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are we....ready?

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

go on...

― stevo (stevo), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

i would but it ain't up just yet

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

I will get NO work done today.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

I was teased for saying that yesterday, Soto, but I think you and I are alike on this one. I've barely digested the Oscar noms.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

Go Amy Adams!

― Josh Timmermann (Josh Timmermann), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

do y'all have money riding on this or something?

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

Kanye's totally covering the spread.

― Josh Timmermann (Josh Timmermann), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

i was actually chatting about this the other night with my boss and this is the first year since i've been paying attention that i honestly can't figure the top 5 with any certainty.

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

I was teased for saying that yesterday, Soto

Reading Pazz & Jop vs reading/posting on ILM: a major difference

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

Didn't you crack the system last year, jaymc?

― Redd Harvest (Ken L), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, I remember that.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

LIKE XMAS

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

"i resent the assumption that i am excited about pazznjopmas"

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

Once again: I call
M.I.A. over Kanye
by 25 points

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

and if I am wrong
I won't give even one shit
nope, not even one

what I really like
is reading other's ballots
and cross-checking links

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

my guess for top 3:

MIA
Kanye West
Sufjan Stevens

― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

HOW CONTROVERSIAL, KORNRULEZ6969!!!!

― sean gramophone (Sean M), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

people, plz. calm down. it hasn't even gone up yet.

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

my guess for top 3:
MIA
Kanye West
Sufjan Stevens

you could probably add Beck to that and have the top four

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

bloodshed before lunchtime.

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

god, Beck? down with people

― Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

Why stop with people?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

why start at all?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

what?

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

HI DERE

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

MY NAME IS LARRY

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

KOZZZEN LARRY!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.emptygatezen.com/images/zero.jpg

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

(That would have been better three posts ago.)

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

Well, then restart the exchange so it'll flow the right way.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

MY NAME IS LARRY

I HAVE A MOMMMMM
HER NAME IS MOMMMMMMM

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

THE NEXT PERSON TO POST ON THIS THREAD TO SAY ANYTHING OTHER THAN "OH, YEAH, PNJ IS UP NOW" IS GETTING THEIR POSTS FUCKED WITH.

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

I WARNED U

― shut up (noodle vague), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

This feels like waiting at the airport for an afternoon flight – and no drinks!

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

I've got this mental image of a thick purple vein throbbing dangerously in yr forehead, Jess.

― The Man in the Iron-On Mask (noodle vague), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

No, no, this is like the last day of school before summer break and you get out at 2 pm and it's noon and everytime you look at the clock it's STILL EFFIN NOON

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

actually, isn't it not up until tomorrow?

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

van der beek otm

― blackmail (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

i coulda sworn that one of the last mass emails said it'd be up today, but my memory sucks. can anyone confirm or deny?

jess, why do you change your ilm name so much?

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

Because he's like Madonna.

― Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

i am a man of many moods

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

The Voice usually comes out online on Tuesday afternoon.

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

madonna's changed her stage name 2,000 times?

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

yes, her latest psuedonym is "christian fennesz"

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

ha ha ha

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

Scott, I really can't believe Guero at #4. Ugh.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

When it actually drops, can we start a new thread, so I won't have to scroll past all this horseshit?

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

I can't say I'm certain who will win. My prediction is Kelly C. one and Amerie two and M.I.A. one and Kanye two, but those could reverse themselves and I can even imagine Kelly finishing as low as four (behind Three 6 Mafia and Madonna). I predict that 2 to 4 of my singles and 2 to 3 of my albums will finish in the top 40, which is way more than usual. (Kelly, Ciara, Daddy Yankee, Foxy; M.I.A., Franz, Robyn.)

Rollin w. the zeitgeist

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

Whiney, as always, we can start multiple threads ("Once again, Myanmar was passed over in Pazz & Jop") ("Tokenism a go-go: people who voted for no indie rock 'cept for Franz Ferdinand")

Proud to contribute to the horseshit

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

So what will we call the other thread? "Pazz N Jop 05: Non-Horseshit Edition"?

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

IT'S UP!

― Zwan (miccio), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

That was meant for the Dow thread, sorry.

― Zwan (miccio), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

it's up

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

it's all horseshit, so i'm not particularly bothered by this horseshit

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

You got me.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

Argh! Anthony made me spill my coffee.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

and there's not even a dow thread

― Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

in other news, pope dead.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

If the SAG awards are any indicator Oscarwise, we got one Cra(sh)(p)tastic Oscars coming up.

― Zwan (miccio), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

i can't even tell if you made a mistake there

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

World Cup results (group 2):

Trinidad and Tobago - 156 points (QUALIFY AS WINNERS)
England - 127 points (QUALIFY)
Sweden - 119 points
Paraguay - 100 points

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

no tobago, no credibility

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

you know what your problem is jess? you worry too much.

― Zwan (miccio), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

Think xgau will reference Brokeback Mountain? I hope so!

― Zwan (miccio), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

roffl

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

Heh, I mentioned BBM in one of my comments.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

So what's the rockworld equivalent of Brokeback Mountain, then?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

Franz Ferdinand, obv. "It's arty! And gay!"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

I say Antony

― Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

j blount trickeded me

― ziti sanskrit (sanskrit), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

I referenced St. Teresa's autobiography and vomit on the sidewalk in mine!

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

If there isn't a Joe Levy quote about Katrina, I'm asking for a refund.

x-post Jim DeRogatis and twinkies. "I can't quit you!"

― Zwan (miccio), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

I think the last truly Crash-style equivalent was The Rising in the top 10.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

A Bigger Bang in a photo finish!

― Zwan (miccio), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, while you're waiting, there's always old blind items:
http://www.villagevoice.com/nyclife/0540,musto,68475,15.html
http://www.villagevoice.com/nyclife/0513,musto,62468,15.html

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

'Round these parts it's easy to forget that Springsteen released an album in '05.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

1. A Bigger Bang
2. Guero
3. Silent Alarm
4. Late Registration
5. Gimme Fiction

― Zwan (miccio), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

x-post evidently! Replace Spoon with Bruce then.

― Zwan (miccio), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

Gdamnit, every thread I've started about a Musto blind items column has withered and died.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

is congotronics gonna make top 10?

― don't start a RYE-OTT! (plsmith), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

I'm going to make a list of everybody who voted for congotronics and NOTHING ELSE FROM AFRICA.

― Zwan (miccio), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

i aint vote for shit

― don't start a RYE-OTT! (plsmith), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

1. A Bigger Bang
2. Guero
3. Silent Alarm
4. Late Registration
5. Gimme Fiction

That's the way it might have looked in 1982!

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

haha PLZ PLZ DO THAT TONE

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

I'm going to make a list of everybody who voted for congotronics and NOTHING ELSE FROM AFRICA.
-- Zwan (anthonyisrigh...), January 31st, 2006. (miccio)

hahahaaha....that was fun!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

if you voted for an album with a "lust for life" burundi beat on it, I'll let you pass.

― Zwan (miccio), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

There hasn't been a "world music" album in the top ten since The Indestructible Beat of Soweto.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

"the USA was part of the world, last time I checked."
-- xhuxk (xedd...), January 31st, 2006. (later)

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

Dude, the scare quotes were there for a reason.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

Thank God I stopped following music.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

Surely albums from the UK count as world music to us at the center of the universe!

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

THEY DON'T COUNT AS MUSIC AT ALL DEEJ

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

btw, Crash won the Ensemble Acting SAG cuz it had MORE ACTORS.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

tell me more

― Zwan (miccio), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

don't make me lock some of you out of this thread.

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

There's a new Catucci article on Cat Power so it must be soon.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

the rapture?

― Zwan (miccio), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

Coldplay at number one!

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

Jesus, top 30 at the very least, totally forgot about that.

sneak preview:

'Voters have always shown their fondness for commercial pleasures in their singles ballot, and this year is no exception...'

― Zwan (miccio), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

The Results Are In!

― gato, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

COMMERCIAL PLEASURE IS FOR POPISTS

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

woah - surprising results! tone was righter than we thought!

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

Woebot in a sweep!

― Zwan (miccio), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

Hamas in a sweep!

― TRG (TRG), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

tamil tigers for the block!

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

#1 Your hard drive

― Zwan (miccio), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

#1 Anthony's hard drive

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

#1 Anthony's hard ~~drive~~

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

#1 i'ma lose it in about 5

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

dude I'm listening to the second half of First Impressions Of Earth, it ain't my hard drive and I ain't hard.

― Zwan (miccio), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

jaymc this isn't a chat room.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

Keep harpin' on that, Stence.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

haha sorry jay, i think you set yourself up for at least three years of roffles

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

it's up

― älänbänänä (alanbanana), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

Ah well, fair enough...

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.firstartsource.com/Art/AndrewsReturn.jpg

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

yeah man you can't really keep posting about flirting with straight dudes in chat rooms and then get mad when somebody makes fun of you for it! sheesh.

anyway, this has been some week for news, huh?

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

http://scoopsnoodle.com/2pacbaptizedbymalcom.jpg

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

Jesus, I'm running out of ways to loaf around over here.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.leokoenig.com/artists/sanford/4.jpg

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

omg Tom Sanford is my new favorite artist - ty gear

http://www.leokoenig.com/works.php?art_id=19&im_id=1

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

I forget -- is Mira Sorvino reading the results this year?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

Should we discuss the Young Jeezy or Cat Power articles in the meantime?

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.leokoenig.com/artists/sanford/13.jpg

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

something for kogan's wall:

http://www.leokoenig.com/artists/sanford/15.jpg

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.leokoenig.com/artists/sanford/6.jpg

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

he prettys up ashlee a bit there

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

And seems to have Sheryl'd up Jessica a bit.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

Ashlee's now gone peroxide, by the way (at least as of August).

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

and pete seeger tried to pull the plug on her blow dryer!

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

I don't remember it being this late last year, was it?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

my contacts are starting to dry.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

it's new times' cynical attempt to drive up their hit count. 'if they keep hitting reload...'

― maura (maura), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

chuck eddy overslept

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

I can't believe you guys think M.I.A. is going to beat Kanye. There's no way! (I would like to see it happen, though).

― twoheadedboy, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

Christgau is struggling with his essay due to Crazy Frog's unexpected win in the singles poll.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

Christgau is struggling with new ways to insult Interpol.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

Sylvester is out doing coke with Young Jeezy.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

I have $20 that MIA will beat Kanye!

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

New Riff Raff now up.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

http://mrgrumman.home.comcast.net/DrudgeSiren.gif...JUST IN...DEVELOPING...http://mrgrumman.home.comcast.net/DrudgeSiren.gif

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

Guys, you don't understand: New York Has a New Gay Strip Club!

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I know.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

It's up now for real

wtf? how did Sufjan win in the singles category?

― ziti sanskrit (sanskrit), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

a Situational Gay Strip Club?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

you guys have really got to learn some onMouseOver scripts

― Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

seriously

― maura (maura), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

I TOOK OFF A WHOLE DAY OF WORK FOR THIS

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

Where's Chuck? Wasn't he on one of these threads dropping hints last year?

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

You did NOT.

(xpost)

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

Chuck 'n' Xgau are getting hammered while the 1400 trolls on this thread weep bitter tears.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

I took off Critmas last year, too.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

Mad that Daddino came up with "Critmas" before I did.

― Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

YES BUT INSTEAD OF WITTY ROCK TETE A TETE WITH MY PEERS I AM FORCED TO CRUISE AOL M4M ROOMS. SOMEBODY STOP ME.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

Why is this thread suddenly dominated by the Gay Men of ILX? < /Morbius>

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

Someone else invented "Critmas." I take no responsibility for this bastard child.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

maybe you'll see jaymc in there.

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

i am so tempted to delete these xposts

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

Was waiting for that...

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

I've totally cleared my afternoons in the past for this. But Tuesday is a production day. Of course, now that I'm getting things wrapped up, I want it NOW.

predix:
1. Kanye
2. MIA
3. Fiona Apple
4. White Stripes
5. Sufjan

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

Because the Gay Men of ILX (TM) are hot HOT HOTTT!!!

Or something, I dunno.

― Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

While we're waiting, let me note that Marit Larsen, formerly the M in M2M, unless she was the other M, went to see Antony & the Johnsons in November, "and it was absolutely fantastic."

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

my stepmom saw phantom of the opera the other night, said it "sucked".

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

there was a song i heard the other day that i wanted to hear antony and the johnstons cover, but i forget what it is now

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

paradise by the dashboard light?

