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LTM is bringing back to life some really negleted factory releases. What are you suggestions to make it even better? You can even cc James Nice on you answers! (no, don't do it)

AndreNY (AndreNY), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 02:56 (twenty-one years ago)

They should release their first CD single, a reissue of the first two James EP's.

svend (svend), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 03:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Modern Eon, anyone?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 03:42 (twenty-one years ago)

the second gordons album, even if it is horrible.

keith m (keithmcl), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 03:47 (twenty-one years ago)

why on earth would he release a gordons album?

i'd like to see reissues of more crepuscule albums, particularly their many compilations.

are 'friends' electricsound? (electricsound), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 03:58 (twenty-one years ago)

the Ike Yard album would be nice as well as anything from the Ron Johnson records catalog. Surely the world is ready from a resurgence of Stump, A Witness, Jackdaw with Crowbar,etc.

dialecticbricks (dialecticbricks), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 03:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Ike Yard fully compiled

Paul (scifisoul), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 04:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Fruit Of The Original Sin and From Brussels With Love

Paul (scifisoul), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 04:48 (twenty-one years ago)

ltm should do the summer hits and world of twist reissues. revola has done some good things but they should just stick to sunshine pop or whatever it is they do most of the time

are 'friends' electricsound? (electricsound), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)

The Best Of Soft Verdict

Paul (scifisoul), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 04:50 (twenty-one years ago)

World Of Twist - yes!

Paul (scifisoul), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 04:51 (twenty-one years ago)

"A Witness" already had a cd out a few years ago on Overground I think, don't think much of a demand to reissue it again.

svend (svend), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 04:53 (twenty-one years ago)

considering he managed to extract the wake from the caverns of the Sarah catalogue, perhaps he would have the skills to undergo a comprehensive Orchids reissue program.

are 'friends' electricsound? (electricsound), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 04:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Everything ever put out by Rational Records.

smart he man goblin, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 11:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Albums from "The Opposition"

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 11:26 (twenty-one years ago)

More good comps like Cool as Ice and this : http://home.planet.nl/~frankbri/ltm2398.html

What I most wanted was this....and now it's coming! http://home.planet.nl/~frankbri/ltm2396.html

It would be great if he could persuade Section 25 to get back in the Studio.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 11:48 (twenty-one years ago)

The Fire Engines!

Ian Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't believe he finally got a Marine CD together! That's big news. Nice to see Animal in My Head, their song from the Fruit of the Original Sin comp on their, that's my favorite post-punk song ever, maybe one of my favorite songs of any genre ever.

Acute's been in negotiations to do a Fire Engines CD for some time, as well as some other projects with Bob Last. We'll see what comes from that. We've also been treading on James' territory a bit in that I've wanted to do a Distractions CD for years but, and I'll repeat myself once more, Universal/Island has been difficult in the past.

But I definately second various Crepuscule comps, particularly From Brussels With Love and Fruit of the Original Sin, which, as a double album, may need to be more then 1 CD?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, if Acute does put out some Fire Engines, I hope they put a label on the CD. I don't know how many times I have put my copy of Glenn Branca's The Ascension in upside-down...that reminds me, I should check out that Quicktime video or whatever they attached to the CD.

Ian Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait! I know! Diagram Brothers! *laughs* "Bricks - they're very small..."

Ian Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

There's definately a label on The Ascension CD. I'm not sure what you're talking about!

Dark Beloved Cloud should do a Diagram Brothers CD. I sold Douglas one of their 7"s a few years ago, I think.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey Dan, don't you still owe me a Desperate Bicycles CDR? ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

YES. SORRY. I'll send it asap. Do you need any Acute CDs? I'll even through in a suprise or something...

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

throw?

I do that all the time.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Throw, toss, whatever. ;-) Actually I don't own any Acute CDs at all yet! Er, I leave it up to you (I've wanted to hear all that stuff, though, it sounds great!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, an orchids singles compilation would be great. and a remastered unholy soul with the track listing correct and louder than a mouse's whisper.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Goodness, Diagram Bros. were so daft and brilliant. "Discordo when you're bored-o!"

My copy of The Ascension, I kid you not, has no cover label whatsoever on the disc. Both sides look exactly the same.

Ian Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 23:31 (twenty-one years ago)

why on earth would he release a gordons album?

to make me happy?

keith m (keithmcl), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned sounds all wishy-washy like he doesn't even want that Desperate Bicycles cd-r.

In that case just send it over here.

artdamages (artdamages), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

(i forgot to use the appropriate emoticon, sorry)

artdamages (artdamages), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

alright, Chris. Send me your address again and be prepared to wait. Or maybe not.

Ian, what do you mean "cover label"? Do you mean on the actual CD? The Disk itself is white on top with the words "Glenn Branca" and "The Ascension" in black. The released CDs and the promo CDs are all like that. Are you sure you have the Acute version of the Ascension and not the Newtone italian release? Don't know what that one looks like. But I'm pretty sure there's plenty of info on the Acute version, I typeset the damn thing myself. In an effort to match the original LP release, I went as far as realizing to match it I'd have to use Avant Garde Condensed with 70% Horizontal scaling or whatever. And all you see is a shiny blank surface?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 1 July 2004 05:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Keith would you like a tape of that Gordons record? It's far from horrible.

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 1 July 2004 05:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, I did mean the cover label. There isn't one whatsoever on my copy, just shiny blank surface where a cover should be. I bought it from the local record store here, Vinyl Fever (great chaps, best record store in the entire Southeast), and it is on the Acute label, reissued last year. It plays the album and it also the video clip of him freaking out live in 1978 producing two minutes of squalling feedback.

Ian Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

You mean on the physical CD or the booklet? I don't get what yo mean by cover label...the printing on the actual CD can be referred to as the disk label. The cover would be the front of the booklet, which in this case is just a scanned and very carefully retouched version of the famous Longo artwork from he original record. Either way that's bullshit! Was it sealed? What you have is either a mistake from the plant or someone made a CD-r copy or something. Everything, including all the promos, had the full artwork. If you bought it like that sealed, I'll talk to my partner and look into it.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan, did you see my I'm So Hollow thread the other day? Do you like their album? (I only have the 45.)

Tim Ellison, Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

didn't see the thread and don't know the band, will check it out.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

where is it?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, about a year ago, I emailed James asking about the possibility of putting out From Brussels With Love. He said he had no plans to do so. Didn't even give me the impression it would happen in the future!

Bimble (bimble), Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Not much response, but here it is.

Tim Ellison, Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

No? Why on earth not? What about Soft Verdict and Michael Nyman and all of that? My first thought is maybe James prefers the new wave/poppy side of things, but then I remembered all those cool futurist and archival type releases he did. I'd say I don't think From Brussels With Love would be a huge seller, but I'd say the same about some of the other releases on LTM, so I can't imagine that would be it.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

It's just the disc label, Dan, sorry about the confusion...shiny surface on both sides, probably a mistake at the plant as it definitely is not a CD-R and I bought it sealed. Everything else is intact, and the CD does play, very well at that, including the video (goodness, that's inspiring)... ~Je regrette, Ian

Ian Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

From Brussels With Love not a huge seller? I doubt that. All those artists that became so much more famous later...I would think it would satisfy a lot of 'collector itch' for a lot of people. There has to be a reason why it goes for such ridiculous sums of money on ebay!

Bimble (bimble), Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

No kidding...I would buy From Brussels With Love were it reissued...

Ian Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe it'd involve a licensing problem, with all the various people involved. It'd be one thing if Crepuscule had the rights forever, but what if you'd have to deal with all those entities? Could be a hassle, though James has accomplished some pretty amazing reissue accomplishments(and was a big influence to us at Acute.)

Ian, I'll talk to my partner, see what was up, and perhaps we can send you a replacement, or at least a replacement disk. Send me your address off-list.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 1 July 2004 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

It's fine, I don't need a replacement...besides, printing and pressing errors usually end up becoming an odd sought-after (spectacular?) commodity and people end up paying insane amounts of money for them...not that I would ever part from The Ascension or anything, but I meant that in such an aspect I could view it as a collector's item, like my copy of Fly Pan Am's second album that I received as a free promo just because there was a misprint on the packaging.

