Has Any Music Ever *BURSTED WITH JOY* to the Same Extent as Early Beatles Songs Such as "I Want to Hold Your Hand" and "Please Please Me?"

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Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

ABBA!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

BIS

Michael Burble, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

No. People should stop making music now.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

Yes.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

Yes.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

What are examples? I understand the impulse to say ABBA, but I'm not sure that their joyful bursts pack the same whallop.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

phil spector productions, all of them.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

Lots of Louis Armstrong & the Hot Five tunes.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

"Shake Your Coconuts," Junior Senior

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

"Huddle Formation," Go Team!

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:31 (twenty years ago)

"I Get Around" is a good contender.

PB, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

"Disco Inferno," Trammps

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

"Tutti Frutti," Little Richard

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

"Hot Hot Hot," Buster Poindexter

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

"Mr. Bluesky", ELO

darin (darin), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

The Rolling Stones, "Jumping Jack Flash"

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

The Beatles' "Twist & Shout"

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

I do not agree with "Disco Inferno."
I do not think "I Get Around" packs the same whallop.
Phil Spector might be a good call, but certainly not all of his productions (like not "YOU'VE LOST THAT LOVING FEELING," for example!).

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

"Tutti Frutti" and "Jumping Jack Flash" certainly burst, but I think it's a different kind of bursting. I mean, Negative Approach is bursting, too.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

you're like Geir with extra b.s. sometimes, Tim.

ZZ Top, "Legs"

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, thanks, dick.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

(How am I supposed to get work done while trying to think of songs that "burst"? This is ridiculous....)

PB, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)

it's true!

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)

I mean, I think YOU"RE full of B.S. if you refuse to acknowledge that I was talking about a particular kind of bursting with joy that has NOTHING to do with "Legs" by ZZ Top.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)

they're white, horny and wear suits. Is it the drum machine?

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

The Contours -- "Do You Love Me"

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

And yeah, it does have something to do with MELODY and "Tutti Frutti" and "Jumping Jack Flash" ain't got it. Sorry. (Doesn't mean I don't like 'em a lot.)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

hee hee yeah, this ain't like geir at all.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

"Help" also seems to burst, but I'm not completely sure it's with joy....

"Wouldn't it Be Nice?" bursts after the initial music box guitar bit......

PB, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

And there's no grain of truth whatsoever in Geir's MESSAGE, right?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

Examples off the top of my head:

"Charly" - The Prodigy
"Play In The Sunshine" - Prince
"Love Comes Quickly" - Pet Shop Boys
The final chorale of "The Creation"
"I'm A Believer" - The Monkees
"Give It Up" - The Goodmen
"Music Sounds Better With You" - Stardust
"To Be Real" - um... what's her face
"I Feel Love" - Donna Summer
"Turn The Beat Around" - Vicki Sue Robinson
"Walking On Sunshine" - Katrina & the Waves
"The Lovecats" - The Cure
"Somewhere Out There (pt 2)" - Orbital

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

Paging Herr Mozart.

The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

Freddy Cannon -- "Where The Action Is"
John Fred & His Playboy Band -- "Judy in Disguise (With Glasses)"
The Hollies -- "Bus Stop"

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

"Love At First Sight" by Kylie Minogue
Several songs from the U.S.E. album

Jeff Reguilon (Talent Explosion), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

"Wouldn't it Be Nice?" bursts after the initial music box guitar bit......

This was my first thought.

sleep (sleep), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

Walking on sunshine

This should also double as a Music That Should Be Fucking Burned For Eternity thread

-rainbow bum- (-rainbow bum-), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

didn't Cheryl Lynn do "To Be Real," Dan?

Other picks:

Otis Redding, "Love Man"
Al Green, "Tired of Being Alone"
New Order, "Perfect Kiss"

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

born slippy
one more time
romeo

Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

I think the bursting with joy quality you're talking about has to do with the fast tempo, the tight harmonies, and the tension and release of the turnaround parts ("I can't hide / I can't hide / I can't hide") plus the peppy lyrics. It's easy to list stuff that has an equal amount of energy but much tougher to think of stuff that's so lyrically upbeat, particularly post-Beatles. And there's plenty of joyful pre-Beatles pop but much of it is slower in tempo or more sparsely arranged which reduces the "bursting" quality a bit. Buddy Holly or the Everly Bros seem joyous to me but they're both a bit more laid back in a way that the joy sort of slowly oozes or radiates out rather than bursting.

Anyway, here are some thoughts:
Dave Clark Five - Catch us if you Can, Bits & Pieces
some Four Seasons songs
The Turtles - She'd Rather Be With Me, You Baby

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

Pointer Sisters, "I'm So Excited"
Rick Astley, "Never Gonna Give You Up"
Dead Or Alive, "You Spin Me Right Round"
many a SAW production, really

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

That probably should have been "Glad All Over" rather than "Bits & Pieces".

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

Divine Comedy - My Lovely Horse
Jackson 5 - I Want You Back
Hal - Play The Hits

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

Walter steps up w/ the reasonable post.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

Sweet - Ballroom Blitz, Slade - C.O.F.T.N., many many T-Rex tracks, etc.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

Darkness - I Believe In A Thing Called Love
Poison - Nothing But A Good Time
Kool & The Gang - Celebration

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

Now you're pushing it, tho.

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Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

http://ourworld.cs.com/WeezelX/rs/dancing.jpg

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)

Letter to an Occupant - New Pornographers

darin (darin), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

Queen - Don't Stop Me Now

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

Mariah Carey - "Emotions"
Amerie - "1 Thing"
The Raspberries - "Go All the Way"
Boston - "More Than a Feeling"
New Order - "Temptation"
The Cure - "Mint Car"

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

The Raspberries, "Tonight"

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

Public Enemy, "Brothers Gonna Work It Out"

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

Pet Shop Boys "I Wouldn't Normally Do This Kind of Thing"

Not Thaat Chuck, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

Jackson 5 - I Want You Back

A funny in-joke among my brother and sister and I involves one of us randomly bursting into the "ba-ba-ba--ba-ba" backing vocals as a taunt when one is doing well in Mario Kart. That song counts.

Cunga (Cunga), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

MC5 - Teenage Lust, Tonight, etc.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

"Love Comes Quickly" - Pet Shop Boys

I don't get joy from this song. On the contrary it's quite sad. It's not "Requited Love Comes Quickly", and to me sounds more like the song of someone who has tried to convince themselves love is not possible only to find themselves hopelessly in love again, the music backs this up for me.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)

The Nazz - Forget All About It
Can You Feel It (Vocal Mix) - Mr. Fingers?
Mockingbird - Charles & Inez Foxx
She Is Beyond Good & Evil - The Pop Group

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

FUNKADELIC "CAN YOU GET TO THAT?"
SLY STONE ET AL "DANCE TO THE MUSIC"

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

Jackson Five, ABC

Earth, Wind & Fire, Sing A Song

Modern Lovers, Roadrunner

Rogers & Hammerstein, Oklahoma
Rogers & Hammerstein, Shall We Dance

Sex Pistols, Anarchy In The U.K.

Ramones, Sheena Is A Punk Rocker
BR-549, Little Ramona (Gone Hillbilly Nuts)

Puffy, Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi Show Theme

Vornado, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

Lindsay Buckingham "Holiday Road"
Beck "Electric Music And The Summer People"
The Flaming Lips "Psychiatric Exploration of the Fetus With Needles"

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

more cure songs:

Doing The Unstuck
Just Like Heaven
Lovesong

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

Richard Strauss - Metamorphosen

Masked Gazza, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

I heard about this genre called gospel...

donut ferry (donut), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

NOT MELODIC ENOUGH

Masked Gazza, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

I was going to mention gospel but felt embarassed that I couldn't actually name any songs.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

Kirk Franklin's "Stomp"!

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

the magic numbers - love me like you
the magic numbers - long legs
the magic numbers - mornings eleven

ok i'll stop now.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

"Friends of Mine" The Zombies
"Tally Ho" The Clean
"Song against Sex" Neutral Milk Hotel (even though it's depressing as hell if you decipher the lyrics, it sounds like it's *BURSTING* with joy)
"Glow Worm" Apples in Stereo

wayward son, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

ILM's perception of joy is sort of disconcerting here.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

i think we're rilly just looking for classic pop r&b.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

see also tommy james & the shondells -- hanky panky.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)

"i think we're rilly just looking for classic pop r&b."

Well, I wasn't, anyway, when I started this thread. And I think a lot of the suggestions people have made are wack.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

I heard about this genre called gospel...
-- donut ferry (do...), July 19th, 2005.

NOT MELODIC ENOUGH
-- Masked Gazza (m...), July 19th, 2005.

Thanks for oversimplifying my argument.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

Gospel is an interesting point, actually.

I think the Jackson 5 songs mentioned come close. A lot of the suggestions here are songs that maybe approximate the energy and joy and release of something like "Please Please Me," but I don't know as that they equal it. The MC5 songs Walter mentioned, the Raspberries. Songs like "I'm a Believer" and "Hanky Panky" aren't close at all.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

you've made an argument?

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

I should have said "thanks for assuming that my argument was that simpleminded."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

So have any songs been mentioned yet that you would put on par with IWTHYH & PPM in the joyful bursting stakes?

oops, xxpost

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)

Wait, I'm confused. MC5 & the Raspberries are close or not?

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

And it's not like you've made any argument as to how "Legs" or "You Spin Me Round Like a Record" are as bursting with joy as "I Want to Hold Your Hand."

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Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, as I've said I think some of the early Phil Spector singles, Jackson 5, gospel - otm. (Sorry, yeah, I meant that those MC5 songs and Rapsberries are close.)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

Why should I? I'm just answering a question. You're the one passing judgement on people's preferences.

