Metalheadz Platinum Breakz - why is Doc Scott's Unofficial Ghost retitiled on the US version of the PB set?

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On the US versh of Platinum Breakz "Unofficial Ghost" becomes "Fabio's Ghost".

Flattering for Fab, all the same, but why retitle?

― paul c (paul c), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Or am I displaying my Asperger's (I got a 25 on the AQ test) too publically?

― paul c (paul c), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)

what does this cd sound like today? i would assume horribly dated?

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

"rider's ghost", innit and no, it sounds remarkably un-dated, really.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

(unsurprisingly it's all the stuff released just prior to dnb going shit en masse)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

i suppose it sounds dated compared to volumes ii and iii, which still sound like they could have been released yesterday.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 19:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Rufige Kru's VIP Rider's Ghost opens the set. And in no way is this dated. Sounds superwow, to my ears.

Lemon D's In My Life is simultaneously tender and brutal.

― paul c (paul c), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

paul you wuss i scored 32!

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

― paul c (paul c), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 19:35 (twenty-two years ago)

― paul c (paul c), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

i can't be distracted from noticing tiny track name changes.

― paul c (paul c), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

But if you scored 32, how are we impinging on your consciousness? Are we being rilly loud or something?

― paul c (paul c), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

unsurprisingly it's all the stuff released just prior to dnb going shit en masse

Heh, quite. I was looking at that and my old Speed Limit comps the other day...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

vahid,

I sent you an email about what you might like in trade for the reinforced cd. Let me know what I can send to you.

― paul c (paul c), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I have speed limit 140 BPM plus four right by my desk, in case I need to rinse out mightily.

― paul c (paul c), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

the hidden agenda tracks on all three platinum breakz are the platinum shiznit.

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

so any ideas about the track name change?

― paul c (paul c), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

"fabio's ghost" is the b2 on rufige kru's "ghosts" ep on reinforced.

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Thank you Vahid.

― paul c (paul c), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

metalheadz really released some amazing music, didn't they? i have this feeling they're going to suffer at the hands of the recent wave of goldie-is-a-twat/ragga jungle re-revisionism (and maybe rightly so...better congo natty than photek any day), but still kind of sad.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

i think there's room in the world for both. I'm looking forward to Remarc Unreleased Dubs (Planet Mu); the Remarc Soundmurderer set astounded me.

― paul c (paul c), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

The darker moody stuff, like "Ghost", "Peace Love & Harmony", "Shadowboxing", Shadow 100, "Metropolis" hold up pretty amazingly well except for a blatant time-stamped sample sound here or there. I think it's the acid-bassline stuff that's stuck back in its day.

Just got a copy of Shy FX's "Sound of the Beast" EP in the mail today...

― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Headz have some quite good stuff lined up! good Dylan and Bad Company tracks and the new Rufige Kru album. Photek's last 12" sampling "Grindin" wasn't bad either.

― ryan kuo (ryan kuo), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry i'm late - some cool recommendations for me to check out, excellent - need to backtrack on Metalheadz post PB3 big time (seemed to be just endless re-rubs of Terminator, Angel and Kemistry coming from Rufige Kru in between filming for Eastenders, hmmm...). 'unofficial ghost' aka 'i listened to this track once in the middle of the night with all the lights off during a heavy electrical storm and SHAT MY PANTS'

well the lst bit isn't true, but it was still bloody scary

have been grabbing a load of John B stuff from around 2 years ago - it's fucking superb, the man is a god

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 26 February 2004 00:34 (twenty-two years ago)

and i would also argue that music that sounded this futuristic at the time couldn't really date so rapidly

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 26 February 2004 00:36 (twenty-two years ago)

really? visions is shit

― mullygrubber (gaz), Thursday, 26 February 2004 00:39 (twenty-two years ago)

what does this cd sound like today? i would assume horribly dated?

I listened to this a couple of weeks ago. I put it in expecting it to sound awfully dated, but that wasn't the case at all. It sounded amazing.

I was going to start a thread about it, but never did.

