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The smug subversive politics of George Stompapolous! The beautiful and stoned Bradford Howe! The urban cool of Hannah Sung! The retarded cuteness of Amanda Walsh! The annoying naivete of Rick the Temp!

Sym (shmuel), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:12 (twenty-two years ago)

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Sym (shmuel), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:12 (twenty-two years ago)

They just played a special called Artists Behaving Badly, which tells us what penalty artists would get if they actually committed the crimes in their videos. WTF?

Sym (shmuel), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Is MuchMusic the one with the show Uranium?

Aja (aja), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think so...

Sym (shmuel), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh.

See, there was something called MuchMusic but I think they changed their name to Fuse.

Does it have Dedicate Live?

Aja (aja), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Amanda Walsh is mine, everyone else -- HANDS OFF.
I actually wrote a critique about the latest VJ search on my blog ... summary = the worst of the five finalists won.
Rick will never live down the Temp moniker (at least not as long as I'm alive)
Bradford was a much needed lifeline for the station ... until every aspiring MM-VJ hopeful tried imitating him. Now he just annoys me.
I've run into George drinking at Sneaks ...
I still miss Michael Williams. To this day, he's the only black VJ to ever trumpet the greatness of Joy Division on air (that I know of).

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I still miss Michael Williams. To this day, he's the only black VJ to ever trumpet the greatness of Joy Division on air (that I know of).
Actually, he's the only VJ, period. It was all the more remarkable because he hosted shows like Rap City and never talked about rock music at all.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe I'm just getting old, but I find MuchMusic pretty close to unwatchable nowadays.

Steve Anthony, Mike Williams, Erica Ehm, KCC, Simon Gallagher and the lovely Theresa Roncon, to name a few - those were VJs worth watching.

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmm.... "muchmusic" and "Glory?" Those two words are mutually exclusive, sorry.

It's all a big joke and someday, maybe April 1, they'll spring a 'all you assholes got caught on Candid Camera!'

None of the VJ's, not one, have an ounce of charisma. I'd have more fun watching a cardboard box introduce another rap video than any of them. Rick the 'temp' - annoying alone for the fact he's about 4 foot 2. George - hmm, I didn't know 'hardcore' came in a package. Amanda - transparent, literally. I find myself focusing more on the broadcast instrumentation around her. Hannah - ...... oh, sorry, I must've dosed off.

Anyway, I live right near Toronto and would love to liven things up a little and add some real chutzpah to a circle of lackies, but I just couldn't deal with introducing a 'nickelback/tragically hip/tea party/our lady peace/i mother earth/etc/etc/etc' video.

Joy Division, on the other hand - absolutely.

JesusMaryChain, Monday, 9 February 2004 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Amanda Walsh must DIE. DIE, I TELLS YA!@

Also, bring back Nam and Bradford. I miss them so very very much.

That is all.

may pang (maypang), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:35 (twenty-two years ago)

J-Rock OTM. The older group of VJs were great. I actually interviewed Steve Anthony in a group of people once, in a room filled with liquor, and he was inviting his 12-year old fans to come into the room to have a beer or something, which bragging that he was the only person in that room to ever have met Sting (back when meeting Sting wasn't embarassing).

First one to post a picture of J.D. Edwards in his white polyester suit wins a beer from me (or a lawsuit from CBS).

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Michael Williams was an interesting DJ .. I'm sure he did talk about rock music.

For obscurity sake, I'll just add that the best VJ ever anywhere was
Claude Rajotte on MusiquePlus, Quebec's version of MuchMusic.

Putting aside the fact that he looks sorta like Tom Noonan (bald, tall, thin), he had great taste in music and he had a fantastic dry / ironic sense of humor (kinda weird mix of Brit and French in that way ???).

The classic moments are legion ... his record review show was chock full of recommendations you could trust but no-mercy lambastings of true garbarge.

MuchMusic/MusiquePlus were live off the floor, no edits. One day, Claude had the pleasure of interviewing a hot band of the moment ...
Milli Vanilli. They are there in studio, in the middle of the interview, calling for their makeup people/stylists and ignoring his questions. He pauses, waits and then asks (something like), You know this is live, right?

Matt Sab (Matt Sab), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, I just looked. He is Still on the air on MusiquePlus (I've moved away ...).

Check it out

http://www.musiqueplus.com/fr/tv/vj/2

Matt Sab (Matt Sab), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:42 (twenty-two years ago)

JD Roberts, of course. I don't know how to post this photo by itself, so here's a link to his bio:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/02/25/eveningnews/main502029.shtml

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I dunno.. thinking back to them all, I'm pretty certain that the old-school VJ's were just as lousy as the ones they have now. I think that the programming was a lot better though.

may pang (maypang), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Sook-Yin Lee's my personal G.O.A.T. of VJs. The Wedge was glorious when it was daily.
I think the main prob w/ Much is the videos they play, and the horrible repetition of those videos. But I like the cable access show atmosphere of the whole enterprise. They try to make it seem like their budget is much lower than it probably actually is

Sym (shmuel), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

JRoc NOT OTM. Anthony was an arrogant coke-head and Erica Ehm was the most airheaded VJ in the history of television. KCC was good, and Wylychka (sp?) was also really good (now on MMM).
Gotta go watch the Grammys, feel free to post Dumb Things Said by Erica Ehm Stories at your leisure.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

ZIGGY LORENC 4-EVAH!

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Wylychka got Menudo'd

Sym (shmuel), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:48 (twenty-two years ago)

F The Wedge. City Limits #1.

may pang (maypang), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:49 (twenty-two years ago)

F the wedge?
F U!!!@

Sym (shmuel), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:49 (twenty-two years ago)

christopher ward lives

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah yeah sorry JD Roberts, doh. The funny thing is that everytime I saw the company name "J D Edwards" I would think of J.D. Roberts, and I would smile.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyone seen Ed the Sock's trauma-inducing talkshow? The puppet has jumped the shark.
OTOH, his Fromage roundups are completely classic

Sym (shmuel), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:55 (twenty-two years ago)

JRoc NOT OTM. Anthony was an arrogant coke-head and Erica Ehm was the most airheaded VJ in the history of television.

But Barry, both of these are GOOD things! Well, I can definitely see the bad side of Anthony, but Erica Ehm was so spinny that it was great...the fact that she wasn't a polished TV host was (to me anyhow) ultimately more endearing than annoying, because it was like she was a fan like us instead of some talking head. If she seemed a bit dumm...oh well.

I used to love the way Kim Clarke Champniss would pronounce "Blur album": "Bleahhhh ahhhhbumm!"

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 9 February 2004 01:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Also May Pang OTM: City Limits was the best goddamned video show of all time ever.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 9 February 2004 01:01 (twenty-two years ago)

how come no love for terry david mulligan?

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 9 February 2004 01:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Mully was great but he always seemed so out of place! Like he was their dad or something! But I still yelled "HEY THAT'S MULLY" when he appeard in the movie The Accused.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 9 February 2004 01:04 (twenty-two years ago)

MuchMusic Early VJ Fun Facts:

1) Christopher Ward had albums of his own, but achieved more success writing songs for others, including Amanda Marshall and Alannah Myles (who he also produced and I think managed).

2) Erica Ehm wrote a bunch of songs for Cassandra Vasik, but I'm not sure if she ever did her own albums.

