Will The Stone Roses ever reform?

as for the stone roses? who cares. post-break up albums always suck.

Unclean, unclean!

That being the case, I'd prefer that the Roses waited a few more years before doing it, just to make it a bit more special.

(xposts)

fuck this.

A) Deaf
B) Retarded
C) Both

the small group of ilxors stand behind nick, glowing eyes, going: 'oooooooo'.

Begging the question: what would such a tour be named?

Oh no it wouldn't. Did you really think The Second Coming was all that great? As great as their first album was, you just can't go home again.

Ian spent a lot of time listening to Capleton et al. I think he thinks he's a Rasta. So, in time-honoured fashion, he do seem compelled to say nasty things about batty men during interviews.

Well, they did make the best album ever...

This is further proof that Calum has not yet had sex.

I think Second Coming is garbage.

"Love Spreads": Awesome catchy bluesy Zeppelin rocker!!
Every other song on the record: A complete bunch of lifeless boring sludge nonsense!!

"ten storey love song" = only good track. (etc etc)
-- Kilian (kilian.murphy2...), March 22nd, 2004.

P.S. Brownies solo stuff is fab.

Also, for anyone who cares or hasn't already heard, Mani is getting together with Peter Hook and Andy Rourke to form a bassist supergroup to be entitled either Freebase or Stalingrad. They're supposedly recording an album together. Stone Roses reunion? I can wait.

Oh come on, C-wad, have some self esteem!

Ah fuck it, I'm ressurecting the Second Coming thread.

There have been rumors to that effect.

ESOJ, my old soup tureen, how are you?

That's fine, but surely if I think the Roses are pretty much mega-over-rated plop, that's a valid opinion too?

http://www.starfucks.info/IanBrown.wmv

Having witnessed that, I am way less enthused about a Stone Roses reunion.

I was fortunate enough to have been at Spike Island, it was a great atmosphere but even then they didn’t sound great.

http://www.drownedinsound.com/content/view/477649

http://odell.connect-2.co.uk/OLS.html
http://www.onlinerock.com/musicians/suddenbliss/fitzoeinthenme.shtml

I read an interview last month with Ian Brown that did more to squelch any reformation talk than anything I'd read in the last few years. Though I guess Ian had a record and tour to promote.

http://www.nme.com/news/the-stone-roses/41646

Start the campaign. C'mon.

oh god no. i'd rather see them without ian!

But they were SO BAD when they broke up!!

didn't they play without squire for a bit? at reading 1996 iirc. and everyone said it was shit -- unsurprisingly, because ian brown is shit.

yeah yeah, I was there, etc.

No Squire or Reni, most their Second Coming gigs were without Reni I think.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/03/17/stone-roses-to-reform-madchester-legends-plan-summer-tour-exclusive-115875-21203802/

Hmmm. To go or not to go. Probably not.

"It’s taken a lot of time money to get Ian to agree"

i saw them before and they were awesome, and i dont think i want to risk spoiling the memory.

Hmmm. To go or not to go. Probably not. go

They should do Reading Festival. They owe them a decent performance.

I suspect they owe a lot of places a decent performance.... Their only gig here in Toronto (sans Reni) was crap.

Love the first album, but would not go to this.

surprised people are believing this

So not gonna happen.

Isn't Ian Brown notorious for sucking ass live?

surprised people are believing this

word. it happens every like two years. i think promoters even reserve venues under cryptic pseudonyms while they get their hopes up.

this time it at least..looks like it could be true. 20 years since the debut album came out, bla bla. also (naive hat on) can a tabloid flatly say 'it's happening, it's 21 dates, it's this summer...' and put it on the *cover* and page 3 of the paper if it's all just light-newsday-bullshit? and if so why?

I saw them live once (Second Coming tour) and yeah, Ian couldn't sing for shit.

Call me when the Smiths reform. 'Til then...

"The gigs will coincide with the re-release of the band’s self-titled debut album"

Unnecessary commentary there. Everything that's happened since about 1991 has coincided with a Roses cash-in

what will Complete Stone Roses do now?

keep going for the ppl who cant get tix to see the roses

Fuck reunion tours, I want some new goddamn music. And that goes for you too the Pixies and MBV.

Ha! Yeah, I'm with you there. In fact, I think you've just located the elephant in this room...

Pixies did two songs, they were great, Kim chose not to risk fucking it up by going for an album.

No-one wants more Stone Roses music, it would almost certainly be terrible.

.. and "sources close to the band" say noh.

John Squire: Stone Roses reunion claims are 'unfounded'

http://www.nme.com/news/nme/43512

The Stone Roses WON'T reform for summer tour 13 years after their split

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1162675/The-Stone-Roses-WONT-reform-summer-tour-13-years-split.html

good. now i dont have to worry bout trying to get tix hehe

i knew this was too good to be true!