Ian Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 1 July 2004 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

it's your call. watch now as thousands of ilxors who've never bought an Acute title start emailing me "umm, my uh, copy of that cd by *mumbles* looks funny, can you send me another?"

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 1 July 2004 18:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Complete Sudden Sway discography.

Momus (Momus), Thursday, 1 July 2004 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Sudden Sway! Nice to see them mentioned here.

Bimble (bimble), Thursday, 1 July 2004 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Come on, people, one more post on this thread before it goes down!

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 2 July 2004 07:46 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...
As I mumbled on this thread:

Coming up from LTM

Here's what's coming up next after the summer releases:

Fall 2004 will also bring new CD releases from The Servants (Reserved), Anna Domino (Best Of), Revenge (Live), Severed Heads (Rotund for Success), Steven Brown (Half Out), The Room (In Evil Hour/Clear!), Kalima (Night Time Shadows) and some way cool goodies on the revamped Boutique label

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 July 2004 13:13 (twenty-one years ago)

anyone know what to search and destroy from that lot?

also, s & d LTM's catalogue too?

cºzen (Cozen), Sunday, 25 July 2004 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

s & d the more 'obscure' of the catalogue (i.e. not the stockholm monsters, josef k, passage axis).

cºzen (Cozen), Sunday, 25 July 2004 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Hm, give me time to think on that one...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 July 2004 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...
OK here goes Cozen.

1) Totally Essential

a) Blue Orchids - The Greatest Hit. grimy spectral beauty the line 'the mathematics of music ringing in my ears' sums it up.

b) Section 25 - From The Hip. SXXV get their hands on New Orders sequencers and a pulsing northern techno results. Impossibly great.

c) Section 25 - The Key Of Dreams. Blackpool's own Can sleepwalk through the shadows, flitting in and out of view.

d) V/A - Cool As Ice (Be Music Productions) If you only get one get this! Utterly fantastic collection in which Section 25 invent a v miserable kind of acid house, and 52nd Street, Quando Quango, Marcel King etc mash down in a Hacienda stylee.

2) You should also get :

a) Blue Orchids - The Sleeper. Unreleased 1993 album from a late BO line-up, simply confirms Martin Bramah's utter songwriting genius. Loses points for occasionally veering towards baggyness, but still grebt.

b) Cath Carroll - England Made Me. Gorgeous blend of lazy synths, bossa nova and acoustic guitars. Heartbreaking.

c) Miaow - When It All Comes Down. Everything they did. On the face of it a fairly typical mid 80's guitar band, on deeper inspection they're doing things that no-one else did, before or since

d)Ludus - The Damage. Best place to start with Linder's mad combo. jazzpopfunkrock n' hormones. Don't mess.

e) Ludus - The Visit/The Seduction. Releatively straightforward for them - in another galaxy compared to everyone else.

f) The Wake - Harmony and Singles. Some great synth sounds and pulsing atmospherics guiding Caesar's tales of loss, redemption and catholic guilt.

g) Section 25 - Always Now. Recorded at great expense at Britannia Row, very expensive Peter Saville sleeve, impossibly uncommercial and glum record.

h) Ultramarine - Every Man and Woman Is A Star. Beautiful anglo-folk-electronica. Owls hoot, Kevin Ayers pops up, sequencers burble and pop like never before.

3) Good

a) The Wake - Holy Heads. Both Sarah albums - surely the best things ever released on that turd of a label. They almost rock on the first one 'Tidal Wave of Hype'

b) Swamp Children - So Hot. Quasi-ACR/jazzbo combo's first recd before they became Kalima. Crap vocals spoil a bit

c)Quando Quango - Pigs and Battleships. Manc/Belg funkpop thing - not quite as funky or pop as it could be. Still good.

d)Crispy Ambulance - The Plateau Phase. Not like anything else at all. Ever. Rumbling and groaning rhythms, keening vox and strange synth textures zoom in.

e) Blue Orchids - From Severe to Serene. Classic Peel sessions, lo-fi Manchester gig and the Thirst EP. Nice!

4) Watch Out!

a) Minny Pops - Secret Stories. The singles Dolphin Spurt and Secret Stories are fanatastic. The rest varies from standard issue low-countries grimcore to unlistenable.

b)Ludus - The Pickpocket/Danger Came Smiling. A step too far towards skronk for me.

c)All The Other Crispy Ambulance CDs apart from Scissorgun, which I haven't heard - a little goes a long way

d) Crawling Chaos - The Gas Chair. I used to quite like this, but objectively it is fucking terrible.

e) Section 25 - From The Hip in The Flesh. Jenny Ross's vocals are SO far out of tune on these live in the USA cuts of the From The Hip material...what did the inhabitants of Baton Rouge make of it? From the audience response....not much.

5) Avoid Totally

The Royal Family and The Poor

I have yet to get the Marine Cd or Twice As Nice, the follow up to Cool as Ice. I fully expect that they're essential.


Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

c)All The Other Crispy Ambulance CDs apart from Scissorgun, which I haven't heard - a little goes a long way

Actually, Dr. C, I got around to hearing the new album from this year, The Powder Blind Dream, and it's REALLY good.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

O!

cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

what am I, made of bricks?!

(pst, thanks dr. c.)

cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

What? Did someone here actually, finally give an opinion on The Powder Blind Dream besides me? Did this miracle really occur?

New Crispy Ambulance album C/D?

Bimble (bimble), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

mostly agree w/ Dave except:

I much prefer the more accessible Ludus stuff, The Visit/The Seduction is favored over Danger Came Smiling, which I have on vinyl and couldn't really get into.

I've acutally never heard Key of Dreams. I have to get that.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

the tunnelvision thing, "guessing the way" - a collection of demos - is worth it for the astonishing re-recorded version of "watching the hydroplanes". horribly lo-fi in a recorded-on-a-ghettoblaster way, but still spine-tingling. it has a fuzz guitar that sounds like a string quartet.

and why no stockholm monsters on that list? amazing band, like a scally belle and sebastian. get "all at once", the singles collection; then "alma mater plus".

section 25, meanwhile, are perhaps the single greatest band ever to walk the earth; certainly the most under-rated. so i'd also recommend their last album, "love and hate": the CD is re-ordered from the original release and includes "crazy wisdom" - possibly their finest hour - as well as a couple of other works of genius.

and i love the sxxv live stuff; i think it's astonishing. so there :)

grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 20:09 (twenty-one years ago)

and why no stockholm monsters on that list?

! My goodness that's quite right. And you didn't mention the Passage reissues either, Dr. C! ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

That's cuz cºzen ask him to "s & d the more 'obscure' of the catalogue (i.e. not the stockholm monsters, josef k, passage axis)."

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

James is also doing a BERNTHÖLER reissue with a lot of tracks not just the two singles! wee! essential!

heroes + villains, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

That's cuz cºzen ask him to "s & d the more 'obscure' of the catalogue (i.e. not the stockholm monsters, josef k, passage axis)."

Bah, we'll have none of this talk about what he wished or didn't wish for. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

>That's cuz cºzen ask him to "s & d the more 'obscure' of the catalogue

hm, good point. shd probably have read above the divider.

still, doesn't excuse a) missing off "love and hate" and b) daring to suggest that sxxv were ever anything other than sonically perfect :)

grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

i've got the royal family and the poor's "we love the moon" reissue and it's actually not that bad. the single of the same name is quite a lovely song really..

purple patch (electricsound), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I've got a tape of some Royal Family & Poor - the tracks they had on that Factory Quartet thing (or whatever it was called with Blurt etc.). I'd say it was somewhat interesting, but I definitely wouldn't buy a CD of them. Crawling Chaos is indeed horrible.

I bought Key of Dreams once, listened to it once, decided pretty quickly I hated it. I remember the record store was actually kind enough to let me exchange it for Siouxsie's Kaleidoscope LP! I'm curious to hear what it sounds like again, though as I'm not a Section 25 hater by any means and I'm wondering why I had such a overwhelmingly negative reaction to it. Crazy Wisdom is indeed their finest moment, but the b-side to that 12" is ace, too. Just get the CD of From The Hip and you'll be set to go.

