Rolling World Music 2006 Thread

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1. Susheela Raman, Music for Crocodiles: Tamil British, but more moody, torchy, sexy; H in Addis (her buddy) disagrees with me but I think this is her best yet, it's really sultry, there are actual Indian musicians on this one for added depth, and her lyrics have really come along.

2. Cabruera, Proibido Cochilar: Northeastern Brazilian dudes rock out with trad tunes turned rock and d'n'b and funk, also cool originals (like turning Adorno's Dialectic on Enlightenment into a dance tune); great new instrument formed by leader Arthur Pessoa, who rubs a ballpoint pen on his guitar and makes it sound like an old-timey Brazilian rave fiddle.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Sunday, 8 January 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

Didn't like that first one at all; seemed way too genteel and antiseptic to me, not very catchy or even all that pretty. Totally love that second one -- which is more in the Chico Science and Nacao Zumbi tradition than the Manu Chao tradition, I was pleased to learn (though there's some Manu Chao in there too, which is good.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 8 January 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

By the way, there are already TWO CDs in the general Manu Chao genre vicinity that I have liked so far in 2006, which is already more than 2005, I think, but I am blanking out on the name of the other one, which is at work. When I'm threre, I'll take note of its name.

I also like the *Congotronics 2* comp of suburban-Kinshasha Konono-style distortion drone music on Crammed Disc; best cuts, I think are by Kusai Allstars featuring Muambuyi, Kisanzi Congo, Basokin featuring Mi Amor, and, yep, Konono No. 1; actually, it seems they saved the two best for the end of the CD, which is a little annoying, but if there are great ones I've missed, somebody please let me know. Also, I haven't been able to get my copy of the DVD to work, for some reason. Bob Xgau, who knows a million times more about African music than I do, has told me that he thinks the Konono No. 1 album from last year was African music for people who don't like African music. I liked it okay (though not nearly enough to put it in my top ten - -actually, I liked both Konono CDs I heard okay), and admittedly, I'm not somebody who listens to African music much. I'd like to hear whether Konono fans and/or non-fans feel Bob's off base about that. For whatever it's worth, he's never been much of a Kraut-rock fan, and it''s probably not a stretch to say what's good about Konono might have more in common with what's good about Kraut-rock (when it's good) than what's more typically good about African music when ditto.

xhuxk, Sunday, 8 January 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sure there must be a dozen copies of the Konono No. 1 CD kicking around my office, but I have yet to actually find one and listen to it. My favorite world music disc so far this year is Mariem Hassan's Deseos, which I described someplace else on ILM; basically, it's a blend of North African trance drum 'n' chant stuff with Junior Kimbrough-esque lead guitar lines, and vocals from this alternately exhilarating and terrifying woman. Great stuff, recommended to fans of Kimbrough, Diamanda Galas, Tinariwen, and everything/everybody in between. On Nubenegra Records.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 8 January 2006 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

well, when crammed discs sells something like this:

"More heavily-distorted sounds, more DIY amplification... but also a whole array of different rhythms, buzzing drums, swirling guitars and hypnotic balafons."

it's easy to see why people who don't listen to a lot of african music might want to hear it. i mean, duh.

um, that was in response to chuck's xgau line about people who don't listen to african music. i still haven't heard this stuff yet. i'm sure i would love it.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 8 January 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

i still haven't heard that sublime frequencies guitar album that all the hipsters love. i still want to pick that one up.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 8 January 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

he thinks the Konono No. 1 album from last year was African music for people who don't like African music

this might be true but only up to a certain point. as was pointed out on the konono thread, abd by scott above, the reason for this has to do w/ how it was marketed (i.e. it was sort of marketed as just that; african music for people who don't normally listen to it). still ... quite a few people on ilm who loved it also love african music in general, not to mention african music fans i know liked it. so there you go, the difference between how it was presented and reality.

yeah, the new congotronics 2 is pretty great though.

i still haven't picked up 'golden afrique' 2 - i think it was released elsewhere a few months ago but doesn't come out in the states until sometime this month. it looks just as good as the first.

TRG (TRG), Sunday, 8 January 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

Does anybody subscribe to the world music magazine Songlines? It seems pretty decent...I'm tempted. BTW, looking forward to this thread growing as the year rolls on.

Patrick South (Patrick South), Monday, 9 January 2006 00:33 (nineteen years ago)

Don't read Songlines. Read Global Rhythm. And I'm not just saying that because I'm the editor. Okay, yes I am.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 9 January 2006 01:00 (nineteen years ago)

is the definition of "global rhythm" gonna include Norwegian blast beats from now on?

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 9 January 2006 01:02 (nineteen years ago)

Global Rhythm is the absolute worst world music magazine I have found. Songlines is not bad. I wouldn't necessarily recommend subscribing to it though.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 9 January 2006 01:35 (nineteen years ago)

I felt like the comparisons between Krautrock and Konono #1 (I haven't heard the "Buzz 'n' Rumble" one yet) were a bit forced, myself. I too don't know nearly enough about African music, not a fraction as much as Christgau, but it seemed sorta like punk soukous to me. I'm probably way off base; it just didn't seem quite as crazy as I wanted it to be.

is there a new Tom Zé record called something like "Estudando o Pagoda"? new stuff, old stuff reissued? I sure love Zé.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 9 January 2006 01:58 (nineteen years ago)

i still haven't heard that sublime frequencies guitar album that all the hipsters love. i still want to pick that one up.

So, I'm now being mistaken for a hipster, am I? Anyhow, this is what I posted on the Pazz and double-p Jopp thread (album is called 1. Guitars of the Golden Triangle: Raw, Rare & Forgotten Archival Recordings from 1970's Shan State. Folk and Pop Music of Myanmar (Burma) Vol. 2

"I'm listening to this right now and it's achingly gorgeous and energetically ratty at the same time. If I'd been able to give it more than a cursory listen before the deadline it would have been a strong candidate. The title grabs your attention but is a bit misleading, since this is voice and song music at least as much as it's guitar music. The tracks were recorded in the '70s, but as far as the electric American influence, no one seems to have heard anything recorded later than 1967. No power chords and no sustain. A fellow named Saing Saing Maw, who's got a whole bunch of tracks, sings in a relaxed almost rockabilly style, somewhat reminiscent of Ricky Nelson, and like Nelson he has an intense band and a guitarist slinging ice pellets at us. He also - I'm serious - seems to have heard the Seeds' 'Pushin' Too Hard,' hence chords are played with a similar push. Other performers do tunes with an early '60s lilt. Not that my listing these influences gives much of an idea what the record sounds like. It's fundamentally Asian, with vocals that rise to a ringing high-pitch, and sad little descents. From a part of Myanmar [Burma] that's reputed to be lawless and to be inaccessible to outsiders."

So, "achingly gorgeous": I'm still in need of adjectival help, if Haikunym or someone else can give me any more suggestions.

(Guitars of the Golden Triangle would have made my P&J ballot for sure, were I voting today, and I did manage to sneak it onto my Nashville Scene Country Critics ballot as a reissue.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 9 January 2006 02:29 (nineteen years ago)

frank, you are so hip it aches gorgeously.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 9 January 2006 02:32 (nineteen years ago)

Another question for you who know more about world music than I do: Has Boney M had an enduring impact on the world? Are there current equivalents to Boney M? I started caring about Boney M in Christmas 1990, when Patty Stirling gave me a pirate Boney M best-of from Singapore that she'd picked up for a buck in San Francisco's Chinatown. She bought it because when she was in Harare her rasta friends were into Boney M. A few months later we were walking on upper Market and ran into Patty's friend Jennifer, a teenager of Indian heritage who'd grown up in West Africa. We started talking about Boney M, and Jennifer said, "My parents used to listen to Boney M all the time." Michael Freedberg once told me that mid '80s Boney M albums were pitched higher than the earlier ones in order to appeal to fans in Southeast Asian.

I think the point I'm trying to make is that Eurodisco and World music are tied at the hip.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 9 January 2006 02:40 (nineteen years ago)

weird, i heard about boney m through the HNAS guy i think, or another one of those cottage-drone dudes.
some variant of boney m played in greenpoint last year, so maybe he is also precursor of disco-polo.

Beta (abeta), Monday, 9 January 2006 02:47 (nineteen years ago)

Countries in which Marion Raven's Here I Am was released last summer: Korea, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Taiwan, Thailand, the Philippines, Japan, Mexico, Norway, Sweden. Due out January 30 in Denmark. I'm still not making sense of the album's getting neither a U.S. nor a U.K. release. You'd think they'd at least take a chance on breaking "Break You," which is "Since U Been Gone" meets "You Oughta Know," and from the sound of it is one of the tracks Max Martin produced.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 9 January 2006 02:54 (nineteen years ago)

Andy, Boney M recorded in Germany, so it's not surprising that HNAS would be familiar with them. (I've never heard any HNAS that I know of, and I assume their sound was fairly rough, but if they had any interest in Kraftwerk or Moroder or ABBA, an interest in Boney M would go along with this.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 9 January 2006 02:59 (nineteen years ago)

xp:I don't know what HNAS or cottage-drone is (though if I thought about them more I might figure them out), but I'd say there almost definitely is a connection between Boney M (which is a they, not a he, Andy) and certain Polish disco stuff I've heard (not to mention Italian disco, German disco, Scandinavian disco, Mexican disco, South African disco, and Hong Kong or Thailand or whatever disco.) But most disco from those places I've heard is from the '80s or early '90s; I have no idea if there are still any Boney equivalents left now (and I have no idea who was in the version of Boney M that played last year in Greenpoint, and I'm sorry I missed them, especially since I probably could've walked since Greenpoint is right across the Newtown Creek bridge from my Queens neighborhood Sunnyside.)

I definitely hear more Kraut-rock (obsessive repetitive clatter unto noisy guitar buildup) than punk in Konono and the Congotronics 2 comp. I like them fine. But yeah, not nearly as great as so many people say (or as noisy, or as avant-garde as far as I can tell.) (And I'm not saying they were *influenced* by Kraut-rock, which they may never have heard. Though I'd be surprised if they haven't heard certain techno etc that Kraut-rock spawned.)

Rockist, what is it that *Songlines* does better or different than *Global Rhythm*? (Just curious; I've never seen or read either magazine myself, at least not knowingly.)

xhuxk, Monday, 9 January 2006 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

By similar to Boney M, I'm thinking not just in sound but in world impact, or, alternately, contemporary music from Asia and Africa that shows the Boney M influence.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 9 January 2006 03:12 (nineteen years ago)

that eurodisco sound is just...deathless. worldwide. forever.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 9 January 2006 03:19 (nineteen years ago)

not that boney m were JUST eurodisco or anything.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 9 January 2006 03:20 (nineteen years ago)

germany (and scandinavia) and italy changed the pop world forever in the 70's.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 9 January 2006 03:23 (nineteen years ago)

Incidentally, in my second book I mention a song (in the fucking sound effects chapter, thanks to duck quacks) *called* "Disco Pollo," by a group named La Neuva Fattoria. Is there a connection between that song and the Polish disco reportedly now known in Greenpoint as disco pollo? Was it the beginning of the genre? Or is it just a coincidence?

xhuxk, Monday, 9 January 2006 03:30 (nineteen years ago)

i don't know, but temporary chicken by telex, complete with chicken sound effects, is my second favorite single of all time according to my list of 66 all-time favorite singles.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 9 January 2006 03:34 (nineteen years ago)

And I think one could easily draw a line between Boney M and Telex (and Telex and Belgian new beat), so there. (But wow, you even like it more than "Moskow Diskow"? Scott that's crazee.) (Unless "Moskow Diskow" is your number one.)

xhuxk, Monday, 9 January 2006 03:38 (nineteen years ago)

Incidentally, those interested in the closely-related-to-world-music subject world FOOD may feel free to peruse my longwinded post on this thread from the I Love Cooking board (which also documents my heretofore undocumented my new hobby):

So what have you cooked lately? (Year two.)

xhuxk, Monday, 9 January 2006 03:42 (nineteen years ago)

i just posted my old singles list here, chuck:

Your "Top 10 Albums of All Time" List


but it's really random. the numbers don't mean much. someday, i will do a real list.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 9 January 2006 03:53 (nineteen years ago)

is there a new Tom Zé record called something like "Estudando o Pagoda"? new stuff, old stuff reissued? I sure love Zé.

-- edd s hurt (eddshur...), January 8th, 2006. (later)

Yes, it came out in August 2005 on Trama, and I picked it up at Dusty Groove. It has gorgeous booklet, but unfortunately all the liner notes are in Portuguese. Where is my ex-Brazilian gf when I need her? The back of the CD makes a reference to his 1976 album, Estudando o Samba which means this might be some sort of sequel. From the lyrics, it seems to be laid out as a sort of three act opera.

Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Monday, 9 January 2006 05:11 (nineteen years ago)

Konono toured with the Ex and all the hype about them revolved around the noise emanating from the car part amps and megaphones on poles. This was most definately African music for rockers (although Banning Eyre at Afropop.org and other Afropop fans liked them as well)
see here:Konono No1 - "Tradi-Modern" - This shit is unreal

The Global Rhythm mag used to be, I haven't seen it in awhile, real fluffy in its stylistic approach to "world music." I prefer to just read The Beat magazine, which is unfortunately cutting back on the number of issues per year it puts out.

curmudgeon, Monday, 9 January 2006 05:59 (nineteen years ago)

>I haven't seen it in awhile

Well, I only arrived in November, so wait a couple of months and give it another shot. I'm busily beating my head against the wall trying to fix all the things I think need improvement. (Including the inclusion of Norwegian black metal and Japanese noise, but I have dim hopes at best.)

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 9 January 2006 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

>there are already TWO CDs in the general Manu Chao genre vicinity... but I am blanking out on the name of the other one<

Gecko Turner, *Guapapasea!* on Quango (Spanish, apparently; "former frontman for Perroflauta and the Reverendoes," whoever they are or were. Includes Dylan and soul music references, and allegedly Monk and Marley ones as well).

xhuxk, Monday, 9 January 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

My first impression of the new Tom Ze was that it was great, but it's kind of all over the place. It's kind of odd listening to goat sounds and a woman reaching orgasm.

Patrick South (Patrick South), Monday, 9 January 2006 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

think the new Ze is based on the '76 album, but i know nothing beyond the dusty groove homepage...
xhu xku, HNAS was dada-esque German tape noise stuff from early 80s, while cottage-drone more refers to the guys in UK and Germany that have been doing industrial noise stuff since the tape underground, meaning NWW, David Jackman, esoteric gusy like that that Brainwashed used to always go on about. i just thought i funny that Christoph Heemann tipped me off on Boney M as opposed to Frank's rasta connection. which is to say, the entire world (minus most of the States) loves Boney M.

Beta (abeta), Monday, 9 January 2006 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

The Tom Ze disc is fantastic; the Gecko Turner thing sucks sucks sucks. The new disc from Los De Abajo is great, though; Mexican/L.A. ska/polka/funk stuff recommended to Fishbone fans.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 9 January 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

I really like how Gecko Turner's band stretches out those Jorge Ben-style percussion grooves in "Limon En La Cabeza" and "45,000$ (Guapa Pasea)" (which goes into a probably-Miles-inspired trumpet part) and the smoother Gilberto Gil-style groove in "Te Estas Equivocando"; I like the two soul tracks ("How Come You Do Me Like You Do Me", which reminds me of Richard Dimples Fields or somebody, better than the almost deep house "Dizzie" -- actually, "Sabes Quien Te Quiere" has a soul rhythm too, though his vocal in that one is more a beautiful samba.) A better soul LP than the new Anthony Hamilton for sure. And "Subterranean Homesick Blues" is good too; for most of it I have no idea what it has to do with Dylan, until Gecko's scat singing part turns into "look out kid you're gonna get hit" over and over. Anyway, no way does this suck suck suck. Way warmer and catchier than the previous Los De Abajo CD, too, though I've yet to hear their new one.

xhuxk, Monday, 9 January 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

I just found it really loungey and boring, but maybe I'll listen to it again.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

Well, there definitely are smooth jazz moments (but so what? smooth jazz is underrated) now and then, and that deep-housey track might even be trip-hoppy to a certain extent. So yeah, some of it could probably be played in a lounge. But most of it is really energetic, and some it totally rocks in a Jorge Ben kind of way. (Also, strangely, after I mentioned Chico Science upthread, a Nacaco Zumbi CD just came in the mail today sans Chico, who of course died seven or so years ago. I had no idea they were even still together. Cool!)

xhuxk, Monday, 9 January 2006 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

And the Nacao Zumbi sounds....good! Probably not as great as their two CDs with Chico Science (at least the two I heard - did they make more than that?), but still good. The new singer(s) has/have more a goth heaviness; the melodies are more ominious and less celebratory and guitars often more metal, so sometimes it feels more like a La Castaneda or Heroes Del Silencio album, but who cares, I like those bands too. Doesn't percuss as Afro-Caribbean as the Cabuerea (or even the Gecko Turner for that matter), but still has plenty of funk. And lots of other weirdness (like extended talk vocals over obsessive grooving) going on amid all the dense, sometimes psychedelic sound.

xhuxk, Monday, 9 January 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

Miguel Anga (bolded because that's the only part of his name they are listing) Diaz's Echu Mingua is now definitely slated to be released by Nonesuch in February of this year, so maybe it will get more attention in the U.S.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

Gruajiro EP (Spanish language post-Rancid demi-metal -- apparently either from Mexico or the US, I'm not sure) seems to be trying, but is totally clunky and fairly tuneless. I'll pass on it. PR sticker on the cover calls them in the tradition of Descendents, NOFX, and Mano Negra, but I don't hear the latter at all.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

Rockist, what is it that *Songlines* does better or different than *Global Rhythm*? (Just curious; I've never seen or read either magazine myself, at least not knowingly.)

(Incidentally, just saw your question this morning.)

The difficulty here is that I've mostly just stopped bothering to look at Global Rhythm, so it's hard to make my complaints concrete at this point. Some of the reviews I've read in Global Rhythm didn't make any reference to what seemed like really stand-out features of the CD being reviewed. (For instance, the brief review of Marcel Khalife's Caress wasted time providing background on some past controversies, while not bothering to mention than unexpected instrumentation on the CD under review. I'm not sure it even mentioned the mixing of trad. Arabic with jazz elements.) I think the writing is generally bad. Not that many CDs are reviewed--the whole publication is pretty skimpy. Some of the editorials at the front of the magazine (written by a woman whose name I forgot) are really dopey. I don't have as strong an impression of the lengthier articles, except they haven't really left much impression.

Songlines is by no means flawless, but the reviewers generally seem pretty informed, and a lot of releases get covered. I don't necessarily read many of the articles. Recently, I liked the fact that they wrote up the Sense World label for Indian classical music (not that that's really my thing, but it's an interesting label).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I only arrived in November, so wait a couple of months and give it another shot. I'm busily beating my head against the wall trying to fix all the things I think need improvement. (Including the inclusion of Norwegian black metal and Japanese noise, but I have dim hopes at best.)

Ah, I didn't think I'd noticed your name (not that I was looking that closely).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

Hello everyone! I need to find out about some terrific Angolan music. Anyone know anything about the country's music? Doesn't have to be current. Even better, does anyone have any, especially anyone on slsk for instance...

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

The Buda Musique comp from a few years ago that's fantastic: Angola 60's: 1956-1970. There are a few others in the series too but I haven't heard them.

TRG (TRG), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

Oh - the Soul of Angola comp from Lusafrica is great too! The same label has released a handful of comps, but Soul of Angola is the only one I have. Here's a bit about it from the Afropop site:

http://www.afropop.org/explore/album_review/ID/1558/Soul%20of%20Angola

TRG (TRG), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

This Nacao Zumbi thing is really good. The guitar on the first track reminds me of the guitar sound on the first song from Mastodon's Leviathan, right at the beginning, before it gets all heavy and roaring.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

Has anyone heard this Cheikh Lo Lamp Fall album? I like "Sante Yalla," partly because it reminds me of the Cheo Feliciano song "El Raton." The audio clips of the other songs sound good too. I liked his contribution to Red Hot + Riot, but I'm not sure I'd be into a whole album like this.

http://www.sternsmusic.com/disk_info.php?id=wcd073

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 23 January 2006 01:39 (nineteen years ago)

So has anybody mentioned that "Than Shin Ley Ye Khan" by Saing Saing Maw, the first and best track on *Guitars of the Golden Triangle: Folk and Pop Music of Mynanmar (Burma) Vol. 2* (filed amid my F CD compilations rather than my G ones since the subtitle rather than the title is on the CD spine) is basically, or even blatantly, a cover of "Lightning Bar Blues" by Hoyt Axton (also covered by Brownsville Station and lots of other people, including some hard rocking garage band last year whose name I forget)? I thought this was obvious the very first time I played the CD, but I never mentioned it, and can't remember anybody else mentioning it since either. Though maybe I missed it, or maybe they thought it was too obvious to point out, too.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 24 January 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

*The Rough Guide to Bhangra Dance* is undoutedly one of the best albums of 2006 so far, for anybody keeping track of such things. So far my favorite cuts are the ones by Malkit Singh, Paisa, Mehndi/Madhorama Pencha, and Apna Sangeet, though that may well change.

xhuxk, Sunday, 29 January 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

That's in my office, but I haven't had a chance to throw it on, because this week I'm obsessed with one-man black metal outfits (Xasthur, Leviathan, Nortt).

pdf (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 29 January 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

I'm listening to Julia Sarr and Patrice Larose's uneven "Set Luna." Sarr's a Senegalese vocalist who has been a background studio singer in Paris for Congolese singer Lokua Kanza, Julio Iglesias, and Fela drummer Tony Allen. Larose is a Frech guy with a Spanish grandfather who's into flamenco and mellow bossa nova and samba. Together they are sometimes too polished cafe-folk meets jazz, but on cuts where Sarr is more energetic and utilizes her homeland's mbalax high-pitched Islamic methods, and Larose has percussionists with him, their approach seems to work.

Curmudgeon (Steve K), Monday, 30 January 2006 07:26 (nineteen years ago)

Best track by far on the new High Mayhem Records album by New Mexico's Zimbabwe Nkenya and the New Jazz (which, especially on this cut, most reminds me of the Art Ensemble of Chicago, though apparently Nkenya also has a Mbira quintet called ZIYA): "Risk," track #7. Jumps out at me every time. Has anybody else heard this?

xhuxk, Monday, 30 January 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

(They also have cuts called "Africa In Effect I" and "Africa In Effect II," for whatever that's worth. But I think my second favorite cut is "Alto Trio", a "collective improvisation by the Rob Brown Trio," whoever they are.)

xhuxk, Monday, 30 January 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

I'm (half-) listening to Easter on Mount Athos, something I downloaded (Greek Orthodox liturgical music, if that's not obvious). It's pretty great. I'm surprised--not sure why--by the similarities between some of the vocal rhythms and some typical Sufi ceremonial chanting. There are long passages where bells, small ones like sleigh bells, are being shaken continuously.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 30 January 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

just now throwing on
the new los de abajo
(due on feb. seventh)

first track all sexed-up,
slow at first then gets all big
with the cuban stuff

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 30 January 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

That new LDA is great; we're running a feature on them in the May issue (out in early April).

