Lorelei Gilmore just claimed to be a Sparks fan

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Now I don't usually tune into the Gilmore Girls but every once in a while I'm tempted and each time it happens someone on the show makes some rote reference to an obscure band. Last night, while lying in bed, Rory's milf said she was a Sparks fan. Does this warrant discussion?

― ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Nope.

― why do old people and old users of ILX such bastardos (deangulberry), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe she meant Sparks alcopop, or Sparks, NV.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

heck no. they were talkin' 'bout music

― ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Hope yet happens in this our sad universe.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

What Ned said. (odd coincidence -was listening to "amateur hour" less than 15 minutes ago)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Full quote plz.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 22:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I watched it a few times. Once, the girl's intellectual friend was talking about how cool The Velvet Underground and Nico is.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)

she was telling her new boyfriend (luke) about what cds he needs around the house to appease her or something like that. the wifee was watching and i was sorta paying attention from the computer.

she asked me who the sparks were and i told her they were good, but not as good as the drink.

― JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I disown you from my will. (Not that you were in it.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, dude, Kimono My House is outstanding.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 22:59 (twenty-one years ago)

JaX0N OTM:

CF: SPARKS VS SPARKS

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Supposedly Linda Perhacs was on the soundtrack a week or so ago. I missed the episode, so can't confirm.

― dlp9001, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 23:11 (twenty-one years ago)

lots of sex in stars hollow these days. i can't believe they lane's band a ska band.

― keith m (keithmcl), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:40 (twenty-one years ago)

they made

― keith m (keithmcl), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:41 (twenty-one years ago)

i didn't mean in any which way that sparks the band was bad (i really like them) but that sparks the drink has an otherworldly effect on my head

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:32 (twenty-one years ago)

dammit Ned, i wanted some of yr shit when you died

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I missed that episde. What else happened?

― Mary (Mary), Thursday, 7 October 2004 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

from what i remember, paris' old professor bf died. she cried. uh, rory has some friend that's kinda dorky, and there's this other kid that acts like a twat, but really they're gonna hook up later, obv. lor and luke are dating and it's out in the open. the towns folk don't think it's a good idea that they date because if they break up then the townsfolk will have to choose sides and the town's economy will go down. the grandparents are sleeping in separate beds and hate each other.

this is all coming from someone who doesn't watch the show and hears it out of the corner of his ear while he's on the computer and his wife hogs the tv

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 7 October 2004 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I love Gilmore Girls. The Sparks mention was cool but a lot of the other music references make me cringe (the Shins? fuck you). First season there was a Young Marble Giants joke/reference thing that was great.

― adam (adam), Thursday, 7 October 2004 18:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Gilmore Girls has a pretty long history of music references - some are a bit bland, but a lot of it is pretty great. Not many shows in prime time will have Pavement's "Price Yeah!" be the soundtrack to a scene, you know?

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 7 October 2004 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, who can forget the classic episode where Lane wanted to buy the new Belle & Sebastian single but her mom had grounded her?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 7 October 2004 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Lane Kim is awesome. Paris is funnier, though.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 7 October 2004 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, right, and that time when Adam Brody was in a band with Rory's friend and they played "Fell in Love with a Girl" at that party and the girl got really drunk and told her mom she was dating a white guy.

― ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Thursday, 7 October 2004 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

the towns folk don't think it's a good idea that they date because if they break up then the townsfolk will have to choose sides and the town's economy will go down.

this part was weird. almost mad no sense. there was a town meeting and it was a big issue, and the thing is, at first, luke and lorelei didn’t think anyone knew they had slept together (best part of the episode: Lorelei woke up in lukes bed and without thinking went downstairs, to the diner! for a cup of coffee, wearing only lukes flannel)

also, the professor’s wake was in rory and roommates apt. and they handed out books to everyone who came

i have no idea why i watch this show and will not make exusces for it

― kephm, Thursday, 7 October 2004 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Please note that the Luke / Lorelai issue came up during the regular course of business during a regular town meeting; the meeting wasn't called to specifically discuss this issue.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 October 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

That town meeting was meant to be ridiculous. It's not consisent with reality, but definitely consistent with how the townies have been written in the past four seasons.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 7 October 2004 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Was Sally Struthers there?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 7 October 2004 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah i just started watching over the summer. i doubt i will make it to the end of the season, but stranger things have happened.

the whole sparks, pavement,etc. soundtrack doesnt surprise me a bit

― kephm, Thursday, 7 October 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm pretty sure that Sally Struthers was in the town meeting scene. She was in the episode, for sure. She was there with Miss Patti and another old woman gossiping in two scenes. She had a funny line, but I can't remember what it was.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 7 October 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

lauren graham is genius, she goes from hilarious to lovestruck to dramatic all in one episode. she's done the whole luke thing perfectly. i suppose it's the writing too.

― keith m (keithmcl), Thursday, 7 October 2004 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)

is lauren graham lorelei? if so, she's never struck me as all that attractive until i saw bad santa. it made me want to buy a santa outfit

― JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 8 October 2004 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)

This is the worst show on television.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 8 October 2004 03:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm inclined to agree.

