― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)
― Michael Burble, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)
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― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)
― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:31 (twenty years ago)
― PB, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)
― darin (darin), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)
ZZ Top, "Legs"
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)
― PB, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)
"Wouldn't it Be Nice?" bursts after the initial music box guitar bit......
― PB, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)
"Charly" - The Prodigy"Play In The Sunshine" - Prince"Love Comes Quickly" - Pet Shop BoysThe final chorale of "The Creation""I'm A Believer" - The Monkees"Give It Up" - The Goodmen"Music Sounds Better With You" - Stardust"To Be Real" - um... what's her face"I Feel Love" - Donna Summer"Turn The Beat Around" - Vicki Sue Robinson"Walking On Sunshine" - Katrina & the Waves"The Lovecats" - The Cure"Somewhere Out There (pt 2)" - Orbital
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)
― The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)
― Jeff Reguilon (Talent Explosion), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)
This was my first thought.
― sleep (sleep), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)
This should also double as a Music That Should Be Fucking Burned For Eternity thread
― -rainbow bum- (-rainbow bum-), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)
Other picks:
Otis Redding, "Love Man"Al Green, "Tired of Being Alone"New Order, "Perfect Kiss"
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)
― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)
Anyway, here are some thoughts:Dave Clark Five - Catch us if you Can, Bits & Piecessome Four Seasons songs The Turtles - She'd Rather Be With Me, You Baby
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)
― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)
x-post
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)
― darin (darin), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)
― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)
― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)
― Not Thaat Chuck, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)
A funny in-joke among my brother and sister and I involves one of us randomly bursting into the "ba-ba-ba--ba-ba" backing vocals as a taunt when one is doing well in Mario Kart. That song counts.
― Cunga (Cunga), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)
I don't get joy from this song. On the contrary it's quite sad. It's not "Requited Love Comes Quickly", and to me sounds more like the song of someone who has tried to convince themselves love is not possible only to find themselves hopelessly in love again, the music backs this up for me.
― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)
Earth, Wind & Fire, Sing A Song
Modern Lovers, Roadrunner
Rogers & Hammerstein, OklahomaRogers & Hammerstein, Shall We Dance
Sex Pistols, Anarchy In The U.K.
Ramones, Sheena Is A Punk RockerBR-549, Little Ramona (Gone Hillbilly Nuts)
Puffy, Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi Show Theme
― Vornado, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)
Doing The UnstuckJust Like HeavenLovesong
― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)
― Masked Gazza, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)
― donut ferry (donut), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)
― Masked Gazza, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)
ok i'll stop now.
― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)
― wayward son, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)
― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)
Well, I wasn't, anyway, when I started this thread. And I think a lot of the suggestions people have made are wack.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)
NOT MELODIC ENOUGH-- Masked Gazza (m...), July 19th, 2005.
Thanks for oversimplifying my argument.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)
I think the Jackson 5 songs mentioned come close. A lot of the suggestions here are songs that maybe approximate the energy and joy and release of something like "Please Please Me," but I don't know as that they equal it. The MC5 songs Walter mentioned, the Raspberries. Songs like "I'm a Believer" and "Hanky Panky" aren't close at all.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)
oops, xxpost
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)
How about "Hello There"?
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)
x-posts to Walter's post above
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)
― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)
http://cover6.cduniverse.com/msiart/0000340/0000340703_170.jpg
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)
― Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)
― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)
― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)
R.E.M. -- "Stand," "Get Up," "Shiny Happy People," "Me In Honey!"
― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)
― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)
otmotmotm
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)
― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)
― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)
-- walter kranz (kranz_walte...), July 19th, 2005. (walterkranz)
Good call! I love Cheap Trick they make me happy!
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)
Alternate answer: try Haydn's "Fireworks" symphony
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)
I always thought it was "I want some, want some", but this is a lot better!
― kickitcricket (kickitcricket), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)
Is this why so few people recognize that Kevin Barnes of Of Montreal is the best songwriter in rock today? Too "innocent?"
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)
― Keith C (kcraw916), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)
― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)
and as I say, that "innocent" quality is a function of history colliding with the art: "Please Please Me" sure as fuck didn't sound innocent to Beatles fans at the time, nor to their parents
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)
― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)
ILM: Well there is [insert blank there.]
Tim: NO YOU ARE WRONG!
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)
I kind of don't see any point to this thread other than getting people to list a whole bunch of songs that you can be a dick about, Tim.
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:29 (twenty years ago)
x-post - Your analysis is lacking.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)
― tricky (disco stu), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)
OTM. There's as much joy, and purity, in "Anarchy In The UK" -- there are few more enjoyable things in life than getting to scream "I am the Antichrist!!!" over a good beat!
― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)
and Shake Some Action is another selection along with the Left Banke's She May Call You Up Tonight that I like.
― Cunga (Cunga), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)
thread-related question: why do so many Of Montreal fans get really confrontational about how much they dig Kevin Barnes's songwriting?
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)
Do you not see how loaded this question is, how unfriendly to dialogue? So few people "recognize." No, dude: so few people agree with your position. Also, the scarequotes around "innocent" seem to attribute some fault to the listener who doesn't hear that Kevin Barnes is empirically THE BEST SONGWRITER IN ROCK TODAY.
This doesn't seem confrontational to you?
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)
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"Tutti Frutti" and "Jumping Jack Flash" certainly burst, but I think it's a different kind of bursting. I mean, Negative Approach is bursting, too. -- Tim Ellison (timelliso...), July 19th, 2005.
you're like Geir with extra b.s. sometimes, Tim.ZZ Top, "Legs"
-- miccio (anthonyisrigh...), July 19th, 2005.
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)
― Keith C (kcraw916), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:46 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:47 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)
Oh, and the Lovin' Spoonful's 'Do You Believe In Magic?' is so bursting with joy it hurtz.
― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)
― Masked Gazza, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)
If you're going to play McLaughlin Group on a thread, expect to get mocked.
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)
I think you might be in the 'Tom Baker as the Sea Captain in Blackadder' situation re Of Montreal- there are two schools of thought on the matter... I found that album dry and academic, the musical equivalent of unsellable literary fiction. But whatever floats yer boat. (do you see?)
― snotty moore, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)
Other threads: has there ever been anyone as qualitatively excellent as Jesus Christ? Are the Yankees objecvtively the best team ever?
finally in re: Barnes, yeah I know, there's a small but vocal group of people who hear Godhead when they listen to Of Montreal, but I think it's that they punch very specific Beatles-related pleasure centers (though not enough to appeal to mainstream Beatles fans much) - those of us who don't really enjoy listening to the Beatles get turned off of Of Montreal pretty quick
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)
― LeCoq (LeCoq), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)
xpost
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)
OTM...Geir's definitely consistent within his own little weird musical worldview.
Also, defining "bursting with joy" and then expecting it to be some kind of easily quantifiable thing is the prob. with this thread....like "Scenario" by Tribe Called Quest is pretty joyful to me, but it might not be to you....
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:04 (twenty years ago)
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)
But these songs particularly seem to have a kind of energy and joy that seems to me to be at the heart of Beatlemania. Alba mentioned some other songs that embody it, too, though maybe to a lesser degree.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)
"Boys" - Mary Jane Girls"It's Raining Men" - The Weathergirls
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)
Uh, I never outlined a single rule or criterion.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)
No. First of all it's men, not boys and they are raining down rather than bursting. Are you being purposely difficult?
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)
The Beatles, "Boys"anything by the Pet Shop BoysFranz Ferdinand, "Michael"
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)
xpost not for the boys thing, well not specifically.
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)
No no, you misunderstood me. I was talking about the hardcore punk group Negative Approach. I think "Tutti Frutti" kicks ass. I certainly don't think it's "negative!" But I do think there's a sort of joy to those two Beatles songs that DOES have something to do with melody and harmony.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)
Oh! Right! Then that's settled then!
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)
Also:
> This should also double as a Music That Should Be Fucking Burned For Eternity thread.
What. the. fuck.
― Rob Uptight (Rob Uptight), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)
― Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:33 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)
http://uplink.space.com/attachments/181971-screw_ball.jpg
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)
― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)
― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)
Happy Hardcore for gods sakes.
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)
-- Sterling Clover (s.clove...), July 19th, 2005.
What's settled? That some people wanted to paint me as an espouser of Hongroian doctrine because I dared to ask whether the Beatles might have actually written some of the most joyously bursting music?
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:46 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:51 (twenty years ago)
― Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:51 (twenty years ago)
― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)
I never fucking said that the Beatles were more intense than Little Richard EVERY WHICH WAY, for chrissake.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:53 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:53 (twenty years ago)
this shall become my universally understood empirically bursting with joy mantra from now on
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)
I'm not referring to Please Please Me's lyrics; I'm talking about the longing in Lennon's voice and the harmonica's slightly mournful timber, neither of which strikes me as exclusively joyful.
I think the harmonica line is actually kind of cloying which reinforces the light "joyful" quality that I think Tim was trying to identify. "I Saw Her Standing There" is by contrast much more bluesy and full of heartache both in terms of the melody and the vocal delivery.
I don't think the details of lyrics are as important as the overall feeling. Basically the early Beatles tunes are all silly love songs with maybe some minor details in the particulars of each romantic situation. Anarchy in the UK on the other hand is explicitly on first listening full of anger and aggression (and yes, joy of a different, less googly-eyed sort).
I'm drawing a blank on "It Won't Be Long." Can you hum a few bars?
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)
Bursted even.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)
Ha ha, RS, I was thinking of some of the salsa mp3s you posted last week but I figured it wouldn't be worth going there.
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:58 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:58 (twenty years ago)
― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:59 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:01 (twenty years ago)
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:01 (twenty years ago)
― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:03 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:03 (twenty years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:04 (twenty years ago)
From Publishers WeeklyIf you spliced Gualtiero Jacopetti's shockumentary Mondo films with the surreal clippings from the "Cruiskeen Lawn" newspaper column of Myles na Gopaleen (aka Flann O'Brien), the comic result might be this "serial novel" of short stories, shaggy dog tales and spoofs from the fictitious pen of McCabe's authorial desperado, Phildy Hackball, set in his crazy village of Barntrosna. Even stranger and campier than McCabe's recent Booker-shortlisted Breakfast on Pluto, these 10 intertwined stories mix loony subject matter culled from trashy paperbacks with Hibernian stereotypes and cliches. Like an Irish bull in a china shop, McCabe hilariously charges through yarns about genetically engineered winged donkeys ("The Valley of the Flying Jennets"), yokel farmers picked up in discotheques ("The Boils of Thomas Gully") and a pious schoolboy blown up not with a bomb but a tire pump ("The Bursted Priest"). The maniac citizens of Barntrosna somehow believe their wives are secret go-go dancers ("Hot Nights at the Go-Go Lounge"); the local Chinese takeaway is Bruce Lee's secret hangout ("My Friend Bruce Lee"); and the bishop's clerical protege was really Lucifer stirring up the swinging '60s ("I Ordained the Devil"). In a satire on McCabe's own career ("The Big Prize"), Barntrosna's unlikeliest novelist takes the mickey out of contemporary Irish writers and the award-lavishing British literary establishment. Only in the last, lengthy story, "The Forbidden Love of Noreen Tiernan," does this pulp fiction gag almost run aground, when Barntrosna's nicest student nurse goes to London, where she discovers lesbian love and drug racketeering before she is safely returned to the picturesque, demented town of McCabe's berserk imagination.