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 30 January 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

actually the last few tracks of that Zimbabwe Nkenya and the New Jazz are all pretty good; second half (including "Africa In Effect II" and the Anthony Braxton tribute it closes with) is way more listenable than the album's more typically (to my ears) free-jazzish first half.

(Even better: the new Jessica Lurie album, which has a Latin and Eastern European rhythmic influences on certain of its tracks.)

xhuxk, Monday, 30 January 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

There should be a lot of publicity this year for Latin music, and specifically, Puerto Rican music, with the major new reggaeton albums that are likely to be coming out (Daddy Yankee, Tego Calderon, Don Omar, and probably Ivy Queen), as well as the Hector Lavoe movie due out in the summer (with Marc Anthony and J Lo), though that could turn out to be a flop.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 04:52 (nineteen years ago)

Tego Calderon >>> Daddy Yankee >> Ivy Queen >>>>> Don Omar

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 05:38 (nineteen years ago)

That Ivy Queen *Flashback* album was really unlistenable.
(By the way, am I the only person who thinks she sings like a man?)

Also, Don Omar's mix CD is the best reggaeton album I've heard; blows the Tego and Daddy Yankee ones I've heard out of the water. (Tego's was is at least playable all the way through. Daddy Yankee's had what, maybe three good tracks? Though I do like "Rompe.")

xhuxk, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

really? I bought that don omar live album (after really liking 'dale don dale') and it was unbelievably eeeesh and anti-charismatickal. maybe it was just bad sound quality or something.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

Basically reggaeton sucks. (Whoops.) I don't understand why chuck is so down on Ivy Queen though. What if she does sing like a man? I thought you liked that gender-play stuff? Anyway, all that aside, I like the way Ivy Queen sounds. I agree with H. about the live Don Omar album. What a bore. But I also agree with chuck about Daddy Yankee: good songs, but not good entire albums. But so what? I think he has more than three good tracks though.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

"Sings like a man" wasn't an insult; just an observation (because I've never noticed anybody mentioning it before, though that doesn't mean they haven't.) Either way, her album is a chore to get through, ponderous as hell to my ears (and I really thought I would like it!) I'm not saying her singing-like-a-man is what MAKES it lousy, though.

Didn't hear Omar's live album; just his mix CD that came out in December or so. "Blows the Tego and Daddy Yankee ones I've heard out of the water," might be a slight exagerration, come to think of it. But given the choice, that Omar album (which, again, is a MIX CD, so most of it isn't even by Omar, obviously) is still the one I'd take.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

(Actually, my favorite reggaeton album, if it counts, which it probably doesn't, is Pitbull's remix album, *Money Is Still a Major Issue.* That one DOES blow those others out of the water.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

I'm willing to believe that. But there's a whole reggaeton thread for reggaeton talk; it's not exactly world music if 95 percent of it comes from the United States!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

I am intimidated by the reggaeton thread since I am only a dabbler, far from an expert. (Also, the USA was part of the world, last time I checked.) (i.e.: the map my kid made for his history class last nite.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

I hadn't heard about that USA part of the world thing. I'll check into it.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

I thought you didn't like Ivy Queen and that her singing like a man was why, based on previous comments you've made, but I probably was just reading things into what you said.

just his mix CD that came out in December or so

I have heard good things about that. I want to hear the Reggaetony CD which sounds good based on the audio clips I checked.

I am intimidated by the reggaeton thread since I am only a dabbler, far from an expert.

Is there anyone who regularly posts to that thread who is not a dabbler?

But there's a whole reggaeton thread for reggaeton talk

True, but I brought it up to talk about how the year will unfold for Puerto Rican music, and to some extent Latin music in general, which is a world musicish subject: the emerging awareness of, etc.

But maybe this should mostly be a thread for "world musics" that don't tend to have their own threads, or for dabblers to talk about stuff they don't usually listen to.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

oh I was just being a weirdo, I'm no thread absolutist, let's talk about all kinds of music here!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, we're allowed to talk about music on I Love Everything (since music is something, or was last I checked the map), so we can talk reggaeton here, especially if I forgot to bookmark the reggaeton thread.

Ivy Queen alb was hard for me to get through too, since she does a song and I like it OK and then its followed by four that are almost identical, then she'll switch to a new style, and I'll like the cut fine just because it doesn't sound like the previous five, then she'll do another four in the exact same style and I'm starting to nod off, then another switch in style and I'll go "Oh good," followed by another four tracks that are near identical...

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

But we should especially talk about Angolan music! There's not enough talk of that!

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

You go first, Martin. (Anyway, I certainly don't know anything about it.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

I need to learn!

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

Is Germany world music? I dunno, but this guitarist guy without a German name (so: an expatriot?) called Martin Philadelphy has three different groups there, and almost all his *other* musicians have German names. His group with the most German song titles on their most recent album, Sheriff's Von Nottingham (album: *Aufundzuundabundan*) is his most boring and also his most world-music maybe, since it mainly seems to consist of Spanish (flamenco? bossa nova? something else?) guitar stylings; also it has by far his shortest songs. I am playing his album by Paint, *Tap the Ethereal*, now, and it's really long (2 discs) with his longest songs (including four over ten minutes); I liked their last one (which I think was by "Philadelphy's Paint" -- it had a cardboard CD cover and is probably in storage now), but this one, which is also quite avant jazzy with lots of grumbly vocal sounds coming in and out as was his last one I believe except maybe not as many grumbly vocal sounds and also as I recall somehow less tedious, is hard to get through and I doubt I will. (The new one I mean -- actually track six on disc 1 "Move Forward" is sounding great right now in an early '70s Miles Davis kind of way, and the track after that, "Strickmuster" now seems to be following suit; I dunno, maybe I'll get through the rest after all.) The album I probably like most by him recently is *Beautyfool* by Philadelphy-Martinek, which is sort of his mostly electronic guitar-and-synth duo (but with guests sometimes including "accordeon" on one track, plus sometimes Martin's partner Christian Martinek is credited with "chaos pad" whatever that is), and the album starts out fairly electronic and techno-y (and schlafely, maybe? I dunno. Do Ellen Aien and Isolee fans know this guy?), but by the fourth and fifth tracks turns more toward Notwist-style teutonic ambient electro-rock, and by "Cubase" (track 8) the guitars are heavy metal and there's a track toward the end called "Ode to Robin Hood" with female vocals that are maybe a fusion of schlager and schafel well maybe not literally but I like how "schlager shafel" sounds," plus there are jazzy parts in places too. Anybody else on to this fellow?

xhuxk, Saturday, 4 February 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

Also, good article in Sunday's Times about perennial polka grammy winner Jimmy Sturr. I kinda can't stand Sturr's slicked-up sound; haven't really been keeping up with polka lately (a few years ago I listened to all five polka grammy nominees and my favorite was Eddie Blacsconszyk of Chicago, shown flipping panckaes on that particularly CD cover and also quoted in the Times article, but I haven't kept up since - -just did a cdbaby.com search for polkas and mainly what seemed to come up was joke bands or bands for the triple A alt-country crowd, which i don't THINK is what I want but I may be wrong.) Anyway, the article talks about how Sturr's east coast style (he's from Jersey) is actually quite Vegasy and big-bandy (though he's also known to get guest appearances by lots of country stars), where the Chicago style is more trumpet heavy and the Cleveland Slovenian style is where the accordions get emphasized. So maybe I should search "Cleveland polka," I'm not sure...

xhuxk, Saturday, 4 February 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

Almost every polka band description on cdbaby seems to start with "this is not your father's (or grandpa's) polka." Not sure why that's considered a good thing (at least if your father or grandpa was a fan of the Matys Bros and Frankie Yankovic's greatest hits.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 4 February 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

Great new album: Sigil, by Nuru Kane. He's from Africa someplace, goes back and forth between acoustic guitar and guimbri. Some of the songs sound like a Saharan version of Junior Kimbrough, in that trance-blues way I like so much; others have the huge throb of the guimbri and some percussion rumbling away and are almost but not quite danceable. I don't think he wants you to stand up; he just wants you to twitch a lot in your chair. Anyway, it's really good stuff. I forget what label it's on.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 4 February 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

So, wow, Positivo *Axe Bahia* (or Axe Bahia *Positivo*, I'm not sure which), "el grupo baselino que revoluciono latinoamerica" it sez here on the CD cover, HOLY SHIT is this catchy!!! I have no fucking idea what it is. Three young guys + three young gals who wear damn little clothes, and apparently all grease up their skin to make it really shiny, playing ("playing") some kinda bubblecumbiapolkadisco beach volleyball music with lotsa robot vocal call and response sounds and occasional sax solos or mariachi horns, and now they are singing about a cucaracha but it's not the cucaracha song you think (but later they DO sing that song!). other titles include "aerosamba" and "pusha pusha" and "clima de rodeo." sometimes on the CD cover they wear cowboy hats, sometimes bandanas, more often skimpy bathing suits. I don't even know where they're from. Press release was in Spanish, so I tossed it out. Put out by Univision. Comes with DVD. Which I promise to watch soon.

xhuxk, Saturday, 4 February 2006 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

ps: THIS IS WHAT REGGAETON SHOULD SOUND LIKE, OKAY?? THANKS BYE.

xhuxk, Saturday, 4 February 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

oops, finally read the fine print: they're from mexico, which explains the cucarachas and cowboy hats and polka beats i guess. website is grupoaxebahia.com, so i guess their name isn't positivo. one of three female bimbos does not seem to be in the band, since she's only on the front cover and everywhere else there are only two bimbos (one redhead and one blonde) and three himbos (including a dark skinned one named "chocolate."). music also includes cher-style vocal cyborg parts and ranchero yip-yip-yiping. yee ha!

xhuxk, Sunday, 5 February 2006 00:53 (nineteen years ago)

dvd has them in bikinis on a white beach, in silly cowboy outfits in a studio (very choreographed dance moves in both places), then playing cartoon characters in the video snippet from whichever song on their album sounds the most like aqua or toy box (one of my faves, naturally -- way better than the 2 or so reggaeton attempts, which aren't bad)

xhuxk, Sunday, 5 February 2006 01:26 (nineteen years ago)

("white beach" as in "beach with white sand," that is; no segregation implied)

xhuxk, Sunday, 5 February 2006 01:28 (nineteen years ago)

This sounds very baile funk, or whatever the fuck the proper name for it is to, me. Are you sure this isn't Brazilian? Isn't Bahia in Brazil (not that that proves anything)?

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 5 February 2006 04:51 (nineteen years ago)

Oh wait, what I found is an album called Vuelve la Onda by Axe Bahia, so it's not what you were listening to (I think).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 5 February 2006 04:53 (nineteen years ago)

The more I google all this, the more confused I become.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 5 February 2006 04:56 (nineteen years ago)

The titles on Positivo sure look Spanish to me.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 5 February 2006 04:57 (nineteen years ago)

doesn't sound baile funk to me. on the DVD they show a map of mexico, and zero in on a coastal area where people are celebrating what looks like spring break, but it happens real fast, and my mexican geography isn't that good. (at least I THINK it was mexico.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 5 February 2006 05:11 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, now I have the one you were talking about. I recognize "Bomba" which Joseph Fonseca did as a merengue a few years back (but that might not be the original either). Haven't listened any of it closely but it seems pretty gunky to me. ("Gunky" is not meant positively.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 5 February 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

I don't pretend to know what most of this says, but it looks like it's saying they are Brazilian. Maybe part of it was recorded in Mexico or something? (Second paragraph.) My bold:

AXE BAHÍA POSITIVO
Así se llama el nuevo disco del grupo de baile brasilero con el que pretenden presentar en el país la nueva etapa del grupo, un poco más alejada del axe e incursionado con otros ritmos como el reggaeton, funk y algo de electrónica, sin perder la esencia bailable que los lanzó a la fama. “Es una evolución. Cuando llegamos acá trajimos nuestra cultura de Brasil y lo mezclamos con lo chileno y a través de este país llegamos a otros y ahora lo que conocimos de esas partes, tratamos de reflejarlo en este disco, con las distintas mezclas de ritmos”, explica Jeferson sobre el nuevo estilo.

El disco será lanzado en 25 países – incluido Europa- y contiene 10 temas nuevos además de 5 bonus track de canciones antiguas. Como plus para fanáticos trae de regalo un DVD, donde se podrán nuevos video clips, aprender las coreografías y revisar hitos en la historia del grupo como la partida de Bruno y Francini, con la despedida en un programa de la televisión mexicana incluida.

http://miarroba.com/foros/ver.php?foroid=205663&temaid=3180561

chuck, I don't understand how you don't hear some Brazilian funk in this. It's just very popified.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 5 February 2006 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

Babel Fish translation help that actually makes some sense:

"It is a evolution. When we arrived here we brought our culture of Brazil and we mixed it with the Chilean and through this country we arrived at others and now what we knew those parts, we tried to reflect it in this disc, with the different mixtures from rates ", Jeferson explains on the new style. The disc will be sent in 25 countries - including Europe and contains 10 5 new subjects in addition to bonus track of old songs. As extra for fanatics brings of gift a DVD, where they will be able new video clips, to learn the choreographies and to review landmarks in the history of the group like the Francini and Bruno game, with the goodbye in a program of the Mexican television including.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 5 February 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

No song called "Bomba" on the CD I have, Rockist; are you sure we're talking about the same band? Also, nope, not only do I not hear much Brazilian funk, I don't hear much "funk" at all. Which isn't to say it's not there; maybe I just have to listen closer. But I'd say these guys seem closer to, say, Two Man Sound or Loco Mia than any baile funk/funk carioca/whatever I've heard. There's a definitite Italo (or whatever -- German/Spanish/etc) disco influence. And yeah, both Axe Bahia's music and baile funk are extremely energetic hodgepodges of other elements from all over, and some of the elements are no doubt the same, but this music doesn't have the hard edge of baile funk -- Inasmuch as there's a Caribbean influence, I wouldn't call it Afro-Caribbean, if that makes sense. There's no real hip-hop in here I can hear. Also, these kids don't *present* themselves as baile funk -- meaning that, as I undestand it, baile funk is music from the dangerous gun-toting drug-running hills of Brazil, where this group clearly presents themselves as music for affluent, prosperous, carefree young people on summer vacation. Sex is blatantly part of the package, but the sex seems pretty vanilla, like on a teen TV show. Or at least that's how it seems. In the DVD, they dance like a boy band, or the Spice Girls. On the other hand, is it possible they are Brazilians *recording* (or just releasing records) in Mexico? Sure. What the CD sleeve's fine print actually says is "proactive creactivea Mexico." Does that help?

xhuxk, Sunday, 5 February 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

It's possible that what I'm hearing as baile funk is actually the influence of genres that influence baile funk (but that aren't really on my radar). (But to my ear there is something Brazilian in the melodies and also in some of the percussion sounds.)

This is the track list for the one I'm talking about:

01-positivo_drink.
02-yo_quiero_bailar.
03-la_cucarachina.
04-pusha_pusha.
05-es_o_no_es.
06-la_bomba.
07-las_descontroladas.
08-un_zombi_sexy.
09-mueve_la_pompa.
10-filete.
11-beso_en_la_boca_(verion_internacional).
12-tapinha_(version_en_espanol).
13-thu_thuca_(version_en_espanol).
14-sacudiendo_a_yaca_(version_en_espanol).
15-onda_onda_(version_en_espanol).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 5 February 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

So a different edition maybe.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 5 February 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

"AXE BAHÍA POSITIVO
Así se llama el nuevo disco del grupo de baile brasilero con el que pretenden presentar en el país la nueva etapa del grupo, un poco más alejada del axe e incursionado con otros ritmos como el reggaeton, funk y algo de electrónica, sin perder la esencia bailable que los lanzó a la fama. “Es una evolución. Cuando llegamos acá trajimos nuestra cultura de Brasil y lo mezclamos con lo chileno y a través de este país llegamos a otros y ahora lo que conocimos de esas partes, tratamos de reflejarlo en este disco, con las distintas mezclas de ritmos”, explica Jeferson sobre el nuevo estilo.


Translation (by me):
Axe Bahía Positivo
is the name of the new record from this Brazilian dance group with which they try to present (bit hazy here) in their fatherland the new era of the group, a little bit more removed from axe (some sort of musical genre?) and mixed with other rhythms such as reggaeton, funk and something of electronic, without losing the essential danceable aspect of their music that brought them to fame. "It's an evolution". When we arrived here we brough our Brazilian culture and we mixed it with the Chilean culture and through this country we arrived at others (other countries?) and now what we know of these places we are trying to reflect in this record, with the distinct mixtures of rhythms." Jefferson explains the new style.

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Sunday, 5 February 2006 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

my better half, who speaks fairly fluent spanish, watched the DVD with me, and she says it says that, yeah, the group came from brazil, wound up playing resorts on the coast of chile (which is apparently what that map on the DVD was), and got big first on "youth TV shows" then with all age groups all over latin america as a "dance troupe" since people would imitate their dances (macarena style I guess) for excercise. eventually on the biography part of the DVD they go to mexico and, um, seem to dress up "as mexicans," in the cowboy outfits. TONS of merchandise marketing: dolls, gum, everything. now they are apparently a huge international phenomenon, and as near as we could tell, they change members a lot (i.e., in some parts of the DVD they seem to have three dark-skinned guys, not just one); not sure whether this is so they can play different concerts at the same time in different countries or not. also not clear whether the dancers sing their own songs. the DVD also has a really wacky road warrior style video for one song, set in the future, where this grimy unshaven guy surrounding by sad impoverished dirty lost kids exploring the desert with his dystopian future car discovers a time capsule briefcase with all their DVDs, dolls, and merchandise in it, and he puts it in his future computer machine and learns all about the great music of the past as he watches them do their hot dance moves in bikinis.

xhuxk, Sunday, 5 February 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

and ok, there is plenty of blatant brazil (and afro-caribbean) percussion thru "aerosamba," duh. (though in my head i will always try to imagine it as a cross between aerosmith and samba, i'm sure.) (DVD suggests this is one of their bigger aerobics line-dance hits.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 5 February 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

after that description, it's almost as if they sat down and said "Let's invent a world music group that Chuck Eddy would be really excited about". I don't know if I'm on the Univision list anymore, but I'll weigh in about it if it hits these frozen climes.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Sunday, 5 February 2006 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

Launch Yahoo lists a previous Axé Bahia album, Tudo Bem, from 2003. Here's the track list:

1. Beso En La Boca (Namorar Palado)
2. Tesouro Do Pirata (Onda Onda)
3. Danza De La Manivela
4. Tudo Bem
5. Maomeno
6. Tekila
7. Tapinha
8. Thu Thuca
9. Cachetada En La Cara (Sempre Quer Me Bater)
10. Ali Baba
11. Gingado De Mola (Mostra)
12. Amo Voce
13. Namorar Pelado (Beso En La Boca)

No vids, unfortunately. Album cover has two chicks and three guys, bathing suits only, chicks lighter-skinned than guys, only one guy dark enough to be brown.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 6 February 2006 05:56 (nineteen years ago)

from metal thread:

So, "Politcas Ratas" on the new El Tri album *Mas Alla Del Bien Y Del Mal* sounds like a nicely barbecued '70s ZZ Top rip, but I don't think there's much else on the CD. Lots of '50s rock'n'roll revival, one song that reminds me of "Rockin' in the Free World," I dunno what else. I think this is like their 50th album though, so maybe there's a kick-ass greatest hits album somewhere down in Mexico. Or maybe not.

xhuxk, Monday, 6 February 2006 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

(oops, it's spelled "Politicos Ratas" - hard to read their CD cover. And I have nothing against '50s rock'n'roll revivials, but El Tri's feels pretty parched, even when it gets a little energy in it. I think "Queremos Rock" was the toughest of those tracks, but I kinda lost track after a while, and it's quite possible I missed something.)

xhuxk, Monday, 6 February 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

I keep meaning to investigate El Tri. In the meantime, I'm listening to the new Dhafer Youssef disc. He's a Tunisian oud player and singer, but his backing band on this is all Norwegians, including trumpeter Arve Henriksen from Supersilent.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 6 February 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

How is the sound quality on the Axe Bahia? Because I have a version that says 192 kbps but it almost sounds like I'm listening to the radio.

Patrick South (Patrick South), Monday, 6 February 2006 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

Sounds fine to me! But then again, I like the radio. (Mike Saunders said once that music sounds best through the little speakers on his TV set, but I don't *quite* go that far.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 7 February 2006 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

honestly, though, on my shitty stereo system, it sounded no better or worse than most other CDs. (I mean, *once in a while* I notice "bad sound quality," I guess. But a few times in the early '90s I had to review CDs for *High Fidelity* or one of those other wacky audiophile magazines where you have to give a "sound quality" grade as well as a "performance" grade, and I usually had no fucking idea, so I'd just take a wild guess.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 7 February 2006 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

Leading percussionist goes to the crossroads

Ed Morales

February 5, 2006

Latin music begins with the drum. It sings, dances, composes, improvises and tells the story of the song. Many of our favorite tunes are melodies transposed from the murmurs of a talking drum. But only a few drummers are allowed to "lead" the band - names such as Tito Puente and Mongo Santamaría. This month, in its now annual parade of releases, the World Circuit/ Nonesuch team who brought you the Buena Vista Social Club presents the Europe-based Cuban percussionist Angá Díaz.

Díaz's new album is called "Echu Mingua," after the Yoruban god Elegguá, often thought of as the guardian of the crossroads, sometimes the trickster. He's the one who haunted Robert Johnson's dreams, made Thelonius Monk get up from his piano and spin slowly in place. Díaz calls "Echu Mingua" a "religious service" of sorts, and it serves the purpose of guarding the crossroads between Cuban son, rumba, jazz, hip-hop and maybe even what Izzy Sanabria once called "salsa."

A gifted conga player, Díaz has an impressive track record: He began with the legendary Afro-Cuban jazz band Irakere; put in time with jazz experimentalists Steve Coleman and Roy Hargrove; anchored Juan de Marcos' Afro-Cuban All Stars; and made a singular impression on bassist Orlando "Cachaíto" López's 2001 solo effort, one of the best Buena Vista spin-off albums. Díaz's presence contributed greatly to that album's forward-looking avant-garde edge.