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Friday, 8 October 2004 03:36 (twenty-one years ago)

DUH! (but i know all the shit that's happening)

― JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 8 October 2004 03:59 (twenty-one years ago)

you are all mental it is the pinnacle of american culture

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:48 (twenty-one years ago)

that's it I'm leaving.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Worst show? Wha?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 8 October 2004 05:06 (twenty-one years ago)

the dialogue makes Joe Buck-Tim McCarver inane baseball banter read like fucking Shakespeare.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 8 October 2004 05:08 (twenty-one years ago)

You don't watch much tv do you, hstencil? It's fine if you don't like it, but there's soooooooooooooooooooooooo much more terrible stuff in the tv world.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 8 October 2004 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

i didnt win any new friends by telling coworkers i missed a red sox playoff game cause i was catching up on the gilmore girls.

― kephm, Friday, 8 October 2004 11:24 (twenty-one years ago)

My god, you could have at least warned me for spoilers. Anyway, Sparks has come up on the show before, when Rory borrowed cd's from her friend Lane, who appears with some heavy namedropping every time the writers feel they've become a bit lazy on thrilling the indie audience. They do have a nice soundtrack though.

― strom (strom), Friday, 8 October 2004 11:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Not exactly a shock that macho dudes hate the Gilmore Girls.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 8 October 2004 11:54 (twenty-one years ago)

i didnt win any new friends by telling coworkers i missed a red sox playoff game cause i was catching up on the gilmore girls.

friends are worthless! TV is there for you all the time!

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 8 October 2004 11:56 (twenty-one years ago)

friends are worthless! TV is there for you all the time!

I think my wife has this tattoo.

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Friday, 8 October 2004 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

is it in a sexy place?

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 8 October 2004 12:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Not exactly a shock that macho dudes hate the Gilmore Girls.

My experience with the show has been admittedly brief but based on that I wouldn't necessarily *say* I was macho...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 October 2004 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

In my experience, there's a lot of different ways that men can have a 'macho' attitude.

I'm not trying to say that there's something wrong with any of you for disliking the show, just that it's not always a surprise when some people dislike it. The show has a very distinct aesthetic, it's definitely an acquired taste for most people.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 8 October 2004 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, but you still haven't explained why disliking it is macho!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 October 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't say that disliking it was inherantly a macho position. What I said was that it's never a surprise when macho dudes hate it. It's a very girly show.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 8 October 2004 14:00 (twenty-one years ago)

i always put curlers in my hair when I watch it and a calming face mask. It helps!

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 8 October 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I am neither macho or a dude and I can't stand Gilmore Girls, in fact one of my friends is always telling me "Why don't you watch this show, all they talk about is Claudine Longet and Grey Gardens, it's perfect for you!"

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Friday, 8 October 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I was about to say, Matthew, you might want to reconsider some of the gender essentialism here. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 October 2004 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Matthew Perpetua in making big, dumb, sweeping generalizations non-shocker.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 8 October 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

although I do admire his sense of macho self-confidence that allows him to make such big, dumb, sweeping generalizations.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 8 October 2004 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

i cant believe people are arguing over gilmore girls. actually i can

― kephm, Friday, 8 October 2004 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

i can't believe the argument isn't "which one would YOU do?"

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 8 October 2004 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

im sorta leaning towrds rorys' whacky professor-loving roomate. maybe it was the all black funeral attire from last week. plus her love seems genuine

― kephm, Friday, 8 October 2004 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

i can't believe the argument isn't "which one would YOU do?"

how very macho dude of you.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 8 October 2004 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I just found out that the gal who plays Paris was in the forgettable 1998 indie film Whatever (my reaction coming out of the theater: "Eh, whatever.").

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 8 October 2004 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

ZING!

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 8 October 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Matthew, I think that you're right to suggest that there are probably a lot of "macho dudes" who don't like (or even watch) Gilmore Girls because it's "too girly" -- but I think you're wrong to suggest that anyone who doesn't like it must necessarily be one of those "macho dudes." I mean, I really like the sharp, quick-witted banter, but I can also see how it could drive someone crazy -- and that has nothing to do with being a "macho dude."

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 8 October 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, sorry, I reread: you're not exactly saying that. You are assuming, however, that Hstencil is a "macho dude."

Macho dudes vs. Noise dudes FITE!

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 8 October 2004 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Not exactly a shock that macho dudes hate the Gilmore Girls.

No way, I'm totally a macho dude and I am slavishly devoted to the Gilmore Girls. I am eagerly awaiting the release of season 2 on DVD.

― adam (adam), Friday, 8 October 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I really like sharp, quick-witted banter, which other things have in spades over GG. Go rent Bringing Up Baby or something to see how it's really done.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 8 October 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

if they were real people who were around me and talked that way I'd have to hate them, true. despite their good taste in music. this might be true for ILX also!

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 8 October 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i think IRL i would want to lash out and strangle most of people on the show. i mean i am surrounded by east coast yuppie cutsey , yet i watch this show.

xpost

― kephm, Friday, 8 October 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I wasn't implying anything about Hstencil (though I am not even a little bit surprised that he's not into the show.) That "macho dudes" thing was all about the group of Red Sox fans who shamed Kephm!

All I ever said was that it's no big shock when macho dudes don't like the show.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

My gf appeared, dancing in the background, on the episode last season where the Shins played Spring Break. She won the chance to do this from a radio station contest. I was bummed that I wasn't able to go with her.

― morris pavilion (samjeff), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

There was that one episode where Lane came bounding over to the Gilmore's house with the new XTC cd....

― Shooz (shooz), Friday, 8 October 2004 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Ewww, they had Lane playing a Rilo Kiley song to Rory over the phone last night! I guess it totally makes sense though - 19 year old indie girls are the target market for that band, and of course that character would love them.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 11:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Matthew, hating on Rilo Kiley is not very nice of you. And is this implying that you were more OK w/ Lane's band (FEATURING SEBASTIAN BACH) ripping into the Great American Hero theme punk rock stylee than w/ a wee li'l RK song?