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miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

So you really think "You Spin Me Round Like a Record" bursts with joy to the same extent or more than these two early Beatles songs?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

i think we can assume i do

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

ok.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

A lot of disco and other slower stuff is of a slightly different quality. Something like I Feel Love definitely bursts with joy but when compared side by side with Please Please Me it's a fundamentally different thing. One is the sound of an adult swimming in joy and luxuriating in it while the other has the quality of Kermit the Frog frantically shaking and bopping around. I think the only way a slower song can have a bursting quality that equals Please Please Me is if there's a very strong tension built up between the restraint of the rhythm and the bursting release of the vocal part. So "I Feel Love" maybe builds, floats and soars but I think the scream of "Can You Feel It" definitely bursts out.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

"Southern Girls" by Cheap Trick

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

Since the original question is "has any music ever *BURSTED WITH JOY* to the same extent as two early beatles songs?" it doesn't really matter if it does so in a different way than two early Beatles songs. If you're just looking for songs that sound like two early Beatles songs than you should ask for them rather than co-opt an entire emotion.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

"Southern Girls" by Cheap Trick

How about "Hello There"?

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, and the joyfulness and bursting in the Beatles songs has to do with structure, harmonic tension and release, and ... uh ... melody.

x-posts to Walter's post above

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

Anthony, it's not about co-opting the emotion (joy). It's about BURSTING with joy. A lot of joyful songs don't burst and certainly a lot of them don't burst to the extent that "Please Please Me" bursts.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

And that's why I don't get "You Spin Me Round" and "Legs."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

Like A Virgin

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

oh, BURSTING! right.

http://cover6.cduniverse.com/msiart/0000340/0000340703_170.jpg

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

"Bye Bye Love" and "Wake up Little Susie" are pretty damn joyous and peppy. They don't possess the same forward drive of "I Wanna Hold Your Hand". But, damn, I find them pretty ecstatic.

Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

Where does "Please Please Me" BURST, exactly?

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

The whole thing bursts.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

But particularly the way the verse ends so quickly (after only two lines) and goes into that buildup into the chorus, which is just this one-line RELEASE.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

"come on, COME ON / come on, COME ON /
come on, COME ON / come on, COME ON /... BAM!"

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

Supergrass - 'Alright'
The Shangri-Las 'Give Him A Great Big Kiss'
The Beach Boys - 'All Summer Long'
The Elgins - 'Heaven Must Have Sent You'
The Temptations - 'Get Ready'
The Faces - 'You Can Make Me Dance, Sing Or Anything'
Daft Punk - 'Crescendolls'
Tracey Ullman - 'They Don't Know'
The Undertones - 'Here Comes The Summer'
The Fiery Furnaces - 'Here Comes The Summer'
Amerie - '1 Thing'

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

Together - 'So Much Love To Give'

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

the whole of "You Spin Me" bursts with joyous fruit flavor while maintaining a tension that releases at the end of each verse, either with "I want someone's SON!" or "watch out here i...CUM!"

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

Come on Tim, be a man and say it -

R.E.M. -- "Stand," "Get Up," "Shiny Happy People," "Me In Honey!"

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

I think Tim demands some kind of innocence in his joy bursts, even if the Beatles were dirty whoring dogs in reality.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

born slippy
one more time
romeo
-- Gear! (speed.to.roa...)

otm
otm
otm

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

this song is about demanding blow jobs from your girl. you have to sing it with enthusiasm

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

"Innocent Joy Bursts" = worst candy ever

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

"Southern Girls" by Cheap Trick
How about "Hello There"?

-- walter kranz (kranz_walte...), July 19th, 2005. (walterkranz)

Good call! I love Cheap Trick they make me happy!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

Tim, your joy-burst is probably attributable at least in part to the historical weight of the Beatles, to shared cultural memories (even/especially as remembered by people who weren't there: I mean inherited cultural memory, and this isn't limited to Americans, English, or any other group esp. with the Beatles), and to the way that a band who became utterly monolithic in the popular imagination are bound to sound even more "youthful"/"innocent"/"joyous" etc in light of what they later became, and the direction history took. In other words: no band can really provide what you're asking without satisfying a number of completely intractable historical conditions.

Alternate answer: try Haydn's "Fireworks" symphony

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

"I want someone's SON!"

I always thought it was "I want some, want some", but this is a lot better!

kickitcricket (kickitcricket), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

I stole that mishear from Rob Sheffield and I'm not giving it back. Feel free to steal it too!

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

Maybe it does require "innocence" to write something as hardcore as "Please Please Me."

Is this why so few people recognize that Kevin Barnes of Of Montreal is the best songwriter in rock today? Too "innocent?"

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

"When My Baby's Beside Me" - Big Star

Keith C (kcraw916), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

I do love the giddy rush of those early Beatles uptempo classics. The other best ones are It Won't Be Long, their cover of Please Mister Postman and king of them all, All My Loving.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

haha Tim you betray your hand. Barnes is fine 'n' all, but he's only "the best songwriter in rock today" to people who DEMAND that their pop songwriting be not only Beatlesesque but quite, quite Beatlesesque indeed

and as I say, that "innocent" quality is a function of history colliding with the art: "Please Please Me" sure as fuck didn't sound innocent to Beatles fans at the time, nor to their parents

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

"A Hard Day's Night" works too.

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miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

though admittedly along with the burst it contains quite a bit of anticipation and afterglow.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

I think there's very little Beatle-esque about the most recent (and far away best) Of Montreal album.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

I've never found 'A Hard Day's Night' that joyful sounding, at least not in that way. It doesn't ascend the scale in the way the others do. More Lennon I guess.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

It's definitely a more mature version with the working and what not.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)

Tim: THERE IS NO MUSIC MORE BURSTING WITH JOY THAN THE BEATLES! I DEFY YOU TO NAME MUSIC BURSTING WITH AS MUCH JOY!

ILM: Well there is [insert blank there.]

Tim: NO YOU ARE WRONG!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

"I Wanna Hold Your Hand" is to joyful melodies what "Frere Jacques" is to counterpoint.

I kind of don't see any point to this thread other than getting people to list a whole bunch of songs that you can be a dick about, Tim.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

I mean, you cna't even call this "Geir-esque" because Geir is willing to translate his melodic rules to other genres and is very happy and thrilled when they satisfy his criteria. Your entire position here seems to be one that involves uncritical felching of Paul McCartney.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:29 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I'm the bad guy for expressing an opinion. As Anthony said earlier, in my particular case, expressing an opinion about music is "passing judgement on other people's tastes."

x-post - Your analysis is lacking.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

"you make me feel (mighty real)" by sylvester

tricky (disco stu), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

Also, "bursted" isn't a word.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

"innocent" quality is a function of history colliding with the art

OTM. There's as much joy, and purity, in "Anarchy In The UK" -- there are few more enjoyable things in life than getting to scream "I am the Antichrist!!!" over a good beat!

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

The most recent song like this I can think of is last year's Hounds of Love cover by the Futureheads.

and Shake Some Action is another selection along with the Left Banke's She May Call You Up Tonight that I like.

Cunga (Cunga), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

THE ONLY MUSIC I LIKE IS PAUL MCCARTNEY

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

But Dan, it's so amazing!

thread-related question: why do so many Of Montreal fans get really confrontational about how much they dig Kevin Barnes's songwriting?

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, now I'm being "confrontational." I see.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

Where you see "confrontational" you should infer "act like a jackass".

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

Is this why so few people recognize that Kevin Barnes of Of Montreal is the best songwriter in rock today? Too "innocent?"

Do you not see how loaded this question is, how unfriendly to dialogue? So few people "recognize." No, dude: so few people agree with your position. Also, the scarequotes around "innocent" seem to attribute some fault to the listener who doesn't hear that Kevin Barnes is empirically THE BEST SONGWRITER IN ROCK TODAY.

This doesn't seem confrontational to you?

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

People who have been much more confrontational, sarcastic, etc. than me on this thread: miccio, Alex in SF, Dan.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

only after you told me my choices were poo!

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

Come on, Banana, I don't mean to make people mad. I genuinely think Kevin Barnes is the best songwriter in rock right now. And it surprises me that people just shrug off all he does. That is all.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

ANTHONY, REVIEW THE THREAD. I DID NO SUCH THING. I MERELY MADE A PARTICULAR STATEMENT ABOUT "TUTTI FRUTTI" AND "JUMPING JACK FLASH" BEFORE YOU GOT ALL AGGRO.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

I do not agree with "Disco Inferno."
I do not think "I Get Around" packs the same whallop.
Phil Spector might be a good call, but certainly not all of his productions (like not "YOU'VE LOST THAT LOVING FEELING," for example!).
-- Tim Ellison (timelliso...), July 19th, 2005.


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"Tutti Frutti" and "Jumping Jack Flash" certainly burst, but I think it's a different kind of bursting. I mean, Negative Approach is bursting, too.
-- Tim Ellison (timelliso...), July 19th, 2005.


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you're like Geir with extra b.s. sometimes, Tim.
ZZ Top, "Legs"

-- miccio (anthonyisrigh...), July 19th, 2005.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

When was I confrontational?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

No. Alex, your post fell in the sarcastic category.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)

And extremely sarcastic at that, kinda. Also: dismissive of my argument, tryin' to oversimplify it to make me look dum, etc.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

This thread is now bursting with joy

Keith C (kcraw916), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

Tim, you still haven't made an argument.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:46 (twenty years ago)

It was perhaps a kinda subjective thing. Walter and others seemed to know where I was coming from.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:47 (twenty years ago)

Hahaha whatever.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

Walter made an argument! That was very nice of him.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

Well, you asked. I'm just sayin'.

x-post

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

I don't see ANYONE on this thread bursting with joy.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

It's all shits'n'giggles behind this screen!

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

...so here's another song: New Order's "True Faith."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

Actually reading Tim makes me very happy. He's very cute about this sort of thing.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

THANKS DUDE. ONE LOVE!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

What did you think of my choices, Tim?

Oh, and the Lovin' Spoonful's 'Do You Believe In Magic?' is so bursting with joy it hurtz.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

and I'm shocked Tim hasn't yet posted one of Macca's post-1980 pisstakes.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

http://store.everyday-essentials.co.uk/acatalog/crackers%201.jpg

Masked Gazza, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

People who have been much more confrontational, sarcastic, etc. than me on this thread: miccio, Alex in SF, Dan.

