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50 Cent: Not Homophobic/"Ain't Into Faggots"

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sez pg 6 anyway: http://www.nypost.com/gossip/16940.htm

March 10, 2004 --

50 CENT likes lesbians, but his warm and fuzzy feelings don't extend to gay men. The bullet-riddled hip-hop star — who says his late mother was bisexual — tells Playboy: "I ain't into faggots. I don't like gay people around me, because I'm not comfortable with what their thoughts are. I'm not prejudiced. I just don't go with gay people and kick it — we don't have that much in common. I'd rather hang out with some straight dude. But women who like women, that's cool. I could actually get into that, having a woman who likes women, too. We might have more in common."

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

wow. what a surprise

― Mitchell (Mitchell), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

what is it with Playboy Interviews that make people say dumb shit? mel gibson, jimmy carter & now fiddy...

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sure the lesbian community is touched.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

well, they do have a lot in common.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

what is it with Playboy Interviews that make people say dumb shit?

it's really simple: they ask, they get answers. they're fantastic interviews.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I heard the lesbian community has beef with Murder Inc.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

just announced: Indigo Girls tour with Fiddy!

― The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

oh cmon guys i think yall can work some more hilarious lesbian material out of this- keep reaching for that lol thread!!

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

You sound disappointed.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

trife is stalling while he figures out a way to say that it's racist to say that 50's full of shit

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Mm.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

actually, this isn't as bad a thing as all that. at least he doesn't say "I'll kill a faggot" or anything.

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah good thing none of ilms fav rock n roll guitar dudes are homophobes so we can start threads abt how we're better than them too

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

haha i mean uh 'too bad...'

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

But we do, don't we?

― The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

trife you are layered like a burrito

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

im an conundrum wrapped in an enigma smothered in secret sauce

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

trife's response: wow. what a surprise

― ..., Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

he got shot nine times

in the face

with male spunk

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah good thing none of ilms fav rock n roll guitar dudes are homophobes so we can start threads abt how we're better than them too

it was Killer Mike who said shit tho, not Andre (ho ho)

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

two in a row??

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

haha

everyone on planet earth in paying attention to rappers homophobia while not giving a shit about their misogyny non-shocker of the new millenium

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

this thread is mad gay.

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm pretty sure any rock guy saying that would get called on it here. I'm also pretty sure that most people's listening/not to said rock guy wouldn't change - same goes for 50 Cent.

xpost wasn't that Rockist Scientist thread that went on for 8000 posts a month or 2 ago all about rap misogyny?

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah if anything I notice misogyny cited more often, here or elsewhere.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

(someone go dig up some old rock writing - possibly by lester bangs if you can - about how the essence of rock is misogyny and all this faggot bullshit is transitory and damaging and fake so we can square the circle.)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i wouldn't have posted a thread like this myself, whether it was a rapper or a rock star. what i want to know is how John B feels about the gays. i reckon he is totally cool with them, even lets them into his house and kiss in front of kids. holler back b!

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm never gonna make that lol thread again now

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

wanna bet?

― ..., Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

haha ronan i direct you to any review of common ever (before he starting dating erykah badu at least)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

com sense is crazy with the homophobic tourettes though...i think he got molested by paul lynde as a kid or something.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Somebody ask Caushun what he thinks.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, don't.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

this is a good opportunity to highlight the difference in opinion towards Jack White and 50 Cent. Jack White attacked someone physically. 50 Cent made some comments about not liking homosexuals (tho he didn't attack a gay man physically). So which is worse? Who deserves more disdain?

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it may be different here. I don't know if I've ever read a Common review or if he even gets reviewed, what do you mean?

I guess around the time of Eminem there was a massive focus on the homophobia thing but from your average man on the street I'd have thought misogyny was more what they'd criticise, mind you I don't for a second think that people criticising this sort of thing in music is necessarily related to how they themselves behave. What is and isn't offensive can become a sort of aesthetic football, obviously.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

well the average man on the street usually isnt jumping to criticize homophobia anyway is he?? unless there are cute girls around

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

anyway the gist of most of 50's Ja Rule disses was "haha ur gay" so why are people feigning surprise now? because it's in an interview? has Eminem successfully trained everyone into believing that rappers can't be held accountable for what they rap about, it doesn't necessarily mean anything until you say it outside a song?

bonus points to anyone who can find a clever way to work that "I ain't into faggots" line into In Da Club in place of "I ain't into havin' sex".

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

No but my point was in discussions of hiphop, if someone is criticising it from that sort of moral standpoint I'd have thought misogyny was what they'd attack more than homophobia, this ties in with your cute girls comment I guess.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd rather doctor it so he says 'i'm into sucking dicks' then giggle like a schoolgirl and run off quickly

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes the received wisdom is -

hip-hop: misogynist
dancehall: homophobic (there's just as much sex talk in dancehall as in hip-hop but it tends to be treated as jolly slackness)

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

and thus are the differences between the uk and the us rendered clearly yet again.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

No but my point was in discussions of hiphop, if someone is criticising it from that sort of moral standpoint I'd have thought misogyny was
what they'd attack more than homophobia, this ties in with your cute girls comment I guess.

So it's alright to be homophobic as long as you're misogynist too?

― The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

to re-iterate i think it is interesting that nobody is really criticising Jack White for beating Von Bondies dude up, I guess that relates to the point $$ was making in a way. But one male rock star beating male rock star up is seen as no big deal, childish but bravado all the same. change it to male rock star or rapper beating up GAY male and the hell breaketh. which, as i say, is interesting, to me.

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

but I live in Ireland!

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

anyone who thinks rote "step on chi-chi man" lyrics are height of rapped homophobia hasnt listened to much ca$h money

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

anyway, i think critizing rap en masse for misogyny has only really taken off (again?) in the last few years with the ascendance of the nu-p.i.m.p. aesthetic.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Thats why I said "received wisdom" - following up the man-in-the-street stuff. I think most people would assume hip-hop was homophobic too but over here at least misogyny is what it gets criticised for.

Oh you can add

garage: violence

to my list too!

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

jack white is also a big creepy racist

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

his sister is hot though

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

how is jack white a racist? examples please.

― jack cole (jackcole), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)

haha oh god

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, I'm almost surprised he phrased it quite as charitably as he did. While you could arguable that his discomfort at the presence of gay men is rooted in some deeply homophobic assumptions (such as "they'd try something funny, maybe kiss me, maybe rape me, if they could"), he's not making some super-exaggerated macho threats to scare gay men off. Sure, this distinction is cold comfort at best, but...

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)

recontextualization continues to rock my world daily:

change it to male rock star or rapper beating up GAY male and the hell breaketh. which, as i say, is interesting, to me.

-- stevem (bluesk...), March 10th, 2004.


but I live in Ireland!

