There are two kinds of people in the world: People who hate Wolf Eyes and liars

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Has anyone actually paid money for this garbage and if so, have they done it for reasons other than self-flagellation?

Do you throw it on in the car and sing along?

― yr mom (yr mom), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)

Check out the low end on "Dead Hills" and "Dread"- that shit BUMPS in a bass jeep so deal with it . . .

now playing: Flux of Pink Indians

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:25 (twenty years ago)

Wolf Eyes is good zombie slaughterin' music.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:26 (twenty years ago)

I've enjoyed a Wolf Eyes live show, and I've willingly paid for a copy of the Liars' latest album, and have listened to it more than three times all the way through (wondering why people actively hate this album when there are clearly tons of worse albums released last year alone.. I mean, it's not genius, but jeez)

― donut debonair (donut), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:27 (twenty years ago)

"that shit BUMPS in a bass jeep"

So does a short circuit but that doesn't make it musical or worthwhile...

― yr mom (yr mom), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:27 (twenty years ago)

How does a short circuit bump?

― stephen morris (stephen morris), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:28 (twenty years ago)

How does a short circuit bump? Doesn't it just... crackle? Or buzz?

― stephen morris (stephen morris), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:29 (twenty years ago)

by 'liars' do you mean ppl who lie, or the band?

― ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:29 (twenty years ago)

http://www.johnny-five.com/fanart/7.jpg
jigga what

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:30 (twenty years ago)

"Dead Hills" and "Dread"- that shit BUMPS in a bass jeep

lol! its Hummer music for real

― rizzx (rizzx), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:30 (twenty years ago)

So does a short circuit but that doesn't make it musical or worthwhile...

aw shit geir posse alert

― donut debonair (donut), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

liars have faded into obscurity at this point anyway.

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

also, what are the other type of people? people who love wolf eyes and liars?

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

Prevaricators. Pretenders (not the band).

― yr mom (yr mom), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)

by 'liars' do you mean ppl who lie, or the band?

HAHAHAHA

Never Mind!

</Emily Latella>

― donut debonair (donut), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)

I think he means you either hate them or pretend to appreciate them.

― darin (darin), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:34 (twenty years ago)

that's what i thought... just didn't wanna make an ass out of me and me

― ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:37 (twenty years ago)

what if you pretend to hate wolf eyes?

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)

the thing is that you have to get rid of your Beatles/Beach Boys-infected sense of what music is supposed to be, to maybe appreciate it at least

― rizzx (rizzx), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:42 (twenty years ago)

I like the first sentence of the Pitchfork review of 'Burned Mind:' "Music should not make you want to die."

I was hoping someone could clue me in regarding their value, beyond 'they are able to produce low frequencies.'

― yr mom (yr mom), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

That's not true, I've been listened to both Wolf Eyes and the Beach Boys today!

― stephen morris (stephen morris), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:46 (twenty years ago)

nothing wrong with an abbrasive mindfuck on record

xpost -- yes, thats possible but you made a little space for something freaky inside your head then

― rizzx (rizzx), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:46 (twenty years ago)

This thread seems like a good opportunity to ask a question that's been on my mind a while -- What exactly IS rockism?

But seriously, "yr mom," if you are genuinely asking what someone might see in those bands, I'll tell you my own take on it: I listen to A LOT of music. So much so that I have found myself over the years gravitating towards more "out there" sounds. Occasionally, I am simply just interested in hearing sounds manipulated and fucked with, twisted around. Sometimes when I'm driving in my car I am not in the mood to fist-pump to "Since U Been Gone." Though that happens too. Sometimes I would rather have some evil, gnarly crunchy noise. Or some high pitched squelchy noise. Out comes, you know, Pavement, and in goes Neon Hunk. And it serves it's purpose for a while.

I suspect you're mostly just being a troll, but I think it's a legitimate question. I certainly remember a time in my life where I said things like "that sounds like a blender! That's not MUSIC!" But now, I geniunely get satisfaction and pleasure from a lot of that kind of thing. It's not a creepy elitist thing or a desperate willful obscurity. It's just a love for all kinds of music in all their forms and faces.

