PRUSSIAN BLUE - White Power Folk Duo.... of 12-year-old twin sisters...

1) DMB
2) Furrydom
3) Scat porn
4) The White Power movement

Those who know, know. Those who don't, don't wanna.

That's pretty much where I was going.

Except of course me.

it just wasn't likely was it.

Why am I not surprised.

Shh, you'll awaken him!

They should totally be on the next Showbiz Moms & Dads. I want to see the parents who, through 12 years of teaching their children to hate, unleashed this duo on the world.

Wait, what?

That is truly dreadful.

http://www.mangaportal.de/bilder/manga/bilder/prussian_blue.jpg

But isn't every issue har har blah blah etc.

1732 - George Washington - General of the Continental Army, first U.S. President and Father of our country.

1810 - Frederic Chopin - Polish-French musician who is considered to be among the greatest composers of all time.

1857 - Lord Robert Baden-Powell - British military general on whose ideas and ideals the Boy Scouts were founded.

1950 - Julius Erving - Pro basketball star who brought the game to a new level with his leaping ability, incredible hang-time and magnificent dunk shots.

Always go back to the originals.

http://www.nationalvanguard.0rg/docs/video/prussianblue-victoryday.mov
[admin - change the '0' in .org for an 'o', thx]

aw, my old hangout back when i lived on 20th & sansom. do you guys ever go to doobies?

still, no coors products = cool in my book.

also, nazi tweens on the t.v. at this bar = contentious. people were crowded down on that end.

Vive la Shaggs!

Sez you. Rotting fruit vs. rotting vegetables. But both, of sorts, equivalent to man bites dog stories in journalism.

I'm not quite sure what to think of those t-shirts. (hotlinked from The Telegraph, not a right-wing site. Although that's arguable.)

Karl Kuhn

*absolutely gobsmacked*

At one point, Prussian Blue did the "Panzerlied." It wasn't a genuine Nazi tune, having been composed by an American in Hollywood. They apparently abandoned it. Most, if not all, these originals are available for free on the net.

Badass Nigger Foundation, or BNF; this is largely believed to consist of Sweet Sweetback, the only black man in all of Europe

Not quite as good as the John Siegenthaler, Jr. was implicated in the assassination of JFK and the premier of Norway was a pedophile Wikipedia entries, but decent.

Was what reminded me (mouse over the links). Same guy, I think.

Two little Hitlers ponder a trip Down Under

Who says you can’t get quality overseas acts to Australia? The Northern Territory News reports this week that Prussian Blue is considering a tour Down Under, starting in the tropical climes of Darwin.

For those unawares, Prussian Blue is a big deal [not quite, Dundee] in America and is what’s known as a ‘white pride band’.

It features two little children, twins Lamb and Lynx Gaede, aged 13. The girls, who grew up in Central Valley, California use music to promote racial hatred and the supremacy of the white race.

Little Lynx and Lamb grew up on a ranch and according to their official biography started riding ponies at an early age. They competed in a few “horseshows” and even a “local rodeo princess contest”.

Since then, they’ve taken to wearing t-shirts depicting smiley faces with little Hitler moustaches.

-- The National Indigenous Times

But for sheer spookiness, none is likely to beat Prussian Blue, the singing duo comprised of a pair of 'lovely and talented' blonde 12-year-old twins - named, believe it or not, Lynx and Lamb - the daughters of a National Vanguard writer-activist, who, in the words of one reviewer, 'make beautiful, soaring, harmonious music together, music with a pro-White slant'.

Lynx plays the violin and sings. Lamb plays the guitar and sings. They're allegedly 'the most talked-about duo in the burgeoning Euromusic scene'. like Latvia's political party, the BNM

-- The Jamaica Daily Crapper

Teen People magazine, which is owned by Time Inc., has removed from its web site an article that whitewashed a neo-Nazi teenage singing duo.

Time Inc removed the article after receiving a protest from The David S. Wyman Institute for Holocaust Studies.

"It was irresponsible for Teen People to post an article describing these neo-Nazis as 'white separatists' without ever acknowledging that they are racists, admirers of Hitler, and Holocaust-deniers,"' said Dr. Rafael Medoff, director of the Wyman Institute. "Time Inc has done the right thing by removing the offensive article from the Teen People web site."

The controversy began when Teen People announced that its upcoming February 2006 issue would include a feature story on "Prussian Blue," the 13 year-old twin sisters Lynx and Lamb Gaede.

But the announcement described the twins' beliefs only as "white pride" and did not mention that they wear Hitler t-shirts, deny the Holocaust, and frequently perform at neo-Nazi events. Oops!

-- The Spero News

Blond twins, Lamb and Lynx Gaede, age 13, of Bakersfield, Calif., sing professionally as Prussian Blue at white-supremacy concerts and rallies and on the white-nationalist Resistance Records label (with songs like “Sacrifice,” which is a tribute to Hitler's deputy Rudolf Hess), according to an October ABC News story.

-- News of the Weird

Just look at some of the upcoming celebrity children's books slated for the Christmas season:

"Sally Sue Springtime Sparkles and the Industrial Society that Collapsed Due to the Unnatural Demands of Technology," by Theodore Kaczynski. A bedtime manifesto that's perfect for rainy day reading. 35,000 words.

"Thomas the Tranq Engine," by Tom Cruise. After escaping from a den of wicked psychotherapists and their evil drug therapies, a troubled young boy finds solace on a secret island where anyone is welcomed no matter how different or wealthy they are.

"How Did That Get In There?" by Winona Ryder. A touching tale of a young girl and her animal friends who find out that stealing is, apparently, wrong.

