but i'd rather hear them. and he definitely never outshines them!

DK, did you buy that new Lloyd Banks album "Mo Money In The Bank" last week? If not, you need to get that cause you'll be convince the dude is better than 50. Ever since 50 took that bullet to the face he's kinda lost his delivery is off too. And for some dumb reason he seems to be rapping high pitched with his voice when he raps now on some parts of the song. I got that freestyle he did on Hot97 with him, Buck & Banks. He just kept jumping off the High-Hat of the beat and started doing this light voice delivery on the record. It threw him way off the beat plus it sounded gay. 50 is too goofy right now to be taken really serious, Lloyd is still hungry. You are right, 50 will still be the most successful, but Lloyd is where its at.

Trife, don't get it twisted. I ain't saying Cass got anything on Jada (Cause we know Jada still got it). I'm just saying the dude has potential like a Jadakiss or a Styles P. Their career paths are almost parallels with Jada spawning from the Lox, and Cass coming from Larceny. Then their style is similar, but Jada is still running things as far as punchlines. But Cass is making noise too. Also by the way, not only did Cass beat Freeway in that battle, but he had the dude sounding like he was crying, it was hilarious! Since we are on the subject of young rappers. I wonder how do yall feel about Team Arliss? I got mixed feelings about them, but I think D-Block will mold them into some real stars. I like their freestyles, but I hear a lot of people dissing them saying they are shitty.

By the way any of you want that Freestyle with G-Unit on Hot 97 (50 also disses Lil' Kim in there). Or if you want both parts of the Freestyle battle between Cassidy & Freeway, holla at me. I'm at awhollywood0838@cs.com, the files are compressed down to a very small MP3 file size. I enhanced the G-Unit Freestyle since it was taped off the radio. So it's probably the best quality you'll find on the net. Anyways I'm out people.

Let me clear up a misunderstanding. I think that It's Dark is only better than Ready to Die and Illmatic combined. And I'm not tryin to provoke nobody with that statement. Come on, now. If I wanted to provoke people it would be very clear. Y'all know me. I only like 2 cuts on Illmatic and 3 on Ready to Die. Now Reasonable Doubt is real nice. I think It's Dark is better but not by as much. If we added the few songs I like on Ill and R2D plus Reasonable Doubt, then they're all better than It's Dark, true. But Ready to Die is weak and Illmatic is even weaker in my opinion.

HOW BOUT THEM VOLS???!!! H*WOOD, where's all the FLA talk now???!!!

LMAO @ Freeway sounds like he's crying... I thought he made that feelin music? lol

P.S. Scared of blood like Magic's wife... HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

I'm out like the Gators. Peace!

hillis, man, what joints on ready to die and illmatic are you feelin? when i listen to either i only skip maybe one track on each, 'respect' on bigs cd and sometimes 'one time 4 your mind' on nas. seriously , only three good cuts on ready to die?? shit, what about 'warning', 'one more chance', 'big poppa', 'juicy', 'unbelieveable', thats just the singles!! then you got classic album tracks like 'me & my bitch', 'the what', and 'things done changed', and same thing for the nas cd, you got to explain your shit man! its dark and hell is hot has like five or six ok songs and the rest is wack, dont tell me you ever really want to play 'ruff ryders anthem' again?? i can only really listen to 'for my dogs' and 'x is coming', thats it. speaking of for my dogs any of yall heard the new drag-on shit, i always thought he was nice on that and i copped this new ruff ryders promo cd called 'south beach' with all songs from his upcoming cd plus some other wack new mcs and that jin song from 2 fast 2 furious... anyway i was never feeling drag before, i liked his song 'fireman' on cradle 2 the grave but i didnt know he was doin a bunch of shit that was all crazy like that but his new songs are TIGHT, drag comes with nicer lyrics than i ever heard from him before and the beats are all wild, if its got all the songs i heard already on it his cd is gonna be one of the best of the year.

im gonna end with a song i bet yall slept on, two verses from '5 seconds' off the roscoe cd :

a stack of doe with some doe doe to roll fat
im a top notch nigga, handle a cock grippa
cut your arm off to get to the watch quicka
not tryin to do it all, cant see juvie hall
too many booty calls my nigga, duty calls
im used to ditching classes roamin through the halls
i run wit the young assassins, thats where i belong

im scopin so many sheep in wolves clothin, it's pitiful
analyze the situation, hypocritical, cynical criminals indespicable individuals
supplyin the heat rock bumpin through yo digital
whenever you dippin through the ghetto
whippin the six two chevy, blowin heavy, goin seventy
wit one hand on the steering wheel tryin to hold it steady
hittin the switch
cuz only dogg pound gangstas
can spit it like this

ok im out like q tip when he does his primetime barbara walters special next year, just wait!! man, corny again hahaha....

As far as this 50 thing, I keep hearing "How To Rob" getting mentioned. You guys maybe never caught on to his unreleased album "Power of The Dollar" but that is probably the best work 50 has ever done, but yet to never get released. I feel it is better than "Get Rich..." actually I would say Trackmasters did a better job in production than Em, Sha Money, Dre & Megahertz COMBINED! Get Rich was really just a goofy song, but that is a far cry from what's on the album. I mean he had Destiny's Child singing about thug love on that album?? That has to get a few spins! LOL. I'm gonna drop my E-mail once again by yall to get a little sample of what I am talking about: awhollywood0838@cs.com
If you not feeling it, then I'll leave it alone.

About this thing with 50 dissing Lil' Kim. All he did Qool, was freestyle saying he wrote Magic Stick, and made it a hit. And said why should he care about her emotions for not doing the video, and said and I quote: "Why should I care about your emotions Your not my bitch!" That was pretty much just his night to diss everyone. He went at Shyne, A-Team & Lil Kim... I'm wondering how can a nigga get in a beef with someone in jail??? He would have continued to diss her and the others, but Funkmaster Flex's dumb ass didn't want him to diss Lil Kim which he considers a friend. He was talking about trying to keep things peaceful and shit... but this is the same nigga who beat the shit out of Steph Lova outside the studio. As if his fat ass was threatened by a female! Whatever.

Hillis, I ain't gonna lie Tennessee played a good game against Florida. But Chris leak & Andre Caldwell (Brother of Reche) is gonna run all over the SEC in a few years. Besides that point I still got Florida State & Miami to root for. When all three go down, I'll just duck & hide from you, LOL!

That line is from Juicy. I like hearin that because when I first heard it, I thought he said, "Super dick in your Sega Genesis" and all my peeps clowned me! Ahh... memories...

But anyway, I hate Juicy as a song. I think it's just a little TOO soft. Not that all songs gotta be murder, kill a beeytch, slap a nigga, drugs here and there, etc. but Juicy was just horrible to me. On Ready to Die, the only cuts I like are The What, Warning, and Big Poppa. I tried to get into a lot of the cuts and "force" myself to like Big Poppa and Gimme the Loot, and all the others, but I just couldn't do it. The WHat and Warning are classics and I think I may be judging the album by Life after Death too much. Now as far as Illmatic goes, I'm just not feelin it. Never was, maybe never will. Right now, I only like The World is Yours and It Ain't Hard to Tell. Now in time, I have found that any random track or album may grow on me. But R2D and Ill haven't done that yet.

All right, I'm gone.

I'm out like the Redskins were after OT. Peace!

I said one of the cuts I tried to force myself to listen to was Big Poppa. I meant One More Chance.

I'm out like typos. Peace!

One of the best lines right now by my boy, Jada:
When it comes to beef, you don't wanna do nothin' but cook.

Nigga, I put you up on that Kiss verse!

I'm out like "he" when beef is more than just cooking. Peace!

to keep up the HIPHOP THROWDOWNS shit in the title, anybody heard that dre verse dissing ja on the new obie trice? the joints called 'shit hits the fan', dre speaks on the shady/murder inc beef:

tell you to suck my dick while im pissin
dont even listen to your shit to know who the fuck im dissin
the media just feeds into these feuds
tryin to add fuel to the fire, this lil nigga ja rule
talkin bout he gon slap me, nigga please
you gotta jump and swing up to hit me in the knees
i laugh at these magazines when they interview em
all they doin is making fake threats to us through em
and pussy, you not pac, i knew him
pac was a real nigga, you just a fuckin insult to him
its too bad we had to fall out before he passed
if he could see this shit now hed be whoopin your ass

damn!!!! im out

Ok, ok, ok, Trife, maybe "soft" wasn't the word I should have used. It's not so much the lyrics or the topic of Juicy that I found soft. It was the beat that was too soft. It just didn't seem to match the tough times he was talkin about. The beat was all soft and gushy and they was singing all perky and he was rappin about struggles. And even though he does say it's still all good and don't let em hold you down and reach for the stars, the beat just didn't seem like it matched. Something with more soul might have been better. Like the beat for Everyday Struggles seemed more appropriate - even though I don't like that song either. My main beef with Ready to Die was Biggie's high delivery and the production was wack. Apart from The What and Warning, everything lacked. And I like Big Poppa simply because it reminds me of high school. And Gimme the Loot is at best "aiight." At best.

Now, your Hey Ya comment kind of leads into my point for postin - Outkast's new double disc. Yeah, Hey Ya is definitely soft, but it's silly and funny and I think the song is SUPPOSED to be soft. But more importantly, Qool said The Wash Post bashed Speakerboxxx/The Love Below...

Well, their review is not surprising. When I first heard Andre's disc, I was livid. The first few tracks of singing I found amusing. But the more I listened, so I was like, "I know this nigga ain't finna sing for 20 tracks!" - even though I knew he was. So after about track 16 I took his CD out in disgust. I like Outkast as rappers! Andre ain't Luther or Teddy! So I threw on Big Boi's CD and found comfort in the Outkast I knew and remembered. I like numerous tracks on there, including (but not limited to) Unhappy, Way You Move, Ghettomuzik, and some others I can't remember the name to.

So I told my review to a few of my boys who are fans like me, and they said they were actually feelin Andre's CD more! I told them I know Andre is off the wall but I could dig his CD more if he rapped at least once or twice. But they told me that Andre does actually rap a few times, so I gave his CD a relisten. I knew that I was gonna have to be in a certain mood to accept Andre's disc and I was finally in it. I must say that the last track ("Incomplete") he does rap and it's tight as hell. There are songs where he does sing and I must admit, even though he ain't Jaheim or Genuwine, they are tight. Happy Valentine's Day and Prototype are my cuts. Roses features Big Boi and it's tight. So I'm diggin both CDs. I'd say if this was one CD, I'd probably say it was 4 1/2 or 5 mics. But as a double disc, I have to add in the cuts I don't feel and give it 4. Of course, who knows? Maybe some more tracks will grow on me and I can force myself to like some others! lol

I read a review of the album that kind of put these discs into proper perspective. It said that this was a chance for both MCs to explore, and more specifically, Andre to go buck wild. It also makes you realize that even though they could succeed on their own, the two of them together is a sight to behold and something I appreciate now even more than I already did.

Now, for you "non Outkast fans" (i.e. Qool and the other three MORONS in the entire world) if one was trying to first give Outkast a listen, this is definitely not the album to do it. I would recommend Aquemini or Southernplayalisticadillacmusik. You have to already be fans of Outkast to appreciate this album. As artists, I think that Outkast makes a strong, and generally successful, attempt at raising the bar and expanding their horizons. Southerplayalistic was a 5 mic classic in EVERY Southerner's opinion and probably the hip hop world in general. Personally, it had everything I look for in an album and on every track. The production is superb, the lyrics are nice, and the skits are classic. Ain't a cat in DA SOUTH who doesn't know where "What? A sack? Nigga, sack deez!" came from. That might be the funniest skit ever - even better than the Madd Rapper on Big's or when Big explains how he shitted on some bitch. But even on Southerplayalistic you could sense Andre brewin up somethin. ATLiens came out and that's a classic, too. At least in DA SOUTH. Big Boi kept it pimp and funk, whereas Andre gave more signs of wildin out. So enter Aquemini. ANOTHER classic, no ifs, ands, or buts. It was wild for 1999 and southern rap but we still can dig it cause they kept the same funk and soul in their beats and music that we, especially as black people, seem to connect to. Now Stankonia went way off the charts and off the wall, especially Bombs Over Baghdad. This when you knew Andre was on some other shit and knew that the next album he was gonna lose his mind - which he did. But Stankonia had many tight cuts (So Fresh So Clean, Gangsta Shit, Call Before I Come, Slum Beautiful) and many funny skits ("spill it, girl, spill it"). So this new album with Andre 3000 goin to Pluto and beyond is no real surprise. As fans, we expect it, accept it, find what we like, move on, and wait for the next classic. But whoever may have reviewed it in the Post may not be fans like 99% of the hip hop world. Of course, it is the WASHINGTON Post, so who gives a rat's ass? Bamma ass DC music reviews...

"Sterl, you should hook up with other C-Bo fan and you two can discuss it..." - Trife

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

I'm out like non Outkast fans. Peace!

one more thing: i've heard very little lloyd banks really so if i'm talking crap then feel free to ignore me.

What up What up, WHazzup!? It's the J-D-O-L-O with that keelo flow! Qoolout thanks for the headsup on the continuing of the most banging thread in history. This thread vet is still alive. Nas vs Jay-z & other HipHop throwdowns...ummmmm. Just got interesting with 50 vs Ja Rule....Hip Hop news....Ya know I'm from CT, but,50 cent just bought a mansion in Farmington Ct (small ass town), just 20 minutes from Waterbury aka "Dirty Waters", from whom? Mike Tyson's ex-wifey who got the mansion as part of the divorce settlement years back. Tyson ex-wifey sold it to ol' Curtis Jackson for a cool mil (Tyson bought it for 3.5 mil). CT was starting to get on the map the last couple of years with stars coming through (And 1 included)! Now with 50 as a Ct resident paying CT taxes (Highest in the whole nation), CT is now officially gully. And it's not far from NYC. 50 let me the first to welcome you to the constituion state.

What up Hillis 3K!? Remember those battles between you, me and qoolout? Who was that dude Squirrel Police!? (LOL). 3:16 what up kid!? (What?). And H-Wood what up?!. What else?

Lloyd Banks got skills, period. I can say a favorite Banks line all day but it will take up a whole thread. Punchlines are just ridiculous.

All-First rookie squad (Banks, J-Hood, Juelz Santana, Joe Buddens, Cassidy and Young Chris).

Ja-Rule, stop biting Pac's identity.

Irv Gotti, YOU ARE NOT SUGE so stop trying.

What's up with Source dedicating a whole issue trying to ruin 50/Aftermath/Shady. XXL is da shit!!

Sheek's new album: Sleeper album of the year (Phat tape that will get critically acclaimed but slept on by the masses.

Minesota Timbos got the squad.

One more thing......It's all about D-Block (Two guns up) One!!

First off, it's "sunned." Second, who is John Walker Lindh? Third, don't be on some wanna be The Best shit like that... lol

Second, I did NOT "almost" admit anything, Foolout! I said I was pissed because I thought Andre 3000 was singing on every song and did no rapping. For example, if Jadakiss came out with his next CD and you were sampling through and all Kiss did was sing, you'd probably be disappointed at first because you like it when Kiss spits mad nice lines and not his singing ability, or lack thereof. Now, the CD itself might not be bad at all, but that still wouldn't affect your initial reaction. See, you always gettin carried ass bamma, I was livid because I thought he ddn't rap none, because I like Outkast as rappers. I hadn't actually listened to the whole CD, so how could I say it suck? MORON! And So Fresh So Clean had no point... what's yours? The song was still tight. And even though Kiss is talented, don't act like he comes out with a new topic with every verse. EVERY Kiss verse is about how tough D-Block is or how gutter Kiss is. EVERY verse. He's just mad nice when he does it. But on a side note, that Mighty D-Block song by Sheek is tight. And I haven't heard much about Jae Hood, but he's tight on that song.

And the Redskins run the NFC East??? Negro, they lost to the only NFC East team they played! They beat the Vickless Falcons and the 0-4 Jets. Whoop dee damn doo. And New England ain't all that impressive, either. You're guaranteed to lose to Dallas at least once (as usual, like clockwork, etc). New York came to DC and beat you, so they'll probably do the same in NY. And you haven't faced the new and improved McNabb and Eagles. Tell Lavuerneus Coleslaw and Co they can feast on the wack teams of the NFL all they want, they still won't make no noise on the playoff scene.

What up J-Dolo?! Dirty Waters, huh? D-Water Block! Dirt set, Dirt set, Dirt set, Dirt set, Dirt set... But, really, that Santana Town video and song suck. Anyway, it's good to have another vet back.

Enough knowledge dropped, I'm gone.

I'm out like the future 7-9 Redskins. Peace!

I just like to say I like OutKast, and each record they have put out has been solid. I'm not particularly a fan South Rap, but OutKast is the one group that has my respect. The next would be Scarface & Bun B from UGK. I really got into them a little bit after Midnight Marauders by ATCQ. At that point we saw the boom of Gangster Rap. That was when I picked up "Southernplaylistc..." it was an album you could vibe too. It wasn't all Kill, Kill, Kill! which sometimes you need to step out of that mode of rap and just relax and listen to the sounds. I liked the fact OutKast used a lot of acoustic bass in their music. I appreciate this era of music cause the instruments used were more detailed. Instead of a beat machine its like 36 Mafia uses, or Just Blaze butchering great jazz song with speeding the voice up. The production was more balanced to accompany the voice. Dre's eccentric rhymes makes him more indivisual with his music, and can leave a greater impression on a song than your typical rapper. Cause every nigga can rap (Chingy is proof of that), but can they make music. I think OutKast has done that on a consistent basis. Next to A Tribe Called Quest they make the best Radio friendly music. Yeah sometimes it doesn't make sense, but the whole premise is to have fun with it. Thought provoking rhymes are good for radio too, but sometimes people need wild out. OutKast does that.

By the way John Walker Lindh was the fool who joined the Taliban. I think he is being charged for treason. Also how dare you trash the name of "Lavern & Shirely Coles???" only I can do that. I love the dude cause he's FSU blood, but that name is very gay. Maybe not as much as Ashley Leile, but still pretty gay.

Anyways I'm out!

Santana made my list because he, just like the others, have skills and he's making noise right now the NYC(Mecca of hiphop) and beyond. They all have that potential to be some of the nicest in years to come, as Jay-z and Nas and all the great one have had: potential to change the game. But at the same time, just like everything else in life, potential doesnt necessarily equal success, or even critically acclaimed. Look how we all salivated when we heard a Young Bleek rap for the first time (And we all were dont try to front now)and Hova even went so far as to annoint him as the next great one in rap. Now what do you think of him? My point exactly. But maybe Jay-z annointed him too soon, but Hova saw something in him that made him say that (And we saw something in him too but are too proud to admit that now). But Bleek did go gold and second did go platinum, but it does help to have Jay-z, ja-Rule, and Beans on alot of the joints, and we still see him as an average rapper who really didn't get THAT much better with age. And I think Santana was better than Bleek was at that age. Cannibus was probably THE most HYPED RAPPER in history (Dude had Lebron-type hype in the mixtape and overall hiphop scene) and look what happened. Where is he now? Probably over at Iraq somewhere or something. Well I gotta go. Peace out to the original thread vets as well as the newbies.

As for this bamma Hillis (that's right, you get your very own paragraph). We ( the mighty mighty Redskins) have the best record in the NFC East(997) dummy. Thus, we run the NFC East. It doesn't matter who we lost to. As of this date, right now, we have the best record in the entire division. And that my friend is your first lesson in football 101. If you got a better record than the other clowns in the NFC East, you are at the top, even if them clowns got lucky and beat you. Your next lesson is that L. Coles is ripping new holes and maybe you didn't know that since you can't see the entire games down THEAH, but when the playoffs kick off, you'll see him, primetime live on TV. And I wasn't saying Jada has a moral everytime he spits, but at least I can come away from the song and say "Kiss was talking about the hood," or "Kiss was spittin' about gettin' money" or "how he grew up" or etc. Now can you please tell me what did you get from "So fresh and Clean?" And then tell me what you got from "Everybody move to the back of the bus." Look, I'm not knocking them, well I kinda am, but I'm not saying you can't like them, I was just asking "WHY?!?" Just like Missy fans. When it comes to Missy and rapping, she sucks so I want to know why peeps like her. That's all. Now leave me alone before I SUNkiss you like the soda (Beans).

Thanks J-Dolo, I almost bought Sheek's cd twice. The last time I even got in line with it until cuz told me it was 15 bucks. Now I have an excuse to get it, but if it's as bad as Style's, I'm coming to CT with bad intentions. Oh yeah, I heard this joint with Kiss today, but the DJ ain't play all of it so I don't know what song it was. Somebody let me know; I think it might be the one Hillis was speaking on eariler. Jada says, And my crack is two tone/ but I had to switch up my spot cause it became a drug free school zone. Lastly, Jae Hood is by far my first round pick; I just hope cuz don't let me down like Bleek. But I did like Bleek on "Is that your Chick?" Yeah, I know Missy was on there too. Oh yeah, one more thing. There was a discussions going on here and I wanna ask y'all. Who is better R. Moss or T. Owens? I like Randy's game a lil bit more, but I really don't know whose better.

im swangin, about to rip the kizzerp, sippin on my syzzurp
if you buy first from me then you just bought a dizzert
swangas on my whizzeel, platinum in my grizzeel
me and doby b stay blowin on some kizzeel
im higher than a hizzeel, mind on a mizzell
southside of h town show me how you fizzeel
now you see we ball, now you see we rich
I represent the legendary screwed up clique
i wreck i-45 i wreck two screw tapes
im three wheelin, poppin trunk, goin down fuqua
so move out my way cz im ridin double r
mj right behind me in a lexus bubble car

Trife, you talkin this nonsense about me dissin BIG and you dissin Kast by saying that JUST BLAZE is better? How is it that Jay-Z can use BIG's lines and catch hell, but everybody gives Just Blaze props for samplin 60s and 70s beats? Even though Just Blaze's beats are generally nice, let's not make the mistake of actually thinkin its because he's talented! Puffy did the same thing, too, and he got clowned for it. If Just Blaze would actually come out with anything ORIGINAL then we could judge him seriously as a producer. If anything, Just Blaze has an ear for tight old school music. But who doesn't?! Outkast on the other hand actually comes up with original beats made by live bands and not just samplin Marvin Gaye and The Temptations. Now, I agree, I love DJ Paul's beats, so I disagree with H*WOOD on that and that Just Blaze "butchers" songs. But definitely, Just Blaze's talent is minimal considering his beats are ENTIRELY speeded up samples.

I think Juelz Santana is wack, even though he be havin me rollin sometimes (i.e. "get in the car, don't touch nothin, sit in the car..." LMAO!) I never heard his earlier stuff so maybe I need to steal, er borrow some mp3s from Kazaa.

Dip set, Dip set, Dip set, Dip set, Dip set, Dip set, Dip set, Dip set, Dip set. Really, now, that ain't tight.

Is it just me or is the worse line in rap right now, "They be like 'Ooh, he the man' when I'm really a Thundercat" by Murphy Lee off of Shake Ya Tailfeather??? What in the name of all that is holy... Thundercat? Why would anyone go around bragging they a Thundercat? What's the benefits? Why not "Super Friends" or a "G.I. Joe?" Thundercat? THUNDERCAT???

Damn right, I get my own paragraph, young... But you ain't nothin but a sentence to me... nah, fuck it, I'll give you a paragraph. Look, you Crimson Tide ass nigga - i.e. Bama/bamma (Get it? Two Pacs/2Pac's?), I like Outkast for the exact same reason as H*WOOD and other reasons like they actually broaden their horizons and come with something new, while still keeping the soul and funk that connects with the blackness (JWL)in(dh) me. And negro, So Fresh, So Clean's topic is obvious. They're the coolest niggas in the game! Or as Andree 3000 said, "the coolest muthafunkas on the planet." How did you miss that? It's basically like Kiss sayin he the baddest nigga with guns, dope, money, etc. They just sayin they the coolest pimps. Now Rosa Parks is out there, and I can't grasp a specific direction, but the song itself is still tight. If I had to guess, I'd say it's about how Outkast can't focus on past success and must keep it new and fresh. Now, Missy sucks, but Timbo does her beats. And she's one of only three or four high profile female rappers. And she's more of a pop rap icon than a good rapper. Like Busta Rhymes. As far as rap skills is concerned, boo. But as far as party raps go, skill(i)s.

Randy Moss is, and has been since he entered the league, the best receiver in the league. TO had a breakout season last year, but Randy Moss has done that EVERY year. In all the negativity surrounding him and his off field antics and on field laziness, what gets lost is that he is hands down the most imposing player in the entire NFL. Yeah, I said it. The ENTIRE NFL! Dude makes triple teams look silly and can mess up an entire defensive game plan. How do you stop the 60 yard lob on two defenders? You don't! Gus Frerotte comes in and just throws the ball in Moss's general direction. Hell, I could do that with Moss as the receiver. Terrell is nice, but he may not be as nice as Marvin Harrison. And I'd still pick Rice over Owens simply because he gon do his thang, make clutch catches, and not complain on a bad day. Priest Holmes, Faulk, McNabb, even my nigga McNair, can't do anything like Moss. Moss has raised an unbelievable bar at the receiver position, a bar that is only rivaled by Jerry Rice in his prime. So no knock on TO, but Randy is on another level.

Don't buy Sheek's CD. I like Sheek and all, but until you hear all of it for yourself, don't buy iy. It could be nice, but Sheek doesn't have clout where you buy his CD just off his name, or even off recommendation from other people. Right now, Sheek is in pure "listen first, buy second" status.

I'm out like a Thundercat. Peace!

anyway outkast didn't start with soul and funk -- they started with crunk. whatever tip dre's on its got nothing to do with hip-hop (just like soul and funk don't necessarily either).

whats that logic?

But like I said I give Producers their props when it's GOOD! I can't say that about Dj Paul unfortunately, the crunk style beats don't connect with me as much... just my opinions and thoughts. Making beats on a Beat Machine is great, but don't confuse it with real music.

Trife thanks so much for proving my point about Lil' Flip! Of all the verses you could muster up to prove a point, you put "This is the way we ball??" Nice try, but when you rhyme multiple lines with non existing words, and also display the word capacity of 2 year old... (Boring, Snoring) you are considered a bad rapper in my book. I didn't even have to mention the fact the dude raps slow as fuck on their too. Freestyle King my ass! I never saw that nigga at Skribble Jam, Rocksteady or Blaze. I can name people at random who can merk that cat of the block.

By the way Qool, Moss is the man. Owens is a short Yardage receiver, he has no real break away speed to get past good defenders. His yardage mostly comes after the catch. Owens is in the short pass yardage west cost offense, so if you put him in an environment where the secondary can match his size & jam his ass on the line... he's not so invincible. As with Moss he's a down field threat on every down. Since he has that acceleration, after the initial jam he breaks off and it's a field day on the secondary. He's capable of putting up more points than Owens. When it comes down to it, I'm going for TD's not YAC (Yards after Catch). Bobby Bowden was very stupid for kicking Moss off the team. I wonder what could have been if Randy would have stayed at FSU & not gone to Marshall...damn! But it seems weed is the weakness of every black athlete. You could only wonder what if...

Oh yeah then you dis "meshing and combining samples to make a beat" but isn't that ALL PRODUCTION EVER!?

Finally, lil flip doesn't use nonexistant words, just screwed up ones. You think its shit when snoop and jay-z and every other rapper do it too? "Heavens above! 'Izzo' isn't even a real word! Those ignorant rappers and their meagre vocabularies will be the death of literacy in this great nation!"

As, of course, are you and Sterling, so.

everyone, i'd just like to note that james blount just said this.

Anybody heard the remix with Jay-Z to that Panjabi MC song? Beware of the Boys? That's my cut right now...

Anyway, it's Hillis "Ice Cold" 3000, ya favorite Thundercat! Got numerous topics to drop knowledge on...

It looks like Qool and Trife can call each other and talk about how wack Outkast and how the other 9,003,987,234 who dig Outkast are fools, and how you two actually realize the truth............ I'm lying. Whoa, copyright laws! I mean.......... I'm not telling the truth. Qoolout, your judgement of Kast seems to be solely based off their clothing in the videos and the two songs you've heard on the radio. You have said you usually dig it when rappers have a point, and generally dislike Southern music because they have no point and they rap about nothing. Of all Southern acts, Outkast speaks about the most relevant shit. And I mean on a Nas and/or Common level. "Growing Old" "Liberation" "Slum Beautiful" "Babylon" "Jazzy Belle" "D.E.E.P." "Git Up, Git Out" "Ova Da Wudz" "Mainstream" all have empowering messages and relevant lyrics. Of course, since you don't like Outkast, you probably haven't ever sampled these tracks, which is totally understandable. Now, maybe you just don't like Outkast at all, which I have no poblem with. It just seems like it's not actually based on their albums/music but more on some pictures in The Source from their Aquemini or Stankonia stage. And that's not an attack. I mean, if you ain't like the first 3 or 4 songs you heard by them, why would you go listening to all the rest of their stuff? And psychologically, you would probably go finding more reasons to dislike them, like we would all normally do. Now, Trife, I got your back 100% about DJ Paul. Personally, I like his/Three 6 beats. I'm a fan of Mystic Styles! I don't think he just presses buttons or uses a beat machine, but I do think he uses a program that actually have the instruments and drums presampled. Now he probably picks the melody and the baseline and snare, but of course he doesn't play each individual instrument. It's all computerized, so while I think that takes some talent, let's not mistake him for Timbo or Dre. But Lil Flip? How can you talk all this noise about Kast, then post The Way We Ball??? Now, like Sterling said, I don't mind the fake words and I actually like the song, but don't sit here and try to convince anybody Lil Flip has more than MINIMAL lyrical skills AND then say "its not as if stupid shit like 'outkast are real music with real instruments, etcetera, etcetera, are uncommon, so on and so forth..." I mean, if you ever look at the production credits you see credit for the bass guitar, piano, and other instruments. Not on all songs, but the majority. And Andre can actually play the guitar and other instruments, too. I mean, you can diss Kast, but don't try to play up Lil Flip at the same time. He's funny and I like a lot of his verses, but NOT because they are lyrically impressive. They're amusing. For example, on the David Banner "Like A Pimp" collabo he spits, "We make em swallow the nut, so follow the truck, Lil Flip and David Banner we got all of the bucks, and all of sluts..." LAMO! I was rollin, but let's not get crazy and start trying to compare the wordplay to Jigga or Biggie or even Bun B!

Qoolout, I forgot to also ask you why you weren't feeling Reasonable Doubt. It's the same as me not feelin Illmatic or Ready to Die, but I thought you'd feel that album, especially as a fan of Jay! You confuse me sometimes, playa... lol I mean, I guess we all have albums we just dislike even though everybody else might like em, so maybe you just don't like it. But what about classics like Dead Presidents or Can I Live? Those definitely have tight topics. And I dig the flow and beats, so I'm surprised you don't like that. Or what about the BIG song, Brooklyn's Finest? I also like Feelin It and Can't Knock the Hustle but they are kinda jiggy. And Ain't No Nigga is straight. But Can I Live is MUPHUKIN FLAMES, NICCA!

When I first heard Memphis Bleek, I thought he sucked. I still think he sucks. I liked him on Is That Your Chick and the Hey Papi remix, but that was only because I suspect Jay ghostwrote his verses or highly influenced them. I mean, on Coming of Age on Reasonable Doubt, him and Jay go back and forth on some SUPER GAY SHIT. That whole, "Hey let's ride around a while/I like your style/naw I like YOUR style/man I'll ride with you for free" is some RuPaul mess for real.

I ain't diss Busta. I think he's a tight rap act. I think Busta has come out with some classics, too, like "Everything Remains Raw" and "Woo Haa" and there are a lot of songs I like with Busta and by Busta. But as an MC? Nah, not really. I mean Busta has some skills, but he's not versatile. Like, that verse about Ja wasn't bad, but I ain't really feel the mean Busta. Like he said, he need to go back to his normal self and have fun.

Now, you've taken the Randy debate a bit further. I think you're a little too general in comparing YAC to TDs. I mean, there are different circumstances to both. I mean, a screen can get you great YAC, but all that is is a pass play turned into a run. Or if you catch a slant across the middle and happen to gain big yardage, is that really talented? I mean, concentrating on a deep TD ball when all the defender has to do is get a couple fingers on it to mess up everything can be just as hard as breaking tackles or having the vision to see how to get down the field after the catch. Or how do you say making a catch and then breakin tackles for a 40 yd gain is better than catching a TD pass goin out of bounds and managing to keep both feet in? I don't say either is better, but how does one say what is better? I don't know. Or how is getting wide open in the end zone for a TD better than catching a 5 yd pass on 3rd and 20 and somehow managing to get the first down? I don't know. To me, YAC may be better when you're trying to get down the field in the last 2 min, but if it's like on the 10 and we got only one play to score, I'd rather have a sure handed receiver who'll get a TD. It's all circumstantial.

Now your best player remark is intriguing as well. I don't necessarily think he is the best player, just the most imposing. He may not even be the league MVP (I personally say McNair or McNabb), but he definitely changes a game plan more than any other player. Now, me, I don't think you can have a best player in football. Unlike basketball or baseball or generally any other sport, you have different sets of players dedicated to defense and offense. And both are equally important. Forget all this nonsense about defense wins championships. TEAMS win championships. If defense won championships, Tampa would have 5 Super Bowls. And Baltimore would have 5, too. It takes a balance somewhere on both sides of the ball. That's why last year Kansas City sucked with their great offense and Carolina sucked with their great defense. Now add a defense to KC, a ground game to the Panthers and they're both undefeated! So after all that rambling, I find it hard to crown a best player. I don't think you could give it to a QB or RB - even though they are more likely to be an MVP. I mean, you gotta control the line of scrimmage with the O Line, your QB has to make good decisions, your RB has to see the holes, your WRs gotta get open AND catch the ball AND possibly get many YACs. Plus your team must close in the red zone. Then you gotta put out a defense with linebackers that can seek the ball, D linemen that can control the line of scrimmage, DBs that can run support as well as blanket receivers. And they gotta all get to the ball. And special teams can be crucial (ask Baltimore about Dante Hall and Tampa about all them blocked kicks). You gotta have leaders who may not be the best players. Football is the ultimate team sport, and every depends on somebody way too much for somebody to be labeled the best in football. Best at a specific position, sure, and maybe even on offense and defense. But on football? Nah...

And what do you think of TO's side explosion? And post game comments? I personally think TO has a right to be upset and the sideline explosion wasn't as bad as some people try to make it. But I do think he should have kept the comments about no heart to himself. Especially when he directed them at everyone but himself. He probably should have said he was disappointed and that he feels that the team will use this week to get better and all the united front cliches. Of course, then he could have went nuts within the 49er organization. But he does try harder and play with the most emotion. And you never hear about him on crack or rapin teenagers, so off the field he's cool. His on the field antics may ruffle purists, but I like him. SF would be crazy to trade him or let him sign elsewhere, but hey, they gotta do what they gotta do.

All right, I'm through educatin folk.

I'm out like Laverne and Shirley Coles. Peace!

Hey, I am literally laughin my ass off right now. Honestly, I looked at somethin previously posted and started laughin and I was about to start typin but I had to stop cause I had tears in my eyes! I just recovered from about two minutes of laughter from somethin H*WOOD said...

"Freestyle King my ass!"

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

Hey, the reason it's so funny is that I can imagine the look on your face when you said that. After all your rantin about Flip, you come out of nowhere with "Freestyle King my ass!" HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!! I'm still rollin (on the floor laughin)! Make no mistake about it, I am definitely laughin with you! LOL

H*WOOD, you might even find it more amusing to know that Flip has beef with some other lame ass no name nigga about who is really the Freestyle King! But I forgot some things, plus saw a new battle come out of nowhere! Ciniblount, where did all this beef come from? Sterling, Ned, Gabbo?

I forgot to mention that Moss has had like 8 QBs and he makes them all look good. Jeff George, Randall Cunningham, Gus Frerotte, Daunte Culpepper, that other white guy from last year. Moss makes any QB look good, so the theory that he needs a certain QB seems invalid. Eric Moulds is straight. He's probably a little under Harrison and T.O. but he's definitely got skills. I bet Peerless Price can attest to that! And as far as the Redskins go, your argument for the Redskins is atrocious. The only reason they have the best record right now is because they've played one more game than everyone else in the division! And like I said, they're 0-1 in the NFC East. That's right, a big huge donut in the win column! And since when do we get hype about teams who beat 0-4 teams (Jets) and teams without their star (Falcons)? Weak bastards... Sterling, I think Dre sucks lyrically, too, plus I don't dig the first Chronic. But he has skills with production and his ghost writers are superb. And Missy can actually sing. At least, I think she has a good singing voice.

Somebody please define "hip hop" to me, because comments that Missy and Andre 3000 haven't done hip hop, or quality hip hop baffle me. Is hip hop a genre of music? Is it different from gansta rap, or rap in general? Who qualifies as hip hop? Who doesn't? Why? Who can define hip hop and be considered legitimate? Why? Does hip hop have to be accepted on certain intellectual levels? Is hip hop simply the anti-mainstream? Can a mainstream song be hip hop? Is 2Pac hip hop, gangsta rap, or both? Are there sub levels of hip hop? I ask because I think we all define it differently based on personal opinons and not any universal criteria. I find it hard to accept that Outkast is not hip hop. I think they would be insulted. And I think some of hip hop's heavyweights like 2Pac, Jay-Z, NWA, Snoop, Busta, and numerous others would be left out of some definitions. And that's just what it seems to me. I just think if you considered some of your definitions, then I don't see how 2Pac can be a hip hop artist by it. And if you think 2Pac isn't hip hop, then you're an idiot.

I'm out like hip hop. Peace!

Hut one, Hut two, Hut three, Hike!....

What up peeps? As a die-hard 49ers fan, I do kinda understand why my man T.O. was going off the way he was (5 receptions for 55 yards?). Niners SHOULD have threw the ball to him more, as Vikings did for Moss, but T.O should not have blown up on his teammates and coaches. Now, as much as I can't believe I'm saying this, T.O stepped over the line (I DO ADMIRE HIS PASSION FOR THE GAME). All I'm saying is that if coaches keep letting T.O. get away with his antics, the other players WONT have any respect for the coaches. I just don't want T.O to give the orginization reasons to get him traded, so he does need to just check himself just a bit. Rice was a class act (and still my favorite childhood football player).He never berated his teammates (atleast not in public, in front of the millions..............and millions of the fans screamin their name...NINERS! NINERS! NINERS!, NINERS!....oh my bad....just one of those Rock moments). Rice is not doing bad at all for a 40 year old. Rice all I want to say is...when u retire,.......please retire your jersey as a niner. When u get a ring, you really got Sanfran a ring. Thank u for the memories.