― Waking Up Onstage at Jumbo's (Bent Over at the Arclight), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:48 (twenty years ago)

why does anyone like einstezende neubauten? merzbow?

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:48 (twenty years ago)

I love the texture and atmosphere of Wolf Eyes, Dread and Burned Mind especially. Sounds great on headphones or on really loud speakers.

― stephen morris (stephen morris), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:48 (twenty years ago)

xpost - thats worth an OTM to the guy with the longer post (sorry forgot your name)

― rizzx (rizzx), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

yr mom, just because you don't "get it" or "like it" doesn't exactly mean other people are lying about enjoying it. quite an assumption.

another case of: it's your world, we just live in it.

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

I find Wolf Eyes to be about the only thing that physically pains me to hear, so I don't know why others enjoy it so much. But lots of people like cutting themselves too, so what do I know.

― darin (darin), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:53 (twenty years ago)

No - I'm dead serious. I listen to tons of music, too, much of it weird and less-than-tuneful, but when I listened to WE to see what all the buzz was about I was just like 'WTF?' Where's the artistic value in this?

I can see the value of 'noise rock' or whatever, but it just seems like it's been done. Harry Pussy, Merzbow, Smegma, etc. How do you improve upon it? How do you 'raise the bar' for noise rock?

― yr mom (yr mom), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:53 (twenty years ago)

yr mom, just because you don't "get it" or "like it" doesn't exactly mean other people are lying about enjoying it. quite an assumption.

cutty OTM. I have lots of friends that genuinely enjoy Wolf Eyes, Black Dice, etc.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:54 (twenty years ago)

cutty - I feel your "just because you don't "get it" or "like it" doesn't exactly mean other people are lying about enjoying it" and I agree.

I just want these people (I suspect they're full of shit) to tell me what I'm missing.

― yr mom (yr mom), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:56 (twenty years ago)

By hitting yourself in the head with a mace.

― mitch dub (ano ano), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:58 (twenty years ago)

xxpost

― mitch dub (ano ano), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:58 (twenty years ago)

I suspect they're full of shit

this kills it, how can you make that assumption already?

― rizzx (rizzx), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:59 (twenty years ago)

wolf eyes have a pretty sophisticated palate of sound that they work with, far more than this thread indicates FWIW.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 11 April 2005 23:00 (twenty years ago)

I just want these people (I suspect they're full of shit) to tell me what I'm missing

well, when you ask so nicely I don't see why they're not lining up to explain themselves.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 11 April 2005 23:04 (twenty years ago)

"I can see the value of 'noise rock' or whatever, but it just seems like it's been done. Harry Pussy, Merzbow, Smegma, etc. How do you improve upon it? How do you 'raise the bar' for noise rock?"

Wolf Eyes are po-mo, though, right? It's not about raising the bar; it's about saying that Throbbing Gristle ruled and so on. Which is fine. Admirable, even.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 11 April 2005 23:05 (twenty years ago)

I mean, given that they seem to do it so well.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 11 April 2005 23:05 (twenty years ago)

"I find Wolf Eyes to be about the only thing that physically pains me to hear, so I don't know why others enjoy it so much. But lots of people like cutting themselves too, so what do I know."

I don't see what's painful about it. It just sounds. Maybe you should turn it down if it's too loud.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 11 April 2005 23:06 (twenty years ago)

Can we stick a fork in it?

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 11 April 2005 23:10 (twenty years ago)

Translation: I like At the Drive-In

― Open your eyes; you can fly! (ex machina), Monday, 11 April 2005 23:13 (twenty years ago)

Boring indie fux "Ssion" used to have -- I believe on their webpage this blurb.

About SSION
at least we aren’t wolf eyes.

There's a lot of sour grapes in indieland. Wah wah, wah wah.