"Everybody Hates," by Lamb and Lynx Gaede of Prussian Blue. Two perky, blonde, crime-fighting tweens battle against evil and miscegenation with the help of their purebred dog and their ghost friend, Heinrich.

-- THe Daytona Beach News-Journal

Mag tells 'Nazi' singers: Heil, no!

Teen People nixed a story about Hitler-loving teenybopper twins Prussian Blue - amid outrage that the glossy had promised to avoid the words "hate," "supremacist" and "Nazi" in its piece on the racist singing sisters.
A Web-based teaser for the February story originally called the hatemongering duo "aspiring musicians" and compared them to wide-eyed sensations Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen.

-- New York Daily News

Child rearing, Nazi-style

At the risk of giving them more free publicity than they should get, this page today returns to the matter of Prussian Blue, two 13-year-old Olsen Twin wanna-bes who have hooked their American pop-star dream to an Aryan star. Sieg heil.
White-supremacist darlings Lynx and Lamb (we kid you not) Gaede, from sunny and sparkly Bakersfield, Calif., have been in a media spotlight since ABC "Primetime" featured them last month. The peak of stupidity was approached - and, thankfully, avoided - this week: Teen People magazine was rightly pressured into dumping a planned article on the duo

-- New York Daily News, again

cant we all just get allong man

Please don't show the same ignorence as theses two little girls and their fans. The typical "Nordic Odin-worshipping stock" is stronlgy against any form of prejudice. Saying that they are like us true Asatru/Odinists is like saying that all Cristians agree with the Ku Klux Klan. Which, as you probalbly know, burn a cristian cross in there gatherings and prodly prpclaim there allegiance to Jesus. There only thing that the Nazi's and Asatru have in common is the swastica. And if you known anything about human history, the swastica is used by nearly every civilization in the world. To include certain Native American tribes, Hindu's, Buddists', Jainists, and most ancient european groups (FYI, the nazi swastica is from an eastern european group, not a Skandinavian group). If you want to attach a religion to nazism, just remember, Adolf Hitler was a Cathlic. Who was suprisingly not hostile towards the Vatican. In conclusion, the nazi's have absolutly nothing to do with Asatru or it's followers.

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/town-tells-white-separatist-singers-no/20060916122909990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001

Seriously, though, I think the neighbors need to relax. Civil rights goes both ways. It doesn't seem like they want to be bothered or bother anyone.

I was thinking about making a thread for Riot Folk. Should I?

Their motto is "Making Folk a threat again".

Hahahahaah!

Yes, because stating opposition to a couple of Nazi cunts is much like the Salem Witch Trials.

also, the opening exchange on this thread is hilarious:
in the new Vice they interview these two little girls that do folk versions of nazi punk songs. C or D

Ned, I'm on it.

As long as no one is hurting anyone else, who cares? I don't know what my neighbors believe and frankly I don't much give a shit. Everyone's invited to the picnic, so long as they BYOB, baby.

That aside - who's being harassed? The Nazi cunts' supporters are doing the harassment. Whose rights are being infringed? Where have the cunts been forced out, injured or penalized?

If you're going to play far-right Momus, at least do it with some panache.

QFD, nigga.

redundant

a year in the life of Prussian Blue is starting on channel 4 (uk) in 2 minutes time

i'm quite excited about shouting at the TV!

"i love you so much!!!"

"black people have the.. the more tendancy to rape people"

...!

Song snippets seem quite nice so far though

The dad looks like santa

and calls nonwhites "mud people"

He caught mexicans having sex with his horse and his male dog, so he is entitled to his opinion!

please tell me Louis Theroux is involved in this somehow.

he sings harmonies

haha "it wasn't even a female dog, it was a male dog" !!

"i don't want to call it white power, that's not what we're about"

ok it wasn't even a female dog see that's crossing a line

like i'd fuck a dog if i had to, but i'm no queer. not like them mexicans!

Why do these non-celebrities get so much attention on ILM?

joke about Hongroe

Because they're the ultimate right-wing country artists

I'm sure they hate hip-hop just like you do Geir

For the wrong reasons though.

and there we leave it.

Geir Hongro: right on hip-hop.

prussian blue not actually nazis: http://jezebel.com/gossip/clips/teenage-racist-folk-singers-admit-their-own-white-guilt-288924.php?autoplay=true

"Why not Cheetah and Goat?" HAHAHAHA

white guilt!

wow, her mom tells "lynx" to put on a "happy face" for the camera and then she "can act like as much of a cunt as you want for the rest of the night."

those kids need to move out

wow that mom's a bitch. this looks pretty interesting i'd like to see the whole thing.

They played a nazi festival in Sweden just a few weeks ago. Sounds nazi to me.

their mom is making them!

glad reprogramming has set in.

"Best way to get back at the mom is date a nice stereotype. Lil Wayne'd be a great start."

seriously fuck this guy

please tell me Louis Theroux is involved in this somehow.

I just read his book in which he describes hanging out with them for a couple days. I forgot the name of the book now, but
I think the subtitle is something like 'travels in america's subcultures'

"Call of the Weird"

http://www.amazon.com/Call-Weird-Travels-American-Subcultures/dp/0306815036

if any adolescents are justified in teenage rebellion, it's these two. and talk about a lot to rebel against!

Maybe that's why they sell rebel flags in their shop.

I saw this show, the mother's obv. a neurotic fuck up but the grandad's horrendous - but the thing I couldn't understand was why his wife was still with him

Well she wasn't at the end, was she? I thought she left him?

No that's what I mean, she didn't leave him

Life at the End of the Road.

I suppose she loves the old Nazi

I thought the scene when they were in the snow, at the end of the road, and he was chasing her away with a shotgun was supposed to make it clear she'd left - especially when it cut to her talking, seemingly freely, about how she'd buy a house for the girls to live in when they left their mother? Maybe I missed something.

