Lily Allen - This summers biggest racist?

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Does anybody else agree that Lily Allen: www.myspace.com/lilymusic will be this summers favourite artist?

― E-Clex (E-Clex), Thursday, 27 April 2006 09:28 (nineteen years ago)

Joe Whiley has been playing LDN on her show on radio 1 and she has featured in various newspapers recently... I particularly like Alfie, but she has just taken it off her my space profile, second to that a take on fifty cent: Nan your a window shopper

Eclex
www.eclex.bravehost.com

― E-Clex (E-Clex), Thursday, 27 April 2006 09:30 (nineteen years ago)

Surely you critical lot have an opinion on this??!!

Eclex

― E-Clex (E-Clex), Thursday, 27 April 2006 13:00 (nineteen years ago)

So are you related, employed or just obsessed?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 April 2006 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

Treat Steam.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 27 April 2006 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

i found you a girlfriend! she makes 60s pop / belle+sebastian influenced 2step garage songs.
http://static.flickr.com/51/131662586_8264b15069_o.jpg
here's her grime / sunshine pop / dnb mixtape
http://www.lilyallenmusic.com/music/demos/5geuj0iedc/MyFirstMixtape.mp3
go add your testimonial here: http://www.myspace.com/lilymusic
http://static.flickr.com/50/131662583_baa8e6850b_o.jpg
-- DEEDS NOT WORDS (vfoz...), April 21st, 2006.
:-O

-- strongo hulkington is a guy with a belly button piercing (wt...), April 21st, 2006.

― lil' merzbow wow (haitch), Thursday, 27 April 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

She's already been discussed on the Teenpop thread. Opinions were positive.

― alext (alext), Thursday, 27 April 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

Lol I am neither jus like to spread the word when there is a good artist about...
I would say she was more streets vs corrine bailey rae than Belle and Sebastian

― E-Clex (E-Clex), Thursday, 27 April 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

if she sounds anything like the streets OR corinne bailey rae OR belle & sebastian, the interest i've had in hearing her music is immediately DEAD.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 27 April 2006 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

Lex, I'm pretty sure you'd like her. LDN really is irresistible, although some of the other songs do get corny after a while.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 27 April 2006 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

she is KEITH ALLEN'S DAUGHTER.

gasp.

― william, it was really nothing (superpopelectro), Thursday, 27 April 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

you can see the likeness

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 27 April 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

but hopefully not hear it

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 27 April 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

actually she looks a lot more like her Uncle Kevin (ulp)

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 27 April 2006 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

I'm about as sure that this is really any good as I am about M.I.A. or Uffie (damn, I don't begrudge Feadz making some money but oh, Peaches what hath thou wrought?!) but I'm finding it hard to hate, maybe a little twinge of jealously! I think I'm in love! *downloading mixtape right now*

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 27 April 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

Ok, she kinda rules.

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 27 April 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

I fear this is the target Lady Sovereign has been spectacularly failing to hit for the last year.

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 27 April 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

You see, aren't you glad I spread the word!

E-clex
www.eclex.bravehost.com

― E-Clex (E-Clex), Thursday, 27 April 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

It's reminding me of a slightly more credible Jem now :(
Not so good.

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 27 April 2006 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

You see, backlash even before the record is out!

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 27 April 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

It's better than Jem (rofl @ that recommendation), but I'm more keeping a cheek on the fence that I am backlashing ;)

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 27 April 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

i thought this was gonna be an e-street team thread. she's the featured artist on myspace right now.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 27 April 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

it probably is

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 27 April 2006 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

1) featured artist on myspace

2) "I'm in the Sun today and the Daily star"

MEH.

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 27 April 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

Video here:
http://exodus.interoutemediaservices.com/?id=adcf5599-9460-457a-aeeb-d9f3fc39a0a8&delivery=stream

She is, I think, unstoppable.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 27 April 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

I think she's fab, btw.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 27 April 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

lilly allen makes me wanna puke... she's a fucking dick.. her myspace profile looks like an add for go airlines.,

― endoftheline, Thursday, 27 April 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

She's absolutely awesome. Whether she's 100% authentic or totally fabricated, I'm still impressed. Her mixtape was really sweet and quite clever I though.

― Andrew (enneff), Friday, 28 April 2006 00:40 (nineteen years ago)

("thought")

― Andrew (enneff), Friday, 28 April 2006 00:40 (nineteen years ago)

I love that mix too, not looking forward to reading even more rubbish about the "myspace effect" though, although the Keith Allen connection might wise some people up to the fact that she's not exactly lacking for industry connections. Or access to her dad's record collection...

http://static.flickr.com/50/131662583_baa8e6850b_o.jpg
the lily allen effect = cuteness >>> my critical faculties

― fandango (fandango), Friday, 28 April 2006 00:49 (nineteen years ago)

She's playing Notting Hill Arts Club on the fourth of May and the three following Thursdays. I might go along. If any other ILXors moght, then give me an email, as I can't imagine any of the pitifully small circle of Londoners I've met thus far will be up for it:

live: Lily Allen (pictured), Big Roe, Ashok
decks: Lily Allen

Tonight Lily Allen is starting her Yoyo May residency. For an (almost) 21 year-old artist, she has been getting around somewhat! Freshly pictured for Vogue Magazine her music is sweet, fun and bringing together a whole host of influences. Lily is rumoured to be on Top of the Pops later this summer, so do come and see her close up while you still can before she goes Number 1. Especially since these are her first ever live appearances! Can't get any better now, can it....

Every Thursday, 6pm-2am, £5
NO TICKET PRE-SALES PLEASE COME DOWN EARLY

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Friday, 28 April 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

no credence on mixtape plz

― jergins (jergins), Monday, 1 May 2006 06:07 (nineteen years ago)

interview with lily here: http://squirrelfood.net/index.php?entryid=171

― will calhoun, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

she is KEITH ALLEN'S DAUGHTER.

― You'll Never Put a Better Bit of Butter On Your Knife (Dada), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

she looks like dastoor

― -++-+-+-+, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

Michael Carroll - This summers biggest hit?

― You'll Never Put a Better Bit of Butter On Your Knife (Dada), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

LDN = damn catchy

― StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

She's spammed here before, and I'm sure this is her brother or cousin or something, but whatever. I listened (so the spam worked), I thought it was ok. Not my thing. The original tunes were catchy, but the "mixtape" on her site was garbage -- no mixing skills whatsoever.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

By the way, calling an artist no one's ever heard of "this summer's biggest hit," his not the most effective way of cloaking your spam.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

the mixing on the mixtape is pretty bad. but the song selection's nice enough.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

She's absolutely awesome. Whether she's 100% authentic or totally fabricated, I'm still impressed. Her mixtape was really sweet and quite clever I though.

I like that we've set this dichotomy up early.

― deeej, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

What if she's 75% authentic but 25% fabricated, like she's got a cyborg arm?

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 03:15 (nineteen years ago)

Anybody got a tracklist for the mixtape (which I like fine; it's sort of like the mixtapes I make: bunch of songs I like)? This is what I get so far:

(1) Lily Allen "LDN," (2) Dizzee Rascal "Fix Up, Look Sharp," (3) some woman who isn't the S.O.S. band or Deborah Cox or Shabba Ranks or Rebel Princess doing a fetching reggae version of "Just Be Good To Me," (4) Lily Allen doing another of her songs, (5) Ludacris "The Potion," (6) Some Wu Tang–related thing (ODB? Clinton Sparks?), (7) some dancehall guy, (8) another dancehall guy, (9) Montana Slim? "My Swiss Moonlight Lullaby"? (10) Creedence Clearwater Revival "Born on the Bayou," (11) Lee Dorsey? "Get Out My Life Woman," (12) Rod Stewart/Faces "Stay With Me," (13) Squeeze? "Up the Junction"? (14) a Lily Allen original, (15) some grimish thing, (16) Specials "Friday Night, Saturday Morning," (17) some funky dubby thing, (18) some sweet French Europop thing, (19) Janet Kay? "Silly Games," (20) another Lily Allen original, (21) some junglish dancehall thing.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 05:31 (nineteen years ago)

By the way, calling an artist no one's ever heard of "this summer's biggest hit" is not the most effective way of cloaking your spam.

Frank Kogan, this summer's biggest hit. (I've been spamming here daily.)

(And more people have heard of her than have heard of me. She's getting 30,000 plays a day on her Myspace page.)

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 05:41 (nineteen years ago)

"(3) some woman who isn't the S.O.S. band or Deborah Cox or Shabba Ranks or Rebel Princess doing a fetching reggae version of "Just Be Good To Me,""

I haven't listened to the mix-tape, but perhaps this would be the Beats International version?

If she used the Smith & Mighty Remix of the same I would instantly agree to carry her children.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 05:58 (nineteen years ago)

it's beats international, but i don't think it's a remix, just the single edit. the odb track is "pop shots." the french tune is vanessa paradis, "joe le taxi" (great song title, damn) which i think means i need to hear more vanessa paradis.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 06:25 (nineteen years ago)

weirdly i received a mailout from EMI a few weeks back which mentioned Lily (she's on Regal imprint) - saying 'someone you are going to hear a lot more of in the next few months' - to which i glossed over and moved on.

now i find myself downloading the mixtape and wishing i had responded to the email to get a chance on the ultra limited 7".

pah.

― mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 07:17 (nineteen years ago)

I don't. I find the mixtape link not working, that's what I do.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 07:23 (nineteen years ago)

also - anyone see the Mark Ronson link in her myspace - this style of mixtape has markings of him all over it .. is he involved ?

xpost - mark - weird - i just grabbed it without any problems a few minutes ago ..

― mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 07:37 (nineteen years ago)

so... is Ronson her Diplo then?

― StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 07:41 (nineteen years ago)

ah ha - tis confirmed in her blog @ myspace ..
"so , I've been working with mark ronson on the album for the last week "
things become more clear ..
have to admit, i am loving this.

― mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 07:48 (nineteen years ago)

Without looking, I don't think Ronson's involved in the mixtape. I think they discovered each other fairly recently; he's only just now become one of her Myspace friends, though she did fly to NY so that she could DJ a club night with him (I think she was going to be in the U.S. anyway, he wasn't the only reason for the flight). I like it when people I've heard of show up as people's Myspace friends. Skye Sweetnam got a fellow named "Angry Samoan" early on, and recently got M.I.A.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 11:31 (nineteen years ago)

Beats International would seem right for "Just Be Good to Me" (in fact, I might once have owned that track; I remember a dub version called "Just Be Dub to Me"). Vanessa Paradis once made an LP that I consider a candidate for "Worst Album Ever Made" (it had a Velvets cover - "I'm Waiting for My Man," iirc - which was one of the less moribund tracks), but I've heard good tracks by her since then.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

She's the Jonah Goldberg of pop.

― The Mercury Krueger (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 11:56 (nineteen years ago)

I've not heard of Jonah Goldberg; he would be the Lily Allen of what?

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

ah so she's this year's MIA! I am interested in hearing her again.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

She needs to dress a lot more poorly to catch up to MIA.

― The Mercury Krueger (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

she was a guest on mark ronson's radio show on east village radio a couple of weeks ago. doesn't appear to be available as on demand download/listen anymore though. playlist here.

i think she's great...

― (jg) ((jg)), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

Tim: I would instantly agree to carry her children.

more than a few of us are going to feel like we've found a soulmate. dawning realisation over the past week: she is THAT good

Janet Kay, Ragga Twins, Ian Dury, Lily Allen...

― Paul (scifisoul), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

finally suss'd she reminds me of Polystyrene

― Paul (scifisoul), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

frank, the beats intl track is actually called "dub be good to me" (norman cook, so clever). i love that tune, have a cassingle of it somewhere. and yeah i'd never been too interested in v.paradis, but then i'd never heard any of her early french stuff either.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

at least one of the grimish things is More Fire Crew - Oi! I think the junglish track at the end is this http://www.discogs.com/release/157316 but I might be wrong (don't have the mix to hand right now) and it could be that bloke who caused a lot of fuss with that other hiccupy "in-in-credible" pop/jungle tune when it all kicked off (by claiming he invented the whole genre hehe).

― fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

On a "Just be Good to Me" tip, be sure to keep an ear out for this record, which is one of the worst I've ever heard:

"Just Be Good To Me" by Karmah
Release: 10 July (tbc)
We've been wanting to feature this all year and were delighted to hear that dance music's man of the moment Matt Jagger will release it in the UK on the Europa label. The elements are the Police Every Breath You Take guitarline, a rap that is just the right side of cheesy, and the Beats International chorus. Does it work? We think so - and it's an engrossing listen finding out. It's an Italian production from 1997 that did very little back then but its time has come. We heard about it when it start to hog the upper reaches of Shazam's German chart. It went on to spend three weeks at #5 on the German singles chart and it should be a pan- European smash.

My mum in Feb 1988 when Vanessa Paradis was on Top of the Pops for "Joe le Taxi" (No.3 in the UK): "I bet it's just paedophiles buying this record."

("Dub Be God To Me" was No.1 in the UK in Feb 1990.)

Bloke who caused a lot of fuss = M-Beat featuring General Levy "Incredible"

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

My mum in Feb 1988 when Vanessa Paradis was on Top of the Pops for "Joe le Taxi" (No.3 in the UK): "I bet it's just paedophiles buying this record."

haha, tell it to france gall.

("Dub Be God To Me" was No.1 in the UK in Feb 1990.)

yeah that came out during one of my u.k. sojourns. late '89 was a good time for the pop charts there.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

Finally got a chance to listen to some of her songs outside of that mixtape and I'm even more sure I like this a lot.

Her phrasing generally is spot on isn't it? She seems to know how to lift the lyrics into sounding really natural & spontaneous, comfortable even. Lily swings, which is actually pretty refreshing compared with a lot of ILM canon blitzkreig pop which tries like buggery to impress you into sensual submission yet ends up simply uptight for all the effort.

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 4 May 2006 08:19 (nineteen years ago)

xpost - thanks Raw Patrick

so... is the NME going to jump on the Lily bandwagon?

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 4 May 2006 08:45 (nineteen years ago)

she is KEITH ALLEN'S DAUGHTER.
:(

-- You'll Never Put a Better Bit of Butter On Your Knife (dadaismu...), May 2nd, 2006.

this is the bottom line, people.

― the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Thursday, 4 May 2006 08:58 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah but he's got loads of kids, hasn't he?

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 4 May 2006 09:08 (nineteen years ago)

none of us are in with a chance... so what difference does it make? :'(

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 4 May 2006 09:10 (nineteen years ago)

watching the video now - not sure about this actually.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 4 May 2006 09:51 (nineteen years ago)

We have yet to see how she feels about being sprog of Keith, but she does love her nan.

― suzy (suzy), Thursday, 4 May 2006 10:21 (nineteen years ago)

has anyone got that video in another format? I can't seem to get it to stream (yo Lily marketing dept - youtube?)

I like this but I'm still kinda sceptical about the mega-hype brewing for her... does she have any ballads incidentally? I'm not sure how much, if anything, of an emotional connection I'm getting from her music so far.

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 4 May 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

Lily Allen Playground

― JW (ex machina), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

I was a little surprised about the video, too, considering that LDN is by far her best song. You'd think they'd spend the big bucks on it.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

The album is called "Alright, Still" according to this here Google sponsored link....

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

Cheers Mark Ronson!

SF: You've worked with Mark Ronson on his album, and on your album. His Radiohead cover is hot, but your collaboration on a version of Kaiser Chiefs' "Oh My God" is just jaw-dropping!

SF: Did he pick the track and you to sing it, or did you have some say in it?

LA: I actually picked " no one knows " QOTSA , but he made me do " oh my god " as he thought my voice was better suited to it .

>:(

This can only end in tears...

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 4 May 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

does she have any ballads incidentally? I'm not sure how much, if anything, of an emotional connection I'm getting from her music so far.

I've just got back from seeing her live. It was great. More report tomorrow as long as I can skive at work long enough. One of the reasons I was into her is that "Smile" hit me emotionally like no other song this year.

I'm fucking covered in sweat right now. Yuck.

("No One Knows" would be much better than "I Predict a Riot". I feel RONSON is the only thing that can fuck this up for her.)

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 4 May 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

I fear this is the target Lady Sovereign has been spectacularly failing to hit for the last year.

Yes, Lily could well prove to be the Pat Boone to Lady Sov's Little Richard, although I quite like "LDN".

― John Hunter, Thursday, 4 May 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

It is very near the mark. Her A&R is the same guy who found Ms Dynamite.

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 5 May 2006 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

Am I the only one reminded of Nellie McKay?

― Matt LC (flightsatdusk), Friday, 5 May 2006 00:41 (nineteen years ago)

I'm loving Lily! "LDN" is one of the standout singles of the year so far.

― Tape Store (Tape Store), Friday, 5 May 2006 01:13 (nineteen years ago)

#8 is selectah "wede man" on hoody records (1993)

― DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Friday, 5 May 2006 02:27 (nineteen years ago)

i never want to hear this music

― strongo hulkington is a guy with a belly button piercing (dubplatestyle), Friday, 5 May 2006 02:28 (nineteen years ago)

i mean, the artist is name selectah

the jungle track at the end is origin unknown's "valley of the shadows (31 seconds)", omni trio VIP remix, right?

― DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Friday, 5 May 2006 02:29 (nineteen years ago)

dude the mix is GREAT! the only thing that lets it down is jammer's "go dj" (#15)

― DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Friday, 5 May 2006 02:30 (nineteen years ago)

i think i hate england

― strongo hulkington is a guy with a belly button piercing (dubplatestyle), Friday, 5 May 2006 02:31 (nineteen years ago)

Try not to hate… keith allen’s daughter or not, she can write some sweet lyrics. Anyway, those missing mixtape tunes are 9 is ‘She taught me to yodel’ by Peter Barry, the junglist tunes at the end are ‘Incredible’ by General Levy, not UK Apache and that ‘31 seconds’ tune is called Valley of the Shadows by Origin Unknown from about 1993 (I think) – like someone else said, the mixing is a bit rough but the tune selection is spot on, reminds me of my own tapes :)

― runforcover, Friday, 5 May 2006 03:29 (nineteen years ago)

i think she's adorable and her music is light & fun like most good pop(and I was totally not sold on MIA or Lady Sov, or Nellie McKay either)

― timmy tannin (pompous), Friday, 5 May 2006 05:09 (nineteen years ago)

LDN is the happiest song about pimps and crack whores and old ladies being mugged ever.

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 5 May 2006 05:37 (nineteen years ago)

I lean towards Jess's take for now. It's a case where reading about people's reactions to it probably says more than hearing the music itself.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 May 2006 05:43 (nineteen years ago)

the mixtape is good, though! "piracy is terrorism" = still great, right?

― DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Friday, 5 May 2006 05:49 (nineteen years ago)

for rough orientation, think nelly furtado.

(not an insult in my book.)

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 5 May 2006 05:50 (nineteen years ago)

Lily vs. M.I.A. is a troubling decision.

reasonably familiar, safe, bourgoise, appealing, genuine knack for vocals

"new" sounding, abrasive/exciting/radical popette, charmless, vocally annoying, little ability to own her tunes

It feels about as hip to choose the former as it did admitting that a lot of that Arctic Monkeys album was actually decent :/

― fandango (fandango), Friday, 5 May 2006 06:02 (nineteen years ago)

Lily vs. M.I.A. is a troubling decision.
reasonably familiar, safe, bourgoise, appealing, genuine knack for vocals
or

"new" sounding, abrasive/exciting/radical popette, charmless, vocally annoying, little ability to own her tunes

And which is who again?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 May 2006 06:05 (nineteen years ago)

This thread is doomed.

― fandango (fandango), Friday, 5 May 2006 06:10 (nineteen years ago)

and to reiterate, she put credence on her mixtape

― jergins (jergins), Friday, 5 May 2006 06:18 (nineteen years ago)

lol look what I have started, I am of no relation to Lily Allen nor do I work for her! jus like the music and thought I should spread the word... which I think i have done succesfully.
I don't like the video, jus looks cheap, cant fault the songs though.

E-clex
www.eclex.bravehost.com

― E-Clex (E-Clex), Friday, 5 May 2006 07:35 (nineteen years ago)

It's spelt Creedence. And Creedence rule.

(x-post)

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Friday, 5 May 2006 07:40 (nineteen years ago)

is this the beginning of a Creedence revival?

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 5 May 2006 07:42 (nineteen years ago)

(and yes, I'm sorry)

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 5 May 2006 07:44 (nineteen years ago)

You'd better put some clear water between you and this thread....

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 5 May 2006 07:54 (nineteen years ago)

Like Lady Sov or the miserable MIA if they had any talent At. All.

― David Orton (scarlet), Friday, 5 May 2006 08:02 (nineteen years ago)

The best thing I can imagine this being is the new Betty Boo but I have a horrible feeling I'm going to be disappointed. What exactly are the words Belle and Sebastian doing on this thread?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 5 May 2006 08:18 (nineteen years ago)

keith allen’s daughter or not, she can write some sweet lyrics

That's the first thing I always look for in any form of music - good lyrics

― Vitbe... *pause*... Is Good Bread (Dada), Friday, 5 May 2006 08:20 (nineteen years ago)

Wow this thread has gone from hype to backlash within the space of a week: that's a new ILM record!

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 5 May 2006 08:23 (nineteen years ago)

This is feeling more "like" cheese vs. chalk every post, and I'm regretting the Lady Sov comment quite a bit.

― fandango (fandango), Friday, 5 May 2006 08:25 (nineteen years ago)

actually i think the first strokes thread STARTED as backlash.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 5 May 2006 08:29 (nineteen years ago)

Doesn't count then. I haven't looked but I assume the Dave Matthews band one did too.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 5 May 2006 08:56 (nineteen years ago)

right, ok, i went to her myspace finally and she describes herself as "pop/indie/ska".

i never want to hear any of you so-called 'pop' 'kids' mention her name to me again.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 5 May 2006 09:28 (nineteen years ago)

Lily Allen.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 5 May 2006 09:32 (nineteen years ago)

If it ain't grindie, Lex ain't fucking with it these days.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 5 May 2006 10:00 (nineteen years ago)

in grindie mode

― the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Friday, 5 May 2006 10:09 (nineteen years ago)

Too bad Lex! I have now been made aware of exactly which "team" is working on this. I like LDN and will be blaring it out before I go out.

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 5 May 2006 10:18 (nineteen years ago)

the 'mixtape' sounds good.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 5 May 2006 10:47 (nineteen years ago)

dude the mix is GREAT! the only thing that lets it down is jammer's "go dj" (#15)

so's we don't get confused - "Go DJ" is by JAMMIN' (aka DJ Zinc) (NOT the later grime dude Jammer, whose early productions were routinely FABO!)
agreed re Zinc, most of that whole run of breakstep is dud
one tune at a time ain't bad though, whole night of em's excruciating

love Lily's mix!

― Paul (scifisoul), Friday, 5 May 2006 11:52 (nineteen years ago)

'Go DJ' was good but obv. in '138 Trek' shadow. The version I had featured this great stringy bit.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 5 May 2006 12:08 (nineteen years ago)

this music sounds like what would happen if someone locked nellie mckay in a room with only forced exposure's servicing as nourishment

― maura (maura), Friday, 5 May 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

Listen to the mixtape now. Great so far.

"LDN" sounded pretty good on first listen, but I think that "Smile" song on the mixtape is even better, a lovely summer jam. Old bluebeat tune plus cheeky cockernee singing works for me.

― Jeff W, Friday, 5 May 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

this music sounds like what would happen if someone locked nellie mckay in a room with only forced exposure's servicing as nourishment

ROFFLE

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 May 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

9 is 'She taught me to yodel' by Peter Barry... and that '31 seconds' tune is called Valley of the Shadows by Origin Unknown from about 1993

Agree that 9 isn't Montana Slim as I'd originally thought, but, um, which one is that '31 seconds' tune? I'm still not getting a name for 7 some dancehall guy, 8 another dancehall guy, and 17 some funky dubby thing (one of which may be 31 seconds for all I know).

Only heard two or three Nellie McKay songs but once upon a time read scads of Forced Exposures, and I'm not perceiving Lily having much connection to either Nellie or FE. I suppose she's closer to them than to the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, but still not particularly close. I mean, I doubt she's fucked a pig in her life.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 6 May 2006 02:48 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, as far as I know, Lily got her first ILX mention on the teenpop thread, so classic.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 6 May 2006 02:55 (nineteen years ago)

#8 is selectah "wede man" on hoody records (1993)
-- DEEDS NOT WORDS (vfoz...) (webmail), May 4th, 2006 8:27 PM. (vahid) (later)

the jungle track at the end is origin unknown's "valley of the shadows (31 seconds)", omni trio VIP remix, right?
-- DEEDS NOT WORDS (vfoz...) (webmail), May 4th, 2006 8:29 PM. (vahid) (later)

uh, hello?

― Captain TeenTalk (vahid), Saturday, 6 May 2006 04:54 (nineteen years ago)

Lily's stuff is pretty good! Not so much M.I.A. or Lady Sov for me - more like The Streets' "Let's Push Things Forward" meets Ms Dynamite's "Dynamitee" and lots of Lina. Lex you will really like it!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 6 May 2006 12:12 (nineteen years ago)

But her voice reminds me a lot of Martina Topley-Bird, plus the Morcheeba singer.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 6 May 2006 12:14 (nineteen years ago)

Who wants to bet Lily will voice a song on the next Basement Jaxx album?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 6 May 2006 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

(i meant forced exposure the publicity company, not the zine)

(also, i actually *like* this stuff! i listened to 'ldn' about six times yesterday.)