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

I went to the dentist last week.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

it was a vanessa carlton song, i just remembered

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

provided he keeps all the pronouns the same

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

i want to hear antony cover 'leave (get out)' by jojo

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

Let's talk Oscar nominations.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

Doesn't the paper version ship in a couple of hours?

― dan. (dan.), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

the 'lil bit of this, lil bit of that' one or the one in white chicks?

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

I want to hear Antony leave and get out, myself.

― Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, sorry guys, forgot to mention, New Times said we couldn't do P&J this year. The excel file with the results is on the Voice server though if anyone wants to hunt it down.

― P&J Poohbah (Eppy), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

if this is an intentional delay on their part, it makes sense.

perhaps they don't want msg boarders and bloggers going whole hog before everyone gets the paper in their hands

― ziti sanskrit (sanskrit), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

Can Eric Weisbard show up and tell me if I got into EMP, then?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

get a ~~sock~~hobby, dudes.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

Was yours the one called "Vibraphones in the Closet: R. Kelly, Tortoise, and Gay Chat Rooms"? If so, you're in.

― Eric Weisbard (Eppy), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

This IS a hobby, dude, at the least.

― Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

Get a...sock?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

OH. A sockhobby. I get it now.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

i guess you're not single anymore, michael.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

He's sockhappy!

― Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

Somebody restrain me from telling the hstencil toilet joke. You know the one.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

They're not posting P&J till this thread hits 200.

― someteenpartying (someteenpartying), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

wtf????? don't tell dude, i don't wanna know.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

pazz & jop '05
by samuel beckett

(scene: a white screen. enter RAYMOND CUMMINGS)

RC: are we....ready?
STEVO: go on...
RC: i would but it ain't up just yet

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

wait, it's up!

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

best pnj thread ever

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

gear wins again

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

best pnj thread ever

it really is. i'm enjoying the calm, fuck the storm.

― dancing chicken (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

*yawn* Wake me when it's up - as fun as this thread has been (in fits and starts), I'm tired of the anticipation.

― Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

Thomas, you just have no staying power!

― EZ Snappin (afka Erik the Mainer) (EZSnappin), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

http://patpend.net/manuals/box/nes/anticipation.jpg

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

SAY IT
SAY IT
http://www.whistlerthisweek.com/images/weekly/LIPS.jpg

― senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

sadism vs masochism T/S

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

It's not the final mix, but it's leaked on slsk now.

― JC-L (JC-L), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

My URL prediction: http://www.villagevoice.com/specials/pazznjop/05/

― Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I've been refreshing that URL all day -- that's how I sneaked in last year.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

Dude, I think they may be on to you...

― Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.villagevoice.com/rss/music.rss.xml

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

DUDERS!

One of my pals at the Voice just gave me all the spoilers about the top 3!

Does that make me king of the Internet now?

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

No, it makes you king of the blogosphere.

― Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.paypal.com

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

I'll have an eBay auction that lasts two hours.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

I think you should try and trade it for sex. With yourself, if necessary.

― Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

Done and done.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

nah, eBay didn't work so well.

― ziti sanskrit (sanskrit), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

I'm on some sword of excalibur shit right now.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

Whiney calls Florida for Bush

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

I was actually a registered voter in Florida for 2000. Don't ask who I voted for.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/0011/15/harris.jpg

― ziti sanskrit (sanskrit), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.nationmaster.com/wikimir/images/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/48/180px-Fidel_Castro_fatigues.jpg

― Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

ihttp://www.askinman.com/Steve%20Allen.jpg

― Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/ELIAN_GONZALES.jpg

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

I give, guys...

http://www-stu.calvin.edu/chimes/2000.09.08/images/nader.jpg

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

you can read tom hull's pazz & jop comments while you wait:

http://www.tomhull.com/ocston/nm/notes/pnj05c.php

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

ok seriously the wait is getting ridiculous

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, the paper copies should be hitting stands soon. Anyone know which boxes get filled first?

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

IIRC, they'd have been on the street a couple hours ago by now

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

x-post
that's ok, i voted Nader in 2000, too.

AFTER MAKING SURE THAT GORE WAS MORE THAN 10% AHEAD IN NY STATE'S POLLS!

sorry.

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

the first paper drop-off: Astor Place kiosk

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

And a new Status Ain't Hood shows up.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

prickteased for an entire day.

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

think i'd be used to it by now.

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

it has not been a wasted day

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I mean I knew I'd get little work done today, but I assumed it'd be from talking about Pazz & Jop...!

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

i wrote a "blurb" today. my big accomplishment.

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

I'm just waiting for WAY OVERDUE freelance copy to come in (cough), that's my excuse

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

that roxymuzak thread is the greatest thing ever

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

i keep having days where i smoke more cigarettes than things i accomplish

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

WAAAAAUGH

http://www.villagevoice.com/pazzandjop05/

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

Holy shit.
I work across the street. Would it make you all feel better if I walked over to the Astor drop off and picked up a copy?

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

FINALLY xpost

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

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― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

singles list: yay
albums list: terrorists have already won

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

OMGWTF?! "1 Thing" lost!

― Tape Store (Tape Store), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:37 (nineteen years ago)

i do have to say i am pretty surprised to see "gold digger" at number one

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:39 (nineteen years ago)

Boy, 2005 really did suck. I had no idea.

― Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:39 (nineteen years ago)

that albums list is some bullshit!

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

This is the first year that at least one other critic voted for every one of my picks (and Frances The Mute made the top 50!), so that's kinda interesting.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

It's really...yeah. Yikes.

― Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

could rock critics be anymore...hello!

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

tho 2 albums in the top 40 may be some kinda record for me

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

i'm happy amadou & mariam made top 20. and 25 is pretty good for congotronics too.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

ILM mentioned in Xgau's essay without explanation.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

No Daddy Yankee in first 40 singles? I thought I'd seen people here and there saying there was no way it wouldn't be up there...

― Jibé (Jibé), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

Pazz & Jop's methods are imperfect. But so are Amazon's, ILM's, and Metacritic's. So why doncha just listen to your Uncle Poobah?

xgau is ned

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

gasolina only got 10 votes! philistines.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

came out in 2004! calendars.

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

There's some bullshit in those collected hurricane comments (not from Edd or Pete though).

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

Once again, P&J is a reminder to me that no one else in the world shares my refined critical sensibilities.

― Charlie The Tunanym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

"On Metacritic, the enthusiasm of the Pitchfork rave that got the Clap Your Hands Say Yeah thing rolling is now exceeded by, I kid you not, that of Billboard—and also, just barely, that of me, which took months to formulate, after I dismissed a borrowed EP and then decided to buy the album and ran it through my head on cassette (right, cassette, stole that music myself) and finally woke up from a nap one day saying, "Gee, whatever this is it moves." By this time, CYHSY were a cliché."

― Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

My #1 [Malk] is #148. Not to get all Geir Hongro, but I guess there's just not that much interest in elegant songwriting out there.

Oh well.

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

okay, that was interesting.

when do glenn mcdonald's critical alignment ratings come out?

― dan (dan), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

someone should compile all the names who didn't vote for any jazz except Monk-Coltrane

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

Singles Top 40 list is pretty good, though, and included three that I voted for, and...

...if you total in last year's and this year's votes for "Galang," it's up at 105 votes, 4th place. (I think the reason they didn't is that this year's have to be up to half of last year's before they'll add 'em together.)

Real surprise for me is the Marley single, which I actually have and think is OK, but I totally forgot about it.

And 145 is actually a weak total for a winner.

But GREAT YEAR 'CAUSE TWO COUNTRY SONGS PLACED IN THE TOP 40, ONE OF WHICH IS ACTUALLY GREAT!

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

We need to change this poll now, today, because even ignoring its TOTAL INCAPACITY to reflect how music listening has changed over the last 30 years and especially the last seven, it is also STRAIGHT-UP RACIST: even if all the Dicks and Janes and ILXors know how put rainbow sprinkles on their lists and have dipshit threads about tokenism, this poll itself is structurally slanted away from how music is made outside of the crack-white universe in which the singer-songwriter is the hysterically disavowed totalitarian ideal that dominates rock and indie and the electronic diaspora and every other I'm-a-genius-and-here's-my-record form, and occasionally spits out an actual genius but mostly is just like getting beaten up by Big Willie in the prison yard the very morning after he's appeared on Conan acting sensitive and urging us to vote Democratic.

After "structurally slanted," which I don't understand at all, this is completely and utterly unreadable.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

ah, the new wave of 'good' rock writing. cough.

― maura (maura), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

What might help, a little: figuring out the main subject of "spits out."

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:06 (nineteen years ago)

michael why do you have to be so ... totes patriarchically grammatical!!!!

― maura (maura), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

x-post
why, it's the Crack-White Universe.

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

Is it ungrammatical or just annoyingly willful?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

totes patriarchically grammatical!!!!

haha, I take it that quote is from Julianne Shepherd?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

Or Hopper?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

It's uh er Jane Dark. Yeah.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

I predict that Christgau's essay will discuss institutional racism inherent in the poll no matter how high Kanye goes.

― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

I predict Brian will feel a little silly in a second or so

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

It would have been nice if they had actually noted the correct label for a single that I put out.
I know that the critic who voted for it gave them the right info.

Here's to fact checkers !

― Russell (Russell), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

Cool, he didn't. I wonder if that means he feels it's finally gone - and wouldn't that merit a mention? - or if he still thinks it's there but he had bigger fish to fry (or got sick of bringing it up)...

― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

Here's to fact checkers!

the Voice let its fact checking dept. go last week

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

d'oh!

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

tranny prostitute ads are totally gonna have misspelled names, now.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

Fact checkers aren't the only people they are going to
be letting go...

― Stapleton, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

Are they roaming the Bowery fact-checking the graffiti and the gig flyers?

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

"institutional racism" != "structurally slanted away from how music is made outside of the crack-white universe"

"Structurally slanted" implies to me a claim that music "made outside of the crack-white universe" will always lose out on the poll, no matter who the poobahs give ballots to (or even who returns their ballots), and there's something about the rules of the poll and ballot-making and what not that shortchanges the non-crack-white-universe.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

"tuamos"

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

"Kanye West's outburst during the Katrina telethon was the pop mo ment of the year because within the flow of heavily manipulated reality shows, highly choreographed live performances, and strategized blockbusters that make up the mainstream, it was an unscripted assertion of self. Kanye stood in for all of us whose brains were on overdrive as New Orleans fell, unleashing his own flood of guilt, shock, helplessness, and rage. "George Bush doesn't care about black people" may not be a totally true or responsible thing to say, but it's not spin."

― Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:30 (nineteen years ago)

ALBUMS
Late Registration on 28.6% of ballots cast
Arular 27.4%

SINGLES
"Gold Digger" on 18.2% of ballots cast
"1 Thing" 16.7%
"Since U Been Gone" 16.5%

These are comparatively weak, esp. the singles. In 2000 OutKast won albums with 37.5% and singles with 21.2%; in 2001 Dylan won albums with 37.6% and Missy won singles with 28.1%; in 2002 Wilco won albums with 28.9% and Missy won singles with 30.4%; in 2003 Outkast won albums with 42.1% (White Stripes second w/ 29.0%) and singles with 44.1% (Beyoncé was second with 27.9%, which'd have won easily this year); in 2004 Kanye won albums with 30.9% and Franz won singles with 18.4%.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:30 (nineteen years ago)

vitalic's ok cowboy got owned (#196)

― älänbänänä (alanbanana), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

I read "structurally slanted" and think, "poor housing?"

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

nice work on all those comments btw, Alfred.

― Josh Love (screamapillar), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

My dad's name is Bill O'Neill so whenever I look at the ballots, I always do a double-take. If Bill O'Neill posts here, can I borrow five bucks?

― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, Alfred's this year's Miccio. (Unless there was a "this year's Miccio" last year, which I don't remember.)

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

I love it.

― patrick bateman (mickeygraft), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:43 (nineteen years ago)

What the hell is Eminem's "Still Number 1"???

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:45 (nineteen years ago)

Oh cool, this thread comes with some amazingly reverberant acoustics.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:45 (nineteen years ago)

Man, Jane Clover Josh Dark holds him-her some grudges.