-- Ronan (ronan.fitzgerald6NOSPA...), March 10th, 2004.

trife get off it, 50's comments above are completely full of shit and you know it, and people get pissed at them (Occam's Razor applies here) because they are full of shit

xpost: I think the deal is that Jack White is racist 'cause his last name is White. Hope this clears things up

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

his name is white for christ's sake jack. next you'll be telling us you don't sell coal.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post julio otm.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

heh

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

(OT: Is it me, or does grime/garage seem considerably less misogynist than, oh, US crunk or anything remotely comparable?)

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

not julio but John D, that's what reading quickly does for you.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

don't get me wrong -- I'm no fan of Jack White, but if Trife is going to say he's a racist I want some evidence or at least the basis of his theory and I pray to god Darnielle isnt right.

― jack cole (jackcole), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

oh i get it. so then barry white was a racist too.

― jack cole (jackcole), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Mike, maybe it does, but then grime doesn't have big budget videos full of booty-shaking hired models, and the lyrics as Tico points out are more concerned with violence than 'bitches' - they usually go hand in hand tho.

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

but then grime doesn't have big budget videos full of booty-shaking hired models

ironical then that the new So Solid vid 'So Grimey' features just that - it ain't grime tho

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

yes. and jim west hated people from the east.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

All Brits are sexually repressed Mike, you know this!

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

ts: ethan saying indefensible stuff that at least might provoke debate vs. john's kneejerk attempts at (lamely) shutting him down

i don't think jack white's a racist. i think he's a moron with a very poor grasp of irony.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Out of interest how did the interviewer follow up 50 Cent's comment? Did s/he call him on it or was it just 'ohhhh, ok, on to the next question then'?

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

ethan saying indefensible stuff that at least might provoke debate

About what, though?

i don't think jack white's a racist. i think he's a moron with a very poor grasp of irony.

I think this is something we can all agree on.

Tico's question urgent and key.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

strongo is there a single shitty opinion trife can flex that won't give you a hard-on?

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

haha 'shitty opinion'?? ppl told me he ws a racist!!! george tenet is so fired

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry trife it's just like for once it'd be nice to hear you denounce a stupid thing said by one of your idols instead of defending it/going on the counterattack

also as you know I am pissed at you for not making the Atlanta show

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

haha john is there a single opinion (shitty or otherwise) you can offer on ths thread?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

WHITE blood sells duh

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

this morning i've been listening to millie jackson's concert acapella where she tells people in love - "don't bend over, you'll get the shock of a lifetime!!"

is that homophobic or merely prejudiced against anal sex?

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

no strongo I got no opinions just the FACTS

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

vahid it's FUNNY!

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

i dont know how anyone can be prejudiced against anal sex

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

But what point would this thread serve if it was just ppl who like 50 Cent going "God, yeah, that's stupid!"? No offense Fritz if that's what you intended - maybe we should have a rolling 'pop stars saying idiotic things' thread.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.ilxor.com

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

i dont know how anyone can be prejudiced against anal sex

It could be like the Sneetches where some can and some can't.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

re atl- sorry john!! im tryin to hit the luda/chingy/d.banner show this thurs tho, you shd troop down

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

i didn't intend anything really, just posted it because I thought people would be interested.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

you haven't heard the delicious skit on "back down" - now that's funny!! how is this headline news??

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

i might be at that luda show, depends on if i'm still sick (which is likely, so uh nevermind)

― Adrian (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

delicious, do they know me??!!

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)

haha john is there a single opinion (shitty or otherwise) you can offer on ths thread?

but to answer this directly: I think it's really sad, not to say a little troubling, that when 50 Cent says something like "I ain't into faggots," you & trife scramble to point out 1) many other people are racist/homophobic! 2) there are bigger problems! 3) some people who denounce 50's homophobia might themselves have distasteful biases! 4) etc without so much as a "yeah, OK, 50 does seem like something of a dickweed" first - instead, the predictable indictments of Lester Bangs, the great ghost nation of "rock journalists," et al. Which smacks of kneejerking counterattack. So um nyah.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

nooow everything WAS cool...til fif-ty CENT came back in the picture

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

why is Jack White's grasp of irony so bad? i'm not sure i see that

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

oooh john you KNOW big things come in small packages!! HOLLA!!

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

john when did i say any of those! maybe they didnt teach reading comp in indie rock school, but my first post was actually DECRYING 50's misogyny and lamenting the fact that no one bothers to start threads when rappers say something misogynistic!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

strongo you will JET LI his ass!!!

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post to stevem: perhaps you missed when a man who has spent his career studiously copying the period between 1963-1972 called rap a "low form stuck in 1986".

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:01 (twenty-one years ago)

ethan if you keep drinkin at work you're gonna get fired

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:01 (twenty-one years ago)

anyway, i have to go eat my lunch now which is more exciting than 50 cent, misogyny or ilx!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)

no i know White hates on rap and dance a fair amount, but wait up he did work with Mark Ronson recently!

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Which proves that he hates rap.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

i always wondered if people had conniptions when eddie murphy did his bit at the beginning of raw, and if they've cut it out now that he's been caught cruising for transvestites.

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

what's worse: 50s low-level ambient homophobia or 50s high-level in-your-face self-hatred?? (insert practically anybody in that equation, eddie murphy or 50 or whoever)

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

strongo otm re: lunch

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:08 (twenty-one years ago)

mmm . . . lunch

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

to re-iterate i think it is interesting that nobody is really criticising Jack White for beating Von Bondies dude up, I guess that relates to the point $$ was making in a way. But one male rock star beating male rock star up is seen as no big deal, childish but bravado all the same. change it to male rock star or rapper beating up GAY male and the hell breaketh. which, as i say, is interesting, to me.

I think you'd have a better point if took out the "Gay" bit, because the bigger double-standard here is all the attention drawn to 50's violent past, while Jack White gets a free pass.

― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i aint into no dieters. i dont like thin ppl around me, bcz im not comfortable with what their thoughts are. id rather hang out with some fat dude. but, woman who like lunch, i can actually get into that. we might have more in common.

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

damn I wanna have what Strongo's eating.

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

not even Dieter Brummer?

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)

strongo is meg ryan!!

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)

hey Billy

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

my how we tempt Carruthers...

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

accusations of racism fly on ILM. "shockah"

some of you might learn a lot from this site: http://blackpeopleloveus.com

― don, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

that's funny because it's not

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:30 (twenty-one years ago)

don do people like you feel this little surge of pride when you click submit and think you've gotten one over on "ilx"?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)

anyway i was SO otm that my sandwich was more interesting than this

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

i am really fighting the urge to go make another one

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

my bagel with black bean hummus was kind of like the cam'ron of lunches

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

my top ramen was the 50 cent of lunches

― scissors (Honda), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

strongo, master of bait and switch

― jack cole (jackcole), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm just gonna eat popcorn, which I guess is just the Tone Loc of lunches.

― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

my waffles with maple syrup was the Snow of breakfasts =[

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

What kind of sandwich was it, Jess?

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

don do people like you feel this little surge of pride when you click submit and think you've gotten one over on "ilx"?
-- strongo

no but i do get it when i get one over on you MEESTER KETTLE

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

a mash-up of 50 cent and the gayest song ever
(say new york city boy, or
you think you're a man by divine)
is absolutely necessary.

― piscesboy, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, I'll post this one more time, but every god-fearin' NYC woman knows this:

New Study Links Homophobia with Homosexual Arousal

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Psychoanalytic theory holds that homophobia -- the fear, anxiety, anger, discomfort and aversion that some ostensibly heterosexual people hold for gay individuals -- is the result of repressed homosexual urges that the person is either unaware of or denies. A study appearing in the August 1996 issue of the Journal of Abnormal Psychology, published by the American Psychological Association (APA), provides new empirical evidence that is consistent with that theory.

Researchers at the University of Georgia conducted an experiment involving 35 homophobic men and 29 nonhomophobic men as measured by the Index of Homophobia scale. All the participants selected for the study described themselves as exclusively heterosexual both in terms of sexual arousal and experience.

Each participant was exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual and lesbian videotapes (but not necessarily in that order). Their degree of sexual arousal was measured by penile plethysmography, which precisely measures and records male tumescence.

Men in both groups were aroused by about the same degree by the video depicting heterosexual sexual behavior and by the video showing two women engaged in sexual behavior. The only significant difference in degree of arousal between the two groups occurred when they viewed the video depicting male homosexual sex: 'The homophobic men showed a significant increase in penile circumference to the male homosexual video, but the control [nonhomophobic] men did not.'

Broken down further, the measurements showed that while 66% of the nonhomophobic group showed no significant tumescence while watching the male homosexual video, only 20% of the homophobic men showed little or no evidence of arousal. Similarly, while 24% of the nonhomophobic men showed definite tumescence while watching the homosexual video, 54% of the homophobic men did.

When asked to give their own subjective assessment of the degree to which they were aroused by watching each of the three videos, men in both groups gave answers that tracked fairly closely with the results of the objective physiological measurement, with one exception: the homophobic men significantly underestimated their degree of arousal by the male homosexual video.

Do these findings mean, then, that homophobia in men is a reaction to repressed homosexual urges, as psychoanalysis theorizes? While their findings are consistent with that theory, the authors note that there is another, competing theoretical explanation: anxiety. According to this theory, viewing the male homosexual videotape may have caused negative emotions (such as anxiety) in the homophobic men, but not in the nonhomophobic men. As the authors note, 'anxiety has been shown to enhance arousal and erection,' and so it is also possible that 'a response to homosexual stimuli [in these men] is a function of the threat condition rather than sexual arousal per se. These competing notions can and should be evaluated by future research.'

― maria b (maria b), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

tax dollars a go-go!

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

The penis becoming erect as a response to threats? How did this evolve? Did our hominid ancestors use their schlongs as swords in some kind of courtship battle?

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

i can't think of a new-ish 'rock star' whose opinion anyone would give a fuck about any more. but, if there were one (ok, jeff tweedy maybe?) the journo wouldn't be hassling them for their opinions on homosexuality.

― g--ff (gcannon), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah whats the DEAL with penises!!

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

homosexuals be usin their penises like this

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

New Study Links Homophobia with Homosexual Arousal
WASHINGTON (AP)...

that may be entirely true, and it makes all the sense in the world to me, but it's most definitely not an AP story. that's somebody's press release.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

haha you give the ap too much credit

― g--ff (gcannon), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

anyway it's from 96

― g--ff (gcannon), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

all i give the AP credit for is knowing how to follow their own style guide. which i am reasonably sure was in effect even way, way back in 96!

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

96 = 69. Huh-huh-huh-huh.

― butthead (latebloomer), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

i just wanted the date posted, didn't mean anything re: the content

ap science stringer not giving a fuck, distance between press release and news story approaches nil shock horra

― g--ff (gcannon), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

non AP story being posted on internet as AP story shock horra

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

anyway, that's a rad study!! kudos to the poor r.a. that had be all 'oh, your a homophobe? terrific, now hold still while i clamp this electrode on your cock.'

― g--ff (gcannon), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

i'll make the lol thread yet

― g--ff (gcannon), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

cock? more like pineapple zombie blowjobs!! *grins*

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

(and that's a good thing)

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

homosexuality is like so gay.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

"don do people like you feel this little surge of pride when you click submit and think you've gotten one over on "ilx"? "

i just don't know why such an intelligent bunch of folks get so stoopid when race is involved. i've seen people get called racist for not liking hip-hop, and all sorts of other petty things like that. people should chill-out a bit, that's all.

xx

― don, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

it seems like most ppl just use the blackpeopleloveus joke as an excuse not to be nice to black ppl

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

rent-a-negro.com is funnier anyway

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe.. but i'm not gonna go round saying to my black friends "oh fucking hell man.. i feel so bad about *my* people stealing *your* peoples music.. but hey, i like reggae so thats cool yeah?"

i don't see the point in defining myself by the things i can't control (e.g. where i come from, what colour i am, what sexuality i am etc) and i'm certainly not going to feel good / bad about things that other people who share those criteria have acted.

maybe this is why i don't follow sport...

― don, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

wait are you seriously saying you dont see a point in ppl defining themselves by sexuality, birthplace, ethnicity, etc??

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

yes absolutely.

― don, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

and if you think race has no bearing on who you are there are still alot of other ppl who want to base your social and economic status on it so its disingenuous to pretend it doesnt matter

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

btw mtv news has a story on the 50 interview too now, with some more details about what he told Playboy: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1485657/20040310/50_cent.jhtml?headlines=true

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm aware of that problem $$. my point is that we shouldn't be judging each other by those criteria i mentioned. i'm aware this is idealistic, but some people who i believe would consider themselves enlightened and free of prejudice, are in fact encouraging it by judging others on those bases.

― don, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

The sandwich issue has not been covered to my full satisfaction.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:35 (twenty-one years ago)

if its on MTV Al then now it IS important!

anyway what I wanna know is where 50 stands on gay marriage. (haha and all the ppl. jocking 50 on this thread for that matter). [well not all, i know j0hn D. is gonna be alright on this for ex.]

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

?

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry jordan, it was a pastrami on rye with coleslaw and russian dressing and onions, with a pickle on the side. (okay two, i stole an extra one.)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Is there any valid argument against gay marriage?