― the flying jennet, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:08 (twenty years ago)
― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:10 (twenty years ago)
― wesley willis fan #3217, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:16 (twenty years ago)
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:17 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)
1. "Getting Better"2. "I Feel Fine"3. "All My Loving"4. "Hello Goodbye"5. "I Want to Hold Your Hand"6. "Please Please Me"7. "Penny Lane"8. "Hey Jude"9. "Revolution" (single version)10. "A Day in the Life"11. "Good Morning Good Morning"12. "Strawberry Fields Forever"13. "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"14. Abbey Road Side Two medley15. "Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite"16. "This Boy"17. "Let It Be"18. "All You Need Is Love"19. "Eleanor Rigby"20. "She Loves You"21. "Sexy Sadie"22. "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away"23. "Martha My Dear"24. "Lady Madonna"25. "Ask Me Why"26. "Norwegian Wood"27. "Help!"28. "Yes It Is"29. "A Hard Day's Night"30. "Ticket to Ride"31. "The Ballad of John and Yoko"32. "No Reply"33. "There's a Place"34. "When I'm 64"35. "She's Leaving Home"36. "Within You Without You"37. "I Am the Walrus"38. "It Won't Be Long"39. "Nowhere Man"40. "For no One"
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:07 (twenty years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:25 (twenty years ago)
Case closed.
Also see James Reese Europe's "Down Home Rag" and the first movement of Bach's second Brandenburg Concerto. And I say this as ILx's biggest Beatles fan. No, seriously. Bigger than Ellison, bigger than Geir, bigger than N-E-1. Fuck you. FUCK YOU. GET IN THE RING.
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:29 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:35 (twenty years ago)
Get thee behind me, Satan!
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:36 (twenty years ago)
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:38 (twenty years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:40 (twenty years ago)
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)
that's about it
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:44 (twenty years ago)
― donut ferry (donut), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:56 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:57 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)
I like one of walter kranz's first posts because he's trying to determine the musical qualities generally associated with "bursting with joy," albeit within a very specific musical context (beat combo pop). There should be more of that in this thread.
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:00 (twenty years ago)
Er...ugh...xpost.
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:01 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:02 (twenty years ago)
maybe you should ask the musicology masters dude about that! oh wait, he started this clusterfuck of a craptastic thread.
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:04 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:04 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:04 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:05 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:08 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:08 (twenty years ago)
(xpost)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:09 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:10 (twenty years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:12 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:15 (twenty years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:21 (twenty years ago)
In fact, "Dreaming" might just be the answer to every thread.
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:21 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:23 (twenty years ago)
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:23 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:28 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:29 (twenty years ago)
No. It's a great song, but it just doesn't have the blipvert quality that "Dreaming" has with power punk, girl groups, British invasion, and the best parts of practically the entire Western history of music crammed into 3 minutes & 8 seconds.
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:39 (twenty years ago)
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:40 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:41 (twenty years ago)
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:57 (twenty years ago)
― daavid (daavid), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:10 (twenty years ago)
― daavid (daavid), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:11 (twenty years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:15 (twenty years ago)
Now I can sound like the Beatles but I don't usually care if I sound like the Beatles, although I still care if I sound like the guitars on Humble Pie's "Rockin' the Fillmore."
And I could start talking about the first Cream albums, but not the first Hendrix albums -- which I liked but didn't make me want to sound like that for some reason.
And, the drum sound, man -- we were alway looking for someone who could make the drums sound like Ringo and George Martin did.
Now maybe we should get into a discussion of the chordal and harmonic differences between Beatles rock and roll and Yank rock and roll, which are considerable, but not song structurally so.
― George Smith, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:21 (twenty years ago)
They were reissued on CD last year (mono & stereo) or is vinyl the only real thing?
Yes, yes, talk about the chordal and harmonic differences!
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:27 (twenty years ago)
― George Smith, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:30 (twenty years ago)
Now I'm going to get a little technical but keep bringing it back to the non-technical for the discussion. We didn't know any of this back when the Beatles records were being released, and it might not have made any difference even if we did.
Vox amplifiers, those used by the Beatles, produced distortion based on a Class A power output circuit, rich in EVEN harmonics. Almost all the amplifiers kids like me could get in the US, were based electrically on what was called a Class A/B output circuit, which produced rock and roll distortion rich in ODD harmonics. That's the characteristic of Fender amps, which were the first amps of rock and roll in America, and later, Marshall amps, which sound different than Vox, too, and which invented a completely different form of power rock.
They all sound very good to the ear. But the subtle but powerful Beatle rhythm guitar sound, was very woody and warm, either darkly clean or just on the verge of breaking up, and it was unique to them, in part, because of the hardware at their disposal and the excellence with which they employed it.
Today, it's easy to root down and find the technical specs of this and duplicate it in cheap analog circuitry, and cheap software emulation. But it was by no means easy or clear to people at the time. We knew it sounded great and you tried to do it, and you came up short, but that, in turn, inspired a build on an American style of rock and roll.
So there were a lot of bands that played everywhere that were influenced by the Beatles very powerfully, that tried to emulate them, but which didn't sound like them at all. Talent aside, which is another variable. This is part of the equation.
And even now this discussion probably could stand a few more chapters, merely on the technical side, to do it justice. And I'll try to get to the chordal structures, at some point. It may take a little mnore thought.
― George Smith, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:45 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:47 (twenty years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:49 (twenty years ago)
― Jill, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:52 (twenty years ago)
Which must've been part Eric Clapton as he wrote it in his garden and the song sounds suspiciously like Badge by Cream (which he played rhythm on too).
Anyone know the deal with who deserves the credit for that song(s)?
― Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:55 (twenty years ago)
And the chorus, as I said earlier, is just this one line PEAK. So, yeah, it has something to do with melody - that note they hit in harmony on "Please PLEASE me, whoa yeah."