― maura (maura), Saturday, 6 May 2006 12:43 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.lilyallenmusic.com/music/demos/5geuj0iedc/MyFirstMixtape.mp3

does this mean there's mnore than one mix? her site seems to be down...

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Saturday, 6 May 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

i meant forced exposure the publicity company, not the zine

I knew exactly what you meant!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 May 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

Mark Ronson is pimpin' her stuff on his weekly radio show (stream available) :

Playlist for 05.05.06
(...)
Lily Allen Smile
Mark Ronson Oh My God feat. Lily Allen
(...)

oooh, and he's into our buddy Mickey Avalon too, apparently.

― StanM (StanM), Saturday, 6 May 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

lets start talking major labels - do you think shes gonna get signed by jay-z to def jam or lil jon to BME? i think if lumidee can have a hit lily allen can have TEN hits! i cant wait til she performs on the grammies with ghostface, kelly clarkson, three 6 mafia, big'n'rich, clipse and dipset!!!

― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Saturday, 6 May 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

I like the Lily song that's fourth on the mixtape quite a bit more than LDN. Less bouncy and twee-sounding, she does more singing.

― milo z (mlp), Saturday, 6 May 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

omg this is awesome! lex you are crazy if you don't listen to this!

― toby (tsg20), Saturday, 6 May 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

Reminds me of McKay (not Nellie).

― JoB (JoB), Saturday, 6 May 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

Ian?

― milo z (mlp), Saturday, 6 May 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

"some sweet French Europop thing"

I had a cynical wish that this was going to be Desireless "Voyage Voyage"....

― al dada (JTS), Saturday, 6 May 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

Actually just listened to "Shame On You," which does sound like something that Nellie McKay might do. Apologies. (And I'm still confused about which track on the mixtape is supposed to be General Levy and which Origin Unknown. That's what threw me. Sorry for being so dense.) (And still not knowing #7, either. Is #17 the General Levy? I've not heard General Levy before, obv., or Origin Unknown.)

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 7 May 2006 11:49 (nineteen years ago)

Lex won't like it, people who like pop in 'the wrong way' like it and she actually admits to being quite indie despite being a girl which as we all know makes her a GENDER TRAITOR. ;)

I want to like LDN - I really like her voice, that kind of crackly-forties-radio winsome tone, but I can't stand the lyrics and the tune's pretty flimsy. I got bored of the mixtape pretty quick as well, her songs didn't stand up that well with what surrounded them, sadness.

― permanent revolution (cis), Sunday, 7 May 2006 12:08 (nineteen years ago)

"LDN" is the weakest tune of the ones I've heard though, i reckon. I much prefer "Shame For You" and "Not Big" and "Smile".

And many people who like M.I.A. are people who like pop "in the wrong way".

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 7 May 2006 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

Frank, you should hear General Levy's "Diamonds & Pearls", a great ragga-pop take on SWV's "I'm So Into You" rhythm.

― Paul (scifisoul), Sunday, 7 May 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

I probably would want to hear General Levy's "Diamonds & Pearls," but I still don't know which song on the mixtape is General Levy's "Incredible." Is it 17 (which I dubbed "some funky dubby thing") or is it 21 ("some junglish dance hall thing")? If the latter, then which track is Origin Unknown "Valley of the Shadows (31 Seconds)"? And who does song 7? (Sorry to be obtuse, if I'm missing something or not hearing where the lyrics give it away; I only got four hours of sleep last night.)

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 7 May 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

My favorite pop group ever is the Rolling Stones c. 1965, unless it's the Stooges in the early '70s. So I probably listen to pop in the wrong way too. But I can see how fans of "Sunshine Superman" and "Cruel Summer" and "Steal My Sunshine" and "Summertime" (the Fresh Prince number) - e.g., me - would like "LDN" too, even if they somehow manage to listen to pop in the right way. It has "summer song" written all over it. (Not guaranteed to break big on U.S. radio, however, since "CHR Rhythmic" and "rock" stations will probably steer clear, and calypso ska hasn't been breaking on CHR Pop since No Doubt changed its sound.)

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 7 May 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

Frank, I don't have Lily's mix open, but you can quickly hear what Origin Unknown "Valley Of The Shadows (31 Seconds)" sounds like (scintillating plinkyness), here:
http://www.htfr.com/vinyl/artist/?artist=ORIGIN_UNKNOWN
click on the second mp3 from the top, i.e. the one for the infamous shop's cat#: MR11235

― Paul (scifisoul), Sunday, 7 May 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks Paul.

had a cynical wish that this was going to be Desireless "Voyage Voyage"...

Which I've never heard, believe it or not, though I've got two different versions in Spanish ("Vuela Vuela"). What's cynical about wanting to hear it?

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 7 May 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

ONLY BRITISH MUSIC MAKING MONEY IN AMERICA IS ROCK MUSIC

NOT FAKE HIPSTER DANCEHALL

NOT TWEE GRIME

NOT REAL GRIME

STOP WASTING TIME FANTASIZING HOW WACK SHIT LIKE THIS WILL DO ON OUR POP CHARTS

THIS CHICK WILL BE LUCKY TO MOVE A 1000 UNITS IN HER OWN COUNTRY

NOW

DONT GET ME WRONG

I FUCK WITH UNDERGROUND SHIT THAT BRICKS TOO

BUT I DO NOT SPEND ALL DAY DRESSING UP MY RAS KASS PAPER DOLLS & WRITING GAY FAN FICTION ABOUT KILLAH PRIEST HOLDING HANDS WITH YOUNG JEEZY ON 106 & PARK

WHY DO THAT WITH SOME TWEE GARBAGE THAT WILL SELL 1/1000th AS MANY COPIES BUT GET 100000x AS MUCH PRESS????????

THAT IS ALL

― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Sunday, 7 May 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

I quite liked her until I found out the Keith Allen thing. Such is the extent of my dislike for her Dad that I now find it impossible to like her. Deeply unfair, I know, but there you go.

― chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Sunday, 7 May 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

I quite liked her until I found out the Keith Allen thing. Such is the extent of my dislike for her Dad that I now find it impossible to like her. Deeply unfair, I know, but there you go.

I agree totally.

Lily Allen's sales: Higher than Mia's, lower than Estelle's.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 7 May 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

Right, I get it: #20 is a mashup of the Origin Unknown track and one of Lily's own songs. And so I deduce that #21 is General Levy - which still leaves #s 7 and 17, unless one of you identified them upthread and I missed the identification.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 7 May 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

A few of her lyrics make me wince actually... It's odd watching this thread develop knowing it's a fait accompli that she's going to be huge whatever you say.

She's alright, pleasant, cheery, a bit individual & doesn't blend into the background (production, personality or otherwise) like a majority of pop at the moment. I think she's going to be oversold relative to how good she actually is (see also: Arctic Monkeys) as a result of the otherwise drab state of English chart pop (that isn't some kind of house-dance) in general.

I dunno, I might just delete those mp3's and wait for the album. I think all of these songs are going to sound much better on that somehow. I think my favourite of hers might be "everything's just fine" actually. The lo-fi-ness already suits the 60's kitsch-en sink backing to a tee there.

― fandango (fandango), Sunday, 7 May 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

Lily Allen's sales: Higher than Mia's, lower than ~~Estelle~~ Arctic Monkeys.

― fandango (fandango), Sunday, 7 May 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

higher than wiley, lower than goldie lookin chain

― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Sunday, 7 May 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

about the lyrics wincing thing, definitely otm.

― Tommy Tannoy (Tommy Tannoy), Sunday, 7 May 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

THIS CHICK WILL BE LUCKY TO MOVE A 1000 UNITS IN HER OWN COUNTRY

Nah, I just think this is wrong. She has big potential over here (UK): she will get press because of her dad; she will get radio play because Radio 1 has the shits for novelty sounding stuff and everyone must get sick of turgid misery-rock soon; she will not have a career, but she will have a hit single for sure, and maybe a reasonable-selling album. OK doesn't mean much but it's better than nothing. I think what UK folks on here are hooked by is the crossover potential which e.g. Annie and MIA never really had.

― alext (alext), Sunday, 7 May 2006 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

yeah cuz ppl never deluded themselves about MIA & annie's crossover potential right

― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Sunday, 7 May 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

i think i hate england

Yeah, that James Blunt guy is terrible, though I must admit an affection for David Niven in The Pink Panther.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 7 May 2006 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

Where does that terrible Mockney twang come from? No one actually talks like that, surely?

The Lex's rant about Lily Allen in the early hours of this morning was very entertaining. I believe the words 'Aryan' and 'RacistJustice' were used, somewhat unsurprisingly.

I don't like any of this stuff really - it sort of reminds me of Feist with a more self-consciously fashionable slant. And surely everyone's cottoned onto cod-ska as the surefire way of showing off how diverse your influences are without alienating good old Johnny Recordbuyer?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 7 May 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

I'd have thought the poverty tourism aspect of "LDN" would be right up Lex's street.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 7 May 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

Have you heard any kids listening to Lily Allen on the bus? Of course not.

I like the video actually, but mostly for the 'ooh, zooming around London' aspect. She is on top of Primrose Hill in one bit = none more Belle and Sebastian.

I predict her first album will be massive.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 7 May 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

If they rush it out for the Mercury, they'll kill her career. If they hold off until the second single gets a full release, they *may* be onto something. Or, again, they may have a new Estelle on their hands.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 7 May 2006 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

[Voyage Voyage] What's cynical about wanting to hear it?

In contrast to all the other stuff on that mixtape I would find it HIGHLY amusing..... Cynical because it would reveal some chilling insights into Ms. Allen's tastes!

― al dada (JTS), Sunday, 7 May 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

OMG I CEN TEL TEH FUSHURE AN EYE SEE DAT HOT CHIK WIL NT CELL ANNIETING!

― timmy tannin (pompous), Monday, 8 May 2006 00:21 (nineteen years ago)

Lex won't like it, people who like pop in 'the wrong way' like it and she actually admits to being quite indie despite being a girl which as we all know makes her a GENDER TRAITOR. ;)

isn't this way of talking about music actually ultra-indie?!

― toby (tsg20), Monday, 8 May 2006 02:26 (nineteen years ago)

Girls in skirts riding bikes = hot

― Jeff. (Jeff), Monday, 8 May 2006 02:54 (nineteen years ago)

"Alfie" has something. "Puppet on a string" mainly.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 8 May 2006 07:38 (nineteen years ago)

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LILY-ALLEN-LDN-Knock-Em-Out-7-V-LTD-500_W0QQitemZ4876564079QQcategoryZ58669QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 8 May 2006 07:47 (nineteen years ago)

I'd have thought the poverty tourism aspect of "LDN" would be right up Lex's street.

what you think i've bothered to listen to her yet?! I CAN'T DOWNLOAD, PEOPLE. i haven't heard any arctic monkeys songs yet either!

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 8 May 2006 08:02 (nineteen years ago)

I've got it now: LDN reminds me of White Town.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 08:13 (nineteen years ago)

observer music monthly's 'favourite myspace band'?

wow kewl.

― the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 08:26 (nineteen years ago)

lex, i'm with you on this -- can't be naffed to actually hear her stuff either. i challenge you to hold out on this one till she's unhep.

― the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 08:27 (nineteen years ago)

Dear ILM,

Keep on hyping please. I've bought two tickets for the Bush Hall gig on July 18th and I want to rake in some eBay £££.

Cheers,

― anonymous trout, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 09:06 (nineteen years ago)

LDN is off the net/her MySpace because of you! (ok, maybe)

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 12 May 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

people who like pop in 'the wrong way' like it

What does this mean?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Friday, 12 May 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

From her blog:

a couple of girls were pushing me back saying "we were here ages ago, you can't just push to the front" and i almost felt like hiding there in the crowd and not doing the show at all, but politely I said " I've gotta sing though"

that sounds like hype to me

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Friday, 12 May 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

I know her press officer and really, he's got much better things to do than pseudoblog on MySpace (he is usually busy looking after Kylie and the PSBs). FWIW Keith Allen has kids by different mums, and Lily lives with her mum not far from me, in a normal neighbourhood.

What I do like is that she is already promising to be a gobby wee shite in interviews.

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 12 May 2006 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

Close readers of the Observer this weekend may have spotted this -- but that looked awfully like Lily Allen on the cover of next week's Observer Music Monthly.

― alext (alext), Monday, 15 May 2006 06:04 (nineteen years ago)

Her reactions to the critics do seem really honest, I think:

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=36707169&blogID=120647233

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=36707169&blogID=120705431

― StanM (StanM), Monday, 15 May 2006 06:41 (nineteen years ago)

However, reacting to criticism in public = DUD.

― StanM (StanM), Monday, 15 May 2006 06:46 (nineteen years ago)

But it happens a lot (round here)

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 May 2006 06:51 (nineteen years ago)

Ok, that's true... I guess it's a subjective thing. (round here) is less public than a MySpace page that has had over a million page views - also, it feels less dud if the artist in question has already had a career for a while (e.g. Nick Cave writing Scum about Nick Snow).

Haven't thought this one through, to be honest. Why do I feel it's not a smart move on her part, especially because her career is only starting, but it's awfully honest and endearing at the same time?

― StanM (StanM), Monday, 15 May 2006 07:14 (nineteen years ago)

ok i have heard lily allen now, she sounds like the kaiser chiefs/ordinary boys (ie fucking awful). of course she has commercial possibilities, she is in exactly that vein of nme indie-ska which is all over the charts right now! and like everything else that genre has vomited up she's appalling.

stop calling her pop!

also please come back britney.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 15 May 2006 07:32 (nineteen years ago)

Alex that's a bizarre comparison though! She's totally in the space between The Streets and Ms Dynamite - precisely, the exact space between "Dynamitee" and "Let's Push Things Forward". How is that anything at all do with Kaiser Chiefs or "NME indie-ska" (whatever that is?!?!)

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 15 May 2006 07:41 (nineteen years ago)

she's in the same vein as the streets, yes (i hate the streets! she is more like recent streets than opm, too), but i'm not hearing ANY dynamite (or indeed lina) in what she does at all.

it's that oompa-oompa ska vibe in all of the songs i've heard (not all of them, i couldn't be bothered after a while) which really puts me off.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 15 May 2006 07:44 (nineteen years ago)

Well, once it's out, it'll be everywhere. It's true.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 May 2006 08:00 (nineteen years ago)

I get the feeling the reviews are trying to categorise you ... and not quite getting it, because they are used record label manufactured acts, with well-trained PR etc

lololololololololololololololololololololololololol

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 May 2006 08:54 (nineteen years ago)

dear spambot: I believe in you. Do you really have so many websites? What's your favourite?

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 May 2006 08:58 (nineteen years ago)

http://f.chtah.com/i/43/393014865/omm_may_head.jpg

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 19 May 2006 08:21 (nineteen years ago)

She's already being mashed up! (with Busta Rhymes, in this case)

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 19 May 2006 08:30 (nineteen years ago)

Also headlined on that OMM cover--Pele and Justin Lee Collins (or that other one with a similar name) bcz people don't want music in there music mags.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Friday, 19 May 2006 09:05 (nineteen years ago)

the mixtape is quite awful. her songs were ok however.

― a.b. (alanbanana), Friday, 19 May 2006 10:16 (nineteen years ago)

she looks like an Eastenders actress

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 19 May 2006 10:48 (nineteen years ago)

oh god omm is breaking an act.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Friday, 19 May 2006 10:53 (nineteen years ago)

The MySpace questions must pop up, too…

"Oh yes. I love MySpace , it’s done an amazing job for me and it’s been insane over the past couple of weeks, but I’m not a poster girl for them. And as much as newspapers like to say I got signed because of MySpace, I actually signed my deal in September last year and I set up my MySpace page in November."

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Friday, 19 May 2006 11:22 (nineteen years ago)

I was at the Lily gig at YoYo last thursday, and it wasnt as bad as people were making out. Yes the sound was bad, but the crowd had a great time, and Lilys voice shone through.

pics/review at http://www.musiclikedirt.com

― neil365, Monday, 22 May 2006 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

That OMM article was horrid. "I had a really hard upbringing". OK, fair enough, posh people can have rough times being brought up as well. What incidents scarred the young Lily for life?

Sometimes she handed her homework in late, and she used to get dragged to dinner parties.

....

Yeah, those were the main concerns I had as a kid as well, it speaks to Lily's strength that she managed to come through those two monstrosities. Maybe a new postergirl for Childline?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

I quite like the music of 'LDN' but I dislike the Londoncentric sentiment of it all.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

Keith couldn't help her with her homework because he had to ponce about with a load of monks for a New Order video, that's why it was late?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

i posted this elsewhere, but basically, if you take the downward spiral of lady sov's singles thus far, and fast forward five years or so on the same trajectory, you end up with lily allen.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 22 May 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

Having listened to her mixtapes, i'm pretty unimpressed and not interested in this buzz. sounds ok and poppy but I really don't see why all the fuss.
anyone who thinks this is better/more exciting than the coming nelly furtado's singles is crazy.

― AleXTC (AleXTC), Monday, 22 May 2006 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

good point re Furtado.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 22 May 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

I really haven't missed those mp3's AT ALL since I deleted them :|

― fandango (fandango), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

interested - or has the backlash really kicked in :

http://www.lilyallenmusic.com/music/demos/csd23dsms7/LilyAllenMixTape2.mp3

also - i suspect i am not the only one - but the album is now out there doing the rounds - better or worse than expected ?

currently i am not in mood for this, but initial spins reveals a lot of easy reggae loops, and, while it will be perfect when in the right frame of mind, the compact 37 minutes playing time seems just about right.

track listing :

smile
knock'em out
ldn
everythings just wonderful
not big
friday night
shame for you
littlest things
take what you take
friend of mine
alfie

― mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

I'm still interested in the album actually, but can wait for the CD.

― fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

ooooh.

i best qualify - when i said "doing the rounds" .. i meant proper promo cds - not those naughty ILM banned kind of areas of the net.

― mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

when i said "doing the rounds" .. i meant proper promo cds

so it's "out" by tomorrow then? okays

― fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

I'm kind of thinking we need a thread for the death of the "promo" lately. It certainly changes music mags/websites less powerful, opining on near everything a month or more after everyone has already heard it.

― fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

I think there is one already actually but it was kind of ... zzz

― fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

proper date : july 17th.

and is the death of the promo a totally bad thing ?

i think not (unless nicely packaged like this one is), in fact the days when the letterbox doesn't rattle are actually my favourite.

jaded, me ? too fuckin' right.

― mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

Here's a news story about the album from the NME

http://www.nme.com/news/fat-les/23205

I only post it for one reason. Can you tell what it is?

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 1 June 2006 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

To remind us to add Fat Les to our MyNME Artists?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 1 June 2006 10:09 (nineteen years ago)

You are on the munny.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 1 June 2006 10:10 (nineteen years ago)

"Is there money in the box?"
"No, I'm in here myself."
(Billy Connolly, Solo Concert, 1973: "Glasgow Accents")

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 1 June 2006 10:23 (nineteen years ago)

Lily Allen to sample "D.I.V.O.R.C.E." for next single, plans to mention her rough upbringing in a Romanian orphanage on it.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 1 June 2006 10:25 (nineteen years ago)

I'd like to hear her tackle "Nobody's Child" in the Glasgow pub singer style.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 1 June 2006 10:27 (nineteen years ago)

wow, this mixtape is kind of a guilty pleasure...

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 1 June 2006 12:43 (nineteen years ago)

does anyone else hear a watered down lauryn hill here?

― Idle Idle (idleidleidle), Thursday, 1 June 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

Seems kind of sly way to promote the album (and her). Cool by association you know, mark e I'm getting the impression the album itself is not going to be to this what Aruler was to Piracy Funds Terrorism??

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 1 June 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

Oh god the Kaiser Chiefs cover.. nooo! And the gunshot stuff, ffs. Not from a nice actors daughter please.

I am so off this bandwagon right here. Fuck one summery pop record I'll find another. UGH. I have a limit.

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 1 June 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

Girls Aloud are doing "I Predict A Riot" at their gigs!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 1 June 2006 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

and was there? Shouldn't it be "We predict a riot" ?

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 1 June 2006 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

I can sort of hear that one working, if I squint, sad to say... Girls Aloud are at least going for terrace anthem material (and playing arenas) in the first place. Big hooks, populist as you can get.

From Lily (or Mia, or the Sugababes) it seems like a desperate, sad manouver or retreat.

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 1 June 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

Doesn't seem to have been any riots at the gigs thus far. I'm seeing them at Wembley Arena on Saturday so will report back.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 1 June 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

HI DERE!

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BLIGHTED
Americans’ fitful appetite for British pop.
by SASHA FRERE-JONES
Issue of 2006-06-05
Posted 2006-05-29

If you have a song in your heart and can’t get onto “American Idol,” think about buying a plane ticket. In the nineteen-fifties, American blues records found their way to England and caused young Britons like John Lennon and Keith Richards to start their own bands and record cover versions of songs by Muddy Waters and the Isley Brothers. (Lennon and Richards reportedly went on to write their own material.) Soon, England became a destination for American pop musicians looking to establish themselves. The U.K. has a state-sponsored radio conglomerate, the BBC, which almost everyone listens to, and a long tradition of music weeklies competing to herald the arrival of the hottest new pop act. In September of 1966, Jimi Hendrix went to London and hired an English rhythm section. When he returned home, nine months later, he had scored three top-ten singles in the U.K. and had landed an American record contract. In 2001, the British weekly New Musical Express, known as NME, anointed a little-known New York band called the Strokes as the Next Big Thing, convincingly enough to make it true, at least for a year.

The musical traffic flows in both directions, and English pop acts are currently faring as well in the States as they have at any time since the early eighties, when Duran Duran, Culture Club, and Wham! dominated MTV with their cheery, decadent songs and ruffled outfits. The anthemic yet cuddly rock band Coldplay, which sounds like a less belligerent version of U2, has sold three million copies of its recent album “X & Y.” James Blunt, a hunky former British Army officer, has achieved omnipresence with his daft ballad “You’re Beautiful,” a pledge to a woman whom the singer glimpsed once. (“I’ve got a plan,” Blunt announces, suggesting that he may intend to stalk his dream girl, but he opts instead for the historically proven approach of braying “You’re beautiful” nine times.) Finally, “Unwritten,” an agile pop album by Natasha Bedingfield, has sold half a million copies on the strength of the title track, a perky compendium of self-help mottoes.

These musicians don’t sound all that similar. Coldplay’s better songs are miniature epics that suggest vast stores of emotion; Bedingfield is a clean-cut pop singer with a knack for R. & B.; and Blunt satisfies an enduring if baffling need for men who mewl without their shirts on. Nevertheless, they have several crucial things in common: their lyrics tend to be uplifting; they lack identifiably English accents, and they avoid British slang unfamiliar to Americans. These attributes are what distinguish their music from another strain of mainstream English pop, which rarely makes it big in the States, even when it should.

An implicit embargo began in the fifties, with Cliff Richard, England’s answer to Elvis Presley, who had to wait almost twenty years for his first American hit, and reached its height with Robbie Williams, a former boy-band singer who is a superstar everywhere but here. The Arctic Monkeys, one of NME’s recent picks, are the latest British pop sensation to have got stuck at customs. Logistical factors—the comparative ability of independents and majors to promote acts, the tight strictures of radio—are partly to blame, but the bigger problem is one of accents and attitude. If your songs are cynical, ironic, or misanthropic, and loaded with references to Tesco or “tracky bottoms tucked in socks,” Americans may simply turn the dial.

Robbie Williams, originally a member of the band Take That, struck out on his own in the mid-nineties and became a favorite of the British tabloids. He looks like a young Sean Connery gone to seed, and delights in bragging about his dissolute behavior. A duet called “Kids,” which Williams recorded in 2000 with Kylie Minogue—an Australian singer who has also had trouble gaining traction in America—sums up the dark British sophistication that amounts to self-imposed quarantine. The verses unfold over an irresistible, shifting dance beat and segue into a titanic rock chorus that suggests ABBA singing over an AC/DC track. The lyrics, though, don’t encourage the kind of identification that kids like to have with pop stars. Williams and Minogue dismantle the fourth wall in the very first verse—“We’ll paint by numbers till something sticks. We don’t mind doing it for the kids”—and Williams, after trading suggestive lines with Minogue, ends the song with this rap: “Single-handedly raising the economy, ain’t no chance of the record company dropping me. Press be asking ‘Do I care for sodomy?’ I don’t know—yeah, probably.”

The Arctic Monkeys are an independent rock band, a genre in which sunny dispositions are hardly the norm. Even so, Alex Turner, the twenty-year-old lead singer and songwriter, manages to summon the intractable bleakness of someone three times his age and much less successful. The band built its audience by playing live shows—constantly, all over England—and by giving away its songs as MP3s on Myspace.com. When its remarkable album, “Whatever People Say I Am, That’s What I’m Not,” was released, in January, it sold more than three hundred and fifty thousand copies in the first week, making it the fastest-selling début in British history. (So much for the idea that giving away your music hurts sales.)