3) Kim Clarke Champniss managed the band Images in Vogue, a band whose percussionist's side project was Skinny Puppy.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 9 February 2004 01:13 (twenty-two years ago)

4) J.D. Roberts later became John Roberts, an anchor with CBS News, but if you look at his bio it doesn't list his stint on MuchMusic at all, and apparently he gets very unhappy if you mention it.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 9 February 2004 01:14 (twenty-two years ago)

(By the way, while we're on a BNW/Nightlines/Muchmusic nostalgia kick, does anyone else remember Graffiti magazine?)

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 9 February 2004 01:20 (twenty-two years ago)

in regards to fun facts about MM, i think Erica Emm is actually Moses Znaimer's neice or something... confirm/deny?

ken taylrr, Monday, 9 February 2004 01:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Can't confirm that but did find this here while looking for confirmation, which sort of sums up my feelings on Erica Ehm and why she wasn't a bad thing:

Znaimer believes the flaws of the would-be TV personalities were their strengths. He points to Erica Ehm, the first female video jockey hired by MuchMusic whose early on-air days were rocky.

"Everybody watching could imagine that they could be as good," Znaimer says. "We would get letters from viewers, and a typical letter would be: ‘My name is Cindy Sue and I am from such and such high school,’ and she would go on and complain about Erica. And there would always be the same last line: ‘If she can do it, then why can’t I?’"

Ehm found her way in front of the camera after a stint answering phones at the New Music, a Rolling Stone-style magazine program that pre-dated MuchMusic.

She was put on-air after Znaimer saw a demo reel she created with the help of John Roberts, now the senior White House correspondent for CBS News.

Despite her rough beginnings, she got better -- with a lot of hard work.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 9 February 2004 01:43 (twenty-two years ago)

"Erika Ehm . . . wasn't a bad thing" = greatest understatement of the 80s, at least to my 10-year-old self.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 9 February 2004 03:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I've always, always had a disdain for MuchMusic, its monopolistic hand in the Canadian Music Biz, its all-too boneheadedly literal McLuhanisms and its talking socks.

Huckleberry Friend, Monday, 9 February 2004 03:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yeah, at the time everyone ignored this thread. I don't know if I actually still agree with that. The Wedge, on the odd occasion that I catch it, often does play good stuff and is much less alt-rock than it used to be. I once caught DJ Shadow, DJ Format, and K-Os back-to-back.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 9 February 2004 03:54 (twenty-two years ago)

(AW obv = classic BTW)

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 9 February 2004 03:59 (twenty-two years ago)

the current crop is very weak. rick is so old and bad and he likes pearl jam. jennifer hollett has stupid hair and will never be a real vj because she was on talktv first. sarah taylor (the new one/token black vj) is stiff and likes boring music.

i like hannah and amanda quite a bit. and george is genuinely nice (remember the best rap videos of 2003 thing where nam and him kissed?? she wouldn't date him if he was really the snarky, black flag t-shirt-wearing guy that he tries to be all the time).

bradford and nam and rainbow -- where you at??

cloverlandthug, Monday, 9 February 2004 04:14 (twenty-two years ago)

the suckiness of the videos they play is the major problem, i think. i haven't watched it regularly in a long time. but it's something you check in with every now and then so you don't lose touch.

cloverlandthug, Monday, 9 February 2004 04:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Coming up...Nickelback, Matthew Good, Our Lady Peace, and more of today's cutting edge music!!!1!

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 9 February 2004 04:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't watch MuchMusic these days due to the crap state of current popular music, but I was glued to it during my late teens when Erica Ehm reigned supreme. I wrote to Erica once and she sent me a postcard praising my writing skills. I was thrilled.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Laurie Brown. She was a great VJ.

Steve Anthony was pretty funny when he first started on the channel.

Kent Burt (lingereffect), Monday, 9 February 2004 04:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Fuck da hataz. http://www.ericaehm.com

Laurie Brown was also excellent.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 9 February 2004 04:44 (twenty-two years ago)

It's her little world on the web! Oh I am convinced.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 February 2004 04:45 (twenty-two years ago)

The beautiful and stoned Bradford Howe!

Isn't he gone?

3) Kim Clarke Champniss managed the band Images in Vogue, a band whose percussionist's side project was Skinny Puppy.

He was also one of the children in the movie Village of the Damned.

Somebody should beat the smugness out of George.

Whenever I watch these days it's programming from a US station, or dressing up, or spotlights playing videos that are in constant rotation, or dedication shows playing videos that are in constant rotation. Musique Plus is vastly superior. Even though they're falling into the trap of showing "shows" instead of videos these days, they're request show is awesome. You see stuff you'd never expect to see in this day and age.

Vic Funk, Monday, 9 February 2004 04:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't know the current crop well enough to say, but I don't mind the blonde girl, and Rick has stuck around long enough that I find him amusing at this point, and he never really bugs me too much.

Always loved Erica--in fact, I interviewed her on college radio toward the end of her Much days. She had a sense of humour, she loved music, and was a huge (occasionally too gushing, which I'll take over drab anyway) fan; you always got the feeling she loved being on air, so naturally, she was great to watch (and cute too, obviously). She lacked some slickness, but didn't come across as an industry automaton. Unlike some of the others, she didn't sound like someone who was plucked out of an FM spot or who "once wrote a Top 40 single" for someone or other. Her lack of resume made her really appealing, I thought.

Steve Anthony was okay, though he came across as a little too bitter or something for TV and he was fidgety as hell which always annoyed me (he sounds right on radio--I know, who cares?--which I guess makes sense).

Michael Williams--ugh, one of the worst. The comment upthread about him not playing rock is just plain wrong (if memory serves, he even hosted a hard rock show at one point), but anyway, he was terrible on air, all fake bring-some-dignity-to-this-circus while at the same time doing his I'm-down-with-what-the-kids-are-listening-to routine. What really irked me about him was how he'd *always* wear the uniform to match the genre of the band he was interviewing (i.e., wearing a jean jacket with band patches on it and the sleeves cut off if he had to interview Bon Jovi--groan). Admittedly, that was probably an early Much (or even CITY) thing to some extent, but he just seemed so ripe for every occasion like that. Sorry--a complete industry shmoozer.

I also had little use for Laurie Brown and her faux-CBC act (in fact, didn't she end up there?), and Denise Donlon, the self-designated "conscience" of the Canadian Music Industry. I always prefer the goofballs, frankly.

[HaHa! Vic Funk's *Village of the Damned* comment is perfect!]

s woods, Monday, 9 February 2004 04:56 (twenty-two years ago)

the best part about nam leaving is guest hosts for vibe. obie trice! juelz santana! loon!

cloverlandthug, Monday, 9 February 2004 05:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, the guest hosts on RapCity also totally improve the show

Sym (shmuel), Monday, 9 February 2004 05:23 (twenty-two years ago)

The first 3 threads on ILM right now are CanCon threads. Yay!

Sym (shmuel), Monday, 9 February 2004 05:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Roberts, Brown, Ward, and Williams were all excellent, knowledgeable vj's. Williams actually had the guts to play Husker Du on the Power Hour metal show back in the mid-80s. These days, Stroumbolopolous is good, but the rest of those twits make that channel too unbearable to watch.

abegrand, Monday, 9 February 2004 05:26 (twenty-two years ago)

How has this thread gone this long with no mention of Rachel? I loved Rachel, but only after she left. I didn't realize what a good thing we had until it was gone.

