why does dissensus think ILM is envious of it?

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LOL

― mwahahah, Monday, 10 October 2005 09:42 (twenty years ago)

Ahh, message board feuds. 1997 was a lovely year.

― Øystein (Øystein), Monday, 10 October 2005 09:48 (twenty years ago)

i think i've quit dissensus. i find it impossible to keep away from ilx, at some risk to my employment, but dissensus is piss-easy to keep away from. i don't see *any way* *at all* in which ilx has something to envy, because ilx brings the lols day in day out. dissensus has never made me laugh ONCE, it has an insanely homogenous pool of like-minded people posting which makes it very, very tedious, and it's got a shit interface.

― N_RQ, Monday, 10 October 2005 09:51 (twenty years ago)

i have a shit interface too, i call mine a toilet

― jimmy glass (electricsound), Monday, 10 October 2005 09:56 (twenty years ago)

Is it fair to say the average ILxor hasn't visited dissensus even once? (Myself? About five times, tops.)

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 10 October 2005 09:58 (twenty years ago)

"it has an insanely homogenous pool of like-minded people posting which makes it very, very tedious"

indeedy
constantly patting each other on the back and rhetorically sucking each other off
for a board called dissensus, not much intra-dissension going on at all

― mwahah, Monday, 10 October 2005 10:02 (twenty years ago)

Can we not do the feudin' thing please? People starting their own MBs cos they didn't like the way things happened elsewhere = GOOD THING, be it Dissensus or the Noize Bored or whatever, it's how ILM got started too.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 10 October 2005 10:03 (twenty years ago)

I posted on one thread and then never really looked again.

it seemed a jungle of misunderstandings/misinterpretations though perhaps I wasn't sufficiently articulate.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 10 October 2005 10:05 (twenty years ago)

But Tom they started it!!!

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 10 October 2005 10:06 (twenty years ago)

Also it's karma for the billions of Pitchfork threads I guess.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 10 October 2005 10:20 (twenty years ago)

to be fair, dissensus says stuff about ILX relatively often, and 'the ilxor' is as much a dissensus straw man as the 'aging wire reader' is here.

― N_RQ, Monday, 10 October 2005 10:24 (twenty years ago)

Ha ha I think that every possible complaint anybody could ever have about ILx is already the subject of at least five threads here -- any board-war would be strangled in the crib due to massive redundancy.

I have no opinion about dissensus, one way or the highway.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 10 October 2005 10:25 (twenty years ago)

Both boards must look each other and see their worst features magnified.

― edward o (edwardo), Monday, 10 October 2005 10:26 (twenty years ago)

What other ILXors post there? I sorta asked this the other day and was very rudely ignored. Tim posts there. How bad can it be? I would hardly call him homogenous. I had never looked at it before someone posted that link on that recent thread.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 10 October 2005 10:42 (twenty years ago)

stelfox, guy named own (i think), cozen, me, marcello used to.

― N_RQ, Monday, 10 October 2005 10:43 (twenty years ago)

posted there a couple of times but it feels a bit too fanatical for this dilettant (whereas with ILM the balance is still a bit flatter).

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 10 October 2005 10:48 (twenty years ago)

most things in the world are not enjoyable - if music consciously/unconsciously reflects that, well, I find that interesting.

Well, we all know that deriving pleasure and enjoyment from music isn't nearly as much fun as making the listener feel as miserable as possible, don't we? As if there weren't enough reminders around ramming it into our heads on a daily basis that "most things in the world are not enjoyable."

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 10 October 2005 11:24 (twenty years ago)

And the truth is necessarily more complex than either of these over-generalised statements.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 10 October 2005 11:25 (twenty years ago)

How to spot someone from Dissensus:

― Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Monday, 10 October 2005 11:26 (twenty years ago)

[img]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/Moctezumo/fat-chick.jpg[/img]

― Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Monday, 10 October 2005 11:26 (twenty years ago)

wtf?!??

[img=http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/Moctezumo/fat-chick.jpg]

― Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Monday, 10 October 2005 11:27 (twenty years ago)

[img url=http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/Moctezumo/fat-chick.jpg]

how come i cant do html?/

― Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Monday, 10 October 2005 11:27 (twenty years ago)

This board looks like windows 3.1 and I can't do html!

― Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Monday, 10 October 2005 11:28 (twenty years ago)

Maybe you should go onto Dissensus JW, you might liven things up a bit there!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 10 October 2005 11:30 (twenty years ago)

And if Dissensus really want to be taken seriously then they have to stop drawing idiotic parallels between people who don't agree with them and "fascism" or "the enemy."