Turner is a prodigy at both character sketches and song form, able to describe the marginal life of a streetwalker (“She don’t do major credit cards, I doubt she does receipts, it’s all not quite legitimate”) and fickle fans ( “ ’Cause all you people are vampires, and all your stories are stale, and though you pretend to stand by us, I know you’re certain we’ll fail”) in deceptively casual lyrics, which he delivers in a thick Yorkshire accent. “Whatever People Say” has sold a hundred and seventy-eight thousand copies in America, a respectable number for an independent release, but it has fallen from a high of No. 24 on the Billboard charts, in March, to No. 139. The Monkeys’ live performances make it clear that, though they play furiously, they aren’t willing to smile or dance in order to sell their songs. At Webster Hall in March, Turner and his three bandmates wore tennis shirts and corduroys, and much of the time they stood stock still, seemingly uninterested in production values like jumping up and down. Turner’s words can’t be twisted into feel-good phrases; he expresses himself with a lapidary precision that shuns poetic cover. When he finishes the long, solo introduction to “When the Sun Goes Down,” a song about a prostitute and her pimp, he spits, “I said he’s a scumbag, don’t you know.”

“I Bet You Look Good on the Dancefloor,” which was a single in the U.K., is another combination of robust dance rock and deep disdain. When Turner sings the title phrase, and follows with “I don’t know if you’re looking for romance or, I don’t know what you’re looking for,” it doesn’t sound like he’s musing over the magical possibilities of a night out. In fact, if you’ve heard enough Arctic Monkeys songs, you know that nights routinely end with somebody going home with the wrong person, a fight breaking out, and everyone—except the guy who’s singing—regretting it all in the morning.

Americans are comfortable with certain kinds of moral ambiguity—hard rock and hip-hop are full of harsh conclusions and unpleasant world views—but we prefer our British bands to be picker-uppers. Somewhere, an American record label is trying to figure out whether Lily Allen is our kind of British. Allen, a twenty-one-year-old singer, is earning deserved raves in the London press and on music blogs. The daughter of the British comedian Keith Allen, she was signed in December by Parlophone on the basis of her delightful, ska-inflected songs, which are now available for download on her Myspace page. (She has given just four live performances, all within the past month and at the same London club.)

“LDN,” a lighthearted rap about her home town, has been released as a single, along with a low-budget digital video of Allen bicycling innocently around London. The track is built on a calypso loop, and Allen’s voice tends to lilt and skip, as if she were singing along to some of her favorite songs while walking down the street. In an accent dismissed in one British paper as “mockney” (a middle-class imitation of Cockney), she celebrates London on a sunny day, airily wondering, “Why, oh why, would I want to be anywhere else?” But she cannot avoid her countrymen’s realist tendencies, and, as the first verse closes, you can hear the soft thump of record executives dropping their heads to the table: “Everything seems to look as it should, but I wonder what goes on behind doors. A fella looking dapper, and he’s sitting with a slapper, then I see it’s a pimp and his crack whore.”

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 1 June 2006 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

I was actually going to post that I'm surprised to notice that almost all of Lily's songs verge on spiteful. I guess "Sunday Morning" isn't, but it's hardly straightforwardly positive (basically "yeah I like you but please don't say "I love you" because I can't say it back and it'll be really awkward if I have to choose between lying and not saying anything and telling the truth"). "Nan, You're A Window Shopper" is mean, albeit in a gentle way. "Not Big" ridicules men. "Shame For You" ridicules men and threatens physical violence courtesy of aggressive vengeful brothers...

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 1 June 2006 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

I bet her brother Alfie must be pissed off too...

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 1 June 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

Nick Sylvester wrote kind of a rant about her lyrics (on his blog). Yeah the "mean, albeit in a gentle way" lyric of that tune really is the one that makes me wince that I mentioned upthread. There's a lack of empathy about the crackwhores etc in LDN that sits very uneasily too. Ridiculous sentence (am I that sensitive?) but I can't be the only one to think it?

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 1 June 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

That line rubs me the wrong way too but it's hard to put my finger on it. Because it comes from the perspective of everything looking right but not being "right," - it's not like she's sympathetic to the crack whore, it's just not right that the crack whore exists because it seems to disrupt her pretty picture.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

fandango.
can't really comment re arular/piracy issue as i much prefer the piracy mixtape over the album proper, diplo's manic sonic chaos hit me a lot more than the clean studio versions, whereas with Lily i prefer the album proper.
go figure.

― mark e (mark e), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

i've had LDN going round in my head all day although i suspect that i'm one of the people that tim would say "likes pop in the wrong way" whatever the hell that's supposed to mean.

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

lily allen talking smack about crack whores is enough to make me a rockist.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

i say go for it!

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

It's taken me about two weeks to go from loving it to finding her incredibly annoying. I think the spitefulness of the lyrics as mentioned is part of it (I don't like the normalification of "whore" and "slapper" as descriptive terms), but the mockneyness is just vomitous.

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

well I still like her, so poo

― Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

oh. i sooo know this is a time limited album. but until then ..

― mark e (mark e), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

I don't get why she's getting New Yorker coverage.

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

well I still like her, so poo

Good for you! She just reminds me of the Britpop novelty song era, i.e. fun at the pub the first few times, then a precipitous drop into being grating for the rest of time.

Her lyrics aren't that good though, are they? Sort of generic rhyming-dictionary stuff you'd knock out during a boring history lesson.

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

you can enjoy the music without liking *her*. i really like "Knock Em Out" as a clever, snarky song but if i heard some girl moaning about men constantly hitting on her, only decorum would keep me from offering her a delicious knuckle sandwich.

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

ILM smokes crack.

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

chuck check yr gmail

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

uh, why is a girl complaining about getting hit on so enraging?

― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

misplaced jealousy for the easy access to casual sex of females i think.

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

.. of good looking ones, I guess. Where's Calumn for a quite thesedays?

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

The actual experience of being hit on by any drunken middle aged person in sight being less appealing than might be imagined if the sexes were reversed...

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

not enraging per se, please to exaggerate for comic effect. but cmon, IRL complaining about men offering to light your cigarette when you're fumbling to find your lighter in your handbag? how is that in any way intrusive? also telling people that they can't have your number because you've lost your phone = obnoxious. it's cute in the song, but people who actually complain about this are k-dud in real life.

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

"i've had LDN going round in my head all day although i suspect that i'm one of the people that tim would say "likes pop in the wrong way" whatever the hell that's supposed to mean. "

Jed I was quoting cispontine:

"Lex won't like it, people who like pop in 'the wrong way' like it and she actually admits to being quite indie despite being a girl which as we all know makes her a GENDER TRAITOR. ;)"

I think it's supposed to mean people who only like pop when it earns indie cred points and distances itself from its own popness - hence me arguing that if this line applies to Lily it applies doubly so to M.I.A.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 1 June 2006 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

"telling people that they can't have your number because you've lost your phone = obnoxious"

I would say that this is pretty normal behaviour for any girl getting hit on by someone they don't wanna be hit on by. It causes less trouble than saying "no"

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 1 June 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

man, that song, "LDN". that is evil. pure pop evil. i loves it.

― Emily B (Emily B), Thursday, 1 June 2006 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

Not enough backlash, not enough pictures.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Thursday, 1 June 2006 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

ah tim, i see. thanks for the clarification despite my grumpy post.

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 1 June 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

The bottom line is her songs are just nothing special and she will be forgotten quickly.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 1 June 2006 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

I can't help but feel that if ILM had existed in the late 80s it would be saying the same about, say, Betty Boo! RIP ILM Popism!

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 1 June 2006 23:48 (nineteen years ago)

But she has a great publicist. Is Keith Allen a big name in the U.K.?

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 1 June 2006 23:48 (nineteen years ago)

I can't help but feel that if ILM had existed in the late 80s it would be saying the same about, say, Betty Boo!

mmm. or, say, kylie...

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 2 June 2006 00:00 (nineteen years ago)

anyway i think what i like about lily a. -- and about m.i.a., for that matter -- is the easy conflation of europop, hip-hop, dancehall, grime, whatever else gets thrown in there (and in both cases this is obv. most evident on the mixtapes). it feels kinda cheap and tawdry in a global way, in a way that whatever usually gets called "world music" never achieves. it's the same spirit that's in the jay-z version of "beware of the boys," in a lot of bhangra pop i guess, in manu chao and his affiliates, etc. maybe possibly the reason this stuff seems more interesting to americans than britishers is that any kind of global (i.e. non-american) influence in pop music is welcome. (which is why, say, timbaland's bhangra excursions seemed so fresh -- it's like, some acknowledgment, however fleeting, of the rest of the world, right there on our radio -- exciting!)(not that i expect lily allen to be on my radio.)

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 2 June 2006 00:14 (nineteen years ago)

The bottom line is her songs are just nothing special and she will be forgotten quickly.

Just like your posting. (BURRRRRRRRRRN)

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 2 June 2006 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

I find "Smile" and "Alfie" to be rather special

― Paul (scifisoul), Friday, 2 June 2006 02:46 (nineteen years ago)

So do I, if you mean the Brian Wilson album and the Burt Bacharach song.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 06:39 (nineteen years ago)

That was an open net there.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 2 June 2006 06:59 (nineteen years ago)

I completely agree with this re MIA - if only Lily Allen did the same, though. I'm aware that she's operating in much the same way, which is why I'm trying to avoid criticising her because the middle-class-brat-dissing-crack-whores but still fetishising London's griminess is extremely trying. But she's using completely different source material (despite the red herrings on the mixtape) - whereas I'm down with MIA magpieing over baile funk, grime, dancehall &c &c because I like all the primary sources, I'm not down with Allen resurrecting the lurching corpses of fucking ska and Britpop - in sound she's nowhere near what MIA does, and my objections to her are primarily sonic.

I can't remember whether I posted this upthread or somewhere else, but - you know how Lady Sovereign's singles have gone in this fairly steep downward trajectory from "ace and exciting and wow!" to "a bit boring and quite beneath her" to the point that she's now willingly collaborating with the Ordinary Boys? Lily Allen is what would happen if this trajectory continued for another couple of years.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 2 June 2006 07:39 (nineteen years ago)

(the whole "liking pop in the wrong way" is a bit of a red herring, it's the sort of thing I'm wildly inconsistent on anyway, and has nothing to do with why I dislike Allen's music - however I think a lot of the hype around her is phrased in ways I find uhhh dubious shall we say)

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 2 June 2006 07:41 (nineteen years ago)

On the bright side, she'll probably win the Mercury Music Prize this year and that will kill her career stone dead.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 07:42 (nineteen years ago)

I misread that as "kill her carer stone dead".

Which is a little severe...

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 2 June 2006 07:48 (nineteen years ago)

I'm glad you guys are here to turn everything into sarcasm and "here's a 60 page thesis on why she's bad" type politics, but I still like her songs.

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 2 June 2006 07:51 (nineteen years ago)

Write a 60-page thesis on why you like her songs.

(that's generous - if you were working on an Ang Lee film he'd make you do 75 pages!)

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 07:52 (nineteen years ago)

"i don't like the way she sounds" != "politics"

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 2 June 2006 07:54 (nineteen years ago)

Well, that was how Nazi Germany started.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 07:56 (nineteen years ago)

Munich: "i don't like the way she sounds"
Hitler: "I AM NOT A SHE!!! RIGHT, GET ZER TANKS!!"

― freddie starr (mark grout), Friday, 2 June 2006 07:58 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry, carry on :-)

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 2 June 2006 07:59 (nineteen years ago)

you know how Lady Sovereign's singles have gone in this fairly steep downward trajectory from "ace and exciting and wow!" to "a bit boring and quite beneath her" to the point that she's now willingly collaborating with the Ordinary Boys? Lily Allen is what would happen if this trajectory continued for another couple of years.

-- The Lex (alex.macpherso...), June 2nd, 2006.

NEW CONTENT PLZ

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Friday, 2 June 2006 08:09 (nineteen years ago)

Alex you know I have a lot of time for your opinions on music and will happily defer to you on most musical issues, so I hope you don't think I'm being unnecessarily contrary when I ask "where on earth is the Britpop in Lily Allen's music?"

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:04 (nineteen years ago)

ethan youre so full of shit i saw your ras kass paper doll it was glued grinding up behind the one of t-rock

― karri miback (cruisy), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:20 (nineteen years ago)

Well that's certainly an improvement on any of Lily Allen's lyrics.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:24 (nineteen years ago)

Lex is to pop as George Galloway is to liberalism.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:31 (nineteen years ago)

Lex is to pop as Geir is to rock.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:35 (nineteen years ago)

Lex is to Pop as of all that suppression.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:44 (nineteen years ago)

at the end of the day she's probably the most lex-y pop act ever, so of *course* he can't like her.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:47 (nineteen years ago)

Lex is to Pop as Pop was to U2.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:48 (nineteen years ago)

I thought Lady Sovereign was collaborating with the Ordinary Boys out of record company desperation?

The Nipper's Betty Boo point makes no sense other than the fact they are both girls who make summery pop music, and the argument doesn't really wash given the rabid Girls Aloud love on here.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:00 (nineteen years ago)

Lady Sovereign "collaborating" with the Ordinary Boys - probably at the point of a record company bayonet.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:02 (nineteen years ago)

well i can imagine another Lily Allen track being a lot like 'Let Me Take You There'

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:04 (nineteen years ago)

So those of us who already have the Four Tops Greatest Hits won't need to bother...

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

Lily Allen is not pop she is indie. Lex is to indie what lions are to Christians.

I think Chuck Tatum hit it on the nail upthread when he likened Allen to a Britpop novelty act - that horrid jaunty ska beat, those chuggachugga guitars, the voice which is basically a female Allbran Mockney voice...

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:21 (nineteen years ago)

I think Lex has a mockney on his back

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:23 (nineteen years ago)

Personally, I can't wait for Marcello to write up a 50,000 essay on Lily Allen only for the girl herself to laugh at it in an upcoming interview.

That's always fun.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:23 (nineteen years ago)

Lily Allen is to Lex as MIA was to Grimin' Simon.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:23 (nineteen years ago)

Well no, I'd have to like her music first... (xpost)

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:24 (nineteen years ago)

well, yes, britpop was all about the ska.

just listen to pulp, suede, or elastica -- you can't miss it.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:25 (nineteen years ago)

Lily Allen is to Lex as MIA was to Grimin' Simon.

except simon had no actual valid reasons for disliking MIA! whereas I have the entirely valid reason that no one should be making music with ska rhythms or guitars in at all in 2006.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:25 (nineteen years ago)

What, like Desmond Dekker isn't?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:27 (nineteen years ago)

precisely!

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:27 (nineteen years ago)

(xpost, holmes)

That shouldn't stop you writing that 50,000 essay on a blog that nobody will ever read, Carlin.

Try linking her to Blair, neo-liberalism and Mind Your Language for bonus Carmodism hit points.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:30 (nineteen years ago)

Enrique OTM. Menswear's version of 'Lip Up Fatty' has to be heard to be believed.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:35 (nineteen years ago)

I thought lots of people read Church Of Me?

And some people read Esteban's Live Journal?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

No Buts It's Got to Be Buttez

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:40 (nineteen years ago)

any thread that has lex talking bollocks about guitars *and* esteban trying to start some trouble with marcello has got to be worth bookmarking.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:43 (nineteen years ago)

esteban has a livejournal!?!

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 2 June 2006 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

Ah well, yet another enjoyable thread ruined by a career troll.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:05 (nineteen years ago)

I better get out this thread while the going's good, guys!

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:26 (nineteen years ago)

Especially now it's being ruined by a "career troll".

Whoever that is.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:28 (nineteen years ago)

i think he means lex.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:29 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, of course.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:31 (nineteen years ago)

By the way, here is some nice new pictures of Miss Allen looking cute ^__^

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

i can't believe i fell for that!

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Friday, 2 June 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

Cod-reggae =! pop

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

Nor does it equal Kylie or Betty Boo or whatever else. MIA's pop was forward-looking; Lily's is pretty distinctly not. Backwards-looking music is fine but I think ILM likes its pop futurist.

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

The album often sounds like the Sugababes.

― snowballing (snowballing), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

TS: "LDN" vs. "Steal My Sunshine"

― Tape Store (Tape Store), Friday, 2 June 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

I think ILM likes its pop futurist.

People talk about [ILM], like it's some giant living in the hillside, coming down to visit the townspeople. We are [ILM]. Me, you, everybody.

We are [ILM], so [ILM] is going where we going. So the next time you ask yourself where [ILM] is going, ask yourself: ‘where am I going? How am I doin?’

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Friday, 2 June 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

In that case, right now, ILM is waiting to see if it received a job offer from Dairy Queen.

― Tape Store (Tape Store), Friday, 2 June 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

It's a bit like Arthur O'Shaughnessy said in "Ode" from his book I Love Music and Moonlight (1874):

"Everybody are the music makers, and ILM are the writers about the dream. Wandering by lone sea breakers, and sitting by desolate streams. World losers and world forsakers, for whom the pale moon gleams. Yet ILM are movers and the shakers of the world forever it seems.”

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 2 June 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

Oh Em Gee! ILM got the job. Get excited! 'Movers and shakers of the world' is correct.

― Tape Store (Tape Store), Friday, 2 June 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

Cod-reggae =! pop

you can't call cod-reggae not pop just cuz you don't like cod-reggae.

i like cod-reggae, along with many other varieties. i also like all of lady sov's singles to varying degrees and don't understand what downward trajectory she's supposed to be on. so my critical faculties are not to be trusted here. i agree that lily a's songs are not as sonically distinctive as m.i.a.'s. that's why my first point of comparison for her was nelly furtado. who i also like.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 2 June 2006 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

(and i think one of the problems w/this thread might be its inflationary title. otoh, it did get me to look.)

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 2 June 2006 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

i'm not sure if M.I.A. mostly fetishising early-to-mid-nineties stripped down dancehall makes her obviously more futurist than Lily Allen fetishising late-eighties-to-mid-nineties cod-reggae.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 2 June 2006 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

"Knock 'Em Out" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "LDN"

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 2 June 2006 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i dunno about the "futurist" stuff, that's a dubious notion really. but m.i.a.'s sonic identity is more specific and defined (possibly a weakness, the next album will give some indicators on that).

also this line about lily allen being "indie" and "not pop" is confusing. again people seem to be excluding from "pop" things they just don't like. but of course the whole idea of pop is anti-exclusion, so it seems kind of comically doctrinaire. are we already to the purge stage of poppism?

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 2 June 2006 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

"Go away now. Let me go. Are you stupid or just a little slow? Please fuck off. Go away now. I've made myself clear. It's not gonna happen. Not in a million years."

See, this is what pop needs more of. More bands and artists should just say what's on their minds.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 2 June 2006 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

And anyway I think that any explicit and exclusive futurism position on pop music is pretty hard to maintain at the moment, when it feels like almost every big pop genre is so retro at the moment! Dancehall be rootsy, R&B/hip hop are obsessed with funk, UK pop is reviving electro or doing genre pick'n'mix (Xenomania)... Even crunk and grime are basically in holding patterns, and reggaeton is kinda like two steps back one step forward.

If we're going to talk about what pop does well currently - and then punish Lily for not meeting that standard - we have to talk in terms more sophisticated than FUTURISM = GOOD / RETRO = BAD.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 2 June 2006 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

reggaeton is kinda like two steps back one step forward.

that's the actual reggaeton beat, i think.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 3 June 2006 00:12 (nineteen years ago)

haha, i love reggaeton but i have no idea what these steps forward that it's taken are!

i also like all of lady sov's singles to varying degrees and don't understand what downward trajectory she's supposed to be on.

'ch ching' (incredible sunship production + blistering performance from sov) => 'a little bit of shhh' (again magnificent - "OH MY GOD PIANOS!") => 'blah blah' (still great but not as OMG as the first two) => 'random' (fantastic pop song but too much of a sense of reining herself in) => '9 to 5' (oh dear ska, but at least it's catchy) => 'hoodie' (basement jaxx fail to provide magic spark, entire world is like wvs) => '9 to 5 (ordinary boys rmx)' (GAH GAH ABORT MISSION AARGH)

that's why my first point of comparison for her was nelly furtado. who i also like.

this makes sense yes - old-nelly rather than nu-nelly, anyway. and the only old-nelly song i like is 'turn off the light'.

― The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 4 June 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

"haha, i love reggaeton but i have no idea what these steps forward that it's taken are!"

None! I meant that it only finds novelty (one step forward) by focusing on a rhythmic idea that's been floating round the carribean and central america for ages.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 4 June 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

Wasn't there another SOV single after Hoodie that bombed so bad even ILM only briefly registered it's existence? "Public Warning" or something it was called?

― fandango (fandango), Sunday, 4 June 2006 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

lily allen sound like something i would hear on alt rock radio in like 1996.

― h.s.art? (artdamages), Sunday, 4 June 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

but thats comiung form an american obv. can someone explain cod-reggae to me?

― h.s.art? (artdamages), Sunday, 4 June 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

1996=2006

just wait a couple of years. everything will get good again...

― h.s.art? (artdamages), Sunday, 4 June 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

She's on TOTP next week, you guys.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 5 June 2006 06:45 (nineteen years ago)

"Can't wait" (copyright: Fearne "Cockernee" Cotton)

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 5 June 2006 07:22 (nineteen years ago)

This w/end I have heard Lily Allen on Radio 1, 6music and on Radio 2 -- the commercial potential of her stuff has been very carefully judged.

― alext (alext), Monday, 5 June 2006 08:07 (nineteen years ago)

And "Sunday Surgery", Mr Doctor hadn't heard of "Lovers Rock" which Ms DJ was describing "Smile" as.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 5 June 2006 08:14 (nineteen years ago)

Don't doctors have better things to do with their taxpayer-funded time than distinguish between popular music subgenres?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 5 June 2006 08:16 (nineteen years ago)

R&B/hip hop are obsessed with funk, UK pop is reviving electro

BOTH are reviving electro innit.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 5 June 2006 08:43 (nineteen years ago)

(this informed by 'the hits' playing 'sos', 'lose control' and 'looking for a perfect beat' all in a row.)

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 5 June 2006 08:44 (nineteen years ago)

SOS by ABC, Lose Contol by James, and "Looking for a perfect beat" by ah o bollocks to yer.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 5 June 2006 09:02 (nineteen years ago)

Leapy Lee wasn't it?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 5 June 2006 09:07 (nineteen years ago)

Leapy Lee wuz innocent!

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 5 June 2006 09:22 (nineteen years ago)

It was that Marty Wilde who fitted him up!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 5 June 2006 09:27 (nineteen years ago)

Here's the video for Smile:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vws9Yp_tZbE&search=lily%20allen%20smile

― davidsim (davidsim), Monday, 5 June 2006 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

well

that's not fun

― rtccc (mwah), Monday, 5 June 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

the probable album cover :

http://images-cache.cd-wow.com/images/1/1149750591_big.jpg

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 9 June 2006 06:23 (nineteen years ago)

More unimaginative Photoshop clutter that probably took all of five seconds to put together.

And the sleeve's not very good either boom boom.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 9 June 2006 06:30 (nineteen years ago)

the gun sounds on 'Truth' are so, so dud.

― jergins (jergins), Friday, 9 June 2006 06:30 (nineteen years ago)

That sleeve is rather hideous... still not as bad as the last Red Hot Chili Peppers one, which was possibly the worst cover for ten years or so...

― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Friday, 9 June 2006 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

I see the album version of "Knock 'Em Out" (wisely) drops the AIDS joke at the end.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 June 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

singin quite well live on TOTP right now. 'Smile' is OK. there's this sense that this is what Corrine Bailey-Rae should sound like even tho technically she's probably the better vocalist overall. i was going to say edge but obv. CBR has none and Allen's is barely tangible itself. sweet enough to not render a song like this a bland waste of time tho.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Sunday, 11 June 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

She's either refusing to look at the audience, or she's going for the wrong camera angles. 'She's better than Sandi Thom' opines my sofa-companion.

― alext (alext), Sunday, 11 June 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

dude, being whacked in the bollocks with an electrified hobnail boot would be better than sandi thom.

dermot o'leary obviously has a thing for her, judging by a throwaway comment on his R2 show yesterday afternoon ("keith allen, my future father-in-law").

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 11 June 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.nme.com/news/lily-allen/23316

Shooting Dullards down: Lily Allen

Pop newcomer Lily Allen, has spectacularly dissed former Libertines star Carl Barat and indie darlings The Kooks.

Writing on her blog, the singer declared : "Boys, your regurgitated indie rock days are numbered so get over yourselves."

,,,,,,,,,,

spectacularly sez the NME, more like common sense !

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

Yep boyz, Kaiser Chiefs covers are the FUTURE! Get used to it.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

"Boys, your regurgitated indie rock days are numbered so get over yourselves."

Lily sees no end in site for her 15 minutes.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

'site'?

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

tonite tonite

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

Bag of site.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

chantelle fiddy v lily allen BEEF!

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

Lex, i'm sort of blown away by how hilariously trite that story was.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

i agree, and it's the most interesting l allen-related thing yet

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

someone (nb not lily) needs to do an r&b song about it

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe it could be Frankee's comeback single?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

omg that Fiddy anecdote is PHUNNNYE!

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

At 1:43 PM, lilyallen said...

do you make this shit up for fun ? if youre gonna hate on me , at least speak the truth .Even if your garms were late , I would never say anything like that to anyone . Grow up , wastewoman .

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

I really love the assumption of consensus in Fiddy's post that a piece of clothing bought three years ago is automatically out of date, but a piece of clothing bought seven years ago is "vintage" and therefore stylish!

Maybe Miquita wore the seven-year-old jacket three years ago as a hand-me-down from her mate's older sister?

― kit brash (kit brash), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

Chantelle: i have to pee
lily allen: your jacket is out of style
the internet: omg

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

what the hell, this thread. you crazy. you crazy, go BAM!

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

The words "children" and "please" spring to immediate mind.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 06:59 (nineteen years ago)

What, do you want her to have your children?

