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Jessica Hopper had this to say:

"I went to the Noise Show at the new arts-space and the memo my brain is issuing is that, officially, I am over it. It being: this whole transgressive beardo / faux-ironic/non-ironic/ ironic -- "the "mystery" of are we serious, maybe maybe not?" -- the entire scene that playfully confuses facism-chic and fashion -- is straight up wack bullshit. These bands purposefully teeter the line of "might be joking" as their aesthetic statement, so that they can, conviently dial up, and then withdraw "meaning" from "transgressive" elements. So, that, if you are offended by say, a "questionable" song about rape, or a pro-bulimia anthem or a white man in leather screaming "PALESTINE/ISRAEL/PALESTINE/ ISRAEL!" pretending all the while like it's more than a signifier, you being offended might be the point, or if you aren;t that might be the point because hey man, all they are doing is pushing controversy without context and fronting like it's actually an aesthetic statement.

But it's not. It's effete bullshit.

There is no real idea, it's totally uncommital, reactionary and puerile fakery. At best, it aims for some elusive Albini-schooled pigfuck , but, it never gets there. BECAUSE THE GUN IS NOT EVEN LOADED. It's gestures are impotent, and while the impotent gesture is supposed to be the commentary on the (supposedly) potent gesture (potent gest could be delivered by Boston or emo or Xiu Xiu or Staind) or the affectation of understood potent gesture, and the inherant offense of potent gesture as being "genuine", because music/music culture being what it is, the genuine potent gesture is actually hollow and revolting , but here is the crux -- this impotent gesture, too, is also hollow and revolting -- so how is that commentary? Is that in fact ironic, too? Does that make it post-ironic ironic irony? Where is the actual transgression taking place? OUILA -- there is no actual transgression because they are parallel things, they are both revolting and hollow fake gestures not actually commenting on anything, it's all just like, dudes miming rhetorical handjobs into infinity and beyond.

See, dudes, like Yoda says, there is no try, there is only do, and this squawky noise blast / nazi-porn-racism anti-music / Jim Goad drunk on Ivy League semiotics, Whitehouse 12's and bukkake -- it's all try and no "do" -- and I know that that, supposedly, IS your point, but like, I mean, really --HOW IS THAT A POINT IN 2005 AD? It's not.

ALSO: Is it transgressive, or is it just generational ignorance, when you ask the door guy "What does AIDS Wolf sound like?" before you lay out 5 bucks, and the merch guy-so-greasy stands on the table and yells "I can tell you this: AIDS WOLF GAVE ME AIDS! WHOOO-HOO!"? I thought "Well, his trangressive trick worked. He is trying to show how much a fuck he does not give by offending me, and it worked. I am offended by him." The band, see, they did not work because I was just annoyed and not, in fact, disgusted.

I only stayed for one band. Bloodyminded (see above) were still playing when I left. The audience was doing the nouveau-scrub tie-dye shirts/ screaming/ "we're crazy mode" with one kid with shaved in male pattern baldness sig heiling and spraying his Sparks™ everywhere and "moshing" along with a few other people portraying/mocking geniune gestures of actual excitement.

To me it seemed AIDS Wolf were just another drop in the naughtynoise provoke-the-converted cumbucket (I just got an album in a DVD case, draped in a page ripped from a p0rn... the band Twodeadsluts Onegoodfuck).

But then AIDS Wolf hit No. 65 on college radio this week! Should a line be drawn between hyperbolically offensive Mentors schtick that may have point (they DO put the final nail in the whole Wolf band coffin) and MySpace spazzos that live and die by "LOLocaust" jokes?

Should Hopper just lighten up? Or should we take down AW because they are might be a joke band (their day job is Seripop)? Or should we like Aids Wolf MORE because might be a joke band?

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

tears before morning

james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

jessica hopper on noize

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

I'M SURPRISED NO ONE COMMENTED ON THIS PREVIOUSLY

gear (gear), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, AIDS.

Lock thread, plz.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

Should Hopper just lighten up? Or should we take down AW because they are might be a joke band (their day job is Seripop)? Or should we like Aids Wolf MORE because might be a joke band?

Yeah, AIDS in all its forms, possible flavors and usages is one of the biggest rib-ticklers of all time, no doubt about it.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

i didnt think aids wolf were a real band actually

james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

what you mean "we," paleface?

senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

c'mon chris, i'm bored today. make this one a clusterfuck.

james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

I really was just wondering what people thought of them as a band, and was Hopp's blogicle as a starting point.

I would have typed "AIDS" into the search function on the Noise Board, but I would have imagined that I would have an insane amount of results.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

"and was using Hopp's blogicle"

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

AIDS Wolf is just drunk on bukkake - as soon as they sober up they won't be nearly so whatever it is that is the problem.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

T/S: Chloe Lum vs. Jessica Hopper

http://billtmiller.com/greatscott/gs_aug7_btm_5424.jpg

http://www.omguide.com/images/Concert_MotionCitySoundtrack/Challenger2.jpg

Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

must... not... post... to... thread...

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

Black Kid: Seen the new Playboy, man?
Spicolli: Good?
Black Kid: Oh, there's TITS.

senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

oh c'mon, slocki, help a brother out

james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

my band played w/ AIDS Wolf and I thought they were good, very Arab On Radar-y/Skin Graft sounding, which I liked. They struck me as being much nore "noise-rock" then "noise". I couldn't hear the specific lyrics to any of the songs, but I didn't get the impression they were any type of Mentors-y schtick/offensive band. I only talked to a couple memebrs of the band briefly, but the seemed very genuine about what they were doing and were very nice. That blog seems to be hung up on the name AIDS Wolf and that the person at the merch booth said "AIDS Wolf gave me Aids", which I agree is dumb, but I don't think it would offend me.

chris besinger (chris besinger), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

TITS Wolf

senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

I'm pulling out my Montreal card and refraining, too, but I really think Slutsky should post on this...

Jay Watts III (jaywatts), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

must... not... post... to... thread...

Wait, they're from MTL, aren't they?

(xpost guess so)

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

trying to offend people is boring.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

who do i talk to about getting a Montreal card?

sean gramophone (Sean M), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

You missed the meeting?

Jay Watts III (jaywatts), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

Trying to offend people is boring.

Hopper's chatty ArtForum writing style is... exhaaaaaaaaausting.

Jay Watts III (jaywatts), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

that too.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

AIDS Wolf is a pretty funny name.

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

There's a NYC band called Child Abuse, that seems more actually offensive.