"Echu Mingua" has a similar, live- in-the-studio feel to "Cachaíto." The resulting music is decidedly "Freeform" (the name of a hip-hop-inflected jam session), with several stops and starts in rhythm, style and influence. Tracks such as the flamenco-tango inspired "Ode Mar- tima" seem better suited for experimental dance than salsa, and "Conga Carnaval" sounds like Los Van Van partying on a Brazilian tour.

Some of the album's best moments are the jazz meditations. Monk's "'Round Midnight" becomes a chamber piece featuring conga, upright bass and strings; Coltrane's "A Love Supreme" is retrofitted for the 21st century. "Gandinga," a retake on the Afro-Cuban All Stars "Gandinga, Mondongo y Sandunga" - which is itself an update on Jerry González and the Fort Apache band's version of Monk's "Evidence" - feels fresh and original.

Díaz's roster of collaborators include African expatriates Baba Sissoko (vocals, percussion), Magic Malik Mezzadri (flute), Toumani Diabate (kora, a West African harp) and DJ Dee Nasty. This ensemble is most tangible in the Mali-Cuba fusion of "Tumé Tumé." But Díaz enlists strong Cuban players as well, most impressively pianists Roberto Fonseca, David Alfaro and the late Rubén González.

It may be that on first listen, "Echu Mingua" is all over the place. But that's only because Díaz is standing at a crossroads, trying to let so many varied strands of rhythmic tradition flow through his masterful hands. Sometimes you need to lose focus so you can hear the drums sing.

http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/music/ny-fflatin4609925feb05,0,6660721.story?coll=ny-music-print

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

I just got this, but haven't been able to listen to it yet.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

Tracks such as the flamenco-tango inspired "Ode Martima" seem better suited for experimental dance than salsa

This is the one that reminds me of Lou Harrison and Fred Frith (not as guitarist exactly but as composer). I don't hear any flamenco in it, but I don't really know flamenco.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

I got that, too, but also haven't had time to listen to it. Right now I'm being forced to listen to the new Corrs album so I can write a coverline about 'em. "Corrs Still Suck Dead Dog Taint" has been vetoed.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

The Angá record is very decidedly strange, lots of postmodern touches and samples, songs that aren't really songs, jams that mysteriously tail off and mutate, all building up to ONE BIG SONG at the end...I kinda think I love it, but that's only after one listen.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

Haikunym, I thought you would like it. This might sound like a criticism (but I don't mean it that way), but I think it sounds better if you keep your focus a little blurry and don't try to follow everything happening really closely.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

yeah I think you're right about that Rockist_. that's fine by me, short attention span and all.

I still can't believe that you guys haven't heard Javier Garcia's 13 from last year, it's so great and hooky and poppy but deep too. And I found his self-titled Fonovisa disc from 1997 -- AMG is crazy, it's awesome and atmospheric and weird.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

Haikunym doesn't "Oda Maritima" remind you a bit of Fred Frith in its melodies and chord changes and some weird structural things and some of its rhythms? (I'm not suggesting anyone involved was influenced by Frith, just saying.) If you like Gravity, try "Oda Maritima," that's what I say.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 01:49 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not very familiar with Frith, outside of Massacre and Skeleton Crew. But yeah, weird stuff, wild. Love how they pump up the Cuban piano chord progression thing with insane string arrangements so it's like they're all going to levitate.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

reminds me more of astor piazzolla!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

I'm just more familiar with Frith than Piazzolla.

I really like this new Zaperoko CD (on Libertad Records, which put out the last Spanish Harlem Orchestra CD) of plain old salsa. It's proof that salsa taking 70s New York salsa as its model doesn't all need to sound the same. It's jazzy and danceable and some parts of the first track almost remind me of Afrobeat (as well as some of Ruben Blades/Willie Colon's Brazilian-tinged experiments).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

Now that someone else has listened to and at least likes Echu Mingua, I want to talk about a bunch of little details. I like the way there's a snippet of what sounds like radio playing what is instantly recognizable as contemporary Cuban music, but from the more popular end of the spectrum than this album. There's something funny about it, but I can't explain why.

Also, what are those pipe sounds that are sampled at the beginning of "Freeform"? They sound like they could be Celtic.

Unfortunately, "Conga Carnaval" loses me. I can tolerate it, but I find it a let-down.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

Los Fabulosos Cadillacs "What's New Pussycat?" - Complex horn arrangements with some big band chromaticism, then the beat goes ska (which isn't the first time this has happened to this song - the Wailers and who knows who else did it mid '60s). Anyway, this does manage to feel both old Jamaican ska and contemporary Argentine ska-punk, and it's a lot of fun, but as often - but not always - happens with the Cadillacs, the vocals don't put forth emotion (or if they do, I don't receive it). During the slow parts, the bass seems to be emulating a tuba. Or maybe they actually call in a tuba, but I don't think so; it still has that plucked boing to it.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 11 February 2006 04:52 (nineteen years ago)

Not that I know anything about contemporary Argentine ska-punk.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 11 February 2006 05:19 (nineteen years ago)

In the middle of Wisin & Yandel's "Dembo - La Mision III" they shift to a Mexican cowboy beat or something (the video has got some cowboys); that is, the bass shifts to a cowboy beat, while the drums stay reggaeton.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 11 February 2006 05:22 (nineteen years ago)

(I suppose I should have posted that on the reggaeton thread, but here I am. Launch Yahoo is playing the Kumbia Kings now.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 11 February 2006 05:23 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry to be a stuck CD, but I'm really enjoying this Angá CD again, even more than I was in the summer and fall. Is it because of getting some consensual validation? Or is it mostly because I hadn't been listening to it that much? I'm noticing things here and there that I had missed. For one thing, I'm noticing the piano more, something I hadn't paid much attention to the first time around.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 11 February 2006 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

Frank, have you heard "Bugarron" by La India? Seems like it would be something you'd like (not that it's a personal favorite).

I just got around to looking up what the word means and found: Slang term used by certain Latino communities to describe men who sleep with other men (usually for money or as an active sexual partner) but do not identify as being gay.

(Note: those two thoughts aren't linked.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 11 February 2006 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

i gotta retract my zimbabwe nkenya and the new jazz recommendation from upthread. the more i listen to the thing, the more i realize it's a pain in the butt to listen to. maybe one and a half real good cuts (track 8, first half of track 9) tops -- they really oughta just stick to the art ensemble style world jazz stuff; otherwise they get lost in their own B.S. (of the high mayhem CDs I heard this year, the most user friendly are pretty clearly derail and uninvited guests. the former is a drone rock trio, the latter an avant jazz band with tunes.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 12 February 2006 01:05 (nineteen years ago)

Never heard "Bugarron." Launch Yahoo has a La India vid from 1992, "Mi Mayor Vergansa." I don't know if this is the same La India. She's a loud, extravagant singer with a rough voice that signifies "I am womanly." This in itself would be fine, but she's all climax and no foreplay, so the va-va-va-voom just becomes wham wham wham after a while.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 12 February 2006 02:15 (nineteen years ago)

but she's all climax and no foreplay

I don't know that song, but that's not a bad description. It's probably the same person. Eddie Palmieri got an EP's worth of good material out of her on an album in the 90s, but even so she isn't the strong point. Also, she recorded one really good song with Celia Cruz.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 12 February 2006 02:41 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, so I've always wondered - -Is La India the salsa singer (who Tom Smucker loves, by the way, and I think wrote about once in the Voice) the same as India the Latin freestyle singer from the late '80s or early '90s? If so, how often has that happened? And when it does, is it the grasping-for-grown-up-respectability I assume it must be? I noticed that Brenda K Starr is billing herself as a salsa singer these days; she's got a show coming up (with Palmieri, maybe? Well, with somebody) in New York a couple weeks from now I think.

xhuxk, Sunday, 12 February 2006 02:49 (nineteen years ago)

(Er...There WAS a Latin freestyle singer called India back then, right? Or did I imagine that?)
(Speaking of Latin freestyle, I did notice that one of the singers from Expose' came out of the closet officially as lesbian a couple weeks ago, but I forget which ex-Expose' it was.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 12 February 2006 02:52 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, same person. I'm not sure it's entirely a matter of going for respectability. I think salsa temporarily became commercially attractive at some point in the 90s, and maybe freestyle was losing steam at that point? I don't know, but I sort of remember someone who should know saying that was the case.

Also, I think La India's husband, Louie Vega, had salsa connections (along with his involvement with house and Latin freestyle).

Brenda K. Starr is an atrocious salsa singer, but she's been doing it for several years now. I haven't heard her other stuff (as far as I know).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 12 February 2006 02:58 (nineteen years ago)

(Actually, I should have said "x-husband, Louie Vega," now that I am fact-checking.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 12 February 2006 03:06 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know why I left this out, but "Bugarron" is from India's brand new album. (I don't know whether to use the La any more, she seems to have dropped it.) It's one of the reggaeton cuts on that album. There's no rapping on it, but it's not a reggaeton version of a salsa song (and there are at least a couple of those on there as well). Actually, I think I like it now. It's certainly catchy.

But overall, I am tired of her snarling on the other songs. Ivy Queen makes a guest appearance on the second half of "Cuando Hieres a una Mujer," and does a pretty good job (more interesting to me than India's singing throughout).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 12 February 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

She was "India" when she was a freestyle singer, and I like almost any freestyle more than the one "La India" track I heard. I saw her live in 1988 on a bill with about ten others (it's in my book, plug plug, release date 16 days away); in general I recall thinking that her songs weren't great as songs and that her big pipes weren't enough to make them matter, but I never tracked down her albums. Also, big pipes aren't always a benefit.

According to the Smucker piece, she loved soul and disco and Gloria Gaynor and Aretha and Janis and the move to the salsa market was because that's where she found a commercial opening in the early '90s. Not that she disliked salsa, but it hadn't been her prime music.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 13 February 2006 00:22 (nineteen years ago)

just posted this on some other thread, who cares which:

I was actually hoping this thread was gonna be about the Winter Olympics opening ceremony last Friday, where all the teams walked in to disco songs, many of them quite gay. I forget which country got "YMCA," but it definitely made the list. The United States got "Daddy Cool" by Boney M, which was hilarious, since the USA might be the only country on earth where it *wasn't* a hit. There were a couple early '80s picks like "Just Can't Get Enough" by Depeche Mode (still their best song ever!) and someting by the Eurythmics, probably "Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This)", but mostly it was total disco revenge. Biggest surprises besides "Daddy Cool" where "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood" by Santa Esmeralda and "Spank" by, who? Jimmy "Bo" Horne? Or am I confusing his spank song with another spank song? Either way: Absolute deep-voiced proto-house. It rocked.

xhuxk, Thursday, 16 February 2006 01:11 (nineteen years ago)

>(Even better: the new Jessica Lurie album, which has a Latin and Eastern European rhythmic influences on certain of its tracks.) <

I should note that I don't particulaly like the tracks on this where Jessica *sings* (especially the one that opens the record), though that may have something to do with me hating most jazz singing period.

xhuxk, Thursday, 16 February 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

World Music died because it was taken over by the media whores and music industry nazis.

ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!! (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Thursday, 16 February 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

Most of it is actually manufactured in another solar system by intelligent life forms that don't know anything about this planet.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 16 February 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

I just got the new Salif Keita disc in the mail. The cover is frightening.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

listening right now to an album from 2000 called *hijos del culo* that i just found in a stack of giveaway cds on a free-stuff table in the voice offices by haikunum argentine (right?) rock en espanol faves bersuit vergerabat. it's sounding pretty good -- possibly better than the one by them i bought for full price at the virgin megastore a couple years ago after haikunym reviewed it in the voice and i believe topped his year-end list with it (i forget what that one was called; it was part one of a two-part series, i think, and somehow prominently featured the band members' penises) but that i wound up selling my copy of about six months later 'cause it never sank in, most likely, if i remember right, because the music just seemed too arch or zappafied for me or something, like it could only be appreciated in theory (which is an extremely vague criticism, but the best i can do right now). anyway, this 2000 one sounds pretty good, in a rock en espanol without enough rock in it kind of way, but one thing i'm noticing is that the drummer kind of sucks -- whatever polyrhythms or counterrhythms they're getting, and they do get some, i don't think they're coming from him. he sounds really stiff! but the singer is good (though maybe more good in a showtune way than a rock way? hmmm; but there is a salsoid emotional pang to his singing even if the hooks don't really grab ahold and hang on like i wish they would, and the band NEVER EVER EVER sounds as outlandish as haikunym seems so convinced by their penis trappings that they do; they never really go over the top and sound unbelievable like so much rock en espanol did in the early to mid '90s but none ever seems to do anymore), and the melodies are okay, and well, okay, i guess sometimes congas or whatever give it an okay barumpabumbum. so maybe sometimes the drummer IS okay, i admit it. but quite often he is not.

xhuxk, Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

okay, i think here's the real deal with the drummer: he can do the latin rhythms just fine, with plenty of subtle swing or whatever, but he cannot do the rock stuff, at all. it's like somebody told him the rock songs are SUPPOSED to be rigid compared to the salsa (or to the mexican polkas, for instance "la petisita culona" right now -- hey, this song is a lot of fun, it belongs on the country thread!). weird.

xhuxk, Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

PDF, report back when you've heard the Keita, I'm really curious

TRG (TRG), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

i also like when carnival background party voices come in, in tracks like "toco y me voy" for instance. CD starts out kind of inept, picks up in the middle, when they start playing with the rhythms more. xp

xhuxk, Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

xhuxk I wish you hadn't sold that CD, as I think it would have grown on you. what I really ended up loving about it was how emotional the long songs in the middle were, very personal responses to their love of their country and their sadness about it, etc.

on the other hand we virtually never hear the same thing in any music we both listen to, so maybe not

anyway, hijos del culo is a great album. last year's testosterona, which i didn't know was out until the day after p&j ballots were due, was kind of a rehash of all their styles, but would still have been my #3 or #4 album of 2005

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

xp: also kind of annoying that, when they decide they do want to sound wild (toward the end of "toco y me voy" say), they try to do it by making their voices all ugly in the most rote monster-metal kind of way. it's totally clumsy, and not convincing at all. probably this is connected to what i meant by calling the other album "arch and zappafied." on the rare times they attempt craziness, i don't buy it.

xhuxk, Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

Phil(pdf): Is the Keita cd you received a US version? Keita put a new cd out on Universal in France last year that topped some 'world' and 'afropop' polls over there(UK and France), but it has yet to come out here in the US I thought. TRG and I wondered about this on the African music 2005 thread.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

xp> personal responses to their love of their country<

well, i don't speak spanish, so for me this is kind of a moot point.

xhuxk, Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

exactly.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, the Keita disc is the US version of M'Bemba, which will be out 6/20 on Universal. It's pretty great, though the cover (dark, with Keita's white face looming out of the gloom) makes it look like a Khold album or something. Buju Banton appears on one song, and there are dubby production tricks on some other tracks. A few of the melodies are overly simplistic/pretty, like children's songs, but for the most part it's a good album.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks PDF, I look forward to hearing it. Also glad to hear it's getting a US release.

TRG (TRG), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

Just got the new Gigi disc, the title of which I can't remember because it's a CD-R and it's in the player right now so I can't check. It's got that Bill Laswell dubby sound, and is kinda late-90s trip-hoppy, which means it probably would have been dated even had it been released two years ago, like they planned. But she's got a good voice. It'll make excellent background music.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

The Iranian magazine, Culture & Music (run by the same people who put out Hermes Records) is planning dedicating one issue a year to selected articles and reviews from Songlines translated into Farsi.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 20 February 2006 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

What's the title of the Gigi?

Patrick South (Patrick South), Monday, 20 February 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

Playing the two-disc (including live disc) Columbia/Legacy reissue of *Santana III* (an album I don't remember actually ever hearing before) again this morning, after playing it a lot over the weekend. It kicks ass. Not sure if this is their most metal album or not, but it's got to be up there -- it's sort of a crime that I put so many Funkadelic albums in *Stairway to Hell* and no Santana ones. Plus: Reissue has THREE versions of "No One to Depend On" (album, single, live), and I *still* don't get tired of hearing the tune -- right now it just went into a riff that Babe Ruth later bit, in "Joker" I think. (And didn't some rap hit sample the chorus a few years ago? I forget what. One more thing reggaeton should be doing.)

xhuxk, Monday, 20 February 2006 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

XhuXk I understand regret over noninclusion of Santana but why you always gotta bag on Funkadelic?

Oh, never mind.

My new obsession is Jovino Santos Neto's album Roda Carioca, Brazilian jazz yes but with much pop sensibility, wild tempos/time signatures, guest shots from Joyce & Hermeto Pascoal; the latter plays "melodica, euphonium mouthpiece, voice on glass with water and chewing gum wrapper" on one song. So much fun, really puts most U.S. jazz out the window like Fred Flintstone always did to that sabertoothed tiger.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 20 February 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

From the towerrecords.com write-up of Echu Mingua:

and there are also deft Latin-style salutes to saxophonist John Coltrane's "A Love Supreme" and Charles Mingus's "Round Midnight."

Charles Mingus, or one of those jazz guys.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 23 February 2006 04:13 (nineteen years ago)

oy vey

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 23 February 2006 05:35 (nineteen years ago)

best song on *the rough guide to nuevo flamenco*: "asereje" by diego carrasco, which at first assumed was a sugarhill gang cover but then i looked at the title and realized it was a las ketchup cover instead, which is even cooler, the other songs are ok when they sound like gipsy kings, i guess. i don't really have much use for flamenco without disco attached.

xhuxk, Sunday, 26 February 2006 03:50 (nineteen years ago)

But the Las Ketchup song was derived from "Rapper's Delight" somehow. (Isn't it about someone not remembmering the words to that?) So you were right.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 26 February 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

oh know, rockist! but it is clearly a cover of las ketchup *covering* "rapper's delight," which was my point.

xhuxk, Sunday, 26 February 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

(oh *I* know i meant)

xhuxk, Sunday, 26 February 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

Haikunym, that Jovino Dos Santos album sounds great. Having trouble finding it, however.

Patrick South (Patrick South), Sunday, 26 February 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

I have a feeling I am really going to like this:

Maurice El Médioni & Roberto Rodriguez
Descarga Oriental
Piranha CD-PIR2003
Full Price (62 mins)
*****

What a blindingly obvious idea, in retrospect. El Médioni, the sprightly 77-year-old Algerian Jewish exile (probably the sole exponent of the Arab-Latin-jazz hybrid he terms ‘oriental piano’) forged his style under the influence of black and Puerto-Rican GIs in the nightspots of 40s Oran. Here he is teamed up with a Latin band. Simple. But who would have guessed it would turn out to be this good?

El Médioni’s rippling oriental keyboard riffs rise to the occasion so buoyantly and gracefully that he sounds at times like a North African Eddie Palmieri. That thick, measured New York Latin bass, so different from any bass El Médioni has previously recorded with, is perfect. The richly syncopated percussion – totally distinct from El Médioni’s usual straight ahead darbuka and drum kit – is subtle and powerful.

There are few other embellishments: a tres as piquant as the rouille in an Oranais fish soup; a trumpet redolent as much of the banda in Oran’s bullring as of a Cuban septeto; and a grainy electronic organ in the moody guajira-ised ‘Tu N’Aurais Jamais Du’. Roberto Rodriguez, notable for his outstanding work with Marc Ribot, leads the accompanists on percussion, and the rhythms are grippingly well-adapted, ranging from son and guaracha variations to a hypnotic shekere-boosted dengue. The nine satisfyingly meaty tracks are partly instrumentals and partly vehicles for El Médioni’s gruff amiable voice, crooning the praises of ‘belle époque’ Oran – the aperos, the nougatiers, the Casino de Canastel with the great entertainers who gave it “la classe et le prestige”. Qualities this record exudes with every note.
Philip Sweeney
--Songlines

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 26 February 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

Patrick try here. And R_S, that sounds freakin' great.

I'm reviewing Cristina Branco's first U.S. concert on her Ulisses tour next Saturday, she's really doing some amazing stuff with fado, including sexing it up (her last album, Sensus, was pretty hotsy totsy) and doing Joni Mitchell's "A Case of You" in fado style, etc.

Just got the most amazing jazz packages from Italy and Brazil, had to share. Pretty impressive: Kaspar Ewalds Exorbitantes Kabinett, album called Reptil, very adventurous big band jazz from Germany (on Italian label Altrisuoni); Banda Mantiqueira, v.a.b.b.j. from Brazil; the second volume of Bocato & Lea Freire's Antologia da Cancao Brasileira, etc.

But the biggest find is this insane 2-CD album by Itibire Orquestra Familia called Calendario do Som. It is a HUGE teaching jazz/classical orchestra led by Itibire Zwarg, a Brazilian bass player, packed with kids who appear to be in their teens and twenties. It's big-band jazz but it's majorly shot through with Third Stream and Webb/Bacharach-type pop (including "ba-ba-ba" vocal breaks just like the 5th Dimension) and tons of Brazilian forms, then caffeinated up so it never rests in one style, no dominant soloist, strange offshoots during every minute. I think this would be JBR's dream disc. Oh, and each of the 27 tracks are "named" for a different bandmember's birthday, which is just effed up.

Sorry for the long ass post.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Sunday, 26 February 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

And R_S, that sounds freakin' great.

As an aside, Algeria is one of the only countries where an Arab style of playing piano has been mostly highly developed. That's one reason I expect this could be good.

Those CDs you mention sound interesting too, especially the Itibire Orquestra Familia.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 26 February 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

I've been listening to the Sos Lazaga's Entre Amigos from last year. There's too much of a charanga/smooth jazz feeling throughout for my taste (and I somehow think the whole stately charanga/danzon tradition makes Cuban's susceptible to liking smooth jazz more than they should), but there are some interesting things going on here and there. The particular blend of religious (and, I guess, rumba) rhythms and singing style with charanga/jazz/smooth jazz is a little unusual. My favorite cut so far is "Chango" which is funky smooth jazz office radio meets Santeria devotional music, but I like it. But did the world need a medley of "Misty/You Must Remember This" with charanga violin and smooth jazz framework? Even with the unexpected rhythms, I can't see it.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 26 February 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

Is anybody ever going to check out Ali Aldik? Chuck, I am 77% sure you would like him. He's a Syrian-Lebanese singer who does updated debka (and, I guess, shabai), with programmed beats and electric organs/synthesizers, constantly rotating instrumental timbres coming in and out, and occasional rhythmic references to western dance styles (and also what seem to me to be intentional allusions to Egyptian new sound). Some of it is a bit dated sounding, but at the same time I can't remember hearing anything quite like this before (and it happens to be dated sounding in ways that I like).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 27 February 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

New Tom Ze album is good! Almost as good as the CD booklet, which is unbelievably pretentious but still really fun! I have yet to parse specifics yet, though. Also I have heard the donkey hee haws but not the lady orgasms; maybe that was when I left the room.

