Rolling 2005 Metal Thread

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It has to be done. So, new stuff, stuff that is new to you, stuff you are looking forward to this year, etc, etc. And, ooh, unlike last year, I can totally download mp3s on this computer to my heart's content, so cool links are appreciated.

It's 9:30 A.M. where I am, so I must be listening to Usurper's Cryptobeast at top volume! I dig it. Great riffs! "Kill For Metal" must be a real crowd-pleaser live.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 21 January 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

Anyone got anything on the new Mercenary or Judas Priest (are they still "metal"?)?

Brett Hickman (Bhickman), Friday, 21 January 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

Judas Priest (are they still "metal"?)?

Ummm..what else would they be?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 21 January 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

Not sure in this day and age. I was listening to an Ozzy Osbourne song this morning from about two decades ago and felt that it didn't sound any heavier than Pearl Jam did a decade ago. I figured in this day and age you had to sound like an atomic bomb dropping to be considered metal, perhaps.

Brett Hickman (Bhickman), Friday, 21 January 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

Teh Priest are very much still metal, although the closing track on their new album is 13 1/2 minutes long and is called 'Lochness'. On the 'not jumping the shark' thread I challenged Colin S Barrow's claim for Priest using this as evidence and he laughed at me. I don't think he's heard the track yet. Other than that the record is quite good.

Shoutouts for High On Fire and, although I haven't heard their new one yet, Stinking Lizaveta.

DJ Mencap0))), Friday, 21 January 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

Metal Storm provide a comprehensive forthcoming releases list for extreme/ dark metal:

http://www.metalstorm.ee/bands/new_releases.php?coming=yes
Including confirmed front cover artwork.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 21 January 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

oh man, i want that new katatonia comp BAD. mostly for the dvd action. i want the new amon amarth too.

i second the high on fire love. i love the sound of it. and i wasn't a big fan of surrounded by thieves. i think albini is just getting better with age!

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 21 January 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

what's up with new Kreator, are they still mired in a slump or are they Komeback Killers of the Year

Haibun (Begs2Differ), Friday, 21 January 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

Hey Scott, I listened to the first couple of tracks on the Katatonia burn you sent me and they were great but the rest of the disc is damaged! :-( However, you have successfully whetted my curiosity. :-)

My own nomination for this thread is the new Daft Punk single. (And the High on Fire album, o' course.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 January 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

awww, i'm sorry, ned. blame maria, she burned it for me. i don't know how to do those things. maybe try it on another player? i skipped tru it on our cd boombox and it sounded okay, but i dunno....

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 21 January 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)

Trying to pass the blame on to your wife, what kind of husband are you? ;-) Fret not, my friend -- the point is, I shall definitely now search for them. Also, the tape loop thing was appropriately weird while Anti is sublime, and reminds me that you really need to hear some Raunchy Young Lepers. Everyone does.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 January 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)

It's not '05 obv., but I'm not bored by the Mastodon record anymore. In fact, I might even go so far as to say that it rocks.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 21 January 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

Well done.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 January 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

JPT Scare Band is supposed to have a new one coming this year. A lot of it seems to be up as MP3 on their website. Everything I have from them pretty much rules.

George Smith, Friday, 21 January 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

Hm, and their website?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 January 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

The endless heavy guitar jam, multiplied by ten.

George Smith, Friday, 21 January 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

The endless heavy guitar jam, multiplied by ten.

George Smith, Friday, 21 January 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

"while Anti is sublime"

isn't he though? they don't call him the death-metal Jandek for nothing! (oh wait,i'm the only one who calls him that.)


and ned, try and scam an AMG copy of the upcoming katatonia black sessions comp. all cool album tracks and single b-sides from discouraged ones on and a live dvd!

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 21 January 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

Frank Marino & Mahogany Rush's new live double is worth ear damage. It's given over to his old, old Frank pre-Columbia Records style ("Maxoom," "Child of the Novelty," "Strange Universe") and jazz fusion. Lots of guitar, psychedelic power trio drug rock, Return to Forever-isms if Return to Forever had been a metal band. Long "war" instrumental suite from "Child of the Novelty." Peace, love, bombs going off, songs for America and freedom that sound like wailing crowds and preparations for strategic and tactical bombings. Some Link Wray, Zombies cop, and 50's greaser rock licks, too. Pretty much everything plus the kitchen sink but without lots of endless blooz jams.

Odd, since I had really modest expectations for it.

George Smith, Friday, 21 January 2005 16:56 (twenty years ago)

I liked his last studio album (Eye Of The Storm, I think it was called). I've been trying to get a copy of this without having to pay for it, but I may surrender and cough up the cash soon.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 21 January 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

The new Immolation is good, if you like them. Heavy, grunty, fast, lots of low-end.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 21 January 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

I looked for my copy of Iron Maiden's Brave New World last night and couldn't find it. I actually think I might re-buy it.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 21 January 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

This is so horrible I had to include it, today's example of the LA Times' idea of hard rock coverage. Something precious, oh so precious. Wire copy, AP, inside -- probably ran in a hundred other places because of novelty value, like the Jap guy who marches in place while eating a hundred hotdogs in a few minutes.

When Mommy is a Headbanger

DALLAS - They're housewives, workaholics, PTA members and ... rock stars?

Women fighting to shatter the stay-at-home-mom stereotype and rediscover their youthful voice are forming bands, such as Housewives on Prozac in suburban New York, Frump in Dallas and Placenta in Oakland, Calif.

These moms are rocking the house and the cradle, singing about breast-feeding, exhaustion and making kids do their chores.

"I feel like what we do is remind people about their passion and that sense of importance and that sense of vitality," said Joy Rose, a 47-year-old mother of four who founded Housewives on Prozac in 1997. "Life is really short, and it's important to live colorfully."

Mothers have struggled for identity and fulfillment for decades, growing more exasperated with their increasing career and child-rearing demands, said University of Michigan professor Susan Douglas, who co-authored the book "The Mommy Myth."

She said those feelings may explain the growing number of mom rock bands. (Rose estimated there are about 50 active mom bands across the country, with 20 of them having been formed in the last year.)

"In our cultural common sense, what could be more opposite from the icon of mom than a punk rocker?" Douglas said.

Suzie Riddle, who has three children aged 19, 12 and 6, started Frump in 2001 as a gag for her 40th birthday party. A punk rocker in her youth, then a librarian, Riddle hounded other mothers at her church and her daughters' school until she found three women willing to play along.

At first, they performed five songs, including "Suzie Is A Headbanger" by the Ramones and "We're Really Beat," a song Frump guitarist Frances Peterson wrote to the tune of "We've Got the Beat" by the Go-Go's.

"See the mothers driving down the street, see their makeup melting in the heat, straight from work, the pantyhose are tight, it's take-out tonight," the song begins.

Three years later, the band has grown to five, adding new members as others have moved away. Frump practices every Saturday night and performs about once a month at parties, churches and community events such as the Punky Mamas Christmas Bazaar in Dallas.

The band members even encouraged their daughters to get involved, and the girls formed their own band called Spawn and have played at two gigs with their moms.

"It is the best feeling in the world," said Frump lead guitarist Diane Harris, whose 11-year-old daughter Anna plays drums in Spawn.

Frump is still trying to forge an identity, teetering between being a novelty and a serious band, Riddle said. She'd like to add a second weekly practice and focus on cultivating a unique sound.

But any group that bills itself as an all-mom garage band is going to get a few chuckles, she conceded.

"I am really proud of this, and I'm proud of the attention that it's gotten us," she said. "It's kind of a silly idea, and a lot of people have taken notice."

At the Punky Mamas Bazaar, an audience of mostly middle-aged women and their children clapped and tapped their feet to Frump's music, even getting up to dance to "Twist and Shout." A few young couples on a Saturday evening date watched from the back of a half-full dance hall.

Julie Hougland came with her 6-year-old daughter, her 55-year-old mother and her 35-year-old sister. She said she was surprised by how much fun they had.

"How many venues are there where I can take my daughter and dance?" Hougland said.

Rose hopes the movement soon will catch on commercially as more people see mom bands in concert. Housewives on Prozac has recorded two CDs and a holiday CD single, which is available on Amazon.com.

Several mom bands will converge on New York City throughout May for the fourth annual Mamapalooza festival. The festival, founded by Rose, will feature at least five days of events, including a free outdoor concert and a poetry and jazz night.

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This having been said, the fragment of the song "Pick Up Your Socks" made me laugh. Chuck Eddy to thread. Fly me into NYC and I'll cover Mamapalooza and do a MommyMetal review. Placenta, jeezus. All the best jokes get overtaken by real-life. Too bad no one would know the meaning of "Miltown" anymore.

George Smith, Friday, 21 January 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

i love tsjuder's "desert northern hell." it breaks no new ground, but is a well-done trip through immortal, celtic frost, satyricon, etc.

man, more jpt scare band - excellent. i have to pick up "past is prologue," i didn't even know that was out.

i really didn't like the new mastodon until i found myself walking around humming the riff to "iron claw." which compelled me to download it again. and buy it when i've got some cash.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 21 January 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

My own nomination for this thread is the new Daft Punk single.

That'll do as a spurious segue into mentioning that Earl Shilton, who used to be in Bolt Thrower, has remixed Alter Ego's 'Rocker'. Which is a genius piece of lateral thinking. The mix itself I cannot comment on as yet

DJ Mencap0))), Friday, 21 January 2005 23:50 (twenty years ago)

Teh Priest are very much still metal, although the closing track on their new album is 13 1/2 minutes long and is called 'Lochness'. On the 'not jumping the shark' thread I challenged Colin S Barrow's claim for Priest using this as evidence and he laughed at me. I don't think he's heard the track yet.

-- DJ Mencap0)))

I merely pointed out that a 13 minute metal song about the Loch Ness Monster could only be brilliant. How could it possibly be bad? Even if it were a child banging on a plate for 13 minutes with a guitar solo (even a KK Downing guitar solo) over the top and Rob Halford going 'waaaaaaaaah! Hot rockin'', the fact remains that it would _still_ be a 13 minute metal song about the Loch Ness Monster, and therefore it would _still_ be brilliant.

But if you are right, if the impossible happens, and it turns out to be not brilliant, I promise you you will receive an apology from me sir.

thee music mole, Saturday, 22 January 2005 01:03 (twenty years ago)

Relapse has released three Live From The Relapse Contamination Festival CDs; one each by Bongzilla, Burnt By The Sun and Dysrhythmia. I got all three in the mail today. They're about 25 minutes long, containing each group's entire set (so more than you get on the DVD). Good sound quality, minimal packaging, and worth having, I think. The Bongzilla one seems like an inexplicable choice, especially given that Mastodon, Pig Destroyer and High On Fire also played the festival, but whatever. The Dysrhythmia and BBTS ones are excellent.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 22 January 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

what's up with new Kreator, are they still mired in a slump or are they Komeback Killers of the Year

Enemy of God is great.

Right now I'm nuts over Behemoth's Demigod, which surprised me how catchy it is for a black metal album. "Conquer All" totally rips off Anthrax's "Be All End All", but in a good way.

Also, I can't get enough of the new Cursed album. They start out sounding kind of Converge-y, but then a really cool sludge influence starts to pop in, and the album winds up sounding like early Mastodon. It's the best Canadian metal album I've heard in a while (though I expect the new Strapping Young Lad album to top it in a month or so).

a. begrand (a begrand), Saturday, 22 January 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

The new SYL is pretty good, but it's so over-the-top I can tell it's gonna take three or four listens before I can even make it through without needing a nap and a change of shirt.

Agree about Demigod; my review should be running in the East Bay Express in the next week or so. That guy's vocals sound like a blast furnace.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 22 January 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

The new SYL is pretty good, but it's so over-the-top I can tell it's gonna take three or four listens before I can even make it through without needing a nap and a change of shirt.

"Shitstorm" is pretty killer...that's the only new SYL track I've heard so far.

a. begrand (a begrand), Saturday, 22 January 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)

A Preview of 2005 - Grind & Tech
Article by Smathers - Uranium Music
http://www.uraniummusic.com/features/feature.php?id=26

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 28 January 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

So does anybody have an opinion of Sturmgeist? *Meister Mephisto* strikes me as quite the hearty Walpurgisnacht fest, so far. Though they really should've made the cover look more like a bier stein.

chuck, Friday, 28 January 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

So does anybody have an opinion of Sturmgeist? *Meister Mephisto* strikes me as quite the hearty Walpurgisnacht fest, so far. Though they really should've made the cover look more like a bier stein.

Send a copy. Fast opinions guaranteed.

George Smith, Friday, 28 January 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)

I saw an ANGRA cd in the store yesterday.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 28 January 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

I'm sure they suck now, but Holy Land is my favorite power metal album of all-time that wasn't recorded by Iron Maiden.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 28 January 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

I've only heard two tracks so far, but I'm getting the feeling the new Mercenary album will wind up being one of my favourite albums of the year.

a. begrand (a begrand), Friday, 28 January 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

Quick notes on a couple veterans:

Samael's pretty much off on permanent tangent, but it's interesting. The new one is Rammstein + Egyptian music + the Dimmu Borgir black orchestra thing Samael invented. Pretty much hits the Satanic side of Soft Cell in a couple choice moments. Also remarkably mid-tempo -- some kind of Swiss timing thing.

Napalm Death's THE CODE IS RED...LONG LIVE THE CODE totally rages. Lots of simple hooky riffs at a faster speed than usual, it improves over the last two already good Napalm CDs. Not a bad Jello B. guest spot, either -- ie he does more than warble "yo yo yo" into the mic a couple times.

I also heard most of the new Hypocrisy over the weekend -- with Horgh of Immortal now on drums, it sounds like the shoegazer death metal of The Arrival landing over the tumult of Sons of Northern Darkness pt. II. Pretty powerful and vicious.

Even with the hiring of regional doom manager Joe Preston, can't work up the enthusiasm to listen to the new High on Fire. Well, there, I said it.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Saturday, 29 January 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

the new high on fire is way more metal...i thought preston would bring the doom. its pretty hot none-the-less

ddb (ddb), Saturday, 29 January 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

yeah, you should listen to it, Ian. You might be surprised.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 29 January 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

I agree, good stuff. But I would.

I also heard most of the new Hypocrisy over the weekend -- with Horgh of Immortal now on drums, it sounds like the shoegazer death metal of The Arrival landing over the tumult of Sons of Northern Darkness pt. II. Pretty powerful and vicious.

I am intrigued, very deeply.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 29 January 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

"I am intrigued, very deeply."


But you would be.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 29 January 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

Of course. That is me, and I am love.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 29 January 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)

Napalm Death's THE CODE IS RED...LONG LIVE THE CODE totally rages. Lots of simple hooky riffs at a faster speed than usual, it improves over the last two already good Napalm CDs.

Can't wait to hear this one. Their recent covers album was one of the more underrated CDs from last year.

I'm liking the High on Fire album a lot. Albini has Kensel's drumming sounding monstrous.

a. begrand (a begrand), Saturday, 29 January 2005 21:59 (twenty years ago)

I like the way Albini produces drums.

thee music mole, Saturday, 29 January 2005 22:36 (twenty years ago)

really - high on fire got the joe preston from the whip, not joe preston from thrones. and that's a damn fine thing.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Sunday, 30 January 2005 09:11 (twenty years ago)

i'm digging the blood red throne album i got in the mail. i don't know what's wrong with me. i've got a fever for da blastbeats. i really wanna hear that latest bloodbath album. i think i'm going back in time.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 31 January 2005 02:38 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, the Mercenary's good, if a little samey, and it gets deeper and darker around "Sharpen the Edges." And shortly after that, there's this total crossover Bon Jovi/ Duran Duran sounding thing that I dug.

Samael seems VERY samey, though not always in a bad way.

dr. phil (josh langhoff), Monday, 31 January 2005 05:06 (twenty years ago)

[quoting, of course, a. begrand up above, but not knowing how to do so]

dr. phil (josh langhoff), Monday, 31 January 2005 05:07 (twenty years ago)

I seriously worry that I'm gonna blow my speakers every time I play the new High On Fire album. The drums are THAT loud. And I know, I know, If you seriously worry that you are gonna blow your speakers every time you play the new High On Fire album then you are too old and you probably remember the 60's. But I don't remember the 60's, really! My memory begins right around 1971. Something about the A&P, a first haircut, my big wheel and my dad playing maynard ferguson too loud. which he did often! and he's going to see maynard next week. he already has tickets!

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 31 January 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

Maynard is the Yngwie of jazz.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 31 January 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

The [HoF] drums are THAT loud.

Hmmmphhh, I must have a differently mixed/mastered copy. You couldn't blow your speakers in the Sixties easily. Much bass was usually mastered -out- of the recordings with high pass filtering either when going to tape or on the mastering lathe.

People try to recreate this so much now that there are '60's presets' that hack the bass to psychedelic garage band and Japanese transistor radio levels in digital mastering software.

Does Blue Cheer's "Vincebus Eruptum" have much bass? I just recall it as being loud and screechy. My memories of speaker excursion bass start tuning in around Grand Funk "black album" and Cream Live.

George Smith, Monday, 31 January 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

"make it with me" by paul revere & the raiders has some of the heaviest most distorted bass that i have ever heard on a 60's rock record. true story! turn that song up loud and it sounds fuuuuuuked up.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 31 January 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I liked that, I think. Wasn't it known as "Make It!"? I seem to remember Mark Whatsisname breaking into a screech -- Ma-ma-ma-ma-ma" or something, at one point in it.

I think old time mastering fogeys had to be persuaded at gunpoint not to cut the bottom and balls off rock and roll records. They'd get a rash at the idea of the needle on the lathe cutting too big a groove and the pressings developing a skip.

George Smith, Monday, 31 January 2005 21:59 (twenty years ago)

Ahh, now I remember. That was "Let Me!"

George Smith, Monday, 31 January 2005 22:06 (twenty years ago)

Samael's pretty much off on permanent tangent, but it's interesting. The new one is Rammstein + Egyptian music + the Dimmu Borgir black orchestra thing Samael invented. Pretty much hits the Satanic side of Soft Cell in a couple choice moments. Also remarkably mid-tempo -- some kind of Swiss timing thing.

I'm really enjoying this one. Like Ian said, a cool combination of styles. Can't get enough of that bizarre vocal cadence by Vorph (especially in "Moongate")...makes Tom G. Warrior sound articulate in comparison. Is it a Swiss thing or something?

a. begrand (a begrand), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 08:08 (twenty years ago)

the HoF record is LOUD!!!! (and awesome) esp the DRUMS.


Why didnt Billy Anderson do it? anyone know.

ddb (ddb), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

Is it a Swiss thing or something?

Maybe a Swiss villager thing, but Samael are francophones and Tom G. speaks schwyzertütsch. They'd probably speak english to each other if they met on the ski lift.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

A good thing happened in 2005; Microsoft paid someone to ask me about the Grammies.

"...and of course Darkthrone"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6881422/

But last year I joyfully screamed "Cannibal Corpse!" in Sen. Joe Lieberman's face, so we'll just see how it goes.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

the HoF record is LOUD!!!! (and awesome) esp the DRUMS.

Some recommendations. A heavy metal album that is loud. And the drums, too.

I know if I were in a heavy metal band I'd rush to have the label work up this advertising copy: "The drums are GREAT! Boy, they're loud!" Now, for the songs...

You just know people drop everything and rush to the store when they hear the drums on a metal record are stupendous.

George Smith, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

>You just know people drop everything and rush to the store when they hear the drums on a metal record are stupendous.

I do. Drum sound is extremely important in metal. Look at St. Anger (just don't try to listen to it). A lot of death metal records (Vital Remains' Dechristianize is a good example) would be much better than they are if the drums didn't sound like practice pads.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

You're making things up. Of course, drums are important in hard rock. They're important in everything. Less obliquely, I'm enjoying watching people bend over backward rationalizing joy over the current HoF turd.

George Smith, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

Hey, I really like the new High On Fire album. You don't. That's cool. I find that most of the things you like, I don't like, or I like 'em for entirely different reasons. I disagree with almost every piece of yours I read in the Voice (the only place I encounter your work). Most of 'em read like you go out of your way to find something to dislike about your subject(s). But that doesn't keep me up at night or anything.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)

I read in the Voice (the only place I encounter your work)

Well it looks like we're almost even, then.

Anyway, on the other thread someone pointed me at Aquarius for Lugubrum. I thank them, Aquarius Records had all I needed to know. Belgie death metal, big on carrots, beer and corncob pipes. It's a coin toss whether I send for the most recent CDs. Art looked good but should I wait for a newer one in 2005? Decisions.

George Smith, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 22:10 (twenty years ago)

Pungent Stench - Ampeauty has been out in Europe since last year, but coming here in a few weeks. Great big fat gross slow death metal riffs, and a deliciously distasteful bit of Euro-sleaze exploitation called "Lynndie (She-Wolf of Abu Ghraib)." You can practically smell the excitement.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 23:37 (twenty years ago)

"I'm enjoying watching people bend over backward rationalizing joy over the current HoF turd"

I don't have to bend over backwards. I really enjoy it! And the drums just "sound" really cool to me. And loud as hell! I listen to a lot of metal and hard rock and it's easy to notice when something jumps out at you like that. I'd love to hear what Albini could do with someone like Amon Amarth.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 23:44 (twenty years ago)

it's a pretty easy album to like too. i wouldn't think you would have to try that hard to explain to people why you like it.

and there is an easy explanation for why i say it's so loud: I have to turn the volume up a lot higher on the new Immolation and the new Blood Red Throne to make them as loud as I like loud music to be. I don't have to turn up the volume on the new High On Fire nearly as much to make it as earsplittingly loud . IN FACT, twice I actually had to turn it down because, like I said before, I thought I might break my speakers. Some Cds are louder then other CDs.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 23:56 (twenty years ago)

and a deliciously distasteful bit of Euro-sleaze exploitation called "Lynndie (She-Wolf of Abu Ghraib)." You can practically smell the excitement

I'm for that. Last time out, the Vatican and pedophiles. Lynndie is so equally worthy of anti-iconography, I had to put her photo in "Iraq 'N' Roll." I'm surprised there isn't already a tribute record revolving around her. It would be a fine curio, something with which to menace friends who already think you are somewhat icky.

George Smith, Thursday, 3 February 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

IN FACT, twice I actually had to turn it down because, like I said before, I thought I might break my speakers. Some Cds are louder then other CDs.

Brick wall limiting and/or extreme compression tricks. Opinions differ, often explosively, on whether it makes things better than actually just leaning over and giving the volume nob a twist.

I've gotten so used to new CDs blaring at me straight out of the folder that I set the level back about half from the average ten years ago.

George Smith, Thursday, 3 February 2005 00:09 (twenty years ago)

there is loud and there is loud. i like albini's idea of loud. that nu-metal wall of skree and digital treble that invades my ears like fire ants sounds like shit to me. you know, ross robinson, the master of evil in the red recording methods sounded like that all the way back to his band Detente.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 3 February 2005 00:19 (twenty years ago)

albini is loud and CLEAR. usually. check out some Shellac vinyl. much louder than the average ball of wax, but oh so clear and resounding.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 3 February 2005 00:21 (twenty years ago)

I understand. Difference in ampage accounts for some. Nu-metal bands do a lot of 7-string through Boogie Rectos with heavy mid scoop. By definition, if that's brick wall limited it will get crispy noisy, tough on your endurance and because of the lack of mids, washboardy.

HoF are different, not all of it a consequence of Steve Albini's knob job. They do sound a lot cleaner because the amps are vintage circuits and the EQ hits the heavy guitar sweet spot -- good mid presence. That said, there are lots of Seventies-style hard rock records that sound clearer. Matter of taste, I suppose.

George Smith, Thursday, 3 February 2005 00:31 (twenty years ago)

stuff that is new to you

Was going to start a thread but to obscure and old. Is new to me __ I thought I remembered most of it but didn't: Neil Merryweather and the Space Rangers. Bought at a CD store's going out of business sale in Pasadena yesterday. Only printed in Deutschland!

Hair band stripper metal a little before stripper metal and science-fiction hard rock. "Kryptonite!" Of course, it's no Judas Priest but for a lazy afternoon, pretty good. Neil backed up Lita Ford when no one else thought she was so hot, I think.

George Smith, Thursday, 3 February 2005 01:12 (twenty years ago)

he made records with lynn carey of mama lion and beyond the valley of the dolls vocal fame. i love his solo records. great hard rock/space/guitar stuff. I have 2 or 3 of them.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 3 February 2005 01:17 (twenty years ago)

space rangers is my fave. kryptonite is good too.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 3 February 2005 01:19 (twenty years ago)

i have that word of mouth double album too which is more trad blues-rock with steve miller, musslewhite, and a ton of others. i need the vacuum cleaner album with lynn though. and the first mama lion. and i need that c.k. strong record too. but this is all neither here nor there.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 3 February 2005 01:26 (twenty years ago)

Someone should resurrect the Mama Lion cover with the singer breast-feeding a lion cub. Right away.

In other matters, RPG reissued on Arclight. Supposed to be recommended by Lamb of God or others who wear their T-shirts. I wouldn't have picked LoG dudes for liking RPG, perhaps it is because they invite them to steak barbecues or something, a matey thing. RPG play the same two or three riffs real fast, over and over, to a mostly rock and roll feel. A good idea capitalized on with good execution! Often there are actual hooks and songs, like on something called "Crash Bam Boom," "Early '72" or "20 Year Old Idiot." Comes with a DVD that will remind you of the BunnyBrains home movie DVD.

There was something else on Arclight last year that I liked, too. A Texas trio from the drug jungles of Colombia or something playing Link Wray riffage and homages to Johnny Winter And and Nitzinger. But I can't remember their name.

George Smith, Thursday, 3 February 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

From today's LA Times, metro section:

A Forum performance by ... Lamb of God has been canceled after the venues' owners, the Faithful Central Bible Church, learned that the band formerly went by the name Burn the Priest.

The April 9 show would have been a stop on the band's 43-city tour as one of several supporting acts for Slipknot, the cartoonish band that performs in masks and has songs such as "Pulse of the Maggots" and "Heretic Anthem." As of Wednesday, Slipknot and its Subliminal Verses tour...will go on as scheduled.

Lamb of God's members railed against their exclusion Wednesday. Drummer Chris Adler said in a statement, "The word from the powers that be is that Lamb of God is not the wholesome family fun that the good people of LA deserve."

Marc Little, CEO for the church's business dealings, said that the operation walks a difficult line as a part-time player in the concert business.

"This is a building that is owned by the church, and we are sensitive to our congregation and to our obvious religious beliefs. At the same time, we have to balance that with being a business. This is a band that was formerly known as Burn the Priest, so it's a fair assumption that some of the stuff they are signing may be antithetical to our beliefs."

The Forum has pulled in some major acts in recent years, among them ...Metallica and Linkin Park, whose music might give a pastor pause. But Lamb of God's former name was apparently too religiously hostile to accept.

"The situation in LA can only be described as ridiculous," Adler said. "It's already been a huge waste of energy [bummer] trying to turn this around. The powers that be aren't interested in budging -- or doing their research, apparently [Adler does not clarify why "researching" Lamb of God is germane] -- ad we've never been a band to placate anyone to get our way, smooth things over or make anyone feel better."

[One could also make the case that a name evolution from Burn the Priest to Lamb of God renders it impossible for you to argue convincingly about principles.]

Burn the Priest formed in 1990 at [some university] and changed their stage name to Lamb of God soon after they released their self-titled album. Their follow-up album, "New American Gospel," was released in 2000. It included dark, thrashing songs with titles like "In the Absence of the Sacred" and "The Subtle Arts of Murder and Persuasion."

=========

Actually, if I were a Lamb of God publicist I'd be thrilled. Doing LA is easy but you can neve plan for the gift of a painless public slapdown based on religiosity.

George Smith, Thursday, 3 February 2005 22:36 (twenty years ago)

The "other" album on Arclight was called In For Sin, and it was quite good, but I can't remember the bandname either. The RPG disc bored me, though.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 3 February 2005 22:42 (twenty years ago)

The Great Kat's "Extreme Guitar Shred" DVD, value-priced at $8.00, one thin dollar more than "Outfoxed." Videos of "Zapateado," "Torture Chamber," Castration," "Live in Chicago," "Dominatrix," and "War." Notice a trend? Quotes from Ike and George S. Patton: "Americans love to fite." The American flag, foot fetish, lots of stage blood, tubs, shears, slabs. Ground under spike heel, gimps on stage in Chicago in worship, violin solos, more gimps, bondage wear, a nice-looking rack, screaming, vinyl hot pants, Uncle Sam wear, file footage of corpses dumped into slit trenches, better than the Damageplan video by country miles. Artfully shot. Brilliantly and economically edited.

George Smith, Friday, 4 February 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

Impossible to find biker metal stuff in mid -80's, now available through modernity: 69 Tribe and Neighborhood Texture Jam.

The 69 Tribe 12" single -- originally on Feralette in '84 or something, never seen in most stores -- is discovered on eMusic. "Bikers," a cover of a then unrecorded original by the Neighborhood Texture Jam, easily fits on the first Godz LP, maybe next to "Under the Table." Over the top biker-metal probably done by not-bikers, and I oughtta know. "Doing chicks! Doin' 'ludes! Fuck those chicks and their dudes!" Bikers hangin' out in the bottom of the canyon singin' 'Born to be Wild.' Said to have a Stooges "Raw Power"-like attack, an assessment with which I rarely agree. Except sort of this time -- "Raw Power" if it had been recorded as a well-balanced metal record and with a guitarist who sounded more like an arena-rockstar than James Williamson.

Neighborhood Texture Jam's "Funeral Mountain" also available. Never saw it anywhere except reviewed in Rolling Stone by Robert Palmer who gave it a rave but completely missed the boat on what it sounded like.
Twin guitar hard rock and metal, very classical in orientation, but with a nuts vocalist prone to ranting critically about the south and whatever else was bugging him at the time, like his girlfriend, to whom he professes his "love" which is like a "borax factory" across the "alkaline plain." Some heavy boogie, not suvvern rock-sounding, spazzed-out heavy. Perhaps a Terry Knight Grand Funk-like sound if they had recorded the live "black album" properly and without going for the staticky transistor radio sound. Contains a version of "Bikers" which isn't real similar to 69 Tribe's rendition but equally jacked up.

And the Cherry Red 12" single. Two heavy glam rock slices. Never heard of them but were supposed to be from NYC.

George Smith, Monday, 7 February 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

Wow, George, I've actually got an original copy of that 69 Tribe 12-inch at home; I had no idea what the hell it was until now. I'm pretty sure I found it a decade ago or so in the big 10-for-$1 (or 2-for-$1 or whatever it is) bins at the back of Siren Records in, I think, Doylestown. Weirdly, I'd always somehow classified it with "Cruisin' the Streets" by the Boystown Gang and "I'm in Love with a Rent Boy" by Nonnie and the Onnies as far as "used 12-inch singles I bought even though I never heard of them before because they looked extremely fucking gay" went. Though 69 Tribe (note name) did seem to veer more toward the Skatt Bros end of things; i.e., at least as much metal as disco in their bodily fluids. Maybe I was entirely wrong about the disco part, though. When I get home tonight I'll listen to it.

chuck, Monday, 7 February 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

I think I reviewed the Neighborhood Texture Jam album for AP as a teenager -- the "borax factory" hook hit like a ton of snakes released from Chris D.'s garment bag.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Monday, 7 February 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I'd had 69 Tribe from WLVR-FM at Lehigh in Bethlehem. The cover was as cryptic as the name. Sure, there's a biker but it's done in a kind of Euro-rough trade leather bar kind of style. No way are there standard cues and glyphs to the hard rock HM guitar-slinging audience. "Bikers" is completely ruling highway rock. It's where I got the idea for the "doin 'ludes" line in the Valis review. 69 Tribe is what a band like Valis aspires to be but never gets even close.

I know 69 Tribe got airplay at college radio for that single. Yet one can scarcely find a trace of them in the electronic record.

George Smith, Monday, 7 February 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

i used to play leather nun on my radio show in 1988 at wilkes college in wilkes-barre as long as we are talking about gay bikers and pennsylvania universities.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 7 February 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Ian, it grabs/grabbed the attention. "Old South" probably made them a lot of friends outside of Memphis, too. "You can find the [Confederate] flag ... right next to the swastika...in museums."

George Smith, Monday, 7 February 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)

You went to Wilkes?!? Heck, that was right next door, almost. And I played Leather Nun on the radio, too -- think the "Slow Death" thing and, the live album and when no one was watching, "F.F.A./Primemover" -- all in the same general time frame. Why has no one reissued that stuff?

George Smith, Monday, 7 February 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

ok, so i dug out my 69 tribe 12-inch this morning, and here are my findings: (1) my copy has a mint condition, two page, press release inside!; (2) judging from the price sticker still on the cover, i actually bought the record at princeton record exchange for 99 cents; (3) the "bikers" on the cover may not actually be in the band, since the credit for the photo says it was taken at some biker fest somewhere (sorry, i don't have the record in front of me now); (4) the record was way more rocking than i'd previously thought, since previously i had apparently played it at 33 rpm rather than the correct 45 rpm, which helped a lot; (5) singer's voice is weedier than the guys in the godz or skatt bros or leather nun, but what the heck; (6) assuming my ears are working, there is actually a line in the song about bikers "cruisin' guys" or "dudes" or somebody male like that, so apparently i was right re: gender-preference amiguity.

chuck, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

oh yeah - the b-side of the 12-inch has a ballad on it, and apparently two guys from steve earle's band play on it! and the press release also said the 69 tribe had a hard time getting booked in nashville, thanks to their erratic nature (only one show every 6 months or so) and their reputation for damaging sound systems and stuff. also, it said they had a previous EP, and were working on a full-length album, which i assume never materialized...

really, who "bikers" kinda sounds like to me, by the way, is the angry samoans! (or at least stevie stiletto and the switchblades or somebody like that.)

chuck, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

i'm not sure if boris is considered metal, but they are featured in the subt. metal primer in the wire. just received the promo of feedbacker and it's just great.

stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

Stevie Stilletto -- yer killin' me.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

Who's putting out Feedbacker? I don't love Boris, but I'll always keep an ear open for whatever they're doing.

So, does anybody else think Isis, Mastodon and Lamb of God were all competing for the same bloc of voters in Pazz 'n' Jop? (Hip-hop tokenism - roundly scorned year after year; metal tokenism - alive and well and A-OK.)

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

"Cruisin' dudes" can mean two things, gay or red state literal. 69 Tribe's singer sounds a lot like the guy from Neighborhood Texture Jam, only better produced. NTJ's "Bikers," I can't tell if there are any gay refs in it, too garbled, guitars stamping on the vocals. They were college boys and lyrics that jump out are about having a chain fight and doing speed, which is pretty standard B-movie biker MC as opposed to Kenneth Anger "bikers." Both have the same whang bar guitar strings draggin' on pickup cover sound effect sounding like a 'Holley' Shportsta revvin' thing.

I do hear an Angry Samoans "Inside My Brain" thing. Maybe that's another reason why I like it so much.

My thinking is the B-side of 69 Tribe was a studio track laying around that was made for a local movie or sumpin' and they needed filler. Really, the Feralette singles are a mystery to me. I should make you a CD copy of some of that stuff, particularly Cherry Red.
How did an allegedly NYC-based all girl heavy glam band wind up on a primarily southern boutique label as a single offering?

George Smith, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

Slunt's "Get a Load of This:" "Waiting for You," way heavy Joan Jett & the Blackhearts mimicry, "OK OK" -- AC/DC cop (good). Record-ending metal tune sung by silly girls about their cat, which is allegedly a "carpet-munching" fag.

Punget Stench's "Ampeuty" comes with arty CD pamphlet containing photos and drawings of radically photoshopped of beautiful women in scanty underwear, often shot bottoms up, all with legs, arms, hands and feet missing in some way. Their is truth in their advertising.

George Smith, Thursday, 10 February 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)

In response to Phil's question about Pazz and Jop metal voting:

Lamb of God got virtually no support this year -- it only showed up on 4 ballots and placed at #362. By my count, at least 9 metal/extreme records placed higher, so that record was a total non-factor.

I think the only records that showed up on 5 or more ballots were:

Mastodon (#60) 218 pts/ 21 ballots
Comets on Fire (#63) 203 pts/ 20 ballots
Isis (#126) 103 pts/ 12 ballots
Converge (#156) 86 pts/ 7 ballots
Wolf Eyes (#231) 61 pts/ 8 ballots

Converge actually generated the most enthusiastic support from its voters (or, rather, had the highest points/ballot average). And with Isis and Mastodon, it was pretty much a case of metal people voting for their own with some additional votes from folks like Greg Kot (who always places Isis in his top-10s at the Chicago Tribune) and Jonathan Cohen. Also, half of the people who voted for Isis also voted for Mastodon, so the whole idea of tokenism is pretty moot. As you alluded to, Phil, it's just that the voting bloc is very small.

ng, Friday, 11 February 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

ha ha; if anybody knows where this guy can get hard-to-find albums in stairway to hell, maybe they should email him. (I think I know which three cassettes he's missing, though -- the motorhome and rocket from the tombs ones barely ever actually existed in the first place, and i haven't seen *all guitars!* for decades almost...)

>From: Pieter [mailto:Pieter@platenworm.nl]
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 7:56 PM
To: editor@villagevoice.com
Subject: LETTER TO THE EDITOR


Hi,

I'm collecting all the records of Chuck Eddy's Stairway To Hell book. And I have a question for Chuck Eddy. Can you help me to the music of some impossible to find records? I'm almost there. Just missing about 8 records of which 3 are cassettes. It would be great if you can help with some of these. Hope to hear from you.

Cheers, Pieter

chuck, Monday, 14 February 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

And when he's done the disturbed Dutchman comes for your bloody head. "Now my collection is truly complete!" Chop chop.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

I've started a metal-only MP3 blog here. First entry, in honor of Valentine's Day, is Pig Destroyer's "Carrion Fairy."

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

I'm loving Anthrax - We've Come For You All. Husband has played it on high rotation for 6 months (and by high rotation I mean in the car, on the home stereo, out in the garage...everywhere). After being attacked from all sides, it finally struck me the other weekend that it was a pretty damn good album. esp Cadillac Rock Box.

As for Judas Priest, I'm not sold on it yet. 'Revolution' really, really turned me off. Chorus (vis. the whole song) sounds like T-Rex, which is just too weird. It's so berloody repetitive I can't get past being annoyed by it.

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 14 February 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

Recommended if you like Pig Destroyer:

(from M'et al-M'aniacs July 2005)

BRODEQUIN
METHODS OF EXECUTION
UNMATCHED BRUTALITY RECORDS
Named modestly after an archaic type of half-boot, this Tennessee grind trio on its third outing kicks up a continuous 30-minute cloud of pollution with continuous blast beats, braying stabbed pig vocals, and dissonant disorienting guitars. By this point in the story of extreme music, fucked-up gore-grind is such a formula that the intensity has faded, but Brodequin distinguishes itself with constant intensity and a cool foggy production perforated by screeching guitar squeals and the occasional drum thunk. The Brodequin body falls far from the antiseptic side of the grindcore operating table, rolling away from the sharp edge of the scalpel towards the dark corner where the bloodstains and the rusty nails lay.
Their execution may be flawless, but the CD seems permeated with filth – a messy psychedelic side that extreme Southern bands have explored from F.U.C.T. to Soilent Green. Even the bonus video for the bizarrely catchy “Slaves to the Pyre” is hypnotic, and there’s nothing to see but two bald guys and a dude with a baggy neck getting sweaty in a room with trash bags taped to the walls. The mind-altering title track, the final song on the album, weighs in at seven minutes of splashing sound effects and slowed vocals over a bottom sea of death metal double bass drumming. After mastering the blasting core qualities of their sonic exhumation, maybe Brodequin can up the dose next time and point the way towards more of these fresh mental hazards. Bands like Isis and Neurosis could use the unsettling scare of something like this.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Monday, 14 February 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

And NOW...presenting the eight hardest to find albums in Stairway to Hell!:

>>Hi Chuck,

Thanks for getting back to me. Well it started as a joke. I thought your book was so funny and since I'm always fighting with myself not to become a terrible record collector but most of the times I can't help myself. Your book sounded like a great idea to collect while keeping it fun. But as always those things go somewhere you wanna finnish it and I'm at that stage right now. The stuff I'm missing is (no, not the Rocket from The Tombs because I have a great bootleg from about 10 years ago that has all the stuff that was also on the tape, I think):
241
Destiny, Dick And The Highway Kings
Brutality
Destination


375
Goddo
Goddo
Fatcat
I'll probably find this some where

447
Gone
Gone II - But Never Too Gone
SST
I'll probably find this also some where

289
Half-Life
Half-Life
Quadruped Cassette


182
Human Zoo
Human Zoo
Hospital


272
Left
Its The World
Bona Fide


469
Motorhome
Double Live...Bozo!
Soso Cassette


411
V/a
All Guitars
Tellus Cassette

It would be great if you can help me with some of these because then I can finally listen to your book one by one. And that's gonna be something else.

Cheers, Pieter

chuck, Tuesday, 15 February 2005 00:34 (twenty years ago)

I have the Dick Destiny and the Goddo!! But I don't want to sell 'em. Does he just want a tape of them?

I remember I asked you Chuck a long time ago if you still had that Motorhome thing. I asked Phil Durr once and he said he'd try to get me a copy but I never saw him again. Maybe Mike Rubin has one??

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 00:44 (twenty years ago)

Mike Rubin would be the obvious person....And maybe, yeah, you should email Pieter and asks if he wants a tape (assuming George doesn't have any actual copies of *Destination* still lying around. I don't have *any* of those eight albums he asks about, by the way.) (I can't believe I got rid of the Left one. I think they also had an EP called *Last Train to Hagerstown* or something, and they are both long gone.)

chuck, Tuesday, 15 February 2005 00:50 (twenty years ago)

That Human Zoo EP was also great, and I'm sure I will never see another copy. (If anybody wonders, I was so sick of hearing loud guitars by the time I finished that damn book that I cleared most of those albums out of the house. And yes, I lived to regret it.)

chuck, Tuesday, 15 February 2005 00:51 (twenty years ago)

I should buy that Gone lp for a buck sometime. I still don't think I've ever heard them! But I do have the DC3 record.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 00:53 (twenty years ago)

Uranium Music: A Preview of 2005 - Death Metal
Article by Smathers // Posted on 02.12.05
http://www.uraniummusic.com/features/feature.php?id=27

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 00:55 (twenty years ago)

I don't have any copies of the Dick Destiny albums to spare, just mine in duplicate, analog copies on tape and digital transfers. However, I do see "Arrogance" and "Brutality" come up for sale on the Net rather regularly. Slippytown Records had a copy of "Brutality" about a month ago. "Arrogance" is more common.

I've never seen any remnants of The Left on the Net. They were on a Bona Fide Records, a Pennsy indie. I've asked around about it in the past and Bona Fide is apparently a curse word in collector circles because it went out of business owing people records and money. But isn't that how everyone goes out of business?

George Smith, Tuesday, 15 February 2005 00:56 (twenty years ago)

I still keep a fistful of mannequin eyes in my medicine chest, souvenirs from a Human Zoo show. The singer of that horrible band did a great writhing Iggy thing that involved simulated masturbation and real ejaculation using one of those Hawaiian Tropic bananas filled with suntan grease.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 04:23 (twenty years ago)

As for Judas Priest, I'm not sold on it yet. 'Revolution' really, really turned me off. Chorus (vis. the whole song) sounds like T-Rex, which is just too weird. It's so berloody repetitive I can't get past being annoyed by it.

The album's considerably better, for the most part..."Hellrider" and "Worth Fighting For" are the best songs they've done in a very long time. That said, "Lochness" is the worst song thay've done in a very long time.

a. begrand (a begrand), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 09:41 (twenty years ago)

Human Zoo revival! In brief, everything you wanted to know about Human Zoo but were afraid to ask ... including e-mail contact and some streamed muzik. All your Google fu base belong to me.

http://williamweber.com/HumanZoo.html

http://williamweber.com/WGWDisco.html

George Smith, Tuesday, 15 February 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

'Revolution' really, really turned me off. Chorus (vis. the whole song) sounds like T-Rex,

It's also a dead ringer for "Pounding Metal," Exciter anthem circa 1983.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

Who's putting out Feedbacker? I don't love Boris, but I'll always keep an ear open for whatever they're doing.

Sorry for late reply: Conspiracyrecords.

stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

Quotable Ted Nugent, on making performance of metal more lively:

"But when I come to Terre Haute, I actually have a bunch of military and law enforcement specialists that, whenever I'm in that area, I shoot machine guns [with]. So that's why my performances are a little more lively. I think the more machine guns you shoot before the concert, the better your music."

George Smith, Tuesday, 15 February 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

Ajattara? Nobody's listening to the third album?

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

I actually wrote the intro to this before ng's pazz&jop post above:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0507,eddy,61067,22.html

chuck, Tuesday, 15 February 2005 22:01 (twenty years ago)

"..not entirely horrible [extreme] metal albums..." Ha-ha. Define "dialectical metal." Is that metal in a variety of dialects or metal of logical argumentation?

George Smith, Tuesday, 15 February 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)

Both, I think! (It's the band's goofy self-description from their press release, and I couldn't resist -- They pretend to be "inspired by famous philosophers" in both Spanish *and* English.) (Though I actually do like their frequently gorgeous "hey let's split the difference between Aryan Opeth ambient-doom gloom and pagan Catholic Mexican La Castaneda goth en espanol" concept myself.)

chuck, Tuesday, 15 February 2005 22:19 (twenty years ago)

I'm late to the party: "Why Conquer?" on the Ludicra album sounds good to me. Mostly, the intros and outros where the gal kind of sings and the band gets into a classic groove, not so much with the splices of black metal in the middle section. So why doesn't she actually sing more? It's a rhetorical question, I suppose. The rest is Americans lost in the Hurtgen Forest and being shelled by 88's black metal with some pretty parts here and there while the artillerymen reload, I guess.

And whatever happened to 16? Did anyone like them? I have some pretty roasted-sounding things from "Scott Case," "Blaze of Incompetence" and "Drop Out." Let me guess: They were considered mediocre derivative swine and didn't network enough to sustain.

George Smith, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)

I should buy that Gone lp for a buck sometime. I still don't think I've ever heard them! But I do have the DC3 record.

I have both Gones (assuming they stopped there?) but theyve sorta been on loan to a friend for the the past 13 years along with a whole bunch of 2nd-rate SST. Not *bad* stuff actually, and NOT ONE BIT like the awful DC3. Quite a funky power trio, who really play well together as a unit, but the material is just not all that memorable and its not quite a jagged as I (for one) would like. But hey, whatever lights yer pipe...

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

There was a second lineup of Gone (Ginn plus a different rhythm section) that put out two or three CDs. I've never heard any of them.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

i saw gone and painted willie open up for black flag once and i thought both openers were pretty boring. but i was 17, so maybe i would like that stuff more now.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 19:23 (twenty years ago)

I think Gone - Ginn were the Scorn Flakes less the original guitar player. Scorn Flakes put out one album and opened for Flipper in Trenton. Scorn Flakes were better at that point -- lound power trio art-wank, Flipper being mostly interested in sitting on the stage and hurling pitchers of beer into the audience.

George Smith, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

A lot of the '90s Gone CDs are Ginn jamming with a drum machine. A lot of SST's 90s output is Ginn jamming with a drum machine. Ginn jamming is still Ginn jamming, I'll listen to that.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

New Saturnus Track

scandinavianmetal.info alert to a new download mp3 track [Murky Waters] from Denmark's Saturnus: New Saturnus track!

Danish melodic doomsters Saturnus have made a track from the upcoming available to download at their site.
The song is called "Murky Waters" and may be downloaded from this link.

I found this song to be really atmospheric and beautiful, finally some new stuff from this band.
Saturnus last release was in 1999.

Saturnus are aiming to record the album with producer Flemming Rasmussen [ex Metallica producer] and are currently looking for the right label deal.

Saturnus have been compared to Denmark's answer to My Dying Bride, this new track also has that sublime churning atmospheric guitar sound of Katatonia or Opeth. Massive arcs of stretched out glacial guitar work, this A + material.

Official website: Saturnus

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 21:21 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for the biker update, George, and pdf's news on the live Relapse showties and everybody else's stuff. First metal review I've seen in the Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/19/arts/music/19fire.html

don, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)

"These are not songs about sex or drugs or music, and Mr. Pike didn't talk between them. They are fragments of some epic fantasy vision that he has crafted into performable catharsis."

Kind of similar to the Times review of one of their shows a year or two ago. Relapse sent it around in the press pack.

"...glass ships of fear, marauder's path."

"...Deity's crotch, scary crag..."

Too easy a punching bag.

I've been compiling a listener's guide to stoner rock and while there's a lot of sub-mediocre bands in the genre, there are also quite a few acts with LPs that were better than anything HoF has done.

Southern biker rock-wise, I was really suprised by Dixie Witch. This isn't new but there are two simply fine numbers/performances on their first album. "Into the Sun" and a cover of the James Gang's "The Bomber" in its entirety. It really invokes the imagery of the "the closet queen" and the leather jacket guys in shades looking out over the Z-bars.