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UtUpPDuMfk

senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

what's the point? Every conceivable offensive bandname/song name/subject matter has already been trotted out at some point or another - either by black metal or "pigfuck" bands or whatever. I mean, who are they trying to piss off, and why do they even care?

(confession: I've never heard a note of AIDS Wolf music)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

I've always been a big fan of Necrocock meself.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

AIDS Victim wouldn't be funny. AIDS Wolf is funny.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

i picture it as a werewolf that gives people aids

james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.sillyjokes.co.uk/images/dress-up/beards/werewolf-patches.jpg

james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

But then AIDS Wolf hit No. 65 on college radio this week!

c'mon kenneth lay, i mean weingarten. everybody knows that shit's rigged.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

"65??? those fucker's check hasn't even cleared yet!"

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

have any of you bros heard aids wolf labelmates genghis tron?

roberton, Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

that is totally offensive to mongols, brody.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

judge for yurself peanut gallerists
http://www.myspace.com/aidswolf

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

i don't know them as people, but onstage they are the usual boring wanna-be bad bratty noiseniks. i get the impression a lot of mtl people suck up to them because they run a silkscreen company that lots of people like. they make nice posters.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

i wood sukk up to people who make nice posters if i was in a band

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, that's what i'm saying. they make really nice posters.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:00 (nineteen years ago)

you're not in a band?

senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

I picture them as members of Wolf Eyes and Wolf Parade but all sallow and skinny and playing with IVs in their arms. Some of them are in beds and lapse into comas during the set.

Oh OK that is pretty offensive.

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

nope. and not in mtl. and i don't know them. so whatevs.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

1. They really do make incredible posters.

2. There's a band in San Francisco called Child Pornography. I would not want to google them.

3. I'll be at the Child Abuse show tommorrow (Fri) @ Asterisk if anyone wants to hang out.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

i realise this makes me sound like a non-noise listening doofus, but i am one.

still - isn't the thing with most noise music that it's pretty interchangeable? i mean even more so than most other genres. and that given the interchangeability of the -sound-, a lot rests on a) the fun-ness of the live show, and b) the band's image/gimmick?

so the fact that the album's pretty mediocre ends up meaning a lot less than whether they're a good time, playing live, and whether their particular aesthetic ("sexy"! slightly offensive! arty! naked in a wood!) appeals to you.


(and Seripop's posters are fucking great)

sean gramophone (Sean M), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think they are a noise band.

senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

I'm with you. They are definitely more art project than band, but I think the art project is mighty fun, even though their attempts at "shocking" stunts are C-level at best

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.exclaim.ca/images/point_AIDS_wolf.jpg
naked in a wood is underrated

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

nnck naked in a crick is better.

still - isn't the thing with most noise music that it's pretty interchangeable? i mean even more so than most other genres. and that given the interchangeability of the -sound-, a lot rests on a) the fun-ness of the live show, and b) the band's image/gimmick?

no, and no.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

naked people looking very uncomfortable in the woods

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

http://myspace-563.vo.llnwd.net/00134/36/56/134476563_l.jpg

they're naked in the woods, they have a didgeridoo...

EVERYBODY CALM DOWN - FALSE ALARM - IT IS JUST HIPPIES

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

moderate safe search on at work - no "ken's at electric lake" gatefold for you!

(unless senseiDancer delivers the goods)

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

EVERYBODY CALM DOWN - FALSE ALARM - IT IS JUST HIPPIES
hugely on the money

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

hstencil - ok maybe "noise" isn't the right genre name, given the breadth of acts it could include. (Arab on Radar don't sound like SunnO)))) But maybe, like, artcore? uh, i dunno. whatever genre AIDS wolf play?


i'm not sure if this is a joke or what... cbc is aparentlly disscussing banning AIDS wolf from thier airwaves as our name is too offensive for the canadian sensibility.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.gigposters.com/posters/53253.jpg

Now why would you say these people are hippies?

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:27 (nineteen years ago)

arab on radar = not noise
sunn0)) = not noise
most stuff = not noise, except the stuff that is noise

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

x-post
I find it interesting all the people wringing their hands over a band they have not heard. Like I said I like their music, but I can't imagine being "offended" by them

AIDS Wolf also not "noise"

chris besinger (chris besinger), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

believe me I am not offended. I was just commenting on Hopper's piece.

I could care less about genre specifics.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

http://myspace-594.vo.llnwd.net/00368/49/57/368657594_l.jpg

this i find rather awesome

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

wolf eyes = not noise
noise = not noise

nothing is noise. except for like the first elvis presley singles before he sold out and started combing his hair.

In the city of the damned, Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

no, elvis is "race music."

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

i thought "chariots of fire" was race music.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

only once every four years.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

doesn't an African win every year?

senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

not in the winter olympics.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 February 2006 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

http://okladki-divx.neostrada.pl/covers/c/cool_runnings.jpg

Ali G (Eppy), Thursday, 9 February 2006 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

I was this close to posting that same image. I declined b/c I figured Hstencil would make some pedantic comment about how Jamaica != Africa.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 9 February 2006 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

n/p

ThePostingName (Eppy), Thursday, 9 February 2006 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

There is a land far, far away
Where's there's no night
There's only day

senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 9 February 2006 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

JAYMaiCa

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 February 2006 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

Wait til JH hears about Abortion Bucket.

People my age trying to get shocked are kind of quaint.

Abu Hamster (noodle vague), Thursday, 9 February 2006 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

forget Abortion Bucket, the only shocking name to her would be Grant Application Denied.

ziti sanskrit (sanskrit), Thursday, 9 February 2006 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

booooyaaaaaa!

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 9 February 2006 23:50 (nineteen years ago)

I don't understand the brouhaha over the AIDS Wolf name. Then again, I was in a band called Cancer Clown so maybe I'm not the best one to judge.

Hopper seems to be saying:
1) I'm offended
2) These bands suck
3) If these bands didn't suck it would justify the offensiveness (e.g. Albini's gun was loaded so apparently he's OK)

Aside from that morally questionable stance (and Hopper is making a moral argument here), I have a hard time reading this as an AIDS Wolf "takedown" since she didn't even stick around to hear the band. Taken at face value, all her rant tells me is that Bloodyminded may not be very compelling live and AIDS Wolf has an immature merch guy. Um, so what?