Lucas Prata *Let's Get It On* on my probably favorite dance label Ultra is excellent outer borough guido-disco (see also: Razor & Guido a few years ago) from I think Queens since that's what it says on his t-shirt in some photos on the inner sleeve unlike the front cover where he's wearing a superhero costume, plus I bet he weighs 200 pounds easy, probably more. Also he covers "The Ma Ya Hi Song" as he calls it by Romanians (I think) O-Zone which I voted for as one of my top ten singles last year. Plus his ballads split the difference between boy band pop & early '80s power ballad rock. Even more interestingly, tracks like "Never Be Alone" sound quite Italo-disco, which makes me wonder what the connection is between Italo-disco from Italy and guido-disco from Queens and Brooklyn Hmmm....

xhuxk, Sunday, 5 March 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

Hooray for new Karsh Kale, which never really cooks (by design, I think, in keeping with much Indian music from India, because of the whole film thing) but is frequently quite beautiful and a great thing to listen to while walking at 6 a.m. in 16 degree weather.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Sunday, 5 March 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

More on Lucas Prata: I doubt HE (or his fans) call(s) his music "guido disco," of course. I'm not sure *what* they would call it -- I'm guessing just the annoyingly all-purpose "club music," maybe? If anybody knows, I'm interested. Also he defintely connects to the tradition of "tough-looking New Yawk Italian American guys singing in angelic falsettos," a tradition that harks back at least to Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons. (How often did Dion falsetto? Or Frank Sinatra? Assuming Hoboken counts as an outer borough. Um...Vito and the Salutations??)

xhuxk, Sunday, 5 March 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

(Also I guess I'm assuming he IS Italian American, which i suppose it's possible he might not be. But most of the evidence does seem to lean in that direction, as far as I can tell.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 5 March 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

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xhuxk, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

So what can anybody tell me about Tania Maria? I've always seen her LPs in stores, never gave her two seconds thought before, but this week a reissue of her 1974 album "with Boto and Helio" *Via Brasil* came in the mail, and it has two Jorge Ben covers (including one medley) and an Antonia Carlos-Jobim cover, and I am liking it a lot, but I have no idea where she fits in except that I assume some people must confuse her with Teena Marie. Can anybody help?

xhuxk, Saturday, 11 March 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

She is mostly U.S.-based, mostly jazz, very "swinging" and kinda sappy-but-spicy. I have a best-of that I listen to every few months and it's fun.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 11 March 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

thanks matt!

also, from teenpop thread:

speaking of Reggaeton Ninos, I noticed in Billboard this week that there is one other album (*La Pluma Negra* by El Chichiuilte -- sounds Mexican, right?) that is both on the "Top Kid Audio Albums" chart and the "Top Latin Albums" chart, always a good sign. Anybody know anything about it or them? (Also in Billboard: "Love of My Life," a duet with Reina off the Louis Prata guido-disco album I mention above, is at #16 on the "Dance Airplay" chart. Good for him!)

xhuxk, Saturday, 11 March 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

turns out sometimes (in the antonia carlos jobim song, i.e.) tania maria sings in a one note range all through the song, which really bugs me. is that a samba or bossa nova thing i just hadn't noticed before? anyway, my feelings about the album are more mixed than i thought.

xhuxk, Sunday, 12 March 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

i just got this 3-disc smithsonian "music of central asia" set. contemporary musicians doing traditional kyrgz, tajik, uzbek and afghan music. it's kinda nifty. the kyrgz jew's-harp stuff is pretty droney and weird.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 12 March 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

In the realm of contemporary Middle Eastern-flavored art music, a new Anouar Brahem album due out on ECM soon, Le Voyage de Sahar [ECM 1915], featuring the same line-up of oud, accordion, and piano as on his finest album, Le pas du chat noir. Still no American tour dates, though.

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Sunday, 12 March 2006 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

the kyrgz jew's-harp stuff is pretty droney and weird.

I think that's the only Central Asian music I've heard that I like. That and a couple poppy Afghan things.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 12 March 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

I think I've only gotten Vol. 1 of that Central Asian series so far, but I'm pretty unlikely to listen to any of 'em, so whatever.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 12 March 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

This (from the "birth of the flattened cool: the origins of the indie voice?" thread) might answer my question about monotoned bossa nova: >Astrud (famously dissed by jazzists for her lack of affect)< And my own hatred of flattened voices is kinda famous too, maybe.

Anyway, in the end, I decided Tania Maria didn't cut it, Jorge Ben covers or no.

xhuxk, Monday, 13 March 2006 01:08 (nineteen years ago)

just got this 3-disc smithsonian "music of central asia" set. contemporary musicians doing traditional kyrgz, tajik, uzbek and afghan music. it's kinda nifty. the kyrgz jew's-harp stuff is pretty droney and weird.
-- gypsy mothra (meetm...), March 12th, 2006.

Nothing really pop about these releases, although the dvd and liner notes make clear that these musics have updated their ethnic minimalist folk traditions a bit. They've started to grow on me with repeated listenings. On Disc 2, Tajikistan’s Academy of Maqam sings Sufi Muslim poetry in Tajik, a dialect of Persian, over the classical rhythms of frame drums and lutes. I like when the women vocalists sing. On disc 3 Homayun Sakhi strums and picks Indian derived ragas on the rubab, an Afghan lute. Sakhi lives now in Fremont, California--I just learned that Fremont has more Afghans than any other city in America.

They're gonna be in DC on Wednesday and Thursday for the start of a short US tour.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Monday, 13 March 2006 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry to keep harping on it, but have any of you been receiving review copies of the new Fania reissues?

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 13 March 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

Nope. I gotta figure out who's handling 'em.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 13 March 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

>Nothing really pop about these releases<

though Ben Ratliff (I believe) compared their droning to "certain slow metal bands" (or something like that; don't have the review in front of me) (and also to Indian music) in this morning's Times!

xhuxk, Monday, 13 March 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

New Karsh Kale sounds a lot like old Karsh Kale, but has a couple of songs that sound like rock and at least one that sounds like European electropop-gone-Indian. Nothing too spectacularly weird, but lush and beautiful.

Also: Charles Lloyd's upcoming Sangam on ECM is a live trio album with drummer Eric Harland and the world's best tabla player, Zakir Hussein. I just got it in the mail. In two words: GOT DAMN.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 13 March 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

Nope. I gotta figure out who's handling 'em.

They're due out on Wednesday I think. Good to know they are already wasting the opportunity to bring new attention to the Fania catalogue. (If not now, with Barretto's recent death, a movie about Lavoe in the works, and somewhat heightened awareness of Puerto Rican music, thanks to reggaeton, when?)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 13 March 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

Panama! Latin, Funk and Calypso on the Isthmus 1965-75

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 13 March 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

I read somewhere that V2 International is somehow involved with distributing the Miami-based Emusica Fania releases. I guess reviewers will have to track down contacts at one of those 2 companies to get any of the material.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Monday, 13 March 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

Does MC Rai count as world music? He appears to be from Californina, one guy with something like 20 pals helping him out with different (often exotic world) instruments on different songs; rai's his main thing, but also hip-hop, rock, electronica, etc, except those are already in rai in the first place right? Can't find my CD booklet right now, but I like it.

Do Perspehone's Bees count as world music? I know I saw their name in Billboard, but can't remember whether it was on one of the European charts or on the dance chart. Music is Eurodancepop from, uh, somewhere; I don't have the press release handy. Album out on Columbia next month. Girl singer, though she sounds like new wave era Geddy Lee or maybe the guy from Sparks on the first song, and the second one has her saying you're on the bottom and she's on the top climbing, and "Nice Day" is totally pretty and summery, and "Muzika Dlya Fil'ma" has a title in some world language or other, and closer "Home" brings it back home with an extended Link Wray twang rumble. Cool, but what the heck?

Do Boom Boom Satellites count as world music? They're from Japan, and a goofy sort of a throwback to Chemical Prodigy Bros big beat, and Matt likes their new album too and he is right (I was gonna say for a change but I won't). Anyway, the last Boom Boom Satellites CD I got was five years ago and had their pictures on the cover but this one sadly does not!

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 March 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

And oh yeah also *Culture De L'Incoherence* by French undie instro avant dub hip-hop collective or whatever the Trolls and *Newtones* (not out til May 9) by Detroit Afrobeaters who put Antibalas to shame let me tell you Nomo: both world and both worthy. I'd say.

Turns out Persephone's Bees (who I spelled right this time) are San Franciscans with a Russian singer (as somebody on the teen-pop thread less google-lazy than I found out.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 March 2006 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

And I did not even put on the new Grupo Extermindor or Conjunto Primavera CDs yet!

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 March 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

I only get more NPRish promos...I'll have to look up the stuff you're mentioning.

Over on that Luciano thread(the microhouse guy not the reggae singer) they keep raving about a mix he did of a Salif Keita song. I see that was originally on a 1,500 copies only box set of Salif Keita remixes. African microhouse--now there's a concept.

curmudgeon (Steve K), Sunday, 19 March 2006 03:47 (nineteen years ago)

from the metal thread:

So how come nobody has been talking about the new Rammstein album, *Rosenrot*? Probably because like me they figured it was just like all those other Rammstein albums, and so like me they were procrastinating about getting to it. Well, it IS sort of like all the other Rammstein albums (the ones I've heard), but it's also very good beginning to end, and it has all sorts of catchy parts and bodybuilder parts and beautiful parts and sad parts and airy parts and Falco parts and funny parts. Right now my favorite tracks are opener "Benzin" (because I understand what "alcohol" and "gasoline" and "kerosene" mean plus they all work like hooks), "Wu Bist Du" (because I understand what the title, also a hook, means, and I like how the easy-listening opening -- which quotes I think some very famous song, though I'm not sure which one - makes way for Sprockets-metal overdrive), "Strib Nicht Vor Mir/Don't Die Before I Do" (for the opera lady dueting in English), and especially "Te Quiero Puta!", which I mentioned above (for its mariachi horns and people saying "amigo" and "si senor"). The "Bring Me Edelweiss" type yodeling leading into "Zerstoren" is also zehr wunderbar sauerbraten.
-- xhuxk (xedd...), March 20th, 2006.
And oh yeah, there is also "Spring." Which I believe is about spring.
-- xhuxk (xedd...), March 20th, 2006.
>So how come nobody has been talking about the new Rammstein album, *Rosenrot*?
Because it still hasn't been released in the US? I love it, though, except for "Te Quiero Puta," which just sounds like they're making fun of their huge South American fanbase.
-- pdf (newyorkisno...), March 20th, 2006.
Ha ha, I totally disagree. Continental Europeans pretending to be Latin Americans (the Off, Magazine 60, Two Man Sound, Los Umbrellos, I think all those guys fit in there, and where were the Gibson Brothers from?) is one of my all-time favorite musical genres. And I'm not sure, but I think it's quite possible this is the funkiest song that Rammstein has ever done.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 01:30 (nineteen years ago)

And oops, I left out Rammstein's countryman Lou Bega! "Te Quiero Puta!" is the "Mambo No. 5" of industrial metal!!

xhuxk, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 01:37 (nineteen years ago)

Not to mention the Boney M of "Consuela Biaz" and "Chica Da Silva" (their Jorge Ben cover) (but not "El Lute," they were merely pretending to be Spaniards in that one) and the Abba of "Fernando"...okay, I will stop now.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 02:05 (nineteen years ago)

I like the fact that Global Rhythms is sneaking in reviews of some fringes-of-jazz stuff, specifically Lost Brother (Cooper-Moore, Hamid Drake, Assif Tsahar) in this case. I assume someone on this thread might have something to do with that, but maybe not. It's not so much that I think "world music" has to be improved by slipping in some avant-garde stuff, but I just happen to be interested in that CD, and I think it probably is something that would appeal to people who like, say, field recordings from. . . wherever. (I probably won't get this CD though, because I don't think I'm going to like what Assif Tsahar is playing on it.)

I'm not really looking forward to death metal type things being smuggled across the border into the world music world, but maybe I'll find something that pleasantly surprises me.

I'm listening to the new Dhafer Youssef disc

He was on the last Jon Hassell album, too (in case you didn't know).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

speaking of smuggling things across the world music border (from senegal to new jersey in akon's case), from the teenpop thread:

>finally bought the akon CD today at princeton record exchange, after procrastinating for like 2 1/2 years. (he belongs on the teen-pop thread because frank said he does, in the first post.) "locked up" and "ghetto" are even better than i remembered. who i'm realizing he sometimes reminds me of is shinehead. (he also belongs on the world music thread! and if there was an industrial thread, the percussion of "locked up" would belong there!)
-- xhuxk (xhux...), March 25th, 2006.

more akon thoughts: (1) i think i like the version of "locked up" without styles p better than the version with him since i prefer the jail-guitar-door slamming effects to his rapping; (2) when "lonley" was played on radio disney, did they just bleep the "bullshit," or what?; (3) "ghetto" is the song that reminds me of shinehead -- when akon's not as good, he reminds me more of shaggy, which is still okay; (4) best non-hit maybe: "journey."
-- xhuxk (xedd...), March 26th, 2006.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 29 March 2006 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

I guess I should buy a copy of Global Rhythms. Isn't it the one that always is wrapped in plastic with a cd underneath. I can't, uh, skim it at the newstand this way.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

Been playing the Grupo Exterminador and Conjunto Primavera on and off for the past week or so, too. Matt, if you're out there, have you heard these? I'm not sure what to think of them. I mean, I've liked all four Grupo Exterminador CDs I've heard including this one (and especially the best-of one I've got), but give or take one song that seems to inch slightly into hip-hop territory, I'm not sure what the new one is telling me that I didn't already know. (If I spoke Spanish, it probably *would* be telling me stuff I don't already know, but I don't, much.) The new Conjunto Primavera is telling me that their main singer has a gorgeous high register in his voice, but probably the previous one I heard by them told me the same thing; it just registered more subconcsiously. Not sure what else to say about these; maybe I'll have more ideas when I listen more, but I'm not as motivated to do so as I wish I was. (Oh, here's another thing to say, or rather ask: Are Conjunto Primavera actually considered a conjunto band, or something else? And are Grupo Exterminador considred banda, or narcocorrido, or what? I never have any idea where to draw those lines between Mexican border genres. Is somebody can help, please do.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 29 March 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

I guess I should buy a copy of Global Rhythms.

I don't know if I'd go that far.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

Chicago-based writer Peter Margasak recently went to Brazil. He's done some interesting postings, with music, on his blog

http://worldlydisorientation.blogs.com/worldlydisorientation/2006/03/instigating_wow.html

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

Artists to be featured in Global Rhythm sometime soon: Dhafer Youssef, Cabruera, Rodrigo y Gabriela, The Bug, Korpiklaani.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

and Richard Thompson and Asha Bhosle too!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

While we're plugging magazines, there's a new issue of The Beat out as well, and I saw 3 publications covering different genres of Spanish-language music at the newstand at Tower also.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

from teenpop thread:

here's how i'd rank the recent teenpop/worldpop hits that frank kogan just burned for me (at least today; these rankings could easily change tomorrow):

1. lily allan (u.k. i guess?) "LDN"
2. wir sind helden (germany) "von hier an blind"
3. aly & aj (u.s.a. i guess?) "rush" (this reminds of joshua clover i think it was calling beth orton's song with the chemical brothers i think it was a cross between fairport convention and silver convention, except this blows anything by beth orton out of the water)
4. mahsar (iran) "vase chi"
5. tinchy stryder f. wiley (u.k.?) "uptown girl"
6. cansei de ser sexy (brazil) "let's make love and listen death from above" (a reference to how skye likes death from above 1979 these days?)
7. light beat (tunisia) "nhary liel"
8. amy diamond (sweden) "what's in it for me"
9. saian supa crew (france) "la patte"
10. dx7 (spain) "el plan semanal"

(and even that #10 one is pretty good, i admit)

xhuxk, Thursday, 30 March 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

oh wow, Boom Boom Satellites are still active? I saw them about seven years ago--they do a great live show, jumping around and very full of energy. Have to check out the new album.

patita (patita), Thursday, 30 March 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

Guys, check out two new Mick Karn (bassist of Japan, in case you didn't know) tracks from his forthcoming 'Three Part Species' album.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=65232492

"Twitchy Hand Mover" is a bit more world sounding, but "Of and About" is in the realm as well.

Also, check his site www.mickkarn.net if you're interested in his new single, which has one album track "All You Have" and another single-only track.

Anyway, he's London based, so not "world" in that regard. But if you've heard his fretless bass playing, you'll understand. And, no, I'm not street team...just a big fan.

Patrick South (Patrick South), Thursday, 30 March 2006 22:27 (nineteen years ago)

Imminent new Natacha Altas album *Mish Maoul* is sounding really good to me, especially the tracks where she seems to incoroporate African music and the one ("Bathaddak") that she partially sings in English. I was going to say that it seemed more dancepop-energized and less folkloric than most of her last few (all of which I've liked, few of which I've loved), and then I noticed in the advance promo's liner note that "it also reunites her again with the temple of sound's nick page aka count dubulah, with whom she first worked in transglobal underground and who helped produce her very first solo album *Diaspora*", from 1995, which is still by far my favorite one that she's made. So there you go.

xhuxk, Sunday, 2 April 2006 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

Eww.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 2 April 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

She's probably spent too much time in Egypt, and absorbed all the bad dance pop that is so popular there. Of course, I haven't heard it myself, so maybe I will even like it. (I don't really love anything by her, but she comes real close sometimes.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 2 April 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

I keep meaning to listen to that, and then I listen to the new Sussan Deyhim (recorded in 2000, but just coming out now) instead. Deyhim's also on a few tracks from the soundtrack to the Showtime show Sleeper Cell; I've never seen it, but I got the CD in the mail, and it's pretty good.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 2 April 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think I want that Descarga Oriental after all. Styles of Cuban music I find boring mixed with styles of N. African piano playing that I find boring. I would listen to it a few times, then get it out occasionally, but never with any real enthusiasm I think.

(Also, I think Diaspora was my least favorite Atlas CD, of the ones I've heard.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 8 April 2006 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

RS, I think you did not find boring that Cuban cd from the former(?) Los Van Van singer whose name I just forgot, from last year. I am curious about what makes Cuban music non-boring for you.

Filmfest DC (filmfestdc.org) from April 19 to April 30th includes a bunch of world music related offerings:

"Brasileirinho"-Finnish Director Mika Kaurismaki's 90 minute doc of the Brazilian genre of choro (Paulo Moura, Elza Soares and others)

"Bellek" -A 54 minute documentary by Belgian director Bart Van Dijk about the hiphop scene in the Moroccan city of Sale (including breakdacing to an acoustic guitar version of James Brown's "Sex Machine")

"Crossing the Bridge-The Sweet Sound of Istanbul"-90 minutes on Istanbul "classical Arabesque...indie rock and rap"

"East of Havana"-a Charlize Theron(!) produced(directed by others) 86 minute look at 3 Cuban rappers(names not given)

"Favela Rising"-said to be about Brazil's afroreggae scene (82 min.)

"Hali Halisi"-30 minute doc on rap in Tanzania

"Hiphop Colony"-97 minutes on Kenyan rap and a Kenyan rap hybrid called Genge music

"Hiphop Planet"-a bunch of shorts about rap in Cuba, Palestine, Chile, Brazil, Argentina, Senegal and the US

"Le Fabri-K"-62 minute cuban hiphop doc

"Maria Bethania: Music is Perfume"-82 minute doc on this Brazilian singer

"Piaf: her stories...her songs"

"This is Bossa Nova-The History and Stories"-129 minutes

"U-Carmen eKhayelitsha"-126 minute South African adaptation of Carmen in the South African language of Xhosa


curmudgeon (Steve K), Saturday, 8 April 2006 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

>I am curious about what makes Cuban music non-boring for you.<

Great question! (I have wondered this many times myself.) Of all Latin-American musics, I have long been convinced that the Cuban stuff may well be the boring stuff available.

xhuxk, Saturday, 8 April 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

I am curious about what makes Cuban music non-boring for you.

I really can't formulate it, but most traditional Cuban music doesn't do much for me (despite my liking lots of salsa, which is clearly rooted in Cuban music, but somehow different--unless it happens to be salsa cubana). Exceptions: I seem to like bolero. I like some Afro-Cuban rumba/religious music, but even that's not really my favorite thing. (Also I seem to prefer it mixed with something else, like in a couple tracks from the Sos Lazaga album that came out last year.) I have started to warm somewhat to Beny More, even when he's singing something other than boleros, so my taste could change.

Apparently, I just don't hear what's going on in Cuban music, since many many people, musicians and others, whose opinions I respect, swear by it. But I'm certainly not going to force the issue.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 8 April 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

Sometimes I think I just want to steal everybody else's culture. Maybe that's what it means to be of West European ancestry.

Culture stealer, Saturday, 8 April 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

Yep. Being of European Jewish heritage, I feel a tad guilty for not liking klezmer more. I've been getting some Eastern European cd promos in the mail and they never interest me too much. I need to give some baltic stuff I have received another chance.

On the Cuban stuff, I love Celia Cruz who is from Cuba but moved to the US in 62 so I guess she does not count. I also love some old Los Van Van and NPR faves Buena Vista Social Club. Now the most recent Los Van Van cd I had did not impress me--it lacks the spark of earlier stuff by them, and does not offer the same thrill as Puerto Rican salsa. I have not heard much Cuban rap.

We need Ned Sublette and that Yale professor (whose name I've just spaced on) to school us on more Cuban sounds.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Saturday, 8 April 2006 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

I do like some Los Van Van. (Also NG La Banda -- are they from there? I forget.)

Have frankly never remotely understood the appeal of Buena Vista Social Club. (And I am well aware that that makes me a total asshole, but I can't help it, I was born that way.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 8 April 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, NG La Banda are from Cuba. (I just checked.) Also Irakare, who I've liked stuff by in the past as well. (So probably what I meant was "Of all Latin-American musics, I have long been convinced that Buena Vista Social Club may well be the boring stuff available." Which is a gross exagerration -- much Latin-American is *far* more boring than Buena Vista Social Club, obviously - but for now it will have to stand.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 8 April 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't know you guys talked about Akon and the Boom Boom Satellites on this thread, i'll have to check it out more often!