At the end of the show a voiceover said they were still together - I'm sure I didn't dream it!

I think they stayed together.

As I said on another thread there were many many WTF moments in it:

watching the mother teach her three year old daughter Dresden(!) the ABCs with "A is for the beautiful white Aryan race, B is for the Blood the white people spilled fighting for our white freedom..."

worst holocaust denial ever: "fuel was so scarce in the war, why would they waste so much on killing 6 million Jews?"

It's fairly obvious throughout that the girls are/were completely under their mother's control and simply repeating the Batshit White Power Catechism by rote

entire doc here - http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=1256834677424104633

its best to ignore these people and not give them the media attention they so clearly crave above everything else

lol @ big hoos unintentional double entendre lol

when will they turn 18

yeah is there one of those crepey olsen twin style online countdown sites yet

its best to ignore these people and not give them the media attention they so clearly crave above everything else

like Shakey ever reads anything besides the thread title

the documentary adds to their and their mom's/parents' ideology's exposure, no matter how positive or negative it is. In the end its stuff like this that keep the culture from dying out altogether, because they stand as documents that generate "controversy" and thereby attract interest from either side.

Er, I think the best way to fight racism and nazism is to openly talk about it and criticize it. If you'te just silent about it, it can spread in peace. Or do you really think without TV exposure these things wouldn't exist at all? Okay, sure this exposure can attract a few people to their idelogy, but on the other hand if it isn't talked about, they can just say "the mainstream media doesn't want to confront these issues", which can also attract people to them. With the Internet existing I don't think it's possible to stop any message from spreading by refusing to address it in other media.

yeah seriously I doubt anybody's gonna watch a doc about this shit and go "WELL YA KNOW THEY HAVE A POINT"

yeah, like "I didn;t know that about Mexicans!"

I've never really understood why neo-nazis want to deny the holocaust, you'd think they'd be proud of it.

I've always wondered about that too

They are funny like that... they go on about hating underraces a lot and yet, according to their propaganda, they never really did much about them when they were in pwoer. What's that all about?

Back to Prussian Blue - do they really exist, or are they some complicated Chris Morris prank?

The fact that they're liars might have something to do with it (xpost)

<i>I've never really understood why neo-nazis want to deny the holocaust, you'd think they'd be proud of it.</i>

As far as I can tell, the basic point is "the Holocaust is an invention of those crafty, avaricious Jews. But if it <i>did</i> happen, or if someone were to make it happen today, who could blame them?"

As far as I can tell, the basic point is "the Holocaust is an invention of those crafty, avaricious Jews. But if it did happen, or if someone were to make it happen today, who could blame them?"

That's it. They see the 'invention' of the holocaust as a ruse to generate further political leverage

If you'te just silent about it, it can spread in peace. Or do you really think without TV exposure these things wouldn't exist at all?

I think without mainstream (ie, non-white-power underground) media exposure no one would've heard of Prussian Blue and their mom would've given up on their "act" and stayed appropriately marginalized. I do genuinely think that mainstream media providing a platform for these people to speak lends credence and support to their ideas, and folks like these that do get mainstream exposure are often held up as "martyrs to the cause" and whatnot. I agree that their ideologies and potentially threatening actions should be documented and challenged (not to mention prosecuted where applicable) - but not in this way where its essentially providing a platform for PR stunts on their part. If you look at the arc of Prussian Blue's media narrative it starts with this faux-naive curiosity - "these girls are adorable? can they really be hateful nazis? let's give them a 5-page article in GQ and find out..." - they get national exposure on ABC, on the BBC, predictable asshole provocateurs Vice picks up on it, etc. The mainstream media ALL fell for the novelty angle of the story - two cute little girls - and proceeded to give them more press than they EVER would have gotten without the neo-Nazi angle to their material. They are now probably the most famous neo-Nazi symbols in the culture since David Duke, and the power of that symbolism was happily granted to them by the mainstream media. They should've been ignored as just more shitty music (a la any number of skinhead punk bands or what have you that never get talked about anywhere) and consigned to the dustbin of history.

Let's be clear - they were not afforded so much media exposure because they were already popular and successfully attracting supporters to the neo-Nazi cause and posed some kind of threat that needed to be addressed in the public sphere and dealt with. They were afforded media exposure because they had a GIMMICK - a vaguely creepy pedo gimmick - and journalists ate it up.

Your entire argument is grounded in the assumption that 'media attention' has changed anything - has it? Are they 'crossing over'? I don't see it - and I don't see anywhere that you can find conclusive evidence that they've become an important symbol or a rallying cause or anything else - they appear to be precisely as popular within the movement as they were before.

And given that this documentary is nothing like prior media attention - as I said, your statement was inane. How can it be good for 'the cause' to see their little Nazi debutantes going "nah, really we don't believe that shit"?

they appear to be busking in bars, not exactly "making it" on any level

I maintain that they're the most famous symbol for the movement since David Duke. That is no small achievement, and you can bet that those in the white power movement are aware of it and proud of it.

(even if they are becoming "race traitors" - lolz- as they grow out of it)

prussian blue RIP

oh wait i just saw shakeys post & assumed thats what happened

and what RIP

shakey mo that isnt a tuomas style self-parody RIP 2001-2006

I'm sorry do you wanna talk about Li'l Mama or something instead

hey tuomas, you should try to change some minds of my folks at http://www.finalsolution88.com . they're really rational people once you get beyond the desire for war between racial factions.

thanx luriqua. who needs digg?