― Open your eyes; you can fly! (ex machina), Monday, 11 April 2005 23:15 (twenty years ago)

assuming that people pretend to like a kind of music is sort of a zero sum game. or that people like music for its own sake. any kind of music.

i think its good behaviour to at least try and acknowledge that people like the music they say they like? or, at least, that some people like it, whatever it is?

i think things like 'artistic value', you just have to accept is in all music, all art. i think you run into sticky ground when you try and place things outside the parameters of 'music' or 'art'. to not like a music is fine, to say its not music i think is much more difficult

i'm not really going to defend wolf eyes specifically, (i dont mind them, but that isnt the point), of course people like them, any band you can think of has people that genuinely like them!

(underneath all this there might just possibly be some interesting question regarding the boundaries of noise and music, but personally i dont agree with arguments that noise and music are separate things)

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 11 April 2005 23:19 (twenty years ago)

2nd sentence means to say, that people like music for its own sake, and others (imply:lesser) for other reasons - to think this is zero sum game

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 11 April 2005 23:21 (twenty years ago)

"now playing: Flux of Pink Indians"

I was playing them today too! One of my favorite bands by the way. i only wish i still had my copy of the fucking pricks treat us like cunts/the fucking cunts treat us like pricks. i coulda played it in honor of andrea dworkin. i played subhumans today too. i am the only hardcore subhumans(u.k.) fan on ilm :(

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 11 April 2005 23:22 (twenty years ago)

Hi gareth! I was thinking of you today when I was playing my Harvey Matusow's Jews Harp Band album today.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 11 April 2005 23:23 (twenty years ago)

ie, i think what i mean is, its difficult to have this kind of discussion, becauuse one sides motives arent believed, and its very difficult to take part in a conversation if the other doesnt actually believe your interest or liking for something

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 11 April 2005 23:23 (twenty years ago)

scott, i started a thread last week about christian pop 1968-1978, i dont think you saw it? and a john rydgren one yesterday, in the same vein. only got one answer though:(

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 11 April 2005 23:24 (twenty years ago)

matusow?

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 11 April 2005 23:24 (twenty years ago)

i only wish i still had my copy of the fucking pricks treat us like cunts/the fucking cunts treat us like pricks.

i could send you a copy. what happened to yours?

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 11 April 2005 23:25 (twenty years ago)

Well, yr mom, you're not "missing" anything if you don't like it! I really resent the idea that I'm full of shit because I DO like Wolf Eyes and Black Dice (I don't think of Liars really being in this group, I mean, I think "There's Always Room on the Broom" from that album is downright catchy).
I mean - people can have personal responses to music that exist outside of whether or not you find it palatable!

― Waking Up Onstage at Jumbo's (Bent Over at the Arclight), Monday, 11 April 2005 23:26 (twenty years ago)

its difficult to have this kind of discussion, becauuse one sides motives arent believed, and its very difficult to take part in a conversation if the other doesnt actually believe your interest or liking for something

Or conversely, you suspect that they are a troll!

― Open your eyes; you can fly! (ex machina), Monday, 11 April 2005 23:27 (twenty years ago)

"i could send you a copy. what happened to yours?"

i had a store in philly for a little while in the early 90's and i sold it there cuz i needed stuff to sell:( and all my crass singles :( including my merry crassmas single :( but i still have my shaved women single :)

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 11 April 2005 23:30 (twenty years ago)

well, i meant, in a wider sense. i mean, this kind of scenario can occur in person also, even with people you know well. "you dont really like xyz, its only for show/pretense/display", if your opinion isnt going to be taken seriously, its difficult to want to take part in that conversation

of course, this also implies that there is somehow something WRONG with liking or doin something partially or even purely for show/pretense/display, which i don't agree with. its not just acceptable to do this, its also good behaviour from time to time, or, sometimes, all the time, if you see what i mean?

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 11 April 2005 23:31 (twenty years ago)

as in, the public or interacting life, is dictated by display necessarily, or, at least, filtered thrugh it

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 11 April 2005 23:32 (twenty years ago)

"scott, i started a thread last week about christian pop 1968-1978, i dont think you saw it?"

i saw it. i posted on it. i think you would dig the christian hippie-pop album by Revelation. They were wacky. I think it's on Mercury. I could be wrong. I have it here somewhere. i got tons of christian stuff. and b'hai and krisna and sufi and eckankar records. and voodoo records. and gregorian chants. and stuff.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 11 April 2005 23:33 (twenty years ago)

thing is, i actually meant to click on the thread below this one, originally!