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 8 April 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

I did read Sublette's book Cuba & Its Music, and thought it was very good, but it didn't change how I hear things. (On the other hand, reading about music almost never does change how I hear things, as far as I can tell.)

I thought you (curmudgeon) liked Cuban music a lot more than I did. Since there are only a handful of specific recent Cuban songs (that I've heard) that I do like, maybe I should attempt to write something about each of them (but not now).

x-post:

Have frankly never remotely understood the appeal of Buena Vista Social Club.

I think I understand what some of the appeal is (the legend around them, the movie, etc.) but as far as the music itself is concerned, I don't like it all that much really.

x-posts

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 8 April 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

xhuxk seems to be on a mission to cross-fertilize the rolling threads.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 8 April 2006 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

i like the akon song where he samples Fun Boy 3 (another world-beat crossover group) and i started a thread on it, but nobody else likes that song on ilm apparently.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 8 April 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

so sad:

Is Akon's Bananza (Belly Dancer) The First Great Use Of A Fun Boy 3 Sample????

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 8 April 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

Also, xhuxk, you apparently like a bunch of Cuban bands I don't like (except for Van Van, sometimes) which the Cuban music hipsters consider fore-runners of modern timba, so you are doing pretty good. I haven't heard anything by NG La Banda or Irakere that I've liked.

I have liked individual (but sometimes only one) tracks by: Maonlin, Sixto Llorente, Cesar Pedroso, Felix Baloy, Sos Lazaga, Juan de Marcos Afro Cuban All Stars (last album), and Don Dinero (who is basically Latin rap), off the top of my head.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 8 April 2006 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

I've heard the Fun Boys 3! Is it not plural?

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 8 April 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

No, it is just Fun Boy 3. Or FB3 for short. I'm not big on Cuban music either. Although I do have a couple of swinging dance band kinda records from the 50's that are good.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 8 April 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

I like that Akon song fine! (Though it is not one of my favorites by him.)

*Now Latino: !Esto Es Muscio! Latino: 30 Chart-Topping Hits* has both songs that are more boring than Buena Vista Soical Club (Luis Fonsi's "Estoy Perdido," Sin Bandera's "Suelta Mi Mano", etc.) and songs that are less boring than Buena Vista Social Club (La 5a Estacion's "Daria," Chayanne's "No Te Preocupes Por Mi," etc.) But I have not listened to the whole thing, and may not for months. And I am on the fence about the reggaeton songs.

Here's what I just wrote on the country thread about the world music album I've listened to the most so far this year, even though it apparently came out in 1994 on Tritonkt Records:

>And by the way, have I noted how over the top insanely great that *Texas Bohemia: Polkas Waltzes Schottisches: The Texas Bohemian-Moravian-German Bands* album I bought at Princeton Record Exchange a couple weeks ago is? Well, it is. It's barely left my CD changer since, and the amazing thing is that I keep forgetting it's not Mexican music, which it absolutely sounds like until they start singing in German or whatever. Some of the bands are really big, but some of them just seem to consist of nothing more than a drum and a tuba. Pick hits: Adolph Hofner "Beautiful America - Waltz" 1959 (in which he says everything in America is beautiful including the girls. I have a great album on vinyl by him, too. Must have been really hard to have a name like that in America in the 50s!); Vrazel & Majeks & Bobby Jones Czech Band "Corn Cockle Polka" 1992 (party in the background rock!), Tuba Meisters "Edelweiss" 1993 (yes, that "Edelweiss", but not the "Bring Me..." one); Henry Tannenberger & his Orchestra "On Our Porch Polka" 1986 (on Oompah Records out of San Antonio!); The Red Ravens "Stone Heart Waltz" 1977; Leroy Ryback's Swinging Orchestra "El Rancho Grande" 1985; Knutsch Band "Zwei Wie Mir Zwei" 1993; Vrazels & Majeks & Bobby Jones Czech Band (again!) "A Ja Sam (All By Myself)" 1992.

xhuxk, Saturday, 8 April 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

x-post re Akon and re Cuban music

I only know Akon's "Lonely" and I like that. I saw an article on him in Fader where they had nice pictures of him going back to visit his musician father in Africa.

I like Cubanismo and I saw a documentary on Cuban music at an earlier year's version of that Filmfest DC that I mentioned above that included music I liked. There are other Cubans I like but I am spacing on their names right now. Hmmm, maybe despite the fact that Cubans manage to hear sounds from elsewhere and ocassionally get to tour the world, they are still isolated in such a way that affects their music.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Saturday, 8 April 2006 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

reggaeton is passe, merengueton is what's happening!!!:)

Merengueton Concert & Music Video Filming Tonight at Bravo Bravo As Part of International Fridays

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curmudgeon (DC Steve), Sunday, 9 April 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

weirdly, when i first started hearing about "reggaeton" a few years ago (around the time of the reggaeton remix of lil jon's "get low", which definitely fits this definition), i thought it was *all* going to be at merengue tempo. that changed quick! So now maybe it's changing back, or the stuff that was called reggaeton at first has a whole new name. Or something.

xhuxk, Sunday, 9 April 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

Can we talk about Shiina Ringo on the world music thread? I am a late arrival at almost instantaneous fandom. Maybe this will pass, but I do plan on ordering Tokyo Jihen's Adult.

x-post:

I think dance music genres in general are pretty liberal about creating new hybrid names for new hybrids. I've already also seen salsaton and bachataton (I think), and remember there has been merenhouse for a long time.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 9 April 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

...Or new hybrid names for OLD hybrids (which is what this sounds like to me.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 9 April 2006 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

I keep meaning to listen to that, and then I listen to the new Sussan Deyhim (recorded in 2000, but just coming out now) instead. Deyhim's also on a few tracks from the soundtrack to the Showtime show Sleeper Cell; I've never seen it, but I got the CD in the mail, and it's pretty good.
-- pdf (newyorkisno...), April 2nd, 2006.

Just listened to that Sussan Deyhim this weekend. With the aid of downtown NY jazz folks she gives traditional Persian material an other-worldly kinda gothic feel.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Monday, 10 April 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

I'm listening to a clip from the new Natacha Atlas album and this one track maintains a pretty standard Egyptian shabi (sp?) framework (not that I don't believe you that there is other stuff on the CD, xhuxk).

http://www.rashid.com/search_result.asp?special=New+Release

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 10 April 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

More clips here:

http://www.musicomh.com/audio/natacha-atlas_0406.htm#

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 10 April 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

This may even be the whole album, rather than just excerpts.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 10 April 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

First track: definitely dub/downtempo-ish, but it still ends up having more of an Arab feel than what I remember on Diaspora (which I care about because I like that, I remind everyone, not because I am arbitrarily a stickler for purity).

Okay, now the second track is pretty annoying so far, with this "it's freaky baby" rap chorus.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 10 April 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, this is pretty crappy. I don't think she's that great a singer really. If she were, it might make up for some of the awful moves made otherwise. There are plenty of nice instrumental timbres here, but I can get them in contexts I find more palatable.

Ahmed Adawaia still rules Egyptian style shabi, imo.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 10 April 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

rockist, I'd love it if you'd talk about shiina ringo on the Shiina Ringo thread, I feel pathetic being the only one who ever wakes it up

good to know about a new sussan deihim record

if anyone into tuvan throat singing is looking for a band doing something new with it, I recommend Chirgilchin's 'Collectible' from last year -- really spacy and floating and built out of layered harmonics than melodies than Huun-Huur-Tu or Yat-Kha.

http://www.purenaturemusic.com/chirgilchin.htm

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 10 April 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

built _more_ out of layered harmonics than melodies, _like_ Huun-Huur-Tu or Yat-Kha

about Huun-Huur-Tu, I've really been enjoying their Live 1 & Live 2 albums from a few years back recently. they really seem to catch fire when they're in front of a crowd.

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 10 April 2006 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

milton, I've only just this week started listening to her, largely thanks to your mentions of Tokyo Jihen's Adult, so I don't think I have anything to say yet (although I guess I could say something anyway). She has incredible stage presence in those videos. I'm not sure what it is.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 10 April 2006 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

I feel like Tokyo Jihen (and Shiina Ringo in general) might be an answer to the question: "what do I want to listen to alongside Kate Bush's Aerial?" Also, I wonder if I am developing a real appetite for pop rock songs with faux jazz sections.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 10 April 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

have you heard KZK yet?

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 10 April 2006 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

I've only been watching youtube videos, but I think I want to start with Adult and maybe work back.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 10 April 2006 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

I'm a little surprised that there isn't more of an ILM cult for her, but she might be too conventionally musical for that (as compared to someone like MIA with "sonics" on her side, but zzzz).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 10 April 2006 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

Not that you have to pick sides or anything. Anyway, it's a shock that I have immdeiately liked (at least a little) almost every video of hers that I've watched, on first viewing/exposure to the songs.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 10 April 2006 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

I'm a little surprised too, but I think time's on her side. It's Shiina who has the sonics -- wait till you hear KZK, it's the most impossibly produced pop record of this decade. everything everyone's usually on about is usually just retro consolidation or pastiche, but KZK is new.

the first Jihen record had a few fantastic songs, but it was transitional. Karuki Zamen Kuri No Hana is the one before that, and the "Ringo No Uta" cd single ends with Ringo Catalog.

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 10 April 2006 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

I like it.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 10 April 2006 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
So here is a trio of world musicky show preview listings that I wrote for Voice in the past seven years that for some reason or other never ran, and now they can be disposed of:

OUTERNATIONAL -- This ethnically mongrel local quintet's three-song EP, produced by Eugene Hutz of Gogol Bordello, suggests Rancid's Tim Armstrong sort-of-rapping vague but well-meaning political slogans with his worn-and-torn throat over a ska-jazz-Latin-klezmer-horned rockero mixture that wouldn't have sounded out of place in Argentina or Mexico circa 1993.

PARIS COMBO -- These escargot-eating eclectiques get variously filed under "jazz," "flamenco," "chanson," and "cabaret", but their faster songs actually new-wave in the goofily percussive rhumba-on-rai tradition of Les Negresses Vertes or Les Rita Mitsouko. And 2001’s passingly delectable (and recently reissued) *Attraction* had fewer slow snores than earlier efforts.

CORDERO -- Bilingually Latin-lilting Brooklyn quintet, led by a Puerto Rican-American woman who grew up in Atlanta and later absorbed Mexican rhythms in Tuscon. Not as oddball as somewhat comparable Calexico or Caramelize; too folkloric, for one thing. But pleasant. On their new CD, Antibalas's hor

xhuxk, Wednesday, 26 April 2006 11:42 (nineteen years ago)

Got a great Pak-rock CD in the mail the other day and just put it in this afternoon. Salman Ahmad, lead guitarist for the massively successful Pakistani rock band Junoon, put out his first solo album, Infiniti, under the name Junooni. It's pretty hard-rocking stuff at times, especially "Terey Liye," which is like a cut from a particularly Indian-fixated Robert Plant disc. And he's playing at Laguardia Community College on June 3. I doubt I'll go, but it could be worth checking out.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 27 April 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

Some great new stuff sez me
*Lila Downs La Cantina (lovingly deconstructionist takes on "typical" Mexican music, and really hooky pop too)
*Maurice el Medioni Descarga Oriental (Algerian-Jewish pianist/singer gets together with smart-ass Cuban expatriate Roberto Rodriguez to do it up big, Cuban music used in a non-boring way + Arabic pop = funn)
*The Chicago Classical Oriental Ensemble Presents...The Songs of Sheikh Sayyed Darweesh: Soul of a People (New intl group doing up some very awesome songs by Egyptian master, trad but not boring-trad, interesting to see what they do next)
*Himesh Reshammiya, Aap Kaa Surroor (first album by hip Bollywood composer/singer, lyrics by hip Bollywood dude Sameer, seductive lush pop with techno and arena rock edges, bonus remix/"unplugged" disc, all for $9.99 at my local Indian market)
*Los Tigres del Norte, Historias Que Contar (improvement on last year's entry from these tough-ass nortenos, songs about trying to explain U.S./Mexican life to a radio talkshow host as well as drug deals gone sour and love problems)
*Stella Chiweshe, Double Check (new stuff and old -- double CD -- from Zimbabwe's female mbira superstar, new stuff called "trance hits" and that's right, lots of psychedelic overdubs and trippy drums and songs about baboons protecting the people and lost heroes)
*Boban Markovic Orkestar, The Promise (rowdy Balkan brass, lots of d'n'b / New Orleans trickiness to the beats, plus his son Marko is now featured trumpeter and he RULES)
*The Bennie Maupin Ensemble, Penumbra (Miles Davis' bass clarinet player is still going, jazz album but very African / AACM vibe, so pretty)

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 28 April 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

Has anyone mentioned Toumani Diabate & Symmetric Orchetstra - Boulevard de L'independence? It's great...very full arrangements.

Patrick South (Patrick South), Friday, 28 April 2006 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

The Downs disc is fantastic. Haven't listened to any of the others, but was thinking about checking out the Chiweshe, and brought the Bennie Maupin disc home with me for the weekend (cause you know I love both electric Miles and Mwandishi).

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 28 April 2006 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

Right now I'm listening to Chavela's Live At Carnegie Hall album. She's a Mexican singer semi-infamous for being a man's-suit-wearing, bar-fighting dyke in the '50s.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 28 April 2006 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

xxpost - No, I think you're the first to mention it. That does look really good, I'll have to get it. Great cover too.

TRG (TRG), Friday, 28 April 2006 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

Sheikh Sayyed Darweesh

The godfather of "modern" Egyptian music.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, thanks, I was not aware of that album. (I'm not sure I will like it much, pre-1940s Egyptian music, I believe.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

This seems pretty informative:

http://www.millenniumstage.blogspot.com/

In addition to his legacy, Sayyed Darweesh's music exerted an unmistakable, and indelible influence on the most important generation of Egyptian composers that followed: Muhammad Abdel-Wahab, Riyad Al-Sunbati, Zakaria Ahmed and Muhammad Al-Qasbgi. All of whom had a major role in defining Arabic music in the 20th century, and on.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

I'm listening now,
this group does him up quite nice,
shiny fresh and new!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 28 April 2006 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

didn't play the lila downs; her past discs were always way prissier than i hoped. is this one any different? on the other hand, the new natacha atlas just sounds better and better.

xhuxk, Friday, 28 April 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

I hear naught prissy
in the Downs record; in fact,
she's just having FUN

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't like the Atlas much. I liked the Sussan Deyhim record more. The Chavela record's pretty great, too, though she doesn't have the range she used to have - there are some distressingly Marianne Faithfull/Tom Waits moments.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 28 April 2006 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

Has anybody heard the Kokanko Sata CD?

TRG (TRG), Friday, 28 April 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

come to think of it, matt, i actually *saw* lila downs once, at the philadelphia folk festival, maybe four summer ago or so. my response was "not bad for somebody at the philadelphia folk festival (though not as good as cordelia's dad). but pretty stodgy and dull for somebody playing mexican music." she took a fun genre, but then she took most of the fun *out* of it.

so far, my favorite cuts on the natacha atlas album are "feen," "bathaddak," and "la lil kwowf," all of which have guests on them. it's actually a really varied album (i even noticed today that there's a bossa nova; it has "bossa nova" in its title, am i slow or what?), and as i said, maybe her most pop album since her debut, which is good thing. though seeing how she has one of the planet's greatest voices, i've never really *not* liked her. phil, what don't you like about it?

xhuxk, Friday, 28 April 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

I think I will like some of this new installment of Masada songbook performances:

http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?z=y&EAN=702397735625&ITM=1

Some of the snippets here sound more middle eastern than what Zorn comes up with himself. (Maybe I only think that because it says the performer is from Israel.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 28 April 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

I've heard Kotanka,
just okay as these things go
(which means that she's great

but not really much
when compared with chiweshe
or afro-techno0

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 28 April 2006 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

and to chuck: okay,
but this seems like Downs Breaks Out,
kinda unhinged stuff!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 28 April 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

I would try to say more about the new Natacha Atlas (not that anyone asked me), but I really don't even want to listen to it.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 28 April 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

The other world music album I've been listening to this week is Dissidenten's *Sahara Elektrik,* from 1988, which I bought a $2 vinyl copy of in Seattle two days before I lost my job. Moroccans and Germans combining Middle Eastern music with teutonic post-industrial post-disco proto-techno in Berlin. First side works better (i.e.: less clinically) than the second side, but I enjoy the whole thing. Highly un-recommended to purism festishists (or to people who don't like the new Natacha Atlas album, who would probably hate this even more.)

But forget all this...Has anybody heard that new all-Spanish Latin-star version of the National Anthem yet? not me, but NPR is reporting than the president already denounced it! (For all I know, he denounced it a couple days ago, but I'm just not learning about it.) Wow. Viva la revolucion, or however you spell it. Most significant record of this year, no contest, right?

xhuxk, Friday, 28 April 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

>phil, what don't you like about it?

I can't really recall - I only listened to it once, and I listened to some other really boring stuff that day (a Laswell Indian-trance-dub disc, for one), so maybe it blurred into the haze of bad, cliched "world music" in my brain/ears.

>that new all-Spanish Latin-star version of the National Anthem...Most significant record of this year, no contest, right?

Yeah, for kinda ridiculous reasons, seeing as how the National Anthem was first translated into Spanish back in 1919. Oh, well.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 28 April 2006 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

just NOW leaning about it (I meant) (I've been a little out of touch with the news for the past week or so).

xhuxk, Friday, 28 April 2006 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

(As far as Atlas goes, I wouldn't want to listen to standard non-"world" pop music that sounds like this (nor would I want to listen to Egyptian pop that sounds like it, which a lot of it kind of does). The stupid chorus I mentioned, for example, doesn't seem fun, it just seems stupid and annoying. I justdon'tlikeit, which I know isn't a very interesting remark.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 28 April 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

*Yungchen Lhamo, Ama (ambient folky and floaty at times, but surprisingly tough worldstuff from "the voice of Tibet." plus, check out this gang-sign cover:)
http://www.sternsmusic.com/cdi/fixedSize350x350/cdrw132.jpg

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 28 April 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

And okay, I also notice nobody here has mentioned the recent reissue of the seminal (for world music as an industry if not necessarily world music as music, though maybe for the latter too in some ways) LP *My Life in the Bush of Ghosts,* by David Byrne and Brian Eno. I'd gotten rid of my vinyl copy, for some reason, a couple decades ago, but I'd played the album a lot when it came out (in 1980, right? or '81? the year *after* *Remain in Light*, right? though as I recall it was sort of *Remain in Light*'s blueprint) So, now, the preacher exorcising that jezebel spirit and the radio commentator or whatever he is telling us that America is waiting for an answer of some sort or other really DO seem like ghosts to me, opening a wormhole back to where I was and what I was doing back when I was 21. Eerie.

xhuck, Friday, 28 April 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

>the second track is pretty annoying so far, with this "it's freaky baby" rap chorus<

>The stupid chorus I mentioned<

..is what's known as a "hook." And it's one of the best hooks on the album. The girl's name is apparently Princess Juliana, and she's on another of my favorite tracks, "Bathaddak," as well. Basically, she sounds like Left Eye from TLC. And she gives these songs some extra sugar and spice. (If she was on the bossa nova cut and the slow closer "Yariet," they'd be better, too.)

xhuxk, Friday, 28 April 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

> The stupid chorus I mentioned,<

..is what's known as a "hook" -- one of the better ones on the album, as far as i can tell. the person reciting it is one "princess juliana," who basically sounds like left eye from TLC, and who also provides sugar and spice to another of my favorite tracks on the album, "batthadak." they should've stuck her onto the bossa nova and the boring closer ballad "yariat," too; she would have improved those. right now, though, i'm leaning toward my #1 fave track being "hayati inta," for it guitar raveups and crazy siren effects and tough male backup vocals; off hand, i'd say that track probably stands up to anything on the eno/byrne CD, with which natacha is now sharing space in my CD changer. (though anyway, in general, i'm not saying this is necessarily natacha's *best* album since *diaspora*; just her most immediately catchy. which counts for something.) (also, i probably don't need to say this, but there's nothing inherently stupid about choruses that tell you it's freaky, baby.)

xhuxk, Friday, 28 April 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

oops, i thought my initial explanation didn't catch! (at first, it didn't seem to) so i rewrote it from memory, adding other thoughts. if any moderators want to delete the original, un-dance-mixed version, they are more than welcome to do so. but no harm either way i guess.

xhuxk, Friday, 28 April 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

x-post (yeah, ILM was giving me error messages there momentarily):

I know what a hook is, thanks, this is just cheerless garbage.

The poppiest recent Arab thing I can think of that I really like is Ali Aldik's album Aloush, which I think you would probably like too.

Boring purists, and maybe some other curious people, may find this exciting (not that this says who's going to be there, but I'm hoping that if they are announcing it already, it will be something big):

Kennedy Center Plans Festival As Olive Branch To Arab Culture
Organizers of 2009 Event See Performing Arts as Means To Foster Understanding

By Jacqueline Trescott
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, April 28, 2006; C01

The Kennedy Center said yesterday that it will stage a festival of Arab culture in 2009 to bring many little-known artists onto an international stage and provide a counterpoint to the reality of war and violence that many Americans associate with the region.

Buoyed by the success of the China Festival, during which hundreds of artists played to sold-out audiences last fall, Michael M. Kaiser, the center's president, said he was looking for the next challenge. He said he was searching for a way to drive home the point that arts are a window onto understanding people:

"We don't know enough about what other people are about. We read about government and politics. That doesn't say anything about what they like, what they find beautiful. Also, the idea starts from my rather naive belief that arts create peace."

Kaiser said such a festival could be a good way to start breaking prevalent stereotypes. The League of Arab States is helping introduce the center to various performing groups, but the center will make the selections and have curatorial control, Kaiser said. "The countries want you to be encyclopedic, but the audience doesn't want that," he added.

Ambassador Hussein Hassouna, the Arab League's representative in Washington, said the festival "is very much needed at this time. In our world of today, and we all agree that it is very sad, all we hear is bad news. In the U.S., they only hear about conflict in the region, about violence, about problems, but they don't hear enough about the bright things that are happening."

The programming will be built around performing arts from the 22 countries that belong to the Arab League, from the founders, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Yemen, to Bahrain, Somalia and Djibouti. The United States has been at war in Iraq since March 2003.

The events will probably take place over three to four weeks, and include film, visual arts and literature. "With this festival, we are going to explore the heritage, also. What the countries did in early centuries -- with maps, science and astronomy," said Alicia Adams, the center's vice president for international programs and dance.