George Smith, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

For thee benefit of Mr. Pike. I'll have to check Dixie Witch (ever heard White Witch? I don't remember them too well, but Bangs ranked on 'em, I think, back when, or just before he started prowlin' 'round down hyar). Also,"All Things Considered" (the weekend edition, I think)recently did a fairly lengthy-for-them feature on Joy Rose and Mamapalooza (the Housewives on Prozac excerpts sounded pretty good). Probably still in the npr.org archive.

don, Wednesday, 23 February 2005 00:31 (twenty years ago)

(ever heard White Witch? I don't remember them too well, but Bangs ranked on 'em, I think, back when, or just before he started prowlin' 'round down hyar).

Yeah, the all "white" album with the gold-embossed figure is the one I liked. Ron Goedert! He was ortho-gone-al. True story: The White Witch reissue would have been my first review in the Voice a few years ago, except I -lost- it. I had tossed something off and sent it to Chuck. And he wanted to run it but had misplaced his copy, too, and I could no longer find mine. Gone is a mass erasure. Next!

I'd love to see figures on how many CDs of Frump or the Housewives on Prozac sell. It started in the Wall Street Journal, was identikit copied by AP -- which didn't do as good a job -- and is winding up in all the venues where you -know- the readers or listeners just view it as a man-bites-dog thing or novelty.

Now I liked the Frump MP3's -- even truncated as they are, boo [!] --
but the value of it as placed by the "mommies who headbang" stories for people who'd never be caught dead listening to hard or heavy rock is just irritating beyond a certain and very low point of exposure. You can just imagine bands like Evil Beaver, AC/D-She or Cheap Chick saying to themselves, "Why can't we ever have a slice of this pie?" Or the hundreds, maybe thousands, of other women playing in rock bands who now have kids. [The Angry Amputees!]

Not that it matter much in the long run. I can't imagine a recommendation as good stuff in the Wall Street Journal gets 'em running to the record stores or clamoring on-line for more.

George Smith, Wednesday, 23 February 2005 01:21 (twenty years ago)

I can't remember what Bangs said about the music, but he zoomed in on one of the musos, the bass player or something, in his whitch paint and spooky gauzy shirt (mebbe a way to get that gig at my junior college: close enough to that glam stuff, but not too close, with the shroomy/injun connotations us manly hippiebillies could identify with). Bangs bid us behold this guy as the Eternal Generic Muso, forever jumping on the trendmobile to go hoe (and ho);
who could have been seen "sullen and spaced and spaced out behind a blues guitar" a couple of years previously (or at that very moment!LB trying to will the sub-Fillmore boogie band Brits out of existence, vainly). Or in a skinny tie and two-buttin suit on the cover of an Artonauts album ten in '62, etc. Maybe the "All Things Considered" soundsips will get some of my fellow mommmyheads checking and Joy & co.; got me wanting to, for sure.(Still need to get some One Foot In The Grave, too; now more than ever.)

don, Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:18 (twenty years ago)

Xpost for Don: Ben Ratliff writes about metal in the NY Times often enough. He reviewed the last Mastodon record and has written several pieces on Isis...

ng, Wednesday, 23 February 2005 04:04 (twenty years ago)

Thanks, I'll look those up. That should have been "Astronauts," a Ventures-type band, I think (among other typos).

don, Wednesday, 23 February 2005 04:27 (twenty years ago)

the bass player or something, in his whitch paint and spooky gauzy shirt (mebbe a way to get that gig at my junior college: close enough to that glam stuff, but not too close, with the shroomy/injun connotations us manly hippiebillies could identify with). Bangs bid us behold this guy as the Eternal Generic Muso, forever jumping on the trendmobile to go hoe (and ho);

Yep, that'd be "Spiritual Greeting" which also had strong Christian overtones. Also on Capricorn, certified ticket into the heart of the south. Avoid the self-titled album.

George Smith, Wednesday, 23 February 2005 16:47 (twenty years ago)

I essentially agree with this although Chris Jericho is always going to be a liability. Thought it sounded like a basic Stuck Mojo record minus "Bones." If you're going to play the pro wrestling card, you have to be prepared to always be taken for an idiot. And whatever happened to Diamond Dallas Page? I thought he was Rich Ward's dude at one point. Just not famous enough, I guess.

Fozzy's 'All That Remains."

George Smith, Wednesday, 23 February 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

Prosthetic Cunt!!

mattypoo, Monday, 28 February 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)

you wot?

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 00:59 (twenty years ago)

Got the new Judas Priest today, in this week's hot format, DualDisc (CD on one side, DVD on the other). Watched a little bit of the DVD, which is interviews with the band talking about how happy they are to be together again interspersed with live footage of old songs (cut up, unfortunately). The album's pretty damn rockin'.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

Some good recent hard rockin' stuff here:

http://dev.villagevoice.com/music/0511,eddy,62065,22.html

other recent metal (and/or metallish I've been liking of late:

ACID MOTHERS TEMPLE Born to Be Wild in the U.S.A. reissue
AMARAN Pristine in Bondgae
AT WAR WITH SELF Torn Between Dimensions
CALLISTO True Nature Unfolds
DARK TRANQUILITY Character
FRANTIC BLEEP The Sense Apparatus
HUMAN ZOO Zoophilia reissue
MERCENARY Eleven Dreams
NOVEMBERS DOOM The Pale Haunt Departure
PLACE OF SKULLS Place of Skulls EP
RISING MOON They Are As Us
SEARING MEADOW Corroding From the Inside
THE SOUNDTRACK OF OUR LIVES Origin, Vol. 1
SUBARACHNOID SPACE The Red Veil
WOLF EYES Fuck Pete Larsen reissue
YYRKOON Occult Medicine

xhuxk, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

Got the new Judas Priest today, in this week's hot format, DualDisc (CD on one side, DVD on the other). Watched a little bit of the DVD, which is interviews with the band talking about how happy they are to be together again interspersed with live footage of old songs (cut up, unfortunately). The album's pretty damn rockin'.
-- pdf

Ugh that damn dual CD is a bitch. CD side only plays on some CD players, DVD side so far plays on nothing.

moley, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

Hey, I mastered "Fuck the War." First sonicly decent (as in faithful to the old vinyl according to Metal Mike) remaster of "Gas Chamber" on CD. And I'm on the radio bit at the end. How's the EP look?

YYRKOON Occult Medicine LOVE for Cirith Ungol fans take note of Moorcook confluence.

George Smith, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 21:36 (twenty years ago)

Finally bought Enslaved's Isa today. Haven't listened to it yet, but the cover sure is purty. Bought Molly Hatchet's Greatest Hits and The Very Best Of Montrose, too, and three Wayne Shorter albums: Night Dreamer, Adam's Apple, and The All-Seeing Eye.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 22:59 (twenty years ago)

this dude put me up on yyrkoon - that's pretty good stuff. same guy also uncovered the SHOCKING mars volta-racer x connection.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 01:36 (twenty years ago)

Ugh that damn dual CD is a bitch. CD side only plays on some CD players, DVD side so far plays on nothing

Husband returned his in disgust because it was so tempermental. Got the regular version instead. It's growing on me a lot, I hated "Revolution" but I like "Angel of Death" and "Locness"

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 03:32 (twenty years ago)

I'm quite smitten with the first eight tracks of the Priest album. "Lochness" is awful, but sort of endearing.

The special two-disc version of the album is pretty snazzy. The DVD's excellent, though I still wish it had the full concert like what was originally promised past fall.

The new Strapping Young Lad album is loads of goofy fun. Phenomenal production.

a. begrand (a begrand), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 05:44 (twenty years ago)

Thumbs down on new Priest CD. Perfectly acceptable if you want superbly produced sub-mediocre Priest-like band. That means equiv to Jag Panzer or Jaguar or so & so with Halford's premium vocal. Listenable in an excellent way but you're not going to come back to it six months from now.

Much more worthy but NOT if you're a rigid metal purist:

Eyeball Skeleton's #1 == fine Seventies-derived hard rock and boogie with nine year-old kids singing the songs. Not really cute, I thought I would hate this, but it conveys honest raunch. Even better, it furnishes the ridiculous element in heavy rolling hard rock while still focused on songs and grooving beats.

George Smith, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 08:39 (twenty years ago)

eyeball skeleton, it is generally known, rules.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 08:50 (twenty years ago)

would anyone be willing to make me a metal 2005 (or 2004 even) cdr? i am in dire need. mullygrubber@geemail

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 09:02 (twenty years ago)

Someone make mully a metal CD or he'll make me do it.

moley, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 09:35 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I love that Eyeball Skeleton EP/LP whatever you wanna call it, too. Their lyrics are like the Cramps only funnier (which is to say, actually funny, unlike the Cramps, I guess.) They're in Eddytor's Dozen next week (along w/ other hard rocking stuff unmentioned above.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

i'm probably the only person who will give a shout-out to the new primordial album, so here it is. the first track is one of the best songs i've heards all year.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

Just got the new Napalm Death in the mail. Haven't listened to it yet. And after having listened to Isa, gotta say I don't get the love. Below The Lights is much better. And Khold's last album is better than both - I put a track from it on my blog today.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

The new Meshuggah album has leaked. And I am very surprised at how safe it sounds.

It's faster than Nothing, but whereas that album lumbered along menacingly (I loved those long, drawn-out notes), and the I EP combined speed and sludge brilliantly, Catch 33 merely sleepwalks, never wavering from the same tempo. It's like a Porsche 911 in neutral...it's good and all, but kind of a waste.

I guess I'd give it a mildly disappointed thumbs-up. After the I EP, I was hoping for so much more.

a. begrand (a begrand), Thursday, 17 March 2005 09:09 (twenty years ago)

And after having listened to Isa, gotta say I don't get the love. Below The Lights is much better.

seconded. i'm still trying to hear the alleged shoegaziness.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Thursday, 17 March 2005 09:22 (twenty years ago)

And Khold's last album is better than both - I put a track from it on my blog today.

Cool... but where exactly is yer blog?

New Jesu has some great moments, but on the whole is a bit interminable. And I've said this before, but it sounds a lot like Codeine in places.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 17 March 2005 09:27 (twenty years ago)

http://killformetal.blogspot.com

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 17 March 2005 12:03 (twenty years ago)

"Helping corny indie fuxx get their metal on since 2005"

Oh shit, you saw me coming didn't you?

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 17 March 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)

YYRKOON Occult Medicine LOVE for Cirith Ungol fans take note of Moorcook confluence

I was noticing that. There a band called the Grey Mouser yet?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 March 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

Hmm, there must be although maybe not in metal-land. To faggy sounding as opposed to something like ... "YYRKOON!" BOC started the whole thing by employing Moorcock as a lyricist and writing the song "Black Blade," one of their corniest and cheesiest tunes. I always laughed when I heard the "voice" of Stormbringer.

Not much chance either, I think, of Jherek Carnelian showing up as a band name.

George Smith, Thursday, 17 March 2005 15:55 (twenty years ago)

Ozzfest 2004 lineup & tour dates...
Main stage: Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Killswitch Engage, Shadows Fall, Black Label Society
Second stage: Rob Zombie, As I Lay Dying, Mastodon, The Haunted, In Flames, Arch Enemy, The Black Dahlia Murder, Bury Your Dead, Soilwork, Trivium, It Dies Today, A Dozen Furies (they were the ones who won Ozzy 'n' Sharon's game show)

Jul. 15 - Boston, MA - Tweeter Center
Jul. 17 - Hartford, CT - Meadows
Jul. 19 - Camden, NJ - Tweeter Waterfront
Jul. 21 - Buffalo, NY - Darien Lakes
Jul. 23 - Pittsburgh, PA - Post Gazette
Jul. 24 - Washington, DC - Nissan
Jul. 26 - New York, NY - PNC
Jul. 30 - Chicago, IL - Tweeter Center
Jul. 31 - Indianapolis, IN - Verizon Wireless Music Center
Aug. 02 - Columbus, OH - Germain Amphitheatre
Aug. 04 - Detroit, MI - DTE Energy Music Theatre
Aug. 06 - East Troy, WI - Alpine Valley
Aug. 07 - Minneapolis, MN - Floatrite Park
Aug. 11 - Seattle, WA - White River
Aug. 13 - San Francisco, CA - Shoreline Amphitheatre
Aug. 14 - Sacramento, CA - Sleep Train
Aug. 16 - Salt Lake City, UT - USANA Pavilion
Aug. 18 - Phoenix, AZ - Cricket
Aug. 20 - Los Angeles, CA - Hyundai Pavilion at Glen Helen
Aug. 23 - Albuquerque, NM - Journal Pavilion
Aug. 25 - Dallas, TX - Smirnoff
Aug. 27 - Houston, TX - Cynthia J. Woods Pavilion
Aug. 28 - San Antonio, TX - Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre
Aug. 31 - Nashville, TN - Starwood Amphitheatre
Sep. 02 - Charlotte, NC - Verizon
Sep. 04 - West Palm Beach - Sound Advice

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 17 March 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

Woah! Really interesting line-up. The website lists Killswitch on the second stage with a "mystery" guest sliding on to the first. Any thoughts on who that might be?

ng, Thursday, 17 March 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

anthrax? they showed up as a main stager in pretty much every pre-announcement rumor.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 17 March 2005 22:01 (twenty years ago)

No idea about the mystery headliner. The one thing that does interest me and makes me seriously consider buying a ticket is that Bruce Dickinson has stated that Maiden's entire set will be drawn from their first four albums (that's Iron Maiden, Killers, The Number Of The Beast and Piece Of Mind, for those playing along at home).

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 17 March 2005 22:28 (twenty years ago)

what would be even better is if they brought back paul di'anno to sing the songs from the first two albums!

fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 17 March 2005 22:33 (twenty years ago)

Iron Maiden's trying to single-handedly boost the "I" section to "S" section status. 76 days into the year and I've got a best-of, a 2xCD B-sides collection, a 2xCD collection of early live shows from 79-82, and a 2xDVD including a (nearly real time) early history of the band along with a short documentary on cardboard guitars and a club gig with Dianno circa 79. Holy smoke. Never mind Ozzfest or you the Maiden fan's chance to fly with Bruce at the helm from London to a Maiden gig in Iceland. (flight 666, they call it)

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Friday, 18 March 2005 04:29 (twenty years ago)

76 days into the year and I've got a best-of, a 2xCD B-sides collection, a 2xCD collection of early live shows from 79-82, and a 2xDVD including a (nearly real time) early history of the band along with a short documentary on cardboard guitars and a club gig with Dianno circa 79. Holy smoke.

Not only that, but a Dance of Death tour double live album, and Part Two of the History of Iron Maiden dvd deries, which will include the long-awaited dvd debut of Live After Death, both due out this fall.

The Volume One dvd is absolutely phenomenal. They've raised the bar as far as dvd retrospectives go...the live footage is unreal, and the documentary is incredibly well-made, rounding up practically every single person who played in the band (and there were a lot).

a. begrand (a begrand), Friday, 18 March 2005 04:35 (twenty years ago)


>They're in Eddytor's Dozen next week (along w/ other hard rocking stuff unmentioned above.) <

ta da:


http://villagevoice.com/music/0512,eddy,62289,22.html

xhuxk, Tuesday, 22 March 2005 00:25 (twenty years ago)

And after having listened to Isa, gotta say I don't get the love. Below The Lights is much better.

Keep in mind you're listening for the sound of a commercial breakthrough by a long-laboring visionary band. This is love thy neighbor pedestrian love, not screwing on a pile of discarded office furniture on spring street love.

seconded. i'm still trying to hear the alleged shoegaziness.

??? Isa (and M83) look longer at more shoes than anything in 10 years, donnit?

I wish Sharon paid At the Gates to reform and ditched a half-dozen of the other preposition metallers on that bill. Ozzfest looks puny by last year's mammoth standards, especially considering you can fly to Europe for the price of 5 beers and a BLS vest and catch Inferno Fest or Party*San or something.


Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 07:04 (twenty years ago)

otm about The Early Days dvd. i think the mystery headliner is danzig.

charleston charge (chaki), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 07:09 (twenty years ago)

So the Danzig/Doyle team? I think it's not the Anthrax regroup, that'll be some seperate swing.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 07:23 (twenty years ago)

I was kinda hoping Rammstein would be on the bill this year. They haven't toured the US behind Reise, Reise yet. And they're guaranteed coverage in the New York Times!

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)

By the way, I better not be the only one of the hard-boiled contributors here going to the Rods reunion show in Cortland next weekend. I don't even like the Rods.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

Hey,
How come it's taken me half the album (including 5 songs worth of religious nuttiness) to notice that Sinai Beach, Victory's new signings thank the 'Navy, Army, Air Force and all the special forces past future and especially present, the republican party and America for defending our freedom.' on the notes to 'Immersed'.
Good job the album's a bit shit really.

Neil Kulkarni, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

All the Special Forces past, present and future? Why didn't they just call themselves God, Guts, Guns & Glory? Or Shrapnel. It's free again, you know.

George Smith, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

ON

George Smith, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...
http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0517,dozen,63345,22.html

xhuxk, Monday, 25 April 2005 23:31 (twenty years ago)

as far as neurosis/isis rips go, that callisto album is pretty good. i was enjoying it the other day. much more than that last cult of luna album.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 25 April 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
Thanks, Ned!

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Saturday, 14 May 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

(Er, and everyone who's posted on this thread.)

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Saturday, 14 May 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

has anyone heard this new coffins album *mortuary in darkness*?

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Saturday, 14 May 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

I saw a lot of love for Yyrkoon's disc upthread, and I really didn't feel it. I had to play it at 3/4 speed to really get into any of it.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Saturday, 14 May 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

Anybody besides me going to this?

pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 14 May 2005 20:29 (twenty years ago)

I saw a lot of love for Yyrkoon's disc upthread, and I really didn't feel it.

Yrkoon vs. Zip Coon. Discuss, where we are there's daggers in men's smiles.

I enjoyed a couple songs from Crash Kelly's glammy "Penny Pills" tonight but no one here would probably like them because they don't shit enough masonry nails.

Instead you'll want to listen to Collapsar. Loo-siana death math metal CD with no vocals and where you can't tell where one song leaves off and another begins. (Dysrythmia fans will defecate in their undertrousers. How this didn't wind up on Relapse is totally beyond me, much like the new Nile CD.) ) Or you could really get into the Isis double CD remix by people with names like "Hemorrhoid." Which, of course, is something to be liked because it's like receiving a very fancy layer cake in the mail. Fone up Girlie and ask for a copy because it's a led pipe cinch absolutely no one will pay cash money for it. And they are all fools!!!!

George Smith, Sunday, 15 May 2005 06:59 (twenty years ago)

Jukt's "Defeet of Deduk Went Over Defense Be4 Detail" is teh boss. I have CDR. Japanese crazy death. You can't find on the net. Lyric: "wall, we tannd his ide when he died clyde and that's it hangin' on the shed!!" from "Tanned His Hide." Its from another song.

Nick Fury of the Howling Commandos, Sunday, 15 May 2005 07:17 (twenty years ago)

Deep Purple remaster of "Burn" via Rhino in BestBuys this week. You have to get it if you're so young you missed the vinyl. You're not metal if you don't have "Burn" which for a few seconds burns more brightly than "In Rock," "Fireball" and "Machine Head."

Beats the shit out of Yyrkoon, YOB, Zip Coon, your neighbor's death metal band, the Ozzy box, of the same magnitude as "Family Jewels."

George Smith, Sunday, 15 May 2005 09:05 (twenty years ago)

i stand by my love for these three:

TS: The New Kylesa -vs- The New Transistor Transistor -vs- The New Raging Speedhorn

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 15 May 2005 11:01 (twenty years ago)

How this didn't wind up on Relapse is totally beyond me, much like the new Nile CD

The new Nile is on Relapse, according to Nile & Relapse - whatcha mean?

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Sunday, 15 May 2005 11:33 (twenty years ago)

>How this didn't wind up on Relapse is totally beyond me

It's on the Relapse publicist's micro-indie label. I tried playing it once, but I got the new Pelican the same day, so it had no chance.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 15 May 2005 12:24 (twenty years ago)

The new Pelican full-length or the Pelican EP?

ng, Sunday, 15 May 2005 12:35 (twenty years ago)

I guess I need to listen to Crash Kelly more. I'd had them slotted with..shit, what is that one annoying quasi-'70s-Camaro-rock Canadian group who put out an album early this year?...in the "good genre but they don't pull it off" pile. George, which tracks do you like on there? Though by the way the Sirens and that new Thor album are indeed pretty great.

Yyrkoon sound like background music by sad monsters to me -- as much beauty as gratuitous ugliness in the grrrr and blur. They don't rock but I don't mind. Music to read the paper or wash dishes to. Had no use whatsoever for that new Nile or those Isis mixes or (sorry, Scott) Kylsea, though.

xhuxk, Sunday, 15 May 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

that new Thor album

Whoa, they're still going?

I talked briefly about Nile on their separate thread -- the new one is mostly *shrug* aside from quick ambient bits.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 15 May 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

metal joke of the year?:
rob sheffield in the new rolling stone issue, about Ratt's singer becoming the pope.

----

It's bugging me that I can't think of the name of those no-riff/no-swing/no-punchline Bad Company-wannabe Canuck (Toronto, I think) dumbasses I refer to above, though. Miccio started a thread about them here a couple months ago. He didn't like them, either. They may even be a hit above the border. Guess it's no surprise they're forgetttable, however.

xhuxk, Sunday, 15 May 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

The new Pelican full-length; I got the EP a few weeks ago. And yeah, the new Thor album is great, much better than the rock opera thing he put out last year, which I couldn't even get all the way through.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 15 May 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

Whats the name of the new Pelican album?
Is it on s1sk yet?

Rock Bastard, Sunday, 15 May 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

Thor put out a rock opera just last year? My god, I have to hand it to the man, he's in overdrive. (You must understand that what little I know of Jon-Mikl Thor and his ways consists of two posters, the phone-book tearing antics Ian Christe mentions in his book and the movie Zombie Nightmare, as made beloved by MST3K.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 15 May 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

The Pelican disc is called The Fire In Our Throats Will Beckon The Thaw. And I have no idea what's on soulseek and what isn't.

Thor's rock opera was called Beastwomen From The Center Of The Earth. It's based on/tied in with a comic book, too. It doesn't live up to its title, though. The music is kinda weak and cheesy. The new album (Thor Against The World, on Smog Veil) is much, much better.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 15 May 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

also, for those of you who do not peruse the rolling country thread:

>Not sure whether *Car Wash* by the Howling Diablos (from Detroit, apparently Kid Rock pals whose previous album struck me as too stodgy or minstrely or something) belongs on this thread or the metal thread, but there is no badass early-ZZ/John Lee boogie thread, so I will plug it here regardless. Title track is the best song about working at the car wash since the one by Rose Royce. My other two favorite tracks so far are "Mean Little Town" and, bizarrely, "Elvis Lives." I wish their singer had a smidgen more personality in his voice, but given the guitarist and drummer, I can live with it.

xhuxk, Sunday, 15 May 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

xxxxxxxxxxxpost! xhux, you list Soundtrack Of Our Lives' Origin Vol.1 as "metal or something like that" or something like that---detail(s)!?

don, Sunday, 15 May 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

the "good genre but they don't pull it off" pile. George, which tracks do you like on there? Though by the way the Sirens and that new Thor album are indeed pretty great.

Crash Kelly: First song, "Penny Pills" and the cover of "ELO Kiddies" which is done fine even though the guy has no voice. They slaughter "Since You've Been Gone," which does fall into the category of -good choice but they still had no business doing it-. The Sirens, of course, grease everything on the Crash Kelly disc, easy.

Thor rocked at The Knitting Factory in Hollywood. I've still yet to be able to sit through a showing of "Murder at the Presidio" with Lou Diamond Phillips on USA Network, though, to see where "Glimmer" fits in. Thor bent a steel pry bar with his teeth to one of the songs. More heavy metal bands should bend pry bars with their teeth, I think.
If they fail, they can't make a record for a year. That'd be the rule.

George Smith, Sunday, 15 May 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

Camaro-rock Canadian group who put out an album early this year?...

Danko Jones.

George Smith, Sunday, 15 May 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

about Ratt's singer becoming the pope.

Ah-ha-ha. Ratzsinger is teh pope. That's as good as the one about teaching your neighbor to plant tulips. After a week you'll have him planting tulips on your cock.


George Smith, Sunday, 15 May 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

MASTER OF THE DARK ARTS
By Randy Kennedy
Banks Violette, the artist behind the Whitney's foray into arson, suicide, and black metal http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/15 Also
Audio Slide Show: A Heavy Metal Aesthetic (with a URL too long to copy)

don, Sunday, 15 May 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

Server Error. Hey, that's a good name for a heavy metal band!

George Smith, Sunday, 15 May 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

oops--or try http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/15/arts/design/15kenn.html or link from the Arts headlines on the homepage

don, Sunday, 15 May 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

As I have been a pube north of bankrupt for a few weeks now, the only new releases I can recall - or recommend - are the new Priest and Strapping Young Lad. Revolution is for Priest fans only; the SYL is down by law for anyone who loves insane, technical speed metal. Devin Townsend is a sociopath genius.

The coming months hold (for me) anticipated new discs from Dream Theater and Opeth, and hopefully Queensryche will finish and release the sequel to Operation:Mindcrime. New Children of Bodom would be nice too, not the EP they just put out, which btw is worth getting.

necrothorn, Sunday, 15 May 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

Wow, what an annoying fellow. Amusing article, however, even though I don't think it was a humor piece.

...I was pretty sure I wasn't going to off myself or kill Mom or Dad," he said...

...It's the way the information gets conveyed and used that's the key," he said...

A horse is a horse, of course, of course, unless it's a talking horse, of course. Have you ever heard of a talking horse? Talk to Mr. Ed! Mr. Ed conveyed information to Wilbur and that was the key, you see.

...that of Zell Kravinsky, a Pennsylvania philanthropist who donated one of his kidneys to a stranger, enacting the exhortation "give till it hurts" in a very literal way...

I heard this was a script in production by Rob Zombie.

"a glue-sniffer's apotheosis of Burke's sublime"

Which Nile should use for a song title on its next CD. Or something from Goethe, like "You provide me with the fatal implements, precious Lotte."

George Smith, Sunday, 15 May 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

The Howling Diablos definitely having something going on for "Car Wash." If you don't listen to the singer too much. He's just plain awful on "Dope Man" which I like for the "Rollin' & Tumblin' riff. Couldn't make it to "Prison Train" on the website. I can live with the ZZ Top/blooz man attack, but white guy in 2005 singing inane ebonical life-in-the-'69-city-is-jus-too-shitty lyrics works only as humor. Moffro do the same thing, Chuck, only more sitting on the porch of the dock of the bayou. Moffro is defintely something I expect to see someone devote a paragraph to the Sunday NY Times one of these days if it hasn't happened already. None of these would probably exist as signings if it weren't for the Black Keys.

George Smith, Monday, 16 May 2005 22:33 (twenty years ago)

The Howling Diablos definitely having something going on for "Car Wash." If you don't listen to the singer too much

Agreed, I just heard the album today myself. I focused more on the music and was rewarded.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 16 May 2005 22:53 (twenty years ago)

It's the part where everyone in the band stops. Then the guy on guitar plays some spikey licks by himself. The band comes back and the singer goes, "Hey, hey, hey!" wherein he does sound like the Reverend Billy G. for a couple seconds.

George Smith, Monday, 16 May 2005 23:16 (twenty years ago)

So, they're like a Special Edition of G.Love With Special Sauce?

don, Tuesday, 17 May 2005 02:55 (twenty years ago)

>white guy in 2005 singing inane ebonical life-in-the-'69-city-is-jus-too-shitty lyrics works only as humor<

Don't necessarily disagree with this, but in that case maybe we should also take Thor to task for making all his lyrics sound like something a junior high school kid in midwestern suburbia would have yelled along to in 1972. (Though he's much better singer than the Diablo howler, so yeah, maybe he deserves slack cut. I could live without his biceps, though.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 May 2005 11:53 (twenty years ago)

he couldn't though. he needs them to move his arms.

latebloomer: B Minus Time Traveler (latebloomer), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 12:52 (twenty years ago)

>maybe we should also take Thor to task for making all his lyrics sound like something a junior high school kid in midwestern suburbia would have yelled along to in 1972

Always worked for Dave Wyndorf.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 13:02 (twenty years ago)

lyrics sound like something a junior high school kid in midwestern suburbia would have yelled along to in 1972.

Proof!

"Gonna have a hard, hard time getting rid of my love for you. [Backup singers behind the phrase: "Gonna, gonna, gonna, gonna, gonna."] Gonna have a real hard time getting rid of my heart."

And on another:

"Girl, I wouldn't give you away for free." What a compliment!! And he's being sincere!

George Smith, Tuesday, 17 May 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

If anyone has the Pelican album could they please perhaps YSI it?
Pwetty Pwease?

Rock Bastard, Wednesday, 18 May 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

With sugar on top?

ng, Thursday, 19 May 2005 01:00 (twenty years ago)

Most definitely.

Rock Bastard, Thursday, 19 May 2005 02:43 (twenty years ago)

Ha ha, Dave Marsh in 1978 on Thor's *Keep the Dogs Away*:

(0 stars)

"The cover features the muscle-bound singer fighting off attack dogs. Listeners my be excused from hoping he loses. Unlistenable."

xhuxk, Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

So, were Screaming Trees actually ever any good? I'm listening to a best of of their '90s major label stuff, and it's doing nothing for me; I kinda can't stand the guy's voice. (Didn't they have an MTV hit or two? I'm not even sure which songs those would be.) Thing is, I actually liked them and reviewed their favorably for the Voice and Creem back in the mid/late '80s SST days. So did they just get worse after grunge? Or was I always wrong about them in the first place? It's been eons since I heard the SST stuff too, so I really have no idea.

xhuxk, Saturday, 21 May 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

They were always great, but if you hate his voice then it's hardly surprising you don't like them.

Early albums on SST are underrated. I'd say the 90s albums are more consistent but each of the early albums have 4 or 5 gems on them.

Rock Bastard, Saturday, 21 May 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

Finally got Trivium's Ascendancy in the mail. I've been loving their video for quite some time. Also got the new/final Discordance Axis CD, Our Last Day, which only features two DA songs, but also contains lots of covers of their stuff, plus the Merzbow remix of The Inalienable Dreamless, which is fucking killer.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 21 May 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

Secret Machines, H.I.M.: what's the word on them (BMG Music Service just added both, and I've got some coupons!)

don, Saturday, 21 May 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

Dave Marsh in 1978 on Thor's *Keep the Dogs Away*:
(0 stars)

"The cover features the muscle-bound singer fighting off attack dogs. Listeners my be excused from hoping he loses. Unlistenable."

Ha-ha. Dave Marsh, when it comes to hard rock not even as twice-a-day reliable as a busted watch.

http://www.thorcentral.com/mp_redesign/html/discography.html

Note photos of "Keep the Dogs Away." Thor's not fighting off attack dogs, he's restraining them. But I'm not entirely sour on the idea of not letting reality get in the way of a good one-liner.

George Smith, Saturday, 21 May 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

>Early albums on SST are underrated. I'd say the 90s albums are more consistent but each of the early albums have 4 or 5 gems on them. <

Hmmm......Well, in my 1987 4000 word *Voice* SST roundup (where my other two favorite bands were Dinosaur and Blind Idiot God!), I compared *Even If and Especially When* to the Seeds, Love, and Amboy Dukes. Which may well have been completely full of baloney, but the '90s stuff on this new comp sure sounds a lot more proto-Creed than Seeds/Love/Dukes to me. They used way less organ (Farfisa or whatever) as they got heavier, right? They also seemed to have turned a lot less graceful over the years. But maybe I'm wrong.

xhuxk, Saturday, 21 May 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

Chuck, I see Def Leppard covered "No Matter What" which sounds like a natural to me. Makes me think of actually getting the new best of, the programming on the second disc of the two looks appetizing.

Now all that's left is for them to cover Mick Ronson's "greatest non-hits," maybe "Angel No. 9," which sounded like Def Leppard were -going- to sound like.

George Smith, Saturday, 21 May 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

(oh yeah, seeds/love/amboy dukes = web of sound/false start/call of the wild in that review, fwiw. at least 75 percent baloney, i'm sure.)

xp

xhuxk, Saturday, 21 May 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

Hey! I think they did cover it for the Ronson Memorial Concert. Or at least I remember having a version that sure sounded like Joe Elliot was singing it.

George Smith, Saturday, 21 May 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

Did Elliott guest on that Ronson album *Heaven to Hull* in the mid '90s? I think he might have. I don't have it anymore, but I remember it having some good tracks.

My better half tells me Mark Lanegan sounds more proto-Josh Homme than proto-Scott Strap (or however you spell his name) on that Screaming Trees CD. Probably true, but I still don't' like it much. God I hate grunge music. Though I'd forgotten, when I'd written above that I can't stand his voice, that he is some kind of "intensely emotional alt-country hero" or something now. Which explains a lot.

xhuxk, Saturday, 21 May 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

Did Elliott guest on that Ronson album *Heaven to Hull* in the mid '90s?

Yes. Was probably a better album than "Play Don't Worry" and a lot better than "Slaughter."

Speaking of grunge, anyone remember The Fluid? Added geeks playing sub-Stooges flavoring to the basic formula. Was there anyone Sub Pop didn't publish that was grunge/sub-Stooges? And what happened to Tad? Wasn't Tad going to be the next god at some point?

Save Marsh-ism: Tad -- Someone who thought Leatherface from the Texas Chainsaw Massacre would have been great in a sludge metal band. If you bought it you were on the hook for ten dollars.

George Smith, Saturday, 21 May 2005 21:32 (twenty years ago)

Also channeling the vibe of ZZ Top (dig the pick harmonics)/Leslie West Band, tops and tails of Kentucky Headhunters' "Big Boss Man." Title cut, plus "Honky Tonk Blues," plus stop/start boogie "I'm Down," and heavy Byrds, "Don't It Make You Want to Go Home?"

Murky sounding mix adds to the oomph. Put them in leather jackets and they look like the Hell's Angels, Ventura chapter. Better album than the Boyzzz "Too Wild to Tame," a song they could have also covered.

George Smith, Saturday, 21 May 2005 22:49 (twenty years ago)

>Speaking of grunge, anyone remember The Fluid? Added geeks playing sub-Stooges flavoring to the basic formula. Was there anyone Sub Pop didn't publish that was grunge/sub-Stooges? And what happened to Tad? Wasn't Tad going to be the next god at some point?

Saw the Fluid, Steelpole Bathtub, and Mudhoney on the same bill one night in Trenton, 1989 or so. They were opening for GWAR. (Where they all belonged, culturally speaking, I believed then and still do.)

Saw Tad at the same club, same year, opening for Primus. For at least the length of the Salt Lick EP, Tad was a god.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 22 May 2005 00:28 (twenty years ago)

From the May 2005 of the freebie rag *Nashville Music Guide:

"Rocker Ron Keel, the ex-lead singer for Black Sabbath, has teamed up with the Bullet Boys's ex-lead singer Charlie Wayne to form one of the newest and most exciting country duo acts to come out of Nasvhille in a long time.....info: www.keelandwayne.com"

xhuxk, Sunday, 22 May 2005 21:59 (twenty years ago)

Didn't that Keel doof already say he had his country thing going on some MTV thing about five, six years back? Showed him performing with his dudes. Then Metal Sludge ran an interview with him a few years later saying he was doing both the metal and the country thing in separate projects.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 22 May 2005 22:06 (twenty years ago)

Rocker Ron Keel, the ex-lead singer for Black Sabbath,

From the BS page:
Ron Keel
Started in Band: Summer 1984
Left Band: A short while later
Album appearances: None

Heck, it does sound better than Ron Keel, the ex-lead singer for Keel.

Iron Horse was his country band.

George Smith, Monday, 23 May 2005 01:09 (twenty years ago)

So if anybody gets much farther than the (actually quite rocking) first track (= "Shakin' My Cage") on the new Joe Perry solo album, please let me know. I gave up after a few tracks, though there's some nice Yardbirds-style fake Arabian guitar on track #3. Jumped ahead to "Vigilante Man," and I guess he's covering the Nazareth version, which is cool. Don't really care about "Crystal Ship," but maybe I'm just being cranky today. (I definitely wouldn't be giving the thing this much thought if it was frigging Aerosmith album, though.)

xhuxk, Friday, 27 May 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

And oh yeah, speaking of Aerosmith, there's a really good '70s 'Smith-sounding track on the new Supagroup album. And a couple great '70s AC/DC-sounding tracks swinging at least half as hard as the Kentucky Headhunters' version of "Big Boss Man." And a good ballad, and a good song where they are clearly doing their best to play cold-assed and rumbling '80s style power metal as opposed to boogiefied '70s hard rock, which cracks me up for some reason whether it means to or not.

xhuxk, Friday, 27 May 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

The new Supagroup album is definitely making my Top 10.

Je4nne ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Saturday, 28 May 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

needing no introductioning to you mortals

Mr. Vas Djifrens (byzantum), Saturday, 28 May 2005 12:28 (twenty years ago)

Some more metal (and non metal too!) here:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0523,dozen,64668,22.html

xhuxk, Friday, 3 June 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

I was just listening to Lost Soul's Chaostream again. Might be my favorite death metal album this year.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 3 June 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

i like lots of death metal this year. i like that lost soul album. immolation, blood red throne, and yes, the new hate eternal. and exmortem too, if that came out this year.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 June 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

yeah the exmortem is fucking sweet! almost forgot about that one. the pick to rule all is still Buried Inside for me though

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Friday, 3 June 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

Buried Inside are really good, but I wouldn't call them death metal. They might be the Great Mathcore Hope of 2005. The Red Chord are also really good.

So any other NYers going to the Hate Eternal/Krisiun/Incantation/two other bands show at BB King's on the 26th?

pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 4 June 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

buried inside are pretty cool. esp. since isis are starting to sound like a really heavy sting album.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 4 June 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

el sabor, have you heard that zatokrev album? i love that thing. i forget all about bands like isis when i hear stuff like that. actually, to get my isis fix, i've been listening to that callisto album.

i'm getting the new ulver in the mail. i can't wait! they iz my wacky heroes.

stuff i want to hear: that new buzzov-en comp. that new nihilist demo comp. that new vio-lence reissue. new orthrelm. new infidel?/castro!. um, there is probably more.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 4 June 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

the infidel?castro! album is lovely, if you don''t mind background-muzak metal! (i wrote about it on that slayer thread where everybody got pissed at me a few days ago.) i think i said it sounds like einsturzende neubaten circa *halber mensch*, or dentist's-office-era isis crossed with wolf eyes, or something.

xhuxk, Saturday, 4 June 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

The new Orthrelm will drive you insane if you try to concentrate on it. Put it on and vacuum the house, or play with the baby, or something.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 4 June 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

zatokrev, eh? i'll look for it.

stuff i want to hear: that new buzzov-en comp. that new nihilist demo comp. that new vio-lence reissue.

i'm not in the know and wound up buying a cheap cd-r bootleg of the nihilist demo stuff (which actually has more tracks than the official release), it's damn nice to hear. only shreds remain was constantly in my tapedeck back then.

which vio-lence album's being reissued? please say eternal nightmare!

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 4 June 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

i like lots of death metal this year. i like that lost soul album. immolation, blood red throne, and yes, the new hate eternal. and exmortem too, if that came out this year.

For some reason, I've found it hard to get into the new Immolation. The new Nile album is the best death metal album I've heard in a long while, and the production is so superb, the Immolation album sounds too muddy in comparison.

The new Darkest Hour is pretty decent, too, and is helped greatly by Devin Townsend's production. Above average metalcore.

I'm really looking forward to hearing Primordial's The Gathering Wilderness...the one track I've heard (I think it's the first one) is pretty great, epic doom mixed with some Celtic influences.

Oh, and the new Leng Tch'e album is a riot.

a. begrand (a begrand), Saturday, 4 June 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

I feel exactly the opposite way. I like the new Immolation album a lot, and the Nile disc didn't last a week in my house. (I've never liked them, though.)

I'm very interested to hear the new Darkest Hour.

Just got the new As I Lay Dying in the mail. Haven't decided whether I'm going to listen to it anytime soon, though, because I got the new Coldplay today, too, and the massive Cafe Tacuba live box (three CDs and a DVD for $18.97 plus tax).

pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 4 June 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

i like really old nile. with every album they get bigger and i like them less & less. i can certainly see why people dig them though. they are really good at making noise, there noise just doesn't engage me in any way anymore.it gets tedious. i get bored. the immolation just has such great riffs and stuff. it's more old-fashioned, really. and when i first heard it, i think i was really needing something like that.

the primordial is great, a.! really deep, dark, and epic. the first track IS my fave too.

"which vio-lence album's being reissued? please say eternal nightmare!"

you are correct! megaforce is putting it out.


i got an e-mail about combat records putting out old and new stuff. i wonder what they are gonna reissue first? i should google for info. (i didn't actually read the e-mail.)

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 4 June 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

From the press release:

There are no immediate plans to re-issue previously out-of-print [Combat] catalogue titles, the joint venture will focus entirely on new releases.

Dud.

No "Let Them Eat Metal" and "Live Rods" by The Rods!

George Smith, Saturday, 4 June 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

oops, oh well. no deluxe impaler reissues, i guess.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 4 June 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)

wow, was I ever wrong about the crash kelly album up thread -- just found my (thin cadrboard covered) copy again a few days ago, and not only does it now sound way better than i said before, i also think it sounds way better than george (who defended it to me in those earlier posts) said before, too. the .38 specal cover totally emphasizes the "louie louie" riff the way i don't think the original ever did. cheap trick's "elo kiddies" is done with gary glitter style drums and totally snotty early '70s alice cooper type vocals. and the covers are consistently catchy, and a couple of them (at least) are pretty great songs (especially the first two, i think.) in fact i hear a lot of '70s alice and '70s aerosmith all over the thing, but it still remains in many ways a powerpop album at least as much as a glam one. it's still growing on me, too...

xhuxk, Saturday, 11 June 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

Crash Kelly has also sounded better to me with every listen. Now it's about peaked. The cover of "Elo Kiddies" is one of the excellent tracks and its drums, I think, as well as the guitar tone, are faithful to the original which also featured Garry Glitter-ism. Kelly doesn't sound much like Robin Zander but that doesn't matter.

I'm not sold on the cover of "Since You're Been Gone," a great song, but real hard to do without the throat of someone like Graham Bonnett.
Title track is excellent and the instrumental delivers as hyped, it's Aerosmith cops which is what the band indeed says. Second is extremely fine, too. Is it also a cover?

Beat the heck out of the Black Halos, which just came out on Liquor 'N' Poker. Ramalama street punk rock, emphasis on the band and supporters calling it "rawk," which is also a cue phrase for me that phrase is: No songs, not many riffs, either, just energy. Best tune is an old Tom Petty cover, which surprise, surprise, is a bona fide song.

And Cheeseburger just came in complete with faux Harry Nillson cover art. Completely disguises what's in it. My congratulations! No pandering to the rockers! Could trick an indie nerd into buying it
thinking it was sensitive and arty or something.

Contents are cheeseburger loud AC/DC riff but kind of awol on the rhythm section for the sake of attitude. Verdict's not in, could easily be one of those boom-bang-crash short recipes -- it's an EP -- that get's out of town just at the right moment.

George Smith, Saturday, 11 June 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

Adding, "Since You Been Gone," is one of the highlite tracks on Crash Kelly's CD, featuring the "vintage mix," whatever that is. Drums way down, vocal way up, maybe, compared to the rest of the CD. And I'm always going to like the Rainbow version of it best, Head East's second, I think. This third, or maybe a toss with Head East since I don't recall that one as well as Rainbow's which gets played every couple of months.

George Smith, Saturday, 11 June 2005 23:39 (twenty years ago)

Formally announced: Crash Kelly's "Penny Pills" a sleeper of the year. "Movie" is another great song. The "Louie, Louie" riff spoken of is in "Since You Been Gone" which is a "vintage mix" because it rolls off the high end above 10k Hz or so. It's cut above the average male's astute key rock-rock-rock perception hearing which ends in the high mids, making it sound like teh vinyl experience. That's the technical description. Crash Kelly achieve their own sound, not so much obviously imitative of the stuff cited in the p.r. to get the suckers and idiots feeling comfortable, but a real gemisch of styles which makes them... like no one else. If you really need a slumming reference, think a better NorthAm version of the Wildhearts and Ginger, if the Wildhearts were worthy of their lickspittle print which sells no records.

Hard to figure how Crash Kelly could top "Penny Pills," so get it now. Very glam -- and I be telegraphing some stuff -- it's their career statement, like Suzi Quatro's first two records, alos really recommended for people who thought Cheap Trick went south after the first album, although not sounding much like that. A Canadian band worth ranking in with Max Webster, "Penny Pills" is much better than "Hangover" which none of you would know because you're NOT OLD ENOUGH, and high praise, too, having nothing to do with Rush.

Cheeseburger's "Gang's All Here" gets a the thumbs up, now, too. Noisy, blocking, hard rock tumbling into metal. Like any good heavy hard rock CD, the slope on it is positive after first listen. Simply produced, crashing, intentionally contemptible but accurate lyrics. The tunes are economical, crashing and full of holes -- momentary silences -- the way good hard rock always is. Things said upstream still apply.

George Smith, Sunday, 12 June 2005 09:31 (twenty years ago)

Also, that Cheeseburger EP (which is very funny to boot), may well steal its best riff (or one of them) from the Romantics!

xhuxk, Sunday, 12 June 2005 10:13 (twenty years ago)

Okay you've all got me interested in this Crash Kelly thing...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 12 June 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

Leng Tch'e "Process of Elimination" came in. The good parts, of which there are a majority, sound like Blood Duster. I liked Blood Duster.

More basically, they can develop a groove, the rhythm section isn't tied up trying to prove something that will look good in print in a metal 'zine.

Soilent Green came along for the ride. Listened to half before being interrrupted. No verdict. I did like "Deleted Symphony for the Beaten Down" which was their last from a few years back.

George Smith, Thursday, 16 June 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

Looking forward to the Soilent Green....Deleted Symphony was a great record.

Curious about the Leng Tche

ddb (ddb), Thursday, 16 June 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, the Leng T'che is really good.

I'm blown away by the recent Primordial album. I can't stop playing the thing.

a. begrand (a begrand), Thursday, 16 June 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

There's a song on it called "Motorgrinding" (secondarily, "Don't Touch My Spandex" or maybe "Overkill Bill") that's as close to biker rock as this kind of band can get. Which is what Blood Duster was doing on their last and best record.

And another bump for Cheeseburger's "Gang's All Here." Where did they come from? Is it just blind luck?

George Smith, Thursday, 16 June 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

I got that same package. Never could understand the appeal of Soilent Green. Agree about Blood Duster - they definitely had their moments.

Got the Nightingales EP in today's mail - death metal drumming, downtuned guitar, occasional low-in-the-mix urp vocals, and the lead instrument is Matt Shipp-style piano. Four songs, 19 minutes. I think they've got another record coming out this year. I hope so, because this one is fantastic.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 16 June 2005 23:16 (twenty years ago)

Bumped.

No enthusiasm for Meshuggah. Collapsar hung around longer before heading to the stow box.

Stang, a Philly trio, has a live CD/DVD out that sounds like Return to Forever's "Romantic Warrior" without Chick Corea and with all the mood stuff removed. Or the latest Electrick Band L. Ron Hubbard-tribute thing without CC and the guitar way up in the mix. Or if you remember the first Automatic Man record, it sounds similar. Heavy guitarist plays fusion, sells it as virtuoso power rock.

George Smith, Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:59 (twenty years ago)

oops, oh well. no deluxe impaler reissues, i guess.
-- scott seward (skotro...), June 4th, 2005.

No, but my friend Jamie just finished recording their newest CD. And Brad will be sporting a fancy new Ibanez Iceman w/Giger graphics on the front of it as soon as we get it shipped to us.

Nicest bunch of blood-spewing maniacs you could ever hope to meet, BTW. Sort of like GWAR without all the stupid. Or perhaps the right kind of stupid...

John Justen (johnjusten), Sunday, 19 June 2005 23:09 (twenty years ago)

No enthusiasm for Meshuggah. Collapsar hung around longer before heading to the stow box.

Yeah, I can't get into the Meshuggah cd, either. The band wakes up during the last third, but the rest of it sleepwalks too much. As an experiment in pro tools editing, it's not too bad, and the programmed drums sound okay, but it sounds far too mechanical, even for Meshuggah. Plus, when you have one of the genre's best drummers in Tomas Haake, it's a complete waste not to have him perform on the record.

a. begrand (a begrand), Monday, 20 June 2005 17:31 (twenty years ago)

I like it, but from a distance. It's one of those things I'll play once or twice a year, like the new Orthrelm.

Got a 3-song sampler from the upcoming Black Dahlia Murder disc in today's mail. I like those guys a lot.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

New Soilent Green turned out to be sorta depressing. Not impressing.

New Accüsed is a killer.

The reformed Nuclear Assault's new CD might be their best.

Blood Duster's nu metal parody video is great!

Who asked for Rods reunion show pics?

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

Blood Duster's nu metal parody video is great!

Pornstorestiffi!

George Smith, Monday, 20 June 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

I like all of these more than that sucky Soilent Green CD:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0525,eddy,65091,22.html

xhuxk, Monday, 20 June 2005 21:08 (twenty years ago)

I like all of these more than that sucky Soilent Green CD:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0525,eddy,65091,22.html

Good to see some love for the new Candlemass...that one's easily the biggest surprise of the year. I couldn't believe my ears when I heard it...it was as if the last 15 years didn't even happen.