It seems short-sighted and narrow-minded to besmirch a varied and variegated noise scene that arguably includes the likes of AIDS Wolf, Prurient, Lightning Bolt, Wolf Eyes, Zeena Parkins, Ikue Mori, Can't/Jessica Rylan, Business Lady, Sightings, The Bunnybrains, No Neck Blues Band, Merzbow, Borbetomagus, Sunn 0))), The Magik Markers, To Live And Shave In LA, Landed, and Sonic Youth.

I'll leave it to someone else to subdivide these bands into their micro-genres, but they frequently play shows with each other, move in the same circles, have overlapping fanbases. Some engage in sub-Whitehouse outrage-baiting tactics, some don't. Painting all "noise bands" with the same broad brush is A PRETTY POINTLESS EXERCISE IN 2005 AD. Always has been.

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

Apparently none of those people are noise though.

Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

pls desist with wolf band names. thx

Good Dog (Good Dog), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

Uh, the guy at the merch booth saying "AIDS Wolf gave me Aids!" isn't offensive? What sort of things do people find offensive, then?

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

maybe aids wolf gave him aids or something

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

Uh, the guy at the merch booth saying "AIDS Wolf gave me Aids!" isn't offensive? What sort of things do people find offensive, then?
-- Mark (r-...), February 10th, 2006 12:41 PM.

More stupid and tactless than offensive. Sarah Silverman's act is more offensive. Plus, what does the random spoutings of a guy at a merch booth have to do with anything?

And now I'm offended that you're offended. Offensensitivity.

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

Edward she didn't say it would be "ok" if the gun was loaded, she said it would be "saying something" whereas these acts are all shock without framing or context and are really 'about nothing.' She wasn't giving Albini a pass.

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

So, was Albini "saying something?"

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

they should change their name to a picture of muhammed and tour syria. calling yourself AIDS Wolf and playing for a bunch of kids who have been reading Vice since they were 10 isn't that impressive.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

Why does music always have to say something? That's why I like noise!

Instead of performing some socio-feminist-global-policital vivisection of an M.I.A. song, I can just turn off my fucking brain and watch Hair Police ruin an amp.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

xpost: It was all about the rape, man.

js (honestengine), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

It took much longer for someone to bring up Vice in this thread than I thought it would! Maybe their status as a hipsters-you-don't-like signifier is waning.

Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

AIDS Wolf may rule or suck, don't know or particularly care, but is the name offensive just 'cause it has the word "AIDS" in it? 'cause that's not really a good reason to be offended, I don't think

dude @ merch booth, OK, it's juvenile but not much more offensive than, say, anything else in the world

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

"they should change their name to a picture of muhammed and tour syria."

haha - exactly. Go be offensive where it matters.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

otm whinegardenpizzahut;;"Why does music always have to say something? That's why I like noise!
Instead of performing some socio-feminist-global-policital vivisection of an M.I.A. song, I can just turn off my fucking brain and watch Hair Police ruin an amp.
"

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

i didn't say i don't like vice, my point is just that it's been around for over a decade now and "kids" ain't that easy to shock anymore.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

Even better!

But...um, because of Vice they're hard to shock?

Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

Words are never offensive, is what we're saying.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

Edward,
I dont know if I agree with her about it or not but by her argument, Albini's 'shock' had some framing or context and AIDS Wolf's does not. She is questioning their effectiveness as shock artists, which is from her interpretation what they front as being.

I dont know these dudes or Hopper or care about either of them really, but it seemed like you were misrepresenting what she said.

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

words are sometimes offensive, sure, but "AIDS Wolf gave me AIDS" (while stupid) strikes me as less offensive than 75% of the stuff on "South Park," no? (which is also often stupid)

altho it kind of comes full circle to Hopper's argument -- if it's not offensive, what's the point.

Renard (Renard), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe I'm way off here, but my take is that Albini's shtick was as puerile in its will-to-shock as AIDS Wolf or Wolf Eyes. Big Black just had better songs and rocked harder, so that was the "context" in which people who would have otherwise written them off enjoyed them. This is the "you get points as long as you're rocking!" school of thought. Never mind that Albini named his band Rapeman, put graphic autopsy photos on album covers, or advocated Pure magazine which printed child pornography.

Which leads me to believe that AIDS Wolf / Wolf Eyes shticks are more crimes against music than against sensibilities. Their perceived inability to create strong music accentuates their offensiveness ("that's all there is").

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

Mark - I think it's that people here aren't (generally) offended, which seems to eat into the idea that something can be just officially "offensive".

sean gramophone (Sean M), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

One man's offensive is another man's NWA.

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

Oops, I used "man" instead of "person." That was offensive.

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

the noise scene doesn't offend anybody. Show me one article anywhere expressing genuine moral outrage at any of this stuff (someone plz link that jokey "save your children from noise!" site)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

no i'm not saying people are hard to offend because of vice, just using vice as a barometer of the general acceptance of toying with loaded words for a long time. yeesh, what's your problem?

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

the noise scene doesn't offend anybody. Show me one article anywhere expressing genuine moral outrage at any of this stuff (someone plz link that jokey "save your children from noise!" site)
-- Shakey Mo Collier (audiobo...), February 10th, 2006 1:36 PM.

http://tiny.abstractdynamics.org/archives/006237.html

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

I think yr misreading Hopper if you think she's expressing moral outrage rather than aesthetic boredom.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

LET'S DO THIS THING

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/totalcoward/AIDSWolf.jpg

shoulda logged out (sanskrit), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

Shakey otm

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

haha!

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

too soon, too soon.

ziti sanskrit (sanskrit), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

I think yr misreading Hopper if you think she's expressing moral outrage rather than aesthetic boredom.
-- Shakey Mo Collier (audiobo...), February 10th, 2006 1:44 PM.

Isn't she doing both?

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

NO. "The band, see, they did not work because I was just annoyed and not, in fact, disgusted."

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

Dear Jessica,

Sorry that you had to stumble across this on a cursory google or a link someone forwarded. I'm sorry for this:

http://www.joebrower.com/PHILE_PILE/PIX/FR/can_of_worms.jpg

Your pal,
Christopher

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

Why would something ostensibly "offensive" annoy you if you weren't offended? Doesn't being offended have some basis in moral outrage? I think Hopper's pretty explicit that she's bored aesthetically *and* offended by her experience at the Noise Show. She says, "I am offended by him."

It's funny you quoted, "The band, see, they did not work because I was just annoyed and not, in fact, disgusted." That's the weakest point of the entire piece - she didn't even SEE THE BAND. If she was so concerned about the aesthetics of the band, wouldn't she want to spend some time, um, actually analyzing their music?