If you're going to play McLaughlin Group on a thread, expect to get mocked.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

'Bat Macumba' - Os Mutantes
'Blue Boy'- Orange Juice
'You're Song'- Cranebuilders
'Biff Bang Pow'- The Creation
'There Goes The Fear'- Doves
'Druganaut'- Black Mountain
that whole Amadou et Mariam album
All of which capture people realising their performance together is way better than they had ever imagined.

I think you might be in the 'Tom Baker as the Sea Captain in Blackadder' situation re Of Montreal- there are two schools of thought on the matter...
I found that album dry and academic, the musical equivalent of unsellable literary fiction. But whatever floats yer boat. (do you see?)

snotty moore, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

Yeah but as I say, where you're coming from - even if (unsurprisingly) others feel yer mojo on it - seems loaded up with a TON of stuff that isn't, as you'd like to contend, entirely inherent in the music you're discussing. To attribute the "joy" of "Please Please Me" & "IWHYH" to the music along seems willfully naive: those songs don't really even exist as just-music; they're cultural touchstones with dozens of layers of importance; you might as easily ask someone to judge the word "America" on a purely phonetic basis. Can't be done; too much weight. That people would say "oh, yeah, there's this" & you'd agree hardly asks-and-answers the matter of whether your question isn't really rather more complicated than you'd like it to be.

Other threads: has there ever been anyone as qualitatively excellent as Jesus Christ? Are the Yankees objecvtively the best team ever?

finally in re: Barnes, yeah I know, there's a small but vocal group of people who hear Godhead when they listen to Of Montreal, but I think it's that they punch very specific Beatles-related pleasure centers (though not enough to appeal to mainstream Beatles fans much) - those of us who don't really enjoy listening to the Beatles get turned off of Of Montreal pretty quick

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

tim i don't understand how "tutti frutti" is an example of the "negative approach," whatever that is. little richard made some of the most "joyful" and "bursting" records ever, enough to make even "i wanna hold your hand" etc (which i love) seem kinda anodyne. if you can't understand how someone could think that, go back and listen to the fucking record again and stop thinking about things like "melody" that have nothing to do with the emotions you're supposedly talking about.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

Girls Just Wanna Have Fun

LeCoq (LeCoq), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

"music along" = "music alone" above

xpost

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

El Debarge - "Who's Johnny?"

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

Girls Just Wanna Have Fun OTM

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

Dan, I don't think I was doing this. It wasn't like, "POINT NUMBER ONE! MICCIO'S SUGGESTIONS!"

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

I mean, you cna't even call this "Geir-esque" because Geir is willing to translate his melodic rules to other genres and is very happy and thrilled when they satisfy his criteria

OTM...Geir's definitely consistent within his own little weird musical worldview.

Also, defining "bursting with joy" and then expecting it to be some kind of easily quantifiable thing is the prob. with this thread....like "Scenario" by Tribe Called Quest is pretty joyful to me, but it might not be to you....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

Me Myself & I

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:04 (twenty years ago)

"Buddy" as well....it's like a party!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

Now I want to know which music is bursting with BOYS!

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

Banana, the thread was not about whether the Beatles were the best band ever. Yes, the Beatles were a cultural zeitgeist and I think the push of songs like "Please Please Me" and "I Want to Hold Your Hand" has more impact because the songs managed to make their mark. The musical triumphs of those songs were made explicit by the Beatles' vast success.

But these songs particularly seem to have a kind of energy and joy that seems to me to be at the heart of Beatlemania. Alba mentioned some other songs that embody it, too, though maybe to a lesser degree.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

Now I want to know which music is bursting with BOYS!

"Boys" - Mary Jane Girls
"It's Raining Men" - The Weathergirls

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

Other early Beatles songs, I mean.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

Also: I'd be interested in a discussion on the degree to which The Sunlandic Twins is about "Beatles pleasure points."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)

"I mean, you cna't even call this "Geir-esque" because Geir is willing to translate his melodic rules to other genres and is very happy and thrilled when they satisfy his criteria"

Uh, I never outlined a single rule or criterion.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

"It's Raining Men" - The Weathergirls

No. First of all it's men, not boys and they are raining down rather than bursting. Are you being purposely difficult?

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)

"Now I want to know which music is bursting with BOYS!"

The Beatles, "Boys"
anything by the Pet Shop Boys
Franz Ferdinand, "Michael"

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

dude, Tim, enough. Let's instead wax ridiculous about the joys of "Press to Play".

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

I haven't looked at any of these posts but, "Set Me Free" by N Trance.

xpost not for the boys thing, well not specifically.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

tim i don't understand how "tutti frutti" is an example of the "negative approach," whatever that is. little richard made some of the most "joyful" and "bursting" records ever, enough to make even "i wanna hold your hand" etc (which i love) seem kinda anodyne. if you can't understand how someone could think that, go back and listen to the fucking record again and stop thinking about things like "melody" that have nothing to do with the emotions you're supposedly talking about.
-- J.D. (aubade8...), July 19th, 2005.

No no, you misunderstood me. I was talking about the hardcore punk group Negative Approach. I think "Tutti Frutti" kicks ass. I certainly don't think it's "negative!" But I do think there's a sort of joy to those two Beatles songs that DOES have something to do with melody and harmony.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

And it's a very intense joy.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

If it's not about joy, but a sort of joy, I suggest someone change the thread title to Has Any Music Ever *BURSTED WITH BEATLESQUE JOY* to the Same Extent as Early Beatles Songs Such As "I Want To Hold Your Hand" and "Please Please Me"?

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

Uh, I never outlined a single rule or criterion.

Oh! Right! Then that's settled then!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps not bursting in Tim's prescribed way, but Universal Robot Band - Barely Breaking Even.

Also:

> This should also double as a Music That Should Be Fucking Burned For Eternity thread.

What. the. fuck.

Rob Uptight (Rob Uptight), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

But, is "Please Please Me" really expressing intense joy? Or, is it expressing a kind of desperate need for satisfaction because the man doesn't feel like his women is treating him as well as he treats her. "Please, please me like I please you."

Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:33 (twenty years ago)

Yeah. I don't think "Please Please Me" is as joyful as "I Saw Her STanding There" or "It Won't Be long."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

Actually, anthony, by "a sort of joy," I meant an extreme joy.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

Lyrics are "mere content," as Meltzer would say, in early Beatles music. I don't see that they lyrics to "Please Please Me" detract one bit from its joyous burst. And I think it's a bigger burst than "I Saw Her Standing There" and "It Won't Be Long."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

yeah extreme like the Beatles! not like that Little Richard guy.

http://uplink.space.com/attachments/181971-screw_ball.jpg

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

I will give you one example (and I am afraid to actually look at this thread): Willie Colon/Ruben Blades: "Ojos."

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

Ah, if you're forgetting about lyrical content then you really have lost me, Tim. Loads of songs sound as joyous as early Beatles if you ignore the lyrics.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

HEY YA ha ha ha.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)

I'm not referring to Please Please Me's lyrics; I'm talking about the longing in Lennon's voice and the harmonica's slightly mournful timber, neither of which strikes me as exclusively joyful. "Horny" is more like it.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)

Dan Perry, stop using technical music theory terms like "melody"!

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)

a 'Has Any Music Ever *BURSTED WITH HORNINESS* to the same extent as Early Beatles...' thread would have been sooooo much better

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

Loads of early rave actually.

Happy Hardcore for gods sakes.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

Uh, I never outlined a single rule or criterion.
Oh! Right! Then that's settled then!

-- Sterling Clover (s.clove...), July 19th, 2005.

What's settled? That some people wanted to paint me as an espouser of Hongroian doctrine because I dared to ask whether the Beatles might have actually written some of the most joyously bursting music?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

You will have to try hard than this if you want to make me stop liking the Beatles.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:46 (twenty years ago)

Alba, it's not that I'm "forgetting about lyrical content." "Help!" is obviously not a joyous song in the same way. I just don't think the lyrics to "Please Please Me" affect how ... uh ... joyful it is.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

ILM IN TRYING TO SET SOMEONE UP AS STRAWMAN SHOCKA

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

b-b-b-but you make it so easy!

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

Has Any Poster Ever BURST WITH FRUSTRATION To The Same Extent as Tim Ellison?

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:51 (twenty years ago)

heehee. much love, Tim

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:51 (twenty years ago)

The recently posted alternatives to "Please, Please Me" got me thinking. I can't disregard the lyrics like Meltzer. So, I agree that "I saw Her Standing There" is more joyous, as well as, "Eight Days a Week". In fact, "Eight Days a Week" seems like textbook Beatles joyousness.

Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:51 (twenty years ago)

It's too slow.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

anthony, you seem to have misunderstood me a lot on this thread. Are you being willful? I DO think the joy of "Please Please Me" and "I Want to Hold Your Hand" is a little more intense than the joy of "Tutti Frutti." "Tutti Frutti" rocks harder, but the structures and energy of the two Beatles songs are nothing to sneeze at.

I never fucking said that the Beatles were more intense than Little Richard EVERY WHICH WAY, for chrissake.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:53 (twenty years ago)

otm about "Eight Days A Week."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:53 (twenty years ago)

anthony, you seem to have misunderstood me a lot on this thread. Are you being willful?

this shall become my universally understood empirically bursting with joy mantra from now on

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)

Tim, have you ever heard "joycore"?

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)

big xpost that I'm not going to bother to sort through...

I'm not referring to Please Please Me's lyrics; I'm talking about the longing in Lennon's voice and the harmonica's slightly mournful timber, neither of which strikes me as exclusively joyful.

I think the harmonica line is actually kind of cloying which reinforces the light "joyful" quality that I think Tim was trying to identify. "I Saw Her Standing There" is by contrast much more bluesy and full of heartache both in terms of the melody and the vocal delivery.

I don't think the details of lyrics are as important as the overall feeling. Basically the early Beatles tunes are all silly love songs with maybe some minor details in the particulars of each romantic situation. Anarchy in the UK on the other hand is explicitly on first listening full of anger and aggression (and yes, joy of a different, less googly-eyed sort).

I'm drawing a blank on "It Won't Be Long." Can you hum a few bars?

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)

Has Any Poster Ever BURST WITH FRUSTRATION To The Same Extent as Tim Ellison?