Oh, and I officially love the new Clutch album. Much more consistent than Blast Tyrant (and amazing album artwork, too). I'm looking forward to seeing them at Sounds of the Underground...their southern jam metal is going to be a fun contrast with Opeth, Lamb of God, SYL, High on Fire, and all that metalcore.

a. begrand (a begrand), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

I like that Rwake album, too.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 00:59 (twenty years ago)

I listen to the new Meshuggah almost daily. The idea of a never-ending breakdown just really appeals to me.

original bgm, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 01:47 (twenty years ago)

Look, no one has actually said the new Soilent Green was any good here. The only -good- judgment is that it would be -good- to give a listen to Leng Tch'e because it has a -good- deal in common with Blood Duster.

And if you're going to take Chuck seriously, and you should, then digging up the entire Gentle Giant catalog is something for you to get started on. I recommend "Octopus," to begin, particularly "Knots." And if you're feeling like a sissy, the first album, which is in the same space as first album Blue Oyster Cult.

And if you're going to the recent reissues, set the laser needle down at the halfway point on "In a Glass House." The bonus cut is particularly tasty when turned up LOUD.

And if (is there an echo in here) if pdf is saying something is cool than I probably agree that it is indeed so because we have similar tastes even though we don't get along, but should get along, because we have much more in common that refuting and confuting.

George Smith, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 06:38 (twenty years ago)

What I Think of Metal

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Michael Costello (MichaelCostello1), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 06:43 (twenty years ago)

> the .38 specal cover totally emphasizes the "louie louie" riff <

...er, "since you been gone" is actually NOT a .38 Special song, come to think of it, is it? Is there some .38 Special song I am confusing it with? I have no idea. Maybe I just always *assumed* it was by .38 Special, when in fact (correct me if this is wrong, George or any other '70s AOR experts out there) it was (according to one website I just checked) Head East's highest-charting top 100 hit ever. Which is REALLY weird, because I always would've thought Head East's biggest hit by far was "Never Been Any Reason" (known to "Baba O'Riley" fans as "Saved My Life Going Down for the Last Time.") How could I have been mixed up about that all my life? Or DID .38 Special cover it once? (In other Crash Kelly news, I love how the guitar instrumental on their CD keeps turning into Aerosmith's "Same Old Song and Dance.")

Also: Why did Head East love pancakes so much?? Weird!

xhuxk, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 20:21 (twenty years ago)

No idea that was Head East's highest charting song. It must have made a hell of a lot of money for Russ Ballard. Of course, the best version of it is on the live record, which is out of print.

What are the other Head East songs I heard on the radio that aren't the usual perps...hmmmm, seems to me "Jefftown Creek" gave them some mileage too.

Head East iconography: flapjacks, haywagons and road signs. Obviously, they knew their AOR middle American hard rock audience.

George Smith, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

>(known to "Baba O'Riley" fans as "Saved My Life Going Down for the Last Time.") <

I meant "Teenage Wasteland fans! Totally fucked up my own dumb joke.

Crash Kelly "Since You Been Gone" vs. Kelly Clarkson "Since You've Been Gone"

xhuxk, Wednesday, 22 June 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I can't get into the Meshuggah cd, either. The band wakes up during the last third, but the rest of it sleepwalks too much. As an experiment in pro tools editing, it's not too bad, and the programmed drums sound okay, but it sounds far too mechanical, even for Meshuggah. Plus, when you have one of the genre's best drummers in Tomas Haake, it's a complete waste not to have him perform on the record.

-- a. begrand (abegran...), June 20th, 2005.

otm, i have to agree its really disappointing, especially after the "I" ep which was incredible.

latebloomer: We kissy kiss in the rear view (latebloomer), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

My dream from last night.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

Does anyone else like the new Torche album? I'm really enjoying it...superheavy sludge with vocal hooks, and very good production. Sounds like a cross between The Melvins and Witchfinder General.

a. begrand (a begrand), Friday, 24 June 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

i'm going to have to check that out, sounds excellent. and ex-floor dudes, too.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 24 June 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

I just got The Essential Iron Maiden in today's mail...interesting, in that it's in reverse chronological order, starting with tracks from Dance Of Death and ending with a (previously unreleased, woohoo) live version of "Iron Maiden," and that it includes songs from the Blaze Bayley albums.

Got the third edition of Rock and the Pop Narcotic today, and the only change from the 2.13.61 edition is a two-page preface in which Carducci states he made no changes between versions 2 and 3 because he didn't want to come off like some kind of obsessive.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 24 June 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah, in case anybody wants to know, here's the track listing for the Maiden comp:

Disc 1
Paschendale
Rainmaker
The Wicker Man
Brave New World
Futureal
The Clansman
Sign Of The Cross
Man On The Edge
Be Quick Or Be Dead
Fear Of The Dark (Live)
Holy Smoke
Bring Your Daughter To The Slaughter
The Clairvoyant

Disc 2
The Evil That Men Do
Wasted Years
Heaven Can Wait
Two Minutes To Midnight
Aces High
Flight Of Icarus
The Trooper
The Number Of The Beast
Run To The Hills
Wrathchild
Killers
Phantom Of The Opera
Running Free (Live)
Iron Maiden (Live)

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 24 June 2005 22:41 (twenty years ago)

Despite the inclusion of "Bring Your Daughter to the Slaughter" and "Holy Smoke", and the exclusion of "Tailgunner" (the only good song on No Prayer For the Dying), not to mention scads of other album tracks, this is the most adequate Maiden comp to date. Great to see "Sign of the Cross" and "The Clansman" on there.

Personally, I'm holding out for the upcoming live CD/DVD this summer...

a. begrand (a begrand), Saturday, 25 June 2005 03:22 (twenty years ago)

Hey, I've got a +1 for the Hate Eternal/Krisiun/Incantation/All Shall Perish show tomorrow night! BB King's in Times Square, 7 PM. Anybody wanna join me? Drop me an e-mail.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 25 June 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

On the inside, I am screaming with joy:

Relapse to reissue complete Atheist catalog

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 30 June 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

Always Mr. Quotable, laugh along with Motor City Tedly:

The NRA board member, [infrequent] Fox News talking head and author of books [almost no one has read] such as Gods, Guns, And Rock 'N' Roll, Blood Trails 2 and Kill It & Grill It: A Guide To Preparing And Cooking Wild Game And Fish recently moved his family — his wife, Shemane, and the four kids — to Crawford, Texas because he liked the school system there.

"I share campfires [with] soldiers who have given up their legs and arms and eyes so that I can go hunting, so that you can have a career and I can have a career and we can go barbecuing and we could be the best that we can be and travel across state lines without the Gestapo and the French stopping us."

"There's nothing more pure and organic than critters of the hoof... If I've been smart about anything in life, it's that at the tender age of 57, there's not a city in America where there isn't one of my fellow brothers with something dead and fresh over mesquite waiting for me. Is that beautiful or what?"

"(The botanists) come to my ranch in Michigan every year, where I have a wonderful specialized wetlands known as a fen... the only piece of ecosystem in North America where the Mitchell's Satyr Butterfly is thriving, an endangered species everywhere, except on Ted Nugent's property."

On what he would do in the event of a "War of the Worlds"-like alien invasion: "I'm privy to some firepower dynamics that your average civilian is not and we would just wipe the (expletives) out. And then we'd probably sauté them and use them for bait and kill some bear over their carcasses."

"Since the Motown greats, I don't think I've ever seen such soul, such virtuosity in every one of those gals and every one of those musicians to the point that I was stunned and genuinely chilled by the soul and dynamic of that Destiny's Child operation."

George Smith, Monday, 11 July 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

has anyone heard the new pelican album?

the primordial one is growing on me a lot.

i wish absu would release something new soon.

cb, Friday, 22 July 2005 10:00 (twenty years ago)

i don't know nothing about pelican.

but i'm recommending everyone check out deathspell omega's kenose cd. 3 tracks, 36 minutes, sorta progressive black metal sans musical theater bits or synthesized orchestra hits. friend of mine said it sounded "too neurosis."

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 22 July 2005 10:20 (twenty years ago)

The new Pelican is...okay. If you like Pelican, you will like it. I should probably listen to it again. I don't even know what the street date is.

On another topic, I recently picked up an Australian import CD of Randy Holden's Population II, which is possibly the greatest late-60s/early-70s power guitar album on the planet. It's got eight bonus tracks, which are apparently another whole lost album called Guitar God. Anybody know about this? They're almost as good as the Population II stuff, but not quite as heavy. Any bio info anybody can offer would be appreciated. George?

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 22 July 2005 10:49 (twenty years ago)

the bonus tracks are an album that came out on captain trip records out of japan called, yup, guitar god. think they also did the sons of adam/fenders release with his pre-blue cheer work (he played on one side of new! improved! blue cheer, i think all three tracks were also on population II).

there's a good interview with randy here.

btw, same label (progressive line) did the silberbart four times sound razing reissue, which is heavy as hell and absolutely freaked out.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 22 July 2005 10:58 (twenty years ago)

good interview here, phil:

http://www.furious.com/perfect/randyholden.html

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 22 July 2005 10:59 (twenty years ago)

Ha! x-post-toastie with da sabor!

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 22 July 2005 11:00 (twenty years ago)

am i really the only person who digs that mistress album on earache? i listen to that thing a lot.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 22 July 2005 11:15 (twenty years ago)

xpost: I feel like the new Pelican record is a more uplifting retread of Australasia. I may be missing the point with it. Andrew Bonazelli has a great review in the new issue of Decibel where he sizes up the strengths and defects and airs on the sides of totally loving it. Reading that makes me want to go listen to it again.

ng, Friday, 22 July 2005 11:24 (twenty years ago)

I like Horna, the Confessor EP, Honky, and other stuff I can't think of right now.

xhuxk, Friday, 22 July 2005 13:04 (twenty years ago)

So I was reading the CREEM heavy metal special from 1981 this morning, because it was on the floor within sight of the bed. God, what a stupid, tired, unfunny, unlikeable, expense account bloated sack of rocks that magazine was at that point. I get confused by things like Psychotic Reactions into thinking CREEM was something special. Not usually. The ads were great, though -- buy a Gizmos 7" or join a suspicious Motorhead fan club based in St. Louis. Or buy a pill to give you a boner. Great stuff. Also great to see the source for DLR's often-quoted: "Critics like Elvis Costello because he looks like one of them."

The Gizmos are playing in Brooklyn tonight, one zip code away from the Villians/Khanate gig. rock rules, soul sucks.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Friday, 22 July 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

>the CREEM heavy metal special from 1981 <

The one with Rob Halford on the cover? Was that 1981? If so (as I remember) that was GREAT, Ian! They even called the Dictators, Runaways, and MX-80 Sound metal bands. And made fun of EVERYTHING. A big inspiration on my impending career. And everything the humorless maroons at most other metal magazines could never dream of being.

xhuxk, Friday, 22 July 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

just checked the "metal" file in my file cabinet; thought it might be in there. nope, but there's a heavy metal "creem close up" section from a few years later, with richard riegel, gregg turner, and sylive simmons picking the top 10 metal albums of the '60s (!!), '70s, and '80s respectively, and that looks pretty darn cool. also two totally classic early metal mike saunders metal roundups: one from phonograph record magazine from 1972, and one "heavy metal consumer guide" from around the same time, from some fanzine whose name I forget, under the fake byline "bobby crisco." {"Nitzinger" (Capitol). Great group. Great record. The blatant male chauvinism of 'Louisina Cock Fight' is disturbing, but I could sure look at their girl drummer all day. This may even be as good as "Who's Next." D Plus.}

xhuxk, Friday, 22 July 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

you are right to plug the gizmos, though, as am i:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0529,eddy,65956,22.html

xhuxk, Friday, 22 July 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

Novadriver!

And everything the humorless maroons at most other metal magazines could never dream of being.

Ahhh, the rapid rise and eventual fall of RIP.

George Smith, Friday, 22 July 2005 21:17 (twenty years ago)

i got some new earache stuff. the new municipal waste album is funny/cool. 80's thrashcore right down to the logo and cover art (and dave witte of discordance axis on drums!!! how many clunky thrash bands would have killed their granny for a drummer HALF as cool.)

also, the new beecher, which i'm digging. And yet more NeurIsis type stuff from Deadbird. lotsa distortion and maybe more of a longhair doom vibe to it than those other sweeping desert vista art-metal bands.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 July 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

i thought of listening to that municipal waste CD (which does have a funny album cover, scott is right!), but then i decided i probably wouldn't like it, so i didn't listen to it. maybe now i will, but i probably still won't like it, i bet. i did start listening to the deadbird in the rentacar last night, and it was sounding good, but sherman said "didn't we listen to this last week?" (nope, that was horna, sherman!), so i let him put on his jedi mind tricks CD instead. oh well.

xhuxk, Saturday, 23 July 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

How much you like Municipal Waste is entirely dependent on how much you like D.R.I. Since Dealing With It was reissued last year (or the year before), I have no use for the MW album.

Currently I'm loving the first two albums by the Mass, an Oakland quartet whose vocalist is also a saxophonist. Shades of Yakuza, but these guys are less thrashy and more harmolodic/funky - they get into some almost No Wave shit at times. Really solid stuff, both discs on Crucial Blast.

Got the new Skullflower recently too - wanted to like it, but it sucked.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 23 July 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

DRI??? Ooof..... will hate them for sure now.

xhuxk, Saturday, 23 July 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

And yet more NeurIsis type stuff

haha. i'm so glad someone else uses that tag...

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 23 July 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

i think that is a standard genre in decibel now. and probably other mags too. they don't sell metal mags where i live now. sadly. i know i've used it in reviews, and andrew used it in his pelican review and there are probably others. there are so many bands now that get 95% of their sound from those two bands, you gotta call them something.

how can anyone hate DRI?? yoo r crazy, chuck. they were my boyhood idols.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 24 July 2005 00:15 (twenty years ago)

I'm with Scott. I love D.R.I. I just don't need a new D.R.I., is all.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 24 July 2005 00:29 (twenty years ago)

with few exceptions (like, the first die kreuzen album i suppose) hardcore after 1981 made no sense to me at all. it was a joke that wore out its welcome really fast, i always thought. DRI just sounded dime a dozen to me.

Oddly, though, I apparently have no problem with dime a dozen NeurIsis bands, at least so far. I call them "ambient thrash," myself. Being generic is fine, as long as I like the genre. (At least for now. Dime a dozen Gathering/Lacuna Coil type bands finally started getting on my nerves last year.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 24 July 2005 01:23 (twenty years ago)

(though come to think of it, there have definitely been a *few* Neurisis style vista walkers who have bored me to tears. So maybe some are more generic than others.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 24 July 2005 01:33 (twenty years ago)

e.g.. cult of luna (if that's what they were called) and red sparrowes (if that's what they were called).

xhuxk, Sunday, 24 July 2005 01:34 (twenty years ago)

hey, they are ALL still better than Mogwai. I didn't care for that cult of luna album. the last one. i just reviewed the new swarm of the lotus album and i dig that a bunch. swarm definitely have the steve von till men's group drum circle vibe, but they mix things up nicely. the slow & heavy isis formula is the way to go for ex-hardcore kidz who don't have the chops to play tech-metal. no solos!

here is my zatokrev review:

Zatokrev – Zatokrev (Earache/Codebreaker)

It takes a band to fuck a village. Wait, no, it takes four bands. And wait, it’s not a village, it’s modern metal. And those bands aren’t fucking modern metal as much as they are “inspiring” it, for better or worse. And those four bands are At The Gates, Neurosis, Dillinger Escape Plan, and Converge. 73.8 percent of all new bands sound a little like one of those bands. Most of the rest either sound like a combination of those four or a combination of Darkthrone, Slayer, Napalm Death, and Gentle Giant. Zatokrev – which loosely translated from the original Czech means “all the best names were taken” – sound, at times, like very heavy Neurosis combined with very heavy Godflesh. And if you are anything like me - and if you are, you would be stoned right now - the idea of this combination has your shorts as soiled as your grandma’s bloomers after an all-nighter at the Polish-American club. Repetitious hypno-sludge riffs are a dime a dozen. As are down-tuned thru the floorboards bass players who miss your face by a mile. As are stuck-in-a-beartrap caterwauling garglepusses. As are doped up drummers forced at gunpoint to play four beats per minute. But, as any suicidal day trader will tell you, it’s all about synergy and the different ways that unforeseen market forces can make everything come together. That last Cult Of Luna album? As Neur/Isis knock-offs go, it didn’t do much for me. But the new Callisto album? Groovy like in the movies. Go figure! And I’m adding Zatokrev to my all-star doom squad. These Swiss misters have got the plod that keeps on giving. And their slow motion stomp and mock pain is definitely my gain.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 24 July 2005 02:30 (twenty years ago)

>hey, they are ALL still better than Mogwai. <

true dat, as the kids say, scott, true dat. ditto better than my bloody valentine, tortoise, whoever. if you're going to play meaningless non-rocking background elevator kitsch (which i will fully concede that neurois, isis, pelican, and their followers absolutely do), at least have some GRAVITY about it. which is to say be HEAVY. which is to say FILL UP the flucking background so i can read the paper or wash the dishes in piece. go all out, dudes (and dudesses).

xhuxk, Sunday, 24 July 2005 03:38 (twenty years ago)

I've been listening to Klimt 1918 non-stop. I'm an old man who's sold out. My tastes have come full circle.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Sunday, 24 July 2005 12:43 (twenty years ago)

Talked to the Gooze this afternoon who is a classic metal man. Found he liked Silvertide as much as me, so convinced to port a comment to this thread.

Manowar was able to fill the TLA in Philly. Startling, I would've though 100-150 at best. "Hail to England" is in BestBuy for $10.99 which is -----finally----- a reasonable price for it. It's a short album, about the highest point of -effective- Manowar death to false metal camp. Was produced by Jack Richardson, which means a lot if you were into hard and metal in the 70's, and -he's now, Jim- for a long time now, I thin'.

Krokus to tour in the US, as is Saxon, apparently skedded in places that hold about 150-200. And, I am informed, Metal Church live still is more than adequate, although principles are either dead or doing other things.

George Smith, Monday, 25 July 2005 04:52 (twenty years ago)

Saxon would be great to see. I like their recent music so much better than most of what they did in the mid- 80's and early 90's. I'm not a big Krokus fan (except for the first, entirely-different-members record), but I'd consider going anyway.

Pangolino 2, Monday, 25 July 2005 05:11 (twenty years ago)

I have no idea how someone can think this new Pelican album is good. At least it made me go back and listen to some old Mono records.

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Monday, 25 July 2005 06:46 (twenty years ago)

Krokus to tour in the US, as is Saxon, apparently skedded in places that hold about 150-200. And, I am informed, Metal Church live still is more than adequate, although principles are either dead or doing other things.

What we need is for the reunited Accept to tour North America, not just Europe.

a. begrand (a begrand), Monday, 25 July 2005 06:49 (twenty years ago)

Bought the new Darkest Hour this weekend. Why is it that albums Devin Townsend produces sound great, but Strapping Young Lad albums grate on me after the third play? (Actually, I think I listened to SYL about ten times before getting sick of it, but the new one, Alien, is crap. Meanwhile he's done terrific production work for Lamb of God, December and now Darkest Hour.)

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 25 July 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

And, I am informed, Metal Church live still is more than adequate

Go see for yourself and cut that sentence in half -- they're playing the Continental this month.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Monday, 25 July 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

Serbia metal: Alogia's "Secret Spheres of Art," came out end of April, just was sent to me. They sound like they listened to a lot of Virgin Steele and Savatage. Wasn't Savatage enamored of Serbia at one point, the keyboard playing Oliva writing a rock opera about Xmas in wartime in Bosnia/Herzegovina, which the Bosnian Serbs had something to do with? I dunno. Sure sounds like they soaked up some of that operatic power metal angst, plus Virgin Steele's "House of Atreus, Part II," not "Part I.

George Smith, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 00:28 (twenty years ago)

I'm in love with the Coffins record, Mortuary in Darkness. That is all.

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 00:40 (twenty years ago)

So the Red Sparowes record is not worth checking out?

How about Old Man Gloom?

earlnash, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

old man gloom are definitely worth checking out if you like neurisis. i haven't heard the red sparowes album, but they were good live.

dan (dan), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

Got the new Totimoshi album recently. It's produced by Alex Newport (formerly of Fudge Tunnel) and sounds like Tad (best band of the whole "grunge" movement).

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

New Witchcraft, as good as the previous Witchcraft. Still doing the totally authentic recreation of '71-72 hard rock, only rivalled by old men recording their SG guitar noise onto hard disks in their back rooms. More of a "Paranoid" Black Sabbath/Captain Beyond (2nd album, "Suff Breathless" as much as the first) vibe on this one than the Uriah Heep/Pentagram thing of the last, although the diff is subtle.

Saint Vitus "Live" on Southern Lord, was originally issued on a German label in 1989, or thereabouts. At some theatre outside Munich across from a jaegers' lodge/restaurant. Of the CDs I have, Saint Vitus is one of the few that owns codeine-spiked -cough syrup- as an adjective. And they even play semi-fast, for them, on this one. Weinrich on vocals for this, not Reaghers. I preferred Reaghers but Weinrich turned Saint Vitus into more of an instro band, which was OK, too. Although this crap is now common, it was more effective when it was performed by total pariahs.

George Smith, Thursday, 28 July 2005 01:37 (twenty years ago)

Another thing worth mention re Witchcraft is the main man's facility for writing SONGS in the hard rock idiom. Totally different that the same thing for the pop idiom. The closest thing for comparison is debut Jethro Tull, "Benefit" and "Aqualung" sans flute. Also Hookfoot produced by Gus Dudgeon, numerous US hard rock band with slight "hippy" sound ca. '69 - '73, ala someone who would have thought to perform "Sandman" by America with fuzztone on the rhythm guitar.

References: Highway Robbery, Bang, Bull Angus, some Stray Dog, most Stray, Hard Stuff.

George Smith, Thursday, 28 July 2005 06:14 (twenty years ago)

The original Saint Vitus "Live" album, not the Southern Lord upgrade, reprinted part of a hand-drawn Vitus interview from the incredible Jersey zine Flesh + Bones. The best feature I remember from that mag's brief brilliant reign was a review of a Uriah Heep/Aerosmith/Soundgarden arena show in the year 2020 or something, with Aerosmith preaching a sobriety message and Soundgarden headlining -- both hilarious ideas back in 1988. I need to revisit those pages and learn more about how the future will turn out.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Thursday, 28 July 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

Plus, this just in:

http://www.whiplashmag.net/clanky/images/dabluv_hlas.jpg

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Thursday, 28 July 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

Wounded Bird reissues of More's "Warhead" and "Blood & Thunder." Meat and potatoes heavy metal. The first wound up being produced by Brownsville Station/Blackfoot's management, unusual for a Brit band on the edge of the NWOBHM. Cover of "Fire" and the title cut were the best. Singer was Paul Day, a very Iron Maiden-esque throat.

Second, "Blood & Thunder," guitarist Kenny Cox sacked the entire band and replaced with new guys, who sounded much the same as the old guys, except with rougher production. The rougher production made the album better by degrees. Good instrumental, "The Eye." Title cut again leads the way.

Usual generation gap caveats apply to fans of current things.

George Smith, Thursday, 4 August 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

Got Asguard's Dreamslave in today's mail. Ambitious black metal (lots of strings - think Satyricon or Dimmu) from Belarus. I'm liking it. On This Dark Reign.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 4 August 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

BTW, good job on the Earth piece, Phil. The Josh Hunt material was fascinating. It's worth a story itself -- the basis of his criminal enterprise, what kind of money is made defrauding bidders on eBay, how he got into grift as a way of life with a small indie record business on the side.

George Smith, Thursday, 4 August 2005 23:01 (twenty years ago)

I kept giving the new Nile a chance, 'cause some headz said it was tite 'n' shit, and be damned if it hasn't grown on me. It took a while - the production style isn't usually what I go for in DM, it's so high-end - but I like the album a LOT better than I did on first listen.

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 4 August 2005 23:40 (twenty years ago)

so i dunno, you tell me:

http://villagevoice.com/music/0532,eddy,66650,22.html

xhuxk, Saturday, 6 August 2005 04:36 (twenty years ago)

You need to go back upthread a little and read what I said about the Mass and Yakuza, two thrashy mathcore type bands with sax-playing vocalists. Yakuza are a little weirder (they toss Tibetan throat singing in there too), but the saxophonist from the Mass takes better solos, at least on their first album City Of Dis. The upcoming Yakuza album, which I haven't heard yet, supposedly features guest appearances by Fred Lonberg-Holm and a bunch of other Chicago-area improv/jazz/whatever types. Plus, Bruce Lamont (the vocalist/saxman in question) played a gig with Borbetomagus back in '04, which I have a CD-R of.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 6 August 2005 10:51 (twenty years ago)

Brutal Truth covered a Sun Ra song and drummer Rich Hoak put out a couple of Arkestra performances on his CD-R label. But Yakuza, who Phil sited above, are totally the best example of cross-pollination.

ng, Saturday, 6 August 2005 11:27 (twenty years ago)

Chuck I am completely stoked to see Horna on your list, they've been one of my favorite black metal bands for several years! I had this (probably erroneous) idea that you were pretty down on the holler-n-growl schools of black'n'deather.

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Saturday, 6 August 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

Nah, not an erroneous idea at all banana.... But thing is, I'm only down on, like, 99 percent of it! There's always that one percent where melody or groove overcomes all the idiotic barfing! Horna seem to have some of both, oddly.

xhuxk, Saturday, 6 August 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

I'm listening to the new Opeth for the first time. They've made touring keyboardist Per Wilberg a full-time bandmember, and while he's hardly a dominant voice, the music does seem a little more spacious and atmospheric than Deliverance was. Oh, and the first cut, "Ghost Of Perdition," has some weird group vocal chanting that almost could have come off an early-70s Popol Vuh or Amon Duul II album.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 6 August 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I'm really enjoying the new Opeth album. "The Grand Conjuration" is one of my favourite metal tracks of the year so far.

Oh, and the new stuff sounds great live.

a. begrand (a begrand), Saturday, 6 August 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

Here's a link to a piece on Thor from this week's Cleveland Scene. I reviewed the new Schoolyard Heroes album there, too. Didn't like it much.

The new Agoraphobic Nosebleed double-disc (only 77 minutes of music total, but 136 songs, so impossible to fit on a single CD unless you hid a bunch of 'em as backwards tracks) is great. A collection of all their early split singles, 7"s, comp tracks, and demos. Also, if you go to their website (www.agoraphobicnosebleed.com) you can download a track they did with Isis - a version of the Melvins' "Boris." It's pretty great; I'm certainly enjoying it more than any Melvins song I've ever heard.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 14 August 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

Agoraphobic Nosebleeds are on that new Melvins trib (starring:Isis/Agoraphobic as "Boris"; Dillinger,"Honey Bucket"; Strapping Young Lad,"Zodiac"; Mastodon, "The Bit"; Pig Destroyer,"Claude"; High On Fire/Keelhaul,"Oven"; Disengage,"Raise A Paw"[best song title]; Dog fashion Disco [sic,and best band name],"Anaconda; and a cast of thousands). Anybody heard it yet? Was glad to see George all over that new Alvin Youngblood Hart (would have liked his guitar to be all over it too). Hart's done everything from western swing to Beefheart, but I've usually heard him solo acoustic on Beale Street Caravan, so great for them to have him with the band on this album, just before I saw George's review. BSC usually has this kind of heavy blues and blues rock (yall can check it on the WuhWuh).Rough sound, cos they go out and retrieve big chunks of festival and club sets, from the likes of: Eric Sardinas, Govt Mule, Tinsley Ellis, Jimmy Thackery, Little Charlie and the Nightcaps, Bernard Allison,Peter Green, Mick Taylor; ones from the vault like Albert Collins and Stevie Ray. (locals incl. Jim Dickinson, and his sons' band, North Mississippi All-Stars)

don, Sunday, 14 August 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)

Where's this Earth piece? I'll try to track it down. The new Earth CD turns me off so far. Gavin + Delia's CD on Astralwerks is much better.

I was looking forward to recommending the new Between the Buried & Me; the last one was awesome mash-up of metalcore and pure technical death metal. The latest is much clearer, so it lapses into power metal territory more befitting the musicial proficiency. Still more interesting than the 2nd Necrophagist, which pulled a similiar clean-up act.

I'm into the two Byzantine songs I've heard. Great that this is what passes for commercial metal these days; technical Testament/Meshuggah inspired Appalachian tales.

Was Countdown Cafe a Dutch tv show? I just got a live audio of Mercyful Fate from that series. Mercyful Fate circa 1983 is terrifying and great.

I've been in awe of this guy all day, Harris Johns, the producer behind Dimension Hatross, the guy who gave Away a drum sampler and Piggy a guitar sound. Yes, that's a Sodom platinum award he's holding:


http://www.spiderhouse.de/english/HARRIS/platino250.jpg


Chuck, you'll be sad to hear that Carlo Little (once of Screaming Lord Sutch and the Roman Empire) has died. Here he is in a photo with Blackmore in the mid-60s:

http://www.deep-purple.net/othernews/savages.jpg


New Turbonegro produced by one Redd Kross' McDonald brothers still sounds exactly like the Didjits.

The Impaled Nazarene live CD woke me up -- I feel asleep on this amazing hyperspeed wall of noise about five years ago. There's also a great video on their web site featuring precision facist American-style cheerleaders doing fast routines with machine guns. I'm renewing my subscription.

Forget about Horna, will ya? There's a big world of crappy, low-end black metal out there, mostly with ten times the spirit. There's a Black Witchery / Conjuror split, a new Belfegor, probably 10 shitty Xastur releases... save your spit for the new Sunn black metal album.



Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Sunday, 14 August 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

er...Black Witchery/Conqueror split, sorry that Sodom platinum piece warped my memory glands...

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Sunday, 14 August 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

yeah but Ian none of those bands have the hooks Horna has

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Sunday, 14 August 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

Here is a link to the piece on Earth.

http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0526/050629_music_earth.php

Earl Nash (earlnash), Sunday, 14 August 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

all other metal is shit in comparing.

http://www.myspace.com/byzantum

Mr. Vas Djifrens (byzantum), Sunday, 14 August 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

so did anyone else get victor griffin's late for an early grave? given the love of biker rock i figured this one would be already discussed to death. wino's on it. c'mon!

and there's a new lugubrum album! heilige dwaze, their most dire, murky, sloppy one yet - with saxophone here and there, but i think the banjo's out.

Forget about Horna, will ya? There's a big world of crappy, low-end black metal out there, mostly with ten times the spirit.

exactly.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Sunday, 14 August 2005 23:28 (twenty years ago)

I've only listened twice, but so far enjoy thudding with Koma's Sinonimo De Ofender: smart Iberian cavemen, maybe even ancestors-once-removed of Gogol Bordello and Shukar Collective, judging by a couple of tracks(butt hedging bets with bits of same ol' shit in some others)

don, Monday, 15 August 2005 00:09 (twenty years ago)

so did anyone else get victor griffin's late for an early grave? given the love of biker rock i figured this one would be already discussed to death. wino's on it.

Wino's spreads himself thin, so I have to pick and choose and the "wino" fix for this year was the reprint of Saint Vitus "Live." It ain't great but it doesn't stink up the place, either. Easiest place to get a version of "Born Too Late." I had the first Place of Skulls, liked it, but then sold it anyway. Hmmmm.

As for additional biker rock, not metal but metal fans should surely like it, there is none more chopper than David Allan Coe's "Penitentiary Blues," mentioned over on the Country thread. "Walkin' Bum" is the bestest and mostest supercilious thing I've been given repeat listening to this year. Comes complete with Coe's advice on making it through prison. The year this originally came out he is said to have been taken on tour as opener for Grand Funk Railroad.

George Smith, Monday, 15 August 2005 00:30 (twenty years ago)

with Koma's Sinonimo De Ofender

I got sent a promotional copy of the sleeve. Hooray! Great CD sleeve!

George Smith, Monday, 15 August 2005 00:33 (twenty years ago)

Hooray! Great CD sleeve!

Has been said many times with gusto about LATE FOR AN EARLY GRAVE, using the "LP" in place of your nu-fangled descriptor.


Go for the Villians 7" -- that's a given.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Monday, 15 August 2005 07:26 (twenty years ago)

In other news, Hellfest is cancelled.

Je4nne ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Thursday, 18 August 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

I, Monarch has revealed itself as the drivin'-around-on-a-summer-day-with-the-volume-way-up pick 2 click for August

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 18 August 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

Slipknot v. Burger King. Guess they didn't realize how much they looked like pissed-off chickens until they turned on the TV one day. (I dunno; I think the guy who's really got a legal case is the singer from Cafe Tacuba, who's been wearing a chicken-like wool cap on stage for several years now.)

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 18 August 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

yeah, new hate eternal is the first thing i've liked by them. and the video is great, i love erik rutan's apocalyptic o-face.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 19 August 2005 00:35 (twenty years ago)

New ridiculous novelty-grindcore CD that I'm not remotely convinced anybody will ever actually enjoy listening to, though parts of the booklet might be entertaining: Agorophic Nosebleed

New ambient-thrash CD at least as dull as Red Sparrowes or Cult of Luna (but a lot easier to listen to than Agorophbic Nosebleed): Life of Agnony

New York indie boys and Siren Fest vets pretending to be the Darkness and/or Queen and/or Van Halen, getting a catchy riff in here and there, but winding up sounding way too thin nonetheless: Diamond Nights

Ohio-turned-New York indie boys (just two of 'em, allegedly former pentacostals) whose new CD rocks in a halfway decent kind of stoner-metal/power-metal/speed-metal hybrid despite being on Matador: Early Man

xhuxk, Sunday, 21 August 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

>New ambient-thrash CD at least as dull as Red Sparrowes or Cult of Luna (but a lot easier to listen to than Agorophbic Nosebleed): Life of Agnony<

Woops, I got their name wrong; it's Angel of Decay. (I have no idea who Life of Agony are; I'm pretty sure they're *somebody* though.)

And the novely grindcore jokers (sans punchlines) are AGOROPHOBIC Nosebleed, duh. (I think somewhere in the booklet it says they cover a Voivod song, but maybe I wasn't reading closely enough. And since all their "songs" last about 8 seconds, I doubt it really matters.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 21 August 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

(They should start an ad campaign: "Agorophobic Nosebleed: Even shittier than Pig Destroyer!" I bet they would sell lots of records!)

xhuxk, Sunday, 21 August 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

(and btw, I'm not really doubting the claim above of pdf -- who wrote a spec review there's a good chance I will eventually run in the *Voice* -- that he actually likes the band. I'm not saying he's lying or anything. I just really have trouble understanding *why* anybody would listen to them. I mean, I like them in *theory*, I suppose. They're a goofy *idea*, if not exactly a new one. But at least Pig Destroyer had that one 20-minute Muzak cut one could actually play in the background. And at least Bathtub Shitter have hooks.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 21 August 2005 18:58 (twenty years ago)

Life of Agony sort of invented emo, I think; they played this super-overwrought doomy metalcore, over which their singer (who's about two feet tall, and looks like a reject from Crime and the City Solution or something) moaned endlessly about how his daddy never loved him enough. WSOU used to play them pretty much constantly in the mid-90s. They recently released a new album, which if the single is any indication is even worse than their old stuff. That Angel of Decay thing is okay, but for semi-creepy instrumental stuff, I'd rather listen to the two-disc Ennio Morricone comp I got from Ipecac.

I may be sending you something on the new Avenged Sevenfold, Chuck. It fits right into the whole "New Old Metal" thing I started talking about in the Trivium review. Might even be worth a longer piece, incorporating Black Dahlia Murder and Darkest Hour. Have to see how it shapes up in my head.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 21 August 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

Oh, and Agoraphobic Nosebleed actually share members with Pig Destroyer.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 21 August 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

Avenged Sevenfold..."New Old Metal" thing I started talking about in the Trivium


You can start talking that way about Byzantine, while you're at it.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Sunday, 21 August 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

Woops, I got their name wrong; it's Angel of Decay

Ambient thrash? That was classic 80's noise band, technically -- noise guy since it's really one person -- recorded on multi-track cassette machine stuff but with much better cover art. The stuff is right in there with the Mnemonists, who were also big on cover art, so as to distract you into thinking you were getting real art, rather than just plain old noise. Sure you don't mix this up with Disembowelment?

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 21 August 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

I still don't know if I like that new Avenged Sevenfold yet. Some of the melodies sound too punk, which is a really odd fit on a metalcore album.

I find it impossible to hate the Black Dahlia murder album, but the more I listen to it, the more I think it seems to underachieve a little. Darkest Hour does the same death/thrash thing just a bit better.

And holy crap, is the new Grand Magus album ever good. Comes close to matching the great Candlemass comeback album.

a. begrand (a begrand), Sunday, 21 August 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)


I think of Avenged Sevenfold as a big wad of bubblegum in the middle of a juicy hamburger. So much great melodic thrash leading to cloying Warp tour choruses. But there's a reason they've sold about a quarter-million of those things so far.

Google "Sharon Osbourne" "Bruce Dickinson" "prick" for soundclips from Saturday's send-off/piss-off of Iron Maiden on Ozzfest.

Maiden, by the way, currently holding down the #5 singles spot on the UK Top 40.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Sunday, 21 August 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

Life of Agony sort of invented emo, I think; they played this super-overwrought doomy metalcore, over which their singer (who's about two feet tall, and looks like a reject from Crime and the City Solution or something) moaned endlessly about how his daddy never loved him enough.

heh. spot on. first song i ever heard by them was literally about how the singer's father "had time but didn't have time for me!" awful, awful band - i believe the drummer from type o negative quit that band to join LOA. good career move.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Sunday, 21 August 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

>Woops, I got their name wrong; it's Angel of Decay
Ambient thrash? That was classic 80's noise band, technically -- noise guy since it's really one person -- recorded on multi-track cassette machine stuff but with much better cover art. <

Nah, weird -- I don't even think I read the press release; the cover art sure looks metal. All of which goes to show that "NeuroIsis" style metal muzak whatsis and "classic '80s noise" might be closer categories than they've ever been before. So, hmmm...maybe I should listen to thing more. I didn't even know it was just one guy! Though I'm not sure how much more classic '80s noise type stuff I need. Unless they wind up sounding like Smegma or Amor Fati, which might be cool, since I haven't had those weirdos in my house for 15 plus years.

xhuxk, Sunday, 21 August 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

they wind up sounding like Smegma

Way closer to this than NeurIsis. Map to early SPK, Monte Cazazza, some Throbbing Gristle, said Mnemonists, maybe Whitehouse, some selections from Smersh.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 21 August 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

Ozzfest vs. Iron Maiden.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 21 August 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

Google "Sharon Osbourne" "Bruce Dickinson" "prick" for soundclips from Saturday's send-off/piss-off of Iron Maiden on Ozzfest.

Hilarious stuff. And real classy behaviour by Sharon, too.

Cutting power, tinkering with the mix, having the band egged...the lady is a lunatic.

a. begrand (a begrand), Sunday, 21 August 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

>they wind up sounding like Smegma...Way closer to this than NeurIsis. Map to... some selections from Smersh.<

I totally have Smegma and Smersh mixed up in my memory now, too. Were they related? Either way, I probably thought of them as the exact same band.

xhuxk, Sunday, 21 August 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

The final track listing has been announced for the MELVINS tribute album, "We Reach: The Music of the Melvins", due on August 23 via Fractured Transmitter Records. It is as follows:

MARE – "Nightgoat"
THE DILLINGER ESCAPE PLAN - "Honey Bucket"
MASTODON - "The Bit"
STRAPPING YOUNG LAD - "Zodiac"
PIG DESTROYER - "Claude"
HIGH ON FIRE/KEELHAUL - "Oven"
MEATJACK - "Shevil"
* STRAPADON FACTORY – "Joan of Arc" *
ISIS/AGORAPHOBIC NOSEBLEED - "Boris"
ABSENTEE - "Revolve"
EYEHATEGOD - "Easy as It Was"
DOG FASHION DISCO - "Anaconda"
DISENGAGE - "Raise a Paw"
BLESSING THE HOGS – "Hogleg"
CKY/GNARKILL - "Laughing With Lucifer At Satan’s Sideshow"
MARITIME MURDER - "Copache"
MADE OUT BABIES - "Bar X and The Rocking M"
PINCER 2 – "Echohead/Don’t Piece Me"

* featuring members of FEAR FACTORY, STRAPPING YOUNG LAD and MASTODON

Anyone heard this yet?

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Sunday, 21 August 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

So what do people here think of HYPOCRISY? I am listening to their new *Virus* CD now, and I am pretty sure I approve of its lipsticked and lacquered fancy pants take on power-goth metal. I think I may have given previous CDs by them the thumbs up, too, unless I'm confusing them with somebody, which is a distinct possibility.

For that matter, what do people think of KOVENANT? They may or may not be the band I'm confusing earlier Hypocrisy CDs with. (Actually, I think that band started with "C." But they weren't COVENANT, who are a decent goth-industrial act not a decent goth-metal one.) (I am also pretty sure that band were Germans. Or Scandinavians. They put out a two-CD career retrospective a couple years ago. Who were they??)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 August 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)

S/D: Covenant

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)

xpost: I think I might maybe know exactly what you're talking about, if it matters. Or whatever.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

Yon PsycheDoomThreadstarter wants something that sounds like it listened to Can, and not just Sabs.

don, Tuesday, 23 August 2005 23:10 (twenty years ago)

wait! stop the presses! i think they were called CREMATORY (as in a place where cow's milk is converted to cream?!) could that be right? are they confusable with Hypocrisy at all???

xhuxk, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 02:16 (twenty years ago)

Do you/did they try to refer to a place of cremation (cow's milk high on fire, creaming its genes)?

don, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 03:03 (twenty years ago)

I liked Catch 22, which was two Hypocrisy albums ago. I didn't like the follow-up, which was glossier and all about aliens. Haven't listened to the new one yet.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 11:05 (twenty years ago)

Catch 22 was pretty great, really over-the-top, and was the last I heard from Hypocrisy, whose name annoys me for some reason

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 11:23 (twenty years ago)

Just posted this on the rolling country thread, but as with lotsa heavy boogie this year (see also: Headhunters, Honky, Howling Diablos, David Allan Coe), it applies here too, so what the hell:

>Country-associated album of the week though is *The Mighty Jeremiahs* (Paradigm Shift/Ear X-Tacy Records), which is Kentucky Headhunter guitarguy Greg Martin's covers-and-originals gospel-metal side project, and George and Frank and Don HAVE to hear this thing: "Shadrach, Meschach, and Abednego" and "Testify" for starters kick as hard and heavy as anything on *Big Boss Man* (maybe even its title cut), there's a beautiful Southern Rock guitar solo version of "Revelator" toward the end (before the more bleh last cut "It's Been a Good Day."), and all in all it may be the hardest rocking Christian rock I've ever heard -- and its more wall-to-wall heavily boogiefied than the Headhunters' album, too. I actually think it's the better CD of the two.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 11:56 (twenty years ago)

(actually, come to think of it, there is probably some christian rock -- post-Sabbath-style, especially -- that I don't generally think of as "christian rock." but this is way up there on the list, regardless.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 12:14 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I'm really enjoying the new Opeth album

Can't wait to hear this.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 13:08 (twenty years ago)

new Dark Funeral album front cover:

http://www.darkfuneral.se/skivomslag/RR070_preview.jpg

On a scale of 1 to 100 how METAL is this front cover ?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

My better half's been jogging with the new Opeth album twice already. She loves it. Five minutes into hearing one track off it the other day, she said "They sound different--Did they get a new member?" I hadn't noticed; I was thinking it was just another nice Opeth album. But sure enough, they're now a fivesome, fifth guy being a mellotron player. Me, I like the album just fine, though oddly I'm finding the thrash-growl vocals more compelling than the Porcupine Tree I mean Pink Floyd style crooning parts. But it'll grow more on me, I'm sure.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

>>1 to 100

don, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

New Backbiter double CD is the best thing that band has ever recorded. They're a trio and lots of it sound like first album Rush, you know, before Rutsey was sacked in favor of the Ayn Rand-reading guy. You have to hear it Chuck. I'm betting Jon Hall is sending you a copy but if you don't have it already or get it soon, let me know and I'll have him get a copy out to you.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

The Dream is Dead: "11 tracks of turbulent hardcore. Unafraid to tackle unpopular social and political topics." Can't tell what the topics are without a lyric sheet but I did hear the vocalist shout "Fuck that!" and "your fucked up ideas" once. Proof they and their audience were ripped off by the public school system. Great downtuned metalcore guitar sound and the bass playing you like so much, the kind that begins songs "bum-bum-bum-de-de-bum" and repeats that riff fast in the middle as a bridge where the guitars and drums don't play. Worthless. The kind of band I had to cover at the newspaper about three times a month years ago, so often that I wanted to lynch myself as much as the bands did.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

The guy who runs that label is a friend of mine, so I was gonna give him the benefit of the doubt and play it, but it really does look awful.

Just finished transferring Borbetomagus's Live In Allentown cassette to CD. I think this might be the rarest item in their catalog; it's not even listed in the discography in the back of their Live In Tokyo disc, and that one's got everything right down to old 7"s. I've had the tape for 18 years or so, ever since I read about it in Byron Coley's Spin column and made a special pilgrimage to Bleecker Bob's (my first time there!) to get it. It's not metal, exactly, though there are some almost-riffs from the bass player, but whatever it is, it pretty much embodies the phrase "ass-rapingly great."

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

So what do people here think of HYPOCRISY? I am listening to their new *Virus* CD now, and I am pretty sure I approve of its lipsticked and lacquered fancy pants take on power-goth metal. I think I may have given previous CDs by them the thumbs up, too, unless I'm confusing them with somebody, which is a distinct possibility.

I'm liking the album quite a bit, a cool bit of metals black and power. It seems to be going in the kind of sirection that Angela Gossow apparently wanted Arch Enemy to. AE's got the solos, but Virus has the songs.

The Opeth album just keeps getting better the more I hear it...

a. begrand (a begrand), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

The guy who runs that label is a friend of mine, so I was gonna give him the benefit of the doubt and play it, but it really does look awful.

The execution is great if that's any positive consolation. Of course, that has to be a given with the form.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)

New Backbiter double CD is the best thing that band has ever recorded.

i'm intrigued - where can i find more info?

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Thursday, 25 August 2005 08:38 (twenty years ago)

There's very little -- make that none that I could find -- mention on the net. The only thing at Amazon is an old split CD on Man's Ruin, which is fine, but not nearly as crushing as the new one.

Since it's on their own label distribution may be scant. I haven't seen it in stores out here although I presume it will be at Amoeba. I will probably make the record release party or get e-mail from Jonathan Hall, the guitarist, and I'll ask him how copies can be secured if you're outside LA County.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 25 August 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)

I need to hear that Backbiter thing.

Don't need to hear Khanate any more though. Never tried before; just attempted *Capture & Release* and didn't make it through the thing. What a suckass wicked-witch routine that singer has. And I don't get it; they're supposed to be mega-heavy droners like Sunno)))))) or whoever? I don't hear a groove; what are you supposed to grab onto?

xhuxk, Thursday, 25 August 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

They were intentionally trying to be less boogie with this one.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Thursday, 25 August 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

Why do my posts cut off--keeping it brief: mixed on Mighty Js, but thee heavy xtian guitars heaven yeah; mixed on KHs too, but George right about "I'm Down", which reminds me of Mule's "She Said She Said", and now I even wonder about Beatallica?

don, Thursday, 25 August 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)

How about this for Backbiter?

http://pw1.netcom.com/~chrisp/Backbiter/order_info.html

Sang Freud (jeff_s), Thursday, 25 August 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

Just heard a couple cuts off the new Coheed and Cambria. So what's the consensus: Do people think they sound more like Prism, or more like Saga? I can't decide which, but I'm pretty sure it's one of those (though probably not as catchy as Prism were, though.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 25 August 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

kerrang awards write up :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4185168.stm

mark e (mark e), Thursday, 25 August 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

The Backbiter page on netcom.com hasn't been updated in years. Originally, it referred to the first CD which is now at least six years old, I thin.' You can still find copies of the Man's Ruin split although it's out of print.

Chuck, I'll give Jonathan Hall a head's up. In the same seam as Backbiter is Motorcycle Black Madonnas new CD, which is Jonathan Hall's girlfriend as front person for Backbiter-like band, featuring Backbiter guitar. It's more art but basically the same kind of rock. Thrown down virtually live in the studio, very mid-70's particularly as the band warms up.

Went down to Amoeba and it was a banner day. I'm gonna report more but suffice to say George Brigman & Split have finally made it to CD age with "I Can Hear the Ants Dancing," which isn't quite the same as the original "I Can Hear the Ants Dancing" (I think) or "Human Scrawl Vagabond," but is a good collection. And it's on Bona Fide, so I'm guessing The Left will get a reissue job too, maybe. So if you're into heavy Groundhogs, you're going to want to look for George Brigman.