(oh yes, revelation, i did see that, i remember now)

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 11 April 2005 23:34 (twenty years ago)

I like Wolf Eyes. It's not something I play a lot, but for certain moods, it's ace. It's actually very musical - far from being a wall of unstructured noise.

― o. nate (onate), Monday, 11 April 2005 23:34 (twenty years ago)

wolf eyes, or at least the 3 or 4 records i have heard, are really not that hard to listen to. they come up with some interesting sounds. painful? i could play you some stuff that was friggin' painful.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 11 April 2005 23:46 (twenty years ago)

Have you ever heard ANY noise bands? Wolf Eyes are not painful at all. This thread is painful.

― seahorse genius (seahorse genius), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 01:16 (twenty years ago)

People love blackmetal and deathmetal.. I feel like Wolf Eyes might appeal to some fans of those genres.

― billstevejim, Tuesday, 12 April 2005 01:30 (twenty years ago)

This is such a weird thread! How can someone be full of shit when they say they like something? You are insisting they don't, in fact, like it? And that you could know what another person likes better than s/he could? What does it mean to call this person a liar, then? I'm completely baffled. Is this what happened to Wittgenstein when he declared that most of philosophy was nonsense?

"Rattlesnake Shake" rules it.

― daria g (daria g), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 01:35 (twenty years ago)

Also, if you are really serious about wanting to get into Wolf Eyes, I would check out the new album first, then go back to Dead Hills (preferably track 2), listen to it very loud. Then find everything else.

― seahorse genius (seahorse genius), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 01:43 (twenty years ago)

"Have you ever heard ANY noise bands? Wolf Eyes are not painful at all. This thread is painful.
-- seahorse genius (seahorsegeniu...), April 12th, 2005."

seriously, if some lame indie rock critic can dig these jams, i feel bad for anyone who really thinks it's "painful". I make music way harsher than this, and it usually gets a pretty good reaction.

don't get me wrong, i love wolf eyes.. and what's so hard to "get" about it? it's a few dudes just doing what they like to do. they've been at it since '93.

― branden d. (american_grizzly), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 01:54 (twenty years ago)

I'm going to see Wolf Eyes on Wednesday. I've only listened to snippets, but they're playing at my school on wednesday for three bucks. The noisiest I can get is Super ae, so I'm bringing my ear plugs.

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 01:55 (twenty years ago)

super ae is merely a psychedelic pop record..

but i hope you have fun!

― branden d. (american_grizzly), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 01:57 (twenty years ago)

oh crap.

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 02:02 (twenty years ago)

The first track on Super Ae is way harsher than anything Wolf Eyes has done.

― Open your eyes; you can fly! (ex machina), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 02:18 (twenty years ago)

no way, the end of the first song is so JAMMY!

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 02:22 (twenty years ago)

Wolf Eyes likes to jam too.

― Open your eyes; you can fly! (ex machina), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 02:25 (twenty years ago)

Not really, jon. Listen to one Mugger. Also, there is a MUSICAL (not just stylistic) humor to that track which alleviates quite a bit of the "harshness." A nude/wink "see it's funny" kind of gesture.

but i still skip that track when I listen to the album sometimes, because it just isn't what I want to hear when I put on Super AE; I want to hear the rest of the album. xpost!

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 02:27 (twenty years ago)

"nude/wink"

duhhhh.

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 02:29 (twenty years ago)

Dude, have you heard Super Roots 5?

― Open your eyes; you can fly! (ex machina), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 02:37 (twenty years ago)

DUDE, NO.

But that's not the issue at hand! Save your boredoms fanboy insanity for when we are driving to wendy's, kthx.

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 02:37 (twenty years ago)

Wait, what are you saying? Wolf Eyes doesn't like jokey goofy jams?