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8236/lily4se.jpg

― StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 07:12 (nineteen years ago)

(er... yes, that's the bigger version of the cover art, by the way)

― StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 07:13 (nineteen years ago)

something wrong with the chin

― jergins (jergins), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 07:16 (nineteen years ago)

What I want is for record companies to use what little sense there is left in their heads and spend their resources on musicians, not jumped-up floozies with influential mates.

If you want to be arrogant, it helps to have something to be arrogant about.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 07:20 (nineteen years ago)

i finally heard 'ldn'.

sounds like third single off jem album.

― Seriously, Try Punching This Guy in the Face and See What Happens (Enrique), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 07:55 (nineteen years ago)

Ah yes, Jem, whatever became of that particular middle-aged record executive fading-libido fantasy?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 07:56 (nineteen years ago)

she was actually quite fit.

― Seriously, Try Punching This Guy in the Face and See What Happens (Enrique), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 07:58 (nineteen years ago)

Note the past tense, so soon.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 08:01 (nineteen years ago)

i doubt she was dropped but people seem to take so long to make albums that she may as well have been.

― Seriously, Try Punching This Guy in the Face and See What Happens (Enrique), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 08:25 (nineteen years ago)

She's on exchange with Beth Orton. Beth is swapped in, Jem is swapped out.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 08:36 (nineteen years ago)

i still like 'They'

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 08:44 (nineteen years ago)

Beth's recent stuff hasn't exactly been my cup of Cresta, but she's in a completely different league, even if only because I fancy her like mad... ;-)

(sigh MC you're just as bad as the rest, face up to it)

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 08:44 (nineteen years ago)

i like the opening two bars of 'they' before jem starts singing.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 08:49 (nineteen years ago)

I quite like "It's just a ride" in the irish sense.

The video for "Wish I" was bizarre: basically, couple on a tropical beach getting married and it's all nice and flowers and beds at sunset on the beach and all that. Which is fine, but the song is about someone departing for a long time and the girl wishes she was going to. i.e. nothing to do at all with the video.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 08:52 (nineteen years ago)

when is Chantelle Fiddy releasing a single anyway?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 08:53 (nineteen years ago)

Alright, Still is fucking excellent. It took this long into the year to get a single great album?

― David Orton (scarlet), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 08:58 (nineteen years ago)

No, the Broken Social Scene album came out here right at the beginning of January.

No relation, I take it?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 09:00 (nineteen years ago)

Alright, I just got my hands on the LP and I gotta ask, what's with the shitty re-recorded version of "Knock 'Em Out" on the LP?

And what the FUCK happened to, "AIDS! AIDS! I've got AIDS!"?!?!?! It's... GONE!!

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Sunday, 18 June 2006 01:50 (nineteen years ago)

I love Knock 'Em Out! I have a copy of the LP with the re-recorded version on it, I suppose. Is the original version that much more different?

― musically (musically), Sunday, 18 June 2006 03:03 (nineteen years ago)

I saw the 'Orange phones present the download and ringtones sponsor.." programme. It has some music on it. Anyway, this prog the one she 'complains' about on her blog.

Interviewer in 'slides reference to her dad in an interesting and novel way' shokkah. Lily says 'cunt' as part of her answer.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 19 June 2006 07:37 (nineteen years ago)

Ehhh, apart from the fact that she pushes my "you annoy me" buttons almost as much as BB Sezer (i.e. all attitude and no charisma), she's okay I guess. I still don't think the songs have much to hang on to -- they sort of exhaust their interest after two or three listens. The beats are slack. The samples are a bit Elvis Costllo Does Young People's Music. The lyrics are 14-year-old-boy-puerile, and not in a good way.

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Monday, 19 June 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

Am I the only person who thinks that Lily Allen (on first listen, albeit) sounds like a multi-cult-schooled Fiona Apple? (Granted, I haven't really registered any of the lyrics so that probably kills my argument stone-cold dead. But sonically, though...)

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Saturday, 24 June 2006 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

They are both white girl singers, phil, and that's about it.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Saturday, 24 June 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

don't know what school either of them went to.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Saturday, 24 June 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

Fiona Apple is GREAT! (one key difference between her and allen)

― The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 25 June 2006 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

Went out to fill up the car w/petrol last night, Radio 1 was playing "Smile" which faded into "LDN". I went to pay for petrol, and when I got back in, "Alfie" was just finishing.

Overkill?

I assume this single will be number one immediately it's out.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 26 June 2006 07:34 (nineteen years ago)

Added to my folder: evidence supporting immediate abolition of the BBC no. 395821.

― alext (alext), Monday, 26 June 2006 07:36 (nineteen years ago)

I love "Everything's Just Wonderful": handclaps, ba-ba-bas, an early Cardigans vibe, plus she sounds like a delinqent Annie.
Fuck, I love Lilly like I love Annie.

― David Orton (scarlet), Monday, 26 June 2006 09:35 (nineteen years ago)

Cardigans is an oddly fitting reference point actually!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 26 June 2006 09:36 (nineteen years ago)

what are these "white girls" of which you speak?
admittedly, as i said, that was a one-listen judgement. but something about the everything-goes musical inclusivity of allen's production suggested apple to me - especially "shame for you." perhaps only that song, but whatever...

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Monday, 26 June 2006 11:27 (nineteen years ago)

I just found out "Smile" was produced by Manchester drum 'n bass outfit Future Cut (search: "Overload" [Renegade Hardware 2000], if memory serves me well). I wonder if they've done the rest of the album as well.

― JoB (JoB), Thursday, 29 June 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

Future Cut, Greg Kurstin, Pablo Cook, Blair Mackichan and Mark Ronson is the list of producers.

― David Orton (scarlet), Thursday, 29 June 2006 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I just got that "LDN" single, £2. Which was nice.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 29 June 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

Blair? I know him...

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 29 June 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ_hfQ2h4kQ

Lily's TOTP appearance. Quite charming.

― David Orton (scarlet), Thursday, 29 June 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

morelike "Lily Allen - This summers biggest chin?", amirite?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 29 June 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

No.
ihttp://images.thisislondon.co.uk/v2/showbiz/BB7_2006/_front/nikkiWENN230606_100x110.jpg

This here's an interview by Britain's Biggest Thicko, Steve Jones, on Transmission. In it Lily Allen manages to call her "Baywatch Babe snogger" interviewer a twat, calls Geldof a cunt and a sanctimonious prat, and admits her dad is a wanker.
Usual 'my favourite colour is blue, buy my single' pop chat, then.

Alright, Still is fucking excellent. It took this long into the year to get a single great album?
-- David Orton (pashernate...), June 14th, 2006.

Apart from Nelly Furtado, Camille, El Perro Del Mar and The Knife, that is. Obviously.

― David Orton (scarlet), Friday, 30 June 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

http://images.thisislondon.co.uk/v2/showbiz/BB7_2006/_front/nikkiWENN230606_100x110.jpg

chinny reckon?

― David Orton (scarlet), Friday, 30 June 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

OMG you go Chantelle and Collins! Neither girl would concoct such an exchange from thin air.

― suzy (suzy), Saturday, 1 July 2006 11:04 (nineteen years ago)

i dont get the MIA comparisons. ILX is weird. reggae and dancehall are not the same thing. lilly allen does sub ub40 and police-style reggae, mia does sub neneh cherry hip hop.

theres an aaron la crate remix of smile which has a great beat but is totally out of tune.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Saturday, 1 July 2006 11:28 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I just got that "LDN" single, £2. Which was nice

I just got the Emma Bunton album, £2 at hmv. That was nice.

― danzig (danzig), Saturday, 1 July 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.zyworld.com/stefankarl/food.JPG
Lily Allen

http://myspace-971.vo.llnwd.net/00575/17/95/575145971_l.jpg
Robbie Rotten, from hit kids TV show LazyTown

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 1 July 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

Lazy town is one tripped out kids show.

― jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Saturday, 1 July 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

yeah tis indeed out there (Max Headroom vs Magic Roundabout!)

.. but not as trippy as those Wiggles !

― mark e (mark e), Saturday, 1 July 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

OK, so "Knock 'Em Out" is "Big Chief" by Professor Longhair, and "Smile" is "Free Soul" by the Soul Brothers, but what the hell is the "LDN" sample?

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Sunday, 9 July 2006 02:18 (nineteen years ago)

Revive, for obv reson.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 10 July 2006 07:17 (nineteen years ago)

Damn Razorlight. If it wasn't for them it would be a top notch top three: Nelly, Shakira and Lily. It's good/unusual to see a single climb the charts - albiet in one leap from no.13 last week - to get to NUMBER ONE. Which makes a change from 'fans get it into charts first week, drops like a stone second'.

We can take the question mark off the thread title now.

― David Orton (scarlet), Monday, 10 July 2006 08:59 (nineteen years ago)

No, because she is not a true "hit."

EMI can hype her all they like but she will never be a proper star.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 10 July 2006 09:00 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, well there you go.

(xpost) Marcello, she has a #1 Single in Britain. What the fuck else does she need?

― Andrew (enneff), Monday, 10 July 2006 09:02 (nineteen years ago)

I heard loads of teenage girls singing 'Smile' in Hyde Park the other weekend - not be Lex's mythical girls at the back of the top deck of the Hackney Omnibus, but it's a start.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 10 July 2006 09:04 (nineteen years ago)

The start of what?

A #1 single in Britain in 2006 - what exactly does that mean?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 10 July 2006 09:06 (nineteen years ago)

What the fuck else does she need?

decent music would be a start!

ciara had a no 1 single. did people salivate over how she was going to be 2005's hottest popstar?

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 10 July 2006 09:08 (nineteen years ago)

There might have some salivating on ILM - I didn't read the relevant thread(s).

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 10 July 2006 09:11 (nineteen years ago)

'goodies' doesn't have a thread AT ALL. ('oh' does, as does the amazing new ciara song, though. nothing LIKE the enthusiasm lily allen's got though. lily allen is pop in an acceptable way for many people - indie ("indie/ska"), white, british, proper instruments - whereas ciara is completely un-indie, black and american, and her songs' arrangements sound like malfunctioning mobile phones)

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 10 July 2006 09:13 (nineteen years ago)

you should go to the msg board full of black un-indie Americans - OH WAIT IT DOESN'T EXIST ;)

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 10 July 2006 09:15 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe I should start a thread on the Goodies. "Black Pudding Bertha," "The Funky Gibbon" - now THAT's pop!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 10 July 2006 09:16 (nineteen years ago)

though really, this thread should have died a death - and with it anyone's interest - the moment people went to lallen's myspace and saw that she described herself as "indie/ska". "INDIE/SKA"! condemned from her own mouth!

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 10 July 2006 09:22 (nineteen years ago)

Let's just admit that she's the Happy Shopper own brand version of Neneh Cherry and leave it at that.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 10 July 2006 09:23 (nineteen years ago)

cherry's too good a comparison. she's amy winehouse with all trace of wit surgically removed and clunkiness factor ratcheted up to 100. or lady sov after hanging out with the ordinary boys too much.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 10 July 2006 09:25 (nineteen years ago)

only ska-pop song anyone needs this year = 'stars are blind' by paris hilton

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 10 July 2006 09:26 (nineteen years ago)

From yesterday's Observer:

More than a month ago, for example, I thought to myself that I would quite like to buy Lily Allen's new album (not very original, I know, but I like to keep up with the younger generation). I looked it up on Amazon. It doesn't come out until 17 July. Now that date is drawing near and, funnily enough, I do not want it anymore. The intervening period has made me realise I am actually quite happy living without it.

Article in full.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 10 July 2006 09:28 (nineteen years ago)

What kind of pseudonym is THAT marcello?

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 10 July 2006 09:32 (nineteen years ago)

i like Lily Allen! its good to see not all britishes have forgotten how to make good pop music :)

― ferzaffe (flezaffe), Monday, 10 July 2006 09:32 (nineteen years ago)

Are you trying to do a Comstock Carabinieri there?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 10 July 2006 09:35 (nineteen years ago)

lily allen is pop in an acceptable way for many people - indie ("indie/ska"), white, british, proper instruments - whereas ciara is completely un-indie, black and american

Yes, that's it. People don't like her music because the songs are catchy, they like her music because they're racist. Well done, The Lex.

― StanM (StanM), Monday, 10 July 2006 09:37 (nineteen years ago)

Plenty of people liked Robson and Jerome's music because the songs were catchy.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 10 July 2006 09:38 (nineteen years ago)

Anyroad, my guess is the album will do particularly well as well.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 10 July 2006 09:39 (nineteen years ago)

Plenty of people liked Hitler's Germany because the songs were catchy.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 10 July 2006 09:42 (nineteen years ago)

After Lex's "only ska-pop song anyone needs this year = 'stars are blind' by paris hilton" line, I am eagerly anticipating his bizarro- world justification of her cover of "Do you think I'm sexy?" on the forthcoming album.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 10 July 2006 09:51 (nineteen years ago)

i highly doubt i'll be defending that, not even paris could make that dreadful, disgusting song any good.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 10 July 2006 09:54 (nineteen years ago)

I am beginning to doubt your commitment to ~~Sparkle Motion~~ Paris.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 10 July 2006 09:57 (nineteen years ago)

the interview with her in the saturday guardian was wonderful though. how amazing did she look on the cover?! beautiful.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 10 July 2006 10:00 (nineteen years ago)

and the more i listen to 'stars are blind' the more i am overwhelmed and also genuinely moved by it.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 10 July 2006 10:01 (nineteen years ago)

Big Mountain!

i highly doubt i'll be defending that, not even paris could make that dreadful, disgusting song any good.

some would argue that N-Trance already did this. but i prefer the original!

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 10 July 2006 10:01 (nineteen years ago)

not even n-trance.

i'm pausing to reflect on how much of a black hole of badness a song has to be if NOT EVEN N-TRANCE can make it good!

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 10 July 2006 10:03 (nineteen years ago)

I felt exactly the same way about "Won't Somebody Dance With Me?" by Lynsey de Paul when I was Lex's age (xpost x 2).

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 10 July 2006 10:03 (nineteen years ago)

Hybrid Kids to The Lex's ginbox!

(xp)

― zebedee (zebedee), Monday, 10 July 2006 10:09 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yes!

"Electronically produced music is one possibility of Tomorrows World!"

(I have the original 45 this was sampled from)

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 10 July 2006 10:10 (nineteen years ago)

Was that when Landscape came on the programme?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 10 July 2006 10:14 (nineteen years ago)

I liked it when ACT were on there.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 10 July 2006 10:18 (nineteen years ago)

I like the N-Trance version a lot.

Actually I like the *Rod* version quite a lot.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 10 July 2006 10:19 (nineteen years ago)

me too, but it's no 'Young Turks' eh?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 10 July 2006 11:01 (nineteen years ago)

Not unless she's given birth to a ten pound baby boy.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 10 July 2006 11:02 (nineteen years ago)

i WAS going to say that all the talk of 'spitefulness' mentioned upthread is bit much cause if she were a man /boy no one would be bringing that up. no one's ever going to moan that dizzee or mike skinner are 'spiteful' or whatever...

but THEN i saw the video !! where she appears to pay for violence to be done to her ex !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLrFAxonZwc&search=lilly%20smile

still aside from that er..quibble, album of the year for me.

― pisces (piscesx), Monday, 10 July 2006 11:45 (nineteen years ago)

not even in my top 2000 albums of the year.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 10 July 2006 11:49 (nineteen years ago)

i'd like all the haterz to say which one female pop star around at the moment they prefer.

and by your answers, i shall have the measure of you sirs.

― pisces (piscesx), Monday, 10 July 2006 12:27 (nineteen years ago)

answers available at usual market rates

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 10 July 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

i'd like all the haterz to say which one female pop star around at the moment they prefer

ciara, xtina, rihanna, christina aguilera, tigarah, cassie, beyoncé, nelly furtado, pussycat dolls, madge, kelly rowland, trina, ellen allien and PARIS MOTHERFUCKING HILTON have all released incredible pop records this year which beat lollen into the ground.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 10 July 2006 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

er by aguilera i mean MILIAN, as obv aguilera is xtina

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 10 July 2006 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

pisces - that video along with the overly bitter/vindictive nature of a lot of the album has indeed turned around my opinion 180 degrees.

i cant listen to the album any more.

― mark e (mark e), Monday, 10 July 2006 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

as for the spitefulness of the lyrics - i think a lot of people are using the word 'spiteful' in place of eg the word 'cuntish' for male singers with equally nasty lyrics like the kaiser chiefs and mike skinner.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 10 July 2006 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

I can tell you like your women "nice".

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 10 July 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

tigarah

lex leave tiga alone, he is NOT a woman he just dresses nice!!

― hella somethin' Gwen Stefani pantwork (haitch), Monday, 10 July 2006 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

Bitter and vindictive? It's a break-up album for heaven's sake! When did ILM become such a bunch of milquetoasts?! And the flipside of all the cattiness is "Littlest things", which also happens to be best track on the album and brings a tear to even my wizened and jaded eye!

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 10 July 2006 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

i keep thinking Marcello will have a 'Supernature'-style turnround on this album in a month or two.

not that i'd be that bothered either way.

Lily Allen is the seventh best solo female British artist out there right now.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 10 July 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

Thom, Tunstall, Bailey-Rae and co. all being far lower obv.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 10 July 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

1. Elaine Paige
2. Lynsey de Paul
3. Barbara Dickson
4. Cleo Laine
5. Bonnie Langford
6. Lesley Garrett.

Am I right?

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 10 July 2006 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

tigarah

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 10 July 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

Alesha is going to whip Lily's ass like Jackie Pallo versus Freddie Garrity.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 10 July 2006 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

add ashlee simpson to my list of popstars as well

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 10 July 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

Am I right?

Murphy
Stevens
'Frapp
Bush
MIA
Alesha (probably)
Allen
Nixey
Lady Sov
Church

but i haven't heard any good LadyGrime recently apologies

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 10 July 2006 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

Alesha is going to whip Lily's ass like Jackie Pallo versus Freddie Garrity.

i expect she will in terms of exciting pop production. but she won't have quite the same commercial success. ho hum.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 10 July 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

Lex I'm loving "Stars Are Blind" but isn't it a bit unfair to punish Lily for cod on the one hand and raise up Paris for the same thing on the other?

(okay obviously they're different and I can see why you'd prefer "Stars Are Blind" but the point is we're not living in a world of absolutes here)

(also I like Lily's lyrics too, they are kinda spiteful but the bad vibes feel like a put-on to me, in the best possible sense... she reminds me of my younger sister in that way, who's always in a bit of a bad mood when I first see her but within half an hour she's warmed up and we're making plans to open cinemas which only show films starring Judi Dench and Maggie Smith)

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 10 July 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

If Maggie Smith had made the Lily Allen album I'd be far more kindly disposed towards it.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 10 July 2006 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

Joint Ventures

Sorry, there appear to be no titles for which

* Keith Allen (I) (Actor)
* , Maggie Smith (I) (Actress)

are both/all credited.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 10 July 2006 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

tim - i was called out for this on my lj as well - my response was basically that i love 'stars are blind' despite it being cod-reggae, and also because paris hilton has absolutely no investment in its cod-reggaeness whatsoever. whereas lollen's songs aren't good enough to transcend the inherent wrongness of ska, and it seems to be quite important that they are ska because of what ska signifies, if that makes sense.

i don't like the spitefulness in 'ldn' towards poor people but i would probably like the spitefulness directed at men - i have not heard any of the latter.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 10 July 2006 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

add ce'cile and lil kim to list of excellent lady popstars

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 10 July 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

and rasheeda, and remy ma

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 10 July 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

UFFIE OF COURSE

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 10 July 2006 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

I never ceased to be amazed that you can stand Uffie.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 10 July 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

i don't like the spitefulness in 'ldn' towards poor people

Hilton reserves this for outside the recording studio of course.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 10 July 2006 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

A pupil of Bedales being spiteful towards poor people? Never...

Lallen odds on for next year's Only Fools On Horses.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 10 July 2006 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

Pls change thread title to "Lily Allen - This Summers biggest hit - Also, Marcello definitely does not like her"

― Eppy (Eppy), Monday, 10 July 2006 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

The Lily Allen thing is nice enuf, but I don't get the hullaballoo. Maybe you have to be English. Or indie...

She's pleasant, and I like her lyrical personality, but overall, what I've heard is kinda dull, dry and overly polite (for all the vaunted/villified "spitefulness"). Nothing world-shaking, certainly.

The mixtapes are cool, though...

― fuckfuckingfuckedfucker (fuckfuckingfuckedfucker), Monday, 10 July 2006 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

Hilton reserves this for outside the recording studio of course.

hilton = more real than allen!

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 10 July 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

Life's definitely too short for "pleasant."

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 10 July 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

Please tell me you're being ironically r*ck*st.

Maybe you have to be English. Or indie...

I am neither and I love the album to bits! (Except "Take What You Take", which should have been on another person's album, and "Friend of Mine", which is not as good a tune as the rest.)

― JoB (JoB), Monday, 10 July 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

x-post

― JoB (JoB), Monday, 10 July 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

"i don't like the spitefulness in 'ldn' towards poor people but i would probably like the spitefulness directed at men - i have not heard any of the latter. "

Most of the Lily songs I've heard fall into the latter category, and "LDN" is also one of my least favourite Lily songs. Lex you should search "Not Big" and "Shame For You" before you close the door on Lily forever.

"tim - i was called out for this on my lj as well - my response was basically that i love 'stars are blind' despite it being cod-reggae, and also because paris hilton has absolutely no investment in its cod-reggaeness whatsoever."

I agree with the second part of this statement, but I think it overrules the first part: I agree that it is important that Paris is making cheap fako cod-reggae, but it's that very cheapo fake cod-reggae that makes it so magical (the other thing I like about it is how Paris's lyrics/delivery capture a certain dazed fucked-up simplicity - I was saying in a review of it I had to write today that it comes off as kind of honest b/c you could imagine her using these lines to try to pick up some celeb's boyfriend at a boozy charity function). Certainly "Stars Are Blind" takes many more cues from "Mysterious Girl" than Lily ever does, and this is probably a good thing for Paris. But this doesn't mean that Lily is necessarily bad-indie. The difference is a matter of degree more than anything.

I like a lot of pop-cod from the past few years - e.g. both Rihanna and especially Eve's versions of "No No No" - and I broadly approve of it as a stylistic manoeuvre.

Did Dannii ever do any cod?

Also there needs to be a revival of vaguely post Soul II Soul cod-reggae-house e.g. Madonna's "Why's It So Hard".

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 10 July 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

I think now is the time to mention Smokie - It's Your Life.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 10 July 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

I agree that it is important that Paris is making cheap fako cod-reggae, but it's that very cheapo fake cod-reggae that makes it so magical

except lily's cod-reggae isn't actually cheap fako stuff - it's a facsimile of it in the same way that MIA was a facsimile of baile funk and so on. allen uses reggae/ska as a means of demonstrating her 'realness', paris uses reggae/ska as...well, not a means of demonstrating her fakeness, i am not sure what the intention is but a great deal of its appeal lies in the fact that it seems almost accidentally great.

(the other thing I like about it is how Paris's lyrics/delivery capture a certain dazed fucked-up simplicity - I was saying in a review of it I had to write today that it comes off as kind of honest b/c you could imagine her using these lines to try to pick up some celeb's boyfriend at a boozy charity function)

YES - also it captures a certain desperation which is at once a debauched-celeb desperation and a naive little-girl desperation. the lyrics and delivery really tap into the gilded princess archetype very well.

i think 'why's it so hard?' is the only crap song on erotica :(

there's quite a lot of cod-reggae on the rihanna album though it doesn't seem cod (which implies coming at it from outside) so much as lite (coming from the inside but diluting it to good effect). like wayne wonder or shabba ranks.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 10 July 2006 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

allen uses reggae/ska as a means of demonstrating her 'realness'

why is this a problem again?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 10 July 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

"and it seems to be quite important that they are ska because of what ska signifies, if that makes sense."

What does ska signify? I don't get a sense of there being a particular purpose behind its use in Lily's songs, but maybe I'm missing something. M.I.A. is at pains to draw out the links between the sonics and her persona, I don't think Lily is doing that though. What is the link b/w the music and Lily's realness, and how is she real? The choice of style seems arbitrary in fact, to me at least.

If anything I think it's being used because it conveys a certain lightness of touch and easy prettiness, which is probably not too far from why Paris is using it. Certainly I'd be surprised if Lily wasn't aware of a certain distance between the simple reverie of the music and her lyrics. There is no such distance in "Stars Are Blind".

I'm not sure about the interchangability of ska and reggae in all this. I have this idea that "ska" denotes more guitar than is present in Lily's songs? I know next to nothing about the application of these terms really so somebody school me.

"i think 'why's it so hard?' is the only crap song on erotica :("

I don't necessarily disagree! The production works much better than the song on top of it. I used to dislike "Words" but I've come around to it a lot in the last few years. For some reason i hated the lyrics and now I think they're great.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 10 July 2006 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

... so what's the sample in LDN, anyone find out perchance?

― StanM (StanM), Monday, 10 July 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

What does ska signify? I don't get a sense of there being a particular purpose behind its use in Lily's songs

it really reinforces this 'cockernee charm' which is a massive part of her appeal - this cheeky street ladette character which seems to be her entire public persona (going on interviews as well here), which makes it easy to call her "female mike skinner". like lady sov but not actually a real chav - in fact, like a drama school student playing a sov-type character in a school play.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 10 July 2006 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

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Umm, I shouldn't really repost stuff I found on other boards, but ah here you are.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 10 July 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

Dissensus, right?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 10 July 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

The LDN sample is Lord Kitchener "London belongs to me", no?