Also, Rebecca Rankin was the hottest VJ they ever had. Sucks that she only appeared on camera like, three times.

minolta (minolta), Monday, 9 February 2004 05:30 (twenty-two years ago)

may. if you harm a single hair on amanda's head...
i'll..
i'll have some very stern words for you. oh yea - that's right¡
bumping into her on the street is one of the few joys i have left in life. and by "bumping into" i mean her walking past me on queen while i go completely brain dead with joy at the slightest hint of a smile. *sigh*

and george is the most arrogant talking piercing i have ever seen. even his gf has a hard time putting up with it.

anyhow, when i watch much i can feel myself getting stupider. i loved it as a young’in. but i was fairly stupid back then.

dyson (dyson), Monday, 9 February 2004 06:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Rebecca Rankin was attractive but the title of hottest VJ ever goes to Theresa Roncon. She gets bonus points for speaking Portuguese and liking Sepultura.

The absolute worst was Oliver, the guy who did Rap City in the post Mike Williams era. In the mornings he'd help out on Breakfast Television in his preppie clothes and then by 4:30pm he'd transform into his thug gear and affect a ridiculous "street" accent. His interview with Biggie Smalls at some pool hall was one of the most painful things I've ever seen on TV.

x-post

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Monday, 9 February 2004 06:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw Nam recently on some local Toronto show. She was talking about basketball or something. I miss seeing her. Rainbo too, who had a similar down-to-earth style about him.

And does anyone else hate Sook Yin doing Definitely Not The Opera as much as I do? Everytime I listen to her I want to scream "YOU ARE NOT FUCKING FUNNY!@"

may pang (maypang), Monday, 9 February 2004 06:17 (twenty-two years ago)

may. if you harm a single hair on amanda's head...

She just reminds me of that annoying girl on the busride home from school who'd talk about math tests and ponies.

may pang (maypang), Monday, 9 February 2004 06:20 (twenty-two years ago)

she's unique and enthusiastic, which is important, but she doesn't seem to get what works on radio and what doesn't, which can be annoying. dnto kind of sucked just as much before she came, though.

cloverlandthug, Monday, 9 February 2004 06:22 (twenty-two years ago)

i think nam hosts or co-hosts a basketball show on whatever the canadian sports channel is called.

cloverlandthug, Monday, 9 February 2004 06:23 (twenty-two years ago)

OTM about George Strom though. I really hate how he's the official "rock" guy when I can't help but think he probably listens to really terrible stuff. And having to witness him doing The New Music is just too too painful a thing as well. (x-post)

may pang (maypang), Monday, 9 February 2004 06:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Known simply as Nam to her friends and fans, 27-year-old Namugenyi Kiwanuka has been a VJ with Much Music for the past four years. In spite of her youth, the gifted artist is now set to broaden her job skills by hosting a new show on Sportsnet called NBA XL premiering in November.

cloverlandthug, Monday, 9 February 2004 06:27 (twenty-two years ago)

i hope some washed-up ex-vjs google this and post!!

cloverlandthug, Monday, 9 February 2004 06:27 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.cygnals.com/yowe/1/anthony.html

may pang (maypang), Monday, 9 February 2004 06:28 (twenty-two years ago)

What about "FAX"? I always had a soft spot for Lance Chilton.

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Monday, 9 February 2004 06:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, RIP: DAN GALLAGHERER.

http://www.scratchingpost.com/photos/philanddan.JPG

may pang (maypang), Monday, 9 February 2004 06:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan Gallagher was cool. Remember Test Pattern?

Gallagher also co-wrote the Canadian classic rock radio staple "Digging a Hole", by Big Sugar.

abegrand, Monday, 9 February 2004 06:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Juliette Lewis has not been mentioned yet ... she somehow managed to host Electric Circus while still maintaining cred. A beautiful woman too, particularly if you're like me and are into tall women (Juliette is ~ 6 feet tall)
I haven't heard anything about her since she moved out west, though.
I'm a bit surprised about all the luv for Erica Ehm. But there's nothing to argue about, since the reasons I didn't like her are the exact reasons that others did ...
I'm also going to put out further props for Christopher Ward and the genesis of the Fromage series. Ed the Sock is ridiculously funny, but he just makes fun of popular videos. When CW did it, Fromage had a daily segment for a WEEK, and they made fun of genuinely horrible and embarrassing videos. He even continued to do Fromage for a few years after leaving the station.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Monday, 9 February 2004 06:41 (twenty-two years ago)

'ridiculously funny'???

cloverlandthug, Monday, 9 February 2004 06:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I think this year's Le Fromage was the worst ever. It does make a big difference when only popular videos get shown.

(x-post) Ed The Sock's CityTV show is one of the worst things ever. Even with the recent addition of frontal nudity.

may pang (maypang), Monday, 9 February 2004 06:46 (twenty-two years ago)

He can be ridiculously funny, although it took me years to like Ed in the least. Actually, I think Ed's at his best on the City TV show, when he gets 10 minutes to rip into ditzy porn stars.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Monday, 9 February 2004 07:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Ed the Sock = Lewis Black
He's good on MuchMusic, but his talk show is horrible. He's also a hypocrite; he mocks exploitation of T&A in videos, but that's really all his show is.

Sym (shmuel), Monday, 9 February 2004 07:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I have exposed the hypocrisy of a sock puppet! Fear my analytic skills!

Sym (shmuel), Monday, 9 February 2004 07:36 (twenty-two years ago)

s woods otm about Denise Donlon. MM has really sucked since she's been the boss of programming. It'll be great when Amanda Walsh leaves MM for greener pastures as I think she's really fantastic but wasted there. Theresa Roncon was hot but it always seemed like she was a little off. Christopher Ward at his peak was the best and his Fromage shows were classics. I generally like Ed the Sock but for that show I almost wish he would stfu.

Bryan (Bryan), Monday, 9 February 2004 07:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Man, there's so many comments in here that I'd like to take issue with. I think George is probably one of the best VJs that they've ever had -- I mean it's obvious that he's a music fan and that he's really there for the music. Can't say that about any of the other current VJs (do any of them ever admit to liking anything?).I know he's their "rockist", but he constantly hypes decent indie type bands. The other day, in fact, he said something about Spritualized being one of his favourite bands.

It's almost as though Rick the Temp thinks that he's still 17. He has to be pushing 30; it's time to move on.

Hated Sook-Yin with a passion. I've never seen one person brutalise so many interviews. Can't stand the Sock.

grapeshine (grapeshine), Monday, 9 February 2004 09:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Ppl really have no consensus about the VJs, eh? Is there anyone else in this bitch that loves Sook-Yin?

Sym (shmuel), Monday, 9 February 2004 09:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Does anyone remember the skinny red-haired guy that won a VJ search a couple years ago? He's in my classes at university. I think he was too hardcore to actually become a VJ, sadly.