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:56 (twenty years ago)
Well, only the first four. The mono mixes are the ones to listen to on these but the stereo mixes are by no means bad. "Hold Me Tight," for example, on "Meet the Beatles" -- the drumming pummels in the middle section much more powerfully than in the stereo mix. Probably because of phase cancellation affecting the stereo mix and the way you hear it.
I bought "Beatles VI" and "Yesterday and Today," (known as the butcher album cover, although hardly anyone had it) and you don't get them with the revision. People have basically no idea what they sounded like the kids who bought them. "Dizzy Miss Lizzie" is now restored to part of "Help," but it was originally on "Beatles VI" and was one of my favorite tunes. Check that rhythm guitar and gouging fill work!
You also miss out on the George Martin/Broccoli James Bond-type theme music orchestral instros that filled out the American versions of "Hard Days Night" and "Help." And these were not things that ripped the listener off or diluted the rock. They were entirely consistent with the themes of the movies, what the fans saw and heard. They embellished the rock and roll in a cheesy as well as classy way. I thought the stuff was great. It disappeared in the great revision.
You can still find it. There's a Russian label, I'm not sure if it's legal, that publishes the Beatles titles in both forms, combined. They're real deals.
― George Smith, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:57 (twenty years ago)
George, I have to disagree. I think most people who use the term "harmonic" structure are referring to the chord changes or the vocal harmonies of the song rather than harmonic distortion. And I believe that the same performance of Please Please Me using tweed Fender amps or even recorded digitally would still have the same qualities that Tim describes as being joyful.
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:57 (twenty years ago)
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:58 (twenty years ago)
― Arthur (Arthur), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:01 (twenty years ago)
Yeah, I can't think of anything more joyful than a song dedicating your tears to someone who was gunned down in the street for running with the wrong crowd.
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:11 (twenty years ago)
If you have a recording of a band, say mixed to one mono track. Make a copy of that, and pair it with the original. Pan one hard left and one hard right. You still have a mono mix. Now, if you bump one to lag behind the other by a few milliseconds, you get a pseudo-stereo mix and a good illustration of phase cancellation, as well as phase multiplication.
Harmonic peaks that lined up in the original mix, were congruent, will no longer align. Some will be opposed by harmonic valleys or dips in the spectrum, causing phase cancellation. In other instances, you will get reinforcement. It's a very powerful and effective tool in music mixing but it always produces changes on the way you hear and perceive things.
And this obviously and subtly happened with revisions in the Beatles catalog. Most people hear it. They suss that it's different, maybe not as good as they remembered. If you didn't hear the original, it may sound perfectly excellent to you.
I haven't read books on the Beatles but I would suspect that the primary albums were mixed to mono version because of the formats they were going to be played on. Cheap transistor radios with one three-inch speaker with virtually no bass response, the old cardboard box-sized 45 players with a coarse steele needle that was essentially held in a mini screw-loaded vise, and fairly new and shitty stereos.
― George Smith, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:12 (twenty years ago)
Of course they're not the only point of significance but the changes are pretty inseparable from the melody and the length of the verse and chorus sections (I think what you're referring to as compositional structure).
The verse in Please Please Me is pretty much nothing. It's a more rhythmically square echo of the lame opening harmonica line. After the first line of the verse there's a little ascending 3 chord rhythm guitar bit that's kind of cool. Then after the second line there's the PAUSE... dum dum, dum dum dum, COME ON... This is where the song kicks into gear with those ascending call and response harmonies that get farther away from the root only to return quickly home with the release of "Please please me oh yeah, like I please you." If the lyrics are important at all here it's the repetition of the word please that is the hook.
You're right in pointing out that the short resolution of the chorus is a significant feature. Compare to I Saw Her Standing There which climbs up with "I'll never dance with another" and then climbs back down equally slowly with the line "I saw her standing there." The exciting part of that song is the ending of the bridge with "and I held her hand in miiieeeeeene."
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:12 (twenty years ago)
And now I'm Flying High - Just like those Thunderbird menFlying High. Now that we're together again
When you are not in my arms, I'm a long, long way from heaven.But when you say that you love me, very soon I'm doing Mach 7
Flying High Yeah! It's so wonderful to be aliveFlying High Just As high as Thunderbird 5.Flying High, Flying High
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:14 (twenty years ago)
you're like Geir with extra b.s. sometimes, Tim.
i mean, shit, why not just compare him to hitler? around here, a comparison to geir is basically the same thing, the ILM version of Godwin's Law. it's a shitty thing to do, and anyone who does it knows EXACTLY what they're doing.
but then again ever since ILM's been half-taken over by the trife-harvell-etc. axis, half the time it seems like this place is really "I Love Music (But Hip-Hop Better Be Your Favorite Music, Or I'm Going to Call You a Racist)"...
ps. "Walkin' On Sunshine" is as good an answer as any.
― enrico caruso, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:14 (twenty years ago)
Yeah because that's the first thing I got from the song when I heard it.
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:17 (twenty years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:17 (twenty years ago)
― David Oz, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:18 (twenty years ago)
Since the Capitol box set was called "Volume 1" I assume there's going to be (at the very least) a "Volume 2."
I think A Hard Day's Night wasn't part of the box because (unlike Help!) the original US configuration was released by United Artists, not Capitol.
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:18 (twenty years ago)
You may be right. But I've tightly defined what I mean. And the differences are subtle but powerful and additive. There's as much to be said for attention to the technical details as well as the broad strokes.
And I agree, "Please Please Me," well-played, would still sound joyful on Fender amps. But it wouldn't sound quite the same. The Beatles guitar sound did change and vary. The stuff that came off the roof for "Let it Be" was more obviously from Fenders. You can see them and it sounds like it. And the Vox stuff sounds good, but different, too, for many reasons.
It is true that the guitar sound of the player lies in his hands. Hardware doesn't erase that but it can change it and superimpose a tone that is specific to the hardware. Psychoacoustically, people can't always express what the difference is, but they will know it's there, they know it when they hear it. It's not good or bad, it's just the way of things.