Bursted even.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)

OK Matos, if he was not being willful, I apologize! I am sorry!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)

I will give you one example (and I am afraid to actually look at this thread): Willie Colon/Ruben Blades: "Ojos."

Ha ha, RS, I was thinking of some of the salsa mp3s you posted last week but I figured it wouldn't be worth going there.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:58 (twenty years ago)

Walter otm on lyrics.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:58 (twenty years ago)

I think it's all about Ringo.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:59 (twenty years ago)

It's not so much willfulness as a lack of crack.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

Utah Saints - "Something Good"

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:01 (twenty years ago)

How did this thread get so far with no mention of MIA?

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:01 (twenty years ago)

MIA sometimes makes me joyful, but it doesn't sound like it's bursting with joy in itself. It's tough and stuff. Can you be tough and joyful?

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:03 (twenty years ago)

Yes. See Village People, "Macho Man."

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:03 (twenty years ago)

Althea and Donna - "Uptown Top Ranking"

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:04 (twenty years ago)

"Bursted" is too a word.

From Publishers Weekly
If you spliced Gualtiero Jacopetti's shockumentary Mondo films with the surreal clippings from the "Cruiskeen Lawn" newspaper column of Myles na Gopaleen (aka Flann O'Brien), the comic result might be this "serial novel" of short stories, shaggy dog tales and spoofs from the fictitious pen of McCabe's authorial desperado, Phildy Hackball, set in his crazy village of Barntrosna. Even stranger and campier than McCabe's recent Booker-shortlisted Breakfast on Pluto, these 10 intertwined stories mix loony subject matter culled from trashy paperbacks with Hibernian stereotypes and cliches. Like an Irish bull in a china shop, McCabe hilariously charges through yarns about genetically engineered winged donkeys ("The Valley of the Flying Jennets"), yokel farmers picked up in discotheques ("The Boils of Thomas Gully") and a pious schoolboy blown up not with a bomb but a tire pump ("The Bursted Priest"). The maniac citizens of Barntrosna somehow believe their wives are secret go-go dancers ("Hot Nights at the Go-Go Lounge"); the local Chinese takeaway is Bruce Lee's secret hangout ("My Friend Bruce Lee"); and the bishop's clerical protege was really Lucifer stirring up the swinging '60s ("I Ordained the Devil"). In a satire on McCabe's own career ("The Big Prize"), Barntrosna's unlikeliest novelist takes the mickey out of contemporary Irish writers and the award-lavishing British literary establishment. Only in the last, lengthy story, "The Forbidden Love of Noreen Tiernan," does this pulp fiction gag almost run aground, when Barntrosna's nicest student nurse goes to London, where she discovers lesbian love and drug racketeering before she is safely returned to the picturesque, demented town of McCabe's berserk imagination.

the flying jennet, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)

Sunshowers is pretty joyful. She's not so tough.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:08 (twenty years ago)

She tries! Like PLO she don't surrender!

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)

"taxman" bursts with way much more joy than "please please me," for good reason.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:10 (twenty years ago)

wesley willis

wesley willis fan #3217, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)

Powerhouse ft. Duane Harden, "What You Need"

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)

Utah Saints, yes.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)

The House Crew, "Euphoria (Nino's Dream)"

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)

seriously "ppm" is dirgey and not all that joyous. "taxman" is the sound of george harrison thanking his accountant, and it's about 10billyunXmore joyous.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:16 (twenty years ago)

And "Hello, Goodbye"! That's the most inane slice of joyous bullshit I've ever heard.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:17 (twenty years ago)

you might say it's bursting with inane joyous bullshit, miccio.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)

What do y'all think of my top forty Beatles songs list?

1. "Getting Better"
2. "I Feel Fine"
3. "All My Loving"
4. "Hello Goodbye"
5. "I Want to Hold Your Hand"
6. "Please Please Me"
7. "Penny Lane"
8. "Hey Jude"
9. "Revolution" (single version)
10. "A Day in the Life"
11. "Good Morning Good Morning"
12. "Strawberry Fields Forever"
13. "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"
14. Abbey Road Side Two medley
15. "Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite"
16. "This Boy"
17. "Let It Be"
18. "All You Need Is Love"
19. "Eleanor Rigby"
20. "She Loves You"
21. "Sexy Sadie"
22. "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away"
23. "Martha My Dear"
24. "Lady Madonna"
25. "Ask Me Why"
26. "Norwegian Wood"
27. "Help!"
28. "Yes It Is"
29. "A Hard Day's Night"
30. "Ticket to Ride"
31. "The Ballad of John and Yoko"
32. "No Reply"
33. "There's a Place"
34. "When I'm 64"
35. "She's Leaving Home"
36. "Within You Without You"
37. "I Am the Walrus"
38. "It Won't Be Long"
39. "Nowhere Man"
40. "For no One"

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:07 (twenty years ago)

You are a horror.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:25 (twenty years ago)

The Easybeats, "Friday on My Mind"

Case closed.

Also see James Reese Europe's "Down Home Rag" and the first movement of Bach's second Brandenburg Concerto. And I say this as ILx's biggest Beatles fan. No, seriously. Bigger than Ellison, bigger than Geir, bigger than N-E-1. Fuck you. FUCK YOU. GET IN THE RING.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:29 (twenty years ago)

I nominate every Sly & The Family Stone single up to (but not including, cuz its such a weird downer yet still mildly cheery song) "Family Affair". Everyday People, Life, Fun, Stand, Thank You, I Want to Take You Higher, etc.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:35 (twenty years ago)

(xpost)

Get thee behind me, Satan!

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:36 (twenty years ago)

I actually read that as "Get thee behind me, Stan," which given this thread's weirder tendencies actually makes better sense.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:38 (twenty years ago)

YOUR ARMS TOO SHORT TO BOX WITH THE HORNED ONE

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:40 (twenty years ago)

also, I will happily get in the ring w/Daddino re Beatles-luv. for real.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

I suspect, however, that one Mr. D. Wolk would kick both of our asses.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

my top ten Beatles songs
1-3 some songs from "Rubber Soul"
4 the general idea behind "Magical Mystery Tour"

that's about it

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:44 (twenty years ago)

I can't really read this thread without thinking of Cinniburst gum.

donut ferry (donut), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)

"helter skelter" is top 10, losers.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:56 (twenty years ago)

I don't mind the Beatles love at all! And I suspect the reason this thread has gone apeshit is cuz no one can agre on which Beatle songs burst with joy most noticeably.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:57 (twenty years ago)

And so this thread transforms into "Beatles: POX"

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)

Nah, it's too sludgy and slow.

I like one of walter kranz's first posts because he's trying to determine the musical qualities generally associated with "bursting with joy," albeit within a very specific musical context (beat combo pop). There should be more of that in this thread.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:00 (twenty years ago)

Nah, it's too sludgy and slow.

Er...ugh...xpost.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:01 (twenty years ago)

too sludgy and slow to be in a beatles' top 40?!?!? tim didn't pre-condition that list with any of his "bursting with joy" crap!

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:02 (twenty years ago)

I like one of walter kranz's first posts because he's trying to determine the musical qualities generally associated with "bursting with joy," albeit within a very specific musical context (beat combo pop). There should be more of that in this thread.

maybe you should ask the musicology masters dude about that! oh wait, he started this clusterfuck of a craptastic thread.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

"helter skelter" isn't really all that slow either.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, he didn't pre-condition nothin'. Still doesn't mean I should like it very much (though it's good, sure).

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:04 (twenty years ago)

I did have one post about the structure of the verse and chorus in "Please Please Me," yo.

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Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:04 (twenty years ago)

The only George song that bursts with joy is "Here Comes The Sun." Or maybe it blooms with joy.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:04 (twenty years ago)

Alfred, you are forgetting "Dream Away" on the excellent Gone Troppo LP.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:05 (twenty years ago)

"something" orgasms with joy!!!!

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:08 (twenty years ago)

Er, that one got away. you'll have to burn it for me, Tim.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:08 (twenty years ago)

"Something" is a dick rub.

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Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:09 (twenty years ago)

"Here Comes The Sun" is tumescence.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:10 (twenty years ago)

Parsing the music into constituent parts is useful, but I also wanna know how it came about that this chord sequence, this song structure, this vocal whoop, this tempo (or the combination of any or all) means HAPPY to "us."

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:12 (twenty years ago)

A muso will no doubt argue that the choice of major chords blah blah blah, Aeolian cadences and whatnot.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:15 (twenty years ago)

"i saw her standing there" made me burst with joy the other nite when i was driving and it came on the radio. it was a revelation. the bass playing on that song knocked me out! and those drums! and the guitars, don't even get me started on the guitars. it's perfect really. the whole song.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:21 (twenty years ago)

Everyone in this thread is wrong because the answer is Blondie's "Dreaming"

In fact, "Dreaming" might just be the answer to every thread.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:21 (twenty years ago)

not "heart of glass"?!???!?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:23 (twenty years ago)

elvis fucking telecom is fucking on the fucking fucking money

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:23 (twenty years ago)

"I Saw Her Standing There" gives the lie to all the Paul haters. I don't think he ever sounded so convincingly lustful: his use of his lower register, getting all effete during the "ooooh!!!" part. The economy of the playing (Ringo sounds great) is truly awesome.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:28 (twenty years ago)

that is a horrible song, even for paul.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:29 (twenty years ago)

not "heart of glass"?!???!?