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 10 October 2005 11:40 (twenty years ago)

only a rockist would say that

― one eye white, one eye black (FE7), Monday, 10 October 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

i wz gonna say, dissensus could never have evolved into the noise board the way ilx has.

― N_RQ, Monday, 10 October 2005 11:54 (twenty years ago)

The other v. important thing is that Dissensus is, what, a year old now? For ILM's first 6 months at least it was all people agreeing with each other, delighted that they/we had found a forum to agree with. All online communities go through this phase, and a phase of defining themselves against something else too. I'd guess Dissensus' peak is still about a year away maybe, and then assuming it gets big enough it has to decide what it does with real actual dissent, whether it locks itself down to preserve the 'ideals' of the place, how it deals with trolls, stagnation etc. (Old ILM vs Nu ILM!). Community building is an exciting thing to be involved with and a massive headache and of course the hardcore posters are going to develop a bunker mentality, it's the internet for goodness sakes.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 10 October 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)

Tom brings teh sanity.

― alext (alext), Monday, 10 October 2005 12:19 (twenty years ago)

Yes fear my threadkilling reasonableness.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 10 October 2005 12:23 (twenty years ago)

tom is on a whole pile of money, but hating can be fun.

― N_RQ, Monday, 10 October 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)

I barely have time for ILX in my life, let alone Dissensus, although I did register when it started.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 10 October 2005 12:27 (twenty years ago)

I think a lot of dissensus's stuffy credentialism is down to its formatting. It's simply not as easy to either post or read quickly as ILM, so if it tried to live by the same "anything goes" maxim as ILM it would very quickly become unreasonable. Once you get used to one approach it makes working with the other hard to adjust to.

People on both sides are occasionally guilty of taking solitary posts on the other board and pretending it represents the views of the entire board.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 10 October 2005 12:30 (twenty years ago)

The whole spectrum of human life is guilty of that, Tim.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 10 October 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)

Yes - I had to reword that particular sentence because I realised it implicated me as meta-guilty!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 10 October 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

[img]http://goat.cx/hello.jpg[/img]

― Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Monday, 10 October 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

LOL

― Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Monday, 10 October 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

but hating can be fun

Hating fun can be even more fun.

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:01 (twenty years ago)

dissensus is the anti-fun though...

― N_RQ, Monday, 10 October 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

jonothong, that ain't html.

― marc h. (marc h.), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

need to use pointy. < >

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

THAT IS WHAT DISSENSUS PEOPLE POST LIKE.

― Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

Dissensus people drive a car like this.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

EXACTLY

― Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

Dissensus people drive a car like this.

You can't drive a car in your parents' basement.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

What matters is that you don't enjoy driving the car. And that the car is a car.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

http://www.gicf.cqdweb.co.uk/Printpics/JimmyCarr.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)

That's what everyone on Dissensus looks like.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)

"OUR INTERNERT CIRCLE JERK IS BETTER THAN YOURS!!!"

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 10 October 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)

haha silly jon, bbcode is for phpboardx0r.

― donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Monday, 10 October 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

msg board GANG WARZ

― RED HOOK Noize pwns Bushwick Trust Fund Babies (mookie wilson), Monday, 10 October 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

"OUR INTERNERT CIRCLE JERK IS BETTER THAN YOURS!!!"

DAMN RIGHT, IT'S BETTER THAN YOURS
I COULD TEACH YOU BUT I HAVE TO CHARGE

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 10 October 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

I hate Dissensus so much right now!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 10 October 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

I posted on dissensus a couple times, like a few of the blogs written by its residents. Haven't paid too much attention to the music section lately, since it seems like every thread turns into a discussion of at least two philosophies, or gnosticism, or how things relate to the UK grime guys that post regularly. There's some good stuff in there, though.

I also used to/still post occasionally to barbelith, there's some cross-culture with ILM on that front, too...

― mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 10 October 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

"OUR INTERNERT CIRCLE JERK IS BETTER THAN YOURS!!!"
-- M@tt He1geson

Hahahaha yes indeed

― moley, Monday, 10 October 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

the funny thing about most dissensians is that they all like to foam violently at the mouth over the broadsheets and well, all journalists that arent on dissensus, but the way most of them write is just as stuffy, just as typically white/middle class, and just as 'outsider'-ish as most broadsheets! they just cant help bringing up the homophobia in dancehall, its ' constant innovation', etc etc -not that those topics arent valid but there IS more to dancehall than that - how many times must those things be brought into focus?