The ska thing is only a problem if you want it to be. It does signify - in the UK at least - a kind of Radio 6 dad-friendly black music - it's not "dangerously" urban and people like Phil Jupitus, Mark Lamarr, and - yes - Keith Allen like it. In that sense it's a perfectly understandable contingency - she found a load of music she liked in her dad's record collection, as anyone might do. It doesn't seem like an affectation. There's actually less of it on the album than you might think.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 10 July 2006 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

"London is the place for me", is the Lord Kitchener I meant to say, not the St Et song.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 10 July 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

like lady sov but not actually a real chav - in fact, like a drama school student playing a sov-type character in a school play.

allen uses reggae/ska as a means of demonstrating her 'realness'

Ooh, inauthentic pop stars. Ooh, not black or from a council estate. Ooh, Keith Allen's daughter.

― "C" (Holey), Monday, 10 July 2006 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

you should go to the msg board full of black un-indie Americans - OH WAIT IT DOESN'T EXIST ;)

hahahahahahaha stevem you just made me cackle like a drunk wizard, and i am neither of those.

Lord kitchener

it isn't London Is The Place For Me, but it could well be another Kitch tune. what i want to know is, what's that piano sample on "knock 'em out"? it's doing my bloody head in.

i absolutely completely love "alright, still", btw fwiw etc. there's one bloody awful track - say what you say, or whatever it's called - which sounds like bad bad bad happy mondays or something, but the rest of it? splendid.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 10 July 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

The issue here is that Marcello always wanted to be a pretty girl but when he mentioned it to his father, he got beaten up with a cane. With dad playing Madness in the background.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Monday, 10 July 2006 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

The Lex, I can't believe how much negative meaning you manage to attach to Lily Allen. You don't have to like it as far as I'm concerned of course, but I think your dislike is of your own making and not inherent to Lily Allen, her music or ska in general. In other words: blessed are the simple of mind such as I, for they can take a good record for what it is.

PS Charlie, you mean "Take What You Take", which sounds awfuller every time I hear it.

― JoB (JoB), Monday, 10 July 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

I think Lex just hates indie-Ska, not SKA

although I could be wrong...

As for Lily Allen. Definitely Pop for rockists IMO (despite the mixtapes which I kind of approve of and wish there was more of in her own music!) and I can well understand Lex's infuriation, my own aversion I think is still coming down to an unsettling aftertaste about her.

― fandango (fandango), Monday, 10 July 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

...which is based on a media image, I assume. A silly reason to dismiss a record, i'd say. Also: "indie-ska" - if you write it down like that, sure, I'd be inclined to hate it as well. But what does that even mean? Why would you even want to approach it like that?

― JoB (JoB), Monday, 10 July 2006 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

Don't assume, my aversion to her is totally coming from within the songs unfortunately! Shame because Knob Dad or not she's heartbreakingly cute and seems reasonably smart too, phoney myspace success story or not I'd like to get behind this one (that needs a rephrase) but... no, something here is just a little bit unlikeable.

― fandango (fandango), Monday, 10 July 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

The issue here is that Marcello always wanted to be a pretty girl but when he mentioned it to his father, he got beaten up with a cane. With dad playing Madness in the background.

That's a pretty accurate summation, actually.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 06:10 (nineteen years ago)

First OMM now NME, what next?

http://www.nme.com/images/84_NMEcoverlilyallen_L150706_uk_01.jpg

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

she definitely won't win the MMP.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

I honestly can't think who will win it this year to be honest, especially because we're in a designated "no guitars" year.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

Blogger, In League with Paton has suggestions on who will make the Mecury Music Prize shortlist

Pure Speculation
http://inleaguewithpaton.blogspot.com/2006/07/pure-speculation.html

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

Eligible: British or Irish Artists who released an album between July 25th 2005 and July 17th 2006.

Lily Allen qualifies, as album is released on July 17th 2006

Is Dom hoping that Editors will NOT win? they qualify as released on July 25th 2005.

http://rateyourmusic.com/album_images/s343690.jpg

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

The only band in that list who have the slightest fucking hope of being nominated are Psapp, and even then only if they get a song on an advert and a hit thereafter.

I mean, the only name I can come up with at the moment is Sway, but surely if he can't get Radio 1 playlist he can't get a Mercury prize win?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

i heard some girls, playing grime, on the bus in kentish town the other morning. they were bullying this other girl. they were fucking horrible! makes you think.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

My bump of the grindie thread only got one response :(

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

what, are we saying arctic monkeys won't win?

corinne bailey rae.

― rtccc (mwah), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

Who gives a shit about the Mercury Music Prize???

Shame this album was a bit of a disappointment, because the "LDN"/"Knock 'Em Out" seven-inch is the debut single of the decade. The pop sheen production on the album sounds horrid!

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

of the decade 1996-2006?

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 06:56 (nineteen years ago)

mmm 'pop sheen'.

― pisces (piscesx), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 08:39 (nineteen years ago)

Nothing cleans like it.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 08:41 (nineteen years ago)

'parrently, still No1 by some distance in the midweeks.

Oh, and Thom Yorkeis number 2 in the albums by summat like 500 lps.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 08:44 (nineteen years ago)

"To me Kylie playing Glastonbury would be the ultimate insult to it. It should be about new, interesting music, not mainstream pop."

I know pop stars say dumb, r**kist stuff all the time, but this is likely to push a few people off the fence where Lily Allen is concerned, I suspect.

― Flyboy (Flyboy), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 08:44 (nineteen years ago)

But her substance abuse comments are one “hit” her record label would rather she avoided.

*slow claps Newton*

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 08:49 (nineteen years ago)

Right, so in an article detailing her experiences with Cocaine and Ketamine, you focus on how she's not that keen on Kylie.

Hey, Sun Newspaper. If you want to set a good example to the "kids", don't publish her comments!

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 08:50 (nineteen years ago)

ILM readers more likely to be upset about Kylie diss than Class A advocacy I strongly suspect.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 08:52 (nineteen years ago)

x-post... I don't think her experiences with coke etc. are particularly surprising, nor do they annoy me, so yeah, I focused on the irritating bit. Oh noes!

― Flyboy (Flyboy), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 08:53 (nineteen years ago)

I LOVE the way tabloids RANDOMLY pick out the WORST comments, just to HELP offend their brainless READERS even more.

― StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 08:57 (nineteen years ago)

Allen is riding HIGH in the HIT parade, and it looks like she will SCORE another smash with her LP. She does not resemble a HORSE and has all the makings of a modern day indieskapop HEROINe.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 09:02 (nineteen years ago)

Of course she's on coke and ketamine. She is KEITH ALLEN'S DAUGHTER people. She probably had the stuff on her Frosties from the age of six.

(xpost - haha)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 09:03 (nineteen years ago)

It puts a new perspective on the title of this thread anyways

― zebedee (zebedee), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 09:07 (nineteen years ago)

from skimming upthread: ska signifies whiteness now?

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 11:06 (nineteen years ago)

Madness are white.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 12:20 (nineteen years ago)

the knock 'em out sample is from 'fess up' by dr john

― art vandelay (what?), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

...or at least i thought it was. it may well be big chief by prof longhair tho... oops!

― art vandelay (what?), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

There's now a Lily Allen soundalike track on DFS radio commercials?!

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Friday, 14 July 2006 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

Lallen's FIVE STARS are spreadeagled over the top of today's Grauniad.

Someone is VERY desperate for this record to be a success, aren't they?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 14 July 2006 11:07 (nineteen years ago)

it's the only way to thwart that Tunstall/Bailey-Rae/Thom troika.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 14 July 2006 11:08 (nineteen years ago)

She gives reasonable controversial media but the music is pretty un-exciting, don't get this at all. Her comment Re:Kylie is so utterly toilet basin-brained as to be laugh out loud funny- "Glastonbury should be about new, interesting music, not mainstream pop"-- firstly Lallen is horrendous mainstream pop of the worst variety herself, secondly Kylie (infrequently admittedly)produces interesting music, thirdly Glastonbury is actually about dull stadium indie. She needs more horse tranquilizer!

― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Monday, 17 July 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

I suggest a series of ten minute shows going out at 9:50 pm on a Wednesday (BBC 2) were, following Chantelle Fiddy's lead, each week a different blogger walks in on Lily Allen sitting on the toilet. Week 1: that guy who used to be in Star Trek who plays poker these days. Week 2: Andrew Sullivan. Week 3: Nick Sylvester. I smell ratings.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 17 July 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

Only just listened to this. I like Take What You Take best, cos it sounds like The Farm.

― JimD (JimD), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

But what would she be doing on the toliet? If it's her laying cable, I probably wouldn't tune in.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

Heh, Pitchdork gave her album an 8.3 today.

"QUICK! BEFORE THE BANDWAGON ROLLS OFF A CLIFF, NICK SYLVESTER!"

(Expect to see Stylus give the album a D. With a review written by Passantino in which the music isn't even mentioned once.)

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

I can't believe cock-fork-meeja buy into the whole making it through myspace NONSENSE... how stupid and credulous are they? She was signed before she had anything to do with Myspace...

― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

That isn't what the review says at all is it?

It only points out that there's a massively useful novelty angle to be exploited for what's going to be a very short time indeed... and then goes on to deflate the whole idea that she got success from any kind of hard honest graft (at least she's not in a rock band...) and starts talking about the publicity machine in general in pop, and the whole acceleration of the internet/music identity phenomenon ... concluding with an approval for the record, so what? He liked it! It's not a crime. Decent review I thought.

― fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

It's interesting how these kind of extended lyrics are becoming THE thing in pop all of a sudden (at least in England) The Streets, Arctic Monkeys and now Lily Allen...

It might not be incredibly surprising lyricism, but it's an interesting little change no? Is it in reaction to anything much?

― fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

This almost feels like it needed to come out somehow to redress the indie-male-lad balance being reinforced so fucking hard by T'Monkeys & NME...

Except somehow I feel like Bill Hicks about it all :(

"I'll show you pop in Great Britain-- here it is, right here: I think the puppet on the right shares my values! I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking! Hey wait a minute, there's one guy holding up both puppets!

Shut up! Go back to bed UK, your media is in control..."

(except T'Monkeys album is frustratingly... better than this pap, sorry)

― fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/observer/archives/2006/07/18/no_lily.html#more

she was OMM's cover star way back in May, when hardly anyone outside of the music industry (and yes, the MySpace community) had heard of her

and he mentions "griping about the 'hype' from latecomers"

there's been griping here since april, dontchaknow.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:19 (nineteen years ago)

I am prepared to bet dollars to fucking donuts that the OMM "discovering" Lallen didn't happen until at least after she was first played on Radio 1. Didn't she first turn up on RJustice last December or summat?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:23 (nineteen years ago)

the omm's piece span it as a velvet revolution of no-PR ascendancy... so yes that's a very safe bet indeed

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:25 (nineteen years ago)

Who wrote the OMM piece anyway. Sawyer?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:26 (nineteen years ago)

yeah.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:26 (nineteen years ago)

"Last month I used my column in this magazine to bemoan today's lack of proper pop stars, the ones who talk the talk as well as walk the tight-trousered walk, who know that the music's only part of the job and personality's the rest.

Anyway, just days later, the editor called me up, all excited, and said, 'I think I've found you one!'.
Lily Allen was his answer to my rant, recommended to him by an OMM work-experience girl who had found her MySpace site. Lily had put up four of her chirpy pop-ska songs, and, within weeks, they'd spread like internet flu. She now has a staggering 24,932 friends on her page, Parlophone has rush-released her first single, 'LDN', and the limited edition seven-inch is reselling for £40 on eBay. Lily is a genuine, no PR, punters-love-it success, which is fantastic, but, even more promisingly, her blog is hilarious [...]"

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:28 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno, I always get the feeling that there could be a decent magazine somewhere in OMM if they got rid of the shit lists, the interviews with celebrities that aren't actually anything to do with musicians, and the monthly "colonialist journo goes and visits the darkies and sees how primitives make music" piece.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:28 (nineteen years ago)

that's 21 may.

xpost

yeah and sacked all the shitty, superannuated writers.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:29 (nineteen years ago)

We need a Logan's Run of music journos. If you were writing about music in 81 you shouldn't be writing about it now.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:30 (nineteen years ago)

that reminds me -- paul morley said he quit writing about music in about 1984, when he was, whatever, 25, cos he was too old (and had a new lucrative job in a&r).

but there he still is!

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

Logan's Run is to be remade, and the age of death is now 21!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0402344/

The problem with the OMM is all the faff--do away with shitty lists (which are always even more boring than ILM list threads) and 'interesting facts' that everyone knows and stick in more reviews written by good writers. And get rid of Sawyer.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:51 (nineteen years ago)

genius re. over-21 'logan's run'!!!!!!

modern hollywood in a nutshell.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:54 (nineteen years ago)

i don't know why the myspace 'hook' is a hook at all? in every one-sentence blurb about arctic monkeys and lallen i've seen, the "discovered through myspace" line is trotted out (and even though i hate them there are FAR more interesting things to say, esp when you have limited space!). is this meant to be good? bad? who cares? you may as well say "discovered by being heard on the radio" or "they were in a magazine once".

what is logan's run?

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 12:15 (nineteen years ago)

nick logan used to run the nme before you were born -- at one point he sacked ALL contributors over 31. hollywood's film tampered with the facts to some extent.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 12:19 (nineteen years ago)

genius re. over-21 'logan's run'!!!!!!

It was 21 in the original book as well apparently though I haven't read it. They could turn it into a good comment on modern Hollywood values if they tried though.

Lex--Logan's Run was a film starring John Wayne.

(x-post)

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 12:29 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, the OMM lists can be good sometimes.

The rest of it can usually be shit, through.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 12:32 (nineteen years ago)

Esteban, you've jumped the troll.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

THEYRE BETTER THAN THOSE GAY-ASS LISTS ON STYLUS!!!11!!

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

long xpost, but I do hear the Fiona Apple-ness Philip hears in "Shame On You." I can imagine Fiona singing it with a more piano-ey/organic arrangement.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 22:55 (nineteen years ago)

yeah I guess it does make more sense with "Shame For You", which is a bit reminiscent of "Criminal" or "Sleep To Dream".

It's also my favourite Lily track by some distance.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 23:49 (nineteen years ago)

"jumped the troll" GENIUS.

― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 20 July 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

If it's genius, then why isn't it on MySpace with all the other geniuses?

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Thursday, 20 July 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

(Expect to see Stylus give the album a D. With a review written by Passantino in which the music isn't even mentioned once.)

-- ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (estebanbutte...), July 18th, 2006.

DING DING DING

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/reviews/lily-allen/alright-still.htm

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ The Unstoppable Troll Machine (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Monday, 24 July 2006 09:38 (nineteen years ago)

ah, the britishes and their class issues

― ferzaffe (flezaffe), Monday, 24 July 2006 09:50 (nineteen years ago)

He does mention the music though..

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 24 July 2006 09:53 (nineteen years ago)

Only briefly, through.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ The Unstoppable Troll Machine (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Monday, 24 July 2006 09:56 (nineteen years ago)

who's abs?

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Monday, 24 July 2006 10:14 (nineteen years ago)

who's "crispin" mills? does he know where the "of" in the first line has gone? etc.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 24 July 2006 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

He disses Lily Allen for being phony, then next line disses people who need their music to be real... brain explodes.

Have to admit that I've never heard Lily Allen but she does seem to be a bit of a twat.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Monday, 24 July 2006 10:29 (nineteen years ago)

This thread is hugely entertaining. Moreso than what little I've heard of ms allen's oeuvre, I'm afraid :(

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 24 July 2006 10:44 (nineteen years ago)

Dom, look for another job, maybe somewhere in the grave-digging industry.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ The Unstoppable Troll Machine (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Monday, 24 July 2006 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

Even 'Lily Allen and Arctic Monkeys weren't really discovered through Myspace, it's a PR fraud' has itself become a bit of a meta-hook, I've seen it in a handful of articles already.

― Nedpoleon (NedBeauman), Monday, 24 July 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

What form did her distressing youth take? Apparently, and I kid you not, sometimes her parents embarrassed her at dinner parties, and every now and then she got told off for handing her homework in late. Jesus wept.

But according to another Allen puff piece somewhere (BBC iirc) she lived in a council flat with her Mum living on spaghetti on toast for QUITE A WHILE after her parents split.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 24 July 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

Mmmmm.....spaghetti on toast..

― CDDB (Dan Deluca), Monday, 24 July 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

But according to another Allen puff piece somewhere (BBC iirc) she lived in a council flat with her Mum living on spaghetti on toast for QUITE A WHILE after her parents split.

-- Konal Doddz (stevem7...), July 24th, 2006.

the puff-piece i saw mentioned the council flat and the exorbitant school fees in the same breath.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 08:58 (nineteen years ago)

Pop haters hate Lily Allen. True fact.

― David Orton (scarlet), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 09:13 (nineteen years ago)

haha bullshit, she is basically the epitome of pop for indie kids who can't bring themselves to love "all that processed crap"

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 09:14 (nineteen years ago)

ANYBODY who has a number one single is pop

― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 09:25 (nineteen years ago)

http://rocktimes.de/gesamt/h/jimi_hendrix/pics/jimi_hendrix.jpg "Oh yeah?"

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 09:30 (nineteen years ago)

stwinifredsschoolchoir.jpg

it's all pop music at the end of the day, Maniche.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 09:38 (nineteen years ago)

has anyone posted this yet?
http://www.myspace.com/leadingbyexample
click on 'Vile Lily Allen Remix'

― ferzaffe (flezaffe), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 10:26 (nineteen years ago)

She wouldn't last a week on American Idol - does that make her not proper pop?

In any case, "Smile" was one of the very few songs I could tolerate on Radio 1 upon moving to London approx. 4 weeks ago so for that I'm grateful.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 10:47 (nineteen years ago)

ha that remix is hilarious

name checks: Upper Street, Brighton, Craven Cottage

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 10:50 (nineteen years ago)

Putting things in perspective, there is simply nothing in the world worse than that twittering idiot posho bird, Lily so-called Allen, being let out of her gilded cage so she can flap about the once respectable hit parade. And it’s all thanks to billionaire tycoon Lord Keith Allen, using all the influence and clout that the name Fat Les carries to curry favour with bloody Murdoch so he can weasel his sprog onto the exclusive MySpace empire!
Once on that rarefied playground of the monied and connected it was only a matter of time before pop kids - most of whom are working or lower-middle class and therefore don’t even know their own minds, let’s not forget - were duped into liking the sub-cod-phoney-not-even-proper-or-anything-ska-pop-so-called-“music” being peddled by the fairy princess, ‘Lolly’ (geddit?) Allen.
So that’s how things work these days, is it? Some silly, landed gentry tart asks pater for a hit single - and a hit album, and tour - Keithy then goes “whatever my devoted daughter wants, she shall receive”, clicks his fingers, and, hey-presto - a mix session on Annie Mac awaits. Well, PAH! Girls Aloud got to where they got thanks to NOBODY’S help. Just blood, sweat and tours. Graft. Doing it properly. Playing proper pop properly. PROPER! Get that? LILY ALLEN IS NOT PROPER! WHY WON’T PEOPLE LISTEN TO ME? HOW MANY TIMES?
She gets carried onstage on an IVORY sedan chair over a carpet of POOR PEOPLE, then flaunts around to the sound of ska pop - even though she’s not even a PROPER darkie, which means she shouldn’t be allowed. Afterwards she then gets driven back to the Allen big house, very big house in the country in a ROLLS ROYCE made from DIAMONDS glued together with the TEARS of the OPPRESSED while she LARFS and SCOFFS on PANDA steaks and snorting “GAK” and a drug so trendy YOU haven’t even HEARD of it.
And you know what? The public fucking lap it up! Well, it’s fat-faced men on internet music message boards who are the real arbiters of taste, not them thicko bastards, so anyone who likes Lily Allen can fuck off.

God, that young woman’s success makes me sick to my stomach.

― Sir Self-appointed guardian of taste (scarlet), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 11:01 (nineteen years ago)

I think the songs are catchy and innocent & summery & happy and they work, so there.

I really don't see why we need SEVEN MILLION MESSAGES (approx.) about who she is and whether her accent is real or not and why she's not from the right background and how that's the only thing that seems to matter in that funny medieval caste system the britishes live in and how that determines the score her album gets more than the music on there.

― StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 11:35 (nineteen years ago)

note to last 2 posters: ADD ME AS FRIEND

― Paul (scifisoul), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 12:00 (nineteen years ago)

no-one has been this 'love it or hate it' since...?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

Sir Self-appointed guardian of taste OTM, excellent post -- bit racist (PROJECTION!), but hey.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 12:14 (nineteen years ago)

I'll think you'll find it was a rather boring parody.

― jimnaseum - music to make you staga (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 12:56 (nineteen years ago)

i know right

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, I am so sick of angry, ironic, snarky, self-righteous music critics. That was embarrasing to read. wmurch3 has hit it on the head -- it looks like you've got an agenda, and it's sad to witness. That's why I stopped reading Pitchfork! And now I have to get it from Stylus. By the way, about two months ago, this site was the first place I'd ever heard of Lily Allen...a rave review of the tunes she posted on MySpace. I checked her out, loved her irreverence, and was excited that something this well-made might actually make it on the radio. I didn't give a sh*t where she came from, and it was fun reading her blogs and witnessing her fame explode week after week. However, I'm not sure where you're getting your facts. She never complained about any waiter, she never bragged about her dress, she never seriously complained about her upbringing (although who doesn't?), and if she does have an identity crisis, who's to blame her? She's f*cking 21 years old! Now, about the music, Dom, I think your rage has blinded you to what appear to my eyes to be harmless observances of her experiences as said 21-year-old. Whether or not they're embellished, who cares??? Whatever, it seems like Lily Allen's a flashpoint for controversy, which is fine in my book. I like that.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ The Unstoppable Troll Machine (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

Has anybody noticed the difference between the album and the myspace versions of "Smile"? I like the latter a lot more and I don't know where else I can find it. Any info?

― daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

And the flipside of all the cattiness is "Littlest things", which also happens to be best track on the album and brings a tear to even my wizened and jaded eye!

Good old Jerry. I wasn't prepared for this song when I heard it, listening to the album for the first time, on the bus. Before I knew it there were tears and then I played it again and it happened again.

She's got the kind of voice that makes you feel you know her, and that's pretty rare I think.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

Lex = spot on. In America, this stuff reads as idie-pop for uptight Anglophiles who sneer at "mainstream taste." Belle & Sebastian with beats.

Still, it's pretty damn great, for what it is. Funny, nasty, contrived and really quite charming.

But DAMN that Stylus review is some crazy shit. A frothing bag of displaced hostilities. Hope dude's got some kids to beat, or he might end up hurting someone...

― fuckfuckingfuckedfucker (fuckfuckingfuckedfucker), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

I've enjoyed this album for a good 3 weeks, but alas as expected I've already lost interest. these types of albums never seen to have any longetivity

― boonah (boonah), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe we should stop liking the music in public and Dom 'n Lex will stop hating on her so much? (Maybe they're like our Picture Of Dorian Gray, hating her more every time we say we find music quite catchy & fun? Except they're not hanging in our attic like they should - like the picture is in the book, I mean, er, analogy needs more work)

So yeah, she sucks.

― StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

I say, Esteban OTM.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 07:13 (nineteen years ago)

With shock, I heard her blasting from speakers on the street here in Moscow. She is everywhere.

― i'll mitya halfway (mitya), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 08:09 (nineteen years ago)

lovely

"... even if only for one weekend"

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 08:32 (nineteen years ago)

I love this album, and I'm totally rockist. Make of that what you will.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 09:14 (nineteen years ago)

the beginning of "little things" / "littlest things" sounds like karma police, btw

: )

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:13 (nineteen years ago)

The line that always gets me is "you'd take me shopping / and all we'd buy is trainers / as if we needed anything to entertain us"...

Tear googles ahoy.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

yeh, it's one of those "ambushed by unexpected emotion" tracks innit?

The beginning of it reminds me of a different song from Karma Police -some 70's ballad I can't put my finger on.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:27 (nineteen years ago)

'sexy sadie'

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:30 (nineteen years ago)

no, not sexy sadie.

shame for you is obviously "no, no, no" by dawn penn. what with this and the fucking paris hilton track is it another 1993-style Reggae-lite revival?

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:35 (nineteen years ago)

not really by dawn penn, dog latin!

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

oh yeh? who did it first?

the song i'm thinking of is maybe that "where do you go to my lovely?" or something from that era.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 11:00 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:b27ibka9hakz

uh, i think it was Dawn Penn who did No, No, No. AllMusic seems to think so.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 11:03 (nineteen years ago)

my colleague compared her to a "watered-down version of Pauline Black" from the Selecter, which I thought was a bit weird.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 11:10 (nineteen years ago)

i thought that song sounds like the start of Cat Stevens' Wild World..

― Shooz (shooz), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

The recent hit was by Dawn Penn.

The original was by Dawn Penn.

k'poing.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 12:19 (nineteen years ago)

well i never.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 12:20 (nineteen years ago)

(RC might be thinking of the version by KC White that was done I think a few years after the original)

― todd (todd), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

i was thinking of the one one 'x00% dynamite', yerp.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

I like the idea that if I released a song about helping zombie Hitler rape a retarded Palestinian baby I would have a far shorter ILM thread devoted to me than if I went to a particular school and talked a particular way and released a gentle, inoffensive to the point of being unnoticable, song. Then I would get 1000 answers.