No. It's a great song, but it just doesn't have the blipvert quality that "Dreaming" has with power punk, girl groups, British invasion, and the best parts of practically the entire Western history of music crammed into 3 minutes & 8 seconds.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:39 (twenty years ago)

"It's All Too Much" is the obvious George song to pick here with "What Is Life" a distant second.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:40 (twenty years ago)

"it's all too much" = genius, totally

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:41 (twenty years ago)

Cymande's "Bra" and Elis Regina's "Zazueira" and "Madalena" all burst with joy. Big Star, the Byrds, Everlys, Moby Grape--all touchstones for me, but too fatalistic, melancholy. Left Banke's "She Might Call You Up" (or is it "She May Call Your Up"?) is great, but sexually defeated. Michael Brown was what, 17 at the time, and already no joy there for the young man. And yeah I like those early Beatles tunes a lot, almost as much joy there as in David Allen Coe.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:57 (twenty years ago)

St. Etienne - "You're in a bad way"

daavid (daavid), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:10 (twenty years ago)

Oh and "He's on the phone" too.

daavid (daavid), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:11 (twenty years ago)

Also: James and Martha Carson's "I'll Fly Away" and the eighth track on the fifth volume of the Secret Museum of Mankind series.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:15 (twenty years ago)

When I was buying the Beatles monaural recordings, the Capital originals, which you mostly don't have, they didn't make me burst with joy. They were rock and roll records and I had never heard rock and roll before. And they made me want to play the guitar. So I pested and pested and pested my parents until they bought me a cheap guitar, at which point I found I couldn't sound like the Beatles, no matter how hard I practiced, like lots of other Americans who started playing guitar at my age because of the Beatles.

Now I can sound like the Beatles but I don't usually care if I sound like the Beatles, although I still care if I sound like the guitars on Humble Pie's "Rockin' the Fillmore."

And I could start talking about the first Cream albums, but not the first Hendrix albums -- which I liked but didn't make me want to sound like that for some reason.

And, the drum sound, man -- we were alway looking for someone who could make the drums sound like Ringo and George Martin did.

Now maybe we should get into a discussion of the chordal and harmonic differences between Beatles rock and roll and Yank rock and roll, which are considerable, but not song structurally so.

George Smith, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:21 (twenty years ago)

When I was buying the Beatles monaural recordings, the Capital originals, which you mostly don't have, they didn't make me burst with joy.

They were reissued on CD last year (mono & stereo) or is vinyl the only real thing?

Yes, yes, talk about the chordal and harmonic differences!

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:27 (twenty years ago)

As for "Bursting with Joy" with contemporaneous stuff, I remember getting a lot of mileage out of Nat King Cole's "Those Lazy Hazy Crazy Days of Summer," Rolf's "Tie Me Kangaroo Down Sport," "Sukiyaki" The Fireballs' "Bottle of Wine" album and assorted songs from the people who published MAD magazine.

George Smith, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:30 (twenty years ago)

Oh boy, that's complicated. OK, let's start with the harmonic differences, simply based on the electric guitars. The Beatles used Vox amplifiers which distort differently than what was available in the US.

Now I'm going to get a little technical but keep bringing it back to the non-technical for the discussion. We didn't know any of this back when the Beatles records were being released, and it might not have made any difference even if we did.

Vox amplifiers, those used by the Beatles, produced distortion based on a Class A power output circuit, rich in EVEN harmonics. Almost all the amplifiers kids like me could get in the US, were based electrically on what was called a Class A/B output circuit, which produced rock and roll distortion rich in ODD harmonics. That's the characteristic of Fender amps, which were the first amps of rock and roll in America, and later, Marshall amps, which sound different than Vox, too, and which invented a completely different form of power rock.

They all sound very good to the ear. But the subtle but powerful Beatle rhythm guitar sound, was very woody and warm, either darkly clean or just on the verge of breaking up, and it was unique to them, in part, because of the hardware at their disposal and the excellence with which they employed it.

Today, it's easy to root down and find the technical specs of this and duplicate it in cheap analog circuitry, and cheap software emulation. But it was by no means easy or clear to people at the time. We knew it sounded great and you tried to do it, and you came up short, but that, in turn, inspired a build on an American style of rock and roll.

So there were a lot of bands that played everywhere that were influenced by the Beatles very powerfully, that tried to emulate them, but which didn't sound like them at all. Talent aside, which is another variable. This is part of the equation.

And even now this discussion probably could stand a few more chapters, merely on the technical side, to do it justice. And I'll try to get to the chordal structures, at some point. It may take a little mnore thought.

George Smith, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:45 (twenty years ago)

By even and odd harmonics, are you talking about the even and odd numbered partials in the harmonic series?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:47 (twenty years ago)

Get as technical as you want, George -- this kinda thing is why I'm tackling a book on acoustics after I finish Please Kill Me.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:49 (twenty years ago)

Good Day Sunshine.

Jill, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:52 (twenty years ago)

The only George song that bursts with joy is "Here Comes The Sun."

Which must've been part Eric Clapton as he wrote it in his garden and the song sounds suspiciously like Badge by Cream (which he played rhythm on too).

Anyone know the deal with who deserves the credit for that song(s)?

Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:55 (twenty years ago)

I think, in terms of the compositions, it's not just the chords that are significant. When you say "chord structure," you're just talking about the progressions. I think compositional structure is maybe even more significant in these cases; that's why I was talking about the structure of "Please Please Me" earlier. The significance of the fact that the verse is so short (only two lines) is that it's like theyre just CLEARING IT AWAY in order to drive toward the chorus.

And the chorus, as I said earlier, is just this one line PEAK. So, yeah, it has something to do with melody - that note they hit in harmony on "Please PLEASE me, whoa yeah."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:56 (twenty years ago)

They were reissued on CD last year (mono & stereo) or is vinyl the only real thing?

Well, only the first four. The mono mixes are the ones to listen to on these but the stereo mixes are by no means bad. "Hold Me Tight," for example, on "Meet the Beatles" -- the drumming pummels in the middle section much more powerfully than in the stereo mix. Probably because of phase cancellation affecting the stereo mix and the way you hear it.

I bought "Beatles VI" and "Yesterday and Today," (known as the butcher album cover, although hardly anyone had it) and you don't get them with the revision. People have basically no idea what they sounded like the kids who bought them. "Dizzy Miss Lizzie" is now restored to part of "Help," but it was originally on "Beatles VI" and was one of my favorite tunes. Check that rhythm guitar and gouging fill work!

You also miss out on the George Martin/Broccoli James Bond-type theme music orchestral instros that filled out the American versions of "Hard Days Night" and "Help." And these were not things that ripped the listener off or diluted the rock. They were entirely consistent with the themes of the movies, what the fans saw and heard. They embellished the rock and roll in a cheesy as well as classy way. I thought the stuff was great. It disappeared in the great revision.

You can still find it. There's a Russian label, I'm not sure if it's legal, that publishes the Beatles titles in both forms, combined. They're real deals.

George Smith, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:57 (twenty years ago)

xpost to the amp talk...

George, I have to disagree. I think most people who use the term "harmonic" structure are referring to the chord changes or the vocal harmonies of the song rather than harmonic distortion. And I believe that the same performance of Please Please Me using tweed Fender amps or even recorded digitally would still have the same qualities that Tim describes as being joyful.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:57 (twenty years ago)

remove the word structure from the second sentence of my previous post.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:58 (twenty years ago)

Friends of Distinction-"Grazing in the Grass"
Troggs-"I Can't Control Myself"
Mud-"Tiger Feet"
Shadows of Knight-"Shake"
Johnny Rios & Us 4-"Bang Bang"
Mamas and the Papas-"I Saw Her Again Last Night"
The Five Du-Tones-"Shake a Tail Feather"
The Bay City Rollers-"Rock 'n' Roll Love Letter"
Mitch Ryder-"Jenny Take a Ride" (though if Little Richard isn't quite what you're looking for, I don't know if this'll be)
The Toys-"Lovers' Concerto"
The New York Dolls-"Trash"
The Quick-"Pretty Please Me"
Gabry Ponte feat. Little Tony-"Figli di Pitagora"

Arthur (Arthur), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:01 (twenty years ago)

Sunshowers is pretty joyful.

Yeah, I can't think of anything more joyful than a song dedicating your tears to someone who was gunned down in the street for running with the wrong crowd.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)

Also, "bursted" is a non-standard, archaic past tense that is no longer considered to be good usage.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:11 (twenty years ago)

I guess I should explain what I mean by phase cancellation with regards to Beatles recordings. It's easy to perceive if you've worked with digitial waveforms of stereo or mono recordings ripped to computer.

If you have a recording of a band, say mixed to one mono track. Make a copy of that, and pair it with the original. Pan one hard left and one hard right. You still have a mono mix. Now, if you bump one to lag behind the other by a few milliseconds, you get a pseudo-stereo mix and a good illustration of phase cancellation, as well as phase multiplication.

Harmonic peaks that lined up in the original mix, were congruent, will no longer align. Some will be opposed by harmonic valleys or dips in the spectrum, causing phase cancellation. In other instances, you will get reinforcement. It's a very powerful and effective tool in music mixing but it always produces changes on the way you hear and perceive things.

And this obviously and subtly happened with revisions in the Beatles catalog. Most people hear it. They suss that it's different, maybe not as good as they remembered. If you didn't hear the original, it may sound perfectly excellent to you.

I haven't read books on the Beatles but I would suspect that the primary albums were mixed to mono version because of the formats they were going to be played on. Cheap transistor radios with one three-inch speaker with virtually no bass response, the old cardboard box-sized 45 players with a coarse steele needle that was essentially held in a mini screw-loaded vise, and fairly new and shitty stereos.

George Smith, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:12 (twenty years ago)

I think, in terms of the compositions, it's not just the chords that are significant.

Of course they're not the only point of significance but the changes are pretty inseparable from the melody and the length of the verse and chorus sections (I think what you're referring to as compositional structure).

The verse in Please Please Me is pretty much nothing. It's a more rhythmically square echo of the lame opening harmonica line. After the first line of the verse there's a little ascending 3 chord rhythm guitar bit that's kind of cool. Then after the second line there's the PAUSE... dum dum, dum dum dum, COME ON... This is where the song kicks into gear with those ascending call and response harmonies that get farther away from the root only to return quickly home with the release of "Please please me oh yeah, like I please you." If the lyrics are important at all here it's the repetition of the word please that is the hook.

You're right in pointing out that the short resolution of the chorus is a significant feature. Compare to I Saw Her Standing There which climbs up with "I'll never dance with another" and then climbs back down equally slowly with the line "I saw her standing there." The exciting part of that song is the ending of the bridge with "and I held her hand in miiieeeeeene."