Miami Canes are still Number 1 in my book until a team really beats them (They got robbed in championships last year with a pass interference call that was more fully blown than a man with AIDS).Oklahoma is a "paper" number one team right now until someone beats them or the Canes.

Boxing, right now has more paper champs than an arts & crafts class

Can't wait for NBA season. Lebron/Carmelo is gonna be the next Magic/Bird rivalry. I hope Kobe won't be wearng a different number, but just like everyone else, innocent till proven guilty. T'Wolves (my fav team) got a squad this year to help my boy KG. Do ya remember Spree as a 2 guard in Goldenstate? Nigga what?. Cassell, Szerbiak (Never get his name right) and Michael Olawakandi and Earv Johnson (two big bodies that can atleast neutralize Shaq (That's twelve fouls between them to hold Shaq to fewer points a game). Long live the wolves. We might actually get past the first round this year. Anything less than a championship this year is a failure (That includes beating the Lakers).

Oh yeah, Hip-Hop.

Peeps in Farmington, Ct (where 50's new mansion is) aren't very fond of having 50 as their new neighbor. Farmington (a wannabe wealthy Greenwich, Ct) has this so-called high standard and they dont really like having trouble coming into their corny ass town. My boy who's a state cop was telling me that they got the city and state police administratives talking to 50's reps about the situation. I guess they're just warning them that 50 won't go unnoticed.............

Gotta get the special edition Scarface on DVD (I heard it's bangin and it looks just like a new movie).

Can't believe this but I heard that the Band album is hot!!!!(Bad Boy this and Bad Boy that!! Take that Take that!)

What up Qoolout?!

Hillis what up? I really am interested in hearing your opinion of the Band.

What's up wit all these dudes wearing pink?! Cam f'd the game up for real.

Gotta go. See ya when I see ya. One

"And I'm flossin every chance that I get/Walking around with your advance on my neck/ I'm demanding respect"--Banks freestyle

I'm out like Kobe's basketball future (Just playin Laker fans. We all know he ain't do it)

SHIZZIT! Everyone's back... except Back! Let me catch up with all this shit and post sumthing later.

Shoutout Ill Hill, Qool, Dolo, and Hollywood.

Its the return of the MACK baby!

Peace

Man, Qoolout, I don't want to press the issue, but I'm still not sure if you dislike Can I Live or Dead Presidents. I mean, I guess you did say that pre-Hard Knock Life was hard for you to stomach, so one could infer that this means that you do not like Can I Live or Dead Presidents. I guess I'm lookin for closure, because I still find it hard to believe that you of all people don't like Can I Live! That beat is superb and his flow isn't as high and fast as it is on the other songs, and it is about somethin. I'm tellin you, give it a re-listen and see if you ain't feelin it.

"...in college I had the misfounture of residing next to a die hard Outkast fan. Cuz played it all the time, the radio joints and the non radio joints and I didn't like them, it, and now I don't even like cuz..." - Qoolout

LOL!

Ok, you didn't say that Outkast isn't it hip-hop; however, you said you can't see what Andre 3000 has done for hip hop. If you admit that just about everybody you know likes them, how can you not see it? I may not personally like Ready to Die or Illmatic or the Infamous, but I can still see what they've done for hip hop. And I think your bringing their clothes in to judging them as hip hop is ridiculous! If you found out that Pac or the Kiss of Death wore the same clothes as Andre, you'd stop finding their music ill just like Will was? Hardly! They'd still be hip-hop... just with clothes you ain't like. I mean, I don't like the Dip set (Dip set, Dip set, Dip set, Dip set, Dip set, Dip set, Dip set) pink nonsense but I can't judge Camron buy that shirt in the Dip Set Anthem - or can I? Anyway, I just think hip hop should be based solely on the style of music. And even though Busta and Missy probably do writ their "raps" in 10 minutes, I doubt that has anything to do with their appeal. Their "acts" - i.e. their videos are either real tight or real funny. For example, Busta's "Pass the Corvoisseur" video was tight, especially with that scene from Harlem Nights. And Missy's videos are generally tight, from The Rain to Get Ur Freak On to One Minute Man to Gossip Folks. So even though they destroy the lyrical essence of hip hop, they do capture the style and commercial appeal of hip hop.

As far as Outkast's new album not being hip hop, I think that's far from the truth. Big Boi's CD is of the normal rap/hip hop genre, and as out there as Andre is, I think his roots/style is still based in hip hop. Even though the rap is minimal, there is still rapping and his topics still reside in the hip hop genre. True, the style is unorthodox and he is exploring himself as an artist, but still as a HIP HOP artist. Just like BIG on Playa Hata. Even though it's him singing and being silly, he's still exploring a side of himself based in hip hop. So even though it's not rapping per se, it's still hip hop.

Macka, you have had more returns than Michael Jordan. But Jordan at least stuck around a few years. You pop up, say what up, and dip for a good minute? What is the proverbial dealy, yo?

Joe P to the Dolo, I assume that Robert Parish throwback/Antoine Walker jersey line means that he'll shoot him and put a hole in his chest, making the "8" look like a "0" - Parish's number. Right? Even still, that line ain't THAT cold, is it? lol And Miami #1 until someone beats them? Please! What up with this Qoolout (ill)logic(al BS)? Miami ain't dominated nobody all year, and hasn't played worthy of their ranking yet PLUS Gore is gone! Not saying that OSU or OU are better, but don't play like Miami is proving itself to be the best team in the nation. Eh, H*WOOD? Miami is a pretender this year (well pretty much everybody is) and FSU or UT or VTech will prove it.

"Freestyle King my ass!"

I haven't heard Bad Boy Da Band yet, but I heard them on a radio station doing somethin in the radio station studio - so I'm not sure it was an official song. But what I heard was wack. The radio DJs were all on Puffy's nuts about em, too, but I was not impressed at all. I put Da Band right up there with Sheek's album. I must hear it before I buy it.

All right, I'm dismissing class.

I'm out like the Redskins will be in Philly with a ferocious L. Peace!

The only thing that makes me feel 1/4 of the way bettr about the Vols losing and the Tight Titans HANDING New England an easy victory is that the Redskins lost - to another NFC East team! You know, the division they run? Oops, my bad... the division they USED TO RUN? Now DallASS is on top of the division and that's a guaranteed L for the Redskins. The Redskins are second, technically, with ferocious Ls to the two teams they're supposedly ahead of. Wack ass Redskins.

I'm out like the Vols from the top ten (DAMMIT!). Peace!

ps Yeah Hill, my boys lost and our STORM on top was short like short people, but we'll be back, Jack.

Your light rain shower in the middle is still going on, son. And who you calling Jack??? Who you think you is, muphukin Ron O'Neal??? lol Dude, the Redskins haven't beaten anybody good! They got lucky against the Pats and choked against the Eagles. And who cares about the 0-4 Jets and Vickless Falcons. You're 0-2 in your division with a guaranteed L comin from DallASS!

I'll accept your challenge to go find where you said that Outkast wasn't hip-hop, if YOU accept MY challenge of finding where I said that you did! If you go back, you should see that I said...

"Ok, you didn't say that Outkast isn't it hip-hop; however, you said you can't see what Andre 3000 has done for hip hop." - H3K on 10/5/03

My only point was that just because you don't personally like a group doesn't mean you can ignore their accomplishments. At least, that's not a legitamate reason.

I told you and everybody in this thread that this album was not the album you should listen to if you're trying to discover Outkast. You have to know their progression from album to album to understand where Andre 3000 and Big Boi are going with Speakerboxxx/Love Below. I can honestly say that I enjoy "Hey Ya" as a video and a song. But that's because I know Andre 3000 and I know that'll he'll come with some off the wall stuff, but you'll enjoy it if you give it a chance. Which I doubt you did. First off, the video is lovely. It's set in the 60s and I find it hilarious. It took some creative thinking on his part to do that and he should be congratulated. That song may not fall under your stereotype of hip-hop simply because he doesn't rap, but I see it as a talented hip-hop artist being innovative and taking hip hop further. Lauryn Hill sings on her Miseducation album, but I would consider it a hip hop classic, rather than R&B. And Biggie's "Player Hater" is definitely a HIP-HOP classic. The other Outkast song is "The Way You Move" and if you don't like that song, I don't know what to tell you. The beat is tight, the rapping is tight, the hook is tight... if you don't like that song you just don't like Outkast and you might as well stop forcing yourself to try and see why everyone else does. Of course, you do refer to them as "clowns" whose songs are "BS" but if everyone likes them, wouldn't that make YOU a "clown" whose opinion is "BS???" Just a though...

Clothes have nothing to do with what makes hip hop. Rocawear and Sean John are clothes fashioned out of hip hop, true, but they're not much different from Hilfiger, Raulph Lauren, Nautica, etc. They don't make hip hop because the clothes worn by Run DMC in the 80s resemble nothing Jada and Jay wear, but they are all hip hop styles that changed with the times. And since you even admit that you'd like Pac and Jada if they wore the same clothes as Andre 3000, then you admit that the clothing is irrelvant. Of course, your point that you wouldn't like Pac or Jada if they RAPPED like Outkast, while amusing, was a redundant understatement. Kind of like the term "redundant understatement..."

I'll tell you now that you can't make a case for the NFL's best player, because there's no such player. At least not one with a reasonable argument. There's too many elements that go into winning football and no one player can be part of more than 50% of those elements. I'm warnin you, young, don't bring that argument up in here, up in here...

And while we're on football, what's up with Rush Limbaugh's bogus comments on McNabb? Of all the black QBs he picked, he chooses McNabb? Please! I agree that the Eagles had most of their success due to their defense, which is why they won with Detmer and Feely. But McNabb is a raw quarterback who can make plays with his arm and leg. I think his assessment (which if you didn't know, was that McNabb isn't really that good, but the media wants a black quarterback to succeed so they give McNabb credit for the Eagles' success when it's really only the defense) was legitimate, but there was no need to bring up McNabb's race. The media's desire to see a black quarterback succeed is some nonsense. About as much nonsense that the Redskins are the class of the NFC East. Those gays.

I'm out like Rush Limbaugh. Peace!

And about Busta... When you mentioned that Pass the C was about nonsense, I laughed and totally agreed with you. That song's lyrical value is trash times 3 million. If them ain't the two non rappinest, same ole hook singinist niggas in rap, I don't know who is. But doesn't Diddy write checks, not rhymes? Point being, them niggas lyrically suck, but that hook was tight and the song and video are hilarious. See, when you hear wack lyrics, you get disgusted. When I hear them, I laugh. I guess that's why me and other folks can enjoy Busta or Missy or 90% of DA SOUTH. Not everybody tries with their raps, which is why they can write them in 10 minutes. A lot of rappers/entertainers are going for tight beats and nice videos. And I can dig that as long as I am entertained or amused. That Pass the C video is hilarious. Monique as Della Reese in Harlem Nights had me rollin. I'm 90% sure you've seen Harlem Nights and find it funny when Eddie Murphy and Della Reese were fightin ("Oh you wanna hit people with garbage cans...") and that part in the video was tight. So in short, the son's lyrical value is doo doo, but IMHO the video was good and the beat is straight.

What's folks take on the Clipse? I hated the Grindin beat, but I kind of feel some of their stuff after that. Hell, Malice can almost pass as a poor man's Jadakiss on a lot of they stuff.

"Freestyle King my ass!" LOL!

I'm out like of bounds regarding Pat Ramsey's 2 pt. conversion pass to Lavern and Shirley Coleslaw. Peace!

Qoolout, again, I accept your challenge:

"Lastly, S Clover, if Dre from Outkast does have something to do with hip-hop I'm missin' it, but hip-hop embraces him for some reason." - QS on 12/30/03

I may have mixed up the words but I kept the gist of what you were saying. Now, I wanna know what Outkast fans you know that said "The Way You Move" wasn't tight! What, one Kast fan didn't like it so you embellished it to be "fans?" Cause all the fans I know - i.e. at least 10 - like it a lot. And I know more than 10 people in general like it. The song is good - maybe YOU don't like it, or 2 other people you know, but the song is tight. Second, your skill of making things seem a certain way don't work on me cause I see what you're doing. You can explain why you think clothes are a part of hip hop all you want; you're missing my point (or pretending to in order to change the subject). My point was only that Andre 3000's clothes have no bearing on why he is or isn't hip hop or if his music is or isn't tight. Now, you can ramble on and on about Sean John and FUBU and whatever til the proverbial cows come home. But your smokescreen is futile. My point was clothes don't determine if a rapper is tight - i.e. you'd like Pac or Jada in Andre 3000's clothes. In fact, you'd probably go out and buy some then! Or probably not...

Dude, I ain't tryin to hear your contradictory self talk about my judgement of music. Supposedly a song has to have a point to entertain you but you're a huge Jadakiss fan - Mr. Absolutely No Point himself. Well, actually, he has one point. D-Block is so tough thanks to Jada's ill flow and deftness with a gun. Now, I'm a Jadakiss fan because his metaphors and wordplay are ill, but let's not say he has a point. And then you liked Puffy and Scarface? Them niggas got no lyrical skills and no points! And you said "Pass the C" ain't good so therefore it isn't? Negro, please! Be honest and you know the majority of hip hop fans enjoyed the song and the video. I don't give a song a "free pass" if the video makes me laugh. I give it a free pass if I enjoy the production and Pass the C was one of the Neptunes' better beats. All I'm sayin is if you judge the song purely on lyrics then it's wack, but I don't think Puffy and Busta sat down and said, "These lyrics are tight" when they made the song. They probably said, "Let's bank off our star power and this tight Neptunes beat." And they did. Just because YOU expect a song to have ill lyrics EVERY TIME doesn't mean that the rest of hip hop fans have to rely on that narrow minded view! We can enjoy a beat, we can enjoy jokes, we can enjoy other things. And how is it that you can expand hip hop to find a way to diss Outkast, but throw that same expansion out for "Hey Ya?" If hip hop isn't just singing and rapping, why does the fact that Andre doesn't rap relevant? Well, it's not! Don't be bringing clothes and all this oter nonsense that doesn't have anything to do with music into a debate, but then convenienty forget it when that same nonsense works against you. "Hey Ya" is a hip hop song because it's a hip hop artist who made the song in the general style of hip hop. We'll have to agree to disagree about Lauryn's album. My judgement of music stays consistent with what I have previously said (i.e. a fan of production), while you supposedly need relevant points or tight lyrics or blah, blah, but don't like Kast, like Scarface, don't like Reasonable Doubt, like Puffy, like Jadakiss, don't like Ready to Die... Ahem. Where's the consistency?

In the future, bamma, if you're gonna try and bring up past events against me, make sure that you try not to do so solely based on memory because your memory is obviously not that good. I didn't miss the shot for Ether. I made it, but the dude on my team called a TO right before I hit it and we ain't have none; thus a technical preceded our ferocious L. Now, you on the other hand, have bowed out of tournaments with Team 3 and them other cats you lost with last summer fair and square. Ahem...

And another thing, you're right I don't care about flash. I like players like Shaq and Jordan because they dominate(d) when they want(ed) to and impose(d) their will at will. I like T-Mac because he carries a sorry team and constantly beats double teams. I don't care how. I like AI, not because he has a vicious cross or a nice J, but because he's 150 lbs, takes a beating when he scores 25 points against bigger, stronger giants and still gets back and plays ferocious D. I like versatile players like KG, Dirk, or Sheed because they have outside skills and a tough inside presence. You just like guards.

If you're not a clown with a BS opinion, just someone with different taste, then Outkast aren't clowns making BS - which you have referred to them as. They just have different taste.

Stop with this "best NFL player" nonsense.

Luda's new album came out. Well, I like it. Am I the only one? Probably not. Am I th only one in this thread? Probably.

Is this board dying again?

I'm out like all them folks that was just here a couple days ago. Peace!

Lastly, When Deion was with ATL and maybe for the year when San Fran won it all, he IN MY EYES, was the best player. He shut down his side onf the field as a back. He returned Punts and kickoffs ( I think his yardage record in ATL still stands) and cuz played wideout, and was better than any of the other wideouts. And If you recall, whenever the falcons got a pick, WHENEVER, they would pitch it around until they got the ball to him. On offense you knew he was getting it and they still could not stop it, kinda like Randy. Dag I gotta go

See, that quote was not picked at random. I'm bout to show folks that my debate skills are way strong. Minus the Now and Later gators...

For the life of me, I can't figure out why you keep implying that I said that you said Outkast wasn't hip hop (he said she said we sad they said). What do you mean you knew you didn't say it?! I told you that you didn't say it! TWICE!!! Did you not gather that I was agreeing with you? Is this some slick Qoolout debate trick? I thought I was clear about the issue, but honestly, I think it IS some slick Qoolout debate trick.

"I can't really define hip hop but I know it's based on not just music and rap, but on the way we/they talk and yes even dress. That's why I dissed those so called clothes that cuz from Kast wears. But hey, maybe that bamma dressing is a part of hip hop..." - QS on 10/1/03

Now, I don't have the luxury of actually discussing what you meant or may have meant from that statement in real time so I could only try and find the meaning based on the context clues. Based on those
clues, it seemed TO ME that you were implying that clothes could be a deciding factor on whether or not one is hip hop. I disagree. Now, it seems like maybe you were dissing their clothes and that was it. But like I said, the context clues point to something different. And if you're HONEST with yourself, you can reread that paragraph and realize that 9 out of 10 people would make the same connection, especially with how you have been dissing Outkast in general.

Again, it looks like we agree on something. Will Smith has done a lot of comedy, but not all movies he has been in are comedies. And if Pac went to Spain and did an opera, it wouldn't be hip hop. Now, if Beyonce did it, it would be a hip hopera... LMAO!!! Anyway, I said nothing REMOTELY close to that STUPID logic. All I said was that "Hey Ya" is a hip hop song. I said that it was a hip hop artist who did a song in the general style of hip hop. I compare Hey Ya to Biggie's Playa Hater. Big sings the whole time, but that is a classic HIP HOP song because he is not to be taken seriously for his singing, the subject is not to be taken in the context of R&B, and it was a hip hop artist bringing something new to hip hop. And TO ME, that's all "Hey Ya" is. A hip hop artist expanding on hip hop and doing a hip hop song. You said hip hop is more than "rapping and singing," but you try and dissmiss Hey Ya as not a hip hop song because "cuz doesn't even rap." So hip hop is more than rapping and singing, but not when it comes to Outkast, because you don't like them. That seems to be the direction of your argument if you ask me. I agree that hip hop isn't just music. It is slang, dances, and a whole lot of other stuff. I disagree with anyone who says clothes determine a hip hop artist or that certain clothes aren't hip hop just because he/she doesn't like said clothes.

Most people I know did like Pass the C, but that's irrelevant. I'd bet that the # of people who like is bigger than the # who disliked it, simply based on the airplay and billboard success.

I still think your best player argument is wrong, but at least you picked Deion. Deion definitely was a shut down corner with mad return skills, who could play wideout. But Deion was a good athlete so he could probably function as a 3rd option.However, Deion wasn't the only one who could do that. Plus Rice was in his prime (which is the one receiver he couldn't shut down), and so was Rod Woodson. Woodson was also as dangerous a return man as Deion. Deion was probably the better corner, but overall player? I don't know. Barry Sanders was also in his prime and he probably could have returned punts or kickoffs better. And even in mentioning all those players, I don't believe a strong enough argument can be made for Deion simply because in football there are too many different positions and skills to determine what makes who better. Deion was one of few who had the chance to play both ways, but most players in the league played both ways in their career, even if it was as far back as high school. I'd bet that Sanders could have been a good corner or Woodson could have been a good back, but in football there's no real need for someone to play both ways. Warren Sapp could probably play tight end, or offensive line, maybe even fullback. I hardly think Sapp is the best player in the league. Jevon Kearse or Derrick Brooks have the skills to do more than just play on defense. Brooks and Kearse could probably switch or even play in the secondary with their speed and strength. I don't think they're any better or worse than Sapp, just different. Unlike basketball, football has too many different positions and skill needs to say one skill is better than the other. Of course, since you're blinded by flash and Deion did play for the most overpaid, underachieving team that happened to be the Redskins, I see why that would fool you.

My memory is fine. Again, check yours.

"...look at Busa Bus. I'm not feeling him or Missy because of the actual words that are in the raps that they spit. It sounds like they just sat down and wrote the songs in like ten mintues and then it gets all kinds of radio play. That's why I hate his and her "raps." Seemingly, they took NO time in the "writing" part, and as a writer myself, that is what irks me the most." - QS on 10/1/03

So again, one can conclude from this statement, as well as your disdain for Outkast, that you DON'T just put an emphasis on simply the point. Of course, if that's not what you meant, you should work on explainin yourself better, Lucy!

I respect Scarface but his lyrical prowress is iffy. Go review YOUR history. And Jada rarely gets deep. And his songs do have a point. It's just the same exact point. D-Block this, ill flow that, I gotta gat, gun, glock, tec, mac, 9 milli, nina, hammer, biscuit, pistol, etc.

"I knew I didn't say he wasn't hip-hop..." lol Who are you trying to convince? Me? Or yourself?

I'm out like Lucille Ball. Peace!

I'm all that, & then some/
Short dark & Handsome/
Bust a nut inside your eye, to show you where I Come(CUM) from// --Phife (A Tribe Called Quest)

To be Hip-Hop, or not to be Hip-Hop... That is the question? Let me try to bring at least some clarity to this topic. Hip-Hop in its self is a spawned creation from R&B and other forms. It's no coincidence that even today with acts like Ja Rule, Lauren Hill, or Snoop. That barrier is jumped back and forth, from song to song. We could figure out some way to mesh music together, such as the examples Qool gave. Pretty much what I am saying, its really pointless to argue over categorization, cause one person will see it as Hip-Hop, another would see it as R&B. Besides that point, Hip-Hop isn't really a defining creation of its self. There is not a tried & true Hip-Hop sound. Think about it? You got all these damn categories now, Gangster, Hardcore, Acid (Yes Acid), R&B/Hip-Hop, Alt. Rap, Gospel Rap etc. Try to guess one of the first commercially successful rap songs?? Can't figure it out? It's a song called Rapture by Blonde, who was a well known 70/80's Pop group. The point is the barriers are unlimited, no matter which way you turn it. Hip-Hop embodies all music forms, there is no true Hip-Hop sound. Cypress Hill - Rock, Insane Clown Posse - Acid Rock, Lauren Hill - R&B/Hip-Hop, Eyedea - Alt. Rap, Atmosphere - Emotion Rap... I could go on for days, and I haven't even scratch the surface yet.

Moving on, to this sports thing. I agree with Hillis saying Miami is not the true #1, I don't think anyone would disagree with you. Not even myself being a Hurricane fan. With Gore out, and my boys FSU this week. It's not looking good at all. If they lose at FSU on Saturday, they not only get a L (Which kills a chance at the national championship). But they got Tennessee, I think November 8th. If they receive 2 L's this season that's gonna probably knock them out of the BCS Bowls, which means that top dollar money won't be going to the ACC next year. Nevertheless the season is shaping out to look like FSU vs. Oklahoma a rematch of the 2001 Orange Bowl, in the Sugar Bowl this year. I got my shotgun ready, loaded with my illegal hollow tip point, Rhino cop killer bullets ready to be fired at random on the Oklahoma Sooner football team as they enter the Louisiana Superdome... **Cough**But you didn't hear that from me**Cough** lol, just kidding.

Qool, you asked why ESPN hired Rush. Jimmy Johnson said it best... Controversy. They wanted him to say outrageous stuff such as that. You look at these news shows now. They mostly consist of these right wing conservative dick suckers to the republican party. and, since when has the republican party cared for black people, or better yet minorities for that matter. You don't have to answer that, cause we can all see what they are trying to do with Affirmative action. But anyways, back to Rush. I mean look at that whole set up, and it proves my point they was begging for attention. One White guy spiting opinions to two black guys??? LOL. That's about as colorful as this message board webpage... Black & White.

I'll get to that Clipse discussion later Hill.

Fast Shouts out to J-Dolomite, Macka, Qool, Hill, and all the newbies...What UP!

Oh so you wanna call people liars, huh? You done accused me of stealin before, but the only thing I'm stealin today is yo face... in relation to debate...

First of all, what debate skills have you exhibited? Other than rambling on about things I didn't even say, you've done nothing but... well... ramble on about things I didn't even say! Are you stuck on stupid? I never said you said Outkast wasn't hip hop. I cannot stress that enough and I don't know why you keep defending yourself about that. I never said you judged Outkast off of their clothes. I cannot stress that enough. I said that it seems like you judged them off the two songs you may have heard on the radio and their clothing, because you mentioned their clothing when you said you didn't like them. Key word being "seems." If you don't know what it means, then I suggest you grab a dictionary. I have never accused you of anything or come out and said "You said XYZ." You can defend yourself about all these statements you may think I have said, but unlike me, you have not gone back and quoted me ONCE! If I said all this blah, blah, blah, go find it and re post it. Prove yourself!Otherwise, realize that your debate skills, or lack thereof, have left you grabbing at absolutely nothing!

Second, the two strongest "points" are arguably against the WEAKEST topics! You gonna question whether or not I did a hypothetical poll?! Are you serious?! I'm gonna concede that this is stupid to go back and forth about, but I will humor you. How do you know I didn't take a poll? How do you know that I didn't get 100 random people to review the thread and that 90 of them agreed with my assessment of your statement? The other "point" was that you defended not picking Deion because he played for the Skinnies. Nigga, I knew that! I was joking! So you're right, there's no way Deion being in DC influenced you... bamma.

Third, let's go back to your wack ass argument. Or jibberish. You ramble on and say "Again, I'll go back to the poll you didn't take (as far as I know) about your 9 out of 10 people. You can't tell me that there are more people who liked "Pass the C" then those who ain't like it because of radio play (you took know poll). If I did go by that, I would tell you that MOST of the radio stations in the world don't even play hip-hop. Thus, by your logic and by the truth, most people in the world never even heard “Pass the C”; and I say lucky them!" - QS on 10/9/03... I'm gonna be real honest; while I was amused, I have no idea where you were going with that. I don't see how it enhances or hurts your argument, and I also fail to see how it is relevant to anything we have said. If they haven't heard it, how can that point/fact hurt me and help you or vice versa? Please. Explain.

Fourth, I did not say you believe Hey Ya is not hip hop because you don't like Outkast. Honestly, All I pointed out is that you said hip hop is more than singing and rapping. You did say that. I won't post it yet, but you did say that. You also said that Hey Ya is not a hip hop song because "cuz does not rap." You said that. I put it in quotes because I am quoting you and you did say that. So all I'm asking is WHY you feel justified in making the two contradictory statements? If you don't feel Hey Ya is hip hop then that's fine. But "cuz does not rap" is not going to be a valid response when you just said "hip hop is more than just singing and rapping." And Qoolout, you will never find anything I posted that is even remotely close to me saying that Hey Ya is hip hop simply because it was done by a hip hop artist. Never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever find that... ok?

Finally, I am also telling you that you are absolutely wrong when you say that Missy and Busta's songs have no point. "Pass the C" has no point. "Work It" has no point. But you are just plain wrong if you say Missy and Busta never have a point. You're still wrong if you say they rarely have a point. They may not be deep points, but their points aren't any less vague and cliched than J to the Mwa, Kiss of Death, D-Block, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I am not hating on Jadakiss. I couldn't care less if Jadakiss never had a point again in another song. As long as he keeps spittin them ill (just like Will was) metaphors and using exceptional wordplay, I'll remain a fan.

Now, I'm not gonna say that your Deion argument was eack, but I still disagree. I'll admit I was impressed that you thought of Primetime because I couldn't think of anyone you could have made a good case for other than maybe Vick or even Derrick Brooks. Hell, a valid case could be made for ya boy Champ Bailey. I also disagree that you said Sapp ain't dangerous at TE. Hopefully you "meant" that Sapp isn't a serious pass catching threat. I'm not saying that's what you meant so don't start rambling about what you didn't say about Sapp. All I'm saying is that Sapp is dangerous at TE in blocking situations and possibly 4-6 yd pass routes. His strength, tenacity, and aligity plus his knowledge from the defensive side would probably make him one of the best, if not the best, blocking tight end in football. So Sapp culd be dangerous at TE if used correctly. I mean, I ain't tryin to watch slow ass Sapp run no 20 minute 10 yard out. I will watch him score and laugh while he bounces like Beyonce. Uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh, oh, no, no... lol

In all this razzle dazzle, why aren't we discussin the Kobe case? Do y'all think he did it? Or is he is innocent? Is it right we still don't officially know her name. Will he get convicted? Will th Lakers do the damn thing? We shall see...

I'm out like that girl's name from the Kobe case still isn't. Peace!

I had to start a new paragraph for this section. Save the best for last. Hillis, do you remember when you typed "Qoolout, you will never find anything I posted that is even remotely close to me saying that Hey Ya is hip hop simply because it was done by a hip hop artist. Never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever find that... ok?"? I was shocked, stunned and surprised. I was like, maybe I am seriously having memory problems because I could have sworn you said something at least remotely close to that. So I was all set to say my bad and admit that you were correct, when I scrolled up to Oct 8, 2003 once again. Dag, you were talking some nonsense on that day. On that day you posted "Hey Ya" is a hip hop song because it's a hip hop artist who made the song in the general style of hip hop. Okay, I'm not even gonna call you a lair for that. I'ma go ahead and say you made a mistake. Surly you either didn't mean to type this or you had forgotten you typed it. But the sad truth is YOU typed it. I guess never came sooner than you realized. I am literally jumping up and down like a six year old on Christmas Eve awaiting your reply to this disdainful news. I mean if you would have never said this nonsense then you'd have a point, but for some reason you did. You really did say it. Checkmate. I'm out like your creditability.

Look at this bamma callin checkmate when my king is safely guarded by my rook and my bishop while my queen is wrecking shop on his pawns and knights! I bet he thinks football games are over in the 3rd quarter... bamma.

I'll give you your props. You almost had me. Almost. You came closer than Best or Rob or any poor sap who had the nerve to challenge me in a debate of facts and not opinion. But you still fail miserably. This is what I said:

"You said hip hop is more than "rapping and singing," but you try and dismiss Hey Ya as not a hip hop song because "cuz doesn't even rap." So hip hop is more than rapping and singing, but not when it comes to Outkast, because you don't like them. That seems to be the direction of your argument if you ask me." - H3K on 10/8/03

Hold up! It looks like you forgot to post the sentence following it! I said that seems to be your argument! Key word being "seems!" You tried real hard and thought I wouldn't notice, but dude, I'm just too nice with my debate skills. So again, I did NOT accuse you of anything. I just told you how it looked to me. Honestly, I DO think that the only reason you say Hey Ya isn't hip hop is because you don't like Outkast. Now, if I'm wrong about what it seems like, fine. But I'm not saying that I have found irrefutable evidence to any effect so you are wrong. Absolutely wrong. Again. Honestly, I DO think that the only reason you say Hey Ya isn't hip hop is because you don't like Outkast. And if you say that's not true, I won't believe you. So now, I AM accusing you of only saying Hey Ya isn't hip hop simply because you don't like Outkast. The accusation is now official. Based on your posts, I can't see how it's any other way! I may be wrong, but I don't believe I am. Any explanation you give, I won't believe, simply based on your other posts. But next time you post something of mine, make sure you don't try and be slick and leave out a crucial part to help your vicious lies. Vicious, vicious lies...

I'm bout to break numerous copyright laws here, but FUCK OUTTA HERE with this HORRIBLE ass recant of why you said Hey Ya ain't hip hop!!! What in the hell??? Dude, that was plain pathetic! So let me get this straight. You saying Hey Ya ain't hip hop followed directly by cuz does not rap and cuz does not spit one verse are not all directly connected??? LMAO! Ok, fine. I'll accept it. So you say Hey Ya ain't hip hop, and that's it? No reason? No points? No facts? All you could muster up was "Hey Ya is not hip hop?" LMAO! That's even worse! This is another reason why I am now officially accusing you of saying Hey Ya ain't hip hop because you don't like Kast! What makes you think that you can get away with calling a song not hip hop and have absolutely no valid reason for doing so? You're joking, right?! I know you're trying to save yourself for DOUBLE TALKIN about Kast, but that was a weak move! So can you explain why Hey Ya isn't hip hop to you? Because just sayin Hey Ya ain't hip hop isn't gonna cut it! Maybe in the Foolout School for Wack Ass Debate Tactics that garbage flies with an A+, but in real debate you have to have something to back up your statements - no matter how INCORRECT they are... lol I guess in the Foolout School for Incoherent Babble one could say, "I don't like Asians. Asians killed my parents." and then later say, "Oh, the fact that they killed my parents is not why I don't like Asians!" LMAO! As a journalism/english/clown major you're supposed to know better than to write in a manner that is vague and ambiguous! If I took another one of my famous polls, I bet at first glance 10 out of 10 people would make the same conclusion about your two "different" sentences! lol

The people in my polls don't post because they're too busy laughing at your terrible debate skills... lol

Again, your strongest "point" comes on the weakest topic. You're claiming that most of the world doesn't like hip hop, so therefore most of the world doesn't like Pass the C. Fine. I thought it was obvious that I was talking within the scope of hip hop fans, but I guess you either missed that, or in some terrible attempt at saving face are trying to discredit the popularity of Pass the C. Fine. So by your STUPID logic, the majority of the world doesn't listen to Jadakiss, so we can assume they don't like Jadakiss, so therefore it can be used to say he is a wack rapper, even though the majority of HIP HOP fans feel Jadakiss. And for for the record, your current explanation doesn't follow along with your original statement. Your original statement was that the majority of the world hasn't heard Pass the C. Your recent statement is that the majority of the world doesn't hear hip hop, so they must not like it, so they must not like Pass the C (again, STUPID logic). Whether or not they do or do not play hip hop in Iraq, Egypt, Japan, etc. if they haven't heard the song, your point is invalid. If they haven't heard it, how can you say they don't like it??? You can ASSume all you want that they don't like hip hop, but your "point" doesn't help your case. In fact, it's stupid! Remember the classic "Green Eggs and Ham?" Homeboy said he didn't like green eggs and ham, but had actually never tried them. But when he did try them, he liked them. Or ever see Pulp Fiction? Samuel L said, "A sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know cause I'd never eat the filthy muthafucka." So until they've actually heard Pass the C, you cannot say they don't like it.

Ok, Qoolout, I know you like to flatter yourself, but you need to realize that you were NOT the only one who dissed Outkast. Someone else dissed them, too. Did you ever think I was looking for someone else's opinion other than yours? Maybe you only read my posts, and if so, then I'm flattered. But please don't think that your posts are the only one I read and respond to. When I was asking about hip hop, I was responding to you, Trife, H*WOOD, Sterling Clover, and really, just about a rap topic in general. And yeah, I responded to you when you said that you never said Outkast wasn't hip hop. I agree and still agree that you never said that. I then proceeeded to talk about a totally different statement of yours. I apologize if you felt the need to defend yourself on not saying Outkast isn't hip hop, but it was unnecessary because I NEVER tried to make that point against you specifically.

You're still wrong about Missy and Busta. Posting 5 songs when they've made 4 or 5 albums each is not gonna cut it like your wack ass Hey Ya isn't hip hop statement. "Eack" is a cross between weak and wack - without the "w"... And yeah, you can like Rodman, but I made that guard statement cause you made that little statement about me only likin folks with no skill that can only dunk. You ain't slick, negro...

Regarding the Kobe case, of course we would feel different if that were our daughter/sister/mother or anyone in our family. But what if Kobe was our brother/father/son? How is it fair that this girl can anonymously drag Kobe's name through the mud, and we still don't know if he's guilty? I'm not saying she's lying, but if you're in Kobe's family, you probably believe him, so you probably don't think it's fair that she can remain anonymous since she is over 18. I tend to agree. If you're going to make a claim against someone that could ruin his/her career, marriage, and put him/her in jail for life, you shouldn't be able to hide because you're the alleged victim. Now, I also agree that if it's supposed to be kept anonymous that a paper that prints her name should be banned or whatever it is they do to newspapers for violating journalistic integrity. Of course, it is kind of funny that you feel that way when you have violated all types of journalistic integrity in your debate against me... lol

I'll save the best for last, too. I don't know why you're anticipating my reply like a 6 year old on Christmas Eve! You should be running like a 6 year old from the Boogie Man. Like I said, and still say, I never said anything REMOTELY close to Hey Ya is hip hop simply because it's by a hip hop artist. I said, and still say, Hey Ya is hip hop because it was done by a hip hop artist in the general style of hip hop. And I went on to explain this by comparing it to Biggie's Playa Hater. You keep conveniently ignoring this comparison, probably because you know I'm right. Just like I agreed that if Pac sang in the opera, it wouldn't be hip hop simply because Pac is a hip hop artist, it would be an opera. But if Pac did a song about ridin on Bad Boy and he sang the whole time and his singing was bad, but the beat was a hip hop beat and you knew Pac was having fun and not taking his singing serious, THEN that song would be hip hop. I'll tell you now that being a hip hop artist does not presuppose (is that word too big?) that a song by that artist is hip hop, BUT it can be part of a reason why it is hip hop. Key phrase: "can be part." As in, not the entire reason, but part. Part! (is that word too big?) Usually, if Jay-Z, Nas, 2Pac, BIG, Snoop, Eminem, Outkast, Ludacris, Scarface, Jadakiss, etc. come out with a song, it's usually hip hop. Usually! If Shania Twain and Faith Hill do songs, they're usually country. Usually! So if Shania came out with a song that followed along with the criteria that determine a country song, the fact that she is a country singer would serve to strengthen the argument that the song is country. Outkast being hip hop artists STRENGTHENS my argument that Hey Ya is hip hop. STRENGTHENS! It is NOT the whole argument or the base of my argument as I CLEARLY conveyed by my statement!

There's a song By Eazy-E and Dr. Dre called "Automobile." It is a hip hop classic. In this song, neither Dre nor Eazy rap. They do not spit one verse. They sing over a countryish beat. Still, it is by two hip hop artists made in the general style of hip hop. I doubt any country singer would ever claim the song in their genre. If you've never heard the song, then you may not be able to debate over the point. I challenge you to download it and listen to it, and then come up with an argument that it's not a hip hop song.

Now, you got your wish and I bet it's the proverbial bitter pill to swallow. You tried, but failed. Now, come back with some more nonsense so I can embarass you further... like Tampa Bay embarassed the Redskinnies. Bamma. Out like my credability... Negro, please!