Or maybe I'm missing something.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

Oh right, the #1 hit thing. Never mind.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

The Keith Allen thing doesn't help

― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

Nor does the video.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

it's the 'look ma, no PR' bullshit.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

It's just bullshit.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

it's the 'look ma, no PR' bullshit.

isn't it the 'look ma (the famous film producer), no PR' bullshit?

― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

I still have no fucking idea who Keith Allen is (he is fat? And affluent? Or something?), and bullshit PR tactics aren't exactly unique to her. The whole thing makes me feel either too old or too young, I can't figure out which.

In the end I'm assuming it all comes down to Lily seeming like a peer and this opening her up to a whole bunch of criticisms that wouldn't normally be applied to anyone else (as happened with the Strokes) but jeeeez.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

Keith Allen co-wrote a couple of football songs in the nineties which sold quite well.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

A peer? Are your parents famous media people too?

― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

Please, my parents weren't modeling agency owners and I didn't go to private school but I still recognized that I was in roughly the same social group as the Strokes for all intents and purposes (white college-educated kids with parents to fall back on, living in New York and being artsy) and that the fact that I had been around people like that for a certain portion of my life allowed me to assume certain things about them that I couldn't about, say, Master P. Familiarity breeds you-know-what.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

if only Lily would team up with her Dad for a reworking of 'Tickle Tune' we could have the best Christmas #1 ever and credibility restored.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

TS: Giles Coren vs AA Gill (20 new answers)

― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

TS: Victoria Coren vs Nicola Formby (1679 new answers)

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

the strokes also had shitty music.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

TS: Roddy McMillan vs Andy McEvoy (-2 new answers)

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

Has anybody noticed the difference between the album and the myspace versions of "Smile"? I like the latter a lot more and I don't know where else I can find it. Any info?

The album and singles all suck because the songs have been rerecorded to avoid sampling lawsuits!! I don't think the MySpace versions have been commercially released in any form. Even the original limited-edition 7" of "LDN"/"Knock 'Em Out" is re-recorded! And not only does it not contain the "AIDS! AIDS! I've got AIDS!" bit, it fades out right after "I gotta go. My house is on fire." It doesn't even get to "I've got syphilus" before it fades out completely!! Not to mention the fact that the production on the re-recorded tracks is too damn shiny. It sounds like a fucking ABBA record! I want my Lily Allen to sound all lo-fi, like they're being played on the very same 1980s old-school boombox that Lily's jamming to on the album cover. You can't listen to no impeccably-produced pop songs on a boombox like that!!

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

Yes but EMI can't make any money out of lo-fi being played on a 1980s old-school boombox, see Go! Team QED.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

Word!

― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

also lo-fi reggaei-lite with AIDS references sounds EVEN WORSE than what she actually released.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, at least Typically Tropical didn't put any AIDS references in "Barbados."

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

High. The only thing that could possibly be better than lo-fi reggae-lite would be lo-fi reggae-lite with AIDS references.

― fuckfuckingfuckedfucker (fuckfuckingfuckedfucker), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

i haven't criticised lallen on class grounds at all (though dom and marcello have). to be honest the mockney accent is massively grating to me, but i don't give a shit about her realness (i contend that her realness - in the sense that she writes the songs herself and so on, rather than she's lived the life herself - is more important to those who like her). i'm well aware that if i liked the music i'd forgove most of it in a heartbeat (i like MIA innit). but her MUSIC SOUNDS TERRIBLE and the lyrics mostly make me cringe.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

No! Her music is great and the lyrics are funny!

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

You're mixing "her" up with Billy Connolly.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

"You can't knock em out. You can't walk away.
Try desperately to think of the politest way to say,
'Just get out my face. Just leave me alone.
And no you cant have me number. Cause I lost my phone.'"

Come on. That's a GREAT verse!!

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

It doesn't scan.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

it's not very good.

tbh NEITHER IS PARIS HILTON

but it's just very, very underwhelming.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

Are you serious? (xxpost) LOL

― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

i have no idea what music you like from this decade, Enrique.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

me neither.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

well, plenty of tings up to about 2003, but when i started reading ilx i went right off music.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

And no you cant have me number. Cause I lost my phone.'

With the expensive education she'd had i would expect better English than this! Tut tut!

― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

well, plenty of tings up to about 2003, but when i started reading ilx i went right off music.

LIKE WHAT?

why did ILX put you off music?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

i liked basement jaxx and the neptunes and goldfrapp and um y'know whatever random r'n'b i heard + liked.

ilm's overload of STUFF and OPINIONS put me off. i don't like talking about music -- but tbh already by that point was kind of adrift, with dance music, and hip hop, and HATED the garage revival, post-strokes thing.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

k thx

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

i don't like talking about music

You do realise you are on a message board for talking about music?

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

Is Lily Allen the voice of that "I need a man to stick it out.... Oohooohho, think slow (shaboom, shaboom)" song? Sorry if this shows my ignorance!

― JTS (JTS), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

On that NME cover, she looks like Jade Goody.

― JTS (JTS), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

No offence to her, it's just not a good photo.

― JTS (JTS), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

This album is OK, and has at least 3 or 4 really great tracks. So definitely not album of the year, but there's nothing wrong with it.

― zeus (zeus), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

Is Lily Allen the voice of that "I need a man to stick it out.... Oohooohho, think slow (shaboom, shaboom)" song? Sorry if this shows my ignorance!

wow. i think you're thinking of "mushaboom" by leslie feist. they couldn't be more different.

― william, it was really nothing (superpopelectro), Thursday, 27 July 2006 01:50 (nineteen years ago)

It's on the "Silentnight" mattress advert, if it helps.

― JTS (JTS), Thursday, 27 July 2006 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

'[the album] ends with a song called “Alfie” that makes you lose all faith in this country, a horrific “supply teacher trying to act cool to his third period class” piece of “yeah, weed makes you TIRED, innit blood” that destroys any hope that Allen could have Been Something.'

This is baffling - surely everyone has at some point known someone who smoked so much weed they weren't fun any more? It's not like she makes any generalisations about drugs.

― Nedpoleon (NedBeauman), Thursday, 27 July 2006 06:20 (nineteen years ago)

chris moyles just played the Vile version, and then to make matters even worse he did his own ..

― mark e (mark e), Thursday, 27 July 2006 07:06 (nineteen years ago)

Bitter and vindictive? It's a break-up album for heaven's sake! When did ILM become such a bunch of milquetoasts?!

this might be the real crux of it. if yall actually *read* dom's review, the rub isn't (just) that she's a well-connected media daughter with a private education, it's that she comes across as really unpleasant.

i take jerry's point but she goes beyond the call of break-up album duty. the video for 'smile' is like a sped-up ep of 'hollyoaks' or something. horrible.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Thursday, 27 July 2006 07:31 (nineteen years ago)

Hello..
You really think I'm niiiiiiice...
but when you play it twiiiiiice...
you'll see the inner viiiiiiice...

There. Done. Don't have to actually record it.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 27 July 2006 07:34 (nineteen years ago)

chris moyles just played the Vile version, and then to make matters even worse he did his own ..

you're listening to him whY?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 27 July 2006 08:48 (nineteen years ago)

It's true love.

― alext (alext), Thursday, 27 July 2006 08:58 (nineteen years ago)

She ain't nasty, she just don't brook no shit from scummy men. Go sister!

I like the album, but she's going to be a better actress than pop star.

― Pete W (peterw), Thursday, 27 July 2006 09:15 (nineteen years ago)

...a comparable reinvention of the musical wheel...

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Thursday, 27 July 2006 09:20 (nineteen years ago)

you're listening to him whY?

yeah - i know, dreadful thing to admit, but was taking the offspring to childcare, which isn't far enough to power up the mp3 player - so easy option.

― mark e (mark e), Thursday, 27 July 2006 09:24 (nineteen years ago)

Lilly Allen = good.
-- Dom Passantino (juror...), March 16th, 2006.

SEE ME

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Thursday, 27 July 2006 09:24 (nineteen years ago)

sounds like dom and i had a similar experience. for 2/3 weeks i loved the album, then something clicked and the nastiness/unpleasantness really came home, the video subsequently sealed my opinion.

― mark e (mark e), Thursday, 27 July 2006 09:30 (nineteen years ago)

Loved the album for a month and LOVE IT STILL!

can't see the fuss either from the haytaz. the same people never ever mention the background of your thom yorkes or your mike skinners but suddenly it's a *girl* and everyone's got their
knickers in a twist.

and that paris hilton song i've just heard BY THE WAY and let me tell you it stinks. BLOODY AWFUL it is.

― pisces (piscesx), Thursday, 27 July 2006 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

the same people never ever mention the background of your thom yorkes or your mike skinners but suddenly it's a *girl* and everyone's got their knickers in a twist.

yes. yes, that's what it is.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Thursday, 27 July 2006 12:27 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, nobody ever called Mike Skinner out on his accent Pisces, that's a pretty salient observation.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 27 July 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

And, man, if Thom Yorke does one more song about his rough urban upbringing, I'm gonna scream!

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 27 July 2006 12:29 (nineteen years ago)

Does Lily Allen sing about rough urban upbringings? If so I'm glad I missed those; it's kind of hard to imagine.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 27 July 2006 12:34 (nineteen years ago)

Speaking of Skinner:

Ms_smile writes:
"You may or may not know that one of Lily Allen's best friends is the beautiful t4 presenter Miquita Oliver. A couple of yearsago, Miquita was seeing The Streets' Mike Skinner and told Lily she was missing him, as Skinner was performing in Japan. She wasn't aware at the time that Lily had flown out to Tokyo for 24 hours to shag him."

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 27 July 2006 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

I hear Lily Allen was best friends with MIA but then Lily slept with Diplo and MIA got all mad but then she found herself getting aroused and they totally did it.

(Note to self: write ILM slash.)

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 28 July 2006 02:19 (nineteen years ago)

i fucking hate thom yorke and mike skinner even more than lallen.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 28 July 2006 07:08 (nineteen years ago)

You may or may not know that one of Lily Allen's best friends is the beautiful t4 presenter Miquita Oliver

Beautiful?

― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Friday, 28 July 2006 08:49 (nineteen years ago)

fit

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 08:50 (nineteen years ago)

She looks healthy, I'll give you that

― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Friday, 28 July 2006 08:50 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, but unfortunately she knows it.

(xpost)

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 28 July 2006 09:04 (nineteen years ago)

"considering the amount of prang you'd done you looked amazing on ~~cd uk~~popworld"

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 09:07 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, but unfortunately she knows it.

Weird. I don't get it at all.

― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Friday, 28 July 2006 09:11 (nineteen years ago)

how would you describe her? 'average-looking T4 presenter'?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 28 July 2006 09:17 (nineteen years ago)

I'd rather shag Simon.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 28 July 2006 09:46 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, that's exactly how I would descibe her (xpost)

― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Friday, 28 July 2006 09:46 (nineteen years ago)

i think miquita is pretty.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:16 (nineteen years ago)

simon looks like a squashed hamster.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:16 (nineteen years ago)

LOOK AT THAT FUCKING CHIN

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ The Unstoppable Troll Machine (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:17 (nineteen years ago)

i think miquita is pretty

She's not ugly, she's just extremely average looking

― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:19 (nineteen years ago)

she's no anastasia myskina, that's for sure!

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:23 (nineteen years ago)

she is prettier than lily allen though. what was skinner thinking?

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:26 (nineteen years ago)

she's no anastasia myskina, that's for sure!

But of course! Anastasia's legs are miles better for a start!

― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:30 (nineteen years ago)

... and she doesn't flash them anything like as often as Miquita!

― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:31 (nineteen years ago)

Miquita is cute in a very real sense.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:46 (nineteen years ago)

Well, it's all a matter of personal preference I suppose

― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:51 (nineteen years ago)

this 'naive' song is a cover of a kooks song, right?

well, anyway, i dont know which version ive heard, but its v reminiscent of a cardigans song, i just cant think which one...

― -- (688), Thursday, 3 August 2006 06:26 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/05/arts/music/05alle.html

“She’s young and female, a bit urban and street, but also fashiony. She’s very now.”

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Saturday, 5 August 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

hey i am FASHIONY WHERE is my wolf ticket???????????????????????????

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 5 August 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

Fuck fuckity fuck-fuck fucking New York fucking Times fucking shit fuck fuck fuckyou.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Sunday, 6 August 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

"Myspace hero"?!

― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Sunday, 6 August 2006 12:10 (nineteen years ago)

"The album followed a No. 1 single, 'Smile,' a lilting reggae confection that sounds so sunny on first listen that it is shocking to realize that it is a vengeful goodbye to a contrite cheater."

SHOCKING!

― Martin Van Buren (Martin Van Buren), Sunday, 6 August 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

"She is a pretty, petite woman whose trademark outfit — a vintage evening dress accessorized with flashy sneakers, a 60’s updo, heavy eyeliner, door-knocker earrings and gold chains — recalls Gwen Stefani in the way it stylishly synthesizes a dizzying array of influences."

OMG I am DIZZY because of her many different kinds of clothes! Only Gwen Stefani has ever dressed so outrageously!

― Martin Van Buren (Martin Van Buren), Sunday, 6 August 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

If only she were a rich girl.

― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Sunday, 6 August 2006 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

Also, thanks for telling me what the president of her record label thinks of her music, Newyorktimes!

― Martin Van Buren (Martin Van Buren), Sunday, 6 August 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

REMEMBER BACK IN 1936 WHEN HITLER WAS "VERY NOW"???

― Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Sunday, 6 August 2006 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

"reggae confection" = Bassett's Liquorice Israelites

― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Sunday, 6 August 2006 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

i had some lily allen album tracks playing last night at a bbq and was asked "what is this" many, many times.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Sunday, 6 August 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

the day sia michel writes an article for the times that doesn't mention the looks of whoever she's writing about is the day that the world ends.

― maura (maura), Sunday, 6 August 2006 23:34 (nineteen years ago)

What exactly are the words Belle and Sebastian doing on this thread?

I think they are misprints for "Belle Stars" (also see below).

my colleague compared her to a "watered-down version of Pauline Black" from the Selecter, which I thought was a bit weird.

Hm interesting! Can I ask how old s/he was? As an outsider in nationality and (partly) time, I definitely get a UK 1979-81 feeling from the four songs I've heard -- "Oh this must be on Stiff Records", if you see what I mean.

― The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Monday, 7 August 2006 00:22 (nineteen years ago)

vintner, he is 40 this year and is a big music fan but grew uip in the punk/postpunk eras.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 7 August 2006 10:39 (nineteen years ago)

she made it into a diplo set this weekend.

― jergins (jergins), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 03:48 (nineteen years ago)

meeting of the minds, etc. people didn't dance much to it.

― jergins (jergins), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 03:49 (nineteen years ago)

I assume this single will be number one immediately it's out.

-- mark grout (mark.grou...) (webmail), June 26th, 2006 8:34 AM. (link)

I assumed right. I see she's doing a video for LDN now. As opposed to one she made earlier. I assume this single will also be number one immediately it's out.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 21 August 2006 10:08 (nineteen years ago)

hype's worn off.

― Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Monday, 21 August 2006 10:11 (nineteen years ago)

"I hate that Lily 'cockhead' Allen."

― Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Monday, 21 August 2006 10:13 (nineteen years ago)

JESUS WTF?

as in, I hovered my mouse over the word "Trainers" and I immediately get a popup advertising the Nike website!

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 21 August 2006 10:15 (nineteen years ago)

ooh, check so-offhand-it-hurts dig at miquita.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 21 August 2006 10:18 (nineteen years ago)

"quietly made her foul point"

― rtccc (mwah), Monday, 21 August 2006 10:23 (nineteen years ago)

peaches and her posh mate sound hateful too, it must be said.

― Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Monday, 21 August 2006 10:25 (nineteen years ago)

Apart from the whole story sounds like cobblers.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 21 August 2006 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, how do you 'gob' onto the back of someone's trainers?

Did she kneel down? Or was Peaches actually holding them?

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 21 August 2006 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

it's not the point, if it's true or not, the point is the mirror wants to print it and therefore (ooh, well, this bit is shaky) people want to read it.

― Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Monday, 21 August 2006 10:40 (nineteen years ago)

What it means is that Peaches Geloff's PR have pissed off the 3am Girls and Lallen's PR have given them an exclusive on something else.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 21 August 2006 10:43 (nineteen years ago)

For the record , I did not spit at the lovely Peaches Geldof . I went to the V festival and some silly journo came up to me and said ' Hi lily , that peaches , over there , said you are a stupid cokehead . Why dont you go over and have a word with her ? ' . I've known Peaches for a while now , and doubt she would say such a thing , so I ignored this journalist ( I use term journalist loosely ! ) and went about my day .
Thank you for your time

By the way Peaches is a lovely , incredibly intelligent young lady , and I want you to know there is no issue there whatsoever .

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 25 August 2006 11:01 (nineteen years ago)

I still don't understand why people don't like Lily Allen, especially the hardcore poptimists. The argument that Lily is fake and nasty just doesn't ring true. If she is fake, then what is true? If she is nasty then how is her subject matter any nastier than a rapper singing about hos and bitches nd money?

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Friday, 25 August 2006 11:15 (nineteen years ago)

lily on time out's 'carnival' cover -- how apt for this week of debate on multiculturalism.

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Friday, 25 August 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

lallen's realness or lack thereof isn't why i dislike her (though it is why i resent her getting all this publicity). i fundamentally don't like her musical style, think the songs are shit, and find her voice (and esp the mockney accent) grating. i don't find her musical persona compelling either - in fact it slots neatly alongside a whole range of laddish/ladettish musical personae which are offputting to me. because of all of this, her hypocrisy in interviews also irks me, but as i've said a gazillion times, it's not something i focus on given how easily i'd forgive it if the music or persona were any good (see MIA, paris hilton, etc)

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 25 August 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

I see she's done the Kooks' "Naive" as a b-side to "LDN".

That's quite well meaning of her!

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 25 September 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

i like her version of 'Naive' much more than i thought i would (see also cover of Khazi Chefs 'OMG'). Have warmed to 'LDN' LOADS also - it's so whirly.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 25 September 2006 13:00 (nineteen years ago)

I could've qualified above by pointing out I HAET Kooks but perhaps not necessary.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 25 September 2006 13:00 (nineteen years ago)

Amber and Alice like the song loads. Alice especially as she's just managed to ride a bike for the first time.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 25 September 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.nme.com/news/lily-allen/24486
A date with ~~Elvis~~ Lily Allen, £2,000 ?

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 28 September 2006 08:51 (nineteen years ago)

stevem why you liek lallen?

― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Thursday, 28 September 2006 08:56 (nineteen years ago)

I'll wait until she rings me up to ask whether I've ever considered changing my gas supplier.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 28 September 2006 08:57 (nineteen years ago)

i only like half of her album. i prefer it when she actually sings rather than the more bantery stuff altho 'knock 'em out' and 'alfie' are alright. it is probably a fleeting fancy as have gone off 'Smile' a bit already. it's very stupid that 'LDN' still hasn't actually been released yet.

found the Soundboy Dub dnb mix of 'Smile' on slsk - pretty bad but not as bad as the grimey Gutter mix which is appalling. dance remixes of Allen are a VERY bad idea (see also Wookie mix of LDN) unless they're going to remove her voice almost completely or just shove a load of delays on some snippets for that dubby effect. her voice def. isn't suited to more uptempo treatment - but then her songs are all quite slow in their original form.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 28 September 2006 09:19 (nineteen years ago)

it's very stupid that 'LDN' still hasn't actually been released yet
?? (I bought the CD single on Monday!)

I don't much like her indie cover versions.

― zebedee (zebedee), Thursday, 28 September 2006 11:23 (nineteen years ago)

i suspected it came out last Monday and didn't notice it at #27 last week on downloads.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 28 September 2006 11:25 (nineteen years ago)

the Warbox Original Dub of 'LDN' is OK and pretty much the only route to go with Allen remixes it seems.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 28 September 2006 11:26 (nineteen years ago)

hurray! 'nan you're a window shopper' is on the bsides too. they must
have cleared the sample (or removed it?)

― pisces (piscesx), Thursday, 28 September 2006 12:35 (nineteen years ago)

Saw this album in Tesco for sub-£5 already.

― steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Thursday, 28 September 2006 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

seems to have sold reasonably well tho.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 28 September 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

the shitty "rock" song she put on her album endears me to her so much for some reason

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 28 September 2006 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

About 150,000 last time I looked.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 28 September 2006 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.musiclikedirt.com/2006/09/27/lily-allen-alright-steal/

― StanM (StanM), Thursday, 28 September 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

anyone else heard the Switch remix of LDN yet? completely bizarre, as usual. even stranger than his spank rock remix maybe.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 28 September 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

it's not as good as the DJ Wrongtom 'STH LDN' mix - how do I get my hands on that?? and what about this South Rakkas Crew mix?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Saturday, 30 September 2006 07:05 (nineteen years ago)

I thought the acoustic version of LDN she played on Jonathan Ross last night was awesome! She actually has a really, really good voice.

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Saturday, 30 September 2006 08:11 (nineteen years ago)

download it here: http://www.myspace.com/djwrongtom

(xpost)

― StanM (StanM), Saturday, 30 September 2006 09:19 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...

Next stop for Lily Allen: America! Although I think the most likely to succeed British export would be Amy Winehouse. But since Rupert Murdoch is bankrolling Lily's career to prove how huge MySpace is I suppose she'll do well regardless of how ill-suited she is for American radio.

― musically (musically), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:52 (eighteen years ago)

SNL next week. I've still not heard any of her music.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:06 (eighteen years ago)

Wow really, SNL? That's good for her...

Amy Winehouse is much more deserving of stardom, but Lil Allen is pleasant enough. I keep seeing these little commercials with her on MTV... some annoying voice screams LILY ALLEN and then she talks for a few seconds about random shit. I guess they're prepping us for LILY-MANIA.

― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:07 (eighteen years ago)

Amy Winehouse desrves nothing but a round house to the face (hopefully from Lily Allen)

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:17 (eighteen years ago)

Amy Winehouse desrves nothing but a round house to the face

You mean an igloo?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:18 (eighteen years ago)

Momus to thread.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:19 (eighteen years ago)

Amy Winehouse desrves nothing but a round house to the face (hopefully from Lily Allen)

Why do you say that?

― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:20 (eighteen years ago)

Lily Allen's acoustic performance of LDN on Jonathan Ross was really, really good. I think I may have said that somewhere else on this thread. But she does have really good pipes. I wish there was an MP3 of the audio of that.

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:24 (eighteen years ago)

Amy Winehouse desrves nothing but a round house to the face (hopefully from Lily Allen)

Why do you say that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Stanton

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:25 (eighteen years ago)

If Allen succeeds beyond the indie/college crowd it will be quite unfortunate, as I can think of far superior acts that have tried to break the US to no avail. At the same time, perhaps it will give some hope to UK record execs that with a bit more push than they've given in the past, some of the better UK acts can be successfully exported.

― musically (musically), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:44 (eighteen years ago)

america is welcome to her.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 22 January 2007 10:01 (eighteen years ago)

Well, "Alfie" the single will be up shortly.

No doubt, Sandie Shaw's "Puppet on a string" will be charting on downloads at the same time! (maybe not)

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 22 January 2007 10:26 (eighteen years ago)

I really don't undersytand why so many people don't get her...?

Amy Winehouse makes me want to puke on sight.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 22 January 2007 11:56 (eighteen years ago)

I didn't like what I heard by Lily Allen, but I didn't get the sense that I wasn't "getting" something.

― R_S (RSLaRue), Monday, 22 January 2007 12:06 (eighteen years ago)

me too: please to explain dog latin?

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 22 January 2007 12:07 (eighteen years ago)

Anti-semitism.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 22 January 2007 12:08 (eighteen years ago)

I dunno... I don't really see why people will slag her off when really Alright Still is the 2006 equivalent of Original Pirate Material with a cheeky lass instead of a chavvy lad. I won't listen to it all the time but tracks like LDN and Alfie are great summer songs, while things like Friday Night and Friend Of Mine represent the darker side. It's hard to try and sell her when I don't know what it is that people DON'T like about her if you see what I mean? People go "Oh she's a spoilt brat who's getting by on her Daddy's money" which doesn't really make sense because most singer pop stars come from a stage-school background and are endorsed by wealth. The bitchiness she displays on Alright Still is no different from Mike Skinner's rogueishness on OPM yet somehow she gets slagged off for it whereas Skinner was lauded in his day.

What is it people don't like about her?

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 22 January 2007 12:16 (eighteen years ago)

Alright Still is the 2006 equivalent of Original Pirate Material with a cheeky lass instead of a chavvy lad.

OMG I HAD NEVER LOOKED AT IT THAT WAY BEFORE.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 22 January 2007 12:20 (eighteen years ago)

are you being sarcastic?

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 22 January 2007 12:21 (eighteen years ago)

again?

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 22 January 2007 12:22 (eighteen years ago)

Again, Still

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 22 January 2007 12:22 (eighteen years ago)

Lily was a big fan of getting the absolute shit fucked out her after a show...(NSFW, blimey)

― King Boy Pato (patog27), Monday, 22 January 2007 12:41 (eighteen years ago)

Amy Winehouse has a great voice. No comment on her lyrics

― the Dirt (FunkDirt), Monday, 22 January 2007 12:47 (eighteen years ago)

It would help if she stopped singing like some kind of cigar-smoking overweight whiskered Mississippi blueswoman.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:09 (eighteen years ago)

...who also happens to be lobotomised.

"No...Nurrgh... Noh!"