And reissue of J. D. Blackfoot's "The Ultimate Prophecy," Stoney Curtis Band's "Acid Blues Experience" through wall of Hiwatt stacks, and Jericho Jones (Israeli proto-metal ca. 72 ? I thin') "Junkies, Monkey and Donkeys." Going to be a burnt chrome and cindery Thursday night. Oh, my back's aching already.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 25 August 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

J. D. Blackfoot's "Ultimate Prophecy," hah-hah, major record labels were daring in 1972. What was the first side only hints at the berserk spazz waiting to spring at you on side two. We start with standard 72 loud rock, maybe good for David Allan Coe fans into the boogie or suitable as opener for Grand Funk. Then ... crazy hard rock opera about death and cycles spills out of the guy's head. Death is life is one nutso bit of shouting, then he's waiting to be born and everyone winds up staring at the sun as the guitars crash. Mixes ham-handed stabs at Byrdsy-rock played with Mark Farner guitar, the drummer is intense, overplaying to nail it all together for the dope smokers in black T's. Blackfoot does a good impression of a demented street person. Years later when out of print, play on New Zealand radio stations made him a hero there. I can't figure it out. Did it resonate with the Maoris?

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 25 August 2005 22:03 (twenty years ago)

playing hypocrisy's new album again. turns out i like the depresso sad-monster cuts (e.g., "incised before i've ceased") much more than the attempts to make the ogre sound tough and angry. they're best as goths, i think. but there does seem to be *some* stateliness to more thrashing power metal cuts, maybe.

xhuxk, Thursday, 25 August 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)

Just heard a couple cuts off the new Coheed and Cambria. So what's the consensus: Do people think they sound more like Prism, or more like Saga? I can't decide which, but I'm pretty sure it's one of those (though probably not as catchy as Prism were, though.)

-- xhuxk (xedd...), August 25th, 2005.

i think they sound more like shit, personally.

latebloomer's rectal mocha latte (latebloomer), Friday, 26 August 2005 01:37 (twenty years ago)

ugh, sorry.

latebloomer: has a gila monster lodged up his ass tonight for some reason (late, Friday, 26 August 2005 01:38 (twenty years ago)

I really enjoy the Dream is Dead album! I must be thickheaded or something, I found it a real toetapper

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Friday, 26 August 2005 02:39 (twenty years ago)

haha latebloomer stole my line. i wouldn't apologize, though.

jericho jones! great album!

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 26 August 2005 04:38 (twenty years ago)

Yah. Jericho Jones bowled me over. Howling singer and very loud Jeff Beck guitar but with prog flourishes on the original cuts. Bonus materal was even more punishing, as if the band had been shamed by Foghat or Nugent's first solo album and decided to up the volumne, violence and velocity. Whatever that was made for -- excellent example of unreleased material that was top fuel. I bet they were demoralized and decided to bag it.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 26 August 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

actually i think they changed their name to just "jericho" at some point, moved to the UK and kept going. think they released at least one album, might be where the bonus tracks came from?

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 26 August 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

Nope, apparently not. I looked in Popoff's 70's Rock book and the second album, under Jericho, gets a higher rating. However, he caveats it with the bonus tracks on the CD reissue of the first as being the heaviest the and best the band recorded.

There were a bunch of things I was looking at but saved for a differnet trip. One was a record by Golgotha. Know anything about 'em?

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 26 August 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

*The Rough Guide to Heavy Metal* just showed up in the mail. Randomly paging through, I noticed long-ish entries for Voivod, Love/Hate, Girlschool, Hanoi Rocks, Uriah Heep, Ted Nugent, Nickelback, Nightwish, Lacuna Coil, Jet, Entombed, and Lynyrd Skynyrd (which means their definition of heavy metal is healthily broad), but not Sir Lord Baltimore, Funkadelic, Kix, Teena Marie, Bang, Dust, or the Gathering. (Have no idea how good and/or horrible the writing is.)

xhuxk, Friday, 26 August 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

(it's a book rough guide, not a compilation CD rough guide, btw)

xhuxk, Friday, 26 August 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

How could they leave out all that!!! Seriously. Wasn't Jerico Jones orig. The Churchills? (Was an Israeli rock thread on here one time; don't know if it survived crashes.) Good to see that description (dug Groundhogs, but didn't get into Brigman so much on wrong-smell-of-vinyl; better on CD, hopefully, and at this rate on download by 2525)

don, Friday, 26 August 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

Yes, Jericho Jones was the Churchills! Better than Leaf Hound, even, a lot better, in fact. I'm ranking them well above Lucifer's Friend, too. Man, the unreleased stuff goes wham for that time, ca. '71-72.

The Brigman CD is less Groundhogs-like than "Human Scrawl Vagabond," exceptionally high on fuzztone hard sludge jazzoid and psychedelic instrumentals.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 26 August 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

Write-ups on Nightwish and Lacuna Coil, but not The Gathering? Not too bright.

a. begrand (a begrand), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)

Wanna hear something even funnier? They included Evanescence! (No Lullacry, though.) The Gathering should sue, either way.

xhuxk, Friday, 26 August 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

Wait--NICKELBACK!!!!!!!!??????Evanescence(@#$%)And they left out---whowrotethat???????????????????????????????///////////////////////////

don, Saturday, 27 August 2005 03:13 (twenty years ago)

But did they include Crash Test Dummies? Doesn't Peter Steele of Type O Negative sing for them?

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Saturday, 27 August 2005 05:39 (twenty years ago)

Live are in there too! And Meat Loaf (oops, he's also in MY metal book.) And so many marginal Australians -- Silverchair, Datsuns, D4, Jet again, some group I never heard of called Berzerker, not to mention Rose Tattoo yay! but not Angel City for some reason -- that I'm convinced the writer might have down-under connections. No Meshuggah, though. But Foreigner made it, wow! Interesting. The writing pretty much stinks, but I'm still kinda fascinated by their weird selection methods.

xhuxk, Sunday, 28 August 2005 01:18 (twenty years ago)

(writer or WRITERS, I mean. Reviews may or may not be unsigned; I forgot to check.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 28 August 2005 01:21 (twenty years ago)

jeez--do they have Seven Mary Three, Three Doors Down, Korn, Creed, The Guess Who, Accept,Midnight Oil, The Great Kat, Stryper, Petra, Frankie Goes To Hollywood (the guitarist said he considered his playing metal when he could slip it in)

don, Sunday, 28 August 2005 02:15 (twenty years ago)

korn, creed, accept yes; those others i don't think so, though i'll correct myself if i learn otherwise. no warrant either, which is stupid. but five or six pages on the great wildhearts, one of the longest entries in the book oddly enough! and a decent-sized entry on orange goblin, surprisingly, but no entries for mars volta or mastodon (both of whom are nonetheless mentioned in a best drum solos list sidebar.) entries for blue cheer, free, and alice cooper, but not the mc5, iggy and the stooges, or brownsville station. and fairly humorous captions throughout, and some funny lemmy quotes here and there (e.g., the black sabbath entry opens with him saying he never liked them much.) useless entries on useless nonentities like coal chamber and fear factory, yuck. and more aussies i never heard of called the casanovas, hmmm

also they don't like celtic frost's great *cold lake,* metallica's great "whiskey in the jar," and ufo's great first couple albums, the ingrates.

xhuxk, Sunday, 28 August 2005 03:19 (twenty years ago)

by the way, completely coincidentally, i bought a petra best-of CD for $2 in princeton today. never heard them before. the first song is super duper catchy! something about stand up for jesus, and hopes that everybody sees us....

xhuxk, Sunday, 28 August 2005 03:23 (twenty years ago)

also they don't like celtic frost's great *cold lake,*

Although it's one of the most reviled albums in metal history, I've alway been weirdly fascinated by "Cherry Orchards".

a. begrand (a begrand), Sunday, 28 August 2005 03:34 (twenty years ago)

oh yeah, they don't like alice cooper's *flush the fashion* either, the dumbies.

Also: No entries for Hawkwind, Helmet (but who cares), or Black Flag (though Rollins's pointless novelty/spoken-word/stand-up/bad-jazz-fusion career gets an entry, weirdly.) The Almighty (who I like a lot) get an entry, but Therapy? don't (but Terrorvision do, and they sound like I might like them. Would I? Didn't Therapy? have an album *called* Terrorvision once? Or am I confused as usual.) Mortiis gets one! Killing Joke do not. Almost every big-name late '90s rap-metal band gets one (Papa Roach, Disturbed, Linkin Park, Alien Ant Farm, Mudvayne, even Kid Rock) (but not the Beastie Boys or Run DMC -- too early I guess), and the entries for everybody from Def Leppard to Papa Roach list demo-style indenpendently released rare early EPs that nobody ever actually heard, but the Queens of Stone Age entry does not list their early Man's Ruin split EP with Beaver; does that mean my copy is highly e-bayable? I dunno. Also, oh yeah, Lemmy also dissses Kiss and Twisted Sister at the beginning of their entries, but not Skunk Anansie, who he apparently loved. Were they actually any good? I think I heard 'em once and decided no.

xhuxk, Sunday, 28 August 2005 12:54 (twenty years ago)

oh yeah, the author is one "Essi Berleman", whoever he or she is. The writing, it turns out, is sometimes fairly competent in an All Music Guide comprehensive blandness kinda way, with lots of dorky Brit (Aussie?) slang about how "cracking" certain records are. Most annoying stylistic quirk: Whenever Berleman wants to state even the most innocuous superlative, it winds up whitewashed thusly: ______ were undeniably ONE OF the biggest metal bands of their day." That "one of" is fricking everywhere. I blame a retarded copy editor or "fact" checker, but maybe that's letting Berleman off the hook. (Also: "Many critics would say..." a lot, before actual opinions are given. Grrrr.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 28 August 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

oops. Essi BERELIAN. I need a retarded fact checker too I guess.

xhuxk, Sunday, 28 August 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)

you are doing a really bad job of selling this book to me. meanwhile, i still don't own a copy of popoff's 70's book and this is unforgiveable. and i care about helmet! at least the one album. and i stand by my love for helmet's drummer.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 28 August 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

Alien Ant Farm

I could do a Rolling Stone "red book" synopsis of them.

Came to fame through ubiquity of annoying take on a Michael Jackson song and accompanying video. If you're someone who believes in a supreme being, he or she decided to take revenge by running their tour bus over a cliff, striking them with much more force than a smooth criminal.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 28 August 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

I like Skunk A., and Greg Tate raved about one of theirs in Voice. I wonder if book incl. comps? Like the NWBHM or whatever you call it that Lars finally managed to put together, after tracking down tapes claimed by disappearing managers, etc(originals of songs covered on Garage Inc, and more, I think)Heard it a couple times while working, we-uns was struck by how Punk it was, duh considering its timeline, but also no kneejerking against, basically (although those of that time might beg to differ, so I'll stay out of Wayback weekends for a while)

don, Sunday, 28 August 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

no comps, near as i can tell. (a sidebar on soundtracks, though. and lars faves budgie and diamond head do get entries.) (as do lars faves the misfits. which makes killing joke's exclusion even more curious, i'd say.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 28 August 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

[Hypocrisy] they're best as goths, i think.

Then proceed directly to "The Fourth Dimension" which shows them at their slowest and most brooding (try to get the version with the "The Abyss" bonus track which is a fantastic song).

Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

just got a nice album by You Will Die, an instrumental power-trio from Indianapolis. Very heavy and very nimble. I dig it. Plus, it's only 26 minutes, so i don't get bored. great riffs, great drummer. they follow the punk-derived "no solo" law though. which is kind of a shame.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 29 August 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

so, in the end, i guess that new hypocrisy album doesn't quite cut it. it'd be better if lasted only 26 minutes probably. "a thousand lies" and especially "fearless" are okay tracks, but maybe i should keep a lookout for their more goth stuff. or a best-of CD, maybe.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

so i didn't think there could possibly be another neurosis-flavored metal album that i like this year cuz i've already heard 30 of them and only liked 2 of those, but damned if the album by Minsk isn't pushing all my epic sandstorm metal buttons. It's a whopper!

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, that Minsk thing is pretty good. And the guy from Yakuza plays sax on the last track, which is a big plus.

In other news, some thoughts on the new Khanate.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah, Minsk is really good! Though didn't their press release say they were supposedly inspired by Hawkwind, Uriah Heep, and Dead Can Dance?? Not sure if I buy that, but I like the thing anyway -- Actually, you know who they kind of remind me of, Scott? Bloodstar!!

xp

Playing the new Fireball Ministry now. It sounds okay so far. But it seems maybe more Soundgarden than '70s; possibly not a good move...

xhuxk, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

i also like the new deathspell omega album (don't bother with it unless you love brutal black metal), but only after i listened to it on headphones a couple of times. i also like the new album by Ed Gein. (don't bother with it unless you love grindcore though.) Ed Gein had one of the greatest album titles of the last decade: It's A Shame That A Family Can Be Torn Apart By Something As Simple As A Pack Of Wild Dogs

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

I've heard bits of the new Exodus -- I expected nothing, but it's scarily perfect.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

Jesus H. Christ, I gave the last Fireball Ministry a good review and the Mitch Schneider Operation hasn't sent the new one. I'll tell ya,
at how to make friends and influence people, Dale Carnegie and Zig Ziegler would flunk 'em.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

I mean, wow, I'd have to go back and check their three or four earlier albums (or just consult George), but did the Fireball Ministry guy always sing in a constipated grunt over such leaden elephant trudge? I remember their old stuff being a lot catchier, but maybe I was just feeling more generous to stoner rock a few years ago.

xp

xhuxk, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

New One's on Liquor and Poker, George: 323-418-1400; pusher@liquorandpokermusic.com

Track #8 has some semblance of a Sabbath groove maybe. Sort of.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)

i had one of their albums on whatever label that was that novadriver was on, um, you know the one, but i never listened to it much.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

I had a buddy (you might remember him; fat guy, lots of tattoos, used to be on MTV) who swore up and down that Fireball Ministry were the greatest thing ever. I hated 'em, and never bothered arguing with him about it.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

They weren't hateable; they were a really good hard rock band. Or they sure sounded like one to me at the time. (And never really like "stoners," come to think of it.) My inclination is to think this new album is a dropoff, but I'll live with it and see what happens. (I'd still take it over that unlistenable new Khanate thing, though. Sorry, but the vocals on that are ridiculous, and not in a good way.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

A lot of people complain about Alan Dubin's voice, but I really like it. I think if Michael Gira had sounded like Dubin, early Swans would have been that much cooler.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

I remember their old stuff being a lot catchier, but maybe I was just feeling more generous to stoner rock a few years ago.

It was and, since I haven't actually heard the new one, the old stuff wasn't trudging. They released excellent versions of Alice Cooper's "Muscle of Love" and a couple Aerosmith songs. "King" was their best song and they released it on "FMEP" which was brief by stoner band standards and better for it. They rerecorded it for the last album. Live they were always very good, much better than the acts they tended to be paired with -- standard stoner fair like Men of Porn, Drunk Horse, Altamont (something Dale Crover had going), etc.

Since I haven't heard the new stuff, all bets are off.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

Altamont has a new one coming on Ipecac. I've got a copy here, but haven't played it yet. Maybe I'll get around to that and the Black Halos tomorrow.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

Don't bother with Black Halos, Phil (though they had an okay single once, I think. Subpop Singles Club maybe? I dunno).

xhuxk, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:47 (twenty years ago)

"Altamont has a new one coming on Ipecac."

i hated it. so bad. i even warned people about it on my warn people thread. even in comparison to other comparable forgettable drunken "joke metal" or drunken " joke punk" albums it's horrible.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:55 (twenty years ago)

i hated [Altamont]. so bad. i even warned people about it on my warn people thread. even in comparison to other comparable forgettable drunken "joke metal" or drunken " joke punk" albums it's horrible.

Oh, believe me, Dale Crover should never be allowed near a guitar. When I saw them they were all you said and more. High low point was a song about fucking chickens or something.

New Modey Lemon sucks. They probably always sucked from what I can tell. "Loud hard stuff" for the crowd that hates loud hard stuff, you know, those who read daily newspapers and take it seriously when a band from Pittsburgh in 2005 is compared to the MC5 in 1969 by some staff yahoo. Couldn't even make it through the entire thing. Something generates bass sequences that all sound the same. In fact, every riff is about the same, aimlessly pounding -- not tight, except when the guitar player starts up his shitty toy synth to break the monotony.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 1 September 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

The last band I heard where I thought an MC5 comparison was legit was Bad Wizard, and only on their first album.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 1 September 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

You know what's still fucking great, many moons later? Blessed Black Wings. I can't name one Albini production that's given me more straight-no-chaser joy. And they open the album with the album's worst song, too, which is a great move.

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 1 September 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

Right now I can't get enough of Yob's "The Unreal Never Lived".

recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Thursday, 1 September 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

You know what's still fucking great, many moons later? Blessed Black Wings. I can't name one Albini production that's given me more straight-no-chaser joy.

Yeah, ten months later, this sucker is not only still hanging around, but sounding better and better. I agree, this is Albini's best work in ages.

a. begrand (a begrand), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)

Read the Bible, xxhuxx! (He confessed on Rolling Country he hadn't.) King James is most metal (Schofield's the tongue-speaker's tome, but that makes it more Magma than metal). Not as many Books as the Catholic Bible, but you didn't read that either, so you won't miss 'em. (but Burn in The Gospel Of Mary, which is The Gathering, and Gospel Of Thomas goes to India, but that's hippie so beware.)Feed new Black Halos and new Major Stars to a tiny famished demon with no tastebuds.

rev. don, Friday, 2 September 2005 01:53 (twenty years ago)

Technical death metal day in my PO box: not only did I get the new Cryptopsy (Once Was Not, with Lord Worm back on vocals), but all three Atheist reissues (Piece Of Time, Unquestionable Presence and Elements), remastered on Relapse with tons of bonus tracks. The first disc includes nine early demo tracks, the second has seven (including instrumental versions of "Retribution" and "Brains") and drums and bass only for "Mother Man" and a rhythm-track only for "And The Psychic Saw," and the third disc has a six-song live radio broadcast from 1992.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 2 September 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

A Friday of Cinders from the Seventies: Euclid's "Heavy Equipment" mentioned over on Heavy Riffage thread. Punishing '70 proto-metal, a band fed up with the singles format so they turn "Gimme Some Lovin'" into a mix of really loud sludge guitar and howling vocalist.

George Brigman's "Jungle Rot" from 19745-75. More later.

And Buster Brown's only Aussie release from '74. Formative Heavy boogie band for Phil Rudd and Rose Tattoo's Angry Anderson, when he had a slight bit of hair. It's the band that invented the bib overalls "look" for Rose Tattoo.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 2 September 2005 21:33 (twenty years ago)

You know what's still fucking great, many moons later? Blessed Black Wings. I can't name one Albini production that's given me more straight-no-chaser joy.

Yeah, ten months later, this sucker is not only still hanging around, but sounding better and better. I agree, this is Albini's best work in ages.

Great album. Great sound. Definitely Albini's best work in a long time. Perfect for High On Fire. Man those drums are KILLER.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Friday, 2 September 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)

george - is that buster brown reissued?! i've been wanting to hear that for yonks.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 2 September 2005 23:13 (twenty years ago)

'Although it's one of the most reviled albums in metal history, I've alway been weirdly fascinated by "Cherry Orchards".'

I saw the video for that song a couple of months ago and I can definitely understand the odd fascination. It looks like hair metal video shot by Godard. The singer for Celtic Frost is so disconnected and drained out looking in the video, it reminded me of the scene with Peter Cook as the pop singer in the original Bedazzled. The band looked all glammed out, but the song is really cold and distant sounding. It was bizzaro hair metal. I vaguely remember hearing some Celtic Frost back in the late 80s and it was way too weird for me at the time. Even though this record is supposed to be completely unlike anything else they did, it was so odd I have been curious about that band ever since.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Friday, 2 September 2005 23:57 (twenty years ago)

I was going to post a question looking for decent metal criticism, but it looks like the Terrorizer thread and this one touch on it. I can't seem to find Terrorizer anywhere anymore. While it had range and a decent editor, it did seem to fall into the same trap -- if a writer specializes in metal, they tend to give nearly equal praise for everything within their pet subgenre.

Outside of the metal community, there seems to be absolutely zero consensus of what's good. That makes it a challenge for me -- I've delved deep into metal at a few stages in my life, but the last few years I kind of burn out after absorbing about fifteen new albums. I get in the mood to hear metal about a couple days every month. So I'm not too confident that I've heard a large enough sample when I list my top 13 at the end of the year.

I'll certainly check out the recommendations on this thread. I'm about to listen to the new Opeth for the first time. Wish me luck.

Fastnbulbous, Saturday, 3 September 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

>Black Halos..had an okay single once. Subpop Singles Club maybe?<

yep: "jane doe" b/w "russian roulette," 7-inch 45, 2000. i liked that one.

xhuxk, Saturday, 3 September 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

"I was going to post a question looking for decent metal criticism"

Decibel!!! (and not just cuz i write for it, although that is certainly reason enough to subscribe.) (And Brave Words & Bloody Knuckles is good too for a wide range of stuff. i have to subscribe to that one cuz they don't sell it here where i am.i have missed a bunch of issues.)

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 September 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

george - is that buster brown reissued?! i've been wanting to hear that for yonks.

Yep. On Aztecmusic or something, an Aussie label, naturally. Not as crunching and freight train as Rose Tattoo -but- they kind of wrote better rock and roll songs. Great cover of "Roll Over Beethoven" and Angry Anderson is already everything he would be in Rose Tattoo. The guy was born ready to rock.

Euclid's "Heavy Equipment" is pretty crushing. There's not really a weak cut on it. "It's All Over Now" is as decent as "Gimme Some Lovin'" which actually starts with the arrangement Chicago Transit Authority used for their live version of "I'm a Man." If you're a fan of "Vincebus Eruptum," you need Euclid, In fact, I know I'll listen to Euclid more than Blue Cheer.

George the Animal Steele, Saturday, 3 September 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

>Definitely Albini's best work in a long time. Perfect for High On Fire. Man those drums are KILLER<

Albini'swork with Living Things, Red Swan, and Cordelia's Dad is better, to my ears. But yeah, good drum sound, at least right when the album starts. Beyond that, I'm not so sure.

I like Modey Lemon and Drunk Horse more than George does. Never thought to compare the former to the MC5, and don't really think of the latter as stoner rock (at best, Drunk Horse hit me more like a west coast version of Oneida's more rocking moments, albeit with Stonesier guitars.) Basically though, they're both loud art-rock bands. I guess Modey Lemon have grown artsier over time and maybe Drunk Horse less so, and I liked them both more a few years ago -- Modey Lemon's self-titled A-F Records 2001 debut and Drunk Horse's self-titled Man's Ruin Records 1999 debut (I think it's their debut) are where to start. But honestly, I've had nothing against the stuff by both of them I've heard since. Not even close to top 10 candidates (neither were the debuts, in fact), but keepers nonetheless (at least until I purge my collection again in a few years and decide to sell them after all.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 3 September 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

and actually, the new beautiful creatures album (fronted by ex-bang tango guy joe leste') is a better grunge record than the new fireball ministry, as near as i can tell.

xhuxk, Saturday, 3 September 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

That's because it's not a grunge record. I complained and they did a quicky send of a Staples special copy. I like it a bit more than the last one, their quality control is intact. The drummer still puts a lot of roll into the tunes, particularly the first four. "Save the Saved," which is the last one on the disk is definitely not trudging but is amusing in its recommendation to smash heads, as in "save the saved for a rock." You can dance to it.

First cut is something that would be at home on Outlaw Records with the Godz, or actually Eric Moore's Godz, with the substitution that Rota has a much better voice.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 4 September 2005 05:19 (twenty years ago)

Someone reading Rolling Metal was in Mamapalooza in NYC (May 25) and found this thread. Sent an e-mail to me saying her band crushed the competition. I believe her. They're a tough-looking bunch, from Oakland and swear a lot, particularly at the local school district which I'd guess more than deserves it. Chuck, I told you ya shoulda sent me to this.

"Just found your bit about the all-mom rock bands. I agree that it's a bit of fluff, except for my band. We did fly out to New
York. we wiped the floor with the other bands. Check it out:

http://www.placentamusic.com.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 4 September 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

okay, i'll listen to the new fireball ministry album more, george. i dunno, maybe i need to play it in the rentacar. or somewhere else besides the village voice offices. sure seemed draggy there, though.

beautiful creatures' album, which i like a lot regardless, turns out not to be a grunge record, either. basically, it's a bang tango record, a really good one.

and i will check out placenta (who i'd never heard of before now.)

living things' *ahead of the lions* on jive/zomba has a real shot at my top ten. i like every song (12 of them). best, i think, are "bombs below," "i owe," "bom bom bom," "end gospel," "no new jesus," and "monsters of man," a couple of which i'm pretty sure never ever appeared on either their previous geffen album (which never came out) and their two previous EPs (which barely did.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 4 September 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)

and i will check out placenta (who i'd never heard of before now.)

They have said they will furnish me with a CD.

Still haven't heard to Living Things. Last thing I saw was an import and a lot of hoo-ha that it was censored in the US because of anti-Bush fervor, which I wasn't quite buying, but didn't feel like spending the money to determine 'twas true.

Oh yeah, and Montgomery Gentry did indeed do a cover of Blackfoot's "Train, Train" on CMT and it smoked.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 4 September 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

Blue Cheer edition 2005, "Live Boot: Hamburg - London," great bookend for your Euclid "Heavy Equipment" CD. Recreates the good stuff from "Vincebus Eruptum," turns "Doctor Please" into a poor man's Band of Gypsys metal jazz volume screech. It's the Dickie Peterson show, with suitably inelegant lo-fi recording made to sound medium-fi. Boogie furnished by short version of "Roadhouse Blues." Then it's "Summertime Blues" and "Parchman Farm" which should make the members of Parchman Farm, or whatever that EP was called, happy. Punch your face delivery, for drunk German bikers and other undesirables, some old people, a few homely women, it sounds like. My kind of audience.

Laughs of the day, from the LA Times, on a jag about Modey Lemon:

"...stun level garage blues..." which is closer to what the Blue Cheer CD is and "....Hendrix and beyond blast..." Ha-ha, the Modey Lemon like Hendrix, such jokers. Oh course, the same article tries to convince Yoko Ono doing "Dont Worry Kyoko" for about the first time since Frank Zappa called it "A Small Eternity with Yoko Ono," was "expression of a wide range of emotions."

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 22:17 (twenty years ago)

that minsk cd continues to grow on me. the family went for a walk today and i was finally able to blast it (*sigh* how unmetal.) and that 2nd track is sooooo killer. they do kinda do what i always want neurosis to do, which is combine the astral grooviness of the tribes of neurot stuff with neurosis proper. at least on some tracks. and yes, i know neurosis put out an album that you were supposed to play at the same time as a neurot disc, but that doesn't count, cuz i am way too lazy to do that. they should have combined them for me themselves.

and in case you missed this:

You Finally Get To Hear My Favorite Metal Band!

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 22:34 (twenty years ago)

Got the live Cactus twofer at Downtown Music Gallery last night. Too much money, but so much better than the studio one (which has about one disc worth of great stuff between its two). That and the Atheist reissues are gonna be my steady listening diet for most of September, I think.

Interviewed Scott Ian tonight - he swore up and down that despite releasing two live albums, a best-of and an old-songs-rerecorded disc in the past two years, plus bringing their previous lead singer back, they have not become a full-time nostalgia act.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 23:18 (twenty years ago)

Phil, you have good ears. The Cactus live Rhino stuff is overpriced, but it's still the primo material. Even when in the studio, Cactus was a live band, particularly if you have heard the first two albums. Wish you could've been there when I threw "One Way...Or Another" on a college radio audience a year after release.

MX-80, formerly MX-80 Sound, has "We're An American Band" in the slot. It's not "Out of the Tunnel" or anything as ferocious as "Someday You'll Be King" but Bruce Anderson, guitarist, retains excellent heavy tone and a multitude of styles. It's 60 percent dream
and mysterioso mood metal, 38 percent attack. Two or three songs given over or in line with Angel Corpus Christi, female artist who've I've never heard but who is longstanding art-wise.

Out in front of art metal including semi-pop tunes that will never be played on radio. After 30 years, MX-80 Sound has gone from an attacking super dissonent jazz metal band out of Indiana act to a very arty heavy pop band from California.

Euclid is still on the top of the play list. Man, thanks, El Sabor.
You must get Euclid if you're into heavy riff grunge with no equal from 1970.

And Dave Marsh's review of Grand Funk "live" for Creem magazine in '70 is the apotheosis of worthless snob rock critic prose. No one has ever topped it. Without Marsh's name attached to it, it reads unintentionally as satire. It's about the worst piece of writing by someone who thinks he's sophisticated I'ver ever seen, period. Paradocically, hardly anyone has ever seen it because no one read Creem before it became a slick, and this was just before that transition.

Photocopied from the original mag, if it had been in wider circulation without the guy stifling himself, Creem wouldn't have made it past 1972. In fact, the mag might have actually done better without him as an editor.

For Pete's sake, Marsh couldn't even spell the name of the lead guy in the Loving Spoonful for the cover of the issue correctly. But in the same issue he could spell "Hermann Hesse," who had nothing to do with rock and roll.

Fuck Dave Marsh, a pompous ninny, racked up as the George Tenet of rock critics, so to speak, someone who had a lot to say, all wrong, but still awarded points -- a Medal of Freedom -- for it.

I can't describe how shitty and hilarious Marsh is for ILM. Send me a request and I'll either send you a Xerox (this was written in 1970!) or slot it for addition to a webpage I'm designing on the genesis of proto-metal '69-'72 and how totally out of it top dog rock critics were on the genre.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 9 September 2005 10:13 (twenty years ago)

From Dave Marsh's 1970 review of Grand Funk's black album in Creem mag. I just love this shit, it's so fucked.

"...Jagger's chilling slaps at traditional
masculine roleplaying became mundane in a thousand others who took
bisexuality for mere faggotry..." Mere faggotry, in a review of
GFRR's "live" black album. And what's "mere faggotry" anyway? It's not in Webster's, but this gives you the impression that it's superior to be bi rather than a mere homo. Fucking A.

Another howler: "([the Beatles] descent into putrefied prissiness),
the flower music, the solo bash-em-in-the-ass jams and British
pretty-boy-bisexual rock came as the most crunching letdown since
Cannonball Adderly and Sonny Stitt gave up free-form for funk."

You'd never know the guy is reviewing a hard rock record. It's over 200o words and he doesn't get around to even mentioning the band's name until about 1500 have gone by.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 9 September 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

this mx-80 album preview video makes me proud to be american.

dan (dan), Friday, 9 September 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

The new Cryptopsy album is insane. I feel like I've just stepped out of a wind tunnel.

a. begrand (a begrand), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

The Relapse Atheist reissues show a band going through an evolution to something interesting: rock-jazz fusion instros based on tangos.
That's what "Elements" is, the best record. It's not totally instro, but the vocals are minimized. First two go through minor degrees of difference with Coroner -- the guitaring isn't as good and they progress is toward choppy jazz rather than Euro-dance and vistas as with Coroner. Good band, acquired taste, tragic history, good story. Never were going to be even niche popular favorites but remained always true to art.

George the Animal Steele, Monday, 12 September 2005 07:59 (twenty years ago)

Ok, new Fireball Ministry album is finally growing on me -- especially the cuts that totally sound like Motorhead.

Kinda love the new Ewigkeit album so far, too. (But then, I would.)

xhuxk, Monday, 12 September 2005 11:56 (twenty years ago)

The Minsk album is sounding better than it did on first listen - the vocalist's manly anguish is more compelling than I thought it would be. I'm still loving Asguard's Dreamslave, which will probably wind up my black metal pick for '05. And the Atheist reissues are roasting my mind, but I love that period of death metal (Death's Human and Individual Thought Patterns, Pestilence's Testimony Of The Ancients, etc.).

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 12 September 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

so far my favorite songs on the new mx-80 album are "hell," "cry uncle," and "lights out," followed by "Don't hate the french" and "give it up." "hell" even seems to contain a screwed and chopped part! though i bet it's more likely they stole that from *maggot brain* than from anybody in houston, but who knows? at any rate, this is probably the noisiest and funniest EZ-listening beatnik-metal album you will hear all year, so you have no excuse for passing it up.

Also like the pseudo-Satantic early-Venom-style stoner-thrash EP *Warship* by Saviours. That it has only three songs helps a lot!

xhuxk, Thursday, 15 September 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

Oopps, "You Turned My Head Around" (doggie bark sound effects and everything) on MX-80's album is great, too. (As are others, probably).

xhuxk, Thursday, 15 September 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

And I just noticed that MX 80 mention Funkadelic in "Cry Uncle"'s lyrics, so I guess I was right about *Maggot Brain*! (They say their sleazeball uncle who useta be in Lighthouse {or at least that's what is sounded like} played along to Funkadelic records, or something.)

And "Lights Out" is about blackouts and brownouts, all over town.

xhuxk, Thursday, 15 September 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

New Cave In album is sounding ace, streaming @

http://www.perfectpitchblack.com/

Track: Down the Drain sounds like My Bloody Valentine !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 15 September 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

>Albini'swork with Living Things, Red Swan, and Cordelia's Dad is better, to my ears<

Also his work on the new Gogol Bordello.

xhuxk, Thursday, 15 September 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

New Ephel Duath album: Pain Necessary to Know is out on October 17th !

http://www.ephelduath.net/newsmain.htm

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 15 September 2005 15:25 (twenty years ago)

Withered
http://www.withered.net/index1.html

Anyone heard their new album ? Memento Mori

Being compared to High on Fire and Mastodon

ecard available:
http://www.lifeforce-america.com/witheredecard.htm

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 15 September 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

wooagh, so what the hell is the deal with Mortiis?? He has totally gone industrial (darkwave? whatever), and not even in a good way. I.e., not even as good as the new Funkervogt album. I actually liked him in his beautiful dark muzak mode. But this one is for the birds.

xhuxk, Friday, 16 September 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

(which is to say, the thang's not even catchy in a eurodisco way or whatever; just sounds like a tuneless dime-a-dozen nine inch nails knockoff. yuckerooooooooooooooooni. dude still *looks* wacky, though.)

xhuxk, Friday, 16 September 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

yeah his one from a couple of years ago ("the smell of rain," maybe?) was like late-period Gary Numan minus the charm of being Gary Numan

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

You missed the New York Timely feature of art-metal on Sunday! You know it had to happen sooner or later. Lots of great unintentionally pompous, grandiose and stupid or howling funny quote:

"Is art conscious or unconscious? Up until now, there was art in metal, but there wasn't for the most part a self-awareness about it."

More of this conversation should infect my brain.

"It's simple to talk about Satan as a symbol, but it's important to consider the deeper meaning of the symbol."

The fount of wisdom that makes small brooks to flow.

"Perhaps more than any other genre, metal has historically been exceedingly tribal."

Can you spell h-a-r-d-c-o-r-e? Can you spell p-u-n-k r-o-c-k? Can you spell [fill in the blank]?

"But there are signs that even traditional metal bands are becoming more eccentric. Recent metal albums have paid tribute to authors from Melville...to Tolkien...to Blake..."

Boy, if we tried to tally up the "eccentricities" of metal bands from '72 onward "paying tribute to authors" we'd be here for fucking weeks.

"...its members, who perform in druid-style robes and typically use industrial smoke machines, actually alter the feel of the room."

They change the space and time, the warp and woof, the Higgs boson, the quark, strangeness and charm flavors. Black Widow dressed in robes and I heard they undressed a girl on stage at all their shows.

"The result is audiences for whom a Def Leppard T-shirt could only be a sign of irony, though there may be hope for further indoctrination."

"This is not your older brother's metal crowd."

"Metal in general has long been unjustly maligned as solely the province of knuckle-dragging meatheads...That said, there's never been a group of musicians like there is now, who are helping to advance the form."

There you go, the usual meme, furnished by source quote, that the new blood has evolved beyond the limited DNA of all who have come before.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I actually like Jon Caramanica, both as a writer and as a friend, and I kind of had *fun* reading that Times spiel, but lots of it was way, way off. The part that got my goat the most was his assumption that marginal hipster footnotes (not that he called them that) the Melvins and Flying Luttenbachers (both of whom kind of, er, SUCKED) somehow invented some huge idea that hadn't previously existed of inserting avant stuff into metal. I guess he tried to balance things out by quoting John Darnielle at the end (not that it was very clear to me what point Darnielle was making), but still...

xhuxk, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

I guess he tried to balance things out by quoting John Darnielle at the end (not that it was very clear to me what point Darnielle was making)

"Some fear, though, that the self-conscious positioning of art-metal bands has done a disservice to worthy acts who stick closer to tradition, and who are often ignored, if not scorned, by outsiders."

Ya mean like for the New York Times? Ha-ha. Fear not the arch pushing out the meat-and-potatoes on the pages of the big Sunday paper, it's the way of things, the ISO 9000 standard.

"Experimenting with a lighter side, including free jazz and even modern classical music."

My pate bows to such rich garments.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

Also, I thought it kind of odd that he pretty much entirely concentrated on indie-scene-to-metal-sound crossovers, when for the last several years there's been at least as much interesting, artsy stuff happening within metal proper, on metal labels -- the new Opeth album, for instance, didn't even get mentioned, which actually surprised me; it seemed like the exact sort of thing that one would *peg* a feature like that on. I mean, Opeth get a lot more metal fans than Orthrealm or Pelican do! And they're no less artsy. Strange...

xhuxk, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

But The Times' Sunday section have been flogging Pelican and Orthrelm this year. Orthrelm got the "this album is unlistenable but that's why you have to listen to it" phenom review a couple months back.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

the new Opeth album, for instance, didn't even get mentioned, which actually surprised me

The metal album displayed by the cash registers at BestBuy audience (which is where I see the Opeth record every week) is not the Sunday Times audience.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

I thought the piece was decent for what it was/is. Typically late to the party, of course; it's the New York Times. (I wrote a piece on Pelican for The Wire when Australasia came out, and I've reviewed Orthrelm's last two albums for them. But more importantly, I got them to cover Dimmu Borgir's last album, and I'm reviewing Minsk, Asguard and Atheist for the November issue.)

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

"...said Andee ... co-owner of Aquarius Records in San Francisco, a retail store that specializes in metal..."

Well, just look at all this fucking metal in the stuff being pimped on the first page of the AR website. It's just a damn horn of plenty of heavy metal and hard rock.
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PAAVOHARJU Yha Hamaraa

In many ways Paavoharju can be likened to fellow enchanting Finnish artists Lau Nau and Fonal labelmates Islaja, but their finely detailed yet loosely strung music is considerably more melted and collaged and electronic. Listening to Yha Hamaraa is almost like eavesdropping on a dream... or having someone else's heartbreaking memories come back to hazily haunt you. Sounds, voices and melodies drift in and out of focus, occasionally overlapping and seeping into one another. Sometimes it seems like you're listening to a rickety old radio with the dial set between stations so that the sounds somehow magically fit together. Odd faintly familiar elements make their presence felt such as in the ninth song where the male vocal melody brought to mind a twisted folk (and of course very Finnish) version of "Stairway To Heaven". The swooping, trebly female vocals find their own special place between Indian film music singers and the Southeast Asian voices

BANHART, DEVENDRA Cripple Crow (XL Recordings) cd 13.98
For his latest full length, Banhart has taken a marked departure from the mystical woodland art-folk kingdom he conjured and inhabited on his first three albums. This is evident even before you hear a single note -- he opted for a Sgt. Pepper style collaged crowd photograph on the front cover rather than another of his illustrations

BARDO POND Selections : Volumes I-IV (All Tomorrow's Parties) 2cd 19.98
Hard to believe Bardo Pond has been around for over 15 years, and even harder to believe that they continue to create slab after slab of gorgeous drug soaked psychedelia far better than their more well known and more prolific psychedelic brethren.

CHALK, ANDREW Shadows From The Album Skies (Faraway Press) cd 22.00
It remains to be seen if the duo of Andrew Chalk and Christoph Heeman will ever collaborate again, after rumors surfaced describing an acrimonious falling out in the wake of an ill-conceived Mimir / Mirror performance. Sure, Mirror has certainly produced some amazing recordings; Eye Of The Storm, in particular, is an impeccable document of droned-out environmental eerieness.

CORTES, LULA E ZE RAMALHO Paebiru (Shadoks Music) cd 15.98
Oh boy. Now here's a real "holy grail" psych album, at last reissued on cd and widely available!!! You've heard a taste of this if you've got the Brazilian edition of the Love, Peace & Poetry compilation series.

GAULT, THE Even As All Before Us (Flood The Earth / Amortout) cd 9.98
By now everyone should be familiar with SF black metal legends Weakling. A brief existence, a handful of shows, and a single amazing record (released on Andee's tUMULt label, we should mention). Members of Weakling played in and/or went on to play in Amber Asylum, the Champs, Drunk Horse, Asunder, Sangre Amado, Saros and the short lived but now totally cult blackened gothic doom outfit The Gault. Recorded way back in 1999 by Tim Green, The Gault's Even As All Before

SPEKTR No Longer Human Senses (Appease Me) cd 12.98
Not a list goes by without a review declaring some record THE WEIRDEST EVER. So, okay, we can be a little hyperbolic at times, but it's just cuz we get so damned excited. But since we're always on the lookout for the weirdest records ever, it's not really all that strange that we might actually keep discovering some new weirdest record ever! They just get weirder and weirder. AND, as you probably could tell, it just so happens that we have a definite thing for bizarre black metal, the more fucked up and strange the better! And again, always being on the lookout for weirder and weirder metal records, we manage to stumble across quite a few

VENETIAN SNARES Meathole (Planet Mu) cd 14.98
The more recent Venetian Snares albums (all of which we've loved) from Canadian electronic wizard Aaron Funk have fallen muchcloser sonically to the maudlin minor key string soaked IDM sound of Boy / Girl era Aphex Twin

WOODEN WAND & THE VANISHING VOICE Buck Dharma (5RC) cd 14.98
Okay, so did we warn you a couple of lists ago or what about an imminent abundance of Wooden Wand releases?! It's already become pretty much impossible to fully digest one of their cds or lps before another one sprouts up, but don't get all stressed out trying to keep pace

ACID MOTHERS TEMPLE & THE MELTING PARAISO U.F.O. Goodbye John Peel: Live In London 2004 (Dirter) 2lp 24.00
Super limited (500 copies worldwide, we got about 20) double live album recorded in London in 2004 from the Acid Mothers Temple & The Melting Paraiso

BATES, TYLER The Devil's Rejects - Original Motion Picture Score (La-La Land / Lion's Gate) cd 16.98
Some of you may be tired of us going on and on about that Devil's Rejects movie (we listed the Banjo And Sullivan and the killer soundtrack recently). Well tough luck! We finally got the score in and it's amazing,

BLACK DICE Broken Ear Record (Astralwerks) cd 16.98
Nothin' like starting off your morning with a big ol' cup of coffee and a big ol' earful (well, 37 minutes or so) of Black Dice.

CALEXICO & IRON AND WINE In The Reins (Overcoat) cd 10.98
Ooooh, does that sound like a splendid combination to you or what? Two of our absolute favorites together on one release, performing seven songs penned by Iron & Wine's Sam Beam?!

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)

Goat Horn would be so much awesomer if the dude could actually, you know, sing. I dig the music lots. But eeek on the vocals.

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

Tell us more!

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

aquarius carries more black/death/doom/neurisis metal than 99% of the record stores out there. they specialize in lots of things.

dan (dan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

Are you mocking me, Mr. Steele? I'm trying to contribute, damnit!

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)

>they specialize in lots of things.

Okay.

I like reading the album descriptions on Aquarius's site, though I've yet to buy anything from them. But it seems to me that the biggest problem they exemplify (and so does the Times piece) is the self-congratulatory nature of "smart-guy" metal fans-come-lately. "Looka me! I'm into metal!" Sure, as long as it's at Tonic or the Knitting Factory. But you won't see 'em at the basement gigs in Queens, with five Satanic death metal acts straight from Bogota.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

aquarius carries more black/death/doom/neurisis metal

Yes, I see, at the "disservice to worthy acts who stick closer to tradition." Plenty of Argoba Teenage Riot and the CD-R of that stupid kid singing karoake lyrics to his dad's band performing Van Halen's "Hot for Teacher." Weird metal, the weirder and weirder the better, in their words. So, in fairness to readers, the New York Times should have said, "a retail store that specializes in weirder and weirder heavy metal." We don't do no Jake E. Lee solo album.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

Are you mocking me, Mr. Steele? I'm trying to contribute, damnit!

No, no, no, not at all Jeanne. You made me curious, I haven't heard of Goat Horn.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

But you won't see [Aquarius-types] at the basement gigs in Queens, with five Satanic death metal acts straight from Bogota.

Couldn't have said it better. It's fairly obvious they're into metal as "arch" and "stilted." The equivalent of the newspaper man bites dog story.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

Oh oops, sorry! Um, think of young thrash dudes in tight jeans with long hair, drinking 16 oz. cans of cheap-o beer. The music is pretty sweet-ass but seriously, I don't think there's a poorer metal vocalist out there. I mean, he makes David St. Hubbins sounds like Pavarotti.

Also, thanks for the Backbiter info -- waiting for it to come in the mail.

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)

Goat Horn MP3s.

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

Ahh, now I'm itching for a CD.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

The older songs sound a bit better, vocal-wise. Actually, Cheddar, I'm thinking you'd like to hear these guys, too, if for no other reason than they swing really nicely. And they're unapologetically cheesey.

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:58 (twenty years ago)

Couldn't have said it better. It's fairly obvious they're into metal as "arch" and "stilted." The equivalent of the newspaper man bites dog story.

Did you look at anything but the new arrivals page? Aquarius lists a lot of arty stuff, but they've also got positive write-ups for Wishbone Ash, Hanoi Rocks, Iron Maiden, Pentagram, Buffalo etc.


bogle, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

Wow, that racks up the points. What makes it -more- than any number of specialty metal stores with residences on the web? It seems to me it would be more logical for the metal fan to go to the Century Media web store, or the place I bought Bathtub Shitter last year, or the stonerrock store if one was looking for a "store" that "specialized" in metal.

In terms of newspaper articles, how -- if you're writing a story on metal in a paper in NEW YORK CITY -- does one come to select a talking head out of a storefront in SAN FRANCISCO? It's so damn obvious it kicks you in the head. Hey, no record stores that specialize in metal in NYC or metro-Jersey, no way no how.

And why pick one, anyway, without going around to the trouble of finding a number of stores that "specialize" in metal, assessing their catalogs at a glance and -- then -- asking their buyers what sells for them rather than some profundity on art-metal? You know, it would take less than an afternoon to find a handful and, I'm betting, spread out among the buyers assessments ranging from, "Neorisis bands don't do too bad" to "That shit don't sell."

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

Speaking of "art metal", am I nuts, or is the new Minsk album better than The Eye of Every Storm and Panopticon? I'm starting to believe so...

a. begrand (a begrand), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

Oh, and the new Exodus is incredible.

a. begrand (a begrand), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

Cross-pollination, sometimes good for comedic effect:


yo, that's jada pinket smith fronting a funkmetal band

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

>am I nuts, or is the new Minsk album better than The Eye of Every Storm and Panopticon?

I think so. I haven't really liked Neurosis in years (Cult of Luna does 'em better than they do themselves) and Isis peaked with Oceanic and its follow-on remixes, to my ear.

Can't agree with you on the new Exodus, though. They should have stayed retired.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

i loved the last two neurosis albums. i like how they have been opening up their sound little by little. they have already proved that they can out-heavy people. they are on the m.gira career trajectory. in a couple of years they will be making full-on psychedelic jug band records. i do love the minsk, as i have said. that sound is so massive. i like it a lot more than the last cult of luna. the last isis really grew on me. at first i kinda wrote it off as more of the same, but it definitely deserves repeated listening. i liked that callisto album better than the cult of luna too.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 22:04 (twenty years ago)

New Corrupted later this month, or maybe next month.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 23:17 (twenty years ago)

that Zatokrev has been sitting around the house totally ignored for God knows how long 'til this morning and WOW...what a great album!

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 22 September 2005 01:09 (twenty years ago)

yeah, the zatokrev is another monster. i just love the massiveness of the minsk and the zatokrev. such a satisfying heft to them. that swarm of the lotus album that i reviewed has some good moments too. sorta inspired by this thread, in the next decibel i wrote a review where i swear off of comparing anything to neurosis ever again. it's a complete genre by now, so it seems silly to keep bringing them up.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 22 September 2005 01:19 (twenty years ago)

"[Aquarius] write-ups for Wishbone Ash..."

And this is lame, too. The only two records in the Wishbone Ash catalog that most typical metal fans -might- like are the "eponymous" LP and "Argus," but only if the copy of "Argus" comes with the "Live in Memphis" cuts. Everything else is pretty much Brit Grateful Dead, and real hard folk rock with intertwining twin leads, even the "Live Dates" record, which includes the key "metal" cuts, all of which are not as good performances as on "Live in Memphis" or "Wishbone Ash."
You could pass Wishbone Ash off as art jazz metal, too, because they were -- umm - just listen to "Argus" or "Pilgrimage." Art rock. They probably read books to0.

Caveat emptor: Newcomers to the thread. Be very careful when inspacting the Wishbone Ash catalog on your dime. Big soft jam band.


Plus it's just easier and cheaper to get them at BestBuy and other chains.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 22 September 2005 01:44 (twenty years ago)

Ha ha. Well, that is the pair albums they've reviewed.

bogle, Thursday, 22 September 2005 02:31 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, specialty, it's what's available in the mass box stores.