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 11:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm okay with Sebastian Bach's character being in their band, and less okay with the punk spoof of the Great American Hero theme (but that makes sense, since they are supposed to be a shitty local band and it would be sorta unrealistic if they were actually quite clever). I don't have a problem with anything really - it all was logical and realistic. I just think Rilo Kiley sucks, that's all.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah a little piece of me died with the Rilo Kiley thing.

― adam (adam), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

My girlfriend liked that part.

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

this week i watched *just* to see if they'd make any musical mentions and i think i overhead Lane talking about Cramps, White Stripes, Yo La Tengo, SY and a few others....

― ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, all of that was in the context of a conversation about the potential ramifications of Lane dating a bandmate.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Has anyone on the show listened to anything even vaguely modern r'n'b or hip-hop, out of curiosity?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Not really, which is pretty realistic, actually. Occasionally Lorelai or Lane will say something which is explicitly rockist.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Realistic in terms of character and environment, I mean.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Hm, how sad. You are right about that being realistic though.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I used to joke around that Lane Kim was my ideal Fluxblog reader, but now it seems like that character would probably like Said The Gramophone and Teaching The Indie Kids a lot more than my site. (Which shouldn't be read as a dig on those guys, mind you.)

But yeah, if Lorelai started really getting into Nelly, it would be really out of character. It would be nice if there was another character (probably a new one) who had different tastes.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Different tastes but still portrayed as being cool, mind you.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuck, I keep forgetting I can watch this now.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

This was the first full episode I ever watched. I'm not sure if I liked it. But it was cool when the girl in the band told the guy in the band that she liked him.

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

What's odd about GG's indie pandering is that it seems like it would turn off the very people it's aiming for. Don't indie kids dislike name-dropping? Aren't they going to roll their eyes and go "Yeah, whatever, poseur TV show" every time Yo La Tengo is mentioned? (Or maybe I'm way off base; I don't know any indie kids.)

― morris pavilion (samjeff), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Uh, this thread pretty much disproves that theory.

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

thread.............................................................................is hurting...................................................................................................................................................... my........ head...... .................................................................................like................................................................... a............. thousand.............................. dogs

― kephm (kephm), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

People on this thread aren't going, "Wheee, they mentioned my favorite band!" Maybe the whole point of the references is to have people talk about "how the Gilmore Girls writers drop those music references," like we're doing here. I dunno.

― morris pavilion (samjeff), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn’t someone who worked on this show previously, like, post here? I seem to remember that, but now I’m thinking that if it’s true surely Ned would have mentioned it before me.

The most basic good thing about this show is that it’s television that has enough faith in your intelligence to assume you really can take in more than eight sentences per minute, even if said sentences are switching through various positions of irony and/or metaphor. This is sort of a basic win, I figure. The show itself hasn’t been so hot this season, I don’t think, but there was definitely a period in there where it was definitely solid.

Best recent use of music reference: Sebastian Bach says something uplifting about his kids, bass player says “Why don’t you just go join the Polyphonic Spree.” Apart from Bach’s involvement the whole Lane’s-band thing just kinda depresses me.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)

um, you think they talk really fast because they trust the viewers' intelligence? i always took that as an mtv-style, throw-it-all-at-'em approach to content delivery

― ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually the best moment of all of last night's episode was when Lane's band was playing, Bach takes a solo, and looks into the camera while doing some fancy guitar move. I think that was the only LOL moment for me.

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's sort of implicit that anyone who does really densely-written banter and expects people to follow -- whether it's Sorkin or here -- is, you know, yeah, counting on finding an audience that can keep up with it. Also an audience that's not super-attached to conversational realism and doesn't mind the whole thing coming off a bit stilted: with this show you know you're watching "writing" as much as "dialogue," and that's something I kind of appreciate. This isn't some huge step, but for television it's kind of something, a bit liked the raised bar of reference-humor on Frasier used to be; not much, but kind of surprising for network television. I dunno: if I'm going to turn on my television and watch a cute comedrama thing like this I want as many snappy remarks per second as the writers can possibly provide without losing me, and I appreciate this show's revving that up in spots -- expecially since it's being done in such a casual environment, as opposed to, say, with the White House staff. (Not that I didn't love the first couple West Wing seasons.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Just for the record, N, last night's episode was pretty dull, even for the current season.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, it was a slow burner.

Nabisco, are you not happy w/ Lane's band because you don't like the whole band subplot, or are you irked that a character like Lane is involved in such a stultifying rockist group of folks (though she's megarockist as well)? OR are you confused (as I once was) by the notion that a vaguely servicable cover band can do somewhat well in rurally upscale CT handing out 2nd-hand White Stripes & Clash songs to the kiddies?

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)

... never really looked at it this way, but having done so now, i like it!

― ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree with Nabisco - one of the first episodes I ever saw had this total Hal Hartley-style exchange between a few characters (the acting style was so specific that I thought it had to be an intentional Hartley homage). I think that at its best, the show's dialogue works in that Hartley kind of way. (For the record, it was the episode where Lorelai gets her belated high school degree; backstage at the graduation ceremony, a couple finds out that L's parents are rich, and the guy starts making these really snide, angry, strident remarks while his gf/wife tries to calm him down.)

That said, I tend to think the writing's only good when the episodes are written by Amy Sherman-Palladino herself (especially these days).

