Rolling 2005 Country Thread

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I think last year's country-related threads turned me on to more music than any others. The rolling 2004 country thread didn't even start until 2004, so i figured it best to get an early start...

john'n'chicago, Friday, 4 February 2005 17:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay!
"My Give a Damn's Broken," Jo Dee Messina: a great rockin' single that makes me very happy because it's like Shania and Toby Keith in a mash-up

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 4 February 2005 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link

At the moment I'm loving "That's Why I Hate Pontiacs" by Rebecca Lynn Howard. Except I can't find it for download anywhere and just have to listen to top 40 country stations waiting for it to turn up.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 4 February 2005 17:44 (nineteen years ago) link

what i like so far:

BILLY DON BURNS
DEANNA CARTER
SHELLY FAIRCHILD
SHOOTER JENNINGS
MIRANDA LAMBERT
MAGNOLIA ELECTRIC CO.
TIM MCGRAW “Drugs Or Jesus” single
ELIZABETH MCQUEEN AND THE FIREBRANDS
MARY PRANKSTER
LEANN RIMES (not nearly as good as her previous disco one, though)
SAWYER BROWN WITH ROBERT RANDOLPH “Mission Temple Fireworks Stand” single
DALLAS WAYNE
WIDE RIGHT - cover of "The Pill" by Loretta Lynn on their imminent but not otherwise country second album
LEANN WOMACK
*The Little Darlin Sound of Should Have Been Hits* reissue comp

but the new Kathleen Edwards album is a complete bore (and i'd liked her first one a couple years ago okay)

chuck, Friday, 4 February 2005 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link

er, that should read: "The rolling 2004 country thread didn't even start until October 2004..."

john'n'chicago, Friday, 4 February 2005 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link

(My favorite song by far on the Miranda Lambert album, by the way, is the one that sounds exactly like some Screaming Blue Messiahs song from 1986. "Me and Charlie Talking" is okay, though, I guess.)

chuck, Friday, 4 February 2005 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Elizabeth McQueen's covering pub rock and waveabilly. Some of it does have a countryish theme, feel, and/or arrangement. Including the best two-three tracks, one of which she wrote (would like to hear more originals). But mostly, she's way behind the original versions that I'm familiar with (by Dave Edmunds, Nick Lowe, Graham Parker), and kinda boring on most of the songs new to me. Probably better live though. Tift Merrit's "Good-Hearted Man" is kinda disgusting, but I recently heard her do another song on "The Tonight Show," which was very fetchin', though not Gretchen: more on the womany-folkie side, but but she does have the (fairly rare) knack for that, at least live( speaking again of live).

don, Saturday, 5 February 2005 04:49 (nineteen years ago) link

So I guess that new BUCK 65 quasi-retrospective that I've had an advance of since last summer but only just recently got the real thing of sorta counts as a 2005 country album too, right? If you want it to. Either way, it's quite good.

chuck, Sunday, 6 February 2005 02:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Grupo Montez de Durango's new album is really great if you don't mind a little polka and INSANE FUCKING DRUMS which do SNARE ROLLS ALL THE TIME FOR NO REASON. Awesome song structures; the last tune (which is I think the only one written by a bandmember) is positively Webbian in its shifty melody.

VH1 Country has been playing a lot of some dude's version of Hank Jr.'s "It Takes a Whole Lot of Liquor to Like Her," anyone have any ideas who this big Bubba Sparxxx lookalike is, and is it from this year or not?

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 6 February 2005 03:40 (nineteen years ago) link

New CMT show, true/falsing various country urban legends, confirms that the Warren Brothers had an 80s Christian Metal band, St. *Warren*! An album too. Debunked: David Allen Coe did not teach Charlie Manson to play guitar in prison. Did Jimmy Hoffa in fact finace his first tour bus? They didn't answer that one.

don, Sunday, 6 February 2005 16:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Heard three more songs from Lee Ann Womack's 'There's More Where That Came From' at a Virgin Megastore yesterday, and they're pretty much all as good as the single (which is still my fave single of '05 so far). The album's out Tuesday, and I am wet with anticipation. This could be one of '05's best, regardless of genre.

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Sunday, 6 February 2005 19:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Has anybody pointed out that the single from the Lee Ann Womack album (the hate myself in the morning one) sounds a *lot* like "Little Green Apples" by O.C. Smith? (Hey, seeing how I have the both songs on vinyl now, maybe I'll play them back to back when I DJ next weekend.) My favorite song on the new Womack is still probably the 20 years and two husbands ago one, though.

I still didn't hear the new Kenny Chesney album. I'm sure I'll probably like it when I do, though everybody saying how "quiet" and "intropective" it is isn't as encouraging as Kenny saying on CMT that he's been listening mainly to Bob Marley and Jackson Browne records on his boat lately. I was kinda hoping that "Island Boy" was gonna be a come-out-of-the-closet song, maybe even an answer to the old Elton John hit, but somebody would've said something by now if it actually was, right? (Other bad news for gay marriage in Nashville fans: Big Kenny apparently got married to a woman last weekend. Though Kandia Crazy Horse swears that "Little Kenny" is the guy who inspires more rumors down there. Jon Caramanica has said that the male bonding in the backstage tiki bar on Kenny's last tour was quite impressive as well.)

This weekend, the HACIENDA BROTHES album kicked in for me -- somebody at Koch is apparently making a concerted effort to get me to finally like alt-country, and they're doing a real good job. (Who knows, maybe they have Dwight Yoakam doing A&R. I can totally see him loving those new CDs by the Hacienda Bros and Dallas Wayne -- who is from Springfield MO not Dallas by the way, and whose last album on Hightone was really good too, and whose new album's title track concerns a stalker fan who winds up murdering said fan's idol at the surprise ending -- not to mention he'd love all that Little Darlin stuff Koch has been reissuing lately. I really liked the Groovy Joe Poovey collection they put together last fall. Other people would maybe like their new Johnny Paycheck and Jeanie C Riley reissues more than I do. The *Should Have Been Hits* comp I mention above has five or six pretty great tracks, and 14 or 15 other ones frequently endearing in their catchy ineptness.)

One last thing: If I hadn't let *Black Shelton's Barn and Grill* sit around til early January without listening to it, it easily would have made my 2004 country top ten. My favorite track, even more than "Some Beach," is probably "What's On My Mind." And okay, this is *really* stupid -- only in the past week did it occur to me that Blake Shelton (who kinda drawls like John Anderson, to my ears) and Ricky Van Shelton are not the same person! For weeks I kept thinking "Didn't he used to be totally boring and puritan? When did he suddenly get good??", and now it's clear that they are two different people. So. Does anybody know whether Blake's previous albums are worth looking around for?

chuck, Monday, 7 February 2005 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Leeann's cute as lil green apples, but whut she's actually got is big pink melons, wafting in the breeze (hey I'm just quotin the video--and did yall see that camera disappear into her cleavage in the vidoe of the duet with Wilie)

John Q. Mellonfarmer, Monday, 7 February 2005 20:42 (nineteen years ago) link

OMG country gossip: Allison Moorer and Butch Primm are separated! She's dating Steve Earle now, they're moving to NYC together and touring together and recording together! I don't know what this all means for either of their careers! But it's gossip! So I'm reporting it!

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 05:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I listened to "Little Green Apples" this morning back to back with the Leann song, and confirmed that they do indeed sound alike. I'd forgotten what a great song "Little Green Apples" was, though it's pretty creepy when O.C. goes into that minstrel blackface "when myself iz feelin low" part. (Also, how come so many black country singers had names like O.C. Smith, O.B. McLinton, and O.V. Wright? Or is that just my imagination?)

chuck, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:21 (nineteen years ago) link

new big $ rich single = "big time" (their third best so far!)

chuck, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 01:28 (nineteen years ago) link

that's a pretty good song, but where is "real world" dammit?

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 01:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't quite place whether "Mission Temple Fireworks Stand" is really as bold and fun as it might be, or if it's just the bright colors in the video coloring my opinion.

the new Trace Adkins single "Songs About Me" is almost good, I like the concept, but the melody and especially the chorus never seem to get going.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 01:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Caught Tim McGraw's "Drugs or Jesus" on the radio, and what an open-ended piece of preachin' it is:

Everybody just wants to get high
Sit and watch a perfect world go by
We're all looking for love and meaning in our lives
We follow the roads that lead us
To drugs or Jesus

Out of context, it might as well be Depeche Mode.

briania (briania), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:11 (nineteen years ago) link

sort of...except tim mcgraw can sing!

chuck, Friday, 11 February 2005 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, yeah, and Tim McGraw can be surprising, too. The deejay announced the title before playing it, and I was struck with a complete case of what the F%#$??!? Can't say I've ever thought that about just the title of a DM song.

briania (briania), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyone heard "Over and Over" on country radio?

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Sure, all the time.

briania (briania), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay, good.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Word 'em up on the love for the Leann Womack album.

Huk-L, Friday, 11 February 2005 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Never appreciated DM til I heard Johnny Cash do "Personal Jesus."

don, Friday, 11 February 2005 19:50 (nineteen years ago) link

the new Deana Carter kind of sounds like half Avril Lavigne and half Allison Moorer

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link

new shelby lynne album: thumbs down (i'm still waiting for her to go back to western swing, or at least to "sell out" again and piss off her triple-a fans. though *suit yourself* is *maybe* slightly less reserved than her last one.)

akron/family (lifeless alt/art-country on m. gira's label): thumbs downer

chuck, Friday, 11 February 2005 21:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Shelby is a case of backward commerciality, in which the more she sells out, the less it's bought. She's got an alt-audience.

briania (briania), Friday, 11 February 2005 21:14 (nineteen years ago) link

More on "Over & Over" airplay, and further proof that I live in bizarro-land. I've never heard it once on the local "urban" station (which actually only plays music with rappin' on it during certain restricted time slots, anyway), but it was in hot rotation on the clearchannel country station.

briania (briania), Saturday, 12 February 2005 03:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Kinky Friedman's running for Governor of Texas. Slogan: "How Bad can It Be?" Not badatall, especially compared to what they've gotten so far. Excellent interview with Wolf Blitzer this afternoon (probably archived on cnn.com). He's as good with the gnarly soundbites as prim Howard Dean. When Howard becomes Democratic Party Chairman, mebbe they can have a live oral duke-out (all proceeds to the charities undeerfunded since the tsunami relief effort's been flooded with donations)(would be good if proceeds coud go to the programs being underfunded as Bush drains them to show that he does too care about tsunami, but you can't donate to the guvmint!) Sure won't go to the Dems, cos Kinky's strictly independant. Points out that Texas is No. 1 in executions and No. 49 in education, but he's not against the death penalty in principle, just "wanna see the *right people get executed, not the innocent ones." A radical position in TX, where theyhave a special Appeals Court to which prosecutors can appeal,incl vs. them nasty DNA tests (And even *after* such tests:the Appeals Court obliges with "well maybe it wasn't *his* blood on the victim, but he coulda handed the knife to somebody else previously undtected, at the last second," ect.)Also, Kinky talks about Jesus quite a bit for a guy witha Lone Star O' David on his flag. But in sum, "I want kids to be able to say 'Merry Christmas' again, ever'body to smoke cigars wherever they want to, cowboys to sing again and horses to nbe smart again. An anti-wussification campaign, one wuss at a time." Wolf:"I think he was looking at me when he said that."(Course he was, you were interviewing him.) Hopefully there will be an album of campaign songs. At least there's a family tradition of singing governors: Texas had W.W."Pappy"Daniels, of Lightcrust Doughboys fame; Louisiana's Gov. Jimmie "You Are My Sunshine" Davis (whose Bloodshot collection is still in print, I think); Alabama's Big Jim and son Little Big Jim Folsom, and whut about Gov. Cliton's mellow sax

don, Saturday, 12 February 2005 03:20 (nineteen years ago) link

correction "like prime Howard Dean."Not "prim Howard Dean." And Kinky won't scream like meltdown Howard, cos the cigars give him too manly a vocal "range."

don, Saturday, 12 February 2005 06:21 (nineteen years ago) link

What's the deal with this solo album from Big Kenny? It's a rerelease of an older CD, right? Is it worth a damn?

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Saturday, 12 February 2005 07:50 (nineteen years ago) link

reissue of the year, probably:

*You Ain't Talkin' to Me: Charlie Poole and the Roots of Country Music* (Columbia/Legacy three disc set).

I am playing the advance now, and (so far) it is amazing.

chuck, Monday, 14 February 2005 18:38 (nineteen years ago) link

(so tell us about it please?) B&R in dresses, etc: they kinda remind me of Y'all, and can hear how they might've been influenced by THE HEY Y'ALL SOUNDTRACK: SONGS AND JINGLES FROM THE FIRST SEASON, whch might have also influenced Muzik Mafia's roadshow/medicine show aspect, as well as the basic sound. Although B&R do it better, but they're going for something more Cinerama--this is spozed to be like a syndicated pop-country show from late 60s/early 70s (credits incl. JR Taylor as Key Grip, Neil Strauss as Gaffer, Porter Wagoner as Dolly, Friends Of Dorothy doing Travel Arrangements, Kristi Rose as Jingle Girl, Nashville cats such as Redd Volkaert, Roland White, Fats kaplan, etc.)Jay Byrd and Steven have since broken up, as couple and duo, but couldn't stand to be too far apart, so both are back in Nashville, far as I know. One's got a a book and a comp and the other's tweaking a documentary of their life and times, which I think has been shown at Sundance (see luckygreendress.com) Oh yea, and the B&R song about the kid who wants to be a rock star, and they're chanting "pro-zac, pro-zac," is real close to a (happier) epic on Daniel Johnston's REJECTED UNKNOWN. Both got dubbed-in arena zombies cheering them on, etc.

don, Monday, 14 February 2005 23:35 (nineteen years ago) link

>(so tell us about it please?) <

well for one thing there are TWO different versions (by charlie and by arthur collins) of "moving day", which holy modal rounders covered on their great first-i-think album, and two (by charlie and by gid tanner & faith norris) of "goodbye booze," which peter stampfel covered sometime later (on *going nowhere fast* with weber, a/k/a/ the best folk album of the '80s, maybe?). also cameo tracks by the north carolina ramblers, floyd county ramblers, highlanders, blue ridge highballers, peerless quartet, virginia string band, the immortal uncle dave macon of course, big chief henry's indian string band, and many more, most of them seemingly doing versions of songs that charlie also did. also two versions of a somewhat offensive ditty called "coon from tennessee," including one by the georgia crackers (is that emmett miller's band? i think it might be, though i dunno if this is him here). and of course charlie's "seet sixteen," which invented bubblegum music since it's about a 16-year-old girl literally fond of chewing gum. is that enough for now? (so who would wind a battle of bands, charlie poole or dock boggs? i have no idea.)

chuck, Monday, 14 February 2005 23:53 (nineteen years ago) link

oops, "SWEET sixteen" i meant (though said song does not explain whether her chewing gum lost its flavor on the bedpost overnight).

chuck, Monday, 14 February 2005 23:54 (nineteen years ago) link

speaking of seet sixteen, see whut yr. daughter thinks (u sure are coming out as a superfolkie all of a sudden! Her influence? Rat on)

don, Tuesday, 15 February 2005 01:41 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=81251

and he is GOOD rapper, by the way.

chuck, Friday, 18 February 2005 01:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Looking fwd to that. Musik Mafia is frustrating because so far I haven't gotten to hear much music, just all this "reality" stuff, like Rich getting pissy, even when ever' body else agrees that the first night show was indeed just a hair off, like the (how dare he!) NYTimes reviewer gently mentioned. Gets pissy about other stuff too. Also, there's some unintentional visual distraction, like when Heart joined Gretchen and B&R (duo and band) onstage, and I got completely sidetracked by this "Indian" feather growing out of Big Kenny's thatched roof. He was hunched over, back to the audience, strumming and minding his own business, but dayum...

don, Friday, 18 February 2005 02:29 (nineteen years ago) link

is there some weird cunninglingus shit hapening in kenny chesneys key lime song, it sounds like a country version of warrants cherry pie--w/o any of the macho bullshit. (also its laughably bad)

anthony, Friday, 18 February 2005 09:52 (nineteen years ago) link

ITEM: Jessi Alexander, Honeysuckle Sweet (Sony Nashville), good debut album from a young singer/songwriter named for Jessi Colter; folk and soul and country vibes, not very rock-ish, collabs with Gary Louris and Benmont Tench and Darrell Scott and her boyfriend Jon Randall (wrote "Whiskey Lullaby" and works with lots of bluegrass people as well as top Nashville studs), pretty production and co-writing with Gary Nicholson. I like this person, she's funky.

ITEM: One of the best country singles of the year so far is Intocable's "Aire," currently #1 on the Latin charts, what a great band.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 25 February 2005 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Also: Anthony's review of Kenny C's album in today's Stylus is some very nice work. AE, you are the bomb these days.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 25 February 2005 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Agreed: I was thinking about reviewing that one myself (I actually did for the local paper) but Anthony far surpassed anything I could've managed on the subject, I esp. liked how he touched on colonialist baggae w/o getting bogged down in it.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Friday, 25 February 2005 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the Reckless Kelly album (country rock on bluegrass label Sugar Hill), which Edd Hurt told me about (though they don't sound as much like .38 Special as he says they do, or even as the new EP by New York garage band the Fame does, though to me that Fame one actually sounds even more like Rick Springfield when you get down to it), and which just entered Billboard's country chart this week (RK not Fame that is).

chuck, Friday, 25 February 2005 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Holly (or Holley?) Williams, daughter of Hank Jr., heard thsi past weekend on Public Radio's "Woodsongs" (they also had Jack Clement recetly! Pushing new product? I'll check)(they have a lot of crap on there too). This HW dosn't sound anything like the Hanks, or like her aunt, Jett Williams. A clear, unaffected voice, but with moments of well-timed drama (melodramtic just technically; "melo"=music or course). Songshapes kinda like Townes (but no "harlequins" or solemn self-referential imagery), Gram (his originals; his covers tend to be more twangy than hers), the crisper acoustic Neil, Lucinda I reckon, or Cyndi Boste, although her voice isn't that deep (rangewise or emotionally, but the latter may come). I guess the reflectivenss *is* like some of her famliy's (even her Dad's, found at its least guarded on his post-faceslide ballads). But not stylistically. This was an acoutic set, think she might've had a second guitarist.I need to listen to the actual tape: it got the whole thing, though I just started listening while she was in progress. But on a bad radio, across a room I was stressing around, she finally shut me up and set me down, which doesn't happen that often. We'll see what the album can do (produced, or *produced*?)

don, Friday, 25 February 2005 21:21 (nineteen years ago) link

shooter jennings is in this months gq, and seems the asshole. aw shucks you guys.

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 26 February 2005 00:19 (nineteen years ago) link

So he's gonna play his father, and these other li'l critters and playing Johnny and June, in some movie? That's weird. Can't see them having the presence, but mebbe.

don, Saturday, 26 February 2005 05:27 (nineteen years ago) link

hes singing the updated theme for the dukes of hazard theme song, i dont know anything about him in the june/johnny project.

anthony, Saturday, 26 February 2005 05:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, some little bit on TV: "Heh, I'm playin' my dad. It's a trip, man"--maybe he's just gonna imitate Waylon doing those little occasional voice-over narrative bits, as well as the theme, for Dukes? I wanna see Nick Nolte as Waylon, dang it.

don, Saturday, 26 February 2005 05:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I like that Deana Carter album a lot.

I'm listening to Blaine Larsen's autobiographical coming-of-age album right now, too, and he sings really well, especially for a guy who just turned 19.

I'm also kinda liking this guy, Dave Insley, who's very post-honky-tonk, on his latest, called "Call Me Lonesome," which features some truly outré pedal-steel solos. Very well thought-out, formalism for sure, but I find him immensely appealing. Not a great or deep singer. But the tempos are up, the band rocks, and the attention to detail is quite high.

That Elizabeth McQueen album I like...I find her versions of those pubrock classics comparable with the originals, and she sure can sing. She knows the songs are second-hand and funny.

Chuck E. right about that Blake Shelton song "What's on My Mind"--that's the one I got in my head too.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 26 February 2005 18:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey Edd (and everyone), does Deana Carter singing "Thanks to Elvis and Kurt Cobain / The world will never be the same" grate on your ears the way it does on mine? (QUOTA-IST ALERT:) Would it have fucking killed her to include someone of color on her list of wonderful people: Elvis, Kurt, Jesus, John Wayne, John Lennon, Kennedy? Or a woman for chrissakes?

But I like the record too. I have a big crush on the character from "Katie" but I imagine that's the point...she probably looks like the teenage Deana Carter.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Saturday, 26 February 2005 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

another real good new country- (or folk if you prefer, heck maybe even alt-country again if you insist, not singer-songwriter though she has an excellent now, and not wallfloweresque at all)-lady album from this year: The Maybelles' self-released *White Trash Jenny,* featuring Jan Bell, who in 2001 wrote and sang one of the saddest and most gorgeous and least deluded songs about 9-11 (which was entitled "Not My Country" or something like that; I don't have it in front of me, but you should look it up; it will break your heart.)

chuck, Saturday, 26 February 2005 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

oops she has an excellent BAND now I meant to say

chuck, Saturday, 26 February 2005 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

honky tonk u by toby keith--the shitkickikg, red lit exodus starts now (is this a good thing, i mean its an aamzing track--but is it a bell wether.)

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 28 February 2005 14:39 (nineteen years ago) link

i like the maybelle, one alot!

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 28 February 2005 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Big Kenny, *Live a Little* (Hollwood) -- hey, this is really good!!

chuck, Thursday, 3 March 2005 22:35 (nineteen years ago) link

"Honky Tonk U" sounds pretty useless on CMT, like most of his recent video-soundtracks, but that can be deceptive (haven't heard the CD). Chuck, Live A Little, is the Big Kenny solo album, I hope? Tellus More!

don, Friday, 4 March 2005 00:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Cover (not a sticker, the actual cover) proclaims "Big & Rich's Big Kenny: The legendary solo album by Mr.Universal Minister of Love. Bone country, psychedelic rock...and everything in-between." I have no idea why they put a hyphen in between the "in" and the "between." Also, I haven't heard any "psychedelic" rock on it per se', but then maybe that's because I had just finished playing an Acid Mothers Temple CD right before I put it on. Sounds like countryfied goofball hopped-up soft rock (that sometimes rock hard) to me. Catchy! And he sings great. One song is "Trip"; maybe that's the psychedelic one? First line of the album sez "Oh, the birds are dancing," and when I first heard it I thought it said "Oh, the drugs are dancing" instead. Last song on the album is "Rumba," which may or may not be one.

Btw, "excellent" was a bit of an exaggeration above in re: Jan Bell's Maybelles bluegrass band. But much better than competent, for sure...

chuck, Friday, 4 March 2005 01:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Yow, I'll keep an ear for thatun, thanks for the tip!

don, Friday, 4 March 2005 02:00 (nineteen years ago) link

ok, uh, after playing it in the car last night on the way to pennsylvania (or at least the first few tracks), scratch lotsa what i said above re: big kenny's CD. it might in fact be horrible, i dunno. at the very least it's very very precious. yet....probably "interesting," at least. and more psychedelic than i thought, at least if pscychedelic includes tweedledeedee pinky-in-the-air late '60s Beach Boys/Beatles-into-ELO (into, uh, Elephant 6 even?)baroqueness embellishing vaguely Latin-lilting...what?, Jon Secada songs or something?....more opinions eventually, I'm sure. (Don, I sent you an extra one they sent by the way. Anxious to hear what you think.)

chuck, Saturday, 5 March 2005 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link

the Charlie Poole is AWESOME so far with 2.5 more discs to go

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Saturday, 5 March 2005 17:39 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost Thanks,Chuck, I'll take a bite soon's it arrives. Your modified description still doesn't sound too bad.

don, Saturday, 5 March 2005 17:39 (nineteen years ago) link

the newish lee ann womack, did a first listen and is there an overarching narrative--is it a story album ?

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 6 March 2005 03:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Mebbe "Moms have sex too. It kinda goes with the job." Heard on "Kate and Allie," ca. a long time ago, but mainstream country's always learning something!

don, Sunday, 6 March 2005 04:29 (nineteen years ago) link

big kenny opinion # 3: add in lots and lots of queen/freddie mercury, maybe a little everclear and alanis (all noted by my eldest kid in the car today.) first 3 songs quite likeable; after that (so far) harder to take. at least two ballads seem to maybe be about jesus w/o stating his name.

chuck, Sunday, 6 March 2005 05:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I browsed a few of the tracks on the Big Kenny album at the iTunes store, and my immediate free association is that Scott Weiland solo album from a few years back, probably because of the poppy trippiness. I downloaded "Candy Colored Glasses" (which probably should have a hyphen in it...) for further investigation.

John Fredland (jfredland), Sunday, 6 March 2005 07:09 (nineteen years ago) link

i adore the scott weiland solo album
(im not talking a theme, im wondering if its the lonely housewives version of red headed stranger--there is one song that will be classic)

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 6 March 2005 07:14 (nineteen years ago) link

bk pt 4: yeah, the weiland comparison probably makes sense, though i don't think i ever heard his solo joint. i can definitely hear the uh quasi-trippier late-beatley side of stone temple on this bk cd (also maybe "black hole sun" come to think of it), though i wish there was more of the (much better and more energetic) glammier side of stp. "trip" though is more everclear (about going to cali as in "santa monica") and probably one of the *less trippy (and better) cuts. (the non-country stuff seems preferable to the slightly country tracks in general though, i guess.) all in all though i think i prefer little kenny's *be as you are,* which i finally bought for $6 yesterday from my used record store guy in philly: not nearly as good as his previous album, possibly though as good as the ones he did before that; the caribbean riddims seem (even) liter than ones he's done before (like in his unca cracker song, or his now i know how jimmy buffet feels ones), though somtimes there's truly jaunty percussion stuff at *beginnings of songs, b4 he starts singing. all in all probably too mellow to be a great chesney album, and nothing half as pretty as "anyone but me" (though probably stuff as pretty as "there goes my life", inexiplicably considered his best song by at least a few misguided ILMers.) basically the album just sounds "*sad* to me, though not a bad way. all the characters seem sad; maybe that's what i mean. "boston" (featuring somebody with short dredlocks under a red sox cap) is sadly no match for dave loggins's "please come to boston," which i wish this album sounded more like (same *genre,* though, pretty obviously). but the chorus of "island boy" can definitely be heard as "i love boys" if you want to hear it that way.

chuck, Sunday, 6 March 2005 17:46 (nineteen years ago) link

i got desperate rather then said, and i think i overplayed its worth on stylus (though i didnt like the boston song). chuck, am i wrong about key lime pie--is there a cute novelty there that i ignored as silly?

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 6 March 2005 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link

hey anthony, didn't read the stylus review; didn't you say somewhere else though that key lime pie might be a cunnilingus ode? either way, it definitely is ("she loves to watch me while i eat her.......(notable pause)....key lime pie," pretty blatant), which just makes me like it more; probably the best c&w muffdive tune since ("when i go down in...") "memory town" off the last brooks and dunn album, and so far, my favorite song on the new kenny give or take "boston" and maybe the fairly jazzy (or at least "jazz") "magic"; i.e., maybe the three most rhythmic things on there. i dunno, i also vaguely remember you (or somebody) being creeped out by key lime's apparent subject matter? i don't get that at all; reminds me of people also being creeped out by terri clark and/or liz phair singing stuff about having sex when they're, gosh, over 30, can you believe it? though maybe i'm missing something. key lime pie seems pretty cute to me -- yummy yummy he's got love in his tummy. jesus and mary chain would approve. and oh yeah, he sings about mangos in a couple songs but unlike m.i.a. never says whether he salts and peppers his. and in "boston" there's a line about the new england girl working a jamaica bar where fairies come ashore, ha! (and oh yeah, i meant "anything but me" not "anyone but me" above obviously.)

chuck, Monday, 7 March 2005 00:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Comparisons with Weiland's 12- or Twelve-Bar Blues (on top of Freddie Mecury, Everclear and Alanis): oh now I *am* ready! Check out der Weiland, Chuck; I'm sure it's in a bargain bin somewhere on the Philly side, at least. Don't pay more than five bucks, but Weiland x D.LaNoise: a true meeting of thee mynds, more (different) than the latter's work with Dylan, Willie, Neville Brothers,or maybe even Emmylou. Cos all those were supposed to be *tastefully* trippy. Weiland saved that aspect for his attire, and let the brain-children play.

don, Monday, 7 March 2005 04:42 (nineteen years ago) link

not creepy in the sense of over 30 but creepy in the sense of trying to hard to be dirty, trying to hard to prove he can be as sexually explict as the next guy, fratboy date rape roofie kind of creepy...at least thats the vibe i get off it (or did, i might be in the middle of changing my mind)

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 7 March 2005 06:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow, I don't get that at all - -he just sounds like a fellow fond of eating pussy, which given those island rhythms is both a rarity and welcome. (Actually, I don't know much about cunnilingus reggae in general; I'm only aware of dancehall's stance on the issue, which from what I've seen seems overwhelmingly anti-.) (Actually, I misquoted the line above, though: It goes "not to tart and not to sweet/baby loves to watch me eat her.." etc. He puts the lime in the coconut, eats her all up, calls her in the morning.) Anyway, the line on his album that *does* give me the willies, for some reason, is the one (again, in my favorite track "Boston") about the girl hiding her "baby dreads." I've never heard that phrase before, and I'm not really sure why it makes me squeamish - maybe, if she has to hide them, it suggests she has an unfortunate scalp condition? (Seriously, though, why *does* she have to hide her dreads? She's in Jamaica! Maybe they're just not long enough?) (Also kinda creepy: the title of Shooter Jennings's album. What is "putting the o back in country" supposed to mean? So country doesn't have the word "cunt" in it anymore? What the hell??) Back to Little Kenny, what's obvious to me is that *Be As You Are* is supposed to be some kind of *Spoon River Anthology*/*The River*-type concept, chronicling the little lives of lots of interesting people around his shore community, right? Not a bad idea. Problem is, almost all of it is (lyrically and melodically) so generic/generalized (and polite/reserved-sounding) that, unlike say Springsteen (or Buck 65 on his similar talking honky blues record from a couple years back) you never get much sense of the lives of many people who live there. Next to "Boston", "Key Lime Pie" (which at least *isn't* timid and polite and white-bread enough to pass for a boring Alan Jackson number) and "Magic* (I meant to type "jazzy" above where I typed "jazz", but I think I just meant that I am happy that Nashville -- on Big & Rich's album last year too, maybe also Toby Keith once? -- is now open to a Hoagy Carmichael influence), my next favorite tracks are probably "Island Boy" and "Sherry Living in Paradise" (docked a notch for not being Elvis Costello's living-in-paradise song.) It's a good album; I just wish it had less laid-back stuff (even though you could *maybe* justify its laid-backness as a means of reaching out to the island boy's "dope-smoking friends.")

As for Big Kenny, I could only get through a couple tracks (again) on this morning's drive back to New York from Bucks County. Part of my problem is that nonstop fucking drum machine, which is completely immobile; why the heck didn't he hire a drummer? (Big & Rich work with great ones.) Or better yet, maybe hire somebody who could give the drum machine some funk? (Who does he think he is, the Postal Service?? Har har.) As for the "Trip" song, it turns out to be about *not* going to California (or Colorado, or Kansas), and it is the only track that references Wizard of Oz (more blatantly than anything on *Horse of a Different Color,* actually.) And as everyone knows, Oz never did give nothing to the Tinman that he didn't already have.

chuck, Monday, 7 March 2005 14:56 (nineteen years ago) link

(Not TOO tart and not TOO sweet, duh)

(A cool drink of water, such a sweet surprise.)

chuck, Monday, 7 March 2005 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Cool cool water is such a gas (since the Beach Boys were invoked).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 March 2005 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

ps) by the way, I'd probably give both Joe Dee Messina's "My Give a Damn's Broken" and Toby's "Honky Tonk U" a 7 or 7.5 on a scale of 10; I like them both fine, but neither ranks with the best thing either artist has done, as far as I can tell.

chuck, Monday, 7 March 2005 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link

see, about the cunt in country song--roseanne cash had a live show in london ca 1975, where she was sort of drunk, and did thiw mothermaybelle/janis call to the mother goddess fuck yuou cowpunk thing and it stared w. that line--and it made sense, and it was polical, about angry women, and not being wives, being sexual and being agressive--a 30 yr old joke regendered makes me think shooter is an asshole.

(hank iii does a live version called i put the cunt in country and the dick in dixie whic actually manages to hit the same buttons--so maybe its something else that is annoying me (facial hair and blackberry might be it)

i think that the kenny album is more universal then personal, not spoon river at all, but really really mellow--and i like that, though boston is not a song i like, and i would include the first track and soul of s a sailor as the best ones (though i invoked shania and faith hill instead of alan jackson--wbo is capbale of both great metaphors and a brilliant voice--his latest monday morning church)

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, yeah, I like "monday morning church" okay; have liked a handful of alan songs in the past, too (the 9-11 one, the daddy let me drive one, the chatahoochie one, etc.), but mainly the guy's even more of a respectfully personality-free goody-two-shoes snoozecase than randy travis or george strait. He no doubt deserves a good 10-song best-of album; but he's a "superstar", cough cough, which means I doubt he'll ever get one. (I guess that's what CD burners are for, right? One of these years I'll buy one and learn how to use it, I suppose.)

chuck, Monday, 7 March 2005 17:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Have *never* understood people who call Alan (or even Randy or George) great singers, though; lots of people do, so I'm probably missing something, I'm sure. To me they just sound tasteful, totally reined in. And more or less average, when you get down to it.

chuck, Monday, 7 March 2005 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

by george you mean george strait right?

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Well hold on Chuck, I'm going to geek here but didn't you say in your Bryan Adams review in Stairway that there's a place for the Eddie Cochran/Adams types in music as functional grist for the mill? Because it sounds like the Strait/Jackson/Travis coterie functions at that level, if not necessarily for your own tastes?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:46 (nineteen years ago) link

sure, ned, i have nothing against hacks, obviously! but that also obviously doesn't mean some hacks aren't better than others. anyway i'm not saying george or randy or alan are useless; in fact, i said just the opposite. they have all made good records, just like bryan adams (who has more good records, and better ones. the best of which might be about oral sex, oddly enough!) i'm just saying they're not great artists-- or, if you want me to state it in a more quasi-objective way, that their great artistry, if it exists, eludes me.

chuck, Monday, 7 March 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Heh, no, that's fair. (And to heck with quasi-objective stances, they're never fun! Yay subjectivity!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 March 2005 18:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha ha, I just listened to a 4-song sampler EP of Japanese girl punk bands that opens with one called Petty Booka covering - get this - "Don't Rock the Jukebox" by Alan Jackson!?! He should just quit now!

chuck, Monday, 7 March 2005 22:23 (nineteen years ago) link

"Monday Morning Church" and Strait's Fifty Number Ones made my Country Top Ten this year. I used to think of George as no better and no worse than his material (he can never rise above, so he'll never be in my Pantheon). But he's the one who picks it, supervises everything on his albums, not the earliest stuff, but for a long, long time now (for most of these, dig it, Fifty Number Ones!, and he's got several thematic approaches, and some of hi recent goodies incl. good (non-wax-museum) retro/classic honky tonk,*and* sucessfull, appropriate use of synthesizers as well, (not on the honky tonk, and I'm just going by what's on this anth). I gave lumps and props to Alan in Voice review of the Top trib, where he did kinda rise above (his usual, not the song, which required his rising *to* it) And said, in my tweaked Country 04 comments at thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com, that, with "Monday Morning Church," finally, he earns his humility." Randy I've never kept up with very well (but somebody on ILM was wondering about his current lack of gen. recognition of his recent work: isn't he on Word, or one of those older Christian labels? Doubt they bother with sending promos to Voice, etc.)

don, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 05:46 (nineteen years ago) link

The two George Straight songs I DO love, by the way are "Amarillo By Morning" and "This is Where the Cowboy Rides Away," both worthy of, I dunno, Glen Campbell or somebody. Does he have any other songs that good? (And does "Does Forth Worth Ever Cross Your Mind?" ever cross his mind, since as far as I can tell that was the best album he ever made? Even though John Anderson {to pick a random example} has probably made at least five or six albums that good or better.) And oh yeah, I like that George dabbles in Western Swing (I like that *anybody* dabbles in Western Swing), but he never really makes it swing much, does he? If I'm wrong, where do I look to learn otherwise?

chuck, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 18:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Try the Fifty Number Ones, it's a good variety. Also the only one I've heard, but judging by reviews (and the tracks from it on this collection), Honkytonkville seems like a good bet. I don't know which one has the most Western Swing (check AMG, if you can stand to--they've really been very user-friendly for the past few months, honest)But like I said, keep in mind it's always gonna be about the whole track, including the voice but never spotlighting the voice--like Madonna, he knows better than that. Which is kinda good, in that (on this comp, at least)he's too smart, too self-aware, to wander off into the sea of song, like Willie, Elvis, or Sinatra, who sometimes rely too much on their distinctive vocal gifts. Nevertheless, also like Madonna (and their aforementioned vocal betters), he does cultivate persona, and rapport (chill in the headphones)

don, Tuesday, 8 March 2005 22:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Also somewhut on the Strait tip, but with a tad more vocal suavity/star-presence,judging from my ltd. exposue to both singers (plus reputed live "Aerosmith in a cowboy hat," when that was a new aproach for country): excerpts from 5/10 news
Country Singer Chris LeDoux, 56, Dies
by Robert W. Black, Associated Press
Chris LeDoux, a former world champion bareback rider who parlayed songs about the rodeo life into a sucessful country music career, died Wednesday from complications of liver cancer...he had undergone a liver transplant in 2000 after a lengthy illness...LeDoux described his music as a combination of "Western soul, sagebrush blues, cowboy folk and rodeo rock 'n' roll." By 1989, he had released 22 albums. They were mostly cassettes produced by his parents, which he sold at concerts and rodeos, sometimes out of the back of a pickup truck...but all that changed (in '89) when rising star Garth Brooks had a hit with "Much Too Young (To Feel This Damn Old)," which included the line: "A worn-out tape of Chris LeDoux, lonely women and bad booze/seem to be the only friends I've left at all."...LeDoux soon became a country star himself, teaming up with Brooks for the Grammy-nominated, top 10 hit, "Whatcha Gonna Do With A Cowboy,"in 1992. Brooks has long cited LeDoux as one of his biggest influences...in 2003,(LeDoux) released his 36th album, Horsepower, and celebrated career sales of more than 5 million albums.

don, Thursday, 10 March 2005 17:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha ha, I just listened to a 4-song sampler EP of Japanese girl punk bands that opens with one called Petty Booka covering - get this - "Don't Rock the Jukebox" by Alan Jackson!?!

petty booka have been around forever doing things of this nature, though i don't think they're really punk, they're more of a lounge/exotica thing. they can be excruciatingly boring, but their version of "summer breeze" was rather brilliant. they're playing at sin-e in new york on march 21.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 11 March 2005 01:54 (nineteen years ago) link

just listened to big kenny's live a little for the first time, not sure if it's gonna be a keeper or not, but i was amused by the jon brion-esque power-pop production on track 1, and i was amazed to discover that big appears to have the voice that i thought was rich's, which i guess means rich has the voice that i thought was big's. strange how we make these assumptions just from looking at pictures of groups.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 11 March 2005 02:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow, this new Trish Murphy album called *Girls Get in Free* is what Kathleen Edwards (or Lucinda, or Tift Merritt, or Shelby, or lots of other people) *should* sound like. So...who the hell is Trish Murphy??

xhuck, Friday, 11 March 2005 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, I guess she kinda reminds me of Carlene Carter when Carlene Carter was new-wave-abilly, come to think of it. (And as a bonus, that sure is one cute pleated skirt she's wearing on the back cover.)

xhuxk, Friday, 11 March 2005 15:39 (nineteen years ago) link

on the other hand, the snoozeworthy new album by trish's labelmate with the rhyming first name, tish hinojosa, has basically no *music* in its music, and especially almost no tex-mex, which is a shame, as is every other album i have ever tried to listen to by tish hinojosa, who i have always wanted to like for some reason but to no avail.

xhuxk, Friday, 11 March 2005 16:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I like about 90% of the Tish Hinojosa music I've heard so far, including a number of tracks (from quite a few albums)that are or were posted on her site. DREAM OF LIFE seems like a good place to start: good stylistic variety, and continuty of early-fortysomething-babe-takes-stock (gift to her ex-hubby, or whomever, is a very warm and happy sounding "I have no answers for you.") Another number shows what might happen if Bono were to take that job with the World Bank, and U2 needed a replacement. But yeah, she does Western Swing, etc., too (CULTURE SWING is pretty good too. She wrote "San Antonio Rosie," afunny answer song to "San Antonio Rose"). I haven't heard anything new by her in several years. Back on our tabloid tip: seems to have been laying low since getting busted on the border with a carload of rupies. Testimony: "I thought they were ecstacy." Also beguiled a muso half her age into participating, or mebbe vice versa. (Flipping channels the other day: girl was seducing guy on "Days Of Our Live," dancing with him, having drugged his drink; an excitable boy was singing,"Two more shots of likker gone, Ah strapped mah courage awwn"--anybody recognize that??)

don, Friday, 11 March 2005 18:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Got the Big Kenny solo Chuck sent, and, seeing how his take on it changed, I've listened to it several times before expressing. So far, I like most of it: "Candy Colored Glasses," "Under The Sun,"(wearing his Calexico or Fastball shades? Melodramatic, but well-timed) "Thinkin' Too Much"(good ues of the female voice; a couple of the kinda-sorta tracks, like 7. and 8., might work with full-blown B&R vocal production, althoug R does provide some background vocal on this album); also, "Think About It,"Last To Know,"(chorus like Sir Doug trying to crossover from tex-mex to Top 40, behind "Dum-dum-dum-dum-doo-wah-diddy, talkin bout the boy from New York City," by whovever did it); Outta Site (back to the tophat psych-pop of "Candy Colored Glasses"), and "Rumba." I could see B&R reworking any of these, and they already seem not shy about reworking prev. released, ifSuper Galactic Fan Pack is any evidence, and it is. The other five tracks I don't like seem like knock-offs, rehashpipes of the good seven. A certain limit on the idea-pool, or perhaps the writing chops. So can see he does need Rich (does John have a solo also being dredged up? I'll have to do a background check anyway). But the most consistent negatory on B&R is that they also are a bit too of a sameness (One of my friends who likes 'em nevertheless opines that they "could use another string on their ukelele") But as with B&R, the Big Kenny tracks I like I love. Cathartic meditation from the Purple State (yet never once reminding me of Meatloaf)

don, Saturday, 12 March 2005 06:04 (nineteen years ago) link

could i get a burn of that album, its not in the stores out here yet.

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 12 March 2005 09:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry, I don't have a burner. Could tape it for you.

don, Saturday, 12 March 2005 17:10 (nineteen years ago) link

two notes:

1. actually, trish murphy has a lot of sheryl crow in her, i just realized (though it is pretty obvious). probably more sheryl crow than carlene carter. not sure to what extent that will affect my evolving opinion about her; i frequently don't hold shery-crowness against lady country singers (at least not as much as some other people seem to.)

2. the jazzy song toward the end of chesney's album says he reads lots of hemingway; i''d meant to mention that before. this does not feel like a hemingway-reading album to me, though.

3. i enjoy the video where deanna carter dresses up like kurt cobain.

chuck, Saturday, 12 March 2005 17:15 (nineteen years ago) link

oops, i obviously can't count (notes, at least)

chuck, Saturday, 12 March 2005 17:16 (nineteen years ago) link

also, am i allowed to count the Warsaw Village Band (on World Village Records) as country? instrumentation includes cello, dulcimer, "plock fidel," violins, hurdy gurdy, xylophone, etc; song titles include "in the forest" and "woman in hell" and "when johnny went to fight the war" and "i slayed the rye" and "polka from the sieradz region." first song samples grandmaster flash's "good times" scratching from "adventures...on the wheels of steel," sounds like. anyway, i like them. so i await decisions from the country-or-not jury.

chuck, Saturday, 12 March 2005 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link

as of today, deana carter is in my top ten of the year in a big way. i like that billy don burns album, chuck. i haven't played the whole thing yet though. i like "i was there" and "dark side of the spoon" a bunch.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 12 March 2005 17:47 (nineteen years ago) link

if nobody minds, i'm gonna re-post what i wrote about that deanna carter album on that other thread i started (i don't think anyone had heard it when i started that one):


I do hear the Beatles on some songs. and the bacharach i hear in the non-obvious minor-key melodies. most of the songs don't just go for the jugular, they move around in tricky ways. I love that in pop music. some of it reminds me of Iris Dement's My Life. But My Life really was more of an art-project and much less poppy. I seem to recall Iris getting a little poppier on her album after that, but I didn't think that it worked as well. At least for me. The duet with Delbert was nice though. (I don't own a copy anymore.) I don't know much about Deana's other albums so I don't know if she has always mixed these elements of folk, pop, and country together. What I love about this album is how deep it is. quality-wise, that is. and, what the hell, lyrically too at times. The last 4 songs might be the strongest on the album! Which fits in with the whole conept-album design. She is stronger and wiser by the end of it. The first song is the obvious single. It's catchy top-40 stuff. And the hook: "I wanna be the girl you left me for" is so simple and perfect I can't believe that 400 people haven't come up with it before. Maybe they have. "One Day At A Time" is the most country-radio/CMT ready of the bunch. Plus, it has all those pop-cult pairings that stick in yer head: Singing along to "Jack & Diane", Thelma & Louise,Elvis & Kurt Cobain, Jesus & John Wayne(!). The acoustic guitar in it sounds a lot more alt or contempo folk then country acoustic usually sounds to me though. "Ordinary" has Shania-like rhythms and vocal lines, but Shania would never admit the following: "Oh wouldn't it be scary just being ordinary" because Shania is usually way too busy trying to convince people that she is an actual human being. It has that nice Beatlesesque ending to it too, but nothing that Mutt wouldn't try someday. Nice all the same though. The miracle of a song like "In A Heartbeat" is that it sounds like a song that was built to be oversold. The chorus, the arrangement, the whole thing should be a goopy string-laden bid for hitdom, but it's not! She undersells the vocals and makes it so much more effective by doing so. This is what a good interpreter does of course. They serve the song. But it's rare to see someone not go for the easy knockout punch these days.(in pop and country or country-pop). It makes me like her even more. "She's Good For You" sounds like one of the best Sheryl Crow songs I've ever heard. "Not Another Love Song" is definitely Webb-worthy! I'd like to know if Deana wrote it. I think I threw away any press stuff that came with the cd and the cd I got doesn't have any info. It's so simple and strong. The album is the story of her life, does she write all her own stuff like Iris? "Sunny Day" (and it's funny cuz I'm listening to a Free album right now and as I typed that song title I realized that they were also singing a song called "Sunny Day".) has a great Fleetwood mac/FM radio Cali vibe to it. Love that guitar too. I love the production, her voice, these songs. Just a joy to listen to. It's kinda nice to hear something that just hits you immediately in the pleasure center of your brain. I'll keep my eye out for her other stuff.

-- scott seward (skotro...), February 3rd, 2005. (scott seward)

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 12 March 2005 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, so KC does mention Hemingway? What was that in my (re-tweaked)Country 04 comments about "does this mean he's read more of Hemingway than The Old Man And The Sea", or something like that? Guess I'll have to check 'em at: http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com Trish and Deana read enticing in y'all's words, I'll have to checkum out (just got the Deana, Chuck, thanks). Ditto the Billy Don Burns, to which I just listened. Good sound quality and players (the fiddle gets stronger and stronger; wonder if Mellen will steal her). Nice voice, husy but clear, a touch of Coe and (whineless!)Prine. Seems neo-New Traditionalist, but some will like having his voice, rather than Earle's, Yoakam's or Crowells, over the Texan-of-Appalachian-descent-and-and-sidemen x some easy-rockin' beats. But so far, especialy when he's got guest shots of Tanya, Hank Cochran and Willie, and covers "GIve My LOve To Rose," I'm starting to wonder why not just isten to the ones he's singing (and writing) of and for and to and with? Yet it's very listenable, and the jury's still out (though not far out). Hope he gets a hit from this, anyway; he deserves that much.

don, Saturday, 12 March 2005 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't like Sheryl Crow, but I do like Deana Carter. Chuck that Warsaw Village Band record is great but I never thought it would pass muster with you; I don't think it's country (and you know how wide I cast-a-net on that score), but it's very good!

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Saturday, 12 March 2005 20:24 (nineteen years ago) link

i tottally noticed that, and if you read the essay, its mostly about old man and the sea--which seems a perverse misreading.

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 12 March 2005 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link

his essay on the linear notes

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 12 March 2005 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link

"Hey Edd (and everyone), does Deana Carter singing "Thanks to Elvis and Kurt Cobain / The world will never be the same" grate on your ears the way it does on mine?"

Yeah, it grates--I guess, though, that she's working hard on referencing, period, on this record...getting up to speed. Catchin' up...getting drunk with a Monet over her head. Not Manet or Jeff Koons.

Deana did write "Not Another Love Song." I've listened to this a lot--it's such a great '70s singer-songwriter kind of move. "Ordinary"'s coda is truly Lennonesque, too. I really like the way they use piano on this record, especially on "She's Good for You." Which I think is the best song on the album myself. I like the way she's written songs with real bridges, real modulation, and also the way she uses strings sparingly. It's never overdone at all--the only thing I find less-than-perfect is the drum feel on some tunes, maybe. This record illustrates my theory that Nashville-identified-artists can do that whole thing that power pop or whatever you call it does, and better, they've absorbed that harmonic language at some strange level. Anyway, "The Story of My Life" is a pop record by a woman with an accent, just like the incredible song on "Blake Shelton's Barn & Grill," "What's on My Mind," which I keep playing--quite an amazing track.

I'm still really into the Reckless Kelly record, "Wicked Twisted Road." I guess it's because they're a real band--they've mastered form, every song does something different within a hard-assed but not unsympathetic worldview. I mean how many "country" records have two songs over five minutes that are the best things on the record? So many albums about "the road" are one-dimensional, but this one really goes through a lot of shifts in tone. "Nobody Haunts Me Like You" is quite amazing, too. I think it's kinda brilliant, actually, that whole record.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 12 March 2005 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

"Anyway, "The Story of My Life" is a pop record by a woman with an accent"

i agree. it's southern pop. or country-pop if you want. but not really pop-country. okay, it's pop by a woman with an accent.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 12 March 2005 23:04 (nineteen years ago) link

>Chuck that Warsaw Village Band record is great but I never thought it would pass muster with you;<

really? why not?? it's totally catchy, totally pretty, totally rhythmic, totally weird, totally engergetic, and i've always been a fan of non-slow polkas and fiddle reels. seems more or less custom made for me; what about it did you think i wouldn't like? ( i guess there are some draggy folkloric parts, but they seem to be few and far between -- often just self-proclaimed "roots" interludes lasting a few seconds each.) (best track: #2, followed perhaps by # 3, 5, 8, 9, 10, and 14, though not necessarily in that order, and i'm probably leaving some other gooduns out.)

yikes, my third favorite song (more or less) on that trish murphy album appears to be written by lyle lovett! (maybe even a cover.) but i think she wrote most of the other ones, including "the trouble with trouble" (probably the best track) and the thelma and louise one (which may or may not be as good as deanna carter's thelma and louise one) (p.s.: in my book, pop with a {southern} accent *is* country. or at least if it's sung by someone who has had country hits and who CMT still plays videos by it is.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 13 March 2005 00:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Anthony, I had no idea, when I cracked wise corn, that KC *actually* was hung up on The Old Man And The Sea (butt he misread and/or misprised it? Prob just got out his old Cliff's Notes from high school?)I've never heard a whole album of his, just a ton 'o'singes on radio & CMT. Re power pop mastery in Nashville: yeah, they've taken it back, haven't they? Like when I first heard the Everlys' Cadence Classics, *after* hearing the Beatles and Byrds, oho. (Like reading Tropic Of Cancer after reading the better Beat Gen stuff, you see who's your mad daddy after all). And then on the Everlys Walk Right Back, they do kinda take it back, they cope, creatively if not commecially (Anybody remember that 70s, or maybe early 80s? Everlys album with input from McCartney etc.? I never heard the whole thing, h'mm...) Warsaws vocals kinda folk (scary sometimes, like they're Anisette's ancestors burned at the stake, in Savage Rose's "Long Before I Was Born.") But overall effect, thanks to instrumentals (could live without the "dance mixes") is kind of country in a Mollys vein (like pre-Mollys, who are smart enough not to stick around for the actual stake, but are conjuring up passage to the American West, steerage-class, anyway)

don, Sunday, 13 March 2005 01:19 (nineteen years ago) link

1) Deana did a "making of the album" diary-doc for CMT, but also turned into a making of the problem-pregnacy baby" doc, alas. But could see she was keeping a steady hand on the production (no auto-suck excess, as y'all indicate, so I'm cautiously looking fwd to the promo, which I haven't quite got to yet[thanks Chuck]Cautious cos I coudn't even watch one of her earlier gigs on "Austin City Limits," it was so icky).2) I strongly suspect that "Bathtub" Shooter Jennings titled his holy debut Putting The O Back In Country, not only because he's an onanist, but he's also busting what Basement 5 diagnosed as ThatcherxQueenwhipped UK's "female rule." See, cos wimmin are the biggest buyers of country, so they big up the dude ranch Hats, instead of going for manly li'l greasemonkeys like Shooter, despite his noble Outlaw heritage!

don, Sunday, 13 March 2005 01:47 (nineteen years ago) link

chuck, don says better what I was trying to say--it's country just like those great Everly Bros. records from the '60s are "country." "Leave My Girl Alone," "It Only Costs a Dime," etc. Buck Owens in the '60s was Beatle-esque. I remember this totally obscure guy, Bill Lyerly, who did a great single for, I think, RCA in the '80s, "My Baby's Coming Home Again Today," that was a real rip on "Ticket to Ride" or something. I'm just saying that the pop/powerpop thing has become part of the vocabulary of country music. That Deana Carter record is definitely country-themed, too. I mean, that's part of what Nashville-as-music-center is about, too, because there are all these adepts of post-Beatles/Big Star pop in town, like Bill Lloyd (whose "The Sure Thing" with Radney Foster was a real Marshall Crenshaw rip, too)...so it's seeped into country music, which I think is fine myself.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 13 March 2005 01:53 (nineteen years ago) link

okay everyone, T/S: deana vs. lee ann

old me votes deana, "cause she's a rebel maaaaan, indie alt.country steeped in power-pop, first song sounds like Avril, yeah!"
new me votes lee ann, "intentional throwback attempts always suck except this one, harder to pull a pierre menard out of a hat"

WHICH ME WILL WIN

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 13 March 2005 01:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, and re comment upthread by Chuck, about Hoagy Carmichael and country, I think the late-'80s hit by Randy Travis, "Honky Tonk Moon," is pretty Hoagy-like (I know the guy who wrote it, actually, not sure if he ever got another cut on anyone else after, but it's a good song).

I dunno, I got to listen more to Lee Ann, it hasn't grabbed me so much yet.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 13 March 2005 02:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I've only gotten lee ann today, so more listens are indicated, yes

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 13 March 2005 02:02 (nineteen years ago) link

i like the lee ann. it is more straightup country and that's fine. the songs are nice. but i think deanna's album has better songs and it hit me a lot harder.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 13 March 2005 02:18 (nineteen years ago) link

i like lee ann's cover better. and i like that it came to me as a vinyl record. that got my attention. deana's promo cd had a picture of her as a little kid on the cover and i liked that better than the actual cover of her looking kinda stevie nicksish or something. i wonder if THAT was her idea. (cuz in the promo stuff a big deal is made about "freedom" from labels. both record and genre.)

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 13 March 2005 02:24 (nineteen years ago) link

if we're gonna rate albums based on covers, deana carter's is up there with the worst of all time. based on the cover and the inside pix, she needs a stylist, stat. as for the disc that comes with the cover, just got it and listening to it for the first time now.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Sunday, 13 March 2005 02:34 (nineteen years ago) link

cover pix in general: fairly often, seems like the best are not on the front, but back cover or in booklet--?

don, Sunday, 13 March 2005 03:00 (nineteen years ago) link

lyle lovett actually really bores me--i cannot get past the laconic, im just a cowboy bullshit. (and i dont think he is a v. good songwrite at all)

re:Chesney, he has annoted (sp) all of the tracks on this album, via video on the website--i dont have speakers on this machine, anyone want to see them ? (does the word lover jar anyone else on old blue chair ?)

the lee ane womack is jeannie c riley w/o any of the twang, but she has some absoutely heartbreaking deliveries.

did anyone hear crystal gale at the opry today--shes promoting a cd of hoagy carmachel songs (wtf?) and her voice is trashed, completely.

and speaking of gale--the long black train dude, whats his name ? anyways his new single is the worst of martina mcbride treacle but with more silly jingoism.

has anyone else avoided laughing at her new single--is so over the top, it becomes camp.

i want to hear the fiddle/polka album--i adore trad polka

i am working on a theory that a bunch of these country guys have been listening to frampton and journey--at least lyrically---i am not sure of the impliactions of this.

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 13 March 2005 09:29 (nineteen years ago) link

deana > lee ann (for the new album and for their careers both, though it is a close call. even closer call, maybe: lee ann vs. leAnn, whose new album i seem to like more than most people do, though not nearly as much as her preceding semi-disco DOR album, which is the best thing she ever did, though lots of people seemed to like it even less than the new one -- I (and this should probably go without saying but anyway) just don't buy the return-to-roots party line too often; i liked lee ann's previous album -- generally considered a pop-shlock sellout, right? -- more than lots of people seemed to as well. anyway, best songs on the new rimes seem to be: "something's gotta give," "i got it bad," "some people," *then* maybe the big hit single.) (and by the way, though deana's new album has some great stuff on it, especially the opening cut which frank kogan will be waxing verbosely on in the Voice as soon as there's room for him to do so, her '03 *I'm Just a Girl* is by far her best album. Her debut *Did I Shave My Legs For This* -- whch i still own in its original hologrammed CD cover by the way -- had at least two great tracks in the title cut and the strawberry wine one; I remember noting about her second album -- she only has four, right? Unless I lost count.) (Tammy Faye Starlite's "Did I Shave My Vagina For This" was ok, too, but I don't own a copy anymore.)

Lyle Lovett is indeed one of the biggest dullards of our time (or at least his), which is why I was so surprised to see his writing credit on a song I liked on the Trish Murphy album. So *maybe* he's (slightly) better than I'd figured.

xhuxk, Sunday, 13 March 2005 14:55 (nineteen years ago) link

and ps) garth brooks was a journey fan, right? plus lorrie morgan covered "faithfully" in the '80s (her best track ever, maybe)

xhuxk, Sunday, 13 March 2005 14:56 (nineteen years ago) link

> I remember noting about her second album<

I meant NOTHING by this

xhuxk, Sunday, 13 March 2005 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link

pss) Crystal Gayle's "Midnight in the Desert", theme song to the AM radio Art Bell Ufology-and-stuff radio show I listen to while driving back from Bucks County to NY every other Monday morning between 4 and 5, made my top ten singles list last year. Her voice sounded great in it as far as I'm concerned. Though apparently she recorded it a couple years ago, and though I know basically nothing else about her music give or take "Don't It Make My Brown Eyes Blue."

xhuxk, Sunday, 13 March 2005 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

i had a chance to buy the first deeana carter for five bucks a couple of weeks ago--and didnt, instead i bought a newish tim mcgraw, which was a mistake (although his cover of tiny dancer is excellent, and it had red rag top--when hes on, hes on)

I really thot the Vagina song was much much better then Cletus Judd--can we let Starlite take the nashville jester postion away from him ?

There are a few Crystal Gale songs that are just fucking amazing, among the best country ever recordings ever, and it is entirely due to her voice (which in many ways was more techincally astute then lorettas--i mean lorretta had a million things to make up for it, attitude, fire, wit, grace, etc etc but her sister sang better i think.)

I was going to write up the womack for stylus, but everytime i write about country for them, i tend to get abused...though i keep thinking its really good, so i might break down...i havent heard the new deana--i dont get cds sent to me, and im tending towards broke...(which means i take charity burns and tapes)

I really really love stawberry wine--i was reminded of that having breakfast in a painfully hip cafe at qsw, and having one of the guys play it to torture another barista, and it made me homesick, sort of the nausea you get after being punched in the stomach, it was all her voice, and the lonliness.

countrys so good at faking the authentic, that i dont think the audiene sometimes knows when its being led on--but then i think pop is the pposte for similar results.

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 13 March 2005 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link

countrys so good at faking the authentic, that i dont think the audiene sometimes knows when its being led on--but then i think pop is the pposte for similar results.

ANTHONY EASTON IS ON THE MONEY AGAIN, WHEN WILL IT EVER CEASE

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 13 March 2005 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Opposite for similar results? You mean, whiile country is so good at faking the authentic, pop is good at authenticating the fake? And either way, the audience sometimes doesn't know it's being led on? I guess I wanna be led on, if it can be done with something more enticing than sheer clumsy *effort* getting its elbows in me. So, songs like "One Day At A Time" and "Kate" work the angles too awkwardly. but "The Girl You Left Me For" and "In A Heartbeat" and tracks 6.-11. on the new Deana are indeed nnnniiiice. Hard to pull off that kind of seemingly undersung vocal, as xpostnoted. And def. some refreshingly different arrangements. Nonstandard musos too. Lead guitarist Jeff Carter, for inst: her brother, maybe? Her father Fred played with Willie, Dylan, etc., so hopefully there's more where that came from(even more, besides Deana's own chops, evident here). Her site and def. Vanguard's aren't much help re stuff like this. I'll have to check out her previous albums, although the bio indicates the first one was where she had the most non-interference from lables, prev. to this one, that is. (Doesn't usually work like that...anyway,my fave of the first album's singles is "And We Danced Anyway," though they didn't understand a word the band was singing, is a good twist on my post-Tom Jones/Mary Hopkin category of International Country, which it also fits musically, and a reassuring line for the more fearfully provincial, such as da suits, in Country)

don, Sunday, 13 March 2005 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link

AlsBy "nnniiice" I don't just mean that Deana's fetching, but she's affecting, too, when she's not trying too hard. It's like when Janis Joplin was asked, what are the youth of today looking for, she say,"Sincerity, and a good time."

don, Sunday, 13 March 2005 16:34 (nineteen years ago) link

>countrys so good at faking the authentic, that i dont think the audiene sometimes knows when its being led on--but then i think pop is the pposte for similar results.<


yeah, i don't get this either -- what music *doesn't* fake authenticity, and what music has an audience that *does* know when fake is happening? seems to me you could say the same about r&b, hip-hop, metal, country, teenpop, just about anything!

xhuxk, Sunday, 13 March 2005 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link

btw, lee ann womack's best song ever = "i'll think of a reason later" (still), i think

xhuxk, Sunday, 13 March 2005 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

and actually i meant to write you could say indie-rock excells in faking authenticity, too, and *its* audience also has no idea when it's' being led on. (though maybe you mean the difference in country is that at least the *artists* know they're faking? hmmm..)

xhuxk, Sunday, 13 March 2005 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link

you mean like when smashing pumpkins put out their first record on a fake indie that was actually just a major-label front. i love that story. if it's true. or maybe i just made it up.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 13 March 2005 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

i love when indie bands on stage pretend they are drunk and that they are really bored and can't be bothered to play well even when the truth is: they are only a little drunk, very boring, and they can't play at all.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 13 March 2005 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link

well, i only said they excelled, i never said they were good at it (hey, wait a minute) ("excelled" meaning = it's part of their *job.*)

xhuxk, Sunday, 13 March 2005 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't guess country has been sold as authentic any more or less than blues, soul, indie, r&b. Maybe more than something like Philly soul, less than Stax or something. I really try to stay away from that concept, "authenticity." Because I just don't exactly know what it means--if someone is doing the best they can that's usually good enough for me. My friend Yuval Taylor, a smart guy, is working on something right now all about authenticity in popular music, and the idea of the autobiographical. He has this idea, which I don't know is right or wrong, that there was an explosion of autobiography in blues music in the '30s, like Memphis Minnie singing about meningitis, and various people singing about being blind. Whether it was the depression, or a shift in audience tastes after the '20s, I am not sure what he's saying from what I've read. And he thinks that country music had an explosion of explicitly autobiographical songs in the '60s. Talking about Jimmie Rodgers singing about having TB and really being a brakeman earlier, as the roots of autobiographical song, and the whole confusion over whether a guy like John Hurt, who was marketed as "blues" but whose repertoire came from non-blues sources, was "authentic"--again my problem is the answer to the question, "in terms of what exactly?" Johnny Cash and Haggard were marketed as guys who'd lived the songs they sang, in the '60s, even though Cash spent like one night in the hoosegow or something, in reality. Faron Young was really a sheriff and he was the Singing Sheriff--but he was a guy who probably needed to be arrested and not the other way around from what I know about him.

Anyway, I think it's obviously an illusion, the thing I try to remember is that people singing songs for an audience work on a shared body of experience, but that includes a lot of mythology. I'm not so enamored of someone like Albert Murray, the daddy of neo-con blues and jazz scholarship so willingly exploited by Stanley Crouch and Wynton Marsalis--if Ray Charles used Sunday morning gospel conventions to sell Saturday night, more power to him. But I see how someone far more conversant with Sunday-morning-gospel reality and how using that might piss people off who are ready to be offended by said use might find it troubling, that mixture. I guess in country it's the same thing to a degree, except I'm trying to think of a white country artist who used white sacred music in a profane way. Were the Statler Brothers an extension of all that, did they use it in their novelty-act way? I dunno.

I'm listening to the Billy Don Burns, thx Chuck! I'm pretty impressed. I quite like "I Was There," which seems to be relevant to the idea of autobiography, for sure; ditto "Haggard and Hank" and "Runnin' Drugs out of Mexico." I mean, I don't think it's great singing or anything, it's all right, and he's definitely playing on his "life experiences" with all those photos of him with Sam Phillips, Paycheck, getting Tanya Tucker to fly in from Europe to cut, etc. But I'd play off it too, I guess. It kinda seems like a better version of some of the stuff I've heard at Tootsie's Orchid Lounge, these guys singing with the little bucket full of dollar bills in front of them, reeking of that country-music mythos. Nice banjo playing. Real interesting.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 13 March 2005 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, if something makes you really freaking care about it, it's real enough, it's authentic to you. If it distracts you from listening, by bringing 'round those same ol' tiredass thoughts about real and fake, it's too fake or too real, either way it's failed as *music*(which shoud worksas something to listen to, at least as much as, and at least some of the time more than: something to write and/or think about. Burns' stuff works better when he's not trying to re-write "Hank Williams You Wrote My Life" or many others. Every song on the album may be straight from his halfway house and/or prison writing class notebook, but the only ones I care about are the ones that don't upstage themselves by reminding me of better songs that came first, funny how that can happen when yer invoking existential badass his-story ever 2 bars eh? But the one to "Patsy" (a woman, so it's not like he's trying on cowboy suits, like in some of the others) is winning enough, a plausible if not brilliant fan letter, and the one to a wife who's passed on is not a tearjerker, or a good crisis-of-faith of a *recent* widower, like in Alan Jackson's "Monday Morning Church"; the guy in Burns' song has been through all that already, I think...he's just looking back and marvelling at her now, he can do that (another marvel, but sometimes "that's time's gift," as Mark Sinker once said of something somewhat different)(But like I said xpost, the jury's still out)

don, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 02:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow, so....the Duhks. Canadian blues-grass jiggers. I like this album a LOT. (When did Sugar Hill become such a rocking label?) (And I don't mean the one with Spoonie Gee and Grandmaster Flash on it.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link

NPR recently finished up a half-hour or so with a big chink of them, interview and music (probably on "All Things Considered"). Might still be archived if you check npr.org. I was doing some other stuf at the time, but what I caught of it sounded okay. Said later their mail from listeners was very divided. Lots of people really like bluegrass& related, lots really do not (xxhuck usually among the latter, so they must be better/ worse than the usual bluegrass, desending on your non-bluegrass/pure-bluegrass POV)(mebbe they're really good fake bluegrass)

don, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link

uh really big *chunk,* not chink (really big shew, as Ed Sullivan would say)

don, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link

haven't listened yet to much of Chatham County Line, another similarly-styled bluegrass band; they didn't seem very fun to me but that could have been my shitty yesterday mood

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 21:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, they play FAST. But with songs. And they don't sound like hall monitors in a one-room school house on the prairie waving their pointers to preserve the boring purist integrity of the genre, and they don't sound like country equivalents of Joe Satriani. Which puts them head and tails above 95 percent of bluegrass right off the bat.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 21:05 (nineteen years ago) link

The Dixie Chicks seem to be a BIG reference point (for starters).

xhuxk, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 21:06 (nineteen years ago) link

xp: Those were about the Duhks, not CCL (who I never heard of til now)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 21:07 (nineteen years ago) link

cool, maybe i should look 'em up

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 21:08 (nineteen years ago) link

The Duhks vs. Nickel Creek. Discuss.

The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 21:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, I should note that, between the lady in the forefront of the Duhks' (whose *name* is even sorta Dixie Chicks-like, I just noticed) CD cover photo and the non-lead-singing lady in Sugarland, this is turning out to be a good year for dykey looking country singers (no matter what their preference might be in real life) -- good news!

xhuxk, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

listening to chatham county line now - nothing at ALL like the duhks; pretty humorless and listless and reverent and bleh, at least so far.

figure out the sentiments (if not the music) of jody "jo dee" messina's "my give a damn's broken" = "get over it" by the eagles, right? i.e., please don't tell me about your damn victimhood no mo.

decided also i do not despise "you're my better half" by keith urban, after repeated exposure to it on the excellent *now that's what i call music! 18* comp. mid-'80s police bassline, suburban scenario, some space in the sound, brief jiggy guitar solo toward the end. he is *at least* as hard for me to hate as he is for me to care about.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 16:47 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah about CCL; I think that the JDM single is more complicated than that damn Eagles song (and several hundred more songs in country music) in that she's talking about a particular guy who has burned her in the past with lame-o excuses.

also I love a lot of tunes on the new Terri Clark album Honky Tonk Songs, especially the one where she says we should get our supercalifragilistic grooves on and shake our stiff asses.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 17:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, Dallas Wayne is about 7/8 unbeatable! But I'd think you wouldn't like his leaden voice, Chuck.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I got the Big Kenny album yesterday and gave it a listen. First impression is that it's a misinterpretation of "Strawberry Fields" or "Lucy In Sky"...it's Sgt. Pepper's as performed by the Bee Gees, or Paul without John, all feel-goody with no humour or cynicism to counterbalance the (ultimately vapid) new age sentimentality.
Doesn't go far enough. Acts like he's gonna get weird, but winds up being more Guy Lombardo than Gram Parsons. Which is maybe even weirder than he meant to be.

I'm not sure if I love it or hate it yet.

Huk-L, Thursday, 17 March 2005 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link

It's better than that on 7 out of 12 tracks. I can see some kind of Jeff Lynne comparison, as in initial posts. But not as wet as most ELO, more like when Roy Wood was still involved, and/or Jeff's work with Wilburys'(or Orbison solo; don't know if Roy's later stuff actually involved Jeff, but sounded like it could have). Or Jeff's porduction of Dave Edmunds. Not that Big Kenny is as distinctive a vocalist asDave, or Roy O.(mebbe Roy W.)But a certain suave Southerness; more vocal presence than Jeff, beefiness that offsets the Peter Max rainbows, which the Bee Gees added to, rather than offset.Although they had some toons; would like to here Messrs. B&R do "Lonely Days And Lonely Nights." Better yet, as yr. post suggests to me,a country version of Sgt. Pepper's altogether (now!)

don, Thursday, 17 March 2005 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm slow sometimes, I just saw this Mardi Gras thing that Brad Paisley did. Man, he is one great guitarist! I guess everyone else knew that already, but he blew me away. There's a good piece on him in the current Country Music Journal I just read.

I'm not sure about the Dhuks...I have an animus agin bluegrass music. But they are miles better than Chatham. I'd like to know, Chuck, what you like about it...I guess I find it hard to get past that instrumentation, you know.

CMT video award nominees:

Male--Urban, "Days Go By"; Chesney, "I Go Back"; McGraw, "Live Like You're Dying" (yeeesh); Keith, "Stays in Mexico."

Female--G. Wilson, "When I Think about Cheatin',"; M. McBride, "How Far"; Reba, "Somebody"; Terri Clark, "Girls Lie Too" (no nom for her Dodge commercial)

Group/Duo--Big &, "Holy Water"; Lonestar, "Mr. Mom"; M. Gentry, "If You Ever Stop Loving Me (I'll Activate Your In-Home Sprinkler System, Costing You a Fat $50,000 in Repair Bills)"; Rascal Flatts, "Feels Like Today"

Collab Video--Paisley/Krauss, "Whiskey Lullaby"; Buffett/Black/Chesney/Jackson/Keith/Strait, "Hey Good Lookin'"; Nelly/McGraw, "Over and Over"; Twain/Currington, "Party for Two"

Hottest (!) Video--Urban, "You're My Better Half"; Chesney, "Old Blue Chair"; Sara Evans, "Suds in the Bucket"; T. Keith, "Whiskey Girl"

Breakthrough--Big &, "Save a Horse"; Wilson, "Redneck Woman"; Josh Gracin, "I Want to Live"; Julie Roberts, "Break Down Here"

Most Inspiring--Big &, "Holy Water"; Joe Nichols, "If Nobody Believed in You"; McBride, "God's Will"; McGraw, "Live Like You're Dying"

Directors of "Redneck Woman," "Stays in Mexico," "Whiskey Lullaby," and "I Go Back" nominated. Broadcast April 11.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:45 (nineteen years ago) link

that Most Inspiring category just made me retch, like, for realz

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 18 March 2005 01:23 (nineteen years ago) link

i loather mcbride

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 18 March 2005 01:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I've just seen the last part of Paisley's Mardi Gras thing (titled "Muddi Gras").He plays some nice fluid jazzy guitar(comping, between accompaniment and response, feeding some ideas back, showing how the Wes Montgomery-ish approach can fit with the Preservation Hall Jazz Band)(He played well on "Me Neither," which I wrote about in Voice, and still find uncommonly impressive. The chorus, "Me Neither," which is what he says ever' time the girl rejects his suggestion, 'bout goin' for a stroll, dancing, etc., advances the action, the suspense. Not many options left, whether he's gambling on establishing rapport by elimination, *or* if he really doesn't want her to finally give in [forcing him to keep risking even more failure and/or sucess]. His suggestions are so innocuous, and persistent, she might give in, finally and that might be bad. Either way it's turning into Russian Roulette.Suspense! Wheras most pop songs are just exercises in saying the same thing in a different way, verse by verse, while waiting for the chorus again) Also did an acoustic version of "Whiskey Lullaby." Effective, minus the overproduced video (lso minus Alison Krauss).I vote for: "Stays In Mexico," "Girls Lie Too," "Save A Horse," a true breakonthrough video, which I ran on and on about on ILM and http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com("Think About Cheatin'" is the most repulsive ever; dubbed-in zombies, Opry stars in audience and onstage, made to fawn over Gretchen, so we get that *this is a Classic song*).(Julie Roberts looked so tough and goddessy in "Break Down Here," kinda like Kim Novak in VERTIGO. Kinda confusing when they did her tour "reality" show, and she seemed so eager and tiny and giggley. Not an airhead, but a kid, for sure. Still woulda voted if she weren't up against "Save") Also I vote for "Holy Water," not because I think it's one of their better songs, and not because I find the video actually Inspiring, but I was Impressed (that woman who has to stand there--Kenny's sister, isn't she?--turns out to have presence and dignity, despite seeimg a bit scared. Which suits the song). None of the nominees are all that Hot. Shoulda nominated Amy Dalley's perfectly poised (and Hot, or at least Amy is)"Men Don't Change."

don, Friday, 18 March 2005 07:44 (nineteen years ago) link

i gave lee anne womack an a+
do i love it so much because i have become obsessed with the politics of the domestic ?

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 18 March 2005 08:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Big Kenny's a really skilled singer with a really terrible voice, isn't he?

Anthony identifies with cougars! I love that LAW record too.

Huk-L, Friday, 18 March 2005 14:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh geez, I just learned that Live A Little was recorded in 1999, and all of a sudden it makes a lot more sense.

Huk-L, Friday, 18 March 2005 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Most Inspiring is totally a great category! I mean sure it invites pious choices ("God's Will" really is terrible, who knew you could build such a treacly song around such a cheesy pun), but I think the idea of honoring songs that touch people in a special way is kinda nice.

Al (sitcom), Friday, 18 March 2005 16:53 (nineteen years ago) link

also "Me Neither" roolz. I think I stuck up for Paisley once or twice to Eddy on other threads.

Al (sitcom), Friday, 18 March 2005 17:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Wait, these nominations are for the VIDEOS, right? I would TOTALLY vote for "God's Will" in the inspirational category, are you kidding? That kid dressed up as a bag of leaves is almost as funny as the Halloween episode of *Freaks and Geeks*!

Edd, someday when I have more time on my hands I'll do a song-by-song rundown of the Duhks album, which I've already played just about as much as any album this year. And, again, I am a bluegrass hater from way back. But the instruments used aren't what bugs me (I don't really get that -- fiddles can rock! and here they do!!); it's *how* they're used. And here there is no show-offiness or school-marm-smarminess to speak of, and tons of humor and hooks and beauty. And SONGS, one of which is French. So far my favorite song is the (slow, oddly enough) one about Baltimore (which is followed a couple songs later with one about Dover, Delaware). But my opinion is still evolving. So far, I believe this to be a pretty great album. Again, the only valid comparison I can think of is the Dixie Chicks (though Don's worthy faves the Mollys also come to mind, come to think of it, as will some others if I give the subject more thought, I'm sure.)

xhuxk, Friday, 18 March 2005 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link

The Hacienda Brothers album is more a soul record than country, but my initial spins have given me grins.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 18 March 2005 18:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Has anybody heard the Mary Gauthier album yet?

Huk-L, Friday, 18 March 2005 18:06 (nineteen years ago) link

i didnt know she had one

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 18 March 2005 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not sure if it's out yet. I think next week.
She was on the cover of No Depression the issue before the current one, and I saw her last summer and she's a pretty stunning storyteller and has a terrific voice for that real down deep ache sort of song.

Huk-L, Friday, 18 March 2005 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

interesting about the Duhks...I will have to listen more to this...I like bluegrass in theory, I've seen some great stuff in Nashville over the years--Jerry Douglas, Sam Bush, Edgar Meyer one night when Emmylou sat in, pretty amazing. I like fiddles in lotsa music too, Cajun music can be good when it uses 'em. I guess I listened to the Duhks and then right after to Chatham County Line and lumped it all together...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 18 March 2005 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

They also work in plenty of blues, Latin percussion, cajun, etc - they are anything but purists. (And to answer Mad Puffin up thread, their energy leaves Nickel Creek -- who I kinda have a soft spot for, at least when they cover Pavement and do instrumentals about slurpees -- in the dust.) (In fact, when you get down to it, the Duhks's music probably reminds me more of the Warsaw Village Band's! Or maybe, er, Cordelia's Dad in their pre-indie-rock folk mode? Hmmm.)

xhuxk, Friday, 18 March 2005 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link

i really admired drag queens and limosuines

anthony, Friday, 18 March 2005 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Chatham County Line used to be (kinda) Tift Merritt's backup band. I have no idea what that means...for any of us.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 18 March 2005 22:27 (nineteen years ago) link

The Duhks' song about Baltimore, "Dance Hall Girls," sounds like a winner. (Of course, it's hard to fight the urge to type its title as "Dance Hall Days.")

John Fredland (jfredland), Friday, 18 March 2005 23:42 (nineteen years ago) link

"Dance Hall Girls" is an old Fraser and Debolt song. F & D were a vaguely avant-gardish Canadian folk duo from the early 70s, and that song in particular from their catalogue has been regularly covered by Canadian folkies over the past 30 years. I'm sure Leonard Podolak from the Duhks heard it a lot growing up, his father being the godfather of the Canadian folk festival circuit.

Allen Baekeland (Allen Baekeland), Saturday, 19 March 2005 00:29 (nineteen years ago) link

who else has sang it?

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 19 March 2005 01:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Tom Russell is one that comes to mind off the top of my head who's recorded it. But I've seen many Toronto area singers like Rick Fielding or Mendelson Joe sing it over the years.

Allen Baekeland (Allen Baekeland), Saturday, 19 March 2005 05:10 (nineteen years ago) link

it sounds familar but i cant place it...

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 19 March 2005 06:47 (nineteen years ago) link

ok so maybe this was inevitable, but i don't think the duhks album is quite as great as i thought. not sure where i thought their "humor" was coming from, either....the songs are actually pretty dark; at least half of them about death (esp the gospelly ones) or war (the leonard cohen one, which i like a lot) or child sexual abuse (that one's at least as good as "janie's got a gun," i guess - sounds more convincingly angry toward the end anyway.) they don't seem to have written most of the songs -- maybe just a few of the reely fiddly fast instrumentals (all of which are real good, but some of which kinda last longer than i wish.) there is even a song written by sting at the end (a sort of fiddle-reggae thing). anyway, the record's wearing on me a little; i wouldn't call it stodgy, but some parts at least flirt with too much wholesomeness for their own good. still, i do love some of it, and it definitely feels more open musically than just about any bluegrass album in recent memory. (i'll take it over donna the buffalo, for instance, who are pretty good themselves.) next to the baltimore one, my favorite track might be the rennaisance fairish sounding one about how wives wound up being owned by their husbands. (seemingly traditional, even if it's not. a guy in the group sings that one, somehow reminding me of marv ross in quarterflash for some reason.) anyway, my opinion will continue to evolve, i'm sure. but don't feel you gotta rush out and buy the thing right away, ok?

xhuxk, Saturday, 19 March 2005 23:33 (nineteen years ago) link

there is also a sort of pop-sellout-sounding track that reminds me of something on amy grant's *heart in motion*.

and by the way, that joe dee broken give a damn song not only reads like the eagles, it also *sounds* like the eagles. blatantly -- something off of *the long run,* i think.

xhuxk, Sunday, 20 March 2005 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Hank Williams Exploding Heart

I saw the footage of his funeral for the first time (kodachrome from the 50s) for the first time today, on a trashy cmt biodoc . The footage was edited badly and the voice over was distracting---but there were thousands of people in black, a mass on the steps of nashvilles Memorial Stadium. There was the thick crush of mourners over graveyard under white tents standing on green grass. There was him in his coffin--grey suit and white satin.

Then there was the front row of the audience:
his ex wife, his current wife, his mistress who buried the man on the evening of the fourth and gave birth to his child on the sixth.

The doc ended, and Shania Twains video for Party of Two came on.
I turned off the television.

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 21 March 2005 09:23 (nineteen years ago) link

also listening to randy rogers band, *rollercoaster.* he has a song called "can't slow down," which is a lie, since he actually slows down too much, and he's best when he doesn't. in fact at his fastest ("alive," maybe "ten miles deep" and "down and out") he swings his rock hard enough to satisfy by montgomery gentry cravings. and "they call it the hill country" satisfies my driveby truckers cravings as well as anything the dbts have done lately. much of the rest for some reason makes me think "steve earle," though i don't think steve earle ever sang this good (and at least a third of the record may sound more generic than anything earle has done, or maybe not -- i tend not to make a point of keeping up with earle. were the dukes ever a good band? hey, guess what, i just got the duke of earle joke JUST THIS SECOND, am i slow or what?) anyway, what else? oh yeah, randy rogers is not named randy roads (though i keep thinking that's his name), and he is also not the randy rhodes who hosts on air america (who seems much smarter than janene garafolo, who despite the fact that i no doubt agree with her fairly often lately strikes me as a complete babbling idiot, though maybe that's not news to some people, dunno.) also: one song where he drinks and drives, another where he hasn't had a drink for two months. so consistency will not stand in his way!

xhuxk, Monday, 21 March 2005 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, and so it looks like radney foster produced the randy rogers album. i have no opinion on foster; kinda assumed he'd be fairly bland judging by the kind of bodeans fans who used to go gaga over foster and lloyd (and the o'kanes? weren't they connected with them somehow?) in creem magazine back in the late '80s or so. don't know if i ever heard them myself; opinions would be appreciated.

(and oh yeah by rr's "fastest" songs i may have just meant "loudest.")

xhuxk, Monday, 21 March 2005 16:15 (nineteen years ago) link

chuck don edd anthony huk et al STOP have you heard the terri clark record yet STOP I think you'll be pleasantly surprised STOP

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Monday, 21 March 2005 16:29 (nineteen years ago) link

(oops, just noticed that edd likens foster/lloyd to marshall crenshaw up above - which, yep, totally jibes with those '80s creemsters' white-breadabilly tastes -- for mine in such matters, see the recent powerpop thread on here, oh well. i think like those guys may have liked robert ellis orrall as well, but given the choice i would've taken moon martin myself. or even rocky burnette. who may or may not have been as good as dwight twilley, when you get down to it.)

xp = nope haven't heard new terri c yet, though i often like her lots.

xhuxk, Monday, 21 March 2005 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Didn't even know there was one! Didn't she just put out a greatest hits last fall???

I've liked her live a whole lot, but never warmed up to any of her albums yet.

Huk-L, Monday, 21 March 2005 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think I ever listened to the O'Kanes. Foster and Lloyd I've heard. The F&L albums are lightweight country-pop. and probably I said this somewhere else here but their hit "Sure Thing" is a nice pop tune that is pretty sophisticated. Good guitar playing throughout the records, out of the bag described earlier. I didn't know that Creem readers into the Bodeans (whom I never really listened to) were into them, but from what I know that makes sense. I guess F&L were as close as Nashville gets to the Hoboken pop scene with its combination of country and '60s/'70s pop? And now, Lambchop, the appeal of whom I wish someone would explain to me.

I mean there's a studio in town, Alex the Great, run by Brad Jones, and there's been a claque of folks in N-ville recording there obsessed with power pop for years, like the Shazam, who are actually now better than they were as they ditch the effeteness for more power and better more compact tunes.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 21 March 2005 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link

what goes around comes around dept: first single (just entered the country chart at #44) off album (due in may) by "van zant" (= donnie + johnny + ?) is "help somebody," a blatant (and barn-burning) montgomery gentry rip (as are the other two songs on the advance promo EP, though they don't seem to be quite as good as the single).

xhuxk, Tuesday, 22 March 2005 01:14 (nineteen years ago) link

(and of course van zant bros ripping off montgomery gentry is kinda like roxy music ripping off the cars in 1980! just desserts...)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 22 March 2005 01:22 (nineteen years ago) link

(yeah I'd like to hear the new Terri thanks for the the tip) Hey xxhuxk, I'm surprised that an old .38 Special like you doesn't know about Van Zant. I always get Johnny and Donnie mixed up, but this was the group of whichever one *wasn't* in .38. They did an album like 20 yrs. ago, then broke up when this bro went to Skyn. I don't remember that album, but around the turn of the century, Johnny and Donnie cut a couple of albums as Van Zant: Van Zant II and Brother To Brother. Both of which I thought were pretty good, although I only heard 'em when stalking shoplifters at the ol' company sto.' I always assumed that they and .38 Special influenced Montgomery Gentry, as they were def. headed in the same direction (re tweaking Skyn's "more" commercial syde, for the sake of crossover Top 20 Radio)

don, Tuesday, 22 March 2005 03:10 (nineteen years ago) link

(ps: heard part of an NPR interview with xposted Mary Gauthier this weekend; songbites seemed okay and better, except for some distractingly corny singing at first. Full tracks from this new album on the NPR.org site, but my soundcard's fardled for such)

don, Tuesday, 22 March 2005 05:49 (nineteen years ago) link

my review of the new womack will come out on stylus this week, is it ok to post it here?

i am not sure i like terri clark

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 06:15 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, post the link at least, anthony.

i'm pretty sure i find mary gauthier a major bore (or at least i'm pretty sure i did the one time i tried to listen to an album by her)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 22 March 2005 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Here's my Lee Ann review, for good ol' PopMatters.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 17:42 (nineteen years ago) link

i find her really low key, but i think she countryfies discourses that usually arent, and i find that interesting (maybe its just cause im a fag and i have worn out my doug sanders album)

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 21:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Now that y'all have me thinking about Van Zant again, think I'll go prowl the big flea market on the hill (ex-K Mart). Who is Doug Sanders?

don, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 02:14 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.lgcma.com/
http://www.dougstevens.net/
stevens not sanders--hes a gay country singer, actually not half bad, like pansy division for cowboys

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 03:17 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/review.php?ID=2855

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 18:42 (nineteen years ago) link

George Smith (in an email to me this morning):

>In other matters, Shooter Jennings suprised. "4th of July" is best tune --I like! The "put the O back in country" is a convenient sham, OK, because I approve of convenient shams carried out by the circumstantially doomed 100 percent of the time. The best tunes sound like his glam band lightened up although the very -last- tune, "Daddy's Farm," on the rekkid is no-holds-barred. <

xhuxk, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 18:51 (nineteen years ago) link

That review is awesome, anthony.

Huk-L, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link

thnx huck

anthony, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 22:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Dayum, the only Van Zant at the flea mart (Brother To Brother) looked lak uh meth sled. I'll try the pawh shops tomorrow. George Smith likes country?! Or anyway Shooter. I'll have to check that out (if I get a promo). Did you tell him my xpost "female rule" surmise re the-o-back-in-country? Speaking of xposts, I agree with Edd about Sam Bush, Bela Fleck and Emmylou. Sam and Bela's old group, New Grass Revival could be pretty great too, at least live. Kind of reminded me of what U-2's fans think *they* do. But NGR didn't just go for a trademark, might-as-well-be-ambient sound and stick with that, like U-2 (or many lesser and some better groups). Their solos and ensemble work were distinctive (I could actually tell 'em apart! Unlike most of U-2's). John Cowan could get a bit carried away with the vocal-wonderfuls, but he had more to get carried away with and by than Bono.And I 'ppreciated that Sam used phasing and other footswitch activies on his mandolin only at the right moments, like when it seemed the song seemingly couldn't get no higher. Now to catch up on those links.

don, Thursday, 24 March 2005 02:29 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah Anthony, you always write very well; I don't agree with a lot of your conclusions, but I always appreciate the way you get there

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 24 March 2005 02:35 (nineteen years ago) link

meant to add: the only straight-up bluegrass (I usually like it as an ingredient and/or messed-with) that's shook me in a while was (Donna The Buffalo's) Tara Nevins' solo album, Mule To Ride. This (and several things I've heard featuring Laurie Lewis' fiddle) can be can be firey and dizzy, reminding me of Tom Wolfe (and my Granpaw)on the mountaineer motorheads (moonshiner runners and just plain runners)who were cultural ancestors of stockcar racers and customizers (incl. the ones who put more Southern in Southern California, like my cousins). Which further reminds me that, before Rednex and the Groovegrass Boyzz, Silver Apples had their country technek moments, in '68 and '69. "Ruby," (can't read the author's name, but published by Acuff-Rose),"Confusion" (well that might be folk-techno, since they've dropped the bionic banjo for what might be an autoharp), and than "Fantasies", already messing with something they may have just invented (but, as with New Grass in prev. post, why rest on yr laurels). Drawling the stream o' unconscious til "Oops Ah caint read mah handwritin'. Ah'm onna change chords (course?), but Ah won't say when." Okay then. In the meantime, I'll get to Sourpuss & Anthony's liknks.

don, Thursday, 24 March 2005 02:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I like both those reviews. Haven't listened to the album that much, but I see how all this applies. Ironic that the retro aspect is pointedly pointing to the time when country-pop was importing/exporting that restless, can't be-satisfied, can't-even-sleep,like-there's-a-war-or-smething (I won't plug my Country Top Ten notes on this re-emerging theme at http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com yet again) Including that old stuff like Loretta singing about how lovin' was better with "The Pill"(and the supposedely more progressive poprock did this when? On an album, much less a hit single?) Who had better better cred of course, than a hillbilly child bride, a mega-multiple mother, and grandmother by age 37? Born too soon, but she knows a good thing when it's ready. An album that quietly but specifically (most overtly in the one about the demons vs. the molecule/mustardseed of faith) refuses to get inspirational. Judging by the hint of rue, I think she knows the extended metaphor/conceit of "Heaven" is indeed a sure-*would*-be-nice (an' ain't it purty to think so) fractured fairy tale.

don, Thursday, 24 March 2005 05:22 (nineteen years ago) link

"The Pill" is not the best example, but its non-rocket-science/bar-raing, unashamed assertiveness (and that of"Don't Come Home A-Drinkin'[With Lovin' On Your Mind]," and "Fist City," bitch) goes with Lee Ann's new candor. But even Loretta comes off as truly inspiring,though not "inspirational." LeeAnn's terse neurosis is like 50s-to-60s (from wallowing in a bottle to getting just stoned/relaxed/detached to scrutinize the mess behind you, long as you're both in the mirror). In other words: a) recording with Willie may have left its flashback; and b)what Matt said about the sneaky *illusion*/allusion, of and to just when was that time this "retro" evokes right now? It's sure not perfect, but it's some of what I need in, in the present tense.

don, Thursday, 24 March 2005 05:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Loretta's "non-rocket-science/bar-*raising*," I meant.

don, Thursday, 24 March 2005 06:11 (nineteen years ago) link

email from frank kogan (about the same thing that george smith wrote me an email about last week):

>To my surprise, I sort of like the Shooter Jennings album. I liked a Waylon Jennings album once, back in the late '70s or sometime, the one with "Would Hank Have Done It This Way," if that's the title, which had a drone that reminded me of the Velvet Underground. In any event, Shooter's voice is even worse than his dad's I think, though "worse" might be the wrong terminology. Shooter's voice never quite seems *there*. So, when he sings (in at least *two* songs) that Nashville has no soul, I want to retort, "Well, you have no voice." But he kind of does have songs, and an idea of what his voice should be doing if it existed. And he has guitar licks. And the emotional age of a 10-year-old (so the ten-year-old within me gets a kick out of the album title). And his ideal of a blues band seems to be Blue Cheer.

xhuxk, Monday, 28 March 2005 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link

what do you guys think of "Hillbillies" by Hot Applie Pie? seems almost predestined for a "Redneck Woman" type success but I'm not sure how much I like it yet. it wasn't until the 3rd or 4th time I saw the video that I realized that it's a shot-for-shot remake/parody of the "Drop It Like It's Hot" video, which I thought was pretty clever, since it otherwise scans as just another b&w video.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm listening to this Keith Anderson CD, "Three Chord Country and American Rock and Roll." So far I quite like this modified John Lee Hooker 15th-generation blues thing, "Wrap Around."
"XXL" kinda steals the intro from the Stones' "Let's Spend the Night Together" and then goes into a 15th-generation George Harrison "modal" riff and then he steals the sound George Jones makes in "White Lightning." It's also another real basic blues rip. As is "Pickin' Wildflowers," another one out of the Hooker bluesbag, and cowritten by John Rich. It uses a jews-harp, I think. It's a real '70s kind of album with a sincerity move about that special one in his life, drugstore cowboy 15th generation, like Firefall? or something like that. And "Stick It" has that talkbox guitar sound and rhymes "Bro," "Tae Bo, " "broke my elbow" and "Woodrow." The combination of talkbox, guitar and fiddle on that one is...something else...sounds like they had a good time doing this...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link

i give anything with a jews harp an automatic one letter grade, half a star upgrade.

anthony, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 20:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Jewsharp jaw got plenty of juice.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 20:40 (nineteen years ago) link

In the "Pickin' Wildflowers" video, lots of black people, and it's decent white electric blues (okay by me), but also/even though his proposition includes listening to Tom Petty! Doesn't sound like any Tom Petty I've heard (which is also okay by me), but I suspect he's being intentionally droll (which fits with the rest of the track; he obviously wants to put his tingue in her and/or your cheek), as well as being a demographer-approved namecheck. "Let's go get a little peace on earth," or is it "find a little peace on earth"? Either way, very inspirational.

don, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 23:09 (nineteen years ago) link

So what does anybody know about Dierks Bentley? I hadn't noticed how unbelievably awesome "Lot of Leavin' Left to Do" is before Frank Kogan listed it on a preleminary best-of-2005 list on another thread this week (don't even remember hearing it before -- I guess I'd just change the channel on the CMT and GAC countdowns when it was about to come on because, uh, I didn't like Dierk's name or something? Which is silly; its a perfectly good name.) Anyway, does he have other songs this good? Did he write the song himself? If not, who did? Is that his own band playing on that song? Because whoever they are, they have one smooth rocking (and sort of nonchalantly Latin at the beginning?) groove, and they take it some very cool exploratory places. Please tell me. I know nothing about this feller.

xhuxk, Thursday, 31 March 2005 15:41 (nineteen years ago) link

His first set of singles actually included a song called "My Last Name"! I have liked his easy style, esp. his videos where he's all self-deprecatingly in trouble with angry dads and people who misspell Dierks. This sounds fun!

By the way the Hacienda Brothers = awesome.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 31 March 2005 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, I totally remember the "My Last Name" one; that was good! For all I know I've liked him all along, and just never made a mental note of it....

xhuxk, Thursday, 31 March 2005 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

His epic midnight (or late evenin)plowboy's Vegas trip video, "What Was I Thinkin'", a CMT fave.

don, Thursday, 31 March 2005 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll add my voice to the chorus praising the Hacienda Brothers. I bought "No Time To Waste" from the iTunes store, and I liked it so much that I wound up springing for the entire album. "No Time," "Mental Revenge" and "Saguaro" (which is recommended to Cactus...) are my early picks to click.