Christ, Aquarius Records and heavy metal/hard rock. I recommend
a copy of "The Virgin Encyclopedia of Heavy Rock" by Larkin.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 22 September 2005 04:24 (twenty years ago)

George did Aquarius piss in your Cheerios or something? They were stocking metal several years before any other comparable store and introducing it to people who wouldn't normally run across it in their usual travels, and the "talking head" you're cracking on also runs a label that puts out records by Pelican and that fuckin' Hammers of Misfortune thing that kicked a fair amount of ass. The hateration here seems all out of proportion to the "offense," which appears to be "liking some kinds of metal more than others."

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 22 September 2005 11:10 (twenty years ago)

aquarius likes bunny brains. how bad could they be?

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 22 September 2005 11:25 (twenty years ago)

>is the new Minsk album better than The Eye of Every Storm and Panopticon?<

Yep. Ha ha, in fact, here's the show preview blurb I wrote up a few days ago, for next week's Voice (they play North Six week after next):

"MINSK -- The spacious grumble-growl of this "Byelarussian" ambient metal quartet's *Out of a Center Which is Neither Dead Nor Alive* isn't audibly as Hawkwind-or-Uriah Heep (or maybe even Dead Can Dance)-steeped as At a Loss Records insists, but it still makes for one of '05's coziest wraparound thrash experiences: past mere Isis or Neurosis blur, into gorgeous caverns of morose gunk last excavated by Switzerland's Bloodstar in the early '90s."


xhuxk, Thursday, 22 September 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

The hateration here seems all out of proportion to the "offense," which appears to be "liking some kinds of metal more than others."

See up the thread re record store as source in ridiculous Times metal feature.

were stocking metal several years before any other comparable store

Ah yeah, the metal for people too smart for metal thing because, as the story said, "it is the province of knuckle-dragging meatheads," that is UNTIL the new and intellectually enriching MFA-possessing art metal bands showed up. Sort of like my hard rock for audiences that don't like hard rock peg. Or an allegedly sophisticated audience that don't like hot dogs because they're ordinary, have bad meat
in them and come with French's and relish but who like hot dogs if you take out the bad meat, put in a fancy variety of olives, change the mustard from French's to Grey Poupon and sprinkle garlic shavings on them.

you're cracking on also runs a label that puts out records by Pelican and that fuckin' Hammers of Misfortune thing that kicked a fair amount of ass.

Well, that being so, it's another thing the Times didn't mention in the story that belonged in the story, as in, "...said Andee ... [underwriter of Pelican] and co-owner of Aquarius Records in San Francisco, a retail store that specializes in metal..."

So if someone is provided to furnish a glowing pronouncement on the new art metal and we know they have a financial stake in one
art-metal band prominently cited in the article, it's the maker of the new brand of hot dog saying his hot dog has a new manner of hot dogness that no previous ordinary hot dogs have. That's the appropriate wrapper but that's not how the feature story delivered it.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 22 September 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

that's still bullshit, George - when Aquarius started stocking metal, it was almost exclusively black metal - I guess you could call that the arty stuff, I know it's not what the article means by "arty" though. Either way though it seems clear that you're determined to think of them as some sort of snooty likes-metal-while-looking-down-their-noses store & won't be convinced otherwise however glaring the evidence, so, y'know, cheers 'n' all, enjoy the blinkers

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 22 September 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

...I mean, for a place you seem to think of as terminally poseur, they sure do have a complete Manilla Road section

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 22 September 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

that's still bullshit, George

No, refer the assortment of memes and media scripts tossed on the readership by the Times. When I dragged Aquarius into the thread I thought it would prick. It's good that their honor is defended.

likes-metal-while-looking-down-their-noses

Which was the entire thrust of the Times article. And again, always being on the lookout for weirder and weirder metal records, to reuse a few good lines because [Up] until now, there was art in metal, but there wasn't for the most part a self-awareness about it because there's never been a group of musicians like there is now, who are helping to advance the form because it's not your older brother's metal crowd.


George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 22 September 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

(admittedly, as one of the guys who was interviewed for the article, I was distressed that its focus was almost entirely "metal for smart guys!" instead of "metal has always been rather more complex than you probably think it is," though the interviewing process didn't really seem that way at all)

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 22 September 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

(i sorta thot e'eybody here knew i was johann darn1elle but anyhow umm hey how's it goin')

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 22 September 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)

UPS personal delivery of Waltham today. I must be special. Anyway, haven't had a chance to listen yet but the Puny Human frontman, bettern known as an MTV host, likes it and I generally like what he likes, so I'm optimistic. Profess to like Rick Springfield. The jump out quote: "We don't want to be sappy."

What's wrong with sappy? Many of my favorite records, perhaps all of them, are sappy. Sappy is really elastic, it's everything and anything you want it to be.

Unbylined Voice blurb says Waltham are in the Babys/Nightranger way of doing things, and send The Darkness back to Blighty. I say, OK! The Darkness have waited so long since their first LP in the good 'ol USA, one that didn't do the great flapjacks in sales commensurate with press, that they might as well skip the second here, it couldn't possibly live up to even the feeblest expectation after two years spent squandering momentum.


George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 22 September 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)

>Unbylined Voice blurb says Waltham are in the Babys/Nightranger way of doing things, and send The Darkness back to Blighty<

The byline would've said "Eddy" had they included it (another show preview blurb.) The EP is great, to my ears. "Fast Times at Waltham High", yes! Also great were the Waltham demos (or whatever) that Dan from Boston's Medea Connection compiled on CD-R for me a few years back, which is when I first heard of the band -- that was about seven songs, something like five of which had girls' names as their titles! I think they're lying, though, about not wanting to be sappy -- they do sappy as well as just about any hard rock band out there lately.

xhuxk, Friday, 23 September 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

I thought they were kinda "LIFE IS AWESOME! BREATHING RULES! I LOVE MY MOM! LET'S ALL GO TO THE SOCK HOP!" type of super-nifty good-times rock n roll. Then again, I'm sick and I was in a foul mood yesterday and they made me want to break shit in a not-fun way. And Chuck you're right about the sappy-ness. They're so fucking sincere that it makes them sap-tastic. But I'll give them another listen. Oh also, I don't like the new Fireball Ministry as much as I liked the old one. The constipated growl

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Friday, 23 September 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

Hey! What happen to my little bracket thingies? What I meant to say was that the constipated growl isn't as good as the pretty, tonal singing.

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Friday, 23 September 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

ha ha, jeanne, you should totally like waltham if you liked that emo band who you said sounded like journey (i forget their name) last year. waltham sound WAY WAY WAY more legitimately '80s AOR than those other guys, honest! but your diss of them cracked me up regardless.

xhuxk, Friday, 23 September 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

Moments of Grace! or Moments In Grace! (I forget.) Hahaha, yeah, I totally loved that album!! I'm a sucker for classic rock Boston-y vocals. I'm from Jersey. I can't help it. :) I'll go back to the Waltham album, promise.

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Friday, 23 September 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)

The first two songs on Waltham pretty much say it. "Cheryl (Come & Take a Ride)" and "So Lonely" are the high points of their Eighties thing. And they really do get Rick Springfield exactly right on "So Lonely." That song takes it's middle eight and the background vocals right from the RS stylebook, even down to the mix and compression. I'm sure they flipped over RS's Anger/Acceptance/Hate/Kablooie album a year and a half ago.

"So Lonely" definitely makes it into the my P&J singles list among others similarly bursting with hook. And the homemade video of it is silly and charming because it has a girl in it who actually looks like someone you would see in one of Boston's blue collar suburbs, not someone on TV. The tattoo parlor stuff is creepy. I think all tattoo parlors are creepy but it's amusing that this band's audience includes a bunch of guys addicted to tattoo parlors as well as the RS crowd.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 23 September 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

And while we're here, time to permanently retire the "metal" hand sign. It's all over "the making of" DVD videos I get in the mail. It's all over myspace. No one can have a comments section without a bunch of dimbulbs posting phone camera photos of themselves giving us the hook. No one can resist the hand signal cliche -- hey we're all in the same club -- teenage girls flash it, the dudes in Waltham overdo it. It belongs to one faction. THE FANS OF THE TEXAS LONGHORNS AND STUDENTS & ATHLETES AT THAT SCOOL. That's it! Give it back to 'em, let 'em have it. In your heart you know it's not right to usurp it.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 23 September 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

OK, so...I'm listening to the new Coheed and Cambria double CD epic *Good Apollo, I'm Burning Star IV,Volume One: From Fear Through the Eyes of Madness*..pretentious as fuck obviously (though no more pretentious than 97 percent of the other metal out there these days); it'll take me a while to get through it all. I doubt it's any kind of masterpiece or anything; big whoop. But what I'm hearing so far sounds really good --and as much Yes and Rush and maybe Queensryche as Saga (see above), I guess. Anyway. Can somebody please remind me again what I am supposed to hate about these guys, so I can be on the lookout for it? Because I sure as heck haven't heard anything on it to hate so far. (The Geddy Lee-style vocals are more compelling than the emo-style vocals, but the latter hardly ever even show up, as far as I can see. And they're not all *that* emo, anyway.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

*Good Apollo, I'm Burning Star IV,Volume One: From Fear Through the Eyes of Madness*..

From new Anal Cunt EP: "You like Coheed & Cambria, You're Gay" b/w "Wigs are Gay"

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

I am intrigued by the sound of this Minsk band.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 September 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

>Can somebody please remind me again what I am supposed to hate about these guys, so I can be on the lookout for it?

I'd like to know, too, because even though I skipped their first three records, I liked their live CD/DVD quite a bit and am considering buying up the catalog.

I saw the new Disturbed video on Headbangers' Ball last week, and it's the best thing they've ever done, I think. I liked their second album a lot, even wrote a cover story on 'em for Alternative Press, and the single doesn't sound like a big change from back then, except now (since power metal is this year's secret ingredient) they've added guitar solos. Which is great, because I always thought they would have been arena huge if they'd had 'em to begin with.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 25 September 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

Someone help me out here -- why is it that 'power metal' as described often sounds so, dare I say, wimpy? Maybe I heard the wrong Iced Earth album (I forget which one) but jeez Louise that was a drag.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 September 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

Try the most recent Hammerfall disc. The last song is like some bizarre Queensryche/Laibach collaboration.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 25 September 2005 15:55 (twenty years ago)

I really dug the new Demons & Wizards album. Dude, Ned, they are like live-action fantasy novels. They are all about pomp and velvet robes. You should really dig that stuff. Have Miccio dupe you a copy of the excellent power-metal tape i made him. whatever happened to miccio?

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 25 September 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

re: coheed and crew. people made fun of them before prog-core swept the nation. now they are pioneering visionaries. it used to be cool to make fun of geddy lee voices. now people are doing unnatural things to their genitalia JUST so they can sound like geddy.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 25 September 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

Dude, Ned, they are like live-action fantasy novels. They are all about pomp and velvet robes. You should really dig that stuff.

Yes, but by this same logic I should be going to sf/fantasy conventions and Ren Faires. Wild horses could not take me to those locations.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 September 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

(Mr Miccio is around, he's been busy with a move. I will ask him about that tape, though. If Rhapsody is on it, however, I shall look at you askance.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 September 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

Maybe I heard the wrong Iced Earth album (I forget which one) but jeez Louise that was a drag.

Iced Earth is really up and down. About little over half the catalog is pretty duff. However the good stuff smokes. The first record even put a fairly obvious BOC lick into the mix -- the head guy, Schaeffer, being a fan. Their CD of covers was decent, particularly the BOC tunes. Even a couple clinkers, there, too. Iced Earth has business doing AC/DC.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 25 September 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

So the Forced Exposure e-mail update for this week indicates that Buffalo's first album has been reissued on CD (Akarma has had all three of their records out on vinyl for a year or so and is now apparently doing 'em up digital). The description - primitive early 70s hard rock, on Sabbath's UK label Vertigo - makes it seem like my cup of meat...should I bother?

pdf (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 25 September 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

"Volcanic Rock" and "Only Want You For Your Body" are the best. One guy from Buffalo went on to Rose Tattoo, one to the Count Bishops, both supremely hard bands, too. I'd lump them in with Dirty Tricks only a little earlier. I like Dirty Tricks a lot.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 25 September 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

I like the Hammerfall disc, but Falconer's Grime vs. Grandeur might be the best power metal album I've heard this year. Great NWOBHM riffs, sing-along choruses, but not as cheesy as Hammerfall's antics.

a. begrand (a begrand), Sunday, 25 September 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

first buffalo album definitely comes in after the ones george mentioned. good but not as heavy as you'd expect something titled dead forever to be. two male vocalists, though, interestingly.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Sunday, 25 September 2005 21:50 (twenty years ago)

Drunk Horse's "In Tongues" earns reconsideration. The band took a step up from what I remembered. Not that arty, a couple noticeable boogies, one that could pass for a 70's song if they had a real singer. Totally get the two guitar thing right. Almost no one does anymore. And the final cut, "Skydog," is jazz rock fusion somewhere between Jeff Back/Jan Hammer land and Return to Forever. The whirring synth is even in it.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 25 September 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)

the new opeth is very pretty

ryan (ryan), Monday, 26 September 2005 01:43 (twenty years ago)

So is that new Gris Gris album as boring as it sounds, or am I missing something? (Not even sure they belong here; just though I'd ask.)

xhxuk, Monday, 26 September 2005 11:51 (twenty years ago)

From Liquid Tapedeck guy Peter Etcetera:

>Listening to a promo copy of Opeth's latest CD I got from Steve Smith and these guys are FAGS!

ARe there ANY good metal bands out there?

Yeah, Opeth has chops, but so does Celine Dion. So what?

You can tell these dorks have listened to King Crimson and other prog, but what's the point if they don't have any originality at all? (The whole POINT of prog rock was to INNOVATE and do things no band had ever done before.)

These fags do the generic growl vocals and then go into postQueensryche faggery vocals.

The record should be called "FAG SANDWICH".

These worthless putzes almost make me miss VoiVod.

You all need to stand up to these lemmings and tell them to

a. stop plagiarizing their predecessors

b. realize that you can be complex, but STILL have hooks.

(ELP / YES/ Crimson / Genesis / Magma / fIREHOSE et al's complexity was never gratuitous.)

(60-year old ELP can STILL play circles around these metal mooks!)

The Tapedeck did blisteringly complex math-rock and prog-metal but it was always stunningly original. (Listen to "This Is Not Supermetal" or "Eat SHIT, Meshuggah" again.)

We were the greatest art-metal band ever and you killed us off with your blacklists.

AQUI are also a great example that complex metal doesn't have to be unmusical or personality-free. (Your ignoring them helped break up the band last month! Nice going!)

I know Wolf still wants to hate Sleepytime Gorilla Museum but he should see them when they return soon. They ape the past [pun partially intended] but still add tons of new shit and Carla all by herself is superior to almost every metal act or musician in rock history.

ANd if XAR! wasn't such a lazy shithead, his "majestro" (majestic-electro) (aka operatic electronic prog metal) could take metal twenty years ahead.

SMITH! BOSLER! Tell us about CREATIVE metal bands!

And ATTACK unoriginal acts.

WHY is that too much to ask?

(Oh shit... this Opeth cut on now is a post-Kashmir rip off!)

sincerely perturbed,
Touching You
guitarist of Thank You For Not Screaming
ex-liquid tapedeck [Fast Forward Flood]

xhuxk, Monday, 26 September 2005 12:43 (twenty years ago)

We were the greatest art-metal band ever and you killed us off with your blacklists.

I did not! Everyone knows I am a Tapedeck fan! "Run Thru the Wind With Your Hands on My Timmy Tim Tim" is one of the prettiest pop metal songs ever.

Fast Forward Flood/Tapedeck Rejects & Bad Demos

AQUI are also a great example that complex metal doesn't have to be unmusical or personality-free. (Your ignoring them helped break up the band last month! Nice going!)

Didn't know that.


George the Animal Steele, Monday, 26 September 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

the new opeth is very pretty

Yes, it's the mellowest Opeth album I've heard - but I didn't hear Damnation, which I'm guessing was mellower. At first I was a bit disappointed because I was hoping for something that would rock as hard as Deliverance. But once you start listening to the pretty chords and intricate riffs and symphonic structures, you forget about that, and just start enjoying it.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

"So is that new Gris Gris album as boring as it sounds, or am I missing something?"

it's not really hitting me like the last one. i keep waiting for it to grow on me. i tried playing it louder and that didn't really work either. i don't know what's wrong with it. it's not horrible. i like the paint it black rip-off. some of the songs i can see being better live as smokey strobe-light jams. i dunno...hey, i'm supposed to write about it, but if you think it isn't worth the time, i might have to agree with you.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

i still haven't heard the new opeth. i don't have money to buy it, and i keep forgetting who to bug for a free copy.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:57 (twenty years ago)

I LOVE the new Opeth, but I am predisposed towards liking tasty fag sandwiches.

ng-unit, Monday, 26 September 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)

i still haven't heard the new opeth. i don't have money to buy it, and i keep forgetting who to bug for a free copy.

this is why my Decibel year-end list (due today! yeesh!) is so relapse-heavy

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 26 September 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

The Opeth album is still the best disc I've heard all year. It balances the prog, the brutal, and the mellow better than anything they've ever done in the past. Ace production, too.

a. begrand (a begrand), Monday, 26 September 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

"this is why my Decibel year-end list (due today! yeesh!) is so relapse-heavy"

this is why mine is so earache heavy!

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 26 September 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

I just submitted my top 20. I stretched the definition of "extreme." And I included Judas Priest.

Je4nn3ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Monday, 26 September 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

Wait, Xhuxk, did Aqui really break up? He's joking, right?

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Monday, 26 September 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

I have no idea. I never believe anything he says, so who knows?

But Jeanne, show us your top 20!!!

Wow, I wish I wrote for metal magazines so I could make a cool list.

xhuxk, Monday, 26 September 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

You can never tell with Chris X. Brodeur or "Pete Etc." There's always a nugget of truth buried in his most unfastened rants which made his mailings small treasures. He's an interesting fellow. I'm not a native so maybe it's obvious to everyone else but he had written a book apparently about his run-ins with Rudolph Giuliani. It seemed he was a regular call-in critic to radio shows which Giuliani guested, wound up being arrested six times and jailed at Rikers without cause, and winning a subsequent lawsuit against the city. Correct me if I've it wrong.

Anyway, he sent me a couple comic strips and a review or two he had done for a Voice competitor, (NY Press?) showing the same sense of disrespectfully rude humor which might have been too tough for the pub that was running them.

George the Animal Steele, Monday, 26 September 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

ANd if XAR! wasn't such a lazy shithead, his "majestro" (majestic-electro) (aka operatic electronic prog metal) could take metal twenty years ahead.

And this seems to be the old other member of the Tapedeck, Soy Bomb, the guy who got up and danced beside Bob Dylan years ago at one of the big awards shows. And I'd not heard of him again until now.

George the Animal Steele, Monday, 26 September 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

If Aqui really did break up, I'll be super-bummed. I thought that album was great -- reminded me of Teenage Jesus and the Jerks -- and I know it made an eddytor's dozen as well.

And here's my list of stretched extremities (heh heh)

[deleted by request - wait and see Decibel readaz]

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Monday, 26 September 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

Scott and Banana -- post yours!

ha I don't want Albert gettin' pissed at me

I am SUPER pissed that CM didn't send me the God Forbid in time! 'cause their last one was my #1 pick last year, or was it the year before - don't remember, but Gone Forever still rules my world completely, I feel like it practically justifies the screamed vocal + clean vocal school of metalcore

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 26 September 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

(Um, so should I have not posted my top 20? Do I need a moderator?)

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Monday, 26 September 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

I like the new God Forbid and all ("To the Fallen Hero" is incredible), but I can name about 10 albums from this year that I like more.

a. begrand (a begrand), Monday, 26 September 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

> stretched the definition of "extreme."<

just out of curiosity, did they actually define the word on the ballot? if so, i'd be curious how..

xhuxk, Monday, 26 September 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

The only criteria you need to be concerned with is that the albums are "extreme"
(whatever that means, right?) and that they were released (somewhere) in
2005.

I think what this means = "you probably aren't reading this is you don't already have a fairly good sense of which albums belong on this ballot and which don't"

although, and this is not news, the best "extreme" albums to my ears anyhow are either 1) the ones consciously, openly playing with their own boundaries or 2) those so ridiculously pure that they give me that kick of purist pleasure that's my own particular opiate

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 26 September 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

almost all of my top twenty are on this thread:

10 New(Ish) Albums That Are Better Than The New Nile Album

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 26 September 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

my number one album is extreme in a very unmetal sense.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 26 September 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

er, what would that be, scott?

i'm not sure whether i would include blues-based hard rock albums (for example, the supagroup one a la jeanne, though that's not my favorite this year) or not if i was voting in the decibel poll. either way would be fun. who knows, maybe i'd make two lists.

i don't think any extreme-so-called-metal-per-se has any shots at my actual pazz and jop ballot. subterranean masquerade (who i may well be the only person on earth to love, apparently) and minsk might come closest, i'm not sure. (i'd have to go back and check over a year's worth of eddytor's dozens before i wrote this in stone.)

xhuxk, Monday, 26 September 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

unless oi! counts as extreme metal. (does it?) because hard skin have a pazz & jop spot shot for sure (a better one than subterranean masquerade or minsk, at this point.)

xhuxk, Monday, 26 September 2005 21:33 (twenty years ago)

"er, what would that be, scott?"

ulver. it will probably be my pazz & jop number one as well. god, i haven't even thought about pazz & jop yet though. i know deanna carter and ulver are in my top ten. that's all i know at this point. when does the o-solo album come out?

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 26 September 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

and oops, i forgot living things! if i was filling out an extreme metal ballot, they'd probably be on there. they sound more extreme than death metal for sure. (so does "big boss man" by the kentucky headhunters, which will probably make my singles ballot, but um, never mind.) and there's a real good chance they'll make my p&j as well.

xhuxk, Monday, 26 September 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

Finally got around to Acid King's III. Fuzz-tone, moan drone downtuned doom jam slow as paint drying on a damp day. Actually much better than their Busse Woods CD five or six years ago. When the girl isn't moaning in the wind tunnel and just playing slo fuzz-burbling and brass single note runs, it's best. Bass mix argues with guitar and the drums are more crisp and with it than usual for the I'm so slow if I fall down I won't hurt myself crew. It was a coin toss between listening to Earthless and Acid King and AK won. The sound of a slow case of the clap, maybe. Man, the girl's record collection must be frightening. First song, supposed to be biker rock, and you can almost tap your foot to it. Almost.

Makes me want to put on Men of Porn's Experiments in Feedback, also from Small Stone, but a few years older.

George the Animal Steele, Monday, 26 September 2005 22:40 (twenty years ago)

They did a split EP with Mystic Krewe of Clearlight (guest guitar from Wino!), also on Man's Ruin, that I liked. Small Stone never sent me this most recent one, thought they claimed they did.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 26 September 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

Buried Inside has been my #1 since the third time I listened to it. Completely absorbing.

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 26 September 2005 23:32 (twenty years ago)

Now where is the LOVE for GRIEF? (A companion to my "LOVE for 16" thread). Long gone, but three albums at least on Theologian/Pessimiser, a defunct SoCal label I have come to treasure.

How 'bout Ackercocke? Should I inspect, they are -s0- 2004. Fuck it, I am doing a real retro listen and doing Grief tonight. And none of the stuff I have laying around from Candelight except Witchcraft is any damn good. What is that, a joke label???? ICE was a good joke, but where are they in 2005? And what about Liars in Wait?

I don't get it. What is it with the thing of here today gone tomorrow metal? Where is the longevity, where is the spine? Where is the we're going to stick with this worthless band we just signed until they turn in a classic or rupture trying gumption?

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 00:38 (twenty years ago)

And while you're reading, to make a great EP of Sabbath filtered through American sensibility and a love of psychedelic pop, one formula is to burn a CDR of Trouble, the tunes being:

"The Porpoise Song" -- Goffin/King to the max, with a killing floor outro and wah solo. Click, clack -- the porpoise is waving goodbye, goodbye, goodbye.
"Tales of Brave Ulysses" -- one of their singles or comp things
The song from Manic Frustration that breaks into Atlantis
"Till the End of Time -- not the Plastic Green Head mix, but the single mix.

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 00:53 (twenty years ago)

I worship at your altar, John, but I'm pretty sure that that the Buried Inside record is the worst thing I've heard in 2005.

ng-unit, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 01:26 (twenty years ago)

it is my favorite album of the year!

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 02:04 (twenty years ago)

(also, please to address me by the name my mother gave me: Banana)

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 02:05 (twenty years ago)

I like lots of stuff like that, but not Buried Inside. I blame my own prejudices. I still think you have impeccable taste! I'll give it another spin! Back to lurking now!

ng-unit, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 02:07 (twenty years ago)

So who has listened to Earthless? An OM/Ramesses kind of thing sans vocals. Reaaly boring or invigorating?

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 02:21 (twenty years ago)

more good local NYC hard rock (judging from their demo EP anyway):

http://heatherband.com/

xhuxk, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 15:05 (twenty years ago)

I like Buried Inside, too. Did a short piece on 'em for Revolver back when the album dropped. I should give it another listen; haven't put it on in awhile.

Today I'm listening to the Black Army Jacket comp Closed Casket. These guys should have been as "big" as Discordance Axis, but I have no memory of anyone giving a shit about them back when they were around. Maybe it's me. Anyway, they're grindcore, but they slow down a lot and you can often figure out the words. I like 'em.

If you've got anything around by Khold, George, you should check 'em out. I think their last one (they broke up, too) was on Candlelight. I liked it, though I'm not sure you will; black metal with occasional hints of groove and/or heaviness.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

Black Army Jacket RULED!!!....some friends did time in that band.

they later went on to do time in Celebrity Murders....who played a pretty ripping set the other night.

ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

i just got the new dave witte/chris dodge collab on ipecac. i dig him as a drummer, but this is the kinda zappa-esque patton-esque stuff that i never end up listening to more than twice. i was gonna start a s/d thread on him. i dig burnt by the sun and discordance axis, but he's done a ton of stuff that i've never heard.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

i need to get that black army jacket comp. i never listened to melt banana that much.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

oh, and i liked that municiple waste thing.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)

and i forgot about human remains. dude gets around.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

pdf, I just saw a 2005 release by Khold called "Krek" on a newsgroup.

recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

the municipal waste album is my #1

ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)

I don't get the Municipal Waste love. Like I said awhile ago upthread, I love D.R.I., but I don't need a new D.R.I.

Anybody else heard the new Paths of Possession on Metal Blade? It's a side project for George "Corpsegrinder" Fisher from Cannibal Corpse - more melodic, but still basically death metal. Erik Rutan produced it, and I like it better than the new Hate Eternal.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)

I NEED A NEW DRI. ID ACTUALLY LIKE 2 OR 3.

THE NEW M.W. DOESNT REALLY SOUND ALL THAT MUCH LIKE DRI, ITS WAY TIGHTER, SUPER FUN W/AWESOME LYRICS....WITTE KILLS ON IT.

ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

you know what wound up placing really high on my list? Fuckin' Krisiun. Everybody panned that shit but I loved it when it came out and I threw it in today and dammit if I don't love it - especially the mix of the ancient demo with the new stuff, and the slasher-movie atmospheric feedback intros & outros...my kinda love.

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

I'm gonna have to start thinking about my Wire year-end list; they work on pretty tight deadlines, so I'll probably have to have it to them by early November.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

The more I hear the Scar Symmetry's Symmetric in Design, the more I love it. These guys bring a stronger melodic sensibility than other Swedish bands like In Flames, Dark Tranquillity, and Soilwork. They actually know what a hook is...but at the same time, they're not above the odd brutal moment or two.

And yikes, is the new Animosity album ever great.

a. begrand (a begrand), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 08:12 (twenty years ago)

HAS ONE OF THE KEY METAL / ROCK ALBUMS OF THE YEAR even [Decade] ARRIVED ?

Burst - Origo (Relapse)

ecard featuring two tracks from the album
http://relapse.com/ecards/burst2/


BLOWN AWAY ! this is A+ grade sublime !

complex
commanding
epic riffs
multidimensional production
explosive energy
stunning dynamics and twists
cathartic intensity
hypnotic engulfing and evolving power
versatile vocals

sure you can hear varied vintage sound inspirations: Neurosis, Killing Joke, Botch, Tool, Cave In, Paradise Lost and Isis .... but who else in 2005 can match the complex dynamics and musical ambition of Burst?

When music this brilliant comes along - you just know it ! you experience it !

Burst have once again reached out, experimented and delivered.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

I saw Burst this year. Supporting High On Fire I think it was. I liked their previous album anyway so i'll have to check out this one.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

For those fans of Novadriver, "Deeper High" is worthy. Came out about mid-summer. About half put more classic metal rock and roll into the space metal with touches of Hawkwind thing they were known for. The swirl and bubbling is still there but more arranged into songs. The final two, "Blackout" into the smooth art noise of "Whiteout" really make the album.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

I gotta get that.

The new Premonitions of War thing is pretty good. An old EP paired with some new tracks. Not as good as their album, but pretty good. And nice cover art.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 16:47 (twenty years ago)

So I am finally listening to a Minsk track

http://www.myspace.com/minsk

They remind of that Japanese band: Envy [that post-Neurosis sound] and that British rock band Guapo [in terms of dark spacey psychedelic rock].

Some of the slower textures also have a Mogwai vibe, plus parts of the track [e.g circa 10 minutes into Holy Flower...track] are like The Cure's Pornography era re: some of the vocal stylings, and druggy psychedelic churning guitar sound. Also i wonder if they also listen to VdGG or even Magma?

Another band that spring to mind The God Machine

strange that this band are currently complete unknowns on rateyourmusic.com apart from my listings. [I only found out about this band via this thread.]

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

NOLA band Suplecs had what little they owned rubbed out by Katrina. But their new album's worth something, perhaps they will tour on it.
"Poutin On the Inside..." has, coincidentally, two cuts -- the first on the record, called "Tsunami" and "Black Cloud," the latter about seeing dirty water. "Tsunami's" pretty good as is one mostly instro track that does a '72 Jimmy Page blooz in the arenas -- the manner of which were all over "How the West Was Won."

Been an unplanned stoner week with Drunk Horse, Novadriver, Acid King and this band. From slow to rip a new hole to space swirl to total doom mud and some shriek if I throw Grief in.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 29 September 2005 00:43 (twenty years ago)

Suplecs also do backing music for blacksploitation movie for the tune "Spaghetti and Meatballs." Lite metal funky R&B instrumental, might just be my favorite from the album after the Led Zep cop. The stoner fans will not be bummed, there's still enough old school, that is if they go to the trouble of finding the record. I never see many of these things in anything but the superstores.

Was downloading some 440's last night, which isn't new, but I like "Slut Girl Blues" and the idea of the band, which was way pre-Slunt. And who is the resident Rancid Vat expert? The Steel Cage catalog is available to me, which is their label, and which would be the records on it to sample? Besides Antiseen, which I've had more than plenty of, what else on Steel Cage is interesting?

Hammerlock? Limecell?

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 29 September 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

That Suplecs disc is plenty rockin'. Hope it does okay for 'em...they've been hosed enough by destiny already, what with having their first two albums come out on Man's Ruin and all.

Got a package from Southern Lord in today's mail: the new Earth, the new Sunn, and Oren Ambarchi's Triste (which looks like my wife, fan of minimal electronic/ambient stuff that she is, will like more than I will). The Sunn is a lot better than either of the White CDs; might be their best one yet.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)

>who is the resident Rancid Vat expert? The Steel Cage catalog is available to me, which is their label, and which would be the records on it to sample? <

Definitely start with *Burger Belsen*. But wasn't there some kind of reissue comp a few years ago? I forget. I also vaguely remember liking some all-wrestling-song 7-inch EP they did back in the '80s, but I'd have to dig through my Creem Metal review files buried somewhere in the catacombs to find out what I actually thought of it.

xhuxk, Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

I think I had Burger Belsen. Wasn't that back when they were hand silk-screening their album covers? I seem to recall Rancid Vat being low budget that way. They were from Portland and then wound up in Philadelphia and now are in San Antonio, I think. Most of the stuff on Steel Cage comes from Philadelphia, one of the CDs having a picture of a cheesesteak on it. But I have no idea what they sound like now.

They were always well represented in the fanzines that print one paragraph reviews of hundreds of punk rock 'n' roll records I never see anywhere but in those fanzines.

440's Sparkle Plenty on the same label beats up the dame from Arch Enemy in barroom rock cred. (Does Arch Enemy do barrooms? Probably not.) A lot of 440's sounds similar to early Girlschool. They do a song where she sings about stomping on your johnson in her stiletto heels or something.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

The new Sunn is definitely one of my favorites by them. I want to like Minsk, but I find them kind of boring. Seems like the great production is the reason I want to like them. Maybe it will grow on me. I find it weird that some of the same people who yawn at Panopticon are hyping Minsk. Earthless is cool.

recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

yeah, george, *the cheesesteak years* looks like the philly-era rancid vat i've got on cd. definitely worth pursuing. saw 'em live once in philly in the late '90s; they looked really scary. *burger belsen* was from '85 or so, on vinyl, portland era, and yeah, a silk screen cover sounds accurate. wish i still had my own damn copy.

xhuxk, Thursday, 29 September 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

Well the 440's catalog on Steel Cage is fairly worthy so I'm going to go for the digital burns of Rancid Vat. You'd dig the former. Since no one sends me crucial promos, I missed on them from 2000
and now they're gone. It was Slunt before there was Slunt, actually a bit better.

It's the style defined by Joan Jett and Girlschool, way more to the Girlschool side which is to say they don't give an obvious shit about Tommy James and the Shondells -- and that's about it. The fast ramalama riff, squealing Chuck Berry lead, with hook punctuated by one song per LP of knuckle-dragging white-boy blooz power rock which is usually the next to best song or best song on the platter. Killing drummer, or just recorded well. The kind of thing "Prey for Rock 'n' Roll" purported to be but did not deliver rock cred on because it was that very sexy but lame chick from "Showgirls" and Girls Against Boys live (Cheater in the studio which meant the Angry Inch. I'm sick of Trask/Cheater. Bring back Coney Hatch instead. Can't do Helix 'cuz the lead guitarist is dead-dead-dead and he wrote all the best songs.)

Parallel track to Texas Terri, who also appears to have since jumped the tracks despite minor upward trajectory.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 30 September 2005 08:37 (twenty years ago)

Correct that. Texas Terri is doing a benefit for NOLA residents/refugees in LA in early October.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 30 September 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

The more I listen to the new Sunn O))), the more I like it. Despite listening to tons of metal and "aggressive" music, I'm not really a crank-it-up kinda guy; I've never gotten a noise complaint from neighbors, ever. But the louder I play Black 1 the better it sounds.

I was gonna go see Boris on 10/17 in NYC, but I think I gotta go to the Blackest of the Black tour instead: Danzig, Chimaira, Himsa, Mortiis and Behemoth (plus one other band, I think - one of those stupidly-named emo-core outfits).

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 30 September 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

Playing the new Old Man's Child CD. I always confuse them with Old Man Gloom, who I like. These guys are not nearly as good.

AOR/Prog--power-metal CD of the week is Brazen Abbot's *My Resurrection,* on Locomotive. Where are they from? Are they Christians? Either way, I kind of like them.

xhuxk, Friday, 30 September 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

(plus one other band, I think - one of those stupidly-named emo-core outfits).

the Chuck influence at work right there, or something like that

But I come bearing news of Wall of Sleep, a huge-sounding Hungarian doom band with Wino guesting on their Sun Faced Apostles CD. They don't play blues scales, they don't rip off Obsessed straight on or Sabbath barely at all. They sound like this:

http://www.stonerrock.com/jukebox/Wall_of_Sleep-On_Pain_of_Birth.mp3

What deceased 70s rats are being plundered?

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Friday, 30 September 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

brand new sin, on century media -- muscleman lummoxes for people who think corrosion of conformity (maybe even pantera) are "southern rock." in fact COC get mentioned in the press kit, along with ac/dc and motorhead, the latter two of whom, despite some passable riffs, are bullshit. tough-guy-shtick vocals so constipated and oafish they make fireball ministry on their new album seem like fiber junkies in comparison. the problem with vocals like this is that they *drag the music down.* so any propulsion it might have otherwise have is lost. and the music isn't anywhere near hefty or swinging or boogieing or hookish enough to support the plodding.

xhuxk, Friday, 30 September 2005 22:34 (twenty years ago)

rock!:

http://villagevoice.com/music/0540,eddy,68420,22.html

xhuxk, Friday, 30 September 2005 23:33 (twenty years ago)

So who has listened to Earthless? An OM/Ramesses kind of thing sans vocals. Reaaly boring or invigorating?

Whoa, I missed this one -- got to see them last year opening for Acid Mothers Temple, also picked up a CDR of theirs from an earlier live show at the time. The show I caught was fantastic, amazingly thick Ash Ra Tempel first album/first side/10x the volume type thing; the CDR had a Groundhogs cover, even cooler. I have yet to hear the album, but I must.

Minsk sound like God Machine, you say, DJ Martian? HMMMM.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 September 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

dude, ned, you can hear minsk if you click on that myspace link that martian posted.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 30 September 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)

rock!

It's going to take a little doing to convince me anything on Matador is rocking power metal.

As for Earthless, I haven't gotten around to d/l'ing it yet. The 24 minute "songs" are ... well, they are what they are. Sometime soon, though. The Groundhogs cite may just be the catalyst.

And I have to shout about Texas Terri's unjustly ignored "MY Lips" CD. Don covered it well last year but most everyone else missed the boat including me. I didn't catch up with it until last night. Jack Douglas produced it and he brought out the best in her. The songs are built up with glam rock power shouting with background vox furnishing subtle hooks. But mostly, he accentuated her brute force leather lungs which put her in the vicinity of Noddy Holder (not in register, she has a -deeper- voice, actually.) The woman is absolutely on fire as a rock shouter for the duration of the record.

I think the song is called "Raunch City" and it is maniacal in its forward slam. She's singing about being a "head case HEAD CASE! I'm the winner of the rat race!" and the backbeat nails it. The swing on it is vicious. Her first record was decent but it wasn't spectacular like this. Terrible title and I'm sure Douglas had a lot to do with the arrangements and final delivery which just goes to show you how much a sympathetic man at the wheel can turn something good into something fantastic.

George the Animal Steele, Saturday, 1 October 2005 00:24 (twenty years ago)

hey, i was on to the Lips of Terri last year too:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0441,eddy,57491,22.html

(though unlike Don I didn't top 10 it) (and as for Early Man, yeah, I get your Matador skepticism. Though I probably like Dead Meadow more than you do, too.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 1 October 2005 00:41 (twenty years ago)

First Dead Meadow on -Tolotta- I liked just fine. Came out the same year as Tolotta put out an Obsessed CD. Second DM album sounded like crap to me. Didn't bother listening to anything subsequent, which when they appealed at Matador, right? I ought to dig out the first one again.

But Matador, nah. They did Guitar Wolf for awhile, one of the biggest unintentional joke acts in God's creation. I could listen to Guitar Wolf occasionally, when into hearing Link Wray get thoroughly mangled and recorded like crap on purpose. Anyone who thought they were doing the guy justice didn't regularly listen Link Wray or greaser rock.

George the Animal Steele, Saturday, 1 October 2005 03:48 (twenty years ago)

dude, ned, you can hear minsk if you click on that myspace link that martian posted.

I will do this when I am not incoherent.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 1 October 2005 04:05 (twenty years ago)

Rancid Vat's "Cheesesteak Years" sounded pretty good to me. They have a retrospective coming this fall on Steel Cage but it's hard to imagine how the former could be topped for that style. Rabid dog redneck vocalist does Jim Dandy proud on "Hot & Nasty."

If Pygmy Love Circus made an entire album that was as good as the one or two songs they do per album that are actually listenable, they'd be Rancid Vat, the Tool drummer notwithstanding. Strong stuff with a rock and roll underpinning they never had in the days when the vinyl was way more homespun. I tip my hat. No better way to do heavy tattoo'd dirtbag music. If you need a rock and roll definition of "ranting," Rancid Vat will do.

George the Animal Steele, Saturday, 1 October 2005 05:20 (twenty years ago)

We've dealt the Waltham's "So LonelY' which kills and you can get it on eMusic. The middle eight-- again -- is from Jessie's Girl, and the rest takes sonic sonic timbre from Van Halen II. Damn you, listen to the background vocal -- I'm losing out! -- sung by the band while the main man sing's how he should still be the girl's prime dude. And the change in haircut makes a diff.

And I'm going to hit eventually you over the head with Jack Douglas's arrangement of Texas Terri's career supernova, Raunch City, and how it's one of the crushing metal tunes of recently (and I MISSED it first time out).

Really, the songs begins high energy, but the vocals are built to increase the excitement as the song accelerates to its climax. The drummer drives it as equally as Terri, whose super tough throat and lyrics work the beat mercilessly. And the guitars are Jack Douglas perfect. This track would have cut a trench in Aerosmith's "Rocks'! It's beyond that, really, over lightning bolted in the Texas Terri jar.

My secret weapon re hard rock/metal regardless of stupid metal promotions is now play. We're going to bury you with "Encyclopedia of Hard Rock and Heavy Metal" extrapolation. Which means others might want to explain why -- Minsk et al -- a CD I haven't even been able to find in Amoeba is anything else than propaganda. Is there any evidence that it's obviously in the racks to anyone but those who recieved promos? Not from telling on this thread! I've never seen it.

Minsk, Dvinsk. (Do you know the real town word?? Nah, didn't think so.) Or Smolensk? Brest-Litovsk?

George the Animal Steele, Saturday, 1 October 2005 09:08 (twenty years ago)

waltham album is way too long. would have made a pretty good EP though.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 1 October 2005 11:14 (twenty years ago)

??? Scott, are you joking? (i.e., my Waltham CD IS an EP, five or six songs -- it's not in front on me in Bucks County right now. I didn' t even know an album existed!)

xhuxk, Saturday, 1 October 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

That new Witchcraft (along with the first one) is one of the best metal albums I've heard in years. I've been listening to it constantly.

Aquarius haters above: fools. If you're a true metal fan you can smell your own a mile away. It's immediately apparent when you get into a conversation about metal with someone. I can spot an 'indie' metal fan a mile away. The dudes at Aquarius who stock metal seem to really know their shit.

God Body (Roger Fidelity), Saturday, 1 October 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

Did that Bedemon retrospective CD ever come out? No updates on the site since summer - www.bedemon.com

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Saturday, 1 October 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

So who's heard the new Sigh? I just ordered it and am pretty stoked! I love the last record, but hopefully they'll lose a few moments that were a little too...

http://www.unzeit.de/poster/Over_the_Top/Over_the_Top_72.jpg

Alan N (Alan N), Saturday, 1 October 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

Some poor grammar up in that post, yo. But I'm talking about those disco bits that would pop up out of nowhere and things of that nature. My friend said "this sounds like Mike Patton was involved" once and I'm hoping they'll steer away from that, if only slightly since it's part of their charm and all.

Alan N (Alan N), Saturday, 1 October 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

Aquarius haters above: fools

Do better. 'Knowing your shit' at a record store is like passing grade school arithmetic.

Anyway though, yep, Witchcraft's new one is damn fine.

Chuck, you must have received a diff promo mailing. The Waltham CD is long. Came with a DVD, too.

George the Animal Steele, Saturday, 1 October 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

i like the witchcraft too! i never heard the first one. i keep hearing the first one was a lot better?

yeah, chuck, mine is the full-length. it just dragged for me after the first couple of catchy numbers. kinda like george felt with that cd by the 88. i haven't watched the dvd.

i am digging the new album by skullfuzz. so far. you'll never guess what a band named skullfuzz sounds like.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 1 October 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

Twinkopop

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 1 October 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

i keep hearing the first one was a lot better?

Not a lot, incrementally, the band is consistant. If you like the new one you'll certainly like the first one.

George the Animal Steele, Saturday, 1 October 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

scott - the first one is a LITTLE better, but mostly because of production in my opinion, plus the song "No Angel or Demon." If you like Diamond Head even a little you'll dig it I think...

can we talk about Thralldom now?

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Saturday, 1 October 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

thralldom is great. but i don't have their new one yet so...

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Sunday, 2 October 2005 04:03 (twenty years ago)

Listening to God Forbid, and they don't sound horrible. They might even sound good if they got rid of the shitty lead singer throwing up all the time (the backup guys are less bothersome, though seemingly somewhat screamo.) They'd be best as an instrumental band, apparently.

xhuxk, Monday, 3 October 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

Or backup "guy," maybe (I didn't count). The main dude actually sounds more, er, nu-metal than screamo, I suppose (ok maybe not *that* much), something in the way his vomiting stops and starts.

xhuxk, Monday, 3 October 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

I've always liked Love Sex & Death's "Silent Majority" album. It must stem from Saturday morning TV I watched as a kid, a children's variety and cartoon show hosted by a mute street bum called The Lorenzo Show.

LSD was fronted by a glam rock singer with a deep bluesy voice named Stanley playing an LA homeless person. A major label gave them a big advance and the subsequent hype and shtick apparently antagonized everyone, maybe, but me. I thought it was hilarious. The pros overestimated their ability to sell it, especially to a mainstream audience.

It was unwholesome in a crass manner -- the arty and cryptic album art certainly didn't help -- and this link has the entire album on-line if you move up the directory. But the the miscellaneous tunes -- a cover of Alice Cooper's "Is It My Body," and Enuff 'Z' Nuff-like demo of a song called "American Noise (American Noise Annoys)" and live material highlighted by Stanley's unfastened dirtbag ranting are fair to good. Go for the live version of "Fuckin' Shit Ass" and listen to the tail shaggy filth story. "Jawohl Asshole" is worthy, and the unplugged creepy "1000 Santas.

http://www.7171.org/lsd/mp3/index.php?path=misc%2F

George the Animal Steele, Monday, 3 October 2005 21:13 (twenty years ago)

I don't get the criticisms of Aquarius. I used to go there to keep up with Kompakt releases, and eventually they got me interested in metal again. They seem to approach everything from a 'weirdo'/psychedelic/drug-music perspective, which a lot of the really dirgey doom stuff is (imo). I certainly haven't detected any kind of indie-kid metal-is-kitsch vibe from the store at all, though I guess I could see how someone might get that impression from some of the 'reviews' on the site. If anything bugs me about them, it's that they seem almost too enthusiastic. (I personally don't hear anything I like much about that new Earth CD.) But that's what the audio samples are for.

I changed my mind about Earthless. I can't get it out of my head that they sound like a really overindulgent garage band. It's background rock music. Sometimes it's nice to listen to it at work for atmosphere.

Is Minsk better than Isis because they don't have any hooks?

Have any of you guys heard The Sword?

recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 01:46 (twenty years ago)

which a lot of the really dirgey doom stuff is (imo).

A lot of the material is pure crap. When I was a Lehigh grad student I became hypnotized by the allure of crap for the sake of crap. Now, many years later, I know the psychoneurosis when I see it again. It hangs on a sort of dependable and cyclic microniche market. It's not difficult to feign deep knowledge and enjoyment of it. Indeed, that is part of the game, to trick others into joining you in a shared delusion. Apply re Aquarius.

Another example: Again the best paper in the world, the Sunday New York Times, interviewed some heevahavas on their favorite records for the "Buy This!" column in Arts. An Octis CD. Ha-ha. I would've put a thing like that on prior to sex and really bummed out my ex-wife back then.

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 01:58 (twenty years ago)

"They might even sound good if they got rid of the shitty lead singer throwing up all the time (the backup guys are less bothersome, though seemingly somewhat screamo.) They'd be best as an instrumental band, apparently."

This is true for many bands.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 02:12 (twenty years ago)

New issue of *Outburn* (among many many reviews, mostly metal -- what do Yodbsound like? I kind of want to hear them now) gave 10 points to albums by God Forbid, HIM, and Depeche Mode. Strange. Can somebody explain to me what exactly is supposed to be so special about God Forbid, besides their interesting racial makeup? I mean, they sound okay, but I'm kind of stumped about how people suddenly seem to think they're a great band. (On the hand, my confusion about them is more similar to my confusion about say, Lamb of God than my confusion about, say, Living Colour or the Bad Brains. So maybe race really doesn't enter into it. On the other hand, Lamb of God sound better.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 11:58 (twenty years ago)

(Yob). (Boy spelled backwards, I just noticed.) (Who I keep wanting to call "Yod", as in Byron Coley/Ecstatic Yod/etc)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 11:59 (twenty years ago)

>Is Minsk better than Isis because they don't have any hooks?<

Isis have hooks???

xhuxk, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

Chuck I haven't heard the new God Forbid, but the last one completely ruled my world. I don't think the "interested racial makeup" is the motivator. Gone Forever accessed that The Crow vibe perfectly (cue snarky comments about how The Crow was just something-or-other redone badly for the nineties - I don't actually know, didn't see it & am only ref'ing it for easy shorthand): dark mood, really propulsive groove (relentless groove, too), mournful melodies in the melodic parts and a pretty convincing feel to the screamed parts, which is my problem with most screamed parts: they just sound like "dude is screaming now" instead of "it sounds like he's really gonna lose his fuckin' mind." The God Forbid screamer dude, on Gone Forever, sounded like he was really going through some shit, and then the singer dude would come in and sort of give the more coherent expression of the same frustrated sadness & rage, and it was really...well...gorgeous. It was my favorite album that year.