― morris pavilion (samjeff), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

You know, D, I’m not really sure. I just sometimes feel like the show has never really known what to do with Lane, and so a lot of the material having to do with her seems like the writers aren’t particularly invested in it: this whole band thing is funny, in spots, but mostly it just runs through various having-a-band clichés without really doing much with them. Also it hurts my ears when they actually play, which is, you know, realistic but depressing.

Another thing I can say for this show: I guess I do find it kind of charming that it’s one of few shows on television with teenagers in it that doesn’t seem to feel any kind of need to make them very cool. I mean, Lane is Rory’s hip friend, and she’s not particularly hip at all: she’s a music geek who spent most of high school reading Mojo and the Trouser Press because her mother wouldn’t let her socialize. Rory’s even less hip than that. No one in the whole show is particularly well-dressed or cool, teenagers or adults. But they all talk well. That’s somehow charming, I think.

I’m weirdly offended by the “claimed” in the thread title. Lorelai Gilmore is a fictional character, so if she says she likes Sparks I think we can assume that she means it. I’m not sure it’s particularly surprising, either. I don’t remember too many of the other things she was naming in that scene, but they seemed to be almost exactly what you’d expect from a woman her age who was more “into” music in the mid-80s: Sparks and U2, I remember, which seems accurate. It reminded me momentarily of a woman I used to work with who had a strongly-preserved The The fandom from the same era; it struck me as weird when I learned this, and then I realized it was absolutely, absolutely normal. Just because things have a hipster smell to them now doesn’t mean nobody else has ever enjoyed them in the past.

I don’t understand why her name is spelled with an A, though. And is it just me or did she basically say in this last episode that Rory’s name is Lorelai as well? I must have missed whenever that was established. That’s kind of creepy, a teenage mother naming her daughter the same thing as herself.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

R&B/Hip-hop: I watched the pilot a couple of weeks ago and both Lorelais were listening to Macy Gray.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

FWIW.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, Rory's name is Lorelai. I think this was established a long time ago in a flashback episode, after Rory's dad showed up in Star's Hollow.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)

(On second thought, she probably wasn't getting her high school diploma in that episode I mentioned; it was probably her BA or a business degree or something.)

― morris pavilion (samjeff), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

are Sparks nazis?

― big chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

A lady gets a lotta things
She gets a 20 carat ring
She gets the alimony too
She gets to look good in the nude
But there's one place where they've been whipped
Between the nose and upper lip
M-M-M-M-M-M Moustache
M-M-M-M-M-M Moustache
M-M-M-M-M-M Moustache
One hundred hairs make a man
I tried a handlebar design
My Fu Manchu was real fine
My Ronald Colman made 'em blink
My Pancho Villa made 'em think
But when I trimmed 'em real small
My Jewish friends would never call
M-M-M-M-M-M Moustache
M-M-M-M-M-M Moustache
M-M-M-M-M-M Moustache
One hundred hairs make a man
They call me sir, and that ain't bad
Sometimes they think that I'm my Dad
And women flirt and you can bet
They like that tickle that they get
The only time I feel bad
Is when the guess the lunch I've had

M-M-M-M-M-M Moustache
M-M-M-M-M-M Moustache
M-M-M-M-M-M Moustache
One hundred hairs make a man

(BTW, Chaki, check yer e-mail.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Piggybacking N's comment - it's almost like the GG creators are trying to offer viewers a more presentable white-washed version of the Freaks & Geeks version of "cool" ("cool" meaning you're comfortable in your own skin, which at once does & doesn't apply to the F&G characters).

Lane's high points as a character seemed to occur when she was trying to hide Dave (& her secret life) from her mom. The minute she was outed, that tension dissipated, and now (like N. noted) her appearances during the show are more like trips to some sitcom called Lane's Adventures In Suburban Drumming. I hoped for more Mom interaction after that episode where she visited Lane's rock crib, but that hasn't panned out just yet.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

the soundtrack disc to GG should be called Lane's Adventures in Suburban Drumming, all covered by matador artists

― ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

The fact that Rory is named Lorelai is established in the very first episode.

I agree with Nabisco about how the characters aren't particularly cool in a flashy sense, but in a really ordinary "oh, if I met that person, I'd probably like them or at least enjoy their company up until a point." One thing I appreciate about GG is that it acknowledges a few different types of people who exist in the world but are never portrayed in popular entertainment. Lane Kim is a really great example of this, but Rory is too. Paris, when she's more of a human and less of a caricature, is most certainly like this.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 17 October 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, I've noticed that the show always kinda lags a bit at the beginning of the season. It takes a while to get the plots in motion. It's always best in mid season, and the drama picks up in the final third.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 17 October 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

It's the same way with Buffy too - the first third of the season is about establishing a status quo which is disrupted later on.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 17 October 2004 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

nobody has pointed out that grant lee phillips is a regular cast member, yet..

― chris andrews (fraew), Sunday, 17 October 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't think he is anymore.

― La Monte (La Monte), Sunday, 17 October 2004 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

He pops up every once in a while as a recurring character, but less frequently in the years when he's touring or recording an album. He was in the episode last season with the Living Arts festival - he was Judas in the Last Supper, and Kirk (who was Jesus) went flips out on him.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 18 October 2004 11:09 (twenty-one years ago)

went flips out on him

I hope that's not a typo, because I'm going to begin using that phrase when someone goes apeshit.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 18 October 2004 11:26 (twenty-one years ago)

It was an "I just woke up 40 minutes ago" typo sort of thing. But yeah, "went flips" has a nice ring to it.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 18 October 2004 11:27 (twenty-one years ago)

You know, the only fact i care about GG is that Lorelei is the hottest MILF on tv today.