Super Roots 5 sounds like this:

http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/gsfc/spacesci/pictures/blackhole/BH1m.jpg

― Open your eyes; you can fly! (ex machina), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 02:40 (twenty years ago)

I'm not saying they don't like jokes (cuz it's clear they do), but that from the MUSIC ALONE, one would not be able to tell that.

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 02:41 (twenty years ago)

whereas the tape speed manipulation on the first track of Super AE is clearly humorous.

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 02:43 (twenty years ago)

as is the bela fleck portion!

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 02:44 (twenty years ago)

I think I need to do a listener forum with ordinary college students and record video clips of them reacting to it

― Open your eyes; you can fly! (ex machina), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 02:45 (twenty years ago)

Hey, check out the sick black hole pics.

― Open your eyes; you can fly! (ex machina), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 02:45 (twenty years ago)

you need to give them acid first.

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 02:48 (twenty years ago)

the hamburger bun is now two days old.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 02:58 (twenty years ago)

I think I need to do a listener forum with ordinary college students and record video clips of them reacting to it

Does this mean that I'm, ahem, extraordinary?

(Just downloaded some Wolf Eyes.. "Stabbed in the Face" is great!)

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 03:05 (twenty years ago)

(Are you talking to moi????)

― Open your eyes; you can fly! (ex machina), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 03:06 (twenty years ago)

http://www.jackgregory.com/images/Miss%20Piggy.jpg

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― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 03:09 (twenty years ago)

i have all of those.

just saying...

― branden d. (american_grizzly), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 05:55 (twenty years ago)

what's so 'sophisticated' about the 'palate of sounds they work with'? and how are they 'po-mo'?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 14:57 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...

"Po-mo" meaning it's about retro style appropriation. Throbbing Gristle did it; Throbbing Gristle was cool; let's do it again; it will be cool.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 04:16 (twenty years ago)

Mind, I'm not saying Wolf Eyes is just a TG knockoff or anything. I just think they brought that po-mo element into the noizer genre.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 04:21 (twenty years ago)

hmmmm interesting... Tons of noise bands have used reference over the years. I love it.

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 04:23 (twenty years ago)

See, I don't think postmodernism is just about using a reference, though. I think it's about what you do after "the end of art." There can't be any sense of aesthetic progress in it. Merzbow, the Dead C, Harry Pussy -- all that stuff seems like modernist progress to me. I think it was taken as far as it could go. So now you look to the past...

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 04:32 (twenty years ago)

ps - yr mom's band:

http://www.emptysetband.com/

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 04:35 (twenty years ago)

Live, it's a rock and roll presentation of noise content; they are headbanging, grimacing, gurning, motor city madmen who look like Ted Nugent and sound like Incapacitants. The saxophone and cymbal playing live was especially rad.

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 04:35 (twenty years ago)

and the mosh pit, that was awesome

I am thirty-five years old

― milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 04:37 (twenty years ago)

Since the Spring of 2000, the Empty Set has been writing and recording rich, layered guitar-driven pop songs. The band has played many shows in and around their hometown of Portland, OR. In the vein of Built to Spill, Pinback, Wrens, Broken Social Scene the members of the Empty Set strive to create soaring, hook-filled songs on a large scale with varied instrumentation and careful songwriting.

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 04:38 (twenty years ago)

haha "careful"

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 04:39 (twenty years ago)

http://www.indiepop.com/vol007/webe.php

http://www.indiepop.com/vol007/images/josh.gifJosh Kirby
Josh Kirby is a record industry dropout (Caroline, Tim/Kerr) who lives in Portland, OR, and plays guitar and bass in the Empty Set. He likes NBA basketball, scotch on the rocks and indie rock.

There's also a reviews page where his writing appears along with reviews of his band.

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 04:40 (twenty years ago)

careful with that songwriting, now. Mind you don't trouble too many ears.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 04:40 (twenty years ago)

watch out, I hear distortion.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 04:40 (twenty years ago)

can't have our indie rock taking down any preconceived notions.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 04:41 (twenty years ago)

"I am in a dull indie band a frustrated by the success of those who don't possess the PASSION and TALENT that my band has."