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:14 (twenty years ago)

in first line I mean "interesting" obv

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)

Isis have hooks???

I don't know, maybe it's just me but Panopticon struck me as really catchy. I got parts of their songs stuck in my head for days. Every time I listen to the Minsk album it's like I'm hearing it for the first time. When their songs come up in the shuffle, the only reason I recognize that it's Minsk is because the production on the album is so good and distinct. The production keeps me listening to it. I love some of the stuff they do to the vocals. It's definitely not as... um... corny/dramatic as Panopticon.

recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

what do Yob sound like

Trudging and l-0-0-n-g doom metal/stoner rock "tunes."

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

I can't stop playing Yob's "Quantum Mystic". The singer guy has a fascinating voice...he does all the requisite doom vocals, and then from out of nowhere he starts singing like Dave Mustaine circa 1985.

a. begrand (a begrand), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

Decided I just can't deal with stuff like the Boris w/ Merzbow album. I get distracted by other things... like the accumulation of dust bunnies behind my filing cabinet. Also, the new Turbonegro went in one ear and out the other except for the track that sounds like the Misfit's "138" and the one about Kate. Xhuxk will I see you at their show next week?

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

speaking of guitar wolf, i just got the new guitar wolf tribute album and the lightning bolt and wildhearts songs on it are really cool.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

I echo everything banana said about God Forbid. I also like Yob. But I may not be trustworthy, because the best thing I've heard all week is the new Disturbed album. I just got the new disc by Growing, which has Earth comparisons in the press sheet (though it may just be because the CD is printed to look like a globe). Maybe I'll like that better than Disturbed. But I doubt it.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

when I kinda dug the Disturbed song I heard on the radio I felt real shame - I still think that dude is like the worst singer ever

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

I think he's great - he's metal's cantor.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

I'm really digging the Growing album just now. I just got the vinyl of Pelican/Mono split today and need to give it a spin.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:21 (twenty years ago)

I just shut off the Growing disc midway through the second track. Boring hippie crap. Now I'm listening to Total 1.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

i thought the dude from system of a down was metal's cantor. oh wait, you probably meant eddie cantor. which i can't go along with, cuz eddie cantor was great. maybe he is metal's jolson.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

hey! blackmail! i have that coffins mortuary in darkness album and it's fan-fuckling-tastic, i agree. all who dig the older corrupted stuff (maybe mixed with a bit of winter) should check it out.

i, menarche (yournullfame), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 22:08 (twenty years ago)

I think he's great - he's metal's cantor.

this is my favorite piece of metal writing this year btw, good on you

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

wow, the knack for avoiding metal and continuing to annoy continues. Well, the Accused broke up again and "System of a Down" is still not a "he". At least not when it comes to cantoring. Happy holidays.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 03:42 (twenty years ago)

"System of a Down" is still not a "he". At least not when it comes to cantoring. Happy holidays."

the singer is a "he". and he DOES remind me of a cantor in the synagogue sense sometimes. which is how i read "metal's cantor". happy holidays.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 09:41 (twenty years ago)

"System of a Down" is still not a "he".

this is my favorite needlessly bitchy pedantic remark so far this year

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 11:35 (twenty years ago)

(especially considering that the line about which I was commenting was:

when I kinda dug the Disturbed song I heard on the radio I felt real shame - I still think that dude is like the worst singer ever
-- Banana Nutrament (straightu...), October 4th, 2005. (later)

I think he's great - he's metal's cantor.
-- pdf (newyorkisno...), October 4th, 2005. (later)

so, umm, y'know, this is actually correct use of the 3rd-person masculine pronoun, and then scott said "i thought the dude from system of a down was metal's cantor," so, umm, like, the error you're claiming to have cited didn't actually happen 'til you made it up

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 11:39 (twenty years ago)

I wonder what this is referrring to, too:

> the knack for avoiding metal

xhuxk, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 11:55 (twenty years ago)

Ian likes to leave a yearly holiday note telling us how shitty this thread is. He left one last year too. I am looking forward to 2006's already. Thanks for reading!

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)

Was going to get one of the Loudness reissues on Wounded Bird. At the last minute, just couldn't do it. Wounded Bird must be counting on a huge aging hidden Loudness audience because they've put about seven of the albums back into the market.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

Spotted the new Maiden double live disc today; didn't buy it. Recorded at a single show, like most of Live After Death.

Going to see Meshuggah and God Forbid on Friday night. And in other-kinds-of-heavy news, got tickets for the World Sumo Championship at MSG on the 22nd.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)

movie of the year:


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God Forbid
Hazen Street
Candiria
Gizmachi
The Agony Scene
A Static Lullaby
Madball
The Audition
It Dies Today
H2O
Blood Simple
Ill Nino
All That Remains
Still Remains
Day At The Fair
Armor For Sleep
Diamond Nights
The A.K.A.s
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A Dozen Furies
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scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)

is this real? or some kind of guest-laden 'mockumentary'? either way, robble.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 23:51 (twenty years ago)

It's something flogged today by one of the p.r. multi-mailers. If Melissa auf der Mar got vocal training for her last album, she certainly wasted here time and money.

"tour bus humor" n., shit stories, cruel practical jokes, I imagine.
What's the idea? To get the "rock critic" to "buy" a copy and rave about it? Maybe it would be good for someone at USA Today or the Sunday New York Times' Arts section.

Hey, Wounded Bird released the first two Rough Cutt albums, too! Now you can hear the third gen hair metal band the guitar player in Orgy came from!

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 6 October 2005 00:34 (twenty years ago)

i have a rough cutt album. and a couple of loudness records. i think i'm set!

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 6 October 2005 00:42 (twenty years ago)

I remember when Rough Cutt were being touted as the next big thing in 1985, how they were Ronnie James Dio's Big Discovery. Thing was, somebody forgot to tell them to write good songs...it was some of the limpest LA pop metal to come out from there. Though "Never Gonna Die" was decent enough.

Spotted the new Maiden double live disc today; didn't buy it. Recorded at a single show, like most of Live After Death.

The new live album sounds pretty darn good, much better than Rock in Rio. I'm holding out for the DVD, though...

a. begrand (a begrand), Thursday, 6 October 2005 06:17 (twenty years ago)

just got the early man closing in cd. i'm enjoying it but it sorta sounds like what DFA1979 would if they spent a week listening to black sabbath and witchfinder general before recording.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Thursday, 6 October 2005 08:09 (twenty years ago)

I'm totally buying that screaming DVD.

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Thursday, 6 October 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

week listening to black sabbath and witchfinder general before recording.

Now this sounds like something I could get behind.

Anyway, I knew I was going to pass on the Rough Cutt. Instead I got digital stuff of Enuff 'Z' Nuff's last one in 2004, the albums ?, and 10. The former is a bit better. Their webpage is funny, the history denying how they were ever a metal band and it was a big mistake to have two video hits on MTV all dolled up the way they were. Of course, that record is the reliable money-maker and ? still sounds a lot like it. If you don't want to be mistaken for a glam metal band, don't do covers of Stone Cold Crazy and The Jean Genie. It's like a guy saying someone made him wear women's underwear in public and then a few years later seen wearing it again.

Funny story about Clive Davis signing them to Arista -- probably the worst place for a band like this -- and losing interest immediately upon finding out the band wasn't going to be another Badfinger/Raspberries, but were going to continue doing glam metal.

Anyway, I like everything they do. Am a sucker for that kind of happy pop metal sound with bits of Beatles and John Lennon voice thrown in.

Another new CD which I wasn't gonna put any cash money on: Savage Rock by Zodiac Mindwarp & the Love Reaction. Yikes, "editorial review" on Amazon says,

Long awaited follow up to 2002's album 'I am rock' this album was recorded in London and produced by Ingo Vauk (Bowie,Soft cell). Savage rock, 13 tracks you won't forget in a hurry.

Wow, no comment.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)

So. Are Avenged Sevenfold or Disturbed (neither of whom I've never knowingly heard) as shitty as System of a Down or the Deftones? (I notice a small rock-krit groundswell for both of them, so I'm skeptical...though hopeful, I gotta admit. I WANT to hear both of them, just to have an opinion, but I'm not gonna go out of my way, and if either of the CDs were sent to me, I must not have noticed.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:25 (twenty years ago)

OOps, Early Man is that Matador thing. I take it back. Shoo, almost ambushed meself there.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

Early Man is FLAT OUT AWFUL.
Avenge Sevenfold have some good thrashy moments but kill it w/cheese.
Distrubed, I couldnt get past the first song.

ddb (ddb), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

Are you looking for someone other than me (I'm assuming you got my spec review) to weigh in on Disturbed? Cause I think I'm pretty much their sole defender hereabouts.

What's your beef w/Deftones? I think they had a moment of brilliance (White Pony) and managed to hold onto some of their good ideas for the s/t follow-up. I'm anxious to check out their new B-sides and rarities comp, too.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 6 October 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)

I don't understand the beef with Deftones or System of a Down or Early Man. I kinda like Disturbed, too.

ng-unit, Thursday, 6 October 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)

I've only seen one video from Avenge 7fold and I thought they were garbage. Tattooed and pierced dudes in black who have sub-par songwriting skills and any excuse of "dat's cuz dey iz punx, oi" does not fly. Maybe they have some better stuff, I don't know, but that song blew. The singer from Disturbed bugs the ever-loving shit out of me. I definitely enjoy some of SOAD's and Deftones' stuff. It's a bit more contemplative or something.

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Thursday, 6 October 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

The Avenged Sevenfold album is overlong, and has a few too many emo moments, but damn, you've got to give them credit for trying to make mallcore interesting. The first three tracks segue into each other, making it sound like a nutty 15 minute epic, and "The Wicked End" is some quality bombast. Those guitar players are incredible at times.

a. begrand (a begrand), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)

got to give them credit for trying to make mallcore interesting

Making mallcore acceptable? Yug. The cure might be worse than the disease. Well, hell will freeze over before I get a promo so it's all theoretical to me.

Tummler had a record called Early Man on Small Stone back in 2002 or so. It's supposed to be good. Anyone know?

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

>Well, hell will freeze over before I get a promo so it's all theoretical to me.

I went out and bought my copy at Target.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

I really have nothing especially against the Deftones or System of a Down; just have always been stumped by the rock-crit support they get, given they're something like the 343rd and 526th best metal-associated bands in the world (respectively or otherwise, I forget).

I had a Tummler CD I liked once, but it's long gone. Maybe it shouldn't be? I think I was purging my CD shelves a year or so ago and had no memory of who the hell they were, but I must have liked them at one point if they'd ended up there for a while to begin with.

xhuxk, Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

Looks like it was most likely *Queen to Bishop VI*, from 2000, on Man's Ruin. I do know that every time I came across it I assumed from the space-age cover that they were some kind of electronica band (though now I'm guessing space-age = post-Hawkwind maybe? I dunno.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 6 October 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

(And yeah, Phil, I did get your Disturbed spec review, thanks; it makes me want to hear them. I'll let you know if I can squeeze it into the section some year, if the eternal backlog ever opens up.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 6 October 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

I went out and bought my copy at Target.

Love those kinds of stores. The BestBuy in Pasadena is my Target. There's a Target, too, actually. Heck, they're even selling made by Asian slave labor electric guitars at knockoff prices, too.

I get a lot of stuff at BestBuy that's wound up reviewed but this month I'm laying off there. The Avenged cover is one I'd automatically stay away from. Deftones I saw, quality packaging! And Disturbed got the ultra deluxe for the fanatic and stock packaging option. They all look to be in the forward placed hot sales racks.

Technically, the reunited Cream thing would fit here, too. At least the first live Cream album fits on this thread, since it's mostly heavy jammed noise on vinyl. I have a hard time imagining Clapton going back to that so did he?

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 6 October 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

Early Man is FLAT OUT AWFUL.

so i keep hearing. and i'm as opposed to the hipster fetishism of metal as anyone - if they're indeed part of that (before anyone screeches "THEY ARE!" please provide a C.V.), well, they still wrote some damn good tunes.

(not at least giving them a shot just because they're on matador is kind of retarded.)

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Thursday, 6 October 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

They're sure as hell better than a lot of metal on metal labels lately.

xhuxk, Thursday, 6 October 2005 21:08 (twenty years ago)

That's not saying lots. By statistical analysis of sample set it would have to be true because metal labels publish a lot more metal period and it stands to reason that some are going to publish a few gobblers, some will publish even more and some will be in the business of publishing all gobblers all the time.

So one gobbler from Matador is better trackwork but...

not giving them a shot because they're on Matador...

Hey, we have to pick and choose. Using label rep, or your impressions of the label's "likes" -- is a perfectly legitimate preliminary criterion.

Anyone -- feel now free to have a fit about me briefly bagging on Matador, just cut and paste from the stream of Aquarius. My feeling about Matador is like the one Chuck dropped on Drag City a year or so ago. Or does it have something to do with Homestead being the biggest deliverer of gobblers, ever? I forget.

I know they published Bunnybrains. I even bought the Bunny box from Narnack.

Hey, this isn't about metal!

So, public service announcement: The first few cuts from Tummler's "Early Man" sound good, deploying a nice ripping fuzz-tone on the riffs even though the guy can't sing. Haven't listened to the rest yet but they have the burn. If you see it used and the price is right, you'll probably do OK.

All this reminds me of the fast rise and quick demise of Man's Ruin. Whatever happened to that guy and how long will the cat be locked up in bankruptcy hell?

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 6 October 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

man, i'm diggin' the first track on this skullfuzz record. seriously sleezy riff. and they are on hawthorne street records who put out my fave hardcore instrumental power trio record by You Will Die. the dudes in skullfuzz were in the band Rival Schools. I never listened to them. And apparently some of them are in a new band with the dude from Bush! Yeeeeccchhh! Hope they are getting paid well. i wonder if they have to hang out with gwen? anyway, the skullfuzz beats the hell out of that awful melvins thing Altamont. not like that would be hard. beats the hell out of the last QOTSA records too. again, not hard. and it's not even that great! but that first song is a hoot. and they end the record with an instrumental take of it cuz they know i like that riff so much. with added drum solo!

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 6 October 2005 22:40 (twenty years ago)

just in case someone missed that doomriders album, you can hear three songs here:

http://www.deathwishinc.com/nde/audio.php?id=44


i dig it. dude from converge getting his doom on.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 7 October 2005 00:46 (twenty years ago)

>not at least giving them a shot just because they're on matador is kind of retarded.

Why? The last good record on Matador was the first Unsane album.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 7 October 2005 01:15 (twenty years ago)

Yep, Tummler's Early Man was worth the ear damage. Last song on it is a fine version of Saint Vitus's "War Is Our Destiny." And the guitarist makes some good use of his octave fuzz, which breaks up the same tonality stoner bands seem to lean on so much.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 7 October 2005 02:10 (twenty years ago)

Don't disagree with George and Phil about Matador, really; the label does release at least 90+ percent crap, and even their good stuff rarely has anything to do with rock music. So I'd be skeptical, too, if I hadn't heard and liked the Early Man CD. I liked Homestead a lot more than Mataor, actually (they had Death of Samantha!). I do want to point out, though, that Cosloy (assuming he has anything to do with picking which acts get signed these days, which he may well not) does have *some* feel for rocking music, or at least has in the past -- in fact, if I remember right, I first heard about Antiseen, Rancid Vat, Couch Flambeau, Human Zoo, and the Left in his great '80s mimeograph fanzine *Conflict,* for whatever that's worth. Which still is no fucking excuse for Cat Power, obviously, but still.

xhuxk, Friday, 7 October 2005 12:06 (twenty years ago)

Anybody besides me going to Meshuggah/God Forbid at BB King's tonight?

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 7 October 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

No, but I have notified Gerard Cosloy and Chris Lombardi that you will be in attendance, Phil. They are going to form a Matador posse and come and rough you up with shards from all of the Lynnfield Pioneers CDs rotting in the warehouse.

ng-unit, Friday, 7 October 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

I thought Lynnfield Pioneers weren't awful, oddly enough. They totally sounded to me like they should have come from Northern Ohio.

xhuxk, Friday, 7 October 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

Let 'em come. I'll be the guy in the Agoraphobic Nosebleed T-shirt.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 7 October 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

I like Pavement! and Exile In Guyville! and, yeah, Unsane. and even though in some ways the matador bunny brains album is some of the worst bunny brains (yes, i can tell the difference between bad and good bunny brains) it's still pretty good.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 7 October 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

I first heard about Antiseen, Rancid Vat, Couch Flambeau, Human Zoo, and the Left

Hmmm, I didn't come to them through that. Now I'd be inclined to believe these bands were noticed by the object in question for some other feature and that rocking was incidental. Example: Rancid Vat and Antiseen for being belligerently taboo-breaking cavepeople, Couch Flambeau for silly laugh vocals ("let's go through the windshield together" repetitive riffing on being an idiot if you lived in Cudahy), the Left for unplayable on the radio lyrics, etc.

Don't remember not being burned by Conflict recommendations that I'd actually believe for a moment in much younger days.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 7 October 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

http://www.matadorrecords.com/releases/discography.html

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 7 October 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

and come. i was a huge come fan. i think chuck must hate come, right, chuck?

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 7 October 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

yeah, come sucked. i liked uzi though. we talked about this before!

>...be inclined to believe these bands were noticed by the object in question for some other feature and that rocking was incidental...for being belligerently taboo-breaking cavepeople, for silly laugh vocals, for unplayable on the radio lyrics<

yeah, i can totally see that. gerard definitely had that tendency.

xhuxk, Friday, 7 October 2005 15:08 (twenty years ago)

So here's the deal: Since I'm never going to hear Early Man unless I pay cash money for it, the stain that is the Matador brand protects me from a potential loss in favor of other things I know by sight are closer to being sure or even bets.

Was the Unsane "Skrape" video made during the Matador signing? I can totally believe that as a Matador-stained thing that worked for MTV --"Ha, ha -- yes, a collection of vids of stupid white kids smashing their skulls and balls while skateboarding." Identified and capitalized on a normally hidden market in a malevolent kind of way.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 7 October 2005 15:10 (twenty years ago)

Anybody besides me going to Meshuggah/God Forbid at BB King's tonight?

-- pdf (newyorkisno...), October 7th, 2005. (later)

I'LL BE THERE.

ddb (ddb), Friday, 7 October 2005 16:47 (twenty years ago)

From the archives of something I'm putting together for the web:

Rolling Stone, How Black Was My Sabbath: The Four Princes of Downer Rock ca. October 1971. Very pre-Internet and all that stupid groupthink hooha about how kids networking in e-mail is a new aptitude DNA-tastically mutated into their genome and that it's going to do be responsible for things never done before.

One record exec: "They play to a young crowd, say, 14-17 years old but who knows how they hear about them? The word just gets around that this is the group to go see."

Another exec: "It's really incredible. They're not like our other performers and we don't understand their popularity, no one can figure it out. They haven't had that much publicity but their concerts are sellouts and their albums sell millions. The baby teenyboppers all just boogie up in the balconies and then run out to buy the records, and we love 'em."

Black Sabbath and Paranoid had together sold a million times...making [the band] some of WB's top recording artists to everyone's mystification.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 7 October 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

Request for describ and recommendations pro or con on the Buzzoven reissue. And G/Z/R, Geezer's apparently done in '95 album, republished this year. Oh, yeah, and Bottom, the strange girls from NYC who are/were supposed to be a stoner or art band, no one knows for sure?

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 7 October 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

I like Bottom. They're sludge/doom, not stoner rock in the typical/tedious Small Stone/Man's Ruin sense (though their debut came out on MR). Screechier and noisier than that, closer kin to the NYC scumrock scene via Eyehategod ripoff. The first album I heard, Feels So Good When You're Gone, was heavy like Tad jamming with Filth-era Swans w/Kat Bjelland on vocals. The most recent one was even heavier and weirder (this may be where the "art band" tag came in, cause there were flutes and instrumentals). They also disguise themselves as Lez Zeppelin and do an all-Zep cover set from time to time.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 7 October 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

I just got the new Capricorns album from a friend and I can't wait to hear it. The EP was great and they were brilliant live when I saw them.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Friday, 7 October 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)

Holy shit, Bottom is still around? I saw them years ago at Continental. Can't say I remember much about them other than the fact that there were 3 of them. Is this the same Bottom?

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Friday, 7 October 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

The most recent one was even heavier and weirder (this may be where the "art band" tag came in, cause there were flutes and instrumentals).

Specifically, that was what I was looking for. Much obliged, Phil.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 7 October 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

Hmm, Je4nn3, I even saw a Bottom cut on some live in NYC thing, recorded at the Continental, I think. In any case, I like Bottom's most recent, You'reNext -- which looked to be this year or late last. It
packs subtlety and dynamic, unlike most stoner rock. I also hear San Fran noise band in it, maybe Flipper, or the lead bass parts of Unsane, a not loud loud CD. Bluesy in the stuff that's not heavy and hardly built on guitar riffology in the heavy parts although Bushmills Jimmy from it is a good guitar spurt.

George the Animal Steele, Saturday, 8 October 2005 07:18 (twenty years ago)

fyi, re that bottom album:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0522,fissure,64431,22.html

xhuxk, Saturday, 8 October 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

Sweet, thanks kindly Animal! (And Cheddar!) I honestly had no idea they were still going.

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Saturday, 8 October 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

So has anybody else but me noticed how Deep Purple (or whoever calls themselves Deep Purple these days) are still making really good albums? I've never been a huge Purle fan (Stairway to Hell positions, for evidence: #259 In Rock, #286 Machine Head, #385 Fireball, that's it), though maybe I should have been. 'Cause Abandon in 1998 sounded really good to me, and then Bananas in 2003 did, and now it's 2005 and Rapture of the Deep (due out 11-1-05 on Eagle Records) does too. Just really catchy, with great riffs, imaginative structures, actual songs, tons of hooks. They make it sound completely easy, too. And nobody cares.

xhuxk, Sunday, 9 October 2005 02:13 (twenty years ago)

Popoff gave it a ten. If they sent more promotional copies around maybe people would but if I'm given the choice of buying Steve Morse Deep Purple and something else, the other stuff always wins. Another significant obstacle: Who would publish a paying review of Deep Purple besides you (in the US) even if it is a stupendous record?

The only way Deep Purple can work "reviews," or more accurately, publicity in the US would be at daily newspapers like my old employer. Then it would be tied to local date and the interview would run 5-6 grafs and even that would be a tough fight to get in, depending on the idiosyncracies of the features editor and if there were anyone on hand who wanted to do it.

Oh how nobody loves you when you're middle-aged. You might as well just die.

Unintentionally hilarious article on the twee in the LA Times today: Clap Your Hands Say Yeah vs. The Natural!

The Nittany Lions beat the Buckeyes! What a titanic defensive struggle it was, too!

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 9 October 2005 03:45 (twenty years ago)

Popoff gave the new Deep Purple a 10, which really got my attention. I want to hear this now.

a. begrand (a begrand), Sunday, 9 October 2005 07:19 (twenty years ago)

Did a quick quality check on Matador product to see if I was being unfair. Gave a good listen to Dead Meadow's Feathers. Considering I liked the band's first LP on Tolotta, then checked out after a bellyflop on the second and before ascendance to national distribution.

Oh wow, DM went from being a good spacey hard rock jam band in love with their foot pedals to hard rock for people who don't like hard rock wastes of time still in love with their foot pedals. Two numbers worth some listen, the opener which has a stiff riff, and the last - a thirteen minute jam which is unremarkable but satisfactory Hawkwind noise. In between, fifty minutes of jangle guitar set to no songs which either sound passively aggressive US altie or like neurasthenic Brit nerd rock with out of tune singing about the melancholy life while dipped in a Grand Canyon of reverberation.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 9 October 2005 08:05 (twenty years ago)

yeah but George the Matador album takes care of the horrible vocal problem that plagued the Tolotta album, so you gotta give 'em partial credit

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Sunday, 9 October 2005 11:28 (twenty years ago)

True. Now it's a vague mumble or a moaning wind and that seems to work OK.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 9 October 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

So I heard Avenge 7fold in the car on the radio the other day and I discovered they sound like a cheese-metal Stone Temple Pilots but without the knack for writing a memorable single. The guitar solos were nifty enough, but eh.

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Sunday, 9 October 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

Blare Bitch Project's "Double Distortion Burger:" About half of which is accidentally in Ted Nugent land, the rest near -- if Ted and the late pre-"Nugent" Amboy Dukes had been forced to make indie records on no name labels. (Diskreet not the same as mod indie.) And that's about the percentage of goodness on Call of the Wild and Tooth, Fang & Claw. Thirty minutes -- just right for this manner of ramalama metal rock and roll. Terrible title and album art should not deter.

George the Animal Steele, Monday, 10 October 2005 03:36 (twenty years ago)

On sale Thursday: new Terrorizer

ihttp://www.terrorizer.com/tIss/ter137f/bigt137.jpg

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 10 October 2005 11:26 (twenty years ago)

The new Exodus album is really, really good. If you like retro 80s thrash, you really have no excuse not to buy it.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 10 October 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

Haha, George, I love Blare! She's one of the nicest people I've ever met, period. And she shreds like a MANIAC. I've seen BBP play a few times and I have to admit that it left me missing Betty Blowtorch, but that could just be emotional. I'm glad to hear the album rocks. She's a helluva rock whore, so I'm not sure the Nugent thing is entirely accidental.

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

So, anybody wanna convince me the Atomic Bitchwax (who, interestingly, cover Deep Purple's "Maybe I'm a Leo" on their new album) are at all worth getting exciting about? I mean, the album sounds okay, I guess. Any reason to think it/they are more than that?

xhuxk, Monday, 10 October 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

(right now I'm thinking "way more generic stoner-rock than Drunk Horse or Dead Meadow* ever were, with a foot in the '90s Mudhoney I could live without," but feel free to point out where I'm wrong if indeed I am)

*-- and yeah, I agree DM peaked with their first record too.

xhuxk, Monday, 10 October 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

i think the old atomic bitchwax albums are cool. i like ed mundell as a guitar player (he's in monster magnet, you know). i like them better than nebula anyway. but i haven't heard any recent stuff. he has been doing it a lot longer than most people.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 10 October 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

Bitchwax are probably worth checking out live. Ed Mundell, the original guitarist, has been replaced by Finn somebody, who used to lead Core, and Core were a very underrated psychedelic space-blues stoner band. Their first album was on Atlantic; their second was on Tee Pee, and that's the one to get. I agree the album's kinda generic/just-acceptable, but Finn whatsisname is likely to cut loose a lot more live. The best thing on either of the first two Bitchwax discs was an Atomic Rooster cover.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 10 October 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

More good heavy boogie, from Athens, Georgia, of all places:

http://www.motherjackson.com/

xhuxk, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

So last night's Turbonegro show was good stuff, but lots of new songs. The set list could have been more mixed. Hank looked like a cross between Conan the Barbarian and some Appalachian pervert. And I don't know what the deal is with Webster Hall but at certain spots in that place, the sound is utter crap. You have to be directly in front of the stage for it to sound decent.

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

How were Early Man, Jeanne?

xhuxk, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

I didn't see them!!! I got there at 10 and Turbonegro were going on. When the heck does a headliner go on at 10 in this cotton-pickin' town??

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

xpost X100

well, I wasn't being needlessly bitchy about Wall of Sleep. I am curious what 99-cent 70s rock records I should look for that sound like that.

and a lot of times this thread stinks like a red herring factory, but what's a poor metal sucker to do?

I think the general haters' consensus on Early Man is "pointless" -- their best five minutes is probably the megamix edit of all their riffs on the Matador web site / b-side of the 12" vinyl. Wasn't Matador OLE-001 a heavy rock record by Austria's HP Zinker? Back to the roots, I like that...

The new Ulver sounds like a Tears for Fears remix project. Nice though.

I'm into Circle Meets the Square. It's screaming metalcore with dueling boy/girl vocals and lots of Honor Role & Jesus Lizard moments.

Back to Matador for a second -- anyone swooning for Circle should revisit mid-90s Bailter Space records like ROBOT WORLD and VORTURA.

There's a lavish reissue of Mercyful Fate's MELISSA with bonus BBC tracks and an extra DVD of a 1983 show. Weird excellence.

Speaking of Scandinavian occult sounds, Opeth's "Grand Conjuration" is a LOT like the Residents' "Safety is a Cootie Wootie" in mood, vocal style, and melody. Looking for secret eyeballs at the Webster Hall show.

Phil -- I'll be looking for your worse-for-wear Agoraphobic Nosebleed shirt at the Exodus/Three Inches of Blood show in Brooklyn on Saturday.


Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

Got three grindcore CDs in the mail from Poland today. Pick hit is Antigama's Zeroland - nine songs, 24 minutes, screechy 'n' dissonant with drums that sound like a game of ping-pong and vocals like really, really angry subway-intercom announcements.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

Antigama has a cool '80s industrial Godflesh/Treponem Pal first LP edge.

Here's their track "Izaak," probably named after the Polish guy who discovered headaches:

http://selfmadegod.com/mp3/mp3_smg021.mp3

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

What deceased 70s rats are being plundered [by Wall of Sleep]?

Hmmm, more of a '69-71 vibe going on there which would make it, slowed down, instrumentally like Grand Funk black "live album" without Mark Farner, same ashcan tone as Blue Cheer. Very much like Euclid's "Heavy Equipment" without the hippy vocals, first album Bang, early Poobah, with WoS's guitars not quite as competent. Oddly, it also had a garageband edition of Witchfinder General flavor. Good stuff.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

I was thinking Poobah* & Grand Funk -- thanks for the tip on Euclid.


* Free James Traficant!

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 20:46 (twenty years ago)

Heather: an NYC-based band with a live CD that's straight out of the heartland mid-70's stud bull metal boogie and redneck party rock. Nugent-influenced with backup singing which sounds vaguely like Boston on one or two cuts, a bluesy smooth throat on lead. Twin gnashing guitars and this reminds me a lot of some of the Monster label bands, regional acts from the early and mid-70's who pressed their own records, did well locally and occasionally blew off the stage an overinflated national. Others like it: eastern Pennsy's Full Moon, Cain,

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 14 October 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

All right, I'm amazed. Didn't have to pay for it, either. Early Man's Closing In isn't awful. The stain that is Matador, like a busted watch, was accurately metal at least once. Only two songs stick for me, though. "Death is the Answer" which is their closest approach to early Black Sabbath, and "Thrill of the Kill" which is set to a grooving shuffle, the kind English metal and hard rock bands used to love from about '71 to '86 or so. The straight thrashing power metal is competent but not memorable -- short on good to great riffs. From the EP, the song "Fight" is also decent. So that's three in their arsenal.

I also noticed most of the enthusiasm for Early Man has come burbling from blogs were the bloggers usually devote all their time to spilling on not even close to being rocking hipster shit going down in NYC. In other words, it's judged great insane classic heavy metal by people who don't like heavy metal -- the hard rock for people who don't like hard rock thing -- which is where I'd expect this to be pitched, it being stuck on Matador. By being on that label, they now have a dispensation to like one metal band, not all those other mediocre perisher-struggler metal bands that aren't cool although they've been doing the exact same thing.

It's the novelty pitch. Well, Winnebago Deal, who seem to do the same thing, never got their act together to field a distro deal in the US. Early Man equals Winnebago Deal.

But I'd recommend Early Man to listeners who are into it enough to go scrounging for second and third tier NWOBHM bands. I'm like that. I'll buy the reissues by the Cloven Hooves and Count Ravens and even keep 'em for a year or two before trade-in. Early Man is definitely as good as Cloven Hoof.

George the Animal Steele, Saturday, 15 October 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)

>I'd recommend Early Man to listeners who are into it enough to go scrounging for second and third tier NWOBHM bands.

I'd rather listen to Wolf, thanks.

Albums I like better than I thought I would: the new Cryptopsy, the new Akercocke.

Album I'm really hoping to love: the new Children of Bodom.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 15 October 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

I like Wolf better than Early Man, too, but what the hell, why not listen to both? Last time I played the Early Man album "Brain Sick" was my favorite track, and I also liked "War Eagle" and "Thrill of the Kill" and "Raped and Pillaged" just fine. So I ain't gonna be no hata.

Finally got the Waltham full-length in the mail; no songs repeated from the EP, oddly enough! "Cheryl (Come and Take a Ride)" is indeed great, as is "Nicole" with its '80s Bryan Adams ("Summer of 69" I think) riff. "Don't Say It's Too Late" may possibly be the only song I might not like, and hell, even that one might be the best Weezer song since *Pinkerton.*

Spent too much time with Epica's CD, probably. The mezzo soprano lady is completely ridiculous, but for a while I was hoping her presence was justified/balanced by the grunting dude and assorted lovely prog passages, at least in the nine-minute closing track. But I'm kinda thinking it's probably not.

xhuxk, Sunday, 16 October 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

i really dig tht ackercocke too. and i had absolutely no expectations for or against. it's a strong album.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 16 October 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

And oh yeah, Mother Jackson (whose website I linked to above, and whose guitarist is Moe Tucker's son) may only have one truly great track, namely "18." They're good, but Heather (whose website I also linked to above, and who George later recommended) seem way better.

xhuxk, Sunday, 16 October 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

The first Killing Floor album from 1969 is the kind of thing the handful of fans who love early forming metal would like. Heavy white boy blooz carved out in the same clubs as the Yardbirds/Led Zeppelin. Toughly recorded, the final song "People Change Your Mind" is a must have barnburner in the style. Great shuffling drummer, without the likes of whom Early Man's "Thrill of the Kill" wouldn't be so neat.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 16 October 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

>i had absolutely no expectations for or against.

I had vague-but-not-positive memories of their last one. I like metal bands that wear sharp suits, though: Akercocke, Ulver, Tin Machine...

Today I'm listening to Van der Graaf Generator reissues. These guys fucking rule. Glad I waited this long to check 'em out; the CDs sound incredible.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 16 October 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

Loving the new Knut record right now.

ng-unit, Monday, 17 October 2005 01:45 (twenty years ago)

Due to Early Man enthusiasm and the two-man metal band novelty (which they're not really, anymore), dug up C Average on Kill Rock Stars from several years back. C Average was obviously something of a joke but they were good at it. The guitar sounds crushing and there are catchy riffs in over half of it, as far I've listened. The song titles are goofy and the choice in covers is Catholic -- ZZ Top!

If purist metal tunes get into my Top 10 singles list for the end of the year, Early Man's "Thrill of the Kill" or secondarily, "Death Is the Answer" might make it.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

All right. I give. C Average is a joke band beloved by Eddie Vedder. Don't hold it against Early Man who descend from Primitive Man but
not Cromagnon on ESP who are so beyond belief in 1969 that they are beyond belief in 2005. Must I go off and listen to my Red Aunts anthology? Or can you tell me about Unruh which means Not quiet. Or should I just download the Earache tribute to Black Sabbath?

C'mon, hard rock fellows. The live Off Broadway album kills.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 21 October 2005 05:34 (twenty years ago)

Soooo, I saw teh Darkness LP review trumpeted on Rolling Stone cover. But I did not read it. I wrote one of the first Darkness raves (after Neal Strauss, formerly of the Times, please come back) in the US. No way, statistically or scientifically, the new Darkness CD could be the same/as good or better. No one can blow a couple years in hard rock and roll re mainstream recognition and pick it up again as late as this (without a miracle). The Glitterati MUST have made a better second Darkness album.

New Darkness album won't get past 200,000. Actually, barring a miracle on MTV, I believe it will be stuck around 70,000 TOPS.
FLUNK!

So many more hard rock and metal acts to enjoy.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 21 October 2005 06:11 (twenty years ago)

also noticed most of the enthusiasm for Early Man has come burbling from blogs were the bloggers usually devote all their time to spilling on not even close to being rocking hipster shit going down in NYC. In other words, it's judged great insane classic heavy metal by people who don't like heavy metal -- the hard rock for people who don't like hard rock thing -- which is where I'd expect this to be pitched, it being stuck on Matador.

Completely OTM.

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Friday, 21 October 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

hyatari's "the light carriers" is killing me. thick drones, sometimes with no drums and sometimes with godflesh machine drums. a little singing and a few samples, crushing but not crushing for crushing's sake if that makes sense. really beautiful.

dan (dan), Friday, 21 October 2005 22:11 (twenty years ago)

One of those Early Man tracks sounds like it was destined for a DFA remix.

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Sunday, 23 October 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

the early man album doesn't do much for me. the guitars are okay. the singing blows though. sounds like bad stoner-rock singing to me. which doesn't mesh all that well with the retrothrash riffs. maybe it was bad timing though. right as i got the early man record, season of mist sent me 7 records that i like a ton more. they actually sent me 8, but the new arcturus is garm-less and slightly charmless. i've been playing the new Kayser album over and over. slayerific retroriffs up da butt! i love it. that and the groovy Old Dead Tree album, Solefald, Dawn Of Relic, My Insanity, Allhelluja. And the new Confessor album! I dig that too. Dude who sings for Early Man is NOT as bad as the Darkness dude. I will give him that. The Darkness being the other recent hardrokforpeoplewhodon't..etc along with andrew w.k., i guess. i can't get going about the darkness though. my opinions are all over ilm. i bless chuck and george every nite before i go to bed. they know not what they do!

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 23 October 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

Since I mostly derived the hardrokforpeoplewhodontlikehardrock equation, I'll have to admit I didn't first see how The Darkness so neatly fit it into it. But they did -- quite naturally with no fudging -- with Sunday features articles in the LA Times and the New York Times on the very same weekend and about the very same thing, about the one song being about the joke that ran in the Voice on venereal warts. Just the thing big newspaper people would dig for their audiences who don't like metal and hard rock at all but think they might like something if just the right hand signal and dispensation were granted by the intellects of journalism, working in towns that have hundreds of hard rock and metal acts whom they would never even deign to mention in favored club listings.

Anyway, yeah, The Darkness became an embarrassment, even more so by taking so long to do a follow-up. No one serious pulls that shit. I'll not give up the record but it didn't age as well as I thought it would.

Anyway, am listening thisafter to an old Earache tribute to Black Sabbath with Cathedral and Iron Monkey on it. Makes me want to listen to Forest of Equilibrium or something. And the C Average stuff I mentioned earlier is up and down, some real shite on it offset by two Birmingham-tone imitations that are cool.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 23 October 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

Editing out all the stuff by Ultraviolence, Fudge Tunnel, Old and Scorn on the old Masters of Misery Black Sabbath tribute on Earache make it a pretty good 45-minute record. Two excellent covers by Cathedral. Always dependable quality entertainment from those guys, they even regularly break out the flute or piccolo and get pastoral like BS did. So I also broke out Forest of Equilibrium. And what happened to Confessor? Tell me about Confessor! And Anal Cunt's version of "Killing Yourself To Live" doesn't really blow like I thought it would. How did they get persuaded to do that without renaming it "You're a Gay Cobbler and Should Kill Yourself."

There's a Celtic Frost tribute from earlier this year just laying here. Should I give it some serious consideration? I see Marduk's cover of "Into the Crypt of Rays" is on it. That was fair to good as I recall when they issued a couple years back.

George the Animal Steele, Monday, 24 October 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

there was a more recent sabbath covers album with hipster-types like ruins and matmos on it that had an excellent racebannon cover of, um, something. sabbath bloody sabbath maybe? anyway, it was really good. the only good thing on that particular tribute album.

confessor? i dunno, they went away, they came back. i think some dude died. they put out an ep before this album. if you liked them in the past you would like this album.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

Best thing I've received in the past week or so - the new Sargeist, on Moribund. I'm still waist-deep in an ultra-grim ultra-necro primitive black metal phase, and these guys are totally doing it for me. (Craft is even better - can't wait for their next one.)

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:42 (twenty years ago)

I've ordered the new Corrupted cd. It's one long 71 min track called "El Mundo Frio"

I have the mp3 and its pretty good so far.

The Boris Archive set sounds great too http://www.archivecd.com/dairy.htm

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Monday, 24 October 2005 23:01 (twenty years ago)

Where'd you order the Corrupted album from? Any US distros have it yet?

Alan N (Alan N), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 00:48 (twenty years ago)

"I'm still waist-deep in an ultra-grim ultra-necro primitive black metal phase"

i bought that nortt/xasthur split on southern lord and fell in love with it. so beautiful.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 00:53 (twenty years ago)

http://www.stonerrock.com/store/ath.asp have the Corrupted cd. It's japanese import so quite pricey. But I doubt even Aquarius will have it any cheaper.

Certainly It's unlikely I would find it in Glasgow.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 00:59 (twenty years ago)

Hmmm... a little pricey indeed. HG Fact stuff usually goes for cheap (as far as japanese imports go), so what gives? HG sites lists this for $28 and the 2cd Llenandose is $20? Odd. Could it be the "SUPER DELUXE PACKAGING"?

Alan N (Alan N), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 01:20 (twenty years ago)

A friend in Japan bought it and he says the packaging is fantastic. So I imagine that must be it.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 01:24 (twenty years ago)

Damn, I would just bite and order from HG, since it seems like it comes with a poster.... but they want cash! Ouch! Either way, I want this pretty bad. It's been on my soulseek wishlist since I heard about it (well in advance of a relase date/leak); an honor previously reserved for only the last Esoteric and Boredoms records. The Esoteric one was worth getting excited about, at least.

Alan N (Alan N), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 01:40 (twenty years ago)

Tonite I was listening again to Cathedral's Forest of Equilibrium. I really love that record, particularly the first tune about "commiserating." Wonderful old supple doom. I love it more than Grave. Cathedral kills Grave and I like Grave!

Tomorrow I am set to listen to Ramesses, out this year in England, the one with World War I artillery pieces on the cover. That and old Confessor. The Ramesses guys were the rhythm section of Electric Wizard on the Dopethrone tour.

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 02:07 (twenty years ago)

And what happened to Confessor? Tell me about Confessor!

New album, fairly new EP, trumpeted by Lamb of God as a guiding light, it's a new age in Richmond. Unfortunately their old guitarist died of cancer. There's also the Loincloth band on the side.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 05:23 (twenty years ago)

Thanks. Am definitely looking into Confessor. Now dealing with Ramesses We Will Lead You to Glorious Times. "Over the top, boys," said Sir Douglas Haig at the Battle of the Somme, and all that. "In Flanders field the poppies grow..."

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 05:49 (twenty years ago)

Alan whats your slsk username and i'll hook you up (or send me a webmail, not the hotmail account as i rarely check that)

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 10:32 (twenty years ago)

>i bought that nortt/xasthur split on southern lord and fell in love with it. so beautiful.

The Nortt half of it, yeah, fantastic. I want everything by that guy. But I'm gonna have to dig into Xasthur a little more, because I thought his half was kinda disappointing. The Gothy guitars totally ruined it for me.

I took a look at that Boris archive thing at their Knitting Factory show. Didn't seem worth the money ($35) at the time.

Next show I'm going to for sure - 11/7 at BB King's: Suffocation, Vader, Cryptopsy, Decapitated, Dew-Scented, Aborted, not necessarily in that order.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 12:14 (twenty years ago)

No kidding -- Aborted and Cryptopsy are bright shining lights right now.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

I saw Cryptopsy/Suffocation/Aborted two nights ago...all bands were outstanding (I missed Despised Icon, who opened the show). Each band kept getting better...Aborted were excellent, Suffocation were unreal, but Cryptopsy topped 'em all. Flo Mounier is incredible to watch. My only disappointment was that they only did three songs off Once Was Not, which I've really been enjoying this past month.

Has anyone else heard the new End of Level Boss? Good, straighforward stoner/doom from the dudes who brought us Hangnail.

a. begrand (a begrand), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

I forgot, Despised Icon are on the NYC bill, too. It seems to be a joining forces of two tours - I'm writing up Vader/Decapitated/Dew-Scented for Cleveland, and I guess the other four are all out together, too.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

that's a nice lil' bone-crushing bill there.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

i don't think i've ever heard despised icon or dew-scented. i dig the rest though. so, is bb king's the metal venue of choice in new york, or what? just wondering.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)

Can I talk about the new NWOBHM compilation on Sanctuary here, or is this thread just for new stuff?

Matt #2 (Matt #2), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 22:27 (twenty years ago)

you can and must! what is it?

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 23:04 (twenty years ago)

OK, it's a 3CD set called "Lightnin' To The Nations - NWOBHM 25th Anniversary Collection". 56 tracks, almost 4 hours. Some bands that shouldn't be on there (Atomkraft, from 1986 - NOT NWOBHM!) and some notable omissions, among them Mythra, Witchfynde, Witchfinder General, Demon, A11Z, More, Tank, Shiva. No Iron Maiden or Def Leppard either but that'll be licensing problems I guess.

The best tracks for me are the ones where the band is stretching to achieve something that lies just (or in some cases a long way) beyond what they're technically able to achieve. Seems like those bands are conveying more emotion or vulnerability or something than the more technically adept yet mediocre acts. I'd rather hear 19 year old idiots from Yeovil trying to recreate Sad Wings Of Destiny on a budget of £50 over bandwagon-jumping pub rock lags any day.

Highlights - Trespass, Blitzkreig, Angel Witch, Venom, Silverwing, Sledgehammer, Warfare.

Lowlights - Quartz, Samson, Cloven Hoof (disappointingly).

Oh yeah, and one of the spotty herberts headbanging on the front cover is my brother, age 17! Plus his bandmates from their short-lived NWOBHM combo Deathwish.

Matt #2 (Matt #2), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 23:26 (twenty years ago)

He's the one in the middle :

http://www.townsend-records.co.uk/i/covers/6592374.jpg

Matt #2 (Matt #2), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 23:28 (twenty years ago)

Doesn't say on Amazon but I see it appears to have "Rock You Tonite" by Marseille, "Hollywood Tease" by Girl and "Captured City" by Praying Mantis. I have those and can attest they're good performance. My favorite is probably "Captured City." "Vice Versa" isn't the best choice to rep Samson. There were lots better tunes. And a live version of "Motorcycle Man" isn't exactly at the top of the Saxon pile. I think I might get it anyway.

Been listening to Ramesses We Will Lead You... It's very decent, short enough so that the troll vocal isn't around much. The riffs are pummeling doom, the drummer ex of Electric Wizard giving most of it a good forward sense of groove. "Witchampton" is excellent.

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 23:44 (twenty years ago)

The Saxon track is worth it to hear whichever guitarist it is try (and Fail) to emulate Ronnie Montrose's intro to Bad Motor Scooter. I'll give Marseille another try but they sounded more like Mott The Hoople to me. They shoulda put Nutz on there instead.

Matt #2 (Matt #2), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 23:49 (twenty years ago)

>so, is bb king's the metal venue of choice in new york, or what?

Pretty much, unless you count that basement in Queens where all the death metal bands from South America play. There are lots of venues booking metal in Manhattan these days, though, depending on size - Roseland, Irving Plaza, the Nokia Theater (which I've never been to)...but BB King's is where all the really good death metal shows are.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 00:07 (twenty years ago)

The Trocadero gets a number of good shows here (Philly), but nothing on par with those you've described in this thread Phil.

This Crypticus disc "Dedicated to the Impure" is kinda on the insane side, incidentally. Came out back in August as it so happens.

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 00:14 (twenty years ago)

Alan whats your slsk username and i'll hook you up (or send me a webmail, not the hotmail account as i rarely check that)

It's 'mcgarnickle'. Thanks!

So, how is it then? Last few releases have been pretty amazing.

Alan N (Alan N), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 01:10 (twenty years ago)

Damn! That NWOBHM comp looks great. I have a lot of the tunes anyways, via stuff like Metal For Muthas 1 & 2 (as well as some source albums), but I'd still buy that just to have what would ostensibly be a killer mix CD with fantastic packaging. Its got Avenger and Xero! Its automatically classic.

BTW, since when were south american death metal acts not good? I'll take the generic Brazilian sound over the generic American DM sound right now.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 01:25 (twenty years ago)

I'll give Marseille another try but they sounded more like Mott The Hoople to me

Naw, Marseille sounded like commercial Def Leppard half a decade before commercial DL, and without Mutt Lange or better hooks. But the album that came from was a good one and it got some play in the midwest in the States. Most of the NWOBHM bands on this collection didn't even get stateside releases, were only available as imports. And that was the second Marseille album. The first was recalled by the label. Sanctuary put a Marseille double disc together last year and some including it all. A fair to excellent band.

Nutz would've been Rage by that point. Their song on the first Metal for Muthas upheld the Nutz tradition.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 26 October 2005 04:20 (twenty years ago)

>BTW, since when were south american death metal acts not good?

Didn't say that at all. All I'm saying is, there's this one tiny place in Queens that books shows by bands you've never heard of, coming up from Bogota and staying on the guitar player's cousin's living room floor for a week.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 12:19 (twenty years ago)

Did that place ever actually open, Phil? It's within walking distance from my apartment, and they booked one show a few months back (mostly metal bands featuring Latin American guys from the US, as I recall; just one band actually from South America per se, right?), but a week later my better half and I stopped by on a Saturday night we drank and ate with the guys running the place, but it looked like (and they said) they had plenty of renovation to do before they could actually start booking more bands. So did they, ever? If so, I wish they'd tell me, so we could start listing the shows in the *Voice.*

Leaning toward thinking Tokyo Dragons (from England I guess, album on Escapi Music) are almost as ignorable as Danko Jones (see above): pro-forma/competent hard-rock/pop-metal riffs under lyrics ("let's go get high," "c'mon baby and shake that ass") stupider than hard-rock and pop-metal ever were. Ha ha, get it? It's a joke. Just not a funny one. Though anybody who wants to try to convince me otherwise is welcome. I can imagine there being a good song on here somewhere; just don't know how much energy I have to dig around for the thing.