John Fredland (jfredland), Saturday, 2 April 2005 13:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I remember Dierks's "My Last Name" too...just got his self-titled one and the new one, "Modern Day Drifter," and am gonna sit down to listen sometime today.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 2 April 2005 14:24 (nineteen years ago) link

so i have a mac, and want to see the new country troy video on either yahoo launch or cmt and this is proving difficult...any hints ?

and in another vein--the new aliasdar roberts is v. pretty, v. low key, feilditous to the childe/border ballads tradition with out sufforcating it dead with his respect.

i would recommend it deeply. (on drag city)

anthony, Sunday, 3 April 2005 15:41 (nineteen years ago) link

see where Columbia/Legacy will reissue the George Jones '79 album "My Very Special Guests." Two CDs this time, expanded to gather duets w/ Alan Jackson and others, mo' possum.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 3 April 2005 16:28 (nineteen years ago) link

i just heard north dakota boy by doc walker--can we talk about that please

anthony, Sunday, 3 April 2005 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link

(So, are you gone tell us about "North Dakota Boy" by Doc Walker, Anthony? I never heard of either.)

don, Wednesday, 6 April 2005 01:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I have really bad CMT/GAC timing these days. I have only seen the second halves of the following three videos, all of which have very entertaining second halves: Shooter Jennings "4th of July" (great song by the way, and not just cause he mentions "Stranglehold" by Ted Nugent in it), "Hillbillies" by Hot Apple Pie (nice Bo Diddly rip at the end -- is this sort of like the country answer to "Faith" by George Michael or something?), "I Play Chicken With The Train" by Cowboy Troy (I'm sure I will like this; I just don't know why yet.)

Been listening to both Dierks Bentley albums. I like him a lot. "Lot of Leavin' Left to Do" is probably my single of the year so far, just a great, great ramblin' fear-of-commitment anthem, and it stomps and it swings and it jams like crazy, but stays light on its feet all the way through. Not sure if I said all that before or not. The rhythm *isn't* Latin, but it's total dance music, non-stop forward motion. You could mix it into a disco set, easy. AMAZING drummer. My favorite songs by him otherwise so far are the ones that sort of split the difference between George Strait in his "When the Cowboy Rides Away"/"Amarillo By Morning" Glen Campbell forlorn fugitive cowpoke on the desert highway mode and Montgomery Gentry-style hard rock (though he's never a Montgomery Gentry-style asshole about it, except your usual no-woman's-ever-gonna-tie-me-down kinda asshole I guess, and in one song he does keep a gun next to him while driving and making out in his truck.) The new album (due in May) has his band stretching out more, and they do it with a real ease. But the debut sounds pretty good too, at least so far. New album could have a shot at my top 10.

xhuxk, Friday, 8 April 2005 18:22 (nineteen years ago) link

As for "Pickin' Wildflowers," I like it fine, but I have to admit the old Fabulous Thunderbirds style "let's put the video in a bar room full of token sweaty dancing old black people so everyone knows this song is really gritty and about sex" move does creep me out a wee bit.

xhuxk, Friday, 8 April 2005 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link

>"Let's go get a little peace on earth," or is it "find a little peace on earth"? <

I assumed he was gettin himself a little "piece" on earth, actually!

xhuxk, Friday, 8 April 2005 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the new Dierks a lot too. Really digging the leadoff track, "Lot of Leavin' Left to Do." great fuckin' guitar. I'm a sucker for that kind of guitar playing. It really develops, as a song, which I like. Somebody's doing some thinking here. The instrumental ending/fade might go on just a bit too long, but it's a classic summer song. Nice compressed song form on "Cab of My Truck." Interesting not-quite-standard chord changes in this one, too. I might change my mind, but I even like the change-of-pace slow ones on this, too. The way these songs fuck around with form, like the little descending bit when he sings "single-malt scotch jagermeister or cuervo gold" in "Domestic, Light and Cold," really impresses me. The kind of canny pop-country synthesis I often hear in my head...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 8 April 2005 20:34 (nineteen years ago) link

ya'll might be interested in reading piece by Kandia Crazy Horse, in the current Perfect Sound Forever, "Apocalypse in the American Bush," which talks about Shooter Jennings, Southern Bitch, the demise of the famed old Muscle Shoals studio, the Grammys' southern-rock tribute, Travis Tritt, Sly's "Riot" and other things--kinda thought-provoking...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 8 April 2005 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link

"Pickin' Wildflowers" vid:the calibrated tinge of blaxploitation goes with the mention of that great bluesman Tom Petty and the "peace"/piece tongue-in-whichever-cheek of the whole thang; nudge-nudge, wink-wink (creep-creep, if it comes to that: all part of the hip rip, just bland enough and just sneaky enough to get by, 'til the next hustle).

don, Monday, 11 April 2005 03:04 (nineteen years ago) link

any thots on the flame worthy awards?

anthony, Tuesday, 12 April 2005 01:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Hope that Amy Dalley's "Men Don't Change" won something; it's perfect (and good too--few manage both)

don, Tuesday, 12 April 2005 01:29 (nineteen years ago) link

cmt awards show last night was kind of anticlimactic; i was really hoping dierks bentley would blow the roof off with his great single, but you could barely even hear his band. gretchen couldn't keep up with ann and nancy wilson, either. big & rich closed the show with the dance mix of "save a horse"; kinda cute, but nothing especially unexpected give or take the shout-out to larry the cable guy (#1 country album in the country right now, supposedly) on the back of john rich's guitar. they did seem to do a nearly half-hour version of "i play chicken with the train" w/ cowboy troy during the pre-game show, though; blew away anything to make the actual event. (oh yeah, the other fun thing was how shooter jennings kept getting scolded and eventually bleeped whilst trying to make out with his seemingly hot and apparently famous girlfriend, whoever the hell she might be.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 12 April 2005 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

shes on joey.
i m issed the pregame show, which pisses me off, because cowboy troy is my latest obession.

anthony, Tuesday, 12 April 2005 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link

ok, so, allentown cat country station whilst i was driving into bucks county tonite (first off, does anybody underestand the "cat country" format, if a format is what it is? is it national? a network? or is it what used to be called "hot country"? seems way more lady-listener-aimed and dance-oriented than commerical country proper; last year they were playing big & rich long before the philly station, even "rollin' {the ballad of}", not to mention the sugarhill gang once. didn't hear cowboy troy or hot apple pie tonite though), okay, what I DID hear: great new leann rimes and sugarland singles (which I'd known from their albums, but didn't get how cool they'd sound as singles), dierks "lot of leavin'" (which sounds fucking AMAZING on a car radio, holy shit, that drum sound is pure dance-rock forward-motion genius, i swear), and most intriguingly, some song with a woman singing repeatedly about how we used to sing "born in the usa" at the top of our lungs and we'd thought i'd always be your girl and we were so naive then, over an absolute unabashed 1982 benatar/branigan dance oriented rock disco rhythm, and the singer even veers toward operatic rock-disco-r&b semi-melisma at the end -- what the hell is this song? a dance remix? if so, it's a great one. if not, it's one of the most disco country hits yet. any information or clues would be hugley appreciated.

watching GAC or CMT the other night, by the way, i realized that i THINK the nickelcreed sounding country hit i'd been curious about a few months ago (including on my pazz and jop ballot) is by cross-canadian railroad or whatever they're called. i'd heard an album by them i kinda liked once; kinda country-rock, as alt-country goes (which is probably why they've got some commercial airplay), but i never realized how fake grunge they sound til now.

xhuxk, Saturday, 16 April 2005 02:14 (nineteen years ago) link

the hot apple pie song is perhaps the stupidest i have encountered in months, and not good popstupid

anthony, Saturday, 16 April 2005 03:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Anthony, have you seen the Cowboy Troy discussion on this thread: Big & Rich performing at halftime of NBA All-Star Game?!

don, Saturday, 16 April 2005 04:27 (nineteen years ago) link

(In retrospect, LeeAnn signaled us that things were gonna get moody, by going from her glammed-up album cover of a couple years ago, to a grey-and-white stint as backup singer in a Cross Canadian Ragweed video.) Got the Duhks, Dierks, and new Van Zant (thanxx xxuhxx), and so far what I like best about all three is the sense of *band* (and I see CMT's gonna list "20 Greatest Bands" tomorrow night, finally, and we may even get to hear them, in between endless lip service). The Duhks' voices are really gonnah have to grow on me. "Blue" (def. not the Rimes ditty) fits exactly with your mention of the Mollys, xxuhxx, and here the characterless voice actually works like a window on the song, like that "transparent prose" I heard tell of. But mostly the singing's way too 2-D for the drama, like Be Good Tanyas (and many worse than them): basically like, "O Death where is thy boop oop a doop"(which say Nellie Mackay might well make good clean fun of, and I hope she will).And that guy bleating L.Cohen Vader's "The Future," jeez. But the instrumentals can be good, some of 'em, with the tablas etc. I dunno, I'll listen some more. Dierks & band did a 35-city (club) tour with Cross Canadian, playing to "jam-friendly audiences," according to the Capitol site, and apprenticed at the Station Inn, so there's the bluegrass influence on his overall sense of band. Also, the bio declares, he studied the great vocalists by transcribing their lyrics and marking their phrasing and he recently toured with George Strait.And he co-wrote most of the frickin songs, like on his first.Chose some good covers, too, especially (a deft vocal, even)"Good Things Happen," by Jamie Hartford, whose musos he cherrypicked, according to the bio.(Before reading this, I suspected it was a Roger Cook song, cos kinda reminded me of Roger's "I Beleive In You," written for Don Williams)(R.C., the Daddy of CMT's hostess-with-the-mostest Katie Cook [who had her own band, but I forgot the name] also wrote the Coke cult anthem, "I'd Like To Teach The World To Sing," and "Long Cool Woman In A Black Dress.") But still, with all this stuff going for him, Bentley seems too cautious a singer (and lyricist), at times.(He is good at those seemingly spontaneous little spoken bits.)The Capitol bio assures us he didn't want to mess with platinum success of debut, so mebbe that's why the caution (the band's out front as armor?) I should probably shut up about it, cos it's growing on me. What Chuck said about songs gaining impact as singles really probably will apply to a lotta tracks on the Van Zant (incl, the first single and title track, "Get Right With The Man," which, although I don't like it that much on the album, sounds fine on CMT, which hasn't yet had time to play it to death). The band, uncredited on the promo, just doesn't get enough hooks to wrap its licks around, in several of these tracks, despite all-manner of (oh yes credited) highpower co-writers. And the Van Zants really don't have the frontman flair of their big bro, nor the well-assigned teamwork of duos like M.G., B&D, and uhh-oh yeah, the Warren Brothers (CMT will have to reach back in time for 20 Great Duos). The co-write with the Warrens. "I Can't Help Myself," will prob work as a single, because, all though the chorus moos and sways, it does somehow give the band some. Mostly I like 'em best when they drop the dutiful/wistfully-assertive-little-brothers bits (totally understandable, since not only Ronnie but most of their immediate blood rels have passed on), and go scurrying round behind the barn, like in "I Know My History," chortle-chortle, and the final three, "Lovin' You"(by Al Anderson; too bad he left NRBQ, but he's long since proved more valuable on Music Row); "Plain Jane"(which def. has something fun to do with "Sweet Jane" and AC/DC, even though not as good as either); and the ironically-titled "Been There Done That," which gives me plenty non-jade(d) goosebumps. These would also make great singles, but so nice as climatic threesome on an obsolete ol' *album*

don, Saturday, 16 April 2005 07:30 (nineteen years ago) link

"The Duhks'...characterless voice."

Hmmm....well, Ben Ratliff (I think) in the Times yesterday called their voices "strong but unvirtuosic" (or something like that), so I'll go with that choice instead. I dunno, they're no Leanns or Lee Anns, obviously. But like I said, not alt-country wallflowers either. Anyway, I may go see them live Saturday; if so, will report back.

Still haven't made it through the Van Zant CD, for some reason. Did jump forward to "Plain Jane", and slightly heard "Sweet Jane", and if AC/DC's there that's even *more* slight, I think. Don's description above does put me in the mind of Kix's "Same Jane," which was great (though probably more "Gudbuy T'" than "Sweet." Maybe THE Sweet, tho.)

xhuxk, Monday, 18 April 2005 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link

google just help me answer my other question above, too. (so, what do people think of jamie o'neal? she's an aussie, right? i kinda liked her "atlantis" song, but this one seems way better to me, so far..)

Artist Jamie O Neal
Album Brave
Song Naive

How you been, boy you're lookin' good
Are you still livin' down in Birmingham
Funny how things didn't turn out like we thought they would
Now here we are standin' face-to-face again
Two old long lost friends
Laughin' 'bout when we'd sing

"Born in the USA"
And we'd scream it at the top of our lungs
Remember how you'd always say
You were gonna change the world
And yeah, I would always be your girl
And we dreamed about runnin' away
Just takin' off and chasin' the sun
Man, we really had it made
We were young, in love and free
And so naive, so naive

xhuxk, Monday, 18 April 2005 17:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Just catching up to the rest of the thread:
The Duhks' "You and I" is only the second thing all year that has completely knocked me out right from the git. I speak of the instruments, of course (the banjo, mostly, but the fiddle solo's nice) not the lyrics (though the vocal delivery is pleasant enough). I don't really have an opinion on the rest of the album, but I know I don't like the cover of "Everybody Knows", which was a song I never cared for in the first place.

john'n'chicago, Tuesday, 19 April 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Buddy Jewell: still boring.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Erin Condo, *Leaving Songs* (Joyland Music): not boring at all

But Haikunym is OTM about Buddy Jewell

xhuxk, Tuesday, 19 April 2005 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, I did say "Plain Jane" had "something to do with 'Sweet Jane' and AC/DC though not as good as either": it gains by being in the middle of that final sandwich of tracks, and no doubt I'm listening to associations/implications of braying voices and hoof/handclaps (also slight mirage of "Love Stinks," many sub-Rod Stewarts/Marriotts, and yeah the Sweet).I haven't heard Jamie's new album, but like the single, and her big blue Soap Western first album (first American, that is; did she do one Down Under?) was something I think I went on about re International Country, on another thread.(International Country being something that *can* be done by Americans, but either way is big blue balladic, competing with and sometimes on Eurovision, etc.)

don, Tuesday, 19 April 2005 23:02 (nineteen years ago) link

"associations/implications": I'm Skinner Box pigeon-conditioned to mentally fill in the gaps with "braying voices and hoof/handclaps" when so prompted by what's actually on the tracks.Like self-service gas stations and grocery checkouts.

don, Tuesday, 19 April 2005 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow, the new Entertainment Weekly has Big & Rich and Gretchen Wilson on the cover. Trend spotters, those EW staffers.

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 01:09 (nineteen years ago) link

International Country by an American: Patricia Vonne *Guitars and Castanets* (CoraZong/Bandolera Records) -- informed, seemingly, by Flaco Jiminez, the Gypsy Kings, and PJ Harvey, among others. Third time through, I think I love this record. Don and Matt MUST hear it.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 20 April 2005 14:15 (nineteen years ago) link

(Plus Patricia looks totally Aterciopelados/Santa Sabina-goth en espanol on the cover despite almost all the songs being in English, and track #10 has saxes wailing like crazy all through. I'd heard her earlier stuff, which was okay, but never hinted she'd ever make an album this great; in fact, I didn't even keep any of those records.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 20 April 2005 14:22 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, I heard one of patricia's early albums; remember thinking it was okay. would like to hear this one for sure. jett williams, Hank's daughter, is gonna release a spanish(y perhaps "latin," re arrangement) version of "mansion on the hill" in may (see jettwilliams.com)

don, Sunday, 24 April 2005 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link

As I already posted (verbatim) on the Cowboy Troy thread, "I am liking the album a lot; the guy is a total fucking cornball, but so what, that only makes him better. In at least one cut he sounds surprisingly like Bubba Sparxxx. The last cut on the album, where he raps in several languages especially Mandarin Chinese while Big Kenny sings the chorus to "Jesus Loves the Little Children of the World," is tailor made for Radio Disney, who I bet will play it like crazy if anybody brings it to their attention. (Lots of French, too. Last line on album: "Shake a hand, don't raise a fist," something like that.) Also Tim McGraw is one cut, and there's one Tejano move...."

Also, Jamie O'Neal album on now. Track 8; I have liked at least five songs so far, a pretty awesome batting average already. My only complaint is that the record company sent me the dance remix CD single of "Altantis" (which may well be great; haven't listened yet) instead of the dance remix CD single of "Naive" that I requested.

xhuxk, Thursday, 28 April 2005 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Van Zant album finally kicking in for me, too.

And the Duhks rocked live -- I actually think the lead singer has a real good range, from hi lonesome down that bluesy low register. The drummer was pretty good except when he took a long boring extended solo (I can totally see them appealing to a jam band audience). High point: the rennaisance fairish song that, what with its pounding and stomping underneath, momentarily put me in the mind of Led Zeppelin.

xhuxk, Thursday, 28 April 2005 21:38 (nineteen years ago) link

rhyming man is and atlantis annoys.

anthony, Friday, 29 April 2005 01:07 (nineteen years ago) link

oh yeah, also, the duhks also told one of the best jokes i've ever heard a band tell on stage! they said they'd "married" their friends in the canadian agit-folk band The Mammals, and would now be called the Platypi! i totally guffawed out loud, but i think i was just about the only person at joe's pub who got it.

xhuxk, Friday, 29 April 2005 12:22 (nineteen years ago) link

that's pretty good, but it doesn't beat the Del Fuegos show at the Harvard Freshman Union in 1984 when Dan Zanes said that his brother got fired from the orange juice factory because he couldn't concentrate

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 29 April 2005 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I found a stash of gospel recs at a yd sale for $1.00 total! But they're on the Oral Roberts label, and the holes keep healing up.

don, Saturday, 30 April 2005 02:52 (nineteen years ago) link

HOLY FUCK does "4th of July" by Shooter Jennings ever kick ass coming out of a commercial country station on a car radio. I think he may have just passed up Dierks for my single of the year spot. Even if he does kinda sing a little bit like Billy Ray Cyrus (which is what I thought about Toby Keith, too, the first couple times I heard "How Do Ya Like Me Now" so many years back.)

But okay, another question: Who does the (I assume current) country hit with a high ethereal male voice saying the same borderline-incomprehensible thing over and over again over what sounds *exactly* like a loop of a great guitar progression from "Hollywood Nights" by Bob Seger (which *maybe* a little "Night Moves" tossed in, I'm not sure.) I really really really need to know.

xhuxk, Saturday, 30 April 2005 23:36 (nineteen years ago) link

i finally heard bumper on my svu--and its so passive agressive, i mean at least with toby keith its all fuck you im angry, this is so cold, so vicous, so much of an evisceration--but also i think dishonest.

has anyone heard how do you get so lonely, im not sure who did it, but its this 18 yr old kid talking about a classmate who killed him self, and its so matter of fact, refuses to talk about god, refuses to engage in chap sentiment, the music is really simple and hte voice is amazing--its haunted me, it makes me umcomforatble to listen to, because of its power.

anthony, Sunday, 1 May 2005 22:33 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.americasupportsyou.mil/--also it is the first song on the musical section of this website, a collection of videos which might be politcally if not musically interesting.

anthony, Sunday, 1 May 2005 22:35 (nineteen years ago) link

download, from that site, frontline christian wish from bekah lewis, its insanely over the top, with the immortal lines As I lay me down this Christimas night/I Pray my dad will be alright/Hes In a Land where there is no christmas/only violence and fear and goes from there

is it wrong to laugh at a twelve year old--its the most epic car wreck of cliches and mawkish sentiment.

anthony, Sunday, 1 May 2005 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link

"Bumper sticker" being maybe "dishonest": reminds me of reading a comment by the Music Rower who wrote "ERA", back when that was the big Feminazi threat to Country Values. He said he didn't necessarily agree with the song, but "I got the idea, and I just had to write it." Make of that what you will, and then apply to it to Bekah's record.Blaine Larsen (18 years old, but looks like he has to shave less out often than Bekah does) does the teen suicide song yr asking about, which is good, but his video's setting (inside the cars of a funeral procession)got unwatchable real quick

don, Monday, 2 May 2005 01:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Edd Hurt's review of Blaine Larsen's album should be up at villagevoice.com within a day or two (along with Frank Kogan's review of Deanna Carter, which is already up there, and Anthony Mariani's review of Miranda Lambert.)

Not sure whether *Car Wash* by the Howling Diablos (from Detroit, apparently Kid Rock pals whose previous album struck me as too stodgy or minstrely or something) belongs on this thread or the metal thread, but there is no badass early-ZZ/John Lee boogie thread, so I will plug it here regardless. Title track is the best song about working at the car wash since the one by Rose Royce. My other two favorite tracks so far are "Mean Little Town" and, bizarrely, "Elvis Lives." I wish their singer had a smidgen more personality in his voice, but given the guitarist and drummer, I can live with it.

Have also been trying to appreciate *The Essential Poco,* too, but too no avail. As Eagle-lites go (whether they initially predated the Eagles or not), I'd say I prefer Firefall (who I've never had much use for). And as recent '70s afternoon-rock comp CDs go, Little River Band's blows this one out of the water. I hardly remember ever hearing any of these on the radio, either -- maybe "Crazy Love" and "Heart of the Night" (with its cryptic reference to "the Ponchatrain," which I still think of as a hotel in Detroit, where I first heard the song on the radio). Anyway, Don or Edd or whoever, am I missing something with these guys? I think the first edition of the Rolling Stone Record Guide (the grades in which George Smith says should only be trusted in reverse) gave one of their albums (the debut?) five stars out of five, but I'm not hearing much anything here that holds my attention at all. So...am I just not trying??

xhuxk, Monday, 2 May 2005 12:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Speaking of *Essential* best-ofs: There was a pretty good one by Jerry Reed (reportedly along with Charlie Daniels one of Cowboy Troy's seminal country-rap inspirations while growing up by the way) a few years ago, which kinda negates any need for the new 10-song, apparently recently recorded *Jerry Reed Live, Still,* though I suppose the latter could serve as a decent ad-hoc quickie best-of if you're having trouble finding the studio versions. Seems to concentrate on his more rappy songs, and one or two of the versions may even have more energy than the originals did. Don, I'm gonna send you my copy, I think.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 15:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Jerry Reed is great, for sure. Always loved "Amos Moses."

I can't figure out what that song is with the Seger-isms, Chuck, I've been listening but haven't heard it yet. I'm still way into some of that Keith Anderson CD, especially "XXL," which is rockin' my world.

Poco--I never really cared for 'em myself. Pretty much lacking in detail compared to Mike Nesmith or Brewer and Shipley, even, or Firefall or even the New Riders of the Purple Sage, or Pure Prairie League, or John Phillips. Pallid, poco indeed. I think all the drugstore cowboys of circa 1971 were fine as long as they were worrying about living in L.A., got intolerable when they hied off for the wide open spaces and started working on those harmonies.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 16:52 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, for .99 I got this wacky and kind of great country LP from '69, Diana Trask sings Joe Tex songs, produced by Buddy Killen and with the same musicians and arrangements except she sings and there's a harmonica where a horn might've been for Tex. Pretty amusing and actually not bad at all, "Miss Country Soul," and Diana comes from Australia.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link

oops dave q inspired me to post this on the wrong c&W-year thread:

Shooter Jennings "4th of July" vs. X "4th of July" vs. Martina McBride "Independence Day" vs. um., whatever the Springsteen and Van Morrison ones were called

xhuxk, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 17:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Or - taking a slightly different tack, the topic being Love Goes To Building On Fire - Martina McBride "Independence Day" vs. Miranda Lambert "Kerosene."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link

or miranda lambert "kerosene" vs. big black "kerosene"

(i'd take miranda's, since hers rocks harder.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 22:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never heard a whole Jerry Reed album; looking fwd to it xxhuxx. Butt Poco!? You're asking meee? Do I seem like I'd be all into their secret essence, and could lay it on you, or would try? I guess Richie Furay did some nice stuff in Buffalo Springfield ("Kind Woman," for instance).I liked X's countryish/Mellenish(angus/angst) one about "Hey baby, it's the Fourth of July," although its author, Dave Alvin, was not that great a replacement for Exene, when it came to singing the chorus with John Doe (Reminds me, isn't that John in the video of Kathleen Edwards'"I got ways to make you coomme,back"? That song is the most awesome Lucinda imitation since Julie Roberts' "Break Down Here", seriously!) My favorite Fourth of July reference is in "Walkin' The Dog," "jumped so high that he hit the sky, didn't come back til the Fourth of July." Creedence's "I remember the Fourth of July, runnin' through the backwoods bare" seems a little too American Studies(okay, so it didn't at the time)Seems like Van's "Almost Independence Day" was good, if "almost" counts, eh men

don, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link

this is fun--WSM's Eddie Stubbs is doing a pre-release interview thing with Dierks Bentley right now, playing his new album "Modern Day Drifter" and talking to Dierks. He sounds smart--talking about how he makes his records with a "bluegrass mentality," no pianos or organs. Drawing comparisons between his approach to using guitars and the way Buck Owens and Don Rich used them. I'm addicted to his record, actually--"Lot of Leavin' Left to Do" is sure one great single and sounds good on AM...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 23:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Newest country album I'm infatuated with (I'm up to amost a couple a week this year, aren't I, wow): Bering Strait, who are from Russia, and whose album is coming out on Universal this summer I guess. I've heard *of* them for years (do they have many albums over there?), but never heard them before. They sound pretty darn mid '70s Fleetwood Mac so far, and they even cover "You Make Lovin Fun" to prove it.

xhuxk, Thursday, 5 May 2005 15:44 (nineteen years ago) link

...well, the FAIRPORT CONVENTION side of mid '70s Fleetwood Mac, anyway. (They had one, right? Lindsey Buckingham must have liked him some Richard Thompson now and then, I'm sure.) (I'd say the Dixie Dregs side of Fleetwood Mac, too, but I don't think they had one.) (Anyway, wouldn't it freak out Joanna Newsome and Stephen Malkmus if the first psychedelic-folk/rural-prog-revial band to hit big in the States hit through the COUNTRY charts? It could happen, folks.)

xhuxk, Friday, 6 May 2005 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I like a few things from this Donna the Buffalo album "Life's a Ride," not exactly country, more like gentle Dead-reggae-bluegrass with NPR political lyrics. Not my usual cup of green tea, but "Rockin' Horse" grooves along nicely as does "Greatest Love."

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 6 May 2005 16:47 (nineteen years ago) link

(so edd, are you going to the CMA Festival in Nashville next month? I've never been to a country music *festival*)Duhks also remind me a bit of Fairport ca. self-titled (AKA What We Did On Our Vacation), re use of tablas etc. I raved about Tara Nevins' solo album upthread, but was frustrated by D the B's Postive Friction, mainly cos Jeb's vocals kept not putting over over-anxious "postive" lyrics. On this new un, he's frankly bleaker, and his voice is kind of dynamically beat down, like the Mollys' Catherine Zavala could put across the persona of an ornery ol woman with the throat of Marriane Faithful, but also with CZ's own youthful energy. Jeb's not *that sparky, but he doesn't have to be, cos he got a natural frontperson in Tara, who sounds a bit like Emmylou, but not too much. The band seems too cautious, maybe cos they're mostly new? (Tara plays close to the vest also, though she was known as one of the best pickers of the original lineup) Main exception is the only other surviving vet, drummer Tom Gordon, who continues to cultivate his holdnins. But: if the Duhks could sing like Tara and Jeb, and swing like Dierks' band, and keep their own mix of origninals, covers, and percussion, then we would reallly have something.

don, Friday, 6 May 2005 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm tryin' to wangle a way to go to CMA. I missed the CMT award thingie, unfortunately.

The two songs I mentioned from Donna the Buffalo are the only two that grabbed me. I like the sly swing of this group at their best, and yeah, the lyrics are a bit too good-liberal for me, and I'm a good liberal. The great thing about the Dierks record is indeed the swing, and the way they use what might be dorky bluegrassy instrumentation in new ways. In the radio interview I heard with Dierks, he talked a lot about how careful he was in mixing that record, and how important the sonic mix between, say, the banjo and the electric guitars are. But at their best, Donna the Buffalo are getting there, I think.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 7 May 2005 00:36 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah i need to get back to Dierks,mebbe his voice will grow on me (some more); def dig his production x band, anyway. And, although I'm not that big on bluegrass per se, that Tara Nevins solo album was pretty exciting. Wonder how they (the prev. D the B lineup) are backing Jim Lauterdale on that album of his songs (wonder if it incl. any of the ones he wrote with Robert Hunter)

don, Sunday, 8 May 2005 04:10 (nineteen years ago) link

ha ha, there is a song on this hot apple pie album that totally reminded me of lionel richie in his "stuck on you"/"sail on" soul-country mode. i'm not sure which song, though; i wasn't paying attention to track numbers. ("easy does it," maybe? that'd be funny.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 11 May 2005 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Lionel said that on "Sail On" he tried to sound like Bob Dylan (just got the Hot Apple Pie, I'll go have a taste thanxxhuxx)

don, Thursday, 12 May 2005 00:20 (nineteen years ago) link

on my way to Hot Apple Pie, got diverted by Jessi Alexander and her hub Jon Randall (a few Choice Cuts on each, especially hers, when the arrangements don't get a little too insistent about how sensitive this all is, and wasn't country rock wonderful, once upon a time?). Also diverted by Miranda Lambert, who can really write. This is *her* testimony, even if the stories are actually based on those of her (private detective) parents' clients, as she says. I hate to bring it up already, but she's in my 2005 Top Ten, with LeeAnn, Deana, Shelly Fairchild, and Big Kenny.(Now to see about Hot Apple Pie)

don, Friday, 13 May 2005 04:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Hot Apple Pie, my-my and also eeeewwwww. A couple of semi-promising Hee Haw-esque uptempos on top, and later on "Redneck Revolution" may even be a parody of the usual thing with this kind of title, but is also sincere-seeming enough, and dig the inclusive "we don't give a damn, about race or religion," so, as with "Hillbillies" and "We're Makin' Up," some thought of Big & Rich opening slot or coat tails? Growling about how when they see that Yankee Man, gon' "stick a beer in his hand," maybe they're gonna open a club called the Redneck Revolution? Would be better than a career built on their (many) B minus studies of the Band/Lionel Ritchie/Lonestar/Toto (maybe a couple of such tracks kinda work, but)

don, Friday, 13 May 2005 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, i kinda got the same idea. not even sure yet if i like the one where they get the phonecall from some gal who wants to interview them for rolling stone....and the single is almost as icky as it is bouncy. (whatever became of jimmy ray, anyway?) so...i dunno yet.

xhuxk, Friday, 13 May 2005 22:19 (nineteen years ago) link

the phone call (third track into their debut set, after the opening Hee Hawups, as in raveups, they're *already* looking fwd to looking back, so they can mourn how that Rolling Stone gal [and "righteous babe]" lured them out to Kalifornication, from which they were barely and Ah mean barely able to craw back under the barn) would be a classic of Unintentional Comedy, or at least funnier than the Hee Hawin', *if* they were better only a little better at the pseudo-LoneStar harmonies(B-minus, boyz)

don, Friday, 13 May 2005 23:40 (nineteen years ago) link

"easy does it" is indeed the richie-esque track, and i would like it even if that wasn't its name; also like the band-esque one later on about crossing the great divide to arkansas or wherever. and some other stuff. not sure about the willie duet -- it just sounds like a willie duet, basically. also not sure about the redneck revolooter. but where did you hear toto, don? anywhere specifically? or just kinda all over?

two good new superstar singles:

shania, "i ain't no quitter" or whatever it's called. WESTERN SWING, for real. not some cheap imitation. who is the band playing on this? that ain't just mutt. lovely.

toby (at least i assume it's toby -- sure sounded like him, damn he's an amazing singer, but the DJ didn't say), the one where he's in a bar and two, um, swedish twins or whatever they are hit on him but though his ego is willing he's older now and his body ain't what it used to be: sounded great, the one time i heard it. also extremely good-humored, so rob sheffeld must've missed it when he wrote his rolling stone of the album. but i will forgive rob, if only for his hilarious joke in the same issue about Ratt's singer becoming the pope.

xhuxk, Sunday, 15 May 2005 11:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Not to entirely disparge Hot Apple Pie, though; they do appear to have a quite funky bassplayer, when he or she wants to be. That bassline in the single kinda kills -- "Spiders and Snakes," maybe? That's the closest I can come to it.

xhuxk, Sunday, 15 May 2005 11:57 (nineteen years ago) link

The Toto bit re proficient musos whose self-critical sense (def incl the results of singing lessons) and overall convincing/engaging projection of purposefulness don't match their chops. I don't wanna say chops vs. soul; they seem sincere enough, but too often icky. The Band are not good role models; they were too idiosyncratic for these guys to really follow, especially popwise, and often (not always)pretty shambolic in the studio, past Big Pink and the self-titled. Much more impressive backing/interacting with Dylan (and other heavy friends, on Last Waltz, or those horn players on Rock Of Ages). Toto was also better off backing others (didn't do it billed as "Toto," though, and there were usually other studio pros involved). The same might be true of these guys (re resume, again), but the Willie duet isn't up to his usual, not nearly. I do kinda like the Arkansas track too(as well as the uptempo ones), and the one that might have vocoder as or with jew's harp at the beginning?

don, Sunday, 15 May 2005 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

*Grass Roots: The Best of New Grass Revival* (EMI/Capitol): Just a note to say that I made it through almost three songs of this thing. Yucko: Never heard them before, I don't think; hope I never do again.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 May 2005 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link

today on Popmatters I review the Charlie Poole box set.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 16:32 (nineteen years ago) link

So the Toby Keith song I mentioned a couple posts ago is called "As Good As I Once Was," according to the new issue of Billboard.

And here is George Smith, via email; who is the na-na-na-na lady?

>I've been watching CMTV over the past couple months and it's the
triumph of the legacy of Bad Company. Bad Company never sounded very
British. The whole idea was to get rid of the Brit music hall "sound" of Mott the Hoople and the "blooz boom" thing of Free for the American arena. And that's what they did and so the big country hits acts all have drummers who sound like Simon Kirke (thump! [bass drum] bang! {snare shot} thump! bang! repeat at mid tempo) and everyone, excluding the Telecaster crowd, has the Bad Company guitar thang -- Les Pauls. "Straight Shooter" was a goddamn modern country album with really loud guitars, for cryin' out loud.

Even after Rogers left and the hacks were hired for "Holy Water"-era
Bad Company, big country USA sounds even closer to that model. What's the chick's name who does that song that end with the long outro "na-na-na-na"-- man, she is so Bad Company. And all the guitar players look like Boz and Simon, they wear black T-shirts and jeans and all have a slight stubble and and are basically short to medium height so the girls who aren't sure of their sexual allures re the "star" can think they surely could win the sidemen over backstage.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 18 May 2005 14:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I sort of like that Bobby Pinson hit, "Don't Ask Me How I Know." I've heard people compare him to Steve Earle and Chris Knight, neither of whom have ever killed me, but who knows? Maybe he's got potential.

xhuxk, Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link

More importantly: I finally realized last night that the Eagles song that "My Give a Damn's Broken" sounds like isn't an Eagles song per se' at all but rather "Dirty Laundry" by Don Henley. (The words are still exactly the same as "Get Over It," though. Not an awful thing.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I figured this out
about a week ago too!
(I still like it lots.)

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Lisa Marie covers "Dirty Laundry" on her new album, which I'd like to hear. The first one was a bit mumbley, but she did a good, almost hour-long set on "Soundstage"(PBS, so no attention-span relief via commercials; you gotta keep me hangin' on). Now to check that Poole review (Sanneh put him with Cowboy Troy)

don, Thursday, 19 May 2005 22:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I might change my mind radically, but right now I'm enjoying this all-covers album by the Kentucky Headhunters I just got. "Big Boss Man" and "You Win Again" and rock's greatest six minutes redux, "Like a Rolling Stone." Sony Music Publishing sent the band a lot of the songs they publish and the band picked 'em. I think Buck Owens's "Made in Japan" might be the best one, but I'm not sure. And having just finally listened to that Faces box yesterday while driving around Nashville, I think it sounds a lot like the Faces. No Beach Boys cover a la the Faces, but that's Sony's fault and what the fuck.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 19 May 2005 22:46 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost Oh yeah, I like that Charlie Poole review; I gotta get me some of that, as Cowboy Troy advised.I thought the the last, Memphis-Muscle Shoals-proud Headhunters set was mostly stolen by the covers, and sure wished they (and ZZ Top, and a lot of other folks) would do more. So, if they wanta sing the Sony Catalog, fine by me.

don, Friday, 20 May 2005 04:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I've heard people compare him to Steve Earle and Chris Knight

Yeah, but only their lamest stuff. C'mon, that song is stoopid. (Altho it does have a sense of humor, which is something Chris Knight doesn't and Steve Earle doesn't enough. But being kinda funny isn't really enough.)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 20 May 2005 04:49 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost the xpost Poole review I liked was the one at Popmatters;check it out.

don, Friday, 20 May 2005 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

is the new toby keith worth it?

anthony, Friday, 20 May 2005 23:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Depends what "it" means. (Actually, I haven't heard it yet.)

New Nickel Creek, due in August: I definitely like track #10, "Best of Luck." Maybe "Somebody More Like You," "Scotch & Chocolate." "Doubting Thomas," and/or "Helena," too.Maybe more than that. Maybe not. I probably won't like it as much as James Hunter (who says it is great) does, though. But they really do have their own sound that's nobody else's, I have no doubt that James is right about that. I just wonder if there is too much indie-rock in it sometimes. (No Pavement covers this time, though. Also, are they a Christian band? I forget.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 21 May 2005 15:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Does the new Nickel Creek rock out a little more? I thought the Alison Krauss production on the first one kind of killed them, they're a lot more fun live.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 21 May 2005 15:20 (nineteen years ago) link

(I never actually listened to the 2nd one, 'cuz Alison produced it too -- I love A.K., but her tastes as a producer are questionable)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 21 May 2005 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, "Best of Luck" rocks out, at least. And the instrumental "Scotch & Chocolate" definitely gets jiggy with it. Lots of the rest (even the songs that I've been reacting favorably to) seems kinda quiet and spare, but oddly enough not in a way that bugs me too much; in fact, I may actually like the spareness sometimes. Plus I just started listening to it; will toss out more opinions once I have them.

xhuxk, Saturday, 21 May 2005 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link

for me it's Dallas Wayne and Hacienda Bros. in a neck-and-neck type situation; shame about Dan Penn/Spooner Oldham being too much in love with the past though, WTH

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 21 May 2005 16:55 (nineteen years ago) link

the twenty or so dollars i will have to spend, because i dont get free cds, even if i try to review them for todd

anthony, Saturday, 21 May 2005 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link

frank kogan listed the country teasers last year in his country top ten (and i believe also his real life top ten), but the most country things i've noticed on their new live album (which i like quite a bit) are the few and far between parts that sound sort of like the mekons circa *mekons aka devils rats and piggies* and the *english dancing master EP*. the covers of the butthole surfers, brainbombs, randy newman, and the beatles do not qualify for this thread, i don't think; nor does the mark e smith style rant about the prettiest slave on the slave ship, who is always willing to offer up his arms and ass to the other slaves (hey wait, didn't frank quote the stones' slave ship song on his country ballot a couple years ago? well there you go.) all in all the album probably belongs more on the METAL thread -- which is also where george smith, it should be noted, chose to praise the new kentucky headhunters album. which suggests maybe they've finally earned their name, and i really want to hear that album on the basis of george's and don's raves, BUT i didn't get sent one, even though i gave the publicist george's and don's' (and frank's for that matter) addresses. SOOOO....Don, could you email me the publicist info from your headhunters press kit? I need to bug them for a copy, I think. Thanks!

xhuxk, Sunday, 22 May 2005 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Oops, I meant Edd's KH rave above not Don's! I gave them Edd's eddress, too. Though Don if you do have the info, you can email it to me too, if you want.

xhuxk, Sunday, 22 May 2005 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

And speaking of country-metal: What Edd DID send me already (thanks!) was a couple copies of a freebie local rag called *Nashville Music Guide,* which included (among other things) this intriguing newsbit: "Rocker Ron Keel, the ex-lead singer for Black Sabbath, has teamed up with the Bullet Boys's ex-lead singer Charlie Wayne to form one of the newest and most exciting country duo acts to come out of Nasvhille i a long time.....info: www.keelandwayne.com"

Also might check out the Nasvhille Music Guide-touted, allegedly "sax and bass horn"-augmented website of St. Louis combo the Well Hungarians ( www.wellhungarians.net ) one of these days, if I remember to do so.

xhuxk, Sunday, 22 May 2005 21:56 (nineteen years ago) link

oops, i meant the BAND is allegedly sax-and-horn augmented, not their website! (though the latter might be cool, actually.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 22 May 2005 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link

so i got the new toby keith--and it really hates women doesnt it, has anyone done any work on the fact that he seems to be really misogynst (its the same thing i thot about brad paisley--this cult of domestic, women as wives or whores, but with keith he cannot even seem to respect the wives.)

anthony, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 09:37 (nineteen years ago) link

that never occured to me at all, anthony (which is not to say you're necessarily wrong.) can you give examples? he has definitely done a few songs with women in them that are pretty great, over the years.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 13:51 (nineteen years ago) link

One thing I'm noticing about my country listening this year is that some of the more alt-country-leaning stuff I've liked (Duhks, Donna the Buffalo, Patrcia Vonne for instance) winds up being shelved for future reference after initially knocking me out (maybe I'm just impressed that alt-country finally seems to be acknowledging that music should have some rhythm in it?), whereas the stuff that keeps growing on me and revealing new things about itself seems mostly to be from Nasvhille (which is dancing more than it used to these days as well, obviously.) So my top ten, as usual, will inevitably wind up being more pop than alt, again. But nobody can say I didn't try for the other side.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link

regardless, for whatever it's worth:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0521,dozen,64242,22.html

xhuxk, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link

you haven't lived until you've seen some good ol' boys and their objectified women flopping around to "Flash Light" followed by "Save a Horse," as I did when I stopped into Ugly's, this biker/karoke/sleaze-oid bar north of Nashville. The guy who runs it bought a trailer from my uncle and I needed to talk to him about it, and he ain't got a cellphone or anything. Something else indeed, and fun. I don't know about this Toby Keith question, but I find his latest video set in the bar pretty amusing, and he sure looks like one slack guy...

Glad you like the Nashville Music Guide, xhuxk. It's something else as well, and you should have seen it before they cleaned up the writing.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 15:13 (nineteen years ago) link

i wrote a stylus review about it, and i remember the inside fame article about how do you like me know but this one--the three songs that i wonder about, are As Good As I Once Was--which conflates violence and sex; Your Smile and the line You're Just A Queen looking for a crown, and the assumption that a woman has nothing better to do but wait for her man, save him from his own rambling ways in Where You Gonna Go.

I can find Brad Paisley sttuff as well, but my compact discs are in victoria.

anthony, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 17:30 (nineteen years ago) link

i wrote a stylus review about it, and i remember the inside fame article about how do you like me know but this one--the three songs that i wonder about, are As Good As I Once Was--which conflates violence and sex; Your Smile and the line You're Just A Queen looking for a crown, and the assumption that a woman has nothing better to do but wait for her man, save him from his own rambling ways in Where You Gonna Go.

I can find Brad Paisley sttuff as well, but my compact discs are in victoria.
(little moments--which has always irked me to peices, because it treats his wife like a 6 yr old)

anthony, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link

>As Good As I Once Was--which conflates violence and sex;<

Well, so did every song Pat Benatar ever sang. But the Doublemint twins that the Tobester needs Viagra before he can consider going home with aren't the same as the the big guy who he wishes he didn't pick a fight with at the bar, right? (Or at least that what I *think* he's singing about - I heard the song once on the radio and saw the video once on TV, so I might be getting it wrong.) Also, wasn't the woman in "How Do Do You Like Me Now" a valedictorian in high school (just like in some Phil Vassar song around the same time)? Not sure offhand how he has contempt for her there either, but maybe I've blocked that from my memory. (By the way, I just realized that the words in "How Do Ya Like Me Now" are at least as close to "On Your Radio" by Joe Jackson as to "How Do Ya Like Me Now" by Kool Moe Dee; is that cool or what? Also, isn't there a new high school reunion song on the country charts now? I think I noticed it in Billboard, but I forget what it was.) (I will point out, though, that the girl in the "Whiskey Girl" video did not look anywhere near as "tough" as Toby said in the song. She just looked like a model! She should've looked like Whole Lotta Rosie instead.) (Anyway, I guess my bottom line is that Toby strikes me as pretty self-effacing, when you get down to it. Even when he does braggadocio about the college boys all went home for the summertime {like Thin Lizzy, only backwards!} and he's the real man in town, though, it implies that he had to wait until summer to take their place, right?) And especially when he's trying to get a word in edgewise between the medical charts and when she starts. None of it seems mean-spirited to me, for damn sure.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 17:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Er...."Stays in Mexico"? Well, maybe that one. She's a does-things-the-devil-wouldn't-do woman, with evil on her mind, she's gonna getcha from behind. I still love the song though. (Also, has anybody noticed how *curly* his hair is in his new video? Rob Sheffield was totally right about him spening more time tending to his jheri curls than all three Dixie Chicks put together; no doubt about that now.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link

i can take the crit about the first one, but the other two ?
one of the things that i wrote in the stylus reveiw, was that i found myself both challenged and enjoying his congenial misogyny, the last two songs really have broken the first half of that

anthony, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 20:48 (nineteen years ago) link

haven't heard the other two songs (or the rest of the album), anthony; will keep an open mind about toby's womanhate, though, and will let you know what i think if/when i do...

xhuxk, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link

ok, so maybe shania's new single isn't quite as western swing as i thought when i first heard it on the radio. i still like it, though. and i think "talking song repair blues" might be the best alan jackson hit ever (or close anyway), so maybe that makes up for it.

xhuxk, Thursday, 26 May 2005 00:43 (nineteen years ago) link

is that the one he messed up at the flame worthy awards

anthony, Thursday, 26 May 2005 06:41 (nineteen years ago) link

why do you hate question marks so much

(just teasing, anthony, but damn does people doing that on the internet drive my brain crazy.) (he says in all lower case letters.)

anyway. i never saw the flameworthies, though their name alone is worth of your gay country thread. what did alan do, forget to rhyme "chorus" with "thesaurus" or something?

my own question of the day: What is the deal with Trick Pony? Are they any good? Were they ever? I kinda don't mind their Bonnie Tyler cover CMT has been showing (sexy video, too, and somebody dies at the end) (though it'd be even better if it was a cover of "total eclipse of the heart" or, um i know, "bette davis eyes"!) But my REAL Trick Pony comment has to do with the fact that one of the guys in the band (in that video) sure does seem look (and even dress) a lot like Big Kenny. Is that a new thing? Or did he always look like that? Is it at all possible Trick Pony were proto-B&R? Would that explain why I kept thinking they were called Trick Daddy instead? I know nothing about them, and now I'm wondering if I should've been paying more attention.

and ps: speaking of Big Kenny, people know that the woman he married is his *stylist*, right? And the last couple photos I saw in Billboard had him looking somewhat more rugged and less flamboyant than in the past. Let's hope this is not an omen of things to come.

xhuxk, Thursday, 26 May 2005 14:29 (nineteen years ago) link

my review of the new toby keith wont go up on stylus--someone got to it first, but i could post it here ?

speaking of little kenny, has anyone seen the new photos of him hatless in LA, he looks like a fetus.

can we talk about Aaron Prichett ?

anthony, Thursday, 26 May 2005 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Lari White, *Green Eyed Soul* (on Skinny Whitegirl Records!) - probably the most *blatant* r&b move by a country artist since the Kentucky Headhunters called their previous album "soul," and I think I like it. It definitely beats the pants off that boring new Shelby Lynne album. My favorite track so far is "Eden Before the Fall." I don't remember much about Lari White otherwise, though she definitely had a country hit or two in the late '90s; Metal Mike Saunders taped one of her videos for me on a "country goes pop" VHS compilation he put together once (which was also the first time I ever noticed Toby Keith or Kenny Chesney by the way), but I forget what the song was.

xhuxk, Friday, 27 May 2005 13:39 (nineteen years ago) link

KH called their previous album *Soul,* actually. (Still need to listen to their new one, which just showed up yesterday.)

xhuxk, Friday, 27 May 2005 13:46 (nineteen years ago) link

So OK, their new one. I wish all of it kicked and swung as hard as "Big Boss Man" does; that's the hardest rocking track I've heard by just about anybody in, oh, about a million years. I wish they didn't feel the need to cover two Hank Williams songs that any sane person is already sick of, and lots of other obvious country oldies which aren't far behind. I wish they didn't occasionally sound like they could have gone on a mid '90s zootzuit-revial tour with Royal Crown Revue and the Cherry Poppin Daddies. And if they had access to the Sony catalog, why didn't they dig up a few more hard rock songs? But "Made in Japan" and "Don't It Make You Wanna Go Home" sound really good, and I'm sure more tracks will click in as time goes by.

xhuxk, Friday, 27 May 2005 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

KH--do they have zoot suits in Edmonton, Kentucky? Anyway, after living with this one for about a week, I'm kind of iffy about it, still like the title track and the Buck Owens song. But yeah, if they had access to all those songs, maybe they just got sick of the whole thing early on.

I don't know much about Trick Daddy. I sort of like that video too--it is sexy--and they sound good. I'm intrigued. I have to see this upcoming CMT special about strange country moments--footage of Bill Anderson's disco song--and I have to find out why they flashed a picture of Sonny Boy Williamson in the promo spot.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link

lan Jackson is the best example of countryist, a historically minded obsession with purity mars the rest of his music and this is the latest example, after examples like Gone Country (which, even with the huge sales, seems horribly outdated), Chasing that Neon Rainbow (which is why the j-pop cover has a certain perverse genius), and Murder on Music Row (with George Strait, a fellow purist). The song in question is a talking blues and he?s been doing story songs like that, even if he isn't talking about what happens when pop starts taking over Nashville.

This one's weird though, it's also a template for making the perfect country song, and a mockery of everyone who thinks they can do it. It is a mechanical paean to the power of a good hook and that, said it sounds it. No real energy, no rambunctious joy?just a barely disguised fuck you.

Alright, what happens here is that Alan Jackson brings his work to a mechanic, who told poor Alan that his car repairs would take nine hundred bucks, after spending the entire verse cataloging everything that could be wrong with his car?the chorus starts and it's supposed to be a sing-along, but it's sort of anemic, and he harmonica is perfunctory.

The mechanic sings?and then Alan Jackson talks about how badly written the song is, about too many adverbs and verbs that are too weak, well that works, that's easy writing advice if you are bob Dylan or Britney Spears. Where it gets weir ,are the next lines. The most technical explicit discussion of the actual transcribing and writing of music I have ever encountered, it's studio notes from the guitar gnomes of Nashville made public.

Do you think that anyone who listens to country knows what ?it?s got so many dotted eighth notes in it? or the importance of ?50 beats per minute? or how many ?augmented chords? are too much. He then charges the mechanic a hundred bucks more then the car?proving to the world that mechanical, technical craft is needed and a form of skilled labour, like carpentry or being a rigpig?something that blue collar, but just a little more special, a hundred bucks more special, really. Smarmy shit all around, and not as humble as he needs to be.

from nypm

Anthony Easton, Monday, 30 May 2005 10:47 (nineteen years ago) link

J. D. Blackfoot's "Yellowhand." If he were a young man and this were on something from the industry with muscle, not a label out of Christchurch, NZ, you'd think it belonged in the country rock, emphasis on rock, charts. "The Renegade" -- best noble rebel outlaw horse song, ever. Maybe the only the one, too. Drums by Corky Laing, which add real thump. Also qualifies as rock opera about a horse and an eagle who detested Custer.

George Smith, Monday, 30 May 2005 13:47 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, I saw the spot again, for country firsts show, and it's DeFord Bailey with the harmonica, not Rice Miller. It looked like Sonny Boy there for a second first time I saw it. Whew.

That's pretty funny on Alan Jackson, actually. I wonder if anyone's ever done a "Star Making Machinery" kinda book on making of a Nashville album (that book's about Commander Cody trying to make a commercial album)? I heard Dierks Bentley say he made his latest album in 10 days, and I thought that might be atypical, but people tell me the typical Nashville album is made in maybe 2 weeks...

CMT roundup was great last night--Big Kenny's having a baby. Garth proposed to Tricia on stage! Shania rolls out her new fragrance line.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 30 May 2005 13:53 (nineteen years ago) link

But "Made in Japan" and "Don't It Make You Wanna Go Home" sound really good, and I'm sure more tracks will click in as time goes by.

"I'm Down." The rhythm guitars get a great freight train going. And there's a classic rock shred in the outro.

George Smith, Monday, 30 May 2005 14:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i am in the unusual circumastance of mostly only getting to hear the last 15 seconds of country songs at work, but that alan jackson song is great.

btw chuck lonestar does "that used to be us (class reunion)"

tatersalad, Monday, 30 May 2005 14:13 (nineteen years ago) link

post that Keith review here, Anthony, I'd like to see it - someone's gotta put a stop to that Inskeep fella, he's snatching up all the pop-country left and right! i was lucky to get the Shelly Fairchild review when I did.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Monday, 30 May 2005 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link

FWIW, this week's Billboard Country Charts:

COUNTRY ALBUMS
1 Honkytonk University — Toby Keith
2 Loco Motive — Cowboy Troy
3 Feels Like Today — Rascal Flatts
4 Be Here — Keith Urban
5 Modern Day Drifter — Dierks Bentley
6 Twice the Speed of Life — Sugarland
7 Here for the Party — Gretchen Wilson
8 The Right to Bare Arms — Larry the Cable Guy
9 Delicious Surprise — Jo Dee Messina
10 Get Right with the Man — Van Zant

COUNTRY SINGLES
1 Making Memories of Us — Keith Urban
2 Songs About Me — Trace Adkins
3 Lot of Leavin’ Left to Do — Dierks Bentley
4 Homewrecker — Gretchen Wilson
5 Fast Cars and Freedom — Rascal Flatts
6 What’s a Guy Gotta Do — Joe Nichols
7 My Give a Damn’s Busted — Jo Dee Messina
8 You’ll Be There — George Strait
9 That’s What I Love About Sunday — Craig Morgan
10 Something More — Sugarland

Huk-L, Monday, 30 May 2005 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link

gah sugarland!

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 30 May 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

is everyone down with that?

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 30 May 2005 20:57 (nineteen years ago) link

a few updates/ammendments/changes of mind/etc:

-- forget the new nickel creek album. "best of luck" is the only even *possibly* great track on it, and i'm not even positive about that one. the only other fast songs are instrumentals -- why are bluegrass bands these days so afraid of talking fast over fast jig rhythms like all the guys on that charlie poole box set used to? i think this might kinda be a problem with the duhks, too, actually.

-- though i still say no fucking way does the world need another version of "honky tonk blues," i have to admit now that the kentucky headhunters' rendition boogies WAY harder than i'd given it credit for above. not as hard as "big boss man", maybe, but close. now that i have the album in my random CD changer, more tracks than i would have expected are sinking in. including the dylan cover.

-- on the turntable right now: george strait's first MCA *greatest hits* album, from 1985, purchased recently for $1 cold cash at princeton record exchange. and it is way more western swing and warmer and less goody goody and more post-gary stewart and more proto-garth brooks than i'd remembered. though i still say george gotta way duller (and straiter) later. and the best track by far is still "amarillo by morning," as i predicted upthread. but i like way more tracks than i thought i would.

-- also like way more tracks (including dylan cover) on jason and scorchers' *fervor* EP, which i just listened to for the first time in years if not decades. they really could rock; the guitars in "both sides of the line" really crank it up. but i think the track i'll spin at my next DJ gig will be "help there's a fire", for its totally unexpected b-52s and devo influence ("find me a POP-sicle, take her to the DIS-co") not to mention its proto-cowboy troy hick-hop vocal cadence.

xhuxk, Saturday, 4 June 2005 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

(ok, actually, maybe more proto-big kenny than proto-cowboy troy. but still..)

anthony, post the darn toby review already! you don't need to ask us permission (i don't think. actually, i never read the rulebook.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 4 June 2005 22:57 (nineteen years ago) link

i pitched it to matos, im going to wait a couple of days, and if he says no, then i will post it.

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 5 June 2005 01:03 (nineteen years ago) link

interesting cowboy troy related stuff:

http://deanesmay.com/posts/1117638206.shtml

http://www.deanesmay.com/posts/1117758173.shtml

his favorite songs:

http://plasticboy.com/archives/2005/05/17/2014/

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latest cmt = hard rock george smith email:

>...is the equiv of the Rick Springfield album from last year. Man, this shit rocks out on acoustic guitar. "Renegade" is the biker rock song of the year and it's about a horse jumping up and down on assholes until they're dead. I'd swear it was Nugent doing unplugged with a better sense for lyrics, story and dynamics. Easily in my top three slot. Nothing will dislodge it. It's also a natural for CMT -- actually superior to 98 percent of CMT. Proves you can make an album that is as good or which greases most commercial product. Note I am specifically speaking of the White Stripes.

As you know, Kentucky Headhunters is also maximally hard in places. "Big Boss Man" is difficult to top. No metal band, even the extreme ones, this year have attained the crunch, groove or density of it. My calculations have that record batting a solid .500. And the good songs are really great. However, "Hey Good Looking" and things like it are supremely awful and could have been left off.

And, fucking fuck, "Rock of Ages" [by Def Leppard -- ed.] is a grand compilation. There are four songs on it, which -- like Bad Company -- form a template for CMT acts, none of which are country at all, but American stadium rock. ("Let's Get Rocked" -- add Shania Twain fiddle and it's a Shania Twain tune; "Two Steps Behind -- no changes necessary; "Promises" -- very few changes necessary, less compression and -loudness- maybe, and "No Matter What".)

The Bad Company companions:

Sugarland -- straight Bad Company, Joe Dee Messina -- sounds like Don
Henley cops, Keith Urban -- "holy water" Bad Company; Erika Joe or whatever her name is on "I Break Things" which is -straight- Bad
Company, specifically "Movin' On."

It's also displaced hair metal, slightly diced with look and exclusion of guitar wank plus addition of fiddle and mandolin ( disguised to look like a teeny-sized acoustic guitar) mixed so low you can't hear it, only see it. And the Simon Kirke drum style applies with all. Def Lep drum style, too, after the guy lost his arm, which made him do a Simon Kirke imitation. (Listen to the change in cadence and complexity between when they sounded like AC/DC and Kix, and when the arm was cut off and they did the mega-stadium hits. This cannot be overlooked. Def's drummer completely abandoned rolls and syncopation -- he had to, he only had one arm -- but he
compensated with drama and swing, or Lange did.)

Rascal Flatts is Bon Jovi imitation except with a ham hock in place of the pretty boy. I like many of these acts but Flatts just plain suck. And Gretchen Wilson's "Party" song is shitty generic stadium hard rock. Everything Brooks and Dunn have done in the last year or two stinks, too. It's their picture in the dictionary next to the definition of phony.<


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Actually, I think he's right about Brooks & Dunn, believe it or not. Everything I've heard (four or so songs) by them since *Red Dirt Road* has been really lame; I'm always shocked by how much they bore me, since I liked that album so much. Are these recent singles all old outtakes that wound up on their best-of CD (which I have yet to see a copy of) or what?

While I'm add it, I will add that the debut album by teenager Erika Jo seem to promise real bubble-country potential, but most of it is a total snooze. "I Break Things," "Good Day" and the cover of "I'm Not Lisa" seem okay, maybe. But Killdozer did that last song way better.

TERRY ALLEN's *The Silient Majority (Terry Allen’s Greastest Missed Hits)* is quite entertaining, however (and also maybe old outtakes, judging from the title.)



xhuxk, Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:17 (nineteen years ago) link

oops, that george smith email should start like this:

"Yellowhand & Noka...is the equiv of the Rick Springfield album from last year. Man, this shit rocks out on acoustic guitar. ..."

and I meant to say:

"While I'm at it, I will add that the debut album by teenager Erika Jo seemed to promise real bubble-country potential.."

xhuxk, Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Weird, I hadn't noticed til now that George mentioned Erika Jo, too. But "I Break Things" definitely seems like the best and most rocking song on her album (which it leads off) (just like the lead track/title track of Miranda Lambert's *Kerosene* is the best and most rocking track on *her* album. But the rest of Lambert's album blows the rest of ERika Jo's out of the water.)

Do other people hate Sugarland? (Blount's "gah sugarland!" would suggest so, and I think Jon Caramanica told me he has no use for them, either.) What's not to like? I think they're pretty good!

xhuxk, Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

also erika jo's album has a weird, '70s-soft-rock (vaguely familiar melody from olivia newton-john, maybe? debby boone? no, probably not, but somebody like that) song called "there are no accidents" that i keep thinking is supposed to be a creepy sneaky argument for intelligent design. though no doubt i am reading it wrong. i hope.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link

that Terry Allen "Silent Majority" thing is outtakes, and seems to have been released back in '92--now Sugar Hill has his old stuff out, like "Lubbock on Everything" and "Juarez." Some of it I like, it's interesting that parts of it sound like Robert Wyatt in the Texas Panhandle. I'm also listening to Laura Cantrell's new one, which hasn't grabbed me...very nice, a little antiseptic but the leadoff track sorta combines girl-group feel with the usual folkie-isms. I was gonna say it's like Amy Rigby but it so far lacks the humor/detail of Rigby's stuff.

See that new Dwight Yoakam video "International Heartache" debuts CMT Thursday 6/9. I recently sat thru this Gram Parsons video tribute thing, with Keith Richards, Norah Jones, Dwight, Jay Farrar, Lucinda Williams. Strange, but of all of the songs Norah's version of "She" was about the best...and Dwight was pretty fine, the one person on the program truly up to Parsons, I think. Didn't hurt that the band featured Al Perkins on steel, and James Burton was playing too.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link

parts of the Sugarland album are kinda like the aural equivalent of an Oxygen network marathon - Gretchen and Shelly Fairchild and even Miranda Lambert give off a really cool take-no-shit vibe, but for some reason Sugarland just seems kind of harmlessly sassy in comparison. plus Jennifer Nettles' voice is a little too blues-mama belt-y for my tastes. I like "Tennessee" though.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Thursday, 9 June 2005 08:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Switching off and on last night and this morning between new albums by apparent Missourians the Domino Kings and the Morells (both on Hightone), and I think both of them get a thumbs-down, after four listens or so. Not horrible as alt-c&w goes, but when Van Zant came up third in my CD player by accident, it totally trounced them with its eyes closed and mine closed too. The Morrells have better tunes (including one song that sounds kinda like "Witchita Lineman" and one with surfish guitars and probably a rockabilly or two), but their singer is dull as dishwater. The Domino Kings guy sings better, but the songs are pretty nothing. I guess if forced to pick I'd take Domino Kings, but really I guess I'll take neither. (New Dwight Yoakam is good, though! I guess what Dwight does is what these guys wish they could.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 9 June 2005 11:50 (nineteen years ago) link

(domino kingser sings > than morrels dude i mean; neither sing {or tune} remotely as good as van zant. not sure if that was clear or not. now it is.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:00 (nineteen years ago) link

everyone correct in terms of ass-kickery by dierks bently and patricia vonne

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I've lived with the Bobby Pinson album a while, and I think it's really solid. His voice is scratchy and he gets a lotta flack around here for his wonky hat, but there's something really simple and focused about the record--unpretentious. I'm into "Way Down"--"way down in the bottom of the river there's a locket with a picture of me."

Cross-threading to the P&J '05 thread, I do think Charlie Poole will make it. Cowboy Troy, whose current song I think is kinda the best thing to come out in the wake of Musik Mafia--a gas, actually--and I'd sure like to think Deana Carter's flawed but great little album would make it.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 9 June 2005 13:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Erka Jo album kinda growing on me...boy, that was fast. "Going 'Til You're Gone" is a pretty good track, too. And she does one called "Strong Tonight" but I always think she's saying "Stoned Tonight" instead. So I'll keep it. But she's still no Miranda Lambert.

I'll keep the new White Stripes, too, even though it is almost definitely their dullest album, and a lot of it reminds me of when Drive-By Truckers made *their* snoozeful alt-country move last year.

xhuxk, Thursday, 9 June 2005 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

supposedly big&rich just put a cover version of "like a virgin" up on line a couple days ago. also, joseph mccombs just forwarded me this:

>

http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000954856

Edited By Jonathan Cohen. June 10, 2005, 11:00 AM ET

New Big & Rich Album Due In November


By Phyllis Stark, Nashville

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The sophomore album from high-voltage country duo Big & Rich will be released Nov. 8 on Warner Bros. The leadoff single is titled, appropriately enough, "The 8th of November."

John Rich tells Billboard.com it's a song he and partner Big Kenny wrote about a friend of theirs, a Vietnam vet who survived an ambush that killed most of his platoon on Nov. 8, 1965. Since that time, Rich says, every Nov. 8 the man "puts on a suit and goes out by himself, eats a steak dinner and drinks Jack Daniels to celebrate the lives of those killed that day."

Calling the man's story "epic," Rich says the song is "probably one of the best things Kenny and I have ever written."

This Nov. 8 will be the 40th anniversary of the ambush. Since it also happens to be a Tuesday, Rich says "all the stars were lining up" to make it the right release date for the album and the ideal first single.

Big & Rich's debut album, "Horse of a Different Color," reached No. 1 on Billboard's Top Country Albums chart in September 2004 after 16 weeks on the chart. The set, which also peaked at No. 6 on The Billboard 200, has sold 2.2 million copies in the United States, according to Nielsen SoundScan.

The duo's current tour drops in on Devol, Okla., tonight (June 10). The group will join Brooks & Dunn's summer North American tour in late July.<

xhuxk, Friday, 10 June 2005 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

What's significant about it being Tuesday?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 10 June 2005 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link

just "new release day"

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 10 June 2005 20:35 (nineteen years ago) link

I watched the Like a Virgin video the other night. It's OK. They slow it down, give it almost a Bowie/Eno feel, take liberties with the melody. But as I watched I kept trying to find reasons to like it; it certainly doesn't hit like the "Save A Horse" video. They seem a little too happy with themselves about their choice of cover songs.

Here's the link to the video:
http://music.yahoo.com/promo-18684304--smash

Sang Freud (jeff_s), Friday, 10 June 2005 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

so, who the hell is jason aldean? i just heard his redneck class anthem "hick town" twice, on the philly country station and the allentown one, on the way down to bucks county, and damn that is one heavy fucking riff that repeats again and again through the (quite funny as well) song. possibly the most sabbath sounding riff i've ever heard in a country hit, and it just keeps coming at you; it does not stop. is the rest of his stuff anywhere near this good? i never even heard of him before, until today. i assume he's new, but maybe not...

xhuxk, Saturday, 11 June 2005 03:30 (nineteen years ago) link

haha - yeah he really rides that riff don't he? dude looks disturbingly like jim thome, we might have another tug mcgraw situation on our hands.

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 11 June 2005 05:33 (nineteen years ago) link

also chuck i know you're not so crazy about country ballads in general but what's yr take on "if you don't wanna love me" - shit's UNDENIABLE!!!

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 11 June 2005 06:00 (nineteen years ago) link

okay, i didnt get any kind of sabbath fury from that at all--i mean its pretty hard for the chart, but nothing compared to the best of steve earle or billy joe shaver.

does anyone have any way of sending out the big and rich video so i could see it...

here is my toby keith review:
Toby Keith is popular because of his politics. The sun rises in the east. But also, his shrewdness explains why he isn’t slinging hash in some arctic rig camp. This new album moves from a combination of personal and geopolitics, to eleven cheating songs and a self-aggrandizing autobiographical single.
This is a shameful admission, but I generally like his genial misogyny, bulldog braggadocio, and the hickboy posturing. Sometimes the brain needs to shut off and the balls or guts engage. His best work is propulsively raw refusing to be nice. The lack of politeness, tact or bullshit is refreshing. This is not his best work. The misogyny is much less genial, the braggadocio is desperate, and he attempts to be clever--often failing.
The work here ranges from the patronizing (and he has never been patronizing to the women in his work—there is a violent wrestling for power and privilege which results in a respect for all sorts of power that is no longer here) to the overly simple to the ridiculous to the kinky (and not the good, libertines growl of his last big hit What Stays in Mexico).
The only thing that manages to retain any dignity is the Merle Haggard duet She Ain't Hooked on Me Now. A subtle love-as-addiction song which is infused with years of hard drinking, drugging, loving and criminality. There is hope for redemption in Haggard's voice-. The guitars are soft, the bass has a heart beat, and no one wails on the drums. Even Keith knuckles his voice under Haggard's immense power.
For that brilliance, we endure the half hearted and badly constructed. A rip-off of Kenny Chesney's island rhythms was recorded in Key West. He didn’t even have the dignity to go the extra hundred miles to the Caribbean. (As Good As I Once Was). There is a song that has about a dozen words including rhyming sad and bad. (I Got It Bad) . Those are just the lazy ones.
Then t here are the truly offensive ones. I thought Angry American was interesting, I recognized the anger that permeated Beer for My Horses Keith does a good job at offense. But lines like “Your just a queen/looking for a crown (from Your Smile) or he ran out of money/he’d run out of luck/he’d run out of gas in his pickup truck are diffent (From Where You Gonna Go) tell women “get in the kitchen, bitch”.
It is important to remember that Keith’s refusal of the sentiment surrounding marriage is one of his strengths. An attempt to change this is ludicrous. Having two separate songs where he works through a corrupted matrimonal ethic is not worth hearing.
The songs where he is glad to have women leave or not be around at all would be more interesting, if they didn’t seem intended to shock a mainstream audience,. As Good As I Once Was has a fuck or fight message that frightens, reflecting that a “rodeo:” threesome with twin sisters and a bar fight might require the same resources.
The slick, honky tonk sing along--She Left Me is very similar to the Texas Swing of You Ain't Leavin—except for the latter is country’s first leaving song alluding to hot tub full of drunken hotties. If this was based on a real time incident it should be filmed and spread all over on the web if it worked for Fred Durst imagine it for Keith.
Country needs it’s outlaws What offendeds then is a moving away from his powers and into something more cozy. He conceded and you can tell his discomfort. Which means a decision about how far he’s going to go, and what exactly what he wants to do with issues of marriage and women. Right now his ambiguity is fairly dangerous.

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 12 June 2005 03:42 (nineteen years ago) link

>pretty hard for the chart, but nothing compared to the best of steve earle or billy joe shaver. <

hmmm....which would be what? personally i've yet to hear a single steve earle or billy joe shaver song that rocks anywhere near as hard as the best tracks by montgomery gentry, big & rich, van zant, brooks & dunn, shania twain, miranda lambert, shooter jennings, dierks bentley, toby keith, or plenty of other artists currently on the chart. but it's very possible i've missed a few, so maybe you're right. but as george pointed out in his bad company comparison, chart country nowadays rocks *plenty* hard, in general - harder than any other genre i can think of at the moment. steve earle, meanwhile, has never rocked as hard, near as can tell, as I wish he did or as people give him credit for, and I've heard plenty of his records. I've heard less shaver, though. (yet sabbath *is* definitely an exagerration for aldean, regardless. what i mean, I guess, it that the "hick town" riff sound more heavy than hard --which is something new, somehow. I'm not yet sure how else to explain this...)

(never heard the ballad that j. blount mentioned above; who does it?)

xhuxk, Sunday, 12 June 2005 06:06 (nineteen years ago) link

>Toby Keith is popular because of his politics.<

This is a big exagerration, too - though his politics don't *hurt* his popularity, usually.

>the latter is country’s first leaving song alluding to hot tub full of drunken hotties. <

this reminds me that nobody here has yet mentioned that totally sleazy phil vassar hot tub hit (which sometimes I don't quite hate.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 12 June 2005 06:16 (nineteen years ago) link

guitar town comes to mind.

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 12 June 2005 06:19 (nineteen years ago) link

"Copperhead Road" rocks. It even has synthesizers pretending to be bagpipes! And "The Devil's Right Hand," too. But yeah, Steve's always been a folk-rocker at heart, I think. He's written some hella good songs, tho, rocking or not. Not everything has to rock, does it?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 12 June 2005 06:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, and his Pogues song, "Johnny Come Lately," that rocks in a Poguey way.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 12 June 2005 06:25 (nineteen years ago) link

and i mean politically in the femminist sense of the personal as political, i dont mean anything as explicit as the angry american stuff--though that is a huge part of it, i also mean the postioning himself outside of what was considered the mainstream, esp. in matters of sex.

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 12 June 2005 06:33 (nineteen years ago) link

*guitar town* is the only earle that ever even briefly really did anything for me (thanks to its sub-sub-mellencamp material i guess); remember being really disappointed by *copperhead road* because of its inability to be lynyrd skynyrd or something, though someday i'll try to check it out again. his last album was a total pile of worthess shite, and kenny chesney (and plenty of other nashvillians) do way less clunky fake calypso than the dumbass condaleeza song. so yeah -- "a folk rocker at heart," for sure, rocking just enough to convince NPR listeners and janene garafolo fans who don't mind that he's always been one of the worst singers on the planet. (and no, *everything* obviously does not have to rock; i was just answering anthony's earle vs alden as black sabbath claim. way up thread when i realize the earle and the dukes "duke of earl" connection i asked for earle reommendatons, and now i have them, thanks! so i'm not opposed to going back and investigating those old LPs again someday. have to admit i'm very skeptical though.) (and like i was saying, "chart country" vs. "alt country" is really no contest these days; if it's got much rock in it at all, seems like it'll end up on commercial radio and cmt. commercial country radio rocks harder than it *ever* has before, and probably as hard as any radio format at all since the '80s, if not '70s.) (though, as far as genres go, i dunno, maybe reggaeton or stoner-metal or ??? rock just as hard now, in a way? but i doubt it.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 12 June 2005 10:09 (nineteen years ago) link

(also, "who rocks harder?" questions are always pretty futile, anyway; i know that. which doesn't stop me from asking them fairly often, still...)

xhuxk, Sunday, 12 June 2005 10:11 (nineteen years ago) link

(and it should be noted that i'm sometimes an npr listener and janene fan myself, and in case anybody wonders i definitely agree with earle's politics more than toby's. i definitely prefer toby's singing voice, though.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 12 June 2005 10:27 (nineteen years ago) link

(and okay, earle does sing better than billy bragg, eddie vedder, tom waits, and 2,000,000 death-metal, thrash, hardcore, screamo, and gnu-metal nitwits. so "one of the worst singers on the planet" may have been overstating the issue somewhat as well, i admit.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 12 June 2005 11:18 (nineteen years ago) link

i really think that earle is a good singer--the quiet anguish of little rock and roller, the big strut of his songs about cocaine, the compliacted moral realtivity of john walker blues--and i think that it was one of the few songs that actually proceeded to give the progressive left an action call, and talk about first person voice--but then im scared of southern rock, it was the music of the people who kicked the shit of me in highschool

i think he is a (different) but better singer then springsteen, and as good as waits, in that gruff, silver jews all my favourite singers couldnt sing way (also, i think we need to connect him to the whole indie song writing section of singers--not slick people like chesney, but people like john darinelle, bill callahan, will oldham, and even antecedents, like kirs kristoferson (sp), and shaver, and some of the rockabilly cats.)

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 12 June 2005 11:31 (nineteen years ago) link

wtf am i saying about rockabilly cats--forget i said that.

and can we actually talk about the lefty borgie dyke folk, its a major guilty pleasure, and i dont know what to do about it (bragg, of course, but dar williams and the indigo girls, etc etc)

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 12 June 2005 11:32 (nineteen years ago) link

there was a boy named matthew i met in victoria, last time i was there, a sailor and he drew, watercolours and pencil--mostly not bad, hes in lunenberg right now, and back to victoria a week ago.

and he sang billy bragg, in such a clear way, so close that it sent shivers up my spine, and i was talking about how much i found myself obsessed wtih california lately--and he saing help save the youth of america--and its s deeply silly song, and i know its silly, and i love the beach boys too much to take it seriously

but hearing him singing it--and then hearing a bootleg billy sing the internationale at some concert in belgium--w/o irony, with a suriety adn an earnestness and a devotion, and an openess, it was like all those atheists who love gospel, and the boy had the dying words of christ tattooed up and down his arms, and he believed in the social gospel of jesus christ--he believed in the father, and in socialism...

now im sure that bragg doesnt belive in god, but matthew did--and there is something in this shedding the snake skin of irony and post modernism and bricoloauge and pastiche and all the genre fucking, and singing as loud as you can something you believe in--and you know what--the internationale is actually not a bad coda (and neither are the more hippy sections of jesustalk)

its funny the dying words he chose werent eli eli lama sabach--they were into my hands i commend my spirit--which i never really found impt. the difference between the two of us then, was forsaking vs commendng, and there is something to be said about braggs accepting

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 12 June 2005 11:44 (nineteen years ago) link

> we need to connect him to the whole indie song writing section of singers--not slick people like chesney, but people like john darinelle, bill callahan, will oldham, and even antecedents, like kirs kristoferson (sp),<

yeah, that maybe makes sense -- i've never really understood the appeal of the music or lack thereof by these guys, either. though john clearly has a way with words, and can obviously be a totally entertaining writer about music. and i liked a couple smog songs OK once. and kris knew how to write a song, too - though there are those (including christgau, as i recall) who say he's the flattest singers in human history, and they are probably not all *that* far off.

xhuxk, Sunday, 12 June 2005 12:35 (nineteen years ago) link

But he's the worst singer I've ever heard. It's not that he's off key--he has no relation to key. He also has no phrasing, no dynamics, no energy, no authority, no dramatic ability, and no control of the top two-thirds of his six-note range
Christgau
From the consumer guide, about his first album

and do you know what, it doesnt matter

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 12 June 2005 12:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I never could get into Earle; I read his biography a while back and it's really interesting. I have a respect for him, some of his bluegrassy things are OK. I have no problem with non-singers at all but Steve Earle is lousy. I mentioned above I watched a Parsons tribute video, and the only person who sang worse than Earle was Jay Farrar, who just didn't seem to give a shit about projecting, etc. One of the things I love about country is the fact that even at its most pro forma, you get to hear good singers. Raul Malo is a bit florid but he sings well. Dwight Yoakam sings like Kermit the Frog but his records are always so immaculate (most of the time). New Dwight is pretty great and I don't think I miss Pete Anderson at all. Anyway, we were driving around one day and heard some later Earle and Sharon said "what is this, Yo La Tengo?" As far as Smog goes, Yuval Taylor keeps putting their songs on mix CDs for me, but I never quite get into them; the only great one I know is "Cold Blooded Old Times," from the High Fidelity ST, I think. He keeps doing the same thing with Wilco tracks, I guess I've got some mental block there too.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 12 June 2005 14:54 (nineteen years ago) link

For me, Earle falls into the category of "good singer with a lousy voice." His phrasing and timing, the way he knows when to lean on the Texas drawl and when to pull back on it, he's got some skillz. Kristofferson is more like a mediocre singer with a lousy voice, but his best songs are good enough it doesn't matter. Farrar's a mediocre (sometimes lousy) singer with a good voice -- he should be able to do more with all that bass than he does.

I like a lot of Steve Earle, but it's probably telling about both him and me that my favorite album is his acoustic one (which is way better than his bluegrass one, and rocks harder than some of his rock ones). His last album, I love "F the CC" because it sounds like the Ramones, and the Iraq trucker song is good. Beyond that I don't remember a whole lot of it. He's definitely been running on fumes for a while.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 12 June 2005 16:28 (nineteen years ago) link

And not to fully reopen the alt/commercial country debate, but there are some fine singers in the alt-country ranks, depending on who you call "alt." Emmylou, obv., plus Kelly Willis (OK, she's more like a pretty good singer with a great voice), Neko Case (at her best when she's singing other people's stuff), Kelly Hogan, Heather Waters, Lucinda, Nanci Griffith (is she alt or just folk?), etc.

I'm admittedly having trouble coming up with great male alt-country types. I like Lyle Lovett no matter what y'all say, but I won't argue for his pipes.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 12 June 2005 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link

neko cases cover of train to kansas city is perfect.

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 12 June 2005 17:16 (nineteen years ago) link

so the new issue of billboard lists the songwriters of jason aldean's "hicktown," #36 on the singles chart, as "(v.mcghee, j.rich, b,kenny)", which explains...something. is he a muzik maffia member, does anyboy know? (also funny how billboard abbreviates "big" as "b"!)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 15:18 (nineteen years ago) link

i just got the new dwight yoakam, and i mean its alright, well crafted and all that,

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 15:32 (nineteen years ago) link

chuck i don't think aldean's a muzik mafioso

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 16:12 (nineteen years ago) link

new Dwight's not as good as his last one, and I think now I do miss Pete Anderson's guitar. But I'm a fan, he makes good records always.

All I know about Aldean is that he came here from Macon/Atlanta in about '98, scuffled around, wrote some, and got dropped from Capitol a few years back when they were going thru their big internal turmoil. And picked up a manager who caught him one night at the Wild Horse Saloon, that got him the Broken Bow deal. But he's been a Warner/Chappell writer for a good while, I think. Far as I can tell, he's not associated with the MM in any formal way.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 21:16 (nineteen years ago) link

i just submitted my reveiw for the new dwight, i make the point that it might be the way the critical flow is working these days adn not vice versa

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 07:05 (nineteen years ago) link

what do you mean, anthony? *what* might be the way etc.?

xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link

haven't read any reviews of Blame the Vain--I expect the Scene to run theirs in the next week or so. so I'm curious as well anthony, you mean about the self-production, lack of Anderson...? As always, I'm impressed with his canniness and his whole shtick of being away from the action which so far seems exemplified by the buried guitar in "Intentional Heartache" and the Boomhauer-like talking in that song--"you'd better come get this girl..." and anyway, I think his "Dizzy Miss Lizzy" lift on that one and the rockabilly-ism on "Three Good Reasons" seem more authentic as a roots thang than the similarly distanced reshuffler Jon Spencer's stuff on his last, boring, album. He's just such a cold bastard and so skillful, he wants us to hate him I think. And I'm laughing at his jive and synths and artiness and meter shifts and coda-thing on "She'll Remember." For my tastes, he does address his own celebrity and bad reputation well, and seems to have some sort of life/interest outside the normal run of country stuff, maybe. I think it's a pretty great album, it really hooked me yesterday fighting the insane June heat and traffic in the car...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 15:37 (nineteen years ago) link

i can post the first ppgh or so, as a teaser, it should be up next week, god willing...

Dwight Yoakam's new album does not entertain in the
usual ways, and it does not go out of its way to puzzle or complicate.
Recent critics tend to place brilliant bricoluers above singular
craftsmen. It is why Big and Rich's Muzik Mafia have gotten so popular
and why Lee Ann Womack's critical similarity to the singer-song
writers of the 70s, or the packaging of her album got as much
attention as her immaculately lush voice.

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:52 (nineteen years ago) link

looking forward to reading it, anthony.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:43 (nineteen years ago) link

okay, faith hills new single is the same as trisha yearwoods, which is better ?
and i really like the new leeanne rimes

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/review.php?ID=3126
dwight reveiw

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link

watching the opry tonite, i have come to the conclusion that brad paisley has a really stupid mustache

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 26 June 2005 06:23 (nineteen years ago) link

People who have more use for beautifully sung but lyrically generalized (i.: no concrete nouns or place names) ballads will undoubtedly enjoy Gene Watson's new *Then & Now* (Koch) more than I do. I love two tracks, right in the middle (#9 "Everybody Needs a Hero," which has some "Bad Bad Leroy Brown" booger rooger and Elton John "Ballad of Danny Bailey" in it except the pimp-pinstriped high-roller gangsta guy with the rusty 1947 Bentley or whatever turns out apparently to be 10-year-old Gene's dad {even though he didn't know it} in Southern Georgia, and #8 "I Wonder How It is in Colorado," which starts off with an uneaten bologna or baloney sandwhich). But this album is nowhere near as great as his previous, alcoholism-recovery-obsessed *Gene Watson...Sings,* which was one of the best country albums of last year by far. (His voice totally still holds up though. I don't know all that much about his old stuff, but I get the idea he must've been some kind of missing link between, oh, George Jones and John Anderson maybe? Though hopefully Edd or Don or somebody can pinpoint his style way better than I just did.)

xhuxk, Monday, 27 June 2005 13:31 (nineteen years ago) link

oops, the Colorado song is #10 not #8 I meant.

xhuxk, Monday, 27 June 2005 13:34 (nineteen years ago) link

on the alt-country tip, Caitlin Cary and Thad Cockrell's Begonias is quite lovely in a low-key kinda way - it's amazing how much Cary has eclipsed her old running buddy Ryan Adams since Whiskeytown dissolved, sometimes her voice can be a little too mannered, but she sounds fantastic paired with Cockrell (a Raleigh-area talent who deserves some more burn). Cary went to grad school for creative writing before she got sidetracked w/ Whiskeytown, and you can tell from the way she peppers pretty typical heartbreak stories with real-world details rather than generic rusticisms.

Laura Cantrell's Humming By the Flowered Vine isn't quite as good but it's still worthy, esp. the opener "14th Street." I like to think of her as kind of a low-maintenance Gillian Welch, not nearly as ambitious artistically, which means you don't get stuck with spectacular bores like GW's Soul Journey, but it also means you won't get anything as wonderful as Time (The Revelator) - one of the most underrated records of the decade imo.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Monday, 27 June 2005 15:22 (nineteen years ago) link

here's a good review of the Cantrell from an ardent supporter -

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/review.php?ID=3127

Josh Love (screamapillar), Monday, 27 June 2005 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

>Time (The Revelator) - one of the most underrated records of the decade imo<

Didn't this do really well in pazz & jop?? (Which isn't to say that it can't still be underrated, i suppose. And my own aversion to ice-queen quasi-dust-bowl schoolmarms is well known, so beyond that i willl just keep my trap shut.)

xhuxk, Monday, 27 June 2005 15:45 (nineteen years ago) link

i just meant in the sense you never really hear it brought up in "best records of the 00s" talk, but personally I think it's one of the most lyrically fascinating albums in recent memory. soul journey fit your description pretty aptly tho.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Monday, 27 June 2005 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link

ha ha, i can think of a couple thousand good-to-great albums that never get brought up in best of the '00s (or '90s or '80s etc) lists, josh (christ, don't even get me started on that TOTALLY FUCKING IDIOTIC top 100 spin issue that just came out --- okay, i'm calmed back down now i think.) but yeah, i get your point; it's just that, to my ears, calling an album overrated when so many far better albums (including country ones) have NEVER received any crit acclaim is somewhat confusing. but then again, my ears are not yours, of course!

xhuxk, Monday, 27 June 2005 16:54 (nineteen years ago) link

the nickel creek album -- out in august -- is great in a newgrass/incubus kinda way.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link

hey jams, like i was saying upthread, i like "best of luck" on the new nickel creek but after repeatedly trying hard to get into the album found the rest disappointing. what good tracks am i missing?

xhuxk, Monday, 27 June 2005 17:19 (nineteen years ago) link

i like "best of luck," too, and also "somebody more like you" (that's the straight incubus one), "tomorrow is a long time," and "helena" (a my chemical romance namecheck?) best of all. i do think "best of luck" is tops, but i like the adultness of the record, especially when compared to the likes of alison krauss.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I probably need to get that Gene Watson album, his drinkin' album is good and he sings well. Have to dig his old stuff out.

So, decided the Dwight album (deliberately didn't read your stylus review yet Anthony but will) is one weird-ass sucker, some of it's kinda forced/phoned-in, and ultimately I'm not real sure his Beatley/Brit-invasion/Jimmy Webb (on the last tune, traditionally DY's big end-of-album, I've knocked around yet another model and so tired, so tired and wanna use these strings here, moment) signify all that much. But, love "Intentional Heartache" and several others. Great guitar playing as usual, he's hip enough to use Bobbye Hall on percussion and one of the guys from the Ventures on it, I enjoy it, but I put it away and go, well, that's over, kinda like the newest Beck album somehow.

And, decided that the Ky. Headhunters is one of those rare records on the cusp of creative incompetence, I like it but the drummer on that record, after I listened real hard to it one day on a big stereo, is out to lunch, some of the funniest non-fills and behind-the-beat but I didn't mean to be playing I've heard in years. Good guitarist. Every song is how to not play the drums but I love it anyway. The Buck Owens tune is good...and I saw them down at the Riverfront playing last week and they were much better there, pretty rocking and I had a great time.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link

good reivew, anthony. have to see if "intentional" is in the charts for dwight? he is taken for granted, he is a bit of a mean old formalist. WSM-Nashville's playlist stops at about '90 so you do hear some of his early hits there, but not nearly as much as those of a lot of other folks'.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Jon Nicholson, *A Lil Sump'm Sump'm* (Warner Bros): Muzik Mafioso white (or beige?) soul. Makes me worried about a John Hiatt onslaught on CMT, but I think I like it okay regardless. High points so far: the one where his grandma gets high for the first time in her life, and the one where he "used to listen to Al Green and the Faces/Cheap Trick and the Replacements." Better than anything I've heard by Westerberg in the last 2 decades, probably; beyond that, I dunno yet.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:23 (nineteen years ago) link

So there is this new Chely Wright song on CMT/GAC called "River"; not sure if it's on her latest album or not. As in many country songs about rivers, somebody dies in it. A football star (and his car) on the way home from his prom or something. Anyway, just before the end, the tune turns into a *drone* -- Chely starts repeating different lines over a very shot repeating rhythmic motif (or whatever you call it) that happens again and again and again. I noticed that right away, and then Lalena (who is named after a different Donovan song) said the repeated motif sounds a lot like the one in "Hurdy Gurdy Man," and I think she's right. Though Chely (who is Wright) may well ride her drone longer than Donovan did, though less Middle-Easternly, perhaps because of that Marines bumper on her SUV but I'm not sure.

xhuxk, Thursday, 30 June 2005 16:01 (nineteen years ago) link

im excited to hear this, as ms wright can sing/

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 30 June 2005 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link

A patriotic musical gift from Big, Rich, Gretchen, and Troy:

http://www.ouramerica2005.com/

Sang Freud (jeff_s), Saturday, 2 July 2005 00:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Pretty impressed with the Marty Stuart gospel album, but not enraptured. Kind of more interested in new Rodney Crowell, which rocks more than he's done in a long time and is about as politically progressive / in one's face as anything in a long time.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 2 July 2005 01:23 (nineteen years ago) link

the link above only works for americans

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 2 July 2005 02:31 (nineteen years ago) link

i dont really hear the drone in the chely wright--its fucking amazing, deeply wounding, and understated in a meloncholic way--and i really like her details, the small twists, real names and real dates--etc

but i didnt hear the drone

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 2 July 2005 09:45 (nineteen years ago) link

decided i like the jon nicholson album all the way through, but i only really like a couple tracks (mainly, the ones mentioned above) a LOT. he has more rob thomas or adam duritz (that's the counting crows dude right?)-doing-van morrison shtick in him than john hiatt, turns out. (will counting crows become a big influence on country? that pat green album last year had {and maybe even started with? i forget) with a counting crows as van imitation too {a good one. seems mainly used in songs about california, so far.}) also there is one track on the nicholson, #6 I think, where nicholson's lousiana traveling show phrasing reminds me of whoever sang "southern nights" in the '70s. (would that be alan toussaint? or did he just write it? i am right now thinking that glen campbell had the hit with it, but i don't think nicholson sings like campbell, unless campbell sang that song differently than most of his other hits. assuming he sang it at all; i can't check right now. maybe i'm totally mixed up. but anyway, i like nicholson's imitation in that song of whoever he is imitating.) there is also a song about a prostitite who charges more for taking you around the world than for goiing down. and there are riffs taken, pretty blatantly, from "smells like teen spirit" and beck's "where it's at." but the, uh, grateful dead-ish (i guess) closer where the grandma gets stoned is still pretty clearly the best song on the album, I think.

the new dwight yoakam album may be more "interesting" than good, i still haven't quite decided yet. i definitely like it, but definitely not as much as his previous one. the second half seems much better than the first half. there is a blatant elvis imitation, and a song that sounds exactly like "walk the line" by johnny cash, but with different lyrics. there's also a song that starts with dwight talking in a sarcastic quasi-proper uppercrust british accent that reminds me of electric six, of all people. elsewhere i always tend to like his singing voice, but i think there's something perfunctory and generic about much of the songwriting that keeps it from connecting with me on an emotional level. or maybe it's his voice that doesn't connect (what frank kogan said about willie nelson once) despite it's beauty. anyway, if somebody thinks they can convince me to get off on the new dwight more than i do, they are welcome to try.

xhuxk, Sunday, 10 July 2005 13:56 (nineteen years ago) link

even "intentional heartache" (one of the best songs on the record, i agree -- it starts out pretty amazing) kinda peters out halfway through, near as I can tell. still, the record kinda reminds me of the new alice cooper album in that here's a guy i'd totally written off making his second enjoyable album in a row long after i'd stopped figuring he had it in him. but like with alice, the last one was better.

re nicholson, i should also give props to his band, whoever they are, who seem pretty impressive. the song with the "teen spirit" riff (not the MAIN "teen spirit" riff; the one that makes weird al bend his guitar and insert farm animal noises) has the riff building and building and then turning into either a cool sax solo or a cool guitar solo that sounds like a sax solo, i haven't decided which yet. and some of the other songs really swing.

finally, a note on that jason aldean "hicktown" song -- turns out (as i learned in a rentacar friday night) that the heavy fucking riff is really only fucking heavy if your stereo's bass level is turned way up. so do so, i guess....

xhuxk, Sunday, 10 July 2005 14:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I shelved the Yoakam after five-six listens; I like it but it seems a bit thrown together. Except for maybe some of his covers albums, I don't think he's ever made a truly bad album--"Gone" and his last one "Population Me" are my favorites, I think. I like the Bakersfield sound, that's all, so what he does is right up my alley.

Trying to figure out the domestic situation in Tim McGraw's "Fries Come with That." The guy's in a tent in Tim's back yard, and Tim's afraid he's gonna hit on his wife, steal his boat? Very odd. A friend, a cousin, a co-worker down on his luck? Good song though.

Got the new Brad Paisley yesterday. Only listened to the first song and the last one--very interesting guitar sounds you don't usually hear on country records, starting the album out. And there's a funny one called "Cornology" which seems to be about Dolly Parton's tits...featuring James Burton on guitar sound effects, and dirty jokes from Little Jimmy Dickens, Bill Anderson (I think), George Jones and Dolly.

And I wish the new Laura Cantrell had more stuff on it like the first track, which hints at girl-group dynamics, and the last one, a pretty amazing piece of work that is folk-country as soundscape territory a la something off that last Chris Stamey album, maybe. And it uses a really effective, simple, swinging gospel kinda bassline under her story of taking a walk in downtown Nashville, past the Alvin York memorial and noted land-grabber president James Polk's grave...it's political and a bit anguished (the Tennessee war hero goes to the big city and gets his ticker-tape parade) without making a huge deal out of it, and does bookend the album nicely, the first song being about a walk down 14th Street in NYC. I want to listen to it again before I make up my mind about it, but it's a very intelligent, and at times beautiful, piece of work--maybe a little over-earnest and boring, not sure yet.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 10 July 2005 17:52 (nineteen years ago) link

back from the discursive dead for a moment (and stealing that phrase from a Simon Reynolds email) while waiting for Hurricane Dennis: xxxpost best vocals I've heard from Billy Bragg (& Wilco): Mermaid Avenue Sessions, esp. "California Stars," like Ringo Starr at his very very very best, but more intense; also "Ingrid Bergman"(even before TMC's just-concluded, oft revelatory, at least to igno me, Ingrid salud). Best overall Steve Earle album that I've heard (variety, intensity, poise,even ugly beauty, at times):Just An American Boy (google advance my review at http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com)Back to the dugout bye

don, Sunday, 10 July 2005 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link

i guarantee that there are at least a couple records here that i did not previously mention on this thread:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0528,eddy,65746,22.html

xhuxk, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/review.php?ID=3163

i am waiting on a couple of best ofs from universal

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 14 July 2005 00:56 (nineteen years ago) link

"the nickel creek album -- out in august -- is great in a newgrass/incubus kinda way."
i dunno about this, it is acceccible in that everyone who doesn't give a crap about bluegrass suddenly feels like they could be tempted to like bluegrass if all of it sounded like nickel creek. its got some hooks and it's pretty shiny, but it came out kinda shallow for me. i kinda blanked out after half the disc was through.

katie, a princess (katie, a princess), Thursday, 14 July 2005 01:23 (nineteen years ago) link

jeez, "acceccible?" its like i was losing at scrabble.

katie, a princess (katie, a princess), Thursday, 14 July 2005 01:24 (nineteen years ago) link

been listening to Del McCoury and Hot Rize...I'm not a bluegrass fan and I know relatively little about it. But after hearing the McCoury band stretch out live on the Opry the other night--outrageous licks that definitely make me think the jazz/bluegrass connection many claim does exist--I went and listened to some of their records. They're pretty fucking great, and Hot Rize too. Dunno about Nickel Creek--CD just arrived yesterday--but I sure recommend Del and Hot Rize, all their records seem to be good.