― maria b (maria b), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

so you should define yourself by those things because other people do??

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

red onions or regular white onions?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

And thick coleslaw or crappy supermarket coleslaw?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I am at peace.

(a very Semitic sandwich btw)

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

very thin sliced red onions are good on sangritches.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Very thin sliced red onions are Gods of foodstuffs. With a steak melt? Damn....

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

ignoring race is the luxury of the white middle class

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

yes red onions thinly thinly sliced are not to be trifled with.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

& with capers! yikes.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

haha

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah man, if you caramelise those onions... I've never gone caper crazy with them though. Now, gherkins, that's a side.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

The middle class? Ignoring race? A luxury?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

it was good, non mucous-y coleslaw. sadly i believe they were white onions.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

oh man i want another one so bad right now

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

michael SHHH!!!

― $$, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

gherkins are a luxury of the white middle class

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

oh but who am i kidding they're fucking delicious

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Gherkin guilt: C/D?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

oh man dont talk about the pickels. christ i didnt even go to the gym today. being a pudgy white middle class man with a jones for a pastrami on rye is a luxury of the white middle class.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

When you crazy Americans say pickles, you mean pickled onions, right?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

no pickled cucumbers

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

pickles are actually one of those foods that are so nutrisious that you lose weight throught the exertion of eating them. like celery or cheeseburgers.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

That does sound like an amazing sandwich. All sandwiches should have coleslaw in them.

― Broheems (diamond), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

i was 15 before i knew pickles were cucumbers and not a seperate food entity

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

i am going to go dunk my head in a pickle barrel

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

pickled onions we usually call "x-treem mega-mini-onion treets" in north america

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

All sandwiches should have coleslaw in them.

A bold claim. Also wrong.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)

pickled onions we usually call "x-treem mega-mini-onion treets" in north america

If you're not being sarcastic I'm applying for citizenship tomorrow.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)

>ignoring race is the luxury of the white middle class

Since when does a hip-hop fan turn up his nose at luxury? I say if you've got a perk coming to you, deserved or not, fucking wallow in it. Perks are too few and far between in this life already.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

ignoring "ignoring race is the luxury of the white middle class" is the luxury of ilx

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)

haha so wait like a free pickle at the deli is the same as white privlege now?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

It might be a very good pickle.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

i wish pickles hadn't gotten themselves mixed up in all this.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

well it was a JEWISH deli, fritz

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

and we all know about them

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Fritz was right about the pickle thing too: they have 0 calories. 0 calories!!

― Broheems (diamond), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 22:07 (twenty-one years ago)

But how mush salt?

― anode (anode), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

pretending that "being working class means I'm excused from everything I accuse all other white people of" is the luxury of Trife.

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm going on an all pickle diet starting now

― cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Pickles: Vlasic or Dud?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

posting lost of posts about unrelated ephemera as an attempt to diffuse potentially volatile argument is disappointing. its a mediocre tactic at silencing debate.

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 22:12 (twenty-one years ago)

well it was a JEWISH deli, fritz

Well, that explains my suspicions. You semitist.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 22:13 (twenty-one years ago)

wiggas wanted to know about my sammich, gareth...I GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 22:14 (twenty-one years ago)

(i can't help it jordan...they make a mean sandwich)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 22:14 (twenty-one years ago)

You can also eat as many pickles as you like and never cramp

― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 22:14 (twenty-one years ago)

i was just hungry! volatile argument yourselves out.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

ignoring race is the luxury of the white middle class
-- $$ (...), March 10th, 2004.

Use of "$$" as signature, in the context of what he/she said = 1989-ish Spike Lee didacticism (heartfelt, perhaps grown from a kernel of truth, but ultimately spoilt trustfunded buppy banter).

― maria b (maria b), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

maria b, trife may be fulla beans on a lotta points (and he is), but "trustfunded" isn't an adjective you can throw at his ass. We come from the same side of the traxxx. He came away from it believing that having suffered racism justifies any/all foul behavior is all.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 11 March 2004 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

he's not a buppy either!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 March 2004 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

waitaminit, trife is white?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 11 March 2004 00:42 (twenty-one years ago)

And we go into extra innings here...

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 11 March 2004 00:43 (twenty-one years ago)

actually my question seems to have silenced this thread entirely. hmmm.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 11 March 2004 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread has been locked by a very tired admin.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 March 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

so to sum up, it's not okay for rappers to hate on gays but it's not okay for us to hate on them for doing that either as they've had a real hard time and it's socially ingrained and this is invariably double standards - i'm still not clear on whether beating people up is worse or not, but i'm really looking forward to some quality sarnies when i go to the States

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Come visit OC and I'll beat you up, how's that?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:19 (twenty-one years ago)

"Welcome to the OC, bitch!!"

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)

No, how many times must I say, the 'the' does not apply except in fever dreams.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:21 (twenty-one years ago)

what's wrong with 50 cent feeling uncomfortable around gays?

― asfdzxc (asfdzxc), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

they're not going to bite him

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)

hard

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah but black people read minds

― asfdzxc (asfdzxc), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:24 (twenty-one years ago)

faggot's bitch is cuffed and she start tellin

― asfdzxc (asfdzxc), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

damn

― asfdzxc (asfdzxc), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:26 (twenty-one years ago)

what's wrong with 50 cent feeling uncomfortable around gays?

nobody should feel uncomfortable around a gay person just because they are gay - it's a bad attitude that needs eradicating, but who is anyone to enforce such a change of stance?

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe its a generalization of his experiences with gay people. maybe he's noticed recurring personality traits that he finds undesirable?

― asfdzxc (asfdzxc), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:34 (twenty-one years ago)

oh yeah because all gay people are alike just like black people. that makes perfect sense.

― jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:36 (twenty-one years ago)

no, gay people are more feminine

― asfdzxc (asfdzxc), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:37 (twenty-one years ago)

that's about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Quick, someone find some "bear" pictures to post.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:38 (twenty-one years ago)

ilx in taking bait of someone who posts under the name " asfdzxc" shockzzzzzzz

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:40 (twenty-one years ago)

i bet bears would be more popular with 50

― asfdzxc (asfdzxc), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:40 (twenty-one years ago)

god i wish i still had a copy of that 50 cent gay slash

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:41 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah its fucking hot

― asfdzxc (asfdzxc), Thursday, 11 March 2004 01:44 (twenty-one years ago)

maria b, trife may be fulla beans on a lotta points (and he is), but "trustfunded" isn't an adjective you can throw at his ass. We come from the same side of the traxxx. He came away from it believing that having suffered racism justifies any/all foul behavior is all.
-- J0hn Darn1elle (edito...), March 11th, 2004.