Anyone want to comment on Berntholer? I know nothing at all about that. Also curious to see The Servants featured for an LTM release.
I wonder does this mean the old Servants or the revamped Servants or possibly a whole new third incarnation of same?

Bimble (bimble), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

they should reissue silicon teens.

keith m (keithmcl), Thursday, 19 August 2004 00:41 (twenty-one years ago)

That's Daniel Miller = Mute (or was Mute).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 August 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

And of today I've received the Marine, Berntholer, Anna Domino best-of and Winston Tong CDs. Yay!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 August 2004 01:00 (twenty-one years ago)

**and why no stockholm monsters on that list?**

Hey, I left out The Monsters, Passage and Josef K cos Cozen didn't want to know about them. My Monsters luv is well established and chronicled here : http://www.freakytrigger.co.uk/stockholm.html

**mostly agree w/ Dave except:
I much prefer the more accessible Ludus stuff, The Visit/The Seduction is favored over Danger Came Smiling, which I have on vinyl and couldn't really get into**

No, I agree. I thought I'd said that!

Oh I forgot Tunnelvision. I sort of love Watching The Hydroplanes, but a whole CD is a bridge too far for me. They're actually back together again.

**still, doesn't excuse a) missing off "love and hate" and b) daring to suggest that sxxv were ever anything other than sonically perfect :)**

Good call. Love and Hate is OK - I don't have the reissue, I have it on vinyl and I don't know if it's a dodgy pressing or summat, but it sounds pretty thin and amateurish compared with the majesty of From The Hip. I guess it's a different band in a way - only Larry and Jenny left by then IIRC. They were a great live band, although I only saw them in the Larry, Vince, Paul Wiggins pre-sequencer days when they used to support New Order everywhere. Vince was a great live drummer btw.


Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 19 August 2004 08:54 (twenty-one years ago)

what i wish:
- prag vec
- delta 5
- fire engines
- a collection of early creation singles
- glaxo babies
- world domination enterprises
- early scritti politti singles
- ut
- the tea set
- scars "author author" lp


giulio from genova, Thursday, 19 August 2004 09:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Creation did the Fire Engines reissue. I think someone's doing Delta 5 soon. (Stewart O - did you tell me this?)

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 19 August 2004 09:46 (twenty-one years ago)

>Tunnelvision are actually back together again.

i 'eard that rumour. heheh.

>Love and Hate is OK - I don't have the reissue, I have it on vinyl
>and I don't know if it's a dodgy pressing or summat, but it
>sounds pretty thin and amateurish

yeh ... it sort-of is. it was delayed for a year because factory thought it was a demo, apparently ... they just sat there waiting for larry to deliver something else. it's the most under-produced album in the world, and the track ordering on the original is *terrible*. but the CD is remastered (as much as you can remaster something so flawed) and re-ordered, and works much, much, *much* better.

grimly fiendish, Thursday, 19 August 2004 12:03 (twenty-one years ago)

A Delta 5 CD is apparently nearing completion and I believe there's a prag VEC one in the pipeline too.

Not from LTM 'though.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 19 August 2004 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Kill Rock Stars w/ help from Jason at Perfect Sound Forever, I believe is doing the Delta 5 and maybe also Prag Vec

Acute is probably doing the Fire Engines.

Anyone have contact info for the Glaxo Babies? I've considered it for Acute.

Early Scritti Politti seems unlikely.

I've thought about Ut, and have a connection to them, but could never decide. My favorite stuff of theirs is the later stuff which isn't very hard to find. Griller and In Gut's House can still be picked up on CD from Blast First. Some of the early tracks may appear on a forthcoming follow-up to Anti-NY being put together by Stuart Argabright (Death Comet Crew/Dominatrix/Ike Yard)

Phil Smee from Waldo's, who's more known as a graphic designer, owns the rights to some of the Tea Set material, while the band owns the rest, including an unreleased LP. He gave me their email address but I haven't followed through yet.

My dream project is stil the Distractions, the only issue is wondering if we can take the chance not legally licensing the Island material, because I can't get anywhere with that. The band would get paid for it though, just not Universal Music. It's a shady area, ethically.

Another is Manicured Noise, if James Nice doesn't beat me to it. They had 2 FANTASTIC singles and apparently an earlier line-up that was more experimental. Robert Lloyd thanks them in the Prefects liner notes, but when asked says he hasn't talked to them in many many years.

Acute has one or two other tricks up it's sleeve that we'd rather not talk about yet!

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 19 August 2004 12:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Hi, Dave. I loved Metal Boys featuring China (reviewed them for Voice) and was wondering what's known about her? Not much, I take it? Also digging Dr.Mix; is that about all of the Metal Urbain cache?(NO live,uh--?)Hope somebody will/has? rescued most of Razor & Tie's OOP TOTALLY WIRED (more Mo-dettes to be had?) Jason Gross is a world-class citizen (OHM:, LiliPUT, FANFARE IN THE GARDEN have made my prev. P&J Top 10, and DNA ON DNA will be on the next, duh) Great to know he's working on Delta 5 and PV. Just had to get that rave in there. (Also, John Corbett's Vinyl Freak column in "Downbeat" has in depth descriptions of LP-onlies he's unearthed; yeah jazz but often with poprock appeal of one kind or another). Someone mentioned Rational Records; yeah, I asked Chuck Eddy why all that Deetroit stuff had never been CDd, and he hadn't figured it out eithr (and he's from there). CD-Rs of some used to be online (like earliest and most intriguing Bob Seger singles)(CD-R of SEEDS AND STEMS comp??) But Dave, also, who are the Distractions!?

Don Allred, Thursday, 19 August 2004 13:44 (twenty-one years ago)

WHO ARE THE DISTRACTIONS!!

Look here : http://home.swipnet.se/skroff/distractions.html

I didn't really like the Essential Logic CD - too much lame 90's material in there. It's an admirable effort though.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 19 August 2004 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)

some more family fodder stuff would be cool. lemon kittens maybe?

draws blank,
m.

msp, Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I, for one, would greatly appreciate a whole CD of Tea Set.

Bimble (bimble), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually do appreciate the thoroughness of what LTM and Acute are doing precisely because more and more of these hyper-obscure suggestions are coming to the fore for where to go next. And I'm intrigued! (After that compilation of the Room that came out earlier this year, I'm all for what else could be dug up.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned,

What's your take on the Winston Tong LTM reissue? I have the collaboration with Sussan Deyhim I can't get my head round it.

paul c (paul c), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Don, were those questions meant for me?

Don't know much about China but she's come out of hiding...Eric's in touch with her apparently.

Girls at Our Best, Dolly Mixture and the Mo-Dettes all deserve reissue. If KRS doesn't do it, maybe we will.

The Distractions were a manchester pub rock/power-pop band who caught the Buzzcocks buzz and started writing broken-hearted 60s garage rock and girl-group influenced songs with punk rock energy. They had 1 ep on TJM, a single on Factory(perhaps the best single of all time?) an LP and a few singles on Island, then a final single they self-released w/ Rough Trade's help. Their music was really wonderful.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah!Thanks. So maybe those 4 songs you like on a comp sometime eh?(I just saw yr. helpful geo description) I'm late to this, but obvious question is, Wanna Buy A Bridge? Oh well I suppose many things will skip mere CDs altogether & go straight to download only (re E.Logic: the good stuff on there is so good, and insufficient qty. don't mind the 90s, some of which has its own intriguing moments;years later, musicians on the sidewalk:"Lora? Is that you? How you doon?")

Don Allred, Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I've wondered about that, if you compiled everything the Distractions released NOT on Island, you get 9 songs. And Mike Finney sent me a tape they recorded in 95 of a few more songs, they can still play, it was really good, a bit more conventionally pub-rock-n-roll, not very new wave/punk though. But it was just seem like a disservice.