Also, Eddie Stubbs does an oldies show on WSM Wednesday nites...and I always learn something. He played a bunch of Wynn Stewart records the other night...WS was the father of the Bakersfield sound, I guess, big influence on Merle, Buck, and by extension the Burritos and Dwight Yoakam. Pretty fine honky-tonk (I got interested after listening to Laura Cantrell's fine cover of "Wishful Thinking" on her new one). And, heard a great Mel Tillis song, his first hit, "Stateside," in which he's in Tokyo and he's got a thing for a geisha (pronounced "gee-i-sha"). And Dave Dudley's "Pool Shark." So now I have to find a Wynn Stewart best-of, ditto on Mel's early stuff ("Stateside" is '59, I think) and Dave Dudley.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 14 July 2005 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

ryan shupe & the rubberband, *dream big* -- listened to this cuz their name reminded me of bootsy. also, they list the police, bob marley, and ac/dc among their influences (and okay, bela flek, whose influence turns out to be a lot more audible). (so when did ac/dc turn out to be the all purpose okay hard rock band for country guys to say they like? when joe dee messina's band played the riff from "back in black" live a couple years before montgomery gentry borrowed it, maybe?) basically, as would be big & rich jr.'s go, not nearly as much fun as hot apple pie. the slow songs sound like toad the wet sprocket or somebody. or OK, maybe nickel creek. funkiest tracks i guess are bluegrass instrumentals. still, nothing here i need to hear again, i don't think.

caitlin cary & thad cockrell, *begonias* -- listened to this cuz bob christgau said i should. he loves the opening track, which is a sort of lamenting-our-open-marriage duet, and i guess it's pretty nifty as blando alt-country with vaguely pretty singing and a decent melody and no other music to speak of goes. i think i liked the song where some girl tries to escape to califonia and only made it halfway better. i guess lyrics about california let alt-country bands have hooks that aren't otherwise allowed or something. and the one about waiting for some girl named june in january was kinda clever. but still, way too NPR, way too genteel, way too afraid of the messiness of life and afraid of life in general. bob seems to think it's kinda sexy; i think it's kinda sexless. caitlin used to be in whiskeytown, apparently. don't remember if i ever heard them.

bobby bare - *the moon was blue* -- i don't know jackshit about bobby bare. i guess "detroit city" (that's him, right?) is great (but how does it go?) (great title, anyway.) and i think i have a 45 called "alimony" which rhymes with baloney just like in that one jerry reed song. anyway. this album seems like it might be okay. cool song selection -- "everybody's talkin at me," "ballad of lucy jordan" (marianne faithful -- one of her greatest songs, which okay isn't saying much - one of the best songs on the only album by her i ever liked then), "it's all in the game," "shine on harvest moon," "love letters in the sand," "my heart cries for you" (brooks & dunn, maybe? i don' t know yet.) so far, i kinda like the thing.

xhuxk, Sunday, 17 July 2005 22:40 (nineteen years ago) link

David Allen Coe's "Penitentiary Blues" came in over the weekend. Reissued by the Fooses on "Hacktone" or something. The best boogie album I've listened to this year, particularly the ranting about Mogen David wine making him lose his mind, and then with the idiotic laughing. I guess they couldn't use him as an endorser.

The mailing came with a reprinting of his "so you're going to prison" article, excerpted from his book that's out of print.

George Smith, Monday, 18 July 2005 00:17 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, *penitentiary blues* is pretty great. even if all the songs almost sound exactly the same as each other, and a whole bunch of them have words about mixing up gator toenails and fried anteater and rhinoceros butt and spider eyeballs and jungle roots into his last meal. it's like voodoo boogie or something -- a screamin jay hawkins influence maybe? the character he's playing on the album is clearly from the jungles of africa; is this some crypto-racist minstel thing that's supposed to connect with his use of black music? i dunno; it's pretty weird though. and also funny. i just keep remembering that this a guy who didn't' exactly shy away from using the "n" word (even if it sometimes just meant a bundle of sticks for kindling. though supposedly on bootleg cult albums i've never heard it also sometimes meant black people.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:07 (nineteen years ago) link

also it's "Monkey David Wine," not Mogen, I think. (He mentions it in at least two songs, maybe more. And gives the recipe, which contains some of the ingredients listed above. C'mon, y'all, let's do the brass monkey.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:12 (nineteen years ago) link

(or the Ubangi Stomp, for that matter.)

As for Bobby Bare: Turns out I think I like the idea of his album more than its actuality, which is kinda dull. Though it'd be pretty hard for a good singer to do a version of "Everybody's Talkin at Me" that didn't sound kinda great, I suppose (Bare's version has weird ambient techno blipping at the start -- reminds me of the opening of Loretta Lynn's "Portland, Oregon" last year.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:33 (nineteen years ago) link

also lots of the bare album (intentionally i think) sound morbidly leaden and museumized in the manner of the albums johnny cash made with rick rubin (which i pretty much hated) (though at least bare's' voice isn't as leaden as cash's was.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, "monkey david wine" which I took to be the cheap Mogen David wino's wine. And it sounds like he's singing from some manner of experience. The kind, where he says, you wake in jail with lice in your hair. He's got a pretty big John Lee Hooker thing going on and I would bet George Thorogood listened to this a lot once.

George Smith, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 14:31 (nineteen years ago) link

"Detroit City" done by Bobby Bare is the classic southern-boy-goes-north and don't like it song, in the same vein as Tompall Glaser's "Streets of Baltimore." The refrain is "I wanna go home, how I wanna go home." And "by day I make the cars, by night I make the bars." Solomon Burke does a fantastic version of it in a sort of Muscle Shoals/Excello manner, and Joe Tex does it too.

Mel Tillis wrote it.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha ha, wow, so "California" on Philly-bred Buck Cherry-style sunset strip sleaze-rock revivalists Silvertide's album, which George Smith has been calling their CMT move, sounds kind of like Counting Crows too! Counting Crows may be the most influential band on "songs about California" since, um, the Beach Boys or somebody! This is crazy. Rest of the album is not bad, much better than the advance/demo EP (live maybe? I forget) I heard a couple years ago. Opening part of the first song is TOTALLY John Cougar 1982. But so far I am pretty sure "California" is my favorite song. (And they probably don't otherwise belong on the country thread, but what the hell.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 23 July 2005 13:07 (nineteen years ago) link

"California Rain" is the apex. "Heartstrong" is next and perfectly the kind of maudlin thing that also works on CMT. I think I heard it on an episode of "Smallville" before I knew it was Silvertide. Anyway, it was played somewhere on TV. The rest of the album is more blasting. The singer sounds like Chris Robinson fronting stripper rockers but the guitar men are more rootsy than usual. Maybe this should be ported to Rolling Metal 2005.

Probably doesn't fit there exactly, either. Not a trace of Neurosis or Pelican or Euro-vistas in it.

George Smith, Saturday, 23 July 2005 15:09 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, i meant "california rain" not "california," obviously - duh.

and the eagles and gnr (and n.w.a.? and other people?) probably influenced how songs about cali sounded in their respective daze, too. still - the counting crows stuff surprises me.

xhuxk, Saturday, 23 July 2005 15:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not a big fan of new country music (I haven't payed any attention to country music for years), but my god, that Dierks Bentley song "Lot Of Leavin' Left To Do" is f'n great. It's been on constant repeat for the last two days.

Anyone know if his other songs are just as good as this one?

van nostrum (Buck Van Smack), Sunday, 24 July 2005 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link

see above (somewhere) for dierks, van (not to mention edd hurt's village voice review of the album, which oughta be on line wthin the next week or so i hope.)

the *dukes of hazzard* soundtrack is an excellent if somewhat obvious collection of redneck rock of many stripes, though even i can't stand jessica's breathy "boots" remake. only recent country artist on it is montgomery gentry, whose "hillbilly shoes" is better than i'd remembered. but there's also allmans, skynyrd, molly hatchet, james gang, stevie ray vaughn, cdb ("south's gonna do it again" always amazes me by how JAZZY it is -- it basically turns into glen miller in the middle!), and the completely insane looong version of ram jam' s "black betty", which my otherwise now wu tang obsessed kid sherman made me play six times in the rentacar this weekend (he'd never heard it before. he hated molly hatchet's singer, though, and whenever montgomery gentry came on he said "is this big & rich"?) also a dirty southern culture on the skids party number that blowfly or hasil adkins would appreciate, a typically worthless piece of blackface bullshit by jon spencer, and a rocking cowpunk tune by the blueskins, who i never heard of before. anybody know who they are?

xhuxk, Monday, 25 July 2005 03:25 (nineteen years ago) link

(i do think "boots" by jessica is "interesting", i guess. kelefah wrote a pretty smart review of it in the times friday; it's quite the montage, with that reggae dancehall beat and all. but i could give a fuck for most reggae dancehall beats, you know? and britney did the same montage better in her 'i got that {boom boom}' ying yang and banjo collab last year. and i wish jessica sang instead of getting hushy {just like i wish the ying yangs weren't getting hushy so much lately}; she has a reasonably tolerable singing voice {not as cool as her sister's, but what the heck}; why not use it? plus ram jam's extended 'black betty' has a WAY better and more surprising hoedown in the middle, believe you me; whoever i decided to include it on this album is probably a genius.)

xhuxk, Monday, 25 July 2005 03:42 (nineteen years ago) link

holy shit, stop the presses, on the stereo right now: 1982 john cougar song of the year: "crazy summer nights" by hope paltrow. sorry, silvertide, you just got beat!! (has metal mike heard this yet? he will spit out his diet pepsi for sure!!)

(okay, that had nothing to do with country, i guess. but i had to say it.)

xhuxk, Monday, 25 July 2005 03:45 (nineteen years ago) link

(er, unless "4th of july" by shooter jennings -- which is the song of the year PERIOD, if you haven't noticed -- is the 1982 john cougar song of the year. which it sort of is, come to think of it. still, hope gets second place, i think. or ok, instead how bout we just say this is turning out to be a good year for 1982 john cougar songs, and leave it at that? who needs competition, anyway?)

xhuxk, Monday, 25 July 2005 03:50 (nineteen years ago) link

the one test i have for pop music is do i stop at seven eleven, interupt my shopping, and listen to the whole thing--if i do that, its an almost perfect moment in pop--simpson (who i have found mostly worthless musically) accomplishes this, its an amazing peice.

the soundtrack to the movie is actually on my best country of the year list so far. (i should ask todd if i can review it)

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 25 July 2005 04:10 (nineteen years ago) link

coincidentally (i just remembered) my favorite jessica simpson song ever is the one where she sampled "jack and diane"! (unless that was mandy moore, but i think it wasn't.)

[the cougaresque opening to silvertide's album is pretty much "thundering hearts" (possibly jcm's best song ever), by the way. but the song itself doesn't live up to the opening's great promise. other parts of their album remind me of collective soul crossed with guns n roses, and there is a ballad that sounds kinda trainish or wallflowerish or something like that, but oddly i don't hate it..]

xhuxk, Monday, 25 July 2005 04:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Luke Stricklin's "American By God's Amazing Grace" features the worst lyrics for 2005. He's a veteran of Baghad. But he can't develop a logical train of thought and sings only in bromides and cliches. But the voice is good as are the songs. It's the very best generally unpalatable and stupid fruit of the volunteer military. And the playing's pretty good, too. There's even a country boogie, "Almost Persuaded," that I like.

And if he gets any money or impetus and a video is furnished to CMT, he might get played until we vomit and poke out our eyes.

George Smith, Saturday, 30 July 2005 22:42 (nineteen years ago) link

plz to name the album 'stricklin propane'

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 30 July 2005 22:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Hooray for new Del McCoury Band album which kicks some bluegrass ass, and hooray for that Marty Stuart album that I thought wasn't very good, and lessened hooray for the Rodney Crowell because he's a great guy but his songs have become more boringer, and double hooray for Kathy Mattea's bluegrass version of "Gimme Shelter"

Haikunym (Haikunym), Sunday, 31 July 2005 02:57 (nineteen years ago) link

extended 'black betty' has a WAY better and more surprising hoedown in the middle, believe you me; whoever i decided to include it on this album is probably a genius

Was probably the old album cut which, indeed, had a hoedown in the mids. There were a few country-ish things on it, some of them very good, like "Right On the Money."

George Smith, Sunday, 31 July 2005 04:27 (nineteen years ago) link

okay
what the fuck is up with the new brad paisley video--its bizarre and digital and abdly constructed, and is ugly, almost as ugly as the cover of the new album

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 31 July 2005 12:58 (nineteen years ago) link

i definitely really like "nothin' ever happens in this town" on the bobby pinson album; not so sure about the rest of it (besides the single, which i also like fine), partially because the advance CD i have of the thing is defective on a few tracks. also, the guy's voice just seems really dry and wooden to me -- not as dry and wooden as steve earle, but definitely in that category. anyway, as his new rock&roll& column will make clear i a couple days, robert christgau LOVES that album. he also likes blaine larsen and the new brad paisley album, but completely hates dierks bentley (and explains why in the column).

xhuxk, Sunday, 31 July 2005 15:32 (nineteen years ago) link

that's real interesting about Christgau. I find the Pinson album somewhat disappointing--he seems honest enough to me, the voice bothers me, though. couple of good songs. I do like the blue-collar aspect of it, though. the Paisley just seems pro forma, for the most part, except the single "Alcohol," which I think is pretty great, almost Kinks-like somehow (not that being Kinks-like makes it great, just that it seems to connect to the bigger slightly more sardonic world more than the rest of the album, I think, and the sing-along puts me in mind of something mid'-70s). And there are teasing hints of something that reminds me, somehow, of the melancholic Americana on a Bill Frisell album, in a couple of the slower numbers. Like maybe he could record with those guys like Frisell or the progressive bluegrass guys like Sam Bush or Edgar Meyer? Something a bit technocratic, too, and muso about the whole thing, perhaps? But basically I think he's a smart and savvy singer who betrays a certain disregard for what he's singing--he's just getting through it to play guitar. That said, I still like it, but don't find it earthshattering or anything. I mean "Waitin' on a Woman" for example strikes me as impossibly tedious trope-thing. I've listened to this record a dozen times and it still kinda leaves me a bit cold.

I haven't really gone back to Blaine--I mean the guy has a song about "doctors and lawyers with PhD.'s," and I don't think they get PhD.'s, exactly, do they--sounds like he needed a rhyme with "degree" to me. It's a decent enough album about high school, I guess, couple of good songs. His honesty, as far as it's honest, and his callowness--they seem attractive enough to me. And as my friend pointed out listening to it, where Nashville falls down these days is in writing good melodies, most of the time--never that moment of surprise you get in pop music, and I think he's got a point there.

Dierks I still like OK, but I think he's kind of a singles artist, and that record seems to me to be all about *how* the music is being played (and I think "Lot of Leavin'" *sounds* great), like a Beatles or a Poco record or something minus the "songcraft," and not about the songs, which are nice but the same old trucks and domestic beer and you can't hold onto me 'cause I'm a ramblin' man...plus I don't think I like his haircut...and for me, the ugly question of content rairs up...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 31 July 2005 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link

oh also: new frank black has some great country songs backed by dan penn, spooner oldham, and STEVE CROPPER; new hackensaw boys record is up and down as far as i can tell but has some good jams; maybe again my fave country record of the year is by anthony hamilton (soulife) so go ahead and hate me now

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 1 August 2005 14:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey, Edd, what do you think about the math-rock aspect of bluegrass? (Esp. as practiced by Del McCoury Band)

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 1 August 2005 14:06 (nineteen years ago) link

here's the Voice Choice preview listing I wrote about Hackensaw Boys, seeing how Matt mentioned it; it's a pretty corny record, to be honest, and I probably cut it more slack than it deserved:

>HACKENSAW BOYS -- The fun on this banjo-weirdling Virginny retro-country 10-piece's new *Love What What You Do* feels a bit less forced when its reels get speedy and silly than when they get slow and serious; topics include big buildings, small towns, parking lots, and cunnilingus. "Alabama Shamrock” no doubt has some redneck Irish jig in it.<

xhuxk, Monday, 1 August 2005 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link

(i meant "wielding" not "weirdling," though. the typo was caught before the blurb ran, fortunately. they are really not weird at all.)

xhuxk, Monday, 1 August 2005 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

>(and explains why in the column)< Yet he toseed Cowboy Troy in the Dud pile, with no comment (I liked the original Guide better; his reasons for not liking something could be as illuminating as etc). Not even keeping "I Play Chicken" as Choice Cut? Did he mention anything about that, xxhuxx?

don, Monday, 1 August 2005 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

ha ha, i think he just said he wanted to include cowboy troy in the same consumer guide as mc hawking (his pick hit), since "they're two guys who have no business rapping."

xhuxk, Monday, 1 August 2005 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, I'm working on something on that Black record. produced
by Jon Tiven. It hits me more singer-songwriter than country, though.

I guess that bluegrass stuff like Del Mc is math-rock and to some extent heaven-rock, in the Richard Meltzerian way of thinking. I think of it like I do fusion music--it's mostly not funky or anything, but they think they're being funky, and in my more lenient moments I hear the funkiness of it all--the whole thing of "they playing not the notes, but the molecules" as some Beale Street guy once said. So I guess the way to hear it is live--and that performance I heard on the Opry that night was amazing, by Del and Band.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 1 August 2005 20:48 (nineteen years ago) link

the best way to hear it is probably live, but Del is also great when driving across great expanses of Iowa at high speed. if you're alone you can sing with him, but you can't hit the notes. it's okay, neither can he, any more. so you and he just kind of howl along together, and the band cooks, and it's all gravy.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 1 August 2005 20:52 (nineteen years ago) link

so, xgau on pinson, paisley, larsen, et al:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0531,christgau,66398,22.html

xhuxk, Monday, 1 August 2005 21:52 (nineteen years ago) link

CMA festival, 6/7-8/9 PM EST/CST tonight on ABC. Also, CMT's got several Crossroads reruns on this week, with a marathon on Sunday, I think. (The only boring one I've seen was Martina & Benetar, but that's just my taste, and Neil Yoko Geraldo's overshlocking Pat's act, as always when I've seen her live)(mind you, I did avoid seeing Urban and Fogarty, and Elton John and Ryan Adams, which maybe I will check out, the latter, anyway). Heart and Wynonna seemed a bit disappointing, but I haven't seen all of it yet. The only really bad one I've seen is Emmylou and Dave Matthews. He kept messing her up; his voice, as usual, jerks and groans like an old park bench out in the rain with a big ass settling in, and he wheezed so loud through "Long Black Veil", she looked like "yeeeesh, what have I got myself into" afterward and his comments give stoners a bad name. I did like: Ronnie Milsap and Los Lonely Boys; Willie and Sheryl;Dolly and Melissa E.(the latter most effective as fan-on-stage:"my dreeem!"); Brooks & Dunn and ZZT (mostly for the latter); Montgomery Gentry and Skyn (mostly for the former, but it all worked out); Hank Jr. and Kid Rock (pretty evenly matched, at least on this occasion)

don, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Schedule correction! CMA Festival is indeed on ABC tonight, but it's 7:00-9:00 Eastern, 8-10 Central, and whatever it is elsewhere

don, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

enjoyable

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 08:37 (nineteen years ago) link

The most educational aspects: Keith Urban can sing, at least this time! And his guitar got more room than on the albums I've heard (anybody familiar with his previous band, the Ranch? Think that was the name). And even ol' spudette Sarah Evans did okay. Wynonna rolled the dread "I Can Only Imagine"(well, prev. dread in its xtian boyband incarnation). Gretchen's new "All Jacked Up" seemed good, but not instantly hooky like "Redneck Woman." I missed a bunch in the middle (hopefully other MuzikMafia and Shelly Fairchild were there!)

don, Wednesday, 3 August 2005 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link

(forgot Mellen/Chesney's Crossroads; didn't see all of it, but they def. bopped "Stones In My Passway"--the very first was Lucinda/Costello, which was pretty good, I think, but is rarely rerun--who else would yall like to see?)Kandia's taking the reins at the Charlotte branch of Creative Loafing, and asked for my NASCAR TOP 10, but I couldn't brake (just in the order they came to me):
1.Steppenwolf: "Born To Be Wild"
2.David Lindley: "Crazy Bout A Mercury"
3.Montgomery Gentry:"Gone"
4.Dwight Yoakam: "Long White Cadillac"
5.Motorhead: "Ace Of Spades"
6.ZZ Top: "She Loves My Automobile"
7.Bruce Springsteen:"Cadillac Ranch"
8.Bonnie Raitt:"Green Light"
9.Bonnie Raitt: "Me And The Boys"
10.Chuck Berry: "You Can't Catch Me"--CD Bonus tracks!:
11.Eagles:"Take It Easy"
12.Flying Burrito Bros.: "Wheels"
13.Chuck Berry: "No Money Down"
14.Bo Diddley: "Mona"
15.Cowboy Troy: "I Played Chicken With The Train"
16.Shelly Fairchild: "Ride"
17.Alice Cooper: "Wheels"
18.Cledus T. Judd:"I Love NASCAR"
19.Lynyrd Skynyrd: "Call Me The Breeze"
20.X: "Don't Go Riding With Mary"
21.Lynyrd Skynyrd:"That Smell"
22.Gretchen Wilson: "Chariot" Yall got some?

don, Friday, 5 August 2005 21:12 (nineteen years ago) link

opening track on the new faith hill album, about sunshine and summertime and picnics and coronas and colas and smith-coronas (ok maybe not) and hot cars and hard bodies and bikinis and stuff, is really good; reminds me of "six pack summer" by phil vassar from a couple years ago. i still can't stand "faithy on the block" or whatever that dumbass hit mississippi song she does is called; why do celebrities always think we give a shit about them being celebrities? i don't. and give or take eminem sometimes, if you do a song about your celebrityhood, i guarantee you it has a 99.99999 percent chance of sucking. anyway. the song i'm really obsessed with on faith's album is the totally innocuous and muddle-headed anti-violence but apparently pro-war "imagine"-wannabe protest ditty with the chorus that goes "is everything A-OK in the good old USA?" A question, not a statement, and the question leaves open the possibility that everything might not be A-OK. so it's a little ominous, i think; there''s pessimism in its optimism, even if the ultimate conclusion seems to be "we'll leave these problems for our kids to solve." but it never says what the problems are, except that some people start wars for religious reasons, but it never says who those people might be; apparently not americans, who the song seems to claim "had to" go to war in order to fight for "freedom" and,um, "peace." still, i kind of like the song for some reason -- or its chorus, at least. and i also kind of hate it.

xhuxk, Saturday, 6 August 2005 15:37 (nineteen years ago) link

her husband tim has outed himself as a clinton-style democrat who wants to run for the u.s. senate, last ah heard.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 6 August 2005 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

i find the intertexutal positiong of faiths new single really interesting. how is tims new work

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 6 August 2005 17:03 (nineteen years ago) link

should i go see the brooks & dunn / big & rich deuces wild tour? it's going through the tweeter center in sept. i ask, cuz i don't really care much about brooks & dunn. are they worth seeing?

my motivation would be to see kenny and john? are they good live? and does the spectacle scale well? i love it on my tv, but what about from football field's distance? (there'll be live cc tv, i guess though)

my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Saturday, 6 August 2005 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link

worth seeing

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 6 August 2005 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link

big & rich = best live show i've seen since i moved to new york, by any human beings, by a mile.

>the intertexutal positiong of faiths new single<

i have no idea what this means, anthony! can you de-crypt a little?

the other song faith's summertime sunshine song reminds me of is rebecca lynn howard's pink flamingos one from a couple years ago. guess i'm just a sucker for songs about parties on suburban patios. (i realize that kinda thing might make some of my more suburbaphobic NYC friends cringe, though.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 6 August 2005 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link

songs about celebrityhood are great! - 'no more mr. nice guy', 'mo money, mo problems'

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 6 August 2005 20:03 (nineteen years ago) link

thing is, i don't think of those songs about being about alice or biggie; i think of them as being about ME. (so maybe if i was a mississippi girl myself i'd like faith's song more.)

and the thing about the party on the patio one is that that kind of hasbrook heights suburban utopia is probably almost a nostalgia thing by now; rebecca's pink flamingos were more blatant about the kitsch of it all (as were zz top imitating b-52s in "party on the patio" i guess) , but i have a feeling faith kinda knows the utopia's a lost cause by now too. though then again, i can imagine she and tim throwing great patio parties to this day, so maybe not.

xhuxk, Saturday, 6 August 2005 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

oh yeah, also, i like "u-haul," "bugs", "chicken coop", maybe more (though definitely not everything) on country-leaning blues belting mama Renee' Austin's new *Right About Love* album. And it's on Blind Pig Records! Can't remember if I ever liked anything on Blind Pig before. (I am truly turning into a white guy in his mid 40s; about time.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 6 August 2005 21:59 (nineteen years ago) link

so did anyone ever listen to the newest Chely album, I seem to remember Chuck or someone talking about "Hurdy Gurdy Man" somewhere upthread in relation to her..?

I heard something strange last night, right after I listened to that Anthony and the Johnstons album for the first time, this record by Ian and Sylvia Tyson recorded in '69 and produced by Todd Rundgren, called "Great Speckled Bird." Sylvia's voice actually reminds me of Anthony's in the use of vibrato--she's more annoying than Anthony, whose appeal I haven't yet figured out--but Ian sang OK. Anyway, it's got this French version of "Crazy Arms" that had everyone falling out laughing, but it's a great example of some kind of Burrito Brothers style of playing, with more balls--Buddy Cage on steel guitar and Amos Garrett on guitar, pretty amazing actually, and N.D. Smart on drums. I burned it just to be able to forward thru the singing to hear the band play.

And, I'm real interested in this guy named Jim Ford, there's a piece in the Oxford American on him as a country-soul guy from Kentucky coalmining country who also hung out with Bobby Womack and who apparently was pals with Sly Stone and might even appear on "There's a Riot Goin' On"! That country-soul genre is huge right now in Nashville, too--Frank Black's record tries to do it but doesn't really cut it; if there's a more unlikely person to cover "The Dark End of the Street" I don't know who it is--Anthony maybe?

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 7 August 2005 03:17 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry
i find it interesting that people thought that faith hill was much too pop, and she was worried about this, so she attempted to position herself again as "authentically country" whatever the fuck that means...

and this is at a time when being "Authentically country" is out of fashion (almost out of fashion--cf big and rich, southern rock, tim mcgraw/nelly, kenny chesney/bubba sparxx/,cmt crossroads)

and i also find it interesting that you know exactly what she is talking biographically--so going to hollywood is not a general dig on LA, but a spec. reference to her being second on a marquee for a artisitically/finiaclly(sp) bankrupt big remake.

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 7 August 2005 09:57 (nineteen years ago) link

that Jason Aldean CD is quite worthy, fairly generic but he's got a good voice and definitely knows his way around a hook. "hicktown" is the most lyrically interesting thing on there by far (penned by big and rich if that hasn't been mentioned already) - the rest isn't nearly as nuanced or detail-oriented, but at least he can sing, which is more than I can say for Bobby Pinson (who wrote one of Aldean's songs too I think, not sure which one).

not sure what Xgau sees in the Pinson record - aside from the vox, I just don't find his lyrics very interesting - they're "clever" I guess, but mostly just filled with generalities, you don't get the nice little touches about things like White Rain and Laura Ingalls like in "Hicktown."

Josh Love (screamapillar), Sunday, 7 August 2005 12:12 (nineteen years ago) link

re: Don's list, Drive-By Truckers - "Daddy's Cup" is obv. even though I'm not a big fan of the studio version of that one.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Sunday, 7 August 2005 12:48 (nineteen years ago) link

late (?), great (???) athens band Diamondback (soon to revamp as Rampage, though i think Rampage are long time gone now too) had a great song about Dale Earnhardt the local show on Rock 103 would play.

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 7 August 2005 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

(Just to chime in that while I only follow the music whenever I'm home and listen to what my dad's got tuned on his car radio, I lurv me the discussions in this thread. Carry on.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 August 2005 13:14 (nineteen years ago) link

aldeans album is laughably bad except for the single, whose brilliance i am chalking up to B&R

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 7 August 2005 13:53 (nineteen years ago) link

weird, it seems pretty nice to me, like i said it's nothing flashy but the tunes are sturdy

Josh Love (screamapillar), Sunday, 7 August 2005 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

actually, Rich had a hand in four other songs on the album, and Kenny helped out on one, not that B&R are beyond reproach or anything ("You're the Love I Wanna Be In" is kinda goofy, "I'm Just a Man" is very generic but I have to admit it suckered me in), but "Amarillo Sky" is especially nice.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Sunday, 7 August 2005 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link

i will give it another shot

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 7 August 2005 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link

>that kind of hasbrook heights suburban utopia is probably almost a nostalgia thing by now...i have a feeling faith kinda knows the utopia's a lost cause by now too<

in fact there's one song on her album that seems to be some kind of desperate housewives situation, if i'm reading it right (which i may not be; i might even be reading it backwards in fact, and i've been too lazy to check the lyric sheet). obviously it would be better if it concerned a soccer mom selling marijuana (i swear, i have to finally get a bigger cable TV package now, i REALLY want to start watching *weeds*), but it might be okay regardless. in fact some of the slower songs like that one may well sneak up on me over time. or i might wind up despising them, who knows? there's also one about being in paris which seems to say everybody in paris is stoned or something. on the CD cover, it's the last (and therefore "bonus" maybe?) track, with an eifel tower icon instead of a track number! (worst track may well be the overblownedly sappy ballad duet with hubbie tim, or maybe not.) (it should be noted here that it took me something like ten months and four singles for me to realize that i kinda sorta like *his* most recent album after all. i'll still take "drugs or jesus" over pinson's "nothing ever happens in this town" -- same theme -- any day of the week.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 7 August 2005 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link

on the dukes soundtrack, is the Southern Culture on the Skids song about a tranny, and does it remind anyone else about the b 52s

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 7 August 2005 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the "everybody wants to get high" (does his audience sing along? It seems to be inviting us to; he sounds as mellow as Andy Williams "Moon River," which never got banned either) But Ah suspect he's copping a plea: yes, plenty us smalltowners are polarized as hell, but even around here, there are other choices (of drugs: music, caffeine, shopping, womens,etc). If the sap in the song thinks there are only 2 choices, I think it's most conveeenient for lazy songwriters peddling their asses on tabloid dogdunce TV (even on that, we-uns *actually* got History Channel, Sci-Fi, Book TV, Comedy Channel, etc. Good wages-of-celebrity song: "Turn The Page" (but in the video, Metallica partied with groupies, then blamed lonely wives for cheating--oh I see, it's "about" that) Would like to hear DAC do that (second the endorsements of P.Blues, where he's wired *and* ominous)

don, Sunday, 7 August 2005 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

As for Faith, she's responding to sucess of "Redneck Woman" (as well as all those other "exceptions" Anthony conceded). And the "A-OK" as question is also(finally) hopping on bandwagon with Darryl Worley and all those others, as I noted in my immortal Nashville Scene roundup last year (archived at http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com; forget which month but quickly Google Advanced). Then, it seemed to be related to even Toby Keith (interviewed)expressing cognitive dissonance re War On Terror/Iraq, and ambiguous images in his patiotic videos; also Charlie Daniels' aching salute to "the last fallen hero" and "sawing a blues out of The Star Spangled Banner," as I said in Voice; and lots of Letters To Editor down here, along lines of "Yay, we saved Bush! But the war's kinda going uh" And obviously, since then, the polls continue to show more and more turning against the war: the way it's conducted, and even the original (bipartisian) mandate. But still Faithy must hedge her bet, if she doesn't wanta get Dixie Chicked, seriously.

don, Sunday, 7 August 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

CMA festival, 6/7-8/9 PM EST/CST tonight on ABC. Also, CMT's got several Crossroads reruns on this week, with a marathon on Sunday, I think.

Yeah, I caught it. The women really upstaged the men. Urban and Fogerty reminded me of two men sitting around the salt wafer barrell at ye old tack shop. Fogerty's face continues to pull away from his teeth and one song they performed together, "Sugar Sugar," was truly terrible.

(The only boring one I've seen was Martina & Benetar, but that's just my taste, and Neil Yoko Geraldo's overshlocking Pat's act, as always when I've seen her live)

I thought it was all right but I'm a guitar guy, so Geraldo, who chewed the stage mightily was entertaining. Benatar's obviously used to him but it was amusing watching Martina react graciously to a guitar player who works at blowing everyone else off the stage. Closed with "Independence Day" which was a good choice, Geraldo having to ratchet it back a good bit.

Heart and Wynonna were the best but you would have had to be ready for big band hard rock. The Marshall half stacks were out in force and Nancy Wilson was way into rhythm guitar heroism. Ann Wilson has become rather awesome looking -- coupled with Wynonna, who is intimidating. Closed with Led Zep and Nazareth's edition of "Love Hurts." Tickled to death that it's the heaviest hard rock performance I've heard this week and it was on CMT on Sunday night. I'd buy a CD of the performance with the stupid yack cut out of it. Donna Summer was in the audience and asked the inane question, "What's it like to women in rock," as if she didn't have a good idea, being on the label with Kiss.

Didn't make it through Dolly and Melissa Etheridge.

George Smith, Monday, 8 August 2005 04:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey I'm a guitar guy too! (Slunt's gonna make my Top Ten, methinks--and weren't you and I too tough on last year's EP, which after consisted mostly of songs that ended up on Get A Load Of This?) I saw some of Pat/Martina again tonight, and yeah Neil didn't hog it as much as I remembered. Donna Summer didn't get to rock, hitwise anyway, did she? I wah wah wonder how was that album with "I'm A Wanderer" (approx title? An approx hit too mebbe, but not much compared to her hit hits)Come to country, Donna!

don, Monday, 8 August 2005 04:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, we didn't cut Slunt much slack for the EP except a graf or so here or on Rolling Metal. I eventually reviewed the full album. The only truly duff thing on it was the outtake on the carpet-munching lezzy housecat. The rest of it was great. Slunt would be great for CMT -- with the cover of the Romeo Void song. Their look is exactly right, better than Shedaisy's, for instance.

Naw, Donna was doing rawk records but she had to know what was going on if she was ever in the Casablanca building when Kiss was there with there entourage. She was obviously liking the Crossroads show.

George Smith, Monday, 8 August 2005 14:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey, what are you guys talking about, Donna *totally* rocked; go back and listen to "Hot Stuff" (and re-read all my *Bad Girls*/*Appetite for Destruction* analogies in *Accidental*) if you don't believe me. (*The Wanderer* was a more blatant rock "move" -- "Cold Love" was blatant Benatar as I recall and there was a sort of Styxy thing actually called "Grand Illusion" or something like that, plus didn't she and Springsteen collaborate on a song or two later on?), but she'd already rocked harder on *Bad Girls.* She also had one or two somewhat country-ish tracks on her late '70s albums -- "My Baby Understands", maybe? I dunno, I'd have to go back and check.

xhuxk, Monday, 8 August 2005 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha-ha. I knew this was coming. Anyway, I stand corrected. Hey, Cobra Verde did a Donna Summer tune this year and I think they were trying to do rock. They failed but got about halfway there.

"Yay, we saved Bush! But the war's kinda going uh" And obviously, since then, the polls continue to show more and more turning against the war: the way it's conducted, and even the original (bipartisian) mandate. But still Faithy must hedge her bet, if she doesn't wanta get Dixie Chicked, seriously.

I'm still waiting for Luke's "American by God's Amazing Grace" to come in the mail. Bluntly, not enough death and maiming in the current war to make country artists consider ranting. The audience's great statistical mean may be wavering but it's still not too close to making up its mind. Although I reckon some near Cincinnati and the woman camped in Crawford have made up their minds. The pain's not widely enough distributed, it's in spicks and specks. So there will be no good music from the war, unless you count good country with made for the USO-tour lyrics, which Toby Keith has carved out.

George Smith, Monday, 8 August 2005 15:14 (nineteen years ago) link

rivers rutherford, *just another coaster*: basically a songwriter's demo (though unlike bobby pinson and todd snider, neither of whom has as lively a voice, rivers actually seems to *present* this as a songwriting demo), so ho hum. but still, he wrote good songs for brooks & dunn and tim mcgraw (his versions of which are included here) and better ones for gretchen wilson and montgomery gentry (his versions of which aren't included, though it'd probably be a better album if they were), so he's a name worth knowing, and now I do.

xhuxk, Monday, 8 August 2005 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link

maybe the war's too close to home for country to be totally rah or totally wah, at this point. Too close to traditions of "support" for lost causes. (Which is what I get from the death metal Southern Gothic vibe and some lines of Monkey G's "You do your thing, I'll do mine": notice travesty of the sub-Peter Max early 70s poster in my little sister's bedroom: "you do your thing, and I do mine. And if by chance we meet, it's beautiful." ) But so many down here are in Nat Guard and a bunch full-timers too, so lots to "support"(as in zip up your misgivings and wave your flag and yeehaw and vote right, or things will go wrong and your people will die and it'll be on your head)But lots of grief, lots of dread hazing around, ever settling in ("spicks and specks" pile up slowly, infiltrate orifices anyway). But whether torch-bearing villagers will march on the castle (which one?), I dunno (I notice that lady in Gold Star Mothers Against The War is still camped out at W's vacation)(Wonder how LIVE FROM IRAQ is? Intriguing review by Jeff Chang in Spin; more complex than O'Reilly's exceedingly brief "interview" with princple performers would like us to believe, apparently). Yeah, Donna's *overt* rock move was what I wondering about, xxhuxx; I know she actually rocked the disco before that.

don, Monday, 8 August 2005 23:47 (nineteen years ago) link

as in zip up your misgivings and wave your flag and yeehaw and vote right, or things will go wrong and your people will die and it'll be on your head

The philosophy of "American by God's Amazing Grace." I well worn out on support the troops rationalizations and bumper stickers. The country was itching for a war and waged it about as poorly as possible. But it's still a remote war for most Americans who aren't in the Guard or who don't have to join the Army or Marine Corps to get out of town. The Guard's essentially broken. Who would join the reserve now? It's the equivalent of saying you want a ticket to the Eastern Front in "Hogan's Hero's."

Can't bang up country too hard for not getting down to the nitty gritty. No one else does either at the risk of being put on a list.

Wonder how LIVE FROM IRAQ is?

Was going to pop for a copy. But the more I looked at the mist surrounding it the more it seemed like it had to be totally duff. I mean, really, O'Reilly interviews 'em what does that mean? He regularly goes on rants about how hip-hop is the end of civilization.

My rule of thumb: If it's first and primary mode of entry into consciousness is through the regular "news and opinion" side of the newsmedia, as art, it's shit. Ties in with my belief that newspaper journalists at big operations write about art that they think is -good- for their readership, a readership considered to be almost the same but slightly dumber than the journalistas upper middle class upbringing. -Live from Baghdad- was a natural. It was from THE SOLDIERS, the one's fighting for our freedom and stuff, and they did it between missions, so pay attention already, they got shot out for you. But does it stink? Hey, that's irrelevant -- it's good for you and good for them.

Spent some time listening to Hot Apple Pie (past the single) today. Boy, what a thin and dry sounding band. Fail.

George Smith, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 00:08 (nineteen years ago) link

trave adkins makes the standard jingoism much more shivering and haunting

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 04:26 (nineteen years ago) link

(which song is that, Anthony? I keep missing it--describe please) George! I said I was intrigued causa Jeff Chang's take(published in Spin *before* they were on Fox), not O'Rearly's (which wasn't really a "take"; I greatly doubt that he's heard it; it was "okay, black rappers, but they're soldiers, and they didn't even express a desire to frag Rummy.As far as I could discern, and I have an interpreter in my earpiece. Fine, I did like Roger Ailes and my staff said to: I talked at black rappers, thus confounding my hatas--NEXT")

don, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 05:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Kept meaning to ask: any opinions on the current LeAnn (think that's her spelling) Rimes album?? I really like the 2 CMT-featured tracks.

don, Friday, 12 August 2005 23:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Chuck, as I wrote you a couple of days ago, I've only played the first five tracks of the Bobby Bare, but so far it's one of the most alive non-hip-hop things I've heard this year, and totally bananas - title should be expanded to The Moon Was Blue. So I Jumped Over It - but entirely straight and authoritative in its leap over the sky, no hint that one might come off a bit anachronistic singing "are you sincere?" from deep in one's belly while women coo "Bobby Bobby Bobby" in the background. "Everybody's Talking" has a supremely strange false start: Instruments get to their feet and start to shuffle, then it's as if someone off-mic had interrupted, "Wait, we've got to plug in some gizmos - oops, not that one" - [hum and buzz] - "er, we'll try this" - [hum and buzz now in rhythm]. I hadn't considered it techno, though, until you called it that upthread, and I don't think it's techno. Just technological. The album (prod. by alt-rocker Bobby Bare Jr.) may be calculated to appeal to the alt world's eclecticism - i.e., said world's need to distance itself by hearing everything in quotation marks - but it doesn't wear quotation marks itself, not that I can hear, anyway. Just expressivity. 101 strings for a 1001 lush nights, mixed in with sorrow and whatever.

I spent most of yesterday at the cduniverse.com listening to Bare's back catalog in 30-second bites - got a good sense of what he was doing, but due to shortness of clips couldn't evaluate how well it worked. I see how his staying in country allowed for sentimentality and cornpone sincerity that the hard cool world of '60s pop wouldn't have tolerated, yet he flew with the '60s wind, made a concept album about franchise stores and unemployment, sang folkie standards like "500 Miles" and "Four Strong Winds" but with countrypolitan strings and leaden, swingless choral arrangements adding MOR piety. As Bill C. Malone points out in the liner notes to the Smithsonian country box, "Detroit City" is basically "Sloop John B" set in industrial Michigan (but sans humor, so no cooks throwing fits and grits and no mates going bonkers). "I wanna go home." The strings may have helped his voice to swell, or alternately, fuzzed up its impact. In any event, his using strings now isn't without precedent, but the latter-day strings move and soar and like the rest of the music they seem to be stepping beyond themselves, not just fitting in like in the old days.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 14 August 2005 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, the new album can be like "Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman", and the better songs on Freakwater's End Times, and the better uns by Lee Hazlewood, and ditto by Bare's old compadre, Shel Silverstein(and other deadpan, downhome surrealism--or just playing, cutting up Sears catalogues and Reader's Digests, on a rainy day--easy to mess up, like a lot of simple stuff)(those three chords, bubbba). Neat, but don't know if I'll listen again. Good comments on Bare in Christgau's 70s Guide, and thus robertchristgau.com too,I guess. (Anybody got Bare's recording of Dave Hickey's "Calgary Snow"? Xgau's mention is really tantalizing.)

don, Sunday, 14 August 2005 20:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Dualtone Records calls it a "A progressive country album that's rooted in a '70s retro tradition." That sure pinpoints it.

Intriguing Bare track from 1967, probably belongs in the category What Were They Thinking?: "The Piney Wood Hills" - is very good, actually, but is out of time; perhaps was intended to cross over to pop, has sentimental lyrics for the country fans about returning to the piney wood hills of home but a rock 'n' roll melody that follows the chord pattern of "I Will Follow Him" (and half a million other rock 'n' roll and doo-wop songs), hence was utterly passé in the pop world but still nowhere near c&w. It didn't chart.

Was "Dropkick Me, Jesus" a Silverstein ditty?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 14 August 2005 20:39 (nineteen years ago) link

(Xpost confusion: The Dualtone Records quote was in regard to the new album, not the old Hickey song.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 14 August 2005 20:40 (nineteen years ago) link

From robertchristgau.com:

Cowboys and Daddys [RCA Victor, 1975]
Bare's cowboys wonder how come they're in Calgary, eat stew just like in the movies, scoff at poets, fuck cows, and lie about their age. His daddys lie about cowboys. With two good-to-great songs apiece from Shel Silverstein ("The Stranger" comes complete with bleep), Dave Hickey ("Calgary Snow" is as intricate as good Jackson Browne and a lot wiser), and Terry Allen ("Amarillo Highway" melds Jimmie Rodgers and Bob Wills for a self-conscious age) plus Marty Cooper's theme statement, this does as much for the outlaw ethos as Waylon and Willie put together. A-

(However, Bob didn't like the other two Bare LPs he reviewed that decade.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 14 August 2005 20:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Another song I'd like to hear in full: "Houston," from 1966 or so. Bobby's delivery has sideways wit and cool, like Roger Miller, though maybe a full hearing would reveal it dead serious. The lyrics could be either: "I haven't eaten in about a week/When I walk I squeak." Maybe it's both: We're dead serious, but let's sing with low-key amusement.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 14 August 2005 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Jessica Simpson's "Boots Are Made for Walkin'" was a lot of fun as a video at launch.yahoo.com, though maybe up against "Black Betty" it'd have wilted in comparison. My favorite Jessica single is "Irresistible," which is simply a good wailing dance-pop track. I like the "Jack and Diane" sample on "I Think I'm in Love with You," but wasn't pulled in by the rest of the song.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 14 August 2005 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, the video works better (esp. with Willie's grin; defended imself to interviewer," I play her uncle, not her father.") Right, Bob wasn't crazy bout those other Bobby albums, but the way he described 'em, I got the impression that Bobby knew he had a limited voice, dependent on just the right production and song choice, and did what he could, with lower case pop artiness (wryness and ro-mance speculatively blended) important in 70s country, when other (often less quirky) progressives/Outlaws tended to *self*-importance. And he chose some good (otherwise even more) obscure songs, even if his renditions weren;t always so hot (the only extant source of Dave songs, other than Jim excuse me James Luther Dickinson's recent vesrion of "Billy And Oscar," is on the finally-back-in-print albums of Marshall Chapman, Dave's ex and sometime co-writer). Bobby had a good music& interview show on Nashville Network in early 80s, feat. elusives like Steve Young, Ramblin' Jack, Harlan Howard. And, interviewed by Bobby jr in No Dep, he described how his first, fluke hit, the droll recitation (he should do these more often) "All American Boy," was taken away from him, and the guy they gave it to had to go around to whateve shows would let country performers on, and most TV shows made touring performers lip-synch, so the poor scab had to do this to a *recitation*(might be okay once or twice, but gotta be nerve-wracking to do on a regular basis,with bus-lag, No Doz, all that good vintage stuff)

don, Sunday, 14 August 2005 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link

A quick search reveals that "Dropkick Me, Jesus" was written by Paul Craft, not Shel Silverstein. ("Sylvia's Mother," however, was written by Shel Silverstein.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 14 August 2005 23:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, Shel wrote some goodies, also stinkers. Oh yeah: re the good and bad effects of wry whiskey, check Dave's take on his pal Waylon, "His Mickey Mouse Ways," in June '04 Texas Monthly.(Orthopedists' waiting rooms have the hippest old magazines! Though you might can get here from there; my computer's too ornery.) Also, I consider W's avuncular influence on young Hank Jr. a mixed blessing, but the budding Bocephus was proactive anyway. Reminds me of the uncle in "Chug-A-Lug." Which further reminds me (and then I'll shut up): Frank, I agree about Headhunters' rendition of "Big Boss Man"(I prefer Jerry Lee, on his London Sessons, sneering, "you jus a leedle leedle bit tawwwwwl--tha's all," and you know he's warming a brick for somebody special,some special day, when back is turned.) But I'm amazed (and the singer is too, sounds like) by how well "Like A Rolling Stone" works. And what's somehow the perfect follow-up? "Chug-A-Lug"!

don, Monday, 15 August 2005 00:29 (nineteen years ago) link

For those interested in the intersection of politics, the war, and mainstream country:

Clint Black to play 9/11 anniversary show put on by the Pentagon

The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Monday, 15 August 2005 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

If the intersection between politics, war and country is encapsulated by the ranting of Donald Rumseld from the Pentago bunker briefing room, I guess. Check the transcript of the speech:

RUMSFELD begins rant on Iraq with non-sequitur pre-amble on World War II ---->

"Some 60 years ago, with the war in Europe turning against them, Hitler's forces faced defeat, and in desperation, the Nazi regime carried out some of the most indiscriminate acts of violence that had been seen during the war. With allied forces closing in on Berlin, Hitler ordered destruction of German infrastructure, and sent Germans, even very young children, Germans, out to face almost certain death as soldiers. If Germans were no longer willing to shed their own blood to ensure their right to survival, Hitler said, they deserved to die. The world saw in these acts the true nature of totalitarianism and its capacity for self-annihilation."

[Somehow, this compares to Iraq in 2005. Then a few hundred words are delivered about how things are going OK, or we're winning the war, or the nature of the enemy, etc.... all deleted for the same of this posting.

And then an advertisement, to divert you from all the depressing nauseating shit that was just delivered. Come to the party! We'll be serving tea, coffee, cakes and the marzipan and strudle I know you enjoy so much here in the briefing two hours before showtime.]

"One additional note. Every year since September 11th attacks, Americans have commemorated that anniversary. This year the Department of Defense will initiate an America Supports You Freedom Walk. The walk will begin at the Pentagon and end at the National Mall. It will include many of the major monuments in Washington, D.C. reminding participants of the sacrifices of this generation and of each previous generation that has so successfully defended our freedoms. Freedom Walk participants will be invited to a special performance by country singer Clint Black. And more information about this event will be on the Department of Defense website, www.americasupportsyou.mil."


George the Animal Steele, Monday, 15 August 2005 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Chuck, you need to give Begonias another shot, best country cd of the year imho.

Jim Reckling (Jim Reckling), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 01:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Hitler punishing with "self-annihilation" of the Germans: is this a fancier way of saying "they're desperate, cos they know we're winning?" Suicide bombimg (or homicide bombing, as Fox News says) is pathological as hell, but I've been hearing the desperate/winning bit since way before the Iraqis started doing that. Clint Black, is he still alive? Either way, what will he sing? (And where's Toby and Darryl?)

don, Tuesday, 16 August 2005 02:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Don, while I still think the points I made in my Ky. Headhunters are on the money, I'd change the overall tone of the review to something more positive, if I were to redo it, since I'm still playing the shit out of the album.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 05:18 (nineteen years ago) link

(wrong self link:http://www.stylusmagazine.com/review.php?ID=3284
Frank:
dave hickey, as in the art critic, because hes hung out with some of those guys ?

ive been lisenting to lots and lots of the jerry lee lewis country albums from the 70s, the one that Tosches talked about so much in hellfire--and the weird thing, is that they have none of the high floating big ideas that tosches claims for him (has tosches written on elvis btw?)...but his cover of the bobby bare song with the line "by the day i worked the bars and by the night i worked the bars" is one of the hardest, most blue collar line ive heard, steely in the most literal sense of the word... and then martin sent me some other bare stuff, and as a writer, i wonder why he isnt more respected (cf parsons, hazelwood, even cash). his writing as a solidity that i find really complicated.

the trace atkins song is called arlington, and i find it really interesting, in a few of ways. his delivery is v. soft, and does not rise to any rhetorical heights. he claims the same kind of family authority as chely wright, but people die in adkins, and they are buried. (i have written about this before) but for the first time in history, we have a war that is hugely docu,ented, both inside and outside (note the article in wired this month about soilder bloggers) (articles i have read bout soilder citizens in the last month aside from the blogs, and the net, the daily papers, bbc, cbc, cnn, al jazera, details, radar, time, new yorker, the new york times, the economist, people, gq) articles that i have heard or seen documented the presence of corpses:some of the web/al jazera. al jazera is supposedly the enemy, and for this audience can be dismissed. the web photos have images of boxes wrapped carefully in the american flag. we dont have the spanish loyalist on the hill side, we dont have barney working on the battle fields. its the deadliest combat since vietnam, and vietnam showed the bodies. adkins surely believes in abstractions like god, country, the flag, etc--he is not country joe macdonald, but he also makes this statement: if we want to keep living the way we do, people might have to die. people have died. there is something radical in that, strange and radical.

i sent chuck too many words on paisley, so he wont be publishing it, but todd might be...and its an album that i am really struggling with. its good musically, but politically its more then a little unpleasent.

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 02:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, Dave's collection of essays, Air Guitar, is really good; mostly not about music, but inspiring and fun)(Voice stuff, from Noise Boys era, is way back in the stacks, I guess, though he's got a book of short stories, said to be good, and a bunch of art monographs, still on Amazon, last time I looked.)I like some of Trace's older songs, and hope the new album's good. But the conceit of the chorus, from the "point of view" of a dead soldier getting all snuggly at Arlington (unlike most of my neighbors; lot of military here) may be comforting to some--I hope so; they need whatever they can get---but it makes me gag. beyond my personal experience, so far, thank whatever there is to thank. I guess, as a spectator, I relate more to the basic grief (and melodrama)of "The Last Fallen Hero", and the other good songs (and their inextricable conflict with the bad, self-deluding songs) on Charlie Daniels albums(esp. Ultimate Charlie Daniels and others in that ancient Voice piece). Axl Rose's "Cival War" isn't that far away, either, from endless self-destruction and/or -delusion of artist and country(big chunks of both, anyway). A look at the Cindy Sheehan thread, and back to other cell-by-cell activities (oh yeah, it's "Riding With Mary," not "Don't Go Riding With Mary," re that NASCAR list, and "Mercury Blues," not "Crazy Bout A Mercury," by Lindley [and Alan Jackson, duh](Coquet-Shack.com/lyrics is a good place for country lyrics, even Jason Aldean and some other newbie/oldie obscuros, but haven't found any one reliable multi-genre lyric sites, have y'all??) (also, how's that Rimes album?)

don, Wednesday, 17 August 2005 05:34 (nineteen years ago) link

air guitar i reread every 6 mos or so, its the book i think that has done the most to me as a person (not as a writer or a critic). i admire its democracy, and its brilliance in telling tales out of school, and acknowledging pleasure and presence. i think its also sock full of brilliant writing.

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 05:42 (nineteen years ago) link

i wonder if rimes is old enough to sing her single, but the song is so well written, makes me miss tammy

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 05:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Hitler punishing with "self-annihilation" of the Germans: is this a fancier way of saying "they're desperate, cos they know we're winning?"

Hitler didn't invent "scorched earth" policy or "self-annihilation."
"Scorched earth" has been a western modern tactic in strategic war since William T. Sherman's march to the sea or the burning of Atlanta or whatever. And probably before. Krushchev, as a Stalin underling, instigated "self-annihilation" and "scorched earth" before the advance of the Wehrmacht into Russia prior to Stalingrad and the relocation of Soviet leadership to Kubyshev when it was still thought Moscow would fall.

Up to the top of US political leadership, it is relied upon that Americans no nothing about the history of military action and world conflict. This makes it simple for those like Rumsfeld to make superficial and idiotic comments to newspapermen about the nature of war and how Americans don't do things that the villains always do.

How do I know this? I had to study it as a requirement of a very odd education.

And now let me speak briefly about Jon Randall's solo album, the singer-songwriter who furnished Paisley with "Whiskey Lullaby." Man, that's a song to chug a quart of JD in thirty seconds to and wind up unresuscitatable in the emergency room. Rest of the solo album is ballads and sadness and regret except for two mid-tempo r&B boogie rockers and the title cut, which would have been great for Bryan Adams and/or anyone like him. Randall's a great songwriter of sad songs I don't need to hear that much of.

the deadliest combat since vietnam,

Amateurs. Relative to what? In terms of total war, it's not spectacular. The army and marine corps aren't slugging it out against relatively comparable foes defending urban warrens to the teeth.

This is an ambush and soft target war. Roll by or over a mine or roadside bomb, get targeted by a suicide bomber in a car or truck or wearing an explosive vest with a twenty foot blast radius. This ain't shit like Vietnam, where the military was often in contact with an organized regular army of the opposition. The mobilization v. Vietnam was also much greater than the current conflict, even more so if you consider that the order of firepower available per unit is a magnitude or so higher.

There is also a significantly large number of forces in theatre that are corporate outsourced military forces, mercenaries, if you will. At least 20,000 which is a considerable private army payed for by the taxpayer but whose actions are essentially off the books in terms of the regular news. This is radically different from past recent US warfighting.

Consider for an instant the ramifications, morale and command wise, of a mixed military force employed by US corporates, a business which pays six figures a year tax free per individual, with regular army men who earn low five figures a year in the same theatre. And the six figure earners are soldiers who have fled the army for better paychecks.

Paisley had an hour long special on cable this week. I fell asleep about halfway through. He's a good guitarist and singer, but really predictable with the added crippler that he never gets righteous.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 17 August 2005 07:12 (nineteen years ago) link

hes always fucking righteous
and the vietcong, were not really a regualr army

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 08:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Jim Reckling, who or what is Begonias? If I ever knew, I've long forgotten.

Alt-country single (and most rocking suicide song) of the year: "Callin' In Dead" by Mazzy Gardens & the Brick Hit House Band, disguised (all the way down to the attic-wrinkled-for-three-decades generic 7-inch sleeve) to look like a reissue of a minor country hit (on the apparently phony Åmbassador Records) from 1972. But it's actually a great new song.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 17 August 2005 12:16 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah George, I was shaking head at Rummy's rum Hitler riff. Good points about the war, which is itself a soft target, in that its support was built on such blurry justifications.(Doesn't help that we've been through, are still in, the fourth bloodiest month since it began.)She seems plenty old enough to sing about the boy in "Probably Be This Way," Anthony; that's the track that's got me!

don, Wednesday, 17 August 2005 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link

and the vietcong, were not really a regualr army

-Two elite North Vietnamese divisions, the 325th and 304th, were identified coming down the Ho Chi Minh Trail, a force of between fifteen and twenty thousand men...The Marines [at Khe Sanh] braced -- and the base was quickly reinforced to ... 5600 men.-
-- "The Ten Thousand Day War"

My Luke Stricklin "American By God's Amazing Grace" CD still has not arrived. I should've seen it coming.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 17 August 2005 17:29 (nineteen years ago) link

So, another year, another boring Cross Canadian Ragweed album. This one is called *Garage*, though it still doesn't sound like they've ever actually played in one. (If they were British and pronounced it "garridge," I could forgive that maybe, but they're not.) Still, there is something about these guys that somehow makes me *want* to like them. They are not quite boring enough to truly be alt-country I guess; I mean, once in a while they get a video on CMT for a couple weeks, right? I think they even did a song that reminded me of Nickelback once. They sound like they're *trying* to rock, so I cut them a little slack in my head. They just don't know how, that's all.

xhuxk, Thursday, 18 August 2005 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe they're good live? Some Dierks publicity, which I think I quoted uptread, had him getting his sense of combo together, one of the best things about current album (another dud, Bob? Not even Choice Cuts, not even that Jamie Hartford-written song??), by getting tight and loose with good ol CCR onstage, while touring, I think. (Miranda Lambert with *only* Choice Cuts, Bob? But she's such a fresh writer, her turns of phrase and thematic developent, more than the more lurid themes themselves, necessarily[sometimes overemphasized by reviewers])(I think that's how she'll be remembered, as a writer, more than as a performer, but the album's *at least* a damn good finished-product-as-demo, though maybe not consciously [J.J. Cale frankly described his albums as demos, meant to get some more superstar money, and futurestar money, eager to follow. ] She has expressed great hostility to being pimped as "the next blonde chick with tits and a guitar and an attitude," and looks more like Miz Maines all the time, better keep an eye on her.)

don, Friday, 19 August 2005 03:22 (nineteen years ago) link

So far, I can't stand the new Sawyer Brown album (except for the "Mission Temple Fireworks Stand" opening cut/single that's been around since late last year) and I really like the new Terri Clark album (espeically "Slow News Day") and haven't even put on the new Billy Joe Shaver album (not even the Big & Rich collaboration opening cut) even though it's been in my house for almost a week. Country-associated album of the week though is *The Mighty Jeremiahs* (Paradigm Shift/Ear X-Tacy Records), which is Kentucky Headhunter guitarguy Greg Martin's covers-and-originals gospel-metal side project, and George and Frank and Don HAVE to hear this thing: "Shadrach, Meschach, and Abednego" and "Testify" for starters kick as hard and heavy as anything on *Big Boss Man* (maybe even its title cut), there's a beautiful Southern Rock guitar solo version of "Revelator" toward the end (before the more bleh last cut "It's Been a Good Day."), and all in all it may be the hardest rocking Christian rock I've ever heard -- and its more wal-to-wall heavily boogiefied than the Headhunters' album, too. I actually think it's the better CD of the two.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 11:54 (nineteen years ago) link

(xhuxx you member you granted me dibs on the Terri rat thanxx)(Just got Mighty J and haven't had chance to listen yet but posted re KH's "I'm Down" on Rolling Metal.)(Jimmy Hall's such a good rough tuneful singer, doubt he'll have the bluster probs of Phelps' lesser vocals.)Vassar Clements RIP: The King Of Hillbilly Jazz is dead, long live--well, whence cometh such another? (Not just a rhetorical question, I hope there's hope.) Had already been wondering, on recent Allmans thread, whether he ever played on a bad album (statistically, he must've, but I haven't heard it.)Local DJ played several tracks of him with Bill Monroe (VC's Monroe-apprenticeship began at age 14, but DJ didn't say when these were recorded.) Was surprised (given Bill, not VC; given my ignorance, basically) how bluesy and laid back (by bluegrass standards, not by any other),how almost Hillbilly Jazz, or any way swingin', these songs were. Bill even with falsetto whoops and falsetto yodels, like Bob Wills and Jimmie Rodgers, sometimes at the same time, even.(Vocals are my biggest problem in bluegrass-acceptance.) Gotta get some of that.

don, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, you better ensure I get a copy the Might Jeremiahs with a teaser like that one. Luke Stricklin finally showed up and is good. You see the guy's face and can't imagine the voice that comes out of it. Songwriting is one third his, about his war experiences, the rest furnished by Nashville, and the latter songs are the better ones, chosen for his voice.

New York Times belted on Clint Black and the Pentagon's Freedom Walk scheduled for September 11 as inappropriate, deceptive and stupid. Special scorn developed in one sentence for Black's "I Raq & Roll,"
which is amusing for reasons Don and Chuck know. I noticed an uptick in web hits after the end of the weekend from people inexpertly searching Google and getting now what they expected.

If you're jingo, it's better to be Luke Stricklin right now.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha! I am listening to that Marty Stuart album now that Matt likes so much, and it's weirdly reminding me of J.D. Blackfoot's *Yellowhand*, all the way down to spaghetti western dustbowl atmospherics and some long spoken word parts about the plights of the red man at wounded knee! Except Blackfoot has way better guitar parts, I think. On the other hand, I kind of *like* this so far. Just not as much as J.D.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Matt, note what George wrote back in May, and tell me whether this sounds like something that belongs in the same box as Marty Stuart:

>J. D. Blackfoot's "Yellowhand." If he were a young man and this were on something from the industry with muscle, not a label out of Christchurch, NZ, you'd think it belonged in the country rock, emphasis on rock, charts. "The Renegade" -- best noble rebel outlaw horse song, ever. Maybe the only the one, too. Drums by Corky Laing, which add real thump. Also qualifies as rock opera about a horse and an eagle who detested Custer.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link

(though actually, i am kinda liking the guitars on the marty stuart album, too. hey matt, aren't you the guy who didn't like "wild west show" by big & rich? what the heck? how can you love this and not love that song? that song's the same thing, only with bigger hooks!)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Blackfoot's definitely a better singer than Stuart though -- Marty's voice just strikes me as really blank, in the same way Bobby Pinson's is, or James McMurtry's on his new *Childish Things* album (which seems to have some intriguing political-statment parts on it, though, just like Stuart's does. Not sure what either of their political point is yet, though. And I've never read a single book by James's dad Larry to my knowledge.) I do kinda like when Marty speeds up in one song (around track 8 or 9 I guess) and starts realing through all those political acronym intials like he was the Living Things or the Clash. (Is that the same song where he mentions Clinton? I think so.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 16:28 (nineteen years ago) link

you are listening to a different marty stuart album than I have heard, cxuxk ; he's releasing THREE this year! I haven't heard the indian one yet, although since stuart has actually studied at lakota college it probably is actually ABOUT indians instead of just throwing in a bunch of indian cliches to enliven what I thought was just a so so melody.

no, the one i love is souls' chapel, which I think would be anthony easton's favorite album ever: country gospel with humor heart and hooks! also he's releasing a live bluegrass record this year!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 16:29 (nineteen years ago) link

also, his voice on souls' chapel will disabuse you of any blank-ness comments, as he really lets it soar (plus he's backed by his drummer harry stinson, one of the best high-harmony singers in nashville). maybe the indian stuff is making marty revert to cash-mode (it's done with john carter cash, no?)

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 16:32 (nineteen years ago) link

listening to Sara Evans "Real Fine Place." Impressed so far with "Bible Song," about a town where nothing ever happens, OD on pills, moon is full but not round, and she gets the hell out of there quick. And, a really tasteful string arrangement that sneaks in and out. Digging "Supernatural" with its Celtic touches. And the bluesy "Momma's Night Out" has a brilliant intro, and she's dancing barefoot while her hubby puts the kids to bed. Plus an amazing "all right now" chorus, and another great unexpected touch of something different--horns this time. She sounds feisty, and to my ears this stuff really rocks, too. I kept thinking of Sheryl Crow and "Roll Me Back in Time" was cowritten by her. Enjoying this a lot.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I think S.E. is really talented and interesting. O I wish she wasn't such a Republican tool!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link

(Yeah,though she always seemed like a spudette, I actually kinda like S.E.'s current CMT Top 20 hit, though not enough to remember name,and she was pretty decent on the one-performance-per-performer version of CMA Festival on ABC.)Marty Stuart, h'mm, never heard a whole album by him. Seems like a really nice guy, and always spoke up for bad-tooth country (and Gram Parsons and other dawgs) when mainstream country was going more in the Kenny Rogers/Golf Digest/don't-mention-alcholic-beverages-or-infidelity direction (not so long ago). Also bought and preserved a bunch of Hank Sr. memoribilia from one of his crazy relatives in a jam. Member, in good standing, apparently, the Carter-Cash platoon of Ex-Sons-In-Law. Still married to his childhood musical muse, Connie Smith (Not *that* much older than him, I guess, but so what if she were.)Wouldn't mind checking that out. Speaking of NZ, only not really, read about an Indonesian bandleader, who's got at least one TV show and a bunch of other country enterprises, and now has a fellowship to study the music business in Nashville. He also wants to stage a concert, with a country orchestra playing Indonesian songs (several kinds, I think) and a gamelan orchestra playing country. Haven't got time to look it up now, but press release (just about him, no particular product, unless I didn't read far enough) at angrycountry.com, which is mostly press releases (of varying interest) and a few dim reviews.

don, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

On first listen in the background "Whiskey Do My Talkin" (boogie!) and "Her West Was Wilder" (assuming that was the one about driving the Pacific Coast Highway north to Vancouver -- also, the parts where they mention California remind me of Counting Crows of course) jumped out of the new Brooks & Dunn album (in a good way) at me. More will jump out soon, I trust. But what the hell is the deal with starting the album with their unstomachably awful hit "Play Something Country" (which somebody told me is their biggest hit ever, by the way, is that possible??) Am I just supposed to always start on Track Two??

xhuxk, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 22:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I've listened to Mighty Jeremiahs only once. Agree re its hard-rockingness, and Greg really lets his slide slash. Have same prob with Jimmy Hall's vocals as with Phelps's, however: good but not holding the stage with "I'm the asshole upfront so listen to me, motherfucker" style that this style - hard progressive blues rock, basically - needs. Best is "John the Revelator" for absolute glue in the call-and-response betw. front and back vocals.

(About to get booted off library computer, so not time to say more.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 22:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the guitar solo in "Play Something Country." Now gonna listen to Mighty Js--

don, Thursday, 25 August 2005 00:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, I hadn't even listened to the Mighty Jeremiahs once, only the first half; as it happens - now that I've listened through - some of the best comes later: esp. "Testify," which is the one track that sounds like it knows the darkness from which we are supposed to be saved. (One of my favorite recent country songs - one of my favorite recent songs, period - is that Travis Tritt track I've been raving about, "Too Far to Turn Around," which is sung from the position of having salvation within your reach but now knowing how to call for it, as you go down. This is far more gripping than celebrating a victory you've already won.)

Hall is ace on "Testify" and "John the Revelator," but on others he's short on terror and hunger and triumph, though he does swoop effectively enough through the melodies. (Don't know if I'd ever even heard him in Wet Willie, or elsewhere. He just got done touring with Jeff Beck.)

I like the one song that drummer Jon McGee sings, laid back, like a wizened old preacher who's set up his portable stool a few yards down the lane from the county's permanent floating carnival and crap game, and rather than bellow in our ear, he'll slyly cajole us into moving in his direction instead of theirs.

I also like how on "John the Revelator," rather than following the Blind Willow Johnson strategy of spooking you with tenuous otherworldly shivers, the Mighty Jerrys simply nail us to the wall; whereas on "Amazing Grace" they forgo usual strategy - which is to shiver our timbers and nail us to the trees - and instead get gentle and haunting.

I'm now prejudiced in favor of Greg Martin, with whom I've had some friendly email back-and-forth on the subject of what garage rock the Headhunters ought to cover, but nonetheless I think I'm correct in observing that the guy is absolutely throwing flames. (And don't take my word for it; Ronnie Montrose says as much in the CD booklet.)

(I told Greg that the Headhunters could do a killer "Mony Mony." He suggested a revved up "Little Girl" - I'd be skeptical of their pulling off the latter. They could certainly rock the roof off it, but the original has the most contemptuously malicious laugh in all of music, and I doubt that malice is in the Headhunters' repertoire.)

Oh yeah, and one thing I've always liked about "John the Revelator" is that it's about a writer.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 25 August 2005 03:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Agh, I mistyped. Here's the Travis sentence as it should be ("not" instead of "now"):

One of my favorite recent country songs - one of my favorite recent songs, period - is that Travis Tritt track I've been raving about, "Too Far to Turn Around," which is sung from the position of having salvation within your reach but not knowing how to call for it, as you go down.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 25 August 2005 03:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, and Blind Willow Johnson is a typo, not a pun, though it's funny in context, given all the wood in that paragraph.

(Jeesh, and I used to be a proofreader, too!)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 25 August 2005 03:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh boy. Listened a couple times to Mighty Jeremiahs.It's 60 minutes that seem even longer the second time, which is a bad sign. Took a break in between, but it was to watch A.R.A.B. St. Blue(s), AKA Over There (Botchco's, and much more depressing than it would be as an actual cop show: Sgt."Don't call me sir! Get over there!" Thugged out black ahole vs. pious black youth [but the ahole ain't no delinquent, he's just mizzunderstood, although may get kicked off MTV's The Real World for not havin' no California raisin' in the sun]; sensitive but steadfast/go-along white guy with glasses; nerves-of-steel almost-native guide/Spockish Arab-American, saying the shit about indigenous personnel even the thug doesn't[but they'll Learn a Lesson];Rocky Armstrong, determined to get a new leg and go back to his unit; Lifetime Channel womens; Iraqis, only seen diabollically clever or feckless, the latter dead, but it's never really any existential soldier's responsibility fault, cause you just gotta keep watching.) So maybe that put me in a bad mood, but:I wasn't really expecting Hall to be Mr. Charisma, although that may be part of his Christianity. Even or especially at their arena peak (usually opening for Allmans, Stones, etc), they seemed like an overachieving bar band, but a good one. (like Delbert McClinton seemed the same, but he's usually good, and his new album is pretty droll, better than that, sometimes) While Hall, who I last heard doing a more-straight-ahead Van Morrison thing, and before that singing faux-80s-soundtrack-faux-metal, grossly good, on some of Jeff Beck's Flash, just takes "overachieving" into overtaxed, eventually, on a whole lot of initially promising tracks that go on too long, and get tired. Not all of 'em: "John The Revelator" is good, though I'd rather listen to Blind (and posssibly wet, though sure not all wet) Willie's, and, if that's not fair to fortysomething Southern white guys who sure are trying, also prefer cover by Govt Mule (whom I rec'd on psyche/doom thread, not gospel thread).Also, the words don't help.(Except "That's How Strong My Love Is," on which Hall sings as well as he used to.) An actual preacher knows not to be this preachy all the time.(Though prob is Rev. Blind Wilie himself on intro: vs. that, being blind, deaf, illiterate, even, sound like good "excuses for not Knowing" to soft lucky me.) Wish they'd let Richard Young sing some more, if he could pull off more like that amazing Hank Jr./Charlie Daniels-homage,talk about your boogie gospel. The guitarists sure are doing their blessedest, and "Judgement Day," for instance, keeps threatening to turn into Cream covering "Owner Of A Lonely Heart." Which could happen, since they're getting back together, except too plastic for EC, but he could do this, with the righteous lyrics.(lots of Cream Eric, not so much Delaney/Derek Eric, despite Bonnie actually being on some of these tracks). So maybe that's along the lines of what Frank meant about it's being "progressive": proogie, or even Proghat, as I think Scott said, on the "Blues-Free Environment" thread (based on yr. text, Chuck, you seen it? Gets nuts after a while, of course, bu then Edd and I save the day, or at least ponder Clapton and disco and stuff). But this particular proogie/St. Proghat gets some musclebinding from both sides of the family, sometimes. "Amazing Grace" is such a relief, even though I'm kind of listening around Hall at times, and reminds me a bit of "Can't Find My Way Home," thugh it's mellower. (Stil, the mutable "Grace" is eerie--reminds me of Blind Boys of Alabama sang it to tune of "House Of The Rising Sun," and that worked here)(Scott's man Phil Keaggy on here; should be more such guests like gusts of fresh air, more covers maybe. Though "Respect Yourself" goes for dour Blind Faith/Mule chords, and gets too draggy--thud isn't easy, nothing simple is, nothing is [come to think of it, think I'll go listen to Sun Ra's Nothing Is]["The Wardrobe Master Of Paradise" on Conjure, the album of Ishmael Reed pomes set to music, might well have been about Ra, hallelujah] I'll listen to MJs again, on excercycle, minus Botchco(But so far,it makes me appreciate Headhunters all the more, uneven as they are.)(really like the keyboards on here too; wish they got the spotlight more, like on Headhunters' "Like A Rolling Stone," which I think Blind Willie might approve, speaking of preaching.)

don, Thursday, 25 August 2005 04:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I keep hearing Hall as singing, "These three men say no/Shadrach, Meshach, and a billy goat." (Though the guitar playing is more like a big stallion shaking his mane.)

Witty line in "Tell the Truth": "Jesus said to love your neighbor, and not your neighbor's wife." Hall's good on this one too, sings with a jauntiness that goes with the riffs, which are old bawdyhouse, basically; using this bawdyhouse style is canny, given that the style accompanyies an anti-fucking-around song.

Don, you're hearing Hall as trying too hard, while I'm hearing him as not holding the floor or carrying lightning in his fist (in other words, as not being enough of a star). Maybe those two ways of hearing it augment rather than contradict one another? Is it Hall or just the words that sound like they're trying too hard? (Hall didn't write any of the words, I don't think.) Of course, since the words are in his mouth, they're his.

But what I was getting at with my Travis Tritt comments is that Tritt has a Greg Allman hard-burning moan, so you feel the sin that eats into him, and sin or salvation sounds like a lived issue; whereas in the Mighty Jeremiahs the message is about a salvation that's already at hand, game's won and we're telling you what we know, rather than struggling for it. Is that what you're saying? (But the preachiness doesn't bother me so much, since the overall sound supersedes the lyrics for me.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 25 August 2005 04:48 (nineteen years ago) link

okay here is my review of the marty stuart record, just for whatever it's worth

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 25 August 2005 12:34 (nineteen years ago) link

new bobby bare album is growing on me again, now that i have a copy where i can actually see his picture on the cover. what's amazing is how much SPACE there is in this music, in cuts like "i am an island" and "fellow travelers" as well as the midnight cowboy nillson cover. and frank may well be right that this lucy jordan beats marianne f's.

don, i saw that thread based on the boston quote from my book, and i found it...daunting, partially because it had been apparently going for days before i realized that it had anything to do with me. but also because i couldn't figure out where people get the idea that there was no blues in disco music (which i think edd hurt wound up pointing out, eventually). the james gang/boston analogies made a lot sense; don't think i was ever trying to say that boston's *music* was bluesless, per se, but honestly, who knows what i was thinking then...

dumn question about the jeremiahs: who ARE shadrach, meshach, and abednego? i only gather they're in the bible from those old sly stone and beastie boys songs. (catholics didn't have sunday school, you know, just CCD*. if it wasn't in the gospels, we didn't learn it.)

* - actually, since I went to schools named Immaculate Heart of Mary and Our Lady of Refuge through eighth grade, I didn't have to go to CCD either; that was for public school Catholics making up for their downtime. My mention of it here is primarily a Hold Steady reference.

xhuxk, Thursday, 25 August 2005 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link

(actually, we didn't learn much of what was IN the gospels, either, come to think of it. But we did memorize the sacraments and stuff.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 25 August 2005 22:37 (nineteen years ago) link

shadrach, meshach and abednego were jews living under king nebuchadnezzar, in babylon. the king built a golden idol and these three refused to worship it, so they were thrown into a fiery furnace. but they had an angel looking after them and they not only survived the fire, but were seen dancing in the flames. I believe they eventually gained power because of this, which is pretty impressive. this story is in Daniel, if I remember right. I read a funny postmodern interpretation of the beastie boys' tune somewhere a while back, too.

there's a great chet flippo piece on bobby bare and his prowess as a fisherman, out on old hickory lake east of nashville, in flippo's collection "everybody was kung-fu dancing."

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 26 August 2005 02:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Chuck, Begonias is the Thad Cockrell/Caitlin Cary release. Great stuff.

Jim Reckling (Jim Reckling), Friday, 26 August 2005 02:43 (nineteen years ago) link

(xxuhxx, was a ZZCreemture feature in which Billy F.G. xxxpressed deelite in thee Rockman, which Scholz invented, so how blues-free could Boston b? But blues-free and bluesless can still relate sigifyingly to blues, like the more interesting postmodern to modern, or even Hazel Moates' Church Without Christ; and angst, neurosis, phobias, etc.can make for good and bad blues-free blues, like I was saying about Clapton, and has something to do with good and bad effects of "country music is white man's blues"; some of that is good and bad blues-free blues too: familiar soundshapes twist in dif emotional direction, and/or drain)Which might have to do with what Frank's speculating about how his and my takes on Hall might augment: being the overtaxed (incl. over self-willed, self-determined in more ways than one) journeyman/ex-star-on-paper/aging dawg soldier/careerist takes familiar soundshapes toward drain, and I'm sure he sees it and means to march around it and keep going)(not to belittle; there's even a Dylan quote:"I know I can't write like I used to, but sometimes on stage it works out.") Frank's typo makes Travis seem even more intriguing, but either way I'll check it out (now to read Haiku's Marty)(oh yeah, Greg just said that Hall, who xpost toured Japan with the probably-still-not-purified Jeff Beck, is now out with Bosyphillis [or "Hank Jr." as Greg would say]

don, Friday, 26 August 2005 04:08 (nineteen years ago) link

bobby bare jr. in *Ice* on bobby bare's album (which jr. apparently produced along with mark nevers from indie alt-country whatevers lambchop, who i don't think i've ever actually listened to): "Once [dad] started letting us get really weird -- eccentric space noise and Star Trek harmonies -- he just sat back and smiled. It was kind of taking Dad into our kind of world." So it IS an indie-rock record, yikes. Apparently bare jr. researched songs from the '40s and '50s on the Net, too, to find stuff for Dad to sing. Dad knew the words to most of the ones son found, but still, I gotta say, rightly or wrongly (probably wrongly) the blatanly self-congratulatory let's-make-a-point-of-being-"weird"ness makes me cynical about the CD (a' la lots of resurrection efforts: tom petty with del shannon, bruce with gary us bonds, pet shop boys with liza, jack white with loretta, propellorheads with shirley bassey, whatever [actually a bunch of those probably don't really apply for whatever reason]...there's something CAMP about this project. But right, the record's the same as it was before I learned that stuff, and I shouldn''t let no lambchops affect my opinion of it.)

Dave Gonazles of the Hacienda Brothers in *CMA Closeup* says if he could go back to any time in history, it''d be the early '60s., thanks to really good motorcycles and clothes and "polite and straight up and neighborly" people, but also "there was no hard rock to screw up anyone's eardrums or airwaves yet." Funny, because the Haciendas kinda rock. But anyway, this is just about the only explicit ANTI-hard-rock statement I've heard lately.

Erika Jo, on the other hand, on the facing page says she wants to cover "Every Rose Has Its Thorn" by Poison. Go for it, Erika! Apparently she's covered Alanah Myles and Mister Misteer (they do "Broken Wings," right? Or was that Mike and the Mechanics?) before.

xhuxk, Friday, 26 August 2005 10:47 (nineteen years ago) link

and oh yeah, duh, same page, cowboy troy says the song he most wants to cover is "enter sandman" by metallica (talk about blatanly self-congratulatory let's-make-a-point-of-being-"weird"ness, ok, maybe not, and i should talk, right?). no big surprise by now, really, but still, take that hacienda brothers!

xhuxk, Friday, 26 August 2005 11:10 (nineteen years ago) link

metal mike saunders on miranda lambert, via email, a couple days ago:

>ahh -- Miranda Lambert was one of the two hard-country singers i really, really liked in spring 2004's Nashville Star season 1 (uno). but in both my network/myspace journals (probably duped from e-mails?) i did not take the time to learn / look up any of the singers' names -- here's the except(s) that refers to her by infererence -- i guess i got super distracted by American Idol (and wrote about 3,000,000 words on it, episodically, for the hell of it) and never wrote/saved any later posts on Nashville Star. but i remember being REALLY pissed off that one of the 2 or 3 great female hard-country voices didn't win. Lambert came in 2nd? that's what Google says.

>

10 points for trainspotting, minus 6 for lazy researching and failing to punch up Google to find the show's SONY-sponsored website. "and some crazy black guy who played an upside down stratocaster last night at Monterey."


re the KEROSENE album you guys were discussing --

the Amazon.com 20-second verse/chorus samples for this second album / major label debut show the same hard-country voice (somewhere in the Loretta Lynn ballpark, but with better rhythmic force, like there's a firecracker up M's butt and she's pushing the beat constantly) and i would buy the album immediately...or at least look for a $7.95 used copy in the country section in my next weekly trip by the big local store.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0007OP284/qid=1124773202/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-4102378-1267004?v=glance&s=music&n=507846
i like every single hook i'm hearing to every single song, even just in squashed PC-speaker samples.

has anyone heard the Lambert Year 2001 10-song self-pressed indie CD/album issued at age 18? apparently it was nuked into permanent o/p status after the Sony deal. (she wrote or co-wrote all of it) (see bio below, copied from a Texas country music site that an Ebay listing had linked) (an autographed Ebay copy of the CD went for $50 Buy It Now, and was the only copy changing hands on the last 3 weeks' cue). (picture attached)

geography recollection: fyi, Lindale TX is just 15 miles north of Tyler, just barely on the other side of I-20 that heads due East from Dallas to Shreveport. 80 - 90 miles east of Dallas/Ft. Worth is about right. Tyler? duh! Mouse & The Traps were from Tyler, ditto their producer Robin Hood Brians. stopped there once on the 500 mile drive from Austin back to Little Rock on a 1972 school holiday weekend to talk to / interview the guy, but he either didn't remember much about the 60's garage bands he recorded there or i didn't have a Q/A list planned anyway...snail mail era, hell, i probably just showed up and knocked on the door w/my Rob Tyner afro and said, "um, i write reviews for Rolling Stone, are you Robin Hood Brians who cut Mouse & The Traps?" he gave me MT copies of the first two Mouse/Traps 45s when i headed back out so it was a most worthwhile 40 mile sidetrack from the normal route home,
I-30 to the northeast up into Arkansas.

anyway re Lambert's bio, Tyler was REAL "country" farmland back then. hardcore East Texas flatlands for sure. can anyone say Nacogdoches?

back in Oakland/Hayward: with the Oakland A's daily pennant drive on top of the WNBA playoffs-drive, piggybacked now by the Little League World Series and its last weekend's Regional Finals, has had the "new music" thing a forgotten second category this summer (it's hard enough just keeping up with the processing of piles of 50 cent and 69 cent albums i keep finding at the thrift stores). i'll check out Hope Partlow's web info/samples after this weekend's LL World Series Semi-Finals/Finals. priorties you know.

i love pop-country when the songs are strong (most aren't, seems like there were better songs scattered throughout the mid-late 90's), and i have loved pre-1960 (the gimp "Nashville Sound" w/strings and vocal choirs per Chet Atkins/Owen Bradley was actually late 50's in inception) trad country of every type since first finding mono cutout lps thirty five years ago....but the minute they start using electric bass (with rare exceptions like the Bakersfield sound), forget it, it's bullshit.

therefore i hate "alt-country" just per genre definition alone, and someone's going to have to do a lot bigger selling job (on me) than they did for Chuck Eddy. i'm not a playa, i'm a hata. only "americana" artist i ever liked was Kim Richie, and she was really straight country/pop-country who they couldn't find a sales niche for.

Miranda Lambert (st) (2001)

10 Tracks - all songs by Miranda Lambert except (M/R) = Miranda with her dad Rick - UPC#801655014523
1. Somebody Else
2. Texas Pride (M/R)
3. Lyin' Here
4. Another Heartache (M/R)
5. What in the World
6. Jack Daniels
7. Texas As Hel!
8. Something that I like about a Honky Tonk (M/R)
9. Last Goodbye
10. Wichita Falls (M/R)

xhuxk, Friday, 26 August 2005 13:22 (nineteen years ago) link

more metal mike on miranda:

>i liked her voice immediately back on NS, i dunno how i got her mislabeled (in that post) as an Okie. i can't listen to one minute of Dolly Parton (any song, any decade) or anything by Loretta Lynn but her very best (60's) songs... Lambert's hard twang is from the Lynn neighborhood and i like it lot better. note that my post (re NS) called her a "honky tonk" singer...i recall for sure she did one or two honky-tonk shuffle tempo tunes.

the record store had a nice sealed $7.95 promo when i stopped by there, so i'm only 5 months behind the world.

the only 50's/60's female country voices i REALLY like, Norma Jean and Jean Shepard, fall exactly into that same vocal style/sound, so at least i'm consistent in being such a hata.

xhuxk, Friday, 26 August 2005 13:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Great that Mike groks the Miranda; she's gonna be way up my Nashville Scene list this year. He notes "rhythmic force," hell yeah, and on the pre-show at the CMT Video Awards, her drummer rocked the hell out of "Me And Charlie Talking," of all things. (Not that the studio version doesn't kick, and the bit about what happens if you stick your love wishes in a mason jar like fireflies, either as a child or as a wishin'-and-hopin'-*only* post-child, I take it, is an implied cautionary kicker.)That first album, which allmusic said her Dad paid for, was going for a lot more than $50 when I checked, though that may have been Amazon, not eBay. I think Loretta with Jack White is pretty sweet, playful, kinda poignant sometimes, not just self-congratulatory, though obviously they're excited to be doing it, and have reason to congatulate themselves, long as they don't stop there, which they don't. (Frank, meant to say, you're right about MJs lyrics having less apppeal to me cos they're about *being* saved, a done deal, vs. Travis, in your description, dramatically struggling with appeal and wages of sin. So far, on that Goodbye Babylon gospel box Luc burned for me, the done deal is slowing my delving down quite a bit, although if there were more music-over-words grabbing me, more of the shape note hymns for isnt, the savedness/doneness would be no problem.) Since I brought up the Blues-free/Bluesless/postblues blues (sometimes Cluesless and sometimes good), here's a better example, mrntioned on that thread: EC's live adventures reached a peak again when he challenged himself by bringing Robert Cray's songs and guitar into his band, though was mainly the latter. Still formalist (were talking about EC as formal, armslength bluesism), but, as form is Show Of Chops and Cutting Contest, within those bounds, things could get squezed to pretty wild, wide, big fun, nervous energy to endorphic bliss (the Hold Steady Almos Ki Me). Then his son suddenly died, and he went away, came back with carefully muted/sedated MTV Unplugged set, which he didn't want released as album, but sounds carefully planned, as intended live set. ("Layla" now cautious if prowly:" got me, on my, knees" not orig crisis mode of "GotmeonmyKNEES.") Then he went away again and did a bunch of stuff (like, under another name, chilled techno blues), and came back behind a wall of of blues-as-noise, From The Cradle (in part a ref to his child? Child is father to the lapsed Bluethelic-who-sends-hisself-back to blues-school, blues-bearing, blues-armored man, way back there, and on the road again?)George Strait and Alan Jackson can have good and bad blues-rationed blues too. Okay NOW to haiku's Marty.

don, Friday, 26 August 2005 14:46 (nineteen years ago) link

now that brooks & dunn boogie "whiskey do my talkin" is sounding like they're trying way too hard (and not realy convincingly) to be hard; poppier tracks like "one more roll of the dice" and "just another neon night" (though its main character seems to be some bar roughneck yelling less rap more haggard in a bar then getting in a fight while a band called randy and the redstripes or something plays) has way more ease to it. still, nothing is nearly killing me on this so far.

xhuxk, Friday, 26 August 2005 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link

or ricky and the red streaks? something like that. and maybe he's telling his redneck buddies to turn off the rap and put on haggard *before* they head to the bar and get in cowboy fights, which would be both more open-hearted and more interesting, but i'm not sure.

btw, gretchen's skoal ring is suddenly quite controversial:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/entertainment/12475890.htm

xhuxk, Friday, 26 August 2005 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link

ok, on fourth thought, i'm back to leaning toward "hate" in my love/hate relationship with bare's CD. the kid chorus in that last cut, "fellow travelers," especially, turns out to be almost unbearably precious, in a stereolab producing the langley schools reunion/esquivel-night at the local indie lounge kinda way. so i dunno....

xhuxk, Friday, 26 August 2005 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link

>>ricky and the red streaks

don, Saturday, 27 August 2005 00:48 (nineteen years ago) link

what's this thing doing>>ricky and the red streaks

don, Saturday, 27 August 2005 00:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Trouble posting.Briefly:Matt's Marty good,confirms and intrigues(more later) My NASCAR mix(much shorter than xpost,comments added): please go to creativeloafing.com, click on Charlotte, click on music, read Kandia's "Multi-Colored Lady"(which inspired radio station, so she's pontooning with Billy Currington Sat.!) Then you may (or may not) scroll down to mine,"Gone With the Vroom."Hope it's good.

don, Saturday, 27 August 2005 01:27 (nineteen years ago) link

That worked (Matt, I gotta hear the Indian one too! More later)I'll try this link to my(but read hers too): http://charlotte.creativeloafing.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050824/CHAVIBES02/508240327/-1/CHAVIBES

don, Saturday, 27 August 2005 01:34 (nineteen years ago) link

>and maybe he's telling his redneck buddies to turn off the rap and put on haggard *before* they head to the bar and get in cowboy fights<

yep, this is what it's about, it turns out -- dude also has a confederate flag hat according to the lyrics, and brooks and dunn are clearly poking fun at him, not identifying with him. very, very good track, as is the dice-roll one that thematically reminds me of "do it again" by steely dan (for both gambling and loving a little wild one obsessive-comulsion reasons)

the just another broken promised land song on the native-american homage marty stuart album is pretty great too, total prog-etti western bombast (bombast maybe inspired by darkness at the edge of town? album's called badlands remember) about, apparently, bill clinton visiting the poorest county in the whole usa, apparently a reservation community in south dakota, in the mid/late '90s as part of a war on poverty and promising what could never be delivered, and the FBI, CIA, GOD, etc coming along for the ride. Not sure how accurate the story is (don't recall reading about it in the papers), but it's gripping anyway.

todd snider 1994-98 or whatever best of is more consistiently entertaining and funnier overall and less demo-sounding than the last album by him, even though his version of "allright guy" isn't as good as gary allan's and though "talking seattle grunge rock blues" isn't as funny as "smells like nirvana" by weird al and though the punked up version of "margarittaville" is pretty much a pro forma joke.

terri clark's "slow news day" is giving me mixed feelings, though the chorus sounds great. the words mention *the passion of christ* though not by name, and seem to say it inspired bible-fighting jesus wouldn't approve of, though i dunno if that's supposed to be a criticism of the movie or not. also she seems to fall for the dumb line that journalists avoid reporting "good news" and only report the bad. still, a good track, on a good album. terri's politics may well be not entirely stupid (she's canadian, right?), but I'm not really sure yet.

billy joe shaver's *the real deal* has at least 3 great tracks on it -- "slim chance and the can't hardly playboys," "the real deal," "if the trailer's rockin' don't come knockin," all of which suggest he's got some michael hurley in him and when compared to the album's slower tracks suggest, um, he should probably avoid slower tracks. even the epic murder ballad(s) come off a bit flat. but the flaco jiminez "feliz navidad" collab is fun, and the "i changed my mind" rockabilly is fun, and the "live forever" big & rich collab has beautiful stuff about (rapturous? he also does something called "jesus christ is still the king") ending of the world, and a big-kenny-solo-album-worthy ending. high point of the album, though is the line in "slim chance and the can't hardly playboys" (who'd probably beat ricky and the red streaks in a battle of the bands, i've decided) where (something like) "they got a new single out on Polish Records/and soon it'll be another Polish hit," except it sounds like "pile o' shit" how Billy Joe sings it. Also, maybe the slow songs will grow on me, right?

xhuxk, Saturday, 27 August 2005 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link

polish = short o (as in lemon pledge) not long o (as in polkas) btw

xhuxk, Saturday, 27 August 2005 19:09 (nineteen years ago) link

CMT had a little docette about Marty and Connie going up to the Rez, to play some tracks for the Indians (will they approve? Suspenseful Reality TV!) And also a concert outdoors, though we got to hear very little of this (even if we were meant to, CMT can get mad with the commercials lately: during Top 20 Countdown this morning, they came back in the *middle* of "Talkin' Song Repair Blues," so just looke like Alan Jackson was being uncharactertically snotty to the aspiring songwriter/car mechanic, when the whole point is that AJ is doing what a lot of us would like to do, which is turn the tables on one who seems to be ripping us off, if not dropping lofty science-alibi-diagnosis just for the snot of it)( by Dennis Linde, of "Burning Love" and "Goodbye Earle")The Clinton-promise story is all too plausible, of course. I'd like to hear Honky Tonk Heroes, cos I suspect Waylon can't fall into his rut too easily, keeping up with Shaver's catchiness, those being from both their primes. I like "I'm just an ol' chunk of coal, but I'm gon' be a diamond someday," cos a lump gets to be a diamond via compression, which, esp. with wordlimits, I aspire to myself; and also I take it he welcomes/has faith in the more postive effects of tension,etc. The philosophizing on The Earth Rolls On could get poetic and all, and Eddy's guitar (think he ODd during or right after recording?) helps/challenges the drama, but what I really like is "Amararillo": BJ is a gifted cusser! Not many are. Fave is an older one, "I Been To Georgia On A Fast Train," where Eddy raves up while Dad rants, "I got a fine Christian raisin' and a 8th Grade edjuhcayshun and I ain't gon', be treated this-a-way!"

don, Saturday, 27 August 2005 21:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Matt confirms my impression of Marty as born to curate (not *be* a curate; he'd be a wicked vicar). And good to spotlight his sea urchin mullet, which must be willed to CMF, if not Smithsonian.

don, Sunday, 28 August 2005 01:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Now (2:15 CST) playing on CMT: re-run of "Crossroads" feat. ZZ Top/Brooks & Dunn, opening with "Tush," yow. B&D got a good band, but doesn't even matter, Vroooom (since-flushed host introduces" a Texas tornado meets a Lousiana typhoon," esp. appropriate re current Katrina's Category 5x, Camille-and-then-some projection)Which reminds me--gotta go

don, Sunday, 28 August 2005 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Sun. (2:15 CST) playing on CMT: re-run of "Crossroads" feat. ZZ Top/Brooks & Dunn, opening with "Tush," yow. B&D got a good band, but doesn't even matter, Vroooom (since-flushed host introduces" a Texas tornado meets a Lousiana typhoon," esp. appropriate re current Katrina's Category 5x, Camille-and-then-some projection)Which reminds me--gotta go

don, Sunday, 28 August 2005 18:22 (nineteen years ago) link

man, i've got to come here more often...
anyone find out anymore about gamelan country? or country gamelan? having tha-thunked and de-danged the saron demungs and kempuls in a javanese orch. before, i'm curious to how this will sound. not much help to be found at angry country.com tho...

Beta (abeta), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 14:46 (nineteen years ago) link

andy I have no idea what you're talking about.

anyone heard from Don?

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Matt, somewhere upthread I mentioned a press release on angycountry.com: Tantowi Yahya (whom I should have mentioned by name) is an Indonesian country singer/bandleader/TV host/entrepreneur, this summer an Eisehower Fellow, studying music biz in Nashville. Said he was gonna/hoped to put together a concert there, with gamelan orchestra playing country, Nashville cats (inlc. classical, I think) playing Indonesian music. This was supposed to take place in August, but I didn't find anything in Google News Advanced just now. However, if you Advance Search his name in Google main, you get 316 "English pages"! (A couple of 'em aren't in English, but all the others are, incl. Indonesian bloggers describing his concerts.) Oh man. "What is happened down here is the wind have changed..." ("They're tryin' to wash us away" will take on more and more weight, mebbe: see arguments already on Katrina's Aftermath thread in ILE)The sky is cryin' but now ain't the time for your tears, Mr Blue Sky! Not for a while please.

don, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

best tracks on the new brooks and dunn, in my current estimation: "she's about as lonely as i'm going to let her get," "hillbilly deluxe," "one more roll of the dice," "just another neon night." then probably either "her west was wilder" or "again" or "whiskey do my talkin'." most irritating cut is either "play something country" (which okay, may not be as bad as i suggest above, the guitars are indeed okay as don says, but the "p diddy" line is already outdated and the album might not even be out yet!) or "believe" (an apparent and obviously specious as always, argument of a supreme being's existence from design, what horseshit, but probably not an awful gospel track despite that). other tracks seem to be *duller* (= more ignorable) than those, though. still: at least four great + three good tracks = an album worth owning for sure.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 17:09 (nineteen years ago) link

considering the round about its getting on cmt, the first single of the brooks and dunn is exactky as awful as yr first estimation...i hate them.

the new richard thompson, is it country, can we talk about it here?

i think in many ways its same old thompson, but what he does is so good, and his voice is so rich, that i acn forgive that, its not my favourite of the year by any stretch but its handsome, and much better as elder craftsmen then the yoakham, for example.

and its realy really well written, almost too archtypal and abstract, but good for it

anthony, Thursday, 1 September 2005 10:31 (nineteen years ago) link

>...i hate them<

why? just curious. though you are right to hate that one song.

chris cagle: was he ever any good before? the one album i tried listening to before did nothing for me, seemed pretty bleh, but *anywhere but here* due out in early october is good southern rock-via-hair metal-via montgomery gentry stuff. first line on the album has him saying he can play his music as loud as he wants; that song also says don't take my family farm and don't take my job overseas or i'll kick your ass. that's "might wanna think about it," which i like, and i also like "wal-mart parking lot," "anywhere but here," "hey y'all," "when i get there," and the cover of bon jovi's "wanted dead or alive" (also covered by M.G. on a bull-riding association compilation a few years ago), which is track #9, though it's unlisted on the back of the advance CD (which just jumps from #8 to #10), so maybe he didn't get legal clearance for it from jon yet.

xhuxk, Thursday, 1 September 2005 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Cagle is very humble about his own talents, but I have always thought that humility to be very warranted. He smirked his way through "Chicks Dig Scars" or whatever that was, but his one where he's in his old hometown was almost as good as Black Sabbath's "Pink Houses."