― Debito (Debito), Thursday, 26 February 2004 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Visions was his first album right? 'Secrets' is great, didn't really hear anything else he did (remember a couple of things but yeah not so hot - but the man has been reborn this century, you only have to check out his physics-defying haircut now to realise)

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 26 February 2004 01:39 (twenty-two years ago)

hidden agenda > source direct > photek

they did a track called "dark jazZoR"!! the eps that they stole the tracks for the platinum breakz from are probably their best output.

definitely search their remix of "the wall with paintings" by reflection. it starts out with plucked bass and an almost two-steppy drum pattern. then odd treated guitar plucks start bouncing around, first hanging in space like chimes, then stretching across the stereofield like honey. there's a bit of static that comes out of the left channel, shaped like a icicle, stretching into the right channel, ascending, then filtered until it breaks up into a weird skitter, like talons unfolding or something. but the whole thing has this very 70s mellow jazz vibe - someone called it "slowed-down cop show theme music" and i might agree with that. anyway, it's hot.

source direct had the "two masks / black domina" ep that people should have been paying attention to instead of "ni ten ichi ryu". "stonekiller" a bit over the top but "mind weaver" off their album is pretty great in technicalitch style. actually tech itch kind of makes later "source direct" irrelevant for me. (did anybody else ever hear "diagnostics"??)

photek was always listenable but looking back the tracks haven't so much dated, it's just that they're awfully ... quiet. i put on middle section of "modus operandi" at full blast a couple weeks ago expecting to be blown back against the wall but it just sort of clattered away in the background. the super-minimal oriental tracks would be great if those cymbal crashes really made your head ring and eyes wobble or if the big kodo drum shook your knees but the sound is so bone-dry it just doesn't have an impact. anybody care for the tracks he does as "special forces"

j. majik = has gone completely to shit

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 26 February 2004 01:57 (twenty-two years ago)

shame about J. Majik. "Your Sound" from Platinum Breakz quite captures me.

I'm going to find my copy of Diagnostics and reacquaint myself.

Didn't Technical Itch become Kosheen?

― paul c (paul c), Thursday, 26 February 2004 04:54 (twenty-two years ago)

no - kosheen was his homie, decoder (gah! shit name alert!!)

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 26 February 2004 04:58 (twenty-two years ago)

"the hidden agenda tracks on all three platinum breakz are the platinum shiznit."

Yes! "Dispatch "2" FOREVER!!!!

But yeah I concur with Platinum Breakz and esp. "The Unofficial Ghost" being the immortal shiznit. That whole rhythmic danger thing I was banging on about a few months ago was inspired by the snares in "The Unofficial Ghost".

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 26 February 2004 04:59 (twenty-two years ago)

"no - kosheen was his homie, decoder (gah! shit name alert!!)"

With Substance, right? Plus the singer obv?

I can remember when "Hide U" first hit d&b clubs. It was like the most amazing thing in the world at the time, esp. because DJs used to sandwich it right between really hard evil stuff like Total Science or Bad Company.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:01 (twenty-two years ago)

vahid (and tim) have you ever heard hidden agenda's "fish eggs" on reinforced (from around 98 or so i think)? totally creepy, "on the corner" bizness...maybe the most detailed dnb track i have ever heard (though it's got nothing to do with the riddim). if the two-step had gone in this direction (or optical's "to shape the future" to stay on metalheadz) i might have not minded so much...

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 26 February 2004 12:00 (twenty-two years ago)

allow all the Photek bashing. what that man could do with rhythm and atmosphere is still unmatched...

― martin (martin), Friday, 27 February 2004 00:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Except by virtually every other jungle producer ever. . . (and I like some Photek stuff, but come on really.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 February 2004 00:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Goldie/Rufige Kru's early stuff still sounds immense and could really do with compiling. That's slightly off-topic I think but there you go.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 27 February 2004 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Reinforced should just reissue all its early stuff. :(

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 February 2004 00:34 (twenty-two years ago)

It was one of the big marketing blunders of the jungle years don't you think? - Goldie had a ton of press claiming him as this amazing dance auteur and the tracks which made his reputation were going unheard, if he'd put out a Deepest Cut style history album before Timeless things might have been very different.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 27 February 2004 00:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, but that was always the push/pull of jungle, the desire to show everybody how amazing this shit was fighting with the urge to keep it all your little secret.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 February 2004 00:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Reinforced should just reissue all its early stuff. :(

How happy I'd be, for one, if Reinforced did exactly that!