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

I give up - it seems like you want to deliberately misinterpret her. why, I'm not entirely sure. Hopper's clearly not some straight-edge moralist who's appalled by the ostensible "subject matter", she doesn't want this music banned for harming the minds of innocents or anything like that - in fact, she criticizes it precisely for not being capable eliciting that very reaction from more conservative segments of society.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

I mean did all that scare-quoted stuff about how empty their gestures are just go over your head?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

"Dear Jessica, Sorry ..."

ha ha ha, oh plz dude, 110 posts yakking about something you blogged last august is the sincerest form of flattery

Renard (Renard), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

she doesn't want this music banned for harming the minds of innocents or anything like that - in fact, she criticizes it precisely for not being capable eliciting that very reaction from more conservative segments of society.

I only stayed for one band. Bloodyminded (see above) were still playing when I left.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

I think its pretty clear that she didn't stay cuz she was just bored and annoyed, not because she was SHOCKED and APPALLED at the HORRIBLE DEPTHS TO WHICH OUR MORAL FABRIC HAS DETERIORATED.

but go ahead and keep pretending this noise stuff is really pushing people's buttons maaaaaaaan

(and I say this as someone who enjoys a fair bit of it!)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

And now I'm offended that you're offended. Offensensitivity.

I call the bloom county bite!!!

If you take your aesthetics seriously then aesthetic boredom can easily cause moral outrage ------

but then again someone insisting that they've been bored when they've actually been disturbed is a pretty common gambit -----

reacher, Friday, 10 February 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

reacher OTM x 3. The bored/disturbed gambit goes like: "I have a sense of what is decent, proper, socially acceptable behavior. When someone violates those standards, I am offended. When someone purposely violates those standards I feel like they are trying to gain control over my emotions, so I resist/deny my feelings of being offended."

But one can be offended without thinking something should be banned - e.g. "defend the speech I find indefensible."

And there are many ways to feel about an offensive band.
1) AIDS Wolf offends me, but I find value in their music.
2) AIDS Wolf doesn't offend me, and I find value in their music.
3) AIDS Wolf offends me, and I find no value in their music.
4) AIDS Wolf doesn't offend me, and I find no value in their music.

I'm still not sure which category Hopper falls in. Maybe I'm projecting, but I sense disgust dripping from her write-up, and I'm not sure if it's exclusively based in "I don't like their music."

Shakey, sorry you feel like giving up. I think this is an interesting discussion.

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 10 February 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

I am rill glad someone forwarded me this link. Scintillating. To get down with some clarification get down: I left because Bloodyminded toy with qua fascist imagery (which is at the very least played in 05), and second, they were singing a song about bulimia, mocking bulimics, and some women I love very much struggle bitterly with the disease, and while some tie-dyed turd jumped around straying me and others by mock-moshing with an open can of Sparks in hand, I was just wondering if i really wanted to give these people my five dollars. I did not.

I think sometimes irony can be powerful, when irony is multi-valent. I feel like the irony of Aids Wolf and some noiseniks (Bloodyminded is by no means new school, then been around since back when Vandermark was still just some dude in Weasel Walters band, so I cannot typify, or broad brush it, as I am wont) -- is not multivalent. I feel like it is flat. I feel like it is a direct responce to emo, and I think bands that might otherwise be good come off as effete freshman art schoolers toying with the idea that nothing is shocking. I do not need everything to be DEEP META TEXTUAL STATEMENTS ON FEMINISM for me to like it. I grew up in the noise scene, my first job was working in the mailroom at Amphetamine Reptile in 1992, and granted, "noise" was different then, but I was exposed to a lot of new musics, experimental and faux-fascist, that was more "interesting" or successfully offensive, like... I forget his name, but the funnabe nazi dude that married Lisa Suckdog? Perhaps that makes me old and traditonal. Perhaps it's just a mark of new punks rejecting old punks moral center, or the evolution of such is whole-handed rejection. Like most punx my age, I learned right and wrong from imbued in the white-shame of Fugazi and the didacts in Olympia--political correctness is what I came up steeped in, so that is still my lens, even though such seems wholly inaapropriate in 2006. But, what is music if you do not take it personal.

I know it's like, against the law to post this long or this earnestly on these boards, but just thought I would clarify and then you can beef out, or whatever it is.

Word,
JH

Jessica Hopper, Friday, 10 February 2006 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

what's an open can of Sparks?

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 10 February 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

Word.

ziti sanskrit (sanskrit), Friday, 10 February 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

okay I guess she was offended. I take it all back.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 February 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

but shaved in male pattern baldness does sound like a hell of an idea.

ziti sanskrit (sanskrit), Friday, 10 February 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

BEEF OUT is my new favorite phrase.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 February 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

Might be interesting to compare the exploits of AIDS Wolf and co. with the old concert stories being related here. Certainly not a lot of possible feces or targeted fire breathing going on AFAIKT.

Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 10 February 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

but shaved in male pattern baldness does sound like a hell of an idea.

fucking tourists.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 10 February 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

Reid Fleming, World's Toughest Milkman (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 February 2006 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

but the funnabe nazi dude that married Lisa Suckdog?

That would be Costes. And yeah, he has more creative vision in his pinky than Wolf Eyes have in their combined bodies. But you seem to attack the entire proposition of making extreme/offensive art when it sounds like you just had a bad night out on the town. Who knows, the AIDS Wolf performance might have transcended their stupid name and immature merch guy had you stuck around for it. Sorry to keep harping on that point, but it makes you seem like the people who say, "I don't have to see Brokeback Mountain to know I won't like it."

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

edward III otm.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

>but the funnabe nazi dude that married Lisa Suckdog?

Actually, this might also be a reference to Boyd Rice.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

yeah french dudes that play with their scat aren't usually nazis.

i actually don't need to see "brokeback mountain" to know i won't like it, tho.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

still pissed about the hulk movie?

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

well yeah, our van got towed while watching that piece of shit during an off-day on tour.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

fucking winnipeg, man.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

My bad, Suckdog's been married too many times...

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

what if I don't want to see Brokeback Mountain because it looks horribly boring and I don't like Ang Lee and gay cowboys are not all that exotic to me? Am I just covering up my offendedness?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

yes, and keep your jackboots on

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

gay cowboys are not all that exotic to me

Beef out, indeed!