Bobby Bare = eh.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 1 September 2005 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link

> Black Sabbath's "Pink Houses."<

I don't get this, but it made me chuckle anyway.

Marty Stuart's gospel thang on now. I can see what Matt likes about it, maybe. It's all pleasant. One song starts like "Baby Please Don't Go Down To New Orleans." "The Gospel of Noah's Ark" makes me *think* of New Orleans now, sadly, and the music in it has a good sense of space that makes it spookier. Still. Marty is a really dull singer, just like I opined above. This record might be more consistent than his Indian one, which is too messy to painlessly play all the way through, but I still prefer him being pretentious. And I prefer him playing Ennio Morricone guitars to suburban poolhall blues ones. The B-3 imitates a pipe organ okay, I guess. But maybe Marty should get the Mighty Jeremiahs to back him up next time he goes to church.

xhuxk, Thursday, 1 September 2005 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, the Dixie Hummingbirds (Swan Silvertones? Might Clouds of Joy? how the hell would I know?)-style harmony parts have warmth to them, but I still definitely prefer weird Marty to reverent Marty (in fact, his weirdness would be better if it had less reverence in it too).

xhuxk, Thursday, 1 September 2005 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I predict it'll grow on you if you listen to it a couple times. That's what happened to me. And I think this album is pretty dang positive for being Christian without being sturm-und-drung about it...maybe he should have done a song called "Convert or I'll Beat You to Death With a Baseball Bat in Front of My Children and Then a Cross Will Glow on My Partner's Leather Vest"!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 1 September 2005 17:39 (nineteen years ago) link

(an apparent and obviously specious as always, argument of a supreme being's existence from design

What? Brooks & Dunn are into creationism, too? Well, they know their constituents. Sixty percent of Americans think it ought to be taught in schools alongside evolution biology.

As for the vid for "Play Some Country," have to collect on the bounty from the chick in Daisy Dukes. Back to back with Simpson's "These Boots" vid, though, makes it seem a lot better.

Then it morphs into stripper rock bar lite. If the camera stays off Ronnie Dunn playing guitar, it's more convincing. As boogie rock
it's OK but there are much better renditions on Luke Stricklin, who's a complete unknown. And if you're going to listen to boogie rock, always best to go for the real thing, hmmm, like Stoney Curtis of Michael Katon. What's nicotine-free boogie rock in country for? Housewives, girls who don't like loud, Faith Hill's backing band on "Mississippi Girl"? (The pick scrapes from them are louder than the rhythm guitar mix on that song.)

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 1 September 2005 18:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, I don't think the B&D song is a literal biblical creation (as opposed to evolution) argument per se'; more like "there must be a God because this world is so wonderful." Doesn't specify which wheels said deity may have set into motion. But it sure begs the question.

xhuxk, Thursday, 1 September 2005 19:11 (nineteen years ago) link

i wrote about cagles we're making singers out of cowboy hats, rockist as all hell, but enjoyable.

im not sure why i hate b&d, i havent even thot about it, its just visceral. i find them derritiave, i think, but i dont really care about that, and i find their voices grating, but its mostly visceral, which isnt cool critically

anthony, Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe "Play Somthing" guitar sounds good mainly in contrast to lazy crappiness of most of the rest of the song ("what else are we gonna do?" Brooks asked an interviewer recently. Do it better, that would be "else" enough.)Dunn's voice is okay, but thrown away, too often not in a cool way, these days. (Next to Dunn, Brooks is Hall, at best; or Hall and a boot-scoot go-go boy, at *very* best; at three-for-the-price-of-two best, next to Dunn and the B&D lead player, Brooks is also the guy in Mountain you could never hear). Meanwhile ("Buh-Buh-But They Owe Me Promos!" Dept.) Toby vs.Stroud ?! UNIVERSAL SHUTS DOWN DREAMWORKS NASHVILLE http://www.billboard.com/bb/biz/newsroom/business_finance/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001053026 (Speaking of DreamWorks, I hear Bruce braying "C'mom RIIIII-IIIIIIISE, Up" on NBC right now. O shit. The desperate will power, shredding musical interest along with all other such mundane considerations, is as scary as he must've intended, scary as yesterday and tommorrow, shredded together til they rise up, if in a pile)(you gotta stop and start somewhere)

don, Friday, 2 September 2005 02:22 (nineteen years ago) link

paid $5 for a used copy of trick pony's 2001 self-titled debut over the weekend. despite the big kenny looking guy, they are not nearly as oddball as big & rich (or trick daddy for that matter), but they are pop-friendly and sex-friendly and have no puritan sticks up their asses, and i like them. best tracks are "on a night like this" (which i think was a big hit; remember hearing it on the radio at the time --great barbara mandrell/dolly parton "romeo"/tlc type girl-talk parts) and "spent" (a rocker about what happens to money), but i like most of the other songs too. concept of "big river": get two guys who are gonna die really soon (cash and jennings) to help you sing about the mississippi. concept of "you can't say that on the radio": lying, because it is perfectly allowed to say "that" on the radio (i assume they mean the word, since i don't think they otherwise explain what you can't say on the radio). concept of "not hidden track": nonsense recorded in the studio before recording of album, about eating fish and stuff. supposedly they've a new album coming out; i wanna hear it.

xhuxk, Friday, 2 September 2005 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link

magnolia electric co *hard to love a man* EP is liked slowed down and cough syruped neil young without neil's melodies, better than the boring studio album they put out earlier this year because it's shorter, because it's got at least a title (don't ask me about the actual song) about baseball ("32 years in the minor leagues"), and because its "werewolves of london" cover makes that song's "sweet home alabama" guitar connection more explicit than i've ever noticed anybody making it before. but the place to start (and proabably end) with them is their live album from late last year (which i plugged at the top of this thread), which is a lot less lifeless than this is.

xhuxk, Friday, 2 September 2005 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link

(i.e, the live CD had some crazy horse in it, too, which helped.)

xhuxk, Friday, 2 September 2005 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw a poster in NYC for the new Gretchen Wilson album. It said she'll be appearing in "Union Square" on 9/7. Virgin Records, maybe? Anyone know?

Sang Freud (jeff_s), Saturday, 3 September 2005 14:37 (nineteen years ago) link

supposedly "union square park" (i guess that just means the outside upraised area surrounding the subway station) wednesday at noon (or half past maybe?), with big $ rich; cowboy troy's there the next day with that turrington guy who dueted with shania last year (no shania's not scheduled to show.) mere steps from my office, but sadly, i may not be able to make it to either set. sigh...

xhuxk, Saturday, 3 September 2005 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link

(actually, white stripes played there last summer, now that i think of it.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 3 September 2005 15:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks, xhuxk. Ouch, noon, huh? My wife, who caught the CBs B$R show, and also drove up to Binghampton to see 'em, is going to shed tears when she finds out she can't go to this one. . .

Sang Freud (jeff_s), Saturday, 3 September 2005 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link

xposts(and xxhuxx, lemme know if you didn't get what I sent you this morning [subject: Shelly (last word)(Sat AM Mix)]) 1)Anthony, I think Richard Thompson does or can at times pertain to country. The whiteboy blue denim (not blues per se)preoccupations; relish of lyrical and tuneful turns; the pickin', which can still surprise, but is usually in support/part of the song; dawg vocals. And why did neither Hank nor Willie nor Robbie fulkin' Fulks, even, never write about busting your cheatin' heart for evidence he found while going though yr. billfold? Also like Jo-El Sonnier's version of "Tear-Stained Letter" and Del McCoury's of "1952 Vincent Black Lightning."2) The benefit concert last night: Tim McGraw's vocals were very moving, though the changes were somewhut distractingly smoove on the Inspirational "More Power To You", and the one about Labor Day wasn't cute *enough* to distract/divert from the depressiveness of the occasion. Had to go down the hall while Faith was on, but she sounded good, what I heard of it. Aaron Neville's interpretation (despite his patented sound) of "Louisiana 1929" was searing, the most/only emotionally dynamic performance of the evening (Musical performance,that is: so aside from Kanye's speech,which was as precarious as the show's whole vibe, buthe was pushing himself to be honest as possible.)"The wind have changed"/"some people got lost in the flood, some people got away alright"/They're tryin' to wash us away" and the verse I'd forgotten, about the President comin' down here, oowee...

don, Saturday, 3 September 2005 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

OMG, just saw that re-broadcast of The Outlaws Concert is already in progess on CMT: it's 6:45 (Central), but lasts til 8. (Monkey G. just melted down something, good as their live "Gone," which I hope I haven't missed; then Jessi and Bochephus did "Good Hearted Woman"(her songs on reissued, expanded Wanted:The Outlaws,really hit the spot; think she's supposed to be working on new album)

don, Saturday, 3 September 2005 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

i have to read the parts of this thread that i have missed. has everyone agreed that "Alcohol" is the single of the year? or is everyone going with "Talkin' Song Repair Blues"? It's a tough choice. They are both making my top ten.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 September 2005 22:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Both are Top Ten-bait for sure (at least Nashville Scene's; most of my country ends up there only, to make more room on P&J)(but this year I'll be doing a ballot for Creative Loafing too, which is lucky, cos sure seems like more good stuff this year than last, or more plausibly Top Ten-worthy than last: always good stuff, but not always much compelling, in country, especially)

don, Sunday, 4 September 2005 01:06 (nineteen years ago) link

i like alchol (sp) good enough, but some of the lyrics strike me as problematic, i loathe the smug assholism pretending to be good old boy craft of talking repair shop blues.

anthony, Sunday, 4 September 2005 01:43 (nineteen years ago) link

He's *mocking, turning the tables on* smug assholism of the car shop guy, who's talking "tech" condescendingly to his customer (quite possibly as a smokescreen for rip-offs, in my experience). The ahole, assuming he's got the upper hand, then asks for free professional advice from the customer. Now, perhaps this is an excuse for songwriter Dennis Linde to show off his own tech-talk (which may be exaggerated for the occasion, but so may be the mechanic's). But he wrote "Burnin Love","Goodbye Earl[e]," Shelly Fairchild's "Down In Muddy Water," and a bunch more that entitle him to show off. (And even if he hadn't, this 'un is pretty cute, with distinctive use of lingo in a song, and the writing-geek in me digs his diagnostic)

don, Sunday, 4 September 2005 02:09 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, i love the lyrics.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 4 September 2005 02:10 (nineteen years ago) link

i think i posted what i wrote about it earlier in this thread, i think its dick wagging.

anthony, Sunday, 4 September 2005 03:55 (nineteen years ago) link

sounds good to me. And speaking of Richard Thompson , just heard a mostly sterling live set on World Cafe (don't think I like the new, waggish "Hots For Smarts" so well,and 8 verses!)But motorvating "Hokey Pokey," prev. mentioned "1952 Vincent Black Lightining," good (new and old)ballads too.

don, Sunday, 4 September 2005 04:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, Don, saw parts of the Outlaws Concert. Montgomery Gentry did Blackfoot's "Train, Train" from the "Stikes" album. Straight-up as boogie metal.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 4 September 2005 05:09 (nineteen years ago) link

im writing my review of thompson right now, and parts of it are small and dark and self contained, his voice is as strong as ever, and hes quite clever, ive been singing along to some of it, walking abouts, but soe of it insufferably pretentious as well.

anthony, Sunday, 4 September 2005 05:37 (nineteen years ago) link

>the verse I'd forgotten, about the President comin' down here, oowee...<

So Don, did Aaron change "Coolidge" (which is what Randy's version says, right?) to the more open-ended "The President"? That wold have been cool, I think. Especially on Friday, when the President *did* go down there then leave (but did he have a fat man with him?)

xhuxk, Sunday, 4 September 2005 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

No, it was "President Coolidge". Some noted that he left out that *that* Pres condescended specifically to the "cracker."(and some reproach him for this, saying it goes along with Kanye not mentioning that Bush not only "doesn't care about black people," he also don't care about white people, if the black people and white people are poor people! But I say unto you: do we really want him to care? He cares about Iraq...) but, under present circumstances,I think Aaron appropriately chose to be as people-inclusive as the song is emotionally inclusive. The basic thing is that Coolidge rolls by to go "there, there" to li'l folks, cracker or no. Orig. version'setting is within the bounds of its Good Ol' Boy narrator's white-centric memory, and within the bounds of the time and place of the flood Newman was writing about. (Writing *in*[and *to*] early/mid70s, *about* Southern American late 20s, not science fiction re Twenty-First Century New Orleans, yknow?Although the song has legs, as its Creator made 'em.)Anthony, pls post link to RT piece when it's done.

don, Monday, 5 September 2005 00:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I keep trying to
sell my warm your heart CD
but that song, that song....

(wyh opens with aaron singing 'louisiana 1927' in case you haven't heard it, god DAMN)

also, "alcohol" isn't even in my top ten, charlie robison was right about brad paisley, he's a fucking idiot

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 5 September 2005 01:41 (nineteen years ago) link

jeez, you guys are snooty. hatin' on asshole cowboys is like hatin' on b-b-q or old crow.


Long stem things of beauty
Created by the good Lord
Cut down in the prime of their lives
Boxed up, wrapped in paper
Delivered to your front door
Just to wind up in your garbage can outside

[Chorus]
Tell me how many flowers have to die
Before you give this love another try
I've asked you to forgive me at least 9 dozen times
Tell me how many flowers have to die

I'm crazy and I'm desperate
I had you and I blew it
And right now I've got nothing left to lose
I've got a Visa in my wallet
And I'm not afraid to use it
How long the needless violence lasts
Is really up to you

[Repeat chorus]

Stop the senseless killing
Can't you hear the roses cry
Baby, how many flowers have to die
Tell me how many flowers have to die


scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 5 September 2005 02:15 (nineteen years ago) link

scott if I have to love every song by brad paisley to avoid being called snooty, then bring it on. also, just because some barbecue is good doesn't mean I have to eat it all to avoid being painted by your populister-than-thou brush (especially since I'm a vegan), and just because old crow will get you fucked up does not mean it's automatically great...religion and the films of rob zombie will also do that, but AT WHAT COST

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 5 September 2005 02:43 (nineteen years ago) link

i was just being a paisley-troll, mr. snooty snoot.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 5 September 2005 03:13 (nineteen years ago) link

i love the video for alcohol too.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 5 September 2005 03:14 (nineteen years ago) link

c'mon matt you know scott's gonna take every opp to go to bat for alcohol

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 5 September 2005 03:15 (nineteen years ago) link

haha usually me too, but that video makes me nauseous, like when I drink too much wood grain alcohol and suffer crippling pain and renal failure and go blind and wander around in a junkyard full of broken glass, and eventually die

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 5 September 2005 04:27 (nineteen years ago) link

i think "alcohol" might be the first brad paisley song i've ever much liked. (i don't get the video, though. i only saw it once.) and as i said above (or think i did), "talkin' song repair blues" might be alan jackson's best single ever. but still neither of them are in the running for my top ten, probably.

just saw a commercial on CMT for a new Crossroads episode with sugarland and jon bon jovi doing, yep, "wanted dead or alive," which (see above) is now officially to commercial country in 2005 what "time has come today" by the chambers bros was to punk rock bands in the early '80s. must be that "i'm a cowboy, on a steel horse i ride" line, which also explains why erika jo wants to cover "every rose has its thorn" ("every cowboy sings a sad sad song.") country artists are hereby encouraged to check out the cowboy campfire hair-metal song paragraph in the power ballad chapter of my second book. how long til one of them covers tesla, i wonder? or better yet, "chip away at the stone" by aerosmith (actually, hot club of cowtown covered that one two years ago, but i want somebody to make it *rock* again. hot club of cowtown's version did at least half pull of the melody, though.) (and even "renegade" by styx can't be too far away at this point, right?)

xhuxk, Monday, 5 September 2005 18:05 (nineteen years ago) link

this makes me shiver, the hair metal and the country.

do i have to listen to that fucking jackson song again, just to prove that i might be wrong about its loathsameness?

anthony, Monday, 5 September 2005 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link

so, then, everyone's number one single is gonna be "Mississippi Girl", right? What else could it be?

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 5 September 2005 18:21 (nineteen years ago) link

"4th of July"!!

xhuxk, Monday, 5 September 2005 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link

the shooter jennings song? i dunno, he looks like a dweeb. is it better than the fourth of july songs by U2, Soundgarden, X, Aime Mann, Evanescence, Blues Traveler, Maria Carey, or Ani Difranco. Hahaha, it would almost have to be. Tho, i remember liking X's song. Is it better than this one:



She's waiting for me when I get home from work
But things just ain't the same
She turns out the light and cries in the dark
Won't answer when I call her name

Chorus

On the stairs I smoke a cigarette alone
The Mexican kids are shooting fireworks below
Hey, baby, it's the Fourth of July
Hey, baby, it's the Fourth of July

She gives me her cheek when I want her lips
And I don't have the strength to go
On the lost side of town in a dark apartment
We gave up trying so long ago

Repeat Chorus

Whatever happened, I apologize
So dry your tears and baby, walk outside
It's the Fourth of July

Repeat Chorus

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 5 September 2005 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I already asked that question back on 4th of July, Scott! The X one is great, too! But I think Shooter's one is best! (ps you left out independence day songs by bruce springsteen, van morrison, and martina mcbride! shooter's is better than those, too!)

xhuxk, Monday, 5 September 2005 20:17 (nineteen years ago) link

In addition to Montgomery Gentry's boogie metal cover of "Train, Train" on CMT Outlaws, James Hetfield made an appearance to Metallica-ize a song with the backing band. He did his nail-chewing best but it was better to switch to another channel for three minutes.

George the Animal Steele, Monday, 5 September 2005 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link

"Fourth of July" seconded for single of the year, if only for the chorus. "Alcohol" is probably second for me (aside from it and the duet with Alan Jackson, Time Well Wasted is pretty worthless btw).

Speaking of Jackson, I've only heard "Talking Song" once (seen the vid I mean) and it just struck me as really slight (the video itself, feat. the guys from Yes, Dear is fairly entertaining, can't imagine it being too compelling on the radio).

I do feel some love needs to be given to "As Good As I Once Was" as well - now there's an entertaining video (love the ending). Ditto "Lot of Leavin' Left to Do" (the part about it being a great single, not the video, I mean).

Josh Love (screamapillar), Monday, 5 September 2005 20:38 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, "lot of leavin' left to do" still a likely #2 for me (unless "kerosene" becomes a single). and "as good as it once was" is up there.

also: more listening reveals that billy joe shaver does slow songs (including murder ballads) much better than i suggested above. more listening also reveals that chris cagle does slow songs much worse. (and i still think they both do fast ones pretty good.)

xhuxk, Monday, 5 September 2005 21:07 (nineteen years ago) link

i had a great billy joe shaver album from the 70's. really wonderful songs. wish i still had it. weird/cool illustration of him on the cover.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 5 September 2005 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

all i've heard of Shaver's is the Restless Wind comp, but it's got such an embarrassing number of great songs ("Bottom Dollar," "Fit to Kill and Going Out in Style," "I'm Just an Old Chunk of Coal," "I Been to Georgia on a Fast Train") that I really should hunt up some of his other stuff.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Monday, 5 September 2005 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link

and oh yeah, the "murder ballad" ("Aunt Jessie's Chicken Ranch") ain't *just* a murder ballad. for one thing, it's eight minutes long! also it seems to involve a baby being hidden in the bark of a tree then growing up to be a man. but i'm pretty sure somebody gets shot in it, too.

xhuxk, Monday, 5 September 2005 22:39 (nineteen years ago) link

>"I'm Just an Old Chunk of Coal,"<

Strangely, I only know this from John Anderson's version (which is great) (as are plenty of other John Anderson tracks, for those of you not already aware of that particular fact.)

xhuxk, Monday, 5 September 2005 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Warm Your Heart? Ugh, what a title, who did it? Yes, Anthony, you must listen to "that fucking jackson song" over and over and over til you tell us the truth. "Tell me how many flowers must die?" Answer: All of 'em, unless they're PLASTIC, in which case: none of 'em, everrrrr. I kinda liked Hetfield getting het up over "Areyousurehankdoneitthiswaaaayarrrrghhhh." "Industrial Strength" is the term that comes to mind whenever I hear Sugarland (i.e., Jennifer Nettles). Mebbe she'll crush Jon Bonbobvonobie. What would be the point of making an Aerosmoth song rock *again* (unless it never rocked in the first place--now taking requests, labias and genotots). I like the purring, lowkey hostility and snakey instrumental symbolism of "Sweet Emotion," as performed by none other than Leo Kottke and Mike Gordon (ex of Phish; made a good antiinstructional video, Outside Out, with Col. Bruce Hampton; Mike got the shit beat out of him, though prob. not literally, for taking artistic pictures of small girlchild, offspring of bikers so maybe this track is veiled response). Chuck, I sent you Long and Short mixes of the Big Kenny/Jon Nicholson piece this evening(in the same email); hope Voice system didn't eat 'em.

don, Tuesday, 6 September 2005 03:33 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/review.php?ID=3342

anthony, Tuesday, 6 September 2005 04:18 (nineteen years ago) link

the new(ish) ian tyson is so beautiful and so lonely, and erotic, hot! it reminds me of a ruralized leonard cohen

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link

>"talkin' song repair blues" might be alan jackson's best single ever<

unless "little man" is.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 6 September 2005 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think it even really MATTERS that it is alan jackson singing that song. it's just a great country song. could be anyone singing it, really. i mean, i'd prefer to hear homer & jethro sing it, but that ain't happening, so...

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link

>I don't think it even really MATTERS that it is alan jackson singing that song<

yeah, but you could say that about *any* good alan jackson hit (all five of them -- dude really needs a best-of *EP*). it's not like the guy has a personality or anything!

xhuxk, Tuesday, 6 September 2005 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link

who needs a personality when you've got a cult

also when did it start mattering whether or not someone had a personality, did i miss a memo here

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link

who said it mattered, matt? i like five songs by him, f'r crissakes!

never knew he had a cult, though. (wow, what a boring cult!)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 6 September 2005 18:06 (nineteen years ago) link

A cult of millions, or at least milions (of geezers, or at least not children) buy his records. But it's a big ol' world, so millions can still be a cult, when millions and millions and millions more will never know and/or give a shit.

don, Tuesday, 6 September 2005 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link

hes had at least 5 or 6 that are v. v. good, and so much the good ol boy lokey personae is v. much a large portion of that...

ie what did you do when the world stopped turning, the most genuine, heartbreaking discussion of 9/11---better then almost anything that came out of it.

cattaoche, the adlutery epic from like 96, drive, gone country, chasing the neon rainbow.

i dont think that any of those could be done by anyone else,

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link

(but now Ah suspect you're right about "Song Repair," not re the words, which are inspired, but the vocal and chorus doth conspire to be a bit mickey mouse, in the strictly lower-case sense)(maybe I'm just getting burnt out cos CMT tends to play everything to death, sooner or later)

don, Tuesday, 6 September 2005 19:12 (nineteen years ago) link

so far Dierks' "Lot of Leavin' " is my #1 single. I think Paisley's "Alcohol" might be #2 at this point. I still don't like the album, but I think that's a great single. He just seems a bit smug, and a bit technocratic, somehow. I'm such a sucker for his kind of guitar playing; I feel like his talent is wasted. I also really like Keith Anderson's "XXL" as a single, much better than "Pickin' Wildflowers." Can't really get into Brooks and Dunn--a couple of good tunes on the album. And heck, I like "Mississippi Girl," which is Bobbie Gentry-lite.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 20:57 (nineteen years ago) link

anybody have any thoughts on little big town? the single, "boondocks," has a certain swampiness to it, but it's still more puritan sounding than billy joe royal's considerably more swampy "down in the boondocks". the rest of the album seems even more puritan than the single. but i don't think i hate it; i might even wind up liking it.

xhuxk, Thursday, 8 September 2005 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link

>most genuine, heartbreaking discussion of 9/11<

i'd pick "mary lou" by the beehovers, or "i want no country" by jan bell of the maybelles.

>world stopped turning, chatahoochie, drive<

i do like all these songs, though not as much as "little man" or "talking song repair". and still think they could've been sung by pretty much anybody.

>gone country<

always kinda hated this. after many years of hearing it, i now like the verses okay, and still hate the retarded chorus.

>chasing the neon rainbow, the adlutery epic from like 96<

don't remember ever hearing these. (if i did, they must've gone in one ear, out the other. which doesn't necessarily mean they're bad.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I guess I just don't like country music right now, because "Alcohol" is leaving me colder than Coolio's career in the freezer. I am listening to a lot of Del McCoury and Robbie Fulks and Marty Stuart right now but I can barely roust myself to turn on the radio to see what's new on the radio. It's cyclical, with me. Ugh. (Also, new Indian music is blowing me the hell away, sitars over banjos, sad state of affairs, etc.)

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:24 (nineteen years ago) link

what i really want to know is:

as good as i once was -vs- i love this bar

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link

considering that they are both conceits for his career in country music (the former = "how'm i doing, nashville fans, do you still love me?" and the latter = "man i love country music"), the latter is better. not just for "importance" / universality, but also because it doesn't have an awkward-ass chorus.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 8 September 2005 18:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Yall this is great! Almost TOO MUCH MAN but I found the brandy (you're afiine girl), and now I have the courage to ask: what are some country soul things I should get, cause I like soul? O COUNTRY CRITICS I LUV U thanx!

Big Fat Drunk Chick With A BoomBox, Thursday, 8 September 2005 18:32 (nineteen years ago) link

"i love this bar" wins that ts easy for me

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 8 September 2005 18:47 (nineteen years ago) link

ANTHONY HAMILTON

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 8 September 2005 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost hatin the Little Big Dick vid already: got the beat, like "mah granpa was a Injun," and later INYOREFACE mention of "Jee-zuzz" how bold, and climax is tribal chant "you get a line and I'll get a pole" OHSHUTTHAFUKUP, and put your polyester back on, and get right with Kenny and Lionel (h'mm, mebbe that Bobby Bare ironic countrypolitan album got the riggt idea)They're pushing me to the end of the downhome trend, which may eb good; ditto Trick Pony's feebsuck on the Life-During-Wartime-New-Morbidity trend combines merely competent cover of "It's a Heartache," totally inadequate soundtrack for black-and-white video of woman watching two soldiers in dress uniform, coming up her sidewalk.Cut to shot of Heidi layin' in shallows, with her cones pokin up through fishnet; then brilliantly cut to woman breaking down, having gotten We Regret To Inform You from soldiers: as jux w) Heidi's jutters, can only fill in subtitle thusly:"Oh-h-h, you mean they're not REAL?!"

don, Thursday, 8 September 2005 22:05 (nineteen years ago) link

when is anyone but mine, is that 2004 or 2005?

anthony, Friday, 9 September 2005 03:13 (nineteen years ago) link

can you mail me or ysl those two tracks to me, by any chance chuck, im having trouble finding some here in the hinterlands.

anthony, Friday, 9 September 2005 03:26 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost "Anyone But Mine" was in my 04 Top 10, but from late 04, I think; CMT played the hell out of it all this spring & early summer, so could certainly be in 05 Top 10 (nobody's gonna strike it off yr list, anyway, unless Roberts/Scalia/Thomas/etc. see it)

don, Friday, 9 September 2005 03:27 (nineteen years ago) link

"Girls With Apartments in Nashville" on Joy Lynn White's new album (whoever she is) (some Lucinda wannabe I gather) (not that I heard any of her old ones) definitely deserves to be a single. Sadly, I've yet to find another song on it that really even deserves to be an album track. (If I've missed one, please let me know.)

xhuxk, Friday, 9 September 2005 22:43 (nineteen years ago) link

>can you mail me or ysl those two tracks to me, by any chance chuck<

wouldn't know how to do this even if I knew which tracks you were talking about, anthony. (you clearly have no idea how anti-mp3 i am.)

xhuxk, Friday, 9 September 2005 22:46 (nineteen years ago) link

i meant the two tracks about 9-11. i didnt know how anti mp3 you were. i didnt mean to offend. can i ask you why

anthony, Friday, 9 September 2005 23:30 (nineteen years ago) link

he is a lazybones!! and a luddite!! and a direct descendent of mary baker eddy! (which means he won't even take his computer to the shop if there is something wrong with it!)

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 9 September 2005 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link

scott OTM! I call my christian science, um, master and he fixes it with his mind!

also, i get 50 free CDs in the mail every day, so I don't *need* to download music.

plus I want to SEE it, not just hear it.

xhuxk, Saturday, 10 September 2005 00:09 (nineteen years ago) link

but anyway, anthony, did you check those bands' websites for mp3s of the 9-11 songs? wouldn't surprise me if they're there; they're basically unknown DIY acts...

xhuxk, Saturday, 10 September 2005 00:11 (nineteen years ago) link

i will look at the websites, i have my lazy days as well. some of us dont have any cds in the mail, and depend on wal mart.

anthony, Saturday, 10 September 2005 00:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Shelter From The Storm telethon tonight: Dixie Chicks feat. Robert Randolph, "I Hope" might be the title; new to me, better be on their next album (Interesting time for them to reappear: even in Alabama, I'm starting to see a bumpersticker, "Don't Blame Me, I Didn't Vote For The SOB"[Modified leftovers from backlash against former Gov. Fob James, but still.]) Also good: Garth with Trisha (and other singers, but you know it turned into a duet),"Who'll Stop The Rain."(Or is it "Who Will"? The movie of Dog Soldiers was Who'll) (Foo Fighters,"Born On The Bayou," eh, notsogood. More good: Sheryl Crow, "The Water Is Wide," Neil Young (these last two, and a bunch of others, with gospel choirs), might be titled "Look Up," and hope it's on new album.Didn't see all of it, but The very best, though, mightwell be the opening: Mary J. singing "One" with U-2. (And I'm not exactly a U-2 fan, but Bono didn't try to horn in.)

don, Saturday, 10 September 2005 00:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I surprisingly didn't hate the Foofighters; thought it was cool how they totally *dressed up* like Creedence, too. And their "Born on the Bayou" definitely beat Garth and Trisha's "Who'll Stop the Rain" (not that I ever liked "Who'll Stop the Rain" much in the first place.) (The Foos are still the most overrated band in the world since Nirvana broke up, though.) And that Dixie Chicks song sounded great.

xhuxk, Monday, 12 September 2005 12:00 (nineteen years ago) link

little big town are growing on me, "boondocks" included. they sound dark. like nick cave only wishes he could be, or something. (except when they're just bleh, which is pretty often i admit.) and i am a sucker for you get a line i got a pole and let's go down to the crawdad pole interpolations, i guess.

new sawyer brown is long gone already and deservedly so, but just for posterity's sake, let me state here that i liked the completely extraneous jungle sounds at the start of the tarzan and jane song (which otherwise is about one millionth as good as toy box's tarzan and jane song), and they cover georgia satellites a lot worse than john anderson did a few years back, and the only other even remotely notable track (besides the great single w/ robert randolph) had some pun about kentucky in its title which i already forgot.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Hanna & McEuen, who look like very friendly guys when palling around with the VJ on CMT or was that GMC, are not as dark as they think they are when they think they are dark, and sound completely ho-hum otherwise, though people who have more use for Roy Orbison (or even Marshall Crenshaw maybe? nah probably not) than I do might disagree. Basically they are 2005's answer to what Foster& Lloyd and/or the O'Kanes sound like in my head, which is to say dullsville (and one of them wears nerd glasses even, just like some O'Kane did I think).

xhuxk, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

(listening to Notekillers grooving fierce like 2005 A.D. [post-Creedence/Cow/metal/MX-80-when-they-were-good]Newest Yardbirds, which may not be country enough for yall except it was recorded in a bar in York PA and that there girl never shuts up no matter whut's on stage/tap)Orbison's useful as an influence on Big K. solo, and Big & Rich's Horse Of A Different big purple soap oprys (not very hip hop, past a couple songs, but it mostly works, and alos reminds me more and more of The Wild The Innocent, still my fave Brooce and kin to though perhaps not an influence on the non-country/urban hicks of Hod Steady's Sep'ration Sunday [chilren of Custody Satday?])

don, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Desperate Housewives soundtrack - -damn, whoever put this together is a fucking GENIUS (though I have never seen the show): Martina McBride doing Harper VAlley PTA, Sara Evans doing One's on the Way, Anna Nalick (never heard of her, but she sounds good) doing Band of Gold, Liz Phair doing Mother's Little Helper, Indigo Girls doing Mrs. Robinson, Gloria Estefan doing Young Hearts Run Free, KD Lang doing Dreams of an Everyday Housewife (Glen Campbell!). Did they, like, read the working woman rock chapter of my second book, or what?
Did they raid my 45s shelf in the living room when I was away at work? Haven't decided how much of it I love yet; so far, seems like a lot. Shedaisy's "God Bless the American Housewife" is better than Shania's "Shoes," I think so far....and there is much more to come.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 14 September 2005 11:48 (nineteen years ago) link

kd lang doing glen campell just made me cum all over my keyboard

anthony, Wednesday, 14 September 2005 11:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, she's putting me to sleep right now. First lousy track on the album, I think - she slows it down, takes all the life out of it. I could've predicted that, probably. (As Frank Kogan said once, if KD is "torch," Taylor Dayne is a conflagration, and Teena Marie is a holocaust. One of these days maybe she'll realize that she was best with the goofy new-wave-ablly she started with way back on *Angel with a Lariat* or whatever that was called. But not today, I guess.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 14 September 2005 11:59 (nineteen years ago) link

new-wave-abilly I meant (or something like that)

Ugh, the Danny Elfman showtune-ish theme song at the end seems to suck ass, too. (Though it's really short, and the suburbia-inspired words might be okay -- something about "you can call it Maple Street or Main.") The album is clearly best when it sticks to radio pop and doesn't try to be all genteel and shit.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 14 September 2005 12:02 (nineteen years ago) link

That sounds awesome.

Hey, why didn't I notice that Deana Carter's The Story of My Life is a coming-out-of-the-closet concept album until now? Did I miss that boat or something? Because listening to it that way has helped me realize just how freakin' great the melodies are, and how soulful her little girl squeak can be. Man, my hermeneutics skillz are all thrown off these days.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 12:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I just re-read Frank's review of that album, and he takes her to task for hinting at some kind of transgression but not making it explicit...but what about the first song where she talks about PERFUME on her PILLOW? If she's talking about a guy, there, then what kind of country guy wears perfume? I guess I just blew this off when I heard it (and reviewed it), but she talks about her friend's perfume later on another song, so I think we're being about as explicit as we can in country music without being beheaded by the Taliban.

This reading also makes the "we're so shocking" thing (and the "your shirt on my floor / I've never done that before" couplet) more understandable in "Ordinary" and clarifies the Thelma and Louise-istry of "One Day at a Time"...also, it makes "Katie" into a pure sex psalm instead of a tribute-to-a-niece or whatever I thought it was back in March. Also gives a different flavor to the stalking in "She's Good for You"!

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 12:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Did Frank mention the lesbian angle in his review at all? I forget. (He definitely mentioned it in an email or over the phone to me, though. He's extremely in-tuned to that kind of stuff.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 14 September 2005 12:53 (nineteen years ago) link

He kind of accuses her of hinting at something but then not following through. ("But momma...that's where the fun is!") I think she does follow through, at least in code like all FORBIDDEN LOVE -- hey, even k.d. never sings "ooh ooh I love pussay". (ALTHOUGH IF SHE DID SHE WOULD SELL ONE MILLION COPIES.)

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 12:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Oops, I gotta take something back - I just realized that I love Shania's "Shoes"! It is about....shoes! All kinds of shoes! A girl can never have too many of 'em! She ain't got time for the flip flop kind (does that mean she didn't vote for Kerry?)! Man she likes shoes!

xhuxk, Wednesday, 14 September 2005 14:01 (nineteen years ago) link

also i just decided that i like liz phair's version of "mother's little helper" better than the stones' (who i saw live at madison square garden last night, though not that song).

xhuxk, Wednesday, 14 September 2005 14:05 (nineteen years ago) link

"Because listening to it that way has helped me realize just how freakin' great the melodies are"

jeebus, took you long enough!

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 14:25 (nineteen years ago) link

haha, I knew they were cute, but I didn't realize how twisty-turny / aimee-mannish-girlish they were until yesterday on the way home, gobsmacked because I didn't realize that she was singing about GURLZ

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 14:31 (nineteen years ago) link

So basically the Desperate Housewives soundtrack starts to get a bit campy and mannered about two-thirds of the way through (with a reprieve for estefan's real good candi staton cover). there's this bawdy thing by idina menzel called "damsel in distress" where she's on the couch and only your tool can fix her problems, nyuk nyuk. not bad, and kd's unbelievably mannered cover might not be HORRIBLE (it's still a cool lyric) ("where's the playground susie" might've been even cooler though - that one was TOTALLY updike *couples*/Ice Storm territory), but neither idina or kd really put their songs over. I kind of get the idea KD doesn't even care about the song; she just cares about presenting herself as, I dunno, classy. To hell with her. She should've studied lorrie morgan's "something in red" before trying to do "dreams of an everyday housewife" that way, probably. if you've really gotta ask for the clowns to be sent in, do it right.

Still, a possible top ten album for me. I can't stop playing it.

Comparing Deana Carter to Aimme Mann kinda creeps me out, though..eek.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 14 September 2005 15:31 (nineteen years ago) link

just in terms of "how about THIS new beatle-y chord, right HERE, where no one's expecting it, and then two extra bars NOW before the chorus", don't get yr knickers twisted xxxxk!

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh OK! But didn't Deana do that on her previous album, as well?

xhuxk, Wednesday, 14 September 2005 16:28 (nineteen years ago) link

wouldn't it have been cool if Deana had been able to use Jack Nitzsche or Van Dyke Parks or one of those guys? It's such a cool California Beatles thing she does. I was kinda wondering about the lesbian angle a while back on that one too--the woman dresses like a soft-focus dominatrix/Wiccan or something.

saw Laura Cantrell do a little set last week, with some great Nashville sessioneers and Fats Kaplin, one of the town's better fiddlers. Her songs don't knock me out, except for about three on her new one, but she's obviously intelligent and dignified and all that. But I think "Old Downtown" is one of the best things I've heard all year. I e-mailed Chuck about this earlier: I was really impressed by Bobby Bare Sr. at the Americana Conference. Came across so much better than he does on record, and he was funny as hell and played some loud basic guitar shit that at times wasn't like anything I've ever heard a country artist do. Much better than Marty Stuart and Kenny Vaughn, both amazing guitar players, but their whole thing was shtick, I wish they'd just go all the way into dual-guitar attack like Wishbone Ash or someone. Hokey.

And, given my lack of love for bluegrass, I sure like the new Del McCoury which just arrived here yesterday. The singing is just so knowing and creaky and a bit weird and it sounds like these guys might even have something interesting to say about women problems.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 17:07 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, that first song on the mccoury album is in the persona of a woman! what a shocker!

xpost to chuck: I don't know, I never heard the last Deana Carter album, I don't get 50 CDs a day!

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Yall so sordid. Absolute Torch And Twang ('n' Twang?) was kd's last country album, and real good: masterful, but more convincingly into the subject matter than it is a show of class/chops. She said she got blacklisted from radio, not for finally bothering to come out(shockah), but for the PETA commercial, which I think I read never actually aired, but got around anyway. (CMT recently showed it on 1000 Great Women Of Country, or whutever:"Meat is nasty! I was raised on a ranch in Western Canada, and I know," something pretty darn close to that.) The Western stations (and then some Southern)pulled her, led by Texas. (See Frances Fitzgerald's America Revised for other wonderful TXFX on history texts, their being a major market for ever'thang.)Edd, I finished my Big Star piece, so then I let myself read yours (great!), since would no longer be too influenced; mine'll be out in a few weeks. Here's Edd's--it's not country, butt it's a Southern (Hey Chuck, speaking upthread of Hod Steady/urban hicks, Separation Sunday's reminding me of a Midwestern Edition of Drive-By Truckers now! Hope that doesn't spoil it for you, heh)(Might even make my Nashville Scene Top Ten, being no *more* rock than many now mainstreamed as country.) Herrre's Eddd: http://www.nashvillescene.com/Stories/Arts/Music/2005/09/01/Mod_Lang/index.shtml

don, Thursday, 15 September 2005 02:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, I did compare Hold Steady to Kenny Chesney last year, Don (due to their shared obsessions with Billy Joel, fratboy harbor bars, etc.)

I want somebody more attuned to drag-queendom to listen to that great Desperate Housewives soundtrack and tell me whether there's a drag-queen aesthetic going on there, somehow. I get the idea there *is*, and when it gets *more* drag-queeny (in the final third) is when the album starts to, well, drag. More gay fans for Shania, Shedaisy, Sara Evans, Martina McBride, and country in general is probably a really cool thing. But if country starts pretending that totally obvious double entendres that 11 year old straight boys might giggle at are hilarious just because they're recited by a man dressed up as a woman or wearing a stupid big blue bunny costume, I'll fucking gag, I swear. (Is that what the Desperate Housewives show is like? It certainly was the operating principle on Sex in the City, the 2 or 3 episodes I saw ranked with the least funny TV I've ever sat through.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 15 September 2005 12:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Chxck, "Desperate Housewives" could probably be as far from "Sex in the City" as two shows about four horny ladies could be. DH is a semi-spoof of soap operas, a semi-satire of suburban life, and a dramedy, whereas...well, I guess I never really knew what SITC was all about. I think each show probably appeals to different drag queens! You should try DH if you like episodic TV, your love of the suburbs would be piqued. (and the women are a whole lot more beautiful)

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 15 September 2005 12:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, being more attractive than the Sex in the City dames (well, except maybe that one brunette one) wouldn't be difficult. But episodic suburbia does seem up my alley. Either way (just like with Sopranos and Six Feet Under and The Wire and Freaks & Geeks) I'll probably wait until it comes out on DVD, and I'll be two or ten years behind the rest of the world. What I'm *really* waiting for, though (as I say above) is Weeds! That'll hit DVD by, what, 2007 or so?

xhuxk, Thursday, 15 September 2005 12:29 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, come on, Xqpxk, join the world! It's fun on a Sunday night to watch Teri Hatcher in full-on adorable goofball mode! And bodies buried in the backyard, and insane teenz with gunz, and screwings of the gardener, and drugz and carz and revengezes! DVD TV is for sucker m.c.'s.

Actually now Desperate Housewives sounds like a Tuesday night at Willie Nelson's house circa 1977.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 15 September 2005 12:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Little Big Town album sounds better to me every time, though I guess I could understand why absolute wimpaphobes might be suspicious. A red dark sweet mix of ballad Don Henley and country Lionel Richie and boogie and swamp and rural goth into Nickel Creek neat-freakitude. I definitely prefer it to the Nickel Creek album. And "Boondocks" isn't the best thing on it; right now, I'm leaning toward track #8 (whatever it might be called. I call it "Fratboy Hellwig," since that's the weirdest line to jump out. Also stuff about "fire in the hole, and a hole in my heart" and "cold as the concrete, tough as a backstreet" and "sharp as a hog's feet (?), fast as a stampede" plus eerie background harmonies and a hard rock riff that slowly picks up.) (Oh wait, I'm guessing now it's called "Mean Streak". We'll see.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 15 September 2005 13:44 (nineteen years ago) link

errrp, just noticed the title's on the advance DISK itself; tis indeed "mean streak," wow, can i guess 'em or what? also notable: "good as gone," "bones," "wounded," "looking for a reason," "welcome to the family," maybe (and probably) more. ("bones" earns its title, too. who taught these sweet kids how to write songs, jeffrey lee piece? chris d from the flesheaters? somebody like that.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 15 September 2005 13:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Also if Hold Steady belong here (and I'm not the one who said they did, remember) then the Deadly Snakes' new one, *Porcella,* fits here even more. I like the parts that sound like Dylan doing "Absolutely Sweet Marie" better than the parts that sound more like the Birthday Party. The latter's not bad, but the former stuff is folk rock that rocks really really hard. Fave cuts so far: "Sissy Blues," "High Prices Going Down." And then some.

xhuxk, Friday, 16 September 2005 11:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I also really like the track "Work," which says "you look like a soldier praying to go to war," and which sounds country in the way the Country Teasers sound country, except possibly more so.

xhuxk, Friday, 16 September 2005 11:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, though, the album could use a lot more Blonde on Blonde and less goth-blues. Little Big Town's goth-blues is less schmaltzy, I think, merely by reminding me less of Nick Cave. And actually (unlike the raunchier Birthday Party-like indie bands the Golden Boys and the Starvations, whose albums I liked a couple months ago), the Deadly Snakes seem more fond of *solo* Nick Cave, maybe (though they always have more rock and less cabaret B.S. than he does), not a great sign. So caveat emptor. But maybe the slow stuff will grow on me (again).

xhuxk, Friday, 16 September 2005 12:04 (nineteen years ago) link

not a great sign = solo caveness, i mean. the more rock/less cabaret *is* a good sign (at least compared to solo nick cave anyway) (or kd fucking lang for that matter, same difference i suppose)

xhuxk, Friday, 16 September 2005 12:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I just learned that Patricia Vonne is the sister of "Spy Kids" and "Once Upon a Time in Mexico" director Robert Rodriguez!

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 16 September 2005 12:26 (nineteen years ago) link

1)So how were the Stones, x? No less country than many thangs mainstreamed these days (De'd Flowers new houseband down the road piece at Zip's, and guess whut their theme song is.)2) Stones/ex-Allmans keybist Chuck Leavell on "Marian McPartland's Piano Jazz" this A.M., playing country like Floyd Cramer x Vince Guaraldi, of Peanuts/"Cast Yr.Fate", whom Chuck namechecks, too. Sings kind of in there between Richard Manuel and young(er) Del McCoury. (Think the weekend us outside agitators invaded Tuscaloosa for antiwar demo, and crashed on Chuck's floor, was the same weekend the later-confessed provacateur burned down ROTC and martial law was declared--good tymes!)3)Kandia's writing about the Ebony Hillbillies, coming back to Charlotte. Prev. there during Appalachian State U.'s Black Banjo Gathering. Here's what says on Charlotte Folk Society's website: "Self-described as 'the last black string band in America'(not so, but anyway), The Ebony Hillbillies continue the trad of etc. exemplified by NC's Joe and Odell Thompson. For about 200 yrs., fiddle-and-banjo music was strong among both black and white musicians.African-American string bands often played for white and black audiences. In the 1920s, however" yeah that's when Klan rose again and all sorts of shit hit the fan, lynching spiked mebbe. The leader, Enrique Prince, was in a banjo, bass, and fiddle trio, the Gribbles. Ebonys got him on fiddle, David Colding on upright bass, Norris Bennett on banjo, dulcimer, and voc. "Bennett lived and performed in Europe for three decades"(Wonder if he ever busked with Madeleine Peyroux? She does good country jazz on Dreamland, and some of Careless Love, though haven't heard all of that. Headed back to the sidewalks of Paris, I hear; that's her thing.)Anyway, Ebonys got a CD, and another coming out soon; can hear some clips (also read more about them, ditto Sankofa Strings, who are more Afropean-American in style and repetoire, with link to audio interview).Check http://www.folksociety.org/

don, Friday, 16 September 2005 13:27 (nineteen years ago) link

oh yeah: that link upthread to my "Gone With The Vroom" prob don't work much anymore, but I later posted it http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.org/

don, Friday, 16 September 2005 13:32 (nineteen years ago) link

>how were the Stones, x?<

Well...good! Mostly. Energetic. Lively. Entertaining. Professional and then some. At least the half-show that Sherman (just turned 14 and started high school in NYC last week) stayed for, since we had to get up at 6 the next morning as always nowadays. Slowed down "19th Nervous Breakdown"? Not so good. Sherman liked the Marley cover better than I did. "All Down the Line" and "She's So Cold," very cool. Maybe even "Bitch." And what's that one song? "You Got Me Rocking"?? I dunno. I've never really understood that one's point I guess. We saw them do one ("Sweet Revenge") of the four songs I love most off the new album; supposedly did another ("Oh No Not You Again") of those four later; not sure about "Laughing I Nearly Died" (excellent use of dub space on the album!) or "Look What the Cat Dragged In" (hardest rocking track on the record, btw, and *Rolling Stone* just called it "perfunctory" in a 4 1/2-star review, wtf?) The Keith song we saw was as dull as the ones on the album. Still...lots of fun. Alanis opened. I figured out who she was after four songs!

xhuxk, Friday, 16 September 2005 14:12 (nineteen years ago) link

(Wait, "Sweet Revenge"?? Where the hell did THAT title come from?? The song is actually of course called "Rough Justice," duh. The one about chicks with cocks. I also like "Let Me Down Slow," for whatever it's worth. Their best album since *Dirty Work*, if you hadn't already heard the news.)

xhuxk, Friday, 16 September 2005 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link

oh yeah (just noting this for posterity 'cos i'm not sure if anybody else has mentioned it yet), ron wood wore a cbgb t-shirt. (at msg.)

xhuxk, Friday, 16 September 2005 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link

And actually, "She's So Cold" coulda been much better, come to think of it. (I was probably just glad that they did it. I wonder if they ever do "Emotional Rescue" in their elder years. They really should.)

"All Down the Line" was a hoot, though.

xhuxk, Friday, 16 September 2005 15:45 (nineteen years ago) link

yr wrong about kd lang, i have the album n front of me, and im listening to it, and its amazing, utterly low key and desperate.

anthony, Friday, 16 September 2005 16:54 (nineteen years ago) link

new Big and Rich sounds good so far...eating Skyline Chili in Cinci, scaring Marilyn Manson in Canton, ran into Jessico White. And a good Between the Buttons/Bonzo Dog Band intro. Really like the multiple slide gitars at the intro of Leap of Faith, and Jalapeno rocks right out, a dance-craze song like they've been listening to Sam the Sham. Seems more focused than the first one, more sonically cool like the incredible steel guitars on Jalapeno...20 Margaritas is something that would set the Statler Bros. back. This is gonna be fun.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 17 September 2005 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost cool so did they also do "Dead Flowers"/"Wild Horses"/"Sweet Virginia"/"Country Honk"--?Not that they had to; like I said they're country enough for today's yestiddy, just wondering. (Just finished the Nickel Creek feachure: I hear the lil pilgrims' progession thru albums[their kiddies-playin'-kiddiemuzik, Little Cowpoke, is good too, but didn't have room for that], with This Side being "popped cherries and blown minds," as I put it so tastefully, and producer Citizen Allison K. couldn't handle the truth, just typically trying to mute it/delay it, though may have driven her to "Whiskey Lullaby"; their new Why Must The Fire Die? seems a breakthrough in several ways; anyway it's good). Now to listen to new Stones.

don, Saturday, 17 September 2005 21:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, I could see a lot of this on today's happenin' country radio, tweaked a little by Nashville Cats, and how bout "Let Me Down Slow" by Montgy.G.; "She Saw Me Comin'",Kenny C. ("she got me dead to rights...'fore the sun goes down 'fore the sun goes down," indeed); "Sweet Neo-Con," Dixie Chicks natcherly (and get xpost Robert Randolph back in here); another for Toby, now I forgot which. Could see Dwight finessing a whole bunch.Some originals too. (I like Keith's tracks, xxhuxx; voice not pinched like on "Happy" etc., and his piano works too.)

don, Saturday, 17 September 2005 22:53 (nineteen years ago) link

most completely relaxing and non-demanding thing I've heard in a while--Freddy Fender and Flaco Jiminez "Dos Amigos." And, despite the public-domain/folkloric vibe here, all songs in Spanish and they all kinda sound the same--some pretty sharp playing. And the singing is just fantastic.

always liked the Stones's take on country, from Hank Snow's "I'm Movin' On" way back in Loog Oldham days to "Dead Flowers" and the country side of "Exile." But they always thought it was a joke, didn't they? Or just didn't wanna admit they felt something? Now I gotta go out and buy the new one--wonder if Wal-Mart has it?

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 17 September 2005 23:36 (nineteen years ago) link

If Wal-Mart has it at all (mine doesn't), you know they're gonna censor "Sweet Neo-Con" ("full of shit" etc). And it'll cost too much there, and so will the mall, cos it's not that compelling. Try one of those where they sell as loss leaders to get you in there to buy ipods n shit; try Best Buy. (Before buying,you can prob listen there on that Rhapsody thing anyway.) Or Circuit City or a free-standing (so no mall prices), like Coconuts or something (Esp. cos the latter prob already has it in Used: not cos it's bad, but cos of being burned and sold back.)I don't want to hype it: good stuff overall, but 16 tracks that could just as well(if not better) have been 12, like most CDs.

don, Sunday, 18 September 2005 02:45 (nineteen years ago) link

As far as it being a joke, well kinda, for a while, but you know they were often rather formal, in their gnarly way; you have to judge by how good a song and performance it is, to see how into it they were("Dead Flowers" Si, "Dear Doctor" no). When more sincere-seeming, it's "Wild Horses" Si, "Memory Motel" Si-minus, as far as mi corazon is their songo.(But I don't remember it as well as these others, but that's signif too.)

don, Sunday, 18 September 2005 05:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Toby Keith's song on the new Stones would have to be "It Won't Take Long" wouldn't it? It'd fit perfectly on Honkytonk U at any rate (I could defintely see Yoakam doing "Biggest Mistake" too btw).

Josh Love (screamapillar), Sunday, 18 September 2005 06:31 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, I was really just kidding about Wal-Mart Don. I hate those fuckers, I never go there unless it's when I visit my parents who want me to go shopping for them. And then I usually just go to Kroger. I get most of my non-swag stuff from Grimey's in Nashville, because they're cool people and I believe in supporting them. Altho I did once find some later George Jones records at Sam's Place for really cheap.

Right, "Dead Flowers" is great; "Dear Doctor" isn't so. Their country stuff teeters on the edge of joke anyway, as does so much of their music. I like jokes.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 18 September 2005 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost yeah, I think that's the one I'd been thinking about re Toby, Josh. Edd, is Ernie's Records still around? I used to love their late night A.M. show, which went all over. (Awesome North American Weather Report, which included Mexico as well as Canada.)Neil Young used to dedicate songs to Ernie's, hopefully will do so on Prairie Wind tour. (Hey, has Farm Aid been televised yet? Think the concert was a few days ago.)

don, Sunday, 18 September 2005 16:32 (nineteen years ago) link

"your shirt on my floor / I've never done that before"

Finally admits to not cleaning her room! Daring!

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 19 September 2005 02:11 (nineteen years ago) link

but desperate housewives is a very mannered, cleaned up, camp version of the rough and tumble of the 70s, no?

isnt kd lang then noting the anti septic "scandal" and opening it up to other interperations, like she did on drag? (or summer fling--named after a camus qoute, meloncholy, but supposed to be light syrupy middle class cocktail piano/

anthony, Monday, 19 September 2005 06:20 (nineteen years ago) link

like i said, never saw the tv show. and i have no idea what kd's trying to do, though i will say that hearing it in my apartment over the weekend, the track didn't sound *quite* so gag-worthy as before. and the bawdy damsel in distress track sounded better too. anyway, i need to go back and check, but does kd refer to the song's subject as "an every day housewife who gave up the good life for me," like glen used to? if so, that'd be sorta cool, from a lesbo perspective.

my big and rich advance wouldn't work on my computer at work, nor on my living room stereo; finally played it in the bedroom a couple times in the background, and yep, noticed the same sam the sham that edd did. also "comin to your city" has them going town to town like chuck berry or the beach boys or whoever, lots of SMALL towns (jeff city, MO!); also shades of those old x and motley crue songs where a bar (aorta bar detroit's main vein) or in this case bar-b-q gets named in every city; funniest line might or might not be "we pulled into kansas and scared marilyn manson" or whatever it is. another song has a girl imitating the "i wanna take my clothes off girl" in the background of nelly's "hot in here." the ballads, in general, might be prettier than the ones on the debut; the long vietnam epic at the end (about november 8, 1965) sounds epic indeed. a few "save a horse" rehashes, too; fine with me. but so far my favorite track is the totally jazzy one in the middle that sounds like the hoosier hot shots and seems (first verse at least) to be a blatant protest against social security privatization (grandma's been saving up her money, now some big man in a big building is going to take it away from her); second verse is about a greedy preacher on tv. but mainly i like its SOUND, which totally gets that proto-western-swing local country yokels trying to be the memphis jug band groove DOWN. sax solo and all. dance party music for a great depression, not a moment too soon....

my two favorite tracks so far on the new live junior brown album are the two longsest -- "hung it up," 8 minutes, quite the jazz workout, and the 9:29 medly of "lullaby of the leaves"/"apache"/"secret agent man"/"bulldog" at the end. (and "apache" = hip hop by now, of course!)

xhuxk, Monday, 19 September 2005 12:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh wait, do they scare Marilyn in Canton not Kansas, like edd sez? That's even better! (Isn't he from Ohio? Or was that Trent Reznor? And Canton's where the football hall of fame is, right?) Also, THEY didn't go to the aorta bar, of course; X did. They go OTHER places.

xhuxk, Monday, 19 September 2005 12:56 (nineteen years ago) link

>did they also do "Dead Flowers"/"Wild Horses"/"Sweet Virginia"/"Country Honk"--?<

Nah, I don' think so (at least not whilst I was there.) But you left out "Far Away Eyes"! Not that they did that one either....

xhuxk, Monday, 19 September 2005 12:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Pro Football Hall of Fame is in Canton, Ohio. they then go to Charleston WV, John and Kenny do. the "Filthy Rich" one also rips off what Jimmy Buffett melody? "Pencil Thin Mustache," I think it is. I think my favorite is actually "Blow My Mind," that's quite a great intro, and it sounds like something the Marmalade would've done, actually, late-'60s psychedelica. And I dunno, I think I find the banjo in this one intrusive--I think it would've worked as well or better without it, and maybe it's just me, but it seems like they use the banjo just to remind people that they're mixing it up? But I love the "boom-boom-diddy" and the little break after that which is even MORE like the Marmalade or the Move, so fuck, this song really works for me and might just be the best thing I've heard them do. (And "Slow Motion" is also kinda Merseybeat.) And I didn't realize until I listened to all those Sara Evans records that Paul Worley has been responsible for Big and Rich's sound, partly. Very interesting

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link

'you left out "Far Away Eyes"' yeah, I don't like that, or "Memory Motel" or "Dear Doctor": all the pokey end of hokey. This just in: Trisha Yearwood's "Georgia Rain" Most Boring Track Ever Recorded, Scientists Say. It's a fact! You can now look it up.

don, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:47 (nineteen years ago) link

kathy mattea covers "gimme shelter" and "down on the corner" on her new album, neither of which do much to make the record sound remotely interesting or alive. no wonder she's playing highly visible venues like the sellersville theater in sellersville, pennsylvania (walking distance from my kids' house in perkasie) on her current tour.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Kathy Mattea does "Gimme Shelter"! What next, Trisha does "Heroin"! No, her career's not as far gone as Kathy's, alas (Hey Trish, why don't you do some "Celtic," like Kathy did; that's the ticket.) Speaking of gone careers(mine) and heroin (not mine) and shelter(mine, but yall are welcome) and gimme (mine!): an inner voyage through the Allman Brothers (eeeuuu), and Moe as slight roadkill: http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com/

don, Thursday, 22 September 2005 03:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Xpost Kandia's afromentioned Ebony Hillbilly feature in Loaf now, it's good. (She starts out dissing Cowboy Troy, and I thought of google-advancing Bill Pickett: good stuff! Haven't yet done that to Herb Jeffries/Jeffrys, the Bronze Buckaroo.)Also 'mentioned Loaflinks flukey, but can go to creativeloafing.com, click on Charlotte tab, thence to their Music section's front page.

don, Thursday, 22 September 2005 15:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, has anybody heard: 1) the deleted box of black country From Where I Stand? 2) Neil's Prairie Wind? 3) Dyl's No Direction Home soundtrack, or his Starbucks AssGaslight Tapes Selections?Butt mainly: This is POST 700! Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

don, Thursday, 22 September 2005 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I have that black country music box set on my iPod, copied it from the Madison Public Library. Bill Malone, the curator of that set, did (does?) a weekly radio show on our community access radio station. He is awesome indeed.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 22 September 2005 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link

also, that Mattea version of "Gimme Shelter" is getting underrated by Chuck, maybe he'll realize that someday. the rest of the record, including the CCR cover, pretty much yeah like he said, unless you like words like "introspective" and "folky"

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 22 September 2005 16:15 (nineteen years ago) link

> has anybody heard: 1) the deleted box of black country From Where I Stand? <

Yeah, I got mine at home right next to my ZZ Top box that looks like a Texas barbecue joint. They're both great! (And I HATE box sets.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 22 September 2005 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Now listening to Empire Records' new *Chitlin' Blues* comp (one disc), which is certainly related. My favorite track by far is the opener, "Love & Affection From the House of Correction" by Little Beaver; after that, maybe Eddie Holloway's Al Green-referencing "Poor Boy." Also includes: Candy Yams (aka Sax Kari), Ike & Val Wood, Snoopy Dean, and Roach Thompson, none of whom I've ever heard of before, and all of whom have excellent names (though Little Beaver's name is best, I'd say.)

xhuxk, Friday, 23 September 2005 12:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Also conceivably related: Something on the new David Banner album? I wouldn't know; I'm avoiding listening to the thing. I think I'm in crunk avoidance mode like Matt is in country avoidance mode these days; never connected with that dreary new Ying Yang thang at all. Anyway, *Billboard* sez the title track of *Certified* has "a great front-porch acoustic riff," but I ain't hearing it whatsoever; this is no "Cadillac on 22s"; that's for sure. Sounds more like a Dr. Dre type electo-heatwave squiggle to me, but maybe I'm listening wrong. On the other hand, song seems to concern bodies being lost in the Mississppi River. And the man more and more seems like a saint. So I should try harder. Meanwhile, there's "Galveston" by Glen Campbell...

xhuxk, Friday, 23 September 2005 12:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Chxck have you heard the new/old Anthony Hamilton album Soulife yet? He's always good for some countrifyin' soul...although dammit I'm pissed at him for being on that Nick Cannon anti-abortion song which I've never heard. And Marty Stuart and Robbie Fulks and Dallas Wayne and Jessi Alexander and Deana Carter and Lee Ann Womack and Del McCoury Band are, like Jesus and Rosario Dawson, just alright with me.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 23 September 2005 13:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Hamilton has never quite done it for me, Matt; not sure why. Maybe his voice? I dunno, just a guess. But I got nothing against the guy. I'll try more some time, I promise. (And I was referring to up above, where you say "I guess I just don't like country music right now...I can barely roust myself to turn on the radio to see what's new.")

xhuxk, Friday, 23 September 2005 13:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Speaking of black country, though, I got a DVD in the mail of a new *Crossroads* episode featuring Lionel Richie and Kenny Rogers. They have a real chummy teasy self-deprecating on-stage rapport with one another (they say they're pals from way back), but I could only bear to sit through the first couple songs. No index on the thing; if there was, I'd have fast-forwarded to "Stuck on You" or "Sail On" ("smalltown boy like me..."), Lionel's two greatest country songs, which I have no idea whether they wind up singing. Maybe "Islands in the Stream," too? I dunno. Doubt they did "Brickhouse" or "Just Dropped In (To See What Condition My Condition Was In)," but who knows? "Easy" really didn't cut it, however, sad to say.

xhuxk, Friday, 23 September 2005 13:27 (nineteen years ago) link

And speaking of *Crossroads*, anybody see Kelefah Sanneh's Bon Jovi-inspired rundown in the Times yesterday, where he says country is the new power-ballad rock? If I didn't know better (and I don't), I'd guess he'd been reading this thread. If so: Hey there K, what's up?

xhuxk, Friday, 23 September 2005 13:30 (nineteen years ago) link

haha I tried to get K. Sanneh to be a freelancementalist back in the dayz

and yeah ch!!! I was so much older then when I wrote that I'm younger than that now

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 23 September 2005 13:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey, xpost Al Green, I should have thought to mention to the Big Fat Drunk Chick's country soul query, how country-compatible he can be His oringals, like Amazing Rhythm Aces' cover of "Love & Happiness," which should have been on my "Band-Proof" Songs? thread, and mebbe it was; also, his covers, like "Funny (How Time Slips Away)", and "Together Again," and his cover of Los Bay Hays'"How Can You Mend A Broken Heart," for that matter; after hearing Al's cover, could well imagine Freddy Fender doing it.Little Bic Town should be forced to watch Kenny and Lionel. I can't get thru "Crossroads" of Sugarland and Bon Bon JooJooBee, although if that were their real name, maybe I'd give it another shot. But I'll always be grateful to them for being on that barely-post 9/11 TV cncert, and providing comic relief by being so out-of-tune on acoustic "Wing And A Prayer." I just went coocoo for Coca Puffs over country-power-pop, on Chuck's homeless guy power pop thread.

don, Friday, 23 September 2005 14:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Little Beaver played guitar on those Miami funk tunes on T.K. back in the '70s. Prolly on "Clean Up Woman" and all them. And put out at least one solo album back then.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 23 September 2005 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link

http://villagevoice.com/music/0539,eddy,68165,22.html

xhuxk, Friday, 23 September 2005 22:34 (nineteen years ago) link

(applauds) awright, giddyup go, daddy! I'll have to alert Greg to streaming of his Mighty Js. Guess his royalties'll be sent when get through streamin, o course. (old rate or new, he'll 'ppreciate it I'm sure.)In invited Nick to blog rock my Allmans piece; don't know if that's exactly his dept., but there 'tis if yall want it. One thing I idnd't mention in it (mebbe I should go back and add?) is their country element: in part the blues, like I could see their version of "Statesboro Blues" as, basically, not unlike the feel of something like those sides Emmett Miller and Jimmie Rodgers recorded with jazz musicians (who also had pop, and thus at that time, late vaudville-ish) appeal, like Louis Armstrong and the Dorsey Brothers. Also, the use of slide, emulating steel guitar(esp. from when steel guitar copped from the Hawaiian vogue, re Alabama's own [and Harry Smith's choice]Nelstone And His Hawaiians). At least as often, over the post-Duane years, as the slide takes t us to Dante's B-B-Q Inferno or whutever. Plus, "Ramblin' Man," which was one of the first Rock songs I ever, ever heard played more than once on hardcore country stations down here, and not at 3 AM, either (This[radio play, after song had been out a while]is from when Coe was touring with them, which, years later, led to his introducing them to his discovery, Warren Haynes, who saved their crediblity's ass from drug-dregged dayz). Best distillation of slide as steel (cos more microcosmically concentrated than longer "Lucy Blue Sky" and other candidates) is "Sweet Melissa," which is so amazing to hear, winding and glowing and calling all around that damn TV commercial (plus the way that woman looks at the guy who's finally arrived, that's a whole country song in itself) Yeah, Little Beaver's "Party Down" is a classic, and xgau gave same-titled album at least a B+, prob on website too.(speaking of concentrated, I'n currently defending my "country power pop" as concentrated power of sugar high, stealing rockist's gurrlfriend after he's taken yr lunchmoney again, on xxhuxx's st. marks homeless power pop thread

don, Saturday, 24 September 2005 14:39 (nineteen years ago) link

(jeez Rita)Fprgot to mention: just finished a microvue, for CharLoaf, of new Hootie,Looking For Lucky, which actually has knack for use of country elements. Maybe old news to yall, but I'd never heard a Hootie alb before. Peter Holsapple advises, and mebbe his dbs stuff deson;t pertain, but, per his R.E.M input (mostly touring, I think), there's an extrapolation of "Losing My Religion", both in conflict of faith and despair, and in that they add heavier (but bouncey enough) bottom to mandolin and shit. Actually could see them on "Crossroads," even if not video play on "Wide Open Country" (since Ben Harper, Mellen, Sheryl, etc. get on there)Who should they team with on "Croosroads"? How bout Deana? Which reminds me, Matraca Berg, who wrote "Strawberry Wine," also co-wrote and backup sings Hootie's new "YOU CAN'T HIIIIDE, NEATH THE KILLING STONE," which is the only time D. uses that "HOLLLD MAAAHHH HAAAAND" volume here, and v. effective perf and song (What elese of Matraca's should I check?) Also good use of riffs from "Mississippi Queen," "Down In The Boondocks" and others, but not pastische. Too preachy, exhorting self and others not to give up or sap out, too often, but 4-5 keepers, especially "Waltz Into You"(heh) and "Leaving," (both with Sam Bush's fiddle leading them thru shades of blue tempo). "Leaving" is where D. has flashback to romance on the beach, "in our birthday suits." Later they were "8 miles high and shooting stars, you were in your blue disguise", and modestly concludes, "I must've got lost" in reverie. This from the guy who bellowed in my radio ear for light years! Kinda wish he'd do that a little more often here. Walter of ye olde Silos co-writes "A Smile" which flashes by "like an astronaut on your radio" and ditto these songs prob but ck yr bargain bin.

don, Saturday, 24 September 2005 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link

(re Allmans getting Nelstoned, local pub radio now playing hula medley from R.Crumb & Cheap Serenaders' Stealing Rainbows)

don, Saturday, 24 September 2005 16:44 (nineteen years ago) link

(Wynonna now rolling through Melissa's "I'm The Only One," and licking anticipatory smile through Inspirational, fudgesicle-toned "Dream Catcher")

don, Sunday, 25 September 2005 04:26 (nineteen years ago) link

My favorite of the recent NPR country albs (Duhks, Donna the Buffalo) is the Maybelles' White Trash Jenny; best songs by far are Melissa Carper's: she's got this wonderful antiquated zonked singing that simultaneously drifts and tumbles and sounds lip-smacking satisfied with itself. The band accompanies with an effective tripping-over-its-shoes motion. But they subdue themselves to a decorous strum on the Jan Bell songs, I don't know why; her voice is more delicate and beautiful, doing warm-throated folkie laments, but even a slow song can have a skip and a bounce in it, hesitation, syncopation, movement. She and they sort of get it up on "Walkin' Blues," get it up to a walk, at least, the most Melissa of the Jan songs.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 18:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Comparing the last two Deanas: the songwriting is about equal, the same melodic inventiveness, same off-hand harmonies and sing-arounds and dit-dit-dos, same lyric range, from feisty to desperate to regretful, usually all at once. I'm Just a Girl lets loose with a couple of full-force rave-ups ("I'm goin' downtown/I'm gonna look real nice/I'll be sportin' my stilletos/Gonna cause a few fights," in that half-cute, half-dare-devil voice of hers), which The Story of My Life doesn't even attempt. But the sound on Story is just so much better; instrumental colors, heat, a basic sheen to the whole thing. The sounds on Girl seem all crunchy and muddied up in comparison, though they sounded fine at the time.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:55 (nineteen years ago) link

*Desperate Housewives* doesn't quite hold up in the random-play CD changer; some covers (ie: Estefan doing Staton) sound kinda pro forma (not unlike, say, Estefan doing Vickie Sue Robinson a couple years back) taken out of the context of the album as a whole. So probably not a top 10 candidate after all. Still haven''t decided what I think of the Leann Rimes and Joss Stone tracks in the middle. (Can't remember 'em at all right now.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Also listened the new Waco Brothers CD today. They need a singer bad. (Langford's not as dull as the other guy, but he's a lot duller than he used to be, back in the early/mid '80s)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 21:04 (nineteen years ago) link

*Good for What Ails You: Music of the Medicine Shows 1926-1937* on Old Hat Records (two discs + thick booklet): Wow, just put this on. Lots of these tracks look/sound familiar, from that long gone *Songsters and Saints* vinyl double on whatever label that was ("Beans" by Beans Hambone, yes!); also maybe from Yazoo's *Mister Charlie's Blues* and Columbia/Legacy's *Whiter Shade of Blue* and even that Charlie Poole box from early this year ("Sweet Sixteen", where he invented bubblegum music by singing about it, again). Still, a lovely package, and lots of unfamiliar tracks, too. Will say so if any blow me away.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 27 September 2005 21:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Noticed right off, in Dylan's Newcastle '66 "Like A Rolling Stone," last night on PBS, what I somehow never had heard before: that he wasn't shedding his folkie skin for that striped Prince skin, just shuddering, shrugging, recombining a bit--so mebbe this is what Bill Monroe's black inspiration, Arnold Schultz, sounded like when young, bringing this full-throated, chimneyheaded blues, leaning waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, up 'n' out there, comin' round the mountain.

don, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 05:07 (nineteen years ago) link

>Leann Rimes and Joss Stone tracks in the middle. (Can't remember 'em at all right now.) <

Just listened to these both twice in a row and I STILL can't remember them. They sounded ok, though, I guess. Liked Leann's slightly more.

Pulled out the Deana Carter new one for the first time in months this morning, inspired by Scott/Matt/Frank, and it sounded way better than I'd remembered. Could well sneak its way back into my top ten.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 11:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I really like Rimes' "Probably Be That Way" ("This Way"? I dunno, it's just her sound, which now is as impressive as it was supposed to be when she was a kid, though the song is interesting too, kind of overheard; I like the other songs I've heard from current album, but reviewers are like, "That's nice, dear." With a smile, but barely looking up from knitting). Yeah, Deana's been in my Top Ten since third time I listened to that, even though I never liked her before.Top Ten albums gonna be at least half by women, so far. Oh, you were asking about Anna Nalick: she's 21, did "Breathe(2 A.M.)"

don, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Is she considered country, pop, r&b, or what?

Also, who is Emma Roberts? Just got the CD in the mail; she appears Nickelodeon connected. (Also appears to have nothing to do with country music, but who cares.) It wouldn't play in my computer; gotta take it home I guess. But I really like these song titles: "Punch Rocker," "Say Goodbye to Jr. High," "94 Weeks (Metal Mouth Freak)," "Dummy," "Mexican Wrestler," "New Shoes"! I wonder if Shania has heard that last song. I already want her to be the next Skye Sweetnam or at least Hope Partlow, but she probably isn't, I dunno.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Anna's in September 26, 2205 issue of People.Yeah, I read it; gotta keep up, yknow. "Nalick has toured almost nonstop since her debut CD, Wreck of the Day, came out in April." College student. But also "kicks off a headlining tour Oct. 6 and opens for Rob Thomas starting on Nov. 6," so headlining tour's more a tourette. I've seen the "Breathe" vid on VH-1 and on CMT's aforementioned "Wide Open Country"(with Mellanin, Crow, Truckers, Hootie, etc.) "On Meeting Rob Thomas: I rewrote matchbox twenty's "Push" when I was younger. I told him about it. He was like, 'That's awesome. Wait. When you were 12, you thought you could write my songs better than I could?'" Somebody had to tell him.

don, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Anybody heard Paul Worley pushed, baritone newbie Ray Scott My Kind of Music. Lots of hardcore attitude but album opens with a rap-scratch flourish but then gets all pedal steely and clip-clopy. "Plowboy" hard to resist.

werner t., Wednesday, 28 September 2005 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

CxxxxxxxhxxxK, Emma Roberts is the star of a Nickelodeon show called "Unfabulous" where she sings these songs in her room, many of them having to do with the episode involved. These songs are written by a few different people, especially Jill Sobule. She is the daughter of Eric Roberts, which makes her the niece of Julia Roberts. Also, she will soon play Nancy Drew.

The Obligatory Father of a 10 Year Old Girl (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link

And speaking of *Crossroads*, anybody see Kelefah Sanneh's Bon Jovi-inspired rundown in the Times yesterday, where he says country is the new power-ballad rock?

Didn't see it, but we worked this out months ago. Won't post, eh, it's the New York Times, you know, the newspaper where the reporters get to be national spokesmen for stories of the day on the PBS newshour, a special booth existing at the paper (like at other big newspapers) where the logo is on the backdrop so it goes out over the videofeed and feebs will know where the seat of authority is.

Oh no, I chewed the carpet again.

The Crossroads with Sugarland and Bon Jovi showed how much a better singer Nettles is than Jon BJ. Personally, I thought he was muffing/hacking his way through everything but the choruses on the Sugarland tunes. And, again, what's the function of the guy who plays mandolin like air guitar and the parts are only mixed so you can hear them about twice in a set, and then only in the fills and transitions?

Demonstrated you put Sambora guitar and thumping drums -- and it was pretty restrained -- into Sugarland and you have late 80's arena rock and Bad Company legacy software. Faith Hill's "Mississippi Girl" would still be an even finer example with a true hard rock mix.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Kelefa does an amazing job at the Times, considering he has to do four or so of these a week. It's inevitable that some will be ideas/stories that others have done first. Kelefa really knows his shit, and communicates it rather well given he's got to work within the Times style guide.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I did four to five a week in Allentown 15 years ago. Yay, Kelefa.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 18:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Kelefa's hair-metal country thing sure beat the Voice's recent white-faces-in-black music thing w/ Justin Timberlake as one of its examples. Jeesh.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not gonna argue with that (though I have no idea why Justin *shouldn't* be an example.) Anyway, I liked the hair-country piece column fine, which is why I mentioned it up above.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

hair-metal power ballads x country goes back to the late 90s at least. Dixie Chicks and Shania talked about memorizing the hell out of Monster Ballads on their tourbusses, and you can hear it all through a lot of mainstream (at that point mostly female) country, aimed at the appopriate demograhic, of course. And as far as hair metal's own "roots" getting into country, Garth's avowed live-show role/road model, Chris LeDoux, summed up his own formula as "Aerosmith in a cowboy hat"('smith being "roots" of hair, absorbed into para-hair in 80s, from their commercial comeback on, and thence into country, which suited yowlybilly, twangybilly aspect of Aerosmith anyway). And Garth mixed that with his other childhood idols, Kiss, and even, as somebody once mentioned in Voice, faux-Floydian guitars , only Voice didn't say "faux," to go wit hair metal elements.(And of course, "Ev'ry, rohhse, has its thorn.")So I hope K. mentioned some of that; I'll have to look up his piece. I agree Nettles sings better than Bon Job but that's not saying much. Still haven't been able to get through this. What I saw of Wynonna's concert special was growling, purring, rolling, electric, winking (wanna hear the album she was thus promoting, too.)

don, Thursday, 29 September 2005 04:04 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost: the daughter of Eric Roberts, the King Of Cable Sleaze! Rent some tonight, and say a little prayer for this girl (couldn't hoit)

don, Thursday, 29 September 2005 04:43 (nineteen years ago) link

>I hope K. mentioned some of that<

He definitely mentioned Garth, and I'm pretty sure he talked about Shania + Mutt too.

I kinda liked his shaggy-rock-revival My Morning Jacket/Magic Numbers thing today too, though I'm not really sure when the rock he calls shaggy and non-neatfreak is ever supposed to have gone away, seeing how Dave Matthews Band (for starters) (who he mentions in relation to My Morning Jacket) are, like, the most popular rock band of the past decade or whatever they are. Also, that new MMJ CD, the one time I played it, seemed if anything *less* shaggy than earlier stuff I heard by them (also *maybe* more interesting; I'm not sure yet). And Magic Numbers strike me as pretty darn Brit-pop for a band than people think play country rock (which people think about MMJ too, so see, they are not out of place on the country thread after all) So I'm not buying Kelefah's arguments, but I still like that he has them.

xhuxk, Thursday, 29 September 2005 12:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Who is the daughter of Roberts, the king of Cable Sleaze?

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 29 September 2005 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Emma Roberts, the singer xxhuxx was wondering about. See Obligatory Father's post.

don, Thursday, 29 September 2005 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link

So what's so sleazy about Eric? I don't have cable. Never heard of the guy. (By the way, I kinda like the song about wearing braces. I don't think there's ever been a song about braces before. Not sure about most of the rest of her album yet, but some of it definitely stinks. In fact, I get the idea way more of it stinks than doesn't.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 29 September 2005 14:53 (nineteen years ago) link

(Stinks sometimes in a "this is way too Jill Sobule" sense, and sometimes in a "this is way too bad Avril Lavigne song" sense. Maybe other senses, as well.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:00 (nineteen years ago) link

First time listening to the new Gretchen: I love "Rebel Child," I like "All Jacked Up" and "Skoal Ring" and "Not Bad for a Bartender," I am only slightly annoyed by "Politcally Uncorrect" (which actually reminds me more of Alabama than Merle Haggard, who sings on it), I am slightly more annoyed by the Billie Holiday cover, and I am extremely annoyed by "One Bud Wiser." Some of those could change, though, natch.

xhuxk, Thursday, 29 September 2005 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I have no interest in hearing this album. What happened to me?

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 29 September 2005 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Just listen to All Jacked Up too and swinging wildly between thinking it's coldly calculating, clicking off the buttons pushed/issues raised with each song, and thinking that it's extremely articulate. "Skoal Ring" turns me off but not "One Bud Wiser"

werner trieschmann, Thursday, 29 September 2005 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link

So apparently there's some kind of right-wing rumble that CMT is oozing leftward, politically. Stanley Kurtz, dipshit-at-large, wrote the following on National Review Online yesterday:

WHERE'S MY COUNTRY?
I like country music, so I watch a lot of CMT (Country Music Television). I’ve written about it, too, in “Those 9/11 Songs” and in “Love Your Country.” I used to think CMT offered a popular alternative to the usual lefty cultural sensibility reigning on MTV and VH1. I don’t think that so much anymore. CMT has been running Neil Young’s new video “I’m Walkin’ to New Orleans.” It’s a remake of the old Fats Domino tune, with video that tries to pin blame on George Bush.

Now “I’m Walkin’ to New Orleans" isn’t a country song. And Neil Young sure as heck ain’t no country music star. The famous Lynyrd Skynyrd song “Sweet Home Alabama” hits back at Young for blaming George Wallace on the whole South (in Young’s “Southern Man”). But now CMT is using a Neil Young song for a blatant political attack on President Bush. Even CMT’s most hawkish war songs don’t level attacks against named dovish Democratic politicians. This is the most blatantly political video I’ve ever seen on CMT, and it’s by a non-country singer who’s famous for hating the South.

This isn’t an isolated incident. It’s been clear for some months now that CMT’s cultural politics have been shifting to the left. They had a special, for example, featuring Jimmy Carter and his friendship with Willie Nelson. The program was fine, but I haven’t seen any comparable programing featuring Republican or conservative political figures. And CMT now runs an alternative music country program, “Wide Open Country.” It’s good at times, although a lot of the material is surprising weak and/or rock oriented. It would be nice to see a religious country program along side the alternative country show, but don’t expect that kind of diversity from CMT. Even if I can’t remember every example, I know I’ve seen a number of other signs of a cultural shift left on CMT lately.

CMT is owned by Viacom, the same company that owns MTV and VH1. Up to now, they’ve been reasonably separate operations. But it’s beginning to look as though the cultural left has decided to use CMT to try to proselytize the South. They’re also trying to push the country audience closer to rock. Up to a point, I have no problem with the rock angle. I generally like the Crossroads series on CMT, which pairs country stars with rock stars. Even so CMT is getting pushed to the musical, cultural, and political left, as the Young video shows. I love country music video’s, but maybe it’s time to break out the old radio.

That tirade was followed up today by a plug for the GAC video channel, which apparently shows the Grand Ole Opry and, on Sunday mornings, religious videos. (Which you could get on BET, if you wanted.)

Any thoughts?

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 29 September 2005 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I used to think CMT offered a popular alternative to the usual lefty cultural sensibility reigning on MTV and VH1

It does. I haven't seen the "lefty" slant and I'm a lefty. One Young video. Wow. Dukes of Hazzard reruns have been showing at nausea provoking level. The Warren Brothers' "country rock reality" show was on quite a bit too, recently. They're about as lefty as Arnold Ziffle and Vic Missy. They also have been showing a lot of good 'ol wretched modern cowboy-type movies from the 80's and 90's.

Even CMT’s most hawkish war songs don’t level attacks against named dovish Democratic politicians.

Who cares. Should they? Would be different if a cowardly Dem were President?

It’s good at times, although a lot of the material is surprising weak and/or rock oriented

A great deal of CMT is "rock oriented," not just wide open country.

They’re also trying to push the country audience closer to rock

Guy appears to have just started watching CMT. Or he's engaging in distortion for the sake of the essay.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link

The article's kind of unintentionally funny. Don't let the man near PBS this week or he'll go ballistic. Pete Seeger, Wayne Kramer and Bob Marley were on last night -- commies, white panthers, anarchists, drug pusher ex-cons, socialists and dope smokers.

I dunno. Maybe the country artists think that subjects like "Hillary Clinton is a lezzy and had Vince Foster bumped off" make for things that are easy to sing good hooks to. Or "the indictment of Tom 'the Hammer' Delay is politically motivated."

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha ha, wonder if he's ever seen Montgomery Gentry's "You Do Your Thing" video, which was basically a recruiting commercial for the Fascist Party, near as I could tell. I haven't seen the Neil Young one yet, though. Wonder if the Mellencamp/Tritt thing a few months ago pissed him off, too. (I recall that one being at least very vaguely lefty.) Wonder what he thinks about the Dixie Chicks. At any rate, Neil on country video TV isn't a new thing -- if I remember right, he actually had country video hits in the '80s off of that *Old Ways* album or whatever it was called. (Maybe country radio hits too; I'm not sure.) And did Skynyrd ever hit the country chart? It's kind of funny that the guy cites Skynyrd, yet whines about country heading in a rock direction. Also, isn't the GAC Top 20 pretty much the same as the CMT one? I've never noticed a big difference; usually don't even remember which channel is which, since they're right next to each other on my cable system. (Which means, oops, I lied up above earlier today about not having cable. Of course I have cable! What was I thinking? I just have the basic plan, tough. Which is why I have to rent Sopranos and Six Feet Under and The Wire on DVD a couple years after they run. Also maybe why I never heard of Eric Roberts before. Though maybe I just wasn't paying attention.)

Haven't seen the Warren Bros show either, though I liked their 3rd album last year. Seemed kinda cranky stodgy kneejerk liberal-baiting in an old dennis leary kinda it's-hard-to-get-a-regular-old-coffee-in-this-newfangled-sissy-latte-world way in a song or two, but i figured that was just dumb opportunism. wouldn't mind hearing more about their politics.

xhuxk, Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

>Even if I can’t remember every example, I know I’ve seen a number of other signs of a cultural shift left on CMT lately.<

Big and Rich! Wow, just wait until he hears "Filthy Rich" on the new album.

xhuxk, Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

wouldn't mind hearing more about their politics.

Dukes of Hazzard. One episode had them drag racing an orange-painted shit mobile against a replica of the General Lee. Another, writing lyrics for Van Zant. Another, writing a song for somebody. Another, riding motorcycles with the Aussie dude. Real brain-rotting stuff, even by music channel standards.

The latest Montgomery Gentry vid has them going on about their paw gittin' back from a war where he was flying with his bud in F-15s and the bud didn't make it home. Nice fiction. F-15s only saw combat against Iraq in the two wars and I don't think any have ever been lost to enemy action, although a couple might have been shot down by misfiring Patriots in Iraqi Freedom. Mustangs would've been a better
a choice, but then they'd be grandchildren.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

To bring it around back to Gretchen, I'm guessing this guy would dig "Politically Uncorrect" - I don't, and it's not cuz I'm a lefty but b/c it's lazy and really kinda unnecessary - I guess the downside of being this really tough, outspoken, no-nonsense kind of country music gal who stands out from all the hairspray queens is that you have to do a bunch of songs that just reiterate that image rather than talk about, you know, actual stuff. This feels like her Manny Ramirez album - just Gretchen being Gretchen, y'know?

Josh Love (screamapillar), Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link

And more Gretchen. "California Girls" is mealy-mouthed, have-it-both ways crap. Hate those plastic surgery bimbos unless its Joker-faced Dolly P. and then in an interview after how wow she doesn't hate Paris Hilton and hopes its OK between them...yarghh.

werner t., Thursday, 29 September 2005 20:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Like I said in last year's comments for Nashville Scene roundup, there's been a lot of post-election, "yeehaw!/o shit now whut?" flavor to many Featured tracks (audio and/or video), and whole albums, sometimes (first noticed on last fall's Darryl Worley set of morbidly wry, pale musings, he who had cried "Have You Forgotten?" over shitloads of 9/11 footage, vs. any unease over invasion; mebbe also trying to sell himself? Even Toby later admitted to misgivings). And Darryl's was recorded even before the election. Not specifically political, a lot of this, but notice it's been a long time since anything like "Angry American" was played to death on CMT.(Notice New Unease-to-New Morbidity [of course there's a fucking stiff on the river in Chely Wright's damn song] gets bit even by xpost likes of Trick's Pony, with generic, Holiday-Inn-cover-band "It's A Heartache" as insultingly trite soundtrack to subject matter of Death Notice in vid.) And I've always thought "Do Your Thing" was very self-aware about how fucked/doomed the choice being made. (Pandering too, of course.)(As my barber always sez:"Aw may-un, they KNOW they're rednecks! That ain't th' problem!")

don, Thursday, 29 September 2005 20:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I sorta liked the *sound* of "Politically Uncorrect,* how it works a 40 hour week for a livin' just to keep it on down the line. The words (inasmuch as I was paying attention to them) seemed completely gratuitous. The sound and words to "Bud Wiser" both seemed dumber though, pandering not so much to an imagined or real bible-thumping red state working class (which I didn't mind so much, I guess because of the working class part) as to some cornball pun-sans-punchline c&w tradition I can imagine why anybody gives a shit about.

Creepiest and yet (or maybe therefore) probably the most interesting in that MG F-15 song is the one about "we were something-something and dirt-floor poor/'Course, that was back *before* the war" or however it goes, apparently implying that war breeds prosperity, just like in the old days. (Oh, *that's* why we're over there. Thanks, guys!)

xhuxk, Thursday, 29 September 2005 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link

..most interesting *line*,,,, I meant

xhuxk, Thursday, 29 September 2005 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link

, that was back *before* the war" or however it goes, apparently implying that war breeds prosperity, just like in the old days. (Oh, *that's* why we're over there. Thanks, guys!)

Hey, recruiters could use the song. That's the message, anyway, in the recruiting commercials. Hey, stuck in the go nowhere minwage job in your small town? Join the Ahmee and we'll train you in tech skills and such and maybe even pay for an education and then it's on down the road to prosperity with you. Of course, there's this one little thing we want you to do first. It worked on Lynndie England.

Jessica Lynch, too, for that matter. And she is now prosperous.

O' course, the country audience isn't exactly the CEO class at Martin/Marrietta, Lockheed or Halliburton, unfortunately. Or even CEO class in the oil companies. Some of them do probably work on the assembly lines in armaments manufacture but they enjoy more job security than big deal prosperity.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 29 September 2005 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link

but not even like that's a real widespread job opp, and even where there are such places, not so much business, cos Rummy's still trying to keep a lid on. At least where actual troops are concerned: for inst, reports yesterday that many still having to buy their own armor on Net.In non-battlefield news, it is also reported that at least one top Pentagonner (just a general, not a civilian daring to break ranks) is getting worried about Brown Root & Kellogg (& Halliburton) having scarfed up megabillions like bullion since '03.Mebbe Gretchen's songfolks is working for such a thang, Over There?

don, Thursday, 29 September 2005 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

True, a lot of weapons manufacture is highly automated. It's a sure thing lots of enlisted men are country fans (and country artists: Luke Stricklin!) but they don't earn money. They don't become prosperous unless they're trained in special forces or as Rangers or recon marines so when they get out of their tour, they can jump to the mercenary army with the right credentials. It's impolite to call them that, I have heard. They are professional corporate providers of security and restoration operations protection. Then they can go from earning in the low five figures to the low six figures, which would be prospering.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 29 September 2005 22:03 (nineteen years ago) link

>pun-sans-punchline c&w tradition I can imagine why anybody gives a shit about.<

no, i CAN'T imagine etc

xhuxk, Thursday, 29 September 2005 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost (low-five-to-low-six "that's prosperity)"o Hell yes. I'd settle for it. Also, all the bases being closed down here. (How's that, loyal voters. One more reason he's not so popular down here anymore, even before August-in-Iraq and Katrina cockups.) Lots of civilan jobs on base.

don, Thursday, 29 September 2005 22:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Fellows, I vas in der klub de otter night, und I heard someone ask der band,"Can you play All Jacked Off?" "No, ve'd loose our edge!"nyehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Red Lorre Yellow Lorre, Friday, 30 September 2005 00:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Sam the Sham rip of the year (sorry Big & Rich): "Jefe De Jeres" by Botelita de Jerez (which starts uno-dos-tres-quatro and then maintains the wooly bully texy mexy beat even when na-na-na's from "Hey Jude" come in at the end) on the rock en espanol covering narcocorridos tribute CD *El Mas Grande Homanaje A Los Tigres Del Norte,* the whole album of which is really good by the way, even the Cafe Tacuba cut, and especially the Molotov, Maldita Vecindad, El Gran Silencio, Peddeyet, and Julieta Venegas cuts, and maybe more.

xhuxk, Friday, 30 September 2005 12:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Oops, "Jefe De Jefes" I mean (translation would be welcome).

xhuxk, Friday, 30 September 2005 12:07 (nineteen years ago) link

the narcocorrido thing looks really interesting--I've just been looking into some of the early '30s and '40s roots of narcocorrido, people like Juan Gaytan. and what I've heard of Julieta Venegas I really like, too, esp. one called "Me Van a Matar," I think.

in Spanish "jefe" means boss or head of an organization, if I remember rightly, so I would venture to say that "jefe de jefes" would be "boss of bosses," or big dog..."jefatura" is "headquarters."