― paul c (paul c), Friday, 27 February 2004 00:40 (twenty-two years ago)

allow all the Photek bashing. what that man could do with rhythm and atmosphere is still unmatched...

if by "atmosphere" you mean the aura of anticipation and hype surrounding the guy in 1995-1997 then yeah i'd say you're right. i've never been as excited to hear an album as i was "modus operandi" ... then i puzzled over it for weeks trying to figure it out ... i thought i had the key when i realized the cover was a the photek symbol projected through a lightbox onto a wall. eventually i gave up. all the excitement made the eventual letdown that much worse!

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 27 February 2004 00:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Modus Operandi is boring as fuck (like every other overlong "drum and bass" LP from that period.) Some of his 12" are alright (and I always sorta liked the videos from Modus.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 February 2004 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

re special forces: something else... still sounds great to these ears. it's ass-shakingly good in fact.

what are the opinions here on solaris?

i always preferred tracks like k.j.z. to modus... same period, but it didn't suffer from the necessity of being included in an album.

one of my favorite dnb tunes is demonseed by exocet. it's uh, goth dnb.

there's no doubt in my mind that the first two metalheadz comps still sound great...to shape the future!

― tricky disco (disco stu), Friday, 27 February 2004 01:00 (twenty-two years ago)

The photek album I will agree was not great but it was just a comp of all the early 12" with a few remixes thrown in.

When the 12" themselves were released I hunted them down one by one as they came out cause no one had his touch at that time. I remember being really blown away the first time I heard water margin (didn't age well) or the seven samuri (can still easily groove to it in my head). He was ahead of the game there for a while and then just kind of fell in line with the rest.

The prototype years by grooverider is an excellent comp of early stuff in the same vein as much of the discussion below. Locust by Ed Rush was and is awesome.

― hector (hector), Friday, 27 February 2004 01:07 (twenty-two years ago)

The photek album I will agree was not great but it was just a comp of all the early 12" with a few remixes thrown in.

That's not Modus Operandi. That's Form & Function which would have been fine if it hadn't include 6 superflous remixes.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 February 2004 01:10 (twenty-two years ago)

prototype years by grooverider is an excellent comp of early stuff

word to that. don't forget lemon d's "city lights" and dillinjas "silver blade". even better if you can find the 2cd version with the mix, it's got the dom & roland with optical remix of boymerang's "still", which is "absolutely devestating - LIKE THE BORG" (i think that's what grooverider says in the liner notes)

see, though, that comp had the cover where you would tilt it to one side and groove's head would cut away to reveal the x-rayed skull beneath. like a biohazard cover or something, a bad sign of things to come.

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 27 February 2004 01:14 (twenty-two years ago)

so am I to understand that everyone hates "Inner City Life"?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 27 February 2004 01:15 (twenty-two years ago)

hmm. don't you think the photek mixes are actually sort of cool? to hear seven samurai refigured as a stepper? also i like how j majik rearranges UFO so that the situation is reversed - the weird backwards reverbed synth hits at the beginning start you off IN THE UFO with the aliens. i can't recall exactly what he does with the beats but i remember it was high-tech and mystical and at the time i thought "well thank god j majik isn't falling off".

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 27 February 2004 01:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I still like it. It's definitely over-baked though.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 February 2004 01:17 (twenty-two years ago)

ah that was an x-post to you alex.

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 27 February 2004 01:18 (twenty-two years ago)

(are you talking about goldie or photek now?)

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 27 February 2004 01:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I've long since sold Form & Function, but I remember at the time wishing they had done two separate CDs, one with remixes and one with all the singles (although that would have been pretty long too, and one of the reasons I sold it was that it bored me after a half-hour.)

(x-post: Goldie above, Photek now.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 February 2004 01:20 (twenty-two years ago)

i think 'Inner City Life' changed my life, which sounds pretty lame now, but there you go

i liked Photek's house and breaks stuff too

did anyone ever get the first Source Direct album 'Exorcise The Demons'? (Call & Response, Dubstar, Love & Hate - the latter quite OmniTrio-y) did they release any more?

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 27 February 2004 01:23 (twenty-two years ago)

me too re inner city life stevem! double lame that i heard it on gilles peterson?

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 27 February 2004 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

actually when inner city life came out I wanted to like it, hearing all the earlier stuff and loving most metalheads, but ended up selling it back. It was too prog for me I guess.