― George Smith, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:21 (twenty years ago)
Yeah, that's exactly right. I'm suspecting my Russian edition is somewhat illegal because it delivers both the Parlophone edition and the United Artists version.
― George Smith, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:24 (twenty years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:25 (twenty years ago)
Semi-nine and snipered himOn that wall they postered himThey cornered himAnd then just murdered himHe siad he didn't know themHe wasn't thereThey didn't know himeThey should him a picture then"Ain't that you with the Muslims?"
BREEZY HAPPY GOOD TIME
― The Ghost of She's Hot Ergo Her Songs Are Happy! (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:26 (twenty years ago)
I don't know. I'm sure you're right. My standard line is that the first four Capital masters remasters to mono, were all more punchy and in-line with the originals. And that the "Hard Days Night" CD -- the Russian semi-legal weird edition, is also mono and with more impact than the stuff bought at Tower and BestBuy, but in line with my old vinyl.
― George Smith, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:32 (twenty years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:37 (twenty years ago)
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:39 (twenty years ago)
a lot of cheesy ska punk.
Loads of early rave actually.
-- Tom (freakytrigge...), July 19th, 2005.
OTM!
― latebloomer: lazy r people (latebloomer), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:45 (twenty years ago)
― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:46 (twenty years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 03:00 (twenty years ago)
I just remembered "Ride!" by Dee Dee Sharp. "Git it git it git it git it git it git it git it git it!"
― Arthur (Arthur), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 03:10 (twenty years ago)
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 03:16 (twenty years ago)
― jake b. (cerybut), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 03:21 (twenty years ago)
Unless...
― donut ferry (donut), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 03:40 (twenty years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 04:22 (twenty years ago)
― VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 04:41 (twenty years ago)
― theophilus jones (theophilus), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)
See, anyone who hates on Geir is just being short-sighted. Or Hitler-esque.
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:23 (twenty years ago)
"Wonderful World" owneth: But I do know one and one is two, and if this one, could be with you....
― The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:24 (twenty years ago)
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)
― the blissfox, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:32 (twenty years ago)
― peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:32 (twenty years ago)
― peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:33 (twenty years ago)
― bob snoom, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:59 (twenty years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)
― bob snoom, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)
― k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)
― the bellefox, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:36 (twenty years ago)
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)
Yes. "And Your Bird Can Sing" - The Beatles.
― PB, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)
wtf? i can't tell whether you're (a) trying to be funny (b) purposely misrepresenting my point or (c) just didn't read my post properly.
― enrico caruso, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)
"No Xmas for J.Quays"
― Mark G, Friday, 15 February 2008 10:20 (eighteen years ago)
Love Shack.
― Scik Mouthy, Friday, 15 February 2008 10:42 (eighteen years ago)
The New Pornographers, Sing Me Spanish Techno.
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 15 February 2008 12:16 (eighteen years ago)
SECONDED!
― Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 15 February 2008 12:17 (eighteen years ago)
"When your dream of perfect beauty comes true" by Bill Nelson.
― Rob M v2, Friday, 15 February 2008 12:42 (eighteen years ago)
Can't remember if I ever answered this one, but I'm too lazy to go back and look, so...
"The You & Me Song" by the Wannadies "Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah" by The Wedding Present
and, of course...
"We Have Joy" by Killing Joke
― Alex in NYC, Friday, 15 February 2008 13:42 (eighteen years ago)
Cheryl Lynn's "To Be Real" mentioned years upthread. A couple of other big hits from that epoch that give me the same giddy, bursting-with-joy helium buzz:
Emotions - Best of My Love Natalie Cole - This Will Be (An Everlasting Love)
― briania, Friday, 15 February 2008 13:57 (eighteen years ago)
Hey Ya!
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 15 February 2008 14:20 (eighteen years ago)
Lots of ska/rock steady/early reggae - Desmond Dekker, for example.
― chap, Friday, 15 February 2008 15:23 (eighteen years ago)
'Your Name Is Wild' - Guided By Voices (actually several - 'Echoes Myron' 'Game of Pricks' 'I Am A Scientist' etc)
'Regret' - New Order
― BlackIronPrison, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:01 (eighteen years ago)
"Last night, I had a dream about you..."
― Bodrick III, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:06 (eighteen years ago)
http://pop.youtube.com/watch?v=vfOJ3HSOsMw&feature=related
― Bodrick III, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:15 (eighteen years ago)
Long Dark Road – The Hollies I Get So Excited – Ian Hunter I Wish I Was Your Mother – Mott the Hoople / Ian Roll Away The Stone – Mott the Hoople James – Laid Journey – Any Way You Want It Cracklin' Rosie – Neil Diamond Bat Macumba – Os Mutantes Common People – Pulp It's The End of the World As We Know it – REM Ballroom Blitz – Sweet (/and lots of others by Sweet, too)
― remy bean, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:29 (eighteen years ago)
I'm not sure I understood Tim's purpose in starting this thread. Was he sincerely looking for examples or just looking to immediately dismiss people's answers? Disagreements which are inevitable when talking about something completely subjective like one's own personal joy-detector?
Anyways, I've heard a lot of music; but there's such an infinite range of human emotion that it's not inconceivable that NO songs capture that joy-burst in the exact way that Tim detects (as I imagine he does.) Given a couple of hours, I could name dozens. "Da Doo Ron Ron" and "Dance To The Music" are the first to come to mind.
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:51 (eighteen years ago)
Black Sabbath-Falling off the Edge of the World
― Bill Magill, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:56 (eighteen years ago)
Common People is too angry to really burst with joy in the way I Wanna Hold Your Hand does.
Daft Punk - One More Time, on the other hand...