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 30 September 2005 14:37 (nineteen years ago) link

{actually ely guerra and/or la barranca (whose last album was real good too btw) possibly > molotov and/or pedeyet, who knows.}

xp

xhuxk, Friday, 30 September 2005 14:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Laura Cantrell fab in London last week!

the bellefox, Friday, 30 September 2005 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link

that tigres del norte comp came out a few years ago, it's being reissued because julieta venegas' song is suddenly a hit on the latin charts; 'jefe de jefes' does indeed mean 'boss of bosses,' it's the title track of tigres del norte's most ambitious record, a semi-concept double album from 1997 maybe, recently re-released and completely awesome

oh and let's talk about this: Ezequiel Pena's new record, Nuestra Tradicion: La Charreria, is an hour-long album of old Mexican cowboy and rodeo songs, done full-orchestra and/or small group banda, horse sounds breaking in sometimes, total ay yi yi stuff, countrier than country could ever be

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 30 September 2005 15:03 (nineteen years ago) link

So OK, maybe "Politically Uncorrect" is as bad as people say up above after all. (But a more important Gretchen question is: Why does she do ballads? What did her first album have, one memorable one maybe? This album may well have fewer than that.)

xhuxk, Friday, 30 September 2005 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link

She gotta do ballads; even though she wears pants alla time and gets herself talked about for it, she's a wooman who understands (And/or mentors Bigfried and Royich do)(If you've ever seen them in their Magical Mystery Tour white tails, with that white Borzoi between them, you'll get the ref if not already.) "When I Think About Cheatin" was amazing, she gets all turned on while reassuring me, and it's contagious, but the video was hideous.So now when I think about "When I Think About Cheatin", I tend to think about that too.

don, Friday, 30 September 2005 16:39 (nineteen years ago) link

"The Trouble With Jeanie" on the new Amy Rigby album that Bob Xgau loves so much is a great divorce-and-remarriage song. Beyond that, I don't really hear what Bob loves so much...The *songwriting*, I guess, but the music is so staid that the songwriting sure doesn't make itself heard, to my ears. I'm not even completely positive it's very good. But her voice is sweet enough; I have no problem with it, really. Just have trouble understanding how anybody could get excited about it. I liked a song she did a couple years ago about having a crush on a backpack-wearing bookstore employee much younger than her. She's always seemed *okay* to me. But that's about it. New album has one song that goes into a sort of raga thing, and another about dancing with Joey Ramone (I'm yawning already) goes into a sort of one-two-three-fowah Ramones imitation at the end. No lamer than when Motorhead did it, I suppose. And I wish Amy well; she probably deserves it. Seems like a fine human being. Beyond that, I dunno. To be honest, her songs all pretty much sound the same as each other.

xhuxk, Friday, 30 September 2005 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link

(Actually, her voice is fairly staid too, probably, which is probably part of the problem. I wouldn't call it bland or lifeless, though; I just wish she *did* more with it. Another demo singer, basically. But I really do with "The Trouble With Jeanie" could be purchased as, say, a 7-inch 45. A guy's new wife talking about meeting his ex-wife and mother of his kids, who she really likes. What a great topic.)

xhuxk, Friday, 30 September 2005 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I always had the same take on Amy, although I've never listened all that much. (But then again, the take is why I've never listened all that much.) Nice a while back on Conan or aomething; maybe she'll do a live set on W.Cafe (Oops she did do it on another show; gotta dig up that tape.) Here's hoping Chicks or Martina or etc. will cover her; think that could work. Reminds me of just seeing new Patty Griffith vid; she wrote some of Chicks' best, like "Let Him Fly" and "Top Of The World," and her onw first album seemed amazing when I heard it years ago, but others are uneven.(More dramatic overall than Amy, but that's not her thing anyway.) This song seems kinda wan, though maybe crushed by hectically intercut, hectic-enough-to-start-with footage from Elizabethtown(it's on the soundtrack). "The Blues Man," which thematically AKA "The Booze Man," writ by Hank Jr., real good new she-saved-me duet of George Jones and Dolly. His range is ltd now but stronger than it was when I saw him sev years ago and the ltd. goes with theme of being recycled good like bottles and cans, bottles and cans. (Wonder if he's a Scientologist now like Beck--are there country star Sci's?)"Big Blue Note" (the one she left him, and the one the geetar hits) nice (enough)new pre-Unleashed-type vid from Toby--guess this is the good once he can still be, even if he ain't(quite) as good as he once was. (But where's the great he was? Jest restin a spell on laurels, I hope.)

don, Friday, 30 September 2005 20:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry, Patty! It's "Griffin," not "Griffith" (Also wrote "Truth No. 2," another outstanding HOME track, with "Top Of The World.")

don, Friday, 30 September 2005 20:57 (nineteen years ago) link

hey so far I really like the marty stuart indian concept album, but I wouldn't blame anyone else for thinking it pretentious twaddle. nothing really all that wrong with pretentious twaddle per se, sez me. also, going on a minor road trip today, will listen again to jessi alexander, I'm thinking she's got the country debut of the year with honeysuckle rose, them songs is all good and stuff

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 1 October 2005 13:18 (nineteen years ago) link

So far (need to listen more) seems like her and her hubby's alb too will provide Choice Cuts (but hers might make it to Hon. Mention, or even higher: for one thing, this year is giving out of steam already, although Gulf Coast Blues don't help, though perky music is my solace, more often than elelgiac ["Louisiana 1927" aside]) Already, Bush's stunningly unique-for-him-and-his admission of fallibilty is counterbalanced by Michael Brown, back on the payroll to say his "biggest mistakei n was not realizing "how dysfunctional Louisiana waw" cos the Gov froze when he tried to pass the buck to her, speaking of State's Rights, as the Bush Court will do more and more). One we can't blame on Toby, or Bush, or Fox, or the Wall St. Journal: earlier this week, The Washington Post compared LA's Senators (1 Repub, 1 Dem) to looters taking 6 TVs when they only had room for 2, cos asking for too much aid. Maybe, since the Post editorialist no doubt has already run all the numbers, which it(seems like software writing software) somehow has access to, the Sen.s are asking too much, but this is saying that the request is basically illegitimate, so keep the emotional blackmail reasonable, umkaaay?

don, Saturday, 1 October 2005 13:42 (nineteen years ago) link

but speaking of perky, 3 good female bluegras/mountain-associated soundsources I have heard recently (fe vocals often help, esp with bluegrass): Polecat Creek: wheedle with me: "Yewoo dint mean those thangs yew sayood." (now did I)(sigh) No, Darlin', I guess yr rat, I takeit back. This is the mountain spirits here. Uncle Earl: "I done lost. Ma shu-gar bay-by now." No you haddn't. Comere. Uh-oh there's four of 'em! None an Uncle, an Earl, four lovely voices and a fiddle and a triangle. Wafting bluesy. Here's the bluegrass (oops can't find the tape, but archived at site of Americana Crossroads Live, the URL of which is not yr first guess, but you'll find it) Anyway, band is Michelle Nixon and Drive. They do.

don, Sunday, 2 October 2005 06:08 (nineteen years ago) link

so. back to the new beeg und reech. the advance CD works in my rentacar this weekend, so i've got some more thoughts, not all of them good. basically, i think compared to the first album there's just not enough stuff i LOVE on it, though there definitely are plenty of tracks I definitely LIKE (off the top of my head: comin to your city, jalapeno, filthy rich which my daugher cordelia though she seems to like it points out the holy modal rounders would've done faster, 20 margaritas, the one about the woman who's at LAX reading in Cosmo about how have to good sex and like Nelly said it's gettin hot in here I wanna take my clothes off, the looooooong vietnam epic with a typically wooden-voiced yet moving spoken kris kristoferson intro preface which song turns out to be about a medic who risked his life to save his buddies and wound up being the first black congressional medal of honor awardee since the spanish american war or at least that's what kris sez as I recall but damn is the thing hard to get all the way through all the time so good thing they put it at the end of the album.) also, there is at least one other ballad that seems really good but damned if i can remember what it is (no problem there, maybe -- outside of wild west show the ballads on the debut were the last tracks to sink in with me and a couple of them still haven't.) TOO MANY ballads though, this time, I'm thinking. And not enough really really OVER THE TOP sexy audaciousness; there's something lackadaisical and forced here, I think, even with the tracks I'm liking a lot, that I'm having trouble putting my finger on -- though maybe that's just the natcheral case with followups to ohmygod-I-can't-believe-this-album-exists breakthroughs, and I have little doubt that history will treat this followup as kindly as, say, Candy-O or Controversy (which, um, nobody else ever seems to remember how good it was but me, oh well.) Other weirdess: One track toward the three-quarter mark or so that starts out with a REALLY heavy riff, B&R's metal-est moment yet, and then the riff disappears and so far for me so does the song, like this huge motherfucking hard-on just went limp. Another song, maybe the second track on the album but I'd have to go back and check, that starts out exactly like "Bawitdaba" by Kid Rock, whose *Devil Without a Cause* seems to be an inspiration at least once later on in the album too. Except that album had way more and funnier punchlines on it, and so did *Horse of a Different Color.* But maybe the ones here will materialize; I sure hope so. Even if they don't, though, it's a real good rekkid. (also, i can never remember which track is supposed to sound like sam the sham and pharoahs: jalapeno or 20 margarittas? which are back to back with each other. which might mean neither of them sound THAT much like sam the sham...) (oh yeah, a Rod Stewart "Do Ya Think I'm Sexy" rock-disco rhythm seems to sneak into one of the tracks somewhere, but I forget which one.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 2 October 2005 10:41 (nineteen years ago) link

(and of course rod allegedly stole that rhythm from jorge ben in the first place, which might mean b&r's south-of-the-border influences are heading even further south, and THAT'S a good thing.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 2 October 2005 10:51 (nineteen years ago) link

And oh yeah, before some maroon starts whining about how "corny" or whatever it is that B&R quote/interpolate Nelly instead of, say, Trillville or Young Jeezy, they should explain to me how, say. Jay-Z collaborating with Linkin Park instead of the Gore Gore Girls or Tupac sampling Bruce Hornsby instead of fill-in-the-blank is any less corny. The nature of guys from one genre incorporating music from another genre is that, big whoop, they might not incorporate the absolute hippest or most up-to-the-minute stuff out there. And I'm really not convinced country is any more guilty of that than hip-hop or metal or any other genre is.

xhuxk, Sunday, 2 October 2005 12:37 (nineteen years ago) link

more random notes: (1) spongebob/pee-wee-style follow-the-bouncing-ball/sing-along-in-the-car-kids album intro thingee: irritating but charming. (2) repeated steve miller "jet airliner" reference in single: see also *licensed to ill* (3) circus bigtop intro to filthy rich: charming but irritating, and it should be noted that they mention cowboy troy though i don't think he's anywhere on this album, and who is "the original cowboy stevie wonder" again? i forgot. (4) old timey influence on "filthy rich" as much queen (again) as modal rounders or jimmy bufftett? maybe; i never heard that buffett song edd compared it to up above. but queen definitely never had a sax solo this hot, that's for sure.

xhuxk, Sunday, 2 October 2005 13:19 (nineteen years ago) link

and oh yeah, "jalapeno" has a bo diddley beat (a big one).

xhuxk, Sunday, 2 October 2005 13:38 (nineteen years ago) link

(and despite what i said about country vs. rap etc., i still wish they'd sing over a timbaland beat or a rza beat or a "sucker mcs" beat sometime as well as a bo diddley beat. but then i also i wish david banner had a working knowledge of recent kenny chesney and dierks bentley melodies. so yeah, i can dream.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 2 October 2005 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link

btw (oops, think i'm setting a record for consecutive posts here, what the fuck, it's BIG AND RICH, you know?) seems that in "jalapeno" what really happens is the diddley clave' subtly and gradually *evolves,* sort of, into the ben/stewart rock-disco samba, and at one point even turns toward some proggy little fusion squiggles. cool! maybe this album will seem (even) better if i concenrate more on the *band.* (at any rate, right now, i'd probably put the album below hold steady/miranda lambert/deana carter in my top ten, but around equal with m.i.a./fannypack, and above rod lee/mannie fresh/hard skin/young jeezy, though there's no doubt other candidates i'm not thinking of right now.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 2 October 2005 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link

(like for instance living things, who'd be somewhere in the middle too i guess) (and of the ones i mentioned i guess young jeezy is the longest shot.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 2 October 2005 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link

what I get from "Jalapeño" is sorta one-chord blues and George Clinton, myself, and it's quite funny to hear them go from that to the Statler Bros./Cledus Judd on the one after that. I like the idea of rocking out with steel guitars, too, and I suppose for people basically unsympathetic to what B&R do (and I like them fine) the whole thing boils down to texture and instrumentation. I'm still really enamored of the poppier stuff on the record and can't figure out if they intend some kind of sly commentary on psychedelica when they talk about supernova trains and demons in your brain...some kind of chemically altered reality they want people to connect to what "country music" has done in the past. So I still love "Blow My Mind" most on the record and that's the song I play for all the people who otherwise just dismiss this kind of thing out of hand. And something about "Slow Motion" puts me in mind of the distanced and almost-paraodistic stuff Stiff used to do, heartbreak as joke, and I think they do it really well. Although I'd love to hear Nashville do a samba/forro kind of big-beat hybrid, I also admire the way B&R have kept this record really spare-sounding, they could've gone crazy on it. I can only dream of their future collaboration with someone great like Carlinhos Brown, syncretism is syncretism.

I found the Amy Rigby song about Joey Ramone real embarrassing, but I like some of her new one, and I guess with her, that first record was pretty much unrepeatable, a moment in her life that falls into that home-truths category of things that need to be said once, maybe. She's an awfully nice and deserving person, though, and I always found her engaging when I saw her live here and once playing for a bar full of fratboys in Oxford, Miss.--she actually got them to listen, which was impressive. But I don't hear what Christgau is so up on either, even though I find it perfectly enjoyable.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 2 October 2005 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link

(edd, lemme know if you don't get that package this week; little worried about how well I packaged, though Rasputin obligingly stamped FRAGILE all over it)(Amy re-located to Nashville for a while, and Tuscaloosa DJ was horrified to whisper that she might even be moving to "Birmingham!", but I now think she's safe in New Yankeeland again.) Well, xxhuxx, perhaps when/if you and I ever get around to such thangifications, we should burn in some or all of Live A Little, speaking of actually kind of concise or incisive noizedelic country. Hearing that, I think he loosens up Rich's ex-Lone-Star tendencies, though of course they both Writers and Wringers and Wranglers of Thee Purple Page (And Rolling Paper)Soap'n' Stone Pony Oprys

don, Sunday, 2 October 2005 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

more (inevitable) big & rich thoughts:

1) funny, the track that kinda put me in the mind of the statler bros was "never mind me", where john (i think it's john) is on a ledge not about to jump but just looking at the stars, and you shouldn't worry about him (even if he's sleeping with your best friend), he's doing fine just counting flowers on the wall and playing solitaire with a deck of 51 (though he doesn't say that).
2) i hear that one and "i pray for you", i think it was, as having this spare, almost drum-machined '80s blue-eyed soul ballad sound: like paul young in "every time i go away," maybe? i guess that's closer than daryl hall or john waite (actually, it's between). though i'm starting to think hall&oates might actually be a c&w influence these days, on say brooks&dunn's more r&b-ish stuff for instance.
3) odd that, despite all these interesting rhythmic stuff going on underneath, "jalapeno" still comes off kinda clunky, somehow. also heavier, i'd guess, than anything sam the sham ever did.
4) "soul shaker" is basically a straight boogie, not as heftily kicking a one as montgomery gentry or shooter jennings or the kentucky headhunters might do, but good. i was wondering why it reminded me of ac/dc, and then i realized, duh, the title! also the cult, though i always thought ian astbury was yelling "SALT shaker!"
5) the song that starts with the heavy riff and i thought went limp after that is "blow my mind", the one that edd loves, and yeah, it's way better than i thought, sort of flighty fiddle pyschedelia, and like lots of the ballad stuff here, maybe closer to the slow songs on big kenny's solo album than the ones on b&r's previous duo joint.
6) they've got this cool jesus in the sky with diamonds kind of christian mysticism going on in stuff like "leap of faith" and "i pray for you," seems to me -- even more than before. nicely balanced with their swipe at greedy TV preachers in "filthy rich."
7) "caught in the moment" (the nelly one) (about a one-night stand basically, though it seems to end in a vegas wedding, unless that's a different couple) and "20 margaritas" are pretty cornball, almost in a regular sub-b&r pop-country way, but i don't mind much.
8) is it my imagination, or do john and kenny do the thing where
they both sing every single line together way less often than they did last time out? i think it's not my imagination.
9) "filthy rich" is still my favorite song (so far).

xhuxk, Monday, 3 October 2005 12:31 (nineteen years ago) link

and oh yeah, more than Candy-O or Controversy, the followup to unbelievable breaktrough album(s) *Comin To Your City* is most reminding me of (though b&r's is way shorter and more consistent and WAAAAAY better natured) is/are *Use Your Illusion*, with "8th of Novemeber" as both "Novemeber Rain" AND "Civil War," maybe.

xhuxk, Monday, 3 October 2005 12:39 (nineteen years ago) link

On the other hand, I would definitely take the totally morally conflicted Hope Partlow song where she makes out with her friend's boyfriend ("Sick Inside") over the Big&Rich song where John Rich makes out with his friend's girfriend ("Never Mind Me") any day. (That'd be the second or third best song on the Partlow album, behind the great "Crazy Summer Nights", tied with "Everywhere But Here," slightly above "Cold" and the Disney hit "Who Are We", which has a cool blues riff by the way. Also, "Let Me Try" sounds like a cross between David Johansen's "Flamingo Road" and Lionel Richie's "Three Times a Lady," sort of. She has a really ace band, whoever they are. I forgot her album when listing top 10 candidates above; right now, I'd put it somewhere below Lambert/Carter but above MIA/Fannypack, I think, though logically I can see why others might totally disagree. Bottom line is, I'd rather *listen* to it than MIA or Fannypack.)

xhuxk, Monday, 3 October 2005 14:26 (nineteen years ago) link

"Who We Are" (also the name of the album) not "Who Are We" I mean (I think I made that mistake once in the Voice, too, actually.)

xhuxk, Monday, 3 October 2005 14:30 (nineteen years ago) link

(Actually there's a good chance "Sick Inside" > "Cold" > "Who We Are" > "Everywhere But Here" , now that I think of it. But why nitpick?)

xhuxk, Monday, 3 October 2005 14:33 (nineteen years ago) link

On first listen, Gary Allan's *Tough All Over* sounds at least as good as his last two. At least six real good tracks ("Tough All Over" -- not a John Cafferty cover!, "I Just Got Back From Hell," "Nickajack Cave" -- a Johnny Cash tribute that thankfully sounds nothing like Johnny Cash!, "He Can't Quit Her," "No Damn Good", "Putting My Misery on Display" -- six minutes long, with great exploratory guitar at the end) out of 12. Blows the Dwight Yoakam album from this year out of the water, no question about that.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:26 (nineteen years ago) link

xxpost more proof that nobody reads my shit: I pointed out the H&O influence on C&W and esp B&D years ago, and Darryl still sings better than Ronnie, oldies-wise, but haven't kept up with H&O's recent-years output. (Wonder how Darryl's Sacred Songs, with backing by Fripp, turned out, since the latter may've invented a new approach with his good production of Roches' acoustronica,discreet music which I'd hope country will pick up on, if haven't already?)

don, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I gotta hear the Gary Allen album, since I really like "Nickajack Cave." And because you say it blows Yoakam out the water Chuck.

I heard "Sacred Songs" yrs ago, Don, and remember it being OK, and the connection to Fripp's production of things like the Roches tune about goin' down to Hammond makes sense to me, altho in Nashville they'd probably approach that kind of production from the angle of Swamp Eno, Dan'l Lan-wa, right? Maybe something like Sara Evans' "Otis Redding" *kinda* gets some way toward that...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 14:11 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost still haven't heard any of new B&Rich, but seems like would be better than new Gretchie, if "All Jacked Up" is any indication.(If *that's* their idee of a killer re-opening shot.) The traditional follow-up re-hash, like Campbell's soapy thing that tried to paraphrase the title-chorus-phrase of "Rhinestone Cowboy." Movie sequels can be an improvement, a distillation, even, once producers have checked research on what elements put the first 'un over the top--but song sequels, eh, notsomuch.(Second albums are of course notoriously slumpy, but are good 'uns more likely than songs to be, overall, satisfying sequels: I always thought yr. Candy-O was *better*,not just a good follow-up; and Controversy was at least as pink and proud as prev.)

don, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

now he's got me doing it, but my last sequel for a while: I heard G. describe "Jacked" as "a cross between ZZ Top and Charlie Daniels," and that may be the problem. The Top it tries to emulate seems to be Frank Beard, and, while inclusion of *actual* Beard might prove me wrong (does actual Charlie play on this? He poses in vid, but so does another fiddler, or fiddlebearer), seems like his approach doesn't so naturally swing,not in a way that goes so well with CDB-type swing.(Which, though rocking, is also more explict,swing per se, compared to ZZ's boogie-that-sometimes-also-woogies.)(And this may be one reason Billy F. got into synthesized rhythm, though ZZYnth is still more march-and-bounce than swing, which basically just isn't quite their thing.) Oh yeah, that Americana Crossroads Live archive yall might wanta listen to is at http://morehead-st.edu/units/wmky/ac_aa.htm I don't know how it sounds cos I don't wanna fool with Realplayer these days, but I'd say start with Bohola, whose name means "door of the hut" in ancient Gaelic, and who sound closer to ESP-DISK tribal thunder (like if Rounders had been a thatched power trio), than to Riverdance or even Solas, etc. (H'mm, they're archived twice: think the show I heard was with Gary Ferguson.)Also check Chip Taylor and Carrie Rodriguez. He wrote "Wild Thing," Angel Of The Morning" and a bunch of other hits, incl country (and he's Jon Voight's brother--the movie star, not like the "Jon Voight's car" turned out to be a dentist's, on Seinfeld.) So he's got the songs and guitar and Carrie's got the voice and the fiddle and the looks, and I like the one that's like a folkie's Barry White, bringin' the red wine and the Prine, "and if you wanna take me to bed, make I haven't understood a thing you've said," which reminds me of Dylan, in No Direction Home, remembering Glory and Echo: "Those girls brought out the poet in me." After those 2 acts, check Adrienne Young and Little Sadie, King Wilkie, Michelle Nixon & Drive,and Clyde Bowling. (He's more bluesy-to-boozey than these other folkie- bluegrassy-oriented bands, thus kind of my fave.) And Darrell Scott, another song-contributor to Dixie Chicks' Home, like xpost Patty Griffin.

don, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah doodoo, don't know why that link won't work from here. Try its alter ego, http://www.msuradio.com/ac_aa.htm, or put the program's title, Americana Crossroads Live, into Google Advanced and you'll see the archive's (functioning)link quick enough.

don, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Edd, thanks for Sacred Songs tip; now that I think of it, yeah Lanoise can be effective, but Fripp's was spare-er with Roches, so country equiv might be more like Frisell, who does work with vocalists sometimes, but blanking on who. (Thought about getting his Nashville, but cover was delib like Nashville Skyline, which might sound fine now, for all I know, but orig was kinda too mellow, and latter-day, post-Downtown Bill tends ditto.)A *bit* of darkcountrytronica spicing new Nickel Creek, no grandiose Lanoise, though.

don, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

"Nashville" is actually a good record--Frisell does that kinda thing better than Edgar Meyer or one of those guys (actually, I think Edgar Meyer is on that record, or maybe it's Jerry Douglas?).

Looks like Shelly Fairchild's playing here soon, might be worth seeing, eh Don?

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Hmmm, so I was just about to concede that I wasn't sure if Gary Allan's new one had a single song as great as "Allright Guy" or "Songs About Rain," then today's *Times came out, with Kelefa raving about all the tracks I thought were comparatively dull and ignoring most of the tracks that I thought weren't. Interesting. Guess I'll listen some more, though I gotta say I've long been stumped by K's attraction to lifeless emo ballads, in country and elsewhere. (Didn't know Allan's wife had committed suicide at 36 last year, though; that's horrible. Though I can't imagine it'll affect how I hear the music one way or another; stuff like that rarely does.)

Orville Davis *Barnburner* has a cool CD cover and great title, but the deadassed music once again confirms why alt-country sucks. The Dixie Bee-Liners sound slightly more lively, but probably still not a (bee?) keeper; Todd Fritsch CD might be one, though. We'll see.

xhuxk, Thursday, 6 October 2005 12:05 (nineteen years ago) link

(speaking of barnburners: Frank Kogan reports that Marisa Lambert's arson anthem "Kerosene" is now officially a single and a video, which he says is "incendiary"; haven't seen the latter myself, but both the album and song are clearly shoo-ins for my top 10, and should be for yours as well. I wonder if the Screaming Blue Messiahs have heard the song yet...or Steve Albini for that matter.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 6 October 2005 12:15 (nineteen years ago) link

"On first listen, Gary Allan's *Tough All Over* sounds at least as good as his last two."

I like this one a lot! his voice sounds really good. and, yeah, the playing, the guitars, all sound really cool.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 6 October 2005 12:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I also am enjoying the new Switchfoot and My Morning Jacket albums -- so sue me. Why is there no "rolling soft-rock thread" on ILM?

And Jenni Rivera's new Mexican-border tuba-polka banda-pop joint *Parranda, Rebelde Y Atrevida* sounds awesome, just like her last one. also, she appears to be built like a brick shithouse, and seems to enjoy letting it all hang out and posing with bottles of hard liquor, since she does the former at least twice and the latter at least three time on the CD cover and in the attached booklet. and that doesn't count the bathtub photo, or the one where she has a gun!

xhuxk, Thursday, 6 October 2005 12:33 (nineteen years ago) link

if you've got it, FLAUNT IT!

Big Fat Drunk Chick With A BoomBox, Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Jenni also flaunts being abandoned by her baby's daddy in the liner notes, which are totally great and insane -- or at least, that's who I'm *thinking* the "asshole" and "SPERM DONER" (all caps) she's referring to are. Then she goes on to thank her kid for not needing a "male daddy" or something like that (don't have it in front of me), and asks "who's you're muh'fucking daddy? I am." And in the first video of the two on the attached DVD she's a total narcorrido gansta godmother, from what I can tell. She seems to have gained weight since her last album, but doesn't seem to care. She sure carries it well. And her singing voice can sound like a brick shithouse as well.

"The Best I Ever Had," the single from Gary Allan's album, is growing on me; nice eerie use of space in the sound. But I wasn't kidding in calling it an emo ballad -- Kelefa, who loves it way more than I do, reports that it was originally done by Vertical Horizon. Interesting.

xhuxk, Friday, 7 October 2005 12:15 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, I was more familiar with the original than I ever wanted to be (frat rock 4eva!) so I don't think I can even objectively say whether Allan's version is good or not, the first time I saw it on CMT the cringe factor just went through the roof.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Friday, 7 October 2005 12:36 (nineteen years ago) link

So, very tentatively, where my Nashville Scene ballot seems to be leading; please feel free to remind me of stuff I'm forgetting, underrating, overrating, being a complete imbecile about, whatever:

ALBUMS
1. Miranda Lambert
2. Deana Carter
3. Big & Rich
4. Jamie O'Neal
5. Shooter Jennings
6. *Desperate Housewives*
7. Dallas Wayne
8. Brooks & Dunn
9. Gary Allan
10. J.D. Blackfoot
(also conceivably in the running: Reckless Kelly, Duhks, Kentucky Headhunters, Mighty Jeremiahs, Dierks Bentley, Cowboy Troy. None of the Mexican albums I've mentioned on this thread strike me as quite country enough, but Jenni Rivera would have a shot if she was.)

SINGLES
1. Shooter Jennings - "4th of July"
2. Miranda Lambert - "Kerosene"
3. Dierks Bentley - "Lot of Leavin' Left to Do"
4. Kentucky Headhunters - "Big Boss Man"
5. Erika Jo - "I Break Things"
6. Deana Carter - "The Girl You Left Me For"
7. Mazey Gardens and the Brick Hit House Band - "Callin' in Dead"
8. Toby Keith - "As Good As I Once Was"
9. Brad Paisley - "Alcohol"
10. Tim McGraw - "Drugs or Jesus"
(also in the running: Kenny Chesney "Anything But Mine," Leann Womack "I May Hate Myself in the Morning", Saywer Brown with Robert Randolph "Mission Temple Fireworks Stand," Montgomery Gentry "Something to Be Proud Of," Big & Rich "Comin' To Your City," Cowboy Troy "I Play Chicken With the Train.")

REISSUES
1. *Good For What Ails You: Music of the Medicine Shows: 1926-1937*
2. *You Ain't Talkin to Me: Charlie Poole and the Roots of Country Music*
3. David Allen Coe *Penitentiary Blues*
4. *The Dukes of Hazzard*
5. Terry Allen *Silent Majority: Terry Allen's Greatest Missed Hits*

xhuxk, Friday, 7 October 2005 20:37 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah you left out Shelly Fairchild's Ride, or at least "Ride," and Keith Anderson's "Pickin' Wildflowers," and Jackson's "Talkin' Song Repair Blues," and Jason Aldean's "Hicktown," and a couple things by Rimes--I'd just list all mine, but it's too much like work. I'll wait 'til it's time for Himes to wave that ten-spot again.And the T-shirt hell yeah!

don, Saturday, 8 October 2005 02:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, you know I'm behind Montgomery Gentry's "Something to Believe In" because it's so totally phony and in frame with the GWOT and the veneration of the military. Look at the video again. There MG are, superimposed on a wasteland -- what the place looks like after the US Strategic Command has launched a nuk-ulur strike at the rest of the world because the terrorists have done something calamitous to NYC or DC. It's indeed "Something to Believe In" and the melody is stirring and the lyrics total shit because no one who is dirt poor and gets beat with a switch learns to fly F-15's because to fly an F-15 you have to be at least a gradjeeit of the Air Force Academy (Itz 'the zoomies', look it up) and you don't get let in unless you're middle class or above and you can get a congressman or someone else important to help grease your way in. Nope, no F-15 flyers from pauperville.

I think it's fucking great. I do, I like the song. It's so thoroughly American.

George the Animal Steele, Saturday, 8 October 2005 03:00 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost I'm with Josh on "Best I Ever Had." At least Monkey G., even at their worst, are, as George so pungently demonstrates, Old Masters of The Art of Dogshit.(Starting to seem a bit Academic now, though; down hyar in country country, fewer and fewer give dogshit for Bushit--which is not entirely a new thang: 11 counties in Alabama went for Kerry.)

don, Saturday, 8 October 2005 04:46 (nineteen years ago) link

So, in the random 5-CD changer this morning, Terri Clark's new one was sounding a lot better than either Shelly Fairchild's or the current Rimes, which I put back in at Don's urging, and Switchfoot's album was sounding a lot better than Reckless Kelly. The Fairchild seems old to me! I think I got an advance way back in mid 2004 (even though I still have yet to fit Don's brief review of it into the Voice, though Don it is still slated to run, I promise); I voted for her on my best new artist list and best live show list on*last* year's Nashville Scene ballot (after seeing her cover Led Zep along with her own songs at both Joe's Pub and CBGB last year), but I'm not even sure her album is as good as the new Gretchen, much less than GW's first one. Rimes still hits me as a big retreat from her way dancy stuff on *Twisted Angel*; a powerful vocal showcase throughout but with only a couple cuts (I Got It Bad, You Take Me Home, maybe Some People) that really jump out from the mere lovely belting of it all. Reckless Kelly like their labelmates the Duhks (way more so if you ask me) need a singer who sounds way less average-guy than the singer they have now. Whenever I thought I was hearing a Reckless Kelly track really jump out at me, turned out it was by Switchfoot, who are not remotely country, as far as I can tell, but somehow *feel* country to me; I could actually imagine hearing them on CMT, though really their album is either the best Nickelback album ever or the best U2 album I've heard since *Under a Blood Red Sky.* Probably the latter. So I dunno where the country *feel* of it is coming from - some distant root in Irish folk melodies via U2 maybe? I dunno. Like Jenni Rivera though I really don' t think I consider 'em country enough for a country ballot.

Also in my 5-CD changer this morning: The new Merle Haggard, which is out on Capitol Records of all places. Sounds nice, thanx to his voice which astoundingly still holds up, but the songs don't seem as good as his last couple. Looks from the lyric sheet there's a couple political songs, but I haven't noticed hearing them -- one about how there's no freedom in the USA anymore, because, uh, we're not free to post the Ten Commandments anymore, okaaaaaay......and another apparently about how we should get out of Iraq and "Rebuild America First" (that's the title). But I've only read those; haven't heard them yet.

xhuxk, Saturday, 8 October 2005 17:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Forgot Shelly was on your last year's ballot, sorry. It didn't actually come out 'til March or April '05, cos they were trying to haggle out an endorsement deal with Harley-Davidson! (And then later she wiped out on one.) I like it better than either of Gretchen's, actually, the more I listen to it. (Which is still for fun, unlike G.'s, which even the first one was returned to only to compare, while writing about Ride, and I was surprised how modest most of that sounded:some good tracks, but only "Chariot" really pertained,and, though "Redneck Woman" is still cookin' like "All Jacked Up" ain't, Shelly's lyrics are closer to Miranda's, re flamboyant fe-mynd over he-matter.)I think the new Terri is worthy, but uneven (I'll get you that review pretty soon; got some other homework first.) Speaking of xpost country acoustronica, post-Roches/Fripp, etc, the new Freakwater is a bit like that. The lyrics and singing could always get deadpan-darlin'-trippy enough(something else for "acid folk," Ah 'magine), and now they have a synth that grunts. (George, this reminds me: are Pignose Amps still being made?)

don, Saturday, 8 October 2005 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link

>new Terri is worthy, but uneven<

Is it? Seems oddly consistent to me -- I'm pretty sure I like the first six tracks and the last two (the closer "Tear It All Down" rocks enough to earn its title). But still, something's holding me back from it. Maybe I just need to play it in a car sometime, and it'll all kick in. Anyway, Don, I'm really curious which tracks you *don't* like; maybe I'm overrating a few.

xhuxk, Saturday, 8 October 2005 21:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Or maybe, compared to lots of these ladies, it's Terri herself who's held back. Even when she's really good, there's something going-through-the-motions about her. And I say that as somebody who voted for "Girls Lie Too" in my Pazz and Jop singles last year....Maybe it's just she kinda seems like a slick old pro in the midst of all these wild young upstarts. But maybe that's wrong, and even if it's not, maybe I shouldn't be holding it against her.

xhuxk, Saturday, 8 October 2005 21:11 (nineteen years ago) link

(George, this reminds me: are Pignose Amps still being made?)

Yeah, usually when you walk in Guitar Center there will be one right near the counter or in the glass display case. Was a great amp for my grad school apartment. An unbeatable idea which many have tried to copy, a couple with success, namely Roland with the Micro-Cube, which is roughly the same size and serves the exact same purpose.

George the Animal Steele, Saturday, 8 October 2005 22:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Cool, thanks! (Think it might be their pump organ that grunts more, though.) (xxhuxx: just wait 'n' see whut I say about the Terri tracks, but her Gtst. Hits will be on my Reissues, and that's the place for anybody else to start, with best tracks from Pain To Kill and this new 'un burned in--hit those Used bins!)

don, Saturday, 8 October 2005 23:46 (nineteen years ago) link

OK Don, now I'm confused -- I have that '04 Greatest Hits CD, which is indeed the place to start, but my copy has nothing from her new *Life Goes On* on it. So...are we talking about the same new Terri album? I'd noticed Matt, I think it was, discussing an album toward the beginning of this thread which I've never heard nor seen, but the one I've been talking about is the one that's just out this month. (Wouldn't make sense to review her *second*-newest one, so I *hope* you're talking about *Life Goes On*; just making sure...)

Oddly, sitting on a table now about three feet from my typing hand is the Pignose I bought as a gift for my better half at a guitar store in Quakertown, PA two years ago. She loves it.

xhuxk, Sunday, 9 October 2005 00:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm confused about why you're confused. Is it because I said "with tracks from 'Pain To Kill' and the new 'un burned in"? See, "burned in" is what some of those dude ranchers do when tapin' just ain't foo-foo enough. I don't bother, and I'm sure you don't neither, but that's whut they do--sumpum bout them CD_rs or CD-Rs, some damn format as at. Now that Matt fella, he mighta had the *first* version of the promo, which I never heard, and which had a different title wayyy back then, I think, before Mr.***James Stroud***came back, to rework some of those tracks(and disappear some, recruit others), and I sure pray they're the ones I like, or what would that say about me??? Life Goes On is I'm talkin bout, o Yes!

don, Sunday, 9 October 2005 06:04 (nineteen years ago) link

>Is it because I said "with tracks from 'Pain To Kill' and the new 'un burned in"?<

Yep, that''s why. But OK, I get it now. Though I still don't know how you can burn onto an album that already exists! Though I guess you mean burn onto a burn. Or a rip. Or whatever. It's all Greek to me here in my cave.

Best parts of the Todd Fritsch CD (ie, the most Western swinging parts, generally) could be George Strait in 1984, when I still liked him and he wasn't a boring supposed superstar yet. Said parts may or may not be few and far between though.

Switchback are as much Matchbox 20 as Nickelback or U2 actually. I don't mind (I actually liked a couple Matchbox hits, believe it or not), but I like their early U2 mode best.

My Morning Jacket's new one's best parts remind me more of the mid '60s Who (via Paul Weller maybe?) or early '70s Elton (including a blatant "Bennie and the Jets" quote toward the end of the first song) than of Southern rock, though there's a real good Neil Young style guitar-jam solo somewhere. I like when the singer does his white soul vocals. Worst parts sound like quiet indie rock tweedium. I like more tracks on it than I don't, though.

xhuxk, Sunday, 9 October 2005 15:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Switchfoot, I mean! (Nickelfoot. Hoobaback. Nickelstank. Linkinback. You know.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 9 October 2005 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Do Pignose Amps have any kind of stage use? Do people (or pigs) record with them, or are they just for practice, songwriting, and other private use?

don, Sunday, 9 October 2005 16:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Better half sez: "People have definitely been known to record with them and play with them on stage. There's an output in the back that you can use to plug into a bigger amp or mixing board." She's only used hers for practicing, though.

xhuxk, Sunday, 9 October 2005 16:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Occasionally. I use to see them onstage as a pre-amp to main rigs on an off and on basis. There's an 'out' on the back that's easy to run into the input of a bigger amp, overdriving that amp depending on how you set things, or lending the Pignose distortion to it. And Pignoses have been used a lot in recording. Some of my first attempts made use of it. Small amps driven hard are real easy to make sound big on recordings. Indeed, there are advantages in miking them as opposed to having to wrestly with a half stack turned up to bone-breaking to get the same sustain and whoomph. Page used a little Supro only somewhat larger than a Pignose on the first LZ album.

The Pignose is very much a jack-of-all trades, a Swiss army knife. The price is so ridiculous there's almost no obstacle to not having one at some point. Indeed, Pignose has actually made a stage amp for long time, too.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 9 October 2005 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually I've decided Reckless Kelly are basically Drive By Truckers Jr. I like them; their album is better than the last Drive By one for sure. But they are missing...something. And not just a great singer, either. Melodies? Maybe that's it.

xxpp

xhuxk, Sunday, 9 October 2005 18:21 (nineteen years ago) link

And back to Todd Fritsch, he basically halfway pulls it off for four tracks: #2 "Small Town Radio," then #7-8-9 "Friends Behind Bars"/"Corpus Christi Callin'" (a somewhat shameless "Amarillo By Morning" ripoff maybe a quarter as good as the original if that)/"Bob Wills Song," though oddly the titles of tracks 7 and 9 are erroneously transposed on the sleeve. Rest of the album's mostly a snooze, but he's conceivably a name to remember regardless.

xhuxk, Sunday, 9 October 2005 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

That is one strange sound on Freakwater's "so strange"; if it is the pump organ, after all, gotta be a Pignose or something like George describes, to get such a gastric chord. What the heck, I was gonna send 'em a nosey email anyway, re the feature, so I'll ask that too. Maybe I should get one? (Wonder what a harmonica would sound like through it?)The Outlaws Concert is on yet again; at the point, the only part I want to see is Shooter and Jessi, singing together. Still hoping for her new album one of these days. Xpost Yeah, seems like Merle makes a goodun and then a not so goodun, and this is the latter, but that means we got the next to look fwd to, and maybe by xxmass, who knows! (in 70s Guide, xxgauu was already complaining Hag'ud made "too damn many" records, and he was already right.)(Gonna be a new Outlaws Concert next month, according to their website this summer.)

don, Monday, 10 October 2005 00:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Wonder what a harmonica would sound like through it?

It would sound good if you use the right mike and have some technique and compress it just the right way to capture the Pig's EQ not totally overdriven/saturated which is as well-matched to harmonica just as it is guitar. Anything bluesy really. You'd really dig a SansAmp for the same thing but that's a slightly different kettle of fish and another one hundred smacks. Another Swiss army knife of pop rock.

Now, why isn't Sheryl Crow's "Wildflowers" here? First three cuts would sound great on CMT, the best being "Good is Good." What's great about these are the guitar sounds mixed with fiddle and orchestra. The tones are gorgeous, crashing down on you in waves. Man, I'm angry. All I get as promos are a dribble of crusty-sounding extreme metal bands and semi-shitty altie acts (can you say The New Lou Reeds [eyes roll up in head]?) so that when something classicly great sounding arrives at the laser, tears come from the stone, the cats dance and the woodwork weaps.

Not too excited about the rest of it yet but the uptempo "rock" song rocks and it's batting as good as Hope Partlow.

And why are all the fiddles mixed higher than the guitars in Wilson's "All Jacked Up" when everyone makes like they're playing righteous guitar in the bar in the video?!?!??!?!?!?!? And what's with the little people imitating Big & Rich? That's a Kid Rock thing, right? No wonder Peter Dinklage always looks like he's majorly pissed off in Threshold.

Billy Barty died for somebody's sins but not mine.

George the Animal Steele, Monday, 10 October 2005 03:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Wildflower goes well beyond the first three cuts. As good as Wildflowers by Petty & the Heartbreakers in the Hollywood Bowl. Drum program on "Good is Good" that the undiscerning can't tell is a drum program until it hits a last middle eight in the final minute of the song where everything but the CROW VOICE and acoustic guitar and drum loop drop away.

George the Animal Steele, Monday, 10 October 2005 06:11 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost thanks for tips (SansAmp? Hadn't heard of that, h'mm...) I think I have seen "Good Is Good" on Wide Open Country, haven't I? CMT's been showing most of her vids since "Steve McQueen," at least. (Great Crossroads with her and Willie, and then they were reunited at Cash memorial concert, just the two of them, her go-going to his deelighted acoustic guitar.) But she also debuted(?) "Good Is Good" in a TV commercial for something else, which may have had dibs, and slowed down widespreading of video?(Which is also a commercial, for the song itself, o course.) Speaking of Nickelswitch and Footstank,I like "Doesn't Remind Me," by Audioslave, of all people--Chris likes stuff that "doesn't remind me, of any,thang"--yes, it's good to let the auto-associations drop away as much as possible, sometimes--still, it's country-associative enough for me quickly to imagine Van Zant (or recent Pat-Green-etc-countrypop source Mellenplate) doing it--and indeed, wouldn't be surprised if this orig. turns up on Wide Open Country--nice video, too.)

don, Monday, 10 October 2005 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I think they're missing a great lead guitarist who would open things up; I like Willy Braun's vocals, and upon reflection I like their *words* more than anything. I guess I also like the way they play and the fact that they don't show off, and when I compared them to some kinda powerpop thing a while back I was hearing a cool kind of structuralism in their songs, like, to my powerpoppy ears, "Wretched Again" sorta equalled Big Star's "She's a Mover." In short, they seem to be thinking about what they're doing more than a lot of alt-folks, and they seem tough without making a big deal out of it, which I find refreshing. And I do like them better than most Drive-By Truckers I've heard, too.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 10 October 2005 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

(that was edd xxxppping on reckless kelly, btw, who, if edd's right, i apparently might like more if i had as much use for big star as he does, or any use for them at all i guess.)

xhuxk, Monday, 10 October 2005 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link

xxpostt Janet Beveridge Bean now tells me that Freakwater's gastric chord was not udderance of synth, pump organ, or Pignosed anything else: it's a bass clarinet! I had thought of bass sax, bass harmonica, but seemed more mutational (well, she didn't say it didn't have non-Pignose; who knows, maybe there was a SansAmp spotted leaving the scene--better let the mystery be[an]) I should say, once again, "Y'all suck for not liking DBT!" But must be more diplomatic, cos Freakwaterdyssey interrupted by Special Assignment: Hot Apple Pie! I'm spozed to mention them in context of current wave of Semironic Redneck Chic, esp. their"Hillbillies" video, which neither KCH nor I remember beyond incl. of what she says:"white chicks shakin ass in daisy dukes, the boat, and other tropes of 'new south culture'"(she also mentions something in passing about "Brad Paisley as Beck"!? So far hasn't explained) Any thoughts (or anything)on any of this?????????

don, Monday, 10 October 2005 22:04 (nineteen years ago) link

The video reminded me of "Faith" by George Michael, for some reason (or at least the ending of it did). (Also you should be sure to mention Jimmy Ray and Jim Stafford.)

xhuxk, Monday, 10 October 2005 22:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I went back upthread to our May discussion: you're thinking "Faith" (and "Spiders and Snakes") cos of the bassline, rat? And/or other elements?

don, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 00:29 (nineteen years ago) link

was just looking at Music's table of contents in ye olde voice, and happened to notice that my Big Kenny and Jon Nicholson had slipped almost directly into Recent Reviews, without ever being made conspicuous otherwise.That happens occasionally, and I guess Ida figured it out when the check gets here (thanks!), but since I didn't notice, thought yall might not have either. Worth a chuckle, hopefully (if this link doesn't work, try google advancing the title, Wurlitzer Dawgs Out!,from Domain Namewww.villagevoice.com, but here's the link:) http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0541,allred,68699,22.html

don, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 05:30 (nineteen years ago) link

If I wanted to politely ask somebody if I could be included in Nashville Scene poll, who would I politely ask?

werner t., Tuesday, 11 October 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Geoff Himes. I'll email you his email address.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Kelefa, who loves it way more than I do, reports that it was originally done by Vertical Horizon. Interesting.

"'Best I Ever Had' wasn't written by Mr. Allan; it was written by Matthew Scannell, from the legendarily tepid rock band Vertical Horizon, which recorded it for a 1999 album."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 19:24 (nineteen years ago) link

As of today, this might be my Country Music Critics Ballot, though I haven't listened to some of these in several months, so I don't know.

SINGLES:
Deana Carter "The Girl You Left Me For"
Miranda Lambert "Kerosene"
Shooter Jennings "4th of July"
Jo Dee Messina "My Give a Damn's Busted"
Miranda Lambert "Bring Me Down"
Dierks Bentley "Lot of Leavin' Left to Do"
Kentucky Headhunters "Big Boss Man"
Miranda Lambert "Me and Charlie Talking"
[Julie Roberts "Wake Up Older"]
[Brad Paisley "Whiskey Lullaby'}

The two in brackets are really from last year. I was thinking maybe I could count Kultur Shock's "Tutti Frutti" as country, since Bosnia is a country, but I decided that that reasoning was specious. If Jamie O'Neal's "Devil to the Left" becomes (or is) a single, I'll vote for it, though I've so far been bored by the album. If the title track to Lee Ann Womack's There's More Where that Came From becomes/is a single, I might vote for that too (much more intense than the Morning Hate song, which I count as last year anyway). I really need to listen to more country, but first I have to persuade myself to take a break from the reggaeton station.

ALBUMS:
Deana Carter The Story of My Life
Miranda Lambert Kerosene
Big & Rich Comin' To Your City
Bobby Bare The Moon Was Blue
Shooter Jennings Put the O Back in Country
Gene Watson Then & Now
The Maybelles White Trash Jenny
The Mighty Jeremiahs
Lee Ann Womack There's More Where that Came From
Elizabeth McQueen and the Firebrands Happy Doing What We're Doing

I agree with Chuck that this year's Gene Watson is less distinctive than last year's ...Sings (though I can't look at that title without being reminded of the time when Richard Lilly, employee at the Strand Book Store, took a book of Louise Nevelson's paintings, pasted the letters S-I-N-G-S as a semimoon underneath the name "Louise Nevelson" to create the title "Louise Nevelson Sings," and put the book on display in the front window). So far I've only listened to a few tracks from the Little Big Town and a few from the Gretchen Wilson (same ambivalent reaction as Werner), and none from the Gary Allan. I might well be underrating the Big & Rich. Or overrating it. The Miranda Lambert album includes a few shrugworthy tracks, but her voice is enticing regardless, maybe as good as Natalie's. I haven't heard (or seen) the Desperate Housewives; also haven't heard the Dallas Wayne or the Brooks & Dunn or the Reckless Kelly or the Toby Keith or the Kenny Chesney.

REISSUES:
You Ain't Talkin' to Me: Charlie Poole and the Roots of Country Music

Haven't yet listened to Penitentiary Blues, but the liner notes are the pisser:

FOR THE FIRST 90 DAYS OF YOUR FREEDOM... FUCK ONLY PROSTITUTES. NEVER FUCK THE SAME ONE TWICE. "I ain't never bought no pussy in my life," you say! WELL, NOW IS THE TIME TO START! All you need is some pussy, right? YOU DON'T NEED ALL THE OTHER SHIT THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT. So pay for the pussy and go on about your business at least until your emotions become stable enough to deal with a relationship that demands emotional stability.

REMEMBER... YOU ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON YOU WILL EVER COME INTO CONTACT WITH WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR FUTURE. NO ONCE CAN SHAPE YOUR FUTURE BUT YOURSELF, AND YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN CAUSE YOU TO GO BACK TO PRISON.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 20:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Here are notes I wrote about this year's Dwight Yoakam but then forgot to post:

The album's not bad, really, but I loved some of the last one, while I barely notice this one. "Intentional Heartache" is my favorite by far, especially the part where the exasperated husband dons a bossy voice and orders his wife to put down the spray gun she's defacing his possessions with. But the guy is shouting and hectoring, not singing. Another cut starts with this Brit-accented earnest-announcer type (is he someone from TV whom I should know about, or is it Dwight playing dressup with his voice?), like some Monty Python madman keeping a calm façade. But once the singing starts, the track becomes forgettable. Christgau once called Yoakam the world's only honky-tonk purist, which doesn't make sense to me at all - Yoakam's no more a purist than Elvis Costello is (at least not current Yoakam; I don't know what if anything I've heard from his lettuce days). Edd's closer to the mark when he calls Yoakam a "mean old formalist," which is to say Yoakam likes to play with forms: he doesn't inhabit his music so much as he deploys it. I'm sure I couldn't explain this in musical terms; probably something in his vocal timbre. The title track on Population Me was both gorgeous and intense while at the same time you could imagine that Dwight was barely stifling guffaws - reminds me of the mid-'60s Kinks ("Harry Rag" in particular), played much stronger but sounding much less wicked: I can't really imagine Dwight inventing a "whole 'nother way to hate" (Chuck's description of "Well Respected Man," "Dedicated Follower of Fashion," "Sunny Afternoon," and "I'm Not Like Everybody Else").

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 22:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I've noticed the versions of "How to Survive in Prison" by David Allan Coe differ slightly from original, included in the promo, the edition in the finised CD. The bit describing

The Sexually Perverted Guard: is censored. Missing, "They are the worst of all! Using their authority to make young men suck them off.

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 22:57 (nineteen years ago) link

well the "versions," per- and other, of DAC's actual prison (or reform school, or holding pen, or extra homework) have been remixed in many different interviews over the years, and I seem to recall that Ed Ward and Nick Tosches and others (who started in mid-70s)have yet to hack very far into the actual rapsheet behind his rapshit.(Rape/sheet/shit? For a while, was claiming to have killed a guy who tried to rape him in the shower--?) Speaking of remixes, I just discovered that I've dumped my re-Big Star (massive marshmellow overcoat of verbiage riding the CharLoaf skeletone)into http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com, right on top of Matt's own new "Fried Ice Cream Is A Reality"--oops! Sorree Haleeboon! Also today, in Charloaf itself, their version of my Nickel Creek feature debuted, pretty much intact this time! Well, a few things: for inst, I said their nervous edge got "smoothed out, just a bit" by producer/mist-mama Allison K's trademark atmospherics, and that this "distinctive blend" might well have been key to initial success, which got changed to plain "smoothed out," which doesn't seem so "distinctive" a "blend." But the overall point of the sentence comes across if you don't read too closely (just like SAT questions), and also the overall point of the piece itself, which is why anybody who isn't nec a bluegrass fiend might enjoy what they do. (Which is more about the songwriting than the pickin', and always was, on record, anyway; always did have their own ever-budding POV.)And remix of that will be on freelance also, after the Charloafer has dropped into their archive.(oh yeah, 'member my links don't work good, so if curious, please visit creativeloafing.com, click on Charlotte tab, on the bottom right, and then on Music, thanks)

don, Thursday, 13 October 2005 02:37 (nineteen years ago) link

xxp I hear a lot more heart in Dwight's "Population: Me" than the last one--but to borrow a line from Christgau, I think it is, he just strikes me as too damned skilful to put down. I am a benevolent old formalist at times, and what can I say, I am dumb enough to be a little impressed by his taste in models despite what I know is my better judgement, and I believe that's exactly what the cold-hearted bastard wants us to feel. So maybe he knows wha he's doing.


Anyway, my Scene poll album list would look like this right now:

1-Deana Carter, Story of My Life
2--Big & Rich, Comin' to Your Town
3--Lee Ann Womack, There's More Where That Came From
4--Reckless Kelly, Wicked Twisted Road
5--Maybelles, White Trash Jenny
6--Blaine Larsen, Off to Join the World
7--Gene Watson, Then and Now
8--Miranda Lambert, Kerosene
9--Sara Evans, Real Fine Place
10--Dwight Yoakam, Blame the Vain

with Gary Allan, Shooter Jennings, Elizabeth McQueen (but OK, "Happy Doing" is a country album in sensibility or musical style? not that I'm all that worried about absolute categories, but...) and Laura Cantrell all with a good chance of moving into that Yoakam slot or elsewhere. I wasn't totally knocked out by all of Larsen's record, but I do think it's somehow significant on a kinda extra-musical level--subject matter--and that the kid tapped into something really important in this fucked-up American year, you know? A really good high-school record, which I think we need more of. And I like the way he sings. Cantrell's record contains a couple of, to my ears, pretty great songs/recordings, sometimes it strikes me as a bit prim, but I think her Lucinda Williams cover is good, maybe as good as Bettye LaVette's. Maybe it's me being sentimental, but I think Cantrell's "Old Downtown," about Nashville, is just superb in concept and execution.

Singles so far:

1--Dierks, Lot of Leavin'
2--Brad Paisley, Alcohol
3--Cowboy Troy, I Play Chicken
4--Miranda, Kerosene
5--Erika Jo, I Break Things
6--Deana Carter, The Girl You Left Me For
7--Keith Anderson, XXL
8--Tim McGraw, Drugs or Jesus
9--Big &, Comin' to Your Town
10--Jo Dee, My Give a Damn's Broken

I didn't like "Pickin' Wildflowers" all that much, didn't think the single from Evans' "Real Fine Place" was all that single-y, and actually found Jennings's "Fourth of July" my least favorite song on a record that I didn't like at first, and now think I was wrong about.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 13 October 2005 03:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Had Jamie O'Neal, Elizabeth McQueen, Little Big Town, and the Maybelles (along with L.A. banda-rappers Akwid, who I wish were even more banda, though maybe they are and I just haven't picked up on it yet) in my CD changer last night, and I was liking them in precisely that order. The O'Neal was even more alive than I'd remembered -- especially "Naive," which might swing even harder than Dierks' hit; I swear the beat is almost disco to my ears, and if I'd heard it on the radio more than once (and hence thought of it more as a single), it might well make my singles ballot. McQueen is definitely country as far as I'm concerned; I mean, Brinsley Schwarz and Ducks Deluxe were country-rock bands, pretty much, right? Though right now the track I'm really loving is her rocking Dr. Feelgood cover ("That's It, I Quit", I think it's called; don't have it in front of me). Won't be surprised if that album and maybe Little Big Town displace Gary Allan and JD Blackfoot on my album ballot; we shall see. Maybelles sounded good, too, but a lot duller than all these others, to me; my favorite cut is probably the Woody Guthrie cover about labor unions, and unlike Frank I think I way prefer Jan Bell's prettiness to Melissa Carper's zonkedness; the antiquity of the latter really sounds like shtick to me, and more a stodgy shtick than an exciting one. Hmmm...

xhuxk, Thursday, 13 October 2005 13:10 (nineteen years ago) link

this is crazy, this is crazy, haven't heard Gary Allan yet nor Big and Rich nor Miranda Lambert, way behind. also: NEW YOLANDA PEREZ IN NOVEMBER!!!!!!!!!!! still, here goes, all ties to be broken later

1. [tie] Marty Stuart, Soul's Chapel
1. [tie] Del McCoury Band, The Company We Keep
1. [tie] Deana Carter, The Story of My Life
1. [tie] Banda el Recodo, Hay Amor
5. Ezequiel Peña, Nuestra Tradición: La Charrería
6. Dallas Wayne, I'm Your Biggest Fan
7. Jessi Alexander, Honeysuckle Sweet
8. Marty Stuart, Badlands
9. Robbie Fulks, Georgia Hard
10. Doug Cox & Sam Hurrie, Hungry Ghosts (just got this, which replaces Grupo Exterminador & Lee Ann Womack)

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 13 October 2005 13:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Except doesn't Badlands not come out until next year, Matt? (You could save that one for 2006, and clear up a space!)

xhuxk, Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:23 (nineteen years ago) link

no, it's due in November...and there's one more Marty Stuart record coming later too, a live bluegrass hoedown thing.

The word is that Yolanda's record is banda with two hip-hop tracks and one reggaeton jam!

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:30 (nineteen years ago) link

>no, it's due in November<

Er, not according to his website (scroll down):

http://www.martystuart.com/Z-Art-Misc-RCJournal-6-24-05.htm

xhuxk, Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:33 (nineteen years ago) link

oops, this says oct 25, also on his website, so who knows:

http://www.martystuart.com/Index.htm

xhuxk, Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Kogan: could I get Himes' email, as well? Gracias.

I won't be as presumptuous as to post a potential Scene ballot here, until I know if I might be able to vote this year (but my country single of the year might be George + Dolly's "The Blues Man")...

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link

oh but his website sucks, who are you going to believe ME OR HIS LYING PIXELS

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd love to get in on the Nashville Scene thing too, even if I don't know much about it outside of Chuck's mentions.

01 Keith Anderson – Three Chord Country and American Rock 'n' Roll (am I really the only one who thinks this is fantastic?)
02 Lee Ann Womack - There's More Where That Came From
03 Toby Keith - Honky Tonky University
04 Jason Aldean - s/t (see #1, just a bunch of well-written songs)
05 Miranda Lambert - Kerosene
06 Shooter Jennings - Put the "O" Back in Country
07 Elizabeth McQueen and the Firebrands - Happy Doing What We're Doing
08 Nickel Creek - Why Should the Fire Die?
09 Shelly Fairchild - Ride
10 Deana Carter - The Story of My Life

***still need to hear Big and Rich, Dallas Wayne, Maybelles, Jamie O'Neal***

01 Shooter Jennings - "4th of July"
02 Toby Keith - "As Good As I Once Was"
03 Brad Paisley - "Alcohol"
04 Dierks Bentley - "Lot of Leavin' Left to Do"
05 Big and Rich - "Big Time"
06 Lee Ann Womack - "I May Hate Myself in the Morning"
07 Deana Carter - "The Girl You Left Me For"
08 Keith Anderson - "XXL"
09 Joe Nichols - "What's a Guy Gotta Do?"
10 Jason Aldean - "Hicktown"

Josh Love (screamapillar), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link

erm, I hope that wasn't too presumptuous.

xpost

Josh Love (screamapillar), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link

My info on "Badlands" says release date late Oct. as well.

And yeah, Brinsley and Ducks were kinda country, alt-country in gestation--I wonder how many people picked up on that McQueen record? I mean I don't know anyone around here who's even heard of it/her, which is a shame. Anyway, that one and Bettye LaVette's and Thea Gilmore's should have their own categories for cover records, and Martina I guess would have to be in there too, even though I can't bring myself to listen to hers quite yet.

I love "XXL" from Anderson's record, but find most of it borderline. To my ears, some truly...interesting... vocalizing, but maybe the effect is deliberate or something. The song abut pederasts and Jesus is...ahh...

Once I convince Sharon to give me the Charlie Poole for my birthday here soon, I'll be able to say something about it. The Coe will probably make list of reissues. I wish to hell someone would do up Gary Stewart's "Your Place or Mine" and his pre-RCA Kapp/Decca singles.
xp

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha ha, I just noticed that "Sentir La Vida (Version Radio)" by Akwid has a rooster cockle-doodle-doo-ing in it! How country is that?

xhuxk, Thursday, 13 October 2005 15:03 (nineteen years ago) link

deana is gonna be my number one album too. on the pazz & jop anyway.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 13 October 2005 15:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyone heard Garth's tribute to LeDoux, "Good Ride Cowboy," yet? And is there any official news yet on this heavily-rumored boxed set potentially due next month?

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Thursday, 13 October 2005 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks to Frank for Nash Scene help -- looks like I'll be voting.

1. Pinson, Man Like Me
2. Lambert, Kerosene
3. Big & Rich, Comin' To Your City
4. Womack, There's More Where That Came From
5. Allan, Tough All Over
6. Aldean, Aldean
7. Paisley, Time Well Wasted
8. Sara Evans, Real Fine Place
9. Hayes Carll, Little Rock
10. Anderson, Three Chord yadda yadda

Singles
Play Chicken with the Train
Alcohol
Don't Ask Me How I Know
Kerosene
Bring Me Down
Hicktown

Must hear Carter and Wayne and McQueen I'm sure others I am forgetting at the moment. Could, actually likely, that Lambert will move to top spot once I hear again.

werner t., Thursday, 13 October 2005 16:00 (nineteen years ago) link

*Terry Anderson and the Olympic Ass-Kickin Team* (Double Naught Records) basically sounds exactly like a Rockpile album, and thereby basically reminds me why I never liked Rockpile much (or for that matter pretty much anything Lowe or Edmunds did after *Labour Of Lust* or *Repeat When Necessary,* respectively. Damn those guys softened their sounds -- I mean, I guess Rockpile did an okay version of "I Knew The Bride" once, but that song dates back as early as at least *Stiffs Live* in 1977 or 1978, so it doesn't count. And these alleged ass-kickers definitely sound inspired by the softer stuff.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 13 October 2005 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

(Actually, Rockpile may well be the band PLAYING on those pre-1980 Lowe and Edmunds albums I like, so it's innacurate to say I never liked them much. I just never liked records released under the NAME Rockpile much. Nor Lowe and Edmunds records once they'd started releasing Rockpile albums.) (But, uh, WAIT, now that I think of it, didn't Edmunds actually have a mid/late '70s "solo" album *called* *Rockpile*? If so, um, never mind.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 13 October 2005 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, it's Billy Bremner, Terry Williams, Edmunds and Lowe on those great Lowe and, to my ears, somewhat less great Edmunds albums--I do still like "Repeat When Necesary" and "DE7th" OK. "Rockpile" is the one from around '72 that had Edmunds' hit version of Smiley Lewis' "I Hear You Knocking" and I think a Neil Young song too.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 13 October 2005 21:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, the first two Lowe LPs are the great ones (Pure Pop For Now People/Jesus of Cool and Labo{u}r of Lust); Edmunds's best one by far was Repeat When Necessary; his earlier ones were spottier, I think, though I remember liking Tracks On Wax 4 once upon a time. And which had "Trouble Boys" on it? Great song, around '77 or so I think. (Oddly, his two actual pop hits -- I Hear You Knocking and Sabre Dance -- have never done all that much for me. Though maybe Sabre Dance would if I could remember what it sounded like.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 13 October 2005 21:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Seconds Of Pleasure, remastered a few years ago is the only album officially credited to Rockpile. They were good on several albums credited to Lowe, Edmunds,and on certain tracks by Graham Parker and Carlene Carter, too (Haven't heard Billy B.'s solo album, Laughter Turns To Tears, but he was good with the Prentenders; played the solo on "Back In The Chain Gang," I think. Always seemed like the Prentenders, especially tracks like that, had some influence on Roseanne Cash back then, and maybe some of her Prentenders-influenced stuff influenced them, who knows: some kind of back-and-forth going on there, and she still has some of that sound,vocally, anyway.)Tracks On Wax 4 is pretty damn good! Terry Adams is the leader of NRBQ, of course; they've been around (with some personnel changes) since the late 60s, and seems like they prob influenced the Rockpile sound (and both groups about the same age range, had similar influences). Except Terry met and jammed with Sun Ra back in the 60s too, and Sun Ra gave him some songs, and NRBQ did those too, and he's worked with Carla Bley, coulda gone off into that sector of the jazz world if he'd wanted to, but chose to keep doing the sort-of rootsy record collector's club thing all these years, h'mm. (At Yankee Stadium's pretty fun.) Their guitarist Al Anderson's now a well-established writer of Nashiville hits; lotta times I'll think, "Who wrote *that*?" And turns out to be him--like Dennis Linde, doesn't have a stylistic trademark, except Al's are usually uptempo.The McQueen was discussed a fair amount at beginning of this thread. Guess I should listen again, but back then, it kept seeming about half good: some of it was rather stodgy, though I couldn't tell if the songs were dragging her down or vice versa. Some intriguing choice of covers though (not real familiar with Ducks Deluxe, etc.) And some performances were real good; like to hear more of her originals, actually (suspect that might be her forte, as a good-enough-singing writer of good songs, rather than as a *singer* who needs covers cos can't write so hot, which is more the usual case.)

don, Friday, 14 October 2005 15:42 (nineteen years ago) link

For completeness, we should also mention Dave Edmunds' LP "Get It," a good one which was maybe the first to feature the Rockpile gang. (I think it came out before Pure Pop.) Rockpile could be a little stodgy in the studio, but they kicked it live. Maybe one day some tapes will come out. There might be some confusion up there about Terry Anderson, whose name is an amalgam of Terry Adams and Al Anderson, but who doesn't have anything to do with NRBQ as far as I know, though he does sound a little like them, on the basis of some sound clips on the notlame site.

Sang Freud (jeff_s), Friday, 14 October 2005 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link

shit, I missed Michael Hurley last night, he played out in west Nashville, first date here in years.

never quite gotten into the NRBQ cult. Bonnie Raitt, did she not do "Me and the Boys"? I know lots of Q fanatics. saw them live once, struck me as really forced jollity and uneasy take on pop with those Terry Adams Monk/Sun Ra-isms just too all over the place for me. But I think Christgau was dead-on when he said "Tapdancin' Bats" is the one to get; never heard their stuff with Carl Perkins and Skeeter Davis--wasn't one of those guys *married* to her? I find that as interesting as the fact that Marty Stuart is married to Connie Smith, a real good-looking woman (not that Marty Stuart doesn't have some great hair). By all means, seek out the low-budget '67 film "Road to Nashville" with Marty Robbins, Connie Smith, Doodles Weaver and Johnny Cash--a dream cast.

thanks Don--got the Big K/Jon today, intact. I'm sure this is gonna help me.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 14 October 2005 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw NRBQ on a boat once! As part of the New York Blues Cruise series. They were fun, I guess, but hey, it was on a *boat*; how couldn't they be fun? I used to have a few mid/late '70s albums by them, most of which had a good song or two, not much more than that. "Me and the Boys" might have been their best one. But I've always had the idea people get off on the IDEA of them, more than the reality. And honestly, I never quite placed what exactly that idea IS (also kinda assume they've been spinning wheels for decades, resting on laurels they may well not ever have earned. But I could be wrong).

xhuxk, Friday, 14 October 2005 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link

damn when did this turn into the ROLLING PROTO-JAM RHYTHM AND BLUES 1975 THREAD

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 14 October 2005 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, whoever censored those Coe prison notes should be told to suck off.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 14 October 2005 18:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Sangfreud, bullseye on my soft spot (good Trio plug eh--kidding; even I remember it was "Sweet Spot"["Momma can't sleep at night!"]) Yes, Terry Adams/Al Anderson, but if Terry Anderson sounds like Rockpile, he must be influenced by his dual namesakes too, eh? I'm not that crazy about them, just a little description for whoever might wonder. Edd, I think xgau liked Yankee Stadium and possibly some others, but mainly he thought they should admit their age and go listen to to whatever's playing in the death camps (I'm paraphrasing, but only a little.)R&B's allovah the country Sourpuss. Now I'm writing about Hot Apple Pie and getting paid for it, so feeling much more kindly to them than I was in Mayxposts. Once again, they provide a good test of how many "reviewers" actually listened to the album, as opposed to reading about the video. yes, it's based on Snoop's, but no "Hillbillies" is not hip-hop, as the band claims on promo sheet. Verses are sung, or chanted, but more or less in tune(in CharlieDanielsBand-type intonation) to Waylonic "eat-shit, eat-shit" beat,and and chorus is "Heyy, Hill-Bill-ies" as in "Heyy, Bo Didd-ley", and "Easy Does It" combines Commodores, yes, with a bit of "Let's Get It On" and now I better shut up and go write the rest for money (Also writing about Billy Currington, who namechecks Vandross as well as current young-country favored John Mellentemplate: perfect to get his young-country groove on, although I was thinking Will Downing and Brian McKnight--Curlington gets boring when he slows down much, though, also like Luther, in my opinion)(and a lot of other people who can't carry a tune far enough to actually put it across and into jaded fucks like me, and/or have no such tune worth or capable of doing that with)(Luther being more in the former category, Billy in the latter, so far)

don, Saturday, 15 October 2005 02:07 (nineteen years ago) link

god DAMN I love this Gary Allan album

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 15 October 2005 02:32 (nineteen years ago) link

love is songs love is rain

bardo bardot, Saturday, 15 October 2005 05:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I think that Big & Rich are in something of a damned-if-you-do,-damned-if-you-don't dilemma: When they're like the last one, I'm saying, "Hey, this is old news," and when they're doing something different, I'm saying "Hey, this isn't what I like them for." So initial disappointment is almost written into the script. But my initial reaction is disappointment, not just because they're mixing the same funny signifiers into the same funny milkshake and it's not as fun this time, but because they didn't follow up on taking close two-part harmonies where close two-part harmonies had never been before, and piling (break)downs upon (break)downs, codas upon codas, and vamps upon vamps. (The stuff on the previous album that ran closest to a hip-hop sensibility, albeit not on purpose, wasn't the raps but the coda-dance-break(down) pileup.)

Altogether, they seem paler than last time, though I like a lot nonetheless.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 15 October 2005 12:42 (nineteen years ago) link

a pile of up sensitively swelling sentiment too, at least by the time they go out walking, meet a fella says he's Jesus, they tip their hats to his faith, if not theirs (theirs in his, kinda, and he's in*their* song, so he must be cool, they know), and then next night cruising again (or "walking the earth" like Jesus and like Pulp Fiction's Samuel L. Jackson says he's gonna do, like Kung Fu's Carradine), they meet another fella fixing to jump, so he can fly away and go meet Jesus, and instead of taking him to their bosoms--well, maybe they do that, but they don't try to talk him down, they say they met Jesus last night and he seemed alright. So, "gohead" and "rat on" seems to be the implication, and the pileup of grand purple opry sentiment. He and they got 99 problems but this ain't one;just splat on.

don, Saturday, 15 October 2005 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

The line about Canton/Manson actually goes, "We rolled [rode?] into Canton, scared the hell out of Marilyn Manson" which might have a Christian right-wing subtext to it, but is still pretty funny.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 16 October 2005 11:18 (nineteen years ago) link

This time, B&R never quite go for the sad sound of the previous alb's Tonto or Deadwood or Jesus or Holy Water songs, though a couple here have similarly sad and desperate lyrics: "Leap of Faith" where they sing "It might be a long long way 'til my golden day" (this may be the best song on the album, does whatever they did last time to make the harmonies shimmer, accompanied by hard nonshimmering backbeats and drum fills); and "Slow Motion," where the narrator gets hit fast out of nowhere and shatters slowly. Rock chords with fuzzed-out sustain.

Like last time, the hell-raisin' lyrics and the been-broken-down lyrics don't acknowledge one another, though maybe the line about Marilyn Manson occupies a border line, tries to claim that Big & Rich's own hell raisin' is hell scarin', too. They're trying to have it both ways, which I highly approve of as an aesthetic strategy, since it's what the Stones did throughout the '60s and Eminem did in 2000 - except that the Stones and Eminem get you, or at least me, to see the contradictions, while Big & Rich ignore the contradictions while still trying to cash in on their own supposed contrariness. Which may be why I don't care about Big & Rich to anything like the degree I once cared about the Stones and Eminem.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 16 October 2005 11:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Speaking of scary Christian right-wingers (at least I *think* that's where "Stubborn {Psalm 151}" places her), I'd really forgotten about Lee Ann Womack's album, since I only own it on vinyl and I got it early enough to wrap *last year's* Christmas presents with it on it in the background. Played it for the first time in many many moons yesterday, and it was way better than I'd remembered, though I'm not really sure why Frank thinks the title track is more "intense" than "I May Hate Myself." Its cheating words, I guess, but the latter has cheating words too, and also has that "Little Green Apples" string break, so I'll go with the latter. (0kay, the former is more obsessive compulsive about it's cheating, so maybe that's it.) Though I might like "Twenty Years and Two Husbands Ago", "When You Get To Me", and/or "Stubborn" just as much. At any rate, the CD belongs in my country top ten, and I'm increasingly thinking Dallas Wayne doesn't. He sings better and has more consistently interesting songs than Billy Don Burns or Randy Rogers or Hayes Carll ("Under the Overpass" and "I'm Your Biggest Fan" probably his best here; "Crank the Hank" probably his most rote, and even that ones's not bad honky tonk platitudinizing); I just wish like those other purists he'd get a real producer to add some music to his music. Little Big Town could slip out of my top ten instead I suppose, but I actually like the sound of their CD all the way through; seems original to me, somehow -- I love how they always manage to sound dark and bluesy without ever making that the point. (If their sound reminds me of anybody, it might be '70s Fleetwood Mac, but that's not quite right either. They're not nearly *that* good. But they still manage a liveliness that Nickel Creek only dream about.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 16 October 2005 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean, the Lee Ann *LP* belong in my country top ten. (It is not a CD! By the way, my copy has a song after "Stubborn" on side two that is unnamed on the sleeve or the album label. Does that one have a name on the CD version? Or is it a "hidden track" or something?)

xhuxk, Sunday, 16 October 2005 16:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Another question: Am I the only person who had no idea who Jessica White (mentioned in Big&Rich's new title track/single) was until I googled her? (I am so out of it when it comes to celebrities it's not funny.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 16 October 2005 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link

By the way, and no doubt inevitably, some of the songs I initially didn't like as much as other songs on the new B&R are growing on me, and some of the ones I initially liked more than other one are shrinking on me (a little), which adds up to: It's more playable-all-the-way-through than I at first thought, yay! Also, I am noting unison harmony parts and disco-esque synthy parts I hadn't noticed before! But y'all gotta figure out *where* yourownself; I didn't take notes.

Also: Okay, maybe "I May Hate Myself In the Morning" does not have explicit cheating words per se. But who says cheating sex is by definition more intense than sex with an ex (which might be more its ballywick)? (On the other hand, again, the title cut does have Lee Ann loving a little wild one and it brings her only sorrow yet she goes back Jack do it again wheels turing round and round. So I am not necessarily *arguing* with Frank, either.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 16 October 2005 17:09 (nineteen years ago) link

And er, now I am already feeling bad for criticizing the Dallas Wayne album. Honestly, for the first nine tracks or so, it's about perfect for the neo-trad nostalgia thing it is. "3:30 in the Afternoon" is as good as the other two tracks I mentioned above. "It's All Over, All Over Town" is a cheating song (and a gossip song a la "Rumors" by Timex Social Club too), and "I'm Your Biggest Fan" is as intense in its way as anything on Lee Ann's album, though the stalker letter theme probably puts it closer to Eminem's "Stan." "Junior Samples" might the best Western Swing update of Bob Wills's "Roly Poly (Daddy's Little Fatty)" ever written. "Downhill Slide" seems to take guitar parts from Randy Newman's "Mama Told Me Not To Come." And overall there is more music in the music than I just gave it credit for. So who knows what I'll do; maybe I'll boot Brooks & Dunn out of my top ten instead. Time will tell.

xhuxk, Sunday, 16 October 2005 17:40 (nineteen years ago) link

(Also, both DW's sense of humor and his voice sometimes remind me of John Anderson, which is never a bad thing in my book.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 16 October 2005 17:41 (nineteen years ago) link

So yeah, OCD contest:

Lee Ann Womack "There's More Where That Came From" vs. Brooks & Dunn "One More Roll of the Dice"

xhuxk, Sunday, 16 October 2005 18:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I think they're talking about Jessico White there in Charleston WV--he's a cloggin' dancer from around there whose video, called something like "Mountain Outlaw," I think, was a big hipster fave a few years back, seems like I saw it first maybe ten years ago. He dances in a trailer there in WV with a wife with whom he has a fraught relationship, I believe there might have been a weight issue as Jessico is skinny and his wife is not, is the way I think it worked. is obsessed with Elvis, etc. I'm pretty sure that's who they mean. That video, every party I went to for a year, someone had it and tried to make me watch it again. But it is pretty funny. Big & Rich mention WV at least twice on their record--trying to get it to go back Democrat maybe?

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 16 October 2005 23:03 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, when I saw the video the other day on CMT I just figured he said Jesco White.

that Dallas Wayne CD is terrific though, just listened to it (and him) for the first time today - wish there were more country singers around who were still that lyrically clever (well, Toby Keith is, but I don't know many others)

Josh Love (screamapillar), Monday, 17 October 2005 01:28 (nineteen years ago) link

ps - i only learned about jesco white a few years ago b/c Trailer Bride did a song about him

Josh Love (screamapillar), Monday, 17 October 2005 01:29 (nineteen years ago) link

xpostxhuxk, they sent me CD as well as the vinyl, so I can pass the former on to you, if you want.

don, Monday, 17 October 2005 05:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Nah, that's ok; I generally don't believe in redundafying formats, Don. Not enough room! I owned the CD once, and sent it to Frank or somebody, anyway. And I *like* the vinyl; I wasn't complaining!

I am, however, so out of it when it comes to celebrity clog-dancers it's not funny. Never heard of Jesco White before, not even once!

George is right about the new Sheryl Crow album. I was worried (from reading *Billboard* notices I think) it was going to be too "intropective" (read: quiet and boring), but it's really not, at all. "Good is Good," George's favorite track and probably mine too, sounds kind of like "The Night The Lights Went Out in Georgia." And there's a cut near the end that I was sure sounded like "Someone Saves My Life Tonight," and then Sheryl started telling me how "butterflies are free to fly," so I guess she agrees! Still bummed she was never in any of my classes back at Mizzou, though.

Listened to the new Anthony Hamilton single "Can't Let Go" three times, and it left no impression at all. Well, it's "tasteful," I guess; ho hum. I wonder if Matt likes it. Doubt he'd consider it country, though. (I sure don't.)

xhuxk, Monday, 17 October 2005 12:20 (nineteen years ago) link

["introSpective," duh]

xhuxk, Monday, 17 October 2005 12:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey wait, so is Frank saying he thinks Big & Rich are right-wingers and Edd is saying he thinks they are Democrats, or am I mis-reading one or both? (I'm still on the fence about their politics, myself. I mean, I *think* "Filthy Rich" is an anti-social-security-dismantling protest song, but I can also see how it could be heard as anti-taxation by listeners more inclined to that line of thinking. Though maybe that's the point, in which case it's either cleverer or more chicken than I thought, you vote.)

By the way, the most difficult part of my Nasvhille Scene ballot is going to be where the ask me to vote for "best country songwriters," which I'm not real good at determining, since I tend not to read CD booklets as often as I should (or at least I tend to skip the names in parentheses). So anybody who wants to go back and tally up the songwriters for every song and and album I say I like on this thread and compute from there who I should vote for is more than welcome.

xhuxk, Monday, 17 October 2005 13:21 (nineteen years ago) link

have not heard said track Chuck, but do not be fooled by apparent veneer of rhythm and blues in AH's music, as I'm thinking you were on the first record; that's a country singer or my name's not Al Green

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:16 (nineteen years ago) link

although I'll be the first one to complain if the new album sucks and/or is boringer than Comin' From Where I'm From...on reflection, Soulife (an earlier "lost" album tarted up after the fact) isn't as good because of the loss of countrified feel, too many guest appearances can do that to you

I think that the Alicia Keys / Adam Levine duet of "Wild Horses" from her new Unplugged album can be discussed here. With one chord change at the end of the chorus, they keep bouncing it back toward soul music, but it's still country yo

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Country songwriters: Did John Rich write nearly every country song this year or is it my imagination? I know he had a hand in "Hicktown" and "Podunk" and of course a whole lot on Cowboy Troy and did I read somewhere's in the thread that he wrote or co-wrote Faithless Hills "Mississippi Girl" and of course Gretchen Wilson. Oh to live off the interest of his royalty checks...

werner t., Monday, 17 October 2005 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link

By the way, here is a review I wrote in *Radio On* ten years ago (which I just came across, and which seems a little bit relevant now):

"Bobbie Ann Mason," Rick Trevino - Is the girl this baby-faced, oversized-hatted, Tejano-moonlighting country hunk remembers from high school the same Bobbie Ann Mason who wrote *In Country* and *Love Life Stories*? Beats me, but this is like Saywer Brown's "Some Girls Do" and Alabama's "Cheap Seats"--a good 1982-style John Cougar song that might actually rock me if it was played on John Cougar instruments instead of country instruments. (7.5)

In another issue three years earlier (1992), country songs I gave scores 7.0 and higher (out of 10) to: Lorrie Morgan Something in Red 9.0, Lorrie Morgan Faithfully 9.0, Lorrie Morgan's haircut 10.0, Tinnita's haircut 9.5, Tinnita song I didn't know the name of 7.5, Neal McCoy Where Forever Begins 7.0 (I compared him to the cowboy from the Village People! And honestly, I've been confusing him with Cowboy Troy lately! I also reviewed him up against dance act Real McCoy for Eye Weekly once!), Sawyer Brown Some Girls Do 8.0, Billy Ray Cyrus Achy Breaky Heart 8.5, John Anderson When It Comes To You 7.5, Hal Ketchum Past the Point of Rescue 7.5, Mary Chapin Carpenter Down at the Twist and Shout 7.0, Travis Tritt Lord Have Mercy on the Working Man 7.5, Little Texas You and Forever Me 7.0.

Lowest scores I gave to country songs that issue: Rodney Crowell Lovin' All Night 0.0 (but I said his ex-wife had a 7.5 hairdo once), Sammy Kershaw Cadillac Style 1.5, Travis Tritt and Marty Stuart This One's Gonna Hurt You 1.0, Billy Joel All Shook Up 0.5, ZZ Top Viva Las Vegas 2.5, Patti Loveless Jealous Bone 2.0, Lyle Lovett She's Already Made Up Her Mind 0.0, Lyle Lovett's haircut 0.5.

xhuxk, Monday, 17 October 2005 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Bobbie Ann Mason wrote later in The New Yorker about how much she liked driving around in Kentucky, while hearing her namesake song on the radio. Don't think she mentioned buying it--that might have spoiled the kick of just having it pop up among the hits! She eventually tracked down the songwriter, who said he liked her cute name and the way it scanned; didn't care about her own writing one way or t'other. (Think he *might* not've read her, though def. came across that he didn't give a shit.) But she seemed to enjoy that part too.

don, Monday, 17 October 2005 17:40 (nineteen years ago) link

(Edd, got it, thanks!) Damn, George, that Luke Stricklin in the Voice is one of yr best I've ever seen, looking at him from diff angles, incl compassion, or sympathy, and some qualified admiration,but seeing what's lacking too, like (mainly) any acknowledgement or even sense of American accountability, that he's ready to admit to, anyway. If Frank's saying that B&R's goodtime tracks lack any acknowlegement of the all the lonely people in the big ballads, I don't think that's necessarily the case, not on the first album, which is the only one I've heard. (Also not true on BK's solo or Jon Nicholson's).Bigus Richus ballads are big shiny festival halls and vomitoria of self-and-other-pity, everybody (incl them, cos they used to be poor, or poorer) dive right in!

don, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 02:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Interesting facts from the new issue of *CMA Closeup*!:

1. There is a guy named Craig Sellers who says he covers Jerry Reed's "Amos Moses" almost every show he does. I never heard of him.

2. There is a band called the Povertyneck Hillbillies operating out of Pittsburgh. They play 205 shows are year, and apparently have a following on the East Coast. Great name! But I never heard of them.

3. Shooter Jennings wishes he wrote "Stranger in a Strange Land" by Leon Russell, who I have never paid any attention to at all, though I've always kind of loved "Tight Rope."

xhuxk, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link

1. So? Is he the only guy you never heard of? Why mention him?
2. Obviously you need to get yore ass over to Pitt next weekend or whichever back down PA way
3. Leon was a studio/A&R hack/suit for many years, but/so Mad Dogs & Englishmen always seemed like a particularly annoying contribution to the Lost Vegans attempt to glitz up post-Woodstock rock and take it on the road, per Bill Graham's specifications. However, he did some okay contemporary down-home stuff, like with Marc Benno on Asylum Choir II (never heard I), "Down On The Base," about high-tech rednecks working and buying (and dealing, or so seemed to be implying) on base, which is a real good Southern subject, never otherwise touched on, that I can think of (Rhino or somebody should do a comp of Country etc. songs about military, but prob scant pickins, though Tom T. Hall and John Prine wrote about being stationed in Germany, for isnt) Also did some okay stuff back then with Willie Nelson,helped Willie get better known to rock audience; and a couple tracks produced/played on for Dylan, like "Watch The River Flow" ; and an album of his own, involving Rolling Stones covers in a bluegrass setting (think was an early incarnation of New Grass Revival, prb not the same lineup that bored yo, xxhuxx). But his Hank Wilson album of Hank Williams etc. chesnuts sounded like he was chewing his beard while "singing", and he did a lot of shit like "Hummimgbird", but still, good ideas sometimes(Did kinda like another Top 40 hit, "Lady Blue.")

don, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 15:59 (nineteen years ago) link

> So? Why mention him?<

He covers "Amos Moses" almost every frigging show, Don! Duh!!! (i.e., any friend of Jerry Reed might be a friend of mine! Unless he isn't.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Nothing particularly country on the new David Banner, but quite a lot that is somewhat metal, and one track (the final track) that has a grunge-metal band on it (Grout is their name, I think, unless that's just their singer's name).

Chuck, don't give up on the Banner album; the best two songs are the final two.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link

And speaking of noncountry singers whom we can talk about on this thread because Chuck talked here about someone whom she reminds me of, "Life After You" on the Brie Larson album is better than anything on the Hope Partlow - it starts with great sexy electro-disco oohs and ahs, similar to Pauline Rubio, then shifts effortlessly into a just-as-danceable Ashlee-Avril-Kelly-Marion I'm-over-you/I-will-flourish/I-will-survive brat-voiced bubblerock monster. The track is produced by the great Ric Wake, the man who helped invent Taylor Dayne and is usually the fellow working the dials on Celine Dion's best moments. The disco on the Brie Larson tends to fade after the second track, unfortunately, and the melodies plummet from "great" to "not bad, though there's another pretty good Ric Wake production (and a couple not so good) and a funny smart song about Brie's not getting along with her gym teacher (guess she doesn't want the gym teacher's perfume on her pillowcase, though she would like a C so she doesn't have to take the damn class anymore). Generally smart lyrics, mostly Brie-written. Promising. Exec. producer Tommy Mottola.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link

speaking of Jerry Reed, I just read this interview with him in "Take Country Back" magazine. I've always loved him.
His wife is "Ms. Priss." "We've been together for 46 years. I wouldn't have put up with me for 15 minutes." He met her in a park during a show they both played. "They shared some fried chicken with me and I thought she had pretty buns." A couple of years ago, reports went out he was dead. He says he's "just like McCartney, now I'm in the same class *he* is!" And he mainly enjoys fishing and golf these days, so it sounds like he's having a good time.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 20:58 (nineteen years ago) link

And he wrote - or at least first recorded - "Big Boss Man," a song that's gotten big ups on this thread (though I've never heard his version).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 21:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Chuck, my reasons for preferring "There's More Where That Came From" to "I May Hate Myself in the Morning" have more to do with music than words. "There's More" has a quiet, stately feel of going under, while the "Hate Myself" quietness is just sort of quiet. I suppose it's intense in its own quiet way, but not as intense as "There's More."

My second favorite song is the two's-a-crowd one, though it's not as intense as the Stones' two's-a-crowd song. And her "The Last Time" isn't nearly as intense as the Stones'.

As the album goes on, it does kind of blah out a bit: I describe the problem as songs "resolving" too easily, though I don't really know if that's it, or even quite what I mean: something like a chord change too soon, or background instruments entering too soon, or their leaving too soon, or returning to sonic, or her voice cracking when it should have stayed steady, or returning to steadiness when it should have cracked more. So tension is declared to early and released too quickly, or something. (I have the same problem with some of the Miranda Lambert album, actually, though less of it, and her whipcrack voice tends to overcome the tensionless arrangements anyway.)

I heard the Lee Ann Womack back at the same time as the Mary Gauthier, and I had the idea that the two singers should - as an experiment - simply trade albums, arrangements and all. This is because Gauthier has the opposite problem: she goes for so much tension - voice and life teetering on the edge, always, her voice cracking so much that it's just one shattered mess - that all the tension piled upon tension is ultimately tensionless. It's as if she heard the second Velvets album and felt the results but didn't sit down and figure out how the Velvets got those results. So my idea is that Womack could pull the Gauthier material back from ridiculousness and formlessness, whereas Gauthier's pain-wracked weariness could work well when reined-in by the overformed Womack songs. The one track I really like on the Gauthier is the most conventionally formulaic one: "I Drink." Her version is better than Blake Shelton's.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, Frank, I will check out the Brie Larsen (which, last time I checked it out, I basically only liked the CD cover and the title of the gym class song, but maybe I wasn't giving it full attention) and the last two tracks on Banner (though, uh, "grunge-rap" may well not necessarily be my idea of a good time.)

According to *Billboard*, the new Brooks & Dunn single is "Believe," a/k/a the "argument from design" one I mentioned somewhere above, which would appear to mean the first two singles off their new album are officially the two shittiest tracks on the record. Assholes. I wonder how much the new one will get played in Dover, PA, if there is indeed a country station there. (And I guess I can dock them Nashville Scene top ten points because of this, right? Fine with me -- the new Gary Allan is sounding better every day.)

xp

xhuxk, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost

"returning to sonic" should be "returning to tonic"

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

And the title song on Kerosene is a good example of a song that gets the tension-and-release thing just right.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I still haven't gotten back to Little Big Town; so far I'd call them Skynyrd-Allman southern rockers who make the inexplicably self-defeating decision to use a slew of acoustic instruments. Even so, being Skynyrd-Allman band is good, despite the acoustics, and they don't do a bad job. I wish the vocals pushed harder. The singers sing as if they're in an acoustic band, when they should be singing like midnight riders. The slide riffs lash at you, though unamplified.

I recall the lyrics being too lazy and stupid and full of fake self-esteem. "Boondocks" is, anyway. The melodies are consistently good. So's the overall vibe, really. A stronger album than my description conveys. They've got the stuff, they just don't know how to kick it home.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha ha, I think I kind of like that they don't kick it home, that they make soft rock that rocks. This year plenty of Southern rockers kicked their boogie; I'm not tired of them by any means, but I like the idea of a band who can churn without kicking. And the words I've heard (some of which I have no idea what they're talking about) don't bother me; I like the ones where the words seem mysterious, too; there's not enough of that country. It's a cliche in indie or hip-hop, but not here. I also love the one about their fucked-up family.

My favorite Lee Ann Womack ones are the ones where I can hear r&b in the rhythm, I think. The title track, I hear mostly orchestrations, and I like them and the sentiments fine, but that doesn't make it intense for me. And "Two's A Kind" is good, but not one of my faves.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link

And I look forward to listening for Fleetwood Mac similarities, Fleetwood Mac being absolute masters of the tension-release thing; I felt that Rumours was something of a companion to Coney Island Baby, both of which I thought of not as soft rock but as quiet hard rock (or not even so quiet on "Go Your Own Way," "The Chain," and "Gold Dust Woman").

X-post, but appropriate.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 22:12 (nineteen years ago) link

By the way, over on ILE I asked the question: Why are there no women posting on this thread? It's not as if no women like country. But then, ILX women aren't just any women.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

"One's a Couple" not "Two's a Kind" I mean. And not enough mysterious songwriting IN country (I mean) (and yeah, sometimes I still like the speaking in code/speaking in tongues crapola in indie or hip-hop too, despite it being a pathetic cliche in both cases) (so does this mean when I decipher little big town's words I'll like them *less*? we'll see.) (and yeah, probably some ALT-country words are mysterious; more energy might help).

xxpp

xhuxk, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 22:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I've often wondered "Why aren't more Franks posting on this thread," myself. (But yeah, women, too. Though in the *Voice*, off the top of my head, I bet way more women write about metal or hip-hop or indie or r&b than country. I'm not really sure why that is, especially given that so much country music these days seems to *aimed* at women.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 22:22 (nineteen years ago) link

(On the other hand, Kandia Crazy Horse and Carol Cooper and others have, now that I think of it.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 22:28 (nineteen years ago) link

(thanxx again for the live Jerry Reed, xxhuxx--just saw the doc about the Highwaymen making what turned out to be their last album, in '94; might be good to see Jerry do a supergroup--who should be in it? I vote speedy Willie, and professional weirdo Coe, speaking of mysterious lyrics, but who else, or who instead? Doesn't have to be all geezers, like the Highwaymen.)There's More's retro aspect can sink those songs into mereness, when I've seen her perform TV subsets of 'em, and suspect I might have same prob if went back to album now, at least along the lines Frank mentions. Allmans and Skyn did good acoustic tracks, and if Little Bics can emulate that, rat on. Really aren't too many women on ILM anymore, are there? Not like they hold forth on ILE. I miss 'em. Maybe they've got their own music board, on the beautiful isle of Somewhere. Think I'll go look around.

don, Wednesday, 19 October 2005 00:59 (nineteen years ago) link

We seem to be getting 33.3% of the ILX Franks on here, unless frankE and john'n'chicago are one and the same, in which case we're up to 66.7%. But there is a problem in general with Franks being unwilling to post on ILX, due I suspect to the lack of Gauls and Goths to keep them company. Maybe ILX's love for Big & Rich scares the Goth out of everybody.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 13:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm disappointed in myself for my utter lack of give-a-shit about Gretchen Wilson and Big and Rich this year. I've turned into one of those people, haven't I? DAMN.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 13:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Fellows, mein kurrent favorite kountry lieder ist Tamifille Wynknownott's "If You've Got De Gaul, I've Got Der Bladder". Rydum Cowfrau!

Red Lorre Yellow Lorre, Wednesday, 19 October 2005 13:58 (nineteen years ago) link

There seems to be an orchestrated troll attack on ILX. Worse, it's an UNFUNNY troll attack.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 14:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I prefer disorganized trolls myself.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 14:54 (nineteen years ago) link

>"Life After You" on the Brie Larson album is better than anything on the Hope Partlow - it starts with great sexy electro-disco oohs and ahs, similar to Pauline Rubio, then shifts effortlessly into a just-as-danceable Ashlee-Avril-Kelly-Marion I'm-over-you/I-will-flourish/I-will-survive brat-voiced bubblerock monster.<

Actually, it eventually sounds kind of "Smells Like Teen Spirit"! But I like Hope's "Crazy Summer Nights," which sounds kind of like "Jack and Diane," about a hundred times as much. Brie sounds good, though.

David Banner, "X-Ed": He don't care about nobody else except for his self, his beautiful selfish. He's been X-ed out of the hood and you wonder why he's up to no good? He's depraved because he's deprived, Officer Krupke! (So does that explanation mean he *was* up to good *before* he was X-ed?) I like when he talks out the side of his mouth in the middle. I also like when the guitar wash comes in at the end.

David Banner, "Crossroads": I'd call the grunge guy a Staind style guy, cutting his wrist in shame. Nice guitar barrage. This is where the young people are born and the old people die and we're just tryin to get by. And then it turns into some old Offspring song at the end.

Cool -- but if I make it through the 15 songs before those two before Christmas, I'll be surprised. I'm disappointed in myself for my utter lack of give-a-shit about David Banner and the Ying Yang Twins this year. I've turned into one of those people, haven't I? DAMN.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 19 October 2005 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost yeah why would organized trolls be better? anyway, should always be ignored.

don, Wednesday, 19 October 2005 20:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Why are there no women posting on this thread? It's not as if no women like country. But then, ILX women aren't just any women.

if the survey i've been running is any indication (which it may not be), i'll preview the results here by saying ILM is overwhelmingly male. like, more than 9 to 1.

unless frankE and john'n'chicago are one and the same

we are! i hid behind an early ilm identity. it's settled now.

my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Btw, there's a sadness in the sound of those Banner songs, too. Or at least in certain parts of them; almost feels blues at one point. Banner's good at that. But he's done way better.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 19 October 2005 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

And of course "Crossroads" has blues in its title too, duh. And since it's Banner (unlike Bone Thugs and Harmony, who as I recall scored big with that title last decade), you know the Crossroads is in Mississippi, which I suppose means the Delta but maybe not.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 19 October 2005 22:07 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost saw a vid of the Highwaymen: good, but was a little distracted by the way all that idiosyncratic phrasing was 'companied by '94 synchronized drumkit, working on another episode of This Ol' Voice. I avoided the martystuart.com xpost warned about, checked his official site martystuart.net; noticed he's on this Country Comedy special (CMT, Fri, 7/8 CST/EST) Oh yeah, and **Bigfried & Rich Live In Deadwood**(CMT Sat 9/10 CST/EST I think, but saw that commercial sev. days ago, so check local listings--Marty's not on that, I just happened to remember it now)Happy Trails, as my vet sez

don, Wednesday, 19 October 2005 23:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Awright, Edd's got three in the 10/20 Nashville Scene: Konono No.1, Silver Jews, and James Carter's album of Pavement songs!Well done they are!

don, Thursday, 20 October 2005 03:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the "Finally Out of P.E." song on Brie Larsen's album more than the "Life After You" song; the former's just way more distinctive. There's something really generic about the former that I can't put my finger on (just like there's something really generic about Kelly Clarkson's "Since U Been Gone", which I like a lot but don't love, that I can't put my finger on; nothing generic to me about Ashlee's "La La" or Hope's "Crazy Summer Nights" at all). I mean, in "Life After You," I *guess* I hear the Rubio ooh-ahh beats Frank's talking about, *when I listen really really really close for them,* but even then they seem incidental; they're not nearly as in bubbliciously in-your-face and effervescent as they'd be in a great Rubio track. Honestly, I don't really even buy the comparison. Sounds more like pretty run-of-the-mill Hillary Duff gurgling to me. Which, again, is fine; I *like* Hillary Duff. And I like this song, but I think I like any number of other Brie songs just as much. (Right now it sounds to me like the album really picks up in the middle -- "Done With Like" which I keep hearing as "Done With Life," "She Shall Remain Nameless" which seems to have some really good high school cultural map specifics in it, "She Said," etc. That could change, though. Either way, a really good album. Better than any album Hillary or the Bratz have made. But not Partlow, I don't think. Yet.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I meant "something really generic about the LATTER (i.e, "Life After You") that I can't put my finger on." "Finally Got Out of P.E.," in its own way, is unprecedented, just like "Crazy Summer Nights" in its own way is unprecendented. "Life After You," as the laundry list of teen I-will-survivers Frank likened it to suggests, is anything but. (But of course the thing about generic music is that it's great if you love the genre. I get the idea Frank has more use for that genre than I do. I also think John Cougar was better than Taylor Dayne!)

xhuxk, Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link

By the way (not sure when this turned into the rolling post-teen-pop thread, but what the hell), I am i am playing the new Ashlee Simpson CD now and it is GREAT. First song and single, "Boyfriend," is now officially my favorite Franz Ferdinand song ever. No kidding, that's who its music sounds like, except with a really good singer for a change. Other parts, I'm thinking Stevie Nicks and Courtney Love a LOT, but also, like, "Broken English" by Marianne Faithful, or, well, what was that sleazy Deborah Allen rock-disco song in the '80s? Wow.

xhuxk, Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Her music does rocks the disco like Stevie's '80s solo stuff never did, I think, but like I always *wanted* it to. And she has more dance in her music than Courtney ever did, obviously. I am blown away.

xhuxk, Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean, shit - Kim Carnes, Bonnie Tyler...I'm 95 percent sure that none of them ever made an album anywhere NEAR this good. I don't want to jinx it or anything, but this could end up being my album of the year. Just about every track ROCKS, and the ballads really seem to kick, too. (Weird, I saw Ashlee on SNL a couple weeks ago and that mature pseudo-classy whine weep tune she did bored me to tears; I did not have high hopes for this album at all.) (And by the way, Deborah Allen's biggest hits were COUNTRY hits, and Trick Pony covered "It's a Heartache" this year, so Ashlee can count as country if you want.)