I'm out like the Bucs over Wash(ed up)ington. Peace!

Uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh, oh-no no... That one big ass lump of garbo just keeps gettin more ridiculous than the previous. Let me break things down for you.

A) If you wanted "Hey Ya is not a hip hop song" and "Cuz does not rap" to be considered separate, why didn't you include "furthermore" the first time? Or "plus" or "and?" Like I said, you should know better than to write in a vague and ambiguous manner. Your big ass lump paragraph is already a journalistic no no, so how can you sit there and act like it's easy to tell when you decide you want to switch points or go in another direction? Are you sure you got your degree in English? I hope you didn't write your papers with that dumb ass format. Every sentence is not always independent of the following or preceding sentence. Sentences (that's plural) can be used TOGETHER to make up an argument. Otherwise, an argument would be one long run-on sentence, which you should know is a grammatical no no. Check your argument for Deion being the best player in the NFL in his prime. You used about 5 sentences for your argument. Are you seriously saying that every sentence in that paragraph is independent and that they don't actually all tie together? NEGRO PLEASE! "You're a joke!"

B) You're still on that idiotic Iraq, Japan, Egypt mess? Negro, that argument doesn't make sense. If they haven't heard the song, how do you know they don't like it?! I can't believe you're trying to defend that stupidity! And that urine analogy doesn't follow what you're saying about Pass the C. "I would never gulp urine" and "I don't like urine" are two different statements. Urine may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'll never know because I ain't gulpin it. But if you say, "I don't like urine" it means that you HAVE gulped it, and can make a valid assessment. So no, you can't say you don't like urine until you've gulped it. Just like green eggs and ham. You missed the point of that story, huh? Homeboy didn't say, "I do not want green eggs and ham." He said he didn't LIKE them. But he ate them and he DID like them. Homeboy was wrong! Just like you! Wrong, wrong, wrong.

C) If you make a statement that Busta and Missy's songs have no point, all I need to do is mention one song to disprove your statement. I don't care if you go out and post more songs. Gossip Folks by Missy has a point. Pussycat by Missy has a point. I Know What You Want by Busta has a point. Everything Remains Raw by Busta has a point. And I'm not trying to hurt you by "dissing" Jadakiss (did you really post that? lol). I'm just using Jadakiss examples because I know you like him and maybe if you look at the situation through Jadakiss, maybe you'll see the error of your ways. For example, Jadakiss has no point on the Made U Look (remix). Can I use that one verse and say Jadakiss never has a point? No. And you wouldn't let me. So just cause you find a couple of songs where Missy/Busta have no point doesn't make you right. You're just wrong. I'm sorry, but you are!

D) You're still a joke! Again, I'll post what I said. "Hey Ya is a hip hop song because it is done by a hip hop artist in the general style of hip hop." It's one sentence that is connected and you fail to see "in the general style of hip hop." I'll type it again because you seemed to have missed it the 5 other times it was posted. "Hey Ya is a hip hop song because it was done by a hip hop artist in the genral style of hip hop." Again, I want to remind you of the "in the general style of hip hop" part because you keep missing it for some odd reason (cough cough smokescreen cough cough lousy debate skills cough cough)... So again, I didn't say anything remotely close to Hey Ya is hip hop simply because it was done by a hip hop artist. Again, I challenge you to find where I said anything close to that.

E) Since you just came from church, let me drop a little religious knowledge on you. People who have followed your "seperatist sentence" logic have continually misinterpreted the Bible and tried to justify their beliefs, even when they were in direct conflict with other parts of the Bible. There are parts of the Bible which tell "slaves to honor and love their masters" which was used as proof to keep Blacks in slavery. Despite the fact that Jesus and all of the New Testament (as well as the beloved Constitution) would point otherwise, they used that one scripture as "proof."

"You said hip hop is more than "rapping and singing," but you try and dismiss Hey Ya as not a hip hop song because "cuz doesn't even rap." So hip hop is more than rapping and singing, but not when it comes to Outkast, because you don't like them. That seems to be the direction of your argument if you ask me." - H3K on 10/8/03

Those sentences are connected and if you're not bright enough to realize that then I refuse to debate on this topic anymore. Just because you think sentences are always separate doesn't mean it's a grammatical law. Because it is most certainly not! And if you still need further proof, I used "that" in the last sentence, which is a demonstrative pronoun clearly referring to the previous sentence. Bamma.

F) I don't want you to argue against "Automobile" or "Player Hater." I want you to argue against "Hey Ya" which you STILL have not done! Not once yet have you given any reason to why you think Hey Ya isn't hip hop (actually, you did but you're now trying to take it back cause you got caught DOUBLE TALKIN). As far as someone who doesn't know Outkast knowing Hey Ya is hip hop, they might not know! They may sense it through the beat or through Andre's style, but maybe not. Just like if someone didn't know Big or Eazy they might not know Player Hater or Automobile are hip hop and not R&B or country, respectively. But once they heard Outkast, BIG, or Eazy, then they would understand. Now, you go. Why isn't Hey Ya hip hop?

G) I also just thought of another reason your logic is moronic. You say, "Since most stations don't play hip-hop we can assume that most people don't like hip-hop." That's not true at all! Just because 97.3 or WASH might play country does not mean most/all/some/none of the listeners or DJs don't like hip hop. That just means they dedicated the station to country or people who are listening to it want to hear country! You mean to say that all the stations that don't play hip hop must automatically not like it?! HA! Again you are wrong and that's a stupid statement. Most TV stations do not air any form of athletic competition. So by your idiotic logic, that must mean the majority of the world does not enjoy some form of athletic competition! LMAO! You're a joke!

H) Quit flatterin yourself. Face it, you weren't the only one to diss Outkast. Don't feel bad I wasn't directly referring the statement to you. In fact, how bout I take a page from your book of smokescreens and say it was an independent statement that had NOTHING to do with anything anybody said about Outkast? I just happened to mention it at random... lol Nah, I won't get into that tangled web you weave... Go back and look. You weren't the only one who said it, so it wasn't directed specifically to you. Why would I need to be subtle? When have I EVER been subtle? Nigga, if I wanted to accuse you of saying Outkast isn't hip hop, I would have done it! And you know this, so quit actin like I was beatin around the bush with you. Bamma.

I) Last, just because you now say "Cuz does not rap" and "That song (Hey Ya) ain't a hip hop song" weren't related doesn't mean it's true. If I kill somebody, leave my prints on the murder weapon, do it in front of 5 witnesses, have a clear motive, and continuously lie about my alibi, just because I go in the court and plead not guilty doesn't mean I didn't kill dude or will be found innocent. Yeah, nigga, you know better than anybody what you meant. And you know you connected the two. You can lie about it now to save face all you want, "but you and I know what's goin on." You say "That song is not a hip hop song. Cuz does not rap. Nowhere in there does he spit one verse. If you ask me, it sounds more like an R&B joint." Cuz does not rap is surrounded by hip hop and R&B, but according to you, it's not all connected. (Yeah flippin right, lol). So if all that was unconnected, why in the world did you mention cuz does not rap? What was your point? Cuz does not rap, so what? Beyonce doesn't rap. Beyonce doesn't spit one verse. And? So? But you meant, furthermore he does not rap, huh? Why? Why did you mention that? Anybody who heard the song knows he doesn't rap, so you reiterating it is pointless! Anybody who hasn't heard it wouldn't say that mattered before they actually listened to it, so what were you trying to accomplish? You just decided to mention that cuz does not spit one verse, just to type it? LMAO! Get the FUCK OUTTA HERE! You clown...

Man, I'm tired of doin you like LaVar did McCardell, and the Bucs did Wash(ed up)ington! Can't you think of some valid argument without all the nonsense? lol

I'm out like Stephen Davis to a good team. Peace!

"I know I'm not the richest but I'm richer than ya'll/i'm like a young Wilt Chamberlain, all I do is fuck bitches and ball/"--Banks again.....

The Hurricanes are still undefeated...

"2-Pac is the illest" (Sorry Big)

It does NOT look good for Kobe right now....

My pimp hand IS TOO STRONG......

Roy Jones will beat tarver...

Finally Holyfield got his A-S-S whooped like no one has since Holyfield vs Bowe III

I'm picking Joppy to upset Hopkins (Because I dont like Hopkins)

Big ups to King James

What up fam? Will get back to ya later........

Lastly, I can't believe I like the first 2 verses on Holidae Inn; I'm ashamed to admit it but I do. Now that's a funny song. What does he mean when he says the valet looks like he's in the game and is winning? Okay now I'm out like a lying liar who tells lies and then gets caught, but repeats the lies as if they were the truth.

I hope the Yankees lose so these bandwagon Yankee fans can start crying.

Barkley is the best PF and NOT Malone (Hope this dont start an arguement)

Made Men (Benzino) and Murda Inc came 2gether to do a song called G-Unit Killas

UConn will win Final Four this year

Canes WILL win the national championships

Remember those Hillis vs Q vs Dolo vs 3:16 vs Best vs Squirrel Police vs wizzard vs Bob vs Rob battles?

A lot of rappers making references to "Juice" characters

Lebron James CAN be a successful point if forced to carry the burden.

"Michael Jackson's album was called 'Bad' cuz he didnt have room on the cover to call it 'pathetic'"----Prince circa '89

"Michael Jordan is God disguised as Michael Jordan"--Bird circa 88

"Iverson doesn't respect the veterans that been here before him"---Jordan circa 96

"On the court, I don't respect ANYONE"---Iverson circa 96

Peace out. One

Hypothetical situation here; if I ever wanted to murk someone for any reason, even one as silly as not realizing a bunch of hitmakers when he sees em, that person would be murked six feet under and pushin up daisies while sleepin with the fishes... lol

Qoolout, I think we're beating a dead horse on a few issues. First of all, I think we both agree that "Hey Ya is hip hop because it is done by a hip hop artist" and "Hey Ya is hip hop because it is done by a hip hop artist in the general style of hip hop" are two different statements. However, you feel they are remotely close; I don't. We're not gonna budge on our opinions, so let's move on. Second, you say that "Hey Ya ain't hip hop" and "Cuz does not rap" aren't related, but I don't believe you. Fine. We can move on. Following on those same lines, I say that my question about hip hop was not direted at you. You don't believe me. We won't budge on that and since they're opinion based, it's moot to argue that.

Still, there are a couple of my points backed up by facts that you still keep trying to put all these irrelevant twists on to sway them in your favor, but you're still wrong!

A) I don't care how many idiotic analogies you come up with; your logic about most people not liking Pass the C even though they've never heard it is ridiculous! If you're honest with yourself - HONEST, Qool - you'd know full well if you asked someone who'd NEVER heard Pass the C if they liked it, they would respond "What's Pass the C?" Then, if you told them it was a hip hop song, true, they might go "Well, I might not like it since it's hip hop" but they would probably concede that since they haven't ever heard it, they don't know. You like Jadakiss, right? Therefore, by your logic, you MUST like EVERY Jadakiss song! Maybe you do, but I doubt that it's simply because you like Jadakiss in general. It's probably because you heard all of Jada's cuts. Piss here, piss there, change the channel to sports, blah, blah, blah, whatever! You're wrong! You cannot sit here and assume someone doesn't like a song they've never heard! And you, Qoolout, maybe can assume YOU don't like urine without ever tasting it. But you cannot assume it for another person! And maybe you can assume about people not liking hip hop in general. But you absolutely cannot assume anything about one particular song! You're still wrong and you'll continue to be wrong no matter how many stupid ass twists you think of!

B) You missed the point about the court case. Maybe you did it in cold blood. Maybe you did it in self defense. The point is, just going, "Your honor, I know better than anyone whether it was self defense or not" is not a valid point. It doesn't strengthen your case. It's just a statement that the judge will look at you and go "Prove it!"

C) I can't believe you have so much trouble grasping basic grammatical setups! You were an English major! A clown, yes, but an English major, too. Or so you claim. Anyway, how in the world do you not understand the function of the pronoun "that?" The pronoun "that" cannot stand alone! If I came in here and said, "Qool, that's what I'm talkin about!" you'd either have to already know what "that" represents; otherwise you would ask me "What are you talkin about?" Remember, these examples only work if you are HONEST with yourself. "That" had to represent something. Now, the sentence went "That seems to be the direction of your argument if you ask me." So, again, remember "that" refers to something else. I have explained to you what "that" refers to. "That" clearly refers to "So hip hop is more than rapping and singing, but not when it comes to Outkast, because you don't like them." If I'm losing you because you're slow, the next time I post, I'll break it down again for you. For the 4th time. But let's say you're still with me. "That" refers to "So hip hop is more than rapping and singing, but not when it comes to Outkast, because you don't like them." So, in essence - and remember I am backed by basic grammatical principles - I said "So hip hop is more than rapping and singing, but not when it comes to Outkast, because you don't like them seems to be the direction of your argument if you ask me." Remember, Qool, you have to be HONEST - which you haven't been doing.

So, I'll give you all that other stuff about "remotely" and "cuz does not rap." But we can argue til Jesus comes back about you being absolutely WRONG about assuming someone doesn't like Pass the C and that "That seems to be the direction of your argument" is CLEARLY referring to "So hip hop is more than rapping and singing, but not when it comes to Outkast, because you don't like them." Unlike you, I am backing my argument up with FACTS, and you just come up with totally irrelevant analogies. So just because your debate skills are way strong like mine doesn't mean you have to act like you muphukin Ron O'Neal. Bamma.

3-3, huh? Prepare to go 7-9! You'll be plottin on a runnin game next year, bamma.

I'm out like a lying liar who doesn't have debate skills way strong like Hillis. Peace!

Despite that fact that it's only me and Qool and J-Dolo "erynownden" with a post, I figure I might try to extend some topics to other posters - who aren't postin - so they can get in this, too. Does anybody care about this baseball series stuff? Me, I can't stand when it's baseball season because no football or basketball is on, but the playoffs kinda be interesting. I'm somewhat of a Cubs fan, but definitely not die hard. I mean, I cheer for em, but when they don't win, I ain't pissed for days like I am when the Vols, Titans, or Lakers lose. That Martinez stuff was funny when he slammed that old ass man into the turf... I just want to say that I think Luda's ew album is 5 mics. My pleas will fall on deaf ears for sure, but "Hoes In My Room" with Snoop is funny as hell. Also, "Diamond in the Back," "Southern Fried Intro," and "Hard Times" are superb. Now there are some songs on there called "We Got," "Screwed Up," "Stand Up" and "P Poppin" which I love, but I must admit, they are EXTREMELY southern (Screwed Up has Freestyle King H*WOOD's ass himself, Lil Flip). However, I'm diggin this more than his previous albums, which I also loved. So at least check out Hoes In My Room with Snoop off of Kazaa or somethin.

Barkley was the PF off all PFs. At 6-6 he was more dominant than a bunch of these 6-10, 6-11 bozos. In his prime he played about 7-1. He's definitely better than Malone, who is no slouch, but Barkley was better... G-Unit Killa? Benzino, please! You suck! Stop this madness!

I'm out like Benzin-ho. Peace!

I broke down and got Sheek's solo thing. Question. I'm not thru the whole cd yet, but I heard my boy Jada on two of them so far. How come he blows away Sheek on his own track? I'm not being biased. I'll get the name of it and post it if need be. So the question is, does it hurt an artist to be outdone so badly by his guest, or do people just ignore it and focus in on how tight the verse is? Jae Hood has a nice spit on there too.

I do like baseball and I can go to the game and watch it. But I don't enjoy it that much on TV. I root for B-More since the District doesn't have a team... YET. But it is way more fun to play it. In fact, I played it with my job and we went all the way to the championship. The TA Dodgers (I had nothing to do with that name). We lost, so we went home with second place, but this was my rookie year, (with them). Next year...all the way baby. I'm not trying to get in it again with you Hill (or bring it to you again) but I can't stand that bamma Luda. At least I'm not alone with this though, like with Outkast. As for those PF's J-Dolo mentioned, they both were pretty good in their prime, but until you get a ring you ain't done. Most people throw Dan M outta Miami in my face, or Jim Kelly or even my favorite player R dot Miller when I speak on not getting a ring. And all of them peeps are great examples of great players who never won it all. But I think the major goal is to win a championship. Which is why the TA Dodgers will do just that in 04!

I'm creating this poetic, method, rhetoric that stays connected/
destroying your hectic, pathetic, prosthetic, beheaded lines that need a medic/
I could end it but forget it, I'm going for extra credit//

I shoot slugs & kill thugs, you rather snuggle & hug thugs/
I’ll blast you open and use your fur as my seat rug//

You won’t your shit to be hard hitting? Try digging up Ty Cobb/*
I’ll still burn and stab your lines like shish kabobs//

Stop with the Bullish, you don't want trouble/
you fucking with a real nigga, not a stunt double/
cause running against bullets will make ya blood fumble//

I can't claim to be God, but I recognize sin/
Only reason you listen to 50, is cause you stay with Many Men//**

Your only Instrumental is blowing on niggas genitals/
Fuck your Prince quote cause they know who's the smooth criminal/***
Who breaks your DNA down from every ounce to every mineral/
ship the remains to your family to sprinkle it over their cereal//

Package courtesy of you know who/
how the fuck you expect to battle now, your mom just swallowed you//****

Just back down, cause there’s no chance of victory...
That’s the reality, you’d be more likely to get Star Jones to burn a calorie/
Or Terell Owens to reduce his salary//

Cause I study logically, and eat MC’s precisely/
No need to continue & battle me//

It’s like Allen Iverson getting on the mic and rappin, again/
I’m David Stern, best believe that shit ain’t gonna happen//*****

Just incase some people didn’t get some of my metaphors, here is a glossary to kinda figure out my sick twisted thoughts. I’m pretty sure most of you guys will get it, but the newbies might be curious.

*Ty Cobb is the former hit king of baseball (Pete Rose broke the record). The racist bastard is dead just in case you didn't know.

**J-Dolo mentioned he was rapping on the Instrumental of the Many Men beat, I related the line towards that.

***J-Dolo put a quote where Prince was dissing Michael Jackson. Jackson made a song called Smooth Criminal.

****I'm not sure if people still say this or not. But the old saying "Your Mom Should have swallowed you" is referencing that your mom should have given oral instead of fucking when they conceived you. It's a harsh way of saying I wish you were never born. I kinda flipped it, so it made sense to my earlier cannibal metaphor.

*****I made a paly on J-Dolo quoting Allen Iverson. If you remember he tried to start a rap career until David Stern the commissioner of the NBA put an end to it.

I'm surprised you didn't mention Elvin Hayes, Qool. Where's the love for the great Washington Bullets PF, Qool! Especially the part when you were talking about great players not getting a ring. Considering that Elvin got one. I was waiting for you to scream out Elvin, what's up? I'm happy I got NBA TV & ESPN Classics cause I really get to see how these players played back then, instead of hearing about it or looking at a stat book. I think Elvin could probably hang with them. Only thing he doesn't have on them is probably size. Charles & Malone could body him in the post probably.

Kevin McHale wasn't bad either during those Celtic title runs. But I don't think he would have been as dominate against 90's version of Charles (90-93) or Malone (95-98). He was able to handle a young skinny Charles but not CB in his prime. Malone has been consistent but not really overachieving. I think his success is due more to longevity in the league. His stats will look better, but like Qool said it's always that elusiveness of a championship that hurts him & CB. I think as a player, Charles has the title right now. Duncan has not only matched their highest credentials in 6 years, but surpassed them. If he continues his pace, and grabs their records, he will bump them off.

For the record I'm waiting for Bill O'Reilly to be hit with a scandal just like Rush did. These fools go on air and act like they are perfect, as if they do no wrong. Then this fool Rush is caught with Oxycotinin (a.k.a. Hillbilly Heroine) pain killers. Bill is next I know it. What he did to Luda was wrong, and down right hypocritical & racist. He didn't attack when Ozzy Ozbourne & his family for doing those Pepsi commercials. Jack is known drug abuser, as so Ozzy. They cuss like crazy on MTV which is a station that attracts teens. What's the deal! I'm happy at least that Russell regulated on Pepsi. And I'm happy Luda dissed Bill on his new album. Mark my words, Bill will slip up and get caught in a scandal. Then the whole world will see guys like him for who they are.

I ain't gonna lie I've been feeling Ja lately. I listened to this track called Bang Bang on Caddillac Tah's album. I kinda like Ja's verse. He seems to kinda be reverting back to his Venni Vetti Vecci days. But I think it's too little, too late, cause the past two years he has killed his street cred.

Is it just me or is everyone doing double albums now? I guess people can't be original anymore, they still wanna be like Pac. Besides that point other than Pac's & Biggies they have all been garbage. I don't think Ja Fool will break that trend either with his double album.

Imagine that, William Sloppy beating Bernard Hopkins. I'm not a Hopkins fan either, and for damn sure not a Joppy fan. I could careless about that fight. I'm just hoping for Tito to come back, and the rest of the boxing world can fuck they self. Most of these fools is getting pimped by Don King anyway. I'm happy my dawg Fernando V doing is own thing with promotion. At least he knows what boxers go through on the grind unlike King.

Jada is simply a better Emcee than Sheek. Bar None, pointblank. Out of all The Lox tracks I have, there is not one where I think Sheek outshines Jada. Simply put, if Jada is the Illest in the group, and Styles is the Pippen to Jada's Jordan. Then Sheek is the Rodman of the group. He simply does not give a fuck about the flow. That's not necessarily a bad thing. But he's there for more of the emotion then the lyricism. If you noticed Jada & Styles don't really switch their flow up. It's pretty much the same deal on every track. But Sheek is more louder, and is more emotional on the tracks. He's the one ad-libbing the most, talking shit, saying Fuck the world! Just like Rodman got the team up with his attitude, that's how Sheek contributes.

I think Just Blaze explained how colabos are done nowadays perfectly. He said it's more about promotion than just getting together and doing a track. Sometimes the two artist don't even have to record the song together. They just lay their vocals on the beat, and send it off to the artist to rap on it. The whole mentality is, if I get this rapper on my CD that means more sells cause they are the top people in the game right now. I think the artist who hand picks these artist to do their songs aren't as worried about getting outshined, as they are about the sales. With Sheek & Jada its kinda different cause of them being a group. But think about it... why the hell has Jada been featured on almost every Ruff Ryder album? Sheek hasn't, Styles hasn't...but always Jada???

I've said enough

Copyright Hillis
I'm out like that dude in the stands who fucked up the Cubs in game 6. Expect that fool to be lying in Lake Michigan soon...I'm also out like the Cubs from the World Series!

Let me get y'alls take on Da Band. I watched the show and them fools had me cracking up with all that fighting and talking about Puff, like he wasn't gonna watch the tape. I wasn't gonna take them serious at first, but I gotta admit that their joint "Bad Boy This & That" is tight. Out of just THAT song, who has the best flow. To me it can be either Ness or Chopper, but right now I say Chopper. I've been going back and forth on this, so next time I post I might be feeling Ness a lil bit more, LOL. Holla.

Hollywood, I can't believe you put fucking footnotes at the end of your battle rap to explain every reference. you're signifying rappers like my boy D.F. Dub.*

* haha sike, I'll let someone else figure that one out.

H*WOOD, that was tight, but I agree with Al that you ain't have to put the explanations at the bottom! You tryin to say we ain't smart enough to get your metaphors???

Foolout, you're still a joke! I let it slide earlier (since this ain't no spellin bee), but since you commented on "eack" lemme just say, quit callin me a "lair!" lol Anyway, "seems" doesn't mean I thought it was one way, but I was wrong. "Seems" means that while the sitaution may look a certain way, you acknowledge that the situation may actually be different. For example, if your girl saw you on the street huggin some fine ass broad and then go into her apartment, it may SEEM like you're cheating on her. But your girl may acknowledge that in actuality, there's a legitimate explanation. The girl might be a cousin you ain't seen in a long time and she's taking you up to visit your aunt and uncle! So I was saying that it SEEMS like you were bending your definition of hip hop to discredit Outkast, but I was acknowledging that in actuality you knew better than to come up with some wack ass "Hey Ya ain't hip hop/cuz does not rap" argument. Of course, since then, I do believe that was your wack ass argument. You say it's not; I don't believe you. But we've moved on so you don't have to defend yourself anymore.

Sure, you may not have to take the stand with 5 people testifying, but (again) THAT IS IRRELEVANT! The fact is, "Your honor, I know better than anybody it was self defense" is not valid evidence! Yes, I agree - you know better than anybody what you meant. But that could mean that you know better than anybody that it really WAS cold blooded murder. Maybe the man liked Outkast and you tryin to start poppin off people But just saying that without proving it means nothing! You can say it all you want, but no one will believe you if you just say that with no evidence! Bamma ass analogies...

I think H*WOOD hit the nail on the head, the spike on the side, and the tack in the middle with his view on Sheek and Jada. Back when I used to hate the Lox - mainly Jada and Styles - I still found Sheek highly amusing, because his emotion sort of combined with his wack rhymes to be entertaining. It used to baffle me that a lot of people would mention that Jada of the Lox was good, and I'd be like "I only really feel Sheek because he funny as hell." Of course, NOW, I think Jada is the standout member, so it's not really that bad that Jada murks Sheek. I mean, if Jada murked Nas, Jay, Em, Big, Pac, or anybody in the upper echelon of rap (I would mention Kast, 50 and Luda, but I know how Qool feels about them) THEN it would be bad. But Jada murkin Sheek? Nah, playa, that ain't bad; that's just reality.

Did someone say Madden?! As in 2004? Don't y'all know I'm the greatest??? Me and my boys play 3 min quarters and it be on like thigh bone - whatever that means. Lots of smack talkin, but of course I'M the best...

Ludacris takes a shot at Bill O'Reilly on "Hoes In My Room" and "Blow It Out." He only mentions Bill once on each song. It ain't Ether (shittin all over Takeover) or Hit Em Up. "Blow It Out" as a song is aiight, but "Hoes in My Room" is definitely the cut.

I'm not about to listen to Da Band. Their whole existence is a huge gimmick. You see them lame ass niggas fightin on a reality show and from what I already said I heard on the radio, I think they wack. Of course, Diddy is wack, too, so what can I expect?!

That line about 50 and Many Men was almost - ALMOST - as funny as Freestyle King my ass...

I'm out like Bill "Ho"Reilly. Peace!

And another thing, Qoolio... Don't be tryin to have some debate with me about whether or not Andre 3000 is serious when he's singing! You've listened to all of 5 or 6 Outkast songs, so you ain't anywhere near some type of expert. Just cause the boy next door was a fan, doesn't mean you took in any knowledge. Take what you know about Kast, multiply it by 100 and you'd still only know half what I do. I been listenin to Kast hard core since 1996 - your freshman year in Qlown Qollege. Andre 3000 has been singing on tracks since Aquemini (1998), and he ain't never claim to be Luther on them, so I don't know why all of a sudden he would think he is now. I mean, he is singing seriously in the fact that he is in tune and on key, but as far as being the next Brian McKnight? Hell naw. And on the album, you can tell that he is not singing seriously. Try and listen to a song called "Roses" and tell me you honestly think he is being serious. Also, one of the reasons you stated that "Automobile" and "Player Hater" are hip hop was mainly because of the topics, but you failed to state the topic of "Hey Ya" and how it was different, so I wonder what was the reason of bringing it up? I can tell you that Hey Ya is probably about a couple in a sexual relationship and that they shouldn't try to take it further. Of course, I agree that the topic would strengthen the argument for Automobile and Player Hater, but I don't think that should be one of the strong points, simply because we both know that hip hop doesn't have to be solely based on bitches, hoes, sex, robbery, and murder. I respect your opinion and reasons (even though it took 5 or 6 posts for you to muster it up); however, I think if you were more familiar with Outkast, you MAY feel different. Outkast has songs like "Funky Ride" "Spottieottiedopalicious" "Liberation" and "Toilet Tisha" whereby one may not recognize them as hip hop if they ain't know it was Kast. But to me, Hey Ya ain't that out of the ordinary since I'm more familiar with their work. Of course, you may have heard all the songs and still think they ain't hip hop. That's your opinion. Fair enough.

I been racking my brain for a while to come up with a verse, and I had writer's block for a good minute. I haven't written since I was murkin Qool last April! But I came up with a random battle verse that's not really directed at anybody - just to try and get back in to spittin. If it sucks, I apologize to all my fans and will work on getting back up to par...

"Uh, uh, uh, poetic this, POETIC THAT, you fuckin with the most DREADED cat/you gon be lyrically beHEADED, cat, beef with me? you better DEAD IT cat//I gotta be alone at the top thanks to my ego and my selfishness/"Why you murder your opponents like that?" your honor, it was self defense//you must be insane thinkin you can outrhyme me/you'll face a death that's painful and untimely//plus, I'm playing your girl quite nice like Deion and two sports/she say you get in where you fit in because your dick's Too $hort//that's probably why she would let me GO IN her RAW/when she with you she said it's like she's BLOWIN a STRAW//but you can stop playin that straight role like you're the HARDEST of TODAY/I should call you MARVIN cause you STARVIN and you GAY(e)//yeah I said it; you're a FAG, a COWARD/on dates, dudes be bringing you the BATCH of FLOWERS!"

It's kind of random with the direction, but hey, it's got some promise!

I'm out like these Panthers to the Tight Titans. Peace!

Looks like this thang is sick again, so I'm gonna throw some more stuff out there...

Qool, I know you got Beyonce's album and I assume you like it. I've been seeing the collabos and listening to a few tracks and I must say it's a solid effort. She got Luther, your favorite Missy Elliot, and Jay on 2 tracks. I like em all, plus the Sean Paul song is nice.

What's with the Bucs? They let soft ass San Fran put the smack down on em! I think they gon fall under .500 next week cause them Cowboys are coin to play. I think Bill Parcells is probably the greatest coach ever in my opinion. However, I'd say he's undeniably the greatest of the current coaching era. I have to give props to Vince Lombardi and Bill Walsh, cause they, too, did fine jobs in their times. And there's Dick Vermeil, who also does the damn thing. However, Parcells seems to improve a team as soon as he steps on the sidelines. Parcells exhibits the formula that I think it takes to win in the NFL...

I get tired of hearing you "have" to run in the NFL. Defense wins championships. All these other moronic cliches suck. You only need 2 things to win in the NFL. Personnel and chemistry. Schemes are important, true, but you don't get to be a head coach or coordinator in the NFL without having a grasp on the NFL schemes. But Parcells understands that personnel and chemistry are the two biggest things needed. Ultimately, you gotta have good players. Heart and desire can only get you so far when you're playing someone decidely better than you. But generally in the NFL the talent gap isn't as wide as college. For example, it's not unheard for teams like the Texans or Bengals to beat temas like the Colts or the Chiefs. But that won't happen too often. So for the playoff caliber teams, chemistry takes them over the top. The Bucs all came together at the right time cause of chemistry. The Eagles always beat that ass, but not when it mattered cause the Bucs were "gellin." That's why coaches like Tony Dungy, Parcells, Vermeil, and Lombardi in his day are/was so good. They get their players to believe in themselves and play above their physical talent. Even though Herm Edwards' Jets are 2-4 and Cowher's Steelers, too, they both get their players to play at their highest level, and the Jets and Steelers will be competing for a playoff spot later on. And though the Bengals and Texans are weak personnel wise, once Lewis and Capers have more time implementing his scheme and personnel they will compete, too. I think the coach may take too much blame when a lot of players or good teams fail, but ultimately it falls on the players. But you do have a few coaches who will be difference makers - not because they scheme the best or "coach" the best. It's because they bring an attitude of winning and believing in your teammates, coach, and your scheme. Chemistry and personnel. Take Dallas. Parcells doesn't have that good of a team. Quincy Carter was like third string last year. Their running game is aiight. Their defense ain't all that. But they're winning because Parcells genuinely believes in them, which became infectious. They have beaten some pretty good teams, and beaten the teams they were supposed to. They all believe that they can do it this year (not in two or three), which is why they'll win the East (sorry, Qool). Ultimately they will be exposed for not being that good of a team (remember, personnel is part of it, too), but they show you what chemistry can do, and it should be exciting (at least for Dallas fans) to see what happens once Parcells puts in more of "his" players.

Kobe's case is going to trial. Will we finally officially learn this chick's name?

What was better - TO's TD or Randy's lateral???

I'm out like the Bills on Redskinnies. Peace!

I also think Foolout should worry about this ass whippin he bout to get... but d-d-d-don't t-t-t-take this puh-puh-puh-personally...

Why is it that I can't say if Andre 3000 is serious because I don't know him personally, but YOU can even though you don't know him personally, either?! NEGRO, PLEASE! And let's not even talk about your lame ass evidence - which is highly assumptive anyway! He made a video to it? So flippin what! You've seen the video! He plays the same 7 or 8 characters and is hoppin around in the 60s! That's serious to you?! Besides, he sings on all but one track on the whole album, so pretty much ANY video he makes will have singing on it, so your point that he made a video to a song where he sings is irrelevant. The reason he made a video is probably because he liked that song more than some of the others on the track! That doesn't mean he picked that because it displayed some Lutheresque talent, MORON! And there were times that mama tried to lecture you, and you ain't wanna hear it, you knucklehead lil boy, but my "lecture" was actually RELEVANT to our debate unlike anything you ever say. You ain't got to care, but the fact that I know Outkast WAY better than you pretty much makes my statements about Andre 3000 a lot more plausible than yours! For example, if some bamma (you) came in here and said he'd only heard two Jada (Outkast) tracks and says Jada (Outkast) always spits about money (seriously tries to sing), you'd (I'd) probably (definitely) murk him and say that Jada (Outkast) doesn't because you (I) been listenin to Jada (Outkast) for a minute and can name a dozen songs where Jada (Outkast) spits about some other ill stuff (doesn't seriously sing). Now who's more credibile: you (me), a die hard Jada (Outkast) fan, or some bamma (you) that done heard a few tracks? I'll defeat the purpose of that rhetorical question and say that YOU are (I am), MORON!

Next, at the time I said "SEEMS," I did not assume it was that way or believe it. That's the whole point of the term "SEEMS." A few posts LATER, after you had posted some more comments, that's when I said I believe you said it because you simply don't Outkast. Later! Not at that time! AT THAT TIME, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and I was giving you a chance to explain yourself, which you didn't do until about 3 or 4 posts LATER, so LATER, I said that your hesitance was a reason why I do believe it NOW! See, if you actually comprehended the meaning of the word "SEEMS" you'd have dropped this 15 posts ago. I can't TELL you what you meant with your statements, so why can you TELL me what I meant? What's up with all this double talkin! First with knowing Andre personally, now with what I meant! You need bactrack, regroup, rethink, slow ya roll, etectera, etcetera...

Also, I don't have a problem with you simply saying it was self defense. It's the "knowing better than anyone" part. That doesn't help. At all. Combined with all the evidence that you are innocent, it still means nothing. You might as well have all the evidence and then throw in, "plus I was born in May" or "plus I post on threads in my spare time." It doesn't add at all. The fact that you know better than anyone means nothing. Again, you do know better than anyone whether it was murder or self defense, but since you could be lying and we have no idea based on your say so, it is irrelevant. Saying it doesn't hurt, but it does not help. At all!

"Hey Ya is a gay ass song because it is done by a gay ass artist in the general style of homosexuality." That statement is ALSO not even REMOTELY close to what I said. If you think it is, fine. I can let it go. But like a female, you seem to want to have the last word (lol). Go ahead, have it if you want (leap, frog, leap!)...

When I mentioned the Beyonce collabos, I was actually thinking that you would like them because Beyonce was so fire. I couldn't care less about Sean Paul being on Baby Boy, Beyonce is muphukin flames! We probably all agree that Beyonce has the luxury of actually being able to sing to go with her beauty (unlike J-Lo, Britney). I really just like hearing her on the collabos. Cuz from Kast (Big Boi) is staright with me and so is his boy Sleepy, but I think Beyonce is fire on that, too. Not that I'm dissing Kast, but sometimes you gotta suffer through the storm to get to the rainbow (I can't believe I said that) so suffer through Big Boi/Sleepy just to hear the lovely Ms. Knowles - who Jay-Z and I are cuttin. Anyway, I'll definitely peep the solo cuts as well. LMAO @ "Maybe I don't have it, maybe I don't like it." Yeah... right... my bad... there I go assuming things again...

Dude, you can rep them sorry Redskinnies til the cow(boy)s come home (and wax you). I don't care. But just realize they WILL suffer that ferocious L to a better prepared, better coached... hell, just BETTER team! You see how us Tight Titans did Carolina... you might just need to plot on avoiding the playoffs, cause the end result of any of your success would be to get pummeled in the S dot Bowl by McNair and his Folks. That opening day win seems so long ago...

Man, I'm out like Mister Allen Iverson. Peace!

Yeah, I also know that you didn't know the topic of Hey Ya. So my question was where were you going when you started talking about the topics of Automobile and Playa Hater? You mentioned them being considered hip hop songs at first glance because they was about head and gangsta moves, respectively. But you didn't counter with Hey Ya was about XYZ so I associate XYZ with R&B. You just stated you didn't know the topic, so if it was about head and gangsta moves it SEEMS that following along with your statement about Automobile and Playa Hater, that Hey Ya actually IS hip hop. Of course, now when you said that, why did you bring the topic of a song into the debate? I just didn't follow.

And I also forgot to tell you that Jadakiss has no point on Made You Look (remix). Yeah, sure, you said Nas said the point of the song was X, but I wasn't talkin about the song. I said Jadakiss. His verse is random. Tight, but random and goes from this to that to over there and beyond. He has no point on that track.

On Madden (of course not Pharell/For Real) the Redskinnies have a fire defense with Smoot, Bailey, and Arrington, but they offense on that game is boo boo. Trung, Gardner, and Ramsey are all boo boo. Their line is boo boo. Without Coles, they are plottin for 5 turnovers a game.

I'm out like Pharell. Peace!

Since we got on R&B a little, I'll take this time to say I was wrong about Ashanti. Sister, can sing and she is fine now; I don't know what happened, but "Rain On Me" is my song. She SUNG that joint, and Larenze Tate hooked up the video quite nicely. Hillis, Mariah is another who has the looks to match the voice. Alica too. Lastly, anybody hear Jay's new songs? One of them "Change Your Clothes" is another weak song to me, like "Excuse Me Miss." But the other "What More Can I Say" is grade A status.