Sym (shmuel), Monday, 9 February 2004 09:11 (twenty-two years ago)

george's this-is-so-below-me snarkiness doing the news is the most unpleasant thing about him. just because you like rage against the machine doesn't mean you have to be all comically apologetic and resigned when you have to stoop to talking about pop stars.

he's a nice guy, though, and good when he's not talking about music.

cloverlandthug, Monday, 9 February 2004 09:18 (twenty-two years ago)

sook-yin is my second favorite!

cloverlandthug, Monday, 9 February 2004 09:19 (twenty-two years ago)

the only results for "sook-yin" and "namugenyi" in the ile search.

grapeshine-- they all love music but they have to stay impartial. but they do have things they love. rick loves our lady peace and other sincere late-90s canadian rock and pearl jam. amanda likes poppy indie rock and the dave matthews band. hannah likes hipstery synthesizer music. jennifer likes pop and old school hip-hop (she's said a few times that she hates "gangsta and bling rap")(did you know she is in a breakdancing group and toured with le tigre??).

cloverlandthug, Monday, 9 February 2004 09:31 (twenty-two years ago)

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cloverlandthug, Monday, 9 February 2004 09:33 (twenty-two years ago)

1. SOOK-YIN LEE – YOU’RE ONE OF TWO REASONS I OWN CORDUROY JACKET – NO NO - ((NO PREAMBLE)) I’M THE GRIMIEST MOTHERFUCKER IN THE GAME ((BELIEVE THAT)) – GREEN – GREEN – GREEN – GREEN – GREEN – GREEN - GRASS - WITH BRAIDED BRAIDED PIGTAILS OBVIOUSLY / BRIGHT WHITE WHITE PART IN CENTER OF HEAD + BEIGE CORDUROY PANTS + RED SUSPENDERS AROUND HIPS ((AS IN NOT OVER SHOULDERS)) + A SUNSHINEY YELLOW T-SHIRT + WE WILL BE OUTSIDE – AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL PATCH OF FIELD BETWEEN THE OLDERKIDS PLAYGROUND + THE SOFTBALL FIELD – REALLY GREEN GRASS IS NECESSARY + NO DANDELIONS OR OLD JUICEBOXES OR ANYTHING AROUND TO ATTRACT WASPS OR ANTS : ME = LIE DOWN IN THE GRASS ON MY BACK + PULL MY SHIRT TO MY NECK + HER = STAND OVER ME + CROUCH SO SHE CAN PULL DOWN PANTS A BIT + PEE IN A LONG RED MARBLEWORKS TUBE – I CAN’T SEE ANYTHING BUT HER WHITE ((STANDARD)) UNDERWEAR PULLED DOWN AGAINST TOP OF PANTS – CAN’T SEE TUBE EITHER BUT SAW IT PRIOR – LESS THAN I WAS EXPECTING BUT BRIGHT BRIGHT YELLOW + SHE WILL PULL UP HER PANTS + SAY “”YOU CAN LOOK NOW”” + LAUGH + HAND ME TOWEL ((WHILE TURNED PLACE END HALVES OF MAIN FOUR FINGERS ACROSS URINESOAKED CHEST + TAKE A TASTE FAST [NOT ENOUGH TO TASTE MUCH JUST A SALTY + BITTER URINE TASTE BASICALLY NOTHING SPECIAL HERE])) FOLDED UP ON GRASS BEHIND US + WHILE I WIPE OFF SHE ((TRIES TO)) THROW MARBLEWORKS TUBE OVER THE FIELD’S BACKSTOP BUT IT’S TOO LIGHT TO REALLY THROW + HITS SOMEWHERE NEAR THE TOP OF IT + FALLS + SHE SITS CROSS-LEGGED BESIDE ME STILL LYING DOWN + SAYS = “”THAT WAS GOOD RIGHT??”” I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU I LOVE I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE

I concur.

Sym (shmuel), Monday, 9 February 2004 09:34 (twenty-two years ago)

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cloverlandthug, Monday, 9 February 2004 09:47 (twenty-two years ago)

when i went to toronto with my mom last summer (i'd been to toronto lots of times before then but it was always straight to and from the airport) i really wanted to drive down yonge street and see muchmusic. i wanted to see it so bad. because it feels so whatever of that place, the red street cars going buy and busy yonge street and the corner and the big windows and all that stuff. but we were really busy and i never got the chance and i wasn't old enough to be put on the rental car license, so i couldn't take myself. it would have been one of the greatest experiences of my life.

cloverlandthug, Monday, 9 February 2004 10:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Cloverlandthug, it's a good thing you didn't drive down Yonge St., you would have been disappointed. The MM headquarters are at Queen and John!

grapeshine (grapeshine), Monday, 9 February 2004 10:09 (twenty-two years ago)

MM has really sucked since she's been the boss of programming

She hasn't been at MuchMusic for almost 2 years - she's now the President of Sony Music Canada.

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Monday, 9 February 2004 12:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Yet things didn't really change for the better after she left (and thank you for correcting me, Rob; I was expecting someone would). I guess MM's suck is her legacy.

Bryan (Bryan), Monday, 9 February 2004 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Ok, that wasn't a very good post. When I think of Donlon I think of 'Too Much For Much' and how for me that spelled the end of the MM that was. They were showing themselves overtly to be "responsible broadcasters" and somehow this ruined things for me. Perhaps I'm too much an old fogey but I miss the days when something like Bamff's "Crevice Tool" could be played in regular rotation.

Bryan (Bryan), Monday, 9 February 2004 15:03 (twenty-two years ago)

That's so dead-on about 'Too Much for Much'--absolutely cringe-inducing television, Donlon's attempt to turn a video station--one that, you know, played pop music videos--into something MUCH MORE socially significant and tasteful and good for you.

Williams actually had the guts to play Husker Du on the Power Hour metal show back in the mid-80s.

I never argued about Much's music selection or Michael Williams's taste in music (though I'm not so sure he should be credited with choosing any of those songs). I'm talking about him as a host, on television, introducing videos and interviewing rock stars. At which, he was embarrassing.

s woods, Monday, 9 February 2004 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

you guys know they don't pay their VJs very much, and they don't even pay their interns AT ALL!!! not even minimum wage!!!

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Monday, 9 February 2004 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

MuchMusic is a sweat shop!

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Monday, 9 February 2004 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess the idea is that they stick around there, get their chops then go off and make great shows like Ziggy's interview show or go off and join CBS news. Sarcasm truly is the lowest form of humour...

Bryan (Bryan), Monday, 9 February 2004 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

but they do get free clothes.

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Monday, 9 February 2004 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't remember Ziggy's interview show, but that video-romance-in-the-afternoon show (what the hell was it called?) was great for a short while--a funnier shtick than Ed, who's had his moments, too.

Um, what does what MM pay their VJs have to do with anything? Am I supposed to end each of my posts criticizing a VJ with "but they're not paid very well, so it's all understandable"?!

s woods, Monday, 9 February 2004 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

no no, I'm not saying that we should pity them for not being paid well, I'm saying that's all the more reason to heap scorn upon them!

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Monday, 9 February 2004 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Perhaps Huck's point is that apathy on the part of the VJs is to be understood and that if they show any enthusiasm at all it probably signifies a real love of what they do?

x-post (fuck I hate saying that!)
Heap scorn on them? Take the s off and maybe you've got something there.

Bryan (Bryan), Monday, 9 February 2004 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Christ, Huckleberry, what are they paying you around here to come up with this stuff?!

s woods, Monday, 9 February 2004 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Uh...I don't really know what I mean. The point is that when VJs are let go because they turn 26 or something, maybe it's a good thing for them. There was a post up thread about how Much pretends like they're low-budget, but they actually are! The whole CityTV/CHUM realism-wrapped-in-McLuhanisms is just window dressing for the fact that THEY DON'T SPEND MONEY!!! They have low production values not because they're breaking down the fourth wall, but because they like a healthy profit margin. Not that there's anything wrong with that...I mean, they're in business.
The current crop of VJs have nothing to do with music or journalism anyhoo. They seem way more like models.