― dipshit violence (disco violence), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:47 (nineteen years ago)

(And his remarks about Kanye are the dumbest things I've seen since his bit last year on how "CDS ARE LIKE FAX MACHINES AND WHO USES FAX MACHINES ANYMORE")

― disco violence (disco violence), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:48 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, let's high-five each other for the Jason Forrest votes, wooo!

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:49 (nineteen years ago)

this poll itself is structurally slanted away from how music is made outside of the crack-white universe

i guess this refers to how producer type dudes like jazzy pha and timbaland or folks like that who do their best work as producers or beatmakers for other artists don't tend to get mentioned because they don't actually release work under their own name (mostly, anyway)....I guess that seems kinda right, but I suppose I guess maybe that's always happened in some sense...like to Brill Building folks or arrangers like Axelrod or something.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:50 (nineteen years ago)

Or Jon Brion

(oops)

― disco violence (disco violence), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i guess you could prolly put him in there. he's the jazze pha of cities 97.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

They may not get mentioned but their work does...

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

My dad's name is Bill O'Neill

http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/9705/14/newsradio/link.hartman.jpg?

― adam (adam), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

CHUCK GET OFF THE FUCKING CRACK REGARDING "MP3S ARE SCARY" OKTHXBYE

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:54 (nineteen years ago)

(PS Yes, McNeal, I know)

― adam (adam), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:55 (nineteen years ago)

That Cloverist overacademia smothering style makes me wonder if I should just give up and send my resume to Motor Trend ("Qualifications: ability to compare sound of an idling '06 Mustang to Jerome Brailey's drumming")

― disco violence (disco violence), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:56 (nineteen years ago)

he's the jazze pha of cities 97.

haha doi! i should remember not everyone lives in minneapolis.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

also: HEY EVERYBODY, NOBODY EVER SAID BLOGS WOULD MAKE YOU A DIME, MUCH LESS A LIVING. QUIT ACTING LIKE IT ALREADY. YOU ARE STRAWMANNING LIKE FUCKING CRAZY WITH THIS SHIT. THANK YOU.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:59 (nineteen years ago)

(xpost)

Is it an academic thing, though, or more like your standard internet rant style?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:59 (nineteen years ago)

came out in 2004! calendars.

pff, lots of things on the singles list came out in 2004. and gasolina was an '05 single in terms of when i heard it blaring out the most car windows, which counts as much as anything.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:00 (nineteen years ago)

also i note that ilxors are singlehandedly responsible for kiki & herb's #327 showing.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

i've never even been that interested in polls before, but this feels a bit like, weirdest poll ever. Especially, like, 21-80. Coldplay above CYHSY, in such an indie year, at that. Amadou and Mariam as high as they are. Spoon/Common/Bright Eyes/Beck/Bloc Party quinfecta. What's going on? I don't understand consensus. I'm almost a little ashamed that Isolée, the first of my votes to place, placed at 41. Such an uncomfortably "meh" slot, which is how the whole thing reads to me.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

I always get a perverse thrill out of seeing how many discs I vote for that I am the only one. This year, it's a lot. But all of them are the "metal" discs I liked this year so I think that my being a metal buyer at an indie store had a bigger impact on what I listened to this year than me as a writer. I wonder if this means I should stop doing this thing even though I do review records still...

Here are the position on the chart of my selections:

1) 116
2) 848
3) 922
4) 2
5) 206
6) 34
7) 343
8) 496
9) 1711
10) 377

The disc that would have made my Top Ten (removing my #10) had I remembered it when I did my ballot came in at #732. I feel horrible that my oversight might have cost it from getting into the Top 700.

― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

Joshua's/Jane's sentence works grammatically if you remove the comma before "and occasionally spits out" and add "that" after "and" to make the phrase "and that occasionally spits out": the subject of "spits out" is then "the hysterically disavowed totalitarian ideal." But I don't think that Joshua actually intended to say that the ideal is totalitarian (what's totalitarian about singer-songwriting? does it tap phones and put people in concentration camps?) but rather that the ideal always seems to win, which means that it's somehow got hegemony over our minds even despite ourselves.

But however you work it, Joshua's argument doesn't hold together intellectually, given that plumping for work by Jazze Pha is identical as far as I can tell to plumping for Timbaland or the Neptunes or Rich Harrison or Max Martin, all of whom have placed work high on Pazz & Jop. For that matter, I don't see how plumping for Jazze Pha is particularly different from plumping for Brian Wilson or Kanye West or M.I.A. In all cases, you're citing an individual for his or her contribution to music. And also, I don't see how the "ideal" is inherently racist, since not only does it tend to shortchange white-guy Max Martin, it also shortchanges white-guy John Shanks, whom I've been praising all over this board, and a whole bunch of other deserving white men and women, not to mention it's not entirely new to overlook producers, orchestrators, engineers and the like. People tend to vote for the frontman and the name on the marquee.

xpost

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:04 (nineteen years ago)

For everyone who voted for the White Stripes album over the Go-Betweens: eat shit and die.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:05 (nineteen years ago)

(now that my contact lenses have dried after 10 hrs of Oscar nom and P&J anticipation, I will open a bottle of wine and read Tennyson).

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:05 (nineteen years ago)

fucking hell, tori alamaze lost out to the pussycat dolls. the blogosphere loses.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:05 (nineteen years ago)

girls aloud were robbed. chemistry #271 and biology #147???

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

(now that my contact lenses have dried after 10 hrs of Oscar nom and P&J anticipation, I will open a bottle of wine and read Tennyson).

Haha, I love you.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

unless i'm mistaken, did any remix place higher than superpitcher's of M83, at 112? weird.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

Damn, you need a password to search this year?

― The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:08 (nineteen years ago)

I've had it with the caviling. In a year when the fashion in hip-hop realness was a grotesque crack nostalgia—powered, in the case of Young Jeezy (No. 39 album) and Three 6 Mafia (No. 10 single)

"Stay Fly" is crack nostalgia?

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:08 (nineteen years ago)

I just hit "enter" and it worked for me...

― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:08 (nineteen years ago)

girls aloud were robbed. chemistry #271 and biology #147???

Half of P&J voters have only the slightest idea of who Girls Aloud even are. ILM != the world.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

i like the go-betweens but i thought the new one was pretty mediocre...the white stripes was a big surprise! i like it.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

The ideal does tend to favor a Euro-American generally white procedure, which is to overlook collective effort and reward the individual. Maybe that's what's on Joshua's mind. But then, citing Jazze Pha is, you know, the same thing. And given that the poll asks us to vote for albums and singles, it isn't inherent in its procedure that we overlook the collectivity that helps make these albums and singles. That's a different issue.

more xpost

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

Also, grotesque tho it may be, I'm not sure Jeezy is about crack nostalgia, isn't that more a New York thing?

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:12 (nineteen years ago)

I just hit "enter" and it worked for me...

Ah yes, sorta. Ugly output though.

― The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:12 (nineteen years ago)

I'm trying to remember how and when and why I deluded myself into thinking this rockcrit thing would be fun.

I'm gonna have me some orange juice. I may or may not be back.

― disco violence (disco violence), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:13 (nineteen years ago)

(xpost)

Yes, Frank, that makes sense many times over.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:14 (nineteen years ago)

The disc that would have made my Top Ten (removing my #10) had I remembered it when I did my ballot came in at #732. I feel horrible that my oversight might have cost it from getting into the Top 700.

But Brian, together we got Witchcraft to #377!

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:14 (nineteen years ago)

Only two of my albs placed in the Top 40, which is about what I was expecting. Most interesting result: Bettye Lavette. (Not that I've heard her.)

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:18 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, I love you.

-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), February 1st, 2006.

Ha! Even after we've been tousling all day?

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:20 (nineteen years ago)

Half of P&J voters have only the slightest idea of who Girls Aloud even are. ILM != the world.

Well then P&J needs more Brits.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:21 (nineteen years ago)

But Brian, together we got Witchcraft to #377!

One day we will rule all of the universe, save for the top 376 of it...

― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:22 (nineteen years ago)

Well then P&J needs more Brits.

P&J: American By Birth, Southern by the Grace of God

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:23 (nineteen years ago)

I'm disappointed that "Since U Been Gone" didn't win, but I'm ECSTATIC about "Kerosene" placing in the top 40, and I wouldn't assume that many more Pazz & Joppers heard that one than heard Girls Aloud. How many of you have heard it?

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:25 (nineteen years ago)

I haven't yet, but I was planning on downloading the Nashville Scene's top 20 singles before I even saw the P&J results.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

Art Brut = a malodorous cologne worn by indie kids.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

"Most interesting result: Bettye Lavette. (Not that I've heard her.)"

utterly boring. lacklustre covers given to a soul vet to sing in a phone-booth (in other words, going for that johnny cash barebonez indierock cash).

the race thing never bothers me that much. most rock critics, black and white, are nerds who like nerdy music and most nerdy music is made by white people. so there you have it.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:30 (nineteen years ago)

Miranda Lambert Miranda Lambert Miranda Lambert Miranda Lambert Miranda Lambert Miranda Lambert Miranda Lambert Miranda Lambert Miranda Lambert Miranda Lambert Miranda Lambert Miranda Lambert (kogan is led away, drooling at the mouth)

― Frank Kogan's nanny (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:32 (nineteen years ago)

deanna carter got robbed. that's all i know.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:33 (nineteen years ago)

initial reaction: "oh... huh."

― sovietpanda (sovietpanda), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:33 (nineteen years ago)

note that this is probably the highest i've placed, in terms of punctuality, in a P&J poll-related ILM thread. not sure what that says about me, or this poll specifially. but the whole thing is mildly more interesting than the episodes of 24 that my mother taped and sent to spain for me. although this season does seem pretty good.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:34 (nineteen years ago)

I just noticed that Tim, Geeta, Ryan Kuo and Dave Morris all voted for Body Language but with slightly different titles and the votes were counted in two groups.

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:47 (nineteen years ago)

ALBUMS
Late Registration on 28.6% of ballots cast
Arular 27.4%
SINGLES
"Gold Digger" on 18.2% of ballots cast
"1 Thing" 16.7%
"Since U Been Gone" 16.5%

These are comparatively weak, esp. the singles ...

In addition, MIA and Kanye both earned 11.1 points/vote, which is also on weak side.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:50 (nineteen years ago)

System of a Down has two records making this list? C'mon.

― cdwill, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:53 (nineteen years ago)

And they screwed up the votes for Robyn's "Be Mine!" dividing it into those who used the exclamation point and those who didn't. In reality, it totals 14 points and places 48th. !!!!

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:53 (nineteen years ago)

and not that y'all should care, but this is gonna be my worst critical alignment ever. it's like, my music doesn't exist!

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:54 (nineteen years ago)

oops, I meant Tim, Geeta, Ryan, Dave and I.

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:57 (nineteen years ago)

11.1 isn't that weak, but last year Kanye got an average 11.5 points/vote, which was easily trumped by SMiLE's 12.4, the best points per vote showing out of the top ten.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:59 (nineteen years ago)

guys, it's up!

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 01:02 (nineteen years ago)

someone (maybe me) assumed that i was talking about a grizzled canadian folkie, instead of a hot anglo/fag popstar.

this amused me

― Anthony Easton, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 01:03 (nineteen years ago)

sherburne how come nobody likes 'living on a traffic island'? i feel like kogan hyping celine in the wilderness over here.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 01:03 (nineteen years ago)

"and not that y'all should care, but this is gonna be my worst critical alignment ever. it's like, my music doesn't exist!"

welcome to the club!

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 01:04 (nineteen years ago)

I think the lack of a record on the charts that lands on a ridiculous number of ballots is a function of a gazillion releases every year plus the fact that many critics will vote for self-released and maybe internet stuff.

It used to be that if you processed a thousand records in a year you heard a good chunk of all you could hear. This year I voted for a record that finished in 1,711th. I mean, how many of us *critically* listened to 1,700+ albums this year? That's over five different CDs a day without a single day off and if you're really listening critically, you probably listen to it more than once.

While some critics who are fortunate and good enough to make a living critiquing music might be able to listen to new music from a variety of sources 8-10 hours a day, the majority of us are part-timers who cannot devote that much time to listening to music.

So what happens when we hit a time crunch? We start spending more time with things that we know and/or things that our jobs require us to listen to. The regional guy listens to CDs of artists touring through his town, the rap contributor doesn't get past much hip-hop.

We will see the top albums get less of a percentage of the vote every year from now on, methinks, barring some year where something comes along that breaks through on a momumental scale. And Kanye West's second best album isn't it.

― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 01:06 (nineteen years ago)

Was Greil supposed to vote for the Legendary K.O. twice?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 01:06 (nineteen years ago)

dude's old, got like three teeth left, cut him some slack.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 01:08 (nineteen years ago)

"they screwed up the votes for Robyn's "Be Mine!" dividing it into those who used the exclamation point and those who didn't. In reality, it totals 14 points and places 48th. !!!!"

"Was Greil supposed to vote for the Legendary K.O. twice?"

P&J poobahs NEED to know this kinda stuff (which inevitably happens every year, despite endliess hours of eyeballing lists & ballots beyond your wildest fucking imagination), so if you notice any such technical gaffes, please email your favorite p&j poobah ASAP. Thanx!

― A Poobah, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 01:14 (nineteen years ago)

But I don't know who my favorite poobah is, I can't decide!

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 01:18 (nineteen years ago)

sylvester!

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 01:22 (nineteen years ago)

http://docs.voxeo.com/images/tutorials/poobah.jpg

The Grand Poobah, naturally...

― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 01:32 (nineteen years ago)

"and not that y'all should care, but this is gonna be my worst critical alignment ever.

Oh, don't give a thought to it. I held down the bottom or next to bottom for a couple years along with a few other familiars 'round here.

I'd like to see the P&J results plotted on a graph -- the actual curve and the area under it. You'd probably see right away that the area under the curve devoted to the one and two vote getters -- hey, most everything outside the Top 40 outweighing the "median" slice by a couple orders of magnitude. But I've always been too lazy to do it.

― George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 03:51 (nineteen years ago)

Some quick numbers for you from this year, George:

1-vote albums: 1229 votes -vs- Top 9 combined: 1201 votes

― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 05:27 (nineteen years ago)

Heya Glenn, I admit I was waiting for you to post.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 05:29 (nineteen years ago)

Some quick numbers for you from this year, George (try 2 to avoid escaping problems):

1-vote albums: 1229 votes -vs- Top 9 combined: 1201 votes
1- or 2-: 1753 -vs- Top 17: 1747
1- 2- 3-: 2140 -vs- Top 24: 2120
1- 2- 3- 4-: 2424 -vs- Top 31: 2403
13 or fewer: 3957 - vs- Top 100: 3872

99 and 100 got 13 votes each, so that's the split point.

― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 05:29 (nineteen years ago)

And although I'll have to rerun the numbers after the inevitable Voice data cleanup, here are the preliminary alignment ratings. If anybody is curious about other numbers, say so and I'll see what I can provide...

― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 05:33 (nineteen years ago)

Is there anyone who thinks that Josh Clover isn't the most chickenshit rock critic ever?

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 05:48 (nineteen years ago)

here are the preliminary alignment ratings

Go Tom Ewing go! And Ethan and Scott and everyone below me (though I'm pretty far down there myself).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 05:53 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks bunches, Glenn. I was off in my guess but the variance introduced by the huge number of low vote getters -- well, there's a lot of area under that curve to support an argument that the extremes and atomization are a greater mean, rather than the "winners" being a mean of something.

― George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 06:14 (nineteen years ago)

http://wwwenglish.ucdavis.edu/Faculty/clover/

Dude, you can't spell marxist w/o matrix, er marx it, er..... RACIST!!

― cw mccall, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 06:17 (nineteen years ago)

If you ever see me print my most inflammatory sentiments under a feminine and/or ethnic alias like Theresa Fyre or Cobuello, slap me. Even harder if its an 'open secret' with my peers.

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 06:23 (nineteen years ago)

HOW DARE YOU NOT APPRECIATE THE AVANT-GARDINESS OF TRANSGRESSION.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 06:24 (nineteen years ago)

xgau is ned

I ponder at this.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 06:29 (nineteen years ago)

OK to me the thing about Clover's comments is that 1) Jazze Pha repeated himself way too many times this year and my favorite beats of his are older, but that aside 2) why is hailing the 'artiste' who 'created' those songs over the (female) artists who performed them different from the rockist white dude singer songwriter thing he's against?

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 06:33 (nineteen years ago)

(Sorry someone might have said that already)

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 06:37 (nineteen years ago)

i haven't been able to take him seriously ever since he declared war on norah jones.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 06:52 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah? Who won that battle?

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 06:53 (nineteen years ago)

yeah wtf jazze pha's 2004. if he got his rich nose outta grant submissions and sasha-frere jones' blog he might know that.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 06:54 (nineteen years ago)

but hey as jarmusch/malkmus lovechilds go he's alright!

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 06:56 (nineteen years ago)

13 Amadou & Mariam

Very impressive that this squeezed in so high amongst the pop/rock consensus. I'll have to get this now.

Ashlee Simpson managed to place higher than a few albums I thought were alright:

the Dirtbombs
American Analog Set
British Sea Power
Black Lips
Troubled Hubble
Sage Francis
Mice Parade
13 & God
Field Music
Holopaw
Boom Bap Project
Sole
Flipsyde
Quasimoto
Choachwhips
Diplo

― Brian Jones (Brian Jones), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 07:09 (nineteen years ago)

that amadou and mariam is pretty poprock

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 07:11 (nineteen years ago)

the near-entirety of the 'press bitching' column makes it really hard for me not to welcome any upcoming Great Flood in the world of rockcrit. Plus I have a day job.

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 07:13 (nineteen years ago)

plus a film degree to fall back on.

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 07:14 (nineteen years ago)

i'm always amazed ppl actually read the comments. i can sorta get submitting them, 'hey, it's a free chzburger' basically, but reading them? why?

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 07:15 (nineteen years ago)

no ilxor should ask that question

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 07:16 (nineteen years ago)

Holy shit, I'm 239 in the critical alignment! Recall that in a composite score of 2000-2003, I was like 10th, right behind Tom Moon and Robert Hilburn. Either I'm losing my touch or getting much much fucking cooler or something. :-)

― Chris O., Wednesday, 1 February 2006 07:18 (nineteen years ago)

o come on nobody on ilx is trying and they're DEFINITELY trying in the pbnj comments.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 07:23 (nineteen years ago)

it's the difference between chatting with someone and laffing politely at their jokes and actually watching a standup routine by them. if pbnj comments were as good as yr usual standup comic hypothetically.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 07:24 (nineteen years ago)

lots of controversial and cutting-edge remarks and insight in those comments

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 07:28 (nineteen years ago)

man when bush reads those pnj comments he's gonna see red. he's gonna fling that voice across the room and then be like 'o shit, i forgot to read musto'.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 07:35 (nineteen years ago)

o come on nobody on ilx is trying

you don't mean that

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 07:41 (nineteen years ago)

excelsior syndrome

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 07:43 (nineteen years ago)

o come nobody on ilx is trying anymore rather

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 07:50 (nineteen years ago)

o come on ye faithful

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 07:52 (nineteen years ago)

I think I'm only low in the critical alignment lists because I didn't do an albums one.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 08:07 (nineteen years ago)

did joshua clover write that matrix book?????

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 08:09 (nineteen years ago)

what a dipshit

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 08:10 (nineteen years ago)

Tom -- you're ranked very low in the raw singles list too.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 08:13 (nineteen years ago)

I love how I get Lil Kim's kissyface in my grill every time I check to see who voted for the same albums.

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 08:30 (nineteen years ago)

I suspect the cut-out-of-longer-essays/whatnot aspect of the comments make them look worse than they are in their original contexts a lot of the time

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 08:33 (nineteen years ago)

I don't. But then I don't bother writing longer essays becuz, like, I know the format.

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 08:38 (nineteen years ago)

So what's wrong with this syllogism?
1. Pazz & Jop doesn't adequately recognise producers.
2. A disproportionate number of producers worth recognising are black.
3. Therefore, Pazz & Jop doesn't adequately recognise black people.

― bradluen (Brad), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 09:02 (nineteen years ago)

1. Pazz & Jop doesn't adequately recognize EPs.
2. A disproportionate number of EPs worth recognizing are by white people.
3. Therefore, Pazz & Jop doesn't adequately recognize white people.

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 09:07 (nineteen years ago)

or, if you like, replace EPs with 'guitarists'

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 09:09 (nineteen years ago)

Though in all these cases, the #2 is way shaky.

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 09:10 (nineteen years ago)

All the jazz that ever placed in the P&J albums list (reposted from an old P&J thread):

1971 Mahavishnu Orchestra: The Inner Mounting Flame #10
1979 Art Ensemble of Chicago: Nice Guys #29
1980 Arthur Blythe: Illusions #34
1981 James Blood Ulmer: Free Lancing #25
1982 Ronald Shannon Jackson and the Decoding Society: Mandance #38
1982 Ornette Coleman: Of Human Feelings #13
1983 James Blood Ulmer: Odyssey #20
1986 Pat Metheny/Ornette Coleman: Song X #19
1987 Ornette Coleman: In All Languages #11
1988 Ornette Coleman and Prime Time: Virgin Beauty #13
1991 Sonny Sharrock: Ask the Ages #15
1993 Cassandra Wilson: Blue Light 'Til Dawn (Blue Note) #34
1995 James Carter: The Real Quietstorm #29
1996 Cassandra Wilson: New Moon Daughter #16

Actually, this may not be all of them. Also, I'm not counting things like Olu Dara or *The Carl Stalling Project* or anything in the "reissues" category.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 09:17 (nineteen years ago)

Wrong thread, not like it makes a lick of diff.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 09:20 (nineteen years ago)

Hypothetical: If Pazz & Jop had a Producer category, wouldn't 8 of the top 10 be black?

Ignoring EPs, since maybe six people still listen to them, the guitarists point is somewhat valid, though I hardly think a critics' list of guitarists would be disproportionately white. But the thing is that guitarists are recognised, because, y'know, they're in the band, and it's the band's name that gets associated with the record. And no one cares enough about Charlie Sexton to demand a poll honouring him.

― bradluen (Brad), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 09:21 (nineteen years ago)

I associate Jazze Pha with records I hear his name said on.

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 10:01 (nineteen years ago)

'feat.' also helps

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 10:02 (nineteen years ago)

and the racial make-up of a hypothetical new ballot category should be irrelevant as to whether or not its necessary, unless the goal is to fill a quota.

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 10:07 (nineteen years ago)

if anything it seems its the inverse that is being argued: 1. there are not enough black people in Pazz'n'jop 2. an inordinate amount of celebrated producers are black 3. there should be a category for producers.

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 10:09 (nineteen years ago)

and the racial make-up of a hypothetical new ballot category should be irrelevant as to whether or not its necessary, unless the goal is to fill a quota.

I don't agree with this: it's the same argument used to shoot down affirmative action. It allows one to claim the moral high ground while ignoring that there's real damage being done (though the problem in this case may not be at the top of the NAACP's list). If you see a problem, then you take the necessary steps to fix it.

If it weren't for Clover you could read P&J and be unaware of Jazze Pha's existence. And Rich Harrison doesn't even fare that well, and he's the (OK arguable) presiding talent on the #2 single of the year.

― bradluen (Brad), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 10:35 (nineteen years ago)

who is this "you" of whom you speak!?

the jazzy phizzle is very frikin known.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

and not that y'all should care, but this is gonna be my worst critical alignment ever. it's like, my music doesn't exist!

tell me about it. for all intents and purposes, it doesn't for most mainstream music critics (or "mainstream other people" for that matter). I guess everyone has their little group of records they listen to, so I can't be mad mine isn't "theirs". It does make these polls a lot less exciting for me though.

― Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

If Phillip's faves had any kind of marketing/pr push behind them in America would that have made a difference? And is the poll still missing critics other than Phillip who write about such tecno/electronic whatever ya want to call it?

― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know how many critics in the list voted for techno, but I doubt a big marketing push would break it in America anyway. I just like reading about music that actually interests me (like everyone?), and should probably stop looking forward to this stuff. I mean, it's not like I'm reading the shit out of the Wire year end lists either.

― Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

there are plenty (well, a dozen or two) other critics covering electronic music and voting in P&J - i think part of the problem is that, at least in the US, no consensus builds up (largely due to lack of access & media coverage), so that techno votes tend to be spread out around a pretty dispersed sample of objects.

i'm not complaining, mind you; just find it interesting to be so far outside the "mainstream" or mean or whatever you wanna call it. of the top 40 albums, there are only four that i actually heard all the way through.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

Haha I don't think a 'marketing/pr push' is going to help bring back techno to the american crit mainstream, curmudgeon. Unless yr interested in seeing Moby on top again.