Look, MORON, you can say he's serious all you want, and you'll still be absolutely wrong. You may have HEARD Outkast albums, but it's quite obvious you haven't LISTENED to them. If you actually LISTENED to them, you'd stop talkin all this stupid shit about him really trying to sing. As a true fan of Outkast, I can't express how idiotic you sound. You are absolutely wrong. I'm sorry, you can come up with all this crappy ass evidence all day, and you'll still be wrong. You have no idea what you're talking about. I ain't even tryin to clown or demean you (at least not on this), but you're just wrong. And the song doesn't suck; YOU just don't like it. The only thing that sucks fat floppy donkey dick is your terrible arguments! Biggie wrote, performed, and sang Playa Hater on key! Automobile was on key! What are you talkin about? DMX, Jada, Nas, 2Pac, have all sang hooks on key before, but you think they go around tellin people how they sound like Marvin Gaye? NEGRO, PLEASE! I enjoy singing songs, too, but when I sing I ain't tryin to be Luther. People sing all the time on songs, and that don't mean they think they sound good or are trying to impress anybody with their R&B lyrics. You're absolutely wrong about Andre 3000 singing on Hey Ya. You can take your obviously HIGHLY LIMITED knowledge of Outkast and throw it out the window because you have been misinformed. Maybe you think hearing a few songs off an album once or twice constitutes LISTENING, but you're sadly mistaken. Anybody who has REALLY LISTENED to Outkast albums before, knows Andre is not trying to impress with his singing. Now a gospel is a special genre, because topic alone makes the song gospel. But goespel is not like rap, r&b, country, alternative, etc. The style comes into play. Topic doesn't. Songs don't have to be about gangsta moves or head to be considered hip hop. If he was rapping, I'd take him serious probably because he's made FOUR ALBUMS and been seriously rapping since 1993, bamma. When he and Big Boi first started singing on Aquemini, I didn't care if he was serious because the songs were tight. On Stankonia, I know he's not serious because of the way he sings. "Slum Beautiful" and "I'll Call Before I Come" proves my point perfectly. And his little singing intro on "The Whole World" proves I'm right, too. So there's my evidence. Actually songs he's done before and actual knowledge of the subject. Again, you only came with highly assumptive nonsense! So, I really don't care how many videos with singing he makes, YOU'RE STILL WRONG!

Bamma, if we both see he has on red shoes, fine, you can say he has on red shoes. La di freakin da! But that's irrelevant. Him having on red shoes is a fact in your example. What we're talking about is your opinion and me knowing the facts. Can I point to where Andre explicitly said one way or the other? No, but neither can you, so that point is moot! What I have is a better knowledge of the artist than you ever will, and I'm tellin you, he's actually wearing blue shoes, dummy!

You ain't got to lie, Craig, you ain't got to lie... Yes, you do! That's the only way you can save face, NICCA! But since you don't believe me, go read The Source's article on Outkast when they gave em 4 mics. They explain it very well so maybe you can learn something, bamma.

You had me rollin on a couple of things you said... That damn Madden be cheatin up a storm! I can't stand when wide open dudes be droppin perfect passes for no reason, or they be comin up with these wack ass fumbles. Plus, I hate how McNabb, McNair, and Culpepper are all slow as hell. Vick is the only mobile QB with any speed! I rarely play the computer because I be too busy battlin my boys, but when I first got it I did. Man I had Philly on All Madden mode and in the first half I was down 28-0 to Green Bay and had already thrown 5 picks! It was some nonsense! I ain't have NO time to set up and make a good throw. So I ain't playin that nonsense no more... "Just because you followed his whole career, attended all of his local concerts, voted for him on TRL and would take a slug or two for him..." Hell, with 2Pac gone, what else was I supposed to do? lol

You like Ashanti's Rain On Me?! So, how did you not like Can I Live by Jay-Z off Reasonable Doubt? The beat is the exact same! Maybe you should give it a re-listen. Now, I agree Norv Turner wasn't the cause of the downfall of the Redskinnies. Y'all had a super nice team that year (except you caught that L to the Tight Titans that year), but Dan Snyder did WAY too much meddling and messed up the karma. Y'all started losing, Dan blamed Norv, fired him, and y'all season slipped away with L after L after L. That was a clear playoff team until Danny Boy f'ed it up. But with a strong presence like Parcells, you don't have to worry about outside distractions. The team is gonna play hard, make minimal mistakes, and hopefully if the talent is decent, you'll win some games. I think ultimately players play the game as well, but if a Dungy, Parcells, Dick Vermeil or a Marvin Lewis comes available, you snatch him up because he'll definitely have those players playing at the next level. Unfortunately for M. Lewis, his squad is supect. Parcells is suspect, too, but they're winning - even though Tampa did em in. Dungy took a weak team, turned em into a contender, and now they're possible Super Bowl favorites. We all know about Vermeil's success as well. So yeah, coaches ain't that instrumental, but there are a few out there who can make a difference from the sidelines and deserve the big bucks and attention.

I'm out like DallASS from Tampa. Peace!

Qoolout. Come on now. You know good and well I don't care if you like Outkast and I ain't tryin to "make" you like them. But we can forever go back and forth about Andre 3000 tryin to sing seriously...

Dude, I hope you weren't serious with that R. Kelly and Ginuwine shit. If you were too dumb to understand that Luther was an EXAMPLE then you're simply ridiculous. FUCK OUTTA HERE with R. Kelly and Ginuwine don't sound like Luther! Nigga, I know that! I was usin Luther as an example for a REAL R&B singer who takes his SINGING seriously. Damn, if it helps you, you can switch Luther with Ginuwine, R. Kelly, Jon B, Dave Hollister, Montell Jordan, Brian McKnight, Donnell Jones, Teddy Pendergrass, Keith Sweat, Ron Isley, Tank, Jaheim, Billy Ocean, Marques Houston, D'Angelo - shit, pick any male R&B singer your heart desires! The fact is, all those singers are serious R&B singers. They sound good on songs. People enjoy listening to them because they can really sing. They make R&B albums and soul albums. Do you follow? So all I was saying that Andre 3000 doesn't try to sound like a real R&B singer - not Luther, specifically, jack ass. Anyway, why do you give Weird Al the benefit of the doubt? Since you don't know him personally, you can't say he ain't serious, either! Yeah, he may amuse us, but how do you know it's not inadvertent? You don't know Champ Bailey personally; how do you know he really wants the Redskins to win? In case you ain't know, I'm not really making those stupid ass arguments, but I hope they help you realize how clueless you sound.

You obviously haven't listened to Outkast albums. You're either lying or think listening means having heard them once or twice. You say you ain't got to lie, Craig, so I'll assume the latter. Nothing you have said makes me think you have really listened to an album. You even said yourself you mainly listened to the "BS" on the radio, so why would you be a credible listener? Did I expect you to recognize any of the Outkast songs I mentioned? Absolutely not, because I know you're full of shit, proving my point that you have no idea what you're talking about! Do the math, huh? Fine, see if you can follow: Andre and Big Boi have been rappin since 1993. Seriously rapping. The first song where Andre sang was in 1998 on Aquemini and that was on ONE song whereas the album has 16 tracks. Then on Stankonia in 2000 he sang on FOUR songs, whereas the album had 24 tracks. So my point was that there a more than one song where Andre sings, so I'm not just basing this off Hey Ya (like you), but I actually know other songs where Andre sings and I can assure you he's not serious - hence me bringing them up since you SAY you've "listened" to Outkast's albums (yeah bleepin right). But don't get it twisted - he hadn't sang on but 6 or 7 tracks before The Love Below. That would hardly constitute a serious R&B singer when you have at least 50 songs out there. Bamma. Now, I don't care about The Source and their 5 mic rating system either. I was only pointing out that in their review of Speakerboxxx/Love Below they echo what I say about Andre 3000, and since they have rated all of their albums and probably know him personally, maybe you'd believe them since you cannot comprehend that since I know more about Outkast than you, I'm probably right about Andre 3000. And since all I do is bring up other songs, I'll bring up those same other songs, Automobile and Playa Hater, and by your bamma ass logic, I'll give BIG and Eazy the "benefit of the doubt" and say they really tried to be R&B and country singers seriously and they didn't want them to be hip hop songs "since I haven't heard otherwise" and "don't know them personally." lol... you're a clueless joke!

As usual the thread get hot for a lil minute then it cool off quicker than the Redskins 3-1 start. But if you're gonna clown my Tight Titans at least get it right. The last time we was in Fed Ex, we gave you all a ferocious L in a season of many ferocious Ls. Of course, the last time y'all came in the Coliseum, we caught the L. Except we still made the playoffs. Now Madden be real random with the fumbles, and it pisses me off. They need to fix that nonsense. I was down 28-21 to my boy (he had the freakin Redskins, lol) and I was driving down the field and was SO CLOSE to tying it, but this micky ficky decides to fumble on the 1 yard line! THE ONE YARD LINE!!! Are they serious? That's garbage cause all he had to do was break the plane, and they gon have my man fumble ON THE DAMN ONE YARD LINE!!! Take it back to the store?! Nah, playa. I was bout to get real Office Space on my TV and PS2 and take it out to a field with a bat while ya boys - Geto Boys that is - bump "Still" in the background!

Aiyo, check it, this weekend is gonna be sad for all Wash(ed up)ington fans when them 5-11 C-Boys hand Pat Ham-she a(nother)ferocious L like in the middle of 3W. I never understood why he was The Tuna, but when you win like he does, I guess you can get away with lame nicknames. And if you wanna run on Madden 2004 on the PS2 as the QB but still behind the line, just press L2. I don't know how on any other console. Another thing I hate is when yo offensive tackles just sit there and watch the DE run by and sack you. I could see if he fell or missed, but he just sit there and slide and don't even try to hold or nothin. And it pisses me off cause I don't do nothing cause it looks like he's in position to do SOMETHING but then I get sacked like ole boy wasn't even there! FLIP OUTTA HERE!

Man, I'm gone.

I'm out like bulljive fumbles. Peace!

Since ain't nobody else postin, I guess I'll keep it goin til J-Dolo and H*WOOD find somethin to post about. Shaq and Kobe are feuding again, but this time folks done got personal. I have three theories. 1) they're all just bullshittin to take focus of Kobe's trial, just like when they did all the bullshit arguments during their second championship to get people to underestimate them. 2) Kobe and Phil have a plot to piss Shaq off so he'll play hard through the whole season to prove a point to them; thus they win they championship again because we all know, except for Qool, that Shaq can't be stopped and any team with Shaq playing like his dominant self is guaranteed victory. 3) They're for real. I honestly thinbk it's 1 or 2, but let's say it's 3. I think Shaq is right; it's his team. Still, he ain't got to go around sayin that. If he was a true leader like Jordan, Bird, Bill Russell, Chamberlain or Magic, there would be no need to say anything. He's probably right about Kobe, too, and Kobe took it to harsh. Shaq went off on Kobe over a lil comment, too. Plus, Shaq got way too personal when he told him to opt out. It ain't that serious - the season ain't even started yet! Second, Kobe was absolutely right about Shaq being fat, out of shape, not being a leader, etc. Kobe may not be in the place to say Shaq's unprofessionalism hurt the team last year - I mean, Kobe is the one on trial for rape and cheated on his wife and hurting the team - but he's right. Shaq was fat and lazy all season and waited too long for toe surgery. The only thing is, I think Kobe gave out way too much info when he said Shaq ain't call him over the summer. Unless this is all a show, Kobe shouldn't have put Shaq out there like that. Ain't no need to cry in public cause ya boy or so called boy ain't call you. That's kind of gay.

Qool, since you know journalism, I had a question. I was always told that when something was in quotes, that means the person actually said it. And if something that is quoted is in paranthesis, then that something is referring to something he/she said, but it isn't really what they said. For example: Ted said, "We (the team) need to be crisp (on offense)." So following that example, Ted ACTUALLY said "We need to be crisp" and "the team" and "on offense" was put in by the reporter. Right? So following that example, what do you think it means in a sentence like this: Ted said, "We (need) to be crisp (on) offense as a team. (Coach Smith) told us (we need to) hustle." Now, if we take out the stuff in parenthesis, you get "We to be crisp offense as a team. Told us hustle." But that makes no sense! I see quotes with stuff in parentheses all the time that seem vital to the quote and if left out, the sentence makes NO sense. I usually see it when I'm browsing ESPN or looking in the newspaper. Here's one from ESPN.com:

"Definitely not," Bryant continued. "I know how to play my guard spot. He can worry about the low post, and I'll worry about the [perimeter]."

If perimeter is left off, it looks like Kobe said "I'll worry about the" and we know Kobe wouldn't say nothin that stupid, so why was perimeter in brackets?! I dunno. I was hopin you got some inside knowledge, but if you just as confused as me, then I understand.

I'm out like (the perimeter). Peace!

Aiyo, check it, dun, you're pure tomatoes. You haven't said anything to make me believe you have listened to more than 10 songs by Outkast. Peep this, English major, let's assume you have read the Scarlet Letter and I "say" I have. Yet, I don't know what the letter is, what it stands for, why she has to wear it, plus I don't know crucial characters and all I know is who wrote it and it's set in the 1700 New England era, would you still believe me? Well, if you have read the Scarlet Letter and I couldn't tell you those details, it would probably tip you off that I'm LYING or I HAVEN'T FULLY READ IT, but I'd heard of it or maybe just skimmed it. Your views on Kast make me think that. How you ain't know what songs I was talkin about if you know they albums? How you ain't know what I was talkin about when I said Dre sang before? How you get confused and think I meant he been trying to sing for a while? How you still think he's serious? You must not be really listening and you haven't said anything to make me believe otherwise. FURTHERMORE, you said you mainly listen to the "BS they play on the radio [station]" which FURTHER lets me know you haven't really listened to the albums AS WELL AS the fact that your "hearing" these albums is due to the fact you resided next to someone who played them! What kind of nonsense is that?! I lived next to people who bumped alternative, but that don't make me some type of expert - or even someone with medium knowledge of the genre! My roommate now is really in to gospel rap, but I couldn't tell you jack about any of them! So your Outkast knowledge is minimal at best, which goes against your credibility. And me being a bigger fan than you combined with your professed lack of knowledge about them makes me WAY more credible than you. I'm not just a bigger fan; I'm more knowledgable on the subject in question, MORON! And you seem to give the benefit of the doubt to everybody but Outkast (because you don't like them - that IS the direction of ALL your arguments). It's called "BENEFIT" of the doubt. "BENEFIT!" Andre 3000 is not "BENEFITTING" from the doubt. You gave Biggie the "BENEFIT" and Eazy the "BENEFIT" but you didn't give Andre this "BENEFIT." The main reason I know BIG and Eazy aren't serious is because of HOW they sang - fuck a topic! And I know Andre's not serious because I can tell how he's singing that he's not serious. Plus, The Source backs me up on this - which is my proof as I stated before, MORON. Your proof is assumptive and stupid!

What is it with you and hypotheticals? I CAN absolutely say what I said about Champ Bailey and not make the actual argument! The ONLY reason I said it was because it would be a dumb ass argument based off YOUR logic! I specifically said I wasn't making the argument - are you kidding? Did you really miss that? Me, personally, I believe Champ Bailey wants to win(ALTHOUGH he could be doing all those things just to make himself look good, and couldn't care less about winning, lol). I don't know him personally, but I can see it the same as you. I never said Champ Bailey wanted to lose. All I did was ask you how YOU knew, since you don't know him personally! If I ask how do you know there's a God, that doesn't mean I don't believe He's there. Maybe I just wanna know how He's touched you! The Champ Bailey question was to prove to you that I don't need to know Andre 3000 personally to know his intentions, just like you don't need to know Bailey to know his. Your "proof" is ridiculous! He made a video to the song is irrelevant because he sings on all the songs (save one) on the entire album! I could see if he did 12 raps and sang twice, and the videos were on the 2 singing songs. But any video he does for The Love Below is gonna be a singing song, so that video mess is nonsense.

Billy Ocean was a mini-Luther (in size and fame) and his big hit was "Get out of my dreams, get into my car..." I can't remember the exact name, but that was how the chorus went. If you heard Billy Ocean, I almost guarantee you'd at least recognize him. And your explanation was quite simple. I thank you kindly, sir. Did you finally figure out Madden? Of course you don't wanna see me, so you haven't totally figured it out, but at least you might complete a pass, NICCA!

If Kobe is better than Shaq, why do the Lakers do better when Kobe is out and Shaq is in, rather than vice versa? Kobe can dribble better than Shaq and can shoot better than Shaq and can play the perimeter better than Shaq. But he's not better than Shaq. All Kobe does is dribble and hit jumpers. Last time I checked, dunks and jumpers equal the same - however, dunks are a higher percentage. Shaq shoots a better percentage and scores more. Threes are the only things that are better than dunks. Second, it takes more people to stop Shaq's dunk than Kobe's jumper, therefore opening up more options for other scores if Shaq can't dunk than if Kobe can't shoot. Third, any GM in the league would rather start their team with Shaq than Kobe. Fourth, two words: Penny Hardaway. Fifth, in reality, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you're exaggerating when you say all Shaq does is dunk. But in any case, Shaq's low post game is more beneficial to ANY team than anybody else's post OR perimeter game - thus making him the best in the GAME OF BASKETBALL. You seem to fail to realize that basketball isn't necessarily about dribbling or shooting. You don't get points for crossovers or fadeaways. You get points when the ball goes in the hoop. Shaq does that more than anyone PLUS there's more of a chance someone else can do it because Shaq is on the floor. Defensively I think Shaq and Kobe are equal because Shaq can keep people from getting easy buckets in the paint and make it easier for others to overplay their man. And Kobe can shut down just about any perimeter player, taking them and their team out the game. Still, Shaq is better within the scope of basketball, and anyone with b-ball knowledge knows this.

You can rep them Redskinnies if you want to. They still suck, but go ahead and stick by your team. Of course I know you crying a river that you hope leads to the Titan's Ocean, but in the words of your broken heart it's just emotions takin you over... LMAO!

I'm out like the Redskinnies from contention. Peace!

But I will comment on the Jay-z thing and say some things. First off the bat the album is destine to fail. He calls it a Black album (Which means no promotion, no singles, no video) but yet there is a single & a B-side playing on radio, and he did the video for Change clothes. I thought the whole purpose at the beginning was to finish off his last album, by going back before Reasonable Doubt. I thought it was kinda cool, cause I was under the impression it was going to be like Prince's Black Album. If your familiar with the story of the black album or not. After prince made Sign O Times he made an album which had no cover art at all, just a black page. It was a dark demented album, and if your familiar with prince's vulgar music, this took it 10 steps further. Prince didn't want it to come out, so the album was dropped and people bootlegged it. Instead he released Lovesexy and that was more of a commercial album filled with love songs and stuff. So we fast forward to the point where prince was "The artist formerly known..." the Black Album was released without any video, promotion, or even a single. Now we jump back to Jay-z thing with the whole Black album idea. He was also influenced by his nigga Biggie (Who was influenced by Prince) and his final wishes for his last album. Life After death wasn't supposed to be Biggie's last album obviously. But what Biggie had planned for his swan song was to have two albums come out simultaneously. One album would be more of an album for the commercial audience, ya know with the singles and stuff. Just imagine how Jay-z's Vol. 2 was beefed up with production, and guest appearances. That's what Biggie wanted to do with that album. He also wanted a producer to do only one track each. While the other one was for the streets. It was gonna be sold on the black market (Street corners). That was gonna be just him and the beats, no guest appearance, no promotion, no single, no videos. This was also to be a more darker album filled with more vulgarity.

I thought all along this is what Jay was gonna do, he was gonna pull out some old stuff from before Reasonable Doubt. Make brand new darker & deeper tracks. Have different producers on every track. No promotion, No Single, No Video...Instead we hear "Lets change clothes & go..." I'm like, What the fuck? This isn't a fucking black album, this is another Jay-z album. Which leads me to believe this is all hype just so people will by his shit. Since Blueprint 2 was lackluster, and Best of Both World before that. People were probably going to be hesitant to buy just another Jay-z album. But since this was gonna be Jay's last, the people would be more into getting it.

Lets not forget Jay has fallen back on promises. He fell back on his promise to have 12 different producers, I think the Neptunes do a few tracks on there. He fell back on his promise of No Promotion, No Singles, No Video... It even had those exact words on the ad that was in the record store! LOL Then we go back to when he said he was done with music after this album. But now I read in interviews, he's going to do a song with Madonna after this album. He is even going to do guest appearances on a few of the Roc albums...Bullish!

He might as well call it The Blueprint 3. I'm kinda happy it's already leaked out so people can actually get a chance to see what the CD has to offer before believing all the hype behind it.

But anyways moving on. Billy Ocean also made Caribbean Queen, its a classic 80's hit. I'm surprised you don't know of him Qool. But if you look at those late night infomercials about 80's music, you will hear his name pop up once. He looked like a mix between Curtis Blow & Glenn Lewis, but with a Jerry Curl. LMAO!

Also to answer your question about Bill Parcells being called the Tuna. There is no real explanation for it. But I remember watching the NFL Films Yearbook 1996, and they said the New England Patriots gave him a locker room nickname after the cartoon character Charlie The Tuna. I don't why they selected Charlie the tuna, I guess someone just came up with it out of the blue.

By the way in that verse I typed up, like I told yall it was just to clear up any confusion. I didn't mean it as insulting or trying to say yall don't know shit. On evry rap battle sit I'm on we do that type of stuff cause you deal with a lot of different people on the net, some may know, and some don't. You gotta look out for everyone ya know?

When Prince made the album, yes, it was supposed to be an actual album with a single...BUT since it wasn't officially released at that time it's not considered a single. It's the mystique of the album that set up the blueprint for Notorious B.I.G.'s final work. Like I said it's not a set rule that a Black album has to be this way, or that way. But it's the mystique of its origins that gave birth to all this.

The more I sit here and think about it, the cooler it would have been for a big commercial player like Jay-Z to drop a really huge record and say "I'm just gonna let this record rise or fall on its own merits." But I'd guess that what he initially said about it ran into resistance with his "team" i.e. the people who get the records into the stores, into the hands of radio DJs, etc., and he decided to pick his battles.

I was also intrigued by Jay-z's initial ideas for the Black album. But it seems he's going for more of a victory lap performance, rather than a strong back to the streets performance.

I wish him all the luck in his philanthropist efforts and his move to serious acting. But I feel this is a disappointment to the Jay-z fans who were hoping to see him go back to the roots. I'm actually kinda mad he severed ties with his long time friends Foxy Brown, Jaz-O & Sauce Money. It would have been nice to see him reunite with them individually on a record. Or for that matter get Ja Rule & DMX back in the booth to rehash their days of being Murder Inc. the group. Even his old producer Clark Kent was supposed to be on the album, but is a no show. It's just sad to see what this album could have been.

Now let me answer Hillis' 21 questions. 1) How you ain't know what songs I was talking about if you know they albums? I didn't say I know their albums. I've heard them. Believe it or not, it ain't like you can dispute it. 2) How you ain't know what I was talking about when I said Dre sang before? Because I heard any one cd (from track 1 to the last) 3 times max and it was years ago, and I didn't like it thus, I didn't retain the fact that cuz sang. I don't know about you, but usually if I like something I remember more about it; if I dislike it, a good deal of it is dismissed and filed under I didn't like it. I'm not going to remember what the name of the song was or how many verses cuz spit or how many he sung. 3) How you get confused and think I meant he been trying to sing for a while? Because you said he been singing since 1993 or something like that...something remote to that. 4) How you still think he's serious? Because that bamma was. He was on the radio and cuz ain't say not one time that I shouldn't take him serious. How you know the other dude who made "The Way You Move" was serious? I applied the same logic. They made the tracks and performed them and never instructed me to dismiss them as joking or UN-serious. You also said "You must not be really listening and you haven't said anything to make me believe otherwise." But it SEEMS like you fail to realize that I know that I did listen to plenty of Outkast tracks so you're wasting your time, fighting a no win battle trying to argue that I did otherwise. Do you really NOT see the stupidity here? Do you think you can really one day come up with proof stating that I have never heard an Outkast album? And bamma you can hear a whole CD 100 times and not recognize the titles. And there are plenty of people, PLENTY, that read "The Scarlet Letter" years ago who don't remember the plot or letter today. Contradictory to your belief, people can actually read an entire book and then be unable to explain it to you. Especially if they didn't like the book and VERY especially if they read it 3 or 4 years ago. And yeah I lived next door to someone who played Outkast all the time. Maybe you thought I never went in his room and whipped him in Madden and Live 99. My bad for not explaining this. I take the blame for you not knowing, but I went "next door" countless times and was "forced" to hear whatever that bamma and his roommate wanted to play. Today I don't like cuz. FURTHERMORE, I had roommates myself that liked Outkast. You think them clowns ain't pop in a CD that I disliked from time to time, like somebody called DJ Screw as if he were tight or this dude called yuk mouth? LOL that was okay, because afterwards I would school them with some Pac or Double R. Yes, you are more creditable than I when it comes to Outkast. SO FLIPPIN' WHAT? Are you saying therefore you can tell me that this bamma ain't serious when he clearly is and I suppose to belief that crap? Is that what you're saying? Bamma, cuz does not sing like Easy and BIG. Like we both said, he sang on key. And I can't believe you continue to compare that to "Automobile." For one, Auto was and is a funny and great song. Maybe not great, but it's pretty good. Second, you can listen to half a verse of that joint and tell that Easy and them are on joke time. Hey Ya seems serious to me. When did the Source back you up bamma? Copy and paste it or shut up that nonsense. Them bammas also implied that BIG was the best rapper ever. What was that, you ask? Oh, that was their creditability going out the window, MORON. Furthermore, I asked that you try not to read into what I say, mainly because you have trouble doing this; you say what you THINK I'm saying. Just ask and I'll clear it up if I can. So the Champ Bailey talk was YOUR logic. Yeah it was stupid, but it was yours. No, I didn't miss that you said it wasn't your argument, did you miss when I said don't gimmie that bull? If you don't want it to be your argument, don't rebut me with it, dummy. What is (save one)? Champ Bailey said it was his goal to "help this team get a championship next year." He said that when he won Redskin player of the year so there goes some more of your nonsense out the window. And you saying that any song is gonna have singing in it don't mean a thing. If he wanted a song with just rap, he could have put one or two or three or more on there if he didn't. Plus, by your stupid logic, I shouldn't take most of the CD seriously, if he sings on all or most of them. Explain that double talker.

Cuz, I will tear you a new one in Madden. Even if they do cheat. I was up by one point I think with like 40 seconds left. It's 4th and inches, so I figured I'd just let Ramsey do a QB keeper. Why does some bamma on the line jump off sides, making it 4th and five and consequently making me take an L (like I'd give you)? I had to go to the air because Trung be faking and this bamma caught the pass out of bounds. Madden be having me rolling with his comments. He'll say, that was just stupid to run a route short of the first down. And if it's a replay he'll say, okay, he fakes on way, then goes another, he showed his speed and that wasn't even fair what he did to that guy LOL. I know that pushing R2 will make the throw option come down, but he still won't run until you pass the line, it's like he's still looking for someone to throw it to when I already decided that I need to run it.

Shaq is the most dominant; Kobe is a better b-ball player. I don't know the answers to all of your questions, but anybody who is honest, knows that Shaq does a lot of cheating. Okay, cheating ain't the right word, but all anybody would have to do to stop his dunks, is stand in the lane and take the charge. Why don't they do this? Because the refs just let bammas get dunked on, they don't call it. He takes 3 steps with the ball on the regular (be honest) and the refs don't call it. No he doesn't just dunk, it was exaggeration, but you and I know if the refs called it like you are taught, cuz would have a much harder time being the most dominant. Kobe can dunk too, I think he was in the dunk contest. But can Shaq go (outside) and score? BLANK no. Like I said before, one on one, Kobe would win because he has an outside and an inside game. If they played take backs, Kobe could post him up and take the charge if Shaq tried to back it in on him, thus forcing him to take and miss the outside shot. Kobe would get the ball and since he can score from both in and out, it would be curtains (like me vs you...with me the victor). I know this doesn't mean anything because b-ball is a team sport, but one on one just shows who is better. Yes, Shaq shines when you put 4 half decent dudes on the court with him. He doesn't have to create his own shot, or move with the ball. On the defensive end, if you step outside he'll let somebody else pick you up because it's lights out (for him) if he tries to d you up outta the paint. I'm not knocking him because if something works, do it, but one on one I think plenty of NBA peeps (who shoot like 200 shots a day) would dog him (yes, like I'd do you).

And thanx for saying I can still rep the Skins. I think I'ma guarantee a win this Sunday. Naw, I learned my lesson, but I still think we can get it together; but yes, I've stepped away from my 10-6 prediction. H-Wood, does "Black album." Really mean no promotion, no single and all of that. I don't think Jay meant it in this way, but you probably know it better than me and if you heard him say that, I guess cuz lied. But I say that because I see him every now and then talking about it and just today I heard it was going to be moved up from the original release date. Plus, being that it's suppose to or was supposed to drop on the same day as his shoes and on the day after Thanksgiving, that seems like a big marketing plan to me. Let me know. Also H-Wood, I heard but I don't know if it's true, that Jay said he will not make another solo album, but he will make other tracks, I guess for soundtracks or for guest appearances. I gotta roll. Oh yeah, thanx for the Tuna explation. Do y'all watch Playmakers? That's my show.

Before I murk you, I must admit them Madden comments had me LOL for real! I be ready to throw somethin when them micky fickys be WIDE OPEN and they make my QB throw the ball 20 yds out of bounds and then my receiver gon have the nerve to catch the ball while he next to all the assistant coaches! Madden be havin me rollin, too. He be like "He was tryin to run through the hole, and there was no hole!" or "He was waitin for the play to develop, and BOOM! He got developed!" LMAO! But my boy and I had to pause the game for a minute cause he gained like a yard or two on one play and Madden said, "Well, some yards is better than none yards…" That's the all time classic right there. Playmakers is tight, too. You and that receiver probably got the same dilemma, lol... Nah, just playin. You like that cocaine sandwich eatin DH! But for real, it's tight, even though it's a tad melodramatic. Don't nothin go right for any of em... except they keep winning. But as far as they off field life, you got that gay receiver puttin on a front, that Willbanks character is a (these) bastard(s), coach got cancer, DH on heroin and his boy killed a man and then shot his bro, Leon is Emmit Smith and be hittin on his wife like Billy Dee Williams (Billy Dee Williams? Hittin on women? Say it ain't so!), that linebacker is depressed, the QB knockin off women left and right, but knockin em up, too, and that bald Warren Sapp wanna be O-lineman always whining about no respect... All that money, all that drama. I guess we don't know the pressures that go with 20 million a year (copyright Jerry Maguire)...

Now, I can murk you. Or, really, I guess I should thank you for your last post because you absolutely confirmed what I had been saying all along. When it comes to Outkast, you have no idea what you're talking about AND you finally admitted it. So you heard them 3 or 4 years ago and you have forgotten pertinent facts. How convenient... for me! If someone that read the Scarlet Letter - 2 years ago, 2 days ago, 222 seconds ago - "forgot" any relevant info, it seems they should keep their mouth shut in a debate about the Scarlet Letter. As I said, you either haven't listened to the albums or think hearing them in somebody's room a couple times constitutes having some knowledge about them. Consequently, it was the latter. Ok, you forgot. So in essence, as of now, you don't know much about Kast. Yeah, you heard some albums in a room, but that hardly means you know anything. And you admit this since you have now conveniently (for me) forgotten. Which means you don't know. So again, I obviously haven't forgotten and I do know a lot about Outkast as a staff, record label, and as a muthaflippin crew. WAY more than YOU. Which again shows that if we're going to discuss Andre 3000, what I KNOW holds more wight than what you THINK. Just because you heard some songs 3 or 4 years ago (while you were playing possibly the WORST Madden player ever) is irrelevant to today ESPECIALLY since you have forgotten them. Now, maybe head and gangsta moves are the only hip hop topics to you. Maybe that's YOUR narrow minded vision of hip hop. Maybe. But most hip hop fans don't buy into that garbage. While the topics were humorous, I could tell by the way Eazy and Biggie were singing that they weren't serious, just like with Andre. I've heard and can remember how Andre sings on other songs that I know he is not taking his singing seriously. You know, those songs I mentioned that you forgot about and can't remember the vital details? You see, I don’t know how limited your knowledge of musical notes and basic terms are, but Eazy and BIG do actually sing on key. They're just horrible. Andre 3000, in my opinion, is not as bad, but like both BIG and Eazy, he was having fun. He sings because he enjoys it, and while he ain't tryin to impress with his voice - like (insert R&B singer here) – he IS trying to impress with the actual MUSIC behind the voice. This, even though he isn't trying to SING seriously, is why we can take the SONGS seriously. Now you may try and put your spins on that, but you'll never find where I said that he shouldn't be taken seriously as an artist. I just said his singing wasn’t serious. And I know you like to think that if a sentence has two or three of the same words in them, they can be considered "remotely close," so make sure you watch out for your own stupidity when you reply!

True, I might not remember every track of every album I've ever heard, but I am a huge 2Pac fan. I remember the name of every song and track number that I like. Easily. And I probably remember at least 75% of the few songs I might not like. Still, the fact that I am a fan of Pac is why I know those songs in and out like that. Same with UGK, Three 6, and yes, Outkast. But since you're not a fan, you don't remember any of that. None of the names. And you don't remember any of the songs he's sung on before. You don't know that they've been RAPPING since 1993 (I didn't say they had been singing since 1993, I said rapping – contrary to Qoolout belief, THOSE STATEMENTS AREN’T REMOTELY CLOSE) and that 1998 was their first singing song. You don't know any basics about Outkast, but all of a sudden you become this Andre 3000 expert because you've seen a video and heard an album 3 or 4 years ago that you can't remember. Yeah. Right. (Mutha)FLIP(pin Mike) OUTTA HERE!!! The term "save one" is basically saying "except one." Moving on, let’s say for the sake of argument, SOMEONE (not you) says that "Since I have never met Brad Pitt, he must not exist." So then, I say, "Well, following along with your logic, I have never met your mother, then she must not exist." Now I personally am not making that argument. By expressing a HYPOTHETICAL conclusion based off the same logic, I am just showing the flaw in his logic. You have done the same thing before, so why all of a sudden must I have to personally believe in a statement to use it? Do you really not grasp basic HYPOTHETICAL statements? Is the so called English major unfamiliar with the use of rhetoric? You're not making any sense anymore; probably because your debate skills are a joke!

Your views on Shaq ain’t clear! Well, they are. But they aren’t. I mean I know you SAY Shaq cheats/walks/charges the majority of the time, but please don’t tell me you actually believe that is a valid argument. Again, I ask how Shaq can get away with walking and charging for 10 years in the league?! All the refs have to do is bla, blah, blah... How bout you take that JOKE of an argument back to DC and come up with one someone should actually pay attention to. I’m ready to debate, but I just want to make sure that's really your argument.

I know nothing of the Black album controversy or what a Black album implies, so I won't comment. Now, What More Can I Say is good, but it ain't muphukkin flames like I hoped. But I’m sure Black Album should be good. Hopefully better than Blueprint 2 (NICCA)! But just a general topic, what are the 20 sickest beats you ever heard? I know that’s tough, but if I say hip hop beats would that make it easier? LOL! Probably not, true, but try and narrow it down. I was gonna say 10, but I felt that was too hard to narrow down, since we talking about at least 15 years of beats for most of us!

H*WOOD, when Tennessee comes to FLA, all we do is win (i.e. Vols vs. Gators, Canes and Titans vs. Dolphins, Jaguars)! Where’s FLA STATE and TAMPA at?! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! The only thing that ruined this weekend was that Seattle choked against the Redskinnies.

I'm out like the Cowboys handing Champ Bailey a ferocious L. Peace!

(I like both discs on the new Outkast but agree with people who say the Big Boi disc is deeper)

But someone said something great to me the other day about Outkast... "It's a shame the best artists in hip hop aren't interested in making hip hop anymore." I hear that so loud.

Cuz, I wanted to slam a hammer into my PS2. I just took an L to ATL. They made Vick WAYYYY too good. I mean in real life he is a great player, but this bamma is like Superman on that game. You had me cracking up talking about how they catch passes next to the coaches. I don't know if you and your peeps play with challenges on, but if you really want to see some cheating, play that way. I had Trung running that joint and he got hit. He fell down, hit the turf and THEN the ball popped out. I challenged that joint and they showed it clear as day, but didn't reverse it. And then Madden rubs it in with his wisecracks. If they do reverse it he'll say "See the challenge rule was made to right a wrong. That call was wrong and they just made it right," LOL. That clown. Then one time I looked at the replay to see if I wanted to challenge it and afterwards when I tried to challenge the call, they said "you can't challenge after viewing the replay." LOL, that's the same way the real coaches do it.

This joint had me cracking up: If someone that read the Scarlet Letter - 2 years ago, 2 days ago, 222 seconds ago - "forgot" any relevant info, it seems they should keep their mouth shut in a debate about the Scarlet Letter. I don't know why you continue to pursue an argument. You know more about Outkast than I do. I admit it. I thought this was common knowledge, but now I've typed it for you. If you hear and listen to a song any time in your life, then you have heard and listened to said song. You can think otherwise and I'll think this way. You can think that song was hip-hop and I'll think it ain't. Why do you still want to bicker about it. Young, I don't like them clowns. Sure everybody else does, but I'm not feeling them; you ain't ever gonna get me to so just shut it up. When I spoke about the head and gangsta moves I said that there is more to hip-hop. Don't try to sneak that bull in there about maybe that's all I think there is to hip-hop. You are really reaching. I was just telling you that as soon as you hear the song talking about brains and bangin' you PROBABLY can guess that it's hip-hop. Man, if you keep on, I'ma have to put you on a post ban, LOL. Then it's just gonna be you on here missing me like P and Silk was missing their homies. And Easy was not on key. Outkast was. And if I played the three songs to someone who doesn't listen to hip-hop which one do you think they will say sounds like a REAL R&B song? And which two do you think they will say has an artist joking while singing? Bamma, don't answer on here; just think about it and be honest. What? A wannabe lawyer being honest? Or even Hillis being honest? Yeah, I know it ain't gonna happen. You are unable to realize that a non-Outkast fan will think that cuz is singing an R&B song. If you hear Easy and probably BIG for the first time, you can tell they are joking, by pitch and by the lyrics. I (ME)(QOOL), do not get that effect when I hear Hey Ya. Yes, I forgot what the songs were about but I didn't forget that I did not enjoy them. And plenty of their songs happen to be about NOTHING (you even remotely admitted this) so me forgetting ain't really saying nothing. Back of the Bus, please. So now you are saying cuz, sings because he enjoys it, but I shouldn't take him serious because he is not trying to impress me and you know this because you have been a fan for a long time? LOL, okay. That SEEMS to be the gist of what you are saying. Now I get it. Okay, you were right, you win. Seriously, you win, disregard all I've said, no need to continue. Oh yeah, maybe you don't know what remotely means. MAYBE. The way you are trying to explain how sentences aren't related makes it SEEM like you don't know what the blank you are talking about. Bamma if the 1st 12 words are the same the sentences are similar (IN THIS CASE). Does anybody other than Hillis disagree with that?