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Monday, 9 February 2004 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

You might or might not be right (on that last point)...but do journalism/music credentials (whatever that means re: music; I assume all the VJs are at least music fans) really matter? I mean, once they're in front of the camera? (Not playing devil's advocate here...I just think some of the people on that station who had the strongest credentials in both those areas were also among the worst, though again, I'm talking about the alumni.)

s woods, Monday, 9 February 2004 18:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree with you. I wasn't trying to make any kind of qualitative indictment or anything. I just wanted to point out that there's really no comparing people like Laurie Brown or Danny Richler or J.D. Roberts with the current crop of Amanda Walsh and Rick the Temp and all the pretty people. Hannah Sung of all them seems to at least have some sort of semi-journo function, but the current VJs are not there because of any critical faculties. They're there because they look cute on TV. They're not even really personalities in the way that some of the earlier VJs were. They seem to be far more interchangeable.

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Monday, 9 February 2004 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

huck is otm about hiring based on appearance. it's actually the same at hmv - they hire people based on look rather than anything useful, like, say music knowledge or retail experience.

dyson (dyson), Monday, 9 February 2004 18:50 (twenty-two years ago)

haha hear that scott?

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I knew all those years in modeling school would pay off!

s woods, Monday, 9 February 2004 19:09 (twenty-two years ago)

are you on mm, scott?

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)

My God, this thread is like a laugh a second! No, er, I spent yrs in various depts at HMV. Never made the Men of HMV calendar, though, so I quit.

s woods, Monday, 9 February 2004 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

amanda: if you accept that the new template for a good muchmusic vj requires some combination of being reasonably hip, witty, and well-informed, then i don't really see what people dislike about her, other than the fact that she's blonde, young and has a tendency to play up her disingenuity which i guess could decode as 'ditz' if you're not paying attention. but anyway, yeah, she's good.

george: by far and away the best interviewer at much, which i suppose isn't saying much given the competition, but still. cloverland's otm re: his tendency to get a little high horsey on the news but i think part of it is in reaction to the fact that he's the only remotely political thinker on much's unbelievably partisan roster. plus i saw him going absolutely BATSHIT at dizzee and swigging hard on a bottle of water so, props.

hannah: i've actually emailed the new music about her. i can accept her pigeon-toed neologisms on muchnews but WHY sit her in front of honest-to-goodness musicians on tnm when she's only going to embarrass the entire show? granted, tmn has historically been hit and miss but when it was hit it was ON and old hannah is about as far away from a hit as rickyj. sample questions: to nick cave - "have you ever been depressed?", to supergrass - "so, do you believe in life on other planets?" (UGH) and to ladytron - "you only have two keyboard players and yet you bring more than two keyboards on tour...?" -> POSSIBLY THEY PLAY DIFFERENT ONES AT DIFFERENT TIMES HANNAH DID THEY NOT EXPLAIN THAT IN THE URBAN OUTFITTERS' CD SAMPLER LINER NOTES?!

rick: totally and completely a team-player, no opinions, steady, unthreatening, boring, always a bit late to the party but i guess i can see why they keep him around

rainbow: fired/quit for incompetency/lateness. made up for lack of personality with his ineffectual leechiness of other vj's schticks, namely bradford, which he aped at about 10% of the charm

sarah: new girl has nothing to say, but i guess we need to endure the growing pains for a while yet before making any judgement. she does that nervous tendency thing where she disguises her complete lack of content by restating already painfully obvious things in different ways, ie. on combatzone when voting tab graphic comes up: "britney's really kicking ass! wow, she's totally winning! yup, she's ahead of chingy right now..."

ed the sock: mildly funny in incredibly small doses, his ostensible puritan crusade against musical isms a convenient smokescreen for the fact that his is the most blatantly istic on-air personality at much

jennifer walsh: never, ever, ever been a fan, mostly because of her hamfisted 'political' sloganeering and her dorky haircuts. she tends to have this sad about to cry face on for about 80% of the time. the other 20% of the time she is reminding us that she is a b-girl and was in nelly furtado's video like three years ago but nobody recognized her cause her DORKY HAIRCUT was covered up.

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)

scott i once made february of the NEXT year but then they cut the bonus pages right before deadline, something about p2p and budget cutbacks

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Were there still staples at that point?

s woods, Monday, 9 February 2004 19:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Huckle was OTM with his comments. It's hard to believe that MM was home to the likes of Daniel Richler and now employs Rick the Temp. That's a good indication of just how far MM has fallen. I'm not saying that everyone has to be as literate as Richler, but at least he stood for something and wasn't just a pretty face. Even KCC was someone who you immediately paid attention to when he expressed an opinion. I think the 2 much for much comments were well stated too. It seems that MM tries really hard to position itself as anti-intellectual, so it seems really phony now when they try to be serious. How the hell was Dan Gallagher on air talent?

grapeshine (grapeshine), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, just not staplers

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

c'mon guys we're only about ten posts from someone realizing that muchmusic is only in it for the money!

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

the staples were affixed with scotch tape?

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

and btw everyone who says that donlon was the beginning of the end is completely otm

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

(well, guess that's chumcity and sony crossed off the old job search list!)

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

oh come on, I think the beginning of the end for Much was when the demographic pendulum swayed so far over to the side of the preteens.

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it was probably Donlon that chose to chop things up and introduce the other channels Much Loud, Much Vibe, Much Retro, etc. I miss the days when everything was together as one, like AM radio in the 80s.

may pang (maypang), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

uh, huck, who do you think precipitated that?

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

you mean donlon gave birth to all those litte brats?

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

*boggles*

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Did someone mention Village of the Damned?

s woods, Monday, 9 February 2004 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

plus isn't she married to a certain folk-singer who is sooo not-in-demand that he has the time to sit around in his poptart crumb-coverd bathrobe ggling his own name and then consoling himself by saying that his last name is very easily misspelled?
So like, she's nowhere near as hip as she thinks she is if she married that guy. Unless, like, she married him for love or something.

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Best Murrary however-you-spell-his-last-name review ever!

s woods, Monday, 9 February 2004 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)

The other MM.

Easy safe statement of the day from me: Donlon oversaw the MTV-ization of MM. Take that for what you will.

Bryan (Bryan), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

'member when sook-yin mooned the camera on her last shift? vidcap, anyone?

ken taylrr, Monday, 9 February 2004 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Say what you will.. I still like the stuff she did on the New Music.

may pang (maypang), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

actually bryan according to huck the sudden advent of this new thing called 'teenagers' led to muchmusic's reform by osmosis!

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

sigh.

so what? MuchMusic should have concentrated on media-savvy, book-reading, cynical demo instead of "look, it's shiny!" demo?

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yes I forgot, mark.
Funny Steve Anthony memories: the only "hip" thing about him was his little bracelets and his comment about Rush's 'Time Stand Still' video, "that's the last thing I'd want: a teeny Geddy Lee flying around my head!"

Bryan (Bryan), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)

what did daniel richler do at muchmusic?

cloverlandthug, Monday, 9 February 2004 20:33 (twenty-two years ago)

he worked on the newmusic for about a season

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:35 (twenty-two years ago)

anybody else remember his Big Life as being a really great/interesting show, if only for his freaky and frequent advocacy for legalizing dope!