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:12 (twenty years ago)

When you said we were through last night
I was as low as a BURSTED balloon
But when you rang me this morning
My heart jumped over the moon

And now I'm Flying High - Just like those Thunderbird men
Flying High. Now that we're together again

When you are not in my arms, I'm a long, long way from heaven.
But when you say that you love me, very soon I'm doing Mach 7

Flying High Yeah! It's so wonderful to be alive
Flying High Just As high as Thunderbird 5.
Flying High, Flying High

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:14 (twenty years ago)

this thread is textbook stuff for what sucks about ILM. i can't believe people are accusing tim of being a dick when it was miccio who started the negativity, i.e.:

you're like Geir with extra b.s. sometimes, Tim.

i mean, shit, why not just compare him to hitler? around here, a comparison to geir is basically the same thing, the ILM version of Godwin's Law. it's a shitty thing to do, and anyone who does it knows EXACTLY what they're doing.

but then again ever since ILM's been half-taken over by the trife-harvell-etc. axis, half the time it seems like this place is really "I Love Music (But Hip-Hop Better Be Your Favorite Music, Or I'm Going to Call You a Racist)"...

ps. "Walkin' On Sunshine" is as good an answer as any.

enrico caruso, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:14 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I can't think of anything more joyful than a song dedicating your tears to someone who was gunned down in the street for running with the wrong crowd.

Yeah because that's the first thing I got from the song when I heard it.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:17 (twenty years ago)

jeez, way to bursted a thread. we are all dicks. and stars. and thunderbirds.

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scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:17 (twenty years ago)

Yellow Balloon kicks the shit out of the Beatles' joy.

David Oz, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:18 (twenty years ago)

Well, only the first four.

Since the Capitol box set was called "Volume 1" I assume there's going to be (at the very least) a "Volume 2."

I think A Hard Day's Night wasn't part of the box because (unlike Help!) the original US configuration was released by United Artists, not Capitol.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:18 (twenty years ago)

I think most people who use the term "harmonic" structure are referring to the chord changes or the vocal harmonies of the song rather than harmonic distortion. And I believe that the same performance of Please Please Me using tweed Fender amps or even recorded digitally would still have the same qualities that Tim describes as being joyful.

You may be right. But I've tightly defined what I mean. And the differences are subtle but powerful and additive. There's as much to be said for attention to the technical details as well as the broad strokes.

And I agree, "Please Please Me," well-played, would still sound joyful on Fender amps. But it wouldn't sound quite the same. The Beatles guitar sound did change and vary. The stuff that came off the roof for "Let it Be" was more obviously from Fenders. You can see them and it sounds like it. And the Vox stuff sounds good, but different, too, for many reasons.

It is true that the guitar sound of the player lies in his hands. Hardware doesn't erase that but it can change it and superimpose a tone that is specific to the hardware. Psychoacoustically, people can't always express what the difference is, but they will know it's there, they know it when they hear it. It's not good or bad, it's just the way of things.

George Smith, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:21 (twenty years ago)

I think A Hard Day's Night wasn't part of the box because (unlike Help!) the original US configuration was released by United Artists, not Capitol.

Yeah, that's exactly right. I'm suspecting my Russian edition is somewhat illegal because it delivers both the Parlophone edition and the United Artists version.

George Smith, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:24 (twenty years ago)

george, have you ever heard the mono version of sgt. pepper? it's very punchy.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:25 (twenty years ago)

Yeah because that's the first thing I got from the song when I heard it

Semi-nine and snipered him
On that wall they postered him
They cornered him
And then just murdered him
He siad he didn't know them
He wasn't there
They didn't know hime
They should him a picture then
"Ain't that you with the Muslims?"

BREEZY HAPPY GOOD TIME

The Ghost of She's Hot Ergo Her Songs Are Happy! (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:26 (twenty years ago)

george, have you ever heard the mono version of sgt. pepper? it's very punchy.

I don't know. I'm sure you're right. My standard line is that the first four Capital masters remasters to mono, were all more punchy and in-line with the originals. And that the "Hard Days Night" CD -- the Russian semi-legal weird edition, is also mono and with more impact than the stuff bought at Tower and BestBuy, but in line with my old vinyl.

George Smith, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:32 (twenty years ago)

how much does that boxed set of all the original u.k. albums go for? i want that more and more as time goes on.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:37 (twenty years ago)

What about that "I Don't Want to Work" song by Todd Rundgren? This thread would be great if it had that embedded.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:39 (twenty years ago)

"Blizkrieg Bop" by the Ramones (post watergate/texas chainsaw massacre 'joy', but joy nonetheless).

a lot of cheesy ska punk.

Loads of early rave actually.

Happy Hardcore for gods sakes.

-- Tom (freakytrigge...), July 19th, 2005.

OTM!

latebloomer: lazy r people (latebloomer), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:45 (twenty years ago)

Luomo!

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 02:46 (twenty years ago)

when i'm driving and "You Can't Sit Down" by The Dovells comes on the radio, I always think I'm gonna get into an accident cuz I go nuts. There is some SERIOUS burstedness in their version.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 03:00 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I love that song. I don't think I've heard it on the radio out here in LA in years.

I just remembered "Ride!" by Dee Dee Sharp. "Git it git it git it git it git it git it git it git it!"

Arthur (Arthur), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 03:10 (twenty years ago)

skot Otm about "I Saw Her Standing There" though. That one always has the power to amaze, even after a bazillionth time. Love love that stuttery roll Ringo does right before the chorus.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 03:16 (twenty years ago)

MASE -WELCOME BACK

jake b. (cerybut), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 03:21 (twenty years ago)

Since the Capitol box set was called "Volume 1" I assume there's going to be (at the very least) a "Volume 2."

Unless...

donut ferry (donut), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 03:40 (twenty years ago)

My Sharona!
Barbara Ann!
Can't Explain!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 04:22 (twenty years ago)

Ooh Child - Five Stairsteps.

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 04:41 (twenty years ago)

The Pillows - "Little Busters" & "Ride on Shooting Star"

theophilus jones (theophilus), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

"i mean, shit, why not just compare him to hitler? around here, a comparison to geir is basically the same thing, the ILM version of Godwin's Law. it's a shitty thing to do, and anyone who does it knows EXACTLY what they're doing."

See, anyone who hates on Geir is just being short-sighted. Or Hitler-esque.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:23 (twenty years ago)

WHERE IS THE LOVE FOR SAM COOKE?

"Wonderful World" owneth: But I do know one and one is two, and if this one, could be with you....

The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:24 (twenty years ago)

Woo. Glad I missed this one.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

I agree that those early Beatles songs seem to burst with joy. I feel that it is partly the joy of a young medium, or genre if you like. I think it was a good point that Tim Ellison made.

the blissfox, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

I think nickalicious was right when he said 'yes' in answer to the question though. There was something about his 'yes', so assured and confident, possibly a little weary. I'm amazed any doubt remained after that.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:32 (twenty years ago)

pineapples - "come on closer"

peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:32 (twenty years ago)

but yeah, pinefox OTM. tim's right that there are very few things as joyful.

peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:33 (twenty years ago)

mud "tiger feet"
rainbow "since you bin gone"
deep purple "speed king"
nena "99 red ballons"
police "every little thing she does is magic"
tempole tudor "swords of a thousand men"
vengaboys "boom boom boom boom " /"the vengabus is coming"
tatu "not gonna get us"
sugarcubes "hit"
thomas dolby "hyperactive"
beck "mixed bizness"
prince " raspberry beret" / "take me with u"
the embarrassment "sexy singer girl (she's coming on to me)"
buggles "video killed the radio star"
m "pop muzik"
gary numan "cars"
dexy's "come on eileen
darkness "growing on me"
weezer "buddy holly"
thin lizzy "boys are back in town"
frank zappa "peaches en regalia"
talking heads "road to nowhere"

bob snoom, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:59 (twenty years ago)

OMG yes - there is a reason that "Come On Eileen" is played at every wedding ever!

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

Are there any songs that BURST WITH JOY that aren't tinged with regret/melancholy at all?

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)

and dexy's "jackie wilson said..." too.
maybe ABC thelook of love (I know poison arrow is better but not as joyful)
d bowie "let's dance".
maybe it's ccoz you have to have something to burst with joy from and i'm not entirely sure about the beatles stated desires with there alignment to the uptempo major key thing they got going. "WANT" to hold my hand indeed get offit you creepy scousers. and "please please me" is squalid desperation. not bust w / joy - a dingey desperate dog-shagging-yr-leg hope perhaps?

bob snoom, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

at least it wasn't 'I Need To Hold Your Hand' and 'Please Please Please PLEASE Please Me'.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)

Search: The Homer and Jethro version of "I Wanna Hold Your Hand"

k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

'Let's Dance' is very tinged with melancholy!

the bellefox, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:36 (twenty years ago)

Has nobody really mentioned mid-late 90s girl bands?

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)

I would say 'Wannabe' and 'C'est La Vie' are without a doubt bursting with joy to the same level that 60s Beatles is.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

Has Any Music Ever *BURSTED WITH JOY* to the Same Extent as Early Beatles Songs Such as "I Want to Hold Your Hand" and "Please Please Me?"

Yes. "And Your Bird Can Sing" - The Beatles.

PB, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

See, anyone who hates on Geir is just being short-sighted. Or Hitler-esque.

wtf? i can't tell whether you're (a) trying to be funny (b) purposely misrepresenting my point or (c) just didn't read my post properly.

enrico caruso, Wednesday, 20 July 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

"No Xmas for J.Quays"

Mark G, Friday, 15 February 2008 10:20 (eighteen years ago)

Love Shack.

Scik Mouthy, Friday, 15 February 2008 10:42 (eighteen years ago)

The New Pornographers, Sing Me Spanish Techno.

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 15 February 2008 12:16 (eighteen years ago)

SECONDED!

Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 15 February 2008 12:17 (eighteen years ago)

"When your dream of perfect beauty comes true" by Bill Nelson.

Rob M v2, Friday, 15 February 2008 12:42 (eighteen years ago)

Can't remember if I ever answered this one, but I'm too lazy to go back and look, so...

"The You & Me Song" by the Wannadies
"Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah" by The Wedding Present

and, of course...