I've never really understood why neo-nazis want to deny the holocaust, you'd think they'd be proud of it.

more like the hollatax!! what about the genocide of my people in iraq!!!

ugh sorry weak troll :C wheres the depakote

Shakey, is your desire for MEDIA HYGIENE superstitious? Or just fascist?

I just wish the media were smarter and not such hype-mongering suckers. I'm not advocating censorship of any kind (and even if I was, censorship is not particularly or uniquely fascist)

I don't see where press attention has benefited Prussian Blue or the neo-Nazi movement at all. If anything, almost completely neutralized any threat they might have posed, and it's made them into an international laughing stock (and/or an argument for forced adoption). It's also a fantastic argument for absolute free speech. I'm all for sitting back and letting Nazi idiots dig their own graves instead of mine.

Anyone who thinks the press has given Prussian Blue "credence" should consider the following: Has Prussian Blue sold more records because of this? Gotten more gigs? Fielded offers from SNL and Letterman? Received a single piece of mainstream press that's anything but unreservedly negative? Helped the Nazis' membership ranks rise dramatically for the first time since 1945?

Not all publicity is good publicity.

you do understand that negative mainstream press validates the neo-Nazis view of themselves as "oppressed sufferers of the Jew-run media" yes?

Perhaps. But I think the revulsion toward PB extends to many different races, religions and creeds.

91,000 copies sold, album on Billboard charts

http://www.flcourier.com/index.php?Itemid=57&id=609&option=com_content&task=view

"Pop duo Prussian Blue is shocking the nation with sales of their End of A Black World album. It is the soundtrack on a remake of one of the nation’s controversial race movies, Birth Of A Nation. End of A Black World is the third and most successful album for 12 and 13 year old girls Lamb and Lynx, whose careers have skyrocketed by what seems to be a shift in openly displaying open racism."

Perhaps. But I think the revulsion toward PB extends to many different races, religions and creeds.

that's not my point - my point is that neo-Nazis expect to be negatively portrayed by the mainstream media and that it actually reinforces their worldview and their idea of themselves. While they expect (and revel in) being vilified, they also crave that exposure because it acknowledges their existence to a wider audience.

91,000 copies sold, album on Billboard charts

in, um, what country and/or universe?

Got any more proof beyond that article?

and while I wouldn't lay the entire anti-immigration movement at the feet of Prussian Blue or anything silly like that, I'm fairly certain neo-nazi/hate group ranks have found plenty of recruits in the current xenophobic/racist political climate, and that Prussian Blue would probably be welcomed by, say, members of the Minutemen

hmmm looks like those sales figures are questionable/a hoax (perpetrated by the band? dunno) - Billboard won't load their sales data

Ignore unpleasant ideas, and they carry on their business: multiplying in the dark. Supress 'em, and they draw strenth from their rebel-outlaw status. Bring 'em out into the open, and they get free publicity. There really isn't a good answer here.

that's not my point - my point is that neo-Nazis expect to be negatively portrayed by the mainstream media and that it actually reinforces their worldview and their idea of themselves. While they expect (and revel in) being vilified, they also crave that exposure because it acknowledges their existence to a wider audience.

-- Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, August 17, 2007 5:08 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

ya but what kind of argument are you making here? shoudl the mainstream press NOT portray them negatively cuz it'll make them feel good about themselves? do you really think not portraying them at all is an option? frankly i don't care if negative portrayals of nazis make nazis feel vilified. they're nazis.

an estimate on how their record label is doing, altho who knows how accurate this is

Financially speaking, the Resistance label appears to be performing modestly well, relative to the dozens of small, independent music labels operating in the United States. Most CDs listed on the Resistance Records Web site are tagged at $14.88-$15.88. Resistance spends only a few dollars each to produce and ship the CDs, plus a small fraction in band royalties. Lately, the company has reportedly been receiving about 50 orders per day, with each order averaging about $70 worth of merchandise. That adds up to more than $1 million in annual sales. Considering these figures, Resistance Records has the potential to pump substantial monetary muscle into the National Alliance.

ya but what kind of argument are you making here? shoudl the mainstream press NOT portray them negatively cuz it'll make them feel good about themselves? do you really think not portraying them at all is an option? frankly i don't care if negative portrayals of nazis make nazis feel vilified. they're nazis.

In this specific instance I'm making the argument that these girls should have been ignored altogether by the mainstream media, just like any number of other neo-nazi musicians. The only reason they weren't ignored is because they are cute little girls - NOT because they posed some kind of threat, NOT because they represented some resurgence in the white power movement, NOT because they urgently needed resisting - but because they had a GOOD ANGLE, one the media could eat up and exploit and then pat itself on the back for being anti-racist.

and in doing so they handed the white power movement their latest and greatest symbol/martyr

do you really think not portraying them at all is an option?

why isn't this an option? can you remember the last time mainstream media gave this much press to a neo-nazi/white power band? This is not stuff the mainstream media regularly covers, and for good reason: its shitty music and hardly anyone listens to it. But you put it on TV and in a bunch of magazines, all of a sudden people ARE aware of it and DO listen to it and voila white power assholes have gotten the exposure for their ideas, which was their goal all along.

yes, but bad ideas getting exposure is sort of the trade-off for living in a free society, dude.

thanks Aldous

I don't think that excuses a bunch of shitty, irresponsible, exploitative journalism

(and I'm not referring to the documentary there - more the GQ, Vice, ABC pieces)

what were prussian blue fans spending their money on before 'the media' told them about prussian blue?

Hitler action figures

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should "the media" just agree to a blanket embargo on news about bad people?