Does anyone here have any love for t power? The first time I heard mutant jazz it floored me.

― hector (hector), Friday, 27 February 2004 01:31 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah. and the first record lp too. what happened then? why did he go breakz?

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 27 February 2004 01:33 (twenty-two years ago)

ok good, I couldn't find a Goldie thread. for the record, it's one of my favorite tracks ever. those "string" textures are really amazing to this day.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 27 February 2004 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)

who knows about t power, did you hear waveforms? That was out of leftfield, but kinda cool. The breaks stuff by him didnt appeal to me, although at the time I did like some breaks stuff.

― hector (hector), Friday, 27 February 2004 01:38 (twenty-two years ago)

i heard waveforms a couple of times...it was, ah, interesting

that first lp was pretentious as fuck but it had tunes!!!

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 27 February 2004 01:40 (twenty-two years ago)

for sure

― hector (hector), Friday, 27 February 2004 01:50 (twenty-two years ago)

i still really like half of timeless

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 02:45 (twenty-two years ago)

The same half you liked when it originally came out?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 February 2004 02:48 (twenty-two years ago)

he had the right idea to release a single cd edit...unfortunately he chose the wrong cd

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 02:49 (twenty-two years ago)

photek is still shit though after 1996 (tops)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 02:49 (twenty-two years ago)

anything reinforced released before 1995 > photek

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 02:50 (twenty-two years ago)

when was hidden camera ep? thats a great one

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 27 February 2004 02:51 (twenty-two years ago)

hidden camera might have been 1997, you're right

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 02:52 (twenty-two years ago)

i still think you can tell everything about a jungle fan by which label is their favorite

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 02:54 (twenty-two years ago)

late 96 i think. modus op was 97 and the ep preceded it. plus i remember where i was when i bought it.

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 27 February 2004 02:54 (twenty-two years ago)

That EP is the only Photek CD I would ever recommend anyone buying.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 February 2004 02:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it's amusing that it took forever (nearly TEN years after the first hip hop CD) for hip hop to release it's first single artist double CD and it took drum and bass no time at all (shit that Goldie album is like the among the first 10 non-comp CD dnb CDs, isn't it?)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:00 (twenty-two years ago)

first five probably!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:02 (twenty-two years ago)

and even then we'd need to get reeeeeaaaaall broad.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Timeless is 96 or 97?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:07 (twenty-two years ago)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:08 (twenty-two years ago)

hard to believe!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:08 (twenty-two years ago)

"inner city life" was 94

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Really? I didn't realize it was so early. Fuck then yeah it really is like only the third or fourth album. And all the other ones are super fuckin' long too (cuz A Guy Called Gerald and the 4Hero ones came first, right?)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:09 (twenty-two years ago)

neck and neck for sure. 28 guy bad boy was like 92-93, though, which is utterly amazing.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha shit EVEN ELP waited a bit before they released a double LP. Honestly, what were these people thinking?

I've never actually heard all of 28 Gun Bad Boy, AGCG definitely needs to get that and Black Secret Technology (which is AT LEAST findable) reissued (cuz that !k7 album gives him a bad name.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:22 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, god essence is such shit. i mean, it would be passable if ANYONE else had released it.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:23 (twenty-two years ago)

the jungle crew get misty eyed yet again. have you GOT 28 gun bad boy jess?

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:25 (twenty-two years ago)

i think it's amazing that suddenly everyone thought they could move single artist jungle albums post-timeless, so like you have all these solo lp's from shy fx and mc det floating around out there with three or four good tracks on them.

x-post: yeah, i do. haha god, we're worse than indie people.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

4hero is my killing joke

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:27 (twenty-two years ago)

HONOUR Jacob's Optical Stairway! just doesn't have the same ring to it somehow.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:33 (twenty-two years ago)

i still think you can tell everything about a jungle fan by which label is their favorite

ok then, personality assessment for the following labels:

moving shadow, renegade hardware, no u turn, metalheadz, reinforced, looking good, true playaz, dope dragon, certificate 18

(am i forgetting any? i'm a reinforced fan, myself)

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 27 February 2004 04:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Sub Base, no?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 February 2004 04:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I would have to stand by metalheadz, but I liked reinforced as well and some of the early moving shadow stuff was ok. Never did get into looking good though. LTJ Bukem just didnt appeal.