XPOST

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 04:42 (twenty years ago)

varied instrumentation

guitar, bass.. AND drums!

― shine headlights on me (electricsound), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 04:47 (twenty years ago)

http://www.nintendomaine.com/retro/snes/kirby3/image2.jpg

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 04:52 (twenty years ago)

I think it's about what you do after "the end of art."

Harry Pussy
What Was Music CD
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The title may certainly be a question the two members of this Florida duo asked each other after their lo-fi recording sessions of off-the-cuff drums and electric guitar interaction; this duo is a rock-noise outfit that seems set on destroying the academy with such simple tools. Like Ascension and the Blue Humans, they adopt the explosive spirit of free jazz as exemplified by John Coltrane and Rashied Ali's Interstellar Space and apply it to post-punk experimental aesthetics, resulting in chaos designed to be insulting to music lovers. This collection is not as effective a protest as it might proclaim, as destroying rock music would surely not begin with exploring its base elements to the degree that this duo does. Regardless of subversive sentiments, the guitarist and drummer trip themselves up on a few occasions, as the energy in this recording is a tell-tale sign of how much they love it — music in its most primitive and simplistic form.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 04:56 (twenty years ago)

"all that stuff seems like modernist progress to me. I think it was taken as far as it could go. So now you look to the past..."

Er ... that last sentence sounds kind of gross. I don't mean to say that people should be all deliberate and pretentious about it!

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 05:15 (twenty years ago)

What's funny is that people will mock Metal Machine Music for being the crap it is but will praise Wolf Eyes for making good music. I'd like to meet these people to hear what their reasoning is.

― Cunga (Cunga), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 05:47 (twenty years ago)

wolf eyes have beatz

― latebloomer: But when the monkey die, people gonna cry. (latebloomer), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 05:48 (twenty years ago)

My last post is based soley from what I've heard of their last album, I don't want to be corrected that they made a brilliant power-pop album back in 1999.

― Cunga (Cunga), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 05:50 (twenty years ago)

really? are there any on burned mind? i don't remember any..

xpost

― shine headlights on me (electricsound), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 05:50 (twenty years ago)

Plenty of people like Metal Machine Music and don't think that it's crap.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 05:52 (twenty years ago)

Hi, let me make a sweeping judgment about something I have only heard in passing. Also, I am a corny indie fuck.

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 06:04 (twenty years ago)

hi!

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 06:08 (twenty years ago)

Hi, let me make a sweeping judgment about something I have only heard in passing. Also, I am a corny indie fuck.

I admitted that I was arguably making a hasty judgement, didn't I?

― Cunga (Cunga), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 07:02 (twenty years ago)

cunga indie fuck

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 07:06 (twenty years ago)

Everything I need to know about black people I learned from MTV cribs.

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 07:13 (twenty years ago)

I love noise rock and Google. I love anonymity and huffing gas. I am seventeen. I am A homunculus of Darby Crash and I am angry. K thx bye.

― yr mom (yr mom), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0518,dozen,63564,22.html

― xhuxk who got his wolf eyes CDs free, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

INDIEPOP

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

Hey: could someone YSI/Gmail some "good" Wolf Eyes or something? I'd like to know what all the fuss is about.

― giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

There are two types of Germs fan. Those that like the music and those that emulate the nihilistic/narcissistic lead singer.

― ad hominem about a homonculus of Darby Crash, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

paying yourself an extra $100 when you're on salary for a lame "column" that could be an extra graf or two for your freelancers, c or d?

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

LET THE BEEF COOK!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

"ALL I WANT TO DO IS DRINK BEER AND CAUSE DAMAGE"

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

What is Pat Smear up to these days?

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

actually chuck you wanna slide that $100 my way since now the voice feels cool with appropriating the stuff i write on my blog without permission or compensation?

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 20:46 (twenty years ago)

OH SNAP!