Maybe a lost Manchester release? Manicured Noise and the Distractions. Who else? Maybe some Object Music bands? Grow Up and IQ Zero and Steve Miro? I hope James Nice isn't reading this!

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 19 August 2004 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

What's your take on the Winston Tong LTM reissue?

Haven't had a chance to listen to it yet.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 August 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Object Records bands yes please.

Bimble (bimble), Thursday, 19 August 2004 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned, I think I wasn't in the right frame of mind to listen to a retelling of Orpheus and Eurydice.

paul c (paul c), Thursday, 19 August 2004 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, I have a Cranes album that does just that!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 August 2004 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

"Anyone want to comment on Berntholer?"

Belgian band that released their most famous single My suitor on Blanco y negro (first issue on Blue feather) Its been coevered by Kahimi karie and Figurine among others. Its the best Crepuscule-ish pop there is. Better than Mikado, Thick Pigeon and all those.

use Google

heroes + villains, Thursday, 19 August 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Of course I can use Google. I can always use Google. If I felt Googling would have given me what I was looking for, I would have. Please don't insult my intelligence.

Bimble (bimble), Thursday, 19 August 2004 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Lost Manchester! I'd buy that. Back in the USA: somebody should rescue Liquid Liquid from Grand Royal's deathgrip.

Don Allred, Thursday, 19 August 2004 23:53 (twenty-one years ago)

DFA is working on new stuff w/ Liquid Liquid. I contacted Richard Maguire some time ago about reissuing that stuff but he wasn't interested in doing more nostalgia stuff, or being grouped with a neo-no wave funk revival or something. Don't know how they finally relented to working with DFA, but eagerly await the results. The lead singer was most recently spotted hanging out at a party called Pop Your Funk when Andrew Weatherall was spinning his mostly oldies set.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 20 August 2004 02:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm. This is interesting information, Dan. I do think Liquid Liquid old stuff should be reissued, in fact I was hearing them in my head at times while reading this thread cause I went out jogging with them in my headphones one night this past week. It's intriguing that he didn't go for it. I do think it's possible for them to be overhyped, but still...that stuff at the very least deserves a reissue. I have this strange feeling Eno would highly approve of it. Oh well, dare we dream of some new DFA/Liquid Liquid project to blow our minds?

Also, being most candid now, if I'm talking to Santa (Father Christmas) and I tell him I want the ultimate reissue along these lines, LTM or someone else, then I would have to say the full Peel Session material of Ski Patrol and The Distributors, every last recording ever by Manchester band Gods Gift (God's Gift?) and some hidden demos or live stuff by Boots For Dancing that may only exist in my fantasizing imagination.

If this were to occur, I would no doubt lay myself inside a coffin quickly, with headphones.

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 20 August 2004 04:19 (twenty-one years ago)

What about WANNA BUY A BRIDGE tho?

Don Allred, Friday, 20 August 2004 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

never heard of those other bands but I'll talk to Bob Last about Boots For Dancing.

Almost all of Wanna Buy A Bridge can be found on various other reissues by this point.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 20 August 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Guys, my current main squeeze fabuloso obscuro (tracks together again/newly assembled/prev. unissued) is SAN FRANCISCO'S STILL DOOMED,Courtesy Crime,pioneer S.F. punks. Also wasn't surprised to lean that they started in glam era (Dolls x T.Rex), and right off I hea some (stylized, non-noodly) Jorma too.(with his neon Airplane-era r&b-ness.) Anyway broke up in 81; if had held out, could've seen them hooking with Gun Club,Cramps, Flesheaters, Link Wray for that matter (if he'd sent them a ticket). But no mellow let's-go-get-another-tattoo moments. They're hardcore in their own way. Comes out 8/31 (swamircords.com)

Don Allred, Friday, 20 August 2004 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Erm, make that "courtesy (of) Crime"; sorry bout uppercasing "courtesy." Anybody else got new old hot stuff to tell us about??

Don Allred, Friday, 20 August 2004 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I had never heard Flesheaters till that new comp on atavistic...I love it.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 20 August 2004 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Ski Patrol were on Killing Joke's label, Malicious Damage. I wouldn't say they sound like Killing Joke, though. Their song "Agent Orange" is supposed to be a favourite thing to play in Goth clubs. They released three 7" singles in '80-'81, then a fourth that really sucked. Both sides of the first three are incredible, though. Also, the singer of Ski Patrol (Ian Lowery) used to be in The Wall, a more traditional punk outfit on the Small Wonder label.

Distributors were on Red Rhino, and contributed a track to the Hicks From The Sticks compilation in 1980 entitled "T.V. Me". This track was released as a single and is a good place to start if you want to see what they're like. Danceable/funky/new wave. First two singles are ace...their third release was a 12" on Red Rhino which wasn't quite as good.

Anyway, just thought I'd give a little background on these.

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 20 August 2004 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

New comp on Atavistic!? I'll def check, thanks. Now I'm looking at Colye's entry in SPIN GUIDE (he's got 'em down as "Flesh Eaters."):"...first LP a virtual who's-who of the Dangerhouse-era scene(Doe, Cervenka, Bonebrake, Rat Garrett, etc.) ...coalesced inot a powerhouse for their second LP, A MINUTE TO PRAY, A SECOND TO DIE(in my opinion, the finest album ever recorded. This lineup (Dave Alvin, Bill Bateman, and Steve Berlin of the Blasters added to Doe and Bonebrake)...sliding between roars of punk bombast, American swapm-roots underpinnings, and explosive jazzy improvs like no one before or since." (Dunno about that: what about Link Wray, or Velvets live raveups,on boots like 1966, the PEEL SLOWLY box, or Live In Texas LP?) Anyway, he says all involved had prior committments, but he also digs lineups on FOREVER CAME TODAY, A HARD RAOD TO FOLLOW, GREATEST HITS/DESTROYED BY FIRE; also says "...lack of gigs and the emergence of harcore dogmatism spelled doom...", like with Crime! West Coast (and elsewhere) backlash against post-punk, as well as against other 80s stuff like MTV and Reaganism, I be thinkin'.

Don Allred, Friday, 20 August 2004 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Can't believe you mentioned the Velvets. I've been on slsk all day devouring pre-Velvets material such as the mind-bendingly amazing Primitives single. So much energy!!! The seeds of punk just begging to burst through Lou Reed's haphhazard clumsy beginnings!!! Haven't heard the Peel Slowly demo tracks yet, but will soon.

Your posts are a little hard to understand, Allred. But I will check out that swamirecords site you mentioned. And whatever this Atavistic thing is.

Bimble (bimble), Saturday, 21 August 2004 06:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Seconding the request for Modern Eon

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 21 August 2004 09:34 (twenty-one years ago)

thirding.

cºzen (Cozen), Saturday, 21 August 2004 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry about the posts Bimble. There was an LP boot, VELVET UNDERGROUND ETC, which had several of Lou's pre-VU demos and singles.(His very first recording,as far as I know, was as teenage singer, with late-50s doowop group the Shades; anybody know if that's been booted?) on PEEL SLOWLY, the demos aren't like "Cycle Annie" or other raw teenpop stuff, they're early configurations, him and Cale and friends, very gradually figuring out what they want to do (also one of Lou being sub-Dylan, as hell, even a harmonica[def. sub-Dylan]! The live jams on there are a lot better (some of them also on 1966 boot LP) Their rootsiness shows (including Phil Spector drum rituals on no-budget), but also especially on LIVE IN TEXAS (oncea double-LP, now two CDS sold seperately), *not* as wild as Flesh Eaters (or some of the other VU jams, SWEET SISTER RAY and THE LORD'S PRAYER being other notable live boots), but TEXAS does let them stretch out with VU harmonics-meet-Bo-Diddley in "What Goes On," and Lou shows how his phrasing (as writer and performer) fits with Chuck Berry and other 50s-related stylistic approaches. (Mind you they don't turn into Creedence or something; they're still Velvets (as I should've expected from "Train Coming Round The Bend" on LOADED, and the instrumental backing of John Cale reading "The Gift" on WHITE LIGHT, which, on PEEL SLOWLY, turns up as instrumental *only,* titled "Booker T.," as well it might! But also sounding VU as hell.The Atavistic turned out to be the first Flesh Eaters, album, with 5 bonus tracks and Coley's new notes; I just looked it up on Amazon--thanks again for telling us, Dan! Hope this is more legible.