Deborah Allen still looks pretty sleazy by the way:

http://www.deborahallen.com/

xhuxk, Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

then it turns into some old Offspring song at the end.

Well, not that the Offspring are even remotely related to country (well, they are remotely related, I guess, in that r&b is a distant ancestor to their grinch-spazz guitars, and r&b is a recent ancestor to lots of c/w plucking and pickin'; and Offspring pretend to have low self-esteem, country guys and gals have low self-esteem and pretend that they don't), but old Offspring is really good Offspring; on the greatest hits alb, first six tracks are great and the last seven are just like the first six except not great, and in the middle is "Pretty Fly For a White Guy," which is just silly (and not bad).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Hardest rocking Ashlee track MIGHT be "Coming Back For More," or might not. But the only one that turns into Led Zeppelin's "Trampled Under Foot" at the end, as far as I can tell so far, is "L.O.V.E."

xp

xhuxk, Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Just to let you know, I read this thread all the time (and I'm female). You make excellent suggestions and I have picked up many albums you have discussed - you give me things to look up on itunes and check out.

ana78ng (ana78ng), Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, "Catch Me When I Fall" reminds me "Cold Chills" by Kix, for some reason (the melody and open spaces and cold chilliness of it, probably). And "Burnin Up" reminds me of "Burning Up" by Madonna (the new wave evolved into rock-disco burning-uppishness of it, probably.) And the title track "I Am Me", while definitely not the hardest rocking track, is probably the most blatantly Courtney-grungey one.

xp

Yay, ladies read this thread! Great to hear it, Ana78ng!

xhuxk, Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Btw, Hope Partlow is a tremendously gifted singer who makes everything sound easy and natural rather than capital-S "Spectacular," while actually what she does with her voice is rather spectacular, if only she'd make a spectacle of herself - which maybe she should, this being art and not life. I'm sure she'd be a good country singer if that's what she were to choose. In fact, she'd probably be a good anything singer, even death metal. As a stylist she's got a lot more sense and smarts than either Faith Hill or Celine Dion has (Celine's somewhat rooted in countrypolitan when she isn't being rooted in disco). Definitely in the pop-country range if she wants to be (where the Faith and the LeAnn play, and Cougar-style rockers worm their way midstream these days, and the skies are not cloudy all day except whenever LeAnn cries rivers).

I haven't played the Partlow enough for it to really sink in. The things is, what Partlow would choose if she could, it seems, is to be Lisa Stansfield: stylized mastery and control and all that, with maybe an extra freshness in her smooth glides, and certainly more boom from the kick drums and more kick from the snare drums (I prefer Mellancamp riffs to Norman Cook beats, when it comes to backing one's stylishness); but veering Adult Contemporary nonetheless, which will be her destination unless the bucks lead her elsewhere. That could be a drawback, though not necessarily (AC is hardly devoid of passion and rock these days); but so far my other problem with the Partlow album is my failure to love any of the songs. This could change with more listenings; a stylist who makes things easy often sneaks her passion in on you. I certainly appreciate the girl, but I'm not aching for her yet.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link

By the way, what I really meant to say about Ashlee's ballads isn't so much that they "kick" (which is not to say that they don't), but that there's generally a really visceral lushness and throb to them; they aren't just shrinking violets wilting behind the rock woodwork.

Ana78ng, I'm actually curious what music specifically you've decided to seek out after hearing about it on this thread, and whether you liked it or didn't, or what else you might have thought about it. So if you ever feel like telling us, definitely feel free!

xhuxk, Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, Ana78ng. We're eager to mercilessly ridicule any opinion we disagree with hear more voices and gain new insights.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link

good catch, frank!

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 20 October 2005 17:05 (nineteen years ago) link

more fun hope'n'ashlee facts!

1. hope does a song where she makes out with your boyfriend and pretends to feel sorry about it; ashlee does one where you accuse her of making out with your boyfriend, and she pretends she didn't and gets pissed off. (except i don't really know if either is pretending.)

2. ashlee opens her CD with a song that sounds like franz ferdinand; hope opens hers with a cool blues riff, just like frank says franz f. open theirs with, though i didn't personally notice it yet. (i think he compared it to a '60s garage punk doing "smokestack lightning.")

3. hope's "don't go" is a red light green light song (see also: ashlee kix reference), though not for the reason its title suggests.

4. ashlee does a song called "boyfriend"; hope does a song called "girlfriend." "girlfriend" is probably 2005's best abba song.

xhuxk, Thursday, 20 October 2005 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I've now completed listen #1 of Little Big Town. I guess I'm a dullard in wanting them to kick their boogie like Shooter and Headhunters and Jeremiahs and Tritt and Mont'y-Gentry (and Allmans and Bo and Stones and Nazareth and whomever). I didn't yet hone in on the words enough to hear if there was any mystery, though most lines that did break into my consciousness were predictable fare like "It's where I learned about Jesus" or "Daddy's got a shotgun" or "How can I bear to wake up and you're not there" or "On a lost highway I don't know how I got where I am" (which is not surprising) or "Aimlessly I wander like a drifter on a winding road" (which is even less surprising but more gagworthy). I do recall one of the women asking "Hey, what's the deal with your Jeckyll and Hyde?" a question I'll look into. Seemed to me that "You got bones in your closet and ghosts in your town" claims a mystery without conveying what's so special about this particular skeletal matter. But further research may reveal more. Also, I note that if, as they claim in "The Boondocks," they know where they stand, then how come they're wandering around lost on the lonely highway? And if you have to declare "I feel no shame/I'm proud of where I came," then you're probably lying. (This insecurity and dishonesty is genre-wide, however, and if stuff like this is going to put me off too much, then I might as well not show up.)

What Little Big Town have is consistently good melodies and riffs. (Well, one truly terrible declaration of love and faithfulness that was too blah to even luxuriate in its own sap.) How many CDs have good tracks almost start to finish? The performers don't do a great job delivering their material, but the material delivers itself enough of the time. I didn't really hear Fleetwood Mac - maybe a bit in the multi-female harmonies. One track has a Lovin' Spoonful "Darling-be-home-soon" bliss-laden pang to it.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 20 October 2005 17:30 (nineteen years ago) link

The Deborah Allen disco hit was... don't remember the title, actually (I'm too lazy to dig out my old Swellsvilles and find out), but it's the one with the lyric that Leslie deliberately misheard as "I know you like the back of my hand," in order to project some s&m content onto Deborah's burnt-voiced passion.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 20 October 2005 17:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Yikes, the Abba song "Girlfriend" sounds like is "Does Your Mother Know," which could have been written by Vladimir Nabokov. Creepy! But it was also Abba's hardest rock song. Maybe this is an answer record?

Dullest track on Hope's album: Probably "Through It All."

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xhuxk, Thursday, 20 October 2005 17:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Things I have picked up recently that would fall into this genre:
Deanna Carter - The Story of my Life: Didn't sound very interesting to me at first, but it certainly has grown on me. I was a big fan of "Did I shave my legs for this" but skipped the next release.

Little Big Town - The Road to Here - I actually love the songs on this record - and Boondocks is not my favorite(but I like that song too). Enjoy Mean Streak/Welcome to the Family/A little more you. Reminds me of Sugarland, but with the songs a little more developed and interesting. I like Sugarland, as well. I saw them open for Vince Gill.

Miranda Lambert - Kerosene - I enjoy Kerosene/me and charlie talking/new strings and the rest of the album is a good listen, but not my favorite.

Shelby Lynne - Identity Crisis - picked it up for "Gotta be better" - haven't listened to it enough.

Shelly Fairchild - Ride - This one I like as much as Little Big Town.

The Duhks - The Duhks - Different and that's why I picked it up. Have't listened to it enough.


Kathleen Ferrara (ana78ng), Thursday, 20 October 2005 17:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I really like Miranda and Shelly too (I agree with xpost those observing Miranda's singing isn't quite up to her writing, but think her overall sense of performance [incl. arrangements] will catch up on her next album, now that she's been out on the road so much, incl,with Merle; boy there's a duo I'd like to hear, although she may just be the supporting act, but if they wrote together, could get verry inneresting, especially any social commentary, a song about a female soldier, say?) The Little Big video looks and especially sounds more ridiculous every time I see it on CMT, but maybe the album would completely change my mind. Yeah, I need to listen to the Duhks some more too. If you want something different, a little like the Duhks, but better sung and written, I think (and played just as well as the Duhks play), you might try the new Nickel Creek, and especially the new Freakwater. (And Freakwater's strongest single singer-songwriter, Catherine Irwin, has a really amazing solo album, Cut Yourself A Switch. None of these albums are at all mainstream pop country, although Nickel Creek sells well, and some tracks on all of these albums have something to do with artpop. On the folkie side, though. I guess you might hear any of it at Starbucks.)

don, Thursday, 20 October 2005 19:12 (nineteen years ago) link

(zo, xhuxx, the Nigthtingales, captioned "'Country like the Mekons," and they got a fiddle, you say, and an attitude, I take it? What else? Since I'm not too swooft with this newfangled download thang)(getting mainstreamed out now, esp with this dragass release schedule, so that if I say anything about Womack's album, for inst, it's gonna be pretty much of a rehash of what i said about the title track last year, which Himes published, so I'm starting to begrudge her the pixels of the list, much less the comments)

don, Friday, 21 October 2005 13:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, that Nightingales LP actually first came out in the mid/ late '80s, in the wake of Fear and Whiskey/The Edge of the World, and Nightingales were another Brit post-Gang-of-Fourish/Fall-ish art-punk/fake-funk band incorporating fiddles and other Brit-folk sounds the way the Mekons did. (I reviewed *In the Old Country Way* at the time for the Boston Phoenix; called it a cross between *Pink Flag* and *Music From Big Pink*, not probably fully accurate but still kinda clever if you ask me.)

xhuxk, Friday, 21 October 2005 13:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Hard to say what Big & Rich's politics are, since they're set on letting us all skip-to-my-lou along with them in their freak parade and don't seem concerned if some of us might be killing fetuses during our nonparade hours or others of us may think that freaks and outcasts might make a fun-provokingly vulnerable victim to batter and bash. Even if warfare is acknowledged (though never engaged in) in their songs, oppression isn't. I don't know how long B&R can roll us all along with them on their march, but the funky feel good songs on this one are at least as funky as the funky feelers on the last, and there are more of them. So despite my relative disappointment, I don't think they've lost their touch or anything. The difference might be me: Maybe I wanted more of a battle this time. Last alb I hadn't even heard them ('cept for "Wild West Show") so didn't know yet what I wanted.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 21 October 2005 20:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Miranda's singing is ahead of her writing; it just can't always counteract for the tendency of some of her songs to ease out too easily.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 21 October 2005 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link

! What about "Holy Water," dedicated to battered wives (at the beginning of the vid, Kenny introduces his sister, who is one of these, and the only person onscreen during most of it)(I know you don't have a TV, but it comes across in the song, and the people in binch of other songs, like I've xposted about ten freaking times on this thread and last years; yeah there's a lot of ego involved, a Lot if I-Feel-Your-Pain, but sincerity enough too, and it's as cathartic as it means to be most of the time, in pop-purple-big-screen-soap-opry terms, and it's part of being invited to skip-to-my-lou along, and I don't get how they fucking include gay bashers what the fuck

don, Friday, 21 October 2005 21:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Mind you, I'm talking about Horse, which is the only one I've heard. So if you mean the new one, sorry. I had completely forgotten about the Nightingales! Intriguing description: Pink Flag and Big Pink seem like two opposite things, PF so compressed, BF all this *stuff* wired together, like a Rube Goldberg machine, but each works so idiosyncratically well, their creators never quite came up with anything else of such impact (any single album, seems like, although other effective albums, and impressive segments of their discographies, but still)

don, Friday, 21 October 2005 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Don, it's that B&R never engage in warfare, they merely lament it - unless of course one thinks of their entire oeuvre as a jujitsu move against whatever they're trying to outfox. But they're one of the few bands to rock hard and have absolutely no anger in their rocking. And it's bizarre that in a genre where sales correlate with resentment (might as well just change the genre title from "country" to "Resentment") they seem not to know bitterness. He once tried to kill a man, but he's been SAVED, so you don't feel the kill in the song. Ultimately, this will be limiting, but I don't think it's limited them yet. Problem with the new album is that they simply didn't quite combine the zing and the goof and the ache so deliciously this time as last time. The funkers here ker-funk-a-funk-a-funk at least as well as "Ride a Horse," but on "Ride a Horse" they just horsed around with more flair in their flair. (And "Ride a Horse" with maybe my fifth favorite on Horse of a Different Color.) Doesn't mean that they've lost anything, it just means they didn't come up with what they come up with last time.

(Like, Give 'Em Enough Rope didn't mean a worse band, just a less good collection of songs.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 23 October 2005 00:51 (nineteen years ago) link

"Ride a Horse" was maybe my fifth favorite, that is.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 23 October 2005 01:13 (nineteen years ago) link

ah, I suspected as much. As Dylan Hicks in Voice tends to confirm my suspicions re new Gretchie.

don, Sunday, 23 October 2005 03:23 (nineteen years ago) link

For New Yorkers, here's something at the Museum of Television & Radio:

Are You Ready for the Country?
Highlights from Five Decades of Country Music Association Awards
November 4 to December 31, 2005
Tuesdays to Sundays at 1:00 p.m.

First broadcast in 1968, the Country Music Association Awards have brought the best and brightest country music stars into America's living rooms for nearly forty years. The Museum is proud to present a ninety-minute highlights compilation from the CMA Awards of rarely seen performances by nearly every great star in the genre, from legends including Dolly Parton, Johnny Cash, and Willie Nelson to contemporary favorites like Garth Brooks, Faith Hill, and the Dixie Chicks.

So come on over and enjoy America's music. Are you ready for the country? 'Cause it's time to go...


Introduced Screening: Nov. 9 at 12:30 p.m.
CMA director Ed Benson will formally donate the programs, followed by a discussion with CMA Awards hosts Brooks & Dunn, CMA Awards director Walter Miller, GAC host Lorianne Crook, and special guests. Screening to follow.

Sang Freud (jeff_s), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

(Shelly Fairchild o' mine finally joins the current Voice parade of fresh divas!)(Wherein Edd tends to confirm my suspicion that Sara Evans is too much woman for me)(so is Shelly, probably, but she don't show signs of Sara's Ecstatic Christianity, and not as tall as Sara, I hope.)Xpost Parson Frank's seeking dues from Bigfriedfoot & Rich's freelunch Freak Parade, I already pointed out to him Big Karma & L'il Job getting comeuppance and window-taps in my recent reVoice, but also, there's the Freakwater Parade, which currently starts with into to "Crimson And Clover," and eventually gets to: "Hi Ho Silver high on pills, use your hands and tell me how I feel, Higher Power higher hand up mine, show me how your God is so divine." A challenge always comes with the invitation, and more often smaller, sharper shinier objects than Silver are involved. They're also too much woman for me, but this next is, not their scariest nor deepest nor coldest nor best song, but one of my faves by anybody. You have to sound like a hillbilly, and "you may have to lean forward a little," as Dylan would advise(this is the Reader's Digest Mix, don't worry):
Did you see
Thuh Qwueeeen, Bee my my
She's pretty and lucky but it's dark in there,
She got a honeycomb but she got no hair.
The boys are waxin' her legs and they're doin' her nails,
Knittin' her sweaters with their pointy little tails.
One little bee, the only square in the hive,
Tried to get smart while he was alive,
She aimed her hexagon right between his eyes,
She said, "The Queen of the Bees beats the Lord of the Flies."
I'm gonna be the Queen Bee!(fuzztones buzz)
And in the beautiful world I see
Way up in a hollow tree, perfect idolatry,
I won't be grubbin' around down here like I was,because
I'm gonna do like the Queen Bee does!

don, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 01:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Bubba Sparrxxx exchange, from another thread:

So far, I'm liking the new album, but I'm also pretty disappointed by it; there doesn't seem to be any country-oriented stuff, which sucks, but I guess Bubba has to move on. So far my favorite track is "Wonderful," but that could change. The Pablo track's good, too.
-- xhuxk (xedd...), October 24th, 2005.

Actually i think its that country-motif stuff that was painting him into a corner
-- deej.. (clublonel...), October 24th, 2005.


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Maybe, but that doesn't mean it wasn't his best stuff. (Plus, I'm not sure *why* it would paint him into a corner. There's as much possibility in incorporating country as in *not* incorporating country. And there's definitely more possibility in incorporating both country *and* non-country. Getting rid of it makes his horizons *less* wide, not more.) (That goes for David Banner too, by the way.)
-- xhuxk (xedd...), October 24th, 2005.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 12:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, no Timbaland, which deej also seemed to think takes Bubba out of a corner, though I don't see why that would be true either, given Timbos perpetual restlessness. Maybe those who think the restlessness is un-Bubbalicious would expect him to shine without it, but paint'n'corner seems to be the wrong metaphor.

(Timbo's got at least two tracks that might make my P&J this year.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 13:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I listened to five cuts on The Girl Who Couldn't Fly, the new Kate Rusby album (she does English neo-trad folk), and I probably won't go further. I like her voice well enough; she's got a burr in her it, and her pitch can go deep, so she's not giving us just sweet aerie faerie folkie mist; and I like the type of melodies (the sort of stuff that is in the ancestry of totally beautiful American songs such as "Wild Mountain Thyme"), and her faux ancient lyrics are somewhat evocative. The problem is that the rhythm - her singing, and the accompaniment - is so motionless it might as well be a bog. I don't know. Maybe I'll revisit the record for the melodies and the burr; but I feel immobile just listening to it.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 13:48 (nineteen years ago) link

FYI, Frank, I have been posting on that best rap albums thread today (including repeating that Bubba stuff.) You should check it out. xp

xhuxk, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 13:50 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost

She's got a burr in her it = She's got a burr in it.

(Don't know if I have time for the rap thread this morning - I think I'll stick here, then have to meet with someone early.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 13:51 (nineteen years ago) link

But speaking of rap and Big & Rich, I was thinking that "Rollin' (The Ballad of Big & Rich)" might be classified as "song rap," not unlike Run-DMC's "Walk This Way" (you rap along with the rhythm as part of the song), whereas the rap in "Save a Horse" and "Real World" (if you call that rapping) is more like "interrupt-the-song rap" where your rapping reshapes the music (as in jazz: Louis Armstrong wasn't just "trumpet solo" but "note placement that reorders the space we've been inhabiting"). Of course, the difference between "song" and "interrupt the song" is relative, especially given that once you get used to an interruption, it doesn't come across as an interruption anymore.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 14:02 (nineteen years ago) link

You know that Big & Rich are punk rockers because they bitch about airplay so much.

Just kidding. I can't think of much that's less punk rock. Mantovani, I suppose. And Mozart. B&R have their share of pain songs, and the reason that airplay is an issue is that they think the world needs deliverance, not just in the hereafter or in personal salvation but in everyday human relations, so that hubbies aren't battering wives and Rangers aren't killing Tontos etc. So they believe there's value in getting on the radio, because they believe that a message of forgiveness and inclusion might actually do some good. I think, though, they mainly find it invigorating and funny that their sales run so far ahead of airplay. (And actually, they only mentioned airplay once, and it's a canny marketing tool, like the Mothers trumpeting themselves as having no commercial potential.) In general B&R think that the world is fundamentally right in all its weird variety, even if they themselves have moments when they're cracked and broken and hurting. And this fundamental faith in the world-weirdness is how they get away with doing everything by gesture. I mean, they as good as declare that country isn't real country music unless it includes black people. Of course, this also works as a justification their all those uncompromisingly hard funk-rock songs that make up a huge part of their repertoire (and which they rode onto country radio and CMT), with sawing fiddles included to signify "country" but being no less a funky part of the funk. And to further mix things up, two of the hard funkers on "Comin' To Your City" declare themselves in effect to be Latino-related songs due entirely to lyric about Mariachi and Tequila and not to their sound, which remains basic funk. (Not to say that Latino-Caribbean isn't in the ancestry of funk, just as Latino-polka is in the ancestry of country two-step, but "Latino" isn't woven into funk or country's signifiers, even if it should be.) But they do pull something off for now that's ultimately not going to work, which is to do politics by gesture, as if saying "Only forgiveness can finally end this" is sufficient, and so you don't have to deal with the fact that huge portions of black life are effectively criminalized, and fear of criminals has made up so much of the American political conversation of the last three decades.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 14:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Not going to work? Well, what do I expect musicians are supposed to achieve? (Frank goes to take a timeout.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Bill Kirchen, *King of Dieselbilly* (Hightone): Another old guy on Hightone (Dallas Wayne's label) who totally rocks and totally cracks me up. These two guys are what alt-country *should* be. Though I think this might be the second Kirchen album (out of, um, two) I've heard where he does a version of "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues" (unless he did a different early Dylan song on *Tied to the Wheel,* I'll have to check). Oh wait - Just noticed this is subtitled *Classic Kirchen,* so I guess it's a reissue. If it qualifies (don't the Scene people say music on reissues has to be a few years old or something? Oldest stuff here apparently dates back to '97 only), it will probably make my Nashville Scene reissue list instead of Terry Allen (whose outtakes album, by the way, is too often a little quiet and too him-alone-in-his-room, but picks up whenever he stretches out with blues drones or middle-eastern/Indian drones and lets guitars get loud; lots of good jokes, too). Anyway, both Kirchen albums I've heard I believe also have his cover of the old nuclear war rockabilly novelty "Truck Stop At the End of the World." And this new one itself has *two* versions of "Hot Rod Lincoln," one 8:45 and one 9:27, incorporating pre-announced snippets of guitar riffs quoting pretty much every great country guitar player ever, plus BB King, Albert King, Freddie King, Ben E. King, "the King" ("Heartbreak Hotel") (then he jokes about Billie Jean King and Don King and Carole King), Johnny Rivers, Marty Robbins, Duane Eddy, Link Wray, Stevie Ray, the Ventures, Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley, Howlin Wolf, James Jamerson, Duck Dunn, Jimi Hendrix, Jaco Pastorius ("Down in Birdland", I guess? That's Weather Report right? Don't ask me), the Rolling Stones, the Beatles, the Monkees, Cream, Deep Purple, the Sex Pistols, "the artist formerly known as Nick Lowe's ex-grandmother in law", and I forget who the heck else. All of whom supposedly pulled over to let Bill's hot rod Lincoln go by. Great schtick, and it kicks. (Cover stamp: "Warning: Contains over 17 1/2 minutes of 'Hot Rod Lincoln'.")

xhuxk, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 15:43 (nineteen years ago) link

so i'm very late in talking about the bobby bare record -- comes out next week -- but i absolutely love it, especially "are you sincere," "everybody's talkin'" and "yesterday when i was young" (that coda -- holy shit!). i am totally w/ kogan here. the bare disc sounds so much like the mercury george jones stuff with a dash of andy williams. i'm shocked by how great it is.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link

i find it a little odd that this is the only thread where anyone gives any thought to the new Deadly Snakes record, since "country" is a little bit of a stretch. I bet some "No Depression" types would flip for it, though. Anyway, I'm liking it a bit more than Chuck seems to way above, but I agree that the folk-rocky stuff is stronger than the cabaret-y stuff. Still the best of it is better than anything they've done yet and the worst of it is still pretty weird and good.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:36 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost yeah the reissue has to have a least a majority of tracks that are at least five years old, but I don't think it has to be *all* that old(so, for inst. a Gtst. Hits with a couple new tracks as bait might qualify), but Himes' letter will remind us, I'm sure. I haven't heard many reissues this year. Yeah Bill was with the orig Commander Cody lineup (Subject of Stokes' Star-Making Machinery, required reading in sev. songwriting and production workshops at U of A in 70s: landmark Bizology.) Somebody sent me this from today's Times, haven't got time to check the URL but it's about Bobby Bare performing a set at Grimey's, from new alb: "A Country Singer Returns To What Made Him A Star" by Ben Ratliff. Also talks about production of it.

don, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link

really liking tequilia makes her clothes come off--is this the year of drinking songs?

anthony, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

That's really more of a passing-out song, isn't it? Seems awfully slow and boring to me.

don, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Who does it?

xhuxk, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Lazy me. I just checked Billboard and it is Joe Nichols, whose new album I have yet to put on since the prayer in schools horseshit on his last one pissed me off so much. That's page 81, which also says Alan Jackson has a #20 hit called "USA Today"; anybody know what that's about? Also, Cross Canadian Ragweed have the #23 country album and the #42 country single. I used to think they were supposed to be alt-country, but apparently not.

More interesting is the big ASCAP Award Ad on page 5, where John Rich, who apparently won the "songwriter/artist of the year award," is pictured (among plain old regular so-what headshots by 50 or so other stars and industry luminaries) wearing an "I Heart PETA" T-shirt while eating a (veggie or not) burger and wearing a (veggie or not) fur coat. So I guess he wants to have his meat and eat it too. He wants to have it both ways, as Frank says. I'm not really sure how he doesn't show us the contradictions; I SEE them. Maybe I need to think about this more, or go back and re-read what contradictions Frank meant.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 22:04 (nineteen years ago) link

(Following is not about new album, which I haven't heard hint hint)B&R deal with the pain, by making it part of the pleasure, and vice versa. Not in a masochistic, binge-and-purge way, and not in a catharitc way, but in pop art images of both: Big Soap Opry Purple Wages/dues paying, spending, and remember what I xposted re banquet halls and vomiitoria: there's yer images (they prob watched I, Claudius on PBS back in the 70s). We get to indentify with the Big Rich Guys identifying with Little Folks Like Me And You, as Randy Newman's Huey Long would put it. They don't give our carefully collected grievances and closeted self-pity the same kind of work-out that Axl or Rotten or Cobain or Copain or Copayin' or name-yer-pizen does, but they run a pretty good dude ranch, at least on the first album, and on Big Karma's Live A Little, and by extention Jon Nicholson's fog-and-dream-rubbed Lil Sumpum Sumpum (on which they even appear, but I was counting the words), though not Gretchen's first. The pain is also next to the pleasure, leaving us to the implications (course dif *musical* elements arrange themselves out for our inspection too ["use your hands and tell me how I feel," as Freakwater put it]and yes the funk, the blues as-a-good-and/or-bad-and/or-baad feeling, is always around.)

don, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 22:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Memorial Tribute to Chris LeDoux and really interesting for a few reasons
1) It's the second reference to chewing tobacco in the recent chart (Skoal Ring), that and the NY times quoting Bobby Bare about it...Which needs to be forgiven, because of documentary details (not that there is anything that needs to be forgiven here)
2) The theme of the song is really about how cowboy music is different from country, or to put it a different way, how what is played at rodeos is not the same as what is on the radio--the question of purity, or what is really country (ie the western swing here and what Brooks calls here: "the western underground") is often argued b/w the Americana crowd and the radio crowd--and I mean Brooks can be nothing but a radio populist, but here he does hint at that difference, and I don't think it has been talked about before...
3) He has for a long time had a really heavy hand for extended metaphor--this time, its a few words, and subtle ones at that--but it defines the western ethos as one not of independence or bullying, but of tenacity "when she starts to twist, hold on tight"
4) he says good ride cowboy--and reading Jane Dark's blog, she points out that this sentiment needs to be uncoded by people who have spent time at rodeos:" though the loveliest part of this song is how the titular compliment stores its rodeo admiration not in the praise (you gotta say "good ride" to everybody, after all) but in the honorific. Not everyone gets to be a cowboy"
5) II'm glad that he is back.
(on nyplm)

anthony, Wednesday, 26 October 2005 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link

liking Bobby Bare's "Moon Was Blue" more--but still, strikes me as soporific. I do hear what I think Mark Nevers was trying to do, on "Love Letters in the Sand"'s coda with horns: some kind of avant-countrypolitian. I wish the whole record sounded like that, or like that but more, more; what it also sounds like is Lambchop, whom I've never warmed to. In other words, it almost gets there, but it's just a moment. The piece by Ben Ratliff is nice in today's Times; my take, though, is that he makes maybe too much of the supposedly outré touches. It just sounds like updated countrypolitan to me, and I do have to say the whole thing strikes me as the kind of wary and scared Nashville-style retro move that promises more than it delivers. I mean I think maybe Jack Clement's record might just do it better somehow, and while I think someone like Jim Dickinson also falls into the promises-more-than-delivers category, at least I can sorta flop around and semi-boogie to Dickinson's bullshit-artist shtick. So, my old Nashville bugaboo re Memphis, once again: at least no one in Memphis really gives a shit, while up here, they care righteously and I just wish someone would tell them to quit, even for half an hour. Same thing that drove me crazy with the Frank Black record made here--OK, you got your session men and all, but what you gonna do with 'em? You get intimidated or something. I'm probably being a bit unfair, I do enjoy Bare's record in a late-nite kinda way, and loved his performance I saw in September (and heard from David Berman and others that the Basement show Ratliff writes about was indeed fine). But I do know *seeing* him was great, hearing the record isn't. And it's a shame, because his voice is affecting and he's so obviously fucking real and without pretense.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 01:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Haven't listened to the Bare in over a month, but I found the countrypolitan effects far more affecting than the space effects, which were merely affected, and superfluous, but didn't get in the way particularly. The thing about the strings in (some) countrypolitan is that it seemed the musical equivalent of back projection, sort of pasted behind the singer. Reminds me too of '50s magazine graphics (country always being a decade behind), which I like: using primary colors and keeping foregound and background clearly separated, as if each represented a different plane, nothing intermediate, very two-dimensional. Much prefer that to '70s, where everything was subtlety and depth of focus. Anyway, Bare Jr. and crew seem to have gotten that old feel, and it works somehow; the moment when the backup singers start cooing "Bobby, Bobby" is fabulous, partly because it seems to emanate from another zone. (Wish I'd heard the first version he recorded of "Are You Sincere," for comparison.)

"He may have been the last man in town to remain friendly with Waylon Jennings and Chet Atkins," says John Morthland (The Best of Country Music. Seems to mix the sap and the scruff in equal measure.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 27 October 2005 02:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Don, in order to get the promo of the B&R I had to get fingerprinted, undergo a background check, receive a full-body search incl. orifices, and submit to being x-rayed. So I don't think the thing is burnable.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 27 October 2005 02:38 (nineteen years ago) link

everything's burnable frank, don't bogart the b$r on us.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 27 October 2005 04:20 (nineteen years ago) link

So, Roseanne Cash reissues. Does everybody agree with me that *Interiors* (both her dullest and most critically successful album up to that point, as I recall; haven't kept up with her since) was nowhere near as good as *King's Record Shop*, which was nowhere near as good as *Seven Year Ache*, and that the greatest hits album was superfluous the first time it came out and even moreso now? OK, good.

xhuxk, Thursday, 27 October 2005 11:56 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost, Frank: I wasn't aiming my "still haven't heard it, hint hint" at you...)xpost what's this Memorial Tribute to Chris LeDoux, and where's the Garth quote you mention, Anthony? Liner notes to a trib album, by Garth, and others, I hope? (I xposted an obit for LeDoux way upthread) I'll have to check Jane's comments too. One thing I've had a notion about is that Country can be more closed in,more a sense of being surrounded by *stuff* than wide-open-spaces Western. A different sense of paranoia, for one thing (claustrophia vs, agoraphobia, perhaps, although that doesn't say it all. If youre camped out on the prairie or desert, gotta be very focussed on the state of yr campfire, yr food, what might be crawling around in yr blankets, what sounds you're hearing have to be evaluated, an eye for what might start coming over or thickening the horizon line--but that's just part of it, o course, way aside from rodeos or homesteading or other stuff)One way of dealing with Country stuff is like I was talking about on this recent Countrypolitan thread. Where you have all this stuff in the background (and there is a sense of back and fore, like Frank describes, and yeah the advantage of that), but also you quietly shift diff combinations (dif combos) of musos in and out of the foreground, and/or the part of the foreground that's in the actual spotlight. Freakwater do this on their most recent albums (I always forget how many people are involved in those; such an intimate sound). And they say were adapting ideas from the production methods of Big Star's Sister/Lovers and John Cale's Paris 1919 and also Elvis' "sesssions in Memphis and Vegas"--I think they mean the late 60s stuff, his sort-of folk-country-chamberpolitan, like "Kentucky Rain," "In The Ghetto", "Tomorrow Is A Long Time," etc. And if they're into Third/Sister Lovers, Dickinson said he and Chilton were influenced in the orchestral approach to that, by Dusty In Memphis! So,re adapability times appropriate focus, there's a way in between straight countrypolitan and something that gets too arty and self-conscious (unless you think any of what I've cited is too etc o course)

don, Thursday, 27 October 2005 13:23 (nineteen years ago) link

And a variation on that, not involving an actual orchestra, but could have, is Hank Jr. at the Almera, in which he takes you into diff rooms of that (actual) roadhouse: aural-correlative extends through time and space, out to the parking lot, where he's singing "git cha peanuts" like his child Daddy learning a songpitch from Teetot; and also, also Junior's grownup self steps back inside, to the Kansas City room, to sing with a K.C. gospel group about a cross on the highway, re his pro footballer friend who died there. And a live variation's that ca. '78 Dylan concert I saw, where he had tons of musos onstage and in the wings, and would have dif combos from song to song, like everybody for a speed-metal "Masters Of War," down to just one guy playing flute while D. sang "Blowin' In The Wind," and then switching to sax for a very suave "I Want You."(And I'm told Sir Doug and Ornette sometimes had like 3-4 self-contained bands, of various styles and/or genres, all on stage at the same time, so could switch from one to the other, but Dyl did it more in this recombinant orchestral way I was talking about before)

don, Thursday, 27 October 2005 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I really want to see you guys .You are my favorite singers! Can you send me a picture or a poster .

Jessica Costello, Friday, 28 October 2005 00:55 (nineteen years ago) link

>*King's Record Shop* was nowhere near as good as *Seven Year Ache*<

A slight exagerration. *King's Record Shop* turns out to be better than I'd remembered. Best tracks: the proto-Goodbye Earl/Independence Day Rosie striking back one, the green to yellow to red traffic light one, the tennesse flatbox cover originally sung by the singer's father, and the 727 one (which is a bonus cut on the new reissue CD.)

Also, I exagerrated up above when I said Cross Canadian Ragweed don't know how to rock. Their SINGER doesn't, apparently. But their guitar player seems to, and the album may well grown on me for that reason.

xhuxk, Monday, 31 October 2005 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I actually like Roseanne's "Rhythm and Romance" album from '85 as much as I do "Seven Year" or "King's." From the latter, "Rosie Strikes Back" sure beats Amy Rigby's songs about marriage, I think. Now I have to get the reissues, because I've been jonesing for her stuff for a while--my old albums are scratched up.


Picked up John Anderson's great "Tokyo, Oklahoma" the other day for a buck--what a superb record. Been listening to Hayes Carll's record, finally. And still hooked on the Bare back-projection-politan--good line Frank!--for late-nite listening.

I haven't been able to copy my Big & Rich, so far it's defeated me and my more tech-savvy friends. I figured out that the song "Caught Up in the Moment" reminds me of is Climax Blues Band's '76 "Couldn't Get It Right," down to the vocals and the line from CBB that goes "New York City took me with the tide/But I nearly died from hospitality." Which someone upthread might have already caught, I didn't check. In fact, a lot of that CBB album with "Couldn't" is so much like "Comin' "--substitute fiddles and banjos for the clavinet and guitars on the CBB album and it's kinda uncanny.

And "Never Mind Me" takes off from J.D. Souther's "New Kid in Town" with a little hint of one of those Gin Blossoms songs from the album with "Hey Jealousy" on it. And the other thing I find real interesting about the record is the way the vocals are recorded/mixed with absolutely no room ambience at all, just so in-your-face. Which works for me, mostly, because you don't miss a word.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 31 October 2005 18:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Raven's twofer series incl several of those Roseannes.(Ditto the early, better Rodneys, and Gary Stewarts, for that matter.) Edd, you are maybe a little too tough on Jim Dickinson: yeah, the voice can be jivey, but the bandleading/arranging (via his keybs, it seems) and choice of songs, written by him and others, works pretty well, judging by the tracks we've traded. He kinda sounds like Hank Jr. in the xpost Alemera mode: where Jr isn't pushing the vaudeville aspect so hard, and the thoughty-type stuff comes through (I guess Eric Burdon's better stuff would also be somewhut comparable.) And as far as limited voices, Dickinson knows better than to shred his tonsils on "Well Of Love," the way its composer Eddie Hinton does on the live version I sent you, which coulda been great, bandleading-wise, if Hinton hadn't constricted like that.Preferred version of my Nickel Creek piece now playing at http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com/

don, Monday, 31 October 2005 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I was flipping around on the satellite and came across Clint Black in concert. His band was doing Steely Dan's "Josie" with Clint playing drums and the background singer singing lead vocals. Those Nashville cats must all be LA studio hounds, as it sounded pretty good. Clint is quite a good drummer.

earlnash, Monday, 31 October 2005 20:56 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah isn't Sirius satellite radio going to TV to some extent? In November? Or have they already?

don, Monday, 31 October 2005 21:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, I exagerrated up above when I said Cross Canadian Ragweed don't know how to rock. Their SINGER doesn't, apparently. But their guitar player seems to, and the album may well grown on me for that reason.

All their stuff is on eMusic and I've stayed away from it. The cover art and song titles are awful. So what's the appeal?

Here's my Grinderswitch bid for revival. Their catalog has been moved en masse to digitization. Three studio albums on Capricorn, I thin'; one rejected by Walden in '77 or so and issued by someone a year or two later. One album has grotesque natural cover art resembling a cunt. Half country, half Allman's but shorter songs. Fits into the Lousianna Leroux demographic -- a bit more guitarry -- that Chuck liked.

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 03:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Never heard their albums, but the Capricorn remasters I've heard, from '97 on, have all had good sound, at least. (Ever heard that first Hydra, George? Good to hear on disc; the LP was longish, and thus compressed, though obsessive overdubs didn't help--until they got to CD!The second one, though, gets taken over by that sub-Johnny Winteroid vocalist they hired for the first. Before they ever started recording, were a fearsome power trio, not good to hear on acid: "Oh mann, they *were* Cream, now they *are* Experience, I can't handle it!"). Live, Grinderswitch were this very organized, determined boogiemerchant enterprise, in a good way (not surprising to eventually find out they were Allmans roadies also, or was it for several bands?)

don, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 04:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I need to investigate the fake CCR more, George. I was just kinda tracking through their new CD yesterday since they have a show (w/ Dierks Bentley and Pat Green, both of whom will blow them off stage I assume) coming up here, and I was assuming I'd hate all of it, and I came across a couple guitar parts I DIDN'T hate. More soon, I hope.

Played Odyssey Band's *Back in Time* (featuring James Blood Ulmer, Charles Burnham, and Warren Benbrow) all the way through twice this morning, and nearly half of it is a total jazz HOEDOWN. I remember Ulmer's early '80s *Odyssey* album having country-ish parts, but not this many. Also not sure if these are new versions of all songs from that album or what; I haven't checked. Either way, I am starting to think this might qualify for a country ballot. Don, please advise.

Also finally played Two Car Garage's *The Wall Against Our Back,* which I think has been sitting on a shelf in my office for a year, yesterday, and found out these Columbus, Ohio dudes (three of 'em) sound more like the Drive By Truckers than even the Drive By Truckers do these days. I had no idea. Press sheet says they cover Bad Company and Billy Joe Shaver live, as well. How come I never heard of them?

xhuxk, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Oops, I mean Two COW Garage. (There's a difference. They say people call Columbus a Cowtown, but they neglect to mention that it's also a College Town.) (Though I bet nobody in Ann Arbor would see it as one.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 15:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Haven't seen anything about a new Odyssey yet! But yeah, he did that same sort of thing on their Reunion, and even more country-modal-blue-gospel-and-other, on Blues & Grass, which is credited to the 52nd St. Blues Project, with Charlie Burnham on mandolin and even vocals, as well as his usual electric violin; vocalist Queen Esther, and a really sneaky percussionist whose name escapes me now (I told you he was sneaky). That made my Nashville Scene Country Roundup last year. Also, on New Year's Eve, was scanning the dial and heard him and his unaccompanied harmolodic country blues guitar do this bloody-footprints-in-the-snow-type country version of "Are You Glad To Be In America," and later discovered he's done a whole album like that, apparently (judging by descriptions), Birthright. The country side, without losing the Blood side, seems to be his thing now, more and more, so can well imagine he and Burnham are doing another Odyssey, since that's where they started with this approach. Never heard of Two Cow Garage, but considering all I've ever heard about urban Ohians worrying about hillbillies swarming over the border to take jobs, sure they're very popular there.What colleges are in Columbus?

don, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I dunno; ask Woody Hayes!

xhuxk, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I have the first Hydra record. "Glitter Queen" was the standout song. Had the last, too, at one time. Skipped the one with the cover of the cop blowing his nose in cash money.

Joe Dan Petty, the bassist was a Allmans roadie and he started the band, apparently having the connections to immediately get it signed to Capricorn. Two of the original members -- of four -- including Petty, are dead, so reunion on the physical plain is out. Honest to Goodness and Macon Tracks, the first two, could be passed off as the Allman Bros. in a blind listen-off to rubes. They're about the same in quality. Always one good song on the record, accompanied by six or seven fair workouts and out of there before 35 minutes has elapsed.

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost speaking of blues in Scene roundup, that Blind Arvella Gray I wrote about in Voice this week, and Coe's P.Blues (too hard to spell, but yall know the one) are def gonna be in this year's Reissues, and the source of those (Cary of Conqueroo/Conjuroo) told me today that xpost Jessi Colter's new album is finally coming out, in '06! (And, since Coe's coming to Charlotte, apparently, I'll have an excuse to write about P.Blues; Kandia's suggested I put him with Col. Bruce, who will be there the same weekend, so I will! His and Codetalkers' new album assimilates bluegrass so well, like all those jambands failed so at, think it may end up on Scene Top Ten! Also Bruce does good country/boogie blues, as usual, so further Scene-qualified) But now back to squeezing Terri Clark into a sshawwtyy...

don, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 02:32 (nineteen years ago) link

but wait! what's that? bursting out of the pack! it's...SOME HEARTS, the first album from American Idol's teen cutie Carrie Underwood, and it's heroically great. best song so far is the title track, written by Diane Warren whom I usually distrust anymore but hot diggety she nailed it, sounds like the sainted Juice Newton has risen from the grave. also there is a song about how Jesus is a really good driver especially if you are a single mom who's drifted away from religion, and another about how it sucks when you have to leave your boyfriend and/or girlfriend at the end of the summer, but how it'll be okay. Awesome country powerpop.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link

re. Two Cow Garage: They're really young and still finding their songwriting footing, but dudes rock very hard live. I can't really listen to their records, no matter how loud I play them, but I always enjoy their gigs. Best cover of "Fat Bottom Girls" ever!

Roy Kasten, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Something I found by accident that people on this thread might like:

http://s55.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0I9ALYW9XOSN63B6VDW1TQN53W

(I think of it as a Mexican Abba, if Abba was made up of Shania Twain and ZZ Top.)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 16:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, the two really good songs on the Two Cow Garage CD (also the two most Drive By Truckerlike) appear to be "Make It Out Alive" and "Alphabet City." Some of the rest is probably at least worthy of post-*Fervor* Jason and the Scorchers; some of it's alt-country bleh. They end with a Beatles cover just like Kentucky Headhunters did this year, and their "Don't Let Me Down" (oops ***on promo copy only it says here) rocks OK, just not as hard as the Headhunters' "I'm Down."

xhuxk, Thursday, 3 November 2005 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link

But I thought you dint like Drive-By Scorchers? My grandfather had a one-cow, one-family-of-packrats garage. Coulda been a two-cow. (It was a generational townbillies thing, and a Depression thing). But where would they have put their *stuff*?

don, Thursday, 3 November 2005 18:16 (nineteen years ago) link

> I thought you dint like Drive-By Scorchers?<

I just don't like the NPR-country balladeers they've turned *into,* Don (plus live they're way too much Replacements and not enough Skynyrd); I still love *Southern Rock Opera,* and I like the one after that and the ones before -- only CD I really didn't like was their most recent one. And come to think of it I guess a lot of the less rocking Two Cow Garage tracks may well sound like that one, hmmmm; the two BEST Two Cow cuts are more Southern-Rock-Operatic.

xhuxk, Thursday, 3 November 2005 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

(xpost Gypsy, thanx: my computer's got indigestion, but yr description's intriguing)(nad reminds me that I finally just now spun Patricia Vonne's wild Guitar And Casanets! Thanxx xxhuxx!) XxhuxxI was just poking at some of your previous cracks, but would lak to pint out there's good country on NPR. (Live sets, even: on the xpost Americana Crossroads Live, for example, as well as Etown, and World Cafe, and also Woodsongs and even Prairie Home Companion, when the hosts of those last two aren't sticking their own faux hix schtix in there.)Edd has brought my attention to Katie Dodd on new Faith and Sara, in this week's nashvillescene.com. She says Faith's got several tracks that take the album way past "Mississippi Girl," towards what small town famliy life is really like. Cites inclusion of several strong songs written by Lori McKenna, mother of five, whose own Bittertown has since been re-issued. Her name seems kinda familiar--anybody heard the album??

don, Friday, 4 November 2005 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link

speaking of computer indigestion, these van zant reviews on amazon.com are somewhat entertaining, to say the least:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/B00092ZM02/103-1042685-6186223

xhuxk, Friday, 4 November 2005 18:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Because no one paid any attention to me before, I just want to say that the Carrie Underwood song where she gleefully trashes her boyfriend's truck (keying, seat-slashing, headlight-bashing, spraypainting) so next time he'll think twice "Before He Cheats," has entered the pantheon of Country Gurlz Behaving Badly.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 4 November 2005 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link


>She says Faith's got several tracks that take the album way past "Mississippi Girl," towards what small town famliy life is really like<

Interesting; I'd like to read this (and somebody should have Katie Dodd email me so we can add her to Pazz and Jop), but I'm not so sure about the "really like" in the above sentence. Here's what I wrote above; I wonder if this is one of the songs Katie was referring to:

"opening track on the new faith hill album, about sunshine and summertime and picnics and coronas and colas and smith-coronas (ok maybe not) and hot cars and hard bodies and bikinis and stuff, is really good; reminds me of "six pack summer" by phil vassar from a couple years ago... the other song faith's summertime sunshine song reminds me of is rebecca lynn howard's pink flamingos one from a couple years ago. guess i'm just a sucker for songs about parties on suburban patios. (i realize that kinda thing might make some of my more suburbaphobic NYC friends cringe, though.)...and the thing about the party on the patio one is that that kind of hasbrook heights suburban utopia is probably almost a nostalgia thing by now; rebecca's pink flamingos were more blatant about the kitsch of it all (as were zz top imitating b-52s in "party on the patio" i guess) , but i have a feeling faith kinda knows the utopia's a lost cause by now too. though then again, i can imagine she and tim throwing great patio parties to this day, so maybe not."


I wasn't ignoring your Carrie U = Juice N post, Matt! It makes me totally wanna hear the record. I just haven't yet, so I'm speechless.

xhuxk, Friday, 4 November 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

"really like"="given up on utopia," to say the least.So, did yall see The Outlaws Concert? It'll be on again tomorrow evening a couple of times, with the doc about making of xpost original Wanted:The Outlaws, and they'll show Shooter's reality thang, prob a rerun of him speeding around Nashville, and hopefully the one where he's on stage with Coe, in Illinoise, I think, will be on next week. Anyway, The Outlaws Concert: the first hour was mostly Toby and Merle posing, and Billy Joe did one good and one boring, and Coe did two gooduns, and ditto Shelby.(Her first was kinda generically lap steel-meets-Joe-Perry flashy,but good enough, plus she held some tones like Dylan on Before The Flood, but not too literally, and then did an acoustic "When Johnny Met June.") And Jack Ingram took up space.(Guess he was spozed to be the token youngsexyperson, like Shelby.)Second hour, Merle dominated, and was real good lead singer and picker too. Also good duet with Toby, this time, and with Shaver, but His Hagness did none with Coe nor Shelby. Don't think he did anything from his new or recent albums. Frustrating not to have more from Coe or Shelby. Oh well, at least no Kid Rock etc etc.

don, Saturday, 5 November 2005 04:36 (nineteen years ago) link

just decided (again) that cross canadian ragweed really aren't worth the trouble. the singer is blander than bobby pinson and todd snider combined -- quite an accomplishment. and they definitely don't have pinson's or snider's songs (well, actually, they DO do one of snider's songs on the new album; hey, it worked for gary allan, right?) even when the guitars do pick up a little, which is very rarely, they don't pick up in a remotely interesting or exciting way. and as far as i can tell, they're getting worse -- their self-titled debut from three or so years ago had a few tracks that at least showed promise ("17" and "brooklyn kid" and "walls of huntsville," if i remember right; my copy's long gone); the new one seems completely generic in comparison. and they were pretty generic to begin with. (still wonder why they get to be "commercial country" and tour with dierks bentley when so many similar bands get alt-country-ghettoized. do the stars respect their ho-hum purism, or something? i'm guesing it's something like that. plus i guess being a "real band" who seem to live their lives on the road lets them signifying "rocking" without actually doing it.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 5 November 2005 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Chuck, I really recommend that Ha-Ash album I posted an mp3 from above. Pop en espanol with shadings of Shania, endless hooks. I think they're sisters or something, but I don't read Spanish so I can't tell from their Web site. But there's barely a weak track on the record, just catchy catchy.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 5 November 2005 21:07 (nineteen years ago) link

the fecund chaos/weirdness rockout anger/funseeking of the last singles from Big and Rich fall into a muddle of usefulness in the newish single.

and gretchen wilsons career is really about personae seeking diminishing returns--California Girls is awful, and strangely inaccurate

anthony, Sunday, 6 November 2005 23:57 (nineteen years ago) link

um...i understand your gretchen comment i guess. not sure what you're getting at with the big n rich one. (doubt their album will make my pazz and jop, i'm sorry to say. the more i relisten to it, and to other albums, the more it slips down my list. ditto hope partlow, though i'll probably vote for "crazy summer nights" as a single, even if it techically isn't one in any other universe than my own mind. i like ashlee simpson better than either, but if she makes it, she'll probably wind up closer to the bottom of the list than to the top.)

just played the new joe nichols. listenable but dull, i guess i'd say. respectable - that's what people like about him, right? and at least no prayer in schools op-eds this time, near as i could tell. best song seems to be "talk me out of tampa"; songs about southern coastal towns always remind of glen campbell. most interesting thing about "tequila makes her clothes fall off" seems to be that he mentions bon jovi in it. "as country as she gets" isn't bad. didn't keith anderson already do a song called "size matters" this year, though? in joe's version, some gal's looking for a guy with a real big...heart. that's the only track i found too annoying to listen to. doubt i'll ever listen to any of the others again by choice, though.

xhuxk, Monday, 7 November 2005 14:24 (nineteen years ago) link

>that Blind Arvella Gray I wrote about in Voice this week, and Coe's P.Blues are def gonna be in this year's Reissues,<

But hey Don, don't forget Big Kenny! (whose solo reissue you seem to like a lot more than I do...)

xhuxk, Monday, 7 November 2005 14:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Anderson's song was called "XXL" - I haven't heard the Nichols song, but Anderson's is closer to Dallas Wayne's "Junior Samples" than your description of the Nichols song.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Monday, 7 November 2005 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link

by the way, my wife (who knows about singing) thinks that carrie underwood is a crap singer whose voice is thin and unpleasant. she doesn't like the songs, either, but that might just be an aversion to diane warren and/or juice newton.

so curb my upthread enthusiasm, a little. still a pretty good record to my ears though.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I like that duet she does with Jamie O'Neal on the 100 Greatest Country Duets special. But I've noticed before how a professional can help a newbie through a duet, so may not be that significant. Does she like Kelly Clarkson? I've really enjoyed her singles this year; prb end up in my P&J. (How's her album or albums, anybody?)(Also in 100 etc.: Rebecca Lynn Howard was sooo cute, now with long red hair, and looking totally delighted, as was Keith Anderson, watching her more than the teleprompter, when they did "Jackson"! *Sounded* good too!First time I've seen her since ugly beige-and-black apartment in her first video; maybe she was delighted with this new exposure, but seemed to enjoy the song too, speaking of being a pro.) xxhuxx I wasn't really thinking of Big K cos was arguably-at-best "released," but by Himes' specification (recorded more than five years ago), it's a reissue anyway! Damn! It was gonna be in the regular NS Top Ten!Damn!

don, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 01:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Listening to new Chesney and it's soapy, mid-tempo comedown from "fraud" charges from Mrs. Bridget Jones. "In a Small Town" is anti-rural like Pinson's but without the energy and "Tequila Loves Me" is the sleepiest drinking song ever recorded.

werner t., Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean in Big and Rich, its a question of balance, the weirdness and the variety of kidns of music has to be kept together, making it too weird, or too varied or not vasried enough, ruins it...

anthony, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 20:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I like that new Chesney single, "Who'd You Be Now." Good dead-guy song. Anthony, did you see B&R's Live In Deadwood? Didn't sound very live, though the second hour is all I've seen so far. New and old songs, both tending towards the marginally nauseating; glossy fer shure. Mebbe I'm done with them, for now, anyway.

don, Wednesday, 9 November 2005 01:08 (nineteen years ago) link

i loved the first album, deeply. it continues to be strong for me. i like the CT album, and am fond of the Kenny, but its not great. The new album from B and R is not nearly as good as any of them.

anthony, Wednesday, 9 November 2005 01:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm enjoying the new Haggard, which Chuck mentioned up-thread. The "political" tunes are suck but the title track is classic. I could listen to Reggie Young play guitar for the rest of my life.

Roy Kasten, Wednesday, 9 November 2005 02:23 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost yeah I still like Horse Of A Diffent Color and Big K's, but feel "done" as far as ongoing, still-developing interest, for the moment.They don't seem to be tossing any new curves.(Though hopefully I'm missing some good co-writes, good as Aldean's "Hicktown,", anyway)(hopefully there's good stuff *to* miss)

don, Wednesday, 9 November 2005 03:27 (nineteen years ago) link

>i loved the first album, deeply. it continues to be strong for me. i like the CT album, and am fond of the Kenny, but its not great. The new album from B and R is not nearly as good as any of them. <

I'd say Old Big & Rich >>>>> New Big & Rich > Cowboy Troy > Big Kenny solo. And they are *too* tossing some new curves. ("Flithy Rich," the Vietnam epic, the pyschedelic song that Edd loves so much, maybe more if Edd -- whose writing about the album on this thread has been really interesting -- is right). Just not enough of them, and the new curves aren't as interesting as I wish they were. But if anything, honestly, I think my problem with the new album is that it reminds me too *much* of Big Kenny's solo joint, not enough of the debut. Too many hippie-dippie slow songs. And some Cowboy Troy on it would have been fun. (Then again, one cool thing about B&R is that nobody ever seems to agree about what their best songs are. That was sort of the case with the debut too. In his 3 1/2-star review in the new *Rolling Stone,* Christian Hoard says his favorite track on the album is "Leap of Faith," which too me is easily one of the dullest tracks on there.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 9 November 2005 14:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, I might even prefer the *Super Galactic Fan Pack* EP to the new album too, come to think of it. It'd definitely be a close race.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 9 November 2005 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link

And I actually should've said Cowboy Troy>>>>>>>>Big Kenny solo (though I am still glad to own the latter, even though there's not much I like much on it.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 9 November 2005 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link

well, just going by the new songs(including the Vietnam), and the now tired-seeming old songs, that I heard on the (allegedly)Live thing, since still haven't heard new studio renditions. Prob shouldn't judge by TV, though. If you thank new one's too Big K, maybe that means I would like it more than you, since I like Big K's more than you (do).

don, Wednesday, 9 November 2005 23:33 (nineteen years ago) link

the only (two) things interesting about the new kenny chesney:

1) He Thanks Sammy Hagar in the Linear notes
2) The video to Who Would You Be seems to be a gloss on When September Ends by Green Day.

He is much much less fuckable then he was in the last one, as well. (which explains about 3/4s of his popularity)

anthony, Thursday, 10 November 2005 01:21 (nineteen years ago) link

(what does he thank Sammy Hagar for?)xpost speaking of countrypolitan, I'd forgotten how awesome is Coepolitan, especially all the awesome female voices. They breathe so much spirit into just the right phrases, words, syllables. And his sensitive side (with a seasoning of wheedling basic macho)is waiting to be borne againe through them: his version of acyde fFolke, just about, and his studies of Dylan, Tim Hardin, Steve Goodman, Crosby Stills, Van Morrison, Jesse Colin Young,Jimmy Buffett, Boz Scaggs (especially their blend with female voices), also include appeal to women consumers of country music in the age of soft rock, even more (much more) than any considerations of Southern Rock's stereotypical lawnghaired country boah consumer. All honors to Barbarah Fairchild, Carol & Mary Beth Anderson,Janie Fricke, Dianne Sherrill, Eva Shapiro, Lacy J. Dalton (whatever happened to her?), Linda Hargrove (used to read reviews of her album[s?] in Creem?), others I haven't found credits for yet.

don, Thursday, 10 November 2005 04:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I qoute:

To The RED ROCKER Sammy Hagar, Uncle Kraker, Kid Rock, Keith Urban, Gretchen Wilson, Pat Green, Peyton and Eli Manning, Troy Aikam

it goes on and on

anthony, Thursday, 10 November 2005 08:36 (nineteen years ago) link

>what does he thank Sammy Hagar for?)<

Didn't Kelefah just say in the Times two days ago that KC's teqila song may be the mellowest thing ever recorded at Hagar's place in Cabo Wabo or however you spell it? Well there you go.

Speaking of the Times, don't miss the condescending but I gotta admit slightly interesting article in today's Style section about female country artists' newfound obsession with designer labels! Did you know they don't leave tags on their hats like Minnie Pearl anymore? Well, they don't, so there! Actually, the most interesting thing about the piece is the graphic that compares Faith Hill's, Martina McBride's, and Lee Ann Rimes's down-home mid '90s CD covers to their much more fashionable (and way hotter, though it doesn't say that) recent ones. Also, the piece mentions Leann's "heaving bosom" on hers!

xhuxk, Thursday, 10 November 2005 14:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Lacy J. Dalton (whatever happened to her?)

Abducted by aliens, I fear.
http://www.lacyjdalton.com/

Terrific singer, though. Irony, however, isn't her strong suit: "I love good rock 'n roll like Don Henley, Tom Petty, Bonnie Raitt, etc. A lot of modern country music sounds like white-washed rock 'n roll to me."

Roy Kasten, Thursday, 10 November 2005 15:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Sanneh NY Times article on Odie Blackmon, Nashville songwriter who penned "I May Hate Myself in the Morning" for Lee Ann Womack. The article says the album has sold only 360,000, while her 2000 I hope You Dance sold 2.6 million. If she wins a few awards she'll likely sell more.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/10/arts/music/10sann.html?8hpib=&pagewanted=print

curmudgeon, Thursday, 10 November 2005 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link

But at least the new one's sold more than the one right before. xpost thanks for the Lacy site, Roy. Goodun on New York country in this week's Voice. What's some more worthy locals, xxhuxx, anybody? I wrote about Damn Lovelys a little bit on last year's Rolling thread;haven't much from up there since. Whatever happened to Astro-Chicken? Vocals (and production)very modest, but appealing songs.(Speaking of/to country artists looking for covers.) Lil Mo and the Monicats had some nice tracks; ditto Kristi Rose, from time to time.

don, Saturday, 12 November 2005 03:05 (nineteen years ago) link

(what does he thank Sammy Hagar for?)

Maybe it is for the tequila, or the beach bum bonhommie it looks like they share. Anyway, Hagar's tequila is sold at supermarket local to me, locked up in the premium case, but it's not so high priced it can't be an everyman's drink. It'd be nice, too, if it had something to with the songwriting on Hagar's Capitol output, which was pretty good.

George the Animal Steele, Saturday, 12 November 2005 03:18 (nineteen years ago) link

what was that album from late 90s, where Hagbar did kind of a Cockeroo hornband thang, only better tham most of Joebo's?

don, Saturday, 12 November 2005 05:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Hmm, 10 Thirteen was a fairly dreadful party metal album I traded almost immediately five years ago. The record before it was the one with the ripoff of Gary Glitter's Rock 'n' Roll as Mas Tequila. I don't quite get your code Don, but the last Sammy release in BestBuy was a career retrospective that kind of skimped on the Capitol stuff, except for some signature tunes like Red. His worst stuff was always the I Can't Drive 55 shit and There's Only One Way To Rock. I give him fifty/fifty for Give to Live and nothing for anything in Van Hagar.

George the Animal Steele, Saturday, 12 November 2005 09:21 (nineteen years ago) link

>What's some more worthy locals, xxhuxx, anybody?<

Uh, I like the album the Nancy Atlas Project put out a few years ago. Beyond that, honestly, not much. I like (and edited) Kurt Gottschalk's piece, but I honestly am not a fan of most of the music in it, which seems really timid to me. (See my Orville Davis comment upthread.)

First song on tape played over PA, after the bleh (despite an okay cover of Merle's "Working Man") set by Tracy Byrd or Tracy Lawrence or whoever the hell he was, to lead into Montgomery Gentry's great (and to me, amazingly good humored and smiley) Veteran's Day night set at BB King's last night: "Cum On Feel the Noize" by Slade. Last song on tape (the one they entered to): "The Boys are Back in Town" by Thin Lizzy. In between: "Working for the Weekend," "Carry on My Wayward Son," I forget what else. Songs they covered during their set: CCR "Midnight Special," Dave Edmunds "I Hear You Knocking," ZZ Top "Just Got Paid" (which made me especially happy, since ZZ didn't do it in their great set at the Beacon Theatre the night before). In attendance: Caramanica, Sanneh, Breihan, Eddy, though the first two left before the set was over (Sanneh to go see Okkervill River.)

New Th' Legendary Shack Shakers album sounds really good (and seemingly more pissed off politcally than their previous one), by the way.

xhuxk, Saturday, 12 November 2005 14:35 (nineteen years ago) link

btw, for posterity's sake (and uh to stimulate web hits), here's the piece Don mentioned:

http://villagevoice.com/music/0545,gottschalk,69776,22.html

xhuxk, Saturday, 12 November 2005 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Also somewhat relevant here (from the metal thread) (and I just noticed that I prefer "Shake Me" by Cinderella unplugged to plugged as well):

>Anybody else been playing these new (and often advertised on CMT!) *VH1 Classic Metal Mania Stripped* compilations? I have been, and I've been liking lots of stuff on them -- some of it ("Here I Go Again" by Whitesnake and "Don't Tell Me You Love Me" by Night Ranger for instance, though those aren't the best tracks) more than I would have guessed.

xhuxk, Saturday, 12 November 2005 15:10 (nineteen years ago) link

(actually new shack shakers CD may well have too much tom waits and not enough junior parker on it for my tastes, at least compared to the last one. rhythms generally seem more polkafied as well; not sure if that's a good thing or not; also possible that jello biafra's apparent involvment will up their shtick quotient to unmanageable levels. but maybe not.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 12 November 2005 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link

> the ripoff of Gary Glitter's Rock 'n' Roll as Mas Tequila<

My thoughts (from then) on that one and a countrified Metallica folk song:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/9919,eddy,5544,22.html

xhuxk, Saturday, 12 November 2005 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

By the way, one possible country relevance of those VH1 Stripped comps (besides the fact that they're coming at a time when country has totally absorbed late '80s hair-metal power ballads into its aesthetic) is that Stephen Pearcy of Ratt sings and strums a good unpluggeed version of "Round and Round," a couple years after an apparently bluegrassish group called the Meat Purveyors allegedly covered it on an EP. I never heard their cover, but maybe Pearcy did.

xhuxk, Saturday, 12 November 2005 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Meat Purveyors were one of those late 90s female-lead Bloodshot bands, like Trailer Bride and Moonshine Willie, both of whom I kinda preferred, because they had a fuller, more nuanced sound, but MP's did effectively fold in Ratt, Daniel Johnston, and I think they wrote their Tarot song ("Don't look at the Hanged Man!"). Wrote some other gooduns too,but prob better live. And they got some fav mention from xgau, who always claims to hate bluegrass, so def some non-specialist appeal.xpost George, this was from the late 90s, cos xxhux and I were agreeing we were relatively impressed, considering it was Hagar, and this was during same intial discussion of that new fella, Kid Rock.

don, Saturday, 12 November 2005 20:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I actually liked Trailer Bride's 2001 *High Seas* album enough that I still own it, even though I was probably at the height of my alt-country-hate-dom when it came out. Not sure *why* I liked it, though. Maybe the singing. I should play it again sometime soon.

Used '90s c&w CDs I bought for me for $3 each while Xmas shopping on St Marks today:

Linda Davis - Shoot for the Moon (I still own her '98 I'm Yours, so must've liked it once)
Gary Allan - It Would Be You
Cleve Francis - You've Got Me Now
Moe Bandy & Joe Stampley - Greatest Hits
T. Graham Brown - Wine Into Water

(Also bought CDs by Daddy Freddy, Chaka Demus & Pliers, Al B. Sure, and Propaganda for the same fee.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 12 November 2005 23:30 (nineteen years ago) link

In attendance: Caramanica, Sanneh, Breihan, Eddy

Considering rock critics' newfound obsession with designer labels: Did you know they don't leave tags on their hats like Minnie Pearl anymore? Well, they don't, so there! Actually, the most interesting thing is the graphic that compares Caramanica's, Eddy's, and Sanneh's mid '90s publicity photos to their much more fashionable (and way hotter, though don't tell anyone I said that) recent ones.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 13 November 2005 02:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Just checked out Erika Jo's "I Break Things" video at Launch Yahoo. Starts with slippery violin descents. Erika looks somewhat like Mariah Carey, at least more than the average country chick looks like Mariah Carey. I like this song, but it doesn't feel punk, which I bring up due to my and Chuck's discussion on the Ashlee Simpson Emo or Oh no? thread in regard to punk by nonpunks often being better (and more punk) than punk by punks. My punk song of the year is Miranda Lambert's "Kerosene," 'cause it's about blowing things to pieces and has a maniacally obsessive sound to match, with Ashlee's "I Am Me" a good solid second for the way she dons a Courtney voice and lacerates her ex with it, dancing on the shards as the song winds down. (Don't know if there have been any other high-quality accidental - much less intentional - punk tracks this year. When's the next Montgomery Gentry? They're punks for sure, and I don't mean that altogether as a compliment.)

You guys ignore the Ashlee thread at my own peril; when you read the thread you'll see what I mean, if you can't guess already. Had to count to 100 first nearly every time I wanted to post.

Let's see, where was I? Oh yeah, "I Break Things" doesn't feel punk, despite Erika Jo's affinity for broken glass. It's a funny song. Not that punk can't be funny, but this is just oh so cheery amidst its destruction. It's so innocent. The lyrics give the videomakers all the direction they need. Erika Jo merrily sings and prances while around her windows shatter, dishes crack, amps explode, walls tumble. Despite the mayhem, she doesn't really want to destroy passersby, just tease them. "So if you wanna hold me boy, you better watch your heart/'Cause I break things."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 13 November 2005 02:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Launch Yahoo also has a dozen clips of Erika Jo's live performances on the Nashville Star talent search (she won, a year or two after Miranda Lambert came in third). I checked out three of them: "Here for the Party" was the best, her voice swinging into the tune. And she inserts a callout to Bret Michaels! (I'm guessing he was in attendance.) "You're No Good," she doesn't quite nail it, but she doesn't douse it in too much feeling the way Linda had, either. "She's in Love with the Boy," she goes flat a bit but sings with spirit.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 13 November 2005 02:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm wondering how Ricky Martin's "I Don't Care" would work as a good country song; it's got your basic freestyle/reggaeton mournfulness, a style of emotionalism that country doesn't touch, Not that country isn't full of emotionalism, just not that Latino sliding-note wail. Unless some of the country-soul guys pull it off, someone like T. Graham Brown, which he may well do. I'll have to listen more. I'm just spouting off ignorantly at the moment.

I usually watch Launch Yahoo at their Music In Spanish site, because it gives you access to everything on the American site but has far fewer commercials. Anyway, after playing the video you'd chosen, they'll throw you to the video they're pushing that week, which at the moment is "I Don't Care." Starts with a sitar twang and Asian violins, both of which could transfer to country music, though it would be an interesting stretch. Maybe when Timbaland starts producing country acts he could introduce this.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 13 November 2005 03:06 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost All the best punks are female or female-led now(ne'mind "grrlz"/"gurls"/"girls"/"women"): Slunt, Sleater-Kinney (OTHEMAGAINYEAHYOUHAVENTHEARDITSODONTYAWWWN), Texas Terri('s Your Ass*My Face, if not Eat Shit + 1, which I haven't heard);more toward the pop-punk, Jerra and Tralala.(Linda Davis, Linda Hargrove: what did they do, other than the latter singing with Coe? Their names are so familiar). Just heard yet another new-to-me good bluegrass singer, Alecia Nugent, said to be controversial cos don't play an instrument. Just about all the bluegrass singers I like are females, inclu a bunch I prev mentioned on here. Must listen to Maybelles.(Freakwater, based on pregrass moutain tunes, started as punks; still are, basically, in the modern Southern Gothic sense, if you can include Emily Dickinson, Patricia Highsmith,Jane Bowles,Dylan, and William Blake in there with Flannery O'Connor, Dorothy Allison, Cormac MacCarthy)(some Mary Gaitskillian uncanniness too, though she's not twisted, like they can be.) Somehow I don't think of Miranda as punk, but maybe I should.I think Trailer Bride's Melissa Swingle's worked with another band since TB.

don, Sunday, 13 November 2005 03:29 (nineteen years ago) link

New Th' Legendary Shack Shakers album sounds really good

Yep Roc took me off their promo list after I reviewed the last one for the Voice. And I gave it a good review.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 13 November 2005 05:06 (nineteen years ago) link

some Mary Gaitskillian uncanniness too, though she's not twisted, like they can be.

Probably a minority opinion, Don. You should have heard the comments from my coworkers at Woodward-Clyde Consultants when they found out I knew her.

(It was her birthday yesterday. She wrote me that she was exhausted from flying around the country doing readings.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 13 November 2005 07:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I need to get Mary's new book.

Trailer Bride' singing (i.e., Melissa Swindle's) turns out to be a little held back. Not bad for alt-country, not nearly a schoolmarm or anything, but still. She draws a blank how Neko Case or somebody like that does (inasmuch as I remember what Neko even sounds like.) More likely what I like(d) about them is the dark rythymic and melodic waltz swirl of tunes like (especially) "The Ghost of Mae West." which reminds me a lot of Don's beloved Mollys (and where Melissa's vocal draws much less of a blank than in their uh, blankier tracks).

xhuxk, Sunday, 13 November 2005 16:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Oops, Swingle not Swindle (and the waltzier stuff *does* swingle, somewhat. And I'm not saying the rest is a swindle or anything, either.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 13 November 2005 16:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, they have a real cool chamber-group sea-shantey oompah from harmonicas and banjos and standup bass and whatnot (most of the more eccentric instruments including musical saw apparently played by melissa herself), but it really starts swirling most when she stops singing. her voice does swirl *some*, though. "high seas" and "barcelona" are also real good tracks. and with this kinda southern gothic klezmer and western routine i much prefer her voice to the waits-ish beatnik grunting shtick you get all the time in brooklyn these days. somehow trailer bride don't come off like mere swingle-revival kitsch...also, the first song is called "jesco," and she says "dance jesco dance," so i guess that'd be jesco white, right edd? also noticed jescois thanked (*before* ric flair) in the liner notes to the new 2-cd rancid vat retrospective (which is on steel cage, george, just fyi.)

that t. graham brown CD I bought is great, maybe even better (and more southern soul-and-blues oriented) than his one from last year. "wine into water" itself turns out to be another alcoholism recovery song; that opens the record, he's asking jesus if he can turn wine into water, but eventually the album ends with a gospel number where jesus turns water into wine. my favorite track so far is "good days bad days"; there's more where that came from though. i had the CD in the changer with the cleve francis one, seeing if I could guess who was who. usually i could, but i'm real interested in figuring out what soul/r&b influence if any is in cleve's music. ( not that there *has* to be a soul/r&b influence, but with most black country singers, ray charles and lionel richie and stoney edwards and big al downing and cowboy troy, it's obvious. cleve was one of the few black singers to hit the country charts in the '90s; also a heart surgeon, i think. neal mccoy, who looks black in most photos but i've never heard him described as such, apparently covered kool and the gang's "celebration" at a u.s.o, event last year, according to today's *times magazine; he's also had small hints of rap in his music. i have no idea what his actual ethnic background is; he was hitting around the same time cleve was though. there also seem to have been more hispanics on the country charts then than now, too -- rick trevino and emlio crossed back and forth from tejano music, i think. i saw an emilio country album for $3 yesterday too, and maybe should have bought it too, and i could have answered frank''s question about Latino sliding notes.) anyway, with cleve, there's *something* there, slightly in his voice, i think, but that early '90s pop-country sound is so prozac'd out, so anal compulsively smoothed into muzak, that it's hard to put my finger on what -- inasmuch as there's soul music in his voice, it's filtered through kenny rogers or maybe charlie pride (who i've never listened to much, and should more) or somebody, Interesting. But mostly...boring! at least a couple songs i like, regardless -- one where his wife leaves him and takes the tools from the shed. still, listening to this it's actually not hard to see why the alt-country guys in the '90s thought they were adding edge to country music, because this music is unbelievably edgeless. when did things change? garth and shania, i suppose?

xhuxk, Sunday, 13 November 2005 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

As for the Latin wail in country, just a wild (and obvious) guess, but Freddie Fender maybe? I'm guessing Emilio (who i think crossed from regional mexican to country) and Trevino (who crossed i think in the opposite direction) may have been sort of watered down Freddies, though I'm not sure what that watering down would entail. (And what about Johnny Rodriguez? Not sure I ever even heard him; should I? David Allan Coe has that line about Rodriguez stealing a goat, too; what was that about?)

xhuxk, Sunday, 13 November 2005 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I guess Coe is referring to how Rodriguez got his start. The story goes that the teenage Johnny got busted for stealing and BBQing a goat in Sabinal TX, wound up in jail and stayed there for months (he was too ashamed to call his folks for bail), started singing in the clink, and the Ranger who busted him liked his voice enough to get him a job as a singing cowboy at some circus/amusement park. Tom T Hall and Bobby Bare heard him and told him to go to Nashville. Sounds like total BS, save that country history is filled with such weirdness.

I love Rodriguez: His voice has a calm, easy going sex appeal, totally unaffected in its authority, like he woke up some morning and discovered he sounded like Merle Haggard, shrugged, and kept singing. He was fairly huge in the ‘70s. My favorite album of his is the first one. If you like that lean but somehow lush early ‘70s, Jerry Kennedy Mercury sound, it’s essential. Worth hearing is his comeback of sorts on Hightone, You Can Say That Again, though it might be too singersongwriter-aligned for some. I always thought Rodriguez should do an entire album of Joe South tunes, but then I think every singer I like should do that!

Roy Kasten, Sunday, 13 November 2005 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, and Chuck's right about the direction of Rick Trevino's career, though I don't think he's had that much success with tejano audiences. Mi Son was sweet, but kind of a boutique trad album. He's got a new record coming out produced by Raul Malo, who did his last one, which I liked but didn't love. Does anybody else dig the new Los Super Seven CD, which I don't think has been mentioned on this thread? Trevino and Fender duke it out on some song called Cupido, and I wonder if even native Spanish speakers could understand what the hell Fender is singing. And John Hiatt does a garagy I'm Not that Kat (Anymore), which seems like a gratuitous gesture. And speaking of Malo, I saw him in St. Louis a few weeks back. He's touring with just a piano player, doing the power-latin-Vegas thing, and doing it well. After the show, Malo went back to the Ritz for mass quantites of amaretto on ice and cigars, and took piano-bar requests for a couple hours.

Roy Kasten, Sunday, 13 November 2005 20:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks, Roy, you should post here more! Feel free to comment on anything up above, too.

>Montgomery Gentry? They're punks for sure, and I don't mean that altogether as a compliment.)<

..especially considering their libertarian-punk treatise "You Beat Your Brat (I'll Beat Mine)."

xhuxk, Sunday, 13 November 2005 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

After the show, Malo went back to the Ritz for mass quantites of amaretto on ice and cigars, and took piano-bar requests for a couple hours.

!!!

That sounds like exactly what Raul Malo should be doing, wish I could see it.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 13 November 2005 20:44 (nineteen years ago) link

>- one where his wife leaves him and takes the tools from the shed. <

Well, that's what probably REALLY happened, but when he calls the police, he tells them "it must have been a gang of those who run around town dressed up in women''s clothes," it turns out! Song is called "The Only Explanation." I also like "Not Even Monday," which has something to do with going to work or whatever. As does Linda Davis's great "Company Time," which I think was probably a hit. She also turns '20s shootin-creek proto-country into '90s post-Juice Newton pop county with "Shoot for the Moon," and "He's in Dallas" is real good too. Another great song on the T Graham Brown album I bought is "Memphis Women and Chicken," which Edd Hurt should definitely hear. The '98 Gary Allan album I bought has plenty of good songs on it; best may or may not be "No Man is his Wrong Heart"," "Forgotten, But Not Gone," and apparent hidden murder song following the latter.

My favorite song so far on the Rancid Vat 2-CD set is their take on "Hot and Nasty" by Black Oak Arkansas, who are also sampled (along with Skynyrd) on the new Rev Run mini-LP, which despite lasting 23 minutes is very hard to get through. (I tried hard to like it.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 13 November 2005 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link

"No Man IN His Wrong Heart," I mean.

xhuxk, Sunday, 13 November 2005 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I finally listened to Coe's Penitentiary Blues, and as the title suggests, it's small-combo hard-rocking blues from start to finish. It lacks any specifically country signifiers that I can tell; not that country isn't full of blues (in fact, at this point it's full of blues and r&b isn't), but usually it nods at least nominally towards c&w - a fiddle or two, or something cracker-like in the voice. I have no clue when the album came out, though, and as usual I'm talking through my hat, since there may have been a period (Charlie Daniels' early years? Hank Jrs?) when hard blues was so standard in country as to be just another subset; one of you will have to instruct me. Might Coe have not initially been aiming for the country audience?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 14 November 2005 02:39 (nineteen years ago) link

It was released in '69, and the scrawny nicotine benzedrine blues thang (I'm sure George can suggest some specific 2nd-3rd tier bands, but it's late) prob was aimed at least as much at a rock audience as country.That drummer is first-tier; says a lot of Coe that he isn't upstaged, even if he repeats the late-60s-white-blues-guy-mojo-jive a couple tracks too many.(See the thing I wrote in Voice in '99 about him touring with Grand Funk in '69 etc etc: some stylistic schumtz in that piece, but a basically accurate, early look at his very very early look at the rock/country crossover potential, way before the suits finally followed what a lot of Southern and other kids had been doing all along; also relating his "Suicide" to Slim Shady,tho' Em's music is usually stronger than that[particular] Coe track, but basically does go with his compulsive Coe Show-totem-totin'hufnpuf) Sorry bout all the lit references I dumped on Freakwater; not fair to them to hype like that. The Trailer Bride album I have and like is Whine De Lune; she's got that ever-rolling drawl over "two strong arms, that are lawng as they are thin." (She wants to work on the railroad, she's always got some plan, some history you'll never get all of, because there's no time, for one thing.) Earlier this year Swingle did a 2-woman punk-blues thing with Laura King of Grand National (another Carolina band, like TB): the Moaners they are, but forgot title. Neko was good with Maow, arty punk girls, and her albums The Virginian and Furnace Room Lullaby have this rusty warehouse skylight atmosphere, like if Coe's P.Blues was their stepdad on Death Row. (Never been established he was in the Pen at all, but his album's real enough, and not that different, vibe-wise, from Charlie Manson's Lie, although no chickies.) Also she was good as one of the Corn Sisters, with Carolyn Mark, sort of like the Everly Sisters (with some kinks, but so had the Brothers). And their buddy Kelly Hogan's Beneath The Underdog, with a bunch of Langford's crew, is real good.They're all three arty but artful and earthy. And Neal McCoy's half-Filipino; think his Dad was Missippi military (WASP?)

don, Monday, 14 November 2005 06:49 (nineteen years ago) link

"some stylistic *schmutz* in that piece," I meant (also, its rapneck connection was before he actually hooked up with xpost that new Kid Rock fella, or before I heard of it). Despite Neko's efforts, I never cared anything about the New Pornographers, speaking of xpost a minority opinion. (A minority of one, among reviewers.)

don, Monday, 14 November 2005 07:15 (nineteen years ago) link

> i'm real interested in figuring out what soul/r&b influence if any is in cleve's music<

Turns out it's blatant, in a way -- For one thing, he does a duet with Patti Austin on the album that's way more adult-contemporary r&b than c&w. And "It Ain't Gonna Worry My Mind", which is beautiful, is some kind of missing link between Hoagy Carmichael's blues influence and Brooks and Dunn's r&b ballad influence; it also sorta reminds me of some adult soul-ish singer (in post-Nat King Cole/Johnny Mathis mode maybe?) I can't quite put my finger on -- James Ingram or Al Jarraeu or Jeffry Osbourne or one of those guys I never listen to. So: less boring than I thought. Cleve has a vulnerable-but-reliable sad-sack-with-hard-luck persona, a strong handsome fella you'd like to bring home to mom and dad, though given that he may well have been a successful heart surgeon, so how much hard luck could have faced? (OK, a lot, obviously. But when the hell did he find time to sing?)

> there may have been a period when hard blues was so standard in country as to be just another subset<

Yep, circa 1929-1936! (Though it may well happened again later.)

xhuxk, Monday, 14 November 2005 14:05 (nineteen years ago) link

im mildly annoyed at nickel creek this week, as they have been covering toxic by britney in concert, in a smug, self statisfied way, that blue grass always seems to have (being more pure and more true. then anything else)

aside from the poistionus irony, it did showcase the lyrics, which were much better then i thot it was...

also read my (country) and/or (western) thread...

anthony, Monday, 14 November 2005 14:23 (nineteen years ago) link

may well HAVE happened again later
how much hard luck could HE have faced

(hey, it's Monday.)

xp

ps) what "country) and/or (western) thread" is that, anthony?

xhuxk, Monday, 14 November 2005 14:24 (nineteen years ago) link

in january, i heard the best tejano/marichi band in the toronto ritz...suits and everything--but more grounded then theatrical, strange place to see them i guess, but the raul story sort of confirms its

anthony, Monday, 14 November 2005 14:31 (nineteen years ago) link

(country) &/or (western)
here chuck

i am going back to the rodeo for barrell racing on monday, so i will find titles and artists

anthony, Monday, 14 November 2005 14:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Aaaaaargh! Okay, it turns out Cleve tells the cops the "gang of those who run around town dressed up in women''s clothes" actually clear out his WIFE's closet (which kinda makes sense when you think about it) and *don't* take his power tools from the shed. (Also, his Patti Austin duet is extremely mushy, but at least lushly mushy, I guess.)

xhuxk, Monday, 14 November 2005 15:02 (nineteen years ago) link

and yeah, speaking of beating with baseball bats: that's actually the subject of the best track by far on gary allan's '98 *it would be you,* the hidden untitled slow-walking/slow-talking ballad which starts around 4:12 on track 11 after the real track 11 has ended. two thugs come into a small-town store and clobber an 80-year-old guy working there named willie with a bat, and leave him lying dead on the freezer floor where his wife amelia finds him, and they steal $6 and some beer after the murder, and (not as interestingly) gary takes it all as an example of how we've let society slip away if we let our kids to do stuff so horrible even though "i know my anger is not politically co...", well, he never says "correct," i'm not sure why. (second best track is "no man in his wrong heart," mainly for how he sings it. then "forgotten but not gone," "it would be you," "red lips, blues eyes, little white lies." not as great as his last three CDs; he's definitely sharpened over time, both in the sense of singing smarter and getting smarter songs. but he was good then too.)

xhuxk, Monday, 14 November 2005 15:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I've got that '98 Allan CD coming; been totally down with the flu these last five days or so, just deathly ill, dark thoughts of avian-pandemic chicken sandwich..a drag, just now getting back to feeling halfway normal. anyway, the new Allan just keeps growing on me, esp. "Nickajack Cave." good for those dark moments where you lie on your back and try to get some, uh, chicken-noodle soup down your gullet. picked up two Bobbie Cryner CDs from the '90s but haven't even listened to them yet, and looking to get into the new Merle Haggard sometime tomorrow. I listened to the newish Robert Cray record, and thought how cool it'd be if he made a country kinda record in Nashville.

anyway, here's my pop-centric take on Big & Rich for Nashville Scene:
http://www.nashscene.com/Stories/Arts/Music/2005/11/10/Big_Beat_Populists/index.shtml

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 01:17 (nineteen years ago) link

ha, cool! And get well soon, Edd! (My neighbor's got a dovecote jammed right up against the fence, speaking of avian.)

don, Tuesday, 15 November 2005 01:40 (nineteen years ago) link

So...The CMAs. Did anybody watch em on TV? I was THERE, for the first couple hours anyway. That Sara Evans "Cheatin'" song sounded great; I may have to buy the album. May have to buy the new Kenny Chesney too; he opened with a totally Stones-riffed new rocker about being a "country rock star" whose life was moving way too fast and he needs to get off the road and relax, but not in this song. (Still haven't heard Toby Keith's or Keith Anderson's albums from this year either, for whatever that's worth.) After Kenny C, Beeg und Reech did "Comin to the City," which was loads of fun. Kenny has way long hair now. Jon Pareles says in this morning's Times something about how "the song starts country-rock and turns into disco"; is "disco" really right? Sounded way more funk to me there at the show, but it's a fine line, and Jon is usually pretty precise about such things, so I hope he's right! They do seem to love mirror balls, that's for sure. Then Sara -- again, great. Leann Womack won all the awards; I guess that's 'cause the CMAimsters respect her "traditional country sound"; I still hear soul music in it though (in Sara's song too for that matter), which might be why I like it. Leann did "20 Years and 2 Husbands Ago"; okay, maybe not as great as "I May Hate Myself In the Morinng" (CMA song and single of the year off the album of the year, not bad for what I think is considered a bit of a commercial flop, or am I wrong about that?), but the 20 Years 2 Husbands song sure does have a great chorus, and Leann has lovely hair and a warm spirit when she accepts awards at which time she sometimes also chews gum.

Miranda Lambert, "Kerosene": holy fuck what a STOMP that song is, she used her guitar as a prop at the start, tossed it to somebody, then flames starting shooting up all around her on stage. Sugarland's song rocked to; the drummer KILLED; George is totally right about the Bad Company angle. But he's not in the band per se, I guess, and neither is the totally scraggly looking long-hair rock guitarist dressed in black behind them. But their dykey looking big girl and nerdy looking skinny guy ARE in the band-per-se', and it pisses me off that on the monitors showing the TV show they only showed the more conventionally pretty looking lead singer, as if they're a solo act not a trio; what the fuck? They've become big stars from the grass roots level up; does the record company or CBS or whoever really think the two cool oddball looking members are liabilities? To hell with 'em. (Not to hell with Sugarland, though. I like them. After their song, Bon Jovi did one, and the Sugarland pretty girl joined Jon halfway through, pretty much putting him to shame. Kinda neat he was there, though.)

Alan Jackson covered "Wonderful Tonight" by Eric Clapton, sang it better than Eric used to, I'd say; is that song *supposed* to sound totally suicidal and cynical and sarcastic (like the guy singing is totally tired of life despite his gorgeous wife of apparently several decades), or is that my imagination? Always kinda hit me that way when Eric sang it too, but Alan sang it better. He still doesn't have a personality though. And neither does George Strait who sounded, uh, okay in his straight way I suppose; I guess I see why people claim he has a great voice, and the arrangement was slightly jazzy, and there was possibly even a chord change in there somewhere, and the song (advice to a male friend in love with a "high toned woman" who's out of his league) was kinda intriguing, but despite all that, damn, what a fucking BORE. I don't get it. All the ELEMENTS are there, but it just goes by as "another George Straight song, just like hundreds of others." He has this way of singing words without remotely embodying them or something; Alan's like that, too, but he did better last night. How can people get excited about these guys? Oh well. Maybe their fans are the kind of people who don't *like* to get excited.

Um, what else? Martina McBride was the dullest performance of the evening (at least til we left the arena), doing a completely sexless and un-ominous "Help Me Make It Through the Night," the words of which I do not believe she remotely understands. (I never made it through her covers album, and hereby know I never will.) Gretchen did a ballad about how she was gonna resist having sex with some guy she's apparently tired of but she knew she'd have sex anyway; I didn't understand the "I still have 16 hours to go" line? Maybe it's wake-up sex? Or she's a trucker on the road, and it's pitstop sex? I dunno. I suppose she sang it good, and her stage demeanor adequately communicated the obligatory Gretchenness, but it was still a snooze, and I still don't understand why she bothers with ballads. Keith Urban was fun. He's fun to look at. He doesn't wash his hair. Or okay, I know, he looks like he just got off his surfboard and it's still wet and so are all the ladies screaming for him. What a himbo! He won male country singer of the year, which is ridiculous, because he's got like the most average voice on earth. His beat sounded more disco than Big & Rich's to my ears. The music was total late '70s Starbuck/King Harvest/Little River Band soft afternoon rock; in theory I should LOVE it, but his songs never leave an effect on me until he takes a guitar solo, which he never does anyway near long enough, since perhaps it's assumed his audience demographic does not like guitar solos? Could be. A shame, because he can play. I think all he needs are better songs, but maybe since he always just rolled out of bed or off the waves he's too sleepy and lazy to hunt around for good ones. (I want to develop a theory about how himbos like Keith and Dierks and Billy Currington are the sensitve Noels and Timmy Ts and Coros up against Miranda's and Sara's and Gretchen's tough Lisette Melendezes and Corinas and Judy Torreses or whoever, but I haven't given it much thought yet, and I'm probably wrong, since the country boys are never sad enough, plus they don't own any Depeche Mode records.) I forget what else....oh yeah, Faith and Tim doing that stupid sexless adult contemporary ballad off Faith's album. They have, like, no chemistry at all with each other on stage as far as I can tell. I think I like Tim's voice slightly more (at least when they sing that song together); he's slightly more r&b. But what mush. Um, that's about it, unless I remember something else...

(Oh yeah, Willie Nelson and Paul Simon trading "Still Crazy After All These Years" and "Crazy"; that was nice. And Vince Gill presenting an award in a Sopranos accent. And lots of unfunny New York jokes. Word is the show ended with a Dolly/Elton "Imagine" duet, but I missed it.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 16 November 2005 14:39 (nineteen years ago) link

i saw it, xhuxk.

its weird, obv. the hillbilly rockstar thing seems really out of place wrt chesney, and the personae doesnt match--i cannot imagine chesney smoking or eating greasy cheese burgers or anything else mentioned in that song. its like big blue note and toby keith at the shrinx. i have my review of the new chesney coming up on stylus, and the album is shit--dull, and badly sung.

i really really love womack, her dress her performance, her accent and her wins. dolly ever subtly, off stage singing about jesus w. paisley may be the best jesus moment of the year, and lord knows we need it (and it maintains my suppostion that he is the best hymn singer we got singing right now.)

willie nelson's voice is shot, fucked...nothing we can do about it, hes just got to work around it, he did it here a bit, but not as much as johnny cash when he was in a similar situtuation...speaking of johnny cash, man does juaqauin phoneix have a massive cock (and he is way to handsome to play johnny)

sara evans was v. good for the first 3/4s, subtle, restrained, intesne and moving, then she got into that fluttery vibrato shit ,and it blew what ever else she had.

tim has a better voice then faith, its weird they are doing such an anti love song, though i am glad that it has a bit of bile to it, cause im really sick of the perfection of their realtionship, the saccharine true love stuff, which may/may not be true but is v. v. v. boring.

i agree totally wrt martina macbride but at least she is not singing songs like gods will, and anything that brings KK more into the spotliight is okay. I think that she has a pristine and precise voice, and i like listening to her--but her choice of material is just nights.

the kersone song does not have nearly enough of the burn the mother fucker down belting anger/ its actually fairly calm for an ode to revenge arson.

the elton/dolly thing was pure and unadultrated bad taste camp--and for an evening so intensely polite, madly needed...

the willie/paul thing was a cool formal trick, but what else do you expect people so clever?

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 14:56 (nineteen years ago) link

i mean the fire should come from her voice and not the pyrotechincs on the stage--whats the montgormery gentry song about thunder makes noise while lightening does the work

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link

speaking of not getting shit--whats with the sugarland love, they seem really really boring to me, i mean not as boring as kieth urban but pretty damn clsoe

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 15:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, I forgot Brad P: not hard to do, though I like him more than I did 12 months ago. He just sat there like a lump on a stool, no guitar solos, no alcohol, nothing. I walked out to take a pee on that one, and get another beer but MSG had already closed the refreshment stands wtf? (I mean his solo tune; wasn't there for no Jesus songs, though I hear Carrie Underwood did hers which I've yet to hear later and Brooks and Dunn hired a gospel choir to do their ode to losing school board candidates of Dover PA or whatever the hell it is.)

Miranda's fire is from the STOMP. The riffs, the beat. But her voice stomps and burns, too. She would've been great even without the fire.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 16 November 2005 15:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't see it all, but Sara Evans was OK. I wish she had done one of the faster songs on the album, "Bible Song" or the single. How many commericals are Big & Rich on now? There seemed to be a hundred or so. Still like them but still...

Holy moley Miranda Lambert kicked ass. Loved the song, the fire and her voice, which I thought had plenty of heat in it. I'm listening to her album again and finding more stuff on it that I love. She's opening for George Strait here January (along with Tracy Lawrence --boo) and I can't wait.

werner t., Wednesday, 16 November 2005 15:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I was home with my kids so we watched "My Name Is Earl" and basketball instead. I suck.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 15:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Good call on Keith Urban. My wife dragged me to one of his Irving Plaza shows. I often can't tell when a guy is good looking, but this guy is good looking. His audience is nuts. Mostly out-of-towners, mostly (obv) women. Between songs they hold up homemade signs with clever messages implying that they want a kiss or a hug or something more. One or two get asked up to the stage for a kiss or a hug (nothing more).

One woman tied a Chistmas bow around his waist, which he said looked "a little gay," in charming obliviousness of where he was. He doesn't seem to have much of a sense of humor. He's a screaming lead guitarist though, and did get to stretch out on a couple of songs. He was showing off his stage moves just as much as his chops. But yeah, to me the songs themselves are sub-Bon-Jovi nothingness, 'cept for one or two. Which didn't stop the crowd from singing all the words.

I think you can stream his Irving Plaza show from the night after we saw him, on the AOL site.

Sang Freud (jeff_s), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh wait, I also left out that Garth Brooks Chris Ledeux ode, live from Times Square because, uh, he was too important to walk ten blocks south to the Garden or something. I'd never heard it before. Don't think if heard Chris Ledeux much before either. Anyway, I like the song, maybe a lot. It rocks. Garth: Still shameless after all these years. (By the way, is there a new album coming out? Judging from a full page ad in yesterday's Times, you have to buy, like, a limited edition six-disc box set available only next Tuesday at Walmart or some shit to get this one single song! Not that I looked at the ad that closely, but hey, Garth needs the record sales if he's going to stay one of the biggest selling artists in the history of the universe, and this would mean he could enter the charts at #1, right? I wouldn't put it past him. Though I much prefered the patriotic pro-union Walmart vs. America full-page ad the day before, with Walmart moneybags doing a tug of the war for the Yoonited States against Unca Sam. Hope it also runs in papers read by folks in places where there are actually Walmarts. Looked like that was the idea.)

xp

xhuxk, Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Speaking of country himbos, here's Jon Caramanica via email about the Dierks show here the other night (which I missed, though now I wish I didn't):

>by the way, did i severely underestimate the number of dierks bentley fans in NY, or the number of pat green fans? last night, the nokia was overflowing with people - fans - who clearly knew all the words to dierks, which was weird, because all the other country shows were clearly industry affairs. but dude, dierks! growing into his manhood! 24 year old girls in cowboy hats who are clearly transplants from the midwest, as opposed to the jerseyites who go to the toby shows. it was as if Vanderbilt frat row had been beamed in from tennessee. bizarre and awesome.<

xhuxk, Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, stuff Dylan Hicks tells me he hears on the new B&R CD: Richard and Linda Thompson's "Just the Motion" ("possibly coincidental") in "Never Mind"; "Thom York timbre on Rich's tenor harmony vocals in a few spots"; "R.E.M.'s cover of 'Superman' and some Manchester sound single that I can't think of" in "Blow My Mind."

xhuxk, Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:34 (nineteen years ago) link

and ok, in case you missed them, tom breihan on the CMAs:

http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/archives/2005/11/backstage_at_th_1.php

tom on the friday monkey gentry show:

http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/archives/2005/11/countrys_rightw_1.php

frank kogan on the new big & rich:

http://dev.villagevoice.com/music/0546,kogan,70003,22.html

xhuxk, Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link

chuck
the garth thing is avaible on the interweb, get someone to burn it for you, if it isnt an ethical thing
best thing that he has done in years,

i really dont get the fire in the lambert, etc (though i didnt get it w. hicktown and well i do now)

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 17:05 (nineteen years ago) link

frank kogan is fucking birlliant, and thats he best review of b and r ive encountered.