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45581000/jpg/_45581596_statement_lowres.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7952409.stm

Because the Reading performance did more than enough grave desecrating already.

he wasnt there

he played on 'the second coming' iirc

but he didnt do reading. I like the second coming anyway.

me too.

Oh yeah it was that Ibrahim Aziz or whatever he was called by then, wasn't it.

yup

Hmm. (A writer/editor friend in the UK just posted about this as well so this might be legit.)

don't we get this every year?? isn't it always "some unnamed promoter FINALLY convinced the four members to reform"

See I'm hoping it's the crash-and-burn lineup that reforms, the one that trundled along after Squire left.

they never got better than the classic line up imo. Mani, Brown, Ibrahim, Blonde Dancer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryaFYwaRvpc

Well, anyway, then.

well, it's on.
seems like a lot of people are excited.
i checked with my teenkid earlier to see if he understood the magnitude of the event and all i got was a shrug.
which is actually almost as big a reaction as i had.
no doubt by the time the gigs come round i'll be a quivering wreck of regret ..
so who will be the support - beady eye, or noel ?
or, could the manc love-in spread to the G-Bros ..

[xpost !]

i checked with my teenkid earlier to see if he understood the magnitude of the event and all i got was a shrug.

Tell your teenkid he rules.

http://sickmouthy.com/2011/10/18/so-the-stone-roses-have-reformed/

Or, I'm ambivalent.

ha, first i heard of this, will they play Coachella?

press conference was heartfelt and brilliant. especially the Daily Mail bit and Reni's passionate defense of U2!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNwjif8tKqI&feature=player_embedded

sorry wrong link up thread, here is the complete one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=D6itFMuO6Os
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZrvvxeYGYE&feature=related

One of the more worthwhile reformations, I think!

Did John Squire say one word? I don't see this lasting very long.

Mail woman should have asked him why he was such a cunt to air stewardesses, mr man of the people

tone deaf cunt

I don't give a shit about the reformation but can Reni please give a press conference every month? That was great

man even

Did John Squire say one word?

he gave a long answer to that question about not desecrating the grave of Manchester pop outfit The Stone Roses

That was surprisingly good. Haven't heard Reni speak before - amazing how smart and with it he comes across. It's easy to laugh at Ian Brown, but I did enjoy it when he had a go at the Mail guy in his brute way.

The NME gives a 'dream set-list', and yeah it could be that boring.

The first album I liked a lot, but the whole 'best album ever' hysteria left me a whole lot of "um, really?" biz.

I liked the second album a lot, possibly more than the first, but only after I got it on CD, whereas the LP version seemed not-to-work, for some reason I can't explain.

So, basically, I'd like a new album bigtime.

You can have the gigs though. (I saw them at their biggest gig, where Ian was fonzie on some skis)

the LP version seemed not-to-work, for some reason I can't explain.

Second Coming was released in that period when albums were usually an hour or more, and so 1990s LPs were often double-vinyl with two or three songs a side. Awful - feels like playing a series of 12" singles.

The moment that Ian Brown first opens his mouth to sing I Wanna Be Adored is going to be hilarious and I hope they televise it.

xpost well (I think) I taped it onto cassette and played it in-car.

Which, effectively, is the same as playing it on CD in the car.

Still dunno.

Having seen them twice, spike island and then the apollo in manchester before they shut up shop, i honestly think the live shows will be awful as they never were any good live. I'm quite happy to be proved wrong though. As for the new "record", i'd be very interested to see if they go down the coke fuelled second coming road or revisit the earlier sound.

whoa notgoodwin are you saying spike island was no good?! how come it's so celebrated then? was it just an atmosphere / time-and-place thing, or pure hype? i had hoped that reni at least would be as impressive live as he is on record and in that press conference.

i will probably spend my money and go see them anyway, as I never caught them in the 90s (only got into them around the time of the second album, missed Feile 1995 where most of my friends at the time saw them). there's speculation they will play Slane - capacity c. 80k - which doesn't seem completely far-fetched to me.

I had a boot of Spike Island that really sounded crappy (I mean it seemed like the show was crappy). It was a huge event, I think, because they hadn't played in a while, and hadn't done a big show maybe ever, certainly not after the massive "Fool's Gold" hit. There was a lot of hooing and haing about where the show would be and when, etc.

Spike Island was meant to have a poor sound mix and a honking Ian. I think audience enjoyment stemmed from the substances they'd imbibed.

I heard loads of bootlegs of loads of gigs, 80s and 90s, and Reni, tbf, was always worth listening to.

lol @ old-skool ilx troll convention on this thread

Also John Squire looks like an old lesbian.