― haterade, Monday, 10 October 2005 20:22 (twenty years ago)

This thread is not the ILX I like.

― Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Monday, 10 October 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

It really was just one aside by some guy on that other board, this thread is guilty of some horrible generalizing.

― mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 10 October 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)

IMPROVE YOUR GENERALIZING, ILM

― The Ghost of My Takeaway From The Thread (Dan Perry), Monday, 10 October 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

HEY DICKENNESUS! ILM IS TEH ROXXX0R

PWN3D!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 10 October 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

In Koganian terms I think ILM enacts the merits/perils of schoolhall discourse. Dissensus that of the... library? That said, I am enjoying the Simon/Tim exchange on Dissensus very much. That kind of extended dialogue doesn't seem possible on ILM anymore.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 10 October 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

Where the fuck is my mojo? Do you have it? Maybe you?

― Lukas (lukas), Monday, 10 October 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

haha dom thats actually what you look like in my mind!

dissensus ate the ILX grime threads. which i feel a bit sad about.

i personally feel that ILM is my favourite board for music and anything and i would prefer to read it to any music magazine, other webzine etc.

remember that there have been times when ILE people have been rather snooty about ILM but the mixture of banality, vitriol. hive mind, stupid jokes, boredom, barren periods, excitement, knowledge, advice and interesting arguments about music are what draws me to ILX. and I havent found anythign else that does all of those things to the same degree. eg Dissensus is not "silly" at all, therefore like green and blacks 70% cocoa chocolate, i can only take a bit at a time.

― ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 10 October 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

oh i think JtN said what I wanted to say except he was using the Dissensus voice!

― ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 10 October 2005 21:13 (twenty years ago)

Is it fair to say the average ILxor hasn't visited dissensus even once?

Never been there until I clicked on the link at the top of the thread. Will I be going back? NRQ answers the question for me:

ilx brings the lols day in day out. dissensus has never made me laugh ONCE

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 09:03 (twenty years ago)

DISSENSITES ARE ALL CLOSET GREBOES ADMIT IT

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 09:05 (twenty years ago)

Woebot has now waded into the thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Noah Baby Food
Christ. Can I have some "grime spam", please?

Part of me finds interjections like this funny. Its kind of like the relationship between the arch-communist theorists and the rabble, and in that sense these kind of remarks don't actually impinge the flow of the discourse. They can even pepper it up, especially as their moronic qualities are suitably lumpen and nicely shade the hair-shirt accusations the board is fielding...

But *really* it's probably better that if people find a thread goes over their head, or they dont (sic) have the stomach for it dont (sic) comment.

I wonder how the average Dissensite must feel knowing inwardly that their "leader" despises them so much?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 09:33 (twenty years ago)

"Its kind of like the relationship between the arch-communist theorists and the rabble, and in that sense these kind of remarks don't actually impinge the flow of the discourse."

i wonder how many grime artists would understand a dissensus thread.

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 09:42 (twenty years ago)

dissensus makes me laugh ALL THE TIME

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 09:43 (twenty years ago)

Tim F's capitalised IN NINETEEN NINETY-NINE was the funniest bit of that thread!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 09:45 (twenty years ago)

TS: intentional humour Vs. unintentional humour

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 09:46 (twenty years ago)

dissensus is looking much more usable these days! (haha i.e., like ilx)

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 09:57 (twenty years ago)

Yeah I hadn't looked at it since it was all brooding and black until I clicked on hold tight's link, the interface looks much nicer, well done Dissensus massive. I'm still not going to read it though, I'm way too thin-skinned.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:01 (twenty years ago)

when you log in it goes back to black!

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:04 (twenty years ago)

Ah well OK then, the true fans understand no doubt.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:06 (twenty years ago)

You can adjust it back to white in yr settings N_RQ

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:29 (twenty years ago)

not true NRQ, i just tried? they let you choose yr. "skin".

load times are still sort of frustrating tho.

xpost with Tim.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:37 (twenty years ago)

i don't have the stomach for abstract discussions about "music" qua "music" these days i suppose is the thing (+ am cut off from grime and don't get why ppl. on dissensus are all about dancehall still when clearly one should be following reggaeton more closely at the moment)

all v. "popist" values i suppose.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:38 (twenty years ago)

If Dissensus had a interdisciplinary collective Masters degree - what would it be ?

Cultural Studies + [Cognitive & Social] Psychology + Philosophy + Sociology + Anthropology + Media Studies + Politics + Information Systems + Cognitive Science + Cybernetics + Music Technology

Maybe, k-punk can devise a suitable syllabus?