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 17:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Shotgun Shack (see www.shotgun-shack.com) "My Guitar is a Memory" is really good if you think of it as a single with four extraneous alt-country B-sides ("recorded live one afternoon at Loho Studios in NYC"), less so if you think of it as an EP; your choice. I guess the second best song is "Welcome Back to the Nest." Title cut (opening couplet: "I got left outside of Austin, my guitar's still in the truck/Daaaaale Watson says he just ran out of luck") kicks much ass.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 16 November 2005 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link

(Sadly, the best track, at 2:27, is the shortest song of five. Also the fastest, more cowpunk than alt-country. Final track is 5:16, pretty tedious. But at least they knew which song was the good one; they lead off with it; why don't they do more songs like it though?)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 16 November 2005 22:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Fun with the National Review.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 23:51 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/review.php?ID=3555

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 17 November 2005 04:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Anthony, thank you kindly. Also, the Voice is now running readers comments with the reviews, which is great and long overdue, but it does prove that most of my negative commentary about Voice management decisions overlooks the fact - one that management must cope with every week - that Voice readers are IDIOTS! At least the one who wrote, to me, "[Big & Rich] make no mention anywhere of saying 'no black people with us please' in fact they even record with black rapper Cowboy Troy and it seems to me that you are just trying to stir up racial hatred whereas, to be honest, there clearly isn't any."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 17 November 2005 05:22 (nineteen years ago) link

You shit-stirrer, Frank, you no-goodnik.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 November 2005 05:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Here's the link to Nick Sylvester's piece about playing train with the chickens.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 17 November 2005 05:53 (nineteen years ago) link

> "My Guitar is a Memory"...kicks much ass. <

Okay, not THAT much, turns out. Just a *little* ass. More ass than other tracks on the EP, that's for sure. But probably not enough to ass to write home about. And it's "My Guitar is My Memory," actually.

Oddly, the stupid Voice reader who responded to Frank didn't seem all *that* stupid until she started saying Frank degraded B&R's work. (Maybe this is just her pat response to every Big & Rich review on the Net? By the way, did anybody notice that C- in *Entertainment Weekly*? New album got a critical *Billboard* review, too; weird.) Anyway, despite her inability to read (though no more of an inability to read than certain regular ILX posters who will go unnamed here -- not on this thread, though, don't get me wrong!), she actually says some non-stupid things in her long post. ("I have yet to hear a song that even speaks of issues such as; disability, 'met a girl in a chair with wheels, but no-one else would see her' in such a frank and honest way...They remind me of songs such as 'What Is Truth" (Johnny Cash) which are brutally honest...They may not be strictly country music, from my own knowledge of music their song 'Rollin' (The Ballad Of Big & Rich)' is in dropped D a favourite tuning for rock artists coupled with a mixture of Spanish rapping. They may not be everything a country artist is supposed to be, but music is changing, my friend, the mixing of genres is becoming ever more prominent in our society (take, for example, hip-hop artist Nelly's duet with country artist Tim McGraw -Over and Over Again- hardly Nelly's usual music)". Also, she's 17 (I assume Superniki is a "she," anyway). Give her a break!

xhuxk, Thursday, 17 November 2005 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh wait, it's "SuperRoadie"; I don't know if that means the "super.niki" at the bottom of the post should be taken to be less female or not. Either way, 17 is 17. And as I said, the response is really curious; it doesn't seem like a repsonse to this particular article; it seems like something that SuperRoadie posts whenever he or she sees something negative about Big & Rich on the Net. In a way, the "They make no mention anywhere of saying 'no black people with us please' in fact they even record with black rapper Cowboy Troy" seems curiously in *agreement* with Frank's "they as good as declare that country isn't real country music unless it includes black people"; SuperWhoever could almost be setting up Big & Rich in opposition to the racial barriers in the rest of country music, which is what Frank talks about at the end. But maybe not. Maybe he/she's just an idiot.

xhuxk, Thursday, 17 November 2005 14:57 (nineteen years ago) link

(On the other hand, the post DOES sort of assume that whoever it's responding to initially accused Big & Rich of racism, I guess. And I don't know that anybody's ever accused them of that. Way more often, they've received hate screeds *from* racists -- these are all over the Net; google uncovers them in mere seconds. So maybe SuperRoadie just read Frank's review, but skipped every other word or something.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 17 November 2005 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Well maybe this is the place for my ancedote dealing with a Warren Bros./Big&Rich/Brooks & Dunn show (also known as C.Eddy's dream bill tour) in Arkansas. In the bathroom after Big&Rich (second on the bill), which was wicked fun of course and included Cowboy Troy on Ballad of B&R and I Play Chicken with the Train, I'm in the bathroom and, as I was washing my hands I hear an obviously drunk guy talk to friends about how he likes B&R and that Cowboy Troy was good, you know, for a nig....

B&R are going head to head against latent racism and yeah it's still out there but I like to believe they are winning.

werner t., Thursday, 17 November 2005 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

seems like maybe the poster replying to Frank's piece maybe *was* responding to it--the bit about how blacks aren't allowed in the parade or something? perhaps that smug America-is-bad thing--your "country," if you can call it that...?

which misses the point, I think, that black people are fine in showbiz. for a lot of rednecks I've talked to around here, Cowboy Troy in Big & Rich is just another wacky spectacle, with no underlying message except "novelty group, they doin' crazy things." and that's what I get when the local station here, The Beaver, plays, infrequently, "Comin' "--those crazy guys are at it again. Which is why I refer to that song in my review as a beer commercial--I have nothing against beer commercials per se, but what I get (here in this last holdout of real racism, northwest middle Tennessee with the past as tobacco racism standing in for the more common past as cotton racism, except now all the workers you see doing that nasty work of pulling tobacco--everywhere around here--are Mexicans, with the concurrent jokes about *them* just as virulent as the jokes about "nigs" now) is a kind of half-subversive halftime show mentality from those tunes. And is not a putdown, either, I admire Big & Rich more and more for their canniness, and realize that it ain't people like me they're really aiming their music at. None of my music-obsessed friends around here much care about 'em one way or the other, but do kinda like the pop stuff, or at least see that they're trying to do several different things at once (I'd love to hear what Big & Rich *left off* this record, actually)...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 17 November 2005 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost good point on the Big & Rich/Richard & Linda T. association, and I spotted another in my Nash Scene comments last year, re the "met a man on the street last night"etc and overall drawwllll self-hypnosis/R & L.'s "lose my mind and dance forver, turn my wor-ld, arouoouuunndd" 'ang on Sufi (archived at http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com)

don, Thursday, 17 November 2005 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Newest respone to Frank's Big and Rich piece:

>rewind2005 on Thu Nov 17, 09:14, 2005, says:
George Clinton, move over: Big and Rich are the new P-Funk. Like most country music stars now, they combine MOR, R&B, Pazz and Jop, with a twang and call it country music. They are smart, they are funny, and they are entertaining. That's enough for me. <

Got that? They incorporate both PAZZ and JOP, and don't forget it!! (But I'm curious about the "like most country music stars now" part! Does that mean that LOTS of country stars are new P-Funk?? Could be!)

xhuxk, Friday, 18 November 2005 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I dig on Frank's B&R piece for lots of reasons, not least of all for keeping his own prose as fun as his subject matter, while nailing my own disappointment with the new album. But to link that piece back to an earlier discussion, I didn't quite follow the following: "...Comin To Your City declares itself Latino-related due entirely to lyrics about jalapeños and tequila and not to its sound, which remains basic funk. (Not to say that Latino-Caribbean isn't in the ancestry of funk, just as Latino-polka is in the ancestry of country two-step, but 'Latino' isn't woven into funk or country's signifiers, even if it should be.)" I think I disagree. Unless we're defining country as Nashville and signifiers as stereotypes, why wouldn't "Latino" be woven into A LOT of country signfiers, starting with the Nudie suit and ending with just about every honky tonk in Texas? I don't mean to nit-pick, as I loved the piece, but I didn't quite get the distinction.

Roy Kasten, Friday, 18 November 2005 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, i didn't get that either, unless like you said)( or:no required or at least expected signifiers, re superstahs and their wannabees?) Anyway, I enjoyed Frank's and Edd's takes, the way they worked out their points. (Not being one of the many who dismiss a piece just cos they don't happen to share the writer's like or dislike of the music discussed.) Basically, yall just saying it's not as good as the first, and as it happens, I second the shit out of that. But I don't think you're gonna have any pop country any time soon that takes on the kind of fight Frank misses. Maybe the next Chicks, but prob they and everybody else in mainstream pop and pop art country gonna come down to bad is bad and good is good; not too many distracting details, cos remember John Kerry getting all wonky on the masses. Not that they or somebody might not come up with something satistfying as far as it goes, but remember in actual music, not statements from the stage (or interview: [Toby's] targetting a whole culture"), they only got as far as "Travelling Soldier," which was pretty damn far at the public "We support the troops"/private "Oh shit" usual stance went, at best! But still, if they do that again, it's gonna be more like "no shit," with the war and the President getting verry low-rated. So, I'm gonna start catching up again with indie country, see what's brewing; I'm getting mainstreamed out anyway. As for the new B&R, Edd and Frank, I think yall are too kind.Mostly, it's monotonous as hell; how could anybody who objects to Live A Little's drum machine get into *this*? And not just the beat: Rich blurs his voice with that harmonic shadow or tweak, not quite a full doubling; and it's damned annoying, and Big K just chants along over to the side, for the most part. Without his vocoder megaphone breath, the Live A Little redos, "Leap Of Faith" and "I Pray For You" really seem insultingly hacky(Too busy collabing on other albums to come up with enough new material for this, or *justifiably* revised?? What about outside writers, guys, or some of your precious Muzik Mafia, for that matter? But I like "Never Mind Me," "Jalapeno," "Blow My Mind," "Slow Motion," and I really like "Our America," with them in the midst of spacious stereo skies, and the arrangement is graceful, not bothering to keep sticking toys in our ears. Which can work, on those tracks I like, but it's good to have this change, and Gretchen! Why isn't she on every track, they could be the better Sugarland, Boogerland High! Prob I'll just use these on a C-90 with Live A Little, and I'm seeing enough online re it's never actually having been released (pushed back, and then he was dropped, as the label changed hands or something). So I think I'll be justified in listing it, not in Reissues, which are crowded, so far, but in my main Nash Scene Top Ten

don, Saturday, 19 November 2005 01:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow, Gretchen Wilson and Big and Rich were both amazing last night in Hartford. Gretchen did “Barracuda”! Into “Black Dog”! She positively owned Barracuda, hitting those mighty high notes with absolute authority and laser-perfect pitch. She was cool and at ease up there, with none of the defensiveness that people noted in her Union Square Park show. Black Dog was less great only by degree, because her band couldn’t *quite* nail the lope and the stomp. The vocals were equally great, though, particularly because she didn’t change the gender, so she was praying for that steady rollin’ woman to come her way. Politically incorrect indeed.

Big and Rich were consummate entertainers, projecting all the way to the back (where we were) of a large hall. 6000 or so I’d guess – the place had the look and feel of the Theater at Madison Square Garden. Their singing was strong too, and the name of the game was all-fun all the time. They opened with that boom boom diddy diddy psychedelic one from the new album, which ended with an audience-chanted “HEY!,” and followed with another new one, “Soul Shaker.” Most of the set was drawn from the first album, though. Cowboy Troy did two numbers in the middle, which were accepted with pleasure by the all-white but interestingly age-diverse crowd. We saw kids and seniors, with everything in between, as if the Big and Rich audience hadn’t quite figured out its own demographic yet. The teens in front of us knew all the words. B&R turned the stage into a carnival. There was the same kind of vibe as at a P-Funk or Stones show. Really great.

And honest to God, I wrote that P-Funk comparison before I saw xhuxk’s last post!

Sang Freud (jeff_s), Saturday, 19 November 2005 13:15 (nineteen years ago) link

P-Funk were good on the Tonight Show this week, except for this crappy girl "singer" at the beginning (though she might've just been hoarse from touring), but Clinton was really into it: McGruff voice, but workin' it, animated, and went stomping up into the sudience, to organze the troops (they were already rallied). Considering was crammed into a ridiculously short amount of time, not bad! Matt's indicated some good stuff on new album, so looking fwd.

don, Saturday, 19 November 2005 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link

i can't believe i missed p.funk on the tonight show. was the girl singer white or black? if the latter, it's probably belita woods, who already sounds like kanye has sped her up, that's her thing

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 20:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Black, but if she was sped up, she must've been really bad off before, cos all she could do was croak. Finally listened to Gary Allan's Tough All Over, and like a lot of it. Edd's so right about "Ni Cajack Cave". Ugly sounds grooving in cold turkey sweat. "Get up Cash, I ain't done with you yet." I even get the Vertical Horizon cover now: "It's not so baaad," he's just green around the gills,on a new morning of continuing adjustment.

don, Tuesday, 22 November 2005 21:23 (nineteen years ago) link

that vertical horizon song makes no sense, internally or externally, other than to show off some truly stunning tenor singing and creamy west coast harmonies. that is probably my top country album of the year if i'm being honest.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link

new Merle Haggard is pretty lightweight--the title track, "Chicago Wind," does somehow or another manage to evoke the city, though, even tho it turns out Merle's a trucker in that one and he avows he doesn't know anything about Chicago. Later on, he advocates getting out of Iraq and rebuilding our bridges and roads, and he knows because he makes "twenty trips coast to coast" every year. Covers of Roger Miller and Willie Nelson don't add up to much, and his reprise of the '74 "White Man Singin' the Blues" is nice. Mike Post and Jimmy Bowen lay it on just a little too thick in places. not a patch on his great '00 "If I Could Only Fly," which is one of his best albums ever, but he still sings well.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 23:51 (nineteen years ago) link

2003 *Like Never Before* >>>>> *If I Could Only Fly,* Edd (but the latter is definitely way better than the new one.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 03:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Merle has not kept up the quality control. (In the 70s Guide, xgau complained about his having made too many albums, and he didn't even start 'til like mid-60s, did he? Making up for San Quentin time!) But Like Never Before was real good; made my Scene ballot in '03, and the overall NS Top Ten, I think.That one about wearing yellow ribbons in our hair, to show the world we care and dare, is still the best Iraq War song I've heard.

don, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 03:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Chuck's right about SuperRoadie not being that stupid, at least in comparison to the population as a whole, though s/he may be in the lower 50 percentile in basic listening comprehension (there are smart people who simply don't know how to pick up on social cues, tone of voice, nuances of wording (such as the difference in meaning produced by the presence of the word "not"), etc.).

And Don may be right when it comes to Edd's and my overrating the album, but I'd rather err on the side of overrate than underrate. The music kicks for sure, but it lacks the simmering/shimmering ache of the last one.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

All of you know more about country than I do, but "'Latino' isn't woven into funk or country's signifiers, even if it should be" means that when you hear "country" you're not perceiving a sign around its neck that says "You're hearing something of part-Latino origin here," even though you are often hearing something of part-Latino origin. When country wants to signify "Latino" (i.e., display the sign "LATINO") it usually goes mariachi, with horns, and talks of senoritas.

Or am I hearing it wrong?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link

You are right, from a U.S. white-person perspective. It's very different to Mexicans, Central Americans, and U.S. Latinos.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Speaking of which, is that new Yolanda Perez post-Latin-freestyle bubble-banda polkaton border-hop pop CD the album of the year or what? (Probably not, but way the heck up there, no doubt about that.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 20:20 (nineteen years ago) link

*When country wants to signify "Latino" (i.e., display the sign "LATINO") it usually goes mariachi, with horns, and talks of senoritas.*

yeah, you are right--on the new Merle, a song called "Mexico" complete with stupid lyrics about "don't be afraid of banditos/there's more outlaws in old California." whose sentiment I approve of, actually, but still...and a "mariachi" trumpet to signify "south of the border." and of course, the rhythmic patterns found in country are to some degree the same as those found in rock and soul and funk, with I guess the diff being that a lot of country still relies on a kind of 2/2 meter, two-beat thing, perhaps, with not a lot of kick in it, comparitively speaking. which is also not to play down the swingin' 4/4 Kansas-City derived rhythms that, for me, are what country does really, really well.

as far as the Big & Rich goes, I find it a flawed but in its way very very ambitious album. I like to believe in people myself, and like to think that those two could really do something amazing--more amazing--down the road.
I need to go back and listen to Haggard's "Like Never Before." I'm on a Hag kick right now...

and, nice to know that Carrie Underwood was voted PETA's Sexiest Vegetarian! and that she has many cats...I only have one, Wally, but he's enough cat for two or three, the fat little bastard...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Chuck I don't really like the Yolanda album as much as her last two! The hooks are weaker, there's no struggle and no rough edges like last time, and it's not as funny!

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 20:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Is Sporty Loco on the new one?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 20:53 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost Well, Frank's also right from an offical Nashville perspective: as far as most big-push mainstream releases go, and as far as most of what's allowed into halls of fame and namechecks go, Latin is still just a seasoning, a change of pace at most. And CMT *still* follows this, when they could at least let some Tejana or something into Wide Open Country (the bold, other video show, the one that's so bold it's actually not Top 20 Countdown!) Despite all the aforementioned Latin pop country at Wal-Mart, despite needing to compete with the Spanish language channels now standard on Southern cable packages, they still aren't doing this. I still think it has to do fearing backlash from the dug-in Lou Dobbs fans:"PLEASE don't remind us how close we are to the border, and to the people next door, and to who our kids are marrying" bigass market in Texas, and now across the South and West, as El Norte economy increasingly attracts and depends on low-cost workers fleeing even lower-paying jobs back home.(Thanks NAFTA, CAFTA, and all)Not that some, like B&R, don't go against this, but it's still a *novelty*, though a novelty that kids novelties, but isn't that kind of the point of novelties anyway, aside from kidding normal, which they don't always do (some pander to normal). B&R don't pander, but they're all "Jalapeno"fairly often, and(more often) when there's a big tear-shaped Sensitive Latino twang involved in a B&R song (like in most of the B&R songs I like best), still connected to the novelty factor of B&R themselves. I'm not hatin' on 'em, I'm just sayin.Of course then we get into good and bad aspects of minstrelsey, re Eric Lott's Love And Theft, which I can't let myself re-read just this busy second, not when I need to post! (And I didn't think Frank and Edd were "overrating," just "too kind" in the way they gently told us this album ain't so hot compared to first; I could see it in their eyes, between their lines.)

don, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost Well, Frank's also right from an offical Nashville perspective: as far as most big-push mainstream releases go, and as far as most of what's allowed into halls of fame and namechecks go, Latin is still just a seasoning, a change of pace at most. And CMT *still* follows this, when they could at least let some Tejana or something into Wide Open Country (the bold, other video show, the one that's so bold it's actually not Top 20 Countdown!) Despite all the aforementioned Latin pop country at Wal-Mart, despite needing to compete with the Spanish language channels now standard on Southern cable packages, they still aren't doing this. I still think it has to do fearing backlash from the dug-in Lou Dobbs fans:"PLEASE don't remind us how close we are to the border, and to the people next door, and to who our kids are marrying" bigass market in Texas, and now across the South and West, as El Norte economy increasingly attracts and depends on low-cost workers fleeing even lower-paying jobs back home.(Thanks NAFTA, CAFTA, and all)Not that some, like B&R, don't go against this, but it's still a *novelty*, though a novelty that kids novelties, but isn't that kind of the point of novelties anyway, aside from kidding normal, which they don't always do (some pander to normal). B&R don't pander, but they're all "Jalapeno"fairly often, and(more often) when there's a big tear-shaped Sensitive Latino twang involved in a B&R song (like in most of the B&R songs I like best), still connected to the novelty factor of B&R themselves. I'm not hatin' on 'em, I'm just sayin.Of course then we get into aspects of minstrelsey(not meant as hatin either), re Eric Lott's Love And Theft, which I can't let myself re-read just this busy second, not when I need to post! (And I didn't think Frank and Edd were "overrating," just "too kind" in the way they gently told us this album ain't so hot compared to first; I could see it in their eyes, between their lines.)

don, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 20:56 (nineteen years ago) link

x-post: no, Frank, Shorty is nowhere to be seen (or heard)! there are a couple of hip-hop tracks, one reggaeton thing, and the rest are pretty much straight up banda; I think Banda el Recodo did a better job of updating the banda style and making it fun with Hay Amor

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 20:58 (nineteen years ago) link

If it's banda, it's catchier than any banda album I've ever heard. Also catchier than any reggaeton album I've ever heard, though that's saying so little it's barely saying anything. (Reggaeton is really starting to piss me off; it's all I hear when I'm walking around my neighborhood in Queens, and it almost always sounds oafish to me. I do like the new Pitbull remixes CD though. That Ivy Queen *Flashback* best-of was a chore to get through, plus she sings like a man. Has anybody pointed that out? Akwid, the LA guys supposedly mixing rap with banda, are a disappointment too; dull rappers, and not as much banda as the hype claims.) Back to Yolanda: I kinda don't think I've ever heard polkas this funky, ever. Those tubas ROCK, right from the start. Not sure if it's better than her second (though I'm leaning toward think so); definitely better than her first. Not a bad track, and it's short (just ten songs), which helps. (I forget if the other two were this short, actually). My favorites so far are "Cuandro Quieras, Como Quieras," "Cuando Yo Beso Tu Boquita," "Esto Es Amor." My favorite ballad so far sounds like "Do It To Me One More Time."

xhuxk, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 21:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Last weekend I saw the Holy Modal Rounders... Bound to Lose documentary; it's more about the personal relations of the bandmembers than about the musical relations (and doesn't make much of an effort to connect the two). It's got the music going full time, however. The movie sets the Rounders in relation to the beatnik-freak '60s rather than to their musical sources. I think that's the correct emphasis, but I'd still (once again) have liked for the filmmakers to connect one to the other, or contrast them.

The more obvious musical sources are the old-timey string band music of the 1920s, which the Rounders twisted into something more... something. I don't know what word to use: More alien, perhaps? More cantankerous, piercingly high-pitched, around the bend? (At least, more "Around The Bend.") "Mr. Spaceman" was one of their compositions. Visonary twang? I don't know.

Since the film highlighted the personalities, as it went on it became "How do we deal with the alky?" - that being Weber. Ends with Weber not showing up for a reunion gig and subsequently keeping away from all the other bandmembers.

There's a wonderfully co-dependent moment when Stampfel, with no immediate provocation, starts verbally jabbing at Weber for having told some people that he'd written some of Stampfel's songs.

Xgau shows up briefly to say that except for Dylan, Stampfel is the closest the scene came to producing a genius. Then he says something like "To hell with Joan Baez. P.U." (Hmmm. Baez has always bored me, but I never considered her smelly.) Byron Coley was another talking head. I'd never seen him before. Looks like a normal enough guy, and didn't seem like a total brat.

Paul Lovelace, one of the filmmakers, told us that as a student filmmaker he'd made a documentary about Christgau! It was Christgau who'd turned him onto the Rounders. Lovelace is going to send me a video of the Christgau doc, though he warned me it was of only student quality.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

But Latino isn't just a seasoning, it's mixed into the DNA of country, it's just not perceived as such, hence not woven into the signifiers, even though it's woven into the music.

I'm about to be booted out of here (the UConn library).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I've only heard it a couple of times, but it just isn't getting it for me. Not as sparkly or weird as the last one to me, and I think Banda el Recodo and Banda No. 1 Juarez jazzed up the trad sound more funkily this year. I even like the Aroma album better, because the production is bubble-gum weirder there than on this YP album. And you KNOW how much I love me some Yolanda. Hmmm. More listens indicated, by both of us.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, maybe I should really live with it for a few months and see how I feel about it a year from now, consider it along with Delta 5 and Measles Mumps Rubella and The Sword and whatnot (none of which will make it, but what the heck, they're what's there now) for my 2006 top ten. I voted for both an album and single by her last year, after all; might be time to give somebody else a shot, and goodness knows my top ten's already packed to the gills. So we'll see what happens (not to mention what happens with John Rich's new protege Shannon Brown, which just showed up here but doesn't hit stores til February.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow, I am very influential! Seriously, if you love it, put it on your list, can't very well penalize her for last year's success, and if you like it better than the last one it should get a higher rating this year. I'm just disappointed with it, at first blush; I left it off my PopMatters list, which was due today, but I still have a spot open for it for my P&J list, unless Kobol or Banda el Recodo or Gary Allan steps up to claim it. (Also still waiting on many December records and packages arriving from Germany and Brazil.)

Also: the only 2006 record I've heard is Susheela Raman's Music for Crocodiles, which is AMAZING. But it's not country. What thread are we on, again?

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 22:43 (nineteen years ago) link

re Shannon Brown (xp):

(The first few songs of whose album sound really really good by the way. An "Okee From Muskogee" update about how we don't lock our doors and nobody burns flags on the courthouse lawn and there's only country stations out here and we don't keep anybody who lives out here out whatever the heck that means, a funkier one about she's a little woman who needs a big man not a mack-daddy pimp like you {I think she answers somebody who calls her a "ho" in it, too}, a song about people are wrong to say Garth and Shania aren't country 'cause that's what they used to say about Johnny Cash but she likes Steve Miller and Sheryl Crow and Kid Rock too and isn't it great how Kenny Chesney's laughing all the way to the bank so why don't we all get along -- all rocking country with fiddles in the groove, and yeah, lots of dumbass pandering in the words but what else is new? Now I'm on "Can I Get an Amen" which sounds EXACTLY like some big '70s rock song -- "Listen to the Music" by the Doobie Brothers, maybe? Then it turns into something by BTO, I think, "Roll On Down the Highway," maybe?; whatever it is, it definitely outrocks the Doobie Brothers, and then it winds down to more fiddles then handclap gospel acapella.)

(Hmmm, maybe I should save that brand new Lady Sovereign EP for a possible spot on my 2006 ballot, too. That way I could maybe include Ashlee *and* the Living Things this year... unless I don't.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 22:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey Frank (and big xpost): I think maybe I grasp your distinction now. But to echo Obligatory above: I think a lot depends on who is doing the perceiving/listening and what country is being perceived. Again, I don't want to nit-pick, but I also don't think a whole ton of country music, especially honky tonk, would resonate with Latin audiences the way that it has if they weren't connecting with signifiers in ways that I can't.

When I interviewed Freddy Fender a few years back--in a cheap motel in Corpus Cristi, not far, he said, from where he used to shoot up!--he talked about how, as a kid, he loved both rock & roll and country because to him it was music of his pueblo, or something like that. And I've always loved Los Lobos' second album because it's more than the sound and substance of a band adopting country; it's a band who thinks country is theirs.

Roy Kasten, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 23:05 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost"but latin is not a seasoning": right, it *really* is "woven into (country's)DNA," but also as you say it's "not perceived that way" or not overtly presented that way, except as a seasoning and novelty, as in "Jalapeno." Otherwise, it's just down in there, and the Sensitive Latin twangy tremolo in B&R's Big Ballads is about as close as Music Row allows us to up front Latin, most of the time. (B&R's etc as filtered through associations with Marty Robbins, Roy Orbison, and other Southwestern white guys, but really for younger listeners maybe just that quaver in Ronnie Dunn's voice sometimes) Speaking of Southwest, this site's reviews aren't pro, but informative enough (incl a glimpse of Miranda Lambert's first, self-released album) Scroll down on the left (note link to RadioFreeTexas.org, which I haven't checked yet), and at the bottom you'll see a link to All Reviews. Oh yeah, the site itself is misslana.com (PS: Frank, Stampfel seems to have smoked a lot of Harry Smith's Smithsonian Anth at an early age, and I read where he said he was in a joint where he couldn't see teenage Bobby D., cos they were both so short, but heard him sing a Buddy Holly song in a Bill Monroe twang, and that was very inspiring)(dognose whut Weber's inspirations were--shudder!)xpost xxhuxx: that's a LOT OF pandering for ONE song!!! That's http://www.misslana.com yall, Happy Turkey! (Get some, Canadians)

don, Thursday, 24 November 2005 00:15 (nineteen years ago) link

>that's a LOT OF pandering for ONE song!!!<

Actually, I think it was 3 or 4 (but still a lot)....

xhuxk, Thursday, 24 November 2005 02:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Fiddle break in Shannon Brown's "Corn Fed" quotes Black Dog riff...

Sang Freud (jeff_s), Thursday, 24 November 2005 03:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I may have been 1000% wrong about Yolanda Perez. I was in a bad mood that day, but today I am in a good mood and the album sounds like God's Little Sister.

The Meaculpatory Sourpuss, Thursday, 24 November 2005 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link

"Good Ole Days" (track #8 on the Shannon Brown album) = the most over-the-top 1979 disco on any country album, maybe ever (or at least since, like, 1980 or so).

xhuxk, Thursday, 24 November 2005 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Speaking of Latin in country, I'm pretty sure Patricia Vonne's Guitars and Castenets is gonna be on my Scene Top Ten. The title is misleading: plenty guitar all over and through, but the flamenco-y stuff is more a recurring change of pace than a constant. Mainly the G And C experience is songform extended/defined into and from boom-boom almost-freestyle orecarts. In which rides a damn effective singer by most any measure, y lingua no problemo for this gringolo. And she's tossing firecrackers into the quarry for punctuation, at just the right times.The country aspect so far justified by notion/impression that she does operate in a certain territory, turf, set of preoccupations and occupations, associated with the Southwest, in various ways, in rumblin' reverie which she induces, as I duck and squint into her shotglass lens(headphone/exercycle junkies note)

don, Friday, 25 November 2005 00:50 (nineteen years ago) link

> over-the-top 1979 disco<

Or 1976 disco. Or somewhere in there. (Do your own callibrations at will.)

xhuxk, Friday, 25 November 2005 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the waka-waka guitar and happy organ when thangs slow down at the end of "HonkyTonkBadonkadonk." Speaking of '06 releases, so far digging several tracks on Gourds' forthcoming Heavy Ornamentals. They've been smoking New York Dolls and Sir Doug, abstaining from ProTools, even recording at the same time in the same room, and "Burn The Honeysuckle" is the funniest rootsdown in quite a while, "she's got skin like tabacca, eyes lak wine," O song it chullun! Required mellerdramatic chorus o course, 'bout burnin' the honeysuckle when he dies. But the keybist is no Augie Meyer, and they need to get better at the slower ones (if they must do those at all). But still: so far, so good.

don, Friday, 25 November 2005 22:31 (nineteen years ago) link

So what's with Keith Urban doing a Billy Thorpe and the Aztecs tune from the early 70's -- "Most People I Know Think I'm Crazy." I haven't heard it, but I have a '72 recording of the Aztecs doing it and no way he's going to be that rough and ready.

George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 27 November 2005 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Ooh, I just heard Kathleen Edwards' 'In State' on Bob Harris! I liked it!

Somehow it reminded me of Stephin Merritt!

the bellefox, Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha ha, I just finally put my copy of Kathleen Edwards's first album in the sell pile over the weekend, despite its two or three okay songs! (Her second album, which was a lot worse, is long gone...)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I kind of hate Marty Stuart's voice on Badlands. Big deep ripe voice, going for unearned (or unconvincing, anyway) gravity. Weighs everything else down. The picking is good, the rocking - on the songs that rock - is good. The lyrics are old news: "Death showed no favorites, women and children died." Hate to call it banal, since obviously the atrocities depicted weren't banal for the people affected by them. But the telling is blah and obvious. The music sounds more "folk" than "country." In my heart I prefer what tends to be called "folk" to "country," in that folk has more minor chords and melodrama. Problem is that most of the folkies who sing it sound like dipshits. Anyway, there are four or five tracks here I like anyway, but they'd be far better without the plod of his voice. (One that I like is an instrumental.) John Stewart and Johnny Cash pulled off deep-voiced drama better than this fellow.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah Frank, I've always felt the same way about Stuart's voice. I saw him and Kenny Vaughn and band play a show back in September, and while they were rockin' and great, esp. Vaughn (whose guitar work made Hayes Carll's "Little Rock" pretty good, at times), I just felt like it was shtick, somehow.

I guess "Best I've Ever Had" is gonna be my #1 country single, right now. What an amazing performance by Gary Allan. "Tough All Over" is probably the record I've played most in '05, when all's said and done--even more than the Bettye LaVette, which snuck up on me and won me over after a few months...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

OMG I'm listening to Gary Allan right now! Ever get the feeling that "Best I've Ever Had" makes Absolutely No Sense At All, though? It's voice and voices and signifiers, but the song doesn't really even exist as a text. Doesn't matter when those harmonies kick in though.

And yeah, I guess I agree about "Badlands," but I still love "Souls' Chapel" and you guys can't argue me out of it. Nyah nyah.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I like Badlands much better than I thought I would, so far. Live set at the Ryman too, but Soul Chapel seems to need more of the duets with Handsome Harry and Mavis Staples. And Steve Cropper/William Bell-written "Slow Train" is def. an improvement on most of the originals. But I'll listen to all of 'em some more; I may be writing about him later on. Today at http://www.charlotte.creativeloafing.com, a very edited version of my Coe/Col.Bruce piece, basically still okay, but I'll do a blog mix later. Also today, I've blogged a bigassification of my Freakwater feature, now re-titled "Louisville Lip." http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com/

don, Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I still haven't heard that live thang! DAMN YOU FATE>

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:24 (nineteen years ago) link

There are seven or eight tracks on Tough All Over I like more than "Best I Ever Had." My favorite probably's the title tune; its attitude is unclear in a way that I find intriguing: It's about how tough things are, but "If you wanna come back/'Cause you need a shoulder/Things are tough all over" could just mean, tough luck, babe. When he says "Baby if you needed me/I'd know by now/I hope you're not hurtin'/On the other side of town," he may mean it that he really hopes she's not hurtin', but he could also mean he hopes she does need him (so that he can then brush her off with "things are tough all over"?). Could mean all sorts of things. Ambivalence. (Song is by Odie Blackmon and Jim Lauderdale; Blackmon is the guy who wrote "You Don't Know a Thing About Me," one of the best on See If I Care, and of course he also wrote Lee Ann Womack's "I May Hate Myself in the Morning.") In the fadeout the song leaps into a Bo Diddley rave-up.

"Just Got Back from Hell" is impressive: He found a way to address his wife's suicide without exploiting it.

"What Kind of Fool" should be the best track, a wailing rock 'n' roll ballad like "See If I Care," though something about the arrangement weakens it a little, not sure what. It's not overarranged, but feels cluttered anyway; some of the pedal-steel teariness or violin filligrees distract from the singing. This was my initial complaint about a lot of Brooks & Dunn's Steers & Stripes, which I ended up loving, so maybe this track will grow on me. I like it, but not as much as "Tough All Over" and "Just Got Back from Hell." By the way, producer on this album and on Steers & Stripes is Mark Wright (who's also co-produced the Gretchen Wilson's). He seems to go for a restlessness that doesn't advertise itself as such. The snare on the verse of "No Damn Good" does the Latin thing of hitting the two-AND rather than the backbeat. Don't know who's responsible for that (well, the drummer obviously, but Allan or Wright could have told him not to if they'd wanted, and maybe they're the ones who suggested he do it).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Allan is very versed in Latin/Cali rhythms, so it coulda been any of them. Yeah, it's a very strong album, hard-fought, tough-earned, deeply-felt...and it rocks pretty damned hard.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd mention this on Rolling Metal but 98 percent of the contributors on it don the guise of the cretin for the sake of the thread. Sex Slaves' Bite Your Tongue deserves attention. Thank God for Jack Daniels would be a natural for modern country with the guitars turned down and converted from Gibsons to Fenders. As it is, it's not the ersatz dynamite thing that passes for modern. Gretchen Wilson's "All Jacked Up" being an example greased by thematically similar stuff in one song from Sex Slaves.

"Contagious" and "Miss Jones" are in the same slot but the band looks like Living Things and are from NYC so...

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 2 December 2005 09:05 (nineteen years ago) link

that gary allan single is actually really confusing, yr right--its so fucking sad, but unfocused...

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 2 December 2005 10:59 (nineteen years ago) link

It's just a bunch of cliches strung together; I think Vertical Horizon must have been the model for No Vacancy, the band that Dewey Finn gets kicked out of in "School of Rock." The song's popularity hinges on three factors: 1. Gary Allan's beautiful voice; 2. the subtext of his wife having committed suicide last year; 3. the backing vocals sounding like the Eagles are back together and young and not-shit.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I've finally gotten back to the Jamie O'Neal, and indeed I did underrate it, though still nothing else is remotely as passionate and gripping as "Devil on the Left." Christgau, in giving the album a B+, says "the flourishes are too big and the musical colors too bright," whereas I think the size and brightness help the music live. The problem is the choruses. Jamie O'Neal does verses way better than choruses. She sings the choruses fine - her big voice a match for Lee Ann's and Faith's and Martina's - but they're just not good enough: the melodies not good enough or catchy enough, or the arrangements too fill-in-the-blank, or something.

The basic form (not just for Jamie but for a lot of country and pop) is:

Verse: instruments relatively spare, fewer chord changes, the vocal phrasing fairly close to how you'd speak it, melodies less tuneful and more dramatic, not much double-tracking or backup singing; works as a buildup that leads to...

Chorus: throws the works at you, melody, sing-alongs, wails, notes held or syllables broken into melisma-festivals. What happens too often, though, is that all this rah-rah cancels itself out, turns into ho-hum la-di-da, dissipates the drama she'd built in the verse.

From my original notes, "Somebody's Hero": "God, why did this turn into such crap?" I might have been referring to the lyrics too. "She's never rocked Central Park to a half a million" was promising, as was the way the melody swooped into the verse. Then we learn that the woman is SOMEBODY'S MOTHER. (So are some ducks. Wowie gee.)

"Naïve" starts with a mesh-thin synth line that makes me shiver. The chorus lames this one out too, though not as badly as on some of the others; there's something tingly about her harmonizing with herself; wish the tune were better. Could make the bottom of my Scene list.

The best two tracks - "Devil On My Left" and "Girlfriends" - are the two she co-produced.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Speaking of "Girlfriends," can you who know the genre better than I tell me how prevalent this theme - girls night out, leave your man behind, gonna do something crazy, gonna do some damage to our reputations - is in country? It's in pop all right, Destiny Child's "Jumpin Jumpin," Ashlee's "L.O.V.E." Deanna did it a couple years ago on "Girls Night." Is this a standby? A trend? Or is it just Jamie and Deanna?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link

It's a theme I believe. I would think that Martina's "When God-Fearing Women Get the Blues" would fit and Sara Evans has a mommy's lib song on her latest. Couldn't tell you the title and the song is about as forgettable. I'm sure there are others.

wernert, Friday, 2 December 2005 16:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd have to go back and listen, but I think Dolly Parton's "Romeo" from the mid '90s was a sort of prototype, with TLC-style partying-gals voices and everything. And the Judds, I believe, had a rocking "Girls Night Out" song (with that title or one really close to it) way back on either their debut album or EP in the '80s. (I'm also a "John Deere Tractor," fan, though I've never really thought much about the Judds in general. And it occured to me after I wrote about Shannon Brown's disco track -- off an album that would EASILY make my 2005 country top ten if it wasn't coming out in 2006, by the way -- that Wynona's "I Want To Know What Love Is" remix was actually maybe more disco after all.) Anyway, didn't Mindy McReady have a girls night out song too, as one of her biggest hits? I'm blanking out on the title, now, though. At any rate, I've always assumed it's a theme that pop-country and pop-r&b *share*, which sharing I always thought was pretty cool. (In fact, I remember specicially noticing an r&b hit with the title right around the time of the Judds' c&w one: By RJ's Latest Arrival or somebody forgotten like that, maybe?) I'm sure other examples will spring to mind as soon as I press "send."

xhuxk, Friday, 2 December 2005 16:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Brooks and Dunn, "You Can't Take the Honky-Tonk Out of the Girl"
Tammy Wynette, "Your Good Girl Is Gonna Go Bad"
Tanya Tucker, every album cover ever
Paulina Rubio, "Dame Un Tequila"
Gretchen Wilson, EVERYTHING SHE EVER SINGS

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Walk The Line is pretty good, for a biopic. Opening shot: the yard at Folsom, with echo through the walls of th hall, prisoners whooping, clapping, calling for Cash, while band vamps, waitng for him to appear. Second shot: closeup of a buzzsaw; camera moves back, and Cash is leaning over it intently, holding a glass of dirty water and about to touch the blades. And of course the movie's on the buzzsaw track, flashing back to his brother Jack's death, working the saw alone, while lil bro goes fishing. And Jack was studying the Bible to be a preacher, and Johnny was studying the Hymnbook to be a singer, and his father blames lil lazy artfart for Jack's death (but Daddy was off drinkin), and this is set as the basic throughline of the movie: he's the lil punk who's down on himself and won't take credit or responsibilty and has a monkey on his back and feels a lot of pain and passes it along. Sexndeathnguiltndrugsnrocknroll is the context for country: upbeat, wired, even when the pills are more or less gone.((The prisoners love his wilder side, so he can let that out on stage with them, even though he's cleaned up by that point. Not much Jesus, then or before. In fact, when he auditions for Phillips with a gospel number, Phillips says, "I don't believe you." And Cash looks indignant, but then spooked, like he's been busted.And Phillips challenges him to sing something he'd sing if he were about to die, something for the tombstone. And Cash says, "Here's something I wrote in the Air Force--you got anything against the Air Force?" "No." "Well I do." So he sings "I Walk The Line." Written for his first wife too, so frustration on a leash, more obligations. So the punk undertow, again. But doesn't do right by Vivian, from what I've read (incl in his autobio, which this is based on, according to the credits). And a lot of stuff gets left out about June, too (didn't they read her books?). But like I said, it's a Hollywood buzzsaw stopwatch, keep it tight for the accountants and the masses and the lumpen reviewers. Great sound design though, and a lot of smart stuff that does without the (sometimes too-buffed dialogue). Like Cash and TN Two crank up "Rock 'n' Roll Ruby," but then Cash is strutting over to the pills backstage, but turns around to hear Elvis (who looks like Gene Pitney with better legs) top him, with "That's All Right Mama." So pills won't do it all (we've been told Elvis is on pills too). Elvis is more of a real rocker than Cash, and also he's Elvis. So Cash smirks and grabs the pill bottle. He can't top Elvis, but he can do *this*.

don, Friday, 2 December 2005 16:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Checked "Romeo"'s lyrics; I guess the girls-night-out in that one was more in the sound, but this Mindy McCready song definitely fits:

Guys Do It All the Time Lyrics

(Bobby Whiteside/Kim Tribble)

Got in this morning at 4 a.m.
You're as mad as you can be
Well I was drinking and talking and you know how that goes
Time just slipped away from me
By the time I knew what time it was
It was too late to call home
Stop carrying on acting like a child
I wasn't doing anything wrong

Guys do it all the time
And you expect us to understand
When the shoe's on the other foot
You know that's when it hits the fan
Get over it, honey, life's a two way street
Or you won't be a man of mine
So I had some beers with the girls last night
Guys do it all the time

I know I left my clothes all over the place
And I took your twenty bucks
No I didn't get the front yard cut
'Cause I had to wash my truck
Will you bring me a cold one, baby
And turn on the TV
We'll talk about this later
There's a ball game I wanna see

Guys do it all the time
And you expect us to understand
When the shoe's on the other foot
You know that's when it hits the fan
Get over it, honey, life's a two way street
Or you won't be a man of mine
So I had some beers with the girls last night
Guys do it all the time

You look like you just took a long look in the mirror
Tell me baby if things don't look a whole lot clearer

Get over it, honey, life's a two way street
Or you won't be a man of mine
So I had some beers with the girls last night
Guys do it all the time

Yeah, guys do it
Yeah, guys do it
All the time, all the time
Yeah, guys do it
Yeah, guys do it

xhuxk, Friday, 2 December 2005 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe the r&b one I was thinking of was SOS Band?:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=17:561347

Also, Precious Metal had a great "Girls Nite Out" on their debut LP.

xhuxk, Friday, 2 December 2005 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Also not sure if any of these songs qualify:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00000I7HI/102-0120548-7322539?v=glance

xhuxk, Friday, 2 December 2005 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Matt, it has to be girls going out with other girls, who egg 'em on and provide context and support.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:40 (nineteen years ago) link

("Girlfriends" has a "Friday On My Mind" subtheme:

I been starin' all day at the same computer screen
Around here I'm treated like I'm just some damn machine
I punch in
I tune out
Nobody cares what I'm all about.
)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

well I stand by my Brooks and Dunn one, that's all about girls huddling up over something about 200 proof or something, and Gretchen Wilson singing in her video with all the chicks right up front. other than that, yr on yr own.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:04 (nineteen years ago) link

By the way I finally found my copy of "There's More Where That Came From" and it sounds really good right now.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:37 (nineteen years ago) link

And then there's a bunch of songs by Terri Clark, and "Girls Lie Too" reveals that (insiiide)it's always girl's night out (and guy's too, re "Too" in title). So does that get too in, that inside out? Not necessarily, the music says, and ditto "I Wanna Do It All" and others. Poor Mindy sure needs a girl's night out, a girl's life out, but I'm afraid she's not gonna get away from that guy, he's too far in.(Here's hoping Hope's "Let Me Try" will hit country, and it's also about wanting to go the hell out, come to think of it.)

don, Friday, 2 December 2005 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link

the video for romeo is deft of the genre, with billy ray cyrus as object that is lusted over

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 3 December 2005 02:36 (nineteen years ago) link

i was reading the blender article with kenny chesney, and thinking about it, his personae is so controlled, so directed, so impentrable, and so omnipresent, its disquieting--there has to be some subtext to the beach bum drunk/but im sensitive too thing, but how blank it is, seems really eerie

see also the special, the perfect information control of the 2 part country weekly interview, the tv special, with v. little spark.

its almost like hes suffocating.

(20 million albums sold this year, 61 million dollars in touring, no. 1 on pop and country charts, no. 2 touring band--we still dont know who he is...)

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 3 December 2005 05:18 (nineteen years ago) link

never heard a whole album, but singles are mostly escapist fantasy, frequently via nostalgia. Even for nostalgia: for when we were "singin' 'Bobby McGhee' on the hood of my car", that being a song of romantic nostalgia, lyrics-wise, plus nostalgia for Joplin, Sixties, the promise of early Kris)(Dolly, recently commenting on "McGhee," on her Sixties covers album: "I was there when he wrote it with Fred Foster.")(Who Fred Foster? Shoulda kept him, Kris? Maybe he did but that was all the good they had.) Private fantasies of the working folk, alone together; sorta like those Terri songs I mentioned, but not so rowdy, chance-taking(even in fantasy!), not any more(far from "Tractor's Sexy"): a clean, well-lighted place, lots of zoning regulations, everything settled in, as Anthony describes the hype regime. A boy's night out that's way in.

don, Saturday, 3 December 2005 16:17 (nineteen years ago) link

So, speaking of Bobby McGee, I've always wondered this: Why the heck does she carry a HARPOON in her dirty red bandanna? Is she gonna hunt whales, or what? That's so weird.

xhuxk, Saturday, 3 December 2005 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Harpoon is blues slang for harmonica!

Roy Kasten, Saturday, 3 December 2005 18:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Didn't Fred Foster start Monument? I think Kristofferson's first records were on that label.

Roy Kasten, Saturday, 3 December 2005 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Now playing: new record from Deadstring Brothers, on Bloodshot, and for that reason has been sitting in my to-listen-to pile for too long. I feared insurgent-country-clunkiness. Instead, it moves along at a fine cruising clip, opening with a good Allman Bros. slide nick and then stacks and stacks stuff every roots rock band (I think they're from Detroit though) exiled on Midwesterburg mainstreet (lead singer sounds a lot, maybe too much, like Jagger c. '72) aspires to (or overlooks, like Delaney and Bonnie) but ends up blanding for trying too hard or not having a good rhythm section: sloppy sweet harmonies, bonkers gospel piano, some horns and pedal steel, ooo-yeah-yeah choruses and a right funky little take on "Get Up Jake." Nice if not earthshaking surprise. Could use a killer single though.

Roy Kasten, Sunday, 4 December 2005 23:09 (nineteen years ago) link

"stuff every roots rock band...exiled on Midwesterberg mainstreet...aspires to (or overlooks...) but ends up blanding for trying too hard or not having a good rhythm section...": so, since you like these guys, you're saying they *don't* share these ultimate shortfalls/drawbacks with otherwise-similar bands? Or you like 'em *despite* such typical limitations? (I know I'm one to talk, but didn't quite get that.)

don, Sunday, 4 December 2005 23:50 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry don, I need to proof my posts! but yeah I meant they do pretty well with that stuff without the drawbacks. If rootsy bar band rock is so easy, in other words, why do so many bands fail at it? The Dead String Bros have limitations, to be sure, mostly in the Dept. of Hooks, but somehow I didn't mind that so much and have been playing it loud and enjoying it. Oh, and the record is called Starving Winter Report and should be out in Feb.

Roy Kasten, Monday, 5 December 2005 00:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, simple gets so mistaken for easy. (Those three little chords...) "Tis a gift to be simple."

don, Monday, 5 December 2005 06:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I got my pazz&jop notice today. Has Himes sent out an email about the Scene poll yet? I hope it didn't wind up in my spam filter. Anybody game for posting or reposting their ballots? I wish I could be less predictable, but Stuart (the gospel one), Carter, Womack and Allan are vying for my top spots. I don't think it was such a great year for the mainstream.

Roy Kasten, Monday, 5 December 2005 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, mainstream started good, then trickled down, ho-hum. I haven't gotten the Himes either, but it'll be along d'rectly.

don, Tuesday, 6 December 2005 00:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm Himesless as well, probably not mailed yet (though last year I didn't get one at all but submitted a ballot anyway).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 00:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I just worked my way through the two-CD Lucinda Williams live set for the first time since early this year, and it was work, due to the continually overwrought vocals. Almost matched Mary Gauthier in ridiculousness. But like Gauthier, sometimes a blob of emotion will hit its target rather than just dripping through the floor. Songs are generally better than Gauthier's, and taking them one or two at a time isn't so painful. I've heard none of Lucinda's studio albums except the generally not-highly regarded Essence, so I don't really know how Lucinda-typical these versions are. Oddly enough, two of the three best songs on here are from Essence - "Out of Touch" and "Are You Down?" - and I don't prefer the underwrought versions there to these ones. I guess she's a subject for further research. She could sure use some La La, however.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 23:49 (nineteen years ago) link

One afternoon I was in [the kitchen of Café Wha?] pouring Coke into a glass from a milk pitcher when I heard a voice coming cool through the screen of the radio speaker. Ricky Nelson was singing his new song, "Travelin' Man." Ricky had a smooth touch, the way he crooned in fast rhythm, the tonation of his voice. He was different than the rest of the teen idols, had a great guitarist who played like a cross between a honky-tonk hero and a barn-dance fiddler. Nelson had never been a bold innovator like the early singers who sang like they were navigating burning ships. He didn't sing desperately, do a lot of damage, and you'd never mistake him for a shaman. It didn't feel like his endurance was ever being tested to the utmost, but it didn't matter. He sang the songs calm and steady like he was in the middle of a storm, men hurling past him. His voice was sort of mysterious and made you fall into a certain mood.
—Bob Dylan, Chronicles Volume One

I think Gary Allan is a lot like Ricky Nelson, has a way of playing cool and gentle with forceful stuff, though Allan can swoop and swing extravagantly on the rare occasions when he wants to. See If I Care and Tough All Over work better for me than Alright Guy did because on those two Allan keeps the relaxed cool in his singing. When I'm thinking of Allan as a rock 'n' roll balladeer (not sure if "balladeer" is the right word; a quiet treatment, but the songs aren't necessarily ballads), I'm thinking of the stuff that feels like "Travelin' Man."

(Of course, who's to say he won't do well with extravagance and gruffness in the future.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 8 December 2005 00:15 (nineteen years ago) link

The guitarist Dylan's referring to is probably James Burton, who played the amazing riff on Dale Hawkins' "Susie Q." I think of him as playing Hubert Sumlin-style twisting guitar licks with a hip guitar-boogie zip, though I don't really know who was recording first, Burton or Sumlin. (Sumlin's the guy on a lot of Howlin' Wolf classics.) Burton's been on my mind a lot in the last month because it was - I think - his riff on Ricky Nelson's version of "Milk Cow Blues" that Dave Davies copied on the Kinks' version, though Davies made it slower and harder, more menacing. And I can hear a line that runs from Burton to Davies to Andy Gill of the Gang of 4 to Nick McCarthy of Franz Ferdinand (the spirit of that "Milk Cow Blues" guitar and is all over You Could Have It So Much Better) to John Shanks' wicked riff on Ashlee Simpson's "Boyfriend." Burton played with speed and style, Davies went slower but carried a sense of potential chaos in his pickwork, Gill played around with chaos, McCarthy goes for freneticism, while Shanks brings it back to power and menace.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 8 December 2005 00:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Burton is so key and keyed in. When people describe country guitar playing as "chicken pickin," they may as well call it Burton pickin. Colin Escott's Tatooed on Their Tongues has a good short essay on Burton (and on Hawkins too) in there. Really strong book, start to finish, that doesn't get enough love.

Roy Kasten, Thursday, 8 December 2005 02:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Lucinda's World Without Tears made my Scene Top Ten. It was a breakup album, but masterful, not overwrought (and being at the top of her game was her consolation, it seemed:"I can't handle men, but I can do this, dammit." So the emotional release was palpable enough; what overwroughtenss seeks but gets upset because it's wound up too tight for). Car Wheels was wildly hyped by crits, but good. Yeah, Rickey decided he wanted to rock, so Ozzie bought him the best (wonder which of them picked out the musos, though, since Oz was a bandleader and tenor guitarist. Maybe they both picked 'em.) So for a while, each episode of"Ozzie & Harriet" would end with a set piece, a video, of Ricky and James and others, running through a number in the living room, with O & H and big brother David watching. Wonder what Dylan thought of "Garden Party, " about the Bangla Desh concert, wasn't it? "Over in the corner, much to my surprise, Mr. Hughes hid in Dylan's shoes, wearin' his disguise." Yeah, Dyl was layin' low after Self Portrait, but since he actually performed at the Bangla Desh thing, maybe he was just cultivating Mystery offstage? Or maybe this was another event. But Rick got booed for not playing Ricky's hits, sonce he was now presenting his suave country-rock Stone Canyon Band (shades of Mr. Hughes at Newport o course). "If you go to a Garden Party, I wish you a lot of luck. But if memories are all I had, I'd rather drive a truck." So then he had that as one more hit.Cool.

don, Thursday, 8 December 2005 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link

You guys are total historical scholars compared to me! I no longer feel qualified to post on this thread. And I should read that Dylan book, though how much you wanna bet I never get around to it? (though yes, "Garden Party" is one of the all time great pro-sellout songs left out of the sellout chapter of my second book). I have been busy reading a new book about black songwriters 1860-1930 myself; it's fascinating so far in its depection of the minstrel/death-ballad/coon-song era(s), but not in front of me and I forget the authors' names.

*Spooked* by Marley's Ghost, produced by Van Dyke Parks, due out in February, is pretty good in a sub-Hurley/Holy Modal Rounders (yet managing to pull off a sense of humor and energy at times that reminds me of them) old-timey folk revival revival (mostly non-slow trad covers, a few originals) kind of way. R. Crumb did the cover artwork; their website says it's their fourth album, but first to get national distribution. Also calls them "bluegrass," but they're way too concise and catchy and songful and non-full-of-themself mucianshipwise to deserve such an insulting classification. Best song: Either "High Walls," a dark one about death of morphine in a Minnesota prison apparently, or "Old Time Religion," which eventually evolves into this humurous verse, after one about Zarathustra: "Let me worship Aphrodite/She's naughty and she's flighty/And she doesn't wear a nightie/And that's good enough for me." And oh yeah, they also do a song about Johnny Hallyday and how the French don't understand rock'n'roll. Not to mention one where they take all your Beatles and Stones and Grateful Dead records, and "Wicked Messenger" by Bob Dylan.

xhuxk, Thursday, 8 December 2005 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link

oops, Van Dyke Parks's liner notes say its their 8TH album, maybe I read the website wrong. (Inside the CD cover, they look like old cartoon men, but are dreaming of a topless mermaid playing a lyre intertwined with the devil playing the fiddle he beat charlie daniels with, even though "devil went down to georgia" claimed otherwise.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 8 December 2005 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link

gosh, so far I'm frustrated by the vocals, which are mostly so mild, and the music tends to follow that, despite good songs, and Van Dyke playing around the edges, and I guess Frisell and Buell Neidlinger in there too, since he says so, but I never would've imagined it otherwise. But gosh, I want to like it, so better shut up and listen some more. (Tell us more about the book sometime, at least the title)(Have you read Eric Lott's Love And Theft? It's a trip!)Creem did a big feature on Rick Nelson one time, when he was in Mivhigan, just because they played his mod country-rock stuff a lot in the office. Never heard those later albums, but seems like xgau panned the one with "Garden Party"(although he liked the song), and I suspect that, compared to Faces, emerging pub rock, big time country rock, new wavabilly (all of which were in the first heyday of Arena Rock, and, in a scaled-down, more affordable, not-getting-any-younger way, shared some of its values, esp "rowdiness," and o course the Eagles and a few other country rock acts were also Arena), he was mebbe a little too cool, or mild, or something.

don, Friday, 9 December 2005 01:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Hmm, I have that Marley's Ghost album, haven't even listened yet. I guess I should. I like the Crumb cover.

Meanwhile, apropos of nothing much, I like this Chet Flippo article.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 9 December 2005 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, the local politicians chase out the music junkies, etc, reassuring themselves and some others, plus they make the contruction magnates and real estate adepts happy with the chance to "redevelope," which may eventually include clubs with some live music, if it can be Disneyfied just a bit. While basic services get further underfunded via tax breaks to developers and their clients, so around here, it's (getting to be like)like a guy with a hundred-dollar haircut and rotting incisors.

don, Friday, 9 December 2005 05:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, the vocals on that Marley's Ghost CD could definitely afford to be less mild, I agree. So could the music, frankly, when you get down to it. I'm not claiming it blew me away or anything. But I enjoyed it.

The book I refer to a couple posts above is actually *Spreadin' Rhythm Around: Black Popular Songwriters, 1880-1930* by David A Jasen and Gene Jones; I'm up through Bert Williams now, though, and I'm starting to lose interest in it a little. (Also, what I mistakingly call the "murder ballad" era up above -- late 1880s/early 1890s, I guess; I forget the precise time coordinates, but somewhere in there, once Tin Pan Alley and sheet music started displacing the traveling blackface tent shows that stopped at every town with a train station -- is actually refered to as the "tearjerker" era in the book. *Could* include murder songs, but also pretty much anything based on a sad newspaper article, like for instance a baby drowning in a bathtub. The beginning the end, the authors say, of American popular music losing its full dependency on European melodic structure, and the immediately subsequent coon-song era, despite relying on blatantly racist lyrics by definition, would instigate the emphasis on 4/4 beat that would soon result in ragtime, cakewalks, jazz, blues, and so on.)

Noticed in the *Times* this morning that the Grammys have a "best contemporary folk album" category now; is that new? Nominees are Springsteen, John Prine, Nickel Creek, Rodney Crowell, and Ry Cooder, I think - basicially, Triple A radio I guess. Have people decided once and for all that Bruce is a folk not a rock artist? Though interestingly, Alison Krauss is apparently nominated in the country category instead, which means they apparently don't think of *all* bluegrass as folk. And intriguing grouping, somehow, nonetheless; Nickel Creek and Crowell *are* more folk than country, seems to me.

xhuxk, Friday, 9 December 2005 14:17 (nineteen years ago) link

going thru all the Gary Allan CDs--piece comin' soon, Chuck--and I think he barely makes a misstep, so far (I had never heard the first one, which might be the weakest, needs another listen or two). "See If I Care" probably edges out "Smoke Rings in the Dark," if only because the two sides of his persona seem a bit more integrated on "See." "Songs about Rain" is definitely postmodern country, I guess, and "Guys Like Me" talks about how there are no bars left in Bakersfield and no wildlife in Tennessee (guess he's been turkey-hunting around here?). He does the whole bit of I'm-living-in-my-own-head but I need to get OUT better than Yoakam, and the music seems more full-bodied, sexier for sure, and there's a lot more disquiet around the edges--disquiet that's made flesh, musically. "Tough" seems to me a huge advance over his previous records.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 9 December 2005 15:14 (nineteen years ago) link

So what ever happened to Lila McCann? Is she still around? Found an (autographed by Lila!) copy of her 10-song 1997 self-titled (debut, I assume) CD for $3 on St Marks a couple days ago, and it's good -- favorite cuts are "Down Came A Blackbird" (Diddley beat), "Already Somebody's Lover" (but she hasn't met him yet and he might even be an artist in France), "Yippy Ky Yay" (got a long little dauchsand, just kidding), and "Saddle of My Dreams." I guess she was one of the first teenage country stars signed in Leann Rimes's wake, though more pop than Rimes was then (though less pop than Rimes was later). Did she does disappear, or have I just not been paying attention to her?

xhuxk, Friday, 9 December 2005 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link

(Also bought a $3 Apache Indian CD from 1995 which, like the $3 early '90s Daddy Freddy CD I bought last month, I definitely prefer to any reggae dancehall album I've heard in the past couple years. My theory: '80s dancehall > '90s dancehall > '00s dancehall, which I would post on some dancehall thread instead of here except I don't feel like getting in a flaming contest with anybody. The $3 Chaka Demus and Pliers CD I found was disappointing, though. Then again, it didn't have "Murder She Wrote" on it; I bet that one is better.) (And actually, I'd take '70s toasting records over '80s dancehall, too.)

xhuxk, Friday, 9 December 2005 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link

RE: chesney
its almost like hes suffocating.
i feel that. he's such a blank slate, it's maddening.

katie, a princess (katie, a princess), Friday, 9 December 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Chuck, read the Dylan book. He writes like the breeze and he gets under your skin. He's extremely good at describing an incident, catching a mood, young man in the world, mystery books on the shelves (Clausewitz, Balzac), bloody articles in the archives, sounds from the past but Mike Seeger has mastered that past so I, Bob Dylan, my calling is to do something different...

The music descriptions are the best thing! I now want to hear whatever I can by Roy Orbison, Harry Belafonte. I'd previously thought of Belafonte as just a good guy, an activist, a cheerful novelty singer. In Dylan's book he's a titan, he's Gorgeous George the wrestler, he's Cassius Clay, he's Hercules, he's Belmondo. "He was dramatic and intense on the screen, had a boyish smile and a hard-core hostility." "Everything about him was gigantic. The folk purists had a problem with him, but Harry - who could have kicked the shit out of all of them - couldn't be bothered, said that all folksingers were interpreters, said it in a public way as if someone had summoned him to set the record straight."

What the book doesn't do is dig into the why of Dylan. The man who sang "I hope that you die" and "you just wanna be on the side that's winning" and "look out kid, you're gonna get hit" and "a little boy lost, he takes himself so seriously; he brags of his misery, he likes to live dangerously," the man who's conscience then explodes at the end of the song, that man's not on these pages and not even acknowledged. I'm only half through, but so far there's the same evasiveness and disingenuousness that entered his music after 1966. Dylan never claimed to be any sort of spokesman? Wait, guy, you did too: "How much do I know, to talk out of turn; you might say that I'm young, you might say I'm unlearned..." And even if he hadn't sung that passage, he spoke, people heard, that's how you get made a spokesman. I can understand how in 1968 he wanted to build a house with picket fence and moat if necessary to build a protected life for wife and three kids, but he's the one earlier in the book who's hearing the truth in Billy Lyons rootin' the mountain down, Black Betty bam de lam. So, how did he get from dark Betty to house and white fence with mom and dad and buddy and sis?

Of course, this missing "why" leaves the space open for my book. No one does Dylan like Kogan (except maybe for Johnny Rivers, who Dylan extols as singing a better "Memphis" than Chuck Berry had and a better "Positively 4th Street" than he himself had).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Don - appropriately enough, Black Betty enters as the Ricky Nelson evocation continues:

I had been a big fan of Ricky's and still liked him, but that type of music was on its way out. It had no chance of meaning anything. There'd be no future for that stuff in the future. It was all a mistake. What was not a mistake was the ghost of Billy Lyons, rootin' the mountain down, standing 'round in East Cairo, Black Betty bam de lam. That was no mistake. That's the stuff that was happening. That's the stuff that could make you question what you'd always accepted, could litter the landscape with broken hearts, had power of spirit. Ricky, as usual, was singing bleached out lyrics. Lyrics probably written just for him. I'd always felt kin to him, though. We were about the same age, probably liked the same things, from the same generation although our life experience had been so dissimilar, him being brought up out West on a family TV show. It was like he'd been born and raised on Walden Pond where everything was hunky-dory, and I'd come out of the dark demonic woods, same forest, just a different way of looking at things. Ricky's talent was very accessible to me. I felt we had a lot in common. In a few years' time he'd record some of my songs, make them sound like they were his own, like he had written them himself. He eventually did write one himself and mentioned my name in it. Ricky, in about ten years' time, would even get booed while onstage for changing what was perceived as his musical direction. It turned out we did have a lot in common.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha, Katie, I just checked your Website, where you link your review of Lamb that says, "it's feasible to be sexy without being intimate." Would that apply to Chesney?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Ok, Frank, you've convinced me; now all I gotta do is get ahold of a copy (if I was ever sent one, which I think I wasn't, it's long gone.)

Joey Daniels' *Take Me Off The Market* is good catchy upbeat post-Shania/Jamie O'Neal-mode suburban secretarial-pool pop country on an indie label out of Florida; it'd probably be better if Joey let other people write more songs ("Kiss N Tell," Hallmark tropes about some new Perfect Guy she's fond of a la "He lights the candles/Puts the music on/Tells me I'm beautiful/Sometimes I think I'm dreaming/It's so wonderful," borders on embarassing), but I like almost every track so far anyway -- the title track the most so far, probably. (Sounds familiar too -- is there a CMT video, maybe?) In "Miracle" her singing gets adult-contemporary-bombastic Celine Dion style, almost. I wish I could describe singing voices half as good as Frank can, but that is not one of my skills, sadly. Anyway, Joey has a real one.

xhuxk, Friday, 9 December 2005 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Orbison, though, transcended all the genres - folk, country, rock and roll or just about anything. His stuff mixed all the styles and some that hadn't even been invented yet. He could sound mean and nasty on one line and then sing in a falsetto voice like Frankie Valli in the next. With Roy, you didn't know if you were listening to mariachi or opera. He kept you on your toes. With him, it was all about fat and blood. He sounded like he was singing from an Olympian mountaintop and he meant business. One of his early songs, "Ooby Dooby," had been popular way previously, but this new song of his ["Running Scared"] was nothing like that. "Ooby Dooby" was deceptively simple, but Roy had progressed. He was now singing his compositions in three or four octaves that made you want to drive your car over a cliff. He sang like a professional criminal. Typically, he'd start out in some low, barely audible range, stay there a while and then astonishingly slip into histrionics. His voice would jar a corpse, always leave you muttering to yourself something like, "Man, I don't believe it." His songs had songs within songs. They shifted from major to minor key without any logic. Orbison was deadly serious - no pollywog and no fledgeling juvenile. There wasn't anything else on the radio like him. I'd listen and wait for another song, but next to Roy the playlist was strictly dullsville... gutless and flabby. It all came at you like you didn't have a brain.
Bob Dylan, Chronicles Volume One

(I'm impressed by how Dylan inserts audacious description ["He was now singing his compositions in three or four octaves that made you want to drive your car over a cliff. He sang like a professional criminal."] without losing the casual flow.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:55 (nineteen years ago) link

the man who's conscience then explodes at the end of the song

whose conscience, that is

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 9 December 2005 20:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I've been reading around in that book at the library, setting it on random play, like I've done with yours (and still hoping you'll do a CD of readings, so I can do that literally). Even more casual flow is in the first passage you quote, which I hadn't seen til now, where he goes from saying that Ricky seemed like he'd "had everything handed to him" around Walden Pond, while Mr D. had "come out of the dark demonic woods" and then says "I felt we had a lot in common"! But he's not just (only) messing with Ricky or us, cause in between he says, "his talent was very accessible to me." So, does that explain the compatibilty claim? Well kinda: he's self-aware enough to know he likes the music, despite the impression it gives him of the singer, and to some degree *because* of the impression: he enjoys the life-is-goood mild creamy enjoyment that Prince Ricky brings to the song (rather than spoiled petulance, or anxiety, or anything not so enjoyable, that a poor little rich boy *could* bring to it). And maybe young Bobby (the one in old Bob's well-savored/savory memory) is listening and thinking he'll have the Good Life too, with that picket fence and all. But also: this whole little sequence is a setup, so we (or at least I) don't get to what degree he *is* setting us up, in going from quick (and somewhat self-aggrandizing, except it's *Dylan*'s self/persona)contrast to that "lot in common" shit--he's still screwing with us, man!!!Mistuh Jones. As far as his home on the road, his way of maybe having the picket fence and some Black Betty too, see for inst Howard Soales' Down The Highway (finds the paper trail to everything from the motorcycle accident, which, it turns out, was not a coverup for something else, to secret second familiy, speaking of Black Betty). But the parts I remember best are about the road (through the paper trail, as best he can manage).

don, Friday, 9 December 2005 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Speaking of which, is that new Yolanda Perez post-Latin-freestyle bubble-banda polkaton border-hop pop CD the album of the year or what? (Probably not, but way the heck up there, no doubt about that.)

What I notice about it so far is that the horns have tinny mutes, making them sound like tinker toys on every track. Will have to give this a bunch of spins before I say more.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 9 December 2005 22:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Speaking of Mexican horns, they're deployed on a couple of tracks on Bobby Bare's mid '60s best-of compilation, and these tracks have no other Latino content - that is, no tequilas or haciendas or señoritas in the lyrics, nothing in the singing or the nonhorn parts that evoke lands south of the border. They're just there.

(Just as Spanish guitar appears all the time these days in MOR pop and r&b ballads, I suppose, though the feel is sentimental in today's pop, while the mariachi horns added tang to the old Nashville.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 9 December 2005 23:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I still don't know what to make of those backup strings and chorus singers on those early Bare sides. I suppose you need some sound to fill in the background, to prevent the songs from sounding austere; the choral singers, who sound as square and swingless as one can imagine, add an irrelevant sense of piety to everything. As I said, the strings and choral singers all seem backprojected, so they don't integrate with or particularly interfere with the hard twang or the rhythm of the guitars. But those backup singers are incongruously cheery on something like "Four Strong Winds," the lyrics of which seem to be a migrant worker's lament: "But my good times are all gone, so I'm bound for movin' on. I'll look for you if I'm ever back this way."

As for lyrics, where they veer towards social commentary, it's with concerns - plight of displaced workers, for instance - that can play to either left or right, which may be why later on he felt at ease with both Atkins and the outlaws (or they with him, anyway). He did cover "Blowin' in the Wind" early on, and his second album has a song called "Lynchin' Party" that I've never heard. I don't know if this was gutsy or not in early '60s Nashville, but those songs couldn't have pleased everyone there.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 9 December 2005 23:24 (nineteen years ago) link

> wish I could describe singing voices half as good as Frank can, but that is not one of my skills, sadly. Anyway, Joey has a real one.<

Interestingly (or maybe not), it's her vocal inflections more than her arrangements (which are energetic, but not in any sort of Mutt Lange Def Lep Europop country way) that remind me most of Shania.

xhuxk, Friday, 9 December 2005 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link

So the arrangements on The Moon Was Blue are more integrated than those on the early records, and the sound is richer. The upper end of his voice, which made "Detroit City" soar, is now all gone, and he sings with the frailty of age.

The first four tracks are the four best, which is one reason I was so enthused upthread. His frailty weakens some of the other tracks, particularly a mercifully brief version of "My Heart Cries for You." "It's All in the Game" sounds nice, but hearing it makes me want to play Isaac Hayes' lush and wicked version instead.

Only on the last three tracks do the horns and reverb effects become intrusive enough to be irritating. And even so, on one of these, "Shine On Harvest Moon," all the camping it up and rib-jabbing unleashes genuine joy in Bare's singing. And it suddenly dawns on me what a great song "Shine On Harvest Moon" is. All these songs are good ones.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 9 December 2005 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the strings and singers sometimes work quite well on the early Bare stuff. Streets of Baltimore especially, where they are the soundtrack of the big city bright lights his baby loves more than him. Sometimes they are just crossover writ large--but crossing over into what? It's as if the Nashville Sound was somewhat schizoid in its relation to pop music, as if it didn't really get how to handle the possibilities and so tried everything. Then again, it often worked commercially: Shame on Me was a huge hit, maybe the first Nashville country production with horns, and I actually hear the Latin influence less in the horns (which kinda blend in nicely) and more in the rhythm, which is almost country samba in what happens to the typical tick-tack Nashville drumming. Interesting to compare to the tick-tack on Detroit City, another track where against odds the background singers and strings work for me because a) they don't overwhelm the killer single-note electric guitar riff and b) they just sound plain lonely, albeit square and swingless. The mood of the singer and the song is the same, and there's a weird tension in the push of the rhythm track and guitar and the pulling away of the voices and strings in his bumming head.

The thing about "Blowin in the Wind," obviously, is that everybody covered it and by 1965 it had become a standard of sorts--and Bare always had a folkie tendency ("500 Miles" etc). I'm pretty sure Eddy Arnold and Glen Campbell recorded it before Bare in their own country/folky phases. Chet Atkins might have been behind all of that, for all I know.

Now I'm thinking: could the horns on those Bare tracks be the "western" in the "country and western"? An evocation of the West via a vague Mexican allusion even when it has nothing to do with the song itself?

I like the new Bare but haven't played it much since I got it. His voice is gone, and I have a hard time hearing it. That doesn't bother me so much with Prine for some reason. I saw Bare do a set at the Americana Music Association this past September. Utterly subdued cycle of songs, with a band held together by Paul Burch's rhythm guitar, but good selections, and by no means a phone-in.

Roy Kasten, Saturday, 10 December 2005 00:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Cash covered some Dylan songs pretty early,and also appeared at the Newport Folk Festival, a good crossover move. But might've also been a nuthin-left-to-loose move, cos his country-per-se career was getting bit wobbly then. (Think this was around the same time he was banned from the Opry for tearing shit up onstage in a speedrage, as depicted in aforementioned Walk The Line.)Bare had been around for a while too, had a few hits, but also may not have had that much to lose. Nice bit with Cash and Dyl singing with (in the sense they're in the same room, in the same mood, though not same key) a Hank song, backstage in No Direction Home. (Frank, you oughta rent that, and if it won't play on yr computer, I bet you've got some friend with a TV who wouldn't mind watching it, even if they saw the broadcast; there's a lot more on the DVD, I think, although I only saw the broadcast, but even that basic doc is very meaty.) xpost Grammys: xxhuxx, I think for the big boys, at least, they can get into different categories: like, Time Out Of Mind won Album Of The Year; Love & Theft won Best Comtemporary Folk (should've been the other way around.) And Dyl gets nominated in Rock all along. xpost that Yolanda album seems like a clockwatching runthrough or something, after the first few tracks. And some of the banda, especially, seems like the verses are just filler, leaving it all up to the chorus (and dutiful-sounding musos). I'll listen some more, but is this really up to her usual?

don, Saturday, 10 December 2005 01:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Don, so far I'm disappointed with the Yolanda album, but it's different enough - definitely an attempt to mix banda into a whole lot of nonbanda - for me to think I need to listen more. Also, banda is a foreign genre to my ears, hence the in-one-ear-out-the-other problem, and the I can't-differentiate-what-the-hell-is-going-on problem, which is my problem not the music's.

Last year's "Juran Y Juran" is one of the most gorgeous and delicious and playful "get lost, buster" songs I've heard in my life.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 10 December 2005 01:29 (nineteen years ago) link

"Blowin' in the Wind" may have been a standard (the Peter, Paul, and Mary version went top ten in 1963), but it's still a civil rights song.

The strings and background singers on "Detroit City" work for me, too. Maybe this is because they provide the official swelling pathos, allowing Bobby to lay back and just sing, which he does beautifully.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 10 December 2005 01:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not totally sure about Bare not having had much to lose; his career was just starting to take off in '63 and '64. "Blowin' In the Wind" hadn't lost its civil rights meaning, but I think it represented to Atkins (who did a version around the same time) and Bare a desirable market/audience as well. But yeah recording it then was some kind of statement of allegiance--in a different way than say for Flatt and Scruggs. By the way, anybody else like Dolly's version from her album this year? She sings all the idealist soul back into it, but then she's Dolly.

Roy Kasten, Saturday, 10 December 2005 02:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, I thought Bare's career was in the doldrums then, not really nuthin left to lose as much as nuthin to light the fuse, anybody got a match?That's the way I shoulda put it. ( speaking of self-editing xposts) Haven't heard a note of that Dolly album; is there a video?

don, Sunday, 11 December 2005 08:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm TV-less so no clue if there's a video. I like the album more than I thought I would. I was sure the last thing the world needed was another version of "Blowin' In the Wind" (not to mention "Bobbe McGee" and "Crimson and Clover") but that wasn't the first time I was wrong. I could have done without "Imagine" (or at least without what she does with it) but it's an inevitable closer, given the hyper-idealist album concept.

Roy Kasten, Sunday, 11 December 2005 19:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Nashville Scene country poll email showed up today. If any writers here didn't get the email and want info on how to vote, I could probably help. Email me: rfkasten at swbell dot net

Roy Kasten, Tuesday, 13 December 2005 00:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Just sent mine in to Geoff Himes, so it wouldn't be hanging over my head like my (more or less solidified but not yet filed) P&J ballot still is; gave *very* little thought to the categories beyond albums, singles, and reissues, just like every other year I've done this:

Chuck Eddy's Nashiville Scene Poll Ballot, 2005

TOP TEN COUNTRY ALBUMS OF 2005:
1. Miranda Lambert - Kerosene (Epic)
2. Deana Carter - The Story of My Life (Vanguard)
3. Gary Allan - Tough All Over (MCA Nashville)
4. Jamie O'Neal - Brave (EMI/Capitol)
5. Shooter Jennings - Put the O Back in Country (Universal South)
6. Lee Ann Womack - There's More Where That Came From (MCA Nashville)
7. Dallas Wayne - I'm Your Biggest Fan (Koch)
8. Big & Rich - Comin' To Your City (Warner Bros.)
9. Elizabeth McQueen and the Firebrands - Happy Doing What We're Doing (Freedom)
10. Little Big Town - The Road to Here (Equity Music Group)

TOP TEN COUNTRY SINGLES OF 2005:
1. Shooter Jennings featuring George Jones - 4th of July (Universal South)
2. Miranda Lambert - Kerosene (Epic)
3. Dierks Bentley - Lot of Leavin' Left to Do (EMI)
4. Kentucky Headhunters - Big Boss Man (CMUJ Entertainment)
5. Erika Jo - I Break Things (Universal South)
6. Deana Carter - The Girl You Left Me For (Vanguard)
7. Toby Keith - As Good As I Once Was (Dreamworks)
8. Brad Paisley - Alcohol (Arista Nashville)
9. Tim McGraw - Drugs or Jesus (Curb)
10. Shannon Brown - Corn Fed (Warner Bros)

TOP FIVE COUNTRY REISSUES OF 2005:
1. *Good For What Ails You: Music of the Medicine Shows: 1926-1937* (Old Hat)
2. *You Ain't Talkin to Me: Charlie Poole and the Roots of Country Music* (Columbia/Legacy)
3. David Allen Coe - *Penitentiary Blues* (Hacktone)
4. *The Dukes of Hazzard* (Columbia/Sony Music Soundtrax)
5. Rosanne Cash - *Seven Year Ache* (Columbia/Legacy)

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST MALE VOCALISTS OF 2005:
1. Gary Allan
2. Toby Keith
3. Kenny Chesney

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST FEMALE VOCALISTS OF 2005:
1. Miranda Lambert
2. Deana Carter
3. Shannon Brown

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST SONGWRITERS OF 2005:
1. John Rich
2. Miranda Lambert
3. Deana Carter

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST DUOS, TRIOS OR GROUPS OF 2005:
1. Big & Rich
2. Little Big Town
3. Odyssey Band

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST INSTRUMENTALISTS OF 2005:
1. James "Blood" Ulmer
2 Leroy Powell
3. Shooter Jennings

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST NEW ACTS OF 2005:
1. Miranda Lambert
2. Shooter Jennings
3. Shannon Brown

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST OVERALL ACTS OF 2005:
1. Miranda Lambert
2. Deana Carter
3. Big & Rich

xhuxk, Wednesday, 14 December 2005 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Best Country
1 Marty Stuart & His Fabulous Superlatives – Souls’ Chapel
2) Lee Ann Womack – There’s More Where That Came From
3) Gary Allan – Tough All Over
4) Deana Carter – Story of My Life
5) Thad Cockrell & Caitlin Cary -- Begonias
6) Abigail Washburn – Song of a Traveling Daughter
7) Jimmie Dale Gilmore – Come on Back
8) Joy Lynn White – One More Time
9) Shooter Jennings – Put the O Back In Country
10) Dierks Bentley – Modern Day Drifter

Singles
1) “Best I Ever Had” – Gary Allan
2) “Kerosene” – Miranda Lambert
3) “Move Along Train” – Marty Stuart & Mavis Staples
4) “4th of July” – Shooter Jennings
5) “Johnny Met June" – Shelby Lynne
6) “Chicago Wind” – Merle Haggard
7) “I May Hate Myself In the Morning” – Lee Ann Womack
8) "Lot of Leavin' Left to Do" -- Dierks Bentley
9) “Dance Hall Girls” – The Duhks
10) “Atlanta & Birmingham” – Deana Carter

Reissues
1) You Ain't Talkin to Me -- Charlie Poole
2) Good For What Ails You: Music of the Medicine Shows: 1926-1937
3) Country Songs For City Folks/Memphis Beat – Jerry Lee Lewis
4) Little Darlin Sound of Jeannie C Riley – Jeannie C Riley
5) Little Darlin Sound of Should Have Been Hits

Best Male Vocalist
1) Gary Allan
2) Marty Stuart
3) Brad Paisley

Female Vocalist
1) Joy Lynn White
2) Lee Ann Womack
3) Deana Carter

Best Songwriters
1) Deana Carter
2) Shelby Lynne
3) Joy Lynn White

Best Duos/Groups
1) Thad Cockrell and Caitlin Cary
2) The Duhks
3) Reckless Kelly

Best Instrumentalists
1) Jerry Douglas
2) Norman Blake
3) Kenny Vaughn

Best New Acts
1) Shooter Jennings
2) Thad Cockrell & Caitlin Cary
3) Miranda Lambert

Best Overall Acts
1) Marty Stuart & His Fabulous Superlatives
2) Deana Carter
3) Shooter Jennings

Roy Kasten, Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I violated the Scene's "singles" rule, but fuck it, they can disqualify me. Commercial stations should play more than what test market tests say they should. My album list is way more alty-country than I’d like. Despite some fine singles, the mainstream seemed diluted by a focus on focus tracks, though there’s a long country tradition of that. Too much filler, too quick to the racks, too bet-hedging. Even Patty Loveless, who I generally love, seemed to coast through professional diffuseness and complacency. But I guess she isn’t mainstream anymore, so what do I know.

Roy Kasten, Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I am sory for the massive text dump, but my nashville scene list, and i also violated the list for singles, and have the same feelings as kasten:

1. Cowboy Troy—Loco Motion
Comments:  Think of the eclecticism here (in subject mater, language,
vocal style, instrumentation) as iron filling and the presence/skill
of Troy as a magnet.
2. Neko Case—The Tigers Have Spoken
Comments: Holy fuck can this woman sing. She chooses some of the most
emotive vocalists in female music (Loretta Lynn, Marge Ganser) and
sings them differently. This would seem to be supreme arrogance, but
her skills are so strong and so adaptable, that her versions become
indispensable, without overwhelming history. Think of all the women
who sang Silver Threads and Golden Needles, for example, and how
hungry the listener would be if there were only one version recorded.
3.  Brad Paisley—Time Well Wasted
With in a week of this album's release, I wrote 3000 words on it, not
because it was good but because I could not reconcile it in my head. I
still cannot. I fear it's not very good, but it's ambitious, and
honest. Sometimes that's all a critic can ask for.
4.  Lee Ann Womack—There's More Where That Came From
I wrote about the politics in the single section—and that's important.
But the music here, the wit and speed of the playing, the low growling
of Womack's contralto, and the pockmarked sheen of Countrypolitian era
Nashville, make this one of the most rewarding albums, aurally.
5. Alasdair Roberts—No Earthly Man
Will Oldham drags the best Child Ballad singer back to North Carolina,
and they make a harsh, discordant and violent album of murder ballads.
For people used to the sheer prettiness of Roberts's voice, the long
sections of feedback and noise are a shock. The connection between the
discord in the music and the discord in the record made me think about
these centuries old songs differently.
6. Gogol Bordello—Gypsy Punk
One of the grand meta-narratives of Country music is the settling of
immigrants and the redemption of the poor. There is a metonymy in
making mountain music slickly commercial and making mountain people
solidly middle class—in the road from Hank Williams to Porter Wagoner
to Kenny Chesney. I find something similar in how Bordello works the
history of Russian immigrants in New York in the 20th century. He
updates and deconstructs folk music, but raw, raging, angry shit as
well. I wish someone would do something similar to Nashville
7. Toby Keith—Honky Tonk U
Anything that mentions threesomes and hot tubs is worth giving massive
points too.
8. Gretchen Wilson—Here for the Party
The best thing that Wilson ever did was convincing the world that she
was just another redneck woman. She's too seasoned a performer, and
her writers are too clever for the small-town girl act to last much
longer, but I like that the toughness of women I grew up with is being
talked about.
9.  Dwight Yoakham—Blame the Vain
Even at his most pedestrian, Dwight is better then 99 per cent of
people playing similar games.
10. Richard Thompson—Front Parlor Ballads
There is a song on this album called Cressida that is such a small
dark melancholic thing that it infests the rest of the album. That
infestation makes the hard craft of this album eerie and haunting.

TOP TEN COUNTRY SINGLES OF 2005:

1. Jason Aldean---Hicktown
Comments: The best thing about this isn't how hard it rocks (but it
does), or how raw Aldeans voice is (but it is) or how much fun
everyone is having (and its the most entertaining single of the year)
or how ramped up the production is (that's Big and Richs doing) but
how authentic the cultural signifiers seem to be (a small list: White
Rain, Pall Malls, Bingo, Mudding, Buying Beer at Amoco) (From My Blog)


2. Brad Paisley--Where I Get where I am Going
Comments: I think the rest of Paisley's explicit traditionalism goes
against him. His songs with women are often misogynist, his political
work is often retrograde, his humor is borscht belt stale, but his god
work is astonishing. It comes deep and long, a personal, not political
explicitness that features his simplest playing and his most earnest
singing. There is nothing new here, but because it lacks evangelism,
and does not tie God to the flag, its holiness moves slowly and
earnestly. In this age of Bush and Blair, of fake church going and bad
pseudo metal in churches the size of small towns, which look
architecturally like Wal-Marts, having something that sounds like this
is like a balm in Gilead.

3. Joe Nichols--Tequila Makes her Clothes come Off
Comments: The look that Nichols has in the video for this is a satyr's
leer is one of the most erotic things to come out of Nashville.  Add
the good ol' boy roll of the song, his baritone lighter and more fluid
then Toby Keith's strum and drang, and forget about the awkward
product placement.

4. Jessica Simpson--These Boots were made for Walking.
Comments: Deeply underrated because of Smith's outer life, and because
Dukes of Hazard: The Movie was shit, has the mad genrefucking expected
in the Muzik Mafia, but less self consciously constructed for
authenticity.  Incredibly good fun.

5. Toby Keith and Merle Haggard—She Ain't Hooked on Me No More
Comments: I gave this album a mediocre review when it first came out,
and then listened to it again, and was wondering why. I guess I am
somewhat sick of the Toby Keith Patriotism and Easy Sex tour, and
noticed the mythmaking and personae building, ignoring what was good
about it. The way that these two men sing together, their voices like
sandpaper burnishing steel, its almost as good as Johnny Cash working
against Bob Dylan in A Girl From North Country.

6. kd lang—Dreams of An Everyday Housewife
Comments: Camp often remakes of melancholy tragedy, the grind of
everyday disaster is made ludicrous and serious at the same time, so
the listener can feel deeply and be above feeling deeply at the same
time. Gay men invented it because they were not allowed in, and wanted
to be. Desperate Housewives is camp for straight woman, realizing that
being allowed in is filled with as much bloody clawing. This song, on
the soundtrack, is lesbian camp. kd lang went from being the
reincarnation of Patsy Cline to being a brilliantly louche
interpretive singer. So there are about four levels to this song.
There is a notice that the people who listen to country these days are
suburban women and that demographically the soundtrack should include
a large chunk of that country. Then there is a butch lesbian singing
as a man to a femme, domesticated woman, Drag being integral to camp.
Then the song she chooses is by Glenn Campbell, who worked between
Nashville and Old Vegas, as lang does. Then she sings it with great
seriousness and even greater tragedy, the song is claustrophobic with
desire.  If the song failed as an object, the inter-textual cleverness
doesn't matter. kd lang is so underrated as an arranger and a singer,
this will also be forgotten

7. Lee Ann Womack—When I Think About Cheating
Comments: The thing that people forget about cheating, is that it's so
much fun. There have been many songs this year about uncomplicated
pleasures and albums equally about god and sin, with out any attempts
at finding the balance between the two, the exquisite anguish of
sexual desire both legitimate and illegitimate. This may not be the
best example of it on the album, but it's the most contained and the
best sung. The aching arching voices here remind me of aching, arching
bodies.

8. Josh Gracin--Big Brass Bed
It turned me on.

9. Miranda Lambert—Kerosene
Comments: "Forget you high society, I'm soakin' it in Kerosene/Light
'em up and watch them burn, teach them what they need to learn HA!"
Come the Revolution, Miranda is going to be putting heads on pikes a
lot quicker then Zach Le Rochas.

10. Tim McGraw—Drugs or Jesus
I live in a small town, its pretty fucking close to the way things run.


TOP FIVE COUNTRY REISSUES OF 2005:

1. Faron Young—Hillbilly Heart Throb
2. You Ain't Talking to Me: Charlie Poole and the Roots of Country Music
Comments: Maybe before I die, the Banjo will get as much respect as the guitar.
3. Porter Wagoner—Misery Loves Company.
Masked Weasel has done a dozen or so recordings of non-typical early
recordings of country stars that came to age in the 60s and 70s. I
like this one because all of the elements of Wagner's sticky slick
genius are in place and his barely controlled lust as well.
4. The Rough Guide to the Music of the Balkan Gypsies
Comments: It's in the fiddles. It's in the hunger. It's in the
rambling. All of this hits my country buttons, the cheating songs, the
drinking songs, the loving songs, the poverty songs—they are all here.
Everything you want from country comes from the Romany, even if the
Scots and the Africans came to America first.


COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST MALE VOCALISTS OF 2005:

1. Brad Paisley
2. Joe Nichols
3. kd lang
How she presents gender, and how she constructs it, is primarily
masculine, and her country work this year has been very phallic.
Gender is mutable and about presentation.

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST FEMALE VOCALISTS OF 2005:

1. Lee Ann Womack
2. Trisha Yearwood
3.Gretchen Wilson

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST LIVE ACTS OF 2005:

1. Jason McCoy
2. Big and Rich
3. Kelly Hogan
Singing Papa is a Rodeo; she sits still, closes her eyes, and looks
up.  That transcendence was better then any of the stadium shows I
have seen this year.

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST SONGWRITERS OF 2005:

1. Big and Rich
2. John Darnielle
3. Corb Lund
Corb is a local boy done somewhat good, best at references that are
tied very close to the land where he grows up, with out making it
sound like he's doing that. Also manages to avoid the deadly
seriousness of the singer-songwriter genre.

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST DUOS, TRIOS OR GROUPS OF 2005:

1. Big and Rich
2. Montgomery Gentry
I really should like their brand of All American silly fascism much
less then I do.
3. Ha-Ash
Mexican Popish Country, reminds me of how close the border is, and how
transparent, and how young folks these days are seeming to listen to
everything and mash it all through up. Tender, sweet and generous.

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST INSTRUMENTALISTS OF 2005:

1. Mitch Marine
2. Sean Paddock
3. Yuri Lemeshev

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST NEW ACTS OF 2005:

1. Ha-Ash
2. Martha Wainwright
Her parents and brother are famous, she's been playing in clubs and
bars for a decade or more, but the rawness and the wit of Bloody
Mother Fucking Asshole broke her wide open. Lightening Strikes twice
in the same family sometimes.
3. Cowboy Troy

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST OVERALL ACTS OF 2005:

1. Lee Ann Womack
2. Alasdair Roberts
3. Toby Keith

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 15 December 2005 23:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I really liked your comments, Anthony! But Gretchen and Neko are 2004 releases.
Roy

Roy Kasten, Friday, 16 December 2005 02:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I really liked your comments, Anthony! But Gretchen and Neko are 2004 releases.

Roy Kasten, Friday, 16 December 2005 02:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Oops, I didn't mean to post that twice.

Roy Kasten, Friday, 16 December 2005 02:22 (nineteen years ago) link

i heard them in 2005, neko was really close, wasn't it?

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 16 December 2005 02:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah. I just wasn't sure you wanted to waste two of your album votes on '04 choices (they'll get disqualified). Though the same thing will happen to some of my singles, so who am I to talk.

Roy Kasten, Friday, 16 December 2005 03:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Not sure what getting "disqualified" would matter, unless they actually had a shot at finishing on the big chart, which, since they're 2004 releases, they probably won't. So I don't really see what difference it makes, and with singles especially, the rule is ridiculous and impossible to enforce and I'm sure Geoff Himes knows that. I kept *Blake Shelton's Barn and Grill* and Kenny Chesney's "Anything But Mine" off my ballot more for reasons of expediency (too much other stuff I wanted to list) than because of any explicit rule; technically, "Drugs or Jesus" may not qualify either (when did it come out as a single?), but who cares? {By the way, the comments I sent in were 98 percent modified versions of what I'd already written on this thread, so no need to re-post them; if you want to read them, feel free to email me, and I'll send them to you. I think Roy is completely wrong in the alt-vs-pop debate, but that shouldn't surprise anybody. Still think *Begonias* is a sexless piece of gentility and the Joy Lynn White CD has one decent song, the one about girls with apartments in Nashville. Still think kd lang is ridiculous. Mentioned Begonias on my ballot; not white or lang, though what I think about them is up above. Really need to hear Ha-Ash still, I guess; oddly, the 3 Mexican CD stores in my neighborhood (or, now, two, since one closed last month) don't seem to carry it.}

xhuxk, Friday, 16 December 2005 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Amazing comments, Anthony! I dig your visions, though they're not mine (well some of 'em are), but it's always good to have more. Yeah, if only more country male vocalists could be magnets, compelling all that filler to zoom in! Before reading that, was just thinking about how I may leave off the Best Male Vocalists, cos most are only as good as their material. Fortunately for some, like Gary Allan, the material is pretty good--hey, he does bring something illuminating to that damn Vertical Horizon song, which turns out to be pretty good after all--though may be more the context of the album than vocal? Nah, it's both, so mebbe he's one of the Best, h'mm.

don, Friday, 16 December 2005 15:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Just clarifying: My feeling about the relative weakness of mainstream albums this year has nothing to do with "alt vs. pop." That distinction is bogus in country as elsewhere. What I mean by mainstream isn't much more precise, but I'm thinking about those records with the infrastructure and push to make it in the market. The Nashville industry gave my ears lots of terrific singles but too many of the albums fell flat over the long play. This isn't a news flash. Country, especially out of Nashville, has long been a singles genre. I just didn't think the albums from many of the heavy hitters came through.

Roy Kasten, Friday, 16 December 2005 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

See, that's what I totally disagree with, Roy, and sorry, but it DOES sound like an alt vs. pop dichotomy. In my experience, this year, the best Nashville albums were way *more* consistent -- deeper, more full of surprises that didn't initially reveal themselves -- than the best alt-country ones I've heard. Maybe that's despite the Nashville infrastructure you're upset at; but just as likely, the Nashville infrastructure helps make albums *better,* especially at a time when albums produce multiple hit singles. Then again, lots of my favorite albums ever (not just in country) are by alleged one-hit-wonders, so this is nothing new. Maybe I'm misreading your argument, but you seem to be saying that the mere existence of or emphasis on focus tracks *makes* the other songs filler. But I don't hear that at all. (What the heck, here's the paragraph I sent about that on my ballot):

"Alt-country single (and most rocking suicide song) of the year: "Callin' In Dead" by Mazey Gardens & the Brick Hit House Band, disguised (all the way down to the attic-wrinkled-for-three-decades generic 7-inch sleeve) to look like a reissue of a minor country hit (on the apparently phony Åmbassador Records) from 1972. Koch and Sugar Hill did an okay job in helping me not completely hate alt-country this year, too, so kudos to them.But one thing I noticed about my country listening this year is that most of the more alt-country-leaning stuff I liked (Duhks, Donna the Buffalo, Maybelles, Patrcia Vonne, Hacienda Brothers, Reckless Kelly, Billy Don Burns) wound up being shelved for future reference after initially knocking me out (maybe I'm just impressed that alt-country finally seems to be acknowledging that music should have some rhythm in it?), whereas the stuff that kept growing on me and revealing new things about itself seemed mostly to be from Nashville (which is dancing more than it used to these days as well, obviously.) So my top ten, as usual, wound up way more pop than alt, again. But nobody can say I didn't try for the other side. Still: Switching off one summer night between new albums by apparent alt-country Missourians the Domino Kings and the Morells (both on Hightone), I was thinking "not completely horrible as alt-c&w goes", until Van Zant's new album came up next in my CD player by accident, and it totally trounced them with its eyes closed and mine closed too. (Good thing it wasn't on a computer, though.) And then there's Caitlin Cary & Thad Cockrell's *Begonias*: Listened to this 'cuz Bob Christgau said I should. He loves the opening track, a sort of lamenting-our-open-marriage duet, and i guess it's pretty nifty as blando alt-country with vaguely pretty singing and a decent melody and no other music to speak of goes. I like the song where some girl escapes halfway to Califonia better, since lyrics about California let alt-country bands have hooks that aren't otherwise allowed. And the one about waiting for some girl named June in January was slightly clever. But still: way too NPR, way too genteel, way too afraid of the messiness of life and afraid of life in general. Bob seemed seemed to think it's kinda sexy; I think it's kinda sexless. Caitlin used to be in Whiskeytown, right? Don't remember if I ever heard them."