― hector (hector), Friday, 27 February 2004 04:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh wait and White House and Formation too!

(I pick Sub Base, but mostly because it's the only one that didn't end in complete suckiness.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 February 2004 05:11 (twenty-two years ago)

everyone ALWAYS forgets sub base. i'm a reinforced guy.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 05:22 (twenty-two years ago)

i always thought sub base was part of moving shadow or vice versa, though i think i got that impression from the fact that they're always licensed together on old compilations ... you'll find a lot of comps that are 99% moving shadow + sub base

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 27 February 2004 05:27 (twenty-two years ago)

If you counted the two as one they would be unstoppable. "Open Your Mind" and "The Slammer"?? "Unity In Dub" and "Lords of the Null-Lines"?? etc. etc.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 27 February 2004 05:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha why though!?!? Shit they was around for longer than all but Reinforced (Moving Shadow, too maybe.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 February 2004 05:33 (twenty-two years ago)

(x-post to Jess)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 February 2004 05:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I used to LOVE this and I had totally forgotten about it. I had a *sigh* double-cassette of it.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 27 February 2004 05:40 (twenty-two years ago)

"Haha why though!?!? Shit they was around for longer than all but Reinforced (Moving Shadow, too maybe.)"

I think if DJ Hype had stayed with Sub Base he might have dragged up their profile. Reinforced and Moving Shadow both had star acts during the crucial 95-96 critical rehabilation period. Sub Base weren't really a "star act" sort of label.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 27 February 2004 05:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Were they even releasing stuff by 1996? And by 1995-6 who did Reinforced have (Goldie and 4Hero were gone, right)?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 February 2004 05:56 (twenty-two years ago)

reinforced had j majik, arcon 2, leon mar, nookie and some lower profile guys like g force and so on.

though if you were smart you were buying reinforced's comps and also getting tracks by goldie, 4hero, doc scott, lemon d, l double, guy called gerald, etc.

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 27 February 2004 06:08 (twenty-two years ago)

i deeply regret that dego never went anywhere with his "da true b boy descendant" project. the one track that exists, "the blue nile", is totally stunning. like jacob's optical stairway gone all jaaaazzzyy. but instead of smooth string patterns we get these scattered, hyper layers of piano and synth that bounce off the syncopations of the drums. the rhythm section is ruffer and more muscular than JOS ... it sort of reminds of lemon d's "jazz is", or other later reinforced stuff, in that it's got that beat-heavy 2step feel to the beats while also staying all warm and polyrhythmic ... kind of like a cut-up "spaced invader" at half speed, maybe??

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 27 February 2004 06:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Sub Base put out their "History Of Hardcore" comp in 96 - maybe it was end of 95...

Single-artist jungle LPs pre-Timeless:

Gerald's two, The Deepest Cut, 4 Hero, Nookie's The Sound of Music... there weren't even that many hardcore LPs I don't think!

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 27 February 2004 08:09 (twenty-two years ago)

the d'cruze album?

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 27 February 2004 08:25 (twenty-two years ago)

the more rockers album?

both are 95

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 27 February 2004 08:32 (twenty-two years ago)

hardcore albums - prodigy, altern-8, shut up & dance X2, ragga twins, first 4hero, acen, sonz of a loop da loop era, arguably nookie...?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)

hi strongo. there are more than 4 good tunes on that shy fx record.

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 27 February 2004 13:03 (twenty-two years ago)

[yeah, i was just guessing. i have never heard it.]

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

sock drawer challenge? 28 gun bad boy (i haven't heard it) vs that shy fx record

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 27 February 2004 13:26 (twenty-two years ago)

oi, yr on.

[also, check ~~gareth's~~ charlton lido's folder for that "a london sumtin" bbc docu i talked about on technicolor a while back...worth downloading if you havent already.)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 13:28 (twenty-two years ago)

nice! i haven't. i will. i haven't even yet heard that ruff squad mix.

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 27 February 2004 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

while we're here - mark ryder: c/d, s/d etc

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 27 February 2004 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)

and, uh, yr gonna lose. that shy fx record might be the most exciting rtecord ogf the last 15 years. gangsta rave!

also i am drunk.