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

though i do think that some level of marketing has helped vitalic reach a broader, rocker audience. and i'm still flabbergasted by isolée placing so high.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

Pazz and Jop is like the lover that never reciprocates shockah.

― Je4nn3 ƒur¥ WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO VOTED FOR 50 FT. WAVE, I HATE YOU ALL (Je4nne F, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

My copy of 50 ft. wave got lost when my computer crashed in august and I forgot to include it in my top 20! Alert 'press bitching'!

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

We were all being sensitive about the hurricaine, girl.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

kristin hersh doesn't care about black people

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

Haha I don't think a 'marketing/pr push' is going to help bring back techno to the american crit mainstream, curmudgeon. Unless yr interested in seeing Moby on top again. -- deej.. (clublonel...), February 1st, 2006.

I am just guessing that if Isolee's label had been able to do more pr and sent the cd out to more American critics it might have done better in the critic community and among the folks who read such folks, not top the charts. Yea, I know Eminem's lesson--"nobody listens to techno."

I am an an afropop fan and am sure Amadou & Mariam did well (13th) in large part because of Manu Chao being on the cd, but being on Nonesuch (which likely sent out press cds) certainly did not hurt. Senegalese singer Thion Seck's Sterns release received only 6 votes(Me, Keith Harris and others). Yea, Seck's North African meets Egyptian meets Indian experiment was less pop than Amadou & Mariam (and similar a bit to the Youssou N'Dour Egypt cd from last year), but Sterns also sends out very few promos.

― curmudgeon Steve, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

There's a good mix to be made from the ones tied for 416th place:

American Analog Set Set Free
British Sea Power Open Season
Caesars, The Paper Tigers
Coheed and Cambria Good Apollo, I'm Burning Star IV, Volume One: From Fear Through the Eyes of Madness
Eluvium Talk Amongst the Trees
Jal, Emmanuel & Abdel Gadir Salim Ceasefire
Kelly, R. TP. 3: Reloaded
King Britt King Britt Presents: Sister Gertrude Morgan
Morrison, Van Magic Time
Shorter Quartet, Wayne Beyond the Sound Barrier
Ying Yang Twins U.S.A. (United State of Atlanta)
Orishas El Kilo
Jneiro Jarel Three Piece Puzzle
Massi, Souad Honeysuckle Wrasse
Johnny Pacheco Entre Amigos Bronco
Fat Freddy's Drop Based on a True Story The Drop
Ulrich Schnauss Far Away Trains Passing By
Reich, Steve You Are (Variations) & Cello Counterpoint
Coptic Light Coptic Light No Quarter
Santana, Juelz What the Game's Been Missing!
Natalia y la Forquetina Casa

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

KOGAN P&J AFFINITY LIST, 2005
Critics who voted for three or more things I voted for. (The three-way tie for first, rather than the usual obvious winner, came as a huge surprise. I even recounted the ballots to double check myself.)

THREE
Charles Aaron; Trish Bendix; Jeff Chang; Sal Cinquemani; John Cunningham; Anthony Easton; Bill Friskics-Warren; Peter Glowatsky; Kristal Hawkins; Chris Herrington; Marc Hirsch; Roy Kasten; Rob Kemp; Steve Kiviat; Joshua Klein; Josh Love; Craig Marks; David Moore; Chris Neal; Nate Patrin; Matthew Perpetua; Mark Pytlik; Julianne Shepherd; Rachel Shimp; Rob Tannenbaum; Josh Timmermann; Jonah Weiner; Rickey Wright

FOUR
--Jimmy Draper (1) Arular, (2) Robyn, (3) La La, (4) The Girl You Left Me For
--Sasha Frere-Jones (1) Arular, (2) Since U Been Gone, (3) Robyn, (4) Kerosene (single)
--Amy Phillips (1) Arular, (2) Run the Road, (3) Since U Been Gone, (4) Oh
--Sara Sherr (1) Arular, (2) Since U Been Gone, (3) Anniemal, (4) Robyn

FIVE
--Sterling Clover (1) Dangerous and Moving, (2) Since U Been Gone, (3) Anniemal, (4) Come Fly With Me, (5) Gasolina
--Chuck Eddy (1) See You Next Tuesday, (2) I Am Me, (3) Arular, (4) Story of My Life, (5) Kerosene (single)
--Jesse Fox Mayshark (1) Arular, (2) Run the Road, (3) Come Fly With Me, (4) Oh, (5) Gasolina

I only know many of you by your nom de keyboard, so I would like to ask this question. Are any of you Jimmy Draper? Are any of you Jesse Fox Mayshark? If not (or if so, even), who are these guys, and where have they been all my life? (I esp. like the Draper affinities: do-it-yourself fake dancehall, fake pop, real Ashlee, and girlpop thinly disguised as country.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

I can take credit for two of those people hearing Robyn and that rocks my world. And actually whoever from Stylus put up the .ZIP file of it can take credit for all of 'em. And where did they get their copy? Who knew to check out Robyn's Sweden-only album first?

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

Also, a shout-out to David Moore, whoever he is.

Anthony, you can take credit for my having heard Robyn (or am I one of the two people)?

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

you better believe you're one of the two people! I definitely included anybody I had to go to the post office for.

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

(Moore for Ashlee rather than Robyn, though he did vote for Robyn as well.)

So it's me and Sara.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

Btw Anthony, did you ever get the hip-hop, c&w, Partlow things I sent?

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

yes I did! Thank you.

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

i wrote a "blurb" today. my big accomplishment.

I wrote a blurb today, oh boy
About a lucky man who made the grade
And though the blurb was rather small
Well, I just had to laugh
I saw the photograph

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

Are any of you Jesse Fox Mayshark?

sometimes

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

haha

Also, a shout-out to David Moore, whoever he is.

I wanted to give a shout-out to D. Moore, too: we're the only two critics who voted for Lindsay Lohan's "First."

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

kristin hersh doesn't care about black people

Jess, you fucker, that just made me lose my shit.

― Je4nn3 Æ’urÂ¥ (Je4nne Fury), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

though i do think that some level of marketing has helped vitalic reach a broader, rocker audience. and i'm still flabbergasted by isolée placing so high.

I'm not, given by how well it placed (surprisingly?) on ILM, Stylus, and PFM polls. "Wearemonster" became the unspoken techno consensus pick of 2005, then you pool together all the P&J voters from ILM, Stylus, and PFM -- voila!

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

i personally know almost everyone who voted for the albums i voted for -> this crit-world is way too small

also, raposa and i sharing 7 out of 20 votes -> someone kill me at once (with kisses you big lug!)

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/51/Fonzie_jumps_the_shark.PNG/200px-Fonzie_jumps_the_shark.PNG

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

oops wrong thread

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

There's a good mix to be made from the ones tied for 416th place

We could do this!

From the Pacheco CD, I recommend "Celia...Reina Soberana" (and pretty much only that song, though I have't listened to the album much).

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

Alfred Soto = fetching, pithy quote hoe!

Jams, aside from some environmental Kanye I haven't heard one thing on yr ballot (ie, rockism forevah).

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

I don't have the Souad Massi CD, but the tribute to that Iraqi singer, Ilham el-Mafdi or whatever, is pretty good.

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

'environmental kanye' sounds like something they offer at a new-age resort spa

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

(Also I have the Reich and there it's pretty good.)

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

(That doesn't make sense, but somehow it still makes sense, and either way doesn't matter.)

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

my wife rode on the red-eye last night AND SAT RIGHT NEXT TO KANYE. They chatted it up for over an hour. But not about P&J.

The best part WAS WHEN HE ACTUALLY HAD TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF TO HER. Because, of course, she didn't recognize him. At least she knew what "Gold Digger" was.

― don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

Are any of you Ned Raggett?

― Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

Alfred Soto = fetching, pithy quote hoe!

See, I need this on a T-shirt.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

Are any of you Ned Raggett?

I'm pretty sure Dan Perry is.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

I guess everyone has their little group of records they listen to, so I can't be mad mine isn't "theirs". It does make these polls a lot less exciting for me though.

I don't get this. I like seeing that albums and singles I voted for placed; I like rethinking and rearguing with myself (and others) about all those others, many I haven't heard or heard closely, but which I plan to pronto.

― Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

And Christgau was OTM about that New Orleans benefit comp. Lotsa crits, myself included, let it slide, even though it's terrific.

― Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

I'll agree with you (and him) on that one.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

Frank: Jimmy Draper writes pretty regularly for the SF Bay Guardian. Check the archives there; he's covered Ashlee a few times, I think.

― Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

Favorite P&J ballot typos (probably no irony, but maybe I'm wrong); some guy named Hank Bordowitz:

I got to expose kids whose ideas of a musical good time went from Jay-D to Ashley Simpson and thought they covered the waterfront to "A Love Supreme," Laurie Anderson, John Cage, Fela and Femi, Steve Reich...

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

This is not an entirely new situation (Christgau wrote about it one of the PnJ essays in the mid-90s and the Wilco-Beck-Flaming Lips finish really made it apparent), but the extreme indie/alt bias really hurts the poll, making it less relevant and less interesting than the thing I became fascinated with as a junior-high-schooler who spotted Prince on the cover of a weird newspaper at the library back in 1988.

I know this has been a concern for a while, but I think it's worse this year than ever before. I'm all for the Poobahs doing a little gerrymandering to get a more realistic and representative mix of tastes involved.

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

yeah it does seem odd that xhuxx lets more indie rock writers vote than hip-hop or pop or country etc etc writers combined almost.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

"Relevant" - of what and to whom? The P&J poll is a terrible way to get a sense of the year in music in any way other than to get a sense of what was popular among critics. If you want to play pop anthropologist, I'd recommend checking sales and airplay statistics instead of a poll of music writers. I think the results of the P&J are interesting, but you shouldn't mistake the aggregated personal tastes of nearly 800 music critics for something "relevant" about the larger culture, though sometimes that might happen as a side-effect.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think it's about 'lets,' I think they just let anyone who wants to vote, vote, and the vast maj of them are indie rockists. They're not "NO YOU COUNTRYASSED FOOL YOU AIN"T GET A VOTE"

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

also, raposa and i sharing 7 out of 20 votes -> someone kill me at once (with kisses you big lug!)

Hey now! Buy me dinner before you give me lip!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

blount otm. this is also the first year that i've really felt the influx of bloggers/online writers.

hahahah xxpost

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

>xhuxx lets more indie rock writers vote than hip-hop or pop or country etc etc writers combined almost. <

you really have no reading comprehension whatsoever, do you? (see the other couple hundred threads where we've talked about this. jesus.)

― xhuxk, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

Just read Draper's Ashlee thing and if I decide to comment at length will do so on the teenpop thread. He's a good guy, but he's trying to have it both ways, first saying that it's fine for her to be prefab in the pop world, then praising her for effectively delivering the teenage mess on Autobiography. He's right about the album, but linking "prefab" and "pop" still seems condescending, even when meant as praise (or especially when meant as praise).

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

o come on xhuxx you've gone on time and time again about how you wish more indie types voted! "in a better world..." etc!

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

xpost again (Frank in his own little world)

Like, what's wrong with "forethought" in place of "prefab"? And when she fucks up on her own terms - which she might well have, I didn't see it and even seeing it might not reveal just what the fuckup was - one can hold her accountable.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

(Didn't see SNL, that is.)

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

I think what Chuck is saying is that pretty much anyone who asks can get a ballot.

Besides JB, whatcha gonna do, start rationing votes to achieve "genre balance"?

― don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

nobody else did either, people don't care about ashlee cuz it's boring emo

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

i mean, please provide a list of all the hip-hop and country and pop writers i haven't "let" vote. (obviously i don't *want* them to, given my eternal reputation as an indie rock booster.) xp

― xhuxk, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

it's all about pavement with you, chuck. got yer robert pollard tix yet?

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

WELL I NOTICE BENZINO AND HARRY ALLEN DIDN'T GET A BALLOT BUT ANTHONY DECURTIS AND AMY PHILLIPS DID NEED I SAY MORE WILL THE REAL RYAN SCHREIBER PLZ STAND UP PLZ STAND UP PLZ STAND UP

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

how do you know harry allen didn't get a ballot?

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

how do you know who "received a ballot"?

>you've gone on time and time again about how you wish more indie types voted! "in a better world..." etc! <

huh? where was this??

i'm WAY more selective about indie crits than ANY other crits. and james knows this, unless he's an even worse reader than he pretends to be.