(i mean when it started not now) (stones roses reforming is the troll now)

Volvo, as far as gigs go, the roses performance was pretty awful. The sound was diabolical; the songs were very loose, all you could hear from the drums was massive kick and dull snare, mani's bass sound had no middle or clarity to it, brown never really could sing well (he should give everything he earn't from the early stuff to john leckie), squire's guitar was bordering on feeding back all the time. The experience of it all to a 17 year old who'd never done anything like this before was amazing though. So i guess yes it was more of a good atmosphere and day out.

lol ok fair enough! suppose I can at least hope that the sound will be decent this time around. v true re leckie, dunno why brown doesn't just bury his voice in reverb all the time.

Plus, IBrown's been singing for a while now, he should be better at it by now!

btw:

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/10/19/1319022886695/John-Squire-Mani-Ian-Brow-006.jpg

l-r Johnny Marr, Genesis P-Orridge, bloke from "The Scream" painting, um...

or maybe:Show me some men who look like old lesbians!

The Stone Roses have sold out three nights at Manchester's Heaton Park after announcing their reunion earlier this week.

The first two shows sold out in just 14 minutes, with a third date added shortly afterwards.

In total, fans snapped up 220,000 tickets, priced at £55, within 68 minutes of booking lines opening.

sort of surprised at this? idk

Young lads from work were trying to get tickets and said "you only get to see someone like this one in your life"

wait, waht

The Stone Roses are actually one person. Like Voltron.

£12million.

Breaking up after the godawful "Second Coming" album was a good idea and recent projects from Ian Brown in particular don't exactly suggest their creative spark has returned. But I guess a tour, playing all the old songs from the debut album, might be a good and profitable idea.

Mum needs a bungalow tour :(
Not fussed about hearing them live ever again, but the "back to the early days" quote from brown about recording sound interesting.
Leckie must be involved if it's to be pleasing to the ear.

Awful - feels like playing a series of 12" singles.

I do think that Second Coming belongs in the pantheon of "albums that fell well short of expectations, but still wound up being pretty good", but this is definitely why I didn't like it as much as I could have. I feel like you could have trimmed 20 minutes off that album without losing any songs.

Breaking into heaven(minus too long intro) is great roses and ten storey love song was a good transition from the old stuff. Love spreads was what it was and i like it. You may keep the rest.

"Second Coming" contains one good song, "Ten Storey Lovesong". The rest is largely crap, completely devoid of all the great tunes on the debut.

Actually I liked the Seahorses album much better than "Second Coming". Much better songs.

I liked the Seahorses album much better than "Second Coming"

Get out of this thread!

And I am not saying - save for a few quite good singles - the Seahorses album was particularly good.

are any of Ian Brown's solo albums any good?

Love is the law was love spreads for the radio. the rest were very forgettable. and i was a massive squire fan.
Watching squire doing his solo stuff in Manchester while people were shouting "roses roses" was sad for all.

I heard that more than a few of Squire's contributions to the Seahorses album were actually written during periods of time when nothing was happening (and by the sounds of it, that was quite a lot of time) during the making of The Stone Roses' 'Second Coming'.

I seem to remember Standing On Your Head being alright but I've not heard it in probably 10 years plus.

I seem to remember Standing On Your Head being alright but I've not heard it in probably 10 years plus.

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Friday, October 21, 2011 9:01 PM (36 seconds ago) Bookmark

I haven't heard it for quite some time either, if I recall, that's the one with the 'eastern' guitar riffs and the lyric that goes "my life will be sweeter when I'm standing on your head", or something?

I went to see Squire's Roses artwork when he had a short show at the ICA. They were tiny - about the same size as their reproductions on the 12" sleeves. It was quite cute to see the knobbly originals with big lumps of dried paint, but the fifteen-year-old lemon slices had got all shrivelled and mouldy.

i wonder if any sportsbook would take action on the first song played at their reunion?

I Wanna Be Adored -200
I Am the Resurrection +700 :(

I seem to remember Standing On Your Head being alright but I've not heard it in probably 10 years plus.

I liked "Blinded By The Sun" a lot.

You would.

I like "Unfinished Monkey Business" a lot, it's so damn wonky.

It's like some sort of obscure "skip Spence" type oddity of an album, save for the fact it sold quite well.

F.E.A.R. was good, Brown is barely audible on it

Is it really worth it? I mean... they have one great album but... that's it. Really?

£12million.

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 22 October 2011 07:11 (4 hours ago)

A bid of over £1 million has been made on eBay for tickets for The Stone Roses' Heaton Park shows.

Up to 220,000 tickets, priced at £55 a pop, for all three of the band's Manchester shows next year sold out in just over an hour when they went on sale this morning (October 21).

http://www.nme.com/news/the-stone-roses/59951

has to be said it is a fine fine thing indeed that the biggest pop band in the UK is Manchester's Take That and the biggest rock band is Manchester's The Stone Roses.