Moving on, let me point out once again, how you just sound stupid. If you tell me cuz has been singing for a long time, and then tell me that cuz 1st cd came out in 93, what am I supposed to think? I don't know how long he has been singing, but guess what. I DON'T CARE. I don't care if he came out the womb singing "It's Raining Men" while Billy Ocean was writing "Automobile." It SEEMS like you are trying to catch me saying something wrong when it comes to Outkast trivia. I don't like them, no, I don't know as much as you do about them, and if I got a year wrong or said an incorrect tittle, my bad. But I know I heard Hey Ya and that crap should be able to stand alone. Saying that my knowledge about them is little, has nothing to do with it. I heard that song and you can't take that away, JACK. And I didn't know the names of the songs, because I never picked up the CD, or the booklet and tried to find out the names. It wasn't that I forgot the names, I never knew, and to my surprise, I didn't lose any sleep over not knowing. If you hear a Pac CD and you don't look at the disc or the case, you won't be sure of the names either. Your Brad Pitt bull was nonsense. See, you said the Champ bull as a rebuttal to my argument, THAT'S why that crap wasn't viewed as HYPOTHETICAL.

If you think Shaq doesn't walk (take 3 steps with the ball) (A WHOLE LOT) and charge (A WHOLE LOT) then never mind. Maybe you don't watch him as much as I assumed. Either way, never mind.

Lastly, "What More Can I Say" is Flippin' Flames. I kinda feel like that's Em style a lil, but I'm not sure yet. I gotta hear it some more. But my guess is that that's gonna be the best track on the album. Just a guess. Dag, The Eagles won. McNabb is the truth, but I wanted them fools to lose. Hillis, you know that was a great, yes GREAT, play that the Skins did. QB throws to the WR, WR throws to the HB, HB gets the TD, RS gets the W. An announcer said Steve drew up that play years ago in Florida and he finally got it to work, lol.

First and foremost, I must say that Qoolout, if you truly believe that I think Champ Bailey doesn't want to win a Super Bowl, you're a complete dumb ass. I made it very clear that I don't really believe that Champ doesn't want to win a Super Bowl. I explicitly said that. I clearly said it was a hypothetical argument based off your logic AND that I don't truly believe it, but I mentioned it in the hopes that you would see the flaw in your logic. But for some unknown reason, you believe that I think Champ Bailey doesn't want the Redskins to win a Super Bowl. And for that, you are a complete dumb ass.

Now that we have established that you are the dumb ass, we can move on... move on to your LIES! Lies! Lies! All lies! Like you saying that I said they been singing since 1993! I never said that! I said rapping! RAPPING! Rapping since 1993! I said they sang first in 1998! And I said that was on ONE song on the whole album! I also never said they had been singing for a "long time" either. I said they had sung before The Love Below! Where are you getting your material? Not from anything I posted because everything you claim I said is far from what I say. You can CLAIM that they are remotely close, but you are not at all remotely close. You're just flat out lying about things I said! For someone who complains about me supposedly twisting your words and meanings, you sure don't have a problem doing it to me, and then claiming that you were remotely close to what I said. NEGRO PLEASE! And another complete lie is that I "remotely" admitted that "a lot of" their songs are about nothing. LMAO! I never said that! I never said anything REMOTELY CLOSE to that! You asked me the point of So Fresh So Clean and I told you. You asked me the point of Rosa Parks (Back of the Bus) and I said I ain't know. That's ONE song! ONE song out of at least 100! So since I couldn't tell you the exact point of ONE song, therefore, "a lot" of their songs are about nothing?! LOL! You're a joke! ONE flippin song?! ONE?! LMAO! Look, MORON, you need to take these lies and try em on some bammas you know in DC! If you're honest with yourself, you'd scroll up and see that I, as well as the majority of posters, have stated that Outkast is one of the few hip hop groups who actually rap about something. So where you got they rap about nothing is baffling, because you sure as hell ain't get it from me!

And while admitting that I know more than you about Outkast is, well, I don't know what it is, but you (as usual) missed the point. The point is actually that you don't know jack about Kast! Knowing more than you isn't really saying much because the fact that you think Andre 3000 was seriously singing shows you know nothing about Andre 3000. All those songs I mentioned - everything - should actually clue you in to the fact that you're clueless! If I wanted you to trip up over Outkast trivia, it wouldn't be hard since you admittedly know very little! Forgotten songs, forgotten meanings, forgotten this, forgotten that, whatever, blah, blah, blah... You may not know the names, but if you had a clue of Kast, you'd at least admit you know that Andre has sung before Hey Ya. And you would at least remember that there where songs where Andre 3000 doesn't sing seriously - that is, if you had a credible amount of knowledge like you claim (i.e. continue to lie about). You don't know jack about Kast; why do you think you know somethin from one song? You admittedly know little; why when someone who knows WAY more than you tells you what's REALLY up, you try and come up with all types of reasons you're right? YOU ARE WRONG! If someone who didn't know Kast heard Hey Ya, they may think it was R&B or not think it was hip hop, but I hardly think they would believe he was serious. But ask yourself if they were familiarized with other songs where Andre 3000 sings (like Slum Beautiful, I'll Call Before I Come, Roses, Prototype), would they believe he was seriously trying to sing? Well, I guess it's unfair to ask you that since YOU DON'T KNOW THOSE SONGS! lol... bamma!

Mickyfickin Redskins won! La di freakin da! Yeah, that play was mad tight. I'm thinkin about drawin it up for our flag football team! And by the way we have caught 2 Ls after winning our first game in a blow out. Last minute, close Ls, mind you, but alas, Ls nonetheless. The first game we was up by 20 and they score a couple of meaningless touchdowns after the game was no longer in doubt. The second game we was trippin. They had one good play and that was a long bomb on the first play which got em on the 5 yd line and they scored eventually. Then we shut em down and they got a field goal because we turned it over in our own territory. But we threw 3 interceptions and was down only 10-6, but they got some first downs and ran out the clock. Then our 3rd game was some BS. Half my team was nowhere to be found. I had to pick up some bammas that happened to be there and we got beat by the worst team ever. 2nd worse, cause that assembly I had dropped every pass I threw. And they wouldn't just drop em. The bammas would have it bounce off they chest and into somebody else chest for an INT, messin up my stats. We was gettin served 17-0, but we scored two quick TDs and it was 17-14, but they got some first down and ran the clock out, too. We bought to get back on this winning track and make a playoff push on Wednesday and Thursday, (big) baby.

Post ban! You can't put me on a post ban, dummy, because I was the first to tell folks to go get Best a map! And instead of talking about stuff you claim Shaq does a lot, but is mysteriously rarely called for, why don't you discuss what actually happens on the court? If you're gonna be fair and honest, you should say Kobe walks and travels a lot, too. Don't say Shaq charges and walks, but decide to overlook all the 2 guards who travel when they drive just to prove a point!

Aiyo, check it, Andre 3000 and Big Boi need to quit that nonsense about not doin hip hop know more. I copped that XXL and heard Dre might be puttin the mic down for real! I was not happy about that, but he gotta do Dre, so I guess I'll just have to look elsewhere for that funk soul type entertainment. Now I don't think either album is deeper, because Big Boi gets a little deeper than Andre and Andre is more "out there" than "deep" but I would actually say Big Boi's disc is more listenable, simply because I ain't always in the mood for Andre's singing. Well, unless it's Prototype or Valentine's Day...

lol @ Trife? What happened to that man? And damn near everybody else that was postin?

I'm out like Daddy Fat Sax might be. Peace!

What's good niggaz...looks like everything is back to normal...you dudes are still disputing ya asses off...also looks like I STILL remain on someone's mind...**shaking my head**....homo....Well since this is a hiphop based thread I thought I'd speak on a couple of hip hop issues. Number 1) Jay Z has finally stopped depending heavily on production and actually starting concentrating on lyrics, and therefore after thoroughly listening to THE BLACK ALBUM...I can honestly say it's his second best work and easily of classic status. Number 2) Why in the hell is Andre "Ice Cold" 3000 trying to be a R&B artist after all these years? What motivated this? He was the south's ONLY lyricist, and now he's trying to hit high notes...what next....he's going to bleach his skin..."The Artist Formely Known" ass nigga. Number 3) Why now is Ja Rule trying so desperately to "clap back"...I mean the whole WORLD has pulled your wanksta card...I think it's a little too late for that...don't you guys think? Number 4) Why does Mr. "ENEMIEEEES and HENNESEEEEYYY" have a movie coming out...damn let his carcus rest in piss..oops I mean peace...he already has like 1134654641313 movies and documentaries...why do we need another? And by the way...Frank White murdered him on his own shit. Number 5) The top 3 albums of 2003 are Jay Z's THE BLACK ALBUM, Kanye West's The Bootleg version of COLLEGE DROPOUT, Sheek's WALK WIT ME(yeah this is a gimmie, but I'm feelin this joint)....and last but definitely not least Number 6) Yall know I can't leave out the GOAT...Nas's LOST TAPES 2 is due late December...and just like the first one...I sense classic all the way.

That should do it for me....I'm gone

"Time is MONEY when it comes to mine"-Nas

I forgot to discuss my new favorite topic on here... Madden. Vick's skills be killin me. That nigga got a 95 on speed and his throws be super accurate, whether he's under pressure or on the run. My boy used to serve me when we first got the game cause he would roll around for insane amounts of time or just scramble for 60 yds. I finally figured out that I got to keep my corners up and see if he can throw over them. But still, if I bring an all out blitz he just runs around it! Bull ish! I was also pissed that I couldn't look at a replay before challenging it, either. But I found out on accident. After the play, I got pissed and dropped the controller and the replay shit came on. So then I decide to challenge it and it wouldn't let me. If Madden had walked through the door right then, he'd have got his ass fucked up, for real!

Omar Gooding is a real good actor. But I got yo back on his lighter days. Don't forget Hangin with Mr. Cooper and Smart Guy and all the family roles he played. But DH got me forgettin about all that soft stuff. But his role in Baby Boy? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! Everybody I know said he was just a lil too hard in that movie. Now, I heard 2Pac was who they envisioned in Tyrese's role. I'm sorry, but Baby Boy was horrible and it had nothin to do with who played the lead character. When Omar clicked on that bitch for no reason when he was tryin to sell that dress? And why couldn't ole girl get Snoop out her crib? And why was Tyrese in that womb? And how them bitches gon let Omar talk crazy to em in they house? And why them lil niggas just take Tyrese's bike after Tyrese got bold with em? I was rollin durin the whole movie. Ving Rhames was HILARIOUS! Cookin naked, fuckin Tyrese's mom, and my favorite was when he choked Tyrese. LMAO! But anyway, did you see the Playmakers season finale? That QB be havin me rollin. He's the biggest asshole, but he be so funny about it. And did you see where that lil team manager went off on him? That shit was pure comedy. But the finale was hilarious cause that QB was like "Hold up, hold up, the Phoenix game ain't over yet................ but it's pretty damn close!" and he went skippin around with that wine bottle! HA HA HA HA HA!!! But then that fake Vick scored the game winner while they was watchin the TV and I KNEW that shit was comin. I KNEW they wasn't bout to make the playoffs! I saw it a mile away. I told you! They was too happy so I knew somethin bad had to be comin and the show was bout to go off and that was the only bad thing left that could happen... lol!

Dun comes back to blah blah blah about Nas and can't even recognize when he's bein made fun of, lol MORON!

I'm out like dun. Peace!

How the hell is she yo friend when you don't know if she got kids?! That's right, young Hillis is here. Or old Hillis, depending on YOUR age - ANYWAY... I just picked up The Black Album. H*WOOD sparked my interest when he was givin his input and knowledge about the origin of any propsed "Black" album and J0hn gave his views on it. Plus when H*WOOD mentioned no promotions, no singles, no videos, me being the 2Pac fan immediately thought of how cold Makaveli was. Qoolout gave me the singles Change Clothes and What More Can I Say, and both of them were aiight. But I was still hesitant because of all the nonsense that went on with Jay BEFORE this album - specifically the whole Jay-Z/Nas throwdown.

When Jay and Nas went at each other, the beef was helped by the fact that they put out two classic albums to coincide with their battle. So then BP2 came out, and it was a double disc, so it was pretty much doomed, but still, you had to at least listen to it. And I did. It was a terrible album. It had some cuts, but not enough to sustain a double disc. And even the few good tracks would have made a subpar CD, anyway. Now God's Son was wack, but what else is to be expected with Nas? I mean, "I Can" might have been the worst track to video song of 2003. But Jay, even though Nas seems to get to him, as evidenced by the BP2 diss track, should still be able to put out a better album, since Nas is notorious for wack albums. So I was about to write Jay off, but lo and behold - even BEST said it was tight! Nchekwube! The man said Jay hasn't put out a good album since RD and that anyone who said Jay's career wasn't over was a (lol) "cockblower." So if BEST of all people is calling Black Album nice after the way he has dissed Jay, I had to give it a shot.

And I must admit, it's tight. H*WOOD, even though the Neptunes do more than track, it's only two, and "Allure" makes up for "Change Clothes." Plus, even Juts Blaze and Kanye are only on once. On a side note, it's funny how you can tell each producer's song before you even know. Like Kanye, Blaze, Tim, and the Neptunes. Anyway, Tim's song is straight, but first off, I'm feeling "Allure," "Threat" (Ced the Entertainer is on it as a fake pimp and he be havin me rollin), "Lucifer," "Moment of Clarity" (the Em produced song) and "99 Problems." The album as a whole is solid, but time will tell if it's another BP1, RD, or Volume 2. Lyrically, it reminds more of BP1 than RD, but that's not neccessarily a bad thing, being how BP1 and RD (in my opinion) are even.

Moving on, I been givin Ready to Die a re-listen and I forgot that I sort of dig the actual song "Ready to Die." I can listen to it. I also re-listened to Gimme the Loot and while I find it somewhat amusing, I just can't dig the beat or BIG's rap style.

I asked about the 20 sickest beats, and I can't even get my OWN list together!

I'm out like Jay-Z... supposedly. Peace!

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that Black Album is fire. That and Luda is all I listen to. "Allure" is my favorite cut on the disc, but Lucifer is flames and What More Can I Say" has grown on me. "My 1st Song" is flames and I can't help it, but I love Change Clothes. Yeah, this album might be 5 mics - at least 4 1/2. I also need to backtrack on a couple earlier statments. I said Kanye and J Blaze was only on there once, but I don't know where I got that from. Kanye does 2 and JB at least three.

I was playin my boy in Madden and he beat me on some nonsense. With Vick, of course! I just wanna know why when other QBs get a little pressure they throw the ball all over the place, but Vick? Oh naw! Vick had 3 dudes in his face AND he was backpeddlin and on 4th and 10 delivers a PERFECT strike to Finneran for about 25 yards!!! I bought lost it. Then, the ultimate BS happened. He threw this pass and you know how when they leap up and you be like, "Oh, it's an INT!" Well, my safety did the leap... AND THE MICKY FICKY MISSED!!! I had to leave the room before I strangled somebody! Peerless Price caught the pass and scored. Even my boy knew it was some nonsense.

Foolout, you're a Mr. Wendle bamma. Why is it that when I put "seems" as my disclaimer, it's not allowed; however, you can ramble out a bunch of lies, and then feel like it's ok to submit these lies as long as you acknowledge that you may be wrong? That's the same thing I did with "seems" but oh, no, Hillis can't do X, but Qool can do X. Somehow, I have to go and find where he said he wasn't serious, but you DON'T have to go find where he says he WAS! NEGRO PLEASE! That's why you're a joke; you don't even follow your own dumb ass rules!

Another thing, you keep admitting you don't know jack about Kast and we've gone over this a million times, true; so why are you arguing about Kast? You admittedly know nothing - but miraculously know this one subject inside out! Dude, before you argue about a topic, you have to have some type of knowledge on said topic. I'm sitting here telling you songs where Andre sings and is CLEARLY not serious - but you don't even know what I'm talking about! And since you don't know them, you somehow feel it's ok to disregard these songs. So, we're supposed to dismiss all my knowledge about Kast and forget that you ADMITTEDLY know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! NOTHING, Qool? NOTHING? You admittedly know NOTHING, but you're all of a sudden an expert on Hey Ya? Seriously, YOU are 100% pure uncut raw nonsense. You might be the only person I (don't) know who would say they know minimal about a topic, but try and debate it like they wrote the proverbial book on it!

Flippin the script, YOU tell me what Outkast songs have no point. In fact name one other than Rosa Parks (i.e. Back of the Bus). And FYI, "Back of the Bus" has a point. Both their verses focus on the fact that they gotta stay new and innovative and not become bogged down in stereotypical, carbon copy hip hop. Where they got the chorus from, I don't know, but the song itself clearly has focus. You may have missed that in all your bashing, because you clearly only know the chorus, as evidenced by you keep referring to the song as "Back of the Bus."

Dawg, I can listen to Shaq gettin away with charges, but travellin? Hardly. If you actually watch, guards are VERY blatant with travelling (and carrying, by the way) - Kobe included. But it happens so fast for the refs that it's tough to call.

Quit all this double talkin, dummy!

I'm out like Playmakers. Peace!

It's like a retarded kid getting fooled by his parents, by getting the same gift every year for his B-Day. The kid is unaware that his parents are giving the same gift every year. He just sees its rapped in a different gift box, and figures its new. That's how I feel about Jay-z's career since probably 1999-To the present.

I'm probably being harsh on the album. But as a swan song for Jay-z to end on, I figure he would have given birth to a real classic, or at least an effort that showed he was trying to go out like a champ.

I didn't like Allure, and in my opinion it did not make up for Change Clothes (Or as Qool called it Excuse Me Miss Pt. 1 & 2, lol). The extra harmonizing during the bridge by the background singers wasn't needed (Chad Hugo needs to rework writing his hooks also). I did like the piano ballad playing then with the base coming in to help support the hook. But it was just him retracing his vows to not fuck around with hustle game, but the allure of it keeps urging him back (Which we have heard a million times). Briefly he jumps into his story about the time he strapped his girl with work which he told on You Must Love Me. I liked that part cause he put a summary for those people who didn't hear the story previously. But overall Biggie gave birth to one of the most overused tactics in rap. Everyone is a crack dealer, and everyone seems to have an urge to still sell crack. I'm not knocking their hustle (No Pun), but we have heard this side of the game before. It just gets old after a while. It was fine when Biggie did it, yeah it was okay when Jay-z did it on RD. But what is this...2003, like I said we've heard the story before. The songs I was feeling was Justify My Thug, I'm happy Jay opened some eyes to DJ Quick's production. He's an Emcee's Producer, by that I mean, when you hear his beats. The beats allow for the lyrics to be heard, and not overlapped like most producers do. The way he was dropping old cliche's, and flipping them up to a Thugs way of saying it. That had me put that track on repeat a few times. Yall noticed how he addressed the rumors on him getting slapped by Julez Santana a few months ago?

"I ain't never been smacked and a nigga better keep his hand to himself, or get clapped for what's under that Man's belt."

Kinda sounds like he was denying the claim in the verse, but the verdict is still out on wither he was slapped or not... **The Rocafella office grows quiet!**

Moment Of Clarity is the realest shit he has made in a while (Outside of the sellout part). I like the word play he did with Common (Sense), plus paying a minor shout out to the Underground...well sort of. I hadn't seen Rick Rubin do a Hip-Hop record for a while, and I noticed some rock influence in that 99 Problems too. That beat kinda took it back to the good ol' days of the late 80's with the neck snapping baseline.

Is it just me or does Jay-z's mom sound like a dude? WTF was they doing letting her in the booth and talk on the hook? It threw the song off. Why couldn't they just have her speak in the into of the song, or say something at the end?

I like What More Can I Say, the Buchannons are pretty good on that track.

I give this a 7.5 out of 10. It's above average, but not an overachieving effort. If I was to compare albums overall. This is behind RD by miles. Blueprint had a vibe through the whole album, which BP2 lacked...It was all over the place. But the Black Album is more like the real sequel to the Blueprint. It keeps a good dark vibe about 80% of the record. it's a good effort, but you would want to expect more.

How yall feel about him owning the New Jersey nets? Will they let a Rapper own an NBA team?? If it happens, expect David Stern to have a mandatory drug test on a week by week basis for the Nets, lol! They haven't seen so much weed & hoes since Wilt Chamberlain was in the league! Damn!!!

Okay, now I have Jay-Z, but I ain't get a chance to listen to it, so stay tuned.  Or is it tooned?  Moving on, I don't wanna be the boy who cried wolf, or in my case the Man (Hill, your case would be the toddler) since I spoke on Shaq's cheating and the Titans cheating to go to the S-Bowl that time.  Some people said I was wrong, whatever about that, but the Skins really really did get cheated.  They stopped Steven Davis from getting in the end-zone and made him cough up the ball.  However, the stupid refs review it and say that it ain't enough evidence to support what I just said.  I don't know how many of you all watch the Skins, but if you watch Inside the NFL or your local Sunday highlights, you'll see that my boys got cheated.  Moving back, what did I say I might be wrong about Hillis?  Outkast's history, past and present?  Yeah so what?  THE DIFFERENCE IS that you were wrong about what was in my head.  It ain't up for debate because "I know better than you." THE DIFFERENCE IS I told you how I really felt and you refused to accept that or admit you were incorrect. If Outkast says, "I'm joking on Hey Ya, I'll be the 1st person to post and be a man and say I was wrong. THE DIFFERENCE IS Outkast is up for debate, because you may know more, but you don't know all, and you nor I really know if cuz is serious.  Yeah I know Hey Ya on the expert level. LOL, joking about expert, but I don't have to know what cuz did in 93 to judge THIS ONE SONG.  You can cry about knowing everything about them all you want, from here to across the street, we ain't on that.  We are on HEY YA. In school, my teachers would have us read an entire book and then we'd just focus on one part of it. She may say, don't worry if you haven't finished the whole book, make sure you've read this part; we're just going to focus on pages 81- 88. Brother man, I don't know who told you this false information, but you don't need to know a subject from cover to cover just to talk about ONE ASPECT of it. Maybe in some cases, but not in this case.

H-Wood, I like the analogy about Jay-Z and a retarded child. I'm mad I didn't think of something like that first, lol. However, I think that since I got hip to Jay-Z after he was like 3 or 4 albums in, I never felt that way. I do believe that some of his songs sound alike and there are probably more that I haven't heard that are even more similar. Maybe that's why he is getting outta the game. Maybe he realized the same thing you said and was like "It's time I hang it up." As for him owning the Nets, this is the 1st I've heard about it. I doubt it will happen, because if it was that easy to get, I think other celebrities would have already beat him to it. I did hear that Puff wanted to buy the Knicks. And what you said about it being 2003, I think you can say that for most peeps. Like you said, we heard about people slangin and bangin since back in the day. It's 2003 and rappers are still talking about "what was already talked about." That's why I can't get into most of the people that are out at the present time. Ludacris, what is he telling me that I ain't already hear in the 90's? Ying Yang Twins, what are they bringing to the game that wasn't already here? If you are gonna repeat it, at least do THAT different. And I think Jay does do that, meaning he'll say it again without making it sound the same. I'm dying for some new rap that's gonna make me nod my head again. Lastly, what's up with Em and the Source exposing him like that? I heard somebody on the radio say, we should be mad when any rapper says what Em said. Oh, and to respond to Best. I think Ja had to at least try to "Clap Back" because when he was silent, that didn't work; he got clowned. So he had to try another avenue. Why do people hate cuz all of a sudden?

As for my next three beats, I like Pac's joint on "I Ain't Mad At Ya" Jay-Z's "There's been a Murder," and even thought y'all gonna laugh, Destiny's Child "Survivor." Tell me that beat ain't flames!

http://www.allhiphop.com/hiphopnews/?ID=2579

I think the reason you don't see celebs buying teams left & right is cause they are usually not interested in doing the extra work like that. It just doesn't seem like celebs want any part of owning teams. I read up on most of these owners and guys like the Maloof brothers (Sacramento Kings), they are just Casino owners. Some of these other guys inherited the team from their fathers like Mike Brown from his father Paul (Bengals). Georgia Frontier got St. Louis Rams because her husband who owned them died. Then you got teams that are owned by companies like New Jersey, and a few others. I'm guessing Jay-z won't be buying up the whole team. He'll probably have investment partners, but I think it is possible for him to at least own a big part of the team on a financial stand point. But the question is, will David Stern allow him to buy the team??

Come on now, Foolout! Why do you ramble on only to contradict yourself later? You say "You have to tell me when cuz said he wasn't serious because otherwise...he is serious. When you listen to Beyonce or Billy Ocean or just about anybody else, you are supposed to ASSUME they are serious." But THEN you say "You nor I really know if cuz is serious." LMAO! YOU JUST ADMITTED YOU DON'T KNOW IF HE IS REALLY SERIOUS! So why do YOU get to assume he is serious, but I can't assume he isn't? You're ridiculous! Post after post of moronic contradictions! We're not talking about Beyonce or Billy Ocean! We're talking about Andre 3000, MORON! And if you say I have to assume Andre 3000 is serious, then YOU have to assume BIG and Eazy were serious! But that's YOU. I don't assume they were serious! This is why you're an ASS at debating! You feel like you can assume something about a subject YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT! You don't know "Hey Ya!" You don't even know what it's about! As I said earlier, "Hey Ya" is about Andre's belief that monogomy is NOT natural. Even though Mom and Dad did it, he doesn't know how and he doesn't believe in one woman for the rest of his life. There's your topic, ASS. For such an expert, you sure did miss the topic! I find it hard to believe a so called expert doesn't know the topic of the song he's supposedly an expert about... FLIP OUTTA HERE!

But let's backtrack. "You nor I really know if cuz is serious." Ok, so we must look for clues to support our theory, right? So I stick with other instances in ANDRE 3000's CAREER (not Beyonce's or Billy Ocean's) where I KNOW he is singing and not being serious. Following me, so called expert? It's those songs you refuse to acknowledge. Those songs don't automatically mean he isn't singing seriously on Hey Ya, but since we don't know if he is, we can infer from those songs that it is HIGHLY UNLIKELY he is! Of course, you being an ASS, you believe that you have some knowledge of Hey Ya! Sure you can discuss pages 81-88. But you don't know those pages either! Why can't you just accept that you don't know what you're talking about? Sure, if you ask somebody else THAT DOESN'T KNOW JACK ABOUT OUTKAST (like you, ASS) then they might agree with you. But ask a FAN! Someone who KNOWS about Andre 3000. They'd probably tell you that he's not seriously singing and they'd know about those songs I mentioned. The ones you conveniently ignore, ASS. The FANS who KNOW about ANDRE 3000 (not Beyonce or Billy Ocean) would probably remember his singing on The Whole World, I'll Call Before I Come, Ms. Jackson, Liberation, and Roses, and realize he's probably having fun. So called experts like yourself wouldn't know this, but would claim to be so called experts and might fool the other idiots who have never heard of Outkast - but I see right through your idiotic arguments. As usual, nothing you argue is close to relevant to ANDRE 3000 (not Beyonce or Billy Ocean). And I still find it hilarious that you can be an expert (or at least YOU belive you can be) on Hey Ya and not know the topic. Seriously, the JOKE must be joking!

First of all, I put SEEMS in my statement BEFORE you explained what you claim was in your head. Go back and check. AFTER I said SEEMS is when you decided to explain yourself. AFTER. Not BEFORE. AFTER. Then, after you explained yourself - not very well - I told you I didn't believe you. That's my opinion. You can claim it to be fact if you want. You can tell me I'm wrong. You can say you know better than me what is the truth. You can say you don't have to lie to me. But you can also be lying. You can also know better than me that you're lying. I still don't believe your explanation for your earlier statements, but since we moved on, I don't feel the need to discuss it anymore. Unless you want to, of course.

Oh well, back to work... for now. I'll be back to speak on those Kast songs, Vick the EA Sports Superhuman Football God, the New Jersey Jigganets and H*WOOD's assessment of the Black Album - and my long awaited sickest beats!

I'm out like Doc Rivers. Peace!

Hillis, youngin, your logic is so confusing, you almost made me think you had a point. I've never said that I know for a fact that cuz is or is not serious. So when I come out and say we don't really know, why do you take it as if the wheel has been discovered? You can assume he is serious all you want. All I was stating is that if you take everybody else in the whole world serious, why does this man get different rules? Like I said before, I've heard artist saying "I was joking when I recorded this song," or "we were just playing on this track and decided to put it on the album because it was funny." To my knowledge, Outkast never said that. If they did provide the evidence or talk about something else. You can assume he is not serious, but how do you know? Because you've followed him since the early 90's? Holla at me with a different reason that makes more sense. Try to put all of your heated up anger aside and look at it from this point of view. When I put on a Whitney song, I don't question how serious she is. When I put on a Brandy track, I don't wonder if she is for real. Why should I with Outkast? And if by your own account he sings on most of the CD, does that mean he ain't serious on most of the CD? You are talking foolishness. So this man made a whole CD, with producing and studio time in the mix and he wasn't even serious? And dummy, I never said I was an expert about the song, you did. Well, I did, but it was clearly stated that I was only joking, kidding like Jason. In all of your cussin and fussin, guess what. You still ain't convince me (or probably anybody else) that your boy ain't serious! You failed! Speaking of being serious. "Hey Ya" is about what? LOL, LOL, LOL, where did you read that. I find it hard to believe that anybody can listen to that song and then come away with the nonsense you just spat about it. Maybe cuz said that was what it was about and you just repeated it. But it ain't like you'd ever confess, so I'm not going to challenge it. I mean, I can't even get you to actually say "Yes those sentences were remotely alike, they even started off with the same words," and the evidence is there IN BLACK AND WHITE. A bold face LIE. It ain't nothing you can ever do about it either. HA! But anyway, I find it very funny how you typed in the meaning of "Hey Ya," as if it were common knowledge and how everybody knows what its about but me. Dogg, go listen to that song again and then tell me how any educated man or woman, can come away understanding his point. Another thing that had me laughing was when you said, "We can discuss pages 81-88, but you don't know that either." Now that was funny. Cuz, you remind me of one of them teachers, that like to break down a poem or a story and then find something that ain't there. Being a journalist, I had to sit in many many English classes and I had many many teachers tell me nonsense. Kinda like you. Negro, I don't have to know the man's history to state that I feel he is singing seriously. I really do understand how in some cases this may apply. Maybe. But not here. Here's why: What if your hero from Outkast really wanted to be serious? What if he wanted to be the next, I don't know, the next Luther. Naw, the next Billy Ocean, Yeah, the next Bill-O. So if he did desire this and he was serious, how would you know? That's right, you wouldn't. All you could do is guess, unless he said otherwise. And I assume that he didn't say otherwise, so you just keep being angry and keep spiting out random Outkast facts, but remember that you really don't know and you've yet to prove your theory he might want people to take him serious, but you are going full steam with a "Don't take him serious campaign." And for the record, you can say "seems" from here to across the street, I know what was in my head. I know better than you what was in my head. I assume you have no data explaining what was in my head. Ergo, you are wasting your time. You don't have to confirm or deny this. In your heart you know, I'm right. In your heart, you know. (copyrighted by Pac in Juice)

H-Wood, I read the article about Jay. I wasn't doubting your info, I was just saying, I don't think he can pull it off, that's all. But I guess if anybody could do it, he probably could. I wanna know what you, and anybody else, thinks about Keyshawn. Was it a smart move to just drop him like that? I say yes and no. Yes, because it gets the attention of others and shows "I mean business and no one player is bigger than the team," (which isn't really true). And no because, cuz is a great receiver, Despite his loud mouth, cuz can play and is more useful on the field than off. I think the Bucs are even saying this by not releasing him. Hey, what if it's like on Playmakers, where they asked him to go on IR because of some other reason, but he said "no." But then they got him on tape buying drugs for the running back and blackmailed him? LOL, I'm playing, but seriously if Keyshawn wasn't any good, they would straight up release him and let him sign with another team. But they know that if that happens, they'll have to play against him and that could cost them an L. Even if he ain't getting the numbers he's gotten in the past, just the threat of him making a big play could keep him doubled. What if one team gets both him and Terrell next season? That's scary. Just my thoughts; I'm gone.

Darn it to heck! Darn it ALL to heck! You cats is givin me all these freakin topics and I be tryin to not post mile long posts, but this next one might be mad long, just a warning...

First things first, I - Hillis - wins all debates, embarassin dummies, playahatin flunkies, those whose debate skills hold no money, sell they soul to Satan, to get debate skills for nathan, but they debate skills still smell like sanitation... Yeah, nigga, I'm bout to flip it own you BIG style (Damn, why Hillis wanna embarass em on paper?) and you're gonna like it!

What if your enemy from Outkast didn't really want to be serious? What if he doesn't want to be the next, I don't know, the next Luther. Naw, the next Billy Ocean, Yeah, the next Bill-O. So if he doesn't desire this and he wasn't serious, how would you know? That's right, you wouldn't. All you could do is guess, unless he said otherwise. And I KNOW that he didn't say otherwise, so you just keep being angry and keep spitting out GARBAGE, but remember that you really don't know and you've yet to prove your theory he wants people to take him serious, but you are going full steam with a "Take him serious campaign." Yeah, nigga, I took yo argument! Yeah, I took it! I'm tired of lame ass journalists not reportin the news right!

As I said, as far as what was in your head, I agree; you know better than me. And I believe in your heart, you know better than me that you're lying. Basically, I still don't believe you no matter how you try and defend your actions now. You and I know what's goin on...

How do you know BIG wasn't serious? Don't say you heard him say he was joking because the song came out after he was dead - unless you Mr. Ouija! How do you know Jay, Jada, Pac, or Nas ain't serious when they sing hooks on they songs? So when Pac sang the hook on "Life of an Outlaw" we should assume he was trying to be the next Bill-O, right? Or how about on the end "Feelin On Yo Booty?" When R. Kelly goes "boo hoo tee, boo hoo tee, b-b-b-b-b-b-boo hoo teeeeeee" and starts laughing, we can't assume he was just joking right there, right? Well, don't answer those because your logic already implies that you think "yes." Yes, YOUR logic.

How would an educated man or woman listen to the song of Hey Ya and understand the topic? Well, Qool, I'm gonna go out on a limb here (sarcasm)... they may actually listen to the lyrics? Maybe? Ya think? I dunno. For example he sings "If what they say is 'Nothing is forever' then what makes love the exception?" and he goes, "Don't want to meet your daddy, just want you in my caddy. I'm just being honest." Those educated people might hear lines like that and understand it. But what does that have to do with it having or not having a topic? If an educated man or woman didn't get it on their own, but I told them the topic, they'd probably understand it based off the lyrics... which you clearly don't know. But that's irrelevant. It has a topic. Just because you missed it doesn't mean it didn't have one. Again, the recurring theme is you were wrong.

Speaking of topics, I'll answer your questions about the other songs as best as possible so you can call up your boy and talk about them, lol. I haven't heard the Monica song so I have no idea. The Beyonce song I wouldn't officially categorize as an Outkast song, since Big Boi is doing a cameo; however, I don't know all of his verse, but what I recollect is that his verses are about him being a tight hip hop star and girl you need to get with him. The chorus of The Way You Move and the video should have told you what it's about, but anyway, it's a song about sex and fine women. On a slightly related note, Beyonce refers to herself as a hip hop star in that song? What do you think of that? And yes, the beat to Survivor was muphukin flames, no doubt, lol...

Since you have admitted that neither of us truly know if he's seriously singing, then to have this debate would pointless. However, that's here nor there because we ARE having this debate. So we have to have something to base it on, true? Well, since I know more about the artist in question (which you have agreed with), it is safe to say I'm more credible than you. It is likely that I'm right, and you're wrong. And you can't dispute that, because if these educated men and women came along and viewed the debate, they'd probably think my KNOWLEDGE about Andre 3000 outweighs what you THINK you know.

Randomly discussing other points, I can't believe if a sentence has words that match, you think that makes them remotely close? "Smoking fags" in England and in the US have two TOTALLY different meanings. They're not even remotely close. I guess the meaning of a sentence doesn't matter at all to you, huh? Just the words? Whatever, ASS. I don't know what Under Construction 2 has to do with anything, but no, I don't want that. Also, I assume when you say "the skeet skeet song" you mean Get Low by Lil Jon and Ying Yang Twins. Well, yeah, I like the song. Your point? Are you trying to enhance your argument by belittling my taste in music? This from the man who claims Glitter is a good movie? lol, yeah... ok...

Now, doin a 180 degree turn, I must say that I agree with you on the whole Jay-Z slash new stuff slash Black Album explanation to H*WOOD. Like Qool, H*WOOD, I don't see why you would fault Jay for rappin about hustlin and comin back to the game. I mean, really, Reasonable Doubt wasn't all that innovative when it came out and it was about hustlin and the game. It had been done way before 1996. And not sayin you said this specifically, but how can Jay "go back to his Reasonable Doubt roots" and not talk about hustling and the game? That's pretty much the whole focus on Reasonable Doubt. If we're talkin flow wise, his flow was weaker back then IMHO. I agree, Jay may usually rap about hustlin, but who doesn't? Honestly, his topic has little to do with why I like Jay. His wordplay is ill no matter what he raps about. I feel like Jadakiss says the same thing all the time, but it's the way he says it that makes me a fan. He could do 10 songs about D-Block, but I can bet that I'll probably like 7 of them because he'll come up with some metaphor or some flows that are ill... just like Will was. It sounds like you're down on it just because his vision for Black Album was different than your interpretation of a "black" album. But then again, I agree with you, H*WOOD, when you said this is the real BP2 and since you didn't like BP1, I can see you legitimately not liking the Black Album - even though I think they're both flames! But I was also impressed how well you articulated the different MUSICAL parts of the Allure beat. You summed up why I like the beat so much in musical terms. Shoot, Hollywood, what you know about allegro, cresendo, stacatto, and slurring?

I don't think Jay-Z will be able to totally control the team, either. Remember, it's traditional males who buy the tickets and most of the paraphernalia. Jay-Z's rap image may hurt him with these types, plus the people he deals with might not respect him because he is a rapper - no matter how successful he is.