― xhuxk, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think blount is saying the Voice isn't "letting in" enough non-indie/alt specialists, but that they are "letting in" TOO MANY indie specialists, which has served to drown out the voice of pretty much every one else/every other genre.

I'd imagine it's more like asking/begging non-indie/alt specialists to participate.

I think the PnJ SHOULD serve the purpose of being a useful guide to what's been good and/or interesting in pop music in a given year and should be a more useful shorthand/checklist than the Billboard charts or soundscan or Grammy nominations or whatever measure you want to cite. After all, critics (collectively, especially) are supposed to listen to tons of music from all kinds of genres and think about it and care about and thus the collective opinions of a bunch of music critics should be of interest to listeners who don't get tons of promos in the mail and want a sense of what's going on that crosses genres and formats and the ability of records to penetrate the distribution system (still mostly radio/television, I'd imagine).

Anyway, that's what the poll's been in the past (at least it was for me) and still is despite its imperfections. It just seems more imperfect now than it used to be precisely because of the avalanche of indie specialists skewing the results.

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

plus i heard on george noory last night that xhuxx converted 1/3 of the "stay fly" votes to sufjan's "blackhawk goalie in repose". it's what i heard.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

bascially, this is what we do:

>asking/begging non-indie/alt specialists to participate.<

every. fucking. year.

― xhu, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

plus that 'every slight variation in 'in the closet' makes it a different song for voting purposes' law. i heard on noory amy phillips conceived that in a bet with armand hammer - AT NUREMBURG.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

this dude knows what i'm talking about

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

Chuck, if you're going to claim you're selective about letting in indie critics, you shouldn't bring up James Blount.

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

BE COOL MICCIO

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

zing!

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

Ha, Amy Phillips told me about a month ago that she wishes stuff like Ciara's "Oh" had done much better on the PFM Top 50 Singles.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

i thought amy's "i heard a miami bass song this year" in the found sound feature was kind of precious

― james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

haha ANT OTM blount sonned in a p&j beef

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

Yah, it's time to end the hegemony of music critics with tastes that run to the Povertneck Hillbillies and M&R Rush. Saunders is so indie he's gotta go, too.

After all, critics (collectively, especially) are supposed to listen to tons of music from all kinds of genres and think about it and care about and thus the collective opinions of a bunch of music critics should be of interest to listeners

Who says? This sounds like a recipe for nothing more than a shopper. Doing a shopper is incidental a lot of the time.

Do you believe that all the critics in this poll, or any poll, or any set of lists, always write in WHAT THEIR TOP LISTENS REALLY ARE? Or do you believe that some people, not all, practice herd mentality, or tweak a ballot so they think it will look good to someone else? And how do you tell who does it, when, and who doesn't?

because of the avalanche

Stop right at avalanche. It's an avalanche of critics, of people, dealing with an even larger avalanche of released music. And the avalanche of music is growing faster than the avalanche of "critics."

Neither are precisely categorizable, although both lend themselves to all kinds of demographic discussions. It can mean anything to anyone if you stare at it long enough.

― George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

so then blount the answer is yes, throttle the "specialties" until you get the poll that you want.

― don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

Stop right at avalanche. It's an avalanche of critics, of people, dealing with an even larger avalanche of released music. And the avalanche of music is growing faster than the avalanche of "critics."

OTM.

― don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

So the total number of critics voting was, what, 795? That's roughly the same as last year. I'd be curious to know the number of dropped critics vs. adds this year. Not that that would reveal anything....

― Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

It was my first P+J and I was awful happy to be part of it.
It's still a good way to find new music.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

So basically what y'all are saying is that the ILX rock critic sample is NOT representative of the rock critic population at large? I've been trying to keep up with the wrong Joneses!

― Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:00 (nineteen years ago)

yeah you'll want the fake matador bulletin board

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think a guy who listens to a lot of music in all genres is necessarily going to create better rock writing than the guy (and gal, if she cares to) who listens to and writes about what really matters to him. But the first guy will be more likely to make some money. (Not a lot, mind you.)

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

that's the dilletante debate of 03/04.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

Keepin' Up (With The Wrong Joneses)

― Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

xp: definitely more added than dropped, but i can't give you exact numbers. deadline for ballots was a week earlier than ever this year -- between xmas and new years -- which hurt us some (we actually accepted late ballots for about a week without telling anybody), but not as much as i would have predicted. i was kind of hoping the christian-rock specialists i sent ballots to (there were a couple, but damned if i remember their names) had voted, but i don't think they did. anyway, yeah, george has the right idea -- next year, unless your ballot is all unsigned cdbaby.com bands, you're dead meat.

>if you're going to claim you're selective about letting in indie critics, you shouldn't bring up James Blount. <

believe me, iffy qualifications of certain voters have crossed my mind more than once. maybe next year i'll get ambitious about purging.

anyway, as i've said lots of times, most indie rock specialists don't identify them as such, and a pretty high percentage of indie rock votes don't come from indie rock specialists, and I don't know what somebody is going to vote for until they vote. (just checked amy phillips's ballot; didn't look too indie-rock specialized to me, but hey, what do i know?) but you guys aren't idiots; you know all this.

― xhuxk, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

i think possibly just possibly indie rock writers dork out on this more (just throwing it out there).

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

i can't believe you're still talking

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

shouldn't you be patrolling the border NARC?

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

By the way, I feel a real letdown with this year's Pazz & Jop (which may not be different from how I feel every year, and in the early '90s I remember thinking that they were just plain bad reads, though maybe I was looking at P&J through the eyes of huge alienation and resentment then). Nothing against Kanye, who's still pretty much a subject of further research for me and I've liked all his singles. But M.I.A. and/or Amerie and/or Kelly winning would have felt like something new or more interesting, a world opening up. And again, Kanye being a subject for further research, he too may well be a world opening up. But the show that the writers put on this year in P&J certainly didn't communicate a sense of it - this world, new world, the Kanye mattering (not sure what I mean; hard to describe something that isn't there). But then, the show didn't do that for Amerie or Kelly, either, and I basically think that people choke or something when they write into P&J. Probably when they write crticism day to day, for that matter.

(And honestly, the show we're putting on here in the ILX P&J threads seems sort of subdued, interrupted by occasional moments of pettiness.)

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

not only that chuck but what happens when indie rock specialists all vote for someone outside the genre (hi dere Kanye & MIA)...oh, well then we start seeing charges of tokenism on ballots. oops, gotta eliminate those too.

Meanwhile, the poll is published in the Village Voice, not the USA Today.

― don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

usa today hates kanye

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

and don i know you ain't bout to defend the coaches poll

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

Subdued = burned out on year-end lists + the P&J results look so much like all those other year-end lists.

xpost to Frank

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

the only reason Kanye doesn't seem like a "world opening up" compared to the others is that he won last year. Who could, the second time round?

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

I don't want Billboard or Scantron deciding best album honors either blount. But, like the coaches' poll, the poll might be better served by further transparency for geeks who want to bitch about Kanye winning year in and year out. By the way--is Jill Ettinger still a publicist for Lost Highway? Her ballot didn't even play homer.

― don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

I'm pretty sure Dan Perry is.

What? Um, yes. What was this about?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:37 (nineteen years ago)

I only know many of you by your nom de keyboard, so I would like to ask this question. Are any of you Jimmy Draper? Are any of you Jesse Fox Mayshark?

― Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:39 (nineteen years ago)

I like Kanye and all, but I'm sorry, ain't no way #1 album two years in a row. I know I'm supposed to hate "the internet" not paying attention to artists after their first album or whatever xgau was going on about but it just smells like standing water.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

the only reason Kanye doesn't seem like a "world opening up" compared to the others is that he won last year. Who could, the second time round?
-- Zwan (anthonyisrigh...), February 1st, 2006.

Beatles if they'd won in '66 and again in '67. I'm just sayin'.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

Or if they'd won in '64 and again in '65. Or '65 and again in '66. Not '68 and again in '69, though.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 23:15 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, anyone wanna talk about THE BEATLES???

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 23:15 (nineteen years ago)

The who?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

Guys, this is the wrong thread for that. this is the right thread.

― Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

stefan at acclaimed music has updated his stats analysis of 2005 albums.

this is the ultimate consensus list, includes 188 lists [including: metacritic, rateyourmusic.com, ILM, pitchfork, pazz & jop, amyrobots/ greg's combined list plus Henrik's Acclaimed Music ranking and many more global print mags and webzines]

NEW!!! UPDATE 1ST FEBRUARY TOP 100 ALBUMS 0F 2005 (NOW INCLUDING 188 LIST)
http://pub37.bravenet.com/forum/3172289350/show/589011

THE TOP 100 AS OF FEBRUARY 1ST :
(IN BRACKETS = ACTUAL POSITION IN HENRIK'S CHART)

1 3883 ( 1) SURFJAN STEVENS '...ILLINOISE'
2 2896 ( 3) ANTONY & JOHNSONS 'I AM A BIRD NOW'
3 2648 ( 6) BLOC PARTY 'SILENT ALARM'
4 2570 ( 2) M.I.A. 'ARULAR'
5 2358 ( 5) LCD SOUNDSYSTEM 'LCD SOUNDSYSTEM

6 2139 ( 8) BRIGHT EYES 'I'M WIDE AWAKE IT'S MORNING'
7 1968 ( 4) KANYE WEST 'LATE REGISTRATION'
8 1927 ( 7) FRANZ FERDINAND 'YOU COULD HAVE IT...'
9 1683 (13) THE WHITE STRIPES 'GET BEHIND ME SATAN'
10 1622 (15) ANIMAL COLLECTIVE 'FEEL'

11 1591 ( 9) MY MORNING JACKET 'Z'
12 1590 (14) WOLF PARADE 'APOLOGIES TO THE QUEEN MARY'
13 1463 (23) SIGUR ROS 'TAKK...'
14 1447 (10) GORILLAZ 'DEMON DAYS'
15 1406 (11) NEW PORNOGRAPHERS 'TWIN CINEMA'

16 1399 (12) SLEATER-KINNEY 'THE WOODS'
17 1377 (26) THE DECEMBERISTS 'PICARESQUE'
18 1257 (19) CLAP YOUR HANDS SAY YEAH 'CLAP YOUR...'
19 1187 (17) SPOON 'GIMME FICTION'
20 1163 (33) DEVENDRA BANHART 'CRIPPLE CROW'

21 1156 (16) ART BRUT 'BANG BANG ROCK & ROLL'
22 1153 (21) MAXIMO PARK 'A CERTAIN TRIGGER'
23 1037 (35) SYSTEM OF A DOWN 'MESMERIZE'
24 963 (20) BROKEN SOCIAL SCENE 'BROKEN SOCIAL SCENE'
25 930 (30) KAISER CHIEFS 'EMPLOYMENT'

26 929 (24) ANDREW BIRD '...PRODUCTION OF EGGS'
27 912 (32) KATE BUSH 'AERIAL'
28 899 (--) THE MARS VOLTA 'FRANCES THE MUTE'
29 884 (36) THE NATIONAL 'ALLIGATOR'
30 882 (18) COMMON 'BE'

31 847 (22) THE MAGIC NUMBERS 'THE MAGIC NUMBERS'
32 845 (--) DEATH CAB FOR CUTIE 'PLANS'
33 806 (--) COLDPLAY 'X & Y'
34 729 (28) OKKERVIL RIVER 'BLACK SHEEP BOY'
35 699 (29) THE HOLD STEADY 'SEPERATION SUNDAY'

36 662 (31) BECK 'GUERO'
37 654 (--) RUFUS WAINWRIGHT 'WANT TWO'
38 628 (27) FIONA APPLE 'EXTRAORDINARY MACHINE'
38 628 (--) ...AND YOU WILL KNOW.. 'WORLDS APART'
40 624 (25) ISOLEE 'WE ARE MONSTERS'

41 614 (--) QUEENS OF THE STONE AGE 'LULLABIES...'
42 585 (37) BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN 'DEMONS & DUST'
43 584 (--) ELBOW 'LEADERS OF THE FREE WORLD'
43 584 (--) EDITORS 'THE BACK ROOM'
45 572 (--) LOW 'THE GREAT DESTROYER'