Don Allred, Sunday, 22 August 2004 03:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Thoughts on latest LTM rereleases :

Marine - Life In Reverse. I was right - totally essential. Having only heard Life in Reverse, Animal In My head and Same Beat before, I was expecting great things, but kind of prepared to be disappointed too. Could the rest of their stuff be as great as these 3? Well yup, it is. Even better in the main - Life In Reverse is actually one of the weaker tracks. What makes them great : a)that the bass players in each of the line ups are brilliant and really funk it up wickedly. (Think - ABC's Alphabet Soup)The guitarists play off each other - usually a sinewy picking from one juxtaposing a furious scrub from the other. Also the sax player knows when to skronk and when not to skronk, which is a good thing. These comments don't do it justice - there's some magic in there which I can't yet define. Buy.

I was expecting Twice As Nice, the Be music/Dojo/Mark Kamins/Arthur Baker productions set to be as good as Vol.1 : Twice As Nice. It's not as consistent, but it's growing on me. I doesn't help by starting off with the normally brilliant 52nd Street's unusally muted 'Express' and Cheyne's 'Call Me Mr.Telephone' which is just crap. But most of what follows is pretty grebt, including the thunderous 400 Blows remix of 'Low Rider' (Quando Quango), Anna Dominos boredly poppy 'Summer' which threatens to become Donna Summer's 'Love's Unkind' at times, and 52nd Street redeeming themselves with the flip of Express 'Look Into My Eyes' - brutally funky bass slap action on this one. Even the RFATP track is quite good, dodgy vocoder aside. Best of all is Shark Vegas's 'You Hurt Me' - yikes I've never actually heard them apart from the track on the FACTUS comp 'Young Popular and Sexy', but this is sensational - glacial sequencers duelling to a thumping Euro-beat. Could have been a massive hit single any year since it's release (1985) and could still do it now. Huge.

Grimly fiendish made a strong case for Section 25's 'Love and Hate' upthread so I rebought it, having ditched the original vinyl at some point. Well- yes, the new track order works better. Sweet Forgiveness, Bad News Week and Crazy Wisdom is a strong start, but for me it's still a huge disappointment after From The Hip. The Guitar Waltz is bizarre, Gymnopedies pointless and Warhead irritating. They really let themselves down with Conquer Me and The Last Man in Europe. The former is just a rip-off of New Order's Lonesome Tonight with absolutely dreadful vocals from Jenny Ross. The LAst Man in Europe is a waste of a brilliant intro (stadium rock Factory style), falling again into this default New Order by numbers schtick.(check the phrasing and vocal 'melody') More tragic singing too. So sorry, I'm going to have to advise caution with this one.

I also had a close listen to The Swamp Children's 'So Hot'. The album's good, but what makes this CD is the tracks from the 2 singles. I'd forgotten how much I used to love all the tracks from these singles especially You've Got Me Beat, Call Me Honey and Boy. The slight variations in sound and mix between tracks are really clever, changing atmosphere, texture and mood, but always retaining a stately funkiness. Good stuff, and I am promoting them from 'Good' to 'You Should Also Get' in my list above.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 26 August 2004 22:14 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry dave ... hope you thought love and hate was worth it for the tracks you enjoyed, anyway. i still love it, but i admit: it's a very, umm, unusual little album. and, like i say, i'm the planet's biggest SXXV apologist.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 26 August 2004 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Good stuff, and I am promoting them from 'Good' to 'You Should Also Get' in my list above.

Yeah, I really enjoyed that album, and have a review of the disc as well as a bio of the band (cribbed from the liner notes, admittedly!) up on the AMG now.

The Anna Domino best-of, much as I enjoyed the reissues of the first two albums of hers, is the real revelation -- there are some flat out fantastic singles there, and the fact that I never heard her work before this year is now bugging me.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)

**i'm the planet's biggest SXXV apologist. **

Oh don't get me wrong I love SXXV too, it's just that L&H is such an unworthy swansong for a great band IMHO. I feel kind of sorry for them above all else. By the time they recorded it it was clear that all was over - band disintegrating, no real interest from anyone. I suppose it has a kind of defiance that I admire, but all their flaws are glaringly laid open too. Oh well.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 27 August 2004 05:57 (twenty-one years ago)

but is there anywhere else you can get those two versions of bad news week and crazy wisdom on CD? those two alone are worth $10 each.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Friday, 27 August 2004 06:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan, somewhere out there is a Velvet Underground thread for me and you. I'm beginning to feel our discussion probably doesn't belong in this perfectly good, functional, and on-topic thread about LTM and such. I have some things to share with you regarding the Velvets and some questions for you, as well, however it is late and I really need to go to bed. Look for me on another thread later.

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 27 August 2004 07:34 (twenty-one years ago)

What are the best books (mainly reviews, but bios and other narratives too) about bands on this thread, the heyday of Factory overall? (24 HOUR PARTY PEOPLE accurate enough, for that matter?)

Don, Sunday, 29 August 2004 03:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry I called you Dan, Don! :(

Bimble (bimble), Sunday, 29 August 2004 03:30 (twenty-one years ago)

From Joy Division to New Order-The Factory Story by Mick Middles covers much more then those two lovely bands. The Distractions, Ludus, Cath Carroll, Vini Reilly etc.

Even a reference to great lost favorite Object Music band IQ Zero as "Manchester's answer to Devo."

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 29 August 2004 04:40 (twenty-one years ago)

> From Joy Division to New Order-The Factory Story by Mick Middles

is one of the worst music books ever. CHRIST, middles cannot write.

i mean. "from joy division to new order". is that THE most tedious title imaginable? gaaah.

best place to learn about this stuff is dennis remmer's site:

http://listen.to/factory

the 24HPP book is wonderful, but don't rely on it for facts. it's a very clever concept - wilson writes book based on fictional film based on his life - but you're not going to learn a lot from it.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

of interest to this thread:

http://www.cerysmaticfactory.info/index.html
Cerysmatic Factory - www.cerysmaticfactory.info - a blog, history and archive about Factory Records, the independent record label from Manchester, England.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 29 August 2004 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

coo, thanks: not come across that one before. cheers DJ Martian!

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 29 August 2004 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Well I have no idea if it's still in print anymore, but my JD/NO "bible" as it were is a book by Mark Johnson called "An Ideal For Living: A History Of Joy Division" (the title of which is misleading, because it covers New Order up through the end of '83, too). Now there are occaisional bits where Johnson degrades into the most pretentious pithy essays which seem to have no relation whatever to the band, but most of the book is extremely useful for anyone who needs to have this or that obscure detail about this or that gig or record, anecdotes, etc. Not a whole lot about other Factory artists, I suppose, but it will tell you who played on the bill on a certain night.

I've heard of that Middles book. I guess I've just never felt the need to get another JD related book. I'd welcome a chance to flip through it though.

I have the 24HRPP book, and started to read it when I began to worry it would just be a rehash of the film, and it's not as if I trust Wilson to give the truth, anyway. If I'm gonna sit down and be bothered to read a book, I'd like to think I'm being given the straight dope, but in a movie you can get away with more, I think.

Bimble (bimble), Monday, 30 August 2004 05:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Upon re-reading Dr. C's original S&D assessment I'd like to second a great many of his choices:


1) Totally Essential

a) Blue Orchids - The Greatest Hit. grimy spectral beauty the line 'the mathematics of music ringing in my ears' sums it up.

Well I admit I don't have this one as of yet, but I have the Severe to Serene one and I think that's essential already.

b) Section 25 - From The Hip. SXXV get their hands on New Orders sequencers and a pulsing northern techno results. Impossibly great.

Absolutely must be had. New Order fanatics get a bad grade on their test if they don't have this.

a) Blue Orchids - The Sleeper. Unreleased 1993 album from a late BO line-up, simply confirms Martin Bramah's utter songwriting genius. Loses points for occasionally veering towards baggyness, but still grebt.

