Bands that don't "count" as being the real band anymore

I think Weezer should have reunited under a different moniker when they did so in the five years in-between Pinkerton and the green album.

I don't thank the Replacements were the Replacements once they got replacements.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhyamaka

but both would still have to bow down before menudo.

"Dude, I'm so freakin pissed. I went to see Devendra Banhart at Webster Hall last night and who the fuck opens the show but the "bunnybrains". This is not the bunnybrains i grew up loving and rolling joints off albums bought at Gerosa records. Dan is pissing me off! How the fuck can he get such high profile shows (the press swarmed the stage obscuring my view) parading around like art-rock gods. And who is going to respond lovingly to my squaks of "DANBURY" I mean the guy said "we're the bunnybrains from upstate new york" Grrrr man, just grrrr. No one in the audience knew the backstory and probably wouldnt care to listen anyway."

new King Crimson.

I think Love is a great example of a band that will always be "the real Love" no matter what scared bunch of 20-somethings Arthur Lee rustles up to back him.

I thought it was kind of weird that the rhythm section of Atomic Bitchwax kept the name going after Ed Mundell took off, considering his tie in with Monster Magnet probably got most people to hear the band in the first place. It must be some kind of nu-James Gang kind of situation.

The Clash without Mick? (Ooh, that will start some fighting!)

Voting still out on Sugababes.

What's interesting are the cases when bands lose a key member, keep the name and then create essentially a second career (viz. Genesis and Manics)

It's supposed to materialize this summer.

-- sleeve (sleev...), February 15th, 2006.

A version of Love w/o Arthur Lee but WITH original guitarist Johnny Echols, backed by various members of Baby Lemonade is about to go out on tour under the name "The Love Band" with Arthur's grudging permission. Apparently they sacked Arthur last year for getting to wierd and unpredictable and figure that, with 10 years backing the great man they have paid their dues.

Does this count?

Although they still "count" for me I dunno what hardcore metalheads think of their multiple line ups.

No original members

Soft Machine surely ceased to be when Mike Ratledge left, but they continued to make albums. Haven't there been versions of the band playing gigs in the last few years?

1) Auteur bands: Totally driven by one person's over-arching vision, e.g. The Fall, Swans. Music is highly tolerant of personnel changes.

2) Gemini bands: Feed off the relationship between two members, e.g. Richards/Jaggar, Jones/Strummer, Danzig/Only. Lose one and the sound falls apart.

3) Hydras: Some bands work because the dynamic is between several individuals. Hard to tell where the fault lines are, and often these bands still work with 1 or 2 members missing. For instance, swap Vicious for Matlock and you arguably still have The Sex Pistols, but if you swap out Jones or Rotten that's another story. Birthday Party swapped out drummers without considerable impact, but without Pew, Cave, or Howard things wouldn't be the same.

4) Perfect whole: Each member provides a unique contribution, lose one and the whole thing falls apart, e.g. The Minutemen, Big Black.

Of course, which category you place a band in can depend on your opinion of their music. Hell, some people think The Sex Pistols sucked once they lost Matlock. Many put PJ Harvey in the auteur category but I think the orginal trio was a "perfect whole" scenario. Some bands swap out auteurs and head down whole new paths (e.g. Pink Floyd).

BunnyBrains Band Members to date:

Bobby Bunny - Bass, Guitar, Vocals,

Elisa Flynn - Guitar

Malcolm Tent - Bass, Guitar, Vocals, Percussion

Dan Bunny aka "Eg The Poet" - Vocals, Guitar, Keyboard

Thom Monahan - Guitar

Patti Grannan - Guitar, Bass, ???

Eddie O'Dowd - Drums

Wendy Leahy - Bass

Pete "Sylvie" Partenio - Drums, Electronics

Kerri "Ca$h" Culhane aka Ginger Cremebrulee - Cello, Violin, Keyboard, Guitar, Wrestling & Flinging