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:09 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe she is. Modern surgury is amazing, look at MJ

― the Dirt (FunkDirt), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:11 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

http://media.www.dailyiowan.com/media/storage/paper599/news/2007/02/08/Opinions/Skin-Deep.Sincerity-2705229.shtml

I don't even know where Iowa is.

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 23 February 2007 16:07 (eighteen years ago)

Isle Of White, Asshole

― the next grozart, Friday, 23 February 2007 16:14 (eighteen years ago)

heard this in a shop today... I think I came around on it somehow. It's not that bad really.

― fandango, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:08 (eighteen years ago)

his quoting of grant hill provides a devastating argument.

― keythkeyth, Saturday, 24 February 2007 17:08 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

I have been Lily Allened and I'm so much happier for it.

― Bimble, Sunday, 25 March 2007 23:14 (eighteen years ago)

I'm seeing her tomorrow...I've heard mixed reviews of her concerts but I'm looking forward to it.

― musically, Sunday, 25 March 2007 23:46 (eighteen years ago)

After all I've said about her... she is wearing some nice shoes in the video to "Alfie"

― Dom Passantino, Sunday, 25 March 2007 23:50 (eighteen years ago)

But it's sold out tomorrow! WHY ME? Why? Am I to hang around outside the gig and pay a zillion for a ticket? Am I reduced to that? Really?

― Bimble, Monday, 26 March 2007 00:26 (eighteen years ago)

Baby she beats the shit out of the Streets, that's what I say.

― Bimble, Monday, 26 March 2007 00:27 (eighteen years ago)

Things sell out at the Showbox so fast...I just saw that the Arctic Monkeys are playing there and it's already sold out. I think they're a bit too big for the Showbox now, the Moore seems more their type. Check CL for tickets...be prepared to pay at least $50 or so though.

― musically, Monday, 26 March 2007 00:59 (eighteen years ago)

and to think when she played the crocodile a few months ago it was three quarters and most people didn't seem to give a shit

― jergincito, Monday, 26 March 2007 12:05 (eighteen years ago)

has anyone mentioned the greatness of opening a summery girly pop tune with the lines:
' riding around on my bike all day / cause the filth took away my motor'

― grap-fu, Monday, 26 March 2007 12:19 (eighteen years ago)

Licence, there!

Baby she beats the shit out of the Streets, that's what I say.

Bimble on Monday, 26 March 2007 00:27 (12 hours ago)

beats, and the rest! (hem hem...)

― Mark G, Monday, 26 March 2007 12:31 (eighteen years ago)

has anyone mentioned the greatness of opening a summery girly pop tune with the lines:
' riding around on my bike all day / cause the filth took away my motor'

no, not one over-pampered word magazine/omm-brand thirtysomething music journalist who neither regards the police as filth nor refers to their car as a motor has remarked on the great urchin pop sass of this line, not one.

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:16 (eighteen years ago)

Perhaps it's because we recognise a poor Chas and Dave imitation when we hear one.

― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:20 (eighteen years ago)

Chas and Dave > Lallen.

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:26 (eighteen years ago)

'Scuse me while I kiss the sky!

She is the woman of the year. Hormones or sexuality aside, she's made me so proud for British music. Been several years now since the Brits have presented me with a decent new musical act and boy am I a happy anglphile now.

― Bimble, Saturday, 31 March 2007 05:33 (eighteen years ago)

"And no you can't have my number/cause I lost my phone"

This is the line that killed me. Perhaps it's not so much the lyrics but the melody. I don't know but whatever it is, it witched me out. I am taken.

And the calypso horns on the song that follows! That's why I love her!

Young though she is, she knows Happy Mondays. Let's keep this in mind.

― Bimble, Saturday, 31 March 2007 05:36 (eighteen years ago)

Anyone here know Death By Chocolate? A few bits remind me of that as well.

― Bimble, Saturday, 31 March 2007 05:39 (eighteen years ago)

"Take What You Take" was the song she hated so much...and the one I found most embarassing for her...but if you listen to the big climax at the end of that song...The Pixies won't have a thing on her this year, mark my words.

Don't even get me started on the soothing reggae of "Friend Of Mine"...

― Bimble, Saturday, 31 March 2007 06:02 (eighteen years ago)

Woman of the Year, Album of the Year, etc etc. I am smitten. Good old fashioned Brit stuff, man. That's what I need. Always I want to have good old fashioned Brit stuff in my life. Americans couldn't do a decent reggae track if their lives depended on it. In fact, they wouldn't even try. It's not their forte.

I love her cover of the Kooks' "Naive" too. I love it all. She's my hero.

― Bimble, Sunday, 1 April 2007 07:49 (eighteen years ago)

BIMBLE DO YOU LIKE LILY ALLEN?

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Sunday, 1 April 2007 08:07 (eighteen years ago)

This is a job for...*deep voice* Mr. Obvious Man!!!!

In a single bound!

― Bimble, Sunday, 1 April 2007 08:25 (eighteen years ago)

Hahahaha.

― Bimble, Sunday, 1 April 2007 08:30 (eighteen years ago)

So, Bimble, did you get to see her? I thought she was great live; I couldn't stay for the whole show, but what I saw was terrific.

Fuck the Showbox for making the Jarvis Cocker concert 21+ though. Or at least for having it a month too early.

― musically, Sunday, 1 April 2007 09:01 (eighteen years ago)

No, I confess I let it go, I didn't bother. I only had about enough money for some necessary groceries and felt it would be ridiculously irresponsible of me to waste $50 on a ticket. Of course, if I'd gotten paid that day I would have gone.

I regret it now of course, but oh well. I just had a feeling at the time that it wasn't meant to be. She's young. She'll be back.

― Bimble, Sunday, 1 April 2007 09:12 (eighteen years ago)

i thought you were british, bimble. now i get it.

― That one guy that quit, Sunday, 1 April 2007 11:27 (eighteen years ago)

Hahahah. Probably a common mistake.

― Bimble, Sunday, 1 April 2007 16:12 (eighteen years ago)

Lilly Allen is....HOT!

― wesley useche, Monday, 2 April 2007 01:03 (eighteen years ago)

Hey, now I'm paying attention to this thread since my npr-listening friends are into Lily Allen! Dom, Iowa's that middle of the US state where I am. I think the Passatino-hate is coming from the larger of our partying college towns, unsurprisingly.

― mh, Monday, 2 April 2007 16:47 (eighteen years ago)

it's amazing to me that that dude spends pretty much the entire piece discussing passantino's article and yet doesn't quote from it once.

― s1ocki, Monday, 2 April 2007 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

i agree with the iowan person and not dom when it comes to lily allen - i personally do not give two (2x) shits about lily allen's "background" except whatever of it comes out in her music; i also don't mind that she doesn't clown on herself - i mean if that were a requirement i'd have to throw out 90% of my record collection

plus you have to admit it is a legendary piece of music writing that includes the sentence "Grant Hill once said that image is nothing, thirst is everything" haha

― Tracer Hand, Monday, 2 April 2007 17:49 (eighteen years ago)

"Top-tier production, mos def."

there aren't enough owls on the internet to do this justice.

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 2 April 2007 18:47 (eighteen years ago)

the guardian has really gone big on this 'ldn is a victim' track. i feel blessed never to have heard either it or any of the people mentioned in it and the old geezer the graun brought in today seems to be pretty much 8080, but lily allen's reaction is certainly instructive...

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 13 April 2007 08:14 (eighteen years ago)

I find it embarassing if she really said that. She's a bit wet behind the ears eh? That's the same impression I got of her in an interview on You Tube.

I still love her music, but if she starts saying things like that in her lyrics, I'm seriously going to have to rethink my love for her art.

I don't actually think she's that stupid...I hope.

― Bimble, Saturday, 14 April 2007 05:37 (eighteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

Newest Lily Allen fan -- right-wing 'marriage = man and woman ONLY' National Review writer Stanley Kurtz!

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 May 2007 15:02 (eighteen years ago)

I don't know if I would call that song "conservative". She does sing at one point (to her stoner little brother):

Now how the hell do you ever expect that you'll get laid,
When all you do is stay in playing your computer games?

That doesn't really sound like a conservative sentiment.

― o. nate, Thursday, 10 May 2007 15:05 (eighteen years ago)

haha lily allen

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 10 May 2007 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

Conservatives get laid by staying in playing computer games?

― Alba, Thursday, 10 May 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

Lallen's boyfriend is a fat balding bloke, so there's hope for ILX yet.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 10 May 2007 15:46 (eighteen years ago)

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver otm

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 10 May 2007 15:48 (eighteen years ago)

I mean she's basically just telling him to get a life. I don't see that as being either conservative or liberal really.

― o. nate, Thursday, 10 May 2007 15:58 (eighteen years ago)

Plus it's suggested that she was the one that gave him his first joint.

― everything, Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:30 (eighteen years ago)

yeah but she has said that poor people get what they deserve too.

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

but wow if she smokes weed i guess she can't be a conservative.

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:32 (eighteen years ago)

She can, but she's feeling guilty about it.

― everything, Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:45 (eighteen years ago)

yeah but she has said that poor people get what they deserve too

Link?

― o. nate, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:02 (eighteen years ago)

Is that mockney bitch STILL around?

― King Boy Pato, Friday, 11 May 2007 01:51 (eighteen years ago)

"So what if w'ere middle class? Just cause your mum was too lazy to get her fat ass up off the sofa and make some cash. I shouldn't be able to make tunes yeah? ( which is more than you're doing by the way.) Kate nash is well better than you, as are all the other people you talk about. Anyways im off to meet Jack Penate, Jamie T and the maccabees, for cucumber and cheese sandwiches in the conservatory. Thanks for the song it really has made us see the light, now we know where we belong."

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 11 May 2007 07:19 (eighteen years ago)

Well, that's one "celebrity" signed up for the Cameron election rally then.

― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 11 May 2007 07:25 (eighteen years ago)

Oh jeez, lighten up people. She didn't say that ALL POOR PEOPLE GET WHAT THEY DESERVE. She's responding to someone who obviously had the spare time and motivation to make a parody track, and probably could get up off the sofa and make some cash if they wanted to.

― o. nate, Friday, 11 May 2007 13:59 (eighteen years ago)

Oh jeez, lighten up people is how Nazi Germany started.

― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 11 May 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.nme.com/news/lily-allen/28362

zing culture

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 17 May 2007 12:57 (eighteen years ago)

cheryl probably does use autotune (bothered), but it's not like lily allen can sing for shit anyway.

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 17 May 2007 12:58 (eighteen years ago)

TS: dating a morbidly obese hip-hop DJ vs dating a gay guy

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:02 (eighteen years ago)

they should just make out already amirite fellas who's with me

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:08 (eighteen years ago)

Calum, just got offed, TV's Zane Lowe

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:09 (eighteen years ago)

i wz told the other day that alexa off popworld used to go out with the fat bloke out of the nextmen?

surely too good to be true

― r|t|c, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:15 (eighteen years ago)

The one that looks like Keith from The Office? Seriously?

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:16 (eighteen years ago)

thats what i heard

― r|t|c, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:18 (eighteen years ago)

Chung has previously dated fashion photographer David Titlow, although they are now separated. She was also rumoured to have been involved with her Popworld co-host Alex Zane, Faris Badwan of The Horrors, James Righton of Klaxons and also Brad Ellis of critically acclaimed production/songwriting group The Nextmen. She is currently in a relationship with Sean Smith, of Welsh rock band, The Blackout.

see, this is in the wiki cache

so either she deleted out of shame

or he put it there himself, cos what fiendish mind coulda come up with that

either way!

― r|t|c, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

daaaamn he rly does look like keith, good call

― r|t|c, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:22 (eighteen years ago)

That Nextmen ft Ty joint: heat.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:25 (eighteen years ago)

god knows why but i still have their 12 with pete rock's brother somewhere

oh yeah GRAP LUVA haha

― r|t|c, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:33 (eighteen years ago)

She is currently in a relationship with Sean Smith, of Welsh rock band, The Blackout.

oh FFS

― DJ Mencap, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:03 (eighteen years ago)

thats a thread in itself hot boyz n hot girlz who go out with naybobz.

― pisces, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:36 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

http://society.guardian.co.uk/children/story/0,,2123326,00.html

of course they're bored, they all listen to lily allen.

alternatively: fuck off and read a book.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.njn.net/kids/shows/images/readingrainbow.jpg

― bobby bedelia, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

why have we not moved on to kate nash?

― Just got offed, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 16:10 (eighteen years ago)

we need an E-Clex-type blatant street-teamer to get the ball rolling.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

Treat Steam.
-- mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 27 April 2006 13:05 (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

I re-laughed.

― Mark G, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/ajpi_070707acm_lallen37270.jpg

How did she turn into this.. thing?

― MRZBW, Thursday, 12 July 2007 15:26 (eighteen years ago)

she's always looked like that.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 12 July 2007 15:29 (eighteen years ago)

Still, though..

― Mark G, Thursday, 12 July 2007 15:29 (eighteen years ago)

she looked funny on Buzzcocks last night with the specs

― blueski, Thursday, 12 July 2007 15:46 (eighteen years ago)

im prob late in saying this but she does come off a bit haughty. a bit snotty nosed. i know everyone thinks its just mouthy/cheeky and 'refreshing!' (or something) but she just reminded me of a spoilt little brat when she said 'i didnt make my album for your child jamelia!'

― titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 12 July 2007 21:24 (eighteen years ago)

why have we not moved on to kate nash?

because we still have lilly allen. and shes better.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 12 July 2007 21:25 (eighteen years ago)

four weeks pass...

Adios, last summer's biggest hit!

― Tape Store, Thursday, 9 August 2007 03:16 (eighteen years ago)

Christ, more crap with U.S. authorities? They've already kept the Happy Mondays, Section 25 and Prinzhorn Dance School from fulfilling their tourdates here. Fuck the whole goddamn system, man. We're supposed to keep terrorists out not every Tom, Dick, Harry and Mr. & Mrs. Pop Star to boot. I am fed up with this shit. I've got a ticket to see her in Sept. and since I missed her last time I'm gonna be pretty pissed off if she can't get this sorted out.

― Bimble, Thursday, 9 August 2007 04:47 (eighteen years ago)

It's a conspiracy to stop Britpop storming the US charts again. They never did forgive you for the Beatles and the Stones. And look at all our Aussie bands streaming in, ha! They LOVE us.

― moley, Thursday, 9 August 2007 06:32 (eighteen years ago)

LOL

― Just got offed, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 02:40 (eighteen years ago)

haha, I like Lily and that's still fairly funny. "How many times have you been to Spain?"

― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 02:56 (eighteen years ago)

fUKCing SHIT IS CANCELLED GEORGE W. IS A PIECE OF LYING SHIT GODDAMN GOVERNMENT WILL PAY GO STRAIGHT TO HELL HELL HELL HELL HELL HELL HELL HELL HELL HELL HELL HELL HELL HELL HELL HELL

― Bimble, Saturday, 18 August 2007 05:53 (eighteen years ago)

MY OWN GOVERNMENT KEPT ME FROM SEEING A POP STAR. IS THIS COMMUNIST RUSSIA??

― Bimble, Saturday, 18 August 2007 05:56 (eighteen years ago)

eVEry southern republic an piece of shit I hate them all every single one of them hick idiots watching Maury Povich WHILE SOLDIERS AND CIVILIANS DIE

I want to go abroad but they will only hate me for being American. I am left with no choice. No choice.

Some people don't believe in global warming. Some people don't believe the earth is round.

I give up. I give up. I'm not going to cause a drunken scene. Good people who live in Texas have it worse. It is they who wear the worst of the shame, not me. Listen to the Black Angels or I Love You But I've Chosen Darkness if you don't believe me.

― Bimble, Saturday, 18 August 2007 06:04 (eighteen years ago)

It's LILY ALLEN, not Kate Bush. ;)

― marmotwolof, Saturday, 18 August 2007 06:11 (eighteen years ago)

But Kate Bush doesn't bloody tour in the first place! There is no comparison, I'm afraid.

― Bimble, Saturday, 18 August 2007 06:59 (eighteen years ago)

but if she did, and you had tickets, and she was deported, and the show was canceled...

― marmotwolof, Saturday, 18 August 2007 07:18 (eighteen years ago)

Exactly!

― Bimble, Saturday, 18 August 2007 07:27 (eighteen years ago)

But it's LILY ALLEN.

― marmotwolof, Saturday, 18 August 2007 07:30 (eighteen years ago)

Hahahah there's a downright witty joke in here somewhere but I guess I'm not the one to bring it out. Merely posting a silly picture of say, squirrels eating nuts isn't going to cut it either.

― Bimble, Saturday, 18 August 2007 08:12 (eighteen years ago)

alizee_dick_fencing.gif would be a good start

― marmotwolof, Saturday, 18 August 2007 08:21 (eighteen years ago)

god bless the patriot act.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Saturday, 18 August 2007 12:58 (eighteen years ago)

two months pass...

Pop star Lily Allen is to present her own BBC Three show based on the social networking phenomenon that helped launch her music career.
The audience will be made up entirely of Allen's online friends, while viewers will present parts of the show and put questions to celebrity guests.

― Mark G, Thursday, 8 November 2007 13:58 (seventeen years ago)

those days of the mixtape seem so very long ago now.

― mark e, Thursday, 8 November 2007 14:16 (seventeen years ago)

Her as the new Agent Provocateur model is... confusing, to say the least. tbh would rather fap to Daisy Lowe in bondage gear than Lallen's Robbie Rotten chin, but I suppose they know best.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 8 November 2007 14:17 (seventeen years ago)

heard it was gonna be some french girl now. would be more disappointed if i didn't know ed chemical was hitting it tbh.

― r|t|c, Thursday, 8 November 2007 14:30 (seventeen years ago)

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00378/snf25bizc280_378291a.jpg

oh the glamour

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 8 November 2007 14:41 (seventeen years ago)

^^^
Hot cuz they're fly

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 8 November 2007 15:20 (seventeen years ago)

Wow! He doubles as a cigarette dispenser. I wanna get me one of them.

― Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 8 November 2007 15:39 (seventeen years ago)

one month passes...

I find this pretty weird.

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article3073110.ece

― toby, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 14:39 (seventeen years ago)

half age + seven = free the paedos

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 14:40 (seventeen years ago)

edward got bunnyboiled ha ha

― r|t|c, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 14:45 (seventeen years ago)

he needs hen fap

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 14:48 (seventeen years ago)

one month passes...

God the trailer for this is awful.

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 23:51 (seventeen years ago)

i accuse lily allen, kate nash is all her fault.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 31 January 2008 09:42 (seventeen years ago)

Why would anyone involved put themselves through the failure that the show will be?

― Raw Patrick, Thursday, 31 January 2008 09:57 (seventeen years ago)

― StanM, Thursday, 31 January 2008 10:06 (seventeen years ago)

The audience will be made up entirely of Allen's online friends

what the fuck.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 31 January 2008 10:36 (seventeen years ago)

Rosie Swash finally gets the TV break we've all dreamed of.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 31 January 2008 10:52 (seventeen years ago)

she's been dumped by her chem bro

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/article753663.ece

― StanM, Saturday, 2 February 2008 10:47 (seventeen years ago)

Lily Allen is ok, really.

good luck to her, I feel strangely anti-haters about her for some reason, she has something, maybe she ain't quite grabbed the nettle of what that is JUST yet but it's there y'know.

― fandango, Sunday, 3 February 2008 00:03 (seventeen years ago)

Maybe he'll fuck Adele next.

― Dom Passantino, Sunday, 3 February 2008 00:07 (seventeen years ago)

Oddly I've found myself thinking "fuck Adele" a lot the last couple of weeks.

― Noodle Vague, Sunday, 3 February 2008 01:05 (seventeen years ago)

So dull.

― libcrypt, Sunday, 3 February 2008 06:05 (seventeen years ago)

At a party last night somebody played Lily Allen.

I was like "lol oh ya."

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 3 February 2008 08:00 (seventeen years ago)

Damn it's been near two years since this thread start.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 3 February 2008 08:00 (seventeen years ago)

xpost ooh get you and your celebrity parties!

What happened?

― Mark G, Monday, 4 February 2008 09:08 (seventeen years ago)

PrincessTV.com ?

http://www.nme.com/news/lily-allen/34167

― StanM, Thursday, 7 February 2008 11:38 (seventeen years ago)

How about a second album then?

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 7 February 2008 11:42 (seventeen years ago)

Apparently, the NME says there's a new track called "Everyone's At It" and it's "a William Orbit style song about 'politicians and scene-kids on drugs'. And it's 'totally fantastic'."

― StanM, Thursday, 7 February 2008 12:22 (seventeen years ago)

To paraphrase TV's Richard Wilson: "WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU!"

― Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 7 February 2008 12:30 (seventeen years ago)

Everyone's A' I'

.. more than likely.

― Mark G, Thursday, 7 February 2008 14:02 (seventeen years ago)

As one of Lily Allen's MySpace friends I was wondering where my fucking invite to her TV show was. But after watching the first episode last night she can stick it.

― DavidM, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 11:54 (seventeen years ago)

Damn, it was slow. Also, too long!

― Mark G, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 11:57 (seventeen years ago)

What's the point of this ? (yawning cat on page 2)

― StanM, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 13:28 (seventeen years ago)

http://i26.tinypic.com/suvcoz.jpg

― StanM, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 20:52 (seventeen years ago)

RIP

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 20:55 (seventeen years ago)

Is "You look OK for a chick that just miscarried" a decent chat-up line? I'm trying to work out how to bag that.

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 13 February 2008 20:55 (seventeen years ago)

She dumped that chemical dude, A Friend tells some gossip thing.

http://www.nowmagazine.co.uk/celeb_news/lily_allen_i_dumped_ed_simons_article_180511.html

― StanM, Thursday, 14 February 2008 11:14 (seventeen years ago)

two months pass...

Blonde + two new tracks.

http://www.myspace.com/lilymusic

― StanM, Thursday, 17 April 2008 19:40 (seventeen years ago)

i've seen the blond, i love it even tho it looks very bottled. "i don't know" is decent, not really enough to make me care.

― Surmounter, Thursday, 17 April 2008 19:46 (seventeen years ago)

I don't think the blonde works for her at all. Can't wait to hear the new tracks when I get home tonight.

― Bimble, Thursday, 17 April 2008 20:12 (seventeen years ago)

they're both still demos, according to her "yagga yo" blog entry

― StanM, Thursday, 17 April 2008 20:27 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah, I'm not all that crazy about the new ones either. It's hard to imagine her in a new role now that she's dropped the ol' attitude. It kindof makes me wish she'd turn 30 already and was more sure of what she is and what she wants.

― Bimble, Friday, 18 April 2008 02:13 (seventeen years ago)

she's no Kate Nash

― milo z, Friday, 18 April 2008 03:11 (seventeen years ago)

The audio playback's all... messed up on that page. It might have something to do with these embedded video comments, but I couldn't figure out how to stop certain audio streams. Obnoxious. Anyway, that one song I could hear didn't sound bad ('i don't know').

Is there already a complete backlash against her? There were a handful of good tracks on her album, there's definite potential there, but generic junk too. It DOES seem weird that she's a talk show host now. Yes these comments are super late, I know.

― Nhex, Friday, 18 April 2008 05:22 (seventeen years ago)

I usually couldn't care less about a musician's extracurricular activities if I like the tunes, but glimpsing half an episode of that chat show made me wish I was born without eyes and ears. It was honestly possibly the worst piece of television I have ever seen in my life.

The episode I saw featured her answering viewer's questions while Martin Freeman squirmed on an awkward chaise lounge. When someone asked something about getting in trouble when she was younger, she told a wacky anecdote about getting caught giving blowjobs at school when she was 12 years old. Cut to shots of adoring, laughing girls in the audience, and a jump into some bullshit where she presented her favourite YouTube videos. It was a monstrosity.

― Savannah Smiles, Friday, 18 April 2008 13:35 (seventeen years ago)

oop ack, i'm not loving the blondeyness, at least from that one photo. But I do actually think "I Don't Know" is good.

Is there already a complete backlash against her? Reread this thread, there was a bottled backlash ready to strike from minute one. I enjoyed her singles, still think "LDN" is great, and kind of let the rest slide by, no malice.

― Doctor Casino, Friday, 18 April 2008 13:56 (seventeen years ago)

upon first listen, the new stuff sounds like sentimental, transitional drivel to me

― Surmounter, Friday, 18 April 2008 13:59 (seventeen years ago)

she's no Kate Nash

coma - it's no death

― blueski, Friday, 18 April 2008 14:01 (seventeen years ago)

dating Smithy?

― blueski, Friday, 18 April 2008 15:28 (seventeen years ago)

Surmounter OTM.

― Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 19 April 2008 04:00 (seventeen years ago)

three weeks pass...

Topless!

― StanM, Thursday, 15 May 2008 15:26 (seventeen years ago)

BAM

http://thesuperficial.com//bfm_gallery/2008/05/0514%20Lily%20Allen%20topless/gallery_enlarged/gallery_enlarged-0514_lily_allen_topless_07.jpg

― chinchillas they can fit on gorillas, Thursday, 15 May 2008 15:27 (seventeen years ago)

that is some sexy british stuff right there

― chinchillas they can fit on gorillas, Thursday, 15 May 2008 15:28 (seventeen years ago)

To be fair, that's by far the worst pic of the lot.

― Jazzbo, Thursday, 15 May 2008 15:32 (seventeen years ago)

five months pass...

s'alright

― Cittaslow Mazza (blueski), Friday, 24 October 2008 14:35 (seventeen years ago)

The 'Smile' singer will now call the album 'It's Not Me It's You', according to the Daily Mirror.
The album, set for release on February 9, 2009, was previously reported to be named 'Stuck On The Naughty Step', with 'Brilly Allen' another rumoured title.