Her only problem is that she talks too much. When will women realise this is not a good thing?

― Elvis is Dead, Monday, 18 October 2004 11:30 (twenty-one years ago)

And every word of yours is a wonderful pearl of great price.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 18 October 2004 12:08 (twenty-one years ago)

you are right, LOL.

― Elvis is Dead, Monday, 18 October 2004 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Is Sebastian Bach the dirty band guy that Lane inexplicably has a crush on? Should I be aware of who he is?

― Mary (Mary), Monday, 18 October 2004 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Sebastian Bach is the long-haired blonde guitarist who looks like he's 20 years older than everyone else, because he is. Not the one Lane has the crush on. He was in, um, Poison? Or some other big hair-metal band.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 18 October 2004 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the idea that Bach has faded enough into the past that his tenure (fronting Skid Row) is probably of interest only to him.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 18 October 2004 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude, even I know that Poison was fronted by Brett Michaels, not Sebastian Bach.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 18 October 2004 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Whatever. I was living abroad for most of my formative years. (This is a handy excuse for any music trivia I can't recall.)

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 18 October 2004 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, that guy! I hate everyone in Lane's new band, ever since Greg Rabowski or whatever sold out to the O.C. Doesn't the loser Lane likes look like the loser guy she forced Dean and Rory to bring along on a double date the first season? More importantly, what the hell are Rory and Dean doing back together? Snoozeville.

― Mary (Mary), Monday, 18 October 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Gilmore Girls is my favorite show. ****the shame of it all hasn't hit me yet***** the writers on that show are the best on TV...well the best on the WB anyway. There was a Pretty Girls make Graves poster in Lane's room too.

― bristolLover, Monday, 18 October 2004 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, most of my knowledge of 80s hair-metal has been acquired in the last couple of years, second-hand.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)

My new hairdresser is obsessed with 80s hair metal. This is a bit perplexing as his speciality is "Crops for Girls."

― Mary (Mary), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

was it a cramps reference? i thought she said the crabs. gilmore girls is the only show i watch every week, it's escapism for me, the dialogue is like a bunch of blue aeroplanes lyrics strung together trying to cram in as many pop culture references and jokes into every scene as possible and that's part of the charm, trying to keep up.

― keith m (keithmcl), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Reason why I like the Gilmore Girls: this week a very minor character (attn: n/a -- played by the bully from Freaks and Geeks!) came back from the Navy, chit-chatted in semi-cameo with Rory, and then nonchalantly revealed his prosthetic hand! I can't think of any other show on television that would just casually shoehorn something quite so weighty into a chit-chatty autumn-leavesy format like theirs. I suppose it's that kind of detail that keeps me interested.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh wow, the bully from Freaks & Geeks! He is a big part of one of my favorite F&G episodes, the one where he poisons Bill with a peanut (who is allergic), putting him in a coma, and then the bully's dad makes him go to the hospital and apologize to Bill's mom, and the bully goes in to Bill's room and breaks down and admits to a comatose Bill that he is mean to them because he is jealous of them and that he's a big dork too but they never invite him to hang out. The ending of that episode is heartbreaking. In conclusion, I know nothing about Gilmore Girls, but I loves me some Freaks & Geeks.

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

That's one of my favorite heartbreak F&G moments, the turning the bike around. Favorite weird non-heartbreak moment: the bit where Bill goes home after school and makes a sandwich and watches Gary Shandling on television; possibly the most beautiful thing ever to appear on television.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

YES. The kid who played Bill is amazing, and based on the commentaries, he was the kid doing the most "acting" (ie, playing a character who was essentially different from his real-life personality).

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

nabisco, youre absolutely correct - that scene was really moving. any scene where bill was just sincerely joyful hit me that way, although i can't conjure up any others just now.

― peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe the part in the Halloween episode where he's dressed up as the Six Million Dollar Woman and is talking to himself in the mirror? Though that's more just weird than joyful.

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

They sure worked Bob Dylan into last night's episode, didn't they?

Luke on this show makes me think of Alex in NYC.

― morris pavilion (samjeff), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I am really confused. Aren't bands like The Cramps or Young Marble Giants a little too obscure for most any show on television? Wouldn't really obscure references just alienate watchers?

― Laszlo Kovacs (Laszlo Kovacs), Thursday, 21 October 2004 00:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Perhaps like the glorious MST3K (where the Cramps if not YMG were mentioned a couple of times) the makers figure the right audience will find them. Which seems to be what Nabisco and others are saying here.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 October 2004 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)

totally off topic, but totally on, i was watching Malcom In The Middle the other day (i think the one where malcom gets to be the lead in a shakespear play and becomes super close with the cool older kids) and both Kim Kelly and the cheerleader that sam always had the crush on who farted were in the episode. also the bitchy cheerleader that made out with Bill (or was it Neal?) in the closet is a main character in Reba

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 21 October 2004 01:12 (twenty-one years ago)

the cramps are obscure?

― chris andrews (fraew), Thursday, 21 October 2004 01:45 (twenty-one years ago)

For your average viewer of family-friendly prime time television programs they might be.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 21 October 2004 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah but i'd assume gilmore girls already has an established indie-following, as freaks and geeks did.. i kinda dig the idea that the writers have incorporated a little bit of that kinda of musical influence into the scripts without actually _forcing_ it..