― Matt DC, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:59 (eighteen years ago)
Don't Stop - Fleetwood Mac Letter From An Occupant - New Pornographers Everything You've Done Wrong - Sloan September Gurls - Big Star Head Over Heels - Tears For Fears You're Quiet - Brenden Benson Senses Working Overtime - XTC Heartbeat - Tahiti 80 If I Should Fall From Grace From God - Pogues The Ocean In-Between - Matthew Sweet Ray of Light - Madonna Head Over Heels/Our Lips Are Sealed/We Got The Beat - Go Go's Sun Hits The Sky/Cheapskate - Supergrass Human Torch - Fastball Let's Get Ready to Crumble - Russian Futurists Lover's Rights - Rosebuds Throwaway Style - Exploding Hearts Hold Back The Rain - Duran Duran Where The Streets Have No Name - Pet Shop Boys Just What I Needed - Cars Red Dragon Tatoo/Survival Car - Fountains of Wayne
― Christopher Davis, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:47 (eighteen years ago)
Was he sincerely looking for examples or just looking to immediately dismiss people's answers?
― Colonel Poo, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:59 (eighteen years ago)
Black Flag-Room 13
― Bill Magill, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:08 (eighteen years ago)
I'm a huge fan myself, and could probably have named a half-dozen Beatles tracks more "bursting with joy" (to me) than the ones he mentioned. Would he have argued against those too?
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:14 (eighteen years ago)
The more I read these answers, the more I think the answer is "no." Those early Beatles records had some unbridled energy that's hard to deny.
― Jazzbo, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:18 (eighteen years ago)
"It Won't Be Long" is pretty beatific, I think what Tim means resides mainly in the vocalizing? I dunno, he's right--but a lot of disco does this in some reversal-world way, and a lot of Al Green does it too. Cory Daye on Dr. Buzzard's Original Savannah Band sounds as plump and beautiful and happy as she seems to have been back then, bursting
― whisperineddhurt, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:29 (eighteen years ago)
stevie wonder
― Jordan, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:31 (eighteen years ago)
"Fascination" by Alphabeat.
― daavid, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:34 (eighteen years ago)
Beethoven's 9th, duh
― sexyDancer, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:37 (eighteen years ago)
Yeah, Sir Duke alone is like some kinda aural SSRI drug.
― dell, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:37 (eighteen years ago)
Stevie Wonder for the win.
― ablaeser, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:47 (eighteen years ago)
yup, i should just remember to play that tune and 'uptight' on a loop for the month of january.
― Jordan, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:48 (eighteen years ago)
The Cure's "Hey You!!!" comes to mind.
― Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 15 February 2008 23:04 (eighteen years ago)
Yeah, Uptight was one of the others that came immediately to mind.
― dell, Friday, 15 February 2008 23:05 (eighteen years ago)
The Who's Pictures of Lily!
― fukasaku tollbooth, Friday, 15 February 2008 23:06 (eighteen years ago)
"Linus and Lucy" - Vince Gauraldi: url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=vs-nXoVpNlY
"Blue Rondo a la Turk" - Dave Brubeck: http://youtube.com/watch?v=kc34Uj8wlmE
"New Frontier" - Donald Fagen: url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=IRrCZCN8Kj0
"Every 1's A Winner" - Hot Chocolate: url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=J-GkwIRbLw8
― Eazy, Friday, 15 February 2008 23:58 (eighteen years ago)
I don't believe it's been mentioned yet - but damn - Kinks songs brim with good feeling - who can't settle back in the easy chair and smile to 'Waterloo Sunset' 'Picture Book' 'Susanah's still alive' etc.
― BlackIronPrison, Saturday, 16 February 2008 05:07 (eighteen years ago)
The Buzzcocks!
― Nate Carson, Saturday, 16 February 2008 20:24 (eighteen years ago)
I don't really think of those songs as "bursting with joy" so much as "coming apart at the seems with cheerfulness"
― Hurting 2, Saturday, 16 February 2008 20:26 (eighteen years ago)
the beatles ones I mean
whatever happened to tim e?
― gershy, Saturday, 16 February 2008 20:29 (eighteen years ago)
where does the tim e go?
― Hurting 2, Saturday, 16 February 2008 20:32 (eighteen years ago)
who knows
― gershy, Saturday, 16 February 2008 20:34 (eighteen years ago)
he bursted
― scott seward, Saturday, 16 February 2008 20:57 (eighteen years ago)
I was gonna post FreshenUpGum.jpg, but all those nostalgia junkie websites got their servers sewn up.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Sunday, 17 February 2008 04:57 (eighteen years ago)
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0007SMERC.01.MZZZZZZZ.jpg http://www.soulstrut.com/images/reviews/crates/motown/Apollo-100---Joy.gif
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Sunday, 17 February 2008 04:59 (eighteen years ago)
I'm kinda shocked James Brown never came up in this thread before this post!
― Mackro Mackro, Sunday, 17 February 2008 05:12 (eighteen years ago)
Yeah, I'll be doggone. Oh wait.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Sunday, 17 February 2008 05:16 (eighteen years ago)
The more I read these answers, the more I think the answer is "no."
i used to think the answer was "no" until i heard green's first album.
― Lawrence the Looter, Sunday, 17 February 2008 08:30 (eighteen years ago)
The Mice - Second Best The Everly Brothers - Wake up little Suzie Bonnie Lou - Dancing In My Socks etc.
― CaptainLorax, Monday, 18 February 2008 19:57 (eighteen years ago)
Phish - Bouncing around the room etc. Widespread Panic - The Waker etc. Grateful Dead - St Stephen etc.
― CaptainLorax, Monday, 18 February 2008 20:08 (eighteen years ago)
Yeah, those guys don't get enough credit.
― dell, Monday, 18 February 2008 20:13 (eighteen years ago)
bursting with joy is a difficult emotion to approximate... after looking at my choices I'm sure I could find more upbeat - burstingly happy songs
― CaptainLorax, Monday, 18 February 2008 20:15 (eighteen years ago)
chicago - saturday in the park
― CaptainLorax, Monday, 18 February 2008 22:59 (eighteen years ago)
Do the hustle!