I'm not going to read this whole revive because it's probably full of dumb bitching BUT I just need to say that I'm gonna go and they're gonna be awesome and it's gonna rule all around.

OK wait that pic upthread is actually hysterical. Still gonna rul.

e.

^^^stock up now

i was gonna pile in with some dumb bitching but erica's made me feel guilty so fuck these guys i'm out

lol mark

That press conference is quite amusing.

It's amazing how much healthier and more assured Reni looks than the others. He's like a really charismatic guidance teacher, doing this as a project for his three saveable delinquents.

never seen em, but I used to own a copy of the bootleg Blackpool Live @ the Empress Ballroom video, which was noteworthy for two reasons: 01. How much of a badass Reni is; & 02. How Ian Brown live vox essentially translate as a bleating foghorn - I love the first record & all the singles & b-sides from that era, so I may still shell out to see them. Still, I may not.

It's amazing how much healthier and more assured Reni looks than the others. He's like a really charismatic guidance teacher, doing this as a project for his three saveable delinquents.

― Ismael Klata, Saturday, October 22, 2011 6:09 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark

Indeed, and the fact that he's the only member to have kept out of the 'public eye' since the Roses' break-up can't be too much of a coincidence! Both Mani & Squire look like they've aged about 50 years since 1996!

Squire's appetite for various substances is a legend unto itself, but re: Mani - I can't imagine 10+ years as a member of Primal Scream could leave one unscathed.

No, Mani's unpleasantly waxy there. I'd always assumed Reni's absence was for similar reasons, but he just looks and sounds absolutely great.

I thought Squire had been super clean since the Roses split up? He'd got into mountain biking and surfing as an alternative.

Just found this Stone Roses interview from Face (from prior to 'Ten Storey Love Song' being released), makes for interesting reading in retrospect...

http://www.thestoneroses.co.uk/press/tracks-of-their-tears

tl;dr? Here's a notable section:

What about the next album then?

Mani: It’ll be soon and it won’t sound like this one at all It’ll be dub, funk, fuckin’ jazz music…

Ian: We’ll do a funk LP next, something completely different for 1996. And a live LP too before that.

John: A funk LP? I don’t intend making a funk record, personally. I’ve got another album almost written, I made a list of songs up yesterday actually.

Reni: Look, if the next one takes as long, I’ll have my solo LP out first.

I'm assuming that the 'album almost written' that Squire was talking about ended up being the bulk of The Seahorses album...

Yes, I believe that is so.

The story was, Ian refused to do "Love is the law" because he thought it 'crap'.

Actually the song is alright if you keep the tune and the chorus, and take the lyrics to the verses outside and set light to them. A lot.

'Strap on Sally chased us down the alley, we feared for our behinds'!

exactly.

The "rum old slapper" made me go "wha?" but by the time they got to that verse I was like "NO SHUTTUP GO AWAY!"

I don't mind its long solo-out but yes, nothing's making up for those verses. I actually saw the Seahorses in a small venue soon after they came out - realising that no, nothing was going to turn up and this really was where Squire wanted to be at, was just mystifying.

If he wants to "not desecrate the memory of the Stone Roses", he shouldn't worry, that one track did it on its own.

There was some Aleister Crowley influence on the whole thing, supposedly and iirc, which is even worse.

Thank god they split when they did!

Earlier on today I listened to both Second Coming and The Seahorses album when I realised I hadn't heard either of them for quite some time, and I found myself quite enjoying the production on The Seahorses record, especially the drum sound. But there are a few things that sink the record for me.

The best material is often sunk by the lyrics: as you've already mentioned, Mark G, there is a potentially great melody/guitar riff in 'Love Is The Law' which is kinda spoiled by the lyrical content, which sounds as though Squire was following Oasis a little too much (see also guesting with Oasis on 'Champagne Supernova' at Knebworth, and also getting Liam Gallagher in to co-write 'Love Me And Leave Me'). There are exceptions, I guess - the lyrics on 'Standing On Your Head' (another Stone Roses reject, or so I've read) are possibly the least embarrassing of all of Squire's contributions. The Chris Helme contributions ('I Want You To Know', 'Blinded By The Sun', 'Hello') still have a few lyrical clangers ("look an Aunty George and Uncle Mabel", indeed), but admittedly the worst lyrics on the Helme contributions don't reach the supreme awfulness of the worst lyrics of Squire's contributions.

On a musical level, I think the album starts off rather well with the two Chris Helme songs, but then just dives headfirst into monotony - with only 'Love Is The Law' and 'Standing On Your Head' in particular "standing out" of Squire's contributions.