I think you might be being a little willfully obtuse here.
A pair of pre-teen girls singing folky white power songs is different than a bunch of skinheads playing Skrewdriver rip-offs like they have for the past 30 years or so.
Their relationship with their mom and the questions it raises about the rights of parents vs. potential for exploitation are interesting.
When people do strange, new, unusual things - especially abhorrent things - other people like to read about them. So newspapers do stories on them. That's how it works.
The media's job is not to ensure that bad things don't get publicity - and would you really want it to try to do that? I'm really puzzled by your reasoning here.

how many times do I have to say it: the media didn't cover Prussian Blue because they were "bad people", it covered them because they were CUTE LITTLE GIRLS who happened to be portraying themselves as bad people.

x-post

there are tons of way more vital and forward-thinking racist folk combos out there, but the mainstream media keeps focusing on this jailbait crap! it makes me so mad!! >:[

hahahaha

so the media should agree to a blanket embargo on news about little girls?

all I'm sayin is they shouldn't fall for racist parents' stupid PR stunts

When people do strange, new, unusual things - especially abhorrent things - other people like to read about them. So newspapers do stories on them. That's how it works.

where do you draw the line? there are plenty of instances where "strange...especially abhorrent things" do not get covered by the newsmedia for the specific reason that it might exacerbate the problem/encourage others (haha publicity in the Zodiac serial killer case springs to mind)

where's Roger Adultery? He could shed some light onna subject...

there are plenty of instances where "strange...especially abhorrent things" do not get covered by the newsmedia for the specific reason that it might exacerbate the problem/encourage others (haha publicity in the Zodiac serial killer case springs to mind)

-- Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, August 17, 2007 6:04 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

isnt this a case of police withholding information to the newsmedia

I think Roger's busy putting up barbed wire on the Mexican border

uh, Shakey, the Zodiac Killer blackmailing newspapers into printing his ciphers by threatening more violence has nothing to do with your point, wtf

isnt this a case of police withholding information to the newsmedia

well, partly - but that wasn't what I was referring to. serial killer stuff gets withheld in the media all the time for the specific reason that the added publicity may encourage the killer or copycats etc. seeing as how serial killers and neo-nazis share some irrational/psycho characteristics I think the analogy is valid in certain ways.

ya this isn't a police issue at all, when have media ever not covered something because it was too... problematic??

i have on good authority prussian blue promised to invade poland & gas 6 million jews if vice didnt post about them on their blog

how does your argument not extend to say, let's not cover darfur because it might encourage people to see the softer side of genocide?

anything to keep Coco Rosie off the air

multi-xpost

1. "don't fall for this racist parent's stupid PR stunt" is exactly what every article says about them!

2. I don't draw the line. Why should we be drawing lines about how this kinda thing is reported? And where do <i>you</i> draw the line - should people not report about any music that could be interpreted as having an anti-social message?

how does your argument not extend to say, let's not cover darfur because it might encourage people to see the softer side of genocide?

look I'm not making a blanket argument - I don't think one is possible or responsible on either side. I'm sayin in this particular case - where little girls were explicitly being used to garner publicity for the white power movement - that it was irresponsible for so many media outlets to jump on it and give them the publicity they so craved. Its just aiding and abetting. I'm not taking some kind of hardline censorship position.

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Two or three times a day, the 28-year-old insurance agent in Columbia, S.C., turns to a Web site called HappyNews.com.

She often clicks first to a section called "Heroes," which recently featured stories about U.S. troops rescuing two cheetah cubs in Ethiopia and the induction of 12 people into the Hall of Fame for Caring Americans.

"There's so much going on in the world that is so sad," Rodgers said. "You can go anywhere and find depressing news. I'm glad somebody has stepped up and shown there are still good people in the world."

On Dec. 2, The New York Times, Washington Post and Los Angeles Times Web sites led with news that 10 U.S. Marines in Iraq had been killed by a bomb, the deadliest attack against American troops there since August.

HappyNews went with "Emily, the stowaway cat, is coming home," about a Wisconsin tabby that got stuck in a cargo container and wound up in France.

Other lead stories on HappyNews recently included: "Man decks house with synchronized lights," and "Washington grape growers reap record harvest."

we're not talking about the NBC broadcasting the VA Tech shooter video here, or news coverage of teen suicides, or other things that would edge already unstable persons towards dangerous copycat behavior. I think there is a legitimate interest in censoring things like this. But coverage of Prussian Blue is nothing like this, I don't even know why you made the comparison.

1. "don't fall for this racist parent's stupid PR stunt" is exactly what every article says about them!

I don't understand how an article can tell people not to pay attention to something its explicitly drawing attention to.

"don't fall for" is different than "don't pay attention to"

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But coverage of Prussian Blue is nothing like this, I don't even know why you made the comparison.

you don't see any similarities between mentally unstable, antisocial, violence-prone kids and the white power movement?

look I'm not making a blanket argument - I don't think one is possible or responsible on either side. I'm sayin in this particular case - where little girls were explicitly being used to garner publicity for the white power movement - that it was irresponsible for so many media outlets to jump on it and give them the publicity they so craved. Its just aiding and abetting. I'm not taking some kind of hardline censorship position.

It wouldn't be censorship, anyway, unless the gov't was behind it. Choosing not to publicize something in the news is a matter of editorial discretion.

yes. thank you.

there is no danger in publicizing PB.

writing about something isn't simply "publicizing" it, come on

it is when the subject's whole MO is to simply get attention, regardless of whether its negative or positive

Shakey, I take serious issue with the teleology you present that every depiction in the media is endorsement, and that consumption of that media will inevitably replicate that depiction.

You're like a shoddy, second-hand version of Catherine MacKinnon.

I take serious issue with the teleology you present that every depiction in the media is endorsement

not every depiction is endorsement, if you'll look closely that's not what I'm saying. But understanding that white power figures expect and in many ways WANT and NEED to be vilified by the mainstream press is key. For them, depiction is the endgoal, a success in itself. Being publicly lambasted by the "Jew-run media" is a badge of honor to these people.

and that consumption of that media will inevitably replicate that depiction.