46 531 (34) DANGER DOOM 'THE MOUSE AND THE MASK'
47 528 (--) EELS 'BLINKING LIGHTS AND...'
48 489 (--) DEERHOOF 'THE RUNNERS FOUR'
49 483 (--) STARS 'SET YOURSELF ON FIRE'
50 481 (--) MOUNTAIN GOATS 'THE SUNSET TREE'

51 480 (--) BABYSHAMBLES 'DOWN IN ALBION'
52 479 (--) BROADCAST 'TENDER BUTTONS'
53 466 (--) RICHARD HAWLEY 'YOLES CORNER'
54 459 (--) RY COODER 'CHAVEZ RIVINE'
55 456 (--) RYAN ADAMS & CARDINALS 'COLD ROSES'

56 447 (--) AMADOU & MARIAM 'DIMANCHE A BAMAKO'
57 433 (--) NINE INCH NAILS 'WITH TEETH'
58 427 (--) EDAN 'BEAUTY AND THE BEAT'
59 422 (--) ARCHITECTURE IN HELSINKI 'IN CASE...'
59 422 (--) BOARDS OF CANADA 'CAMPFIRE HEADPHASE'

61 413 (--) HARD-FI 'STARS ON CCTV'
62 391 (--) OASIS 'DON'T BELIEVE THE TRUTH'
63 382 (--) NEIL YOUNG 'PRAIRIE WIND'
64 378 (--) OPETH 'GHOST REVERIES'
65 369 (--) JOHN LEGEND 'GET LIFTED'

66 357 (--) JAMIE LIDELL 'MULTIPLY'
67 354 (--) BLACK MOUNTAIN 'BLACK MOUNTAIN'
68 351 (--) ROLLING STONES 'A BIGGER BANG'
69 350 (--) THE RAKES 'CAPTURE / RELEASE'
70 349 (--) VASHTI BUNYAN 'LOOKAFTERING'

71 345 (--) PATRICK WOLF 'WIND IN THE WIRES'
72 344 (--) VITALIC 'OK COWBOY'
73 341 (--) M83 'BEFORE THE DAWN HEALS US'
74 337 (--) DEPECHE MODE 'PLAYING THE ANGEL'
75 331 (--) JOSH ROUSE 'NASHVILLE'

76 329 (--) MADONNA 'CONFESSIONS ON THE DANCEFLOOR'
77 328 (--) COCOROSIE 'NOAH'S ARK'
78 325 (--) BONNIE 'PRINCE' BILLY 'SUPERWOLF'
79 291 (--) BRIGHT EYES 'DIGITAL ASH IN A...'
80 290 (--) THE GO-BETWEENS 'OCEANS APART'

81 288 (--) IRON & WINE / CALEXICO 'IN THE REINS'
81 288 (--) THE BOOKS 'LOST AND SAFE'
83 287 (--) LIGHTNING BOLT 'HYPERMAGIC MOUNTAIN'
84 284 (--) KONONO NO1 'COGOTRONICS'
85 280 (--) TOCOTRONIC 'PURE VERNUNFT...'

86 278 (--) PAUL MC CARTNEY 'CHAOS AND CREATION...'
87 264 (--) AKRON / FAMILY :'AKRON / FAMILY'
88 262 (--) LADYTRON 'WITCHING HOUR'
89 259 (--) MARTHA WAINWRIGHT 'MARTHA WAINWRIGHT'
89 259 (--) JOSE GONZALES 'VENEER'

91 255 (--) ROBYN 'ROBYN'
92 247 (--) DOVES 'SOME CITIES'
93 244 (--) MANDO DIAO 'HURRICANE BAR'
94 240 (--) GOLDFRAPP 'SUPERNATURE'
95 237 (--) SILVER JEWS 'TANGLEWOOD NUMBERS'

96 235 (--) NADA SURF 'THE WEIGHT IS A GIFT'
97 231 (--) BLACK REBEL MOTORCYCLE CLUB 'HOWL'
98 230 (--) BRITISH SEA POWER 'OPEN SEASON'
99 226 (--) M.WARD 'TRANSISTOR RADIO'
100 225 (--) DREDG 'CATCH WITHOUT ARMS'

HAVE BEEN INCLUDED FROM THEIR 2004 SCORES :

RUFUS WAINWRIGHT : 37 POINTS
AMADOU & MARIAM : 17 POINTS
JOHN LEGEND : 16 POINTS

THE TOP 100 OF 2004 INCLUDING ALL ALL 2005 SCORES IS
POSTED SEPERATLY.

THAT'S IT FOLKS
UNTIL LATER THIS YEAR

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

I like the idea that Kanye will be remembered a la rock bands of boomer past. I feel so young saying this. Yay 'nu-canon.' (ok i don't really think that but still its interesting to me, I've never really thought about 'now' as a part of 'then' history)

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

That's what's exciting about P&J to me, and what I was trying to explain to the Good Dr. Bill on that other board.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 23:41 (nineteen years ago)

Enjoy yourself in thirty years time via much of what has been talked about (or how it's been talked about) here...and fear.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

are people jonesing so hard for a friggin' flaming lips record that they make themselves love sufjan? it's masochism.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 23:46 (nineteen years ago)

No Yousef Shamoun, no credibility.

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

Meanwhile, this guy ...

http://www.soundaffects.net/photos/OfMontreal/ofmontreal08.jpg

... ends up with five votes, finishing in 195th place. Would have even finished much lower if I he hadn't gotten twenty-five points from me and twenty points from one other guy!

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 2 February 2006 00:08 (nineteen years ago)

robbins on Tue Jan 31, 22:48, 2006, says:
also, Mr. Xgau, who the fuck is "Congo"? They made an album called "Konono No. 1"? I know that thing's short on liner notes, but you could at least pretend to make an effort.
rate this + –
robbins on Tue Jan 31, 21:55, 2006, says:
Josh Clover's not WRONG, but when did he start sounding like Creeley circa Pieces? Did he text message his piece?
rate this + –

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 February 2006 00:19 (nineteen years ago)

That rating thing is genius.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 2 February 2006 00:22 (nineteen years ago)

Who knew to check out Robyn's Sweden-only album first?

whoever put fat matty perps onto it first? I assume my exposure isn't entirely atypical, in that "Konichiwa Bitches" on Fluxblog -> checking out a couple of other tracks on blogs (eg "Bum Like You", "Who's That Girl") -> downloading a zip of the whole album when offered (eg on an ILM YSI thread) -> buying the fucker for under A$20 w/ free shipping when a link was posted on an ILM Robyn thread.

(Okay, the actually buying it part is possibly atypical.)

― kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 2 February 2006 00:55 (nineteen years ago)

the "rate this + -" is only available for reader's comments. they should have it for the essays as well, and maybe add the ability to sort essays by score.

― dan (dan), Thursday, 2 February 2006 01:29 (nineteen years ago)

Is Fat Matty Perps my gangster name?

My thing with Robyn goes like this - I really liked her single "Do You Know What It Takes" back in 98. Someone on slsk (don't remember who exactly, but they were European) mentioned that she had a new single called "Be Mine" and I liked it and posted it. A few months later, I managed to get a copy of the full album, and I posted "Konichiwa Bitches." And then it kinda took off over the course of the next few months among critic types.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 2 February 2006 02:16 (nineteen years ago)

If you really are the first on our shores to grok this album, I tip my hat.

― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 2 February 2006 02:27 (nineteen years ago)

The first in the little ILX net cabal, even.

― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 2 February 2006 02:28 (nineteen years ago)

I was there in 2005
When Robyn first said Konichiwa

I'm losing my edge
To the bloggers, who can name every Stephen O'Malley side project, from 1986 to today.

I'm losing my edge
To the internet critics, who have heard every Peedi Peedi freestyle, B-side and tossed-off line.

But I was there
In 1996, when Dizzee Rascal got his first PlayStation
In 1998, in the Congo, watching Konono No. 1 turn a blender into a subwoofer...

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 2 February 2006 02:47 (nineteen years ago)

that is some funny shit

so ... can someone who speaks fluent p&j tell me what type of music she is throwing subliminals at down here. as in some band names. I'm drawing a blank.

>>
See, dudes, like Yoda says, there is no try, there is only do, and this squawky noise blast / nazi-porn-racism anti-music / Jim Goad drunk on Ivy League semiotics and bukkake—it's all try and no "do." And I know that that, supposedly, IS your point, but like, I mean, really—HOW IS THAT A POINT IN 2005 A.D.? It's not.

Jessica Hopper
Chicago, Illinois

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 2 February 2006 04:43 (nineteen years ago)

Never realized how much she hated Devendra.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 February 2006 04:46 (nineteen years ago)

Reminder: http://www10.cd-wow.com/detail_results.php?product_code=17673

― kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 2 February 2006 05:11 (nineteen years ago)

Xgau: "Those Jeezy and Three 6 appropriations are slammin'."

I probably will need to read more carefully to grasp Christgau's point about neoclassicism (help from any of you would be appreciated), but I'm sure that Jeezy and Three 6 can't be associated with it, whatever it is. First, those "appropriations" aren't appropriations* but part of the basic vocabulary of southern hip-hop, at this point, even if that part of the vocabulary has European rather than African antecedents. Second, "neoclassicism" doesn't mean "has ancestry that includes music that was once called 'classical'" but rather "self-consciously returns to a classic or classical style" (not that neoclassical necessarily apes the classic style, but it does use the style as reference and starting point). Crunk etc. (and the vast majority of southern hip-hop) isn't going back to the sound of 19th-20th century European classical (more accurately, romantic) music, but is rather taking intervals and chords - often ominous or eerie sounding ones - that made their way from symphonic music to the standard horror- and suspense-film soundtrack, where they live to this day.** But pulling from what's right now alive in your popular culture - movies!*** - isn't neoclassical, especially when you put the sounds into rhythmic forms where they'd never existed before.

I hate to sound like a lecturer here (esp. since I don't have the music theory vocab or knowledge to be at all precise about what I'm trying to say), but Christgau was making a reach that I can't follow. That hip-hop uses syncopation doesn't make it neoblues or neojazz; that it uses Euroromantic-derived melodies and chordings doesn't make it neoclassical. I'm not sure that Xgau meant seriously to connect hip-hop to the other "neoclassical" trends he was discerning; still, his comment seems almost random, and kind of goofy. If an actual metal or goth song had made the P&J lists, it'd almost certainly make use of Euroromantic-derived melodies and chordings, and this wouldn't make the track neoclassical; it'd make it metal or goth.

*Even if, say, Jeezy's fanfares are sampled, I don't get the logic behind calling them appropriations.

**Hip-hop is taking more than "darkness" from Euroromanticism, obviously. "Back that Azz Up" doesn't sound dark at all, but the melody is more Beethoven than blues.)

***Not to say that (1) hip-hop people never hear actual symphonic concerts or recordings (or that they never take music classes or go to music school) or (2) that classical records and concerts etc. aren't part of popular culture.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 2 February 2006 06:59 (nineteen years ago)

And as I've been noting over on the teenpop thread (thanks to Anthony's and Matt's prodding), Kelly Clarkson, number three on the P&J singles chart, has been moving gothward - though not on her charting track - as had Avril Lavigne before her. I doubt that this gothness signifies "classical" or "progressive" to its prime audience. I'm not even sure it signifies "goth." But there's a trend here in pop and rock music that goes back at least to the first Black Sabbath album, and as far as I can tell, it's metal and goth and crunk and Dirty South - the music least likely to announce itself as "classical," or "intellectual," or "upscale striving" - that leads the trend.

(Lil Wayne samples Iron Maiden in my favorite track on Tha Carter II, and I've yet to hear anyone suggest that this makes him classical. And the track doesn't seem drsatically different in feel from those that use ghostly soul samples.)

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 2 February 2006 07:36 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think I've ever heard a track that Jon Brion contributed to. If I had, I might have a better understanding of Christgau's point.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 2 February 2006 07:38 (nineteen years ago)

(Er, I don't think the soul stuff on the Lil Wayne album is sampled. My typing fingers are making me say things that I don't intend.)

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 2 February 2006 07:42 (nineteen years ago)

so ... can someone who speaks fluent p&j tell me what type of music she is throwing subliminals at down here. as in some band names. I'm drawing a blank.

aids wolf, duh.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 2 February 2006 08:57 (nineteen years ago)

AIDS Wolf has a girl in the band!

Even if she was taking down AIDS Wolf, they really made that big of an impact on her year?