'Happiness Is Eggshaped' and 'Round The Universe' I found to be, in particular, extremely awful. Jolly Britpop-by-numbers that even Dodgy would have thought twice about releasing.

Why on earth did he want to go in that direction? I'll never understand.

I remember "Blinded" as being basically alright, and "Love me and leave me" (Liams contribs having been way overstated, he helped with the tune, apparently, but adding his name to the credits did the sales no harm) being OK but not blinding.

Did they got to the second album? Can't remember.

The second album exists in partially-completed bootlegs, and you can virtually hear Chris Helme wincing his way through the lyrics on the likes of tracks called "Tomb Raid" and (I kid you not) "Cocksucker Blue".

I know BBut went solo, on Creation, and what I heard was OK, but by then he'd spoiled his profile and people kept away.

From the 'unreleased' Seahorses second album - this is "Cocksucker Blue".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qKxHUvbU0Y

Yes, I believe that is so.

The story was, Ian refused to do "Love is the law" because he thought it 'crap'.

Actually the song is alright if you keep the tune and the chorus, and take the lyrics to the verses outside and set light to them. A lot.

― Mark G, Saturday, October 22, 2011 7:56 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

I've just stumbled upon this quote from Ian Brown which I've never seen before...

Ian: "‘Love is the Law’ was going to be on the ‘Second Coming’. We demoed it. Reni just plays an acoustic on it and John just plays an acoustic as well. It’s good song, yeah, I was dead keen to get it on the album but John wasn’t."

Hrrm! Interesting!

http://louderthanwar.com/blogs/stone-roses-second-coming-album-re-evaluated

just got an email, may be of interest to anyone in or near Warrington...

The Stone Roses will play a free concert tonight at Warrington Parr Hall

The Stone Roses will play a short set tonight (Wednesday 23rd May) at Warrington Parr Hall.

This is a free concert. Fans can collect one wristband per person from the Warrington Pyramid box office (next to Warrington Parr Hall) from 4pm today.

To qualify for a free ticket to this very special warm up show fans will need to take a Stone Roses CD inlay cover, record sleeve, official band t-shirt or Heaton Park ticket with them to the Pyramid box office in order to get a wrist band. All entrants must be aged 14+.

Doors will be at 8pm.

The charity HUGS ('Helping Uganda Schools') will be collecting donations at the venue.

"stone rose by any other name ..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPhXfxgHuIQ

yeah only found out about this as i was driving through warrington town centre to go shopping and my sis mentioned to me why there might be a little more traffic than usual.

last night

So did anyone here go? I'm kinda curious as to how much of a shambles they'd be.

the world's worst professional music writer John Robb awards it a no doubt earned five out of five in today's Guardian

I can't believe John Robb gets paid by anyone to do anything tbh. Should have stuck to playing the bass, he was quite good at that.

So they didn't play I Am The Resurrection? Blimey.

They were all hoping to catch a glimpse of the band who soundtracked a generation and, with the sugar-coated guitar pop of their 1989 debut album, set the template for almost all good British guitar bands over the following two decades, from Oasis to Arctic Monkeys

somewhat debatable eh what

from Omega to Alpha

with the sugar-coated guitar pop of their 1989 debut album, set the template for almost all good tedious wanky necrophiliac British guitar bands over the following two decades, from Oasis to Arctic Monkeys

Robb's a useless hack professional Mancunian. Apparently a very nice man, though.

i hung out with john @ glasto'05 due to our playlouder (rip) connections, and can confirm that despite his never ending love of self promotion, he is really good company.

yep i was there and it was brilliant. John looked about 19, Alan W really is a freaking fantastic drummer. really lovely atmosphere too. everyone was hugging very closely on stage at the end; you just don't see bands doing that much. was the hottest, sunniest afternoon i've seen in Warrington since i were a lad too.

Astounding that this was news on BBC radio, which in 1989 was too busy with Jive Bunny and Big Fun to play anything by the Stone Roses.

good call

I was going to say "don't knock Inner City!" until I Googled Big Fun and was reminded of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Fun_(boyband)

All three members of the band are gay, but were told by Pete Waterman they could not come out as it would ruin their career. After disbanding, Creswick became a painter and decorator

given SAW's Motown fixation the comparison with 1960s enthusiasts the Roses is understandable

Cats out of the bag now mate, no more painting jobs for you round here. xp

In truth Big Fun were the Menswear of SAW Popworld.