Festivals anywhere in the non-Arab world that focus on Arab culture are very rare, Hassouna said. When Arab groups have performed in Washington, he said, it becomes an occasion for the Arab American and diplomatic communities. Last year, the Syrian band Hewar performed on the center's Millennium Stage. In February, the Chicago Classical Oriental Ensemble -- a group of musicians from the United States, Morocco, Egypt, Syria, Palestine, Israel and France -- performed the work of Egyptian composer Sayyed Daweesh, also on the Millennium Stage.

Last year, for the first time in 39 years, the Smithsonian Institution spotlighted an Arab country, Oman, in the annual Folklife Festival.

"An Arab festival is a huge challenge. Every culture is political, and the representation [raises] issues of politics and religion," said Richard Kennedy, deputy director of the Smithsonian's Center for Folklife and Cultural Heritage.

The plans drew praise from Rochelle Davis, an anthropologist at the Center for Contemporary Arab Studies at Georgetown University. "There's a vibrant production of dance and arts, and culture from high culture to the folkloric song and dance," Davis said. She introduces her students to the music of the Egyptian legend Oum Kalthoum and the Lebanese singer Fayrouz, as well as the contemporary Rai music of Algeria in her classes. "We have so many stereotypes -- seeing people performing dances and songs breaks down our ideas about how they are all evil," she said.

The planning will include a symposium next spring in Cairo to discuss the needs of arts organizations in the Arab world, Kaiser said. "It is very important for the Kennedy Center not to lose touch with the groups that come to the festivals. We are not doing our job if they come here and then go home without an ongoing relationship," he said.

For the China festival, Adams made nine trips in four years and saw performances throughout the country. Her office eventually coordinated the travel of 900 people. Logistics for this event will be more difficult, she predicted, and "war will limit where I travel. But we have not had a festival where we haven't been able to get the artists into the country."

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 28 April 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

Has anyone heard the two newish Nigeria comps on Honest Jon's, Lagos All Routes and Lagos Chop Up?

someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Saturday, 29 April 2006 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, those are both excellent and pretty diverse in terms of styles represented. I've listened to both non-stop since getting them.

TRG (TRG), Saturday, 29 April 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

Are they more recent stuff or is it mostly crate-digging?

someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Saturday, 29 April 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

one last note about the natacha atlas album, after which i'll shut up: lots of afro-caribbean or latin or whatever counter-rhythms on the thing; the percussion in "hayan inta" (the best cut, rocks like rachid taha, cool weird crowd sounds at the start and war whoops) could almost have come off a chico science album. princess juliana's english langauge asides in "battaddak" ("i'm gonna make you mine...it's just a matter of time") sound like late '80s latin freestyle. i also like "haram aleyr," more a chant than a song, but an energetic one, and it starts with mariachi horns. and "bab el janna," which i don't like as much, is another bossa nova or samba or something. good album -- about half of the cuts are really good, and the other half are pleasant or better. plus they saved the dullest slow one 'til the end.

xhuxk, Saturday, 29 April 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

I listened to it again last night after all and made some notes, but I can't get to that right at the moment. I'm guessing the mariachi horns you are hearing are just the horns they typically is in Egyptian shabi (sp? sp? sp?) but I will have to double check. I'm not sure I would say it's terrible, but it's nothing I would want to listen to. Atlas isn't a bad singer, especially compared to the usual pop singer, but I still don't think she's all that good. Listening to her try to tackle this type of singing is like watching someone who can hardly stretch do kung fu, or something like that. Also, as I was listening to some of it I was thinking, I guess xhuxk has a higher tolerance for boredom than I do, after all.

I'll be a little more specific later.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 29 April 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, yes, those horns are actually typical in Egyptian street song type stuff (check out some old hits by Ahamd Adaweia). I don't know with absolute certainty that they didn't come from mariachi, but they've been around for a while.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 29 April 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

>isn't a bad singer, especially compared to the usual pop singer<

or maybe i just don't hate pop music. (bordeom's got nothing at all to do with it.)

and right, i'm not saying the latin parts aren't otherwise common in middle-eastern music. as we've talked about on other threads, latin and middle-eastern have shared sounds back and forth approximately forever, and quite a bit in the past couple decades.

xhuxk, Saturday, 29 April 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

(and i'm also not saying that there might not be scores of, say, egyptian shaabi albums every year that are as good as this; i only hear a couple, if that, so i wouldn't know. what i do know is that natacha has an extremely powerful, emotive voice, for pop or otherwise -- way more powerful and emotive than most voices i've heard, middle eastern or otherwise.) (but i'm not really sure what rockist means by "this kind of singing," though, to be honest.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 29 April 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

Are they more recent stuff or is it mostly crate-digging?

It's all crate digging, both focus on '60s, '70s and '80s.

TRG (TRG), Saturday, 29 April 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

I don't hate pop music per se, although I do hate a lot of it (especially English language stuff from recent decades). But I don't nearly hate all pop music. (And I think if I did, I wouldn't have a problem saying so.)

Boredom: downtempo/trip-hop generally puts me to sleep; blah bossa nova; vocal improv over kanun soloing, but without the tension that normally makes that interesting.

I very much doubt the horn sounds come from Mexico--more likely to have come to Egypt by way of Turkish marching bands. So the Mexican connection thing seems off to me, though I can't prove it (btu I'm also not pulling this completely out of my ass, since I am basing this on partly remembered things I've read in liner notes, etc.). Either way, those horns are a part of the particular Egyptian style she is working with.


x-post:

but i'm not really sure what rockist means by "this kind of singing," though, to be honest

I mean she's clearly referencing certain Arabic vocal techniques, even doing "layali" vocal improvisations in more than one song. Maybe she's just referencing and not trying to really pull them off. But anyway, it's like she's doing these vocal Arabesques but hardly going anywhere really. (I don't think it's necessarily a matter of vocal range--I'm not sure I could tell anyway.) But it is a matter of emotional too. Whatever it is I'm not hearing is also making her vocals less emotionally potent.

(There are plenty of technically impressive Arab musicians who I don't rank so high because they generally don't hit me emotionally: Munir Bachir and Simon Shaheen being a couple examples.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 29 April 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

Now I'm doubting myself because it looks like the shaabi thing didn't really take off until the 60s/early 70s (which makes the possibility of a mariachi influence seem more plausible to me). But then there is that Egyptian wedding trumpet band tradition that I think goes back to the 19th cetury and came via Turkey (or that's what I think I remember from some Mahmoud Fadl liner notes).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 29 April 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

i reelly like *fisherman style* by the congos & friends, which i believe has been discussed on other threads (might even have its OWN thread) i didn't read, but what the heck. i've never listened to culture much (have never even owned *two sevens clash*, though i just finally learned in jeff chang's *can't stop won't stop* that the two sevens mean 1977 and hence apocalypse, duh), but the album apparently takes an old culture rhythm (er, sorry - "riddim", god it's embarrassing to spell it that way) called "fisherman" (riddims have NAMES, you know) and lets all sorts of reggae people toast and/or sing sweetly over it, often about catching fish, though sometimes about less universal themes like peace and poverty, though then again sometimes fish are caught to feed the masses, right? (hey, they should've got august darnell to do a new version of "no fish today"!) first disc, which seems a lot better (especially old reliables Big Youth, U Roy, and Dillinger), seems to be for superstars; second disc is mostly people I've never heard of, though Gregory Isaacs is on there, and Country Culture's help-the-poor song is really nice, and I like how the album ends on a dub version by Upsetters. Album's still too much like one really really long song to play all the way through, though maybe that'd work if you were entering a dream state.

Tried listening to Gigi's *Gold Wax* today -- interesting (or at least "interesting") Bill Laswell worldbeat grooves around a dull voice I can't connect with. Can somebody explain her? I'm pretty sure she's considered great in some circles, but I really have no idea why.

Way more fun - Gruppo Sportivo, *Design Moderne*, Dutch new-wave-gaining-chops-and turning-world-prog goofball rock from 1982. I've loved their debut *Mistakes* album for half a century, and bought this for 50 cents at Mondo Kim's a year ago, but never had time to get around to listening til now. I like it! Cool wacky appropriatiions of African, Mexican, and Middle-Eastern music worked in. Plus my new theme song: "Happily Unemployed."

xhuxk, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

ha ha, "reelly" (i'm going to pretend i did that on purpose, for the fish.)

oh yeah, also having trouble getting into *sanam*, latest world-jazz effort by charles lloyd (who i've liked before),though some of its less worldly/more jazzy selections (e.g. "tender warriors") float my boat okay. not nearly as good as the new dave douglas CD *meaning and mystery*, which i like a lot and have nothing to say about, except that i always seem to like everything he puts out, but it's okay my tounge's tied since this isn't a jazz thread.

(and just noticed that above phil dismisses the gigi disc as trip=hop, which makes me feel better. though he apparently likes her voice more than i do.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

And I've only loved Grupo Sportivo's *Mistakes* for a QUARTER century, not a half! (I'm not THAT old, no matter what certain captains of industry might think. And neither is new wave.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

I like the Lloyd disc
mostly for Zakir Hussain,
world's best tabla stud

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

*Balún, Something Comes Our Way (Puerto-Rican twee synth-pop, nothing much PR about it on first listen, other vaguely folky stuff jumps out later but they're no Superaquello or anything)

nothing yet this year
touches my three favorite
Brazilian albums*

*check the Linha Rolando thread for Cibelle, Itibirê, Apollo 9

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

xhuxk, It's a Congos rhythm, not Culture

TRG (TRG), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

My review of that Lloyd disc generated an angry phone call from ECM's publicist, because I said it was really good especially in comparison to the rest of Lloyd's ultra-naptimey discs.

Stuff I'm writing about for the August issue of Global Rhythm: The Bug, Rob Mazurek's new project Sao Paulo Underground, Cheikh Lo's new album, Arielle Dombasle's cheesy retro standards disc (it sounds like a Jayne Mansfield album, or something from the pre-rock 50s)...

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

How is the Cheikh Lo disc?

TRG (TRG), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

oh yeah, Congos-- yikes, good point, TRG! (I've never heard *Heart of the Congos* either. Though apparently I've been confusing my not hearing much Culture with my not hearing much Congos for several decades. Not having heard them, they sounded the same in my head. Though I remember Adrian Sherwood fans liking Congos more, come to think of it.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

I actually used to confuse them as well since my bro is a huge fan of both and I was unfamiliar with them. Gotta say tho, I'm surprised you haven't heard Heart of the Congos. It's a close one for me, but I'd take Culture by a hair.

TRG (TRG), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

The Cheikh Lo disc is really good, some interesting Brazilian and New Orleans rhythms on it. It's the first thing I've ever heard by him, so maybe I should look in the mag's CD library to see if there's something else to compare it to.

I have Heart Of The Congos on my iPod, or at least I did at one point, but I can't remember ever listening to it all the way through or caring much about the parts I heard. This fisherman album seems like too much of one thing for me.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

Too much of one thing was exactly my first reaction to the Fisherman CD. But the more I hear about it the more I'm beginning to think I'd like it (and probably love disc 1).

TRG (TRG), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

the charles lloyd album i liked (the one that's still on my shelf, that is, though it came out last year) was *jumping the creek.* (not gonna venture what i liked about it now, though.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

x-posts, Cheikh Lo makes a nice contribution to Red Hot + Riot (which maybe you've heard, and is worth checking out if not).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

cheikh lo's first album
was quite good so I will try
to seek out lamp fall

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

I found his first two discs on the wall, so will check 'em out later on, after I listen to David Bowie's Stage, which I just got for $15.99 at Best Buy.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

It's not so much that rhythms get names in Jamaica, but the original track was called 'Fisherman', so when you are referring to the music therefrom, how else would you label it?

I think Heart Of The Congos is about as great an album as 2 7s Clash, but I'd put the rest of Culture's output a long way ahead of what else I've heard by the Congos. Culture are one of my favourite 'bands' (in that it's Joseph Hill and whoever - he often works with a local pick-up band outside Jamaica) ever.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

well, rhythms DO get names in Jamaica now, don't they?

For whatever it's worth, anybody who already owns *My Life in the Bush of Ghosts* should think thrice before buying the new reissue for its bonus tracks, which are not unpleasant but add absolutely nothing. (On the other hand, fans of the Butthole Surfers' *Pyschic Powerless Another's Man Sac* owe it to their selves to hear "Help Me Somebody" once.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

A couple stand out tracks that I think some of you would like from the new Victor Manuelle album:

"Vamos de Nuevo" (with the Secta All Stars--a reggaeton outfit) starts off with a sub-par Santana imitation (and does kind of remind one of "Smooth" but not as good), but the various rapping reggaetoneros rescue it (and the horn parts are nicely done, as they are on just about every track).

"Nunca Había Llorado Así" begins in unfortunately sappy salsa romantica territory, but Don Omar brings it alive, and the coro picks up toward the middle. (Omar sings a little, even sounding a little like Tito Nieves at one point.) It's pretty melodramatic and very stop-and-start (which can be annoying for dance purposes), like typical VM, but I like it.

I think "Nuestro Amor Se Ha Vuelto Ayer" may have been out as a single a while before the album was released. Don't like it until close to the end of the song. "El Perdedor" also takes a while to get going, but is more satisfying. Both of them are pretty typical VM songs, though, so there's no special reason to be interested.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 12 May 2006 11:27 (nineteen years ago)

Anybody else listen to this Trafico album *Think of One,* on Crammed Discs? Belgians who record "with Moroccan, Inuit, Congolese or Brazilian musicians," apparently. I like the Brazilian-sounding stuff (tracks 10 and 12 at least) and #5 "Tahina," which is speedy like punk rock, best so far. But pretty much eveything on it is sounding pretty good to me.

Also really wound up liking *Raivolution* by MC Rai, a Tunisian dude recording in California, mixing rock guitar, dancehall raps, reggae basslines, undie rapping, Martin Denny-type exotica, and jig parts into rai (an apparently into Tunisia's rai equivalent, whatever it's called). "Hen Alina," fast with wild backup, is my favorite track.


xhuxk, Friday, 12 May 2006 11:48 (nineteen years ago)

Uh, by "Brazilian-sounding stuff" in re Trafico, I mean "stuff with ferociously percussive rain forest drums like on some '70s Jorge Ben albums", not "samba stuff" (though their samba stuf, e.g., "Flor B'Agua," is okay, as is their reggae stuff, e.g. "Trafico.") The two Brazilian sounding tracks I like most are called something like "Ao Mara (Atu Misterioso)" and "Trar Onda (Shorinho)", but I can't say for sure since my notes scrawled on the CD cover make them illegible.

xhuxk, Friday, 12 May 2006 12:01 (nineteen years ago)

I'm looking at that Think Of One album (I'm pretty sure Trafico is the name of the disc) and might check it out. The thing I've been loving most recently is a compilation by the Hallelujah Chicken Run Band, on Buda Musique.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 12 May 2006 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

OH yeah! The Hallelujah Chicken Run Band is excellent, I love that.

TRG (TRG), Friday, 12 May 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

Currently enjoying the new Rodrigo Y Gabriela album a great deal (I believe they're big in Ireland), and can't wait to see them live.

The Kekele album which came out earlier in the year on Sterns is great - it makes explicit the links between Congolese and Cuban music.

Introducing Daby Balde is a pleasant listen, which I keep coming back to.

Also been listening to one of the Masters Of Persian Music CDs (details not to hand), about which I can offer nothing in the way of intelligent comment, except to say that I find it alternately grating or delightful depending on context. It works best for me at daybreak, or in hot sunny weather. So there you go.

The new Ojos De Brujo sounds like more of the same, and I wasn't completely won over by Bari - probably an act you need to see live first, in order to fully get the point.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Friday, 12 May 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

I second the Kekele, I've really been enjoying that too.

TRG (TRG), Friday, 12 May 2006 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

I just got an interesting disc called Lee Perry Presents African Roots - two soukous vocalists popped in at Black Ark Studios one day in 1976 or 1977, so he made an album with them, which was bootlegged a little in Europe in the late 70s but hasn't appeared on CD until Trojan/Sanctuary released it, last week or so. It's typical late-70s Perry weirdness, but these two guys' vocal harmonies (and the fact that their not singing in English) puts it over the top.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 12 May 2006 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

I'm piping up late in regard to the Natacha Atlas because I haven't made up my mind yet. I have trouble with her when she's too heavy and even more when she tries to be light and playful. I think I need her as Momma Bear rather than Papa Bear or Baby Bear.* Gedida is the only one where I thought she consistently got it right. Mish Maoul though actually has her sounding good on the couple of tracks where she collaborates on r&b, and she's good on some of the more Arabic and not good on the others, and I feel I never know what's going to be what, whether she's going to be a warm river of emotion or be a warehouse full of soggy towels.

Kind of the same as my Marion Raven problem, except I like almost all of Marion's songs, I just feel water-logged after I've heard four or five of them in a row, no matter how good they are; and I think they'd all be better if she'd turn down the faucet some.

*Speaking of Baby Bear, this is entirely off-topic, but if your last name is Bare, how can you think of naming your son Bobby? And then, if this has been done to you, naming your own son Bobby Jr.? Or not calling yourself Robert or Rob?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 12 May 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

By the way, do any of you pay much attention to what's happening in Japan and Asia's Pacific Rim in general (Korea, Taiwan, the Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia)? I myself have almost no idea of what's going in the pop music there except when I go to an Asian restaurant or when I hunt down Europop cassettes in Asian neighborhood markets or watch Marion Raven live clips on MTV Asia. The pop music there is not what's generally referred to as "World Music" and includes stuff that would basically be classed as Europop and other stuff that'd be classed as metal etc. etc. etc. but I think most of the Asian rim pop stuff mixes these styles with whatever was there before those countries got really cosmopolitan. So they are hybrids that are very Westernized in rhythm and tuning but still Asian in language and hybridized in melody. And then of course (of course?) the Asian rim is a huge fanbase for a lot of actual Europop and Euro or American teenpop, with some acts bigger there than in Europe or North America. For instance, Marion Raven (b. Norway, lives in lower Manhattan) is a headliner in Japan, but she still hasn't gotten a U.S. or British release and she seems to have worked it out so she's going to come out on an indie here rather than Atlantic.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 12 May 2006 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

I know I don't. I have two compilations by Maaya Sakamoto, but I bought those because all the music was done by Yoko Kanno.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 12 May 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

(Ironically, my least favorite track from the new VM album, the balad version of "Nuestro Amor Se Ha Vuelto Ayer" with the new Mexican pop star Yuridia, seems to be the only song from this album that has charted in radio play so far. That will definitely change: I hear at least six other potential singles on this album, besides the two versions of "Nuestro Amor.")

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 12 May 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

Some time Latin freestyle singer George Lamond appears on very odd new salsa compilation (years after I've noticed him do anything connected to salsa), covering one of Hector Lavoe's lighter songs ("Ah-Ah O-No"):

http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=7042265&style=music&cart=339969570&BAB=M

(More detailed credits:

http://www.descarga.com/cgi-bin/db/21772.10?vfjzVYYw;;565)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 12 May 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/14/arts/music/14kun.html?_r=1&th=&emc=th&pagewanted=print

The Twiins, Mexican Music made in America
by JOSH KUN
Adolfo and Omar Valenzuela have created an industry home-base for Mexican regional music. Their next project: a pro-immigrant protest song featuring the biggest names in the genre.

"For more than a decade, the pair have lent their market-driven touch to dozens of albums. Now they are focused on something they regard as a bigger project: a pro-immigrant protest song featuring the biggest names in the genre. Though still in the planning stages, the song (which follows the recent release of "Nuestro Himno," a Spanish version of "The Star-Spangled Banner") is set to include artists like El Chapo, Graciela Beltran, Lupillo Rivera and Conjunto Primavera, and will be written by Pepe Garza, the programming director for the city's Mexican regional radio powerhouse, QueBuena FM.

"This will be 'We Are The World' for Latinos," said Adolfo. "We decided we needed to get together to a make a musical statement about what's been happening in this country. As immigrants ourselves, we believe in freedom of expression, and we believe we all have the right to follow our dreams."

Los Cuates Valenzuela, or the Twiins, as Adolfo and Omar are more commonly known, arrived in the United States when they were 14. Now 30, they are on their way to doing for Mexican regional what Timbaland and Jermaine Dupri have done for rap music: setting a new standard for production while mastering the commercial formulas behind radio and the singles charts. The brothers have been ahead of the curve (convincing huge pop stars like Thalia and Paulina Rubio to record banda songs) and behind it, ready to cash in on dance crazes."


curmudgeon, Sunday, 14 May 2006 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

Interesting article I thought. These guys became salsa and more session musicians out of college, but then decided that they could make more money producing.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Monday, 15 May 2006 04:06 (nineteen years ago)

Michael Stuart: "Mayor Que Yo." Check it out.

(Sorry, that's not a response.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 15 May 2006 10:10 (nineteen years ago)

I thought that Josh Kun *Times* article was really interesting, actually.

xhuxk, Monday, 15 May 2006 11:34 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmKOOTOWZ04&search=michael%20stuart

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

Does anybody know about the Sunny Jain Collective? I think I like this:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/sunnyjaincollective

The vocals help pull me in (I mean, just because I tend to like vocals--although I also do like this singing, specifically). Seems like a much happier (= more successful) fusion of jazz and Indian music than I've generally heard (but that might just be another way of saying I like it).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 01:18 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, I do love making half-baked comments based on brief audio clips. (Actually, these are fairly generous audio clips.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 01:22 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not big on gypsy music, but I'm interested in this Romica Puceanu CD (which was reviewed favorably by Christgau, among others). The second track here sounds great:

http://www.rockpaperscissors.biz/index.cfm/fuseaction/current.press_release/project_id/265.cfm

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 5 June 2006 00:31 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, I think this sounds amazing, at least the first file (haven't gotten past it). It pulls together a bunch of different things I like with some things I don't usually like, and it feels immediately very very comfortable:

Esma Redzepova

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 5 June 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

(Is this Greek or Indian or what?! I will never again say I don't like gypsy music. I will never again say I don't like [genre x]. I will never again say anything.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 5 June 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)


what are the opinions on the recent tony allen record 'lagos no shaking'?

Ben H (Ben H), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
Have not heard that recent Tony Allen cd but I think I read nice takes on it in a couple of places. I enjoyed him live many years back.