― chris andrews (fraew), Thursday, 21 October 2004 02:21 (twenty-one years ago)

The obscure references do two things - for people who are in the know, it makes them go "oh wow, I can't believe they said that," and for people who aren't, it reinforces the notion that Rory, Lane, etc have eclectic, obscure tastes, which is a part of their character. For people who don't know, those may as well be fictional bands, it makes no difference and it gets the same point across.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 21 October 2004 10:43 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

I avoided this show for so long because I caught one episode, and there was so much yapping; followed it with another and there was even MORE yapping. and I realized, oh cod they're ALL like that; it's this annoyingly chatty show with quick and unnecessarily detailed dialogue and pop culture "in" reference points steamrolled out by --and I say this, as a woman--these hyper-disordered and emotionally complicated women. They just did not want to SHUT UP. It was not cute, and it really sort of annoyed me.

But, somehow, I caught a rerun of the pilot, caught on to the show's rhythm, and kept with it from the first season thereon.

And I have to say, I don't really watch much TV, but, in comparison to a show like the O.C., which I don't really follow (I've attempted to watch many an O.C. ep, but it's such a horribly awful and plastic and carefully contrived show that I don't think I've ever made it through one whole hour of the drama) Gilmore Girls--concerning the music appreciation aspect--was a very welcome discovery.
(Mind you, I'm only at the end of season 2, but,) Lane verbally listing her current conquests does seem a bit too-savy sometimes, but really, so what. Sixteen year olds are not so discreet, so perfectly intelligent about referencing their tastes, anyway. Reminds me of the smart/passionate musically inclined kids in high school that were a bit over-obsessive or blatant with their tastes, but it was forgivable because they were still establishing themselves.

Anyway, I like this show a lot (now), and for the most part, I like the way the show handles the inclusion of "quality" music. I'm not familiar with any other tv show that has kept up so steadily (naturally? well, not exclusively for marketing purposes) with this beat. So, TRLs and all out there, GG is pretty good for what it is.

― mox twelve (Mox twleve), Friday, 13 January 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

the biggest music
reference in this week's show
was, um, paul anka

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 13 January 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

They're saving up for the Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! reveal next week.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 13 January 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

Well I'm just gonna have to Tivo that one. so I can watch it over. and over.
Before hiatus there was a bunch of (yeah, mostly eyeroll) references. Replacements, Zombies. The guy in the audience that requested "Freebird," was smirkworthy. or is that too obvious.
meh.

― mox twelve (Mox twleve), Friday, 13 January 2006 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

Funny, mox, I used to love this show, but I watched it recently after not having seen it in a few months and the hyper-chattiness for the first time really grated on me.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 January 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I felt the same as jaymc when I tuned in a few weeks ago - the dialogue sounded as forced & unnatural as longtime critics of the show always claimed it was. Some really awkward attempts @ back & forth repartee that just didn't fly.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 13 January 2006 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

this show is gayness incarnate

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 January 2006 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, no bashing on the G Hos. Great fucking show.

― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Friday, 13 January 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

gilmore girlz better watch their back now that my name is ed has played nick drake on an episode. (i still heart gilmore girlz. i am waaaaaaay gay.)

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 13 January 2006 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

Strongo, you're totally cruising for a bitchslap if you keep this up.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

what are you gonna do, whip me with your frilly pink panties?

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

JUST TRY IT, SILLY BOY

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

OMG JESS IS A NOIZE DUDE NOW

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.bettybowers.com/graphics/girlyman.gif

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

Can we please refer to the Gilmore Girls as the G Hos from this moment forward? I've been trying to get that name to stick for the longest time, with little success.

But that's the perfect name for those beeatches up there in Stars Hollow.

G Hos! G Hos! G Hos! I love the G Hos!

― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

Well, actually, yeah, jaymc, the newer stuff I think is what annoyed me? This is all pretty recent, like I said, I got into it by way of the syndicated stuff--I'm catching up by recording & watching the ordered daily re-runs. And I like the reruns so I tolerate Tuesdays, and there is a noticeable difference between seasons, but it all kind of meshes together in a sameness after a while.

Haha, cancer, that's exactly what my little brother said to me. "so gay." chyeah, those macho guys...

― mox twelve (Mox twleve), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

The chattiness is grating now because Rory sucks now, meaning there are NEVER two evenly-matched chatters in one scene. Luke seems like he's humoring Lorelai and her babbling. Paris gets forced to do bit-comedy caricature in front of Rory, who acts like she's about to start slowly backing to the door. Lorelai and Emily haven't talked much lately. The best conversational match-up in recent weeks has been the classic Luke-and-Kirk duo, which only works for about two and a half minutes, tops.

And yes in advance, Matthew, I understand part of Rory's present suckiness is in keeping with the character arc, but part of it also seems to be down Alexis just generally being sucky lately. (A theory has been advanced to me: that she was better when she was acting less, and then she went and did some movies, and now she's all trying to act, badly, and ruining everything.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

2035: The Golden Gilmore Girls

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

DAMN YOU PANTS BROTHERHOOD

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

don't worry, once luke's daughter and lorelai start bantering, you won't even miss rory. rory's bantering with lorelai these days is really really forced and this seems true to life to me. she just doesn't have the time to be mom's best friend anymore. lorelai is gonna have to watch that rosie o'donnell t.v. movie by herself from now on.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

Sherilynn Fenn was on this week, that is enough to forgive any problems the show may or may not have had lately.