I wouldn't say "inevitably" but its hard to avoid the fact that this is the kind of media attention that the white power movement has relied on throughout its existence to gain broader exposure.

I mean, I understand you're only trying to mitigate the influence of something that you see as harmful, but it's that sort of teleology that ultimately implies an elitist, curatorial view of the media -- and implies that the masses are so stupid and can't reason with or interpret media on their own, so someone (like you, presumably?) must do it for them.

I thought they only wanted to live in peace, free of all mud people.

Shakey is right to this extent: news & entertainment media have an obligation to the public. And dealing responsibly with attempts to manipulate the media is part of that obligation.

Prussian Blue are arguably a conscious attempt to manipulate the media - to get people's attention. Therefore, it's reasonable to say that grabbing the story and running with it was an irresponsible media response.

Still, all this ignores the fact that Prussian Blue became celebrities largely due to the internet. They're a meme. Even without much media coverage, I suspect the story would have spread.

Elmo - No, the editors should do it. And they should be smarter than their subjects and should be able to deny them their goals when appropriate.

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if these guys enjoy being hated by jews that doesn't make want to stop hating them dude

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lots of newsworthy shit is based on people whose "whole MO is to simply get attention, regardless of whether its negative or positive." should we stop reporting about terrorists? school shootings? the NRA?

facebook?

nickelback?

just once I'd like to see a news broadcast where a newscaster reams the weatherman for being totally wrong about last week's weather. "Gee Tatiana, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about do you? Did you just take a bunch of classes about how to stand in front of a blue screen?"

-- Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, March 31, 2006 9:08 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

lots of newsworthy shit is based on people whose "whole MO is to simply get attention, regardless of whether its negative or positive." should we stop reporting about terrorists? school shootings? the NRA?

yr being disingenuous here fritz - those things are newsworthy cuz people actually got hurt/died. the media routinely ignores media-seeking activists/terrorist organizations/etc - the commission of the act of violence is what usually brings such groups to the fore. In Prussian Blue's case obviously there's no violence, so what was the draw? CUTE LITTLE GIRLS!

media coverage : attention whores :: shit : flies

seriously how can any editor defend this shit

editor? vice? wut?

I'd probably have to open for them, what with all this publicity they're getting, based on their sadly limited worldview. Which, come to think of it, wouldn't be a far cry from some other people I've shared bills with on the other side of the political spectrum.

-- Take Them Bowling (Roger Fidelity), Sunday, September 17, 2006 1:41 AM (11 months ago) Bookmark Link

how is putting a "no hate here" sign in your window a violation of prussian blue's civil rights?

-- s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, September 17, 2006 1:52 AM (11 months ago) Bookmark Link

Not a direct violation, but certainly approaching Salem / John Birch what-have-you in it's knee jerk scapegoating hysteria. I was referring to the 'petition,' mostly, and the fact that the sign in the window is obviously directed at a specific family, who really just seem to want to mind their business and live in peace. Frankly, a lot of it sounds like bullying. I mean, can't we all just get along?

-- Yasmine Bleath (Roger Fidelity), Sunday, September 17, 2006 1:57 AM (11 months ago) Bookmark Link

amazing.

cripes

so wait, roger fidelity WASNT roger adultery????

i think we're looking at a fight club situation here.

hate wears a mask of innocence & other timeless deceptions

so wait, roger fidelity WASNT roger adultery????

huh, yeah I thought they were the same guy

why are you assuming they aren't? what did i miss here

i dunno look up some of the roger adultery shit from when he got banned... wait maybe im thinking of 'roger fascist'

seriously how can any editor defend this shit

-- Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, August 17, 2007 6:40 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

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editor? vice? wut?

-- gff, Friday, August 17, 2007 6:41 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

The editor of Vice conducted the interview.

which one is the wooden wand racist guy?

shakey it's too bad you probably won't live long enough to celebrate when these little girls die

i don't see anything wrong with the vice article.

didn't click the link, the point was, it's vice? crazy offensive shit is their remit.

hahahaha I have faith my long-livin Jewish genes will prevail... altho seriously really my ire is more appropriately directed at the mom/parents. judging from that documentary clip they're liable to disown her by the time they're 18.

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i don't see anything wrong with the vice article.

it doesn't exactly challenge their views (in fact it doesn't challenge them at all and instead accepts them as part of their "cuteness"), nor does it even explore the angle of being manipulated by their parents which (somewhere upthread) you said was what made them a legitimate story in the first place.

facetious racism is hip because it's so outre and transgressive, plus it's really fun to watch those squares get their hanes all bunched up when we sling ethnic slurs on the stoop, yo

in other news, reading vice magazine makes me feel like i have narcolepzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

vice plays the interview straight-faced for irony.

facetious racism is hip because it's so outre and transgressive, plus it's really fun to watch those squares get their hanes all bunched up when we sling ethnic slurs on the stoop, yo

then you'll love this:

The Canonical List of Overheated ILM Race Relation Threads

hahahaha I have faith my long-livin Jewish genes will prevail... altho seriously really my ire is more appropriately directed at the mom/parents. judging from that documentary clip they're liable to disown her by the time they're 18.

Did the two girls repudiate anti-Semitism as well as racism? If so, I didn't hear it in the clip. I certainly don't expect teenagers making off-the-cuff remarks to methodically list all the reservations they have about the political movement they're linked to. But as a Jewish man, I was certainly listening for them to repudiate anti-Semitism, as well.

Mind you, I'm pleased to hear that they seem to repudiate racism.