Fair enough, but my intention was simply to throw the egg at Spike Lee's face and smear a bit of it onto this $$ guy for harboring such a similarly Bamboozled sentiment.

― maria b (maria b), Thursday, 11 March 2004 02:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder what the gay version of Bamboozled would look like? Perhaps Jim J. Bullock could play Eminem.

― maria b (maria b), Thursday, 11 March 2004 02:11 (twenty-one years ago)

so to sum up, it's not okay for rappers to hate on gays but it's not okay for us to hate on them for doing that

right. because neither gays nor women are "actually" oppressed in any way. glad to see you getting with the program, stevem

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 11 March 2004 02:39 (twenty-one years ago)

"dude are you being sarcastic?"
"i don't even know anymore"

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 11 March 2004 02:44 (twenty-one years ago)

"dude.. that guys guitar is talking!"

"thats nothing.. my shoes are talking"

">>Don't worry.. we won't hurt you.. we only want.. to have.. some fun<<"

― don, Thursday, 11 March 2004 02:46 (twenty-one years ago)

"SONIC YOUTH'S IN MY COOLER!"

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 11 March 2004 02:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Manwich

― Sym (shmuel), Thursday, 11 March 2004 04:39 (twenty-one years ago)

oh cmon guys i think yall can work some more hilarious lesbian material out of this- keep reaching for that lol thread!!

massive xpost

50 Cent - the black Phranc White?

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 11 March 2004 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Homophobes = Fuckwits
50 Cent = Homophobe
*therefore*
50 Cent = Fuckwit.

― Simon H., Thursday, 11 March 2004 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

well done

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 11 March 2004 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

i would like to know what brought the issue up in the first place actually. what business is it of someone like 50 Cent to pass comment and opinion about matters such as these these days? why is it thought that his view on something like this is something that should be touched upon in an interview for Playboy (I guess the nature of that mag provokes talk of sex which in turn can lead to talk of gender and related), but was it just natural circumstances that the matter came up or was the interviewer goading him into saying what it comes as no real surprise (sadly) to find he thinks. and if we're to assume 50 Cent's circle of associates is rampantly masculine and heterosexual then why think about gay people in any way at all? when does he encounter gay people other than at awards shows anyway?

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 11 March 2004 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.thecrusade.net/gallery/images/gallery_136/PIC00042.jpg

― William WIggins, Thursday, 11 March 2004 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

no homo

― William WIggins, Thursday, 11 March 2004 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

stevem, interviews are reflections of current social theory?

― asfdzxc (asfdzxc), Friday, 12 March 2004 00:16 (twenty-one years ago)

it feels set up though, contrived, cliched. i'm sick of the pattern. saying 'some of my best friends...' etc. followed by 'but er not in my own house dude' is bad enough (i recall lead singer of POD being quoted as saying that in an NME interview a couple of years back...supposedly reflecting a Christian angle there...), but guys like 50 won't even get that far. you don't have to like it but you don't have to make stupid unconstructive comments about how you don't like it either.

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 12 March 2004 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

>you don't have to like it but you don't have to make stupid unconstructive comments about how you don't like it either.

If you're him, you do. 50 Cent has seemed like a DL kinda guy to me since he first emerged. The shots of him exercising in the "In Da Club" video are totally gay.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Friday, 12 March 2004 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)

what is a "DL kind of guy"?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 12 March 2004 00:54 (twenty-one years ago)

ha, i do think it is funny that certain stereotypical images of both machismo and gayness involve rippling well oiled bare male torsos, but still methinks he doth protest stupidly

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 12 March 2004 00:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, this is a seriously fuckin' stupid thread (in a long line of stupid threads on similar subjects.) If someone wants to have a serious thread about why it is that african-americans as a group tend to be more conservative when it comes to homosexuality than whites and actually discuss real reasons why this is, then fine. And if you want to discuss whether the consequences of this homophobia (i.e. whether africans-americans are more likely to gay bash or push for restrictive legislation for homosexuality or excommunicate gay members of their family or even to record songs which advocate violence towards "faggots") then fine. But isolating one person's clearly misguided and rather sad comments (comments that were probably illicited for no other reason than to have snazzy oh so well-meaning not at all racist motherfuckers like yourselves say with an self-superior air, "Gosh, those rap guy sure is ignorant and hateful) has got to be lamest trope on this board. Find a new schtick.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 March 2004 01:11 (twenty-one years ago)

moaning at the moaners does not a winner make you either tho. i would say 'we will if they will' but maybe it IS lame...the 'not at all racist' schtick is equally tiresome to be fair, and fucking annoying. or maybe i am just a quasi-racist after all... (still you might as well argue against how much preferential treatment rapers get on ILM compared to artists in other genres, there's probably more hate for Damon Albarn round here than 50, and Albarn's said a lot of dumb stuff but nothing that offensive i can recall - to my oh-so white faux-liberal ears anyway...)

why it is that african-americans as a group tend to be more conservative when it comes to homosexuality than whites and actually discuss real reasons why this is
people like Dave Stelfox and Cybele can and have posed suggestions for this regarding the culture in Jamaica - which can be found by searching 'dancehall' or 'homophobia' along with their names probably.
whether the strain in American, or as you say, African-American culture is derived from the same thing I'm not sure, but nine times out of ten it seems to boil down to bogus ingrained biblical references and values (tired pointing out the irony here with regards to glorification of wealth and violence too i suppose) held dear by an awful lot of 'Christians' which is the paradigm under which the majority of people (Afro-Amer, Caucasian, Hispanic, whatever - and however loosely) in the US - not that there's any society or culture anywhere that's entirely relaxed about homosexuality really...

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 12 March 2004 01:34 (twenty-one years ago)

how much preferential treatment rapers get on ILM

unfortunate typo

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 12 March 2004 01:34 (twenty-one years ago)

The strain in America isn't barely on the same planet, Steve. Saying in an interview that you are not comfortable around gay men isn't equivalent saying that you want to put a bullet in a "batty boy's head". And 50 Cent isn't Jerry Falwell either. Pretending that his discomfort is "basically" the function of "bogus ingrained biblical references" (which makes no earthly sense given his total thumbs up to lesbianism and the fact that he doesn't mention God in the quote) is a pretty silly oversimplification of something which people have written volumes on. And I'm not saying that we should be equal opportunity and search for quotes of Damon Albarn saying homophobic shit (mostly cuz I'll bet that Damon doesn't get asked these questions--wonder why 50 does?--and most white musicians/artists have learned pretty quickly in the last two decades that it's not good public policy to make negative statements about gays--and 50 may learn this lesson too, Eminem seems to have become positively mellow on the subject these days and he was certainly more virulent in his disgust for gays than I've ever heard 50 be) rather I am saying that if you are going to hold up someone's opinions for scrutiny that you should actually regard them (and their reasons for holding them) with SOME scrutiny as opposed to simply knee-jerking the same tired "oh this is some disgusting homophobic bullshit" line.