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

Glad I'm not the only one around here who watches this show. I want Lane to get her own spinoff show.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

"but part of it also seems to be down Alexis just generally being sucky lately."
Add to that that Logan guy. He does not even seem to like Rory, let alone Alexis. Worst chemistry ever.

― mox twelve (Mox twleve), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmm, I think the show has been a little weak lately too (I still really like it, but in comparison to how good last season was...), but I chalk it up to weak writing for Lorelai and Luke - I'm still way into the Rory stuff, especially when Emily and Richard are involved.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

Luke's "new" daughter is like someone backscripted a "quirkier" Rory -- not the worst idea, but she's basically Olivia to Rory's Rudy Huxtable!

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

I made my wife keep
this on DVR to see
Ms. Sherilyn Fenn

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

Also she's a little too explicitly modeled on quirky girls from young-adult novels, which could start to grate as soon as there's an Anastasia Krupnik reference.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

(xxp) Hahaha.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

sherilyn looked so great and she's also become a much better actress than she was fifteen years ago.

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

she reminded me of an old girlfriend of mine who i still see around occasionally. it was spooky.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

my wife said "she's fat"
I said "no, um, SUKIE's fat"
my wife rolled her eyes

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

Whoa, that was Sherilyn Fenn??

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

This is my favorite show even though there's tons about it I don't like (like the Northern Exposure-esque wackiness of Stars Hollow) and I'd never seen it until last spring when I randomly happened upon re-runs on ABC Family (after The 700 Club?!?) while on paternity leave with my daughter. The whole having a daughter thing is much more meaningful to my being a sucker for the show than being a music fan (though, like Matthew said, I think most of the music stuff is totally in character).

Best part of the show, which hasn't been mentioned at all on this thread, I think, is the Lorelai/Emily relationship. I'm not crazy about the direction the show is headed in the last couple of new episodes (Rory and Loralei forced, subpar banter, Luke's kid), but hope it'll get back on track when they work the Richard and Emily drama back in.

I'm done now.

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

The episode after next is going to be nothing but one long super-tense Friday Night Dinner. I can't imagine that not ruling.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

Fenn-mole in full effect. Apparently she was going to play "a surrogate mother on Sherman-Palladino’s aborted WB spinoff about Luke Danes’ nephew Jess Mariano?"

Start a pool, dudes: how long til the show does some kind of meta reference where Madchen Amick comes back into town and meets Fenn and through some series of wacky hi-jinks Luke needs to use them to serve coffee and pie at his restaurant (for Stars Hollow Coffe and Pie Day), and then suddenly Kirk comes along in a black suit talking to a tape recorder and Mrs. Kim inherits a sawmill and ...

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

Fenn-mole in full effect. Apparently she was going to play "a surrogate mother on Sherman-Palladino’s aborted WB spinoff about Luke Danes’ nephew Jess Mariano?

Wait a minute? Was that her who played Jess' Dad's wife on the episode where Jess went to California? And was that episode supposed to be setting up the spin-off?

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

"Gilmore Girls" playing "Anna Nardini" in episode: "Just Like Gwen and Gavin" (episode # 6.12) 17 January 2006

"Gilmore Girls" playing "Sasha" in episode: "Here Comes the Son" (episode # 3.21) 13 May 2003

It WAS her. She's been both Jess' "stepmom" AND Luke's babymama on Gilmore Girls.

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

But she was blonde the first time. Now she's not. See?

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

That Jess going to California episode seemed really odd, but with the revelation that they were trying to set-up a spinoff it all makes sense.

That Fenn has played two characters on the show just enhances the Twin Peaksyness, though.

Jess (whoever the actor is) is in some straight-to-DVD "teen sex comedy" I got a press release about.

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

Worst commentary I've heard:
"I don't watch Gilmore Girls because there's not enough hott people on it."

― mox twelve (Mox twleve), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

1. No one has mentioned the extended Brian Jonestown Massacre / Dig! tribute from November? (Including a guest appearance by Joel Gion, a near-word-for-word re-enactment of the disasterous showcase scene, and a description of one baby as the Dandy Warhols to her brother's BJM.) They spent 10 minutes+ of airtime setting up and executing a joke that went over the heads of 90% of the audience. I had to explain it to a room full of 14-year-olds.

2. I surmise Alexis Bledel is soon to become an intermittant guest, to be replaced by Luke's suddenly acquired tween bio-daughter. Bledel seems bored with herself and the show. Lane can stick around to teach Rory 2.0 the suburban-hipster-reference ropes.

3. Lauren Graham/Laurelai is a MILF, but if there were a real person who engaged in her clueless, indiscriminate, obsessive, logorrheic flirtation, I might strangle her (if others didn't do it first). Occasionally, that interferes with my enjoyment of the show.

― Vornado, Friday, 13 January 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

It WAS her. She's been both Jess' "stepmom" AND Luke's babymama on Gilmore Girls.

This is worse than Bill Maher playing two different shirtless hunks in successive seasons of Murder, She Wrote.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

My GOD man - get a hold of yourself!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

The "claim" in this thread title still bugs the living fuck out of me.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...

Sonic Youth, Yo La Tengo, Joe Pernice, AND Sparks on season finale tonight:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12679452/

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

man, like all of my least favorite bands on my favorite show. was that sonic youth's kid? yo la tengo were clearly the worst thing ever.

― keyth (keyth), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 01:16 (nineteen years ago)

I tuned in to catch a glimpse of Sonic Youth, but couldn't sit through the dialogue. Ugh

― Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 01:20 (nineteen years ago)

wow this show is an abomination.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 02:38 (nineteen years ago)

Sonic Youth's thing was the best ever! They should perform like that IRL.