CD-R EP by Ann Arbor via Brooklyn's Awesome Color is faux-*Funhouse* (minus sax) pysch-blues slime with better singing and songs, probably better guitar playing too, than the Laughing Hyenas ever had (hell, maybe better than the Birthday Party ever had), if anybody cares.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 26 October 2005 12:30 (twenty years ago)

>Didn't say that at all. All I'm saying is, there's this one tiny place in Queens that books shows by bands you've never heard of, coming up from Bogota and staying on the guitar player's cousin's living room floor for a week.<

Well, shit. Now I want to visit NYC more often.

Any idea on a website where any info for the shows is posted?

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 12:46 (twenty years ago)

Here's the review we ran of the first show at that place:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0525,sotc1,65107,22.html

The writer says four bands featured members from Latin America, but again, as I recall, that mostly meant that the members had been *born* there, but they live in the States now. Maybe I'm wrong though.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 26 October 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)

Another thing for Bill O'Reilly to get pissed about.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 26 October 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

Hah. I actually know Bloodthrone already. Pan-Flute with death metal? I'm intruiged by that though.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

new Ephel Duath 2 new tracks at myspace.com

http://www.myspace.com/ephelduath

Ephel Duath - Pain Necessary to Know

UK / European release: October 31st

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

So, any reason I should be spending any more time than the seemingly wasted 15 minutes (through the third track, a "Breaking the Law" cover) I already did with Doro's *Classic Diamonds*? I never actually heard her music before, though I've seen pictures. (I got sent a DVD too, which may have pretty pictures on it too but I doubt I'll get around to checking.) Anyway, she sounds ok, I suppose. But I'm gonna move on unless somebody gives me a real good reason that I shouldn't.

xhuxk, Friday, 28 October 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

The Wire didn't run my Minsk review, so I posted it here.

Got the new Falkenbach album, Heralding The Fireblade, in the mail today. Viking metal, pretty good stuff. On Napalm, a label that's just started sending me stuff - they put out a new Belphegor album earlier this year that's great.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 28 October 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

Someone post a more recent picture of Doro on an Arch Enemy thread. Age has made Doro look grim. Oh, it sucks how it does that to all of us, cut down in our prime. Arch Enemy's the new Warlock. Mebbe Doro was the first to truly fulfill the young purist metal fan's hankering for vagina dentata fantasy. No, it wasn't Fabienne Shine, she just made you want to rub your johnson against her leather pants.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 28 October 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

Explain to me the oomph and push behind Living Things. The CD has Q Prime as managing them so someone must be thinking big. The album didn't strike me as something that was going to appeal to masses in 2005 or 2006 without a miracle or two being dispensed. I like more than half of it though. Odd, for an album that's all stubbornly mid-tempo stuff.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 3 November 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

I am digging the new Watchmaker album and the new Grimfist album on Candlelight. The Grimfist is great! A little thrash, a little death, a little black metal, a little doom. Seriously satisfying to me. I also am digging the album by Divine Empire. Florida death from two dudes who were in Malevolent Creation.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 3 November 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I'm kind of taken aback about the sudden press splurge for Living Things, too -- 4-star Rolling Stone review (more stars than the lead-what-the-fuck review that the incredibly dull Matt Pond PA got -- somebody explain the oomph and push behind *them*; has a more marginal band ever lead Rolling Stone's review section???), Spin review, etc. I really didn't expect that, after Living Things had been kind of floating around aimlessly for like two years, with two (three? I lost count) barely released EPs, a never-released (except in Japan or somewhere) album, very small club shows and/or showcases (hard to tell the difference with them; apparently they're still playing *free* in New York this Sunday). Plus they seem to be (or at least they present themselves as) loose canons who'd be really hard to work with; the bassist passing out after two songs at CBGB's last year couldn't have been seen as a great omen for those manning the star-making machinery. But I assume now there must be hope that they could be a Nirvana-style success story; fat chance, but maybe Jet fans would go for them at least? The single, "Bom Bom Bom," is the danciest and one of the less frantically intense tracks on the album; video is somewhat beautiful, in a somewhat whimsical Magical Mystry cartoon kind of way, with frontguy Lillian Berlin all glammed up and dancing to look totally like Marc Bolan (so maybe the idea is they'll appeal to Franz Ferdinand/Killers fans too?), singing about kids too young to drink and smoke signing up for the Army to go drop bomb bomb bombs in the desert, his bandmate siblings riding camels around them, bringing Iraqis to their knees and Republican elephants (which you *see*, he never calls them Republicans) to their knees; then Lillian turns into a giant flag-waving Uncle Sam character; is it for or against the war? Nobody will know. And of course their even greater bomb song, "Bombs Below," probably the best hard rock single of the decade still as far as I'm concerned, is about the same thing. And some other songs are about how God created hate and other religion-bating incoherence like that. Album seems to flag and slow down some halfway through; first half kills. May or may not place in the second half of my Pazz and Jop top ten. Can it sell? Hell if I know. But apparently somebody decided in the last few weeks that it just might, because suddenly there's support and I suppose money backing them up.

xhuxk, Thursday, 3 November 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

Given the protest angle, I wouldn't doubt that somebody may well be thinking "Green Day" as well -- even though Green Day's politics are even less coherent than Living Things, they're *thought of* as political, and obviously their album sold a billion copies (plus maybe they're both seen as "punk", even though they sound nothing alike.) (I'm curious what Living Things get branded as, in general -- punk, hard rock, grunge, garage, metal, new wave? We'll see, maybe.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 3 November 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)

I've never heard of Living Things. They're probably no worse than an awful band who opened for Iggy and the Stooges at Roseland last year whose name I can't remember. They were equally politically incoherent and very emphatic about it. Yyyyyyyyaaaaaaawwwwwwnnnnn.

I'm currently listening to the Boris/Merzbow CD Sun Baked Snow Cave. It's very beautiful. Doesn't sound like Boris or Merzbow. Recommended to all.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 3 November 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

I think Godsmack opened for the Stooges with an acoustic set. (From what I caught of it, their set stunk even more than the Stooges' did.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 3 November 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

(Then again, was "I'm a street walking cheetah with a heart full of napalm/I'm a runaway son of the nuclear A-bomb" for or against THAT war? Getting off on the war while it pisses you off is the part of the point. Political incoherence in music is not always a bad thing.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 3 November 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

Seconding Boris/Merzbow.

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Thursday, 3 November 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

>I think Godsmack opened for the Stooges with an acoustic set.

Yeah, but there was another band before them that was even worse. I can't remember their name now, but it was an acronym - S.T.U.N. or something like that.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 3 November 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

Lillien's too much of a mumbler/singer to get across what he's trying to get across, other than the melody, if there is indeed a protest angle. The lyrics didn't make a great deal of lucid sense to me. Didn't read all of them. Doesn't matter, I could care less.

The album's inner book art has four people sort of posing in an artist's conception of military/M-16/bow and arrow pose over gunned down others. They remind me of the Hangmen, only better. It seems to me the sound was more common back around 91 or just pre-Nirvana when the record companies tried to capitalize futilely on a dirtied up sleaze rock bands like Vain, the Sea Hags, the Nymphs. The Sea Hags, Hangmen and Nymphs were spectacular failures, too. Money spent, management aligned, no one was biting. Heck, I'd even through Life Sex & Death in there as another similar blow-up. Lillien could be the kind of loose cannon "Stanley" was.

I like the record. It's not a top tenner. Similar to the Backyard Babies if I liked the Backyard Babies more, I think. Could do with more chop in the arrangements. Still, that's a quibble.

Q Prime often lined up to back and manage big zeros. The name that comes to mind immediately is Warrior Soul. They were supposed to be political, too.

Don't get sent Candlelight stuff. I know I bagged on the label a little earlier but bought and liked Witchcraft's new one. Plus, I.C.E. was entertaining for a brief time. Saw Grand Magus and Bronx Casket Company in the store the other day. Won't buy 'em at this point but would love to hear 'em. Liked some of Grand Magus' debut on TMC a few years back and still have Bronx Casket Company's debut, which was hilarious. Now they're into covering "FreeBird" as ghoul metal which sounds like a potentially amusing idea to me.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 3 November 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah, Murdock's "Amplification" is getting some mileage. Twenty plus minutes of high velocity metal r 'n' r, the biker rock thing ala first album Godz only not as funny.

JPT Scare Band's Jamm Vapours is great plus they sent me T-shirts and everything they have in the closet. Another set, Rum Rum Daddy comes in a close second to JV. Think mid-70's heavy hard rock with an exceptional guitarist and a nice acid acrid sound. Plus, there a couple good hooks in the tunes.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 3 November 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

> S.T.U.N. or something like that. <

Yeah, I remember them. They were horrible. From LA, I think, and yeah, also marketed as political. As were Amen, if I remember right, who were also horrible, and I think the press in England bought their hype but no one here did. Which reminds me that Spin seems to think the Living Things will be enjoyed by Libertines fans, which there are really not very many of in the States, which is understandable given that the Libertines are more inept shambling Brit-pop than hard rock anyway, as far as I can tell. (Though I guess they have a kind of rep as rowdy young lads who start rows in the loo, just like Oasis did; you just can never hear the loo in their music. Or the dope, really.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 3 November 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

Or maybe you CAN hear the loo, who knows. Just not the row.

xhuxk, Thursday, 3 November 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

Speaking of Spin, xhuxk, did you see the review of the book on the iPod in the NY Times book review last Sunday? Reviewed by a Spin editor who in the last paragraph went on about how the iPOd was great because it made rock critics irrelevent, you know, those narcisstic dipshits who have over 3000 records in their collection and were the only people who had the time, money and inclination to have a 3000+ record collection, except now iPod makes them nobodies because thousands of people can have 3000+ record collections in their pocket, hee-hee. 3000 records! That's the magic number.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 3 November 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, sad to say, I did see that thing. What a dumbass.

xhuxk, Thursday, 3 November 2005 23:16 (twenty years ago)

By the way, I really like this (conceivably Christian) mainstream hard rock band from Philly, though if you're not the kind of person who could tolerate, say, "Gel" by Collective Soul or "Unglued" by Stone Temple Pilots or Bang Tango or Beautiful Creatures or the most rocking songs by Billy Idol or the Cult, you better not bother (and to heck with you):

http://gracieband.com/index2.html

Also, I LOVE this new wave fake punk band from LA (their album has a better shot at my top 10 than living things even), though if you're not the kind of person who can tolerate Pearl Harbor and the Explosions, *definitely* don't bother (and either way, you're free to ask why I'm mentioning them on the metal thread. Cause I'm kinda sick of metal right now, maybe? There you go. I'm sick of all the metal that's listenable just being background Muzak! The four rock bands I liked most this year - Hold Steady, Bang Sugar Bang, Hard Skin, Living Things - were something else. When metal gets better again, I'll like it more.):

http://www.bangsugarbang.com/

xhuxk, Thursday, 3 November 2005 23:35 (twenty years ago)

Also notable: How, on the Waltham DVD, when they tell some radio asswipe interviewing them that they're really influenced by '80s music, he gets all "Yeah, I was really into Iron Maiden back then too," and they shoot back with, nope, we meant Rick Springfield and the Outfield and Cheap Trick and Men at Work. With totally straight wickid pissah faces, ha!

xhuxk, Thursday, 3 November 2005 23:43 (twenty years ago)

I loved Warrior Soul!!!

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Friday, 4 November 2005 00:02 (twenty years ago)

I mean, I actually *like* that Merzbow/Boris CD. I totally have uses for beautiful thrash noizak whilst washing dishes and drinking my morning coffee and stuff. I just have trouble convincing myself that that kind of music is made by *people.* It just...sort of...EXISTS or something. It has no personality. Which is fine, as it goes, but there's a difference between me liking something and me really *giving a shit* about it. Also it bothers me that the best hard rock singles of the year were by people with names like Shooter Jennnigs and the Kentucky Headhunters and Miranda Lambert. I miss the days when metal had *songs*!

xhuxk, Friday, 4 November 2005 00:23 (twenty years ago)

we meant Rick Springfield and the Outfield and Cheap Trick and Men at Work. With totally straight wickid pissah faces, ha!

Did you notice how the singer used to have hair just like some stupid Boston emo punk rocker's in the early concert footage, then all of sudden he gets a makeover and looks like someone from the Stray Cats?
Neat! It made a difference. He goes from looking like a dweeb to an Eighties dude who could be on the set of an MTV vid shot in an auto repair garage. Verisimilitude to subject matter and audience. Always important to take care of the details.

I regretfully inform that all my Warrior Soul CDs have since bit the dust. I still have my old King of Kings CD. Does anyone remember King of Kings? They were kind of in the same boat except less attempts at being literary.

You know, the Cult mainstream albums and a Quiet Riot remake of all their Metal Health hits are some of the biggest hard rock downloads on eMusic? Those and Early Man.

Guess I'll have to listen to Living Things more. I'm not as flipped out about as you yet. Might not happen, I could be not having the right thing for the Berlin brothers, if they're brothers. Still think there are two singles on the Early Man record.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 4 November 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)

Did you listen to the Glitterati, xhuxk? I liked them for about a month in a sub-but-effective GnR kind of way. Mike Clink gave them a sound and they wound up somewhere near a bit harder and looser version of Marseille.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 4 November 2005 00:45 (twenty years ago)

"When metal gets better again, I'll like it more."

aw, that's sad. it was such a great year for metal. you should turn up that background metal you like and make it foreground metal.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 4 November 2005 00:57 (twenty years ago)

"I miss the days when metal had *songs*!"

I heard lots of great songs. I'll make you a tape.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 4 November 2005 00:59 (twenty years ago)

Nah, still don't think I've ever heard (or even seen) that Gliteratti record, George; I should track it down. And thanks, Scott - though I gotta say I'm still skeptical. I.e., turning up Muzak louder doesn't turn it into foreground music; it just means you have louder Muzak! (Plus, I guess part of my point is that it *only* works as background din to read the paper to or whatever; if I turned it way up, it'd just annoy me. Whereas if it had actual songs or hooks, it might not.)

xhuxk, Friday, 4 November 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

I've heard lots of metal with hooks and/or songs this year, too. But your tastes are way more sugary than mine when it comes to that stuff (and not just because I'm a diabetic), so what I hear as hooks in, say, Hammerfall you might not like at all.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 4 November 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

Still think there are two singles on the Early Man record.

-- George the Animal Steele (george_the_animal_steele...) (webmail), November 4th, 2005 12:36 AM. (link)

I agree. And one of them deserves a DFA remix.

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Friday, 4 November 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

Early Man should have included "Fight," from the EP, on Closing In, too. That would have made almost another.

Anyway, with the Glitterati, the first tune right off the record, "Better Man," is their best shot. The album's worth a listen and I thought it was slated for US release but I only have seen imports.

It's not as good as Living Things. It sounds to me like most of the songs, all with hooks in them, were built or written off of drum programs, actually quite swinging ones. So you can actually dance to most of it which is presumably the point although when I read a live review of them by Chuck it didn't seem like they were much into being a dance band. I'm assuming then they're considered not to be metal or metal enough even thought the guitar pretty much rules the melodies.
Dancing not good, makes very young men of metal shrivel up.

Phil noted Hammerfall. The song that was performed on Smallville last week was Rainbow's "Man On a Silver Mountain" and it was done by them. Have no idea if it's on a new record. Sounded good, though, and that was indeed one of Rainbow's better songs.

Murdock had tunes on it. And the guy has a great "yeah!!" scream. He screams it right in tune with the power chord, so he could have had vocal lessons on hard rock screaming, an article on which I read earlier this week in the LA Times features section. Ramesses, mentioned earlier, did not have tunes. It just had doom. But it was pretty good doom and it didn't last too long, which generally chases me off if it goes on for 50-60 minutes instead of, say, twenty.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 4 November 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

Look out for a new Paradise Lost disc in your mail, Chuck - I just got mine today, along with a four-song Sourvein EP (they're planning to release three this year, instead of just putting them all on one full-length disc).

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 4 November 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

I'm going to Metal Haven to look for a copy of Decibel. I haven't seen it anywhere else yet. Isn't there anything online that intelligently focuses on metal?

I've been listening to a strange mix of things. At the request of a girlfriend, I'm making a workout mix of hair metal. The only thing I own that can remotely qualify is Motley Crue, so I ended up hearing stuff (the non-singles) by L.A. Guns, Poison, Cinderella and Whitesnake for the first time. I did own the first two Ratt albums at the time. It was a gas hearing them, really, but I think I'm good for another 20 years.

I dug out Ride The Lightning and Powerslave for a flashback to freshman year in high school circa Halloween, god knows why. I'm craving something new that isn't as dense as most of the current metal, maybe just a little cheesy. Early Man was fun at first listen, but I don't think it'll stick to the ribs. I'm curious about the new Darkness but am prepared for letdown.

Motörhead's great trilogy of Overkill, Bomber and Ace Of Spades are coming out on double de-luxe versions Nov. 15.

Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Saturday, 5 November 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)

Are you in Chicago, Fastnbulbous? Metal Haven sometimes carries Decibel, but you will have better luck finding it at Quimby's, Tower or most Barnes and Noble branches. If I read the last editor's note, a lot of the archived content is going online when the website re-launches in a week.

ng-unit, Saturday, 5 November 2005 02:46 (twenty years ago)

Isn't there anything online that intelligently focuses on metal?

Well, why are you reading this thread then? You'll surely be annoyed by much of it. Might as well get used to sarcasm and contempt straight off. Glossy 'zines intelligently focusing on metal are matter and anti-matter. Like oil and water, immiscible even though the fans of such may believe such is not the case. Doesn't mean it's not good or appropriate to write for such excellently, but dont you think for a minute that you're getting Scientific American, a daily newspaper, or even MAD magazine-type incision.

Decibel's common in Pasadena, relatively speaking. Hey, the press that came with the Early Man CD, after I'd already had a digital copy, led with press from Decibel. I was impressed.

George the Animal Steele, Saturday, 5 November 2005 09:37 (twenty years ago)

Dug out The Glitterati again tonight and was reminded upon listen that the first four songs are really quite good and hook laden. Still not as repeat play as Living Things but performed with vim, honor and enjoyment. Mike Clink did The Glitterati a good one. Why no stateside release?

George the Animal Steele, Saturday, 5 November 2005 09:54 (twenty years ago)

"If I read the last editor's note, a lot of the archived content is going online when the website re-launches in a week."

This is true, and the message board will be up and running by then too.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 5 November 2005 12:59 (twenty years ago)

All of Decibel's reviews will be archived on the site on the 11th. Cool! I picked up a copy, and it does seem on par with the UK's Terrorizer. Metal Haven does NOT carry it though -- someone should correct that.

I picked up some Witchfinder General (1982's Death Penalty -- very silly stuff, but I love the Sabbath-like low end), and the last two by Enslaved. How come no one talks about them? I don't listen to a lot of black metal, but Isa was mentioned in context of the last Opeth as pushing boundaries. Doesn't sound at all similar, but I dig it so far.

I should have done some research, but I also picked up Living Things on impulse. I thought they were well liked here, but it might be just a single lunatic. I can forgive a band for sounding overly-polished and generic if there's enough passion, or riffs, or hooks. But I ain't feeling it. It might be the same problem I have with the Wildhearts. They have the 'right' influences, but not the songs. By the way, is the new album simply a re-recorded version of their debut? What's up with that?

Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

Most of it's not even re-recorded, I don't think; if so, they sure did a good job of making the recordings sound the same -- Just some shuffling of tracks here and there, from the "other" album and the EPs, and the adding of a few previously unheard ones. (And the debut wasn't really a debut per se', since it never came out in the States.)

A Single Lunatic (Who Also Likes the Wildhearts), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

Also, I obviously totally disagree about the songs and hooks, but more intriguing to me is that you call them "generic," since (as I say above) I'm not even sure what genre people would think that they belong to, and (to me) they don't really *sound* much like any other band. (Though I guess the "bands-from-1989-and-1990-who-I-barely-remember-ever-hearing-but-George-names-them-upthread genre" is a possibility.) (Not sure what genre Wildhearts are generic too, either!) (Not arguing; just curious who *you* think they sound like.)

A Single Lunatic (Who Also Likes the Wildhearts), Monday, 7 November 2005 21:08 (twenty years ago)

By the way, speaking of label/management push, I got this tally in an email the other day. Yikes:

LIVING THINGS update...
--4 star review and "New Face" in Rolling Stone
--rave review in Spin
--4 star review in Blender
--CD of the Month in Maxim
--cover of Nov/Dec Amplifier magazine
--charting at Modern Rock radio
--"Advanced Warning" to air this month on MTV, MTV2 and MTV Overdrive
--MTVU and Fuse add Floria Sigismondi-directed video for lead track "Bom Bom Bom"
--iTunes Download of the Week
--RoKo Phone campaign by Cingular starting this month

xhuxk, Monday, 7 November 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)

I picked up some Witchfinder General (1982's Death Penalty -- very silly stuff, but I love the Sabbath-like low end)

Yeah, it is silly, part of it's charm. Listen for singer shouting his own name out, "Zeeb!"

I think it will take a minor miracle or two to break Living Things. Lots of TV play and even that might not do it. Even the publicist is one of the industry names. I guess getting on KROQ wouldn't hurt either.

And indeed, Living Things have the basic guttural rock and roll sound that was common to the bands I cited earlier, except LT are tightly bound to drum patterns that come off grooving drum computers. So they're a lot more pop but still solidly hard rock. It worked for ZZ Top. I'm not sure I even heard one guitar solo on the album. It's pretty good dance music.


George the Animal Steele, Monday, 7 November 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)

Okay, well, from the description on AMG, which refers to The Ramones, Stooges, and "The Strokes amped up on AC/DC," I thought, how could I not like them? I did hear a Stoogey riff for about two seconds, but otherwise, all I hear is The Vines. To me, the Vines is generic guitar rock. The Living Things are certainly more literate and diverse. A couple songs have grown on me on second and third listens, but overall I'm still disappointed. I'll give it more time. Sometimes generic rock can hit the spot -- for some reason I found myself in the mood for early 80s Whitesnake the other day. That may never happen again though, ha ha.

Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Monday, 7 November 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)

and the last two by Enslaved. How come no one talks about them?

i think there was an entire thread dedicated to isa. i still think monumension is their best.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)

Wildhearts DO have the songs (on the 1st 2 albums at least)

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 01:46 (twenty years ago)

I had to leave before Cryptopsy even came on stage last night, so I'm really pissed about that. But of the five bands I did see at BB King's, Dew-Scented were just as generic and boring as all their albums, Despised Icon were fucking great and have caused me to pull out and re-consider their record (it's not as good as the live show, but it's pretty good), Aborted were duller than dry dogshit and utterly generic (the vocalist kept announcing song titles, and by the end of their short-but-still-way-too-long set my friend and I were ridiculing him, saying stuff like "This next song is called Like You Can Tell The Difference!" and "This song is called Same As The Last One!"), Decapitated had a bad mix but were great anyway, and Vader, despite pissing me off by not being Cryptopsy, were very solid and enjoyable. So all in all it was an okay evening. The biggest disappointment was the merch table - I was hoping to buy a Decapitated hat, but all they had was T-shirts. (Decapitated - hat - get it?)

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

>it will take a minor miracle or two to break Living Things.>

Fwiw, they're nowhere in the new issue of Billboard -- not Top 200, not Heatseekers chart, not Modern Rock airplay chart. So if the push is indeed resulting in radio play, it apparently ain't much, at least not yet. (And the album's been out for a month, since early October.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

Not a lot of press for Living Things in the Google news tab. So other than the auto-placement stories in music journals, the vast majority of news organizations with entertainment sections either aren't paying attention or haven't bother to check in yet.
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Before Story of the Year hit nationally, Living Things appeared to be the most likely candidate to replace the Urge as the top rock band from St. Louis. Of course, it would help if the group's Berlin brothers - Lillian, Eve and Bosh - could actually get a full-length CD released. (St. Louisans may remember the siblings as Jason, Justin and Josh Rothman, their names when they played as the precocious Skubies in the mid-'90s.)

Living Things' first CD, "Black Skies in Broad Daylight," was shelved permanently by DreamWorks, leaving the band in limbo. But after getting dropped by the label, perhaps because of its heavy Bush-bashing in concert, the group was picked up by Jive, which is now releasing "Ahead of the Lions." ... But even if you're not into the heavy messages, it's still easy enough to enjoy the CD's cool factor. These punks evoke bands such as the Ramones, Nirvana and the Stooges on songs such as "Monsters of Man" and "Bom Bom Bom."

Grade: A-

--St. Louis Post-Dispatch

I sure didn't hear no Ramones, Nirvana or Stooges. Does anyone actually know what the Stooges sounded like? Yeah, Living Things is real Raw Power or I Wanna Be Your Dog stuff.

Most of these tunes were actually cut with Steve Albini in 2003 for an album titled Black Skies in Broad Daylight -- a disc critics hailed as one of the most explosive breakthrough discs since Nevermind and Appetite for Destruction.

So how come you never heard it? Well, because it never came out in North America. It was pulled after the band -- led by three brothers calling themselves Lillian, Eve and Bosh Berlin -- repeatedly antagonized their then-label DreamWorks by playing loose-cannon gigs (that included onstage fires and urination) and by refusing to alter their politically charged, anti-religious lyrics.

A great album deserves a great back story. And Ahead of the Lions, the sorta-debut from St. Louis rockers Living Things, has one of the best we've heard in years.

Most of these tunes were actually cut with Steve Albini in 2003 for an album titled Black Skies in Broad Daylight -- a disc critics hailed as one of the most explosive breakthrough discs since Nevermind and Appetite for Destruction.

So how come you never heard it? Well, because it never came out in North America. It was pulled after the band -- led by three brothers calling themselves Lillian, Eve and Bosh Berlin -- repeatedly antagonized their then-label DreamWorks by playing loose-cannon gigs (that included onstage fires and urination) and by refusing to alter their politically charged, anti-religious lyrics.

It seemed Black Skies was destined to be one of those great lost albums -- until Sony BMG stepped up and took a chance on the disc, which has been retitled, resequenced, remixed and rejigged with a few new cuts. But neither time nor cosmetic change can stop this monster.

Whoopsie, here we go again.

Start with the fuzzed-out raw power chords and nihilistic swagger of The Stooges...But it doesn't get any better than the fist-pumping fury of Bombs Below, a three-minute salvo of immortal rock perfection on par with Smells Like Teen Spirit or Welcome to the Jungle.

-- Winnipeg Sun
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If I were aiming at pop success and numbers, being compared to the Stooges wouldn't do anything for me. Or something, like Nirvana, that everyone bought in more quantity than sliced white bread. Time to bury calling Berlin #1 "loose cannon" in the context of it being a liability. We should all be so lucky to have more of them rolling around on deck, no?

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

My local Target had the Slipknot double live CD on sale for $9.99, so I bought it, along with the new Mars Volta live album (Pitchfork hates it, so it's gotta be great!) and the Land Of The Dead DVD.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 23:55 (twenty years ago)

Phil I bought that Slipknot album for $9.99 at Target THIS MORNING! Mindmeld!

I think it's actually pretty freakin' great, for what it is, which is not my usual thing these days. Am I just a n00b who must be sk00led?

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

What about Buckethead w/Serj Tankian? That's some grade-A stinky sweatsock dork metal. Fried chicken wrapped in Lebanon bologna.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Thursday, 10 November 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)

"Pretty freakin great, for what it is" = "gilded turd"?

Oh no, the sound quality on that Slipknot live CD is totally the suck. It's amazing that those guys haven't figured otu a way to properly communicate the torrid live show, either on this CD or the handful of lackluster DVDs that preceded it.

ng-unit, Thursday, 10 November 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

best album of the year is alive without control by Black Halos on Liquor and Poker.
a lot of that is due in to the part that this band is an actually touring rock band that happens to live the way they sound.

no weekend warrior, back to work on monday from playing local gigs and pretending going on here.

unfortunately, thats so foreign to listeners now that they can rarely recognize it when it's happening

kind of like stepping in crap
too many people prefer clean sneakers these days

angie plasty, Thursday, 10 November 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)

Smells like Metal Marissa Marchant!

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Friday, 11 November 2005 05:34 (twenty years ago)

>an actually touring rock band that happens to live the way they sound.<

You mean they LIVE totally half-assed, too? (I actually did like a Black Halos single once, though. See above, somewhere.)

xhuxk, Friday, 11 November 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

Didn't care much for Black Halos. There was one song on the CD that was good and they didn't write it, Tom Petty did.

back to work on monday from playing local gigs and pretending going on here.

Specifically, who's pretending? If you mean people who don't have the record budget to have a CD in stores and tour but still struggling to put out hard rock and metal, then I hear a lot of that and it's often better than the work of those, I guess, who are not pretending.

Anyway, in the good and cheap impulse by is the remaster of Triumph's first, In the Beginning. Nine ninety nine, cash money! Before they decided to go AOR or something and went soft, sounds like Moxy or Rush with more rock and roll from the first album, plus some Zeppelin and Hendrix plagiarisms thrown in to juice things along. Made in '76 but totally sounded like it could be '75. That's a joke.

And the new Ten Years After called Now which isn't TYA but everyone minus Alvin Lee plus a replacement guitarist, which makes it the Joe Gooch Band. Actually way heavier than almost the entire TYA catalog, lotsa classic rock and guy does modern non-classic Yngvie metal guitar shred, so he sometimes sounds like he's putting the band on a track to fusion. But then Churchill's Hammond crunch drags them back into the 70's and more people should use Hammond's, lemme tell ya, it makes them sound like Uriah Heep and Argent.


George the Animal Steele, Friday, 11 November 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

Make that Joe Good doesn't sound like Yngwie but the rather the guy in Government Mule or Steve Morse or someone like that. Takasaki sounds like Yngwie only Japanese and therefore, more like only Japs can do just like Guitar Wolf is more in terms of sloppy rock. Shadows of War sounds great for those special occasions when you want to put on a band that look like trannies from the height of the hair metal days but who sure don't sound it.

And JPT Scare Band's Echoes of the Everland just kills. Along with Jamm Vapours and Rum Rum Daddy and everything in a huge box set they sent me.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 11 November 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

Anybody else been playing these new (and often advertised on CMT!) *VH1 Classic Metal Mania Stripped* compilations? I have been, and I've been liking lots of stuff on them -- some of it ("Here I Go Again" by Whitesnake and "Don't Tell Me You Love Me" by Night Ranger for instance, though those aren't the best tracks) more than I would have guessed.

Am also liking the (debut I think) album by the Sword (from I think Austin). Similar early-Sabbath-fancied-up-some-but-retaining-the-crunch aesthetic as Early Man, sounds like.

xhuxk, Saturday, 12 November 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

And oh yeah, never much gave a darn for North Mississippi All Stars before, but that new screwed and chopped EP sure does make them a lot heavier. (And the new Thee Shams is a lot heavier than their earlier stuff too. Didn't' like the second album, but the new one is Mitch Ryder/Animals fans making a late '60s biker rock move. Some new personnel helps.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 12 November 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

Also, what I just posted on the country thread, for those of y'all who don't shop there:

>First song on tape played over PA, after the bleh (despite an okay cover of Merle's "Working Man") set by Tracy Byrd or Tracy Lawrence or whoever the hell he was, to lead into Montgomery Gentry's great (and to me, amazingly good humored and smiley) Veteran's Day night set at BB King's last night: "Cum On Feel the Noize" by Slade. Last song on tape (the one they entered to): "The Boys are Back in Town" by Thin Lizzy. In between: "Working for the Weekend," "Carry on My Wayward Son," I forget what else. Songs they covered during their set: CCR "Midnight Special," Dave Edmunds "I Hear You Knocking," ZZ Top "Just Got Paid" (which made me especially happy, since ZZ didn't do it in their great set at the Beacon Theatre the night before). In attendance: Caramanica, Sanneh, Breihan, Eddy, though the first two left before the set was over (Sanneh to go see Okkervill River.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 12 November 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

Wow, "Save Your Love" by Great White sounds BEAUTIFUL on that first Stripped CD! (Was that a hit once? I don't recall it, though I know they had hits I didn't pay much attention to. Anyway: Zep-style ballad of the year, maybe. And it's interesting that both Stripped volumes *end* with Great White. Were they trying to hide them or something? I dunno.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 12 November 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

"Round and Round" by Ratt and "Shake Me" by Cinderella also sound surprisingly good acoustic (I think I prefer the latter's unplugged version to the old plugged one). (I think a bluegrassish group called the Meat Purveyors covered "Round and Round" on an EP a couple years, but I never heard it. I wonder if Stephen Pearcy did.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 12 November 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

I read this -- Down with Banzai!

http://www.popmatters.com/music/features/music-in-me/begrand-051108.shtml

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Saturday, 12 November 2005 22:37 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Banzai was a huge influence on a generation of Canadian metal fans, myself included...

a. begrand (a begrand), Sunday, 13 November 2005 03:16 (twenty years ago)

Then this should make you weep --

Exhibit A:

http://i24.ebayimg.com/01/i/05/01/6d/31_1_b.JPG

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Sunday, 13 November 2005 06:07 (twenty years ago)

i liked yer thing, a. begrand.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 13 November 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

Anyone know of a metal publication that's done a list of best albums of the first half of this decade? Metal Rules.com has an interesting Top 100 of all time list and a top 50 extreme list, but they're pretty light on music from the last few years. Looking at their 2004 list, it seems they're more interested in 80s bands (Exodus, Saxon, Megadeth, Scorpions, Dio, Wasp) and newer bands that sound like the old bands.

Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Monday, 14 November 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

rateyourmusic.com have a top 1000 albums between 2000 and 2004

Link:
http://digbig.com/4fgww

It should be fairly easy to spot the metal releases.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 14 November 2005 23:34 (twenty years ago)

try again, it refused the shortened url

http://rateyourmusic.com/top_albums/b1_is_2000_and_b2_is_2004_and_stop_is_1000

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 14 November 2005 23:38 (twenty years ago)

MetalBite have top ranked metal albums for 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 [and 2005] but no combined list

http://www.metalbite.com/toprank.asp

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 14 November 2005 23:43 (twenty years ago)

Metal Bite is interesting. It's weird that an album from this year by Nevermore tops their all time list. I've never seen recommendations for that before, so I'm surprised. They seem to love their Opeth (5 albums in top 12), yet not a sign of the new one.

2005 albums by Bloodbath, Kreator and Mercenary also made the all-time list...

Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

To clarify it's visitors to MetalBite that rate those albums, not critics/writers.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 22:54 (twenty years ago)

Also Bloodbath and Mercenary were 2004 releases in Europe.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 22:58 (twenty years ago)

Regarding intelligent metal reviews, try:

Chronicles of Chaos
http://www.chroniclesofchaos.com/

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)

Who's doing press for Early Man? I've been asked to review it.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

Nils @ Matador

ng, Wednesday, 16 November 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

also:

1ucy Hurst (Beggars/Matador) [1ucyhurst@beggar5.com] (googleproofed by mods)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 16 November 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

You can get it on eMusic, too.

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

The new Vile album is very solid, in a fun, no frills, Vader kind of way.

a. begrand (a begrand), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)

"Round and Round" by Ratt and "Shake Me" by Cinderella also sound surprisingly good acoustic (I think I prefer the latter's unplugged version to the old plugged one). (I think a bluegrassish group called the Meat Purveyors covered "Round and Round" on an EP a couple years, but I never heard it. I wonder if Stephen Pearcy did.)

Lou Barlow also did it on his solo disc this year, and it was either excellent or knife-sharpeningly horrible, depending on how you feel about Lou Barlow

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)

METAL MANIACS 2005 VOTE LIST

http://www.metalmaniacs.com/content.cfm?ID=2118

1349, Hellfire
Aborted, The Archaic Abattoir
Age Of Silence, Complications
Angra, Temple Of Shadaws
Arcturus, Sideshow Symphonies
Arch Enemy, Doomsday Machine
As I Lay Dying, Shadows Are Security
Behemoth, Demigod
Belphegor, Goatreich-Fleshcult
Between The Buried And Me, Alaska
Black Dahlia Murder, Miasma
Black Witchery, Upheaval of Satanic Might
Blessing The Hogs, The 12 Gauge Solution
Bloodbath, Nightmares Made Flesh
Blood Red Throne, Altered Genesis
Blood Ritual, Blood Grimoire
Bolt Thrower, Those Once Loyal
Bruce Dickinson, Tyranny Of Souls
Buried Inside, Chronoclast
Candlemass, Candlemass
Cephalic Carnage, Anomolies
Children Of Bodem, Are You Dead Yet?
Chimaira, Chimaira
Circus Maximus, The 1st Chapter
Confessor, Unravelled
Corrosion Of Conformity, In The Arms Of God
Crowbar, Life's Blood For The Downtrodden
Cryptopsy, Once Was Not
Cursed, Two
Dark Funeral, Attera Totus Sanctus
Dark Tranquillity, Character
Darkane, Layers Of Lies
Darkest Hour, Undoing Ruin
Deadlock, Earth.Revolt
Deathspell Omega, Kenose
Demons & Wizards, Touched By The Crimson King
Despised Icon, The Healing Process
Dew Scented, Issue VI
Draconian, Arcane Rain Fell
Dream Theater, Octavarian
Earth, HEX; Or printing In The Infernal Method
Enslaved, Isa
Enthroned, Xes Haereticum
Epoch Of Unlight, The Continuum Hypothesis
Exodus, Shovel Headed Kill Machine
Eyes Of Fire, Prisons
Fantï¿´mas, Suspended Animation
Fear Factory, Transgression
Fireball Ministry, Our Rock Is Not Their Rock
Gamma Ray, Majestic
Glenn Hughes, Soul Mover
God Dethroned, Lair Of The White Worm
God Forbid, IV: Constitution Of Treason
Gorefest, La Muerte
Gorerotted, A New Dawn Of The Dead
Grand Magus, Wolfs Return
Grave Digger, The Last Supper
Hate Eternal, I, Monache
High On Fire, Blessed Black Wings
Hypocrisy, Virus
Immolation, Harnessing Ruin
Infernal Legion, Your Prayers Mean Nothing
James Labrie, Elements Of Persuasion
Jesu, Jesu
Judas Priest, Angel Of Retribution
Kamelot, The Black Halo
Kylesa, To Walk A Middle Course
Leaves Eyes, Vinland Saga
Lullacry, Volume 4
Manilla Road, Gate Of Fire
Marduk, Plague Angel
Meshuggah, Catch 33
Minsk, Out Of A Center Which Is Neither Dead Nor Alive
Morgana Lefay, Grand Materia
Mourning Beloved, A Murderous Circle
Naglafar, Pariah
Napalm Death, The Code Is Red&Long Live The Code
Nevermore, This Godless Endeavor
Nightwish, Highest Of Hopes (Greatest Hits)
Nile, Annihilation Of The Wicked
Novembers Doom, The Pale Haunt Departure
Nuclear Assault, Third World Genocide
Obituary, Frozen In Time
Opeth, Ghost Reveries
Origin, Echoes Of Decimation
Overkill, Relixiv
P.H.O.B.O.S., Tectonics
Pig Destroyer, Terrifyer
Place Of Skulls, Love Through Blood
Primal Fear, Seven Seals
Primordial, Imrama
Pro-Pain, Prophets Of Doom
Raging Speedhorn, How The Great Have Fallen
Rapture, Silent Stage
Redemption, The Fullness Of Time
Red Sparowes, At The Soundless Dawn
Samael, Reign Of Light LP
Sentenced, The Funeral Album
Six Feet Under, 13
Slough Feg, Atavism
Slumber, Fallout
Soilent Green, Confrontation
Soilwork, Stabbing The Drama
Solefald, Red For Fire
Strapping Young Lad, Alien
Summon, And The Blood Runs Back
Sunn 0))), Black1
Swarm Of The Lotus, The Sirens Of Silence
The Gates Of Slumber, The Awakening
The Hidden Hand, Mother, Teacher, Destroyer
Tony Iommi, Fused
Trephine, Trephine
Trivium, Ascendancy
Twilight, Twilight
Ulver, Blood Inside
Usurper, Cryptobeast
Victor Griffin, Late For An Early Grave
Wednesday 13, Transylvania 90210
Witchcraft, Firewood
Yob, The Unreal Never Lived


What significant 2005 Metal releases have they left out?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 17 November 2005 23:26 (twenty years ago)

No Corrupted or Boris.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Thursday, 17 November 2005 23:35 (twenty years ago)

Well, they've left in a lot of insignificant gobblers. Reminds me more of a vacuum cleaner approach to tallying releases, sucking all the crumbs from the carpet.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 17 November 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

9 or 10 of my top twenty is on that list.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 18 November 2005 00:02 (twenty years ago)

here's my list:


1 ulver - blood inside

2 high on fire - blessed black wings

3 transistor transistor - erase all name and likeness

4 primordial - the gathering wilderness

5 raging speedhorn - how the great have fallen

6 gospel - the moon is a dead world

7 kylesa - to walk a middle course

8 mistress - in disgust we trust

9 blood red throne - altered genesis

10 callisto - true nature unfolds

11 immolation - harnessing ruin

12 exmortem - nihilistic contentment

13 circle of dead children - zero comfort margin

14 minsk - out of a center which is neither dead nor alive

15 asguard - dreamslave

16 hate eternal - i, monarch

17 zatokrev - zatokrev

18 demons & wizards - touched by the crimson king

19 you will die - you will die

20 soilwork - stabbing the drama


scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 18 November 2005 00:08 (twenty years ago)

the new Grimfist OR the new Confessor would have knocked Soilwork's album off of my list if I had heard them sooner. although, i really did like the Soilwork. i totally thought that i voted for the Deathspell Omega album! guess i didn't. i do love that thing.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 18 November 2005 00:12 (twenty years ago)

Pelican - March Into The Sea EP
Baroness - First/Second
5ive's Continuum Research Project - The Hemophiliac Dream
Yob - The Unreal Never Lived
Boris/Merzbow - Sun Baked Snow Cave
Lurker of Chalice - S/T
UFOmammut - Lucifer Songs
Jesu - Jesu

Yeah, I'm an old fart who isn't into nostaglia metal. Not that any of this stuff is really "metal" though, I guess.

recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Friday, 18 November 2005 00:23 (twenty years ago)

I forgot: khanate - capture/release
and also recent ones that I think will make my list: Hyatari - The Light Carriers, and Nadja - Truth Becomes Death

recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Friday, 18 November 2005 00:44 (twenty years ago)

About 120 albums, huh? That's one significant release every three days. With such an abundance of riches, no wonder everyone's stealing music.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 18 November 2005 01:26 (twenty years ago)

I think the new Scar Symmetry does the whole melodic Gothenburg thing much better than the Soilwork disc does.

a. begrand (a begrand), Friday, 18 November 2005 04:24 (twenty years ago)

I can't understand why the first two Triumph remasters aren't up there. Reissued as the Attic original track listings, they appeared in the US as only a hybrid originally. Both are equiv to better than Nugents' Weekend Warrior. And if you're going to include barrel scrapings like Cephalic Carnage, it's only fair to include Pungent Stench. C'mon now, I bet with a little effort it would be possible to come up with at least another hundred major releases.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 18 November 2005 05:11 (twenty years ago)

Ion Dissonance's album should be on the MM list...shit, so should Early Man. It's at least as good as Fireball Ministry, and probably has better packaging (I haven't seen the FM disc). The only thing about the EM disc that bugs me is the vocals - the guy should have gone for an early Hetfield bark instead of a sub-Ozzy wail. But the riffs are pretty solid, and the production is perfectly primitive.

This week I'm in a mood for Suicidal Tendencies, so I ordered their first three major label discs from Amazon. I always thought of Controlled By Hatred/Feel Like Shit...Deja Vu as stopgap crap, but it might be my favorite of the three.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 18 November 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for the reminder, Phil. I think I need to turn on How Will I Laugh Tomorrow... to blow the wax out of my ears.

ng-unit, Friday, 18 November 2005 12:55 (twenty years ago)

That thing upthread about Early Man fitting in nicely with latecomer NWOBHM bands like Badge and Atomkraft rings pretty true.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Friday, 18 November 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)

Here's what I wanted to hear:


OPETH - Ghost Reveries (Roadrunner)
EXODUS - Shovel Headed Kill Machine (Nuclear Blast)
BYZANTINE - And They Shall Take Up Serpents (Prosthetic)
NAPALM DEATH - The Code is Red...Long Live the Code (Century Media)
ABORTED - Archaic Abbatoir (Olympic)
SUNN0))) - Black One (Southern Lord)
OBITUARY - Frozen in Time (Roadrunner)
ENSLAVED - Isa (Candlelight)
KREATOR - Enemy of God (SPV)
THE ACCUSED - Oh Martha! (Condar)


If BEHIND ENEMY LINES - The Global Cannibal came out in 2005, I'll eat that, too.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Friday, 18 November 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

this band Byzantine shall feel my rath. they are nothing comparble to BYZANTUM. first they steal name and why if they take name do they not at least play Canadian Werewolf True Pitch Black Metal?

Mr. Vas Djifrens (byzantum), Friday, 18 November 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

Catchy tune, but maybe they don't know the words?

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Friday, 18 November 2005 23:27 (twenty years ago)

they will know them...and my sword

Mr. Vas Djifrens (byzantum), Friday, 18 November 2005 23:49 (twenty years ago)

This is so choice it had to be double posted. Bathtub Shitter's 3-song Christmas EP, a trio of death metal songs for the holidays on Tumult. Better still, it won't be coming out for Xmas, but after the holidays, sometime in early 2006, because they couldn't get their asses wired to do it on time.

From the Tumult site:

A dream come true. japan's mighty bathtub shitter on tUMULt. i nearly pass out every time i think about it. this is our first ever xmas record, and we tried our very best to get it done in time for this december, cuz as we all know, it's just not christmas without bathtub shitter. unfortunately you are just gonna have to wait until next year. at least you'll have something to look forward to other than coal in your stocking and a new sweater.

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I was looking over the tumult site and it's chockful of rekkids in which the concept and descriptions are fascinating. My favorites were Solar Anus, another Jap band -- all Japs bands are totally fucked but in an enjoyable way (I'm fond of Loudness reissues and the "gold" of Guitar Wolf at the same time). And Professor -- that's a great name for a heavy metal act, particularly one with doom imagery.

George the Animal Steele, Saturday, 19 November 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

Solar Anus rips!

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Sunday, 20 November 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)

i'm pretty sure they have the bathtub shitter x-mas at aquarius records in sf.

whatever, Sunday, 20 November 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)

Listened to the Early Man disc about a half-dozen times in the last three or four days (reviewing it for the Cleveland Scene) and am totally converted. Love the artwork, love most of the songs (though the vocals are a little problematic on a few cuts) and am especially digging the drumming. No crazy double-bass action, just primitive Phil Rudd thump.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 20 November 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)

xpost

Then it looks like tumult and BS got their shit wired after all, so to speak.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 20 November 2005 22:19 (twenty years ago)

this new rammstein is boorrriinnng, which is a shame, cause i thought reise reise was great.

eh, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 22:11 (twenty years ago)

Is there a US street date for it yet? My wife's a huge fan, I'm a moderate enthusiast. Would still love to see them live.

I'm listening to Beck, Bogert & Appice tonight.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 24 November 2005 04:15 (twenty years ago)

The Gathering's Accessories is surprisingly good for an odds & sods comp. Love the live stuff and all the demos from the Nighttime Birds era, and there are some very good covers of Slowdive, Talk Talk, and Dead Can Dance.

a. begrand (a begrand), Thursday, 24 November 2005 05:31 (twenty years ago)

I'm listening to Beck, Bogert & Appice tonight.

You should hear the Live in Japan album. They sound a lot more like Cactus in concert with Beck sub'd for McCarty.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 24 November 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)

Wow, new Darkness....it's like they took everybody's silly claims that the first one sounded like Queen, and they believed it. All these slow songs that I guess are trying to be epic, but aren't; what's that about? (In other news: I don't think I like Burst or Bonk much, either.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 24 November 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

>You should hear the Live in Japan album.

It's on my Amazon wish list.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 24 November 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

Wow, new Darkness....it's like they took everybody's silly claims that the first one sounded like Queen, and they believed it. All these slow songs that I guess are trying to be epic, but aren't; what's that about?

Yeah, they've gone overboard with those layered vocal harmonies. I'm hearing a really strong Cheap Trick influence this time around, compared to the last one, which smacked of UFO at times.

They tried way too hard, as the second half just drags...they're at their best doing the riff rock as the title track proves, not those little twee numbers. I did get a kick out of the chorus in "Knockers" ("I love what you've done with your hair").

a. begrand (a begrand), Thursday, 24 November 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

just picked up the sacrifice torment in fire 2cd on marquee. i'm in love with marquee right now, for this and mx simoniacal. oh, and they did a pretty sweet reissue of iron angel's hellish crossfire.

reencarnacion's 888 metal reissue is pretty nice, too, super crude 1987 colombian thrash with a both love for satan and hate for america ("funeral del norte!").

someone needs to reissue the demolition hammer albums.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 00:41 (twenty years ago)

Lots of interesting things going on -- as mosst of you know, Black Sabbath were announced as inductees into the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame Monday, a new film called Metal: A Headbanger's Journey is making its rounds at the film festivals this winter until it gets distributed, the Rough Guide to Heavy Metal came out earlier in the fall, and four Motörhead albums were reissued yesterday as deluxe double CDs.