Warren Kennedy - Guitar

Neville McDermott - Guitar, Bass

Jim Roberto - Guitar

Jim Ball - Sax

Greg Vegas - Sax

Davo - Bass

Ray "Raimondo" Paulucci - Guitar

Larry Bunny - Dulcimer, Vocals, Shaker.video,clarinet

Ernie Lattanzio - Bass

Fudd - Guitar

Barnabas - Drums

Jackie Beckett - Guitar

Allen Noisehair - Bass

Indian Joe - Vocals

Vern - Vocals

KC Moonshine - Harmonica, Organ

Messer a.k.a. Flowmaster

Arther Stone - Guitar

Chris Nolan - Bass

Joe Fmu - Bass

Ed Lang - Drums

Jerome Becker - Drums

Todd Merrell - Keyboards

SOMA 13 Rhythm Section - Bass, Drums

Dan Dub - Bass, Tapes

Jake Pepper - Guitar

Chris Mitchell - Drums

Bram the Kid - Guitar

Sam Farrell - Bass

Lyme Emyl - Guitar

Virginia - Dancer

Laura Helmet Head - Dancer

Lee Lisa - Dancer

Little Carrie Bowersox - Dancer

Tracy - Dancer

Heather Hiphugger - Dancer

Chandy Pinkeye - Guitars, Synths, Effects

Horlick Choi - Drums

La Persona - Acoustic guitar, Vocals, QChord

Dino Sex - Drums

Matt Newton - Guitar

Michael Bigbooté - Vocals

Tom Greenwood - Guitar

Luke Puke - Drums

BigEliza-bass,guitar

Slink Moss-drums

Jason Martin-drums,bass,guitar,banjo,tapes

Jamie Mohr-singin,dancin

Norman Douglas-dancing,poetry

Berel-keyboards

Will-bass drum on rope

Maya Hayuk-singing,drawing

Phil Franklin-drums

Matt Wascovich-gtr

Tyler-cooking live

Brendan-warped plastic guitar,viola

Brooke Crouser-guitar,strings,vocals

Ross the Boss-guitar

Marshall Phree-drumms

Mikey Monkey-guitar

Joe-Drums

Joe V-bass

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© 2006 The Bunnybrains

And also, the Sex Pistols never really "lost" Matlock. At least in terms of recorded output.

... and his bass playing was quite good as well.

-- sleeve (sleev...), February 15th, 2006.

Do you mean the current incarnation or any KC group featuring Adrian Bellew?

I seem to recall reading some years back that the group touring as "The Guess Who" had no original members at all, with the only connection being that it was fronted by their original roadie.

Also, Ian Paice is the only founding member of Deep Purple left after Jon Lord's retirement in 2003-04.

And what was Lone Justice other than Maria McKee backed by some people?

The Doors cut two records after Jimbo met The End, which have recently come back into print on one CD. I heard Other Voices one afternoon back around 88 or 89, remember thinking it was OK and have been curious about it ever since. I ordered the reissue to satisfy my curiosity, as every time I came across them on vinyl they were expensive.

At least Ian Gillian and Roger Glover are still in Deep Purple. They have put out quite a few records since Blackmore left for the final time and from what I have read, some think they are pretty good. I have not heard any DP studio albums after Perfect Strangers, which really is a pretty good comeback record.

The Sex Pistols lost ROTTEN and still put out records!

A friend of my in-laws told me a good friend of hers had been in the Byrds. I assumed she meant the Michael Clarke-led state fair incarnation, long since shut down by court order. I was right.

That Glenn later started enjoying eating dogshit is immaterial.

I kind of feel the same way about New Order post-Get Ready, or even post-"Here To Stay". I just can't accept Waiting For The Siren's Call as a New Order album.

They also probably qualify for the original definition of the thread, as they changed quite a bit once Gillian left (dubious contributions aside).

Rrrrrright. Except that Danzig can sing like a motherfucker.

OK, so the singer and main songwriter is still around, but one guy isn't a band, is he?

-- bendy (bend...), February 16th, 2006 1:43 AM.

Yeah, but it was schlock redeemed by, 1) as previously noted, Danzig's herculean pipes, 2) Danzig's ability to write about grade-Z topics without insulting your intelligence, 3) Danzig's ability to write ass-flattening pop songs, and 4) the youthful fury + ambition of all involved. I'd put their output up against any punk group's (don't make me post my Misfits comp again!). As for the current incarnation, well, I'd put them up against the wall and shoot them.

I know some people view them as the punk rock equivalent of Wham!, but I think Jerry Only had more to do with the way the original Misfits sounded than some give him credit for. There was some kind of dynamic between Only and Danzig that fueled a 6 year run of great material. Neither of them subsequently produced anything that touched the original stuff by a long shot.

But those who argue for The Misfits without Glenn remind me of those who argue for INXS without Michael Hutchence.

The Misfits currently advertised as touring Australia are 1/3 Misfits and 1/2 Black Flag!
-- kit brash (kitbras...), February 16th, 2006 3:35 AM.

Robo was in both the original Misfits and Black Flag, so he I guess he counts on both sides. I assume the other ex-BF is Dez Cadena.

As for T-Rex, both Marc Bolan and Mickey Finn have split the physical plane. Steve Currie's gone too. Is anyone left from any of the lineups?

My contribution to the thread is Pharcyde.

Did they even do anything after Bolan died?

No, wait.

Well, I was definitely thinking of Thrak and thereafter. Post-Belew. I realize that may not be totally consistent, but even with Bruford and Levin they sound nothing like the 80's version. When I saw the double trio tour in '95 it was good, but kind of like seeing an oldies act. Now even Belew is gone. Hence my nomination.