This is an essential purchase for someone who doesn't yet give a damn about Blue Orchids. Great stuff.

c) Miaow - When It All Comes Down. Everything they did. On the face of it a fairly typical mid 80's guitar band, on deeper inspection they're doing things that no-one else did, before or since

Must be owned, obviously.

f) The Wake - Harmony and Singles. Some great synth sounds and pulsing atmospherics guiding Caesar's tales of loss, redemption and catholic guilt.

Even Primal Scream hatuz can handle that bass guitar! Woah! Some REAL nice pop stuff, here. Sarah fans have to come on board too for this one.

g) Section 25 - Always Now. Recorded at great expense at Britannia Row, very expensive Peter Saville sleeve, impossibly uncommercial and glum record.

If you like the doom rock, if the goth side of the street is the dark one YOU want to be on, then you have to have this. After awhile you may find you overlook it's imperfections, as I have long since done.

h) Ultramarine - Every Man and Woman Is A Star. Beautiful anglo-folk-electronica. Owls hoot, Kevin Ayers pops up, sequencers burble and pop like never before.

EVERYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND MUST OWN THIS. IT IS IMPERATIVE. If LTM as we know it today existed for one reason, to keep this album in print, I would still respect them as much as I do today. The Ultramarine album is not quite God-like, but approaching the sun, surely.

c)Quando Quango - Pigs and Battleships. Manc/Belg funkpop thing - not quite as funky or pop as it could be. Still good.

Not a band to ignore if you've never heard them before.

d)Crispy Ambulance - The Plateau Phase. Not like anything else at all. Ever. Rumbling and groaning rhythms, keening vox and strange synth textures zoom in.

Well, they're only my second favourite band ever, so no one I could be objective about. Hyperbole would be superfluous.

e) Blue Orchids - From Severe to Serene. Classic Peel sessions, lo-fi Manchester gig and the Thirst EP. Nice!

Ah here it is after all! In your "good" category. Well to me it feels essential, (particularly the Thirst stuff, which absolutely blows my mind - very Stooges, as it happens) but I guess we can disagree peacefully. The important thing is to worship early Fall.

4) Watch Out!

a) Minny Pops - Secret Stories. The singles Dolphin Spurt and Secret Stories are fanatastic. The rest varies from standard issue low-countries grimcore to unlistenable.

Mmm. Yes, there are some great and essential songs here. But a winner as a whole? No. I agree with you.

b)Ludus - The Pickpocket/Danger Came Smiling. A step too far towards skronk for me.

Haven't quite been able to come to grips with Ludus thus far. I do think there are some great songs but they are in a style I may have grown tired of for whatever reason. Perhaps in 10 years I will sing their praises, though, who knows?

Bimble (bimble), Monday, 30 August 2004 07:49 (twenty-one years ago)

for names and references alone, the middles book is the only Joy Division book to spend so much time discussing many of the more obscure and forgotten aspects of the manchester music scene, and for that alone, I recommend it.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

now that they're putting out severed heads stuff, i'd like to see LTM tackle some aussie post-punk, starting with Makers of the Dead Travel Fast..

purple patch (electricsound), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 10:52 (twenty-one years ago)

ha, they're gonna reissue the field mice.

keith m (keithmcl), Sunday, 12 September 2004 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Hm, where do you see that? Nothing on the label's news page about it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 12 September 2004 00:39 (twenty-one years ago)

FIELD MICE, THE Snowball + Singles cd $14.99
LTM (UK)

COMING 1/31/05
17 tracks. LTM are proud to announce the first reissue on CD of the entire works of The Field Mice, the cult South London band who recorded for the Sarah label between 1988 and 1991. Snowball + Singles combines the first Field Mice album Snowball (released as a 10” mini lp in August 1989) with all tracks from their first three singles. Emma’s House and Sensitive were released as bestselling 7-inchers on Sarah, while I Can See Myself Alone Forever was a strictly limited 7” on The Caff Corporation, the boutique label curated by Bob Stanley of St Etienne. Indeed Snowball includes Let’s Kiss and Make Up, the song covered by St Etienne for their second single. This embarrassment of riches is completed by That’s All This Is, a rare compilation track. Sensitive, incidently, was made Single of the Month by choosy French rock magazine Les Inrockuptibles, whose glowing review was signed by the entire editorial staff. Snowball runs for 70 minutes, features 17 remastered tracks, and contains detailed biographical notes in the booklet. The new artwork is by German designer Stefan Kassel. Career Precis: formed by Bobby Wratten and Michael Hiscock in suburban Mitcham in 1988, the band released eight singles and three albums on Sarah Records. In the process they became huge in France, and expanded from a duo to a five-piece before splitting at the end of 1991. Chief songwriter Bobby then formed Northern Picture Library, and currently fronts Trembling Blue Stars. The Field Mice compilation Coastal topped the UK indie charts in 1991, while their 1998 retrospective Where’d You Learn to Kiss That Way? sold in excess of 10,000 copies. Barcode: 5024545310122.

keith m (keithmcl), Sunday, 12 September 2004 00:40 (twenty-one years ago)

from the darla coming soon section.

keith m (keithmcl), Sunday, 12 September 2004 00:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Heheh. Well, bring it on, then.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 12 September 2004 00:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Orchids next plz.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 12 September 2004 00:44 (twenty-one years ago)

i wonder if the cuties will buy it just to get 'when you sleep' and those dreadful caff songs on cd. i hope burning world stays lost.

keith m (keithmcl), Sunday, 12 September 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Modern Eon - yes!

I got that first Twice As Nice comp Dr C raves about upthread for $5 without really knowing anything about it except that "View From A Hill" was supposed to be good. The whole thing is brilliant.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 12 September 2004 04:39 (twenty-one years ago)

the field mice comp's worth buying just for "letting go" from the snowball 10". and it bodes well for orchids reissues.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Sunday, 12 September 2004 07:26 (twenty-one years ago)

burning world is a bit of a rubbish track. but i *like* "i can see myself alone forever"..

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Sunday, 12 September 2004 11:39 (twenty-one years ago)

as i said on another thread, perhaps mr nice could do something with the verlaines' "bird dog"...

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Sunday, 12 September 2004 11:39 (twenty-one years ago)

flying nun has been reissuing some of their "classic" records already, i imagine bird dog will come soon? the backing vocals on the chorus of 'you forget love' are worth a reissue alone.

keith m (keithmcl), Sunday, 12 September 2004 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I vote for the Orchids, there's already been a double Field Mice comprehensive comp. on another label and it gave me all I could possibly want from them once and for all, forever.

Bimble (bimble), Monday, 13 September 2004 08:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i just bought the stolkholm monsters singles comp cd and am quite liking it....i must investigate this ltm stuff further...what should i start with?

also, they weren't on factory or anything, but I really wish someone would rerelease the first Au Pairs record on CD...it's really hard to find and expensive now....sense and sensuality is all over the place and i have that but i've heard the first one is way better...

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 13 September 2004 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

you should really check out the Au Pairs BBC sessions collection Equal But Different, I think it's called. It was kinda pricey when I bought it some years ago, but worth it totally. It opens with the killer non-LP track Monogamy and has tighter more energetic performances of much of their best stuff. I have trouble listening to the same versions on the LPs, much the same with the Monochrome Set and the Volume, Contrast and Brilliance comp.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 13 September 2004 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

cool is that easier to find than the album itself?

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 13 September 2004 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe harder now, I don't know, sorry.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 13 September 2004 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

no that's cool to know....it at least doubles my chances of tracking something down...

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 13 September 2004 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

daral has added two entries for 'skywriting + singles' and 'for keeps + singles', the skywriting one is a double. 4 cds worth of field mice.

keith m (keithmcl), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 01:46 (twenty-one years ago)

the skywriting one will be the real seller, considering it has three unreleased tracks plus virtually all of the released stuff that didn't make it to the shinkansen comp..