"We Have Joy" by Killing Joke

Alex in NYC, Friday, 15 February 2008 13:42 (eighteen years ago)

Cheryl Lynn's "To Be Real" mentioned years upthread. A couple of other big hits from that epoch that give me the same giddy, bursting-with-joy helium buzz:

Emotions - Best of My Love
Natalie Cole - This Will Be (An Everlasting Love)

briania, Friday, 15 February 2008 13:57 (eighteen years ago)

Hey Ya!

kornrulez6969, Friday, 15 February 2008 14:20 (eighteen years ago)

Lots of ska/rock steady/early reggae - Desmond Dekker, for example.

chap, Friday, 15 February 2008 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

'Your Name Is Wild' - Guided By Voices (actually several - 'Echoes Myron' 'Game of Pricks' 'I Am A Scientist' etc)

'Regret' - New Order

BlackIronPrison, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:01 (eighteen years ago)

"Last night, I had a dream about you..."

Bodrick III, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

http://pop.youtube.com/watch?v=vfOJ3HSOsMw&feature=related

Bodrick III, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

Long Dark Road – The Hollies
I Get So Excited – Ian Hunter
I Wish I Was Your Mother – Mott the Hoople / Ian
Roll Away The Stone – Mott the Hoople
James – Laid
Journey – Any Way You Want It
Cracklin' Rosie – Neil Diamond
Bat Macumba – Os Mutantes
Common People – Pulp
It's The End of the World As We Know it – REM
Ballroom Blitz – Sweet (/and lots of others by Sweet, too)

remy bean, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

I'm not sure I understood Tim's purpose in starting this thread. Was he sincerely looking for examples or just looking to immediately dismiss people's answers? Disagreements which are inevitable when talking about something completely subjective like one's own personal joy-detector?

Anyways, I've heard a lot of music; but there's such an infinite range of human emotion that it's not inconceivable that NO songs capture that joy-burst in the exact way that Tim detects (as I imagine he does.) Given a couple of hours, I could name dozens. "Da Doo Ron Ron" and "Dance To The Music" are the first to come to mind.

Myonga Vön Bontee, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

Black Sabbath-Falling off the Edge of the World

Bill Magill, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:56 (eighteen years ago)

Common People is too angry to really burst with joy in the way I Wanna Hold Your Hand does.

Daft Punk - One More Time, on the other hand...

Matt DC, Friday, 15 February 2008 16:59 (eighteen years ago)

Don't Stop - Fleetwood Mac
Letter From An Occupant - New Pornographers
Everything You've Done Wrong - Sloan
September Gurls - Big Star
Head Over Heels - Tears For Fears
You're Quiet - Brenden Benson
Senses Working Overtime - XTC
Heartbeat - Tahiti 80
If I Should Fall From Grace From God - Pogues
The Ocean In-Between - Matthew Sweet
Ray of Light - Madonna
Head Over Heels/Our Lips Are Sealed/We Got The Beat - Go Go's
Sun Hits The Sky/Cheapskate - Supergrass
Human Torch - Fastball
Let's Get Ready to Crumble - Russian Futurists
Lover's Rights - Rosebuds
Throwaway Style - Exploding Hearts
Hold Back The Rain - Duran Duran
Where The Streets Have No Name - Pet Shop Boys
Just What I Needed - Cars
Red Dragon Tatoo/Survival Car - Fountains of Wayne

Christopher Davis, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:47 (eighteen years ago)

Was he sincerely looking for examples or just looking to immediately dismiss people's answers?
Based on what I just skim-read of this thread, the latter. Beatles Beatles blah blah argh

Colonel Poo, Friday, 15 February 2008 17:59 (eighteen years ago)

Black Flag-Room 13

Bill Magill, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:08 (eighteen years ago)

I'm a huge fan myself, and could probably have named a half-dozen Beatles tracks more "bursting with joy" (to me) than the ones he mentioned. Would he have argued against those too?

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Myonga Vön Bontee, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:14 (eighteen years ago)

The more I read these answers, the more I think the answer is "no." Those early Beatles records had some unbridled energy that's hard to deny.

Jazzbo, Friday, 15 February 2008 18:18 (eighteen years ago)

"It Won't Be Long" is pretty beatific, I think what Tim means resides mainly in the vocalizing? I dunno, he's right--but a lot of disco does this in some reversal-world way, and a lot of Al Green does it too. Cory Daye on Dr. Buzzard's Original Savannah Band sounds as plump and beautiful and happy as she seems to have been back then, bursting

whisperineddhurt, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:29 (eighteen years ago)

stevie wonder

Jordan, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:31 (eighteen years ago)

"Fascination" by Alphabeat.

daavid, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:34 (eighteen years ago)

Beethoven's 9th, duh

sexyDancer, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:37 (eighteen years ago)

stevie wonder

Yeah, Sir Duke alone is like some kinda aural SSRI drug.

dell, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:37 (eighteen years ago)

Stevie Wonder for the win.

ablaeser, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:47 (eighteen years ago)

yup, i should just remember to play that tune and 'uptight' on a loop for the month of january.

Jordan, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:48 (eighteen years ago)

The Cure's "Hey You!!!" comes to mind.

Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 15 February 2008 23:04 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, Uptight was one of the others that came immediately to mind.

dell, Friday, 15 February 2008 23:05 (eighteen years ago)

The Who's Pictures of Lily!

fukasaku tollbooth, Friday, 15 February 2008 23:06 (eighteen years ago)

"Linus and Lucy" - Vince Gauraldi:
url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=vs-nXoVpNlY

"Blue Rondo a la Turk" - Dave Brubeck:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kc34Uj8wlmE

"New Frontier" - Donald Fagen:
url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=IRrCZCN8Kj0

"Every 1's A Winner" - Hot Chocolate:
url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=J-GkwIRbLw8

Eazy, Friday, 15 February 2008 23:58 (eighteen years ago)

I don't believe it's been mentioned yet - but damn - Kinks songs brim with good feeling - who can't settle back in the easy chair and smile to 'Waterloo Sunset' 'Picture Book' 'Susanah's still alive' etc.

BlackIronPrison, Saturday, 16 February 2008 05:07 (eighteen years ago)

The Buzzcocks!

Nate Carson, Saturday, 16 February 2008 20:24 (eighteen years ago)

I don't really think of those songs as "bursting with joy" so much as "coming apart at the seems with cheerfulness"

Hurting 2, Saturday, 16 February 2008 20:26 (eighteen years ago)

the beatles ones I mean

Hurting 2, Saturday, 16 February 2008 20:26 (eighteen years ago)

whatever happened to tim e?

gershy, Saturday, 16 February 2008 20:29 (eighteen years ago)

where does the tim e go?

Hurting 2, Saturday, 16 February 2008 20:32 (eighteen years ago)

who knows

gershy, Saturday, 16 February 2008 20:34 (eighteen years ago)

he bursted

scott seward, Saturday, 16 February 2008 20:57 (eighteen years ago)

I was gonna post FreshenUpGum.jpg, but all those nostalgia junkie websites got their servers sewn up.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Sunday, 17 February 2008 04:57 (eighteen years ago)

I'm kinda shocked James Brown never came up in this thread before this post!

Mackro Mackro, Sunday, 17 February 2008 05:12 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I'll be doggone. Oh wait.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Sunday, 17 February 2008 05:16 (eighteen years ago)

The more I read these answers, the more I think the answer is "no."

i used to think the answer was "no" until i heard green's first album.

Lawrence the Looter, Sunday, 17 February 2008 08:30 (eighteen years ago)

The Mice - Second Best
The Everly Brothers - Wake up little Suzie
Bonnie Lou - Dancing In My Socks
etc.

CaptainLorax, Monday, 18 February 2008 19:57 (eighteen years ago)

Phish - Bouncing around the room etc.
Widespread Panic - The Waker etc.
Grateful Dead - St Stephen etc.

CaptainLorax, Monday, 18 February 2008 20:08 (eighteen years ago)

i used to think the answer was "no" until i heard green's first album.

Yeah, those guys don't get enough credit.

dell, Monday, 18 February 2008 20:13 (eighteen years ago)

bursting with joy is a difficult emotion to approximate... after looking at my choices I'm sure I could find more upbeat - burstingly happy songs

CaptainLorax, Monday, 18 February 2008 20:15 (eighteen years ago)

chicago - saturday in the park

CaptainLorax, Monday, 18 February 2008 22:59 (eighteen years ago)

Do the hustle!

Eazy, Monday, 18 February 2008 23:03 (eighteen years ago)

the free design done bursted all over me!

http://mikedaisey.com/images/free_design.jpg

scott seward, Monday, 18 February 2008 23:33 (eighteen years ago)

then they got all sad.

scott seward, Monday, 18 February 2008 23:33 (eighteen years ago)

white stripes - fell in love with a girl?

filthy dylan, Monday, 18 February 2008 23:42 (eighteen years ago)

i'm sure it's already been said, but "signed, sealed, delivered" is probably the most joyful song ever recorded, IMHO.

Emily Bjurnhjam, Tuesday, 19 February 2008 02:27 (eighteen years ago)

This was one of the funniest threads I've ever read.

Sundar, Tuesday, 19 February 2008 02:48 (eighteen years ago)

ElectroSoul in the same vein as Jamie Liddell, Hot Chip, etc.

deej, Tuesday, 19 February 2008 02:57 (eighteen years ago)

Junior Senior - "Move Your Feet"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKcDa0Kp2K8

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 19 February 2008 03:39 (eighteen years ago)

Swans - "Beautiful Child"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EayNRh_PkBc

stephen, Tuesday, 19 February 2008 03:50 (eighteen years ago)

"Fascination" by Alphabeat.

-- daavid, Friday, 15 February 2008 22:34

damn right, and the frankmusik remix is that to the power of 10 - fucking *devastating*

http://www.iheartcomix.com/blog/franki/alphabeats-vs-frankmusik-fascination-club-edit

Bill A, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 23:40 (eighteen years ago)

The Heliocentric World of the Nephews.

ian, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 23:47 (eighteen years ago)

Might as well throw "Fascination" by the Human League in there, too.

Eazy, Thursday, 21 February 2008 07:30 (eighteen years ago)

Someone mentioned 'exploding hearts' already - I'll definitely echo that you can't but feel 'bursting with joy' there - also - Jason Falkner's early solo work has quite a few that would qualify.