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:57 (twenty years ago)

Martian wins.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:59 (twenty years ago)

golf green studies

― terry lennox. (gareth), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:59 (twenty years ago)

Navel-grazing studies, associate's degree.

― Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 11:21 (twenty years ago)

YES, LET ME BE THE FIRST TO DROP THIS BOMBSHELL:

*Everyone* who reads Decensus eats their own BELLY BUTTON LINT.

Perhaps their toe cheese too?

― Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 11:25 (twenty years ago)

I heard they ate each others

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 11:29 (twenty years ago)

And had to go to hospital to get their stomachs pumped.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 11:31 (twenty years ago)

The hamster dance was invented by 8 Dissensusers hilarious reaction to the insertion of a live gerbil into their rectums while listening to European dance music.

― Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 11:33 (twenty years ago)

I feel pretty
Oh so pretty...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 11:45 (twenty years ago)

that woefulbot post about 'recommend me some urban hip hop' is hilarity

― haterade, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 11:59 (twenty years ago)

"Tim F's capitalised IN NINETEEN NINETY-NINE was the funniest bit of that thread!"

no the funniest part is everyone being nice and refraining from cursing woebot out

― haterism, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)

WTF people. Listen to yourselves.

(except jon w. he made me laugh)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

(also except martian coz he made me laugh too)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

go on then sterling, what reggaeton trax shd one be listening to right now?

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

REGGAETON IS MADE-UP

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)

OF PEOPLE

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

there was a reggaeton section in the mtv vmas on tv the other day, which i watched, dubbed into russian. it had daddy yankee, don omar and tego calderon, there might have been someone else too, not sure

― terry lennox. (gareth), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

in fact that mtv vmas needs its own thread. it was pretty weird, the whole thing (esp watching it in russian)

― terry lennox. (gareth), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

???? why are you watching russian mtv?

― ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

he went to St Petersburg, dead nonchalant laik

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

check a flickr

― terry lennox. (gareth), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

WTFF>!>!>!>!>!!>! you didnt tell me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
argh i am exploding with jealousy!!!!!!

where are you going?
what are you doing?
what have you seen?

― ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

sorry, i sounded a bit mental there, like an obsessively jealous lover. which i am basically (of st petersburg, not you!).

hope you have a good time. no doubt you will. head south to see the victory frieze in the middle of a traffic island

― ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

haha sorry private caller i think everyone here likes reggaeton more in theory than practice. But yo Gavin actually could probably talk to you about it. And I will be able to once i get broadband and/or a job to pay for music.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

i have already been to st petersburg, and come back. i saw the frieze though, from the bus. photos are on flickr

― terry lennox. (gareth), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

Daddy Yankee "Gasolina," Johnny Prez "Tu Pum Pum," Rich Boy f. Pit Bull "Get to Poppin' Remix" (three reggaeton or pseudoreggaeton tracks that might make my Pazz & Jop ballot)

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

I much preferred Old Dissenus to Nu Dissensus.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

my spanish is hackish at best and nonextant at worst. i just buy random mix cds with pretty girls on the cover. i mean yeah the singles that are all over the place are obv the place to start tho, and i rilly rilly like "reggaeton latino."

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

"Gasolina"'s pretty definitively last year tho isn't it? The album came out last year too.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 21:50 (twenty years ago)

I think private caller/rob them co dislikes "Get To Poppin" but it might have been some other Spizzazzian who said this. I like it though.

Did anyone else buy that Urban Latino comp from last year? It was like a musical accompaniment to Rockist Scientist's "you got some reggaeton in my salsa" thesis. Luvvit, mostly (esp. the Latino bits which sound inspired by early Darkchild).

As discussed in some thread earlier I tend to love reggaeton-pop remixes more than most actual reggaeton but I think that's a lot to do with where my head's at.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 00:07 (twenty years ago)

Speaking of heads at, I've gotten to like NG2's "Solo Fue Una Noche" which is one of the more convincing blends of salsa and reggaeton that I've heard. It features vocal cameos by soneros Victor Manuelle and Gilberto Santa Rosa (who also produced the album--they have some sort of production team going together--but they are best known as singers).

On the other hand, I downloaded September's top ten reggaeton songs (according to something called LMP--does anyone know what that is?), and from what I heard of them (I skimmed), they were all pretty awful.

I like some of the new Vico C album though. As far as pretty standard issue reggaeton goes, the last thing I heard that I liked was Judiny Ft Aguakate - "Tu Bomper Mami."