― Eazy, Monday, 18 February 2008 23:03 (eighteen years ago)
the free design done bursted all over me!
http://mikedaisey.com/images/free_design.jpg
― scott seward, Monday, 18 February 2008 23:33 (eighteen years ago)
then they got all sad.
white stripes - fell in love with a girl?
― filthy dylan, Monday, 18 February 2008 23:42 (eighteen years ago)
i'm sure it's already been said, but "signed, sealed, delivered" is probably the most joyful song ever recorded, IMHO.
― Emily Bjurnhjam, Tuesday, 19 February 2008 02:27 (eighteen years ago)
This was one of the funniest threads I've ever read.
― Sundar, Tuesday, 19 February 2008 02:48 (eighteen years ago)
ElectroSoul in the same vein as Jamie Liddell, Hot Chip, etc.
― deej, Tuesday, 19 February 2008 02:57 (eighteen years ago)
Junior Senior - "Move Your Feet" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKcDa0Kp2K8
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 19 February 2008 03:39 (eighteen years ago)
Swans - "Beautiful Child" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EayNRh_PkBc
― stephen, Tuesday, 19 February 2008 03:50 (eighteen years ago)
-- daavid, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:34
damn right, and the frankmusik remix is that to the power of 10 - fucking *devastating*
http://www.iheartcomix.com/blog/franki/alphabeats-vs-frankmusik-fascination-club-edit
― Bill A, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 23:40 (eighteen years ago)
The Heliocentric World of the Nephews.
― ian, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 23:47 (eighteen years ago)
Might as well throw "Fascination" by the Human League in there, too.
― Eazy, Thursday, 21 February 2008 07:30 (eighteen years ago)
Someone mentioned 'exploding hearts' already - I'll definitely echo that you can't but feel 'bursting with joy' there - also - Jason Falkner's early solo work has quite a few that would qualify.
― BlackIronPrison, Thursday, 21 February 2008 22:22 (eighteen years ago)
-- Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:43 (2 years ago) Link
― rockapads, Friday, 22 February 2008 01:05 (eighteen years ago)
How about Andrew W.K.'s entire catalogue?
― makeitpop, Thursday, 24 April 2008 16:13 (seventeen years ago)
"it takes two" rob base & dj ez rock
― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 24 April 2008 16:19 (seventeen years ago)
How about almost every song on Albert Ayler's New Grass. Pure ecstatic joy.
(I didn't read any of this thread, by the way.)
― RabiesAngentleman, Thursday, 24 April 2008 16:27 (seventeen years ago)
Scooter
― gnarly sceptre, Thursday, 24 April 2008 17:22 (seventeen years ago)
I'll echo the dudes who mentioned the Everly Brothers. In fact, it seems as if the bursting-with-joy sound of early British Invasion is due in large part to "Wake Up Little Susie" and "Bye Bye Love."
― QuantumNoise, Thursday, 24 April 2008 17:27 (seventeen years ago)
"Sleigh Ride" by the Ronettes (from A Christmas Gift for You from Phil Spector)
― o. nate, Thursday, 24 April 2008 17:40 (seventeen years ago)
Inner City - Good Life
― Lolpez, Friday, 25 April 2008 18:28 (seventeen years ago)
http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/BU/The_Phi_Mu_Washboard_Band_-_8_Mamma_Dont_Allow.mp3
― crütis what we aim for (unregistered), Saturday, 8 September 2012 18:32 (thirteen years ago)
Andrew WK.
― Poliopolice, Saturday, 8 September 2012 18:57 (thirteen years ago)
"uptight (everything's alright)"
― billstevejim, Saturday, 8 September 2012 20:44 (thirteen years ago)
Mmmbop.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 8 September 2012 21:20 (thirteen years ago)
Jackson 5.
Pretty much all 70s Stevie Wonder.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 8 September 2012 21:21 (thirteen years ago)
Groove Is In The Heart.
KEEP THS CUSTOMER SATISFIED!
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 8 September 2012 21:31 (thirteen years ago)
And, you know, shitloads more.
Early Beatles holds that same factor as Nirvana at their best. Something that transcends the sum of its parts.
― This Is... The Police (dog latin), Saturday, 8 September 2012 21:53 (thirteen years ago)
bbut factors are by definition the sum of their parts
― you lost me at "chill" (Matt P), Saturday, 8 September 2012 21:55 (thirteen years ago)
XTC - "Burning With Optimism's Flame" is like Beatles^2
― He revs the language like a hypersonic superbike. (bernard snowy), Saturday, 8 September 2012 22:03 (thirteen years ago)
(literally: XTC strike me as being a buncha squares, at least once they kicked out Barry Whatshisname)
― He revs the language like a hypersonic superbike. (bernard snowy), Saturday, 8 September 2012 22:04 (thirteen years ago)
Animal Collective - Who Could Win a Rabbit?
― Moka, Sunday, 9 September 2012 01:55 (thirteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeGdJgWXJ6Q
― stop trying to make fetch the bolt cutters happen (unregistered), Friday, 29 May 2020 03:53 (five years ago)
No. People should stop making music now.― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, July 19, 2005 12:52 PM bookmarkflaglink
― I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Friday, 29 May 2020 04:45 (five years ago)
this song immediately came to mind when i saw the thread title:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GssZV7H5Tw
― alpine static, Friday, 29 May 2020 05:09 (five years ago)
"Da Doo Ron Ron"!