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

I kept thinking "Byron Coley" but I *knew* that was not right. Yes, Boyd Rice. I do not think she ever married Costes. A Noise nazi from Denver and a hapless pedophile from France are totes different.

jessica Hopper, Friday, 10 February 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

"totes" as anything other than a verb is offensive to me.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

Jean-Louis Costes and i married at Philadelphia city hall in 1988; i was 19, he was 34. It was a funny wedding. I forgot to take my work apron off for it. when i laughed at Jean-Louis for passing out when they drew his blood (to make sure we were not brother and sister?), he threatened to call the whole thing off. He could not say the words right, his nervousness finishing off what small bit of skill he had back then in pronoucing english, and i laughed so uncontrollably (nerves) i could not say mine. The justice of the peace was incensed : she accused us of making a mockery of the ceremony. Jean-Louis then got so mad and flusterd his fingers swelled up like balloons, the ring would not fit on, and it fell to the tile floor with what seemed like a very loud "ping". And in fact, he never got the green card which was half the reason we got married.

- Lisa Carver, Rollerderby

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 10 February 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

But we agree that she never married Byron Coley.

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 10 February 2006 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

Enough. AIDS Wolf is a bad DNA rip off, half the bands that get "underground big" like this die out in a year and the members go on to teach art classes at some midwestern high school.

Stop comparing wolf eyes to Aids wolf. The use of "wolf" in the name does not automatically make them similar groups.

Noise isn't about anything, it's a lack of a message, it is the abandonment of preconceived notions of music, that is why it has the draw it does. Personally I prefer noise's non-message over the contrived punk-politics that I have spit into my ear by every sad mid-20s activist with a leather jacket and a dead kennedy's patch when I go to a god damned rock and roll show.

abugharib, Saturday, 11 February 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

i'm glad college kids have their own ICP/juggalo corollary subculture

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 11 February 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

I said this back in September when we talked about this shit on the noise board, sorry to be redundant but I'm still on the soapbox on this one . . .

RE: calling your band AIDS wolf.

Hmmm. There was a humor zine for people with AIDS called "Diseased Pariah News" that was pretty amazing. It's not as if you can't combine comedy with fucked up devastating illness, I guess the question is, who is making the joke and for whom? If the members of AIDS wolf are HIV positive, then fair enough, it's their party. If they're not, it's a different gesture. If AIDS is just another signifier of "heaviness" among the grab bag of signifiers, that's just an index of the comfortable position from which the gesture emanates. And comfort tends to make people long for things, and overcompensate. My first boyfriend made AIDS jokes all the time. Since his death from AIDS complications I have a hard time laughing along with AIDS humor. But something tells me this band is for people for whom AIDS is exotic, exotically "dated" as a thing to worry about, etc. I wonder if they're going to tour Africa anytime soon.

To state the super obvious: this is not a censorship issue. Of course they can call their band whatever they want.

Also to state the obvious: this has nothing to do with the "noise" scene as a whole or in part because this is a rock band. A "noisy" rock band, but a rock band all the same.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Saturday, 11 February 2006 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

i've never met this person before but apparently they'd like me to be their myspace friend.

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 12 February 2006 00:58 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

the entire "ha ha deliberately uncool AIDS joke ha ha" gesture was already played- and by a REAL noise band (in fact the greatest noise band ever) cf. the Hanatarash 4 CD subtitled "AIDS-a-delic" on Public Bath.

AND the "ironic hipster douchebag rocks AIDS humor" gesture was played circa Black Nasty's "AIDS Can't Stop Me" bedroom hip hop CD, years and years ago.

So, it's not even a new way to piss people off, and it's been done before by people whose actual sound/music was worth the time of day.

That is all.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Sunday, 12 February 2006 01:09 (nineteen years ago)

Er, not to defend the Aids Wolf or anything, but I'm guessing they chose their name to get attention, yes? So if you're offended (and btw, if you are offended (Drew), just say it offends you. Claiming your objection is aesthetic cuz it's not an original use of bad taste or whatever is itself a totally cliched response) wouldn't it make sense not to take the bait and promote the group by posting about them in your widely read blog, etc? Why play the American Family Association to their Andres Serrano?

Anyway, if there's anything notable about this group, it's how not shocking their shtick seems. "Transgressive" is definitely not how I would describe them. Their act seems completely pat and kind of traditional in a good way. Reassuring. I like Green Day/White Stripes/etc in small doses and if they ever made to MTV, I bet I'd like the Aids Wolf in exactly the same way.

Anonymity preserving pseudonym, Sunday, 12 February 2006 06:21 (nineteen years ago)

Drew is spot on.

Also one difference between calling your band "Cancer Clown" or "Child Abuse" or "Child Pornography" or whatever and namechecking AIDS in your joke band is that NOBODY in this country thinks cancer, child or child pornorgaphy are God's personal ethnic cleansing method / moral judgment upon their victims. AIDS has wiped out a huge swath of a generation of people, many of the best-and-brightest, whose swift and gruesome deaths were made even more egregious in light of the absolute political indifference to it in the first decade that it raged. Also, the fact is that today AIDS kills disproportionately more gay people and African-American people than any other demographic. Nice call, white art band. The name isn't "shocking" so much as staggeringly stupid.

P.S. Jessica Hopper is right too.

analog roam, Monday, 13 February 2006 03:21 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.hardcore-history.com/img/images/hch1_punk/sid1.jpg

Suck on this.

Anonymity preserving pseudonym, Monday, 13 February 2006 06:33 (nineteen years ago)


"G-9"

by Tim Dlugos

I'm at a double wake
in Springfield, for a childhood
friend and his father
who died years ago. I join
my aunt in the queue of mourners
and walk into a brown study,
a sepia room with books
and magazines. The father's
in a coffin; he looks exhumed,
the worse for wear. But where
my friend's remains should be
there's just the empty base
of an urn. Where are his ashes?
His mother hands me
a paper cup with pills:
leucovorin, Zovirax,
and AZT. "Henry
wanted you to have these,"
she sneers. "Take all
you want, for all the good
they'll do." "Dlugos.
Meester Dlugos." A lamp
snaps on. Raquel,
not Welch, the chubby
nurse, is standing by my bed.
It's 6 a.m., time to flush
the heplock and hook up
the I.v. line. False dawn
is changing into day, infusing
the sky above the Hudson
with a flush of light.
My roommate stirs
beyond the pinstriped curtain.
My first time here on G-9,
the AIDS ward, the cheery
D & D Building intentionality
of the decor made me feel
like jumping out a window.
I'd been lying on a gurney
in an E.R. corridor
for nineteen hours, next to
a psychotic druggie
with a voice like Abbie
Hoffman's. He was tied
up, or down, with strips
of cloth (he'd tried to slug
a nurse) and sent up
a grating adenoidal whine
all night. "Nurse. . . nurse. . .
untie me, please. . . these
rags have strange powers."
By the time they found
a bed for me, I was in
no mood to appreciate the clever
curtains in my room,
the same fabric exactly
as the drapes and sheets
of a P-town guest house
in which I once — partied? stayed?
All I can remember is
the pattern. Nor did it
help to have the biggest queen
on the nursing staff
clap his hands delightedly
and welcome me to AIDS-land.
I wanted to drop
dead immediately. That
was the low point. Today
these people are my friends,
in the process of restoring
me to life a second time.