What was supposed to be the simple task of reviewing the Rough Guide book blew up into something bigger, as I decided to finish reading a couple academic books on metal I had gathering dust for literally 12 years, and the Lords Of Chaos book on black metal. Of course I was compelled to make a new list of Top 200 Metal albums while I was at it. I've listened to nothing but metal for the past two months, which I don't think I've ever done before.

fastnbulbous.com


Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

Oh I dig that Bonk album. I don't know Burst. And I'm not shitting when I saw I prefer the new INXS singer to the dude in Avenge 7fold in the Weiland-wannabe contest. Not surprised one bit that Pelican was Decibel's album of the year. I also learned (courtesy of Decibel) that Josh Homme and Brody Distillers are expecting a baby. Xhuxk, we were so slow on that bit of gossip!

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

saw I prefer = say I prefer

dur ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 20:04 (twenty years ago)

Does someone have the e-mail and/or phone contact for the person doing publicity on the Darkness's LP?

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 30 November 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

i iz watching the rush 30th anniversary dvd set and neil is killing me. i am officially 12 years old all night tonight.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:28 (twenty years ago)

get your homework done! take out the trash! cut your damned hair!

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:33 (twenty years ago)

Heh, I got the Rush dvd yesterday, and yeah, I can't help being reduced to a raving fanboy. I usually hate medleys, but I got a huge kick out of "R30 Overture".

Oh, and after some ten months, I've finally realised the greatness that is Immolation's Harnessing Ruin. "Dead to Me" did it...holy crap that song, for lack of better terms, fucking slays.

(though Nile still edges out Immolation and Hate Eternal on my 2005 list)

a. begrand (a begrand), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:36 (twenty years ago)

the 2112/xanadu/working man medley is hot too, even if geddy goes reggae at the end.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 23:14 (twenty years ago)

that Immolation is great. It made my list up top. Do I have to type out the Decibel top 40 for this thread? does anyone even care? probably not. high on fire not making the top ten (or top 20!) was the only real big surprise to me.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 23:18 (twenty years ago)

Decibel Top 40 Albums List please.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

shit, i forgot about you. of course you would want to see a list. okay, hold on...

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 1 December 2005 00:14 (twenty years ago)

1 to 40. too much metalcore, but what are ya gonna do. you know? i can hang with a lot of it. i have NEVER heard pelican. that i know of. pretty u.s.-centric.


1 pelican - the fire in our throats will beckon the thaw

2 opeth - ghost reveries

3 the red chord - clients

4 withered - memento mori

5 meshuggah - catch 33

6 trivium - ascendancy

7 torche - torche

8 darkest hour - undoing ruin

9 jesu - jesu

10 napalm death - the code is red...long live the code

11 enslaved - isa

12 neuraxis - trilateral progression

13 a life once lost - hunter

14 god forbid - IV: constitution of treason

15 gospel - the moon is a dead world

16 ulver - blood inside

17 xasthur - to violate the oblivious

18 transistor transistor - erase all name and likeness

19 between the buried and me - alaska

20 every time i die - gutter phenomenon

21 strapping young lad - alien

22 kylesa - to walk a middle course

23 nile - annihilation of the wicked

24 nevermore - this godless endeavor

25 the mars volta - frances the mute

26 horse the band - the mechanical hand

27 mouth of the architect - time and withering

28 confessor - unraveled

29 queens of the stone age - lullabies to paralyze

30 witchcraft - firewood

31 high on fire - blessed black wings

32 hate eternal - i, monarch

33 cipher - children of god's fire

34 arsis - a diamond for disease

35 twilight - twilight

36 buried inside - chronoclast

37 earth - hex: or printing in the infernal method

38 deathspell omega - kenose

39 chimaira - chimaira

40 most precious blood - merciless

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 1 December 2005 00:31 (twenty years ago)

Then it looks like tumult and BS got their shit wired after all, so to speak.

the guy who runs Tumult also owns Aquarius

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 1 December 2005 00:34 (twenty years ago)

xpost Scott is that the Decibel list? wtf? is the ish out or are you on some list I ain't?

also, fuck, why do I even bother voting...one of the ones I voted for made the top ten, and four total made the top 40

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 1 December 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)

i got my copy in the mail last week.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 1 December 2005 00:40 (twenty years ago)

dammit I was outta town last week, my wife will straight stash mail in places where it won't be seen 'til the Harmonic Convergence

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 1 December 2005 00:44 (twenty years ago)

the guy who runs Tumult also owns Aquarius

Yeah, I guessed. Which explains why a lot of the catalog appeals to the ridiculous. I had really great expectations of Hammers of Misfortune's "August Engine." Tried a couple of times, couldn't get through it. Going to keep trying a few more this week. The reviews and descriptions are always way way more interesting than the records, describing things that don't sound to be on the CDs.

Bronx Casket Co.'s take on "Free Bird" is a lock for somewhere in my P&J singles picks.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 1 December 2005 03:02 (twenty years ago)

No Cryptopsy on the Decibel list? Blasphemers.

Very nice to see Torche place that high, though.

a. begrand (a begrand), Thursday, 1 December 2005 04:51 (twenty years ago)

Finally made it through Hammers of Misfortune. A real long slow and brainless dirge at the end of August Engine tries to derail me everytime but I stuck it out. I think I know what they're after -- really technical medium tempo operatic metal. But it's opera where you can't figure out what the opera was about or what it sounded like after it stopped. I might be able to like this if I listen enough. It will start to sink in. Patience in all things.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 1 December 2005 05:02 (twenty years ago)

Wore a lot of mileage on Bronx Casket Co.'s Hellectric tonite. Second place went to Electric Eel Shock's Beat Me. In between Loudness and Guitar Wolf. Not as orthodox metal or even Euro as Loudness, in fact not Euro at all. And nowhere near as clumsy as Guitar Wolf. Sounds like they try really hard ala Loudness, though. And the cover of "Iron Man" which is purposely made rickety and fast does not suck, mostly because the guitar tone is really just perfect. Plus they know how to combine rock & roll and 70's metal tone which goes a long way, too.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 1 December 2005 08:13 (twenty years ago)

Strapping Young Lad's new album shouldn't appear on a Top 40 of anything. Same deal with Nile, who flat out suck.

I gotta listen to that Torche album this weekend. Plus, I'm reviewing Earthride's latest for Jess - how good you think it is depends on how sad you were when Spirit Caravan broke up. I was very sad, so I like it a lot. Really good organ fills on "Dirtnap."

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 1 December 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

I like Devin Townsend more as a producer than a musician, but I respectfully disagree: the last Strapping Young Lad is great from start to finish (if you lop the final track off). What's your damage?

ng-unit, Thursday, 1 December 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

I sort of like Kayo Dot, Rosetta, and Yellow Carnation, all in a "music to play while reading or getting work done" kind of way.

I still own 2 or 3 of the albums on that Decibel list. (If I had more energy, I'd put together a metal top 10 or 20 for the year, but I don't. Same with a jazz one for the jazz thread. There definitely were 30 or 40 metal CDs & 30 or 40 jazz CDs I kept in 2005, probably more. I keep tabs on my country top 10 all year long, since I know I'll be getting a Nasvhille Scene ballot, but nobody asks me to vote in any jazz or metal polls so devising a list would be too much work.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 1 December 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

Oops, I mean Green Carnation. (I think. It's at home, not here.)

The couple times I tried listening to Strapping Young Lad I couldn't figure out what was supposed to be good about them, so I'm with Phil.

xhuxk, Thursday, 1 December 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

I wrote this about SYL once. Fas as I can tell, it still holds.

===
But if it's humor you desire with your guitar music, it's impossible to surpass the tyrannical metalzine-spurt of the sales sticker for Devin Townsend's Strapping Young Lad. "Like sticking your head in the jet nozzle of a Stealth bomber . . . like a Muhammed Ali punch to the stomach . . . the sound of a riot . . . language comes cheap with SYL . . . the Tartoor should be beaten with a shoe . . . " OK, so I made the last one up, but realistically, it fits.

SYL (Century Media) is a three-card monte, higgledly-piggledy technical admixture of loud abrasives and screaming, used to cover up the inability of the head guy to write one goddamn riff on guitar that you won't forget after five seconds. It's best to think of Strapping Young Lad records as corrupt tea taxes applied to the world of indie-metal, a cost that must be borne to produce other acts cheaply.
===


George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

I sort of like Kayo Dot, Rosetta, and Yellow Carnation, all in a "music to play while reading or getting work done" kind of way.

Yeah, I've been enjoying the Rosetta album the same way, too. Though I don't know how many times I'll take the time to play both discs at once like you're supposed to. It's a cool idea, though...Zaireeka for metalheads, with half the hassle.

a. begrand (a begrand), Thursday, 1 December 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

the guy who runs Tumult also owns Aquarius

naw he just works there.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 1 December 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

I really liked SYL and the live album. I think I even sent Chuck a spec review of SYL back when it came out. It's just this new one I think is lame. And I like Townsend as a producer, too - his work with Darkest Hour and Lamb of God was great.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 1 December 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

stence yr mistaken, he and Allan bought it from Windy a couple of years ago - they're friends of mine

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 1 December 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

though I dunno, I could have understood the whole deal wrong!

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 1 December 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

windy? i thot the dude who owned aquarius was like, a dude, dude. but yeah, i could be wrong, there could be a whole andee n' allan own it thing now, i haven't read the update in ages. gygax! to thread?

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 1 December 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

Also, can we talk about how unlistenable that new Ephel Duath CD is? (And can somebody explain to me where the "jazz" is supposed to be?)

Also don't get Demericous (sp?) Perhaps this means I am a grump.

xhuxk, Thursday, 1 December 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

"It's a cool idea, though...Zaireeka for metalheads, with half the hassle."

neurosis did this years ago. not that i ever listened to that one the way you were supposed to either.

kayo dot has been ruling me cuz i am the maudlin of the well fanboy to beat the band.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 1 December 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

I haven't heard the new Ephel Duath yet, but I loved the last one (it was in my top ten of whatever year it came out). And unless they fired the trumpet player and the drummer, it should be pretty easy to spot the jazz.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 1 December 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

there's trumpets in there? (don't doubt that there are, though damned if i'm gonna wade through all the gratitous fugliness to locate 'em, and/or to determine whether they might not actually be ska ones.)

i like track #2 ("he's a rat") on the new bad wizard CD *sky high*. rest of the album? not so much, i don't think. there's also some long dull spacey thing in the middle where they seem to be trying to go freak-folk or something. but they somehow never sound chunky enough.

xhuxk, Thursday, 1 December 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

On the last album they had a trumpet player and a drummer who swung at least as often as he rocked.

Bad Wizard have a new one? I liked the debut a bunch - seemed like they started out ripping off the MC5 and ended up being better than them - but the second one sucked. Worst cover art of the year it came out, too. I'll probably ignore it unless it falls into my lap.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 1 December 2005 20:22 (twenty years ago)

Am also liking the (debut I think) album by the Sword (from I think Austin). Similar early-Sabbath-fancied-up-some-but-retaining-the-crunch aesthetic as Early Man, sounds like.

-- xhuxk (xedd...), November 12th, 2005.

Is there a song called 'Ebethron' on that? I got it from a friend, and there are so many little 'Sword(s)' groups around, I haven't been able to track it.

recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Thursday, 1 December 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

I haven't heard the new Ephel Duath yet, but I loved the last one (it was in my top ten of whatever year it came out). And unless they fired the trumpet player and the drummer, it should be pretty easy to spot the jazz.

It's great. They dropped the funky Mr. Bunglisms and embraced home turf Italian soundtrack heros. Super smooth with constant change-ups. DEP will sound like this in 8 years when they mature or do solo albums.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:34 (twenty years ago)

xpost: yep, "Ebethron" is the last track on the Sword's record -- the one Chuck is talkin' about.

ng-unit, Friday, 2 December 2005 05:14 (twenty years ago)

Well, I test-drove the new Ephel Duath this morning, and I'm sticking with The Painter's Palette. Naked City was momentarily diverting a little under twenty years ago. A whole lot of bands need to just get over it already. And E.D. should do whatever it takes to get the trumpet player back in the band, because he was the best thing about 'em.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

Surprised that High On Fire werent higher in that decibel list. Maybe it kinda got forgotten as it came out way back in january.

I shall be seeing HoF and Mastodon tonight in Glasgow.
Both bands were great when I saw them earlier in the year.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

New Pearls and Brass is pretty good, if you like a little Rory Gallagher/Taste action. Conversely (and in a similar neighborhood)I didn't like the new Seven Witches disc.

I wish I could make the Dec 17th Sunn show, but I'll have to just catch them in Philly w/o Malefic (on account of the show being in a church!)

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

I can't figure out why all the reviews I've seen of the new Darkness record are so majestically positive. It's a mostly fun record, but it doesn't live up to the first one. The Queen schtick borders on ridiculous.

safsd (Mr_Deeds), Monday, 5 December 2005 08:32 (twenty years ago)

My Darkness review in the WashPost probably could have been tougher. I dunno.

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Monday, 5 December 2005 08:46 (twenty years ago)

tight phantomz: lovely long version of fleetwood mac's (or just peter green's? i forget) "albatross" at the end; singer should take a cue from that one, though, and stick to instrumentals from now on. rest of the album ranks from totally pro forma and not especially heavy sub-urge-ovekill '70s show shtick to mere weedy sebadoodling, bleh yuck. (i thought they were supposed to be a stoner metal band though.)

new TNT album is good though (and not just the louie armstong cover).

xhuxk, Monday, 5 December 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

armSTRONG. OVERkill. duh.

(And the stoner metal intention impression may or may not have come from the marshall stack on the cover of the CD. i should have known better. marshall stacks are the truckers hats of CD covers by now.)

xhuxk, Monday, 5 December 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

A trio of metal rock and roll things, so caveats apply to the non-rocking art house metal audience of 2005.

The Muggs -- terrible name, Detroit band that doesn't sound at like Detroit. Yay!!!! Sounds like mid-70's crunching white boy blooz raunch. Lots of guitar, weedy lead voice by guitarist. Drummer can play a good shuffle and therefore the band has groove. One of the tunes, a good one, recycles ZZ Top's "everybody get high high high" signature from "Thunderbird."

Fat Nancy Pure American Muscle, Baby Terrible name and terrible album title obscure quality. Dude from Circus of Power, who has been trying to make a fair to really good biker rock album for close to two decades, finally succeeds, all COP stuff being fit only for the trash. Lots of tuneful hard rock sung by a halfway decent vocalist.

Hognose Longhandle Stoner band from Texas who manage not to totally stink up the place by playing too slow. The best stuff is short form -- which is more than half -- and if you edit out the seven minute bubbling distortion dirges (something that can be done with most of the stoner metal records I've had in the last two year, thereby making them !new and improved!), it rocks. Usual stoner-type he-man going out to beat the dog behind the shed and then beat the wife after half a bottle of JD shit goddamn I'm a motherfuckin' Texas man vocals. They really should think up a new style and lose that. Claim to sound like ZZ Top but don't at all which doesn't detract from the enjoyable tunes.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 8 December 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

Did I mention Hognose were from Texas? Ha-ha. What happened to SuperHeavyGoatAss who were from Texas, too, and did the same genre and wanted you to really know they were mothefuckin' Texan men, earlier this year? One of the contestants for most self-defeating band name ever!

Am listening to Confessor. I take back everything bad I ever said about Candlelight. Between this and Bronx Casket Co., they're good for a year. Have been putting off listening to Burst and In Flames. The packet of press that came with both was too much. Can't give 'em a fair shake until the spurting trash is out of my head.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 8 December 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

I don't like In Flames at all, and am unlikely to even give their new one a courtesy play.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 8 December 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

The Muggs has the lead guitarist (ex- I guess) of the Paybacks. I should give them a spin for that reason alone.

Je4nn3 ƒuy¥ (Je4nne Fury), Thursday, 8 December 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

damn I love this Bolt Thrower album

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 8 December 2005 21:33 (twenty years ago)

The Muggs has the lead guitarist (ex- I guess) of the Paybacks

He rocks in a first album by Stray Dog with Snuffy Walden before he went "thirtysomething" or "twentysomething" whatever that old show was called kind of way, which is pretty good. "Rolling B-side Blues" is one of the best tunes on the disc. So is the other with "Blues" in the title. I can do without the seven-minute thing at the end but since it's at the finish, you can lift the laser.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 8 December 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)

Electric Frankenstein's We Will Bury You buries you in two CDs worth of covers. Because of so much, it has something for everyone. I pared it down to one decent 40-minute CD of songs. "High Voltage" done really well. "Not For Sale," by Girlschool, excellent. "I Was a Punk Before You Were a Punk," by the Tubes, also great. "Don't Touch Me, I'm Electric," by Bill Nelson, a surprise, also a winner. "Wish You Were Here," basically wretched, but amusing. A fast version of the Dictators' "Borneo Jimmy" which improves the original, which I never thought was so hot. Etc.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 9 December 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

"I Belive In A Thing Called Love" by, um, Seal.

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

Mistress on Candlelight/Earache which is apparently new old. Iron Monkey-modelled grindcore. That means you get the incoherent troll shouting in a language no one understands vocals. But the drummer is a good one and the groove is strong on a song labelled "Goatboy" and another called "Lord Worm," which is seemingly the climax of the album. The latter travels on a Bo Diddley beat seat to sludge grind for awhile before falling over at the halfway point to feedback and noise. Mistress could have edited it there and still had a sizeable number clocking in at four minutes. Instead they go to about a dozen.

Cover of "Whiplash" is fair. Cover of Tom Waits' "The World Died Screaming" is done as straight as a band of this type can manage and
turns out astonishingly good, easily the best tune on the CD. Plus it shows some love for blues and a faint grasp of melody.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 11 December 2005 22:48 (twenty years ago)

I can't figure out why all the reviews I've seen of the new Darkness record are so majestically positive.

In it's second week of release The Darkness album has slipped to no 34 in the UK album charts. Down from it's 1st week entry of 11.

So the 'peoples band' can't blame the critics for 'the people' ignoring it if the album has had positive reviews.
Maybe a big hit single in 2006 will help it climb back up.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Sunday, 11 December 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

>Mistress on Candlelight/Earache which is apparently new old.

Their recent album In Disgust We Trust wasn't great, but wasn't terrible either. The two cover tunes you cite make me wanna hear the one you're talking about. Iron Monkey's first EP was okay if you really really really liked Eyehategod, but the cover art was better than the music, and by the time they got around to putting out their second album, with horrible cartoon cover art, it was all over. I did like the title of their third disc, though - We've Learned Nothing.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 12 December 2005 00:43 (twenty years ago)

I've seen of the new Darkness record are so majestically positive.

The Rolling Stone review was essentially a pan with an olive twig or two thrown in. I still haven't heard it. Am unlikely to. I'm done with requesting promos of it. I carried enough of Darkness's water two years ago.

I good article could be written on the intersection of two facts: (1) Everyone who reviews the Darkness grabs their strong link to the sound of classic '70's metal and hard rock. The Darkness live or die by it. (2) In contrast with the classic '70's metal and hard rock bands they draw from, they took nothing from the models of music biz success those bands vigorously practiced. In other words, you could have a career if you releases at least one and often more than one album a year for a regular period.

Now perhaps The Darkness felt it didn't have to do that because it was a big deal in England. But every BIG band in the genre from the UK from their roots time DID adhere to a fast release schedule. Status Quo and Slade immediately come to mind. UFO certainly released many, many records. None of these bands let the grass grow under their feet. Neither did Queen. No one did. Period.

So what was and is in their heads? They've made their job impossible in the States without a breakthru hit on video in 2006. Goofs.

George the Animal Steele, Monday, 12 December 2005 01:41 (twenty years ago)

"Their recent album In Disgust We Trust wasn't great, but wasn't terrible either."

I luvved that thing! What's not to like?

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 12 December 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

Hoo-boy, I tried because it was recommended. Ed Gein. Plus the self-defeating name always makes curious. Will it be good enough to leave the CD case lieing around so as to annoy others in the house or make them laugh when they see the song titles? Sadly, full crashing show-stopper. Even short as it purported to be, couldn't get through it. What is it? Metal noise core modelled on the Locust or Dillinger Escape Plan?!? One of the bona fide unlistenables (which probably counts for something) I've run into this year, reserved a space in my head alongside Old Bombs.

George the Animal Steele, Monday, 12 December 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

George -

The dichotomy between the Darkness's overtly 70s sound and their overtly 2000s (and, make no mistake, label-mandated) production rate is interesting, and I agree it could be part of their downfall. (The other big part is that they're yet another UK band that thinks being the hype-toys of the UK press means something - anything - in America.) I would love it if bands hewed to the work ethic of Ted Nugent in his prime - five studio albums and a double live disc between 1975 and 1980. But the big labels want an album every 2-4 years from the acts they're pumping the hardest. Shit, look at what happened to Prince - WB pretty much ordered him to shove the vast majority of his output back on the shelf.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 12 December 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

At first, I was thoroughly into the Darkness album. A few weeks have passed and now I like some songs, but as a whole album, eh, it's fine. But "Knockers" is one of the funnest songs I've heard in a really long time. I think they tried to do waaaay too much -- essentially write their equivalent of "The Sound of Music" soundtrack -- but the result was an album that dropped like a steel turd. (And not in the positive sense of the term.)

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Monday, 12 December 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

But the big labels want an album every 2-4 years from the acts they're pumping the hardest.

Yeah, I agree, Phil. It's just damn foolish. Since audiences are more fickle now and have a lot more to divert them, you just kill yourself by not keeping in front of people -- good, bad or indifferent. It's no more hard now to produce a hard rock album than it was in 1975. Technology and experience has actually made it magnitudes easier.

I fail to understand the artificial barriers to publishing combined with the let's-sit-on-our-asses-for-a-good-long-while practice of The Darkness. Without a substantial miraculous hit, they're in for a rude months-long shock when they get back here to tour. Keep it up, and in another year, they'll be lucky to be booked in the standard metro-dives in ten of the biggest cities.

In other matters, Saxon had been skedded to play an Allentown metro-dive and the show fell through. Struck down by US policy in the war on terror and inability to get past the border for unspecified flimsy reasons. Or maybe they just didn't really want to come. Anyway, Exodus and Three Inches of Blood had been there a week or so prior, my colleague tells me, and that show was a good one.

George the Animal Steele, Monday, 12 December 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

>Without a substantial miraculous hit, they're in for a rude months-long shock when they get back here to tour. Keep it up, and in another year, they'll be lucky to be booked in the standard metro-dives in ten of the biggest cities.

I'm starting to have the same worries w/r/t Rammstein. I got their new album last week, and it's fantastic, stronger than its predecessor which had two or three videos that got brief MTV attention (on Headbangers' Ball anyway), but it doesn't have a US release date yet as far as I know, and they haven't toured the US since about 2001 or 2002, when they were supporting Korn and Limp Bizkit on one of the early Anger Management runs. I wonder if their label has decided not to bother trying to get them any bigger in America than they were a few years ago. If so, that'd be a damn shame.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 12 December 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

I don't like In Flames at all, and am unlikely to even give their new one a courtesy play.

I like the album quite a bit. I was one of the few who liked Soundtrack in 2004, but the new one sounds considerably better, more dual guitar stuff, which I'm always a sucker for.

a. begrand (a begrand), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 04:12 (twenty years ago)

I'm afraid I'm with Phil on In Flames. Like Ed Gein, the new one derailed almost instantaneously.

Now, amazingly, I've had an opp to listen to The Darkness. The mark
of Roy Thomas Baker is strong upon it. They or someone must've dragged him out of retirement with the promise that he could go to town. Anyway, I'm still with the conviction they've waited too long but the title cut and "Knockers" right off the bat give the label things to work. The title cut is slightly better -- it has a wonderful chorus hook -- and a sitar break in it not played by a sitar, but probably by a Variax guitar. It's a guitar with a computer in it that emulates vintage instruments, and it works, and it has sitar algorithms in it, that sound just like what is on the Darkenss LP. I know 'cuz I have one. For the Darkness, it sounds like a sitar but played like a metal guitarist would play, which is what you get when a guitarist does that with a Variax. Trivial, but it made me laugh.

Also the "Knockers" refrain, "I like what you've done with your hair" and rhyming "busty" with "I'm rusty." I suspect the humor will be lost on most of the potential US audience.

So there's a chance.

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 13 December 2005 06:26 (twenty years ago)

Plus, you know, it's just fun to walk around proclaiming your love for "Knockers." ;)

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

I've liked some In Flames in the past (*Whoracle*, for the guitar tapestries mostly, and that EP where they went sort of dance-industrial and covered "Land of Confusion" by Genesis, a catchy sellout as far as I could tell); haven't heard or seen the new one.

Speaking of dance-industrial, can anybody explain by what logic Nine Inch Nails get classified as "hard rock" but Rammstein and Ministry get nominated as "metal" by the Grammy nominees? ....Well, I guess Ministry and Rammstein *are* more metal; I never gave a shit about NIN and never will, and I haven't made it through a Ministry album in at least a decade, and never even knew Rammstein (who I like) put out a new album this year, so big whoop. But all three of those bands, I'd think, have more in common with *each other* than with the other respective bands in their categories (Audioslave, Queens of the Stone Age, System of a Down, Robert Plant in hard rock; Mudvayne, Shadows Fall, Slipknot in metal). Seems almost arbitrary. Which maybe it is. (I'd never call System of a Down "hard rock" either, but whatever. By now, they probably belong in the world music category. Just kidding.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 13 December 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

>never even knew Rammstein (who I like) put out a new album this year

The way the Grammys work, aren't they nominated for something off Reise, Reise anyway?

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

my fave article about all those u.s. troonekroblackmetal dudes:

http://www.decibelmagazine.com/features/jan2006/twilight.aspx

plus, one cool thing about the newly revamped decibel site is you get a full archive of old reviews. read all about how much i liked that Ed Gein album for free!

http://www.decibelmagazine.com/reviews.aspx

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

finally got around to listening to Confessor yesterday...wish I'd gotten to it in time for my Decibel list, that shit is AWESOME

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

A credit to New York State!

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 13 December 2005 16:56 (twenty years ago)

I think I would have voted for the Confessor too if I had heard it earlier.


I finally broke down and bought that double vinyl Xasthur album that has been staring at me at the record store. That and a Frost 7 inch on Southern Lord. Nekro, Tru, whatever, I am a sucker for that shoegazer BM. The record store dudes are heading up to Boston to see Malefic perform with SUNN(((((())))))))))))****&&, but I am not cuz i am lame(((())))))

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)

I received an e-mail earlier today that Don Caballero have signed with Relapse. Does this mean they're metal enough that I should try listening to their earlier albums?

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

The question around here is: will Malefic perform at the Philly show? Not only is it in a church, they're playing the sanctuary!

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

I'm really taken aback by how impressive the new Green Carnation album is. Normally, acoustic albums by metal bands are snoozefests, but this one's actually pretty cool. Most impressively, they actually show (gasp) restraint throughout.

a. begrand (a begrand), Friday, 16 December 2005 08:28 (twenty years ago)

I'm still working my way through the Loudness catalog Wounded Bird splurged on late in the year. A number of these were never released in the US so it's a surprise that Loudness went from being a mispackaged very heavy pretty boy party metal band with US frontman adopted for the American market to something much better. Essentially, the American left and the original throat, who had been left behind in Japan, were replaced with the singer from EZO.

EZO, as far as I knew them, had been a Gene Simmons import job. Saw them live wherein they dressed up as weird combo of Kabuki and geishas. They were a little arty and totally hookless but very rhythmic and pounding and the audience, average metal fans in some dirtbag venue in the Lehigh Valley, were left silent. My drummer liked them because they invited him backstage after the set and turned out to be hard to understand but warmly hospitable for a place that had been totally inhospitable to them.

So Loudness transforms into this relentless and merciless pounding act with a raw screaming singer. The change in style accidentally (or maybe not) takes them into rhythmic grind. The main man remains the guitarist, Takasaki, who destroys, which sets them apart from everyone else since he has a tendency to go between Yngwie Euro-shred to bluesy fills and nasty standard hard rock comping. A lot of the operatic style they were known for early on is also subdued and these albums -- Heavy Metal Hippies and Loudness -- are uniformly good, even excellent in some parts.

George the Animal Steele, Saturday, 17 December 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

Here's an anonymous Sunn review from Philly.

"...went to Philly for the show at the church. It was CRAZY. We got in and these two monk-looking duded opened the door and the entire church was filled with smoke and there was just this incredible DRONE vibrating throughout the whole place. Malefic sang...he's a strange dude. It was cool."

My mission at the roadrunner office party at nokia the other night was to school europeans that SUNN does not rhyme with SANYO. "Oh, it's like an emoticon" said the German. Yes.

The roadrunner party was a hell of a good party, and a fun show. Glen Benton wore his full iron face mask, and two of the best speed metal guitarists ever created, Andreas Kisser and Jeff Waters, dueled on "Curse of the Pharoahs." And the Trivium guys shredded impressively in unison on two of Dimebag's guitars on loan. Greatest office party ever.


Is there already a Loudness - Disillusion Japanese vocals version vs. English vocals version thread?

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Saturday, 17 December 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)

This is not to be missed -- should cure some of you of your allergy to speed metal, or kill you:

Brazil's Marquee Records has just re-released the second album from legendary Canadian thrashers SACRIFICE, entitled "Forward to Termination". It comes as a double CD in a limited-edition hand-numbered slipcase and contains a massive booklet with liner notes by Laurent Ramadier, live pictures and personal comments by Joe Rico (guitar), Rob Urbinati (guitar, vocals), Scott Watts (bass) and Gus Pynn (drums). The reissue features 42 songs in total, all remastered from the originals by Sidney Sohn (NASTY SAVAGE, IRON ANGEL). The complete track listing is as follows:

Disc 1:

"Forward to Termination"

01. Forward to Termination
02. Terror Strikes
03. Re-Animation
04. Afterlife
05. Flames of Armageddon
06. The Entity
07. Forever Enslaved
08. Cyanide
09. Light of the End
10. Pyrokinesis

"FTT" Demo

11. Forward to Termination
12. Pyrokinesis
13. Cyanide
14. Forever Enslaved
15. Afterlife
16. Possession

Live Tracks (Various '87/'89)

17. The Exorcism
18. In Defiance
19. Afterlife
20. Flames of Armageddon
21. Pyrokinesis

Disc 2:

Live In Kitchener, Ontario, Canada (July 25, 1986)

01. Forward to Termination
02. Sacrifice
03. Homicidal Breath
04. Infernal Visions
05. Decapitation
06. Cyanide
07. Afterlife
08. Possession
09. Pyrokinesis
10. Necronomicon
11. Beyond Death

Live In Rochester, NY (December 11, 1988)

12. Pyrokinesis
13. Sacrifice
14. Flames of Armageddon
15. Lost through Time
16. Storm in the Silence
17. The Entity
18. Re-animation

Live at Iloiko’s in Toronto, Canada (January 29, 1987)

19. Terror Strikes
20. Forever Enslaved
21. Re-animation

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Saturday, 17 December 2005 22:05 (twenty years ago)

the philly sunn gig was insane. the dry ice dissipated just enough to see malefic as he took the stage front and center. the sound was great and the sanctuary was the perfect place for the gig.

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Saturday, 17 December 2005 23:10 (twenty years ago)

I received an e-mail earlier today that Don Caballero have signed with Relapse. Does this mean they're metal enough that I should try listening to their earlier albums?

Through a distortion pedal.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Saturday, 17 December 2005 23:37 (twenty years ago)

someone sent me live in 2004 motorhead dvd in the mail. that was nice of them. happy lemmydays.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 17 December 2005 23:46 (twenty years ago)

Brazil's Marquee Records has just re-released the second album from legendary Canadian thrashers SACRIFICE, entitled "Forward to Termination".

greatness!!! they did a really nice job on the torment in fire reissue.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Sunday, 18 December 2005 01:22 (twenty years ago)

does marquee have a website?

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Sunday, 18 December 2005 01:22 (twenty years ago)

http://www.marquee.com.br/


Kayo Dot reminds me of a cool, underloved mid-90s Cargo Records band called Creedle.

The Scum supergroup record is a near-miss, but I'm glad I have it.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Sunday, 18 December 2005 01:54 (twenty years ago)

The Sword's promo looked interesting but didn't deliver. Yet. Maybe it needs more tolerance. But my take was Texan stoner metal with the shit-goddamn-I'm-a-mutherfuckin'-Texas-man-who-plays-Dungeons-n-Dragons vocals. Well played, but boy are those stock stoner metal riffs and rhythms worn threadbare. I have no idea what makes this different, from say, Hognose, other than cover art and subject matter.

eMusic has some of the Ted Nugent catalog, the stuff not owned by the big label which made him a star. And I'd go into a lot of it but Nugent from the 80's was definitely worth the download and burn. St. Holmes came back to the fold and Nuge promised a returned to the sound of Ted Nugent but he did the production himself which pretty much ensured it wouldn't quite get there. But some of it does and the last two numbers, "Let's Rock Tonight" and "Tailgunner" which make up about ten minutes, are excellent recreations of the style and vibe, pretty much ignored by everyone when the record came out.

I was suprised because I'd ignored it in favor of Little Miss Dangerous which was Ted thinking he was going to be a Tv or movie star and up there with the Miami Vicers. I still like that, it's the oddest and most experimental (if Ted could ever be said to be "experimenting") sounding record in his catalog. But I recommend Nugent to longtime fans.

George the Animal Steele, Monday, 19 December 2005 01:22 (twenty years ago)

I received an e-mail earlier today that Don Caballero have signed with Relapse. Does this mean they're metal enough that I should try listening to their earlier albums?

i got that mail too and really, that's a strange deal. They're not metal at all, maybe they've changed there style to meth-rock (as in metal combined with mathrock hah)

rizzxxx, Monday, 19 December 2005 09:08 (twenty years ago)

Nugent's 80s albums, including Nugent, were reissued, remastered, by Spitfire right around the time of the totally ignored/underrated (by pretty much everybody except me and George) Craveman.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

Listening to the "Vertigo mixed by Andy Votel" comp, frickin' great! They call it "hairy funk" on the cover sticker which is about right. I guess a party mix involving Nucleus, Aphrodite's Child, Atlantis and Flied Egg (among others) is going to lose some of the original musical intent, but at least you're spared 7 minute organ solos by guys that look like this :

http://www.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGCOVERS/music/cover200/drg700/g773/g77390thctt.jpg

Matt #2 (Matt #2), Monday, 19 December 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)

There weren't no organ solos in Baker-Gurvitz Army. There was "Mad Jack," a song composed by Baker. It was seven minutes long and quite amusing, in the same was as "Pressed Rat and Warthog." And you can find "Mad Jack" on dat dere CD, which you might pair with Three Man Army's retrospective.

George the Animal Steele, Monday, 19 December 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

a. begrand, i really dug your year-end list. enjoyable reading:


http://www.popmatters.com/columns/begrand/051219.shtml

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 01:32 (twenty years ago)

Adrien Begrand list love seconded.

ng-unit, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 02:12 (twenty years ago)

Thanks, guys.

a. begrand (a begrand), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 04:03 (twenty years ago)

For anyone who needs a laugh -- go to www.karkis.net and watch the video for "Secret Satan."

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Thursday, 22 December 2005 01:24 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...
TORE TOIVICCOS-T. asks Denmark to apologise him
TORE TOIVICCO asks Denmark to apologise him,BECAUSE OF OBVIOUS SURVEILLANCE of AND INTERFERENCE in HIS LIFE, DONE BY DANISH PEOPLE IN DENMARK DURING LAST 5 YEARS,OR MORE.THOUGH THIS CAN BE(AND MOST LIKELY IS)A MATTER OF ILLUMINATI,BUT DANISH OFFICIALS IGNORING MY PLEAS OF HELP, AND NOT INVESTIGATING THIS MATTER,IS WHY I ASK DANISH GOVERNMENT TO APOLOGISE ME,AND GIVE ME AN ECONOMICAL COMPENSATION,AND MY RIGHTS BACK IN DENMARK,SO THAT I CAN FREELY MEET MY LOVED ONES IN DENMARK,AND WALK FREELY IN DENMARK.
(last weekend 7-8.4.2006 I GOT DISTURBED OR ATTACKED 4 TIMES IN COPENHAGEN AREA.THIS HAPPENED AFTER I HAD PUBLISHED LINK WHICH CRITICIZES FREE MASONS CHILD SEX RINGS:/ (SOURCE:FARQUHAR :
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/internet_problem.html )

AS LONG AS THIS AND MORTENSENS HAVE NOT BEEN HANDLED TORE TOIVICCO ASKS UN SEND UN PEACE CORPS TO DENMARK:
I ASK UNITED NATIONS TO SEND UN PEACE CORPS TO DENMARK TO QUARANTEE HUMAN RIGHTS AND EQUALITY FOR IMMIGRANTS AND MAKE LIFE SAFE HERE FOR IMMIGRANTS AND MUSLIMS.

DANISH PEOPLE DOESN´T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT IMMIGRANTS SHOULD HAVE SAME RIGHTS AS ANYONE ELSE.I CALL THIS DANSKCRIMINATION-IF IMMIGRANT COMPLAINS ABOUT CRIMES DONE TO HIM, DANISH PEOPLE MAY LAUGH, OR ONLY STATE THAT THATS NOT A CRIME,OR WE CAN´T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

ONE EXAMPLE OF THIS IS HOW DANISH PEOPLE HAVE PROVOKED MUSLIMS BY USING PICTURES OF MOHAMMED(=BLASHEMY OF ISLAM).

I HAVE IN MY OPEN LETTER TO SVALI WRITTEN ABOUT MY SITUATION IN DENMARK,AND IT´S BASICLY THAT OFFICIALS ARE NOT INTERESTED TO HANDLE MATTERS THEY SHOULD,SO I DON´T GET ANY SERVICE FROM DANISH OFFICIALS, EXCEPT THOSE THINGS THEY CANNOT DENY FROM ME (BEING TO OBVIOUS RACISM).I HOPE THAT JESUS HELPS ME TO LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY AND GIVES ME CHANCE TO GET MY LOVED ONES IN DENMARK BACK TO ME.AND STOP THIS POSSIBLE CRIME OF "ILLUMINATI"-PEOPLE AGAINST ME,IN WHICH THEY HAVE STOPPED ME TO MEET OR SEE PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY CLOSE TO ME,OR WOULD HAVE BEEN UNLESS SEPARATED FROM ME,WITH THE HELP OF OFFICIALS/THEIR CONNECTIONS.BECAUSE OF CRAZY "ILLUMINATI"-CONNECTED PEOPLE(BRØNDBY?)?JESUS LET IT BE CLEARED WHAT IS SITUATION REGARDING MY CHILD AND PERSONS WHOM I LOVE,LET ME GET JUSTICE HAPPEN IN DENMARK,AND LET ME BECOME FREE TO TALK TO THEM AND MEET THEM FREELY.

IMMIGRANTS REPLIES ARE MOSTLY REMOVED FROM DANISH DEBATES(IMMIGRANTS ARE UNDER SURVEILLANCE IN DENMARK?)THESE KIND OF THINGS I HAVE EXPERIENCED IN SOL.DK,JUBII.DK AND LIBERATOR.DK -DEBATES.THIS WOULD BE RACISM OR NAZISM- DANSKCRIMINATION?MY MYMUSIC.DK MESSAGE HAS PROPABLY DISAPPEARED ALSO, IMMEDIATELY AFTER I HAD FINALLY GOTTEN IT ALMOST PERFECT.

Here is part of my letter to SVALI(EX-ILLUMINATI-MEMBER)
YESTERDAY 18.2.I GOT FOLLOWED BY 2 MEMBERS FROM PLACE WHERE I USE COMPUTER,AND DSB(DANISH RAILWAYS)INSPECTOR WHOM I COMPLAINED WHEMN I WAS THREATENED BY VIOLENCE,JUST LAUGHED AND ASKED TO CALL POLICE,INSTEAD OF DOING IT HIMSELF.THOUGH SITUATION GOT HANDLED,BUT NOW THOSE PEOPLE,GANGMEMBERS?- ARE AFTER ME?I CANNOT USE INTERNET FREELY,OR BE FREELY IN COPENHAGEN.TODAY ONE OMEMBER FROM INTERNET-PLACE WAS AT STATION WHICH I USE WHEN I GO TO COPENHAGEN.HE HAS EARLIER DISTURBED ME IN THAT INTERNET CAFE.ONE OF THOSE EPOPLE IS PROPABLE PET,OR SOMEKIND OF OFIICIAL CONECTED PERSON(DANISH).I GUESS I AM UNDER CONTROL, OR ALSO MY INTERNET -USE.SOMEOONE WAS STANDING SECRETLY BEHINSD ME YESTERDAY WHEN I WAS USING COMPUTER.
THIS IS ONLY ONE DAYS HAPPENINGS, BUT THIS KIND OF THINGS HAPPENS ALMOST EVERYDAY, EXCEPT THAT THERE IS NO VIOLENCE(ESPECIALLY IF I ALWAYS AVOI! D it="GO" ÁWAY).I GUESS IT´S POSSIBLE THEY TRY TO MAKE ME SOMETHING STUPID,GET ANGRY,VIOLENT,ETC.SO THAT THEY CAN JUST DESTROY ME.
THIS MAY BE ALSO A WAY TO STOP ME SEEING PEOPLE IN COPENHAGEN,BECAUSE THIS WEEK WAS A WINTER-HOLIDAY IN DENMARK, AND THEREFORE I COULD HAVE MET SOME PEOPLE I CANNOT NORMALLY EVER MEET IN COPENHAGEN, SO NOW I AM STOPPED TO GO TO COPENHAGEN CITY.THIS WOULD FIT ILLUMINATI-THEORY,ILLUMINATI BEING BEHIND THIS DISCRIMINATION AND CONTROL OF MY LIFE HERE.
I GUESS THIS CAN BE DANISH OR EVEN INTERNATIONAL ILLUMINATI/FREEMASON-MAFIA.IN DENMARK IS PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD.WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?INSPECTOR YESTERDAY DIDN´T GAVE HIS NAME.

Things like what happened 10.3.(BROENDBY STRAND) must be stopped.AM I UNDER SURVEILLANCE IN DENMARK?

F.EX. NOW THERE HAS BEEN GANGS IN SAME BUSSES I AM USING,AND THIS IS NOT NORMAL.BY USING MOBILES F.EX. DANISH FREE MASONS AND THEIR CONNECTIONS MAY MOBILIZE 10000-100000 PEOPLE IN COPENHAGEN AREA.IF THEY USE THIS AGAINST ME I BEING ALONE CANNOT DO ANYTHING.THEREFORE I AM AFRAID TO MOVE IN DENMARK.

DANSKCRIMINATION:"LIVING IN DENMARK IS A PARTY FOR DANISH PEOPLE BUT MADE A NIGHTMARE FOR IMMIGRANTS"

Have I been under surveillance IN DENMARK,AND POLICE REFUSED TO HELP ME OR INVESTIGATE IT?IF THIS IS THE CASE,I THEREFORE ASK COMPENSATION OF AT LEAST 14 MILLION US DOLLARS,AND THAT EVERYTHING IS MADE GOOD AGAIN.OTHERWISE I HAVE NO LIFE IN DENMARK,AND WE HAVE DISCRIMINATION OR PERSECUTION HERE?AND UN SHOULD SET SANCTIONS TO CORRECT THIS SITUATION.
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NOTES(DON´TAKE THESE opinions SERIOUSLY if you feel bad about them:)
_I WANT TO STATE THAT MOST OF COLOURED IMMIGRANTS IN DENMARK ARE NOT PROB-LEM AND THEY ARE PART OF NORMAL LIFE IN DENMARK.I THINK MOST PROBLEMS IN DENMARK ARE CAUSED BY DF-PARTYS STATEMENTS AGAINST IMMIGRANTS AND JP-NEWSPAPERS MOHAMMED-DRAWINGS,AND THESE THINGS MAY BE MEANT TO IRRITATE MUSLIMS IN DENMARK ,AND WORLDWIDE?
-I AM A CHRISTIAN AND I ACCEPT ALL MUSLIMS AND RELIGIONS ,UNLESS THEY ACTIVELY DO CRIMES(SATANISM?)AND I THINK THAT MOST CHRISTIANS ACCEPT MUSLIMS IN DENMARK,AND THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY PROBLEMS BETWEEN THESE 2 RELIGIONS.
-ALSO IN YUGOSLAVIA MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS HAD LIVED IN PEACE LONG TIME,BUT WHEN RADOVAN KARADZIC CAME IN TO POWER,THERE STARTED TO BE RACE HATE-PROPAGANDA.
-IT´S ALSO SAID THAT THERE WOULDN´T BE ANY RIOTS IN GHETTOS IN USA, UNLESS MEDIA WOULDN´T CREATE THEM.
*****
THERE HAS BEEN MUSLIM RAGE TOWARDS DENMARK.ANYWAY IT´S STRANGE THAT MUSLIMS HAVE NOT RAGED AGAINST RADOVAN KARADZIC(UNDER HIS REGIME THERE WERE about 100000-200000 MUSLIMS KILLED AND ABOUT 40000 MUSLIM WOMEN RAPED IN SERBIA.)
HAS MEDIA SOMETHING TO DO WITH THIS-IS MEDIA MANIPULATING OPINIONS OF MASSES?
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MOST OF MY WRITINGS MAY FEEL STRANGE TO READERS WHO HAVE NO EXPERIENCE ABOUT OCCULT OR SATANIC GROUPS, BUT THOSE ONES WHO KNOW ABOUT THOSE THINGS MAY KNOW EVERYTHING TO BE TRUE.(OF COURSE I CAN BE WRONG.I HOPE I WE-RE...)OF COURSE IT´S NOT EASY TO KNOW ABOUT THOSE THINGS ,BECAUSE THEY ARE HIDDEN.
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_DANISH ILLUMINATI SYSTEM?:
IMMIGRANT GANGS HANDLE "PROBLEMS",AND POLICE IGNORES?NØRREBRO IS KEPT FREE AREA FOR IMMIGRANT GANGS,CHRISTIANIA FOR DRUG DEALING(HELLS AN-GELS/BANDIDOS?)
POLICE IS STATISFIED WHEN CRIMINALS KEEP PEOPLE UNDER THEIR COMMAND AND THEY DO NOTHING TO STOP THIS?POLICE STANDS AND ALLOWS ATTACKERS WALK FREE?
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DANSKCRIMINATION:ONE WAY HOW DENMARK STOPS INTEGRATION IS TO STOP IMMIGRANTS FROM CHATTING AND DEBATTING?
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POST DANMARK STOPS LETTERS GOING OUT FROM DENMARK?IT´S NOT POSSIBLE TO GET DATA FREELY OUT FROM DENMARK? Maybe not even e-mails?
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TORE TOIVICCO asks Denmark to apologize :
STASI,hk,
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IF SOMEONE HAD BEEN WITH ME AT LEAST ONE WEEKS TIME IN DENMARK, HE WOULD PROPABLY HAD UNDERSTOOD WHAT MY SITUATION IS.BUT WITHOUT BEING WITH ME,IT´S MAYBE IMPOSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND.
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DANSKCRIMINATION:
DANISH NEWSPAPER TESTED HOW DANISH OFFICES ARE ANSWERING TO IMMIGRANTS WHO CALLED AND WANTED TO RENT AN APARTMENT.ANSWERS PROVED THAT DANISH PEOPLE TOLD IMMIGRANTS MUCH LONGER WAITING TIME THAN TO DANISH CALLERS.
*****
_Illuminati business denmark?:
I guess it can be that Illuminati-elite in Denmark GETS money FROM INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS MADE BY "ILLUMINATI-IMMIGRANTS/ ILLUMINATI ORGANIZATIONS/FIRMS-BUSINESSES".DRUG TRADE?SEX?
*****
"IMMIGRANTS MAY NOT BE INTEGRATED INTO DANISH SOCIETY.THEY MAY NOT BECOME PART OF DANISH SOCIETY."
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DANISH IMAM AKKARI MADE A JOKE ABOUT KILLING A PRIME MINISTER,WHILE AKKARI WAS TALKING WITH SOME OF HIS MUSLIM FRIENDS.THIS WAS SECRETLY TAPED,AND HE HAD TO MOVE OUT FROM DENMARK.
*****
DANISH ATTITUDE?:"IT´S A CRIME TO LIVE IN DENMARK IF YOU ARE AN IMMIGRANT."
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______________________________
SAID BY CIA-AGENT LEE HARVEY OSWALD(USA,1963) and CITIZEN TORE
TOIVICCO(Denmark,2005):
" I do request someone to come forward to give me legal assistance. "
(PÅ DANSK: JEG BEDER OM AT NOGEN KOMMER OG GIVER MIG JURIDISK
BISTAND")
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TORE TOIVICCO IS A CHRISTIAN POLITICIAN,pop-ARTIST AND RESEARCHER OF
SATANISM
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TORE TOIVICCO, Monday, 10 April 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)


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