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 00:54 (twenty years ago)

Ah ha, yeah, Lo Maximo, that sounds familiar come to think of it. I think this is it: http://latincharts.blogspot.com/

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 00:59 (twenty years ago)

Hmmmm. http://www.lomaximoproductions.com/

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 01:01 (twenty years ago)

Links do not imply my endorsement.

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 01:08 (twenty years ago)

According to the thread in question I am "A Certain Person." Tut, tut! I have absolutely no beef with K-Punk; I understand what he does and why he does it. The beef I have with the other two is of a different cut, so to speak.

― "A Certain Person" (nostudium), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 06:11 (twenty years ago)

yeah u know, i'm not wanting to be some hardass abt r-ton, honest! but surely we can't be criticising dissensian discourse about vague music qua music while lauding r-ton because we should be, based on the exact same idealist vagueness. DISSENSUTIZED to detail ho ho! tho erm wait d-ssus is hyper detailed on grime, but the motivation is similarly idealistic? (aka the continuumb). plus i'm still partial to a bit of dancehall innit.

perhaps the clever popist retort wd be to say that currently reggaeton music qua reggaeton music (as with dancehall before as with everything before) is filtering thru to the mainstream with exactly that same abstracted idealism in mind.

whatever i think of 'get to poppin', i'm kinda unsure how it falls under even psudoreggaeton. do tell!

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)

is get to poppin' a timbaland beat? or someone else 'doing' a timbaland beat? it's not reggaeton unless you think reggaeton is anything which has been within 10m of a spanish person.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

It's not apparently. It's some Timba disciple, I believe.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

~~it is tim yes, but all new tim beats sound like dodgy ripoffs ur right.~~

really!

i wonder if kanye 'gold digger' works as pseudoreggaeton?

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

what about the new rock n roll rich boy with bubba sparxx, is that a fake too

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

Apparently it's produced by Brian Kidd (?), but it's engineered by the guy Timbaland works with.

http://negrophonic.com/words/pivot/entry.php?id=224

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

>is get to poppin' a timbaland beat? or someone else 'doing' a timbaland beat? it's not reggaeton unless you think reggaeton is anything which has been within 10m of a spanish person.<

Well, that definition might actually not be all that far from the truth, at least according the first paragraph of this piece by Frank (who nominated "get to poppin" up above):

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0536,kogan,67486,22.html

― xhuxk, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

ooh has the aggressive lex been bowled out l.b.w by the wily old spinners?? ok nevermind

i don't buy it. like, while no one can deny r-ton's directly caused a resurgence in latino pride(/melancholy) in all sorts of musics, the handy caprice of explicitly extending its boundaries so far (and so seemingly inclusively) also completely deads any discussion as to investigating exactly "what the story is."

to be fair tho it's an xcellent statement in the context of that rvw alone; as a 'definition', as a validation of 'get to poppin', i feel it's just gone too far.

ALSO i can't really hear how 'gtp' is melancholy in that same way anyway! and perhaps i'm looking too hard at timbaland and not the track here but it's never struck me with any particular ethnological evocativeness even while i'm dimly aware of what sort of origin the sample bears. it's like any lazy tabla track from 03 to me, which is mainly why i thought dj rupture's raptures over it was a load of balls frankly

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Thursday, 13 October 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

i shd qualify that by admitting that i already didnt have any interest in those issues anyway! well i dont see it as a conversation like some do, at least. but for instance the similar things said about tim's 'indian flute' (re india obv) in 04 were far more deserving, more plausible than the attention 'gtp' has got this year

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Thursday, 13 October 2005 23:49 (twenty years ago)

rtc otm i think. the sample is more like timbo's 'weirdness' factor than his 'this sounds like bhangra/bluegrass/techno/world music' thread. At least, thats the impression it gives me - the sample is more an timbral element than one of actual song structure or something.

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 13 October 2005 23:59 (twenty years ago)

i'm not aggressive!

i think it's easier to extend the umbrella to cover reggaeton artists (don omar) making or being involved in songs which are perhaps sonically at variance with the genre, but extending it to get to poppin - where none of the artists involved have had anything to do with reggaeton, where the sample isn't even from a reggaeton track - is more dubious.

(i like get to poppin btw)

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 14 October 2005 08:25 (twenty years ago)

boom-shack-a-lacka!!