I can walk and talk
and breathe simultaneously
now. I draw a breath
and sing "Happy Birthday"
to my roommate Joe.
He's 51 today. I didn't think
he'd make it. Three weeks
ago they told him that he had
aplastic anemia, and nothing
could be done. Joe had been
a rotten patient, moaning
operatically, throwing chairs
at nurses. When he got
the bad news, there was
a big change. He called
the relatives with whom
he had been disaffected,
was anointed and communicated
for the first time since the age
of eight when he was raped
by a priest, and made a will.
As death drew nearer, Joe
grew nicer, almost serene.
Then the anemia
began to disappear, not
because of medicines, but
on its own. Ready to die,
it looks like Joe has more
of life to go. He'll go
home soon. "When will you
get out of here?" he asks me.
I don't know; when the X-ray
shows no more pneumonia.
I've been here three weeks
this time. "What have I
accomplished? Read some
Balzac, spent "quality
time" with friends, come back
from death's door, and
prayed, prayed a lot.
Barry Bragg, a former
lover of a former
lover and a new
Episcopalian, has AIDS too,
and gave me a leatherbound
and gold-trimmed copy of the Office,
the one with all the antiphons.
My list of daily intercessions
is as long as a Russian
novel. I pray about AIDS
last. Last week I made a list
of all my friends who've died
or who are living and infected.
Every day since, I've remembered
someone I forgot to list.
This morning it was Chasen
Gaver, the performance poet
from DC. I don't know
if he's still around. I liked
him and could never stand
his poetry, which made it
difficult to be a friend,
although I wanted to defend
him one excruciating night
at a Folio reading, where
Chasen snapped his fingers
and danced around spouting
frothy nonsense about Andy
Warhol to the rolling eyes
of self-important "language-
centered" poets, whose dismissive
attitude and ugly manners
were worse by far than anything
that Chasen ever wrote.