― Not a Winner in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 March 2004 02:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I just don't get it, Alex in SF - so is calling out a prominent black figure on a bullshit statement always a non-starter?

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 12 March 2004 02:16 (twenty-one years ago)

alex OTM OTM OTM

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 12 March 2004 02:18 (twenty-one years ago)

John, when was the last time you got in a discussion with a real live black person about their views on homosexuality?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 March 2004 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

my brother-in-law, within the last year or so

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 12 March 2004 02:38 (twenty-one years ago)

pls. do not flex the condescending fucking "real live black person" bullshit on me, Alex, it's really tired

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 12 March 2004 02:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Not every male dancehall artist was advocating killing homosexuals tho Alex, some would've said the same thing 50's said - it DOES all come from the same source as far as I can see. it's exactly because of the lesbian comment that to be following that Bible reference is bogus - their logic not mine! maybe that's not what lies at the end of it this time, but I'm pretty sure he would've thanked God had he won the Grammy (everyone does right?). How much more would you like his comments to be scrutinised? I don't really want to get a Playboy subscription. The fact that your contempt is greater for the thread and the 'kneejerks' than 50 is just as puzzling really. All of it is tired, it's all been argued before, including this equally self-righteous 'you're all stupid for pointing out the obvious yet again' stance.

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 12 March 2004 02:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess we'll just ignore that mindreader 50 "isn't comfortable with what their thoughts are"

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 12 March 2004 02:42 (twenty-one years ago)

as i said before i agree there's no real use starting a thread unless the aim is to go beyond just condemning the guy, but at the same time we feel the urge to vent as it rushes forth - a lot of what i post is thinking out loud, thoughts and arguments not always fully formulated - i'm never quite sure why i'm so fascinated and get involved in issues like this, but even the possible theory that i'm slightly racist myself is interesting to me

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 12 March 2004 02:43 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah but it is some disgusting homophobic bullshit and fuck 50 for saying that.

― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 12 March 2004 02:47 (twenty-one years ago)

though Eminem's shit was more disgusting true

― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 12 March 2004 02:48 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah but recognise we've established that shockah and either explore why this sort of thing keeps happening or leave it alone, is what alex is really saying, which is fair enough.

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 12 March 2004 02:49 (twenty-one years ago)

stevem, yr making no sense about the bible stuff -- coz if its bogus then its NOT the real reason, and since 50 didn't claim it was, but you did, you've only "debunked" yrself.

And rappers aren't the only ones who thank god when they win a grammy.

Can we talk about what mel gibson thinks of gays also? (And "what women want" for that matter -- speaking of which how cool would it be if it closed the film with mary magdeline thinking "oh shit i just looked at his crotch! oh no i looked at it again!")

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 12 March 2004 02:52 (twenty-one years ago)

That moment when the King tosses his son's pal out the window in "Braveheart" was meant to be good for a laugh, and unfortunately the audience responded as Mel wanted them to. It played as a moment where we were supposed to empathize with this otherwise evil figure, "look my son's a homo, I'll get back at him like this, har har".

― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 12 March 2004 02:57 (twenty-one years ago)

(And "what women want" for that matter -- speaking of which how cool would it be if it closed the film with mary magdeline thinking "oh shit i just looked at his crotch! oh no i looked at it again!")

haha maybe in the sequel!

Also, based on all the articles I've read re: Mel lately, I can only imagine his take on the subject...but I bet "AIDS is God's punishment on gays" wouldn't be suprising coming from him.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 12 March 2004 02:57 (twenty-one years ago)

(x-posts aplenty)Actually I've noted that the recent international popularity and the subsequent interviews with mainstream 1st world publications has resulted in, ahem, a rather toned down vibe re: dancehall singers concerning gay men (and also a marked drop in homophobia based songs.) Hahah of course, the most recent Greensleeves comp was rife with "DON'T YOU GO GIVING YOUR WOMAN HEAD CUZ IT'S SICK" songs so it's not like these guys are suddenly turning Unitarian.

Steve since you are not American, I will forgive you for your apparent total ignorance concerning homosexuality and the feminization of black men and your desire to place the solely at the feet of the Bible (it's so easy to blame the Bible for everything even when you are American, I can understand why it becomes even more tempting to so from afar.)

John, do you really think saying like oh 50 Cent is just a ignorant homophobe who is secretly gay is an effective way of "calling out" someone (who admittedly won't read this board) who makes a "bullshit statement"? (I'll ignore your gross oversimplication of my original points, if you ignore my gross condenscension, kay. :))

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 March 2004 03:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Mel has a pathological hatred of gays and women, you can see it in some of his films sometimes.

50 is just ignorant and probably is a lot more liberal in practice than in his words, I'm guessing. Lots of music scenes are like sports or politics, i.e. "hey they're okay I just don't want 'em around", which either means "I hate em more than I'm letting on but I have to play nice" or "I like em fine, but I have to show a little machismo here". If I really think about it I'll bet 50 is in the latter camp.

― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 12 March 2004 03:02 (twenty-one years ago)

i think people have misunderstood my Bible reference (and that i wasn't just referring to rappers re the Grammies, gah). it's the standard issue quotes from it ('man shouldn't lay with man' etc.) that homophobes have used in their reasoning/argument that I am saying are bogus by definition because they seem to contradict the general 'love thy neighbour' msg - obvious i know, but this biblical rhetoric has been quoted more than once by dancehall acts (including Shabba Ranks and Buju Banton in the past, which has of course been well documented and is a tired reference granted).

how does it relate to hip hop and African-American culture in the States? well it's the same Bible ffs - it's not much of a leap, even if there is an obvious difference in that shooting your mouth off about wanting to kill gays would be far less tolerable in the States - a more passive resentment towards homosexuals persists and is unfortunately more associated with hip hop than other genres there (possibly a form of racism). Alex I am not blaming the Bible I am blaming certain factions and their interpretation of certain quotes...

That said, I recognise the daftness of the Bible excuse given that none of these people are particularly religious. But if not that then what? A more general conditioned fear akin to that of being raped? Or the somewhat less serious issue of compromised masculinity? Combination of all three maybe...

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 12 March 2004 03:21 (twenty-one years ago)

i would be saying the same things i said about Mel Gibson as I did about 50, had this thread been about something Mel said initially. Is it worse because he's talking about Jesus all the time as opposed to PIMP fantasising? (oh it's probably not relevant)

I'm not sure how and where I was 'ignorant' regarding the feminisation of black men either.