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 27 February 2004 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

strictly underground heat: lionheart - lion theme, md-emm - got any hardcore, hackney hardcore - caught wiv a spliff.

what with most people here being sus about any gentrification/bastardisation of rave, i reckon su is the purest a label has got to the rave ethic (even when they were doing sub-par speed garage tunes). i just love the parochial, crowd-pleasing rave-as-community feel to it. there was one mark ryder tune that was like helicopter tune but was so bludgeoned by its constant ups and downs that it sounded like the blades were gonna come off. any ideas?

x-post - are you talking about 'the formula', i love how it sounds like shy is playing the basslines on his keyboard in real time. the year it came out it was picked by tortoise as one of their records of the year in the wire (sorry)

― nebbesh (nebbesh), Friday, 27 February 2004 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)

no talkin bout "jus an example". i dunno th e ryder tune yer mentioning, but i feel lik i might be listening to SU this weekend.

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 27 February 2004 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

fyi jess (as i pointed out to gareth) and others the 'London Sumting Dis' docu was NOT BBC but was made for and shown on Channel 4

― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 28 February 2004 02:30 (twenty-two years ago)

BBC actually did a radio-only documentary in '96 about the scene which focusses more on the TUNES than the C4 doc - we get Gerald talking about '28 Gun Bad Boy's motives and his other big darkcore track of the time 'Glotch', all the expected refs are made - 'We R E', Smith & Mighty's 'Killer' and so on. i will try and find the cassette if i still have it back home...

― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 28 February 2004 02:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Mark Ryder's 'Get Down' was a tune i was tempted to post on the '500 tracks that deserve more mention on ILM'

― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 28 February 2004 02:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Rave albums - Classic or Dud?

one of my earlier threads...

― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 28 February 2004 02:37 (twenty-two years ago)

the dj rap/navigator lp "intelligence" on proper was 95 too. dunno if it was before or after timeless.

― mullygrubber (gaz), Saturday, 28 February 2004 04:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Where on SLSK can I find this documentary?!
I remember seeing it at the time, and have longed for it to turn up again.

― flimflam, Saturday, 28 February 2004 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Vahid (in particular) and anyone else who knows,

What's your opinion on Hidden Agenda's "Whatever happened to" album? I just bought a copy from Half.com.

That it's on Straight Ahead confuses me.

Cheers,
paul

― paul c (paul c), Thursday, 4 March 2004 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

it's mostly kinda middling breaks stuff -- not so hot :\

― ryan kuo (ryan kuo), Thursday, 4 March 2004 19:14 (twenty-two years ago)

gazzo did you ever get the gerald then?

that shy fx album is blinding. (he sure did like him some goodfellas.)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 4 March 2004 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)

i did strongo i did. it made my day. the techno tracks are well lush too.

― mullygrubber (gaz), Thursday, 4 March 2004 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...

Woah, so I found a Japanese version of the Shy FX album (with "Simple Tings" as the bonus track) and it's fantastic (strangely enough I also found a new copy of 28 Gun Bad Boy on eBay recently.) Forget only 3 or 4 good tracks, there are NO bad tracks on Just An Example! Easily my fav jungle full length.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 23:53 (twenty-one years ago)

funny how uk apachi is renamed abdul wahab cos he'd renounced his evil ways.

― mullygrubber (gaz), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 08:20 (twenty-one years ago)

i bought Euphony/Just 4 U London remix 12 in Chicago

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 09:11 (twenty-one years ago)

how much did you spend? (i NEVER see hardcore/jungle 12s in the US.)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 10:07 (twenty-one years ago)

like a brazen harlot it was cheap and whispering "take me home daddy-o!" (sorry can't remember exact price and won't arrive for another week of two but maybe the sticker's still on the sleeve)

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 11:02 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...

so how much was it steve?

these threads always make me feel warm and fuzzy.

― jess, Wednesday, 11 August 2004 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Me too. They often briefly reaffirmed my faith in ILM (before something else shatters it again.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

well, here we are again. *sniffles, wipes eyes*

― gaz (gaz), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i think it was $6, i still don't know, i haven't been back to my Mum's to pick it up

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

[image of steve's mum brocking out]

― gaz (gaz), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

that's why i had to move out

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

three years pass...

Ha ha Vahid what's the relationship b/w what you say about Photek in this thread and what you say about him in the other thread. Apart from four years and more whiskers.