Charles was his real name;
a classmate at Antioch
dubbed him "Chasen," after
the restaurant, I guess.
Once I start remembering,
so much comes back.
There are forty-nine names
on my list of the dead,
thirty-two names of the sick.
Cookie Mueller changed
lists Saturday. They all
will, I guess, the living,
I mean, unless I go
before them, in which case
I may be on somebody's
list myself. It's hard
to imagine so many people
I love dying, but no harder
than to comprehend so many
already gone. My beloved
Bobby, maniac and boyfriend.
Barry reminded me that he
had sex with Bobby
on the coat pile at his Christmas
party, two years in a row.
That's the way our life
together used to be, a lot
of great adventures. Who'll
remember Bobby's stories
about driving in his debutante
date's father's white Mercedes
from hole to hole of the golf course
at the poshest country club
in Birmingham at 3 a.m.,
or taking off his clothes
in the redneck bar on a dare,
or working on Stay Hungry
as the dresser of a then-
unknown named Schwarzenegger
Who will be around to anthologize
his purple cracker similes:
"Sweatin' like a nigger
on Election Day," "Hotter
than a half-fucked fox
in a forest fire." The ones
that I remember have to do
with heat, Bobby shirtless,
sweating on the dance floor
of the tiny bar in what is now
a shelter for the indigent
with AIDS on the dockstrip,
stripping shirts off Chuck Shaw,
Barry Bragg and me, rolling
up the tom rags, using them
as pom-poms, then bolting
off down West Street, gracefully
(despite the overwhelming
weight of his inebriation)
vaulting over trash cans
as he sang, "I like to be
in America" in a Puerto Rican
accent. When I pass,
who'll remember, who will care
about these joys and wonders?
I'm haunted by that more
than by the faces
of the dead and dying.
A speaker crackles near
my bed and nurses
streak down the corridor.
The black guy on the respirator
next door bought the farm,
Maria tells me later, but
only when I ask. She has tears
in her eyes. She'd known him
since his first day on G-9
a long time ago. Will I also
become a fond, fondly regarded
regular, back for stays
the way retired retiring
widowers return to the hotel
in Nova Scotia or Provence
where they vacationed with
their wives? I expect so, although
that's down the road; today's
enough to fill my plate. A bell
rings, like the gong that marks
the start of a fight. It's 10
and Derek's here to make
the bed, Derek who at 16
saw Bob Marley's funeral
in the football stadium
in Kingston, hot tears
pouring down his face.
He sings as he folds
linens, "You can fool
some of the people some
of the time," dancing
a little softshoe as he works.
There's a reason he came in
just now; Divorce Court
drones on Joe's TV, and
Derek is hooked. I can't
believe the script is plausible
to him, Jamaican hipster
that he is, but he stands
transfixed by the parade
of faithless wives and screwed-up
husbands. The judge is testy;
so am I, unwilling
auditor of drivel. Phone
my friends to block it out:
David, Jane and Eileen. I missed
the bash for David's magazine
on Monday and Eileen's reading
last night. Jane says that
Marie-Christine flew off
to Marseilles where her mother
has cancer of the brain,
reminding me that AIDS
is just a tiny fragment
of life's pain. Eileen has
been thinking about Bobby, too,
the dinner that we threw
when he returned to New York
after getting sick. Pencil-thin,
disfigured by KS, he held forth
with as much kinetic charm
as ever. What we have
to cherish is not only
what we can recall of how
things were before the plague,
but how we each responded
once it started. People
have been great to me.
An avalanche of love
has come my way
since I got sick, and not
just moral support.
Jaime's on the board
of PEN's new fund
for AIDS; he's helping out.
Don Windham slipped a check
inside a note, and Brad
Gooch got me something
from the Howard Brookner Fund.
Who'd have thought when we
dressed up in ladies'
clothes for a night for a hoot
in Brad ("June Buntt") and
Howard ("Lili La Lean")'s suite
at the Chelsea that things
would have turned out this way:
Howard dead at 35, Chris Cox
("Kay Sera Sera")'s friend Bill
gone too, "Bernadette of Lourdes"
(guess who) with AIDS,
God knows how many positive.
Those 14th Street wigs and enormous
stingers and Martinis don't
provoke nostalgia for a time
when love and death were less
inextricably linked, but
for the stories we would tell
the morning after, best
when they involved our friends,
second-best, our heroes.
J.J. Mitchell was a master
of the genre. When he learned
he had AIDS, I told him
he should write them down.
His mind went first. I'll tell you
one of his best. J.J. was
Jerome Robbins' houseguest
at Bridgehampton. Every morning
they would have a contest
to see who could finish
the Times crossword first.
Robbins always won, until
a day when he was clearly
baffled. Grumbling, scratching
over letters, he finally
threw his pen down. "J.J.,
tell me what I'm doing wrong."
One clue was "Great 20th-c.
choreographer." The solution
was "Massine," but Robbins
had placed his own name
in the space. Every word
around it had been changed
to try to make the puzzle
work, except that answer.
At this point there'd be
a horsey laugh from JJ.
— "Isn't that great?"
he'd say through clenched
teeth ("Locust Valley lockjaw'').
It was, and there were lots
more where that one came from,
only you can't get there anymore.
He's dropped into the maw
waiting for the G-9
denizens and for all flesh,
as silent as the hearts
that beat upon the beds
up here: the heart of the drop-
dead beautiful East Village
kid who came in yesterday,
Charles Frost's heart nine inches
from the spleen they're taking
out tomorrow, the heart of
the demented girl whose screams
roll down the hallways
late at night, hearts that long
for lovers, for reprieve,
for old lives, for another chance.
My heart, so calm most days,
sinks like a brick
to think of all that heartache.
I've been staying sane with
program tools, turning everything
over to God "as I understand
him." I don't understand him.
Thank God I read so much
Calvin last spring; the absolute
necessity of blind obedience
to a sometimes comforting,
sometimes repellent, always
incomprehensible Source
of light and life stayed
with me. God can seem
so foreign, a parent
from another country,
like my Dad and his own
father speaking Polish
in the kitchen. I wouldn't
trust a father or a God
too much like me, though.
That is why I pack up all
my cares and woes, and load them
on the conveyor belt, the speed
of which I can't control, like
Chaplin on the assembly line
in Modern Times or Lucy on TV.
I don't need to run
machines today. I'm standing
on a moving sidewalk
headed for the dark
or light, whatever's there.
Duncan Hannah visits, and
we talk of out-of-body
experiences. His was
amazing. Bingeing on vodka
in his dorm at Bard, he woke
to see a naked boy
in fetal posture on the floor.
Was it a corpse, a classmate,
a pickup from the blackout
of the previous night? Duncan
didn't know. He struggled
out of bed, walked over
to the youth, and touched
his shoulder. The boy turned;
it was Duncan himself.
My own experience was
milder, don't make me flee
screaming from the room
as Duncan did. It happened
on a Tibetan meditation
weekend at the Cowley Fathers'
house in Cambridge.
Michael Koonsman led it,
healer whose enormous paws
directed energy. He touched
my spine to straighten up
my posture, and I gasped
at the rush. We were chanting
to Tara, goddess of compassion
and peace, in the basement chapel
late at night. I felt myself
drawn upward, not levitating
physically, but still somehow
above my body. A sense
of bliss surrounded me.
It lasted ten or fifteen
minutes. When I came down,
my forehead hurt. The spot
where the "third eye" appears
in Buddhist art felt
as though someone had pushed
a pencil through it.
The soreness lasted for a week.
Michael wasn't surprised.
He did a lot of work
with people with AIDS
in the epidemic's early days,
but when he started losing
weight and having trouble
with a cough, he was filled
with denial. By the time
he checked into St. Luke's,
he was in dreadful shape.
The respirator down his throat
squelched the contagious
enthusiasm of his voice,
but he could still spell out
what he wanted to say
on a plastic Ouija board
beside his bed. When
the doctor who came in
to tell him the results
of his bronchoscopy said,
"Father, I'm afraid I have
bad news," Michael grabbed
the board and spelled,
"The truth is always
Good News." After he died,
I had a dream in which
I was a student in a class
that he was posthumously
teaching. With mock annoyance
he exclaimed, "Oh, Tim!
I can't believe you really think
that AIDS is a disease!"
There's evidence in that
direction, I'll tell him
if the dream recurs: the shiny
hamburger-in-lucite look
of the big lesion on my face;
the smaller ones I daub
with makeup; the loss
of forty pounds in a year;
the fatigue that comes on
at the least convenient times.
The symptoms float like algae
on the surface of the grace
that buoys me up today.
Arthur comes in with
the Sacrament, and we have
to leave the room (Joe's
Italian family has arrived
for birthday cheer) to find
some quiet. Walk out
to the breezeway, where
it might as well be
August for the stifling
heat. On Amsterdam,
pedestrians and drivers are
oblivious to our small aerie,
as we peer through the grille
like cloistered nuns. Since
leaving G-9 the first time,
I always slow my car down
on this block, and stare up
at this window, to the unit
where my life was saved.
It's strange how quickly
hospitals feel foreign
when you leave, and how normal
their conventions seem as soon
as you check in. From below,
it's like checking out the windows
of the West Street Jail; hard
to imagine what goes on there,
even if you know firsthand.
The sun is going down as I
receive communion. I wish
the rite's familiar magic
didn't dull my gratitude
for this enormous gift.
I wish I had a closer personal
relationship with Christ,
which I know sounds corny
and alarming. Janet Campbell
gave me a remarkable ikon
the last time I was here;
Christ is in a chair, a throne,
and St. John the Divine,
an androgyne who looks a bit
like Janet, rests his head
upon the Savior's shoulder.
James Madden, priest of Cowley,
dead of cancer earlier
this year at 39, gave her
the image, telling her not to
be afraid to imitate St. John.
There may come a time when
I'm unable to respond with words,
or works, or gratitude to AIDS;
a time when my attitude
caves in, when I'm as weak
as the men who lie across
the dayroom couches hour
after hour, watching sitcoms,
drawing blanks. Maybe
my head will be shaved
and scarred from surgery;
maybe I'll be pencil-
thin and paler than
a ghost, pale as the vesper
light outside my window now.
It would be good to know
that I could close my eyes
and lean my head back
on his shoulder then,
as natural and trusting
as I'd be with a cherished
love. At this moment,
Chris walks in, Christopher
Earl Wiss of Kansas City
and New York, my lover,
my last lover, my first
healthy and enduring relationship
in sobriety, the man
with whom I choose
to share what I have
left of life and time.
This is the hardest
and happiest moment
of the day. G-9
is no place to affirm
a relationship. Two hours
in a chair beside my bed
after eight hours of work
night after night for weeks
. . . it's been a long haul,
and Chris gets tired.
Last week he exploded,
"I hate this, I hate your
being sick and having AIDS
and lying in a hospital
where I can only see you
with a visitor's pass. I hate
that this is going to
get worse." I hate it,
too. We kiss, embrace,
and Chris climbs into bed
beside me, to air-mattress
squeaks. Hold on. We hold on
to each other, to a hope
of how we'll be when I get out.
Let him hold on, please
don't let him lose his
willingness to stick with me,
to make love and to make
love work, to extend
the happiness we've shared.
Please don't let AIDS
make me a monster
or a burden is my prayer.
Too soon, Chris has to leave.
I walk him to the elevator
bank, then totter back
so Raquel can open my I.V.
again. It's not even
mid-evening, but I'm nodding
off. My life's so full, even
(especially?) when I'm here
on G-9. When it's time
to move on to the next step,
that will be a great adventure,
too. Helena Hughes, Tibetan
Buddhist, tells me that
there are three stages in death.
The first is white, like passing
through a thick but porous wall.
The second stage is red;
the third is black, and then
you're finished, ready
for the next event. I'm glad
she has a road map, but I don't
feel the need for one myself.
I've trust enough in all
that's happened in my life,
the unexpected love
and gentleness that rushes in
to fill the arid spaces
in my heart, the way the city
glow fills up the sky
above the river, making it
seem less than night. When
Joe O'Hare flew in last week,
he asked what were the best
times of my New York years;
I said "Today," and meant it.
I hope that death will lift me
by the hair like an angel
in a Hebrew myth, snatch me with
the strength of sleep's embrace,
and gently set me down
where I'm supposed to be,
in just the right place.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Monday, 13 February 2006 07:00 (nineteen years ago)