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 12 March 2004 03:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, type "african-american men masculinity homosexuality" into google.com and prepare to be edumacated (I've not read all of these links and I don't know enough to endorse one link over the other, but I will CERTAINLY say that any of these will give a much broader understanding than I can.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 March 2004 03:27 (twenty-one years ago)

an understanding of what exactly? where hatred towards gays comes from in black communities? oh why not, sounds like fun...

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 12 March 2004 03:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Suffice it to say if Amir Baraka is calling black male homosexuality as "signif[ying] their utter capitulation to the power of the white man", he's NOT saying it primarily because he believes that the Bible says that men fucking men is wrong (from the first link, I think.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 March 2004 03:34 (twenty-one years ago)

we shouldn't even be talking about colour though. If the content in question in the Bible is not a major influence or at least handy excuse for Christians of whatever race denouncing homosexuals (and i know this is removed from the initial topic because 50 Cent didn't say he hates gay cos it says to in the Bible) then it doesn't seem ridiculous to call it out, at least when discussing the wider issue of homophobic conditioning in society. where i grew up and went to school (Catholic, pre-dominantly Irish) it wasn't just black kids into dancehall or rap who were doing the hating (even just using it as an insult all the time and always being double-quick to deny accusations when thrown up), it was all of us (obv. some more than others). 50 Cent's comments reminded me of being back at school you see.

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 12 March 2004 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's pretty accurate to say that while 50 Cent's (or Amir Baraka's, for that matter) opinions concerning gay men may in substance be fairly similar to the sort of schoolyard attitudes you are describing, that the factors that shaped these opinions is a great deal more complicated than simply saying "oh this is just ignorance and conservatism" (and sure it is both, but that's NOT all it is.)

AND this is about color, Steve! What the hell! DO you think 50 Cent gets to take time off from being black or something?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 March 2004 03:49 (twenty-one years ago)

so, complex ignorance is somehow better than simple ignorance? does this mean all those racist NSBM guys get a pass because of all their talk about volk and whatnot? Alex your post above is like racists I knew in Portland who'd justify their use of truly revolting language by saying "oh, I got beat up by a bunch of black guys once"! 50 Cent, and Amiri Baraka, are grown men who should know better than to toss around words like "faggot." If the process by which they came to use the word is complex, so what? At core, it really does sound like what you're saying is "black homophobia is complex when it occurs, and is therefore immune from blanket condemnation." What I'm saying is it doesn't matter how somebody came by their bullshit take: if it's bullshit, it should be called bullshit first and then discussed later, if discussion is warranted. It is troubling to see people rushing to excuse hateful sentiments.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 12 March 2004 04:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Complex ignorance is better than what??!?! I think it's pretty clear from reading this board that 50 Cent isn't the only ignorant person whose words are all over this thread (not a personal dig at you btw John.) (Now for the personal dig) John, your post above remind me of lots liberals at university who were always handy to point fingers at other people all the while congratulating themselves for how open-minded and unaffected by societal prejudices they were. I'm sorry what makes you think that both these people SHOULD know better than to use the word faggot? First of all who told them that? I didn't realize that the WHOLE WORLD had suddenly had a revelation that using the word faggot was wrong and that there is this strange small percentage who is ruining for the rest of us gay friendly folk. Shit is getting better (and better and better) John, but you cannot sit around pretend that even in American that we are so far removed that everyone is so open-minded that using that word or being nervous around gays is completely verboten. The idea that you can separate an individual from the environment they were raised in and then basicallly personally shame them into reforming is just beyond baffling to me. Has this technique ever worked for you? If you think that posting individual threads condemning every time a black person makes a homophobic remark creates a useful dialogue about race and sexuality then go the fuck to it, man. I'm quite sure all the worlds problems can be solved with your righteous indignation.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 March 2004 04:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Note that should be "liberals" not liberals.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:00 (twenty-one years ago)

So what IS the answer, Alex? And I'm not being snarky and I would like to hear you say what it is and why it is realistic and will work instead.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Statements like "I'm not prejudiced. I just don't go with gay people and kick it — we don't have that much in common." are pretty mild homophobia, incidentally. If I had been forced to guess 50 cent's feelings on homosexuality before reading about this interview, I would have expected worse.

― Sym (shmuel), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:09 (twenty-one years ago)

(x-post)Ned, are you unaware of any other means of communicating other than public ridicule?

(x-post)Okay that's apologetic bullshit, Sym.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned, are you unaware of any other means of communicating other than public ridicule?

But your interest seems to be less in personal communication and more in societal reform. Am I wrong?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not excusing him, Alex. What he said is still bullshit and wrong and he's an ignorant guy. But wouldn't you have expected worse?

― Sym (shmuel), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:19 (twenty-one years ago)

alex if you want a discussion of threatened black masculinity then cool. but that's gonna lead directly into a discussion of the social relationship of masculinity and power (bringing race into the discussion, as john sez, complicates but doesn't obviate discussion of why its really the SAME gender stuff played out at a stronger level -- also w/r/t 50s remarx stevem is off the topic, but if you wanna deal with race in the u.s. you also gotta deal with a v. distinct tradition of religion that has everything to do with the whole thing and you gotta deal with the church both as an assertion and a negation of "masculine" values and you gotta deal with the whole MYTH of the destruction of the black family during slavery not to mention the MYTH of the superiority of the nuclear vs. extended family not to mention the ramifications of that myth on those who DO live with extended values. oh fuck it everyone should just go watch Baby Boy instead coz its about some but not all of this, and also its really funny!)

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned, personal communication is what spurs personal reform which is what spurs societal reform.

"But wouldn't you have expected worse?"

Not really. I would have been more shocked if he'd been all Glenn Danzig about it actually. Being virulently homophobic in interviews doesn't seem to play well with most folks these days.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned, personal communication is what spurs personal reform which is what spurs societal reform.

I feel better already.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:29 (twenty-one years ago)

(Either that or it's the idea that Alex in SF is secretly Mr. Van Driesen.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Danzig? What?

― Sym (shmuel), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:31 (twenty-one years ago)

he killed your baby today

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Uh oh.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha Sterling, I never said I necessarily wanted a discussion of threatened black masculinity (I really would wonder at what the stakes of a bunch of largely non-black dudes in such a discussion would be) but I would definitely rather see a broader more intelligent discussion of the african-american relationship with sexuality (which obviously would encompass all the above--religion, masculinity, ways in which it is simply a heightened form of the normal gender interactions--if we are really lucky) than another "Look Another Rapper Said Something Bad About Gay People" thread.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha I can't be the only one who remembers that Danzig controversy.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:38 (twenty-one years ago)

"no homo" = WTF?!?

― Stuart (Stuart), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:44 (twenty-one years ago)

can we have a thread about Baby Boy instead?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha of course.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 March 2004 05:54 (twenty-one years ago)

50 Cent can suck my gay dick. There's no excuse for that shit.

However this thread makes it abundantly clear that the world needs Scream Club right now.