BlackIronPrison, Thursday, 21 February 2008 22:22 (eighteen years ago)

Loads of early rave actually.

Happy Hardcore for gods sakes.

-- Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:43 (2 years ago) Link

rockapads, Friday, 22 February 2008 01:05 (eighteen years ago)

two months pass...

How about Andrew W.K.'s entire catalogue?

makeitpop, Thursday, 24 April 2008 16:13 (seventeen years ago)

"it takes two" rob base & dj ez rock

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 24 April 2008 16:19 (seventeen years ago)

How about almost every song on Albert Ayler's New Grass. Pure ecstatic joy.

(I didn't read any of this thread, by the way.)

RabiesAngentleman, Thursday, 24 April 2008 16:27 (seventeen years ago)

Scooter

gnarly sceptre, Thursday, 24 April 2008 17:22 (seventeen years ago)

I'll echo the dudes who mentioned the Everly Brothers. In fact, it seems as if the bursting-with-joy sound of early British Invasion is due in large part to "Wake Up Little Susie" and "Bye Bye Love."

QuantumNoise, Thursday, 24 April 2008 17:27 (seventeen years ago)

"Sleigh Ride" by the Ronettes (from A Christmas Gift for You from Phil Spector)

o. nate, Thursday, 24 April 2008 17:40 (seventeen years ago)

Inner City - Good Life

Lolpez, Friday, 25 April 2008 18:28 (seventeen years ago)

four years pass...

http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/BU/The_Phi_Mu_Washboard_Band_-_8_Mamma_Dont_Allow.mp3

crütis what we aim for (unregistered), Saturday, 8 September 2012 18:32 (thirteen years ago)

Andrew WK.

Poliopolice, Saturday, 8 September 2012 18:57 (thirteen years ago)

"uptight (everything's alright)"

billstevejim, Saturday, 8 September 2012 20:44 (thirteen years ago)

Mmmbop.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 8 September 2012 21:20 (thirteen years ago)

Jackson 5.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 8 September 2012 21:20 (thirteen years ago)

Pretty much all 70s Stevie Wonder.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 8 September 2012 21:20 (thirteen years ago)

Love Shack.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 8 September 2012 21:21 (thirteen years ago)

Groove Is In The Heart.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 8 September 2012 21:21 (thirteen years ago)

KEEP THS CUSTOMER SATISFIED!

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 8 September 2012 21:31 (thirteen years ago)

And, you know, shitloads more.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 8 September 2012 21:31 (thirteen years ago)

Early Beatles holds that same factor as Nirvana at their best. Something that transcends the sum of its parts.

This Is... The Police (dog latin), Saturday, 8 September 2012 21:53 (thirteen years ago)

bbut factors are by definition the sum of their parts

you lost me at "chill" (Matt P), Saturday, 8 September 2012 21:55 (thirteen years ago)

XTC - "Burning With Optimism's Flame" is like Beatles^2

He revs the language like a hypersonic superbike. (bernard snowy), Saturday, 8 September 2012 22:03 (thirteen years ago)

(literally: XTC strike me as being a buncha squares, at least once they kicked out Barry Whatshisname)

He revs the language like a hypersonic superbike. (bernard snowy), Saturday, 8 September 2012 22:04 (thirteen years ago)

Animal Collective - Who Could Win a Rabbit?

Moka, Sunday, 9 September 2012 01:55 (thirteen years ago)

seven years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeGdJgWXJ6Q

stop trying to make fetch the bolt cutters happen (unregistered), Friday, 29 May 2020 03:53 (five years ago)

No. People should stop making music now.
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, July 19, 2005 12:52 PM bookmarkflaglink

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Friday, 29 May 2020 04:45 (five years ago)

this song immediately came to mind when i saw the thread title:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GssZV7H5Tw

alpine static, Friday, 29 May 2020 05:09 (five years ago)

"Da Doo Ron Ron"!

Sam Weller, Friday, 29 May 2020 09:18 (five years ago)

Beatles - Everybody's Got Something to Hide Except Me and My Monkey
Lesley Gore - Sunshine Lollipops and Rainbows

Hideous Lump, Friday, 29 May 2020 21:11 (five years ago)

The Impressions, "We're A Winner"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLMRzDFMvEo

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 30 May 2020 16:19 (five years ago)

strat looks good on curtis

budo jeru, Saturday, 30 May 2020 19:23 (five years ago)

kylie minogue

crystal-brained yogahead (map), Saturday, 30 May 2020 20:19 (five years ago)

one track i've probably listened to over a hundred times, maybe two hundred, in the past few years is "escapade" by janet jackson. it is all the joy berries, an essential distillation of the joy of life, the blues, transcendence, ecstasy passion and pain and transforms me for at least a few seconds literally every time i listen to it.

crystal-brained yogahead (map), Saturday, 30 May 2020 20:22 (five years ago)

oh man that tripping daisy track is great, never heard that before

crystal-brained yogahead (map), Saturday, 30 May 2020 20:27 (five years ago)

there's a lot of emotions in this tbh but it's cathartic in like a joyful way i think. ghostface at his best is high joy vibration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYx7uzzlhzY

crystal-brained yogahead (map), Saturday, 30 May 2020 20:30 (five years ago)

five years pass...

Uh, there are like 500 Northern Soul songs that do this. It’s why I love the genre so much!

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 2 December 2025 19:51 (two months ago)

^^otm

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 December 2025 19:53 (two months ago)

ike & tina, "river deep mountain high." absolutely hair-raising. can't even catch my breath for the emotion when i attempt to sing along.

andrew m., Tuesday, 2 December 2025 21:18 (two months ago)

cornier answer: "joy," silverbullit aka citizen bird

andrew m., Tuesday, 2 December 2025 21:18 (two months ago)

"sense," "life of riley," lightning seeds

andrew m., Tuesday, 2 December 2025 21:19 (two months ago)

Lmao at OP's list of the top Beatles songs that contains some of their worst songs.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Tuesday, 2 December 2025 21:44 (two months ago)

it's not that bad - I'm a big fan of "All My Loving" and "Please Please Me"

c u (crüt), Tuesday, 2 December 2025 21:50 (two months ago)

I love both those songs! You have to be Paul McCartney to think that Hey Jude and Hello Goodbye are top 10 Beatles songs.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Tuesday, 2 December 2025 21:54 (two months ago)

tbf Hey Jude being top 10 is far from an unpopular opinion!!

c u (crüt), Tuesday, 2 December 2025 21:58 (two months ago)

fwiw here's the top 20 from the actual ilx Beatles poll:

1 A Day In The Life (Points: 717, Votes: 25, NumberOnes: 6)
2 Strawberry Fields Forever (Points: 703, Votes: 26, NumberOnes: 3)
3 Tomorrow Never Knows (Points: 590, Votes: 24, NumberOnes: 2)
4 Dear Prudence (Points: 543, Votes: 22, NumberOnes: 3)
5 Ticket To Ride (Points: 537, Votes: 21, NumberOnes: 1)
6 Happiness is a Warm Gun (Points: 512, Votes: 20, NumberOnes: 3)
7 For No One (Points: 495, Votes: 20, NumberOnes: 0)
8 I Am The Walrus (Points: 472, Votes: 22, NumberOnes: 0)
9 I'm only sleeping (Points: 445, Votes: 18, NumberOnes: 0)
10 Hey Bulldog (Points: 434, Votes: 19, NumberOnes: 1)
11 We Can Work It Out (Points: 432, Votes: 18, NumberOnes: 0)
12 And Your Bird Can Sing [19= Anthology 2 version] (Points: 415, Votes: 17, NumberOnes: 1)
13 In My Life (Points: 389, Votes: 19, NumberOnes: 0)
14 Penny Lane (Points: 370, Votes: 16, NumberOnes: 2)
15 Paperback Writer (Points: 369, Votes: 16, NumberOnes: 1)
16 You Never Give Me Your Money (Points: 366, Votes: 15, NumberOnes: 2)
17 She Loves You (Points: 360, Votes: 14, NumberOnes: 0)
18 Rain (Points: 355, Votes: 14, NumberOnes: 1)
19 Long Long Long (Points: 347, Votes: 13, NumberOnes: 1)
20 Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown) (Points: 329, Votes: 16, NumberOnes: 0)

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 2 December 2025 22:11 (two months ago)

cmd-f "Tighten Up", nada, wtf

hey man, smell my finger, then another finger, then cigarette (WmC), Tuesday, 2 December 2025 22:42 (two months ago)

I Just Can’t Stop Dancing

Modollno Kahn (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 3 December 2025 00:12 (two months ago)

tbf Hey Jude being top 10 is far from an unpopular opinion!!

― c u (crüt), Tuesday, December 2, 2025 4:58 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

It may be popular with normies, but I would think ilx would be better, which apparently it is based on the ilx top 20 tipsy posted.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Wednesday, 3 December 2025 16:51 (two months ago)

I think some of the early Rolling Stones songs have the same youthful joyful giddiness to them - I'm thinking in particular of their cover of "Mercy, Mercy." There's a particular quality that I think the original post is trying to get at, of the musicians seeming like they are joyful just to be performing the song, whatever it is. Like the essence of the line from "Shine a Light," "make every song you sing your favorite tune." I also hear it in "Another Saturday Night" by Sam Cooke.

Lily Dale, Wednesday, 3 December 2025 18:19 (two months ago)

joyfully in an awful way

andrew m., Wednesday, 3 December 2025 19:31 (two months ago)

Some Motown songs from this period have a similar contagious feeling of excitement , eg the Miracles “Mickey’s Monkey” also 1963.

o. nate, Wednesday, 3 December 2025 19:36 (two months ago)

needle in a haystack, for eg

fpsa, Thursday, 4 December 2025 02:20 (two months ago)

"Mickey's Monkey" a perfect example.

Nicholas Raybeat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 4 December 2025 02:50 (two months ago)

Also 1963, "The Monkey Time," written by Curtis Mayfield and performed by Major Lance.

Nicholas Raybeat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 4 December 2025 02:51 (two months ago)


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