Isn't their name a reference to the holocaust denial movement?

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do you really need the editor of vice to come out and tell you that little girls singing skrewdriver songs is fucked up and vile? it's a satirical piece and the whole earnest tone is a joke about puff pieces in music writing. the stuff about the fact that they are nazis making them extra cute is clearly a joke about the whole issue that you're concerned with: nazis using cuteness to get attention... but come on, do you really need someone to interpret vice magazine for you? who's being disingenuous here?

this why 12 yr olds can't vote, y'all

I can't believe you think anyone working at Vice is that smart fritz

i can't believe your pretending to be so dumb, and I have worked for vice

I mean that is some lameass satire if that was the intention - seems to me more like their standard "this will upset those liberal hipsters!" provacateur bullshit more than anything else

I am sorry you have worked for Vice. I will discount your opinion from now on.

Nice knowin ya, schmuck

keep reppin those nazis man

what the fuck is that supposed to mean?

dood yr defending a sympathetic piece on some neo-Nazis in Vice magazine as some kind of high-handed satire? WHAT THE FUCK

FRITZ YOU PROVIDED ILLUMINATING CONTEXT, WTF YOU NAZI-LOVER

shakey u mad XD

dude, you're talking about this: "Is there anything cuter than two identical twin twelve-year-old girls who have a band together? How about if they dress in matching plaid skirts—that ups the cuteness quotient, right? And what if they perform folky versions of classic racist songs by bands like Skrewdriver and Rahowa? Whoa! Now we are heading into the cute danger zone"

You SERIOUSLY can not see the irony there????

http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/onion_news945.jpg
she now works at Vice ... FACT!

that "context" seems like a bunch of dissembling bullshit to me ("we aren't giving them exposure because they're cute - we're COMMENTING on their exposure!" = yeah, right. Given Vice's history of "ironic" racial slurs and weirdo pseudo-rightwing posturing I don't buy it for a minute)

(by the way, writing some record reviews 10 years ago is hardly "working at vice" so don't think i'm an editor there or anything)

dude, like half the staff at Vice is Jewish.

if you really think i'm "repping those nazis" and the vice staff are bunch of bigots, you're off the deep end

its best to ignore Shakey Mo Collier and not give Shakey Mo Collier the message board attention Shakey Mo Collier so clearly craves above everything else

and in doing so they handed the white power movement their latest and greatest symbol/martyr

I continue to take issue with this because they may be (very low level) icons (in the same way that any pop or niche star is an icon for their fans) but they aren't "symbols" and they most certainly aren't "martyrs."

You need to show some kind of actual impact (ie Resistance Records profits doubling, a resurgence in white power beliefs that can be tied to exposure to the girlies, etc.) before you can make any kind of blanket statement about harm caused by the mainstream media in this instance.

The original story/meme was that these little girls had already become stars in the white power world - "HOW WACKY IS THAT????" - it's not like NBC and CNN led to the little girls headlining Nazistock.

Shakey, you're not the only one not really feeling much in the way of irony there.

so you think the writer really believes that little girls become even cuter when they sing nazi songs?

Well, yes. I get the impression that he finds the absurdity sweet and funny.

truth be told, the "audio commentary" on the vice article doesn't do much to clear up the irony waters. But a vice ed fesses up to "race mixing."

Obviously, the interviewer should have challenged those brats on their racist ideologies, exposed their parents as heartless monsters, and ideally, made them cry. Then Shakey would be happy and we could stop this insipid conversation.

I mean what's a music journalist that's not a hard-nosed, no-holds-barred muckraker?

clearly if vice had condemned them the neo-nazi movement would be in shambles

haha

just like when the iraq war ended after dude from godsmack got clowned by some smarmy hipster

haha is this the arthur mag / nicklback thing?

i think he's referring to the pennysaver / pantera interview

yeah, i mean all this stern hand-wringing about 'exposure' and 'publicity' kind of melts into nothing if you actually think about the effect PB have, extensive nationwide wall to wall vice-media coverage (or not) on a) the white power movement or b) racial attitudes in this country

ie zero

really if you want to take a stand on creepy sub rosa racism then dig into 4chan and all that, shit is rife

if you actually think about the effect PB have, extensive nationwide wall to wall vice-media coverage (or not) on a) the white power movement...
ie zero

this is similar to Milo's point up above about showing some kind of clear increase in the power/viability of the white power/neo-nazi movement as a result of PB's media exposure. Obviously hard numbers will be impossible to come by (both because these groups tend to overstate their own importance and because constantly being under legal fire requires them to conceal information about the extent of their activities).

Even so, I think if you take the larger view or how ideologies develop and survive - in a very real way media exposure is like oxygen, it preserves and disseminates the ideology and allows it to survive. Its important to note that ideologies and political movements come and go and die out all the time - and they die from being cut off from that oxygen, from becoming so isolated and disassociated from mainstream dialogue that they are no longer relevant or attractive. As I noted above, Prussian Blue have gotten more media exposure in America than any neo-nazi/white power nutjob since David Duke. They are serving as just another link in the ideological chain that serves to keep the movement in the public eye and thus appear viable and relevant. People who are drawn to racist ideologies can now see them as the most recent and commonly recognized reference point. If ABC and GQ and Vice and whoever else had just ignored them from the outset and not written any pieces at all, that reference point would not be there - that breath of oxygen for the white power ideology would not exist.

anyway I went to lunch and got a haircut, doesn't look like I missed much of anything and we're just going in circles now. I think I'm done with this topic.

hallelujah.

now lets all sing Kumbaya

yr oxygen metaphor goes both ways tho: it also causes things to rust, corrode, combust or otherwise fall part. exposure is no guarantee of survival, sometimes the opposite.

frankly i think you're defending yourself just for the sake of it now; "They are serving as just another link in the ideological chain that serves to keep the movement in the public eye and thus appear viable and relevant" doesn't hold a lot of water -- "cute racist 12 y/old singers" is pathetic and wierd, rather than powerful or convincing. As the public face of a movement, it's a big step down from even David Duke, who I'll remind you, was quickly hounded from his position because of media coverage of what he believed.

okay seriously I was done with this thread but this bit in Vice's wikipedia entry made me ROFL

Although McInnes' views on immigration have generated controversy and accusations of racism, the ridicule of racial hatred and other forms of intolerance have been a cornerstone of the magazine from the beginning. [citation needed]

LOUD rock -- it's too easy!