seems like a similar comment to sicks upthread touched a nerve :

http://louderthanwar.com/john-robb-accused-of-being-a-professional-mancunian/

In the context of the Stone Roses you pull the ‘nostalgia’ criticism and, yes, they are from the past but also exist in the present. In the context of the Stone Roses you pull the ‘nostalgia’ criticism and, yes, they are from the past but also exist in the present. In the context of the Stone Roses you pull the ‘nostalgia’ criticism and, yes, they are from the past but also exist in the present. In the context of the Stone Roses you pull the ‘nostalgia’ criticism and, yes, they are from the past but also exist in the present. In the context of the Stone Roses you pull the ‘nostalgia’ criticism and, yes, they are from the past but also exist in the present. In the context of the Stone Roses you pull the ‘nostalgia’ criticism and, yes, they are from the past but also exist in the present. In the context of the Stone Roses you pull the ‘nostalgia’ criticism and, yes, they are from the past but also exist in the present. In the context of the Stone Roses you pull the ‘nostalgia’ criticism and, yes, they are from the past but also exist in the present. In the context of the Stone Roses you pull the ‘nostalgia’ criticism and, yes, they are from the past but also exist in the present. In the context of the Stone Roses you pull the ‘nostalgia’ criticism and, yes, they are from the past but also exist in the present. In the context of the Stone Roses you pull the ‘nostalgia’ criticism and, yes, they are from the past but also exist in the present. In the context of the Stone Roses you pull the ‘nostalgia’ criticism and, yes, they are from the past but also exist in the present. In the context of the Stone Roses you pull the ‘nostalgia’ criticism and, yes, they are from the past but also exist in the present. In the context of the Stone Roses you pull the ‘nostalgia’ criticism and, yes, they are from the past but also exist in the present. In the context of the Stone Roses you pull the ‘nostalgia’ criticism and, yes, they are from the past but also exist in the present.

tl;dr

I am sure you know all this and I am sure you are deservedly well paid for your work, as I do recognise your name and your work in indie films which would make me think you would understand a city like Manchester.

I mistakingly had you down as an actress who was bit hipper than the rest, and that, combined with your experiments with drugs in the past, should have made Manchester a city that you should have connected with. You rebelled against stuffiness in your youth and spent six months in a city that doesn’t do stuffiness- surely a perfect coupling!

http://louderthanwar.com/an-open-letter-to-chloe-sevigny-a-reply-to-her-comments-about-manchester/

ive never heard of this cunt before but he really is special

In the summer of 2008 Robb was appointed visiting fellow of popular culture at Salford University.[7]

"popular"

Your claim that it was hard to make friends in Manchester is odd, because for a city of its size it is a friendly place. Maybe you should have come out of your hotel suite more and hung out with normal people at the 40-plus gig venues in town, or all the bars, restuarants and all the other social places where normal people go to.

thought he was getting zingy by directing chloe sevigny to the 40+ venues but oh wait it's just another tourist board inventory

there's nowhere friendly than hipster bars and clubs, it's true

friendlier, even

, restuarants and all the other social places where normal people go to.

In 2012 he will be releasing a 100 000 word overhaul of his best selling Stone Roses book. His music culture website Louder Than War has become one of the most influential blogs.

we shd do hierarchies of normal thread sometime soon

every city probably has its own self-appointed cheerleader and all of them are stuck in a dream of "vibrant culture" that a 20 yr-old wd blush at

"if you like drugs and over 40+ live music venues then you know what's going down in 2012"

You would then have noticed that, like most Northern cities in the last ten years, Manchester is hardly ‘grim’, and that all the girls don’t dress like ‘chavs’, whatever dressing like a ‘chav’ is. Is that last statement a touch snobbish? It certainly sounds a bit like Marie Antionette telling the peasants to eat cake – maybe you did not mean it that way.

god when did the YOUTH-PUNK-THE CITY-REBELLION THROUGH T SHIRTS-SCENE SCENE SCENE-CLASSIC BANDS nexus ossify into this stupidity of early middle age? 1979?

everything is from the past but also exists in the present, ghoulishly feasting

It’s a long time since Manchester has been cloth caps and whippets, this is a modern city with a lot going on and with a great history. It was once the most radical city in the world, the world’s first industrial city, a radical city of Karl Marx, suffraggetes and revolution, and an amazing pop culture. Surely there must have been something to interest you?

manchester was boring but not any more: manchester has a great history: interesting things used to happen there in the 19th century: what's not to like about modern manchester?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--SPzBfgQs2Q/T7eANhxomhI/AAAAAAAAAYs/Ss4wB2fC7U4/s1600/006.JPG

The big event looming upon the 21st century in connection with this absolute speed, is the invention of a perspective of real time, that will supersede the perspective of real space, which in its turn was invented by Italian artists in the Quattrocento. It has still not been emphasized enough how profoundly the city, the politics, the war, and the economy of the medieval world were revolutionized by the invention of perspective.

feel bad for peter hook having to listen to these groaning nostalzheimers cases, he could use some younger company to cheer him up

Even Ian Huntley isn't jealous of John Robb

Never told my husband that when my friends and I first spotted him over ten years ago, at the time, he was a dead ringer for Ian Brown. Guess he'll know that now.