Qoolout, no lie. I feel you 100% on Vick. Honestly, I read your post THE SAME DAY I decided that I was playin with Vick from now on. THE SAME DAY. I played my boy and it was Vick on Vick. He still beat me, but the game was a lot closer and I was able to do some of that nonsense he does with Vick. I was rollin when I saw that. Ain't no way I ain't playin with Vick anymore. Every other QB is too sorry. But you know who else on the Falcons is a lot better than he should be? Well, I'll let you guess and see if you feel me. Cause Vick ain't the only one on there who be pullin of some 100% pure uncut raw nonsense.

Has anybody seen the commercial where this one guy falls and knocks over thousand of other people like a domino effect and in the end... it's about Miller Lite beer? What in the world? It's some stupid stuff on TV these days - human dominoes? These gays... lol

I think the Bucs decision to release Keyshawn is good or bad depending on whether we're talking long term or short term. In the short term, of course you don't just deactivate your top receiver when you're fighting to return to the playoffs. Keyshawn was a big steady target whom Brad Johnson liked. It's gonna hurt them the rest of season, especially since not everybody agrees. So short term, it was a bad decision. Long term, I think it was the right thing to do. Even just keeping him the last six games would undermine Jon Gruden's authority and even if they kept it quiet, respect for the coaching staff would be all but lost. It also may send a message to the rest of the Bucs that they need to quit playing like ass or they can be gone, too. And Keyshawn was lettin everybody know he wanted to leave anyway, so why not nip it in the bud since the season is slipping away. Personally, I think they know they ain't makin the playoffs so they might as well try to get rid of this distraction ASAP and salvage next season and any remaining respect for Gruden.

Speaking of Gruden, I've said it before, so I'll post it now. Jon Gruden should mail his Super Bowl ring to Tony Dungy. If Phil Jackson supposedly comes along at the right time then Jon Gruden takes it to a new level. The Bucs got hot right when Dungy left. Luck for Gruden. Now we see that Jon Gruden ain't that good of a coach... but Dungy is. Gruden and everybody gave Dungy his props, but I hope it's reinforced that Gruden did nothing to push them over the edge. He's taken the exact same team that won the Super Bowl and now they might not even make the playoffs. True Alstott is hurt and Jurevicius, but the Bucs weren't doin much of anything before they got hurt. I'm not sayin they should be 9-2, but they definitely shouldn't be 4-6.

If this post is too long, it ain't my fault.

Here's a list of 13 - in no special order - maybe I'll think of 8 more later... What Happened To Dat Boy? - 50 Cent's PIMP - 10 Crack Commandmants - 2Pac's No More Pain - No Limit Soldiers - UGK's Diamonds and Wood - T.I./Neptunes on What's Yo Name -Twista's Adrenaline Rush - Timbo and Jay on Is That Yo Chick and Nigga What, Nigga Who - Lil Flip and David Banner Get Down Like A Pimp (yeah, that's right, Freestyle King H*WOOD's ass!) - Thuggish Ruggish Bone and Foe Da Luv of $...

I'm out like Keyshawn. Peace!

Aiyo, Q S, check it: you know who did you know what to you know who - 3 times. We'll definitely keep that between me and you.

Whoa.

Anyway, I think we're arguing two different points. Is he serious about the album? Absolutely. Is he serious about his singing? Absolutely not. Still, maybe all this we've been arguin is for nothin. Still, if you AT LEAST heard "Roses" I belive you would understand what I'm talkin about. But you ain't gotta answer all those other questions about Pac, I know your answer. Yes, you think Pac is serious. Yes, you think Pac wanted to display his R&B skills. Yes, you're a dumb ass. Yes, you think R. Kelly was serious. Yes, you think R. Kelly thought he was doin the illest shit ever with b-b-b-b-b-b boo boo hoo tee! Yes, you're a MORON. Benefit of the doubt (king) my ass!

By the way, when Eazy and Dre sing "And we'll both ride home in my automobile!" Eazy sings the melody and Dre sings harmony over him, playa. Check it out.

Diminishing credit? This from the man with no clout? HA! Dude, I felt you were lying. I still do. You can tell me you're not ALL YOU WANT. You can tell me you know what was in your head. I don't believe you (you need more people). Why you got to lie? You don't. But I believe you're lying. And based on all the events that unfolded, I don't believe I'm wrong. Why are we still on this, anyway?

Enemy isn't the opposite of hero? No (bleep), Sherlock. But the way you rantin on about Dre 3000, one would say he's your mortal enemy. Just like you claim he's my hero.

Still trying to belittle my taste in music, huh? So it doesn't take much for me to like a song? Why? Cause I don't give a rat's ass about lyrics? Negro, please. I favor production and you don't; that doesn't mean your criteria is more demanding - it's just different. If it didn't take much for me to like a song, I'd be a fan of sorry ass acts like Jae Hood, Diddy, Geto Boys, Nonchalant, and Wish Bone (ahem). Or I'd say something like Nas is supposedly better than Jay-Z, even though Nas has dropped only 2 good albums in his whole career, and Jay has AT LEAST 4. Or I'd rep all those sorry ass acts like Wu Tang or Young Gunz. Or I'd be a fan of Common and Talib Kweli simply cause "they have a message." Or I'd like songs that are supposedly "about something." I ain't the one who came on here reppin Chingy's first two verses on Holidae Inn (ahem). Don't be hatin, playa! I like the song because the beat is wangin. And if YOU don't feel it, fine, but with the airplay it gets, it must be doin somethin right (please spare us all the nonsense about what China, Iraq, and Japan might think - let's keep it within hip hop). As far as the lyrics go, of course they're horrendous, but I enjoy myself everytime I hear that song, so don't hate me cause I can find the humor in the song and you can't. All that hatin, all that hatin. You need to quit that, playa.

As usual, you missed the point. I don't have to pull out ANY lines. You claimed Hey Ya had no point. And as usual, you were wrong. You can post Hey Ya and The Way You Move's lyrics and I'll deconstruct them for you, but make sure they're correct. The last time you posted Southern lyrics, you went to some website and didn't even get the right lyrics, and tried to blame the website. What kind of journalist publicly turns on his source after he finds out he's wrong? Where's the integrity?

"I am going to murk Qoolout by telling him he is dumb." "I am going to encourage Qoolout by telling him he is smart." If you think those are close then we'll just have to agree to disagree... moron.

Say it loud and say it proud. The Skins will be 7-9... probably worse. 10-6 is gone. So gone. Like Monica, playa. Looks like Dan is plottin for a new coach and new O-line. These Redskins...

What was the Magic thinking by firing Doc Rivers. He took one of the sorriest teams and made them a playoff contender. Without T-Mac, them niggas might not even be ranked in the top 10 in the NCAA polls. So what they started out 1-10? Doc done won a Coach of the Year and took em to the playoffs like it wasn't nothin. At least let Doc miss the playoffs before firing him. So as a basketball decision, it seems moronic. But I wonder if this was a basketball decision. I think a lot of times, these coaches win and start gettin bold with the front office people. That seems to be an underlying story when good coaches bounce or get fired. Why else would Rick Carlisle, Paul Silas, or Isiah Thomas get fired/forced out? Byron Scott done got J-Kidd and turned NJ around, and he can't even get an extension. Either Rod Thorn is dumb or Byron done made em mad and ask for like... 1 BILLION dollars (copyright Dr. Evil). George Karl is a prime example, too. He's a proven coach, but he pisses everybody off. So in conclusion, I guess these GMs and owners aren't as stupid as they come across. They may just be extra sensitive bitches, lol.

10-6? More like 6-10... yeah, that was too easy...

I'm out like Cartwright. Peace!

Yeah, it doesn't take much for you to like a song. I doubt (but no can't prove) that you knew anything about the production when you heard "skeet skeet." I know I didn't, I just knew that I didn't like it, mainly because cuz kept saying skeet skeet, and I couldn't, although I tried, see the point of it. I assume you on the other hand heard him saying, "Aw, skeet skeet skeet," and just fell in love with it. If we gonna talk about production let's talk about production. I'm speaking about the song, not who and what was behind the scenes. Jae Hood to Wish Bone and all them peeps in between ain't got nothing to do with "skeet skeet." How does their flow excuse them bammas going in the studio and actually recording "Aw skeet skeet skeet?" I guess next you'll say that wasn't serious. If you like it for the production side I can't dispute that, that's you. But I think that makes my point stronger that it doesn't take much for you to like a song. Just my thoughts. And for the record Holidae Inn (the first two verses) is hot. That just goes to show you that I can put aside my dislike. Now before that song, I knew Chingy off the strength of "Right Thurr," which is probably one of your favorites. That song is in my dislike column so I wasn't trying to hear nothing else he had. But I actually listened to the lyrics and although I didn't want to admit it, cuz was flowin'. LOL, "Ching-a-ling equipped with much ding-a-ling/ walked in, I'm on the scene of things." LOL, no them ain't the deepest joints I ever posted, and yes, it ain't even in my character to like his rhymes. But nevertheless, "It's some pretty girls in herre, I hearing whisperin'/ talking bout that's that dude that sing Right Thurr, he glis-ing," is something I surprisingly enjoy. Yes I think Nas is better than Jay, but that's my opinion and we can debate that if you'd like. And China, Iraq, and Japan, ain't nonsense, airplay is airplay. If you are gonna shout about MOST people, I'ma include them. They are people MORON. Lastly, I didn't go to a website that had them lyrics wrong. I just was telling you that's where I got them. I think they were correct. You accused me of altering them and that's when I told you "well, if they were wrong blame the website, not I." And if a person's source is wrong, he or she is supposed to say, I got the wrong info. Only a fool (you) would say something different. You know the lyrics to both of them Outkast songs, so I don't need to post them. You and I know that they ain't talking about nothing overall. Yeah he may say a few things you can piece together, but the song as a whole? Keep lying to yourself.

I conclude that I don't know a thing about football. 7-9 sounds so good right now. The cowgirls are at the top and we are at the bottom. I don't know what to say but clearly I didn't know what was going on; dag, I hate the cowgirls.

LOL at the album god's son being wack, any Dark Man X album being mentioned in the same sentence as illmatic, nas only dropping two good albums in his career, and quoting ANY bars from that "coming to the stage" ass rapper ludacris...from witnessing these statements and quotes i hearby pronounce you the lamest "rap" consumer ever.

And by the way...2 Wack was an exceptional rhythm and blues artist...he's easily top 10 in my category...my favorite joint was the last track on the 2nd disk of All Eyes On Me....yall niggaz know the chorus..."If you really wanna fuck with meeeeeeee, I'm ready..."

Well, that should do it for me. You niggaz have a nice day.

Isn't that sweet? Dunny misses me, lol...

God's Son doesn't have one good song on it. The Cross is aiight and Made You Look's beat is tight, but Nas sucks on it. If not for the remix, it would have been a terrible waste of a good beat. I Can is the worst rap song EVER. Hands down. Take this to the bank: It Was Written and Stillmatic are his only good albums. If you count The Lost Tapes, he might have 3, but I don't count it. It's Dark and Hell is Hot is easily better than Illmatic. Easily. Just like with Pac, if Ludacris sucks so bad, why did Nas do a song with him? I'm actually only the second lamest "rap" consumer ever - I don't rep Cormega, AZ, and Mobb Deep, lol...

Foolout, you're a joke with no clout. Chingy sucks and so do all his verses. None of those lil snipits you posted was tight, and what's even worse, it's along the same lines as Cash Money and all them other niggas you clown! And I think it's funny that it's ok for you to rep Chingy on Holidae Inn, but you try and clown somebody if they like Right Thurr. NEGRO PLEASE! Right Thurr, in my opinion, is aiight. But that's irrelevant. There's nothing good about Chingy's verses in my opinion, but you like em, so who cares? You do since you tryin to talk about people's opinions of music. And what do you mean I ain't know the production when I heard Get Low? As soon as I heard the song, I knew I liked it! What are you talking about? I liked the beat, which is my criteria for liking a song. "Aw skeet skeet" is in the chorus, but that doesn't matter. It bothers you; it doesn't bother me. Jae Hood sucks. He's a fake wanna be Joe Budden/Jada/Styles. That nigga sucks. Nothin else to say man, he fuckin sucks. But you like him, so more power to you. Wish Bone was easily the worst member in BONE. Terrible. All his verses were equal to Aw skeet skeet. And don't get me started on Nonchalant. If you think Nas is better than Jay, that's cool, too. But it seems like it must not take much for you to like a song to think that he's better than Jay cause Nas has 2 horrible songs for every decent one and a few classics here and there. I'll hand it to Nas. He's the Kordell Stewart of rap. When he's on (which is rare) he's tight like McNabb, McNair, and Vick, but when he's off (which is real common), he's off to the tune of 5 interceptions and 3 lost fumbles and 8 sacks. So you cheer for him cause you feel sorry for him and hope he'll turn it around, but he never does consistently. So in my opinion it must not take much for you to like a song if you can stomach some of the crap Nas has put out in his 10 year career and say it's better than Jay's. Especially considering that you don't care much for Illmatic, either.

So I guess the fact that R. Kelly started LAUGHING didn't tell you something about him going "boo oo tee! boo oo tee! boo hoo tee! B-b-b-b-b-boo hoo hoo tee?!" He even laughs on the remix, MORON...

"So since MOST of the world doesn't listen to hip hop, then it must suck, right? Why are we posting? Hip hop sucks because people in Korea and Scotland and Madagascar don't listen to it. We should just stop debating because Pac, Jada, Nas, Em, Luda, Kast, BIG, and Jay
suck anyway because people in Iran and Kuwait and Turkey say so" - Qoolout's logic

Quit tryin to save face. Hey Ya has a point. You didn't get it from those lines, who cares? It still has a point. You were wrong. Face it! And my "deep love" (lol) for Outkast is irrelevant to that. You said a lot of their songs have no point. Now, if by "a lot" you meant 10, then maybe. I thought you meant a lot like 30 or 40 percent of Outkast songs. Then you're way off base. Like I said, all the songs you mentioned have a point. Way You Move and Hey Ya. That Beyonce song ain't an Outkast song. It's a Beyonce song with ONE member from Kast. He guests. And I told you the point of it. Scroll up. Besides, his verse is more in relation to the point of the song than Jay-Z's verse is on Crazy in Love.

I see you didn't respond to the statements that have the similar words but aren't remotely close. Were you murked?

"I knew Chingy off the strength of "Right Thurr," which is probably one of your favorites." LMAO! "I assume you on the other hand heard him saying, "Aw, skeet skeet skeet," and just fell in love with it." LMAO some more. Aw skeet skeet skeet skeet skeet skeet skeet skeet is flippin flames! lol Anyway, since you don't know football, to save face the least you could do is cheer for the Tight Titans...

I'm out like Steve McNair. Or is he? Peace!

It's useless disputing with niggaz whose first hearing of Illmatic was in 2001...lol...of course if you've heard it damn near 10 yrs after it's actual release date it's not going to have replay value compared to todays mainstream HIP POP...I mean the nigga was saying shit on that album that fag rappers today are just beginning to grasp...damn how lame can you be...Also, you've already proved how wack of a "rap" consumer you are by callin All Eyes On Me a classic?....how? when? where?...like Havoc said..."you kick that THUG shit, but in vibe magazine on some LOVE shit"...what a fraud. Any who, is it me or does "ILLMATIC I was boss/IT WAS WRITTEN I flossed, one of the most creative lp's ever to his stores/ In THE FIRM, I learned I AM NASTRADAMUS/ QB'S FINEST/ OOCHIE WALLY faced more problems"...give birth to Jay's chorus on MOMENT OF CLARITY. Well all I can say about this is..."Nas designed ya BLUEPRIENT who you kiddin..." Lastly, once again I could care less about who Nas puts on his remixes(even though he does it mainly to bring in more income, hence past remixes with Missy, Jagged Edge, and Mariah Carey)...Ludacris is still WACK...through three terrible albums...he has shown the world nothing but below average word play, non humerous lyrics, and alot thug shit that he as well as his Chicago(yeah that's his home town...he too is another FRAUD that claims he's from the ATL)natives know isn't near being factual...he is a joke as well as his recycled material ass albums. Oh yeah, I would rather thump some Cormega, AZ, and Mobb Deep, than to live through hell with "We Ridin Spinners, We Riding Spinners...It Don't Stop"...those homos aint riding on nada with they rented ass vehicles...lol...I'm gone

I think Hillis has something against the Queensbridge housing projects, lol. You are absolutely not feeling any of those niggas from there. I personally would rep AZ, Mega & Mobb Deep before a Ludacris or even a 3'6 Mafia. I don't even see how you cannot like AZ, when Jay-z is the most complementary to his style. In a way I think Jay-z's flow is from AZ's style. Even during his fast rapping days, like you hear some of Jay-z early work, you can see the similarities when you hear AZ on Life's A Bitch. It really kinda surprised me a bit, that you’re not really feeling his styles. I think he is slept on a lot.

I think J-Hood is good... for his age! I'd rather hear him instead of a Lil' Bow Wow, or any other teenager on the mic right now (I think J-Hood is like 19 now). But he really needs to improve on his charisma, he doesn't have any emotion on the mic. You can't tell if he is serious or not. Plus some of his metaphors suck like:

"I got guns bigger than the subs from subway"

WTF is that? He's been doing lines like that for a while now too. Qoolout you should go check out Cassidy, he's better than J-Hood on all levels. He's been getting some good reviews on his album, if that lends any credence towards you possibly giving his album a listen.

Now on to this Black album discussion. I think you missed my point about the Black album Hill. Earlier in my assessment I said in Reasonable doubt he still had that connection to the drug game, in which you felt he was still on the grind. His last few albums have all been a retrospect on his drug game. On Allure I like the way he backtracked to the time he strapped his girl with the crack and sent her on a plane. But the feeling of being there & seeing through retrospect, is the major difference with his flow. Wordplay is great, and I give him props for that. But its just a new gift rap for the same present. He's still saying the same thing, but just saying it with different words. The subject matter has diminished. Its either he ran out of stories, or just kept recycling a style that helped him become successful.

The production is in the top 3 all time on his albums. Not as good as Vol. 2, but maybe better than BP1 & RD. I would have to look on the situation later to have a good look on it.

I had expectations for the album, but that didn't effect my personal thoughts on how the album turned out. Really it wasn't even my personal expectations... He actually said that these things were going to be in there, and it wasn't! I honestly think dude is going to regret going out the way he did in a few years.

Finally I have to say I liked God Son. Nas is by far the best concept rapper of our generation. Who cares if he contradicts himself. Or fabricates his stories, the dude is the best lyricist of this generation of Hip-Hop. Maybe ever! I like The Cross, and Book of Rhymes, Warrior Song, Revolutionary Warfare, Made You Look, Last Real Nigga Alive, Pussy Killz. I think its a good album, bar none. I'll wait to explain totally why I like the album. But its certainly one of the best albums of 2002, IMHO.

If All Eyez On Me ain't a classic, then Illmatic isn't close.

Honestly, H*WOOD, I couldn't care less if AZ or Cormega were my cousins, peep the quote at the beginning. That doesn't just describe Cadillac Tah, it describes them, too. If you feel them more than 3-6 or the Freestyle King, then cool, but them niggas impact in hip hop is minimal - actually, it's non exsistent. At least 3-6 has some popular songs. AZ and Cormega don't have shit goin for them other than we seem to know their names. But I couldn't name a good Cormega song to save my life. And as you know, Best has been known to rep Chino XL. I guess he may be the Project Pat for East Coast rap fans, cause Chino XL sucks. And Mobb Deep put out ONE decent album, which I liked one song on. Other than that, their albums have been boo boo which is in line with their "skills." And the only thing AZ has in common with Jay-Z is, well, their names rhyme. Other than that, Jay-Z is nice, and AZ is dick in the bootie.

H*WOOD, God's Son is garbage to me. Again, if you like it, bump it. I ain't hatin. But I need not discuss where Nas lays as a concept rapper. Saying that I'm not a fan of Nas is a little off base. I like a lot of Nas's stuff and I give Nas his props for having a solid fan base, and he probably will go down as one of the top 10, possibly top 5 rappers of all time. HOWEVER... The nigga SHOULD be #1, if you look at his lyrical ability. I think he is extremely overrated, still. For someone who has the potential to spit a classic every time he picks up the mic, he has put out LOTS of garbage. LOTS. A lot of them songs you mentioned on God's Son I think are wack, but that's my opinion. Still, how can you follow up the Made You Look remix with I Can? That's vintage Nas right there. From flames to trash to flames to trash and so on and so forth. From I Gave You Power to Money Is My Bitch. From Blaze A 50 to Nastradamus. From Ether to Hey Nas. From 2nd Childhood to Oochie Wally. I know plenty of good rappers come out with bad songs, but with Nas, his bad songs are just unbearable. I may be the only person on this thread who feels that way, but I can't count the number of people I met who agree with me. I Can is a perfect example of this. I mean, you can diss Southern music all day, but you'd be lying if you said there was a song worse than that. Seriously, no exaggeration, that is the worse rap song I have ever heard. Easily. Hands down. I know it may just be one bad song to others, but to me, it's a microcausm of his entire career.

Nigga, you still usin them lame ass rappers to diss 2Pac? lol

Well, I'm gonr.

No, wait, my bad, I'm still here... This nigga actually quoted Havoc??? lol

I'm out like the Lakers on this win streak and the Redskins on this ferocious L streak that Qoolout loves. Peace!

Hey, alright now
Alright now fellows, Yeah!
Now what's cooler than bein' cool? Ice Cold!
I can't hear ya'
I say what's cooler than bein' cool? Ice Cold!
Alright, alright, alright, alright
Alright, alright, alright, alright
Alright, alright, alright, alright
Alright, alright, alright, Ok now ladies!
And we gonna break this back down in just a few seconds
Now don't have me break this thing down for nothin'
Now I wanna see y'all on y'all baddest behavior
Lend some suga', I am your neighbor
Shake it, shake, shake it, shake it
Shake it, shake it, shake, shake it, shake it, shake it
Shake it, shake it like a Polaroid picture
Shake it, shake it, shake it, shh shake it, shake it, got to shake it
Shake it like a Polaroid Picture
[Verse Three - Andre 3000 (Repeating "Shake it" in background)]
Now while Beyoncé and Lucy Lui
And baby dolls, get on the floor
(Get on the floor)
You know what to do.
You know what to do.
You. know I do
[Chorus]
Hey ya
Hey ya
[Chorus continues until fade]
(If the lyrics are wrong I apologize to you in advance).
Let me guess. You like the production, right? Who's the real joke? And that Beyonce song has an Outkast member so I can cite it. Just like "Hey Ya" and "The Way You Move" only have one member. And Jay's verse is way better. If for no other reason than I can actually say he was taking about something. No, it might not be as clear cut as other tracks, but compare it to the Outkast one and then talk to me. And if I don't know football, that still don't mean I don't know "Jack." I ain't cheering for no Titans, lol. Skins til the end of the season BIG BABY, lol. And I'm not sure what you are speaking of when you say I didn't respond. If about the first 12 or 13 words are the same, and the point, and subject are the same, the sentences are similar. These dummies.
H-wood, I will check out Cassidy, but what songs do you suggest. Oh yeah, That Kanye West, "Through the Wire" is flames. Is cuz on point like that all the time or is that rare? The Black album is pretty good, but once again is has it's share of nonsense that takes it down a few points with me. I'll get into that later, but does Nas' "Heaven" ( the last song on God's Son) sound like Jay's "My First Song" (the last song on Black Album)? I don't put as much stock into beats as the rest of y'all but this really stood out to me, the 1st time I heard it.

Negette, you off the chains. I don't care if you rep Chingy or not. I wasn't implying that you repped Chingy. I just found it amusing and hypocritical that you were TRYING to clown me by saying I probably liked "Right Thurr" but still talkin about how hot Chingy's verses are on "Holidae Inn." If you liked his garbage lyrics, then you ain't gotta defend em to me. If you like Jae Hood's piss, er, I mean, lyrics, then go ahead and like em. If you felt Wish Bone is awesome, even though he never spit anything above extremely mediocre, then fine! If you wanna diss Luda, I don't care. Diss 3-6, Outkast, and whoever. I don't care just like you don't. But Ludacris doesn't have a song called "Chicken and Beer." So "I Can" being better than "Chicken and Beer" doesn't make sense to me. Still, I hope you aren't honestly gonna sit here and tell me that "I Can" is better than any song on "Chicken and Beer."I could list off all the tight songs I feel are on C&B, just like all y'all list off the supposed tight songs off God's Son. But I won't. I'll just say you're out your mind if you think Luda can't put out a song better than I Can. Aw skeet skeet skeet is a flippin classic compared to I Can. And Ludacris has three platinum albums. He must be doin SOMETHING right, unlike no name, terrible Jae Hood. You can spit all the nonsense about sales don't mean nothin, but we all know the people who spit that are just pissed because no one likes the garbage artist they rep. Also, Ludacris was featured on the Made You Look remix with Nas and Jadakiss. Nas, Mr. Concept lyricist, and Jadakiss, Mr. Ill like Will was. So you mean to tell me that Jada and Nas are two cold ass lyricists and they picked Ludacris to be on that song, but Ludacris has no skills? Negro please! Ludacris gets plenty of love and respect from all the top lyricists in rap. Best has clowned Luda as much as you, but even he admitted he felt Luda more than Jada on the Made You Look remix (with me up on it). That doesn't mean Luda is better than Jada, but if Best found one good thing to say about Luda, then you have to at least give Luda some props. I find it hard to believe - nah, flip that - it's MORONic for someone to claim that Ludacris has no skills, but two of today's most skilled rappers found him nice enough to flow with. AND they came with some of they hardest flows! If he was so sorry, why would Nas bring the fire at the end like he did? Just because you don't like him, or any of the predominantly East Coast lovers of this thread don't either, doesn't mean he has no skills. It just means the East Coast bias in here is high.

How in the flip are you just gonna post Andre 3000's ad libs and try and pass em off as a 3rd verse? Small Clout, you're not just a joke; you're a jack ass! He's not even singing on that part you claimed is the 3rd verse. It doesn't even rhyme! Are you stoned? Plastered? Stoned and plastered? It looks like you've lost your common sense along with your clout. Niggas ad lib at the end of they songs all the time. They give shout outs and say stuff that may not have had anything to do with the song at all. You gon try and post like they was verses. FLIP OUTTA HERE! I know my posts be FLIPPIN FLAMES, but you ain't gotta do dumb ish to try and match wits with me, lol. It was pretty obvious what the first two verses were and that there are only TWO verses in the song. Obvious to everybody but you. "Now all Beyonces and Lucy Lius get on the floor..." HA! You thought that was a verse?! LMAO! Come on, Hey Ya (wanna be but not at all) expert! Oh wait, was that the internet site's fault that you thought that was a real verse? lol

I know you can't see me or hear me, but I wasn't trying to act like you should have gotten it. Hell, I was confused when I first heard it, too. I wasn't sure if he thought monogamous relationships were good or bad. I actually read the topic in a magazine when he was speaking in on the subject. All I was saying is that it does have a point. I wasn't trying to act like it was easy to get. But you were implying that no educated man or woman could possibly gather the topic. That's not true. If they listened to the TWO (not three) REAL (not made into verses by Qoolout) VERSES (not the ad lib), it could be figured out. Maybe not. But again, all this is a smokescreen to the real issue... YOU WERE STILL WRONG! Hey Ya has a point. Nothin else to say man, you were wrong.

Uh, no, playa, that would be your logic. When I said most people liked the Pass the C beat based on the airplay, YOU (not me, YOU) brought in people in Iraq and China and Egypt not liking it cause they don't play hip hop there. I didn't make it clear that I was talking within the scope of hip hop fans, and for that I apologize, but when I told you that I meant in the scope of hip hop fans, you said I couldn't do that. YOU (not me, YOU) said that we had to include the people in Korea and Japan. YOU said that. Not me. YOU. YOU said that most people don't like it cause people in Indonesia and New Zealand didn't like it. YOU said that. So if they don't like Pac, Nas, BIG, Jay, and Jada (I'll leave out Kast and Luda for you) therefore we can't debate about them because of people in Denmark and Nigeria not hearing it. We can't talk about Pac and Jada within the scope of hip hop. We gotta talk about Iceland, Mexico, Argentina, and Panama. You brought up all those people. You opened up that can of worms. YOU (not me). I even asked you to spare us that nonsense, but you said "No, we can't. We gotta talk about people in Chile and Sudan, blah, blah, blah..." Yeah, this is clearly your logic, cause I'm only discussing this in the realm of hip hop fans. You can wonder about country fans and neo Nazis and Taliban members and dead people and devil worshippers and ghosts and whatever the hell you wanna bring in to the argument. If you care what they think, then you care to your heart is content, BIG BABY. As for me and my house, we gon talk within the scope of hip hop fans. And just for fun, how do you know they don't play hip hop in those other countries?

In the sentences I posted, the subject and point weren't the same, MORON. Thus, you don't need to respond because you are murked (as Jada would say).

10 is not a lot when you got out about 100 songs... these DC gays.

Why not cheer for them Tight Titans? Cheer for a winner for once...

I'm out like Small Clout. Peace!

Flippin Titans lost. Nothin else to say, man. Flippin Titans lost. The Redskins won, so at least somebody in here should be filled with cheer and shout out with glee. Anyway, I'm here to discuss the BCS and the events that unfolded this football weekend. THANK YOU, LORD! If the BCS isn't the dumbest thing ever invented, then I don't know what is. First of all, I been saying all along Oklahoma ain't that good, they just benefit from a weak ass conference. The Big 12 has always been overrated and is even more so now, thanks to Nebraska's dominance in the 90's (when HOLLA was in). So what they rolled up on Texas and Oklahoma State? Texas is ALWAYS overrated - in fact, the reason they're 5th is beyond me since they got waxed by Oklahoma AT THEY OWN HOUSE and Arkansas served em AT THEY OWN HOUSE! Oklahoma State sucks but at least their ranking shows it. Oklahoma's toughest game was at Alabama, an SEC team that went 4-7, and Oklahoma should have lost. All that OU is the best ever nonsense had me wanting to smack these analysts! Second, I haven't been impressed with the teams USC has beaten, either. Their biggest win was against Wash State, and they suck, too. So what they beat up on Hawaii, soory ass Notre Dame and whatever wack team they beat. But at least when I watch USC, Mike WIlliams comes away looking like the truth. And LSU, in my opinion, plays in the toughest conference and gets penalized for beating a top ten team twice. The BCS is garbage. College football is garbage. They need a playoff and hopefully the K State disaster will put us closer to said playoff system so all these Big 12 and Pac 10 teams will quit beatin on they own sorry selves and have to play real competition outside their garbage conferences like FSU, UT, Miami, and Florida decide to do. Oklahoma didn't schedule one tough nonconference game, nor did USC. With a playoff, teams from the Big Ten and SEC and the new look ACC won't get punished for having to consistently play GOOD teams within their conference.

Here go some more beats I forgot about... Jadakiss/Alchemist on We Gon Make It - Project Pat/Three 6 on I Choose You - Camron/Just Blaze on Oh Boy and Nas's 2nd Childhood...

I'm out like my Tight Titans. Peace!

Hollyhood, I guess you're right dun, you can't dispute with that dude's opinions even if they're garbage. Also, look at this niggaz reasons for him not feeling Nas....lol....What nerve this guy has for criticizing an aritst for picking his/her singles. Let me explain something...I CAN was not meant to be a lyrical, metaphorical, or flowing wise masterpiece, nor go down in history as one of the greatest hip hop songs ever. Nas is 30 years old with a pre-teen daughter. This song was made for individuals like her, hence all of the children in the video. Also, today's HIP POP is so watered down with the "hustler this, thug that" gimmicks that it was only official to put this album out. Nas has been GOING AGAINST THE GRAIN his entire career, and that's why he stands out from every other artist. And on ILLMATIC he said "..versatile, my style switches like a faggot", so that should have hinted niggaz at what type of artist he was going to be...UNLESS YOUR FIRST HEARING OF ILLMATIC WAS IN 2001...lol...Nas does not and has never followed the "FORMULA" to making a "HIT RECORD", so that's why he can go from putting out a STREET DREAMS to an IF I RULED THE WORLD or from a GOT YOURSELF A GUN to an inspirational ONE MIC...it's nothing. On the other hand, lets take wack ass Ludacris for example, he's a perfect "FORMULA RAPPER"...this niggaz first single...FANTASY(or whatever the hell this gay shit was) sounds mad similar to his latest single STAND UP...yeah the choruses are different, but he spits about the same non-comical, "in the club", "i got all the hoes" garbage. I aint knockin his sales because the nigga does 3 mil every time he drops, but sales don't make an aritst it's his or her work...and this dude's work stinks big time.

Also, who cares if you've met people who feel the same way about Nas as you do. Nigga look where you reside...lol...I can say the same thing about Southern cRAP when I'm back at home also. And come on, you can't be serious about naming a song that's worse than I CAN(even though I CAN isn't bad)...where do you want me to start...How about MINNIE THE MOOCHER by 2 Wack Shakur...now that's one of the lamest joints not only in hip hop, but in music peiod.

Oh yeah, I quoted half of the duo that lyrically destroyed ya favorite rapper. I mean you quote homos like Eightball, MJG, and Pimp C...so what's ya point?

I'm gone...

Madd rapper. Naw I ain’t hear nor do I believe that. Simply because I ain’t never heard them spit nothing like Nas. I did hear them spit verses that I was feeling, but if you wrote all of Nas’ stuff then your stuff should be just as tight, right?

This bamma came up in MY home and beat me 3 times in Madden. That clown. Well, he will be invited back and I'ma wear him out the next time.

These clowns... Two flippin clowns...

Ok, Clown #1 (aka Foolout), you are a MORON. I have since come to the conclusion that you haven't actually heard Hey Ya or even seen the video. You're so embarassed that you were WRONG about Hey Ya not having a point, you're trying to turn the whole song into a verse just to support your INCORRECT conclusion. YOU WERE WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! Quit makin up verses! Quit goin to websites and gettin more WRONG info and trying to pass it off as fact! YOU ARE/WERE/WILL CONTINUE TO BE WRONG! WRONG! INCORRECT! You made a major FAUX PAS! WRONG! YOU ARE NOT RIGHT! lol

<> "Yeah?" <> "ICE COLD!" <> "ICE COLD!" - Look, ASS, that is simply Andre speaking to the band. That's absolutely NOT a verse! And rather than post the next part, I'll let you know he begins speaking to the ladies in the crowd. If you saw the video you should know this. Speaking to band members and people in the crowd is NOT a verse. So then he starts going shake it and shake it like a polaroid picture and sayin all right over and over again. True, you can call it wack and pointless, but it's not a verse. He's speaking to the ladies in the crowd. Then here's where you baffle me with your stupidity. "Now all Beyonce's and Lucy Liu's get on the floor... (Get on the floor! You know what to doo-oo-ooo...)" That is NOT a verse. You're a dumb ass! HE'S NOT SINGING! In the video, it's his altar ego on bass guitar talking into the mic. He's talking to all the ladies in the crowd. Then the lead singer goes "Get on the floor..." That's not a verse. Yes, it's a flippin ad lib. The first two verses are clear cut but all of a sudden the 3rd verse is only 10 words? F OUTTA HERE with your stupidity!

When did I ever say I liked Right Thurr? Find it. Post it. Better yet, forget it because you won't find it MORON! I said it was aiight. And the only reason I say it's aiight is because I've heard it 5 million times and I've gotten used to it. Shit like "Gimme what you got for a pork chop" may be tight to Chingy fans like yourself, but I thought it was wack. Also, I like Holidae Inn. Ludacris, Snoop, and the beat are flippin flames. I just wasn't impressed by Chingy's mediocre lyrics ("I walked out the bathroom still smiling, blah, blah, wildin, yadda yadda lookin like a island") - like I said, you being a Chingy fan with your high music standards, I'm glad you found a lyricist who "raps about something" and doesn't "write his raps in 10 minutes." Bamma.

I'm glad you were confused about that Japan and Saudi Arabia logic, too. Now you know how I felt when YOU brought it up...

You haven't spit any "truths" about Outkast or Ludacris. You have either spit your opinion or you've spit something wrong. Name me ONE thing you said about Luda that was true and not just your Chingy lovin opinion. And did you even read the two sentences I posted? How in the world can you claim the subject and point were the same? Explain yourself. Unless you're scared and then I would understand...

"Okay I know what "I Can" is about, now explain "Skeet Skeet." - QJS Do you REALLY want me to explain it? Or do you want an avenue to ramble on about this one part of the song that doesn't connect for you? Cause I explained Hey Ya and you still haven't shut up! Ah well, bleep it, "Get Low" (skeet skeet) is about going to the club and tellin the ladies to dance or "get low." Now just because this one line or one part might not follow along doesn't mean that's not what the song is about. I think it's clear; I didn't need to read up on it. How you could listen to the song and miss that, I don't know, but you did, so I explained it to you. So now that you know the point, you probably like it now, right?

Oh, well, now on to Clown #2. Actually, clown #2 doesn't deserve a response. But I reponded to Boob, I guess I can respond to this dickhead who DISSES DA DIRTY but CHOOSES to live here, lol...

"What nerve this guy has for criticizing an aritst for picking his/her singles." - Bestina

LMAO! I say old chap, this strapping young lad hath offended us with his nerve and audacity... LMAO! I see English as a Second Language is going well...

"Half of the duo that lyrically destroyed your favorite rapper..." Let's see, since Mobb Deep got embarrased/clowned/murdered on Hit Em Up and decided to drop the extremely terrible "Leave A Diamond Near Em" or whatever the hell it is, their career went to the toilet. They have dropped the terrible Hell On Earth and Quiet Storm and gotten dissed by Nas and have been completely forgotten about. 2Pac, on the other hand, has been elevated in status and he has continued to get platinum plaques over 7 years since his death. Now Chino XL had no career to begin with, but Mobb Deep did. And it's been destroyed. They were wack anyway, but 2Pac came and put em out their misery. But you and the 10 people who still like Mobb Deep can keep quotin "Put A Ruby By Em" and all their other terrible lyrics... And I couldn't care less if Nas has a preteen daughter. The song still sucks. It's still the worst rap song of all time. Easily. Now if you don't like Luda, I don't care, but FANTASY and STAND UP aren't about the same thing. The former is about sex, the latter about the club. But still, Nas HAS been going against the grain his entire career. We keep expecting classics, and he keeps delivering trash, lol...

I'm out like these two clowns and all their nonsense. Peace!

See arguing with you is moronic because you always post lies! And when you get called about em you always want someone to excuse you or you make up excuses why it wasn't your fault and blah, blah, blah... Peep this, Jack:

"You asked "when did I ever say Right Thurr is a good song?" (When did I ever say you did?)" - QS 12/12/03

I NEVER SAID THAT! This is why you lose credibility and clout. You quote people but they never say what you quote.