I thought this had been revived coz of the nekkid photos that supposedly exist now.

You've been in yr spam filter agane!

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vile calumny, I apol.

all growed up

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and they love football

would smash and then claim reports of smashing were vastly overestimated

did roger ever end up opening for them?

prussianbluefan.blogspot.com

bloggin. bloggin real hard ;]

for cheap laffs please scroll down to the bottom of this page on their blog

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Aww, I thought they were going to get out of this scene.

well they're still 16 living with their crazy racist home schooling parents, i wouldn't expect it of them quite yet

HOOS blames the parents

http://downloads.thedaily.com/photos/2011/07/16/071711-news-nazi-twins-1-662w.jpg

Where are they now?

Lamb and Lynx Gaede, the dimpled tween rockers whose Nazi-themed pop band, Prussian Blue, sparked an exuberant media firestorm several years back have grown up — and had a change of heart.

“I’m not a white nationalist anymore,” Lamb told The Daily in an exclusive interview, the twins’ first in five years. “My sister and I are pretty liberal now.”

“Personally, I love diversity,” Lynx seconded. “I’m stoked that we have so many different cultures. I think it’s amazing and it makes me proud of humanity every day that we have so many different places and people.”

Now 19, they both still speak in a disarmingly girlish singsong. Their message, however, was not always so sweet. In 2006, the sisters, who formed the band at the suggestion of White Nationalist leader William Pierce, drew international notoriety with songs like “Hate for Hate: Lamb Near the Lane,” a dreamy folksong cowritten by Lamb and the late David Lane, a member of the violent terrorist splinter cell The Order, who was then serving 190 years in prison for his involvement in the murder of Jewish talk show host Alan Berg in 1984 (he and Lamb were pen pals).

Prussian Blue was never a presence on the pop charts and only played small venues. But for a brief time in the mid-2000s, Lamb and Lynx were seemingly everywhere — “the new face of hate,” as one news program put it. They appeared on “Primetime Live” and in a number of other media oulets, including GQ (where I profiled them in 2006).

Their story even inspired a stage musical, White Noise, which began as a low-budget, off-off-Broadway production before finding a major backer in Whoopi Goldberg and earning some decent reviews in Chicago earlier this year. A Broadway production is reportedly in the planning stages.

The twisted appeal, of course, was the incongruity of seeing a racist, anti-Semitic polemic — complete with smiley-face Hitler T-shirts and onstage Sieg Heil-ing — articulated by these cherubic little girls.

Now, the Gaede twins say they have changed their views and attribute their earlier political pronouncements to youthful naivete. “My sister and I were home-schooled,” Lynx pointed out. “We were these country bumpkins. We spent most of our days up on the hill playing with our goats.”

Lamb agreed. “I was just spouting a lot of knowledge that I had no idea what I was saying,” she said.

lol <3

and further down the article...

But both girls say the hardest part of the whole experience was dealing with the media, which they believe routinely misrepresented them and sensationalized their beliefs. Their time in the limelight subjected them to extraordinary stress, and appears to have contributed to severe health problems for both sisters. Lynx was diagnosed with cancer during her freshman year of high school and doctors removed a large tumor from her shoulder. Then she developed a rare condition called CVS, cyclic vomiting syndrome.

Lamb has struggled as well. She suffers from scoliosis and chronic back pain, as well as lack of appetite and intense emotional stress. During several of our conversations, she burst into tears as she agonized about how to balance her love for her mother with her desire to let the world know that the girls have moved on.

Approximately a year ago, Lamb and Lynx stumbled on a new treatment that they say has done wonders for many of these ailments.

“I have to say, marijuana saved my life,” Lynx told me. “I would probably be dead if I didn’t have it.” She discovered pot while recovering from her cancer treatments. She’d been prescribed morphine and OxyContin, which she quit cold turkey. One day when she was having a bout of nausea, a friend offered her a toke. She was reluctant at first. The girls’ biological father had been “a druggie” when they were young, Lynx said.

But the drug worked wonders, and soon Lynx became one of the first five minors to get a medical marijuana card in Montana. Now Lamb has one, too.

Pot has also helped the twins rekindle the creative impulses they once channeled into their music. They’ve both taken up painting — astrological themes, mostly — and Lynx restores furniture. They hope to enroll in college, and intend to dedicate themselves to making medical marijuana legal in all 50 states.

Meanwhile, they’ll keep growing up. Impressive as their transformation has been, for instance, their views on World War II still bear traces of the Holocaust denial ideology they were taught as children. For instance, asked whether the Holocaust happened, Lynx replied, “I think certain things happened. I think a lot of the stories got misconstrued. I mean, yeah, Hitler wasn’t the best, but Stalin wasn’t, Churchill wasn’t. I disagree with everybody at that time.”

Lamb concurred. “I just think everyone needs to frickin’ get over it,” she said. “That’s what I think.”

baby steps....

Indeed. Rome wasn't built in a day.

cyclic vomiting syndrome

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thats supposed to be a joint