― Kevin Erickson, Friday, 12 March 2004 09:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I still think the colour issue has been made more of a big deal than it really is. You're making a big deal of it by referring to 'threatened black masculinity' Alex but I'd rather play that down all together because ideally there'd be a colour missing from that term. Technically it's not at all relevant that a black rapper made these comments - they'd be dumb from whoever said them, and people of all races do say things like that all the time. I'd say it's more a class thing than a colour thing but whatever. Technically it's also relatively harmless in that it's not a direct incitement though there may be some young fans dumb enough to adopt same view if they hadn't already - but they'd have to EXTREMELY dumb to do that. I don't think I'm harbouring racist thoughts by criticising a homophobe who happens to be black. And you may think my ignorance on the subject is on the same level as 50's, but I don't. Maybe there are still racist motives in the media (as I said earlier, asking 50 Cent his views on homosexuals...how is that relevant to who he is and what he does? why was the question asked? assuming it was) but they don't seem so clear cut to me anymore.

Race, upbringing and social conditioning are reasons but they are not 'excuses' for this attitude imo, and not to be just trotted out conveniently whenever you say something someone goaded you into saying - people need to be smarter than that I think.

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 12 March 2004 11:02 (twenty-one years ago)

(i mean i guess in this instance the issues of religion and blackness are BOTH red herrings because 50 referred to neither, but they are referred to in other cases i've seen)

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 12 March 2004 11:04 (twenty-one years ago)

50 CENT GAY HISSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― REDBONE$$ (RED BONE), Saturday, 13 March 2004 11:02 (twenty-one years ago)

now we're getting somewhere.

― m., Saturday, 13 March 2004 11:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh the irony

― Sym (shmuel), Saturday, 13 March 2004 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

REDBONE$$ is the Hip Hop Smash!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 13 March 2004 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

have you ever been mugged by a black person? the sexual tension is intense! one time when i was 12 a black boy reached in my pocket to get a dollar and whispered in my ear "im'a fuck yo mama," but she moved out when i was six, so i just kept mum. and another time i was laying down in bed with my mixed friend (we both only have fathers) and we jerked each other off

― $corpium (asfdzxc), Saturday, 13 March 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

WTF?

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 13 March 2004 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

That's a threadkiller if I've saw one.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 13 March 2004 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd have to agree.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 13 March 2004 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

i just think we should judge the sexual orientation of the blacks by personal experience than theory. really if you think about it black people are just defending their culture against the psychological conditions of faggotry. its quite simple!!!!

― $corpium (asfdzxc), Saturday, 13 March 2004 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

OH KAAAAAAYYY!!!!
http://www.bigtruckrecords.com/images/video-dont/him.jon.jpg

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 13 March 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

So now we've gotten to the point of Jonathan Lethem references?

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 13 March 2004 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

see? they might be slipping though, lil jon is holding a dannon. then again, a niggas gotta drink!!!!

― $corpium ($corpium), Saturday, 13 March 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

so, now.

― $corpium ($corpium), Saturday, 13 March 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Personally, I think the breakthrough will be when Ghostface and Raekwon recreate the cover of John and Yoko's Wedding Album.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 13 March 2004 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

have you ever been mugged by a black person?

Yes, but being mugged by a 5ft 2 Glaswegian with a face covered in scars was much scarier.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Sunday, 14 March 2004 02:33 (twenty-one years ago)

this is the most fucking stupid and pointless thread i've read here yet ... and that's saying something.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 14 March 2004 10:43 (twenty-one years ago)

actually, you aren't saying anything

i think it's been okay - valid points were made, lessons were learned, the diffusion was probably a good idea tho.

― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 14 March 2004 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

haven't read this thread, but here's a particularly abhorrent leno monologue gag, the implications of which disturb me more than anything i've heard from 50:

leno (i'm paraphrasing btw): "intelligence reports are now claiming that osama is moving from pakistan back to afghanistan. you know why he's moving back to afghanistan? it's easier getting a gay marriage license there."

― m., Wednesday, 17 March 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

disappointing

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Bah, Nate, I wanted to be all smug about catching the Lethem ref, and you ruined it for me.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 22:07 (twenty-one years ago)

can we send leno and kevin smith off in some malfunctioning space probe?

― !!!! (amateurist), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Bah, Nate, I wanted to be all smug about catching the Lethem ref, and you ruined it for me.

Haha, me too. But did you also note the bad/weird pun in there?

'whispered in my ear "im'a fuck yo mama," but she moved out when i was six, so i just kept mum.'

A strange ending to a strange thread.

― David A. (Davant), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 23:11 (twenty-one years ago)

As an African American male, I find people like 50 cents and all of these other monolithic minded, heatheness, lust/horemongering, ignorant, triffling, mindless rappers to be far worse than anything homosexuality could bring! Such irony that we (African Americans) are far more disturbed at how two consenting adults may or may not make love, than we are of a slew of degrading hip/hop rappers, projecting and influencing a negative thought pattern of our people.

Many of you have heard about the DL men in our communty and there are MANY! Quite frankly, 50 cent fits the profile of a black man on the DL. DL men are hyper masculine; they appear angry and uncomfortable with any talk or suggestion about homosexuality (particularly male to male). They unprovokingly "bash" and say derrogatory, hateful comments about gays. Our community unfortunately will have to learn the hard way, to be more tolerant. (The root of homophobia in our community is very deep and too complicated to get into here) Nonetheless, there are far more "straight" appearing gay and bisexual men that are African American living double-secret lives, than OUT "effiminate" or "clockable" proud gay black men... Trust me when I say that 50 cent and other hardcore rappers could be DL as well as any of his "straight" male friends.

― Alima Borokeq, Wednesday, 24 March 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Heatheness? That could be a title to aspire to ...

― Dare, Wednesday, 24 March 2004 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

is it true that 50 spends a lot of time in da salon getting his nails done?

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

w/e...
gay ppl can be gay so why couldnt he be homophobic

― 2lazy, Thursday, 25 March 2004 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

just thinking of all the things 'DL' COULD mean

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 25 March 2004 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

four years pass...

have you ever been mugged by a black person? the sexual tension is intense!

I did not find this to be true.

― clotpoll, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 18:06 (sixteen years ago)

maybe he's just not that into you

― dumb pseud (some dude), Tuesday, 25 November 2008 18:15 (sixteen years ago)

$corpium has gotta be luriqua rite

― :) Mrs Edward Cullen XD (max), Tuesday, 25 November 2008 18:22 (sixteen years ago)

this thread is mad gay.
― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:12 AM (4 years ago)

― velko, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 19:39 (sixteen years ago)


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