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 2 February 2006 10:07 (nineteen years ago)

I remember seeing that comment on her blog so I'm guessing she grabbed stuff from there to use (like a lot of folks do)

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 2 February 2006 11:28 (nineteen years ago)

This is pretty funny.

http://music.villagevoice.com/03020106.mp3

― Chuck B, Thursday, 2 February 2006 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

"Inkeption"?

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 February 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, that's terrible.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 February 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

Nicky S is weird and hilarious.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

who dat weirdo singing the pazz n jop song?

"Mahavishnu is not a good band..they're not as good as Buck 65...he said 'Who's that?"...I said 'You'll find out later."

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

also Mahavishnu is a really fucking awesome band!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

It was the Poobah, duh!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

as far as I can tell, it's metal and goth and crunk and Dirty South - the music least likely to announce itself as "classical," or "intellectual," or "upscale striving" - that leads the trend.

I think plenty of metal announces itself as classical and/or intellectual - Yngwie? Vai? Maiden (lyrically)?

Just read Draper's Ashlee thing

What/where is this?

― Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

Even if she was taking down AIDS Wolf, they really made that big of an impact on her year?

She wrote a blog post a while back complaining about the Noize Dude scene, and AIDS Wolf was the primary target.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

oh okay, I was about to say HOPPERZ IS TOTES UNFAIR TO MOMUS

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

Nick sounds more like Todd Burns than xgau.

― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

so ... can someone who speaks fluent p&j tell me what type of music she is throwing subliminals at down here. as in some band names. I'm drawing a blank.
aids wolf, duh.

-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), February 2nd, 2006 3:57 AM.

Yeah, and probably the likes of Prurient and twodeadsluts... onegoodfuck too, all the extreme noise bands that will never finish in the top 500 of the P&J.

AIDS Wolf has a girl in the band!

-- Whiney G. Weingarten (christopher...), February 2nd, 2006 5:07 AM.

A frequently naked one at that... which probably just reinforces Hopper's distaste.

― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 2 February 2006 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

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― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 2 February 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

Ooops, I think I killed the Wolf Eyes site. Can somebody delete my last post?

― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 2 February 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/we.jpg

― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 2 February 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

omg they are drunk on semiotics and bukkake

someone stop them

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 2 February 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

Hopper's original rant:

I went to the Noise Show at the new arts-space and the memo my brain is issuing is that, officially, I am over it. It being: this whole transgressive beardo / faux-ironic/non-ironic/ ironic -- "the "mystery" of are we serious, maybe maybe not?" -- the entire scene that playfully confuses facism-chic and fashion -- is straight up wack bullshit. These bands purposefully teeter the line of "might be joking" as their aesthetic statement, so that they can, conviently dial up, and then withdraw "meaning" from "transgressive" elements. So, that, if you are offended by say, a "questionable" song about rape, or a pro-bulimia anthem or a white man in leather screaming "PALESTINE/ISRAEL/PALESTINE/ ISRAEL!" pretending all the while like it's more than a signifier, you being offended might be the point, or if you aren;t that might be the point because hey man, all they are doing is pushing controversy without context and fronting like it's actually an aesthetic statement.

But it's not. It's effete bullshit.

There is no real idea, it's totally uncommital, reactionary and puerile fakery. At best, it aims for some elusive Albini-schooled pigfuck , but, it never gets there. BECAUSE THE GUN IS NOT EVEN LOADED. It's gestures are impotent, and while the impotent gesture is supposed to be the commentary on the (supposedly) potent gesture (potent gest could be delivered by Boston or emo or Xiu Xiu or Staind) or the affectation of understood potent gesture, and the inherant offense of potent gesture as being "genuine", because music/music culture being what it is, the genuine potent gesture is actually hollow and revolting , but here is the crux -- this impotent gesture, too, is also hollow and revolting -- so how is that commentary? Is that in fact ironic, too? Does that make it post-ironic ironic irony? Where is the actual transgression taking place? OUILA -- there is no actual transgression because they are parallel things, they are both revolting and hollow fake gestures not actually commenting on anything, it's all just like, dudes miming rhetorical handjobs into infinity and beyond.

See, dudes, like Yoda says, there is no try, there is only do, and this squawky noise blast / nazi-porn-racism anti-music / Jim Goad drunk on Ivy League semiotics, Whitehouse 12's and bukkake -- it's all try and no "do" -- and I know that that, supposedly, IS your point, but like, I mean, really --HOW IS THAT A POINT IN 2005 AD? It's not.

ALSO: Is it transgressive, or is it just generational ignorance, when you ask the door guy "What does AIDS Wolf sound like?" before you lay out 5 bucks, and the merch guy-so-greasy stands on the table and yells "I can tell you this: AIDS WOLF GAVE ME AIDS! WHOOO-HOO!"? I thought "Well, his trangressive trick worked. He is trying to show how much a fuck he does not give by offending me, and it worked. I am offended by him." The band, see, they did not work because I was just annoyed and not, in fact, disgusted.

I only stayed for one band. Bloodyminded (see above) were still playing when I left. The audience was doing the nouveau-scrub tie-dye shirts/ screaming/ "we're crazy mode" with one kid with shaved in male pattern baldness sig heiling and spraying his Sparks™ everywhere and "moshing" along with a few other people portraying/mocking geniune gestures of actual excitement.

Funny thing is, the reference to Whitehouse 12"s was removed. I like how she condemns a band whose show she didn't even stick around for. Now that's journalism!

― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 2 February 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

Did anyone notice the hilarious ad for Rip It Up in the print edition facing xgau's essay? It says "Need a dose of postpunk? We've got the PiL..." and calls Reynolds a "rock critic."

― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 2 February 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

almost as dumb as joshua "jane dark" clover's and jessica hopper's comments: dylan hicks claiming that surfin' stevens writes/plays better records than van dyke parks, even the one "with that beach boy." yeah, he means smile. almost as dumb as that: the dude who, after listing all of the different musics he hears in surfboy's songs, then claims "he's doing something totally original" or shit like that. if it's totally original, it follows that you maybe couldn't pin it down to like five separate things, right?

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

haha i like dylan hick but that's pretty dumb (nowhere near quimson and clover dum though). the second comment is indefensible.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

i think dylan wasn't being entirely serious when he said that, he knows who brian wilson is. plus he had one of the best ballots in the whole poll.

the other one is, sadly, typical.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

seriously, they were rocking that style in blaine when sufjan was still a choirboy.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

I like when Rob Tannenbaum declared he was ok with not figuring out what MIA was saying under that THICK, THICK, accent because he was 'happy to understand what it feels like to be an outsider.'

― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

i think dylan wasn't being entirely serious when he said that, he knows who brian wilson is. plus he had one of the best ballots in the whole poll.

sure, that chuck eddy edits out winky emoticons.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

I like when Rob Tannenbaum declared he was ok with not figuring out what MIA was saying under that THICK, THICK, accent because he was 'happy to understand what it feels like to be an outsider.'

hahaha yeah that was hilarious too. is that the same one that claims "arular" as a "great british pop album." ASSIMILATE OR DIE, dude.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

haha we should flood simon reynolds inbox with emails of that comment

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

Someone should ask the kids in Lost Boys Of Sudan if they understand what it feels like to be a rock critic listening to MIA.

― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

I actually assumed Simon planted that comment himself under a fake name to prove a point.

― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

Rob Tannenbaum is that guy on VH1 who says that some starlet recently became single and then holds up a piece of cardboard with his number on it and murmurs "call me." He is not Simon in disguise.

Full disclosure: he also gave me some assignments for blender a couple years ago. Simon wouldn't do that.

― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

He would if he was trying to build up credibility for his alias.

― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:53 (nineteen years ago)

I don't have cable, though.

― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

no simon, no credibility.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

"Dear Rob Tannenbaum: Are you Simon Reynolds' rockist golem? Check one: _ Yes _ No"

― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

unless Simon is on some Keyzer Soze shit...

― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno, he looks kinda like he's made of mud and animated via Kabballah.

(Do I need to start using emoticons here 'toine?)

― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

dude, I just appreciated the excuse to post that link.

― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

yes, because Smile is sacrosanct and untouchable, god forbid anyone not worship it

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

Fair enough.

― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

(xpost)

― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

yes, because Smile is sacrosanct and untouchable, god forbid anyone not worship it

no, it's not because of that. it's because "song cycle" is untouchable, dude.

where'd smile rank last year anyway?

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

#2.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:29 (nineteen years ago)

Smile > Illinois > Song Cycle

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:30 (nineteen years ago)

no, it's not because of that. it's because "song cycle" is untouchable, dude.

well, of course. (you forgot to say "gotcha!" at the end, there, hstencil.)

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

a frames should have finished much higher. there. i'm done bitching.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

i ain't no brian wilson hanger-on smile worshipper (tho like any reasonable person i like some stuff he did - "i'm havin' lunch with cameron diaz," not so much), and it's not like i think surfin' is even the worst shit in the world (he ain't, but he ain't all that either), but, like, ya know.

Smile > Illinois > Song Cycle = math is hard! (haha just kiddin')

holy shit "the attic" just came on.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:36 (nineteen years ago)

Matos, man, I feel that you and I have bonded so much since the Smile incident! So much! And yet, I must say, that Smile is, in fact, after all, a teenage symphony to God!

Just sayin'!

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:50 (nineteen years ago)

And I like Song Cycle, too!

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:12 (nineteen years ago)

The B. Coming > Smile > Illinois > Song Cycle

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

winky

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:16 (nineteen years ago)

xpost ta jaymc - yeah but you're still wrong, dude.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:16 (nineteen years ago)

Gimme Fiction > The B. Coming (and I haven't even heard the B. Coming, because I hate rap.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:18 (nineteen years ago)

winky

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:18 (nineteen years ago)

no emoticon here, bro.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:19 (nineteen years ago)

jaymc - OffTM

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:22 (nineteen years ago)

Drake, you're on too many message boards with me.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:23 (nineteen years ago)

One thing that I miss on the new version of SMiLE: Mike Love singing, "Over and over, the crow cries uncover the cornfield" etc. Such a crucial moment.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

tim otm!!!

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 3 February 2006 01:14 (nineteen years ago)

"quimson and clover" omg!!!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 3 February 2006 06:19 (nineteen years ago)

Rick, you're right about Yngwie et al., of course; my stupid. (I mean, I even own a Great Kat CD.) I should have added "or when they do point to the classicality incessantly, no one outside metal even notices."

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 3 February 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

I'd just like to say that occasionally lists like this can serve a purpose. To wit, because I saw that Jody Rosen had made the surprising choice of Brazilian Girls as his number one album, an album I read exactly nothing about this year in any music publication, and because he is a critic whose writing I have admired, I sought out a few samples from the album, ended up buying it, and am enjoying it immensely. So thanks, Jody Rosen!

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

jaymc, you're in too many cities with me. I recommend you move. Chicago ain't big enough for the both etc

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

Actually there was a passably informative review of the album in the Voice that I missed:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0511,wood1,62093,22.html

This does a pretty good job of describing why the music is so much fun to listen to, but it goes haywire at the end when Woods gets all het up about white people daring to play world fusion music without being explicitly political - or something.

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

Just thinking about x-gau's comments...

I just checked Metacritic, and there is no listing for Our New Orleans. Make it your business to get it up there. Even in these low-promo times, Melissa Cusick at Nonesuch will probably hook you up.

Duder, it's for charity! Everyone should BUY the fucking record, not try to glom one from Nonesuch!

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

i'm stunned by the utter lack of discussion P&J's spawned this year -- i think we're still recovering from the burnout of the 2004 aftermath.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

that is thee author steve erickson with run the road at #1 right?

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

not thee author, a diff't s. erickson

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 23 February 2006 00:41 (nineteen years ago)

the film critic presumably yeah?

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 23 February 2006 02:33 (nineteen years ago)

the film critic is the author. the rock critic is not the author.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 23 February 2006 02:36 (nineteen years ago)

i think you may be mistaken!

the author is the occasional political journalist i believe. scott erickson is the former twins pitcher. leif erickson 'discovered' north america, briefly wrote for the east village other.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 23 February 2006 02:44 (nineteen years ago)

I am mistaken but not totally. The novelist is the film critic for Los Angeles magazine and I was thinking the guy w/the website you posted just did music.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 23 February 2006 02:53 (nineteen years ago)

tsk! i suppose this means i cannot say arc d'explicit as planned.

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Thursday, 23 February 2006 03:33 (nineteen years ago)

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