LETS GET READY TO RUUUUUUUMMMBBBLLLLE!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

i don't wanna rumble, i just wanna be asked first. it's not that difficult.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 21:11 (twenty years ago)

Hey: could someone YSI/Gmail some "good" Wolf Eyes or something? I'd like to know what all the fuss is about.

WWW.SUBPOP.COM ETC

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

Jesus. I JUST now realized he meant that the 2 types of people in the world are 1) People who like Wolf Eyes, and 2) Liars.

I had thought all along that there was a sort of inferred ellipses there, like he was saying "There are 2 types of people in the world, people who like Wolf Eyes and (the band) Liars, (AND...)"

I'm fuckin' dumb. Must be all that noise rock self-flagellation. Off to beat the shit out of myself with some Crom-Tech.

― On a Strict El Cholo Diet (Bent Over at the Arclight), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

I just re-read the original post of "yr mom" and it just seems, uh, uninformed. The point is *not* "noise-rock", the point is *noise*, and it's a scene that's been around for about two decades now (or longer if you wanna go back to Russolo's intuonarumori). It's basically just ignorance to assert that "nobody actually gets any pleasure out of listening to noise". I mean, fair enough if he doesn't get any pleasure out of it, but telling other people that they don't either is just asinine.

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 00:53 (twenty years ago)

Hey: could someone YSI/Gmail some "good" Wolf Eyes or something? I'd like to know what all the fuss is about.

I love this song: http://www.bulbrecords.com/sound/wolf1.mp3

― mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 00:59 (twenty years ago)

"all that stuff seems like modernist progress to me. I think it was taken as far as it could go. So now you look to the past..."
Er ... that last sentence sounds kind of gross. I don't mean to say that people should be all deliberate and pretentious about it!

-- Tim Ellison (timelliso...), May 3rd, 2005. (later)

What you are saying is that modernist progress is somehow aesthetically regressive? I'm usually very unsure when using these terms but to pick on other points: looking to the past is something that's inevitably done, and the deeper and more concious the supposed break the more you're looking back. I've no problem with 'retro' so much as its always done to a certain extent and its dishonest to pretend otherwise but how does merzbow, harry pussy and dead C are aesthetically regressive? all have their reference points (as wolf eyes must have), but with yr first 3 on that list are very diff and not to be lumped together - harry pussy are very no wave sounding (and very free improv of course!), dead C present themselves as post-punk (their record covers) with DIY-improv elements. merzbow is dada-esque in name but is it there in spirit, its hardly the end of art, which never arrives, and would you want it to? most of the music made by the dada-ists (check the lp on ubu web) sounds far more boring than varese who looked to the past as well.

'it's a rock and roll presentation of noise content'

what does that involve? I guess I'll catch wolf eyes when they play here next...but I've seen ascension play in a rock environment; they effectively present non-idiomatics just by playing there? but they are v noise sounding too...

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

"What you are saying is that modernist progress is somehow aesthetically regressive?"

Yeah, if you believe that modernism is over. There's a good book on it by Victor Burgin called The End of Art Theory: Criticism and Postmodernity. My feeling is that modernism was essentially about a move toward greater and greater abstraction and deconstruction and that ultimately you hit a limit. I think this was hit in modern art music, for example, in several ways - total serialism, chance music, "new complexity" ... even minimalism, really.

And I see post-punk art music moving in that same modernist direction toward greater and greater abstraction and deconstruction. Merzbow as a continuation of industrial electronics. Dead C were a big deconstruction move - a DIY group, yes, but they pushed it further by using equipment that was just total garbage and in their sludgy sloppiness. Harry Pussy were like a no wave group, but I see them as being more like Dead C than real po-mo neo-no-wave groups like the Michigan and Chicago groups (Couch, Duotron, Scissor Girls, Lake of Dracula, etc.). Wolf Eyes actually come from that Michigan scene and their industrial electronics thing seems like more po-mo revivalism to me.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

seventeen years pass...

"time garbage" is good

― ꙮ (map), Thursday, 13 October 2022 20:02 (three years ago)

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