I like the latest Salif Keita cd, that only recently came out in the US. The live show in DC was good the other night. Any of you New Yorkers going to see him at the Apollo Saturday night? I heard a public radio feature about that upcoming gig. Keita said he loved the James Brown live at the Apollo album, and is psyched that he is gonna be able to perform there.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Friday, 30 June 2006 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

Sara Tavares sings nice soft Brazilian stuff. Nothin new, but not bad.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Saturday, 1 July 2006 04:17 (eighteen years ago)

HAPY CANADA DAY

A Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Saturday, 1 July 2006 04:30 (eighteen years ago)

"Oh Canada, Glorious and Free...."

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Saturday, 1 July 2006 13:49 (eighteen years ago)

Bought best-ofs by Los Fabulosos Cadillacs and Maldita Vecindad yesterday. I'm gonna see Maldita at Central Park Summerstage on 7/23, and am pretty damn excited about it.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 1 July 2006 17:38 (eighteen years ago)

I think Haikunym likes them alot too. I'm going to see funky rocking Haitian roots band Boukman Eksperyans tonight.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Sunday, 2 July 2006 15:43 (eighteen years ago)

As mentioned elsewhere:

The Sunny Jain Collective's Avaaz is quite good. About half of it is Indo-jazz fusion, a track with a bhangra rhythm running through part of it, a bollywood cover, etc. I think those tracks all have very pretty vocals which appear to me to successfully straddle the line between Indian vocal technique and a jazz sensibility. The other tracks are more straight ahead or fusion (in the rock-jazz sense) oriented, with hints of free jazz. Even when the music isn't doing ethnically unusual because of culture-mixing, it sometimes has interesting touches: nice use of bowed bass, for instance. Something about much of this album reminds me of early 80s solo projects by Prime Time members. There are some occasional subtle electronic touches. (Maybe there are even more than what I heard and they were simply too subtle for me to catch.)

cdbaby has generous sound bites:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/sunnyjaincollective

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 2 July 2006 15:53 (eighteen years ago)

Los Fabulosos Cadillacs and Maldita Vecindad are both great (and both great live), but I still get the idea they peaked forever ago (Maldita with their second album in 1992, Cadillacs with "El Matador" in, what, '93 or '94 maybe, with their definitive best-of CD *Vasos Vacios* now a dozen years old itself) and have been treading water for years. Though then again, it's actually been a few years now since I got tired enough that I stopped making a point to pay attention, so possibly they've regained steam since then...

Speaking of Latin rock shows in New York, Phil, have you seen the signs for the mostly Mexican (with one Italian band I think) death metal or whatever show in Queens next week? Well, maybe you haven't seen the signs if you're not out here in the world's biggest melting pot, but I have. My better half, who's about a million times more fluent than me, says there's info if you click on "Eventos" on the link below - -but not *much* info, apparently, and right now on my computer clicking is getting me nowhere. Anyway, the show is next Sunday night; I may or may not be going, I'm still not sure yet:

http://pueblaproductions.com/

Spent $50 at Greenpoint thrift store The Thing yesterday; brought home a huge stack of records, some of them apparently hugely collectible, for that amount (the list is on the "recent purchases" thread); didn't get any "world music" per se I don't think (unless Eurodisco counts), but bigger fans of the genres than me should know that there's TONS of '80s and early '90s reggae, calypso (I guess that's what Lord Creator and Lord Nelson are, right?), and Latin stuff of many persuasions there, very cheap, $2 an album -- more records for that price in those dusty catacombs than I've ever seen anywhere, in my life, I think. Anyway, I almost bought this reggae toasting (I guess) thing called *Government Boops* I think it's called by this guy Lovindeer that I owned once before, but didn't buy it because, uh, I sold it the first time. Still LOOKS promising, though. Lovindeer looks real goofy, in a Navy outfit or something, and every single song has the word "Boops" in the title, so I'm guessing they're some kinda novelty, like Roxanne Roxannes or Big Bertha Butts or whatever. Does anybody have any idea who the guy is?

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 2 July 2006 16:54 (eighteen years ago)

I have vague memories of hearing reggae singer Lovindeer but can't offer you any specifics.

Boukman Eksperyans were great live last night in a 2 hour set before a small crowd. For some reason, while they played SOBs in NY and the show was plugged to Haitians, the DC show, in a Virginia folk-rock club, was not so advertised. I once saw them with about 350 people, mostly Haitian, but there were only about 75 there last night.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Monday, 3 July 2006 11:41 (eighteen years ago)

why was boukman esperyans' live album at red rocks so dreary:?

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 3 July 2006 14:00 (eighteen years ago)

way back in april chuck mentioned "my life in bush of ghosts" reissue. it sure sounds fuller, but i still have problems with the whole thing--kind of clunky. but i found myself getting into the repetitions, and it sure does sound better.

i saw julieta venegas on spanish-language tv the other day. there was this very great-looking, very *vivid* woman singing and playing accordion, and everyone in the room was saying, "she's really fantastic!" and she was, and no one could figure out who it was. i'd never seen any pictures of her, and had only heard one or two songs, including the amazingly beautiful "me van a matar" from '00. i saw a review of her new one in the times recently--and she's been around for a while, she's 35 or so, and from southern california/tijuana, apparently. anyone have any opinions about her?

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 3 July 2006 17:24 (eighteen years ago)

why was boukman esperyans' live album at red rocks so dreary:?
-- Haikunym (zinogu...), July 3rd, 2006.

I think they had just gone through membership changes. I saw them before then, in front of a largely Haitian crowd at a local community center and the percussion wowed me. This time around the percussion was still impressive, but I was most impressed by the lead female vocalist. While her hubby wants to be Bob Marley (but doesn't do it very well), she's got a unique talented set of pipes.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Monday, 3 July 2006 20:57 (eighteen years ago)

Some Julieta Venegas songs I like alot, but when listening to others I think--she's just another singer/songwriter who if she wasn't singing in Spanish would be ignored by many (including me). I have not heard her latest.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 02:16 (eighteen years ago)

This site has full streamable audio files of a large number of relatively esoteric CDs, mostly Latin music:

http://www.vinilemania.net/CDs.htm

The "Nica's Dream" here is rescued from just being average thanks to the way the percussion becomes brilliant about halfway through (although the whole thing is danceable Latin jazz, so maybe that's not the only thing that saves it):

http://www.vinilemania.net/vSONORAPONCENA.htm

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 15:01 (eighteen years ago)

The wonderful vocalist from that Sunny Jain CD, Samita Sinha, has her on CD out now:

http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=22485

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 17 July 2006 12:09 (eighteen years ago)

I couldn't find this when I searched cdbaby's site directly, but google brought it up:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/kaash

(cdbaby.com needs to start sending us money for all the publicity we give it on the rolling threads.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 17 July 2006 12:21 (eighteen years ago)

I really like Julieta Venegas' Bueninvento, didn't pick up because I heard it was sappy but then the single knocked me out (esp the video with four of her hanging on hooks), so now I'm waiting on Amazon to deliver me Limón y Sal. Stevemudgeon I dont' know why you're worrying about who sings a song, if you like it you like it and if you don't you don't and that's all the philosophy you'll get from me today.

R_S I will listen to this when i get home, your tireless help is always appreciated.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 17 July 2006 12:41 (eighteen years ago)

I am at work and haven't listened to the samples (from the Sinha CD) yet myself, but I know I like her voice and singing on that Sunny Jain CD.

"tireless help" haha, well that's a generous way of putting it.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 17 July 2006 12:48 (eighteen years ago)

Anyone interested in the ongoing cross-pollination between Hispanic and Arabic music should check out the latest Horoscopos de Durango title track, "Antes Muerta Que Sencilla," which has lots of ululating and flat-2-flat-6 (I think) scales that sound Middle Eastern. Not that I know anything about Middle Eastern music. I'm also interested in the ongoing cross-pollination between Arabic music and chunk rock like the second Alanis album and the new Lacuna Coil. Maybe its just the use of different modes, but the Lacuna Coil sort of reminds me of Rachid Taha. I imagine if you've got a voice like Alanis or Cristina, that stuff's fun to sing. Plus it sounds ethereal.

The rest of the Horoscopos is marginally better than last year's. A little more rhythmic variety and a rap that breaks into the end of one of the genteel polkas from out of nowhere. That first song, though, is really good. I don't have it with me, so I regrettably can't tell you more right now.

dr. phil (josh langhoff), Monday, 17 July 2006 13:01 (eighteen years ago)

me gusta mucho los horoscopos de durango

mi cancion favorita del momento es "arriba arriba," el antem de la copa mundial al mexico: pablo montero, anais, mariana, y ana barbara, todos on el mismo cancion!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 17 July 2006 14:17 (eighteen years ago)

Just got a CD today by Kultur Shock, who have been described to me as a slightly punkier and more aggressive Gogol Bordello - the cover art has the singer squatting down to plunge a toilet, and the album's called We Came To Take Your Jobs Away. So I'm on their side before I even press "Play."

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 17 July 2006 17:19 (eighteen years ago)

yay

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 17 July 2006 17:59 (eighteen years ago)

Pretty sure I approve of this: Ghada Shbeir: Al Muwashahat. Sometimes she sounds like maybe she's imitating Fairouz here, but maybe that's just how a classically trained female singer from Lebanon sounds.

I did buy that Sayed Darwish collection from the Chicago-based orchestra, but I can't say I love it. I think I prefer this older repertoire to early-20th century Arabic music (though not necessarily to mid-20th century Arabic music).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 17 July 2006 21:49 (eighteen years ago)

The reissues of the first five Pogues albums came in yesterday's mail. I've never heard Peace & Love or Hell's Ditch, so I guess now I will. The Poguetry In Motion and Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah EPs are bonus tracks scattered here and there.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 12:46 (eighteen years ago)

this new Julieta Venegas album is some great pop music, she's taken all her old hooks and boiled them down to their essence like a reduction sauce and/or roux

new Gustavo Cerati is kinda rockish, haven't had the chance to fully absorb it all yet

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 13:21 (eighteen years ago)

I didn't love the Cerati, and I felt like Si was such a huge pop move after Bueninvento that the pure pop-ness of the new Venegas is really disorienting me; a lot of it sounds like a pop-country album to me, just in Spanish. I'm gonna keep listening to it to see if it'll grow on me, but I have this amazing 3CD box by Vicente Fernandez that's really holding my attention lately, too.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 13:36 (eighteen years ago)

Vicente is grebt, for sure; yeah two of the first three songs on Limon y Sal are hella countryish but none of the other stuff really is; I have mad love for Cerati for being a cautious experimentalist and because I stupidly sold my Soda Stereo best-of two-CD set.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 13:40 (eighteen years ago)

I'm gonna ask my wife what she thinks of the Cerati disc - she's an SS fan from way back.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 13:56 (eighteen years ago)

I'm also loving Topia's Deluge by Teshome Mitiku, a dude from Ethiopia (led Ekos Soul Band in the 1970s I think) who lives in the US now. It's basic and has cheesy synths sometimes but his voice is very strong still and I dig that sound muchly.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 14:13 (eighteen years ago)

While I was out tonight, I heard Monchy & Alexandra's "No Es Una Novela" for the first time (at least I think) and I really like it. I didn't even know it was them at first, since some of the guitar stood out as kind of psychedelic sounding.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 24 July 2006 03:56 (eighteen years ago)

Wikipedia has not confirmed their Music Notability! They practially single-handedly (well with the help of the producers who brought them together to begin with) broke bachata into the tropical mainstream. They've been sitting near the top of Billboard's tropical (I think) album chart like a 500 year old 100 lb. turtle that refuses to move.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 24 July 2006 04:40 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.monchyyalexandra.com/inicio.php

("No Es Una Novela" streams when you load the site, or it did for me.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 24 July 2006 05:45 (eighteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
They used to perform in the DC area quite a bit it seemed. Plus I'd alway see their cds showcased on the endcaps in Hispanic stores. I know a salsa fanatic who used to snear that bachata was a dumbed down, overly simplistic gnere (the way some refer to reggaeton now).

Changing gears, I've been listening to Paris-based Congolese band Kekele's Kinavana. It's their ode to Cuban rumba and rural Cuban sounds with guest NY Latino musicians. Kinda easy-listening, and as the pr hype goes, it's got that Buena Vista feel (3 of 'em were in Soukous Stars, they're now in their 50s). When I saw 'em live though, without all the guest musicians, they just did 2 songs from that latest cd, and came across nicely as a Congolese rumba band. More energy than the latest cd, though still leisurely compared to when I saw some 'em in Soukous Stars.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Saturday, 12 August 2006 04:45 (eighteen years ago)

This (new to me) singer Ahlam sounds pretty good to me. Not sure there is anything inspired about the music, but I like khaleeji rhythms and she can definitely sing. (Especially interested in the first one here, from this year.):

http://www.maqam.com/cgi-bin/cdtest.cgi?category1=Ahlam

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 13 August 2006 15:32 (eighteen years ago)

So much to learn...I didn't know the term "khaleeji rhythms" before.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 13:27 (eighteen years ago)

Favorites of the year so far are still Toumani Diabate's Symmetric Orchestra and the Cheikh Lo album. Just great great playing on both. Nice job Nonesuch/World Circuit.

Patrick South (Patrick South), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 15:46 (eighteen years ago)

I've gotta check those out. X-gau likes the Diabete I see.

Got a promo of Marcos Valle -Jet Samba. Eh. Sleep-inducing Brazilian lounge music. I'm not wowed by Azim Ali's Eylsium for the Brave on first listen. It's gothic middle eastern. Will give it another shot though.

Some interesting postings about carioca favela funk at the beat diaspora blog.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Saturday, 26 August 2006 18:46 (eighteen years ago)

http://beatdiaspora.blogspot.com/

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Saturday, 26 August 2006 18:51 (eighteen years ago)

Some of that Azam Ali disc sounds like music for a particularly pretentious late-night cable "erotic thriller."

pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 26 August 2006 19:02 (eighteen years ago)

No love for Andy Montanez's "Se Le Ve," at least for the amazing Daddy Yankee part in the middle? I really think this might be one of the better things DY has done.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 26 August 2006 21:25 (eighteen years ago)

Favorites of the year so far are still Toumani Diabate's Symmetric Orchestra and the Cheikh Lo album. Just great great playing on both. Nice job Nonesuch/World Circuit.
-- Patrick South (psout...), August 16th, 2006.

Just picked up the Diabete the other day. I haven't picked up Lo yet. The Diabete, like Salif Keita's latest, is just good solid Malian grooves with gorgeous vocals using trad stringed instruments like kora and ngoni, trad percussion, and slightly more modern electric guitar, bass and trap drums.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Sunday, 3 September 2006 16:47 (eighteen years ago)

I wasn't wowed by any of the Ethiopian videos they were showing in Ethiopian restaurant Etete in DC yesterday. Not that I was paying close attention, but the cheesy sounding synths didn't do much for me. There are several Ethiopian restaurants in the DC that have live Ethiopian music late at night, but I haven't checked 'em out in years.

I saw Oliver Mtukudzi from Zimbabwe later at the 'Planet Arlington' Festival outside DC( I skipped the earlier acts) . I like Thomas Mapfumo more, but Tuku and his band were pretty good (although a tad too mellow for me). When they got upbeat and the guitars sounded more West African while the female harmonies resembles South African sounds I was most enthused.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Sunday, 3 September 2006 16:56 (eighteen years ago)

This African music blog, by a Canadian guy who was in Africa but is now based in Paris, continues to nicely spotlight a range of styles from African rap to old-school Kenyan

http://bennloxo.com/

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Monday, 4 September 2006 04:39 (eighteen years ago)

As pointed out by someone else on another thread, this is a really good mp3 blog for Latin music:

http://laondatropical.blogspot.com/

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

The Diabate is also a fav of mine. Same with the new Toure.

TRG (TRG), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 18:21 (eighteen years ago)

That new cd from Mexico's Mana is being pushed heavily in my local Best Buy and Circuit City. I've never liked their power ballad style in the past though.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 03:09 (eighteen years ago)

Have you heard "El Tiburon," the cha cha cha on that album? I like that. Otherwise, I don't think they are anything I'd especially like.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 12:38 (eighteen years ago)

Lashing out at no one in particular, Re: pure pop vs. more traditional forms. I am sitting here sifting through some current Latin mp3s and the ones marked "pop" all sound really lame. I know what my ears tell me, for fuck's sake.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:45 (eighteen years ago)

Mana are the Spanish-language Nickelback. I can't stand them.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:00 (eighteen years ago)

Just got a CD today by Kultur Shock, who have been described to me as a slightly punkier and more aggressive Gogol Bordello - the cover art has the singer squatting down to plunge a toilet, and the album's called We Came To Take Your Jobs Away. So I'm on their side before I even press "Play."
-- pdf (newyorkisno...), July 17th, 2006.

I'm eagerly awaiting this...their last two albums were absolutely amazing from start to finish, and I can't wait to hear this one. they're a pretty interesting band too - the singer, gino, was a major pop star in bosnia before the war, akin to bobert wiliiams, and escaped to the US. his horrific war experiences convinced him to devote his life to his artistic vision rather than a pop career. they have a fantastic DVD available called 'dialogs' which features some great footage and lots of insightful interviews with the remarkably intense gino.

here endeth the spiel.

guanoman (mister the guanoman), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:05 (eighteen years ago)

Jody Rosen at Slate on Gypsy music and gypsy-influenced music

http://www.slate.com/id/2148561

I was sent the Taraf de Haidouks(Crammed Discs/Ryko) but haven't listened to it yet. That Beirut thing, that he also reviews in the piece, is getting lots of attention.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:56 (eighteen years ago)

Romica Puceanu & the Gore Brothers: Sounds From a Bygone Age—Volume 2

This is really good. I'm not used to the distinctive busyness of a lot of gypsy, but I do like this, and particularly Romica Puceanu's singing.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

Ahlam: Al Thokol San'a. Excellent singer. In addition to khaleeji rhythms, there are some songs emulating contemporary Egyptian pop, and some others with R&B/hip-hop derived beats. I don't remotely love everything about the production, the bombastic drum-machines, and slathered on strings (real or synthetic), but the variety on the album compensates somewhat. Some tracks have what I think is a duduk (not an obvious choice of instrument for music from the Gulf). There are also splashes (though not enough) of those thick electric keyboard/synth sounds that I like at least as much as I dislike a lot of the programmed beats and violins.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 11:10 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.oghnia.com/CoverAlbum/A3-ROT1123.jpg

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 11:26 (eighteen years ago)

Still, I mostly really hate the production in current Arabic pop music. Great voices are being wasted thanks to the horrible sounds around them. I get the impression that Ahlam and Fella are about as good as the current stuff gets, so I see myself beating a retreat back to older sounds.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 13:23 (eighteen years ago)

Which is not exactly to say I regret buying these CDs, since they are still sort of pleasant as a change, and I do like some individual songs. (Haven't gotten to Fella's covers of classics yet, either.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 13:24 (eighteen years ago)

Is your dislike of modern Egyptian production rockist?!!! I dislike the modern synth sounds in Haitian pop for similar reasons (yet I love American r'n'b and rap production).

On to something else--I wanna see the Brazilian music dvd Moro No Brasil, that Pete Margasak has written about-

http://blogs.chicagoreader.com/post-no-bills/2006/09/18/brazilian-invasion/

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Thursday, 21 September 2006 04:13 (eighteen years ago)

Actually Pete wrote about that dvd in an earlier Sept. 13th posting, but the Brazilian stuff he wrote about on the 18th sounds pretty intriguing. Actually I have the Cibelle cd and need to listen to it some more.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Thursday, 21 September 2006 04:18 (eighteen years ago)

I'm pretty sure that that Cibelle album is my favorite disc of the year but it is now facing competition from the OOIOO album and the good old Itibirê Familia Orquestra jam. (Also some other stuff too maybe.)

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 21 September 2006 04:32 (eighteen years ago)

(yeah I just put the same boring comment on the Tzadik thread.)

I am so happy this is being reissued. I think it's a good moment for it too. (On the other hand, I barely remember what it sounds like. Maybe I will be disappointed.) I enjoyed the live performance by this group that I saw in 1987.

Henry Kaiser / Charles K. Noyes / Sang Won Park: Invite the Spirit 2006 [#7617]

One of the most evocative and successful meetings of East and West reunites to weave their magic spell via kayagum, electric guitar and percussion. Invite the Spirit was a sensation when it was first released in 1983 and now over twenty years later they are sounding better than ever. Joined by two scintillating Korean P’ansori vocalists on several tracks this is a whole new take on the Korean shamanistic tradition. Over seventy minutes of timeless, ecstatic, magical music unlike anything you’ve ever heard.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

The Cibelle album is fantastic. I'm sort of surprised at the low profile it's gotten on ilm.

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 21 September 2006 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

Carmen Consoli, who is touring the US now, is kinda the Italian Julieta Venegas on her cd that I recently received. Venegas at her most folky that is, although like Venegas, I think Consoli sounds best when she's more poppy.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 02:29 (eighteen years ago)

The Cibelle album is fantastic. I'm sort of surprised at the low profile it's gotten on ilm.

I been tryin, man, I been tryin my ass off.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 03:00 (eighteen years ago)

I think I heard a song by her on pandora.com that I liked, but I've been keeping mum.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 11:31 (eighteen years ago)

Consoli is really good (one of our writers is interviewing her today, in fact), as is Cibelle. I was less impressed by céu, another Brazilian chick with an album out right now.

Today, though, I'm all about Los Tigres Del Norte. I just got the reissued soundtrack to La Banda Del Carro Rojo, entirely by Los Tigres and paired with a DVD of the movie. Sweet.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 14:29 (eighteen years ago)

Have you never heard LTDN before, Phil? Their album Historias de Cantar is probably in my top five for this year, really great stuff. If you like them, you'd also like Grupo Exterminador and their record Con las Huevos in la Mano. And I'm all about Banda el Recodo's new one too, it's often fast, like speed metal fast, except with tubas and clarinets and stuff.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

Some insider Latin Grammy stuff here:

http://goldderbyforums.latimes.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3226059864/m/5461019033/p/3

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 17:31 (eighteen years ago)

> Have you never heard LTDN before, Phil?

Dude, my grandfather's Mexican. I've been listening to LTDN for years, off and on. I just happened to get this one from their publicist yesterday - they share a publicity firm with Calle 13, who I was interviewing - so I've been playing it and the office copy of 20 Corridos Inolvidables all day.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 17:33 (eighteen years ago)

okay then! yeah, Historias de Cantar is better than last year's Directo al Corazon for sure; "Ingratitude" is definitely the jammm, sounded great while I was driving in Topanga Canyon this summer. And yeah, La Banda de Carro Rojo is also really great.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 17:47 (eighteen years ago)

Anyone hear the brand new Eglantine Gouzy album Boamaster? It's kicking my ass in the same way the Cibelle album has been for months. I don't know if it's "world" music but it's from France.

mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 18:09 (eighteen years ago)

And on a totally different tip: Bulawayo Jazz, Zimbabwe jazz from the early '50s - whoa. I love the Cold Storage Band. Fantastic comp. http://www.sternsmusic.com/disk_info.php?id=swp032

mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 18:12 (eighteen years ago)

*Maurice el Medioni Descarga Oriental (Algerian-Jewish pianist/singer gets together with smart-ass Cuban expatriate Roberto Rodriguez to do it up big, Cuban music used in a non-boring way + Arabic pop = funn)

This is great! I finally got a chance to really listen to it. It's got a great joyful anything-goes vibe to it.