so guessing no remix then?

midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Monday, 13 February 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks for posting that, Drew.

Holy Moly!, Tuesday, 14 February 2006 04:02 (nineteen years ago)

This is the framework I see:
* "I am fed up with pointlessly offensive bands"
* "I have not seen AIDS Wolf, but I assume they are a pointlessly offensive band"
* "I therefore assume I am fed up with AIDS Wolf"
* "I write an uninformed diatribe about AIDS Wolf"

good job!

uhm, Sunday, 26 February 2006 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

Hopefully this hasn't been posted before, but here's the story behind the name:
“Our buddies, An Albatross, were playing in this backyard in Ohio,� Deluxe tells me. “There were, like, 400 people there, people were setting off fireworks, it was insane. We happened to look down this alleyway, and spray-painted on the side of this building was just ‘AIDS WOLF.’ It felt like a weird message from God.�

A resident of said vandalized building later informed the band that the phrase was derived from an urban legend (this is Ohio, mind you) concerning AIDS-infected wolves coming down into the city and biting people’s housepets. The pets then passed AIDS on to their owners via seemingly innocuous licks. “They had a ferret stuck in their walls,� she says, “and when it would scratch around, they’d be like, ‘Oh no! There’s the AIDS Wolf!’�

+, Sunday, 26 February 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

AIDS Wolf suck. Mashing them in with other noise bands from New York is insulting-- they're a buncha fuckin posers who put out a crappy album with deceptively good cover art.

Also, to even mention AIDS Wolf in the same breath as NNCK should be a capital offense.

trees (treesessplode), Sunday, 26 February 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

six years pass...

The band broke up on March 22nd, 2012. [1]

turds (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 05:50 (thirteen years ago)

AIDS Wolf just announced they have broken up

― sarahell, Friday, March 23, 2012 12:38 PM (6 months ago)

sarahell, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 06:07 (thirteen years ago)

never heard this band but that tim dlugos poem is amazing

these wilburys taste like wilburys (donna rouge), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 07:10 (thirteen years ago)

It was a small tragedy in my mind that around 2008 or 2009 this band went from being "kinda bad" to being "kinda the best", but nobody noticed b/c of "AIDS"

flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 12:10 (thirteen years ago)

That, or that any goodwill toward them had expired after years of less-than-stellar shows. Too bad! They got so amazing toward the end!

flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 12:12 (thirteen years ago)

u mean once they became a trio?

flopson, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 13:47 (thirteen years ago)

I think so? I once tried to ask Chloe the question as delicately as I could-- "how did your band get so good suddenly?"-- and she said they stopped what they had been doing and spent a year reworking and revising.

Their second-last show at Casa is up on Youtube and I re-watched it to make sure I Wasn't Just Kidding Myself and I'm not, it was super super

flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 14:07 (thirteen years ago)

yeah that was a good era

flopson, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 22:21 (thirteen years ago)

seripop art>>>>>>aids wold music

This Is Not An ILX Username (LaMonte), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 22:46 (thirteen years ago)

yeah, sure, but that art is pretty rad so

idk i claimed to have hated aw for years & while i never fully got on board, i gotta say their live show was always really brutal and crazy and whether good or bad got a really strong response out of me every time. i was never bored and never walked out on one of their sets

flopson, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 22:56 (thirteen years ago)

I like Seripop just fine but don't think it needs to be a, what do they call it? False binary

flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 23:21 (thirteen years ago)

This is the show?: http://youtu.be/u8w4l_iIxjo

Some cool stuff for sure.

Anyone into Drainolith?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 23:48 (thirteen years ago)

What is Drainolith
*googles*
OK!

flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 23:59 (thirteen years ago)

I walked out of an AW show in ~2006 at Tranzac when Chloe put her mouth over the mic and went OOOOOoOOOoOOOOOOOOOOO so loud that the tweeters glowed red and my ear started singing

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 00:06 (thirteen years ago)

what kind of things did your ear sing?

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 00:18 (thirteen years ago)

"I got AIDS" iirc

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 00:27 (thirteen years ago)

oh man, you even got it in the ear before?

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 00:28 (thirteen years ago)

I guess!

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 00:45 (thirteen years ago)


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