"When did I ever say I liked Right Thurr? Find it. Post it. Better yet, forget it because you won't find it MORON!" H3K 12/10/03

What's SAD is that you have to make up quotes to support your already swiss cheese ass arguments. I see that you're an up and coming journalist which is why when you fail to get the real story you make stuff up. One day when you're a seasoned veteran you'll be able to focus on the facts, but right now, a newspaper would NEVER hire you. You're a walking libel case!

Fine, don't argue about Luda. But I got one more thing to say about Jae Hood and Wish and I'll leave them alone as well. It's amusing how you TRY and clown Luda for soundin the same all the time, but then rep niggas like Jae Hood who always have to tell people how nice they are with a gun. Oh no, I better not bleep with Jae Hood cause he'll grab his gun and shoot me! I know this because he's always telling me this. New beat, same topic. That's the only difference between East Coast rap and DA SOUTH. Everybody raps about the same thing, save a few artists here and there. We rap about the club; they rap about the streets. And it seems the streets is all about how you handle a gun. Whoop dee damn doo! You can shoot a gun, Jae Hood. Flippin wow! And as far as Wish Bone??? HA! "Yeah Wish ain't doing nothing now, but that doesn't take away what he brought to the game." - QJS... HA HA HA HA HA HA! What Wish brought to the game??? NEGRO PLEASE! When your ONLY contribution to rap is "Man, I miss my Uncle Charles y'all" and going "Pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop" on No Surrender, you need to find something else in life to claim as accomplishments. LMAO! The sad thing is, I bet it took more than 10 minutes for him to think of saying "pop pop" 10 times.

You're an idiot. You obviously didn't read the sentences. The verbs aren't the same. The verbs aren't even similar. See what I'm sayin? A libel case waitin to happen...

Where does Luda rank on my personal list? I'd say he'd be in the top 15 right now. In your heart, mind, body, and soul you GOTTA be upset that people feel Luda to the tune of 10 million sold and all the rantin and hatin you do in this East Coast biased thread doesn't make you right. (Yeah, there's a bias in here, MORON!)

Well, your incoherent format of posting that last part of Hey Ya confused me and I thought you meant that the last verse was just the part about Beyonce and Lucy Liu. But what do you mean it "may" not be a verse? lol, still can't admit you got bad info and are WRONG, huh? Sad. Just sad.

"I ain't come to talk, I ain't come to sit, what I came for was to find out who I'm gon hit..." - Chingy

LOL, I bet B.I.G. would be jealous of the masterful wordplay and the ill lyrics of one of Qoolout's favorite rappers.

I'm out like Chingy's tight lyrics. Peace!

Now, I'll leave

Ben Welsh, mention rap no mo. Foolout don't wanna see this bro flow... lol

QOOLOUT, YOU CANNOT READ! Are you weeded? Sh*tfaced? Weeded and sh*tfaced? GO back and look at what you said on December 12th regarding me and Right Thurr. Here is what you said WORD FOR WORD:

"You asked "when did I ever say Right Thurr is a good song?" (When did I ever say you did?)" - QS 12/12/03

Lemme break it down for you. QOOLOUT said that HILLIS said "When did I ever say Right Thurr is a good song?" Do you follow MORON? That's what YOU said. You did not get my words right AT ALL. You (as usual) were WRONG. I know you think getting two or three words right keeps the original meaning BUT THAT'S NOT ALWAYS TRUE! As a journalist, you should know this! Do you follow? THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID! I said something different, and I know you got a few (key word: few) words right, but you changed the meaning of what I said! You said that I said something I did not say. Quit quotin me and trying to change my words around! Or at least admit that you don't know what I said and you're just making up quotes. Because that's what you do anyway, so why not put out that disclaimer so I'll quit expecting you to be truthful? I guess "aiight" to you means "like." Why? I dunno. I clearly explained that the only reason I say it's aiight is because I've gotten used to it because I heard it a million times. Still, you like picking out one or two words and ignoring the other 100 I say, so I can see how that confuses YOU. I neither like nor dislike the song. If it comes on I don't have to change the channel, but I certainly don't try and find it. I know you wanna try and find as many people as possible to like your up and coming all star, but I don't. Nothin else to say man, Chingy's wack!

Foolout, you can't just cut out half of my sentences and then try and post them as my argument! I'm so "gung ho" because you just pickin a few words in a sentence and tryin to pass em off as something I said. If I cut out half of your sentences and changed the meaning of your argument, you'd throw a fit! You didn't find anything remotely close. You found some words that matched. The meanings were TOTALLY different. The meanings of the two statements are not remotely close. One is stupid and illogical. The other is valid and well supported. So if you think sentences are remotely close because they have some similar words then that's YOUR dumb ass conclusion. That doesn't make me wrong because your logic makes no sense!

Dude, I don't bring up Wish and Jae Hood cause you diss Luda. I bring up them counterfeit ass rappers because you said it must not take much for me to like a song. Well, I contend that it must not take much for YOU to like a song if you reppin them wack ass niggas! And all them BONE songs you mentioned were tight... but it damn sure wasn't because WISH was on it! Also, in all your rambling about Wish Bone, you didn't notice you made a huge error. WISH BONE ISN'T EVEN ON "FOE DA LUV OF $!" LMAOWMXA! Wish doesn't spit ONE verse, JACKASS! The constant in all those other songs is that the OTHER members of BONE were in it. Wish was just they lame ass homie they put on the other tight songs cause they felt sorry for his wack rhymin ass...

You're a joke! Are you seriously whining cause I said Chingy was one of your favorite rappers? (I never said he was your favorite - I challenge you to find it ASS) I thought it was obvious I was being sarcastic, kind of like when you said Right Thurr was one of my favorites or I just fell in love with Get Low when I heard him say Aw skeet skeet. But you missed it. So now YOU admit you lied when you said Right Thurr is one of my favorites. Admit you LIED when you said I fell in love with Aw skeet skeet. Lyin ass bamma.

Still on Hey Ya? Now it doesn't have a point because of the ad libbing? lol You're pathetic. You still can't admit you were wrong? I thought I was the one who was supposed to have trouble with that? lol I guess My First Song on The Black Album has no point because of all the shout outs Jay does at the end. The shout outs are longer than the verses! I think it clearly has a point, but to you it must not. And if you're wondering why I brought up My First Song, it's because it is an EXAMPLE used to illustrate my point!

You can get a job at magazine and newspaper. I'm sorry, I didn't know the Qlown Qollege Register counted... lol

I'll break down your list of artists vs. Luda like so...

Pac (Pac is better)
Biggie (Biggie is better)
Jada (Tie. Although Jada has more potential, I'm gonna need him to stop bein so fire on everybody else's stuff and all his albums being pure doo doo)
Nas (I like Luda more, but Nas has done more and has more respect so I'll give it to Nas)
Jay (I like em the same but again Jay has done more, so I'll give it to Jay)
Em (Eminem is better)
Lauryn (I assume you mean Lauryn Hill. Anyway, Lauryn has ONE fire ass album, but ain't done nothin since. Luda is better)
Scarface (I like Luda more, but just like Nas, Scarface is deep in the game, so Face is better)
Cam (Flip outta here! Cam'ron? And you say Luda has no point? Do you ever listen to Cam'ron? Good grief! That slow ass, same sound, unconnected rhyme style can be amusing at times, but don't mistake it for being tight! Luda is better)
LL (LL Cool J? I see this is the point where your list gets wack. LL ain't been good since 1989. Luda is clearly better)
Eve (What do you think?)
50 (Like Lauryn Hill, one fire album doesn't make him better. And you supposedly don't like 50. I say tie)
DMX (Tie. If based on It's Dark, DMX is ten times better, but I can't ignore Depression and all his other garbage)
Kanye West (Flip outta here. Someone is reaching. Kanye West is average at best. Luda is better)
Joe B (Luda. Joe Budden is on Kanye West's level)
Beans (Tie. I used to say Beans was better than Jay, but it's been a while since he came with the fire)
Bleek (Ok, this why it must not take much for you to like a song. Memphis Bleek sucks. Ludacris is 100 times better than Bleek. Name 5 good Bleek songs that don't have Jay spittin flames on them. Actually don't even waste your time. Memphis Bleek? What the flip ever...)

"Bamma I only listen to his verse if I'm a passenger in the BACK seat. Otherwise I turn before he can even say, "Stop drop ka-boom." ROTMuthaflippinFLMMuthaflippinAOWMXMuthaflippinA!!!!!! Now THAT'S some funny ish...

I'm out like Stop, drop, ka-boom. Peace!

First and foremost....LAUGH MY FUCKING ASS OFF(yeah, it has to be written out for this garbage) at this dude picking Nas, Jay, and Face over that homo ONLY because of longevity. From the above typed trash, your hip hop/rap credibility is non existent. Also, please let me know HOW in the hell is saying "don't one of you niggaz got sickle cell or something...fuck around with me and have a seizure" EMBARRASS/CLOWN/OR MURDER anyone?...especailly coming from that homo thug...aiyo whiteboy(didn't think I forget now did you?) remove 2 Wack's deceased scrotum from your tonsils...PLEASE!!

I'm gone or out like this dude "saying"/typing the word "flames" and being from Tennessee...get the hell outta here flunkie

Shouldn't you be off somewhere postin how Nas and Kelis shit all over Jay-Z and Beyonce? lol "Jay-Z kick that thug shit, but with Beyonce on that Crazy In Love shit..." Ya kockblowin kanedropper - did you think I'd forget your dad works for semen? Anyway, I just want to let you know that your hip hop credibilty gets stronger everytime you rep Mobb Deep and Chino over 2Pac. ASS. Ok, let's be honest. Ludacris actually has a career. He has fans. You know, people that actually buy his music, and would pay to see him? He'd have a huge turnout if he did a concert. Mobb Deep? Come on, now. You and 3 other sorry ass niggas MIGHT show up to hear their 4 good songs. And I'm sure you'd be screamin for "Throw A Pearl To Em." But let's see, them niggas careers are over. They BEEN over. Now there are two possible explanations - either they just fuckin sucked or Pac murdered them. Personally, I think it's all of the above, but hey, that's just me. But you take your pick. You obviously don't think Pac murdered them so they must just fuckin suck! And why you keep swearin up and down that lame ass diss was any good is beyond me. They ain't even say his name! Homos. Hell, even Nas danced all over Prodigy's corpse - and no one really cared anyway. Well, at least YOU still pay the dead your respects...

Did you seriously just call me a "flunkie?" And you're right: niggas from DA SOUTH would never use the GAY (extreme emphasis on the word GAY) ass term "flames." I only use it on this thread. Looks like someone still can't tell when he's the butt of a joke, lol

But you ain't even the reason I was on here to post. Blame it on Ben Welsh and a drunken stupor while I drop ole boy like King Koopa...

"Uh, uh, uh, you ain't no real debater; it's gettin harder to pretend/with ya retarded ass arguments that's hard to comprehend//incoherent, illogical, irrational, irrelevant//but that's you, not me, I post with top notch intelligence//I see through your weak points like fake boobs on Pamela Lee/you ain't no journalist; you an up and coming bamma to me//made up quotes expose your well thought out lies/so it's too easy to see your impending demise//save your falsehood talk, I deal with the truth like Christians/"Integrity" is clearly a class that you missed, man//I know you won't be able to handle the flippin flames I'm firin/don't get mad - The New York Times is hirin//they got space for lying journalists so you'll fit right in/you can ride to work on a little school bus with the other "Can't Get Right" men//argument wise, you a Ho J Simpleton, a Johnnie Little Cockman/in the Dow Jones of debate, you're an unstable stock, man..."

Whoa.

Al Michaels: Wow! Hillis just embarassed Qoolout, John.
John Madden: You see, Al, I don't know why Qool would challenge Hillis. You'd have to file that decision under stupid.
Al: Wait, John, what is Hillis doing?
John: Well, he's fumblin around by his computer...
Al: John, I think he just pulled out a cell phone!
John: What?
Al: Yeah, he's making a call on his cell phone!
John: Well, there's somethin you don't see everyday! First, Hillis murks him on the mic. And then BOOM! He whips out the cell phone and calls people to let him know that he murked him.
Al: He should probably expect a heavy fine from the thread for excessive celebration.
John Madden: Well, yeah, first Hillis murks him. And then WHAP! He gets hit with a fine. But let's talk about the real issue here, Al. Hillis is on his way to the Lyrical Playoffs and Debate Bowl. But it's displays like that by Qoolout that help you see why he's 4 - 6.

I'm out like fines on Chad Johnson and Joe Horn. Peace!

And another thing.................................................................................................... sorry ass Redskins.

I'm out like Dallas with a W from FedEx. Peace!

When I went to www.Iwannareadsomeraps.com, nothing happened! What's the deal? lol

Watch closely. Pay attention. You're about to have your dumb ass argument flipped on you. YOU (not me, YOU) claim that since I don't change the station when Right Thurr comes on, I must like Right Thurr. This is what YOU claim. Now, watch this. You CLAIM to not like Sean Paul. You also CLAIM that when Beyonce's Baby Boy comes on, you suffer through Sean Paul's part to hear Beyonce. Now this contradicts your theory. So you must like Sean Paul's part on Baby Boy since you don't change the station when it's on. And don't gimme that bull that you suffer through him to hear Beyonce, because you clearly stated that you'll change the station on someone you don't like quicker than one can say "Stop, drop, ka-boom." Damn. That was TOO easy!

5 good Luda verses? Easy! Made You Look remix, his verse on We Got (which features your boy Chingy), his verse on Gossip Folks, his verses on Saturday, his verse on Growing Pains, his verse on Freaky Thangs his verse on Break Somethin, his second verse on the intro to Word of Mouf, his verse on the intro to Chicken and Beer, his verse on - ah, fuck it. Any verse he spits is better than Memphis flippin Bleek. That nigga sucks. His two best songs are "Is That Yo Chick?" and "Hey Papi" which are ORIGINALLY solo cuts by Jay. And fortunately for Bleek, the beats were done by Timbaland so it didn't matter how terrible his flow was/is. Now, you explain to me what songs or verses you heard that made you put Memphis sorry ass Bleek on that list of people supposedly better than Luda?

No, that Busta and Pharrell song is weak and I wouldn't be caught dead with Wackpot. And just to let you know how stupid you can sound, check out your review of Chingy. You said you only heard 2 of his songs. You said he be flowin on one, but you didn't like the other. You like 50% of what you've heard by Chingy, but you say he's wack. You tryin to clown somebody if they buy Jackpot but you like half of what you heard by the nigga. What kind of shit is that?!

I think both Outkast members are better than Luda. I think Luda is better than F-A-B-O. I think Luda and Snoop are tied because Snoop has the longevity, but he had one fire album when he first came out and pretty much he's been like a token guest for today's rappers because of his success in 1993.

Sigh. You're just a reflection of the no talent teams you rep.

I'm out like www.Iamoutlike.com. Peace!

Qool, it's been a while since we've had one of these, but we may be on the verge of slowin down and havin a real convo. Well, actually, you gotta spare me this one part about Baby Boy... Now, you said earlier, "I agree sometimes you gotta suffer through the storm. Baby Boy is a song that proves it, because now I can at least tolerate it..." on 10/25/03 But now, you only watch the video and change the station. Well, Qoolout, I'm not gonna say you have to have it one way or another. I'll give you some leeway. Things change. True? You probably didn't like the song simply because Sean Paul was messin it up and you probably didn't get to fully appreciate Beyonce's fireness. But then you saw Beyonce's super fine ass in the video and found a reason to listen to the whole song, and you realized that Beyonce's part is fire. So then you could tolerate it. Now maybe Sean Paul's wackness has crept in, so now you don't only listen, you wanna watch the video. Who knows? But it ain't that serious. It ain't that serious with me and Right Thurr, either. I didn't like it when it first came out, but there were times when I heard it and I couldn't change the channel, or it'd be too convenient to run out of the club. So I learned to tolerate it. So now I'm immune to it. Ya feel me, kid?

Timbo and Bleek are two different kinds of wack. Tim has goofy, terrible lyrics, and his style just makes me laugh and say, "Did a 10 year old write this?" So I can tolerate his because he has ACKNOWLEDGED he can't rap and I don't take his lyrics seriously. Memphis Bleek is wack because he tries at that whole lyrical thing. I know he wrote it, and I don't believe or feel him. He sucks. He's not at all amusing. I thought he was wack on Coming of Age 2. Of course, I think the whole song is wack, so I guess that ain't all Bleek's fault. But it seems like ANY song with Bleek I like has NOTHING to do with Bleek. It's usually cause Jay spits flames (i.e. "Mind Right Rmx" "Change The Game" "Is That Yo Chick" "Hey Papi").

Luda's point on Gossip Folks is about his small start and now his big finish and how well he's doin now. But I will give you that the verses sometimes go off on a tangent, but I like the way he was flowin. So I'll say it has a point, but I will admit not every line follows it. As far as his non radio songs, I would find it hard for you to give them a chance even though they are more hardcore than his radio stuff - like most rappers.

Why is it that Chad Johnson and Joe Horn get fined for excessive celebration, but Matt Millen can call cats FAGGOT numerous times in public and nobody cares? I mean, am I the only one who sees the social implications? They're always penalizing the young Black men for these celebrations. David Carr and his linemen did a fake cell phone and Carr did a throat slash to let the crowd know they wasn't about to pull out no cell phones - STILL, Chad Johnson did the same throat slash to let them know he wasn't going to take his helmet off a month ago and he got flagged and fined. There's some social implications here that we need to discuss and underlying racism and ageism that's threatinging to hurt the league. Care to discuss?

Well, at least I don't like half of Chingy's hits like you.

Jay Kid, you can answer that question by Qool at www. responseforaskingthatGreenlandquestion.com, HA!

I'm out like excessive celebrations. Peace!

I still don't think Kanye West is any good, but more lines like that and I might have to give him some props. That junk had me ROLLIN!

Anyway, H*WOOD, I see where Carr and his boy gon get fined, so I guess I ain't mad about that no more - even though it's wack that they got fined PRETENDING to look for a cell phone. What the flip's up with that? But Hollywood, I think the bias is there SOLELY because only black people do it. Younger ones to be exact. I think the league sees players like Johnson and Owens as young thugs who are all about self and showing up their opponents. They don't try to see WHY they feel the need to celebrate. Personally, I think all of our prevalent role models are the comedians, rappers, ball players, and the cliched orators of the civil rights and slave eras (MLK, Tubamn, Malcolm, Turner, DuBois, Booker T, etc). Except for the orators, all the comedians and ball players and rappers brought/bring attention to themselves. When you grow up and your self worth is diminished in relation to your upper class/White counterparts, it's only natural to want the world to recognize you are somebody once you realize your worth has risen simply because you can score TDs. Combine that with the loud/boistrous/standout role models we already have and everybody ain't gon be like Barry and Jerry. We gon have more Sapps and Mosses and Owenses. And ultimately, we gon want the spotlight more often than not. But the ultra conservative people who dominate the rules committee can't see past the spectacle of not just spiking the ball or handing it to a ref and wanna fine for no real reason and inhibit expression. Take the Sharpie incident. Terrell Owens didn't disrespect Shawn Springs by signing that ball. He didn't sign it and give it Springs or spike it in his face or even sling in the Seattle crowd. He signed it and gave it to an OWENS fan. That's why the league ain't fine him. But you know they was livid. Now anymore "foreign objects" get you fined. Bull ish! Chad Johnson was fined for having a sign. They was just tryin to set an example with him because he didn't disrespect the other team, it wasn't excessive, and only the league comes across looking petty. Taking off your helmet is not excessive or disrespectful. Shooting an imaginary gun at your teammates is not excessive or disrespectful. The throat slash gesture is not excessive or disrespectful. And the cell phone? The only problem I had with it was that he took too flippin long. It wasn't smooth. All that fumblin around was time consuming, so he deserved a flag for a possible delay of game, but all this other nonsense was irrelevant. Even the Giants ain't care. Strahan said it was lame, but he ain't say he was disrespected. Other Giants said he was just havin fun. And I think it was Amani Toomer who said they had other things to worry about. So the league really doesn't care if other teams feel disrespected or if it really is excessive. They just don't like these young Black men calling attention to themselves and promoting themselves over the NFL.

I don't care if Millen gets fined or not. But they ain't said nothin. They haven't done anything. Maybe behind the scenes they bought to lay the smack down. Still, they should expose Millen to the ridicule that Horn and Johnson have to suffer.

I'm out like dark skinned Michael Jackson. Peace!

Tim and Bleek are different, yes. But seriously, who is the better rapper? And being bad at rap, but still trying to rap, ain't qool with me. If you admit you can't flow, THEN DON'T FLOW. As for Bleek, I'm not saying cuz is one of the best out, which he ain't. I'm just saying, TO ME he is not terrible. Yes, I think he is better than Luda, but no he ain't Nas or Jay. Also, my original point, aside that he is better than Luda, was that I agree that Tim helps him, but for it to be an "okay song" he has to be somewhat good, right? Forgive me for repeating, but I must say it again: If Timbo's beats were all that fire, to the point where it doesn't matter what you say, he'd sound halfway tight when he spit on em. As far as Bleek's songs only being flames when he's with Jay, I don't really agree that Jay is the actual reason, but I know exactly how you feel. Case and point, my favorite rapper alive. Before and after Jada's solo album dropped, I was reppin' him but also saying (aside from singles) he never really brings it unless it is someone else's joint, or if he is a guest. Even on a mix tape, I really don't consider that HIS, I consider that the DJ's or whoever's. But with Mya, Mariah, Nas, The Pied Piper (lol) just about everybody but J.Lo, he brought it, but on his own CD, it's only like 3 maybe 4 hot tracks. So I know how you feel. Oh yeah, completely off the point, give Kanye West his props. "Through the Wire" ain't nothing but FIRE. That joint is hot, don't fake. Do not fake.

H-Wood what up? You know you got Vick to sign your hat. LOL, naw, I'm just messing with ya. But about that excessive TD celebrations bull. That is some nonsense. I think you should be able to celebrate how ever you want. As long as you ain't giving the crowd the finger or mooning bammas, or doing that terrible remake of the Beyonce' dance that Sapp did, I say let them do it. And H-Wood, I think it is racist for the sole reason that you said it ain't: ONLY BLACKS DO IT. So yeah, who are you trying to keep from doing it? Blacks. Just like the doo rag rule. I heard this on the radio a few weeks ago and I agreed. They made a rule saying no one can wear anything under their helmet. Why? Because gang bangers wear them. I remember when they first made the rule, but I didn't look at it like I do now, however I did think it was stupid. Back then, most of the peeps wearing them were black players. They play in the NFL, but whites run it. They make all the rules, not those who play in it and make it what it is. So you have a bunch of rich white men, calling the shots to the blacks. It's nonsense. They can't wear them now, it the real reason is "Because I said so" and that's what most of the rules follow. I'm not sure who started the lil joke, but somebody said the NFL is short for "The No Fun League." And that's what it's becoming. You should be able to trash talk all day long, but now you get fined for that. That's bull. Plus they don't even police it fair. Ray Lewis would be bringing home about 90 bucks on his check if they really fined everybody the same way. Did y'all see in some game this week, cuz scored a TD and then pitched the ball back to dude chasing him (after he scored of course)? I was cracking up. But then they give the other team 15 yards because it ain't sportsmanlike. It ain't sportsmanlike to be able to sign a team's vet player because you got the cap room and they don't but that goes on every year. The NFL doesn't even try to hide the double talk. Hillis, I'm not sure if Shockey should be fined for speaking his mind OFF THE FIELD. I've heard about the incident a 100 times, but I think it was off the field, but correct me if I'm wrong. Anyway, I think they need to get rid of fining players and coaches for speaking their mind. Maybe Shockey is an exception, because his commet was about Parcell's sexual peferance and it ain't no need for that to even be a topic. So yeah, fine him. But when people say stuff like, "The refs helped us lose that game," or "The ref made a bad call" they get a fine and that ain't even fair. For one, it's how the person feels. Why does he need to bite his tongue, if that's what he believes? For two, 99% of the time it's the truth. The refs make terrible, dumb, almost unforgivable calls all year long (basketball and football) and if a coach or a player says anything about it, he gets money taken from him. That ain't right.

Aiyo, Qool, check it, I agree with a lot of what you said; however, I didn't know if you saw the other side of it on the part about the refs and speaking your mind off the field.

A lot of people don't understand that reffing is hard. You could make 100 calls in a game and if all 100 aren't right, you've f'ed up for the day. Talk about perfection! These cats also have other jobs, so it's not like they focus solely on reffing. But back to the main point: reffing is not at all a highly rewarding experience outside of the money. You got players, fans, and coaches yelling at you and calling you and your mother everything but your names for 3 hours. And I guarantee only about 3% of the people who get on these refs could do a better job or even match what they do. So if you just let players and coaches vent their frustration about one or two bad calls - when those same refs probably still got 95% of the game right - it'll probably piss those refs off when they come up against those same people. They're human; they watch the news. And if it doesn't piss them off, it'll scare them into making more calls for them and that isn't fair to their opponents. I think the league allows coaches to question what refs do WITHOUT belittling them in public. No one wants to give em props on a tough call they got right, or explain that NFL and NBA speeds are a lot faster than your average backyard game where it may be easy to make the right call. And think about it; how many times have you been playin ball and argued over a call when you were callin your own games? And that's just on out of bounds, travels, or fouls! Add all them other rules that you gotta watch for and a game to 15 might take 3 hours. So yeah, they may be just speaking their minds, but I think it's unfair to the refs to let them be blasted by players about a bad call, without any fair way to defend themselves.

When Rocker said all his comments, I personally felt like I didn't care and that he shouldn't be bothered/fined/or whatever. And I didn't care if Shockey called Parcells a homo. I don't even care that Millen called Morton a faggot. BUT, if they gon fine all these young black players for crap like too long towels, orange shoes, and callin on phones when they score a TD, there's NO WAY that racist and homophobic comments should go unpunished. That's some double talk. And H*WOOD, I don't know if you know, but Millen is coming back for another year.

Dude, Bleek is wack. I can forgive Timbo because I know he can't rap, he admits it, so I don't exepect any fire from him. Bleek says he can rap. So I expect fire from him, and he sucks. And why shouldn't someone put out albums just because they aren't the best at rappin? So I guess you shouldn't be allowed to play Madden cause you suck! lol If Timbo wants to put in his time and effort, he should be able to rap. And I disagree with you about Timbo's beats not being that good cause he supposedly can't make an album with just him on it. Luv 2 Luv Ya, Clock Strikes, Up Jumps Da Boogie are all flippin flames and Tim's Bio is a solid album, too. But at any rate, it would be naive to think that all of Tim's beat on one of his albums would be flames enough to overcome 15 or 16 sorry Timbo verses. But for the MOST part, the beat can overshadow Tim's terrible lyrics. And as far as Bleek on a Timbo beat, or a hot beat in general, I want to reiterate that Bleek's sorry ass adds NOTHING to Hey Papi and Is That Your Chick and his weak ass flow fortunately can't take away from the fire azz beat or Jay spittin flippin flames.

Last, but not least, I finally know ALL the lyrics to Hip Hop Star (Beyonce and Outkast's song) and I think just because you couldn't understand them, or didn't get the metaphors, you say it doesn't have a point. Or maybe one line or two didn't connect so therefore, you think you can dismiss the song as having no point. Why do you do this? I have no idea. But the song is CLEARLY about sex. Beyonce's verses are CLEARLY about sex and love making. CLEARLY. And Big Boi and Sleepy follow suit with their parts. Now you MIGHT be able to come back and post ONE line where he says somethin unrelated, but 90% of his two verses are about his ability to spit game and have sex. It may not be clear to you, but I think it'd be clear after realizing the lyrics. So again, as usual, you were wrong.

I'm out like referees. Peace!

First of all, I'm not wrong. I agree with you that the players shouldn't be fined. I just think they shouldn't be allowed to infer that one bad call or even two or three cost them a game. I don't disagree with you that the refs could have their own interview session, but I don't think it would go any way like you seem to think it would. All it would be was a finger pointing ridicule seesion about how they screwed up, which is clearly not fair. Besides, what would be the point? If they got it wrong, they got it wrong and all they could do was apologize, which is what the league does anyway. So I see your point, but it's more idealistic than realistic. If James the umpire made a bad call, then go ahead and say, "That was a bad call." But the refs NEVER cost a team an entire game - ESPECIALLY on one call! That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard! Case in point #1 - Seattle was up 41-24 on Baltimore in the fourth quarter in a game earlier this year. Now AFTER SEATTLE BLEW A 14 PT LEAD, the refs F'ed up and gave Baltimore a little extra time to kick a field goal to send it in to OT, where they eventually won. But Mike Holmgren didn't blame the refs, and no one said the refs screwed them. BECAUSE THEY BLEW A 14 PT LEAD IN THE 4th QUARTER! Case in point #2 - New York lost to San Francisco in the playoffs last year because the refs missed a pass intereference call that would have offset an illegal man downfield call that cost the Giants a shot another field goal that they had just botched. Now, the league admitted that a pass interference call should have been made. BUT THE GIANTS LOST BECAUSE THEY BLEW A HUGE 24 PT LEAD! Case in point #3 - In the NBA Playoffs last year, the Lakers and T-Wolves played in probably the worst officiated game I've ever seen. There were two calls against Wally Zer-bee-ack where he didn't touch Kobe or Jannero Pargo and he got called for fouls. I mean, Zer bee ack clearly avoided both players and the replays showed it wasn't even close, but he was called for fouls in a close game. BUT MINNESOTA WON ANYWAY! They overcame the bad calls AND KG fouling out in OT AND WON ANYWAY!

If you think that refs should get every call right then you're an idiot and you should be kicked out of the NFL or NBA. There's a never a point in life PERIOD where every detail is called correctly, so why should it be different in sports and refereeing? Instead of pointing at ONE bad call and saying that cost you a game, why don't you go back and look at the missed tackles, missed blocking assignments, blown coverages, turnovers, offsides, holdings, and all the other mistakes the TEAM made and work on those so it doesn't get to a point where it SEEMS as if the game is decided on ONE ref's call?! I totally agree that if LaVar goes, "I was held on that game winning TD. I would have sacked Tom Brady if he hadn't held me. The refs missed that" and he was clearly held, then that's no problem. He's speaking the truth. But if LaVar says, "I was held on that game winning TD. These refs cost us the game by not callin that! I woulda sacked Brady" then he SHOULD be fined for that stupid ass assessment and for flat out blaming the refs for something they didn't do.

Sometimes I wonder what goes on inside your head. So if Beyonce came up to you and was like "Are you infatuated with me? I could end your curiosity. If you don't think I'm to prude, here's your chance to make your move" then I guess you think she's talking about discussing DC politics? LMAO! Flip outta here! I guess if she said, "I dare you to undress" you'd take your clothes off in preparation to talk about George Bush's economic policies? Come on now, Qool. Just cause you don't like a song, don't start making up things about it. And what part of Big Boi's verse has nothing to do with the song?

Your analogies are understandable, but they're irrelevant. Timbo isn't asking anybody to hire him as a rapper even though he can't rap. He has his OWN label, he produces his OWN songs, and he makes his OWN profits. He puts his albums out there and if you don't like em, fine. That's your opinion. But SOMEBODY buys em, so why should he stop? Some people can't sing; should they therefore NEVER sing? No! Some people enjoy it even though they're bad at it. Just like sports and other hobbies. And even still, I probably don't got no business callin up the Bulls tryin to hoop or the Washington Post if I wanna write when I admittedly got no skills, but what if they say "Sure, we'll hire you!" Then is that my fault? Anyway, back to Bleek. That "Is Your Chick" beat was flippin flames. And those sorry lyrics you made up wouldn't take away from that. As I do with Bleek NOW, I would just ignore his terrible lyrics and focus on Timbo's beat. As far as Jay-Z holdin other Roc members back, that's pure nonsense. His presence has helped. Beans is good on his own, but Jay-Z being there has definitely helped him in the process. And Bleek? Shit, Jay-Z is the only reason anyone knows he's alive.

If your owner wasn't a jackass, he might keep a coach. Maybe he should sit down with Jerry Jones and learn how to get a proven coach and stay out of the way. These Redskinnies...

I'm out like Champ Bailey. Peace!

Hmmmmm... well allow me to retort...

"I didn't see that game, just the highlights, but from my understanding, they blew the lead, but if the refs would have called it correctly, they still would have won... what they should have done was say, "we messed it up, we looked at the tape and the Seahawks get the W." - QS 1/4/04

That's the most idiotic thing I've ever heard! It's obvious you don't know what's goin on with the game - since you even said it. First of all, that mistake DID NOT cost the Seahawks the game. If the refs had got it right, all it would have done was force B'More to call their last timeout and it would have been harder for them to get in FG position. And they still could have done it. So, as usual, you're wrong. B'More still could have won. So why take a much needed W from B'More when they had a legitimate chance of winning, with or without the call?! ESPECIALLY when the Seahawks could have made sure it never got to that point?! I suggest you get an idea of what you're talking about before you make stupid ass assessments like that one!

"...but afterwards, when it was on the news and ESPN, you telling me that they ain't say it was the refs?" - QS 1/4/04

That's exactly what I'm telling you.

"But it is possible to review the bad calls and correct them, if you don't believe this you are an idiot." QS 1/4/04

No, YOU'RE the idiot for thinking anybody wants to watch a six or seven hour football game because they're gonna review EVERY "bad" call. A "bad" call is all in the eye of the beholder. I think the fans of the Skins and Cowboys might watch one "bad" call and have two TOTALLY different views of the "bad" call. Take your example at the beginnning of your post. What if it was Champ Bailey puttin the clamps on Derrick Mason? I'm sure you'd be ready to put a slug in that ref, but I'd be ready to take a slug for that ref, lol. We'd probably argue for weeks about that "bad" call. The point is, if every coach had the opportunity to review EVERY call, the game would be unwatchable! It would be long and no one would ever agree and all the great plays that happen in football would take a backseat to the 30 or 40 calls they reviewed. And those "bad" calls might be reversed and what if the other coach still disagrees? What then? Can he have it reviewed another time? Sometimes you amaze me with your inability to see the OTHER side of a situation!

"Moving on (somewhat) there are points in life where every detail is called correctly, so you are wrong right there." QS 1/4/04

Examples?

"Also, what up with the no reviewable calls? Every single call should be reviewable." - QS 1/4/04

I disagree. Pass interference and holdings are judgement calls. A ref can watch it a million times at a million angles and he still may make the same judgement, even if the coach or other officials disagree. Why waste time disputing one man's definition of PI or holding, when he's only gonna change his mind once out of every 30 or 40 times anyway? I mean, I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying I think it would hurt the game of football in general more than it would help it.

"How can you say players shouldn't infer that a given play caused them to lose? You have to know that one bad play can end it. You gotta know this." - QS 1/4/04

You have got SIXTY MINUTES that go into deciding a football game. SIXTY MINUTES! Bad play calling by the coordinators, bad defenses, missed blocking assignments, blown coverages, dropped passes, dropped INTs, turnovers, incomplete and off target passes, "bad" calls, CORRECT calls, GOOD blocks, GREAT reads, GREAT play calls, GREAT coverage, picking up blitzes, accidentally slipping, the weather, missed FGs, made FGs, TDs, XPs, 3 and outs, etcetera, etcetera... If you honestly in your heart think ONE bad call out of SIXTY MINUTES of football decides an ENTIRE game (ONE CALL?!), then I have a hard time believing you actually PLAYED football. Honestly! Let's go back to your example. What if the exact same "bad" call was made and my team was down 30? If we get on the one and score and time runs out do we win?! ABSOLUTELY NOT! It's clear that for that call to even be a factor that there had to be FIFTY NINE MINUTES AND FIFTY NINE SECONDS OF FOOTBALL for the game to even get to that point! And in that FIFTY NINE MINUTES AND FIFTY NINE SECONDS OF FOOTBALL each team probably had NUMEROUS CHANCES to keep the game from being decided on a PI call in the end zone! So if ONE BAD CALL really did decide an ENTIRE game of football, then it wouldn't matter if the score was tied or if it was a blowout! MORON!

"For the love of the man upstairs, you said Jada was tied with Luda. You said Luda was better than Lauryn Hill and tied with DMX. You said two sentence weren't remotely close when anybody would tell you otherwise. You even act like "Hey Ya" is about something, EVEN after we broke it down, ab libs and all." - QS 1/4/04

That's my opinion. I can't believe you're saying I'm LYING about my own opinion! As I said before, Jada/Lox albums all SUCK! You even admitted his flaw of bein fire on everybody else's stuff and his stuff is lame. So tell him to quit bein fire on collabos and come with his OWN goods and then I'd say he's better than Luda! And what have DMX and Lauryn Hill done since their debut albums?! ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! And as far as Hey Ya goes, it has a point as I have posted numerous times. You're wrong. The artist even tells us the point and you're still runnin your dicksucker! Why can't you admit it has a point? I'd post it again, but you'd conveniently ignore it, just like you conveniently ignore the song's VERSES (not made up Qoolout verses), and go ramblin on about when he was talkin to the crowd and his band, so why do you even bring it up?

Those sentences aren't remotely close. Again, just cause a sentence has the same words, doesn't mean the point is the same. I clearly demonstrated that with other examples. Why you ignore them is a demon you'll have to face. And it's funny how you bring up Pharrell, even when he contradicts your wack ass rule! lol Pharrell knows he can't sing, but he does it anyway. It's his decision; who are YOU to tell him he can't sing? Not everybody follows your wack ass rules of life. I said that I agree that one shouldn't call up the Bulls or Post if they admittedly can't hoop or write (you must have missed that like you normally miss everything else). BUT TIMBO AND PHARRELL AREN'T DOING THAT! Pharrell and Timbo aren't calling Rap-A-Lot, Bad Boy, Def Jam, Rocafella, etc. and going "We can't rap/sing, sign us up!" Timbo and For Real/Pharrell are making their OWN stuff on their OWN dime they get from all the tight beats they produce. If I take my hard earned money and produce an dstribute an R&B album when I know I can't sing, then that's MY decision and I'm not bringing anybody down with me!

As far as Jones saying that about gettin a QB, I doubt he said that as a final word. He's probably saying that to back up Quincy Carter and give him some confidence or keep from calling him out in the public. Check back after the trade and sign deadlines, then we'll see. Parcells will get what he wants from Jones, trust me. And even if they don't get a QB, the fact that the Cowboys sucked on O is probably only 20% Quincy Smith/Carter's fault. They had ZERO running game and Carter is not Manning or should I say, Joe Theismann or Mark Rypien? They need to address that ground game before they address gettin a veteran QB.