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 01:59 (twenty-one years ago)

they can also play up the "field mice invented dance music" angle.

keith m (keithmcl), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 02:49 (twenty-one years ago)

i wonder if mr nice has spoken to harvey at all...

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 03:00 (twenty-one years ago)

It would be nice to know what LTM has planned for future Severed Heads releases.

Re-release the goddamn "Stretcher" mini-LP already godfuckingdammit, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 06:54 (twenty-one years ago)

That Au Pairs Radio sessions CD is v.difficult to find. It's quite easy to get the first album on vinyl (Netsounds had around 10 copies when I looked just now), but you really want to track down the RPM CD reissue which has all the singles on it too.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 08:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I have that RPM CD and it's great, but if you have a turntable you'd probably find it cheaper to buy the original singles and LP off Ebay than buy that CD. I keep meaning to just buy the originals and sell that CD cos it goes for £££!

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 10:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I had the Sense and Sensuality RPM CD too and it is the only flipping CD I have ever had that has suffered from CD-rot. I had to ditch it as it would hardly play. There were some demo tracks from the 3rd album sessions on there that aren't available elsewhere, but IIRC they were rubbish, so I am not too devastated.

Dr.C, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 11:07 (twenty-one years ago)

i can't believe i haven't mentioned it already, but some Abecedarians reissues would go down a treat, ABCD in particular..

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:45 (twenty-one years ago)

OTM, Jim. Not that I've heard anything other than the Smiling Monarchs 12" that I have. Smiling Monarchs is utter genius.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 16 September 2004 07:42 (twenty-one years ago)

it's very good (also borne out in no small part by the US$52 pricetag i saw a cd copy go for on ebay today).. having their IPR demos 10" appended to it would be perfect..

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Thursday, 16 September 2004 07:44 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...
Is there really any demand for LTM to be releasing a live Revenge cd? Seems odd.

svend (svend), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)

even i'm not interested in a revenge live CD.

i am interested in the SXXV DVD, though, details of which i've, umm, tacked on the end of ts: factory vs rough trade because i couldn't be arsed resurrecting this thread. cough.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Hope it is better quality than the Wake one was. LTM should be putting their warnings about the quality of the video on the OUTSIDE of the case instead of inside underneath the dvd itself.

svend (svend), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

The 2CD rerelease of Revenge's 'One True Passion' is lTM's best seller by far to date. Hence the live CD. They obv sell shitloads to New Order's fanbase, most of whom don't give a shit aout the far superior likes of SXXV, Stockholm Monsters etc.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 08:27 (twenty-one years ago)

do NO fans give a shit about revenge? i mean, i thought the kind of NO fan that did (like, umm, me) would already own all the revenge stuff on vinyl (like, umm, me) and see no point in buying the re-issues. still: maybe i'm just weird.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 11:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Weren't there some unreleased tracks on it - I have it, but can't remember.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 11:34 (twenty-one years ago)

hmm, mebbe. but i have to say, the phrase "unreleased revenge tracks" doesn't really move me at all ;)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 11:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Same here.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 12:50 (twenty-one years ago)

The 2CD rerelease of Revenge's 'One True Passion' is lTM's best seller by far to date.

Really? How strange.

The latest things I've received from them is that live CD, the new Dead Cowboys, the Reininger/Wilson Lisbon CD and the Field Mice reissues.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 13:47 (twenty-one years ago)

my new field mice reissues just arrived yesterday and they're really lovely. the only complaint i have is that i wish they'd included nice full colour pictures of the original sleeves inside. but i've got them already, so it's no great loss. the liner notes are really terrific, made me simulatenously sad and happy to read them. well written and fun.

nothing has hit me drastically re: sound yet. the remastering is either very subtle or my ears need clearing out. but i've only been through the skywriting discs so far, so maybe the snowball one will sound different

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

has Mr. Nice been listening to us? there's an Orchids compilation on the way! *joy*

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Friday, 21 January 2005 03:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, none too surprising after (later) Wake and the Field Mice, surely! The trick would be if they rereleased "Reproduction is Pollution." ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 January 2005 03:49 (twenty-one years ago)

or perhaps passive soul plus rarities (including that ep of course)!

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Friday, 21 January 2005 03:51 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...
Just got the Umbrellas In The Sun DVD today in the mail. It is nice to see a bunch of bands playing that I have never seen before and to see stuff like a Durutii Column video. I thought it was going to have more tracks from the Factory vhs videos, but I guess I need to get off my ass and convert those to dvd now.

svend (svend), Saturday, 23 April 2005 01:42 (twenty years ago)

two of the factory videos are on 1 bootleg DVD that can be found at some stores, like Kim's in NYC.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 23 April 2005 01:56 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, received Umbrellas in the Sun as well and looking forward to giving it a viewing.

James has been releasing some increasingly esoteric stuff -- which he's always had a bent for, of course, it's just that now he's really taking the plunge. I think part of it is that much though not all of the classic Factory back catalogue is now well and truly rereleased, so he's been busy bringing to light more material on Crepescule that's not as familiar, like Isabelle Antena, the spoken word Richard Jobson albums and even more obscure bits from the Tuxedomoon family tree. At the same time there's been the Sarah reactivation -- Field Mice, NPL, soon the Orchids -- and material from even further afield like Minimal Man and the Severed Heads reissues. To top it all of he's started a new sublabel called Salon which I guess is going to explore his concurrent passion for early twentieth century futurist and dadaist music, previously only showcased in three compilations. The first such effort focuses on a group of composers in France labelled "Les Six," who were associated with Cocteau and Satie. It's quite good, though my technical unfamiliarity with how they're approaching composition in their work can only offer general praise.

It's all been quite fascinating and I can't wait to see what happens next. Also, I STILL think he's got to do a Modern Eon reissue at some point if he can swing it!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 01:57 (twenty years ago)

And as I just posted on the other thread, the first two Gina X albums are being reissued, and then there's all this:

Spring 2005 will also bring new CD releases from A Certain Ratio (I'd Like To See You Again, Live in Groningen 16.10.1980), Tuxedomoon man Peter Principle (Conjunction) and Ultramarine (A User's Guide). After the summer expect the entire, expanded works of The Orchids plus a new one-off album from The Occasional Keepers, comprising Bobby Wratten of Field Mice/Northern Picture Library/Trembling Blue Stars, and Caesar of The Wake and Altered Images.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 02:07 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
the first orchids reissues has been listed on darla--
ORCHIDS, THE Unholy Soul + Singles cd $14.99
LTM (UK)

COMING 10/7/05
20 tracks. 5024545347623. LTM is pleased to announce the second of three CD album re-issues by acclaimed Glasgow band The Orchids, who recorded for cult label Sarah between 1987 and 1994. Formed in 1987, this prolific yet overlooked five-piece recorded a string of singles for Sarah as well as three excellent albums, Lyceum (1989), Unholy Soul (1991) and Striving for the Lazy Perfection (1994). Often compared to similarly cerebral pop operators such as Felt, Aztec Camera and Primal Scream, the band split in 1995 at the height of their powers. Almost all of their records were produced by Ian Carmichael of One Dove. Newly remastered for CD, Unholy Soul + Singles runs for 70 minutes and includes nine bonus tracks as well as liner notes by Alistair Fitchett. Stand-out tracks on Unholy Soul include Dirty Clothing, Bringing you the Love, The Sadness of Sex Pt 1 and the should-have-been single Peaches. Among the pick of the binus cuts are the singles Something for the Longing and Bemused, Confused and Bedraggled. Contemporary reviews praised the record as “a beautiful album – time less melodies for sure” (Dave Simpson in Melody Maker) The Orchids reformed last year and new material is expected later in 2005. Also available by The Orchids on LTM: Lyceum + Singles (LTMCD 2442) released 5 September 2005, Striving for the Lazy Perfection + Singles (LTMCD 2451) – released 7 November 2005.