― Tim F, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 07:00 (seventeen years ago)

well i don't think i really listen to d'n'b expecting to be "blown back against the wall" so it's easier for me to listen to photek without being upset by the quiet. similarly the overbearing loudness / toughness / aggressiveness of source direct isn't necessarily as impressive as it used to be. mind you that at the time, i might've said that ram trilogy's "molten beats" was in my top 5 d'n'b albums. of course i still rank those early hidden agenda tracks over photek and source direct.

as far as the qualities of the music, i think they read the same way to me - it's just that i'm more or less receptive to those qualities based on, uh, years and whiskers.

it's always weird, how some stuff that seems really really weak in the context of a cultural moment can seem really amazing a few years down the line ...

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 07:44 (seventeen years ago)

i'd like to find a copy of "risc vs reward" ... and i'd like to get some opinions about ram trilogy's "molten beats"

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 07:45 (seventeen years ago)

i'd like to find a copy of "risc vs reward" ... and i'd like to get some opinions about ram trilogy's "molten beats"

-- moonship journey to baja,

they have a copy in my local record shop (or they used to). where do you live vahid?

― sam500, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 07:57 (seventeen years ago)

bay area

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 07:59 (seventeen years ago)

i'm in tokyo right now so p&p could be a bit dear. cd is cheap though.

― sam500, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 08:01 (seventeen years ago)

Do you mean the Photek EP collection thing, vahid? Cuz that's cheaply/easily obtainable online (amazon z-shops, ebay, et all) even if you can't find it at Amoeba?

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 18:54 (seventeen years ago)

there's copies for $2 on amazon, i know. i would like to see it in person because it would be a nice impulse buy ...

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:46 (seventeen years ago)

Haha it's actually pretty good. It's just the right amount of Photek for me.

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 20:52 (seventeen years ago)

I picked up the Metalheadz' represses of Photek's Natural Born Killers EP, Goldie & Doc Scott's "VIP Drumz/VIP Ghosts" and Doc Scott's "Drumz '95/Blue Skiez" the other day.

Photek's "The Rain" is pretty amazing, as good or almost as good as "Consciousness". "Into The 90s" is downtempo but for once not embarrassing.

― Tim F, Thursday, 17 April 2008 03:12 (seventeen years ago)

embarrassing downtempo?

― blueski, Thursday, 17 April 2008 06:13 (seventeen years ago)

Drum & bass guys doing downtempo was usually embarrassing IMO, like DJ Cam with worse production. The drums often sound really bad. Admittedly not a problem with Photek but this is actually pleasant not boring.

― Tim F, Thursday, 17 April 2008 08:31 (seventeen years ago)

hmm that's interesting. 'Into The 90s' was one of the first tracks of that kind by DnB dude that I heard. it was on a Muzik giveaway tape and Goldie claimed it was proof they could do Mo Wax type stuff no problem. there wasn't really a lot of downtempo stuff from their ilk after that tho? I like a lot of the 'Box Set' stuff tho - and Earth 3...nothing where the drums seem particularly bad tho - any specific examples you have in mind?

― blueski, Thursday, 17 April 2008 09:24 (seventeen years ago)

Ha ha check the Fanu album, the downtempo stuff on that is awful.

But i'm also thinking of stuff like the downtempo tracks on the Foul Play album, the album version of Reprazent's "Watching Windows" which I never much liked, "State of Mind" obviously... I'll have to remind myself of the others.

― Tim F, Thursday, 17 April 2008 12:41 (seventeen years ago)

love that version of 'Watching Windows'! plus the first four tracks on this - nothing amazing but v pleasant, competent stuff

did love 'State Of Mind' at the time but less so now - 'Believe' on 'Saturnz Return' still sounds nice tho, got that Loose Ends 808 nod

― blueski, Thursday, 17 April 2008 13:05 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah "Believe" is good.

Much prefer the version of "Watching Windows" that was released with the video clip, though I don't have a copy.

― Tim F, Thursday, 17 April 2008 13:36 (seventeen years ago)

two years pass...

Drufftape 03 – Ed Rush & Doc Scott Feat. MC Flux

― sam500, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 14:07 (fifteen years ago)

Those were the days...

― sam500, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 14:08 (fifteen years ago)

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