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:43 (twenty-two years ago)

destroy his novel though.

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

big life was pretty good! richler ink. on booktv is exciting and controversial.

cloverlandthug, Monday, 9 February 2004 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Daniel Richler is Canada's Nick Hornby.

s woods, Monday, 9 February 2004 20:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw him doing an interview with Alan Dershowitz the other night. It was pretty intense.

may pang (maypang), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)

scott, am i way off on the hmv thing or something¿ i had few friends that worked the registers there and that was what they told me. if their "punk guy" quit they'd have to go find someone with spiked hair and pins through their nose. maybe it was just the one location that did this.

dyson (dyson), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, it wasn't true on yonge st. in the 90s, but I can't speak for now. (In fact, re: "pins through the nose," I understand that you don't stand a chance of getting a job there anymore if you HAVE nose piercing or visible tattoos.) I worked closely with a lot of people, and I'd say the majority at least knew their section well. Some people were more specialized than others, and no doubt there were some clueless ones too. As for encountering people who didn't want to help you--that's a different story.

s woods, Monday, 9 February 2004 21:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Crevice Tool! Holy crap - I'd totally forgotten about that.

Kim (Kim), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:40 (twenty-two years ago)

rainbow: fired/quit for incompetency/lateness. made up for lack of personality with his ineffectual leechiness of other vj's schticks

Did this guy even have a shift of his own? For awhile it was like everytime I turned on Much Music, he would jump on camera. Ex, Ed the Sock does "Smash or Trash", Rainbow is in the line-up. Bradford is throwing to videos, Rainbow is peering over his shoulder.

Juliette Lewis has not been mentioned yet ... she somehow managed to host Electric Circus while still maintaining cred

Wasn't her name Juliette Powell? She used to be a Musique Plus VJ. I actually thought she was really good on Much, and unlike most French speaking interviewers doing English language interviews, I thought she sounded really good (sometimes I see English acts interviewed on Musique Plus, and I feel bad for the announcers who don't realise they're being made fun of). I remember watching the Woodstock 99 broadcast on MP, and she jumped over from the MM side and seemed so happy being back with her friends.

[Amanda] just reminds me of that annoying girl on the busride home from school who'd talk about math tests and ponies.

This is the bestest thing ever written on ILM.

Vic Funk, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:58 (twenty-two years ago)

My only recent extended experience with MuchMusic was when I was at this falafel place on Commercial drive in Vancouver, via the TV atop the corner of the eating area... and there was this show where these two big high school boys from Hamilton, ON get to fly to Los Angeles and meet their dream hero.. Fred Durst.

They got to meet him, and Fred is so obviously tired and just pretending to be "yah, brah" with these kids and they talk for 10 seconds and then that's it. The kids were crying and trembling in excitement over having met their Jesus.

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 01:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Before that, i still have a bootleg tape of a MuchMusic tribute to the Smiths, where they played nothing but Smiths videos for about an hour. This was the only way to get those videos for the longest time, until something was officially released about 5 or 6 years later.

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I love that show,Gonna Meet a Rock Star.

may pang (maypang), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 01:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Kids are so stupid.

may pang (maypang), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 01:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I think we've "neglected" to mention Master T, Angela Dohrman (Steve Anthony, girl version) Nathalie Richard, and Jeanne Beker.

Kim (Kim), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 01:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Nathalie Richard was probably the hottest one of the lot. The french accent did wonders and it always looked like she was fucking the camera. Master T was really pretty annoying and set black people back about twenty years. Jeanne Becker.. I only knew her from FTV where she made it easier for me to get through puberty, what with all them boobies 'n all. They showed an old clip of her interviewing Iggy Pop the other week though which was pretty good. Iggy was wasted and mackin' on her pretty hard despite her uggliness. Good stuff.

And Angela Who?

may pang (maypang), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 01:24 (twenty-two years ago)

master t was the whitest person to ever appear on much music.

dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 01:43 (twenty-two years ago)

dyson i love you and all but: what?!

mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 01:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Master T's on air persona did seem very cartoonish and uh, safe.

Kim (Kim), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe you would've liked Master T if he was, uh, hard?
He was just being himself. I met him a couple times and, aside from being "on" for the camera and taking things up a level, he seemed very genuine, goofy, but genuine.
Black people aren't allowed to be goofy?

I had totally forgotten about Angela Dohrman. I remember her being sorta hot. Did she have shortlived CBC sitcom with a theme song by Bob Wiseman at one point? She was on Seinfeld once, I think. Erica Ehm was on Top Cops once.
I also met Natalie Richard once. I have no idea about her.
I wonder if the fact that the VJs used to be older than us and now they're (sometimes substantially) younger than us has anything to do with all this.

Huckleberry Denver, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 04:35 (twenty-two years ago)

by "all this" I mean our total unwillingness to accept the current crew as substantial, which is pretty unrelated to the rest of my post

Huckleberry Water Fountain, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 04:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I never minded Master T at all. And his co-host Roxy was sweet, too (I dated Roxy once, actually, but don't tell anyone).

s woods, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 04:51 (twenty-two years ago)

according to IMDB, Angela DohrmanN was indeed the infamous Donna Chang on Seinfeld. and her CBC show was Material World.
She also had recurring roles on Drew Carey (as "Suzie") and Nash Bridges (as Nash's sister Stacy).

Now you know.

Huckleberry Sandwich, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 05:08 (twenty-two years ago)

"Black people aren't allowed to be goofy?"

I meant the opposite actually - that he was probably encouraged to be (and ergo any hardness discouraged). Back then, in the Cosby era.

Not that this is a topic I feel especially qualified to slog through.


Didn't know that about Angela. Huh.

Kim (Kim), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 05:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Angela was the all time classic 'cause she got fired for saying FUCK live on air!

Bryan (Bryan), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 05:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Did she really? How did that happen? I don't remember her being around too long in any case.

Kim (Kim), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 05:41 (twenty-two years ago)

She was telling a crazy story and part of it involved saying OH FUCK and she just lost her head for a second and actually said it out loud live. Brilliant career move as she's done pretty well for herself.

Bryan (Bryan), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 05:43 (twenty-two years ago)

for the record, i was not bad mouthing master t by anymeans.
the roxy thing kinda weirded me out tho.

x-post. you can get fired for that¿ fuck¡

dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 05:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I thought it was kinda silly too.

Bryan (Bryan), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 05:45 (twenty-two years ago)

like he was really lonely or something.

dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 05:46 (twenty-two years ago)

D'ya remember the Simon guy who did the wedge: he seemed kind of depressed.

Jaromil (Jaromil), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 06:35 (twenty-two years ago)

'cause no matter how hard he tried he couldn't get a close shave.

Bryan (Bryan), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 06:47 (twenty-two years ago)

simon wasn't depressed, he was just extremely reluctant. iirc, his roots were in producing - he never ever had any intention of being an on-air personality and kind of got railroaded into it via city limits. i think he stuck it out for as long as he could bear to before retiring back to behind the scenes type stuff. i pretty much give him full credit for city limits though. didn't he produce that as well as host it?

mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

he hosted the wedge at first too.

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)

i like much music. not because it's great or anything but because watching it means that i'm in canada and that's a very good thing in itself

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

that's like me saying, I like being treated rudely.

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

canadians are the opposite of rude

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I live in Canada. I am rude.