After the ProjeKcts' task was completed, Bruford quit the band

Since he was on the 80's albums, I feel that I can safely nominate KC for the thread title, regardless of my opinion of their 90's output.

yeah I know, but only for a bit, and after he was in Flag. it's the imbalance that gets me, rather than the actual presence of Dez or Robo.

I definitely do not count Clash II: Electric Boogaloo as real.

Yes, post-Wakeman.

-- matt the queeg, Friday, February 17, 2006 6:06 AM (1 year ago)

uhhh Yes has Rick Wakemen since 2002 and also has the same 5 members as their 1972 lineup. How many bands can say they have all the same members as their peak in the early 70s?

Also, while this topic is back up, King Crimson are getting back together with the same guys as usual (Belew, Fripp, Gunn, and Mastelotto) except with an additional drummer who's name hasn't been dropped yet... Bruford anyone?

anyone who brings up the Smashing Pumpkins is not OTM

i.e., totally an Auteur band

um, yeah, but... no.

Being a fucking control-freak asshole does not make your band an "auteur band", it just makes you a dick. Chamberlain is absolutely essential. Iha was pretty fucking important too.

yeah, but Adore was recorded without Chamberlin, and Siamese Dream, almost entirely by Billy Corgan in the studio. both are great records. if anyone is essential it's Chamberlin, whose drumming is a hell of a lot more distinctive than Iha's guitar playing. but the drum-machine experiment worked out pretty well, i would argue.

And what was Lone Justice other than Maria McKee backed by some people?

While it's true that the band was completely different on each of the albums, Shane Fontayne's guitar on Shelter is its chief redeeming quality. I'd have liked to have seen that lineup make a couple more.

Oh God, the New Cars.

What about the Electric Prunes with Axelrod and no actual members of the band?

http://www.protons.com.br/megazine/figuras/BFtsol02.jpg

edward III otm about the misfits upthread

Kiss without Ace & Peter

The Stranglers without Hugh

The New York Dolls without Johnny Thunders

manic street preachers

Also, while this topic is back up, King Crimson are getting back together with the same guys as usual (Belew, Fripp, Gunn, and Mastelotto) except with an additional drummer who's name hasn't been dropped yet... Bruford anyone?

-- CaptainLorax, Monday, October 8, 2007 12:49 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Uh, what's your source for this? Gunn quit KC a few years ago and Tony Levin has rejoined, though they haven't recorded anything yet. Fripp has mentioned reconvening in '08 I think.

Led Zeppelin

Interesting, I just found a new Mastelotto interview and he mentions the upcoming 2-drummer lineup.

This doesn't count, but I think it's weird that both Starship* and Jefferson Starship are touring right now.

*Or as the ads say, "Mickey Thomas' Starship"

SPIRITUALIZED

wtf, crimson doesn't need another fucking drummer in there; they need to can mastoletto and pay bruford a lot of money and keep levin and stop making so much distortion noise and do some more pretty shit like the 80's records

They need to can Mastoletto if for no other reason than he was in Mr.Mister

That's a dumb reason.

Styx without Dennis DeYoung isn't Styx (for better or worse).

SPIRITUALIZED
-- BATTAGS, Monday, October 8, 2007 6:16 PM (44 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

U LYE

All those older doo-wop and Motown groups...IIRC they actually had to pass legislation to make sure that a random group of people couldn't just call themselves such-and-such band and get away with it. Urban legend has it that Berry Gordy lost the "Marvelettes" brand name in a game of poker, and some manager went for years just putting some random black girls on a stage, and no one could tell the difference.

i really think the best way to parse this stuff is just that everything officially released under a band's name is by the band. its clear that personnel changes in bands, but it seems way too arbitrary to start picking and choosing.

-- pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:43 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

i still stand by this!

making reasoned arguments = arbitrary

Radiohead from "Kid A" onwards.

Because they didn't sound like Radiohead anymore.

xpost

nope, no lie, Spiritualized after J Spaceman fired one of the best bands on the planet sucked afterwards. Let it Come Down & Amazing Grace pale in comparison to the previous three albums, and all it took was one show with the new lineup to convince me that it wasn't the same anymore and the band i wanted to see was long gone. Spiritualized will always be *that* band, and *those* albums. I don't really know anyone personally who thinks differently.

W.A.S.P. after everyone quit.

battags is wrong.

yeah, I must have gotten gunn and levin confused.

no Michael Anthony, no Van Halen...

hate to say it but: r...e...m

mum without the twins

King Crimson with Adrian Belew isn't King Crimson.

The New York Dolls without Johnny Thunders

Amen

I figured this thread was revived over the sugababes new video where it really takes you off guard when you realise its the sugababes and not some band you've never heard of.

Yeah, they should rename themselves "Sugababes"

I definitely do not count Clash II: Electric Boogaloo as real.

neither do any of the five members of the band, so that's alright

(the bloke who made the album probably does though)

Yeah, they should rename themselves "Sugababes"

How does saying this help anyone? Huh?!

Oh, wait I get it.