I found this piece quite interesting, if a little idealistic. I certainly imbued The Stone Roses with way too much importance and potential in my mind as a teenager, and by and large consider them failures now.

http://thequietus.com/articles/08921-stone-roses-britpop

Now, as the Roses reformation is finally upon us, we can expect more of the same. Initial reactions to the reunion gigs have been positive; but the old grumbles – the accusations of musical conservatism, the gripes about “laddism”, the compulsion to find new animal-metaphors for Ian Brown’s voice – are surely only a clock-tick away.

some of us have been doing this since 1989 fuck yr ladrock apologism

There's a handful of tracks on the debut album and a handful more around it - Fools Gold, Standing Here, Something's Burning, Where Angels Play - plus maybe Begging You on 2nd Coming, that actually do what I wanted this band to do. But that's all.

this isn't kneejerk "lol bloggers" but that quietus piece is insane bullshit imo. interesting to see what some bores can project onto these wasters tho.

i feel like i shd take my revulsion onto a new thread so i'm sorry and i'll try to shut up. on the other hand fuck dedicating any thread to these lumps.

I find your complete hatred of them quite endearing, actually.

Fuck, hadn't seen that awful Robb / Ellesse / Hacienda / Hooky picture above before. That's fucking awful.

the worst thing about my hatred is that it's informed by a MONDAYS 4 LIFE ethos from back in the day. but i still maintain that the wrong band "won"

revile away Mr NV! The self titled album along with NWA's debut is pretty much all I listened to during my first year at university. I still pretty much love that whole record + 'What The World Is Waiting For' and 'Fool's Gold'.

also i think i was peeved from reading big hype reviews talking about THE FUTURE and then hearing an album that sounded like a C86 band with glossier production.

will always rep for "Tunes Splits the Atom" tho tbf. And "Fools Gold" was obv a worthwhile record.

^ steady on with the spoilers there!

Obviously Fools Gold is their great moment and if I just focus on that I could maybe go along with the cobblers you read about them, but I shared NV's reaction to hearing them at the time - it just sounded so limp, like cobbled-together bits of the saggy arse-end of 80s indie dressed up in new togs. Annoying too to read all the stuff about Squire being some sort of maverick guitar visionary when just the year before you'd obviously had a shitload of great guitar albums from Sonic Youth, MBV, Dinosaur Jr, House of Love, Butthole Surfers, Thin White Rope, AR Kane etc. Okay, he might have been a revelation compared to the Inspiral Carpets or James or whatever, but just compare Squire's wah wah playing with someone like J Mascis and it just sounds like tentative tinkering to me. Even a few of the second division C86-ish UK indie bands like the Wolfhounds had upped their game hugely and were putting out much more adventurous, ferocious music than the neo-Byrdsian backwash singalongs of the Stone Roses.

the stone roses were alright imo but it doesn't make the realguitarmusicLAD nonsense around them and their predictable pension fund topup any more risible

cool article. still love listening to the first album b-sides.

I was never a big fan, although I liked the 1st album OK. But I was into jangly C86 stuff a lot back in the early-mid 90s, and I remember once one of my friends who was more of an Oasis/Roses/Beatles type of guy (amongst other things, I'm kinda selling his eclecticism short a bit here) moaning about the wimpy indie shit I was playing on the stereo, when it was She Bangs The Drums, by a band which was supposedly one of his favourites. How he didn't recognise the song I don't know, but it fits in pretty well with what people are saying here about what the Stone Roses actually sounded like vs the mythology about them.

'my vibrant and diverse music taste stretches from the majestic peaks of oasis to the verdant valleys of embrace and the balmy shores of starsailor'

Stone Roses were a fantastic rhythm section chained to turgid and mediocre leads who had the chutzpah to think they were the whole show.

Yes I loved them for the first album and the string of 12"s after but the magic there was John Leckie sifting a lovely psychedelic spray over a tight rhythm section.

Anyway, enough challops. I quite liked their "classic" period but I'm sick to the back teeth of the semi-mystical legends (both on the Dadrock side and the "rave music w rickenbackers" brigade) that have spun up around them.

In 89 my brother was a Roses fan and I was a Mondays fan. After months of nagging I finally listened to their debut album around the time of "Fools gold" and was mightily unimpressed It sounded like feeble Byrds recycling to me, and this supposed dance crossover, which was only "Resurrection" anyway, was being done far better (and earlier) by A Certain Ratio. John Leckie's production is fine (and he was picked due to the Dukes of Stratosfear album), but I never saw anything radical in them. The change into trad rock on "Second coming" made sense in the context of Oasis energing and Primal Scream's "dance traitor" moves in 94. I never saw them as political, they could have picked up all the 1968 references from all the articles in the media in 88 (there's even one in "Blissed out", advising people to look forward and not back). Sorry, I digress..