In all honesty, your Skins are in good shape. If they keep Champ, your D will still be fire. You'll get Ramsey back, you still got a decent O line. Like the Cowboys, all you need is a running game and y'all might be playoff bound. Be glad Spurrier is gone. He wasn't going to adjust to the NFL soon enough. Next year, their coach will emphasize the run more than Spurrier would have. He traded Stephen Davis like a dummy. Unlike college, where teams like Vandy and Duke are always on the schedule to boost your teams confidence when you win 55-3, the NFL ain't like that. The worst team has a good chance of upsetting the best team because the gap isn't as wide. But Spurrier didn't feel like putting in the work it took to succeed in the NFL, so it's best he left. Snyder will go out and get a proven coach who knows what it takes and if not next year, the Skins probably should be in the playoffs in the 05/06 season - barring any terrible trades or key player leaving.

If this split national championship ain't some nonsense...

I'm out like split national champions. Peace.

And by the way, if you can't recognize what Beyonce is talkin about in that song by how she's singing and what she says, then I am 100% sure you two will never get married. I mean, you realistically had a chance because who knows what would happen if y'all actually met. But I now see if y'all met, it wouldn't do you no good. Now if she came up to me spittin all that, I'd be on that ass faster than Steve Spurrier on a plane out of DC! Whoa. That's pretty fast. I mean, damn, son, she'd go "Undress me, undress me, undress me" and you'd be like "What for? I'm not sure what you're talking about. Can you clarify?" LMAO!

You flunkie.

I'm out like Beyonce would be after Qool couldn't recognize the signs. Peace!

His name was Kunta, dumb ass.

"I already stated that I ain't see the game, so why is my statement the most idiotic thing you've heard?" - QS 1/6/04

For you to make the statement that the league should reverse the W and give it to the Seahawks when you don't know what actually happened is a pretty idiotic thing to do. First of all, that call did NOT cost the Seahawks the game. Had they got the call right, B'More probably would have used their last TO to stop the clock. It would have made it harder for them to get into FG position, but that doesn't mean it couldn't have been done! It might have forced them into a Hail Mary that could have been caught, just like in the Zona/Vikings game. B'More still would have had a decent chance, so to take the win from em because the refs made a mistake would assume a lot against B'More which wouldn't be fair at all! Plus, the league didn't say the refs cost the Seahawks the game; they said the refs made a mistake that hurt the Seahawks. It hurt them, BUT THEY STILL HAD A CHANCE TO WIN! Plus, I NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER said the mistake was cool. You won't find anything REMOTELY close to that. All I said was it didn't cost the Seahawks the game. And I've NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER said we should settle for bad officiating. When did I say anything remotely close to that? Of course, I feel there's room for improvement. My stance has been, and will continue to be, that referees do NOT cost a team a game on ONE bad call. Maybe - MAYBE - on several bad calls, but ONE? That's asinine!

"Fool, PI is clear cut. You can bump 5 yards off the line or so and you can make some contact when going for the ball." - QS 1/6/04

Ok, peep this, Jack. Have you ever watched a game and there's an incomplete pass near the receiver and there's some contact and the receiver gets up begging for a flag and the ref throws it and the DB goes nuts cause he disagrees? You and I know the rulebook definition of PI, but that doesn't mean every PI call or non call is that clear cut. Why do you think receivers and DBs often disagree over it? And your definition is extremely vague. You can make A TON of contact if the ball is uncatchable or tipped. You can't make ANY contact if you don't turn your head and make a play on the ball. And all those are JUDGEMENT calls. I understand that some PI calls or non calls are blatantly wrong SOMETIMES, but you can't just review the blatanly wrong and ignore the not so blatant ones. The point of replay is not to get EVERY call right. Again, if it was, no one would watch these six and seven hour football games. It's purpose is to give coaches an opportunity to question a call they feel might adversely affect the outcome of a game. But still, you mean to tell me you ain't never seen a PI call that could go either way? You ain't NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER seen a PI call or non call that wasn't clear cut? Honestly? Honestly, Qool? Even after a replay? You really believe PI is ALWAYS clear cut? Always, Qool? Honestly? Honestly?

"Moving on (somewhat) there are points in life where every detail is called correctly, so you are wrong right there." QS 1/4/04

That childish example with God ain't gonna cut it. God isn't on the field refereeing the game. HUMANS are! We're talking about flawed HUMANS calling a football game. Do you hold the refs up to God's standards? Since God is perfect, the refs must call football games perfect? Did you seriously post that nonsense about God?! That's your example?! A perfect NON HUMAN?! Ok, can you give me an example considering the HUMAN element of imperfection where every detail is called correctly?

"Moving on, how do you know what a team said when the cameras weren't there? That's right, you don't. More lies." - QS 1/6/04

I didn't know you were referring to the locker rooms and off camera. You said "Maybe at the time they ain't know, but afterwards, when it was on the news and ESPN, you telling me that they ain't say it was the refs?" and I thought you were talking about them being in the news or ESPN after they found out. I apologize. I misunderstood. You're right. Off camera, I don't know. However, when asked about it in the news and on ESPN, they didn't blame the refs or the mistake. They blamed themselves. That's all I meant to convey.

"If my team is up with four seconds left and the ref makes the WRONG call, which puts the other team on the goal line, and that other team wins because of that, that's my fault?" - QS 1/6/04

It's absolutely not your fault, but it's not the other team's fault, either. That's what you fail to realize. You CANNOT punish a team because of ONE bad call! What about earlier "bad" calls? They don't matter anymore? Why do you focus on just the "final" one? For the sake of argument, let's say things unfold like you say they should. Let's say the Colts are up 24-20 on the Chiefs next week. The Chiefs get the ball and throw a hail mary and PI is called, but it's a "bad" call. The Chiefs get it on the one, score, and win. So later the league apologizes and says it was not PI, reverses the W and the Colts still win. So what if the Chiefs go to the league and say, "We had a TD called back on holding. It's not holding. Plus, on this blocked FG, the guy is lined up offsides. That cost us 10 points." So the league reviews it and the Chiefs are right. Can they re-reverse it? Should every game came down to how many "bad" calls the league finds and whoever has the most go against them, then that team wins? As you asked about pointless bars, where do we draw the line? I admit that it is technically possible to review all questionable calls, but the league is trying to limit the amount of controversy around replays which is why they limit it to ball spots or catches - where conclusive evidence will prove the ball hit the ground or his knee was down or his arm was going forward. Things like hldong or PI are what the league (not just me) refers to as judgement calls and feel that the game is best served if those calls are best left up to the officials. And I happen to agree. Since you don't, then fine, but don't act like EVERY call type should be up for review because it's always "clear cut."

"And I don't believe that you really believe that cuz (Luda) is better (than Jada), thus I can call it a lie." QS 1/6/04

No you can't, dumb ass, cause I didn't say Luda was better than Jada. I said it was a tie... lol, how you gon twist that, MORON? Anyway, I'm through debating my opinion with someone who clowns Ludacris and then reps Wish Bone (on a song he didn't even spit on) and Memphis Bleek (all that marketing; he still flops). You can have your opinion. I personally think all of DMX's albums after his debut were suspect. But if you like em, fine. I personally think all LOX and other related CDs by their members are atrocious. In fact, I was listening to DMX's debut the other day and was reminded why I couldn't stand them back then. But that's my opinion. If you thought they was tight, then fine. Whatever.

"And what band does cuz from Outkast have? LOL, that's him...that's all him." QS - 1/6/04

In real life, Qool, yes, it's him. But as it is CLEARLY portrayed in the video, the band is made up of different characters (i.e. Andre 3000, Johnny Vulture, Possum Jenkins, the Love Haters, etc.) Did you miss that? Like the Klumps are all played by Eddie Murphy, but he plays different CHARACTERS? Did you miss that? There's Sherman, (come on) Cletus, the mamma, the brother, plus Buddy? Did you miss that? In Austin Powers with Beyonce, Mike Myers plays Austin, Goldmember, Fat Bastard, and Dr. Evil? Did you miss that? Andre 3000 plays about 6 distinct members. Moving on (somewhat), the artist tells us the point. I have explained it to you. Why can't you admit you're wrong? Why must you say stupid things like Beyonce and Lucy Liu have nothing to do with the song when they are CLEARLY metaphors for other attractive women listening in the audience? CLEARLY! Why must you make up verses? Why do you ignore the songs real verses and point to him talking the band and audience like it has nothing to do with anything? Why, Qool, why, must you make up incorrect inconclusions just because you can't admit you're wrong? WHY MUST YOU DEBATE WITH THE ARTIST WHEN HE TELLS US THE POINT OF HIS SONG?! You're a joke!

"Lastly, if Beyonce came up to you singing a song and you just rushed her and commenced to take it, you would be in jail so fast and I'd be laughin my rectum off, dummy." QS - 1/6/04

Maybe. If she sang it. But I'm talkin about if she SAID it to me. You know? TALKING? That whole conversation thing? Saying and singing are two different things. I said if she SAID - Not SANG. SAID. NOT SANG. SAID. NOT SANG. Get it? Yes? No? Anyway, if she SAID "Undress me, undress me" or if she SAID, "Here's your chance to make your move" and this was SAID to me, the only place I'm goin fast is all up in that - quite legally. If she SAID those things TO YOU, and you think to yourself, "Aw, she's just singing a song" even though she SAYS them to you and is TALKING to you, then playa, that's your interpretation.

I wanna apologize for any confusion about Jerry Jones. I wasn't trying to put a twist on it. I wasn't trying to explain it to you. I was just lettin you know what I thought about the situation. I was just givin you my opinion on that. You could be right. I just think Parcells runs the show, no matter what is said on camera. That's just me. And I admit that you have a right to say that Timbo and Pharrell shouldn't rap or sing since they know they can't. I agree that people who can't hoop or write should not be calling up the Bulls or the Post. I'm just saying your analogies were off. Timbo and Pharrell aren't calling anybody saying "Sign me up." Or "Give me a job!" They produce their own songs and album and distribute them on their OWN dime. It's on them and not some other organization that they tried to get on with. A better analogy would be, I probably shouldn't produce my own newpsaper if I can't report the news very well.

I'm out like Brian Westbrook. Peace!

"I refuse to get excited about ANY move the Skins make until they prove it to me." - QS

You got to be halfway excited about Gibbs. Come on, Cletus, just a little, right?

H*WOOD, you've repped Cassidy before. From the video I saw with him and R. Kelly, he's wack. And it has nothing to do with the song cause R. Kelly and the beat and hook are straight. But his flow and lyrics are lame. What songs by Cassidy are any good?

I'm out like Joe Gibbs from retirement. Peace!

So if the people at work called you "Dumb A$$ N*gger Monkey" and you maintained your name was QS, you'd be stubborn? lol

"God is my answer and I played that card cause it ain't no way you can dispute it." - QS 1/12/04

No, that's your answer because you suck at debating. Comparing GOD'S infallibility to HUMAN refereeing is moronic. You still haven't answered the question and I suspect you won't. Plus, you said "points" as in PLURAL as in MORE THAN ONE. So even if I accepted that God answer - which I don't - you still owe me one more.

"Anyway, youngin do you not understand that whatever rap cred you had, you are losing?" - QS 1/12/04

Do you think I care if I lose any rap credibility on this predominantly East Coast biased thread? Or any thread? Or anywhere?lol... Am I supposed to hide the fact that I enjoy Southern rap because 5 or 6 cats on the i-net (fam-o) I don't even really know don't like it? Maybe you come on here looking for acceptance about the music you enjoy, but I don't give a “flying flikkerin fukk what you think about my taste in rap/hip-hop, lol... "Rap cred?" Negro please. I ain't even gonna try to slide in any jabs about music you enjoy that I personally find wack. Let's just say that Hillis has no "rap cred" in Qoolout's opinion? Ok? And staying along those lines, I'm not about to debate about which MC is wacker between Tim and Bleek. Peep this, Jack. I look at Timbo like I'm trying to hoop with 10 and we only got 9. So Timbo is there and we ask if he'll run, and he tells us he sucks, but we pick him up just to run. So he proceeds to turn the ball over and get crossed by his man and lit up, but we can't really be mad cause he told us the situation. Bleek is that cat that swears up and down he's nice, but in the game he jacks up threes because he thinks goin for 1 for 20 behind the arc is ok, and he drives 1 on 4 because he made that shot 6 years ago on the high school JV team and thinks it's a high percentage shot. He shoots his team out the game and pisses them off. Now, I'm NOT saying that's how YOU should look at it, but that's how I do. I'll just leave it at that.

"Anyway, I already said taking away the W does not apply in that B-More game. Why the long rant?" - QS 1/12/04

Because you asked me why I thought it was the most idiotic thing I've ever heard.

"No, I've never seen the receiver beg for a flag and then get it, ONLY after begging. What game was that, if you saw it?" - QS 1/12/04

If I worded my statements in a way that implied that the receiver got the flag because he begged for it, then I apologize. The reason the ref called PI is irrelevant. I was pointing out the different reactions to it. The receiver thought it was PI, the ref agreed; however, the DB didn't. In the Colts/Chiefs game, Tony Gonzalez was called for PI on a TD he scored. After the game he said it was a bad call. Personally, I thought Gonzalez pushed off and it was a valid call, but it was kind of weak so I understood his side. My roommate agreed it could have gone either way. I'm sure the DB thought it was PI because Gonzalez injured him when he pushed off of him. The point is, it wasn't blatantly one way or the other as you seem to think ALL PI calls are. And for someone who supposedly played football - and receiver at that - to think ALL PI calls are clear cut is mind boggling.

"If it takes TOO long for you then so be it." - QS 1/12/04

I agree that officiating can always improve and that refs should be full time. I also think it's silly to say that a ref is always correct on certain calls, but others are up for interpretation. But in my OPINION, I think if you just make every call reviewable you take it back to the old way of instant replay that hurt the game. If you'll recall, there was a recent time when the NFL didn't have instant replay. Before that, they did. But players, coaches, GMs, and presidents didn't like it because it took too long - especially in a close game after the final two minute warning. They felt it slowed down the natural flow of the game and the refs took too long deciding on calls. Plus the refs, usually are about 90-95% anyway. So they got rid of it. But now it's back in the amended form to keep the flow of the game while still giving coaches to determine calls which truly might decide the outcome of the game. Plus the refs have a time limit. And you might be surprised to know, that some of the league don't like instant replay at all. Your way could be done, but I just think it would lessen the watchability of games. In my opinion. And yes, I like the NFL OT rule. I like the college rule, too, but I like the NFL rule more. It's no different from time of possesion. Why whine cause you ain't get the ball in OT? Play some damn defense!

"If the ref makes the wrong call at the end of the game, that is a bad call and it may very well alter the outcome of the game." - QS 1/12/04

I agree with that statement; however, that's not what you've really been arguing. But ONE call BY ITSELF does NOT cost a team an ENTIRE game! An ENTIRE game? Sure, it can alter the outcome of a game just like a missed block, or a crucial drop, or an untimely fumble, or all the other normal happenings of a game. I answer your questions; answer mine! What about that same "bad" call in the first or second quarter? Does it not matter then? What if the Chiefs got more bad calls against them earlier but the Colts just got that bad PI at the end? Which team gets the win then? I wonder what it's like to play b-ball with you. I guess if Qoolout does or doesn't think it's a foul it, Qool must be right because it's "clear cut." FLIP OUTTA HERE! You gonna tell me that whenever you hoop you ain't never been in or at least seen a situation where two cats were arguin about a foul call?!

"Man, if saying Beyonce really was a metaphor, how can you put CLEARLY up in that? I didn’t know it meant attractive women and Lucy Liu would not be in my attractive category." - QS 1/12/04

I guess you and the 2 other people who didn't understand that can discuss it all day. So since Qool doesn't think Lucy Liu is attractive, then she must not be, huh? Come on, dun! You gotta at least know that Lucy Liu is widely considered an attractive woman. Very attractive in my opinion. And he said "Beyonces" and "Lucy Lius," as in PLURAL, as in MORE THAN ONE! Of course, you're probably just pretending to miss that to cling to your incorrect conclusion that Hey Ya doesn't have a point. Down with the ship, indeed. And yeah, I have all those names memorized. He's referred to himself by those names WAY before Hey Ya came out so I already knew the names. Shouldn't you know that already "Hey Ya Expert?"

"Maybe you have to jump on any opportunity you can get (which I believe), if so that would explain why you would be in it quick." - QS 1/12/04

Maybe. Either way, I'm cuttin Beyonce and you're still wonderin what she meant. And if I were you, I'd be skeptical if a fine ass woman asked me to undress her, too... lol

Again, you may be right about Jerry Jones and Bill Parcells; however, most football pundits know that Parcells likes to have a LOT of control, and if he doesn't get it, he'll bounce like he did in New England. Those same pundits also know that Jerry Jones likes to meddle in football affairs more than he should. So for a coach like Parcells to go work with an owner like Jones makes me believe that there was some type of agreement that Jones will stay out of the way. And with them making the playoffs, I think Parcells hold on the Boys have strengthened. Kind of like I think Snyder will stay out of Gibbs way. And FYI, when you try and clown me on what I think about Parcells and Jones, it makes you look stupid when you acknowledge that I'm right after you TRY and clown me, MORON... Now, you said you liked the Cassidy song; but what do you think of Cassidy as an MC?... I been listenin to Through The Wire cause it's all over the place and I gotta admit that Kanye has me crackin up. Of course, two songs ain't gonna have me change my tune yet...
Your analogies sucked. If I call up the Bulls or the Post, I'm probably lookin to get paid by the Bulls or the Post. Timbo ain't gettin paid by no one but the people buying his records. Nothin else to say man, your analogies suck!

Maybe my "rap cred" is chillin with your clout... lol

I'm out like my rap cred. Peace!

Before I open with my rebuttal, I just want to know, who are you referring to when you say "everybody?" You say "everybody" knows I'm lying or "everybody" knows I'm wrong. Who? The TA Dodgers you work with? Is some female MSNing you again? More phantom fans? Is there a thread you started where everybody posts against me? lol I haven't seen anybody other than us post in weeks! And even when they post they stay out of our debates. So who is "everybody?"

First, your God example isn't a matter of being correct or incorrect. It's irrelevant. Sure, God doesn't make mistakes. But I never said anything about every being in the universe makes mistakes. I said there's never a point in life where every detail is called correctly. So when is God on earth in physical form goin, "No, this is what really happened..." Well? Have you seen Him? Tell me where God just sits on Earth in the physical lettin everybody know what really happened at the car wreck or the murder scene or to JFK, Jimmy Hoffa, Pac and BIG? I'll be there in a heartbeat! God doesn't make mistakes, but He's not anywhere calling out details at events, either. Second, we're talking about referees (i.e. HUMANS) and you brought in GOD???!!! So the referees shouldn't make mistakes refereeing because GOD doesn't make mistakes?! GOD?! GOD?! You absolutely cannot be serious! Third, you said points plural! You need to come with another example to validate your example (which you won't do because you can't). Why can't you come with more? lol Just say Zeus or Allah or Buddha or somebody, lol...

Me finding quotes about legitimate arguments we have here on the thread is unrelated to what you believe my "rap cred" is. I haven't found quotes trying to prove my "rap cred" to you, nor have I said anything about what I think about YOUR rap cred. So again, we'll just say that Qoolout thinks I've lost rap cred and we'll add that you think I care... lol

Well, I see how you feel the both teams get the ball in OT rule is more fair, but I think it's irrelevant. I feel if you can't win in the first 60 minutes, don't whine cause you lose the coin toss in OT and get scored on first. Is it fair that a team that gets the ball back in the second half can score right before the first half and retain possesion when the second half resumes? Why don't we just give everybody an even number of series for the entire game?

If you answered my question about the bad calls, I can't tell. I didn't ask which is worse. I asked who gets the win. And if you think the team that has the bad call go against them at the end should win, then why? Why should they be rewarded with a win because of when ONE bad call went against them? Why should the other team be punished because ONE bad call helped them at a specific time in the game? You have NOT been arguing that a bad call can alter a game. You've been arguing that ONE bad call can cost a team an ENTIRE game. A bad call can alter a game like this; if there's a bad PI call on the final drive of a game, on the next play or plays the defenders might be too nervous to play aggressive, so they get beat on some passes and the other team scores the winning TD. COMBINED with the DBs soft coverage, the bad call affected the other team, but it isn't the ONLY reason the team lost. Or if it happens at the end of the game, why do you ignore the first 59 minutes? You say missed blocks and tackles and dropped passes are the team's fault; so we just forget about the drops and missed blocks because of ONE bad call at the end? ONE? I could see three or four. But ONE?! Naw, I'm not feelin that. ONE call? Naw, man. Naw. Riddle me this; when the Bills and Giants played in the Super Bowl and Scott Norwood missed the game winning FG, was the fact the Bills lost the Super Bowl ALL his fault? Even though he had made some FGs earlier? Did he singlehandely (or footedly) lose the Super Bowl for the Bills?

Whining about the kneel down? Please. So I'm supposed to whip up on you all game, hold you on fourth down or get an INT and I can kneel down and get a win and keep my players from getting injured, but instead I'm supposed to give you a chance to win for no other reason than you guys couldn't get it done with all the other chances you had. We're just supposed to give you chances? Should I call timeouts for you, too? Maybe I should just give you an INT for no other reason than somebody thinks the kneel down is bad for the game. That makes no sense. How would you facilitate a "real" play at that point? Who's to say that the QB doesn't pitch it back to the TB and he just "slips?" I guess at the end of b-ball games the team winning should jack up shots with no later than 20 seconds remaining on the shot clock just to basically hand the other team the game, huh? Why is it that you don't expect teams to win on their own anymore?

Dude, I think Bleek is wacker than Timbo. On a PURELY lyrical level, Bleek is generally more complex, but it doesn't make up for his overall wackness and delusions of grandeur. Bleek does nothing for me. Nothing at all. At least Timbaland makes me laugh. I can see why you like Bleek more. Fine. Whatever. But he sucks to me. Worse than Timbo. I understand your hoopin analogy, but I still look at Timbo and Bleek the way I did earlier. That's just me.

It wouldn't be Kobe, er, I mean, rape. The only thing gettin raped is your ego as I'm LEGALLY cuttin up your girl. And I don't care what you said; if a fine ass woman came up to you and asked you to undress her, YOU should be skeptical... lol

Regarding everybody you asked either didn't know the point of Hey Ya or said it didn't have one... Ok, for the people who didn't know it, peep this; we don't know your legal name - does that mean you don't have one? Maybe they just need the point explained to them, like you did. Whether they choose to ignore it like you do is up to them. But them not knowing it doesn't mean that the song doesn't have one. And WHO beside YOU says it doesn't? My roomate and my friends know the point - we're familiar with Outkast's work so we got it. And you say nobody other than me says it has a point. First of all, Andre 3000 says it has a point. Second, did you miss that YOU are the only one who says it does not?! Yeah, you, negro. I didn't see H*WOOD, J-Dolo, Best, or anybody else go "Oh yeah, Qool, you're right. Hey Ya doesn't have a point." Did that slip your mind or did you ignore it just to help your lame arguments? Well, it doesn't matter. The song has a point and why you continue to argue is beyond me. And just because YOU didn't get "Beyonces and Lucy Lius" doesn't mean it isn't clear. It just means YOU didn't get it. My roommate and my other friends all understand that Lucy Liu and Beyonce are both considered attractive women. They got the metaphor. It should be easy to get it with him just saying "Beyonces and baby dolls." But you "missed" or pretend to so there's nothin else to say, man. You're a joke.

If you don't care about the region, why did you jump in with only "bad" Southern lyrics back in the first thread? Why not stay out of it or post bad lyrics from East Coast artists, too? Yeah. Exactly.

I guess that part about Parcells confused you. I capitalized "a lot" to emphasize that he likes control over the organization more than most coaches. I thought that would be clear, but I forgot NOTHING is clear to you, so I apologize. Bill Parcells likes a lot more control than most normal coaches. His famous quote after he bounced from New England was along the lines of "If you want me to cook the dinner, at least let me pick out the groceries" because owner Bob Kraft didn't give him enough say in personnel decisions. So, again, I find it hard to believe that a coach like Parcells would go work for an owner like Jones unless Jones gave up most of the contol. But that's my opinion.

Yeah, the people are buying Timbo records. He ain't tellin people to pay him to make records. The records are made already. In your dumb ass analogies, the product has yet to be made. The articles for the Post aren't written. The basketball games for the Bulls haven't been played. And he's not expecting you to buy his records because he can or cannot rap. His sales are based off his beats.

"Cassidy as an MC, based on what I heard, ain’t all that. But he’s not terrible. I could hear some more that may make me say he’s great or horrible. Time will tell. When did I say I like him? You say two songs ain’t gonna change your tune, but how many did it take to set your tune?" - QS 1/24/04

You lost me. I didn't say you liked Cassidy. And those two songs that weren't gonna change my tune were about Kanye West. Did you switch topics to Kanye and forget to put his name in there? I'm gonna wait for you to respond so I know what the *bleep* you're talking about.

I'm out like a Qoolout debate. Peace!

You can't use "everybody" and ASSUME that they agree with you about me SUPPOSEDLY "lying." I haven't lied to you. Because I don't agree with your way of thinking, I must be "lying?" Goin down with the ship, huh? Because I don't agree with you? Because I like Ludacris or I'd listen to Timbaland before Memphis Bleek? That's lying? Because I don't allow you to use half of my sentences and leave out a crucial part? I'm lying? People with "common sense" can see I'm lying? How am I "lying?" What have I lied about? Are you saying I'm lying about my OWN opinion, an opinion about DA SOUTH I've stated and backed since my first post? What have I lied about? What, Qool, what?

EVERYBODY I know says Hey Ya has a point or they aren't sure. After I tell those that don't already know what ANDRE 3000 (THE FLIPPIN ARTIST HIMSELF) says it's about, they get it. You see, just because QOOLOUT says it ain't about nothin, doesn't mean anything. QOOLOUT is nobody. QOOLOUT can't tell ANDRE 3000 what's in his head or what was in his head when he wrote the song. QOOLOUT is wrong. QOOLOUT may not get it and QOOLOUT may try all types of angles, but QOOLOUT is no authority on a song he didn't even write. If ANDRE 3000 (THE FLIPPIN ARTIST HIMSELF) tells us the point, why would anybody care what QOOLOUT thinks?

Still avoiding the issue, eh? God is everywhere, true; so is He everywhere correctly calling out the details of an event? Where does this happen Qool? WHERE? CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION, QOOLOUT? WHERE IS GOD PHYSICALLY CALLING EVERY DETAIL CORRECTLY? WHERE? WHERE? I didn't say He couldn't or He isn't everywhere! CAN YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION QOOLOUT? Your smokescreens are useless and your God example is stupid - and you know it. Down with the ship, indeed. WHERE'S YOUR SECOND EXAMPLE?! W-A-S-I-T-S-O-M-E-T-H-I-N-G-I-S-A-I-D?

Next, we do agree that YOU (and only YOU) believe I care about your opinion on my rap cred... lol

Next, you don't know how Jerry Jones runs his team so you are talking just to be talking. You can have the last word here, too, but only after we both agree that you are just running your mouth (yeah, I took yo statement - I can easily say the same thing to you, Foolout)...

Blah, blah, blah, I'm still cuttin Beyonce up LEGALLY while you're STILL debatin the merits of her words... MORON!

CAN YOU ANSWER THIS QUESTION, QOOLOUT? If a game has one bad call that "costs" Team A a TD at the beginning of the game, and Team B has a bad call "costs" them the game winning TD at the end of the game, WHO SHOULD GET THE WIN IN YOUR OPINION? Since you claim the one at the end is "worse" (when it's really just more memorable), does that mean that Team B "deserves" the win more than Team A, so the NFL should give it to Team B? Moving on (somewhat), why is it that you only care about the bad calls at the end of a game? What about teams that get bad calls in the first quarter? You said teams aren't out there to overcome bad calls; so just because they have three quarters to "overcome" it should be irrelevant. Right? And as far as your rambling on about the kneel down, I didn't say anything about what you thought it was when you were 6. I'm talking about what you just posted at age 24. You, at age 24, said (and I quote) "I think you should have to run or throw and risk losing the ball." That's what YOU said. At age 24. And you said this was related to making the NFL better. So I say, the ONLY reason a team would do something that flippin STUPID is to basically HAND the other team a chance to win. So I'm saying why should a team fight to get up and be able to win the game with a kneel down but have to run a "real" play and risk an unnecessary injury or fumble simply because the other team couldn't do their job? Or in other words, I disagree and I think it would be stupid.

"FYI, you can phone the Post and get old papers. Like if you want the paper that was released on 9-11, call em and get it. Thus, the articles are already done." - QS 1/26/04

Aiyo, check it, what the flying flikkerin fukk does articles written on 9-11 BY OTHER PEOPLE have to do with articles I'm trying to write for the Post? If I call up the Post trying to write articles, you won't find any by ME on 9-11! Thus, the articles are NOT written! Dumb a$$! And as far as Timbaland goes, he isn't asking people to pay him to make the product. The product is made first, then he asks to get paid. A better analogy would be The Post tellin everybody their newspaper sucks, but also trying to get subscriptions or having them on newsstands for $1. Nothin else to say man, your analogies suck!

I wasn't trying to prove a point about Cassidy/K. West. I just didn't want to assume you were talking about Kanye and then you try play like I'm putting words in your mouth. You know how you are. I mean, you asked when you said you liked him, but you never said you liked him. And I never said you did, so why you would ask that baffles me. So since THAT didn't make sense, I just wanted to be sure I didn't just assume what you meant without more clarification. Anyway, I've heard 3 songs with Kanye West. One was on BP2, one is Slow Jamz, and the other is Through The Wire. On all three I think his rhyming is suspect. However, I ain't gon hate and lie that he has had me rolling on two or three lines. The song I heard on BP2, he was wack. Through The Wire has a good beat, but I wasn't really impressed with his flow - mouth wired shut or not. But he did have me laugh about orderin pancakes and sippin the sizzerp and lookin like Emmit Till and the line in Slow Jamz about Michael Jackson. So I guess it took three songs to set my tune. But those few lines won't change it all by themselves.

Now you asked me to do this, so here you go...

"Anyway, I agree I was hating on the South, but that was because y'all was hating on the East..." - QS 12/5/01

"And if someone attacks a rapper or coast that I like, I'ma attack one of their rappers or their coast." QS 12/5/01

At the time, Best and Big J were postin wack South lyrics, so me and Bama fought back with wack East Coast lyrics. Then you jumped in misquotin every Southern rapper you could find. You said you were defending the East Coast from us, but why? We only posted against the East in OUR defense. You even said that East Coast had wack lyrics, too. So why did you feel the need to involve yourself by posting only bad Southern lyrics if you're neutral. Why not post both and say that bad lyrics are everywhere?

I'm out like bad Southern lyrics. Peace!

I started this thing and I'ma end it.

At first, I was just gonna leave this board and not post since it was just me and Qoolout anyway. But recently, I been thinkin, I just can't go out without saying my last lil bit. This probably won't ever get read, but I thought I'd drop this unappreciated masterpiece anyway, just to have closure. If this board or any other continuation gets hot again, it'll be without me. I'm never posting on ILxor.com again. If you want my opinion on anything, just email me. I'm through. I'm out. I'm done. But before I go...

I was wrong about Kanye West. He's flippin flames. As a pure rapper, he's good, but his production skills are exceptional. He's on Timbaland/Dre status as a producer. Except he can rap. He's hilarious. He hasn't shown if he has any versatility cause all his flows are comical and his metaphors are witty, but they seem to be more about laughs. I would assume he can battle but hasn't shown and can flow deep, but it's more of a stand up comedy deep than just a somber deep - like a Nas or Pac. As far as his album goes, it's flames. A 5 mic-er, in my opinion. Spaceship, School Spirit, and Get Em High are the best to me. Last Call is nice and it has Kanye explainin his rise to fame. The other tracks are pretty good, but the first four I mentioned are the standouts if you ask me. So I say, get the College Dropout. I'd say you should be able to find at least 6 songs you actively bump - unless you just are totally opposed to Kanye West. Still, I say buy it. Here's one classic line "I dropped outta school quick, I always had a PhD, a PRETTY HUGE DICK!" LMAO!

Since this is my final post, I gotta give props to Nchekwube. You are the funniest nigga I ain't never seen. I don't know if we ever met if you'd swing at me or ignore me or we'd be cool. But if I ever met your ass, I'd laugh for an hour straight. Swear to God. I'm sure you know you can flow. I've said it before and I'll say it again. You helped me step up my raps - no shame in admitting it. I feel like my weakest raps on here are better than 60% of the stuff out now simply because I knew if I brought some BS, I would get served. Of course, you may still say I suck. Whatever. I look back at the first board and our raps were miles behind what we did later. Some of them joints actually sucked. But both of our styles changed for the better. As a man, I can say you're nice and battlin you was the main reason I improved. And I see a great improvement in your style that I know I helped bring about, but if you say I had nothing to do with it, then I'll leave it at that. I don't know how seriously you take your mic skills, but I'd say you'd have a good chance of gettin a deal if you tried. On the real. That line about stepping into your office of rhymin so I can beat you with my suitcase would have been a good ass skit for a video. That line was hilarious. Also, you may want to think about comedy. Some of them posts had me CRYIN. "Ah, Robbie, that verse was mad tight, son......................... I'm lying" was hands down the funniest thing I ever saw on here. Classic. Classic. Other classics: "Unlinkable bars," that time you clowned me for pretendin to be you and Big J and askin for props - like I thought it was the tightest shit ever. HA HA HA! At the time, I thought it was, but now I look at it and shake my head and then LMAO... I know for a fact I wasn't the only one that found you funny. I have no reason to believe you ain't doin that engineerin thang, but if that don't work out, try spittin or comedy. lol I still don't agree with any of that Nas stuff - nor AZ, Cormega, Mobb Deep, and all your other rap points. I ain't dissin em, I just don't agree. But that's the truth so you can take this last post to the bank cause I'm out on this topic.

Qoolout may or may not care if I mention this, but oh well. I've met his non Madden playin ass now that I've moved to Virginia. I'm 10 minutes from DC now. Yup, H3K has left DA SOUTH but his heart's still there. But anyway, Qool talked all this nonsense about bein good at Madden, but he got served like that terrible movie. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to ball with him yet, but he better hope his hoop skills is better than his Madden skills. The funny thing about that is that we don't tell anyone we know how we really met - it sounds kind of fruity. For real, how would it sound if H*WOOD told his friend he first met 3:16 on the inet famo. So we say met hoopin, even though Qool has yet to get served. Even though we know what will soon happen. Qoolout was just as funny, but a lot of his humor wasn't as overt as Best. He also rhymed and battled tight, too. "I live in VA, dummy." Them flows was ill. But since I've met him, Best is still the funniest nigga I ain't seen. Them b-ball hoops rhymes was classic, too... if I ever blow up, I'll steal them. Nah, I'm just foolin... or am I...

H*WOOD, keep doin the DJ thang. I hope you make it... Steph, if you still spittin, go head with it... Faye, I don't even know what you do, but maybe Baron Davis will come around... Macka, you showed me that hip hop is alive and well. You knew hip hop like an American. That's an ignorant statement, but it's the only real way for me to show that I understand how credible a hip hop source you are. And don't stop spittin, Great Britain... Wiz - sorry I ain't put you in the 3rd post mention... lol I know you ain't mind, nigga! Dolo, hold it down at the corrections facility - if that's what you still be doin. If you feel the need to spit again, go back them Seriousness spits to get some inspiration... Kazper, hold it down in M-Town, North North, Orange Mound...

Anyway, to the rest of you cats, I gotta say that it was real. I ain't gonna front, this thread was a part of me for almost 3 years. Discussing my love of hip hop, sports, and battlin all of you has been a real highlight and it was nice to get some different views on all the issues we've discussed. And before I forget, when Wiz dissed me and said "these gays" that was the best diss on here out of all 4 boards. I got my ass murked on that one. But the best thing about it was that I totally didn't expect it. Best, Qool, maybe Dolo or Macka, but Wiz came out of nowhere (in my eyes) and said "You got served" like a B2K movie. That shit had me rollin. But still, everybody's called it quits, so H3K is out. And I ain't comin back like Jordan wavin the 4-5. Like I said, any of you can hit me on the email addy - even Best! lol

To anybody or anything I forgot, charge it to my head and not my heart...

"I'm Rick James, bitch!"

I'm out like me. Peace!

"you cannot even understand what the hell they saying all they rap about is shouty and girls with big butts" = exactly what white america said about ALL RAP when it was new = southern rap must be the BOMB if it's getting reactions like that

I suspect "jiggy"/"bling"/etc. has had its day as the primary hip-hop meme, and that conscious/whatever will rise, along with, interestingly enough, hardcore. This will happen because, oddly enough, both prize "authenticity."

-- Ess, Thursday, 11 September 2003 19:12 (4 years ago) Bookmark Link

Ess the seer

it's a beautiful thing.

-- HOOS is BACK steenaz (Hoosteen), Thursday, January 4, 2007 2:30 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

wtf is this

in a hoosteen state of mind

where is part 1?

oh wait is this it? Jay-Z / Nas hip-hop throw down? & other throw-downs?

Jay-Z / Nas hip-hop throw down? & other throw-downs? Pt. 2: The Saga Continues.

(trying to find it to show someone)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YWYPaY5UUg

o_O

uh

Must be a friend of his.

important video

why is nas hanging jay-z
iRapMad 3 days ago

because he won the beef after he dropped ether
MCBobbyE in reply to iRapMad 3 days ago

"Since Jay-Z would really let us hang him, we made this"

this dude is creepy as fuck

Nas to be on CNN tomorrow morning for Soledad Obrien's Starting Point...
Nas to be a panelist on CNN tomorrow morning [6.13.12] for Soledad Obrien's Starting Point

Nas will get into all this tomorrow

rip jay z

I wanted to comment on the historical resonance of a bunch of white dudes making an animatronic image of a famous black dude that they could program to realistically struggle and twitch as they hang him from a gallows pole but the fact that this was all commissioned by another famous black dude is melting my mind.

also m@tt OTM

At what point do you think, "y'know what? I don't think I need this particular paycheck this bad"?

I think when you are watching the doc short played back and you realize you are the dude standing on the platform imitating the jerking movements of a black man struggling to keep from being lynched, you should have some regrets.

http://img.youtube.com/vi/1YWYPaY5UUg/0.jpg

g.o.a.t. eyes

omg :55

the salad days of Qoolout and Hillis 3000