― Sam Weller, Friday, 29 May 2020 09:18 (five years ago)
Beatles - Everybody's Got Something to Hide Except Me and My MonkeyLesley Gore - Sunshine Lollipops and Rainbows
― Hideous Lump, Friday, 29 May 2020 21:11 (five years ago)
The Impressions, "We're A Winner"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLMRzDFMvEo
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 30 May 2020 16:19 (five years ago)
strat looks good on curtis
― budo jeru, Saturday, 30 May 2020 19:23 (five years ago)
kylie minogue
― crystal-brained yogahead (map), Saturday, 30 May 2020 20:19 (five years ago)
one track i've probably listened to over a hundred times, maybe two hundred, in the past few years is "escapade" by janet jackson. it is all the joy berries, an essential distillation of the joy of life, the blues, transcendence, ecstasy passion and pain and transforms me for at least a few seconds literally every time i listen to it.
― crystal-brained yogahead (map), Saturday, 30 May 2020 20:22 (five years ago)
oh man that tripping daisy track is great, never heard that before
― crystal-brained yogahead (map), Saturday, 30 May 2020 20:27 (five years ago)
there's a lot of emotions in this tbh but it's cathartic in like a joyful way i think. ghostface at his best is high joy vibration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYx7uzzlhzY
― crystal-brained yogahead (map), Saturday, 30 May 2020 20:30 (five years ago)
Uh, there are like 500 Northern Soul songs that do this. It’s why I love the genre so much!
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 2 December 2025 19:51 (two months ago)
^^otm
― The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 December 2025 19:53 (two months ago)
ike & tina, "river deep mountain high." absolutely hair-raising. can't even catch my breath for the emotion when i attempt to sing along.
― andrew m., Tuesday, 2 December 2025 21:18 (two months ago)
cornier answer: "joy," silverbullit aka citizen bird
"sense," "life of riley," lightning seeds
― andrew m., Tuesday, 2 December 2025 21:19 (two months ago)
Lmao at OP's list of the top Beatles songs that contains some of their worst songs.
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Tuesday, 2 December 2025 21:44 (two months ago)
it's not that bad - I'm a big fan of "All My Loving" and "Please Please Me"
― c u (crüt), Tuesday, 2 December 2025 21:50 (two months ago)
I love both those songs! You have to be Paul McCartney to think that Hey Jude and Hello Goodbye are top 10 Beatles songs.
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Tuesday, 2 December 2025 21:54 (two months ago)
tbf Hey Jude being top 10 is far from an unpopular opinion!!
― c u (crüt), Tuesday, 2 December 2025 21:58 (two months ago)
fwiw here's the top 20 from the actual ilx Beatles poll:
1 A Day In The Life (Points: 717, Votes: 25, NumberOnes: 6)2 Strawberry Fields Forever (Points: 703, Votes: 26, NumberOnes: 3)3 Tomorrow Never Knows (Points: 590, Votes: 24, NumberOnes: 2)4 Dear Prudence (Points: 543, Votes: 22, NumberOnes: 3)5 Ticket To Ride (Points: 537, Votes: 21, NumberOnes: 1)6 Happiness is a Warm Gun (Points: 512, Votes: 20, NumberOnes: 3)7 For No One (Points: 495, Votes: 20, NumberOnes: 0)8 I Am The Walrus (Points: 472, Votes: 22, NumberOnes: 0)9 I'm only sleeping (Points: 445, Votes: 18, NumberOnes: 0)10 Hey Bulldog (Points: 434, Votes: 19, NumberOnes: 1)11 We Can Work It Out (Points: 432, Votes: 18, NumberOnes: 0)12 And Your Bird Can Sing [19= Anthology 2 version] (Points: 415, Votes: 17, NumberOnes: 1)13 In My Life (Points: 389, Votes: 19, NumberOnes: 0)14 Penny Lane (Points: 370, Votes: 16, NumberOnes: 2)15 Paperback Writer (Points: 369, Votes: 16, NumberOnes: 1)16 You Never Give Me Your Money (Points: 366, Votes: 15, NumberOnes: 2)17 She Loves You (Points: 360, Votes: 14, NumberOnes: 0)18 Rain (Points: 355, Votes: 14, NumberOnes: 1)19 Long Long Long (Points: 347, Votes: 13, NumberOnes: 1)20 Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown) (Points: 329, Votes: 16, NumberOnes: 0)
― paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 2 December 2025 22:11 (two months ago)
cmd-f "Tighten Up", nada, wtf
― hey man, smell my finger, then another finger, then cigarette (WmC), Tuesday, 2 December 2025 22:42 (two months ago)
I Just Can’t Stop Dancing
― Modollno Kahn (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 3 December 2025 00:12 (two months ago)
― c u (crüt), Tuesday, December 2, 2025 4:58 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
It may be popular with normies, but I would think ilx would be better, which apparently it is based on the ilx top 20 tipsy posted.
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Wednesday, 3 December 2025 16:51 (two months ago)
I think some of the early Rolling Stones songs have the same youthful joyful giddiness to them - I'm thinking in particular of their cover of "Mercy, Mercy." There's a particular quality that I think the original post is trying to get at, of the musicians seeming like they are joyful just to be performing the song, whatever it is. Like the essence of the line from "Shine a Light," "make every song you sing your favorite tune." I also hear it in "Another Saturday Night" by Sam Cooke.
― Lily Dale, Wednesday, 3 December 2025 18:19 (two months ago)
joyfully in an awful way
― andrew m., Wednesday, 3 December 2025 19:31 (two months ago)
Some Motown songs from this period have a similar contagious feeling of excitement , eg the Miracles “Mickey’s Monkey” also 1963.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 3 December 2025 19:36 (two months ago)
needle in a haystack, for eg
― fpsa, Thursday, 4 December 2025 02:20 (two months ago)
"Mickey's Monkey" a perfect example.
― Nicholas Raybeat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 4 December 2025 02:50 (two months ago)
Also 1963, "The Monkey Time," written by Curtis Mayfield and performed by Major Lance.
― Nicholas Raybeat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 4 December 2025 02:51 (two months ago)