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 28 September 2006 13:42 (eighteen years ago)

I know I should consolidate my posts, but...

Extra Golden - meeting of two members of the Kenyan band Orchestra Extra Solar Africa (awesome name, never heard of them, have you?) and two members of the Washington, DC band Golden. Reminds me of the Roswell Rudd/Toumani Diabate record from a few years back, where you see these collaborations and think it might be a rote overslick exercise in 'world beat' genre mashing, turns out to be a very sympathic and effusive meeting where the sum is greater than the parts.

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 28 September 2006 14:07 (eighteen years ago)

I wanna check out that Extra Golden cd. Even though that one main Kenyan participant died, a revamped version of the group performed at Iota, outside DC the other weekend. Alas, I missed it due to family obligations.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Sunday, 1 October 2006 02:14 (eighteen years ago)

'world music' biz news from the rock, paper, scissors publicist's dubmc blog/board thingee:

http://www.dubmc.com/dubmc/2006/09/palm_pictures_d.html

Palm Pictures Downsized with No New World Music Releases In Sight
Sources have reported to DubMC that Palm Pictures has let go of most of their remaining staff today with "only a few accountants still walking around the office" and a couple of marketing staff. Approximately fifty staff members have been let go in the past month or so. This is not a total surprise since Palm has not released much if any physical product in several months. This follows on the heels of Triloka Records getting absorbed by Artemis and Narada getting fully absorbed by its parent company Virgin/EMI, with neither label continuing to release product under their world music imprints, and neither of Triloka's and Narada's founders still with the companies.

September 29, 2006 at 03:27 PM in Music Biz | Permalink

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Sunday, 1 October 2006 02:21 (eighteen years ago)

Tower Records may have been bought by a liquidator, but they've only marked things down 10% right now. That Cheikh Lo cd is $18.99 list. Hopefully in a week or so they'll mark it down more. Bought Ethiopiques Vol. 3 at a pretty good price though.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Monday, 9 October 2006 00:33 (eighteen years ago)

Maria Bethania's balladry is getting lots of stereo play from me. Does Caetano Veloso have any other siblings who sing?

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 10:09 (eighteen years ago)

Songstress Juana Molina isn't quaking anymore

By Jessica Hopper
Special to the Tribune
Published October 10, 2006

excerpt---

"This fall, Molina will be one of a handful of independent South American artists touring America; Jose Gonzalez from Argentina, CSS, Tetine and Bondo De Role from Brazil have all made recent Chicago stops. Though some are ex-pats, South American artists are being embraced by the American underground. Amy Phillips, news editor at Pitchfork Media, says several things have helped open the door and generate interest.

"It's not just one factor -- these artists are filtering through in a context that indie rockers are comfortable with -- the right people and labels are saying it's cool," Phillips says. "Juana Molina is on Domino, CSS is on Sub Pop, Diplo is deejaying a lot of Brazilian music.

"Secondly, right now, a lot of hipster types are going down to Buenos Aires and spending a lot of time there, because it's inexpensive and has a lot going on -- it's like Prague was in the '90s. Also, indie rock always needs another culture to exoticize -- it's their turn."

The American underground's embrace of South America's latest crop of artists as good news for Molina, though she admits she's conflicted about it. "This is the good part of globalization; it works out for bands," she says. "But, I know, with globalization and the Internet, with people having access to all kinds of information -- I do not like the idea of every place being the same place. It can be interesting, cultures mixing, but people are losing distinct identity and place."

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 17:51 (eighteen years ago)

"Secondly, right now, a lot of hipster types are going down to Buenos Aires and spending a lot of time there, because it's inexpensive and has a lot going on -- it's like Prague was in the '90s. Also, indie rock always needs another culture to exoticize -- it's their turn."

That is funny. Thanks Amy.

I'm listening to Brazilian Chico Buarque right now. He's ok.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 04:36 (eighteen years ago)

Juana Molina is well worth seeing live. Like Imogen Heap, she's good at sampling herself as she plays/sings, and looping the samples straight back in accumulating layers. All of which is saved from tweeness by the subtly dissonant electronica which rumbles beneath...

Currently enjoying Golden Afrique 3: Disc 1 is South Africa, and Disc 2 is Zambia/Zimbabwe. However, the cumulative sweetness gets a bit cloying over the course of a full length disc, particularly with the samey chord progressions on the South African disc.

The new World Circuit compilation is a better bet: it's particularly good at emphasising the connections between West African and Cuban musics.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:43 (eighteen years ago)

1. Agreed on Juana Molina live. On CD, she has a tendency to sound breathy and twee, and her guitar is mixed fairly low. Live, she is not only great at building layers of loops and singing three-part harmony with herself, but she is a good, tough guitar player, and a surprisingly strong singer.

2. Molina's Son is my favorite record so far this year. The central track, "Mikael", is three minutes of stunning. The whole thing is more accessible and less wifty than Tres Cosas, her previous record, and a lot more confident and sophisticated than Segundo (which was pretty fine). She deserves the attention she's getting.

3. To change the topic, Nuevo Leon's ragacumbiamuffin anti-Kinky El Gran Silencio has a new record out, Communicaflow Underground. (Roughly three years after the missed release date for what was SUPPOSED to be their next record.) It's great! Somewhat more organic and less varied than previous EGS offerings, more hip-hoppy, but with live drums and acoustic guitar on almost every track (and still lots of accordion). Haikunym, where are you? (Things that suck about it: crappy booklet with no credits, no lyrics, and no good art.)

4. Also, apparently my very favorite artist Rachid Taha released a new record, Divan 2 (Divan was 10 years ago), in France and England last week. Canada next week, U.S. in three. Has anyone heard it?

5. What good does it do to register on these people's websites, and they don't even bother to send you an e-mail when they release an album that you are willing actually to buy without question?

Vornado (Vornado), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 21:05 (eighteen years ago)

When they are actually doing things, they're too busy to tell you about it. I've noticed a lot of artist web-sites are two or three years out of date, and I mean active artists who aren't just free improvisers living in some shack somewhere.

R_S (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 21:07 (eighteen years ago)

I think this will be good (on Tzadik) if it's new (and if it's a reissue, that's fine too--I want to pick up the original some time). I saw them perform at the 1987 New Music America Festival. I remember liking it, but that's about all I remember.

Henry Kaiser / Charles K. Noyes / Sang Won Park: Invite the Spirit 2006 [#7617]

One of the most evocative and successful meetings of East and West reunites to weave their magic spell via kayagum, electric guitar and percussion. Invite the Spirit was a sensation when it was first released in 1983 and now over twenty years later they are sounding better than ever. Joined by two scintillating Korean P’ansori vocalists on several tracks this is a whole new take on the Korean shamanistic tradition. Over seventy minutes of timeless, ecstatic, magical music unlike anything you’ve ever heard.

R_S (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 21:18 (eighteen years ago)

The new Rahim al Haj oud CD is out, on Smithsonian Folkways. I think this is one I will be buying soon. Yes, he studied with Munir Bachir, who I've never really liked much, but I think he has a warmer, more human sound than Munir Bachir's. To me, in oud improvisation, an enormous part of the emotional impact is carried by the specific timbre and tone of the oudist.

http://www.folkways.si.edu/search/AlbumDetails.aspx?ID=3127#

R_S (RSLaRue), Thursday, 26 October 2006 00:35 (eighteen years ago)

I am really happy he is recording oud taksim in this case. I'd rather hear what he can do in a pure presentation of the various maqamt than in compositions for solo oud. It may sound odd, but I don't really care for solo oud playing where the oudist is playing a pulse or otherwise playing fairly regularly rhythmic figures. That can fine for accompaniment, but even then, if it's just oud and vocals, it can get tiring after a while. The live recording I have by Al Haj, Iraqi Music in a Time of War, is more like "dances played on the oud." It's one of the better examples of that type of thing that I've heard, but it's still not my favorite style of playing.

(For the anti-purists: I am such a purist about this because, at its best (which it rarely is), oud taksim hits me emotionally in a very particular way that I almost never get from other types of oud performances.)

R_S (RSLaRue), Thursday, 26 October 2006 00:44 (eighteen years ago)

I know I like to get excited about things, like most of us here, but I really think this is going to be one of the best solo oud recordings in recent memory. "ONE OF THE BEST SOLO OUD RECORDINGS IN RECENT MEMORY. . ."

R_S (RSLaRue), Thursday, 26 October 2006 00:46 (eighteen years ago)

There is lots of great stuff on this page!--

http://www.smithsonianglobalsound.org/sgs_live.aspx#Mideast

R_S (RSLaRue), Thursday, 26 October 2006 01:00 (eighteen years ago)

Check out the Junkanoo Parade. It looks like a more African, vastly funkier, Mummers Parade.

R_S (RSLaRue), Thursday, 26 October 2006 01:01 (eighteen years ago)

http://cover6.cduniverse.com/MuzeAudioArt/Large/92/947892.jpg

R_S (RSLaRue), Thursday, 26 October 2006 01:10 (eighteen years ago)

It's time to world.

R_S (RSLaRue), Thursday, 26 October 2006 01:10 (eighteen years ago)

Hi Vornado, I love the EGS record too...although I'm surprised at how reggaeton-centric most of the beats are. I am here but I have been too busy listening to: Los Enanitos Verdes, Julieta Venegas, Gustavo Cerati, the Roots of Rumba Rock disc (singles from the Congo in the 1950s OMG), a bunch of weirdo avant-jazz from Italy and Czech Republic, and some really great taoureg music and a lot of Indian soundtracks.

Well, that and Los Burbanks and Gomez and Itibirê Familia Orquetra and OOIOO and Tanya Stephens and um some other stuff.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 26 October 2006 01:39 (eighteen years ago)

There's going to be a Colombian equivalent of that Panama! 60s Funk Reggae Disco Afrobeat Khaleeji You Name It from the Isthmus mentioned up thread. That should be great. I still need to pick up the Panama one.

R_S (RSLaRue), Thursday, 26 October 2006 01:54 (eighteen years ago)

xpost: Agreed, Juana Molina's "Micael" is the standout track on Son for me as well. Domino in the US have it as a free download: http://www.dominorecordco.us/downloads/JM/JM_Mic.mp3

xpost2: My partner heard some of the new Rachid Taha on the radio, and said it was more rai and less rock... well, good.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 26 October 2006 08:48 (eighteen years ago)

a bunch of weirdo avant-jazz from Italy

N.A.D.M.A.?

I'm loving Paura.

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

Way back in January I was loving the Nacao Zumbi album, and I still am; it might even make my Top 10 for the year (personal Top 10, I mean; it got an Honorable Mention in Global Rhythm's year-end roundup). And I just went trawling through the Brazilian section of the mag's CD library and turned up a copy of their self-titled 2004 album, so I'm gonna listen to that on the train ride home tonight.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 26 October 2006 19:18 (eighteen years ago)

Africando
Ketukuba
CD (Sterns) 2006
Africando, the Afro-Salsa supergroup is back. Fourteen years after the historic first meeting of the best singers from Senegal and the best Latin musicians in New York, "Ketukuba" , their seventh album is ready. "Ketukuba" is a tribute to the late Gnonnas Pedro, Benin’s favourite son, who sang with Africando from 1996 until his death in 2004. The title song, was his last recording.
Medoune Diallo, who earned his reputation with Orchestre Baobab before casting his lot with the nascent Africando in 1992, sings a duet with his son, Lodia Mansour, a rising star in Senegal today.
This album also introduces two other young but already seasoned Senegalese singers to Africando’s worldwide fans: Pascal Dieng of Super Cayor and Basse Sarr of Orchestre Afro-Salsa de Dakar. Africando stalwarts Amadou Ballake and Sekouba Bambino are in top form. American salsero Joe King gives a rendition of “Nina Nina” that may well become the definitive version of the Fania All-Stars classic.
Congolese star Madilu System joins Africando for a sparkling Latinate version of “Mario,” the landmark hit he originally recorded with Franco’s T.P.O.K. Jazz in 1985. And he sings it even better now! Nelson Hernandez, who has worked with Kekele as well as with Celia Cruz, Oscar D’Leon and many other Latin stars, wrote arrangements that allow such top-tier musicians as pianist Junito Davila, trumpeter Gazo Jaime and percussionists Roberto and Luis Quintero to shine. As always, producer Ibrahima Sylla brings extraordinary talents together and elicits brilliant performances from them.

R_S (RSLaRue), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:12 (eighteen years ago)

Ibrahima Sylla has produced a number of nice releases.

In other news, It would have nice to have to the WOMEX festival/conference in Sevilla--

http://www.womex.com/realwomex/main.php?id_headings=28&id_realwomex=8&subheading=29

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 05:21 (eighteen years ago)

It would have Been nice to have GONE to the WOMEX festival/conference in Sevilla. Some of the performers:

Akli D. (Algeria / France)
Kabylian Berber singer´s avant-Afro/Algerian/Blues/world mix with Manu Chao producing his latest.

Eskorzo (Spain)
Una mezcla fantástica! From Adalusia to Bulgary, from Uruguayan ´Canbombe´to the funk of New Orleans, from reggae to rock and hip-hop comes this home grown, high energy group of musical revolutionaries from Granada.

Afel Bocoum & Alkibar (Mali)
Mali's messenger of desert blues tends musical and agricultural roots

El Tanbura (Egypt)
Egyptian collective wants to invite you to a party


curmudgeon (DC Steve), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 05:32 (eighteen years ago)

I love womex tho i've sadly missed the last two, always one of the most exhilarating and exhausting weekends

you can see some of the performances here http://www.mondomix.com/event/womex2006/

H (Heruy), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 15:52 (eighteen years ago)

Just picked up the Juana Molina cd for 30% off at Tower...

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 23:12 (eighteen years ago)

had e-mailed this to some London ilxors last week, but for anyone else in London who might be interested, Cibelle is playing a show on the 28th at Momo's, info below

Momo's actually has a free world music show every Tuesday so folx hld check whats coming up

The Kemia Bar at Momo presents BRASIL DO FUTURO Party - featuring Cibelle (LIVE) + SPECIAL GUEST DJ : RKK from Radio Nova (Paris) on TUESDAY 28th NOVEMBER – 8pm – Free admission !!! 25 Heddon street, London W1

Click on http://ecard.atnetplanet.com/rkk/en/ to launch the ecard

H (Heruy), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 07:09 (eighteen years ago)

The Putumayo African music tour show with Ivory Coast's Dobet Gnahore, Mali's Habib Koité, and South Africa's Vusi Mahlasela in DC was much better than I expected. Rather than just having all 3 acts do their own sets--they alternated for awhile song after song, and also performed together. Youngster Dobet Gnahore was the only female on the bill and her voice reminded me of some of Mali's fine singers. She also danced well. Habib Koité was impressive on various acoustic instruments, and Vusi Mahlasela, whom I had previously found kind of bland, actually had a pretty striking voice. Vusi did a nice take on the South African classic "Pata Pata."

Despite it being a Putamayo acoustic event marketed mostly to American-born NPR listeners, a number of DC based folks from various African countries plus locals got onstage and danced and showered performers with dollars African-style.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Saturday, 18 November 2006 20:14 (eighteen years ago)

So I've been liking What's Happening In Pernambuca: New Brazilian Sounds of the Brazilian Northseas Chico Science/Cabruera associated stuff that comes out on Luaka Bop early next year, much of it beautifully sambafied, and much of it with lots of cool wacky noises within its funk, and some of it off-key, my wife says, though I didn't notice that on my own, and it doesn't really bother me.

Also, from the rolling country thread (interesting that this has inspired no talk here, being from the #1 movie in the U.S. and A.):

the Borat, which I think is actually very good (being quasi-Asian it has twice the twang of new country);
-- Frank Kogan (edcasua...), October 31st, 2006.


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That's a good band on Stereophonic Musical Listenings That Have Been Origin In Moving Film Borat; not clear to me how literal their ripoff/appropriations of Middle Eastern European (or whatever) pop are (for all I know it could just secretly be like one of those Sublime Frequencies albums where the music is all stolen from found cassette tapes) (the "credits" on the CD cover are in real or fake Kazakh, ha ha), but the actual music balances out "In My Country There Is a Problem (Throw The Jew Down The Well)" and "You Be My Wife" (rhymes with "we'll make love whenever I like") appropriately.

"O Kazakhastan" on Borat's album is on now. It'd fit right in on the new Laibach album Volk, which is their renditions of national anthems from the world over. Maybe they read what Frank wrote about Rammstein making a folk move upthread, and decided to one-up them?

-- xhuxk (fakemai...), November 4th, 2006.


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Borat (just saw the movie, which was slightly disappointing though still frequently hilarious but maybe the disappointment was just that it had been built up so much by so many people, but at any rate i also just realized today that the soundtrack is a compilation, and track #7 is beautiful, and i think it's by o.m.f.o. but it's hard to tell because there are not the same number of titles on the cover as tracks on the cd, since some of the tracks are just snippets of dialouge and stuff, so you can't just count down to the seventh title, which is "grooming pubis", and also "o kazakhastan" which ends the movie sounds more like laibach than most of the national anthems on laibach's own new album) -- xhuxk (fakemai...), November 19th, 2006.

So I figured out with 95 percent certainty the track #7, my favorite (and probably the most pop, thanks to the sweet-voiced lady singer) track on the Borat soundtrack, is "Eu Vin Acasa Cu Drag" by Stefan De La Barbuletsi, which originally supposedly appeared on AMMRA Records S.R.I. The other legit/non-Borat-sung tracks (apparently middle eastern and or eastern European, though maybe or I assume not usually Kazakh per se) are consistently really good, too, and first came out on labels like Piranha, Essay, Crammed Discs, World Connection, etc. O.M.F.O., who made an album I liked a couple years ago, have two tracks, which I'm pretty sure are tracks # 10 and 12. The only really confusing thing if you sit down with a pen and paper is that there seem to be three "real songs" between Borat's "You Be My Life" at # 13 and his "O Kazazhstan" at # 18, but only two titles between them. Which makes tracks #14 throuh #16 somewhat mysterious (since #17 is Borat high-fiving a gay-bashing redneck of some sort).
(Hey Frank brought the album up! I guess I should put all this on the world music thread too. I'm not sure what it has to do with country, though yeah, there's a twang in the music now and then, and didn't one of you guys vote for Gogol Bordello in a Nashville Scene poll once? This CD belongs on a shelf near them, Kultur Shock, Balkan Beatbox, etc, unless like me you file in alphabetical order.)

-- xhuxk (fakemai...), November 19th, 2006.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 19 November 2006 15:34 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcI_cC1uEUE

R_S (RSLaRue), Sunday, 19 November 2006 18:09 (eighteen years ago)

yeah i'm reviewing the luaka bop comp for a magazine, it's good, esp. the cabruera track. is good.

it's interesting to compare pitbull's el mariel with tego calderon's el subestimado as world music albums as opposed to hip-hop or reggaeton (esp because pitbull has NO reggaeton to it). both are great, love them very much.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Sunday, 19 November 2006 18:35 (eighteen years ago)

also going here because it won't fit anywhere else: the new paulina rubio, ananda, is the least poppy thing she's ever done; it's a lot more introspective and pretty. still brings the hooky video goodness though with "ayúdame" and "ni una sola palabra". i love her so much, even when she does BIG CRED MOVE

Haikunym (Haikunym), Sunday, 19 November 2006 18:37 (eighteen years ago)

Who is she trying to reach with a "big cred move" ? Anglo critics? Older middle class Hispanics? Just curious what you mean and if you think it will work...

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:00 (eighteen years ago)

okay that was a misnomer (miss nomar = mia hamm); i think she is just at a very calm meditative place in her life and decided to do a softer and more contemplative album, as opposed to previous attention-seeking HUGE BLAZOW NOIZY SPLASH records. she probably doesn't give a damn what critics think anymore.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

The most recent single/video (where she's a superhero) is pretty awful, though the video gets points for truly astonishing amounts of cameltoe.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

i havent seen any new videos but i love 'ayudame' so we are probably on different wavelengths in re p.blonde

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:35 (eighteen years ago)

La Onda Tropical has some interesting new stuff up, including some leaked Calle 13 and a track from an old school reggaeton act making a come-back (pretty good, very merengue-ish in the beginning), or something like that:

http://laondatropical.blogspot.com/

R_S (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 03:07 (eighteen years ago)

(miss nomar = mia hamm)

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mcd (mcd), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 13:59 (eighteen years ago)

yeah sorry about that scott

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 16:01 (eighteen years ago)

I couldn't let that one just pass by.

Anyhow, I know I mentioned this elsewhere but there's a reissue of a record by Marconi Notaro from the early '70s (Brazilian psych tropicalia thing) that I just love. It's sort of what I expected Os Mutantes to sound like before I ever heard them.

mcd (mcd), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 16:25 (eighteen years ago)

Is new tom ze record, "danc-eh-sa". Dusty Groove claims:
Purportedly, the work is Ze's answer to an MTV marketing report that discovered a new trend for "hedonism, consumerism and social irresponsibility in youth"

Just got it from dustygroove. It is amazing; by far my favorite Ze since Fabrication Defect. Definitely more over-the-top experimental/hi-energy than his past few. As usual, there is a clear overarching conceptual hook that I am once again way not fluent enough in portuguese to get.

bangelo (bangelo), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 04:44 (eighteen years ago)

seventeen years pass...

Listening to Toumani Diabete - Boulevard de l'Independance, after hearing about it on a podcast (Tape Op does one where engineers & musicians talk about a favorite record).

It's a great record, sort of a pan-African fusion concept with Senegalese drummers, horns arranged by Pee Wee Ellis, a salsa track, etc. The sabar drums sound amazing, even if they're kept pretty reined in rhythmically.

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Monday, 25 March 2024 16:12 (one year ago)

Oh I had forgotten about that album and just listened to it again. I like the way the softer sounds of Toumani Diabete's harp-like kora and the yearning vocals of Kasse Mady Diabate interact with the punchier sabar drums.

curmudgeon, Monday, 25 March 2024 21:35 (one year ago)


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