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

okay, shit off then!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

:)

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

The Canadian idea of rude is quite different from everyone else. Here you're rude if you don't apologize to someone when they step on your foot.

Bryan (Bryan), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, my above thread about being treated rudely, was supposed to be a reverse what-you-said. Y'know.

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

that's why i like canada so much - people are friendly and polite and it's clean! it's a big change from london

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

people aren't rude in toronto? (they don't lock their doors, either, I hear.)

s woods, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I get annoyed by some of the "politeness" in Toronto, esp. when it involves the foot-stepping scenario that Bryan mentioned. It's like we're all a bunch of battered wives.

may pang (maypang), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't lock my doors, and I live in Toronto.

Alexis (Alexis), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

what's your address?

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I think people in the service industry in Toronto are miles ruder than people in the service industry in New York, for instance, but maybe that's not a fair enough way to make an overall assessment (and it's based on three trips to NY in the last seven yrs or something).

s woods, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)

what any of this has to do with the glory days of Much Music, I don't know.

s woods, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Angela Dohrmann didn't get fired for saying "fuck" she got fired for not saying "please."

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

She was telling a crazy story and part of it involved saying OH FUCK and she just lost her head for a second and actually said it out loud live

I'm pretty sure she didn't get fired for saying "fuck". A friend of mine showed me a video once of her saying "fuck" like ten times in a row to the camera, then being told she was on, then laughing hysterically because the floor director had been ignoring her so she had no idea. He said on the rebroadcast (this was back when Much did one 8-hour shift and replayed it twice) it was edited out.

Vic Funk, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 18:11 (twenty-two years ago)

When did they quite the 8 hour shift?!?! I got used to seeing it was nice and light out at 1am.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I get annoyed by some of the "politeness" in Toronto, esp. when it involves the foot-stepping scenario that Bryan mentioned. It's like we're all a bunch of battered wives.
Very OTM

Sym (shmuel), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

There was a special on Much over the holidays about things VJs and guests said that they shouldn't have and they replayed Angela Dohrmann's faux pas. It was on air because I remember when it happened (I think I even had it on tape as those were the days when I used to just tape the whole day). I remember no other explanation other than that for her dismissal, though she wasn't a great VJ either.

Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I think you have all seriously underrated my contributions to shaping the Canadian music industry and the Canadian Identity. Also, I showed that you can take the fruity hair off the head, but...

Bill W. (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I mentioned you Bill! You rock! How's Billy Corgan?

Sym (shmuel), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

How can you get that much product into your hair without having it drip down your face and neck, Bill?

Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I quote: "Since first stepping in front of MuchMusic cameras in 1992, Bill Welychka's popularity
has made him one of Canada's most enduring television personalities."

Bill W. (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.muchmoremusic.com/personalities/images/pics/bill_pic.jpg

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)

How come you look 12, Bill?

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I mentioned upthread he was menudo'd. I am now reiterating that statement.

Sym (shmuel), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't fully understand what you mean by Menudo'd, Sym. Back in those days, I only listened to the Cure, as you may have been able to tell by the Goth look I then sported.

Bill W. (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)

because you look 12, "bill". you're 12 years old and, like, 4'11" and have pretty, pretty hair.

dyson (dyson), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:02 (twenty-two years ago)

MOST ENDURING! ME! I ENDURE! NOT YOU! NOT THAT LITTLE SHITBAG RICK! ME! ENDURING!

Bill W. (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

That's actually probably true, as you have been VJIng for 12 years now. And you are still going strong! Rock on!

Sym (shmuel), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Wasn't her name Juliette Powell
Fuck, yes, Juliette Lewis that shitty actress who plays the same part all the time. Juliette Powell ... goddess.

Master T shed his whiteness whenever he interviewed a Jamaican artist. He'd suddenly shift into a patois dialect.

And let's stop the arguing once and for all -- Canadians ARE NOT RUDE. Conan said so on his show last night.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Bill, you always remind me of Howie Mandell, which is never a good thing.

http://www.thecomedystore.com/images/mandell.jpg

may pang (maypang), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:43 (twenty-two years ago)

the only reason i (speaking as a torontonian) apologise when feet get stepped on is because of the horrific fantasies i'm having of taking out a hunting knife and slicing said foot stepper from abdomen to throat. if that makes me polite, so be it.

x-post. wtf¡

dyson (dyson), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Fuck dyson are you ever OTM. I tink I've asked this before but does anyone know of a book or a section of a book detailing just how feared Canadian soldiers were in battle especially in hand-to-hand combat? I think we have this rage within us that can be terrifying.

Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)

If I needed to, I would love Mandell. I would do this by imagining he was actually Howie Mandrell. I love Barbara Mandrell and her sisters. Sometimes, I pretend I'm one of them. I'm a very pretty girl.

Bill W. (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)

any book on ww1 will attest to this.

best x-post evah

dyson (dyson), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyone who thinks Torontonians are polite ought to try going into the path and holding a door, any door, for anyone, waiting for a thank you or even a smile. You'll be waiting a long time.

Kim (Kim), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Kim is so OTM it's not even funny.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:21 (twenty-two years ago)

(although it's more of a Toronto thing than a Canada-wide thing)

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:22 (twenty-two years ago)

You'd get told off for that here in most cases. I received thank yous from people in Toronto for door holding so it's not always the case.

Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyone who thinks Torontonians are polite ought to try going into the path and holding a door, any door, for anyone, waiting for a thank you or even a smile. You'll be waiting a long time.

Though if you were to hold out a hat and not take a shower for three days and you might get some change in return.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:07 (twenty-two years ago)

?

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Canadians have terrible escalator ettiquette!

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah it's a very passive-aggressive politeness. That's why we love hockey so much.

Sym (shmuel), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

God, we really need to stop doing this.

Kim (Kim), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Doing what?

Sym (shmuel), Thursday, 12 February 2004 00:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, man.. don't get me started on the escalator thing. PEOPLE, THIS IS NOT AN AMUSEMENT RIDE. THIS ISN'T THE EX SO GET THE FUCK OUT.OF.MY.WAY!@

may pang (maypang), Thursday, 12 February 2004 01:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, In Your Space. What's up with that?

may pang (maypang), Thursday, 12 February 2004 01:03 (twenty-two years ago)

walk left, stand right.
Not stand left and right and stare at the celling.
If it weren't for the respect I have for my homie JP Da 2nd I would have killed some of those World Youth tourists.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 12 February 2004 01:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Phew, I'm glad it's not just my own cultural relativism problem.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Thursday, 12 February 2004 01:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Judas Priest, part the second (post-RH, or post-post-RH?)?

Huckleberry Wrong, Thursday, 12 February 2004 01:35 (twenty-two years ago)

While its partly that. But just be glad unlike Julio, you weren't here during A) the Garbage strike and b) 500,000 or pilgrims staring at any old building near the Eaton Centre.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 12 February 2004 05:42 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
I partied with Rainbow on Saturday and he was a really funny guy.

I don't like how MuchMusic is trying to talk like the shittier variety of ILX posters these days with the random social criticism and snarky tone, it's a little weird.

LC, Wednesday, 31 March 2004 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)

"social criticism"?!

mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 13:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Well I don't like using the word 'cultural' because my friends say it too often but I probably should have said 'commentary'. MM is getting a little too 'finger on the pulse' for me.

LC, Wednesday, 31 March 2004 13:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah, I totally find MTV Cribs to be a little too heavy-handed as well.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Too Hot for Much was a little preachy. Also a little stupid.