ORCHIDS, THE Striving for the Lazy Perfection + Singles cd $14.99
LTM (UK)

COMING 11/7/05
5024545347722. 16 tracks. LTM is pleased to announce the third of three CD album re-issues by acclaimed Glasgow band The Orchids, who recorded for cult label Sarah between 1987 and 1994. Formed in 1987, this prolific yet overlooked five-piece recorded a string of singles for Sarah as well as three excellent albums, Lyceum (1989), Unholy Soul (1991) and Striving for the Lazy Perfection (1994). Often compared to similarly cerebral pop operators such as Felt, Aztec Camera and Primal Scream, the band split in 1995 at the height of their powers. Almost all of their records were produced by Ian Carmichael of One Dove. Newly remastered for CD, Striving for the Lazy Perfection + Singles runs for 62 minutes and includes liner notes by Alistair Fitchett. Stand-out tracks include Obsession No 1, A Kind of Eden, Lovechild and A Living Ken and Barbie. The three bonus tracks are culled from the 1992 single Thaumaturgy. Contemporary reviews praised the album and band as “one of British pop’s best-kept secrets – lithe, evocative and memorable music” (John Mulvey in NME) The Orchids reformed in 2004 and new material is expected this year. Also available by The Orchids on LTM: Lyceum + Singles (LTMCD 2442) released 5 September 2005, Unholy Soul + Singles (LTMCD 2445) – released 3 October 2005.

also a description of the occasional keepers--

OCCASIONAL KEEPERS, THE The Beauty of the Empty Vessel cd $14.99
LTM (UK)

COMING 9/12/05
5024545349221. 10 tracks. LTM are proud to announce the debut album by The Occasional Keepers, an ongoing collaboration between Bobby Wratten (Field Mice/Northern Picture Library/Trembling Blue Stars) and Carolyn Allen and Caesar (The Wake). The album features a meditative, beautiful and minimalist mix of guitars, keyboards, echoing drums and male and female vocals, set against the background hummings of real places and real times – these sections recorded by Bobby prior to the sessions. The songs incorporate a variety of styles, to produce a highly personal synthesis of neo-folk, experimental pop, dissonance, electronics and improvisation. The Beauty of the Empty Vessel was produced by the Keepers with Ian Catt (St Etienne) in London in April 2005. Stand out tracks include The Bracken and The Last Lighthouse Keeper. Also available on LTM: Field Mice : Snowball + Singles (LTMCD 2419), Field Mice : Skywriting + Singles (LTMCD 2421), Field Mice : For Keeps + Singles (LTMCD 2423), Northern Picture Library : Alaska (LTMCD 2436), The Wake : Harmony + Singles (LTMCD 2323), The Wake : Here Comes Everybody + Singles (LTMCD 2332), The Wake : Assembly (LTMCD 2334), The Wake : Holy Heads (LTMCD 2446).
pre-order me now!

had no idea about the orchids reforming and recording.

keith m (keithmcl), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:53 (twenty years ago)

ORCHIDS, THE Lyceum + Singles cd $14.99
LTM (UK)

COMING 9/5/05
5024545347524. 20 tracks. LTM is pleased to announce the first of three CD album re-issues by acclaimed Glasgow band The Orchids, who recorded for cult label Sarah between 1987 and 1994. Formed in 1987, this prolific yet overlooked five-piece recorded a string of singles for Sarah as well as three excellent albums, Lyceum (1989), Unholy Soul (1991) and Striving for the Lazy Perfection (1994). Often compared to similarly cerebral pop operators such as Felt, Aztec Camera and Primal Scream, the band split in 1995 at the height of their powers. Almost all of their records were produced by Ian Carmichael of One Dove. Newly remastered for CD, Lyceum + Singles runs for 74 minutes and includes liner notes by Alistair Fitchett. Stand-out tracks on Lyceum include It’s Only Obvious, the punk rock rush of Caveman and the minor chord gem Blue Light. Among the pick of the twelve bonus cuts are Tiny Words, Yawn and the anti-Poll Tax protest song Defy The Law. Also included are both sides of the rare single released on Bob Stanley’s Caff label. Contemporary reviews praised the album as “another fountainhead of unqualified greatness” (Bob Stanley in Melody Maker) while the NME awarded it a “splendid” rating of 8/10. Lyceum scored highly in the indie charts. The Orchids reformed in 2004 and new material is expected this year. Also available by The Orchids on LTM: Unholy Soul + Singles (LTMCD 2445) released 3 October 2005, Striving for the Lazy Perfection + Singles (LTMCD 2451) – released 7 November 2005.

Why is Darla reissuing the New Radiant Storm Kings? IS there a big demand?

keith m (keithmcl), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:56 (twenty years ago)

good news about the orchids. i was initially dubious when it was originally only going to be a 'best of' so i'm pleased about this. i would be keen to hear new stuff from them. and hooray for having one more caff 45 on cd...

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)

actually LTM should do a compilation of all the caff singles. that would be neat.

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)

Yes, Orchid reissues/reformation is good news. To be honest I feel a bit guilty, the last time I heard something from them was probably the 1994 release - it was orange, that's all I remember - and it was one of those things that sounded really good and I meant to go back to it and never did. Their early singles really stood out as far as Sarah stuff went, too.

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:36 (twenty years ago)

i have days when i think that the orchids were sarah's best band. "peaches" and "yawn" reached way above the station of a boutique indie label.

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Friday, 13 May 2005 02:43 (twenty years ago)

all of sarah is slowly getting reissued secret shine, field mice, orchids, surely some label will reissue even as we speak next or maybe gift records will get around to actually releasing the radio sessions cd. matt haynes must be getting upset what with his "if you weren't there the first time attitude".

keith m (keithmcl), Friday, 13 May 2005 03:07 (twenty years ago)

the only albums that have not yet been reissued are the Sea Urchins, EAWS and Another Sunny Day, is that right? obv the ASD is the most U&K (because i have the other two)

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Friday, 13 May 2005 03:32 (twenty years ago)

oh how could i forget the sugargliders and blueboy.

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Friday, 13 May 2005 03:33 (twenty years ago)

and brighter's 'laurel' wasn't on the matinee reissue.

keith m (keithmcl), Friday, 13 May 2005 03:59 (twenty years ago)

yeah that was a bit irritating

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Friday, 13 May 2005 04:03 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
according to darla's coming soon section 'chicken rhythms' reissue is coming soon.

keith m (keithmcl), Sunday, 10 July 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)

Yes, I read this was going to happen and I felt really weird about it. I'm crazy about that Northside album, but if it doesn't have any extra tracks, then it's like...a complete waste.

Hydrochloric Shaved Weirds (Bimble...), Sunday, 10 July 2005 00:59 (twenty years ago)

LTM should start doing a DNW series, starting with the first Neonbabies LP.

I.M. (I.M.), Sunday, 10 July 2005 01:09 (twenty years ago)

the northside reissue seems only slightly less worthwhile than the live revenge cd but i'm sure the dude knows his market only too well

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Sunday, 10 July 2005 03:17 (twenty years ago)

hahaha

Hydrochloric Shaved Weirds (Bimble...), Sunday, 10 July 2005 03:23 (twenty years ago)

it's going to include the singles as well. dermo

keith m (keithmcl), Sunday, 10 July 2005 05:32 (twenty years ago)

I bought the Revenge CD of One True Passion V2.0 today.

I feel flooded with an overwhelming sense of a "guilty pleasure". Guilty because 1) as a New Order fanatic I'd rather not admit that I never even gave them a go because of a certain conviction I had that it must be complete crap and 2)I really don't think it's all that bad. I mean it may not be the second coming or as good as New Order, but still...why all the hate? I can't fathom it.

Hydrochloric Shaved Weirds (Bimble...), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:56 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...
News from Section 25. http://www.section25.com/whatsnew.shtml

Inside info on the Factory fuck-up and news that there may be a new SXXV album in 2006!

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

I was interviewed about 4 weeks ago by a chap called James Nacho runs LTM
Records.

A fine alternate name! Moving posts, those -- gives a sense of how it's not operatic tragedy or drama, like most of life it's corrosive slow-burn bringdowns and unexpected changes. Hearing how the marriage ended as Jenny's life drew to a close was news to me, and saddening.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

Very sad, yes.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

excellent read.

vacuum cleaner (electricsound), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)


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