I liked lots of Anthony's comments, too, by the way! Especially the ones about how gypsy and Mexian music should count as country, too.


xhuxk, Friday, 16 December 2005 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, here's my Scene ballot. I got comments, but not quite yet. Blake Shelton's album came out late in '04, around Nov. 1, so seems to me you could make a case for it "making its impact" in '05 anyway? Like Pazz/Jop rules say. I dig Anthony's take, it's not exactly mine--I find "Hicktown" stupid not stoopid--and I find K.D. boutique-y, very nice voice. I decided to get around what in my mind is the hardest part of this, the songwriters' section, by giving Amy Rigby some props, because she was up until recently a Nashvillian, and she's a kinda great songwriter who expresses something about Nashville-esque themes of broken marriages, broken dreams, living in the past and liking it but wishing she had a better future, etc., and does it well. Plus she tried to really make it as a Nashville songwriter and found out how tough it is. Anyway, I don't think she's a great singer but I liked her last record a lot.

As far as albums vs. singles, I do think that Deana, Gary and Cantrell, for ex., work really well as unified statements, esp. Gary Allan, where the tone is so perfectly achieved that you can just lull along with it without realizing how dark the thing is. But yeah, another year in Nashville, and I dunno, seems to me maybe that the whole thing that has had alt opposing country maybe disappeared somewhat, given the Duhks and Nickel Creek, etc., and Donna the Buffalo, whose record I really liked in parts...? The most interesting thing, to me, was the neo-politan leanings of Bare and the way country just went pop-pop with Deana's record and those two great Keith Anderson singles and Dierks' single, just such pure, perfect pop music that all the old antipathy, alt or not, seems kinda old-fashioned and irrelevant to me--these artists are really doin' it, no nostalgia or alt- needed? And I had to put "Big Boss Man" in; such a needed piece o' sleaze and halfway not-givin'-a-fuck, in the end I quite enjoyed pestering my friends with their album, so maybe country is rock and roll now too.


TOP TEN COUNTRY ALBUMS OF 2005:

1. Gary Allan, Tough All Over (MCA Nashville)
2. Deana Carter, The Story of My Life (Vanguard)
3. Sara Evans, Real Fine Place (RCA)
4. Dwight Yoakam, Blame the Vain (New West)
5. Bobby Bare, The Moon Was Blue (Dualtone)
6. Reckless Kelly, Wicked Twisted Road (Sugar Hill)
7. Big & Rich, Comin' to Your City (Warner Bros.)
8. Laura Cantrell, Humming by the Flowered Vine (Matador)
9. Amy Rigby, Little Fugitive (Signature Sounds)
10. Brad Paisley, Time Well Wasted (Arista Nashville)

TOP TEN COUNTRY SINGLES OF 2005:

1. "Best I Ever Had," Gary Allan (MCA Nashville)
2. "Lot of Leavin' Left to Do," Dierks Bentley (Capitol)
3. "Alcohol," Brad Paisley (Arista)
4. "XXL," Keith Anderson (Arista Nashville)
5. "Intentional Heartache," Dwight Yoakam (New West)
6. "Kerosene," Miranda Lambert (Epic)
7. "Real Fine Place," Sara Evans (RCA)
8. "Pickin' Wildflowers," Keith Anderson (Arista Nashville)
9. "Mississippi Girl," Faith Hill (Warner Bros.)
10. "Big Boss Man," The Kentucky Headhunters (CMJU Entertainment)

TOP FIVE COUNTRY REISSUES OF 2005:

1. Terry Allen, The Silent Majority: Terry Allen's Greatest Missed Hits (Sugar Hill)
2. You Ain't Talking to Me: Charlie Poole and the Roots of Country Music (Sony)
3. David Allan Coe, Penitentiary Blues (Hacktone)
4. Big Kenny, Live a Little (Hollywood)
5. Everly Brothers, Two Yanks in England (Collectors Choice)

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST MALE VOCALISTS OF 2005:

1. Gary Allan
2. Bobby Bare
3. Blaine Larsen

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST FEMALE VOCALISTS OF 2005:

1. Sara Evans
2. Trisha Yearwood
3. Deana Carter


COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST SONGWRITERS OF 2005:

1. Amy Rigby
2. John Rich
3. Brad Paisley

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST DUOS, TRIOS OR GROUPS OF 2005:

1. Big & Rich
2. Brooks & Dunn
3. The Duhks

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST INSTRUMENTALISTS OF 2005:

1. Kenny Vaughan
2. Brad Paisley
3. Reggie Young

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST NEW ACTS OF 2005:

1. Blaine Larsen
2. Carrie Underwood
3. Miranda Lambert

COUNTRY MUSIC'S THREE BEST OVERALL ACTS OF 2005:

1. Sara Evans
2. Big & Rich
3. Gary Allan

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 16 December 2005 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Looking at the last few years, Chuck, I think you might be right about the industry; just not, at least to my ears, this year. B&R, Gretchen, Keith, Chesney, Brook&Dunn, Evans etc. all felt like relative retreats as albums go. Did the system fail them or did they fail the system? I don't know, probably some combination of the two. My theory might have no basis in reality, but I'll go to my grave saying that it has nothing to do with how much pop-sounding music they contain. On the other hand, a pop diva like Carter made a career record, which she wrote and produced (I'd love to have sat in on those sessions) and orchestrated commerically and artfully within what's pretty much an alty-Americana model without sacrificing her pop strengths. I don't know what that means but it means something.

Roy Kasten, Friday, 16 December 2005 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, and x-posted the above before reading edd's great comments. I'd love to be convinced otherwise re. the Evans. I should probably go back and listen to it, as I've always kinda liked her.

Roy Kasten, Friday, 16 December 2005 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link

in this week's N-ville Scene, Bill Friskics-Warren writes of Evans's "Real Fine": "...so sleek, sophisticated and voluptuous in production and execution--Patty Loveless meets New Order?--that it almost makes you forget about Evans' creepy right-wing politics. Alas, not even 'Bible Song,' a testament to liberation written by Lori McKenna, suggests there's hope where Evans' ideological redemption is concerned."

Which I think is accurate--it's glossy pop on the order of New or of maybe Green Gartside (speaking of someone whose ideological redemption also came with received-notion sex in tow). I don't really care all that much about her ideology or her redemption, 'cause what does this fantastically sexy woman got to worry about? She's content, she's even a bit concealed and mysterious in her sexiness, and she's smart enough to make really great records. It's a fantasy world anyway, I mean "Coalmine" is great but also ridiculous, on her new one, and there you go for "ideology," she's so horny she won't even let her husband get enough sleep to go to work in the coalmine. Well, they both seem to be happy enough, hope that they can keep it up, living in W. Virginia or E. Ky. there by the coalmines. And that's what I love about country music and Nashville, mainstream. It addresses stuff lefties like me or you might find interesting and then just disregards the niceties, because it's just a given that sex, love, a good house or shack by the coal mine, who needs money? These performers are speaking to an audience who wants to forget about things like coal mines and unions and textile mills, they're happy in the suburbs, yet the song Warren mentions, "Bible Song," is all about getting the fuck out there before YOU commit suicide, so I guess there's some reality at work there too? I'm happy to be confused about it and get no answers, and I really like Evans's record. I like to put in into the changer with Deana's and this old Bobbie Cryner record I found (whatever happened to her? she was something special, I think) and savor the contast, between late-'90s understated sexy neotrad and today's overstated sexy non-neotrad, and the return of Jack Nitzsche and Jackie DeShannon in Carter's California-ized pop (California being a dreamscape somewhat different from the coal mine of Evans's song).

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 16 December 2005 18:22 (nineteen years ago) link

>B&R, Gretchen, Keith, Chesney, Brook&Dunn, Evans etc. all felt like relative retreats as albums go.<

I agree, as far as the 3 albums of these that I've actually heard; and I kind of hope you're right about the 3 albums I didn't hear, since it makes me feel less guilty for missing them!

>On the other hand, a pop diva like Carter made a career record, which she wrote and produced (I'd love to have sat in on those sessions) and orchestrated commerically and artfully within what's pretty much an alty-Americana model without sacrificing her pop strengths<

I agree with this too, actually.

xhuxk, Friday, 16 December 2005 19:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I hope some version of your Evans and beyond comments make it to the Scene, Edd, or the Voice or wherever because they are great and have already made me rethink that record. Now I just need to find it and listen to it again.

Roy Kasten, Friday, 16 December 2005 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm voting in this this year and had been debating whether or not to consider Amy Rigby country, but if Edd is doing it, why can't I? I'll probably dock it a few notches, because it's probably my first or second favorite record from this year that I'd consider for this poll, and Top 2 seems a little strong if it's very borderline as country.

My Top 2 right now is probably Bobby Pinson and Miranda Lambert. A little surprised Pinson hasn't showed up more on the ballots on this thread.

I'll post my ballot here when I submit it, which may not be until the last minute -- taking a big bag o country discs on a road-trip this weekend, including lots of stuff mentioned on this thread that I hadn't gotten around to listening to yet.

chris herrington (chris herrington), Friday, 16 December 2005 22:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Roy, CMT did a making-of-the-album doc re Deana; she was also dealing with an unplanned and otherwise problematic pregnancy, while self-producing her album on a deadline. (And, since it ended up on Vanguard, not a huge budget for studio time and other nice things, I suspect---looked pretty econo, anyway.)You might find this around the web, maybe on a DVD (promo, anyway).

don, Saturday, 17 December 2005 00:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, with nine shopping days left until Pazz & Jop, I'm in the midst of what's always equivalent to the Bataan death march an end-of-year delight, which is to reevaluate my favorite records of the year for possible poll ranking, and trying to catch up on the many records I've missed. To report on the latter endeavor:

Madonna - I love the single, hate the rest of it. Lindsay Lohan - I hate the single, love the rest of it. (Isn't this what fundamentalists urge us to do: hate the single but love the singer?) Kelly Clarkson - way better than Christgau says it is, of course, but I can hear how incipient Faithisms and Celinetudes could weigh it down for him (and even for me, to some extent). Tatu - finely flimsied Europop at its finest, which surprises me (not the flimsiness or the Europop, but the fineness, since the single they emerged with several years ago had struck me as finely diced dime-a-dozen Europop and I didn't believe the hype; maybe the difference is no Trevor Horn this time).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 18 December 2005 03:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Let's see, in the previous post I should have deleted the comma after "ranking" and changed "and trying to" to "and try to"; and I should have changed "way better than" to "far better than," so that the sentence wouldn't have been weighed down by a surfeit of "ways" and "weighs."

But to relate these albums to the putative subject matter of this thread:

Madonna wore a cowboy hat on the cover of her previous CD, which has nothing to do with the new album, or with the previous either, as far as I could tell, but here she is and I'm talking about her. The new CD is even duller than the others she's put out in the last fifteen years, which shocks me though probably shouldn't have, but I had hopes for this thing because (1) I love the single, and (2) I'd liked chief collaborator Stuart Price's Les Rythmes Digitales album from 1999 enough to have put it on my Pazz & Jop ballot (after which I totally forgot about him and it until seeing some ILM discussion several weeks ago lauding his subsequent career remixing any and everything under pseudonyms such as Jacques La Cont, Thin White Duke, Zoot Woman, Pour Homme, Paper Faces, Man With Guitar).

So the single samples the riff from Abba's "Gimme Gimme a Man After Midnight," putting it in a beautiful setting and when the riff is absent giving a beautiful texture to the chords. And the rest of the album has equally beautiful textures, and wonderful troughs and swells whenever a song transitions from verse to chorus or chorus to verse or verse to break. What it doesn't have is a single melody worth transitioning too, anywhere, except for that one Abba riff on track one. So you end up with soggy high-class mood music, all the beautiful swells and stuff just weighing everything down - er, wait, I mean, hold on, I can't use "weigh" again, um, dragging everything down? drenching everything up? (Oh, I don't know.) Her voice makes the tracks draggy too, I don't know why; it's the sort that needs a melody, not an atmosphere, I guess. "Hate" is probably an exaggeration - no, it isn't, I really don't like the thing, but I'll admit there are musically worthy moments. The obnoxious "I Love New York" song is as stupid as Joan Morgan says in her Voice review (she loved the album except for this track) but is actually one of the few signs of life, probably because it cops the chord pattern to Iggy's "I Wanna Be Your Dog" (an odd riff for a Detroit chick to use in a tribute to New York, given that the Stooges' home base was Ann Arbor, but maybe she or Price didn't notice the resemblance to "Dog").

Maybe I'm listening wrong and can come to hear it differently.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 18 December 2005 04:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah, Lindsay. Her voice is a loose blat in comparison to Ashlee's tough little battering ram, and so far she hasn't pulled her music together as powerfully as Ashlee has; but the loose blat and the woman's basic Lohanicity make everything feel playful no matter how devastated or introspective she thinks she's being. The band sounds like it's having a rollicking good time. This is probably inaccurate - my copy has no album credits, but I assume that rather than a band there's just some guy doing overdub upon overdub, which is how most of these things are made. Some spirit is in this. (Strange if the tenth spot on my P&J list comes down to who is more fun: Lindsay Lohan or the Hold Steady. Craig Finn of the Hold Steady clobbers her in the category throw-you-to-the-floor funny lyrics ("Tramps like us and we like tramps"!), not too mention basic goofiness of vocal delivery, but she scores high on general pizzazz and ongoing shamelessness. Speaking of which, remember when words like "pizzazz" and "shameless" pertained to Madonna?

But to get bring us back to this thread, the best song on the Lohan, "I Live for the Day," matches "Kerosene" in virulence if not in stompability: "I live for the day, I live for the night, that you will be desperate and dying inside." (Glad to see that Lindsay has found a purpose in life) (though this was one of the songs she didn't co-write [writer's credits are available at allmusic.com].) And there's a meta moment worthy of Big & Rich where at the start of a the title, "A Little More Personal," she and a producer (or someone) are arguing over whether songs should have spoken intros (Lindsay in favor of them because they make the record a little more personal). But I kinda don't think Big & Rich will ever begin a song by singing: "God won't talk to me. I guess she's pretty busy." Or if they do, it won't get on the radio.

(My rationalization for posting this here is that by exploring what noncountry can and can't do, this tells us something about what country can and can't do. My real reason is that this is a more congenial thread than most to post on. And more fun.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 18 December 2005 05:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Close parenthesis after "pertained to Madonna?" And "at the start of a the title" should be, "at the start of the title song."

Kelly Clarkson - She's someone who could conceivably jump to country if she wanted to, since several of her songs (esp. "Breakaway") aren't far from the basic land of pop-country crossover, if she were ever to choose it. I don't think she knows yet which genre she'll settle into. She's playing big on CHR pop and adult contemporary so she'll probably continue offering the loud-bright-rock-and-gentle-ballad combo special. As of now she wants wall of guitars on her wailing choruses, which is something country has yet to allow.

She's got a love-is-the-drug my-love-for-you-is-toxic song (called "Addicted," appropriately enough) that is more flat-out pained and less knowing than you'd get in the country equivalents (or in Sheryl's or Britney's, for that matter): "It's like you're a leech, sucking the life from me/It's like I can't breathe without you inside of me."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 18 December 2005 06:00 (nineteen years ago) link

t.A.T.u. are weaker on verses than choruses, since choruses have guitar fuzz and loud harmony to bolster the girls.

Jamie O'Neal is just the reverse (good verse, disappointing choruses); certainly t.A.T.u. and she could come to a deal: "You provide the verses, we'll do the choruses":

I been starin' all day at the same computer screen
Around here I'm treated like I'm just some damn machine
I punch in
I tune out
Nobody cares what I'm all about
But at 5:00 that ends
They're waiting for me, my girlfriends

Our home forever is outer space
Black stars and endless seas, outer space
New hope, new destinies, outer space
Forever we'll be in outer space, outer space

Also, I truly think that Deana Carter should start incorporating Europop, if she wants to extend her musical color sense. Might as well: what does she have to lose, at this point.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 18 December 2005 06:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Next up: Lil Wayne: Tha Carter Family II.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 18 December 2005 06:48 (nineteen years ago) link

the first time i felt like i was invading, that i was engaging in something inapporite, that seemed too personal, too raw for public consumption in a v v long time, was the artless but heartbreaking video for lohan's too personal.

it was harder to consume than any of the confessional singer songwriter shit that i engaged in, and was liminal b/w public and private personae in a way that seemed genuinely transgressive/taboo breaking.

not in the sense of oh my god this is so shocking (ie the ultra conceptual madonna of like a prayer) but in the sense of leave the poor girl alone, hasnt she suffered enough...

its something i dont have the crtical vocab for--and it doesnt matter if its nto v. good musically (and it isnt)--strangely enough, that overshare personal detail stuff seems to come in two places, girl pop (and i hear it in the shangri las, in the crystals, in other places) and in country--and the only place i felt it this year was in my inital reaction to the awful mindy mccready situtaion. (ie:finally we have tammy back)

does that
a) make me a bad person
b) make sense

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 18 December 2005 08:28 (nineteen years ago) link

>Lil Wayne: Tha Carter Family II.<

A blues record. Or a soul record, maybe. Sad and beautiful and uplifting, top to bottom. but "I'm a D-Boy" makes me dance around my kitchen and "Best Rapper Alive" performs the impossible trick of making me like Iron Maiden. And those probably aren't even the best tracks -- "Shooter," maybe? "Grown Man"? "Get Over"? "Fly Out"? Also, the best album yet about Katrina. And at least Lil Wayne's fifth good album, which may well make him the hip-hop artist of the decade. How the heck did that happen, when nobody was looking?

Definitely in my P&J top ten. All I have to figure out now is what to bump out for it.

xhuxk, Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link

ure it makes sense, Anthony. xpost re Deana going or including Europop: way before her first American album, she moved to Europe and did something like that. Anyway, it was def. European, but also (from what I seemingly remember having read) broody, kinda Marianne Faithful-ish, according to whatever feature this was. More like, say, The Blue Millioniare than Broken English. So maybe kinda like Grace Jones, too, cos didn't Grace cover "The Blue Millionaire"; anyway, from when those two were fairly similar for a while, so that kind of Europop. And maybe it was like what I called International Country on last year's RC Thread and maybe on this one too (long year, long thread):in this case meaning a bit of ABBA, like the one that did make Deana's American debut, bout how we couldn't understand what singer say, but we dance anyway, okay? But that's just wishin' and hopin' cos I've never heard Deana's Eurovision, though would like to (prob on eBay, min bid 25 cents right now)

don, Monday, 19 December 2005 01:16 (nineteen years ago) link

(actually, *tha carter family II* -- i swear i didn't even notice the joke when i made my last post -- doesn't really turn sad and bluesy til the end; beginning's a lot more triumphant, and funny. but still catchy catchy catchy catchy. and generally really warm-hearted, near as i can tell, even despite the make-money-fuck-bitches stuff. i think "fireman," the single, might even swipe a hook from l'trimm!)

xhuxk, Monday, 19 December 2005 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link

(also, despite that l'trimm hook or whatever, i guess the argument could be made that lil wayne leaving mannie fresh electrobeats behind and opting for more soul samples instead is a retreat of sorts, and hence the new album bounces less and comes off more turgid. i'm not feeling it that way, though. *tha carter* just missed making my top 10 in 2004 -- so did montgomery gentry, as i recall; they would've been #11 and #12 on my list, though i forget which was which -- and i think *II* is actually easier to get through. how many hip-hop albums can be played beginning to end these days? it's unhead of.) (also, the katrina stuff apparently doesn't become explicit til the end -- maybe only once, actually -- but by the end, you can still feel katrina's *presence* somehow, in the mood, or the sound, somehow, like in how lil wayne calls himself "an old soul and a young man.")

(ha ha, this is the country thread. well, he's from the south!)

xhuxk, Monday, 19 December 2005 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link

(and there are SOME electrobeats, in "hit em up" for instance. and "mo fire" is reggae, though the title might make that obvious.)

xhuxk, Monday, 19 December 2005 14:55 (nineteen years ago) link

("i'm from n'awlins/the creole cockpit.")
("hey toilet/i'm the shit") (or something like that).
"Receipt" is great too -- I'm guessing it's about Trina (that's Wayne's girlfriend, right?) It's sort of a pro-monogamy album, too!

Anyway, easing back to the thread topic. Did anybody hear of some Kid Rock wannabe white hick-hopper called DF Dub who put out an album called *Country Girl* on 3Sixty/Columbia in 2002? I didn't, but I came across the CD for $2 last week, and it's OK; the "country girl" (in the alleged "smash hit," according to the cover sticker -- that's bullshit, right? or was it a regional hit somewhere?) likes kenny chesney, dj dub jokes in another song that he wants to be a dixie chick (though in another he's sick of the taliban in afghanistan, among other things, including boy bands even though he kinda raps like he could be in LFO and he does a duet with samantha cole, wasn't she some fleeting teen pop star or something?), and he does a rap version of hank jr's "family tradition" speaking hank's unspoken "to get drunk!" and "to get stoned!" parts (most famous lines ever LEFT OUT of a song, for the audience to sing, or would that be the ones not in "mony mony" by billy idol?). And there's acoustic country-ish twang stuck into a bunch of the songs, and he also mentions an "old gent's club" in one song and i think "the elk's club" in another (did anybody ever mention the elk's club in ANY song before? my stepdad for a year when i was 16 or so was a member, out in the oakland county boondocks; creepy place, hadn't thought about it for decades). anyway, DF Dub's inept but fun. Says in one song he's from Michigan (has fleeting Eminem wannabe moments too; I suppose Bubba Sparxxx might be a reference point too, I dunno), but seems to mainly thank Dallas sports teams in the liner notes (not to mention "Michelle the Lesbian" and "Big Gay Steven.") Anybody ever hear of the guy before?

xhuxk, Monday, 19 December 2005 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link

In other news, Lee Roy Parnell's upcoming album is a better Van Morrison country album than the upcoming Van Morrison country album. But, um..who the hell is Lee Roy Parnell? And cowboy-hatted apparent Detroit-to-NY transplant Eliza Neals's self-released *Liquorfoot* is good country-soul (more soul than country) too, and the (quite respectable) "Smiling Faces Sometimes" and "Hotel California" covers aren't even close to the best cuts, though the song that steals its chorus from En Vogue might me. The cut that really jumps out of the album, oddly enough, the one that kicks most, is the one where Eliza dumps her two-timing guy, who she says might be bisexual, transexual, or gay (I think that's a direct quote, but I don't have the CD in front of me, so I won't use quote marks) and she doesn't want to catch a disease. So by that point, of course, you kinda want to hate the song, and her. But who knows, maybe something like that actually happened to her. Maybe she's being homophobic, but maybe she's also just saying the meanest thing she can think of, or just being honest.

xhuxk, Monday, 19 December 2005 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

(Or maybe all three, duh.)

xhuxk, Monday, 19 December 2005 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha, Katie, I just checked your Website, where you link your review of Lamb that says, "it's feasible to be sexy without being intimate." Would that apply to Chesney?

i think so, but they keep his image so soft, the pics, the angle, all that, i've never gotten the impression he and his handlers were able to pull of the dead-sexy thing. more like, i'll quietly get you drunk on tequila and we'll dance like depp and knightly did in pirates of the caribbean.

katie, a princess (katie, a princess), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link

(and the maybe-you're-transexual part is especially hard to grasp, obviously -- if indeed that's what she says, which i think it is.)xp

xhuxk, Monday, 19 December 2005 16:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, I'm halfway through the Lil Wayne, and what nobody's talked about so far is that it was recorded in Transylvania (alternate title: Alvin Meets Dracula). All the gospel-soul singers in the background are wearing black robes and white, pancake makeup. (One exception: a Seventies sunny-Sunday funk track.)

(I'm referring to the doomy, eerie suspense-film accompaniment, which I suppose is standard-issue for Southern hip-hop these days but usually with fewer streaks of fog, less Murnau mood, and fewer graveyard chorales.)

What's been the goth input into country? Nonexistent? (Well, there was that terrible Goth alt-country act that George or someone has already mentioned either on this thread or elsewhere, I'm too busy to look. Anything else?)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

(As for P&J woes, I listened to Living Things and Dungen the other night and decided they both belong in my Top Ten; Living Things might barely bull their way in, but I don't see how Dungen even moves up from the 16th slot they're currently in. In fact, will probably fall further as I listen to more contenders.)

Don, I had no idea that Deana Carter had recorded in Europe prior to Nashville. Did you actually hear the thing, or just hear of it? Allmusic, Amazon, and CMT seem not to know about it.

This leads to another question: Has country ever thrown itself into scrumptious, tuneful sugarpop? I mean really thrown itself, à la "My Boy Lollipop" and "Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep," not merely done stuff with pretty touches. Some tuneful-oonfulness has emerged from country - I'm thinking of the Everly Brothers, and maybe the Hollies if you're willing to trace them back through (Buddy) Holly into country. The thing about Europop is that it's bubblegum that's not just for kids; ditto with hi-NRG disco, a lot of which is basically Europop; also '70s glam like Slade and Sweet and '80s glammy hair metal, both of which had huge kid attendance but weren't defined as kids-only; also some New Wave, for that matter. So, what about country? Shania was quasi-hair-glam, but did she ever really pour the sugar on herself? (That's a genuine question; I've heard only bits and pieces of her oeuvre.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 19 December 2005 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link

(I'm also hearing a potential - in Kelly Clarkson as she "grows" into adult contemporary, Marion Raven as she "grows" into Alanis and Joni, Ashlee and Lindsay and Hilary as they "grow" into whatever they grow into - to incoporate the sweet stuff rather than leaving it behind. Something new could be emerging here. Alanis had had to switch gears when she went from disco dolly to tough singer-songwriter chick; maybe with the help of songwriters-producers DioGuardi, Shanks, Martin, Gottschalk, et al., something new is developing.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 19 December 2005 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Anthony, I understand what you're saying about Lindsay, but one thing to realize is that she's very much the one who's exploiting her own misfortune, heaving it at us and collecting moolah in return. It isn't a matter of "leave the poor girl alone, hasnt she suffered enough..." She herself co-wrote the song, and she directed the video herself! And this fits with the basic blat of her vocals, the young woman spraying herself forth.

Another interesting topic might be the way that country utilizes the child-abuse trope. Child abuse has been the subject of songs (T. Graham Brown "Which Way to Pray": "A little girl down on her knees/Saying 'Now I lay me down to sleep/Lord bless us with a happy home/And please make daddy leave me alone'"). Hank Snow had been an abused child, and he spoke out about child abuse, but as far as I know (which isn't very) he didn't make it an integral part of his image. Whereas in modern teenpop - Pink, Ashlee, Lindsay - their childhood sufferings (don't know if there was abuse or just the usual divorce and/or abandonment) singing about their suffering is an integrity move, something that's supposed to give songs and singers depth. (Which doesn't mean that it isn't gutsy, especially Pink's Missundaztood!. Ashlee's "Shadow" is a powerful song, but there are things in it that feel wrong to me.)

(This year on P&J's abandoned child front, M.I.A.'s said that she entitled her album "Arular" (which is her dad's political alias, just as "Lenin" was Vladimer Ilyich Ulyanov's poltical alias) in the hope that he'd see it and get in touch with her. That was one reason, anyway.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 19 December 2005 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link

And on with the P&J trawl: Now I'm up to Hilary Duff. Never in the course of human events have so many melodies been lavished on such a tiny voice. Not that that makes her a bad singer, necessarily (see Shooter Jennings and t.A.T.u.). In fact, she's a subject for further evaluation. "Fly" towers over the rest of her songs... er, it soars over the rest of her material. (Not surprising, given that it's by DioGuardi and Shanks.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 19 December 2005 19:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Er, "Gottschalk" should be "Gottwald" several posts back. Lukasz Gottwald, co-wrote and co-produced Kelly Clarkson's "Since U Been Gone."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 19 December 2005 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost reFrank's growinginto sugar:Maybe the best recent tracks from Shakira's O.F. Vols. 1 and or 2 do this? haven't heard that many, but she seems to be keeping her Alanis yodellin' goat rolling vowels in 2005(country enough references for this thread), and Cured with sugar and salt.Dunno about goth, but, as for Southern Gothic input, see upthread re Freakwater (and more on them in "Louisville Lip")(and, for lighter reading, my just-posted Hot Currington Pie piece, "Howdy, Ma'am")(both now playing at http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com/)And of course, Southern Gothic is quat trad, for instance, what Rodney Crowell and others call Appalachian "bad tooth" or "dead baby" ballads (and also the topical/tabloid type which xpost xxuxx mentions described in that book he's reading, and which Disaster Master Harry Smith posts headlines about, in the booklet with his Smithsonian Anthology). Down to the morbidity which gets to be schticky with the xpost Trick Pony cover and especially video of "Nothing But A Heartache" and other shit I ranted about upthread. Th' (sic) Legendary Shack Shakers make pretty good gothabilly cartoons. The Euro Deana I just read about; think it was in No Dep? My impression, though I can't remember an actual line of the description, was of something maybe between the aforemantioned Marianne album, and, say, Annie Lennox. Should be out there some where, and not too expensive, Ah suspect. Man, Lee Roy Parnell has been around a long time! Like Delbert McClinton, in that he was kind of country-identified, but fit better in Austin, NOLA, Memphis, anywhere but Nashville, except maybe the club scene there. But of course with Monkey G. etc, maybe his time has sort of come, but like Delbert, I doubt that he's gonna really try to push his way into the forefront, and they're both a little old for the majors to want to hype, and both a little old to give that much of a shit about what's left of the majors anyway.They do alright on their own. (Delbert's Blues Cruise is said to be pretty successful, for inst.)Never heard of Kid Rock's protege, but I'll check the Sal Army Store, and xxhuxx on that CMT Crossroads tape I sent you member Hank Jr. does call out "Get Stoned!" and explains he does that for "Inspiration!" and also "Cheerleaders!" in answer to Kid Rock's queries about the whuts and whys of Junior's "Family Tradition."

don, Monday, 19 December 2005 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link

>halfway through the Lil Wayne, and what nobody's talked about so far is that it was recorded in Transylvania (alternate title: Alvin Meets Dracula). All the gospel-soul singers in the background are wearing black robes and white, pancake makeup.<

Hmm...Well, I definitely noticed the moaning monastery catacombs druids in the background of "Best Rapper Alive" (which I keep wanting to call "the Iron Maiden cover," even though I don't know if I've ever heard the Iron Maiden song it samples.) Didn't notice many druids in the other songs, though, but I'll listen for them next time.

Goth influence on country: Maybe Patricia Vonne, Pam Tillis, Bering Strait, Little Big Town, Nickel Creek? Not sure how explicit it is with any of them, though. And I guess it depends whether R.E.M. or Depeche Mode or rennaisance faire folk music count as goth (not that any of those country acts explicitly flaunt those influences either).

Prog influence of country: CW McCall, apparently, judging from the totally fascinating Jody Rosen feature on Manheim Steamroller in yesterday's Times Sunday magazine, which taught me, among other things, that CW McCall was apparently more two people than one person; or rather, a character invented by two people for use on radio ads in Colorado, which ads eventually evolved into "Convoy."

Listening to Linsay Lohan now. Kinda thinking that way too much of it sounds like the single! The Cheap Trick cover is okay. I like the new wave synthesizers in "A Little More Personal." Beyond that, I dunno. I definitely I think I prefer Linsay more when she's LESS personal. (Oh wait, "If You Were Me" is on now. What a bouncy little bassline:) But she may have no more business doing ballads than Gretchen Wilson.

I really liked a disco song Hilary Duff did last year that Metal Mike sent me the video of, but I forget its name. Thought both of her actual albums were okay, but not okay enough to keep them. Never heard the greatest hits CD. May still have a soundtrack that's half songs by her and half songs by other people in the storage garage.

xhuxk, Monday, 19 December 2005 19:46 (nineteen years ago) link

There could also be a goth influence on country via Stevie Nicks (he says as Lindsy Lohan's seemingly quite good "Edge of 17" cover plays) or via Metallica (as in, say, harmonies on the first Big&Rich album). (What as Kim Carnes's and Bonnie Tyler's connection to goth, anyway?)

xhuxk, Monday, 19 December 2005 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

but which teenager doesnt over share, the adults around her should say something about it no?

we keep forgetting with the tits, and the voice, that lohan is still basically a child.

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 19 December 2005 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

"Who Loves You" on Linsay's album bounces too! I just may need to take more time with all those big bloated confessional slow ones.

(I really know nothing about her life, so I'm staying out of that discussion. She was really entertaining in *Mean Girls,* however.)

(By the way, speaking of lives, Frank, you know Ashlee supposedly collapsed after a show in Asia late last week, right? Last I heard, on Saturday I think, she was still being hospitalized. Hope she's OK.)

xhuxk, Monday, 19 December 2005 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Kim Carnes' connection to goth? Well, sounded like something was really wrong with her throat, and also very sincere: heart in throat (hers? Or SOMEBODY OR SOMETHING ELSE'S? That is thee question). Also, her "Bette Davis Eyes" (B.D.'s eyes were like eggs, or stones, either way, stolen from a nest, in a high bare tree.) And, crucially (crufixedly), it inspired "Marty Feldman's Eyes"(by I.Forget), and yknow Marty, in Young Frankenstein yow. Bonnie Tyler also had heart in throat, but Pony Trick's cover(and dickfingered War Is Hell video) makes me think of inept teen goths in that Sat Night Live sketch, especially the one who works in the mall, "at SIN-ibons."See upthread for description. Good morbid/mordant is to be found on, for instance, MG's "Doom Your Thing," and McMurtry's Foolish Things, although on title track, and on "Ole Slew-Foot," the music doesn't carry and/or push the words & atmosphere enough, but overall it works. Rec to those missing their fixes of DBTruckers (new album now sched for April),of Lou Reed,of Randy Newman (if those missing the latter don't mind guitars instead of piano.) Frank, on further memory-squint, seems Euro Deana was *unreleased*; sorry for your trolling in vein. But it's prob out there(in whole or in part) somewhere on the wuhwuhwuh, like most things.

don, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 02:50 (nineteen years ago) link

So I just got a Christmas card in the mail from the Country Music Association. There's a snowman on the front, and my first thought when I saw it was that maybe it came from Young Jeezy. (True story.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link

re the book xxhuxx was telling us about (Spreading Rhythm Around: Black Popular Songwriters 1880-1930 by David A. Jasen & Gene Jones), and xxhux said he was up to Bert Williams and starting to get a little bored---just read a really sharp piece,"Behind The Mask" by Claudia Roth Pierpont, in Dec. 12 New Yorker, about Williams and (mainly) Stepin Fetchit. Had no idea he lived and performed through mid-'70s, though his act did change.One of those performers, like Elvis, Dylan, Eminem, you can say all kinds of shit about, incl contradictory, and it all seems true, or plausible, from various angles, in various degrees.

don, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:14 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah the fetchit piece in the nyer last week was interesting

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Lindsay is old enough to join the Marines! Old enough to fight, old enough to direct your own video, I say. (I really don't know enough about the biz to know how such decisions are made.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 00:42 (nineteen years ago) link

This just in: Brooks & Dunn to open for the Stones!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051220/ap_en_mu/brooks_dunn_stones

Roy Kasten, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Xpost

(Actually, "Black Hole" on the Lohan sounds worse than the "Confessions" song, but to mention this earlier would have conflicted with my hyperbole above. Everything else on the alb is listenable, including "Confessions," though usually I'll program out "Confessions," "My Innocence," "A Little More Personal," and "A Beautiful Life," the last of which - the Goddess one - is probably also worse than "Confessions." So, the ones I like a lot are, more or less in order of preference, "I Live for the Day," "Edge of Seventeen" (even though Lindsay does some of the lamest ooo ooo ooos in history), "Who Loves You," "If It's Alright" (a power ballad), "I Want You to Want Me," and "Fastlane.")

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 01:04 (nineteen years ago) link

"Hey You" on the latest Shakira is a kind of two-step, though sounds Dixieland more than old-timey, then morphs into '50s-show-tune style, while still feeling somewhat two-steppish.

(My favorites on the album are the bouncy beautiful goofy kiddie song and the one that laments mass murder, which happen to be the same song!)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 01:12 (nineteen years ago) link

(Ashlee's back in the U.S. with her family. Official reason for the collapse is exhaustion.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 01:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Much to its detriment, the second half of the Lil Wayne has much less horror hoodoo than the first.

So, this is how the newbies are faring in the race for my Pazz & Jop albs/EPs ballot:

Certain: t.A.T.u.
Probable: Lady Sovereign
Possible: Lil Wayne, Lohan
Nice, but no cigar: Kelly Clarkson, Shakira, Rolling Stones, Hilary
No way in hell: Madonna
(but I have miles to go before I sleep)

Singles are unchanged, "Gasolina" still hanging on to 10th place by its fingernails.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 01:29 (nineteen years ago) link

The Jon Nicholson
album gets better each time
I hear the damn thing.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 15:14 (nineteen years ago) link

>I really liked a disco song Hilary Duff did last year that Metal Mike sent me the video of, but I forget its name. >

'Twas "Wake Up."

Wow, I shelved that taTu album after one or two plays. Maybe I should pull it back out...

xhuxk, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Yikes, "(Cosmos) Outer Space" on taTu's album is total Boney M astronomy disco! "Friend Or Foe" is great, too; this is a beautiful album! Why didn't I notice that before? Still think Lil Wayne has a better shot at my Pazz and Jop ballot, but I may become conflicted...

xhuxk, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

...(Incidentlly, I decided that the Lady Sovereign EP noticeably becomes less catchy after the first two singles, one of which I plan to vote for single-wise. Still way way better than, I dunno, Sufjan Stevens or Isolee or Vitalic or Deerhoof or Fiona Apple or whatever, but it won't be getting my vote. Living Things tails off a bit after the midway point, too, I've decided. Rod Lee might deserve a vote, but probably won't get one since I plan to vote for two singles off his thing; Hope Partlow may well deserve one, but she'll get a single vote too, so probably not....

xhuxk, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 18:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Bang Sugar Bang moving up on my list; Hard Skin staying steady. Dungen I don't quite get; it's as good as dozens of other psych-revival records out there, but not sure how it's any better than them. But honestly, there are easily 20 albums I'd feel comfortable voting for. People who say 2005 was a bad year for music are insane. People who say 2005 was a bad year because, um, "grime didn't matter anymore" live on a completely different planet than me.)

(Sorry, had to split up that post since I'm an UNREGISTERED POSTER, wtf??)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 18:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I've got way too much
drama for one top ten list,
might vote for STEVIE

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link

(And Hold Steady holding steady too, actually, duh)

taTu starts to get kinda watery after the first few cuts, seems to me.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, "Perfect Enemy" on the second half of the taTu CD is pretty great, and "Obezyanka Nol" is pretty weird in a obezyanka kind of way. Probably as good an album as, um, Opus (of "Life is Life" fame) ever made! Maybe better! But I still seriously doubt I'll top 10 it.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 20:40 (nineteen years ago) link

(I guess as great as it all sounds, it hits me as kind of generic -- generic to one of the best genres ever, true, but too interchangeable with too many other things on my shelf for me to really care-care-care about. Though what's cool is that what it's interchangeable with is mostly on my VINYL shelves -- This kinda Europop barely exists anymore, I don't think. And I think Hard Skin's anachronistic oi! and Bang Sugar Bang's anachronistic Pearl Harbor and the Explosions-style new wave are more distinctive than taTu's anachronistic Europop. Not sure if O-Zone's Europop is more distinctive than taTu's Europop, but it's GOOFIER, and "Dragostea Din Tei" will make my single ballot on the basis if nothing else of making its presence felt in the U.S. like no Europop song since, um, "All The Things She Said" by taTu maybe, thanks to that fat guy doing his numa numa Internet dance which everybody forgot already.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 20:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Twist & Shout files
Jon Nicholson in the hip-
hop section. I'm pleased.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Not that I've listened
to more than five songs on the
Nicholson album.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:11 (nineteen years ago) link

oh but it's so good,
good songs and he sings them well,
nothing else to say

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Chuck, as you know, in the age of CD players with memory-program buttons, I treat all albums except the first Big & Rich as 4–6-song EPs, and do the same for EPs that are padded up to 8 songs by the inclusion of shitty remixes of three of the four good songs.

(Without my EP rule, Miranda and Deana wouldn't have a shot. They both still do; up to a week ago I'd have said that Deana was a lock, but there's enough new competition to drop her all the way down to "possible.")

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Damn! Will have to hear
Nicholson. Dismissed him as
boring white-guy soul.

I don't like white guys
doing soul but do like white
guy's ripping off soul.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Chuck, I'm actually glad that you're not voting for t.A.T.u., since every year people give me shit having a ballot that's a near copy of yours.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, and it is totally generic (the t.A.T.u., not the ballot).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Reckless Kelly's "Stick Around" sounds somewhat Stipish, though the melody is not nearly as good as "The One I Love" or "Losing My Religion," so the song won't make my Scene ballot.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Results 1 - 10 of about 117 for +"Lady Sovereign" +"country and western". (0.21 seconds)

Results 1 - 10 of about 159 for +"Lady Sovereign" +"country & western". (0.41 seconds)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Results 1 - 4 of about 5 for +"Russian lesbians" +"country and western". (0.39 seconds)

Results 1 - 3 of 3 for +"Russian lesbians" +"country & western". (0.25 seconds)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link

As the E-B-O-N-Y
from the S-T-L
Oh you prob'ly know me
As the E-B-O-N-Y
from the S-T-L...

—Ebony Eyez "Stand Up"

Which raises the question: are there many c&w songs where the singer or narrator spells out her name?

"I'm Not Lisa" is the only one that comes to mind.

Also, any country singers who extol their women as being "a bad bitch, a face like Trina, an ass like Jacki-O" ("Tear It Up" on the Young Jeezy album)?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 22 December 2005 17:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Shout out to the home girl. I think we'll all be hearing more about/from Ebony Eyez in the new year. 7 Day Cycle is wildly uneven, but the ode to vibrators ("say hello to my little friend!") is some kind of genius.

I can't think of any country songs that spell out names of the singers. Do guitars with names spelled on the neck in mother of pearl count? Probably not. Mary Chapin Carpenter has a song in which a guy in a diner uses tip change to spell out the name of a waitress. I've always wanted to do that, but never have that many nickels.

Roy Kasten, Thursday, 22 December 2005 17:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Roy, are you in/from St. Louis? Do you know teeny (who seems to be a superb A-plus human being)?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 22 December 2005 17:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm liking the Young Jeezy more for the beauty than for the beats. Not that there's anything wrong with the beats, but the music is arranged so as to make them inessential: the background is either Seventies Rocky-style horn fanfares played in slow-motion so as to hang in mid air or it's dark floating "orchetral" mood music (though only goes Transylvanian on one track). Jeezy's raps work off of this accompaniment rather than off of the percussion. So his raps are slow expository poetry (which is why they call him "Slowman"); his voice has a sway in it, and if you were to dance to this you'd probably go into a slow sway yourself or into subtle shoulder and knee action. You wouldn't use Jeezy's music to get the party moving. Or I wouldn't use it to get the party moving - but I don't go to many dance clubs or parties these days, and I've never seen anyone dance to Weezy, and I might be all wrong.

Best cut: "Trapstar."

Country-related comment: My guess is that Southern hip-hop uses even more strings (and "strings," i.e., keyboard orchestral equivalents) than country does, though critics rarely give any notice to hip-hop orchestrations. I've read several reviews of Weezy, and they mention "Aaaayy" and coke but not his slow voice, the atmospherics, or the suspended fanfares.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 22 December 2005 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link

anybody who might not have listened to their promo of Beth Neilsen Chapman's Look cos it looks too womany, and/or it's on womany, Windhamy Compass, and/or "there must be a reason she's known mainly as a songwriter", *but* who also likes Deana, should listen to Look too. Her phrasing, as a singer, and as a songwriter (with dif co-'s on various tracks,but with a distinct style on most) is very applealing. Not as much on the overt horndawg tip as Deana, but certainly sensuous. True, Michael McDonald is on a couple tracks, but really almost more backup than duet partner, and no prob. (And I say that as a def non-McD fan). I should say that I *am* a fan of Beth's Mom, who used to come in the store quite a bit, but have never bothered to listen much 'til now.

don, Thursday, 22 December 2005 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah looks like I'm gonna have to register too. Also, Jon N's fine, as I said in my fine Voice review. (But couple tracks finer to those who find Chris Robinson finer than I do)Lurking Big & R collectors note they're on his fine "Grandma"(and Shaver's fine "Live Forever").

don, Thursday, 22 December 2005 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

By the way, am I the only person who thought that '05 Elizabeth Cook album (which K Sanneh plugged in this morning's otherwise rightfully transit-strike-dominated Times as this year's great lost country album) had no memorable tunes to speak of, despite her purty voice? She strikes me as somebody who'd be a *lot* better if she was poppier.

xhuxk, Thursday, 22 December 2005 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link

never heard of her
I don't read the new york times
(damn, just like JOHN RICH)

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 22 December 2005 21:11 (nineteen years ago) link

What I wrote way up above so's you don't gotta search for it:

>Jon Nicholson, *A Lil Sump'm Sump'm* (Warner Bros): Muzik Mafioso white (or beige?) soul. Makes me worried about a John Hiatt onslaught on CMT, but I think I like it okay regardless. High points so far: the one where his grandma gets high for the first time in her life, and the one where he "used to listen to Al Green and the Faces/Cheap Trick and the Replacements." Better than anything I've heard by Westerberg in the last 2 decades, probably; beyond that, I dunno yet.<

xhuxk, Thursday, 22 December 2005 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

And later (DAMN YOU UNREGISTERED USER DAEMON):

>decided i like the jon nicholson album all the way through, but i only really like a couple tracks (mainly, the ones mentioned above) a LOT. he has more rob thomas or adam duritz (that's the counting crows dude right?)-doing-van morrison shtick in him than john hiatt, turns out. (will counting crows become a big influence on country? that pat green album last year had {and maybe even started with? i forget) with a counting crows as van imitation too {a good one. seems mainly used in songs about california, so far.})<

xhuxk, Thursday, 22 December 2005 21:29 (nineteen years ago) link

and:

>also there is one track on the nicholson, #6 I think, where nicholson's lousiana traveling show phrasing reminds me of whoever sang "southern nights" in the '70s. (would that be alan toussaint? or did he just write it? i am right now thinking that glen campbell had the hit with it, but i don't think nicholson sings like campbell, unless campbell sang that song differently than most of his other hits. assuming he sang it at all; i can't check right now. maybe i'm totally mixed up. but anyway, i like nicholson's imitation in that song of whoever he is imitating.) there is also a song about a prostitite who charges more for taking you around the world than for goiing down. and there are riffs taken, pretty blatantly, from "smells like teen spirit" and beck's "where it's at." but the, uh, grateful dead-ish (i guess) closer where the grandma gets stoned is still pretty clearly the best song on the album, I think.

xhuxk, Thursday, 22 December 2005 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Chuck: Cook goes over like the rapture at the Opry where I guess she performs fairly regularly. She's kinda like Dolly minus genius. I don't remember that album very well so maybe you're right about it not being memorable! The few times I've heard her sing I get the feeling she has no clue as to what she's singing. Chances of her getting poppy are zilch, though I guess she's married or sig-othering Tim Carroll, who is a good alt.Nashville guitar player and has the ability to rock when in the mood.

Frank: I'm in St. Louis, 17 years now, though originally from the mean streets of Elmhurst Illinois. Who is Teeny? Underground hip-hopper I should know about?

Don: I tried to listen to the BNC album but couldn't endure it -- and I have more tolerance for non-denominational/spiritual/singersongwritering than most. I like love but maybe I just don't love love. I do, however, have a crappy cassette dub of the audio from a CMT (I think) guitar pull featuring Waylon, Bare Sr., Lyle, Kimmie Rhodes, maybe Guy Clark, and Beth. She did a song called "Seven Shades of Blue" which is one of the most gorgeous elegies I've ever heard.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 22 December 2005 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, that was Glen who had the big hit with "Southern Nights." If anybody is ever in St. Louis on the last Friday of the month, make a plan to go to Frederick's Music Lounge, where the Bottle Rockets play a monthly gig as Diesel Island, an all '70s-mid '80s country cover band. Henneman burns on guitar and they knock "Southern Nights" through the cinder blocks.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 22 December 2005 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I had "southern nights"
on a 45, bought at
7-Eleven

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 22 December 2005 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, wait, Diesel Island gigs are the penultimate Fridays of the month, cause they are playing tomorrow! See you all there! :)

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 22 December 2005 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow, that sounds cool! What do they cover from the '80s? Any Terri Gibbs or KT Oslin songs? "Nobody" by Sylvia? (I'm guessing more likely "Swingin'" or "Highway 40 Blues" or "Amarillo By Morning" or "She Got the Goldmine [I Got the Shaft]," though those are okay too of course.) Anyway, '80s country nostalgia is long overdue! (And that last Bottle Rockets album was no Cactus Brothers, but not bad!)xp

I need to pull that Nicholson album back out, maybe; anyway, does my "Southern Nights" comparison ring true? Or does he sound more like Leon Redbone or somebody else in that song, whichever one it was?

xhuxk, Thursday, 22 December 2005 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't know from that
but the song is billy joel
all the way, hooray

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 22 December 2005 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha! You nailed it with "Amarillo By Morning" and "Swingin," both of which they do! No KT or Terri covers that I recall, but I will heckle with "Somebody's Knockin" tomorrow night. "Drivin' My Life Away" and "Elvira" are also frequent, but "Louisiana Saturday Night" and "Delta Dawn" are my favorites, although those are '70s but kind of anticipate the '80s in my mind.

And as long as I'm blabbing about Brian Henneman and St. Louis (I blame Frank), he does an annual solo Christmas night show in town that's always a good time. Sometimes the Brox, who have just finished recording a new record in Memphis (maybe Bloodshot is going to release it?), join in at the end of the night.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 22 December 2005 22:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Allen Toussaint sang at least part of "S.N." through a vocoder (bad). Maybe Jon's influenced by the way Campbell adapted his usual phrasing to match the phrasing of A.T.'s writing: rolling with the chorus, especially, rather than going with higher louder helder notes, esp. on his usual choruses, like on Webb songs and "Rhinestone Cowboy."

don, Friday, 23 December 2005 00:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, of course, he might well have been influenced by A.T.'s own phrasing, as songwriter and pianist, and inspired by A.T.'s demonstrating just what a Piano Man could do, beyond Billy Joel and Elton John: in the 70s Guide, xgau opined A.T.'s songs and piano could provide at least an LP-side of listenable tracks for just about any otherwise hopeless performer. This seemed plausible.

don, Friday, 23 December 2005 01:04 (nineteen years ago) link

ii wrote this today about page france, and there song chariot...
Thinking about freakytigger's recent discovery of Sufjan, and how he did not really understand the Jesus stuff, he is English. 80 per cent of Americans are Xian’s, and most suburban indie saddos are as well--Sufjan and the others are an attempt to find the genuine message of Christ, an earnest exploring of tender religious devotion... (And its two days before Christmas, the occasional reminder of why some of us find the holiday important is all right, amongst the Santas and hippos, I figure)

It is hard to explain to Europe, North America's obsession with Jesus. It is even harder to explain the popularity of young and smart creative types wrestling with a neo-orthodox Jacob, parental rebellion and dissatisfaction with the culture only go so far.

I cannot explain it, because I feel so much--and others who have tried, have been bogged down with variations of pop anthropology (the excellent Anne Powers on the alternative worship services at Mars Hill.) But to understand it, is to listen to it--and while I am sure that he has heard the Danielson Familee, and Sufjan, and he has gone into the freak folk missions in the 60s, through Gareth Lee, and I will not inflict praise and worship here, I want him to listen to this.

Page France, I know nothing about, and it is much better then the other update of Chariot symbolism this year (Gretchen Wilson). This song, about the rapture, and about the end of the world, is so tender, hopeful, optimistic, and free of fire and brimstone. It is about what people feel in the heart of hearts, to use a cliché.

In Matthew Christ tells us to go into the closet, and close the door to pray--there is something so hard about this...it is easy to mock lo-fi emo boys with their 4 tracks, singing love songs to girls who will never really love them, imagine finding a girl who will love you forever, all of that trepidation about adolescent desire remains, but their is a surety there too

and i wanted to expand the bit on gretchen wilson.

i know the authentic vs inauthentic debate is long dead, and artifice has won, but i keep hearing the two songs together, b/c of the way that i tunes works, and i do not believe wilson, i think its too am packed, too perfect, too clean, and tries too hard on its weirdness, its genre jumping.

i keep thinking of it against being religous, as having the plasticy (forgive me for using that word) hipness of nugod types--another version of that praise and worship is really rock and roll shit--and then i keep thinking about it, the jesus music i really liked this year, was all folky, simple, hymn singing, and people with guitars--and that might be where i am at, but it made me think...

where are the shiny post modern jesus masterpeices, either in country or something else==kayne doing jesus walks is the closest i could fnid

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 23 December 2005 10:48 (nineteen years ago) link

ER...Big and Rich, maybe?? (For whatever it's worth, I thought Sufjan's album had some very pretty background music, and some intriguing words I mostly couldn't follow here and there on the lyric sheet -- most compelling ones were about Frederick Douglas and Abraham Lincoln, I think; I trust that there was Jesus stuff on there, if people insist, but it's not like it ever made its presence felt...

xhuxk, Friday, 23 December 2005 14:11 (nineteen years ago) link

When it was in my CD changer, and a little songlet would come up now and then between two more energetic songs by other people, I thought I might even like the record; those little Philip Glassy swirls in the arrangements and stuff, anyway. A surprise, after his previous album about Michigan completely pissed me off for not having anything about Michigan on it, as far as I can tell, beyond the song titles and postcard CD cover, which I found totally enderaring. But when I tried to play *Illinois* start to end, I never got through it; it was completely unbearable. Dude plain does not have a singing voice. At all. He's a duller singer than Stephin Merritt, even. I may not be oppposed to him hiring a singer to sing his words, though.)

xhuxk, Friday, 23 December 2005 14:14 (nineteen years ago) link

but stephin merritt is a fantastically emotive singer, and not dull at all...

big and rich suffers the gretchen wilson line

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 23 December 2005 14:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I have no idea what "suffers the Gretchen Wilson line" means, Anthony.

And *69 Love Songs* would be 100 times better if sung by Tim McGraw.

(Also, I'm American, so that can't be my excuse for not understanding Sufjan's Jesus stuff. Though I grow up Catholic, if that makes any difference - I sure as hell understand *The Hold Steady's* Jesus stuff! And I can at least tell B&R's and Kanye's is there. More likely, I just don't understand Puritans. And Sufjan's voice sort of convinces me he is one, even if his words might suggest otherwise.)

xhuxk, Friday, 23 December 2005 14:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean, are you saying that Gretchen's religion sounds plastic *because* it's shiny? Not sure I get that. What is it that "Jesus Walks" does that "Chariot" or Big & Rich's Christian songs don't? (And by nu-god types, do you mean like exurban Megachurchgoers? Fundamentalist Born Agains? Or what? Just not sure I'm following you.)

xhuxk, Friday, 23 December 2005 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link

i am thinking outloud mostly...

plastic is not only shiny, but kind of kitschy, and sort of useless...i find it really heavily manufactured and sort of inauthentic, like the glow in the dark jesus night lights, but infused with a self awareness that compounds its (boredom, manipulation, something else here...i cant exactly place it--and it sounds like im making an arguement in the other direction and that makes me nervous...)

nugod types, i mean mega churches, the wal marts, with no real discernable theology and no hardness, no rawness, nothing emotionally naked, nothing abject, which maybe my catholicism is requiring...

the thing then, is how to make things work theologically, and work as "good", interesting, shiny, pop music, because it seems like something both country&hip hop people are (and have been) working on--and listening to the two chariots back to back, i see that--there is something cute and almost colonial/racist/off putting about Wilson (something I fail to see in lets say Holy Water by B/R or Jesus Walks by Kanye)

am i still obtuse?

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 23 December 2005 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link

and amusingly Little Lady Preacher by Tom T Hall just came on itunes, which has something to sa about all of this too

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 23 December 2005 14:53 (nineteen years ago) link

(By the way, if anybody's interested, Lindsay Lohan does "I Want You To Want Me" better than Cheap Trick ever did. It was never even close to one of their best songs, I've always thought, but then again, not until now did I ever notice what a great line "I'll get home early from work if you'll say that you want me" is. Getting home early from work is such an important thing in everyday life! Lindsay singing that line hit me the second time through. I've heard the Cheap Trick version thousands of times, probably, and the line never grabbed me.)

xhuxk, Friday, 23 December 2005 15:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, the bassline in "Fastlane" comes from "Roxanne" by the Police!

xhuxk, Friday, 23 December 2005 15:13 (nineteen years ago) link

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, "They have their reward." But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. After this manner therefore pray ye:

Our Father which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name

etc.

This makes a good strong religious argument against prayer in schools, does it not? (Though one could always go into the janitor's closet and pray there, I suppose.)

For the Puritan argument for separation of church and state, see Roger Williams, whom I've written a song about, as has Slim Cessna, though my song's better and I know about Williams' actual ideas and Cessna doesn't. Here's an excerpt from Cessna's lyrics (to read mine, buy my book):

His name is Roger Williams
Man he's got a soul
He's the man of the cloth
He likes to rock 'n' roll
Beatin' on his Bible
Just to stay in time
Ten little Indians
Standing in line

which misrepresents the man in so many ways I don't know where to begin, but no, he didn't beat on the Bible just to stay in time, he demanded that you read the Bible and think about what was written in it - "without search and trial, no man attains his faith and right persuasion" - and so he believed that the no state had the right to enforce a particular interpretation of the Bible on anyone, such false right being referred to by him as a "bloudy tenent" [tenet], since it was enforced with blood.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 23 December 2005 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link

King James' Minions In Not Knowing Difference Between "That" And "Which" Shockah!

(nor "who" and "which")

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 23 December 2005 15:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Should be "that no state had the right to enforce..."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 23 December 2005 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link

The Cessna album has some not-bad songs, esp. the murder ballad that goes "This is how it's always been/This is how we do things in the country." But he's another one of those alt-country guys who refuses to project his voice.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 23 December 2005 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

"Teeny" would make a good hip-hop name, though not as good as "Leann Rimes" when you forget to capitalize the A. (Phil Dellio thought it was a rapper's name when he first saw it in Billboard, which lists people in all caps: LEANN RIMES.) But no, Teeny is an ILXer, a mod over on the ILE board who treats everyone decently no matter what the provocation and who makes invariably sane decisions about when to intervene and when to keep hands off. (I check the ModReq board from time to time to keep a line on what the psychos and their codependents are up to; there I've seen Teeny's virtues.) Anyway, I seem to remember her posting that she lives in St. Louis.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 23 December 2005 16:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Josh Turner is not an alt-country guy; he projects his voice, and it's a warm booming baritone, I guess (inasmuch as I know how to identify "baritone"). Still not sure how much I like it. He did that long black train song last year that lotsa people loved but which, for me, was more like "lookit me I'm doing a long black train song, how dark is that, huh?" It was okay, though. So's his new album that's coming out, *Your Man,* or at least the 9 songs I've listened to so far --well, not all of them, not even most of them. But "No Rush" is a truly sexy lover-with-a-slow-hand song that reminds me that the Pointer Sisters had their country moments too (not that it remotely sounds like them). And there a song about buying "Loretta Lynn's Lincoln" that drops lots of classic country names that, okay, well, it sort of annoyed me so far I guess. And one called "White Noise" that's a duet with some familiar country voice from the '80s (John Anderson, maybe? Or maybe not) who isn't mentioned on my advance CD; the idea is that country music is "white noise" but one line's a disclaimer about how this ain't a question of black and white, it's about Johnny Cash and Charlie Pride, so I have no idea what the "white" part IS supposed to mean. And there's another duet with some way older country guy (Ralph Stanley, maybe? these are totally wild guesses mind you) called "Me and God"; first line argues that anything's possible with me and God, but at first I swore Josh was saying anything was possible with a MEAN God, which would of course be a much scarier yet more interesting idea, but no dice. So, um....at least ONE good song, the "No Rush" one. But maybe more. (And I am gonna be embarrassed when I figure out who I confused with John Anderson....okay, I'll check the internet: Gulp, it IS John Anderson; Josh co-wrote it with him -- I passed the blindfold test, yay! And "Me And God" IS Ralph Stanley!! I'm shocked I got those right.)

xhuxk, Friday, 23 December 2005 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link

wow xhuxk, that's real good
keep it up, you could have a
career doing this!
______

if you guys had heard
ezequiel pena's disc
you would all love it

it's all classicist
but ranchero done so well!
mariachi punch

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 23 December 2005 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I've been wondering what Anderson has been up to, so glad to have that info. He needs a comeback album, though I wouldn't Rubinize him. Get Billy Sherrrill maybe, make it a double comeback.

Thanks for the info about Teeny, Frank. Feel free to let her know there's at least one other St. Louisian on board. I occaisonally peruse and butt in on some of the other threads, but I haven't explored much of the ILXiverse. I had fun swapping a few xmas tunes on that one YSI thread.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 23 December 2005 16:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I actually liked John Anderson's *Nobody's Got It All* comeback in 2001. He covered "Atlantic City" by Springsteen on it, and did a song called "Five Generations of Rock County Wilsons," and there were a couple rocking tracks. I think my copy's still in the storage garage. Looks like he's put out an album or two since, but I never heard them.

New Josh Turner winds down to a song about gravity that's sadly more metaphorical than scientific followed by the rote "Way Down South" that ends with some nice jaunty picking of "Dixie". Just remembered there was also an earlier tune about feeling out of place in the big city. If this was an *Entertaiment Weekly* review, I'd give it a B.

xhuxk, Friday, 23 December 2005 17:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Jesus still seems shiny and postmodern, when I occasionally go into Lifeway (a shapeshifting of the Baptist Bookstore, the *Southern* Baptist Bookstore, but funny how even such a conservative cornerstone gets Free Enterprised back towards something our Yankee Daddy Roger Williams might recognize around the corners of his morning mirror.) Shiny and postmodern as discreetly implied by the latest editions of translations, paraphrases, commentaries, and the cellular divisions of Baptist churches all over town, lotsa towns. Something is authentic if it really speaks to you, means something to you "but we see through a glass darkly"(from when "a glass" meant a looking glass, a polished,reflective surface, anyway). Anthony, you might dig Blind Arvella Gray's The Singing Drifter(see Voice review). Merry Christmas Happy Hollydays allyall

don, Saturday, 24 December 2005 02:04 (nineteen years ago) link

i will look for it

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 24 December 2005 07:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, it's worth looking for: dobro provides shiney slivers of sounds bound for glory (and gorey), slippery skills, saving bum notes, bringing them back to the fold, eager voice through shadows and other http://www.conjuroo.com/

don, Saturday, 24 December 2005 22:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Mr. President I don't like you/You don't know how to rock.
—Dick Valentine, Electric Six

Which is more or less what Tim McGraw sang a couple of years ago about David Schneiderman (well, about then-owners of the Voice, the Scene, etc.). It's an irrelevant comment, since rock isn't what it once was socioculturally, and jerks like Bush probably can rock as well as the next guy, and jerks like Reagan were widely perceived to be more "rock" than either Carter or Mondale. There's no incompatability between rock and Bushdom that I can see.

That said, not only don't I like the President, I don't see how wiretapping people without a warrant when there's a specific law against it as well as years of court decisions against it is different in kind from having your agents break into Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office without a warrant or having them break into the Democratic National Committee headquarters at the Watergate. All are equally crimes; all merit impeachment. (But impeachment won't happen. Not enough people care.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 25 December 2005 05:25 (nineteen years ago) link

(But impeachment won't happen. Not enough people care.)

more to the point, the legislature and white house are controlled by the same party. impeachment becomes a real possibility when a republican president faces a democratic congress (nixon) or vice versa (clinton).

fact checking cuz (fcc), Sunday, 25 December 2005 05:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Xpost

Just listened to the Marianne Pillsburys' "Girls Night Out" which is the girls night theme gone bad: "Why is it that the alcohol doesn't make me feel special at all?" "So why is it that I feel so alone?" 'Cause one girl's making out with some guy in the corner, another is constantly on the phone with her boyfriend, and a third is in the girls' room throwing up.

(Not a country band; more in the genre I call "Long Island bar bitch," with bratty sex voice not unlike the Slunts or even the much-better-than-the-Slunts Lindsay Lohan. Not that any of those performers are from Long Island, that's just what the voice seems like to me. And the Marianne P's' singer only starts with that voice; then she goes plaintive as the night goes wrong.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 25 December 2005 05:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Now I'm up to Hilary Duff. Never in the course of human events have so many melodies been lavished on such a tiny voice.

Well, for the Churchillian effect I wanted I should have said, "Never in the field of human artistry was so much melody lavished by so many on such a tiny voice."

Unless, of course, there were many lavishing melody several years back on Robyn, whose voice is as tiny as Hilary's, and whose arrangements are as tiny as her voice. (I don't know her previous work, and the current has only a couple people doing the lavishing, from what I can tell.) I sympathize with the person over on the Robyn thread who said that Robyn is "pop" not pop (well, that's what the person intended to say), though that won't remove Robyn from my P&J candidates list (which also includes Fannypack, Annie, and Franz Ferdinand, all of whom are at least as "pop" not pop as Robyn). Robyn, like all of those parenthetically listed in the previous sentence, has an edge or a twist or something that I won't take the space to describe since she/it are not country-related. "Konichiwa Bitch," the one hip-hop track, is the most sublimely silly rap since "Jam On It" and "Attack of the Name Game," though with an edge/twist of obnoxiousness, the consciousness of its silliness being a who-gives-a-fuck bit of transgression.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 25 December 2005 06:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, and I'm now finally hitting the Sublime Frequencies comps and I've found some actual country-relatedness I hadn't expected: Guitars of the Golden Triangle: Raw, Rare & Forgotten Archival Recordings from 1970's Shan State. Folk and Pop Music of Myanmar (Burma) Vol. 2 has recordings from '70s–early-'80s, but all seem fundamentally '60s and even '50s in their westernisms (I don't know if this reflects the province's electric music of the time or the taste of collector Alan Bishop). Some of the melodies are country and westernish in the "western" sense; that is, they seem related to stuff like "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance," though the performances are far more gentle than you'd get from Gene Pitney. Also some subdued Chuck Berry or subdued rockabilly (not totally unlike Ricky Nelson). And there's garage psychedelia on several of the tracks, a break that sounds like "Pushin' Too Hard"; of course, all this with that high-pitched piercingness you get in Asian music; the melodies wouldn't be mistaken for actual occidental rock 'n' roll. According to the liner notes, most of this stuff was never even heard in the parts of Myanmar/Burma outside of the remote, lawless region in which it was recorded.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 25 December 2005 06:19 (nineteen years ago) link

the consciousness of its silliness being a who-gives-a-fuck bit of transgression

I meant "conscious that its silliness is a who-gives-a-fuck bit of transgression," though I probably should have simply said, "the silliness has an air of 'who gives a fuck' and 'I am being gleefully transgressive,' which she is."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 25 December 2005 06:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Which sort of silliness/transgression is one of the many things that makes Robyn not country. Don't know if anything country has been transgressively silly since rockabilly, and I believe (though I wasn't there, so don't really know) that rockabilly never was truly embraced by country in its time (and so it's been perpetually discovered/embraced by country ever since).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 25 December 2005 06:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Should be "One of the many things that make"; not "makes."

This is a mistake I makes all the time.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 25 December 2005 13:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Not sure if anyone mentioned this above, but Joe Nichols' "Tequila Makes Her Clothes Fall Off" is a girls-night-out song from the point of view of the guy left home.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 26 December 2005 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

gary allan and
marty stuart currently
running neck and neck

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 26 December 2005 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link

*By the way, am I the only person who thought that '05 Elizabeth Cook album (which K Sanneh plugged in this morning's otherwise rightfully transit-strike-dominated Times as this year's great lost country album) had no memorable tunes to speak of, despite her purty voice? She strikes me as somebody who'd be a *lot* better if she was poppier.*


yeah, I think that, exactly. she's good live, though. her husband, Tim Carroll, does some nice Bare-Jr.-esque kinda stuff, he's an excellent guitarist. I've hung out with Tim and Elizabeth in the past, know them slightly, always thought Elizabeth was good. she gave me her CD when I bumped into them, after six-seven years, at the American fest (where she played a good set), and I just couldn't get into it. maybe she'll do something better, she was on a major label for one album back a few years ago, right?

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 26 December 2005 21:18 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, trying to make the transition from P&J to Scene poll (though I seem to be getting waylaid by the ILM poll, which gives us 20 slots and allows songs as well as singles; my 20 spot is a battle between Ashlee's girl's-night song and t.A.T.u.'s heterolust-complication number):

Kathleen Edwards' "Back to Me," which I like more than "In State." I can see how she could be a bore at album length, but one at a time she's OK. I'd describe the style as L.A. folk-rock country-rock chick-rock that's heard the Velvets (the designation "L.A." obv. not having to do with where current practitioners are located), Lucinda I guess being the official queen of this little patch, though Sheryl (who goes Stones rather than Velvet, hence not in the patch) crushes any of it, at least Sheryl circa 1998. "Back to Me" is a thin pain sound w/ hard rock kicker, slowly tries to intensify. Worth more listens.

(I haven't heard this year's Sheryl. George and Chuck say nice things about it upthread, but are too brief.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 16:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Sara Evans songs usually sound blah to me, so she comes across as just a warm, rich singer with a quality voice. The Julie Andrews of country, but nothing as good as "Feed the Birds" or "Rain in Spain." Maybe someone could prevail on Evans to record "Supercalifragilisticexpialadocious."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Shannon Brown, "Corn Fed." A good solid "Gloria"/"Sister Ray"–three-chorder, lite style, though marred by the usual lying xenophobic, chauvinist lyrics about the innocence and safety of the rural heartland. Someone should prevail upon Shannon to record "Sister Ray," or Shooter's "Daddy's Farm," or that Darryl Worley song from a couple years back about the heartland drug town.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Patricia Vonne "Texas Burning": The verse has good minor-key folk-rock drama, setting up the chorus to zing us. On first listen, I don't think it quite reaches its explosion.

She'll sometimes push her voice super-high like Shakira's, though without the gear-grinding vibrato. Interesting.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 16:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Speaking of not-locking your doors in the corn-fed country, and my not knowing the history of country too well, have there been a lot of major-label country guys who've sung lyrics like this one of Shooter's?

Chitty chitty bang bang and I hit the floor
Two little piggies bust down my door
The first little piggy went down
Second little piggy started poppin' off rounds

(That actually may have been among the town events that propelled him to daddy's farm. But it certainly implies that farm doors stay locked too.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 16:53 (nineteen years ago) link

(My Sara Evans comments are based on a previous album that I ended up selling and this year's single "A Real Fine Place to Start." Haven't heard the full LP.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

kelly clarkson on mtv, the video that looked like some lost melodrama, all blonde on black, with heart break and a sort of undersung sadness/meloncholy...i dont remember the song, but how it was sung was more country and less girl singer, more lambert and less lohan...

the working out of what makes a singer country is interesting once again, if one likes to play those kind of topopgraphic games...

anthony, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 17:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Another good reason to dislike Kathleen Edwards (whose debut I still say was way better than her followup, and still not all that great):

She's got the #4 album of the year in Entertainment Weekly (behind Fiona, Beck, and Kanye), pretty ridiculous in its own right, but even more so when the magazine's #1 WORST album of the year is....get ready..."Coming To Your City" by Big & Rich!! Also, Chris Willman (whose new book about country music and politics looks promising) ties Martina McBride's most boring album ever (or at least since I started listening to Martina McBride albums) with Lee Ann Womack's for 8th place on his list. (And since his #4 is Robbie Fulks and his #6 is Rodney Crowell, now I'm wondering if the Womack isn't duller than I thought. It's not, but in such dull company, it sure deserves to be.) (At least Fulks and Crowell seemed dull when I dutifully once attempted to put them on; am I totally wrong about both of them?)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 28 December 2005 01:07 (nineteen years ago) link

So basically Edwards/Fulks/Crowell/Womack = good; Big & Rich = evil (they complain how B&R turn every genre they touch into a freakshow, as if that wasn't sort of the point!) adds up to "(country or otherwise) music should be tasteful or else." Sorry, but that still pisses me off (truth is, if the second B&R album has a problem, it's that it's maybe *too* tasteful.)


>L.A. folk-rock country-rock chick-rock that's heard the Velvets<

Well, the Velvets' third album, anyway. Anyway, in case anybody missed it, some intriguing and amusing Dave Queen thoughts on this very topic:

http://villagevoice.com/music/0552,queen,71334,22.html

xhuxk, Wednesday, 28 December 2005 13:35 (nineteen years ago) link

>"(country or otherwise) music should be tasteful or else."<

And of course this explains picking a Martina McBride LP where she covers THE MOST OBVIOUS COUNTRY MUSEUM RELICS IN HUMAN HISTORY AS IF WE SHOULD GIVE A SHIT AND RENDERS THEM COMPLETLY MEANINGLESS too.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 28 December 2005 13:40 (nineteen years ago) link

crowell WAS boring
fulks much better but still not
quite top ten worthy

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Crowell was mostly tedious: I like that "Beautiful Despair" song about hearing Dylan drunk at 3am cause it sounds true enough and the Dylan cover with Emmylou is pretty albeit kinda obvious. The political tunes are almost unlistenable.

Willman is wronger than wrong about that Martina album. Even if you grade it on a curve within its proper genre--country karaoke--it's a C-. But I doubt Willman thinks B&R, in general, is evil. He's written good stuff about them in the past and I'm pretty sure he gave Cowboy Troy's album a positive review.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, the Velvets' third album, anyway.

First album too, for "Heroin," the strum and drone. You know Lucinda's listened to that one, and all those other alt-sad-chicks have listened to Lucinda.

Gary Allan's "Just Got Back From Hell" owes a debt to "Heroin" too, though it actually sounds more like "Temporary Thing," the best track on Lou's Rock and Roll Heart.

And I think on another thread I talked about "Kerosene" having the Velvets in its ancestry, or if not the Velvets, then the Yardbirds and Kinks albs that the Velvets listened to.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 22:42 (nineteen years ago) link

kelly clarkson on mtv, the video that looked like some lost melodrama, all blonde on black, with heart break and a sort of undersung sadness/meloncholy...i dont remember the song, but how it was sung was more country and less girl singer, more lambert and less lohan...

Could be either "Breakaway" or "Because of You" (the blonder of the two) either or which could be country with (or without) a few tweaks, as could Hope Partlow's "Crazy Summer Nights," if you want to vote for any of them.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 23:18 (nineteen years ago) link

God, I heard three "Homemaker is a hero" songs in like an hour: April Taylor's "Hero at Home," SheDaisy's "God Bless the American Housewife," and Jamie O'Neal's "Somebody's Hero." SheDaisy's has an extra twist (or extra lunacy) in insisting that the housewife is nonstop glamorous and sexy while hustling around with the kids and doing all the chores. Her diamonds sparkle by the garbage can. She's the envy of the neighborhood. Gad! Where's Loretta Lynn when you need her? Or Lucy Jordan? Insane!

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 23:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Blake Shelton's "Nobody But Me" was a radio focus track this year. Melody reminds me of the Band's "Weight," though Shelton's song has a lighter feel. Toby Keith's "Big Blue Note" also is light on its feet, a witty, sweet two-step of a heartbreak song. In the video, Toby is there singing beside the still-dressed-in-tie-and-jacket middle manager who comes home to read his woman's "I'm gone, buster" note; so scruffy Toby stands for the guy's inner outlaw, his grizzled wisdom.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 23:30 (nineteen years ago) link

>Hope Partlow's "Crazy Summer Nights," if you want to vote for [it]. <

Yeah, this occurred to me after I sent my Nashville Scene ballot in; I hadn't thought before about thinking of it as "country". It did make my Pazz & Jop list, though (though technically it's still not a single, and probably won't be, now that Hope's label dumped her).

xhuxk, Wednesday, 28 December 2005 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link

i havent heard hope partlow

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, I'd thought it was a single, 'cause you voted for it. (Since you were voting for a nonsingle, why that one rather than "Girlfriend," which Cougar-rocks and even harder?)

Didn't know she was dropped. With her personality and chops she will make money singing, guaranteed, if she wants to. I don't think the songwriting (and perhaps her taste, therefore) were near up to her voice, however. But what is she, seventeen?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 29 December 2005 00:05 (nineteen years ago) link

"Girlfriend" doesn't Cougar-rock at all, Frank; it Abba-rocks! And I just prefer "Jack and Diane" to "Does Your Mother Know," I guess. Though I love them both. And in the long run, I may regret not voting for Hope's album (which three P&J voters did, though I can't say who.)

And yeah, she's 17 (and I think the songwriting is often really good).

Mikael Wood's appraisal of her, Brie Larsen, etc, can be found here:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0552,wood,71326,22.html

And the fact that she picked peas on her family farm in Tennesse is pretty country, I guess! Perhaps country fans will eventually agree.

xhuxk, Thursday, 29 December 2005 00:23 (nineteen years ago) link

so, are Pinmonkey's albums--Speak No Evil and Pinmonkey--worth checking into? I've been listening to their new one, Big Shiny Cars, and can't decide if I find it boring, or why I find it boring, yet.

Hope Paltrow is far too pretty to remain in the peapatch, for sure.

and god, I couldn't get thru that last McBride album at all--I've always liked her OK, but that was just torturous.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 29 December 2005 01:07 (nineteen years ago) link

i avoided it, but i cant imagine it being any worse then gods will

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 29 December 2005 01:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Speaking of Cougar rocks - though this is off-topic - last week I listened to Jessica Simpson's "I Think I'm In Love With You" for the first time in four years. It's the one that samples the brief bass-guitar fillip from "Jack and Diane" and otherwise is a basic dance-r&b number where she shows off Mariah melismas. It's likable, since she's willing to make the notes fluffy (which isn't to say that she fluffs any of the notes). But what's amazing is the Peter Rauhofer Club Mix that's included on the single. No Cougar notes, just driving, ominous techno and Jessica's "I think I'm in love"s sounding icy but heartbreaking, darting up and down above the jagged synths. Might as well be a totally different song.

(In general, I'm not one of these guys who says, "No, you gotta hear the remix.")

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 29 December 2005 02:26 (nineteen years ago) link

>i cant imagine it being any worse then gods will<

well, it was, since no songs on the new album have anything as astounding as, um, retarded (or were they just crippled? i forget) kids dressing up as bags of leaves for halloween. (also, "god's will" was one of the worst songs on her previous album, which was actually pretty good.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 29 December 2005 05:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Kogan, i would like that, could we arrange that.
chuck, im sorry, i respect you as a critic, but the last album was shit, and gods will was a camp highlight (cf me and little andy)

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 29 December 2005 07:26 (nineteen years ago) link

not shit; see here:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0405,eddy,50736,22.html

xhuxk, Thursday, 29 December 2005 08:20 (nineteen years ago) link

told!

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 29 December 2005 08:20 (nineteen years ago) link

ive read that chuck...

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 29 December 2005 08:27 (nineteen years ago) link

ive read that chuck...its a couple of hundred words, and i dont think it makes as through an arguement as you think it might...

full respect, but ive always thot of mcbride as a commerical oppurtunist, who didnt know how to control her talent or hire people who did, even yr review seems to hint at the uneveness of the work.

and blount, was that really needed?

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 29 December 2005 08:29 (nineteen years ago) link

when did i say it wasn't uneven? but at least it was SOMETHING (i.e, more than the new one.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 29 December 2005 08:39 (nineteen years ago) link

i understand the respect=death thing, and i dont think this was v. good at the nostalgia/sadness trip (i really like kathleen edwards and she does this well, and of course womack) and maybe i have to hear the album again, i didnt give it a really deep listen, but frankly, i didnt think there was anything (valid?) there at all.

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 29 December 2005 08:51 (nineteen years ago) link

told!

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 29 December 2005 08:59 (nineteen years ago) link

james

why are you doing this?

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 29 December 2005 09:16 (nineteen years ago) link

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 29 December 2005 09:27 (nineteen years ago) link

why dont we take this to email, so we dont have to ruin a good thread

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 29 December 2005 10:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Anthony, really, if you don't understand why "This One's For the Girls" is one of the great country-pop singles of our time, you should have heard it during the bouquet-throwing part of my sister's wedding in Michigan last year. (Though admittedly they played "Bad to the Bone" during the garter-throwng part, which struck me as a whole lot more dorky.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 29 December 2005 14:06 (nineteen years ago) link

next time yr sister gets married, ill fiangle me an invite

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 29 December 2005 22:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Hope Partlow's "Girlfriend" - fast ZZ fizzies on the guitars. Another reason to consider the album country, though my favorite track is "Everywhere But Here," which is the least country/most teenpop feisty wail of a sad-happy I'm gone 'n' you'll miss me lament-triumph Ashlee-Lindsay-Lohan thing.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I meant Ashlee-Kelly-Lohan thing. Otherwise, I'm being redundant.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I haven't heard Gypsy Punk and would like to (though to be honest, New York Gypsymania is still sitting on my half-heard pile). But if I were counting Euro-Gypsy immigration music as country - which I'm not - Kultur Shock would finish number two, behind Deana and ahead of Miranda.

(Is Chuck the only other person in these parts to have heard Kultur Shock? If Bordello are gypsy punk, these guys are Balkan thrash, among other things.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Listen to Kultur Shock here.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:44 (nineteen years ago) link

whoah. Is he singing "Tutti Frutti Geritol"? I think the Metal/Rom mash-up works, and made me think about thrash rhythms differently, as in their relation to folk rhythms. Good singer and decent accordion player too.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:13 (nineteen years ago) link

do you want me to burn it for you Frank, and i admit, im being a bit perverse w. the gogol bordello nom.

i like acholol well enough, kind of clever, well constructed, but i dont understand it on all the best lists, can we talk about that

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 30 December 2005 01:06 (nineteen years ago) link

the day after I
sent in my P&J list
I got a package

eleven CDs
all from Indies Records in
the Czech Republic

at least two of them
might have made my list if I'd
gotten them in time

at least half of them
are country-eligible,
hott punkk violins(e)

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 30 December 2005 01:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Whoah, I hope you will be saying more about the Czech label stuff.

Sorry to bust in everyone, but don, can you e-mail me please. My mail to your yahoo account is bouncing.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 30 December 2005 02:14 (nineteen years ago) link

"Alcohol" is Rolling Stone's numero uno single of the year. I think that says something. Its appeal is vast: I don't know if it was Paisley's biggest radio hit, but it was on the country stations here like crazy, plus the video was pretty good, actually great, by country video standards. It's an uber-singalong ala "Friends in Low Places" and maybe the funnest single about drinking since that tune. It's country that both country and non-country folks can dig. The point of view really is smart; without it the catalog would be indistinguishable. It's got some killer guitar and pedal steel and piano too. It's the first country song to name drop Hemingway. It fits great on a mix tape with Robert Jay's "Alcohol Pt. 1" from that groovy Searching For Soul compilation on Luv and Haight this year. But I still didn't vote for it.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 30 December 2005 04:20 (nineteen years ago) link

i still think that song
patronizing; i pre-
fer "cornology"

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 30 December 2005 04:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Made my Nashville ballot (lower half), not my P&J ballot. First Brad Paisley song I ever cared about; may never give a shit about a song by him again. (Question: Is BP the better guitar player, or is Keith Urban? I really wanna know.) Point of view reminiscent of "Your Only Friend" by Phuture.. But then again (like lots of rock critics?) I drink too much. Including tonight, sigh.

xhuxk, Friday, 30 December 2005 04:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Also I believe it is a WALTZ (though i may be wrong.)

xhuxk, Friday, 30 December 2005 04:50 (nineteen years ago) link

thats canon, Kasten--and its skilled, clever, well constructed, but the guitar isnt as lovely and complicated, or even as fun/low key as other songs on that album, or even songs about drinking this year, i mean i can name 5 or 6 Singles about booze that are as fun, that can be sung along by large clouds, are future karoke classics and do all of that better then Mr Paisley (who i love, usually, well not love, but have a realtionship that i really do respect)

Paisley is the more skilled guitar player i tihnk

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 30 December 2005 04:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Plus, sorry, i am totally a sucker for the geographic specificity of that "since the day I left Milwaukee, Lynchburg, and Bordeaux, France" line, even though (theoretically at least. by alcohol genre) 99.99999 percent of the alcohol I consume would fall in the Milwaukee category, and even though I have no idea how much beer comes from Milwaukee, how much whiskey comes from Lynchburg, and how much wine comes from Bordeaux. Maybe not much. But, in this case anyway, somehow it's the thought that counts....xp

xhuxk, Friday, 30 December 2005 04:59 (nineteen years ago) link

xhuxk are you a huge
fan of "heart of rock and roll"
by huey lewis

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 30 December 2005 05:05 (nineteen years ago) link

its clever, v. well written,
Songs that are better:

All Jacked Up by Gretchen Wilson (with the line: "I grabbed a tire tool and I broke my window, hurt my elbow got me in though"

Tequila makes her Clothes Come Off by Joe Nichols (with the line: I told her to put another layer on/you know what happens when she drinks Petron)

Good As I Once Was by Toby Keith, (with the line:I still throw a few back, talk a little smack
When I'm feelin' bullet proof)

Hicktown by Jason Aldean (with the lines:
We hear folks in the city party in Martini Bars
And they like to show off in their fancy foreign cars
Out here in the boondocks we buy beer at Amoco
And crank our Kraco speakers with that country radio)

Compared to these, Pasiley is a workman

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 30 December 2005 05:09 (nineteen years ago) link

"Heart of Rock and Roll" is pretty good, but the best tracks on *Sports* are "You Crack Me Up," "Walking on a Thin Line,""Heart and Soul," and "Bad is Bad," possibly in that order, and "If This Is It" and "I Want a New Drug" are better than said song as well. Maybe "Finally Found a Home" and "Honky Tonk Blues" too? I dunno. It might be the worst song on the album! But damn, what a great album.

It occurs to me that rock critics often frequent venues where (drunk) white people dance, as well. (An occupational hazard, perhaps, but it helps the song ring true.)

Note though that Toby beat Brad on my own Nashville scene list:
8. Toby Keith - "As Good As I Once Was"
9. Brad Paisley - "Alcohol"

xhuxk, Friday, 30 December 2005 05:20 (nineteen years ago) link

my nashville scene list
must needs be completed soon!
tomorrow night. wine.

and just so you know
the second-best reissue
can be found right here

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 30 December 2005 05:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I need that Rawls album!
Easton: Like I said, I didn't even vote for it on my Scene ballot, so that's all the defense I'll muster. I'm too lazy to look up if it out-charted those songs you mentioned, but my hunch is it did. Not that that should matter, but it probably does. I take Paisley over Urban as a guitar player too.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 30 December 2005 07:46 (nineteen years ago) link

roy
can you please not call me by my last name, i dont know if its jocular or not, but its a long standing issue, and its my shit, but it really sends shivers...

i can do the charting, if you want--but i think that those did as well, im not saying its a bad song, and im not saying it didnt do well, i just find its critical ubquity strange.

thanks
ase

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 30 December 2005 09:36 (nineteen years ago) link

>thats canon, Kasten-<

Not my business, Anthony, but ahem.

xhuxk, Friday, 30 December 2005 12:10 (nineteen years ago) link

i fucked up there, i read too quickly.

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 30 December 2005 12:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Worth looking at, if you haven't already:

No Depression Top 40 of 2005

xhuxk, Friday, 30 December 2005 16:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Is "If This Is It" on Sports? I thought it was on Fore.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 30 December 2005 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Scratch that, I was thinking of "Happy to be Stuck with You".

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 30 December 2005 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

dear frank, does this carrie underwood song (my favorite on her album so far, and probably the hardest stomping and most boogiefied and jazziest and mostly gruffly vocalized, though there's lots of other good stuff on the CD) count as punk rock? I think it very well might:


Right now he's probably slow dancing with a bleached-blond tramp,
and she's probably getting frisky... right now,
he's probably buying her some fruity little drink cause she can't shoot whiskey...
Right now, he's probably up behind her with a pool-stick,
showing her how to shoot a combo...
And he don't know...
That I dug my key into the side of his pretty little souped up 4 wheel drive,
carved my name into his leather seat...
I took a Louisville slugger to both head lights,
slashed a hole in all 4 tires...
And maybe next time he'll think before he cheats.
Right now, she's probably up singing some
white-trash version of Shania karoke..
Right now, she's probably saying "I'm drunk"
and he's a thinking that he's gonna lucky,
Right now, he's probably dabbing 3 dollars worth of that bathroom Polo...
And he don't know...
That I dug my key into the side of his pretty little suped up 4 wheel drive,
carved my name into his leather seat,
I took a Louisville slugger to both head lights,
slashed a hole in all 4 tires...
And maybe next time he'll think before he cheats.
I might saved a little trouble for the next girl,
Cause the next time that he cheats...
Oh, you know it won't be on me!


xhuxk, Friday, 30 December 2005 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link

"We're Young and Beautiful"'s another boogie, total Bo Diddley beat.

xhuxk, Friday, 30 December 2005 18:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Right now, he's probably up behind her with a pool-stick

oh my.

i've never heard that song, but that is an awesome lyric.

but oh my.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 30 December 2005 18:32 (nineteen years ago) link

"I Ain't In Checotah Anymore" is totally amazing too. Clearly if I wanted to be a pest I would send Geoff Himes an ammended version of my Nashville Scene ballot, with *Some Hearts* my #6 album or higher, but having been on the other side of such ammendments for a couple weeks now I know what a pain in the ass it is, so I won't. (May vote for her next year though, and damn the literal-release-date rule.)

xhuxk, Friday, 30 December 2005 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link

i fucked up there, i read too quickly.

No prob, and sorry, Anthony, I didn't mean to be Snow Meiser back at you. (p.s. I didn't get the "canon" thing--did you mean I was being canonical?)

I also think "Alcohol" made more lists than I would have predicted, and I was just trying to toss off ideas as to why--though really I don't have a clue. It sounds swell on my shitty radio in my car, I never turn the dial when it comes on, and if I were making a top 20 country singles list, it would be there, but I can't generate much more enthusiasm this early in the day. Oh wait, it's "Sympathy For the Devil" rewritten as a drinking song. Maybe that explains it. :)

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 30 December 2005 18:51 (nineteen years ago) link

i mean that the thinking you have presented about the paisley single was canonical, and i wanted a deconstrction

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 30 December 2005 23:53 (nineteen years ago) link

How is this "canonical"? Just because he mentioned Rolling Stone??(Wow I am totally lost):

>"Alcohol" is Rolling Stone's numero uno single of the year. I think that says something. Its appeal is vast: I don't know if it was Paisley's biggest radio hit, but it was on the country stations here like crazy, plus the video was pretty good, actually great, by country video standards. It's an uber-singalong ala "Friends in Low Places" and maybe the funnest single about drinking since that tune. It's country that both country and non-country folks can dig. The point of view really is smart; without it the catalog would be indistinguishable. It's got some killer guitar and pedal steel and piano too. It's the first country song to name drop Hemingway. It fits great on a mix tape with Robert Jay's "Alcohol Pt. 1" from that groovy Searching For Soul compilation on Luv and Haight this year. But I still didn't vote for it.<

xhuxk, Saturday, 31 December 2005 00:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought the topic was why "Alcohol" made so many critic lists, ie, why it has been canonized. I wish I could deconstruct how that happened, but my brain is fried today.

Anyways, I'm having fun listening to the new Jessi Colter album and drinking a Christmas present (a bottle of VO; more people should give booze for xmas). Among the many pleasures: electric piano MIXED LOUD. Maybe too much harmonica though.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Saturday, 31 December 2005 00:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think I would have voted for Alcohol if i hadn't seen the video.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 31 December 2005 00:38 (nineteen years ago) link

and its not the frst to name drop hemmingway, chesney did it a year before
and thats exactly what i mean roy, thnx!

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 31 December 2005 02:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Without the line "helping white people dance" it only gets half the airplay and about 10% of the votes.

The music is kind of... [shrugs].

Brad Paisley songs that mean a lot more to me than "Alcohol" does:

--"Whiskey Lullaby" (I like my alcohol songs better when someone dies)

--That one from several years back where he asks the girl if she wants to dance and she says "No," and he says, "That's good, I don't want to either," or something like that.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 31 December 2005 05:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Chuck, I'd have to hear the Underwood to decide if it felt punk. E.g., Lohan's "I Live for the Day" probably reads as far more virulent than Ashlee's "I Am Me" (Lohan: "I live for the day, I live for the night, that you will be desperate and dying inside") but its feel isn't punk; it's more Crüe glammetal joy (though better than I remember Crüe ever being). Whereas when Ashlee's going "whoa whoa whoa," she's dancing on our graves - something that wouldn't come across on a lyric sheet. (Not that Ashlee's dance isn't as joyful as Lindsay's; but it's also far more earnest. Ashlee works hard.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 31 December 2005 06:03 (nineteen years ago) link

its not the frst to name drop hemmingway, chesney did it a year before

Yeah, you're right. I always forget about Chesney. I think it's a willful thing.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Saturday, 31 December 2005 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, "Alcohol" is in triple-time. I think it's a great single, didn't care too much for the rest of the album. to my ears, it reminds me of something by Ray Davies, simulated Kinks-esque "sloppiness" in triple time, and pretty funky if you ask me, sly.

As far as the Carrie Underwood song about scratching up the guy's car with her keys, I thought it was OK, didn't like the one she cowrote about Checotah. Liked the Diane Warren songs, one or two others, felt the whole record was overkill, just too damned much going on with the admittedly superb playing and Paul Buckmaster string arrangements dovetailing with the perfect guitar licks and all that, and sometimes her singing just really got underneath my skin. boy, someone really worked *hard* on that record, and I don't even think she's a bad singer at all--a good singer, but for me that is never quite enough.

guess I'll go over to the ND thread and look at that list again--it just dispirited me so much I didn't even want to post my comments about it.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 1 January 2006 00:23 (nineteen years ago) link

So is it time to start a 2006 thread yet? Anyway, I think Carrie's Checotah song is really rousing, it totally gets the big sky in her sound when she sings about missing it, and I love the lines about there being no Walmarts in New York and her hotel housing as many people as a small town and her dinner costing as much as a downpayment (though I could easily recommend NYC restaurants where that wouldn't happen) and about the Oklahoma college football game (though are there really cows to tip in Tulsa? I wouldn't know.) "Wasted" is also great, maybe "Jesus Take the Wheel" too, maybe more, I'm not sure yet.

Any Canadians know about Bocephus King? Joe McCombs burned me his 2005 CD, and it's fucking great, though it's as much blues and gospel and prog and Eurodisco as country (I guess the actual genre would be "singer-songwriter," except most ss's forget about having any music. Bocephus doesn't; he's got tracks that last 10 minutes, even instrumentals.)

Reissued debut Duhks album from, uh, 2002 or so is also quite entertaining by the way.

xhuxk, Sunday, 1 January 2006 06:28 (nineteen years ago) link

(Joe compares Bocephus King's singing style to Leon Russell's on AMG; I never listened to the latter much beyond "Tight Rope", but the vocal comparison sounds right to me.)

New Anthony Hamilton, though, despite his occasional country rep, is significantly less country than Lionel Richie not to mention a crashing bore, total "'70s soul" in quotes shtick, except Anthony has neither the voice nor the melodies to pull '70s soul off, Maybe not the lyrics either, though it's possible his delivery caused me to miss some. Not sure if his early stuff is better than this or not; Haikunym to thread, you've got explaining to do.

xhuxk, Sunday, 1 January 2006 06:48 (nineteen years ago) link

i just started a 2006, i hope thats alright)

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 1 January 2006 07:14 (nineteen years ago) link

No it's not! Yes of course it is. Actually I'm not the one to ask, probably. But this might help:

Rolling Country 2006 Thread

xhuxk, Sunday, 1 January 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
I Love Eliza Neals new album "Liquorfoot" check out all her live video on her site http://www.liqorfoot.com like 2 hours worth. I saw your thread XHHED and checked Her out. I love "love me like that" being a little overweight myself, I seem to be humming this all the time now....
OK thanks and keep posting new stuff so I can find new artists like Eliza, Thanks

Susan M in Nashville, Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link

The Dixie Bee Liners new CD is pretty killer. Ostensively bluegrass, but lots of other influences too, mid-sixties Osborne Brothers, Dillards, they call it "bible belt noir."

Eric Karmen, Monday, 30 January 2006 23:30 (nineteen years ago) link


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