Sym (shmuel), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I used to work at HMV and I'd say I'm relatively nice looking. But I got hired on my hip hop knowledge and quota-filling blackness.

Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Well Sym my problem with Too Much For Much has always been that it's the kind of thinking that thinks it's responsible because it occasionally finds a conscience and "takes a step back." I don't remember learning to think critically about music vid sex and violence from that show - when I was a kid the only reason I'd watch it was because there was guaranteed skin (Dis Moi, Dis Moi!). But generally I was talking more about how Much used to just have fun showing videos and now it sounds like a blog or webzine (I think that's where they're getting it from, too).

Huckle-Buck, you're the stand-up guy, right?

LC, Thursday, 1 April 2004 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

when I was a kid the only reason I'd watch it was because there was guaranteed skin
haha me too. Though i was probably a lot more impressed by third-rate ethical philosophizing back then. The Vjs actually do bitch about pop music or skin in videos a lot, which is weird considering that's the only thing they play. anyways, 2 much 4 much is generally uninsightful

Sym (shmuel), Thursday, 1 April 2004 01:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Posting solely to correct horrific oversight, re: exclusion of Monica (Monika?) Deol from reminisces.

Well, I thought she was hot. Also, I used to see her all the time in Yaletown when she was living there.

minolta (minolta), Thursday, 1 April 2004 06:36 (twenty-one years ago)

LC, I am most defintely a stand-up guy. I got yer back, homes.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Thursday, 1 April 2004 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...
I loved the early years of MuchMusic & MusiquePlus!! Please email me at dj70@hellokitty.com if you have ANY old VHS tapes of those channels from 1984 to 1995. Erica Ehm was my fave VJ. My fave show was the Saturday editions of "R.S.V.P.". That show was great!! Natalie Richard, Christopher Ward, JD Roberts, Michael Williams, Steve Anthony, Laurie Brown, Ziggy Lorenc, Denise Donlon, Master T., Dan Gallagher, & Terry David Mulligan were all the best back then!!

Denise, Friday, 23 April 2004 09:38 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...
i'm about five months too late but i wanted to throw my two centz into the ring

the mm enviro according to Much Narc 2004

erica ehm: ditzy but nice

michael williams: a bit of an egomaniac but cool

steve anthony: i can confirm that he was a major cocaine addict for much (pun intended) that ultimately got him laid off. lord only knows how he still works in this town as his reputation is shit. i always found him pretty funny and spent the summers of 1989 and 1990, when i was too old for camp but too young to work, waching much music all afternoon. i remember wanting hair like him for a long time.

christopher ward: awesome. super cool guy, knowledgable. charles camanbear (sic)... classic.

teresa roncon: sexy and sweet and an interesting juxtoposition for the leather bands she'd interview in dank dungeons.

natalie richard: my friend once met her and said she had "cottage cheese" on the back of her thighs.

kcc: he once shoved my sister into a wall during a much music tour.

dan gallagher: test pattern was ace. nice guy but he was so obese, you kinda knew he wouldn't live long.

jana lynn white: pretentious bitch but sexy

daniel richler: prententious bitch but swarthy.

avi lewis: see above

terry david mulligan: probably a bit of a dick in real live but i couldn't help but like his style. anyone remember this kids show he used to host called zig zag? it was later hosted by a couple of hacks called biff and barf/barth?. it was pretty hilarious, didn't make a lot of sense. barf was rick duncam or something... he played tom hanks' neighbour in "the burbs" and biff must've gotten into radio voiceovers because i hear his voice on the radio all the time. i'd pay cash if anyone had zig zag on tape

mike and mike: kinda liked this show for a while. it was cheap as hell but great slice of no-fi cancon poop.

monika deol: she alledgedly had a cocaine problem too which accounted for the fact that her nostrils were perpetually flared.

sook yin lee: she was ok but like a fish out of water. she always tried to prove her cred by saying dumb things on tv ("i don't have a driver's license'). nice lady though, she once shared her french fries with me at a beck concert at the concert hall. her cd's were ass although bob's yer uncle did some ok stuff.

bill welyncka: kind of a hack but nice fella. i think he started doing the country show "outlaws and heroes". definitely picked it up a notch when he cut that ridiculous hair.

diego fuentes: huh?

rebecca rankin: i remember when she did a milk commercial in the 1980's. my cousins went to school with her in north toronto and said she was a snotty bitch.

the guy with the long hair who does the between hour spots: y'know, there's one where he's a janitor and some guy comes into the washroom and tells him to shut the fuck up? this guy is hilarious. I remember there was once this 5-minute spot where he played a door-to-door interviewer that made no sense. a definite bright light in a grim late 1990's station funk. i saw him eating cake at future's bakery at younge-st clair many a time.

rick the temp: a consumate hack/dork in every sense of the word bu good for him because i'm sure he's a nice guy. not sure how's he's worked at much for 10 years without picking up a single shard of musical knowledge but whatever. his interviews with nsync were just terrible.

ed the sock: anyone remember the original program at newton cable in north york? i won't say too much because i know the guy behind the puppet but if anyone wants some interesting stories, email me

amanda: my friend says she looks like the joker because her mouth is always in a weird grin. very cute girl although doesn't know anything.

nam kwoewthdghksjrg: she was really cool but probably too smart to stick around. not sure why she's doing this basketball thing but whatever.

george s: really nice guy, fairly knowledgable but his ego is a bit of a put off. him and bono riding in a limo was total ass. met him when he was producing overnights at the fan 590 in the mid-1990's. definitely the best of the current crop and a good guy all around.

rainbow sun franks: a cunt. easy.

bradford how: just a total joke and a symptom of a dying station. exhibits the typical overcompensating, annoying personality of small town folk who move to the big fucking city.

hannah sung: the girl will fuck anything that moves yet masks it all with her boring persona. i know way too many girls like her.

sarah taylor: saw her eating lunch in yorkville about 2 weeks ago. seems kinda listless.

IF ANYONE WANTS TO TRADE NASTIER STORIES ABOUT MUCH PERSONALITIES, EMAIL ME. THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF I JUST DIDN'T THINK WAS APPROPRIATE TO POST ONLINE.

Much Narc 2004, Friday, 3 September 2004 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

the guy with the long hair who does the between hour spots: y'know, there's one where he's a janitor and some guy comes into the washroom and tells him to shut the fuck up? this guy is hilarious.

I think his name is Carl Armstrong - he works for Much / CHUM as a videographer / editor. Met him several times - VERY nice guy.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 3 September 2004 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)

You are totally wrong about everything.

Bill W, Friday, 3 September 2004 13:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey NARC,
How about NARDWUAR??
doot doodle doot doot . . .

aa, Friday, 3 September 2004 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

rachel perry?

aa, Friday, 3 September 2004 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Because of the 20th anniversary, there's a list of what former VJs are up to now if anyone cares: http://www.muchmusic.com/tv/specials/muchturns20/familiarfaces/

Vic Funk, Friday, 3 September 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks for the link, that was interesting.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 3 September 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

narc that was awesome

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 3 September 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

notably absent from your post and that link tho: ZIGGY

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 3 September 2004 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Was she actually on MM or just CITY-TV?

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 3 September 2004 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

She was on Much.
Weird how all but a few are still working for CHUM though.

Huck, Friday, 3 September 2004 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)


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