And you kinda need to watch it a few times before you get into it...

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 03:01 (nineteen years ago)

The first singer, the blonde woman, looked familiar, but I don't know if she's an actual singer or someone I saw on TV.

― milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 03:15 (nineteen years ago)

that was mary lynn rajskub, from mr show and 24.

also all you haters can eat it -- this episode was amazing (although you'd probably need at least one more episode of context to realize what you all were seeing)

― maura (maura), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 03:40 (nineteen years ago)

also, ps, it's lorelAI, not lorelei

― maura (maura), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 03:40 (nineteen years ago)

Didn't I see Sam Phillips on there tonight?

― Redd Temple Player (TowHeaded O.G.) (Ken L), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 04:30 (nineteen years ago)

yes. she does all the incidental music for the show as well (you probably knew that)

I thought this episode sucked though, that ending was ridiculous, it was like the pallodinos kiss off to the fans. at least they didn't cram april in there.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 04:38 (nineteen years ago)

haha kyle have you never been a slightly tipsy person on a relationship brink? because seriously, i could totally relate.

― ms. bad ideas at times, probably, given the post i'm making right now (maura), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 05:06 (nineteen years ago)

it would have been nice for the pallodino's final show to have had more than one scene with rory and lorelai together, is all.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 05:10 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think they knew it was going to be their last scene when it was being written, no?

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

Sam Phillips was all I saw (goddamn F train) -- she scores the series, yeah? and does Ch 11 NYC rerun it on the weekend?

Never seen the show, and based on 5 minutes, no regrets.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

I hate the way they crammed all the important stuff into the last five minutes (they did that a lot this season) and the musical guests were pure pointless filler. But at least there was minimal Kirk. Anyway, that ending was sort of the ending I've been hoping for all along. But I'm not gonna watch next season. When the creators walk, the audience should too. I made that mistake with The West Wing and now I'm gonna watch Sunday night's series finale with a spirit of "Shit, thank God that's finally done."

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

considering how much ASP has sucked in terms of writing this season, im more inclined to watch next season. im totally fed up with 30 minutes of fodder followed by 10-15 minutes of actual plot advancement.

― mts (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

The editing in this episode was really nice, esp toward the end.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, it's been a real bad season, and this was with the Palladinos on. I don't have any particular confidence in the new guy, but I'll give it a shot.

I had no particular "oooh!" reaction to the episode, but maybe this is because the ending had been friggin spoiled all over the place, to the point where you could even guess it from the fucking commercials.

Nowhere near enough Gil / Lane. They should get their own spinoff, seriously.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

its not that I couldn't follow what was going on (gimme a break, its a soap opera!) or needed to "get into it" its that the writing is so atrociously forced and suffocating - it plays like its written by hermetically-sealed super-queenyy drama nerds. Thank god it was occasionally broken up by musical non-sequiturs (most of which were all pretty "meh" but at least they didn't involve self-absorbed idiots constantly talking past each other as quickly as possible).

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

Apparently D. Palladino was one of the troubadours also? I thought I saw his name as I watched the credits. It was sort of surreal seeing all those relatively big name musicians in Stars Hollow. I'm interested in seeing where the show goes. Lauren Graham is a genius, and I will defintely tune in to see how she fares next year. They had her do a money scene with a dog and she brought it home. I was glad she finally stood up for herself with Luke but suprised to find her in bed with Christopher. I could care less about Alexis Bledel at this point--they have run Rory's character into the ground.

― Mary (Mary), Thursday, 11 May 2006 00:18 (nineteen years ago)

the writing is so atrociously forced and suffocating - it plays like its written by hermetically-sealed super-queenyy drama nerds

Read thread above for some thoughts on why this is sort of the whole point: as a criticism (and a perfectly valid one, if you're not into that) it's a bit like saying "I hate Hal Hartley movies, everyone talks like they're reading."

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 11 May 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

nabisco otm.

show quality has dipped this season, but i still like it a lot.

― PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Thursday, 11 May 2006 02:16 (nineteen years ago)

There are no demons on the show. If there were demons I might like it. But there are none, so I don't like it. Even with Sparks.

― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Thursday, 11 May 2006 03:31 (nineteen years ago)

self-absorbed idiots constantly talking past each other as quickly as possible

This accurately sums up the few scenes I saw

― Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Thursday, 11 May 2006 03:42 (nineteen years ago)

But maybe the real problem for me is that it's not bad *enough*... like, it's not so trashy that I can enjoy it in a kitschy sort-of way

Ah whatever!
I don't want to rain on anyone's parade

― Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Thursday, 11 May 2006 03:46 (nineteen years ago)

do you people say the same thing about whit stillman movies (I think this show is better than his movies, though. or at least more enjoyable because I don't hate everyone on the show)?

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 11 May 2006 04:45 (nineteen years ago)

this thread has actually clarified for me that when I'm liking Gilmore Girls, I'm liking the same thing I like about Hartley and Stillman movies. (I probably should have seen this ages ago, but I think I was blinded by gender.) and there's the Chris Eigemann connection with Stillman.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Thursday, 11 May 2006 04:52 (nineteen years ago)

six years pass...

this thread title is a beautiful time capsule. it will likely be incomprehensible in 30 years.

― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 3 November 2012 12:48 (thirteen years ago)

Lorelei on the Gilmore Girls is so much cooler than Lorelei on Parenthood.

― tylerw, Saturday, 3 November 2012 19:18 (thirteen years ago)

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