WCC otm Mani and Reni did deserve better than to be behind those other two bell-ends

There's so little "dance" music in there; it's just Reni's drumming and Begging You.

Oh there was Mani in there too. No coincidence that Primal Scream stopped being dance traitors when he joined, either.

It's my impression that people who grew up in England can't give an evaluation of the Stone Roses that isn't clouded by some assessment of the late 80s scene, which it seems many Brits feel was vaguely embarrassing. As an American, I don't have that baggage. Maybe not coincidentally, I find the Stone Roses far more timeless and singular (at least before Second Coming) than my British counterparts, who are comfortable lumping them in with a bunch of other bands.

^^^ OTM. So much is said about their failure to break into America but if you were listening to alternative radio stateside in the late 80's and were too young to remember the Smiths in their heyday, the Roses seemed like the most interesting British rock group to come around in ages.

The NME Top Ten singles of 1989 goes to show you how overrated they were in the UK:

1. She Bangs The Drums - The Stone Roses
2. Fools Gold - The Stone Roses
3. Can't Be Sure - The Sundays
4. Made Of Stone - The Stone Roses
5. Pacific State - 808 State
6. Fight The Power - Public Enemy
7. The Third Time We Opened The Capsule - Kitchens Of Distinctions
8. Back To Life - Soul II Soul
9. Last Of The Famous International Playboys - Morrissey
10. All Around The World - Lisa Stansfield

This was the year btw of those three great singles off 3 Feet High & Rising, Happy Mondays' WFL, NWA's Express Yourself, Like A Prayer, Buffalo Stance, Ride On Time, 3AM Eternal, French Kiss, god knows what else...

Should probably have Chime in there too

every one of those Stone Roses songs is better than Buffalo Stance.

Now don't you get fresh with me

Poliopolice - what is he like, anyway?

Amongst all this I'm surprised "WFL" by the Mondays wasn't a huge smash - IMO that's the tune that embodies everything great about what was going on in Manchester

First LP by the Roses is always going to be a classic but I feel like 20 years from now the kids will dig it a lot but wonder at the same time "why the hell were so many people talking about this"

probably sound like a damned fool saying this but wfl might be my favourite hannett production

if just for that guitar bit

Probably wasn't because it came out a number of times and ended up selling loads but over a long period of time.

it was like the Velvet Underground, not many bands bought WFL but all the ones that did went out and got a terrible indie-dance remix

.. GROUP!

http://www.nme.com/news/the-stone-roses/64288

so, is mani going to have to hand over that 2 million quid he found in his bank account back ?

looks like he already done the lot
http://www.thestoolpigeon.co.uk/admin/wp-content/uploads/mani.jpg

the droomer is a coont

I find the Roses sort of fascinating for many of the reasons illustrated above. As an American, I heard the hype, first, then I heard the music, and the music ... it's pretty conservative. Mildly psychedelic, not exactly pedestrian but surely not radical, and their loose affiliation with any sort of dance scene baffled me. Just seemed like a solid, '60s-referencing group. I can totally see them as ground zero for Oasis, though.

so, will we get to see photos then of the gigs this weekend ?

i don't mean the thousands of mobile snaps cos you know, that would be just wrong.

?

big old contractual dispute going on between the origanisers and professional photographers.

apparently there is a bit of a stannd off.

from my limited insight, i think the original contract insisted that any photos taken would be owned by the stone roses as opposed to the photographer.

hence the stand off.

has rattled around facebook all week.

ian tilton is pushing for a boycott .. and having just checked on facecrook, it appears to be on ..

proper detail :

http://www.petapixel.com/2012/06/28/photogs-boycotting-concerts-after-band-asks-to-pay-only-1-for-all-photo-rights/

Simple fix. If you're a photographer wanting to go so you can take pictures that you then sell of for loads of money, don't go. Not sure why there's drama. Sounds like they don't really want photogs there anyway. If you looked like Ian and John, you prob. wouldn't want fancy pics of you sweating on stage either.

I think they've signed an exclusive deal with the Men Who Look Like Old Lesbians thread

My 23-year-old brother is off to Manchester today and is stoked for the gig. Bit weird having him go see a band I was listening to when he was born.

this is really shitty
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-18644630

on the way to the phoenix park iirc

watch out for hurled containers of piss. Not like i need to tell you

just standard issue on the northside iirc. We're considering stoneybatter now btw, tho herself is taken to wearin a nosepeg while surfin daft.