― cozen (Cozen), Friday, 14 October 2005 09:21 (twenty years ago)

basically ilx is the tiswas to dissensus' multicoloured swap shop innit?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 14 October 2005 11:08 (twenty years ago)

"But anyway, exceptions like Avenged Sevenfold aside, you could say i have the stirrings of an academic interest in the metal, shall we say, continuum--'academic' in the literal, non-pejorative sense. i've yet to do my research though, and that would be work not play."

jesus, why does this scare me? maybe it's just cuzza that whiff of margaret mead i get from SR at times. put the pith helmet down! you don't have to listen if it's too strenuous! other people can do the heavy lifting!

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 14 October 2005 11:18 (twenty years ago)

er, no, if he's a critic and paid to listen to things and evaluate them, then actually it is his job to do the "heavy lifting."

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 14 October 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

"So long as I don't have to listen to it, there's plenty of things that seem really interesting and even admirable about it"

maybe i should have quoted this first? there are plenty of good writers who write about metal and do it well and who enjoy writing about it and who do not consider it a (future) chore. Quasi-academic writing on metal is almost always the pits. But hey, he could prove me wrong. I am wrong all the time.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 14 October 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

posted on the same dissensus thread (but not by sr):

"avoid consciounsly "ironic" metal, it's the worst thing on the universe and has no irony at all. while "inconsciously ridicule" metal can be awesome, like prog, you can laught at it's stupidity..."

hahaha, yeah, like I'm laughing now! (i realize that english is probably not this person's first language. that is not what i am laughing at.)

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 14 October 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

I think it's time for a new thread:

"Why is ILM still talking about Dissensus?"

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 October 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

Also "is dissensus the new pitchfork" hahaAAAAAAARGH

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 14 October 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

that said the 2 quotes that Scott has pulled there are pretty revolting.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 14 October 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

basically ilx is the tiswas to dissensus' multicoloured swap shop innit?

So who is Posh Paws? It's time to name and shame...

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 14 October 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

i have a question - why does dissensus totally hate the soul and the funk?

― bobkilbourn, Saturday, 15 October 2005 11:44 (twenty years ago)

I think it's time for a new thread:
"Why is ILM still talking about Dissensus?"

Or: Why does Dissensus think ILM is talking about it?

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 15 October 2005 12:58 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

I'd guess Dissensus' peak is still about a year away maybe
-- Tom (Groke), Monday, October 10, 2005 5:05 AM (2 years ago)

RIP

― gershy, Thursday, 11 October 2007 05:42 (eighteen years ago)

http://dissensus.com/forumdisplay.php?f=7

Maybe someone here should start a poll about dissensus (said sarcastically)

― curmudgeon, Thursday, 11 October 2007 05:49 (eighteen years ago)

i have no idea what a dissensus is or was. also don't like clicking links or googling.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 11 October 2007 06:26 (eighteen years ago)

it's a magical land where grime is still an interesting topic

― latebloomer, Thursday, 11 October 2007 10:49 (eighteen years ago)

i admire their effort in making sure if it is still an interesting topic though, even if they are all divs. ilm is an absolute disgrace in comparison.

― r|t|c, Thursday, 11 October 2007 10:54 (eighteen years ago)

Dissensus ain't fucking w/Mondeo Pop, I ain't fucking w/them.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 11 October 2007 12:03 (eighteen years ago)

is dis census better than hip opinion?

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 11 October 2007 21:16 (eighteen years ago)

Is anything not better than Hipinion?

(If the answer is yes, please don't specify what it is.)

― nabisco, Thursday, 11 October 2007 23:59 (eighteen years ago)

williamsbroad

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Friday, 12 October 2007 00:21 (eighteen years ago)

can we have a ysi thread

― Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 12 October 2007 00:32 (eighteen years ago)

bets thred ever.

― W4LTER, Friday, 12 October 2007 00:36 (eighteen years ago)

They've got a thread on South African kwaito. Not that they get any more responses than anything here would on such a topic though.

― curmudgeon, Friday, 12 October 2007 13:40 (eighteen years ago)

kw-gat-to, morelike

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 12 October 2007 13:42 (eighteen years ago)

two years pass...

just saw the title and thought it was a "collected board discussions" book and was deeply deeply horrified

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51F4Ba1rbPL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg

― friends don't understand us, adults don't understand us (zorn_bond.mp3), Sunday, 12 September 2010 22:26 (fifteen years ago)

lawl

― The sulky expression from the hilarious "Aubrey Plaza" persona (history mayne), Sunday, 12 September 2010 22:33 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?8644-soca/page3

― curmudgeon, Monday, 13 September 2010 00:18 (fifteen years ago)

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