― Mark G, Friday, 24 October 2008 14:41 (seventeen years ago)

How about another suggestion for a title: IT'S OVER

― Eric in the East Neuk of Anglia (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 24 October 2008 14:51 (seventeen years ago)

is it just me or is lily allen really really hot?

― Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 25 October 2008 01:11 (seventeen years ago)

Depends on the camera angle.

― StanM, Saturday, 25 October 2008 06:54 (seventeen years ago)

is it just me or is lily allen really really hot?

I thought that was the whole point!

― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 25 October 2008 13:04 (seventeen years ago)

i take it you missed that photo upthread?

― what U cry 4 (jim), Saturday, 25 October 2008 13:04 (seventeen years ago)

I can't be bothered with this new song of hers. Really just don't care.

― Lick The Vinyl (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Saturday, 25 October 2008 17:38 (seventeen years ago)

Good to know.

― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 25 October 2008 17:40 (seventeen years ago)

Everyone has bad days and bad angles!

― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 26 October 2008 03:22 (seventeen years ago)

one month passes...

― StanM, Sunday, 7 December 2008 10:12 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/dec/07/lily-allen-comeback

agh, terrible terrible article. Apparently this year has been dominated by female artists and LA is the best of them all.

― the pinefox, Sunday, 7 December 2008 10:24 (sixteen years ago)

Ah - that video is for the album version, by the way. ("f*ckloads of diamonds" vs. "I want loads of diamonds")

― StanM, Sunday, 7 December 2008 10:32 (sixteen years ago)

Hmm...not a bad song, really. Still can't get acquainted with her black hair, though.

― Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Sunday, 7 December 2008 16:02 (sixteen years ago)

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/6205/emilyoc1.jpg

― StanM, Sunday, 7 December 2008 16:08 (sixteen years ago)

Marcello can add Lily Allen to his list of Tory cunt popstars, she was praising Boris Johnson last week.

― I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 7 December 2008 16:20 (sixteen years ago)

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than Lily Allen

― Super Cat (The Reverend), Sunday, 7 December 2008 16:24 (sixteen years ago)

LOL. There is a costume shop near my work and I always used to notice all this "Emily" paraphernalia in the window.

― Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Sunday, 7 December 2008 16:36 (sixteen years ago)

this one? http://tinyurl.com/5spfwe

― brotherlovesdub, Sunday, 7 December 2008 17:05 (sixteen years ago)

Her songs are fairly catchy, too bad her whole persona comes off as so bitchy and weirdly moralistic. I feel like so many of songs are about her wagging her finger at various aspects of society that are beneath her.

― Moodles, Sunday, 7 December 2008 17:42 (sixteen years ago)

Heheh you're right, brotherlovesdub

― Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Sunday, 7 December 2008 17:44 (sixteen years ago)

that song is pretty good!

― M@tt He1ges0n, Sunday, 7 December 2008 17:46 (sixteen years ago)

― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 7 December 2008 18:30 (sixteen years ago)

The inevitable 'Womanizer' cover

― James Mitchell, Sunday, 14 December 2008 02:58 (sixteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

La Lily singing "The Lady is a Tramp" on Jools Holland's New Year's Eve show was mortifyingly revealing of her limitations. I have no idea whose idea it was for her to sing that but her breathy thing just doesn't work with a song like that, which asks for brassiness, pipes, power and sass. She was like a little girl playing dress up. Really embarrassing.

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 1 January 2009 12:59 (sixteen years ago)

"LILY ALLEN STATEMENT

During an interview with The Word magazine Lily Allen was asked about the lyrics of a song on her album called "Everyone's At It". The song's subject matter concerns drug use. In her answer she replied that she "had no statement to make, I just wish people wouldn't sensationalise this thing that just exists". At no point does she say that drugs are a good thing or that she condones drug use; in fact she says that "I can spot the signs (of people on drugs) and it terrifies me". The song itself talks about a culture of both legally prescribed drugs like anti-depressants and also illegal drug use.

Lily Allen would like to state unequivocally that she does not condone illegal drug use and has every sympathy with individuals and families whose lives have been blighted by drugs.
"

how obvious is it that the record label bosses have called the girl in for a bollocking, or that she is worried they will.

― mark e, Thursday, 8 January 2009 12:58 (sixteen years ago)

It would be hard to believe that this is coming from the record label, since they're releasing the whole controversy-courting record in the first place.

― Barnaby (Jack Savidge), Thursday, 8 January 2009 13:18 (sixteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

I accidently posted this on De Subjectivism :P Favorite line so far off the new album.

"I don't imagine that he's ever been suicidal,
His favorite band is Creedence Clearwater Revival"

― Mordy, Monday, 2 February 2009 21:30 (sixteen years ago)

Those De Subjectivism guyz baggin' on Dom over there: "Ah, van Dom Passantino. Die heeft een pesthekel aan ALLE muziek :)"

Don't worry, I suggestbanned their asses.

― more private than a bar stool (Upt0eleven), Monday, 2 February 2009 21:34 (sixteen years ago)

Aruba for the Arubans, imo.

― Peter "One Dart" Manley (The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics), Monday, 2 February 2009 21:37 (sixteen years ago)

I accidently posted this on De Subjectivism :P Favorite line so far off the new album.

"I don't imagine that he's ever been suicidal,
His favorite band is Creedence Clearwater Revival"

― Mordy, Monday, February 2, 2009 10:30 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i don't want to pick on you for being an idiot but we can't do that on 77.

how bad must her other lines be for this to be a favourite line?

― display name fatigue (special guest stars mark bronson), Monday, 2 February 2009 21:47 (sixteen years ago)

How about this?

"I can ask you things I can't ask anyone
And you'll give me direction
Apart from me, you're the only other person I know
Who reads the travel section"

― everything, Monday, 2 February 2009 22:28 (sixteen years ago)

XP I think your acting like a dick is a lot less charming than you think it is.

― Mordy, Monday, 2 February 2009 23:06 (sixteen years ago)

no trying to charm ya, mordy.

― display name fatigue (special guest stars mark bronson), Monday, 2 February 2009 23:22 (sixteen years ago)

http://thequietus.com/articles/01070-lily-allen-it-s-not-me-it-s-you-album-review

anyway you're not alone, there are a lot of people who profess to like this shit.

this quietus piece reminds me how bad music journalists are at writing about music. in this entire review the only reference he makes to the, well, music is:

"Sometimes she's not getting enough juice out of her backing tracks (more Pet Shop Boys-ey this time around)"

thanking you.

― display name fatigue (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 11:32 (sixteen years ago)

so, the question is, has greg kirsten saved his best stuff for the new (and excellent) 'the bird and the bee' album ?

― mark e, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 11:47 (sixteen years ago)

if it really is excellent then probably

― O Supermanchiros (blueski), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 12:31 (sixteen years ago)

You can imagine Flight of the Conchords doing many of these lyrics. "Everyone's At It" is pretty close to a 100% Conchords song, though:

Bret: So you’ve got a prescription and that makes it legal? / I find your excuses overwhelmingly feeble

Jemaine: So your daughter’s depressed — we’ll get her straight on the Prozac / But little do you know, she already takes crack

― dabug, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 15:47 (sixteen years ago)

So if these lyrics are supposed to be funny you approve of them?

― Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 15:50 (sixteen years ago)

never a big fan of comedy music but if this were comedy, those lyrics would be funny.

― display name fatigue (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 15:51 (sixteen years ago)

given MGMT's recent success i believe theres a big market for concords knock offs

― straightola, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 15:52 (sixteen years ago)

They're not supposed to be funny. Conchords are usually funny because you're laughing at them, not with them. (I mean, you're laughing with the performers, but not the characters.)

― dabug, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 15:53 (sixteen years ago)

"Chinese" from her new album is so lovely. :)

― Turangalila, Sunday, 8 February 2009 05:45 (sixteen years ago)

never a big fan of comedy music but if this were comedy, those lyrics would be funny.

― display name fatigue (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, February 3, 2009 10:51 AM (5 days ago)

can't tell if this dude's intentionally being a dick or is just genuinely retarded

― jammed hymen (k3vin k.), Sunday, 8 February 2009 05:53 (sixteen years ago)

also xpost yes love 'chinese'

― jammed hymen (k3vin k.), Sunday, 8 February 2009 05:54 (sixteen years ago)

haha, protip for new ilxors like kevin k: the answer to 95% of questions about ilx is "intentionally being dick"

― your infinity in you is mad lifted (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 February 2009 06:27 (sixteen years ago)

j0rdan dishing out the protipz

― jammed hymen (k3vin k.), Sunday, 8 February 2009 06:36 (sixteen years ago)

wtf, you like lily allen ====> ur the retarded dick in this conversation.

― special guest stars mark bronson, Sunday, 8 February 2009 09:36 (sixteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

kabul shit

― O Supermanchiros (blueski), Sunday, 1 March 2009 13:44 (sixteen years ago)

wtf, you like lily allen ====> ur the retarded dick in this conversation.

― special guest stars mark bronson, Sunday, February 8, 2009 10:36 AM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

can i get a s-ban?

― special guest stars mark bronson, Sunday, 1 March 2009 14:30 (sixteen years ago)

― Mordy, Sunday, 1 March 2009 15:03 (sixteen years ago)

im pretty sure u got one for that, iirc

― hoosteenanny (k3vin k.), Sunday, 1 March 2009 15:37 (sixteen years ago)

yup

― special guest stars mark bronson, Sunday, 1 March 2009 15:45 (sixteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

this album makes me feel really old.

― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 27 March 2009 00:29 (sixteen years ago)

five months pass...

Really like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIW0QhWJx9k

― James Mitchell, Saturday, 12 September 2009 20:18 (sixteen years ago)

sooks about file sharing, "quits" music

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/lily-allen-quits-music-after-abuse-over-filesharing-fight-20090925-g5ie.html

― electric sound of jim (original version) (electricsound), Friday, 25 September 2009 05:09 (sixteen years ago)

Ugh, that remix is awful. Sorry.

― Johnny Fever, Friday, 25 September 2009 05:47 (sixteen years ago)

Lily Allen - This summers biggest quit?

― Mark G, Friday, 25 September 2009 07:03 (sixteen years ago)

My guess? She's run out of things to write about.

Good on her if that's why (really). More should do that for that reason.

― Mark G, Friday, 25 September 2009 07:04 (sixteen years ago)

As someone who is actually making good coin out of it, I doubt she's going to quit the music business just yet. Maybe after the next album bombs.

― everything, Friday, 25 September 2009 07:42 (sixteen years ago)

"quits" music

did think she'd taken it up, tbh (right? right?)

― history mayne, Friday, 25 September 2009 08:53 (sixteen years ago)

The blog she's set up to promote paying for music is really cack-handed e.g. posting URLs but not actually making them work. Some interesting statements from a variety of artists tho - most of the argument revolves around artist rights vs consumer rights and their supposed diametric opposition as i see it - in that you read Tinchy or whoever's mostly reasonable (tho often naive or vague) comments and then dozens of posts from anon wankers saying things like "what's the problem you make all the money from touring, merch etc." as if paying for the music shouldn't even be an option.

― modescalator (blueski), Friday, 25 September 2009 10:27 (sixteen years ago)

she only got her break because she has a famous dad. The one thing this over-privileged kid should quit doing is whining.

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 25 September 2009 11:52 (sixteen years ago)

she. is. awesome. thank ye kindly.

― livin' large under the shadow of a Suggest Ban (Ioannis), Friday, 25 September 2009 12:05 (sixteen years ago)

The blog she's set up to promote paying for music is really ~~cack-handed~~ deleted.

― mark e, Friday, 25 September 2009 12:15 (sixteen years ago)

Um, Lily Allen got famous because of all the free downloads she offered!

(see top of thread for history)

― Mark G, Friday, 25 September 2009 12:32 (sixteen years ago)

as per the article linked :

She also wrote on her blog: "I made those mixtapes 5 years ago, I didn't have a knowledge of the workings of the music industry back then."

― mark e, Friday, 25 September 2009 12:37 (sixteen years ago)

three months pass...

adorable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZjcfZ2pWtM

― guardian nagle (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 01:36 (fifteen years ago)

five months pass...

She's looking unprecedentedly foxy in the Professor Green vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U00bBjeZI3E

(Bit of a crappy tune mind)

― rhythm fixated member (chap), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 19:37 (fifteen years ago)

Song: F-
Lily: A+++++

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 19:49 (fifteen years ago)

Boo, video is blocked in the U.S.

― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 19:50 (fifteen years ago)

i am in love with lily...yep awful song tho.

― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 15 July 2010 23:10 (fifteen years ago)

seven months pass...

I assume she's kidding:

lilyroseallen
Have just googled myself, am depressed. going home and switching off broadband.

lilyroseallen
i just get upset when some people cant see how nice and brilliant I am. good day to you all.
»

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 15:41 (fourteen years ago)

ten months pass...

Named her baby daughter Ethel.

― Bon Ivoj (jaymc), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 17:33 (thirteen years ago)

one year passes...

how edifying to see this racist nonsense go unremarked in the UK media

https://twitter.com/lilyrosecooper/status/356128023294136320

(nsfw, context is - inevitably - an azealia banks beef, i'm by no means #teamazealia but how is this acceptable, how has she not been run out of town yet)

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 23 July 2013 09:35 (twelve years ago)

don't want no short dick mannequin

― r|t|c, Tuesday, 23 July 2013 10:30 (twelve years ago)

three months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0CazRHB0so

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 18:22 (eleven years ago)

posted this vile racist nonsense on the lorde thread because fuck lily allen

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 18:23 (eleven years ago)

do we really have to pay attention to her?

― smoking, drinking, cracking and showing the MIDDLE FINGER (DJP), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 18:23 (eleven years ago)

i hope you guys have that choice

over here she seems to be being fast-tracked into national treasure status. vomit

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 18:25 (eleven years ago)

i have liked lily allen in the past and this song is garbage; video is unconscionable

― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 18:35 (eleven years ago)

thank god she is back with this cutting edge satire of the music industry right

― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 18:35 (eleven years ago)

i think this is a decent tune melodically but the vocals are horrible (even if purposeful!) and the video is obv yeah complete garbage

― le goon (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 18:36 (eleven years ago)

parts of it indended to be an intentionally bad parody of the Blurred Lines video

i like her first two albums but gawd this is awful....

― Lee626, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 18:46 (eleven years ago)

I'm already a predisposed fan, but this isn't really the song I wanted from her (nor was the awful Keane cover). The video? I'm still parsing.

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 18:48 (eleven years ago)

man this is fuuucked

― flopson, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 18:53 (eleven years ago)

v noble feminist sentiment of 'other women are oppressed because they're stupid' too.

― Merdeyeux, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 19:09 (eleven years ago)

Sonically I'm reminded of "Va Va Voom". lyrically it's typical lily, gauche and to the point. video to me appears to be an attempt to "show up" the foibles of "we can't stop" and "blurred lines", but misses what was wrong with those videos (particularly the former)

expecting waves and waves of thinkpieces to appear by the end of the week.

― monotony, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 19:54 (eleven years ago)

is the autotune meant to sound intentionally horrible? like in a LOL lonely island way?

― monotony, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 19:57 (eleven years ago)

xp but I can't even be upset about this, it's the spoof parts of "All the Small Things" meets the sex parts of "Bad Romance" with the execution of a Weird Al video and in 2013 that is an elevator pitch for a day's worth of day-thinkpieces

― katherine, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 19:57 (eleven years ago)

Is it possible that she aimed for the thinkpieces? At this point it seems like the new parcours to success.

― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 19:59 (eleven years ago)

I mean fuck, this clip is probably as objectionable but the conditions (including the artist being a solo female artist known to be shit on in the past, also including, to be fair, lack of name recognition) were not right to start a THINKPIECE TEMPEST:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTJkE8Ki3Gg

― katherine, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 19:59 (eleven years ago)

That video though. The disapproving zoom of the camera as it lingers on the bodies of those black dancers. Did those women know the director wanted viewers to sneer at their bodies when they signed up for this shoot?

― Evan R, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 20:03 (eleven years ago)

please tell me there will not be any thinkpieces on this song. we should put it in a radioactive waste container and bury it deep in the ground instead of letting it clickbait-climb the billboard charts.

― Tip from Tae Kwon Do: (crüt), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 20:07 (eleven years ago)

That worked very well for Macklemore and Lorde.

― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 20:07 (eleven years ago)

Why is she styled like Jessie J?

― maura, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 20:27 (eleven years ago)

I guess also I think her points are more about patriarchy and the toxic misogyny of the gossip press. particularly your perez hilton types who play like a bitchy gay friend who by extension has zero actual stake in female sexuality.

― maura, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 20:42 (eleven years ago)

This is a huge misfire from her. I expected a lot more from her after that surprisingly good last album. It makes the Keane cover sound like a masterpiece.

― Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 20:42 (eleven years ago)

would the numbers thinkpieces drive to videos really have a statistically significant effect? I mean sure, at some level the people who make these things are working off the same vague generalizations as the people who comment on these things, but a lot of this seems like media outlets making more of their own influence than is reasonable

― katherine, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 20:45 (eleven years ago)

yeah, there's def more than just "lol at hip-hop" but it's so sloppy that in the current environment it's all going to get bulldozed by (valid) intersectional critique.

― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 20:47 (eleven years ago)

while lily's got some intimation of who's calling the shots in her vid, i think part of the reason these "i'm different!" songs always veer towards "lol at gold chains" is because they're never really going to bite the hand that feeds them.

― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 20:48 (eleven years ago)

I do definitely think race has a part in it. I mentioned "Bad Romance" upthread because the first half or so (everything but the ending, that is) is basically what this video would look like if there were no racial stuff

― katherine, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 20:49 (eleven years ago)

(also because the whole fake-handlers-illuminati-conspiracy angle is just so cliched at this point that it baffles me how person after person can treat it as not cliched.)

― katherine, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 20:50 (eleven years ago)

i don't think it's really "lol hip hop" ... i mean the cover art of 'alright, still' trades in obvious hip hop visuals. also one of her first songs was a remix of "window shopper"

i think it's more... "lol at girls like miley cyrus who approach rap culture in a really baldfaced, sloppy manner" which is a valid point of critique but i don't think the video makes that point well at all, and is in fact mostly guilty of the same sins

― le goon (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 20:55 (eleven years ago)

that's the thing - the message is so vague (beyond that lily allen obv thinks she's above everything in pop music) that there's no wrong way to be offended by it

― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 20:56 (eleven years ago)

The video's message is so muddled though. It opens satirizing the music industry for suggesting Allen is too fat and for enforcing impossible beauty standards, then just one minute later gawks mockingly at black women for having actual asses.

― Evan R, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 20:57 (eleven years ago)

Yeah, I've been trying to put this exact thought together, but it came to J0rdan first.

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 20:57 (eleven years ago)

knowing more about allen and paying closer attention the video may nuance your sense of what she's going for, but no one owes you a look through wikipedia before saying "fuck this shit"

― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 20:58 (eleven years ago)

well, people getting paid to write about you might benefit from having something to share, but casual viewers are free to just say "no, this sucks"

― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 20:59 (eleven years ago)

i think fuck this shit has been everyone itt's initial response

― flopson, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 21:04 (eleven years ago)

yeah there's a valid point that could be made about how it's apparently 'hard out here' for black women (who aren't the lead artist at least) to be in videos for anything other than ass-based purposes (which in turn fuels this same generalisation about them in both directions) but can't see how this video was aiming for anything like that when it's just showing the exact same thing in the same way even if it's meant to be sarcastic, tongue in cheek or whatever

― nashwan, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 21:30 (eleven years ago)

I see what this is trying to do, but the satire feels too forced, too direct, too slapstick. Crudely so. It's not half as smart as it thinks it is or it ought to be. In fact it's not even as smart as the stuff it's meant to be exposing, which isn't saying very much.

― Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 21:38 (eleven years ago)

That's a nice summation of Allen overall.

― Greer, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 21:40 (eleven years ago)

Well, this won't be getting Best Music Writing anytime soon: http://flavorwire.com/424859/hard-out-here-proves-lily-allen-is-the-pop-star-we-need-in-2013

― Murgatroid, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 22:01 (eleven years ago)

We live in a post-Miley Cyrus / post-trollgaze world.

― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 22:05 (eleven years ago)

Sure, the video for (and the lyrics in) “Hard Out Here” is heavy-handed — not to mention the fact that the cadre of mostly black backup dancers twerking and getting their asses slapped in slow motion muddies the satirical message a bit. But the pretty blatant disses at the heavy hitters on the current pop charts are perfect. There’s Cyrus’ twerking, Gaga’s cheeky product placement and transparent media critiques, even a reference to Robin Thicke’s embarrassing bragging about the size of his penis, and acknowledgment of all three performer’s cultural appropriations. All comparisons of raw talent aside, Lily Allen seems to be the only pop performer still standing who has the self-awareness and wit to nail such a timely message in the space of a four-minute pop song.

how soon we forget weird al

― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 22:06 (eleven years ago)

not to mention pink

― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 22:07 (eleven years ago)

not to mention

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ht5RZpzPqw

― katherine, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 22:08 (eleven years ago)

People think of Weird Al first and foremost as a comedian, I believe.

― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 22:08 (eleven years ago)

that piece makes no sense

― le goon (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 22:10 (eleven years ago)

how can you write these two sentences back to back and not notice a problem

― le goon (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 22:10 (eleven years ago)

"the execution of this video and song is heavy-handed and muddled but also PERFECT"

― le goon (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 22:11 (eleven years ago)

I am no expert on youtube views but isn't 70 000 low for someone as big as Lily Allen?

― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 22:12 (eleven years ago)

Youtube freezes view counts on first-day/viral videos in the initial hours.

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 22:13 (eleven years ago)

yeah there was a while where "301 Views" was a pretty reliable indicator of "this is big"

― katherine, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 22:27 (eleven years ago)

It's getting hard out herre...

― Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 22:28 (eleven years ago)

― dyl, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 22:52 (eleven years ago)

can't respect writers who start sentences with "Sure"

― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 22:55 (eleven years ago)

sure you can

― Tip from Tae Kwon Do: (crüt), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 22:58 (eleven years ago)

"Sure" followed by equivocation. It's the Jonah Goldberg Rule.

― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:05 (eleven years ago)

Popjustice like it too. Apparently it's heart is in the right place..hmm.

http://www.popjustice.com/songs/lily-allen-hard-out-here/

― Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:16 (eleven years ago)

"While her last album showcased the sort of scalpel-sharp social commentary and deft put-downs that have been missing from pop in the age of #clubLOLZ, Allen fans will have to make do, for now at least, with a cover of Keane's Somewhere Only We Know to mark her return. And it's nice and pleasant and all those sorts of adjectives, with Allen's delicate and deftly nuanced vocal rooted firmly on the right side of schmaltz. Fingers crossed the comeback proper is slightly less warm and cosy, though."

Translated, this means its fucking awful, yeah?

(From The Guardian).

― djh, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:24 (eleven years ago)

scalpel-sharp metaphors

― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:25 (eleven years ago)

Here's the Keane cover/ad for people who haven't seen it yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqWig2WARb0

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:30 (eleven years ago)

People who I respect *like* that advert.

― djh, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:33 (eleven years ago)

I think it's a good helping of cuddlestein for the holiday, and the creation/animation is top-notch.

Not sure why Keane and not sure why Lily Allen.

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:35 (eleven years ago)

think it sucks - wtf is the point of it - like "oh we just don't think enough of cartoon bears as we stuff our faces and spend at christmas, won't someone spare a thought for fictional characters created by a department store, they are literally the only living things on earth who don't get to share in the xmas fun".

― Legitimate space tale (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:37 (eleven years ago)

bear-hating hare freaks won't let the bears sleep

― woof, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:38 (eleven years ago)

LET THINGS SLEEP

― woof, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:38 (eleven years ago)

why is the john lewis xmas advert a cultural event in this fucking country, vile racist performer or no

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:40 (eleven years ago)

i like when she actually points out that she's being SARCASTIC in the lyrics as if we didn't get the drift

― lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:40 (eleven years ago)

lily allen is human trash

― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:40 (eleven years ago)

Whatever, I like the ad itself. Just don't care about the music in it.

I fear it being reproduced for the US, because I know they'd use Zooey Deschanel.

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:41 (eleven years ago)

it's an ADVERT

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:42 (eleven years ago)

i like that keane song and can think of far worse things for lily allen to do than cover it. especially today.

― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:43 (eleven years ago)

it's an ADVERT

So that disqualifies it dead stop from being likable in any way?

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:43 (eleven years ago)

she covered it about a week ago

as i said, she's being fast-tracked to national treasure status, and even being a vile racist more than once isn't going to stop her

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:44 (eleven years ago)

it is totally on you and not my problem if you want to give a shit about an advert

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:44 (eleven years ago)

why is the john lewis xmas advert a cultural event in this fucking country

because Woolworth's went bust is the tragic but likely true answer

― a strident purist when it comes to band-related shirts (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:45 (eleven years ago)

Hey guys, guys, I don't know WHAT you're talking about because get this: I don't watch TV. In fact, I don't even know if I own a TV.

― Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:45 (eleven years ago)

no but did you cry

― woof, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:46 (eleven years ago)

ads have been iconic for many years. the fact they're made to make money hardly distinguishes them from other forms of art.

doesn't change the fact that the john lewis ad is an annual low point for british culture.

this year's isn't even as bad as usual cos the original is worse than the cover.

― Legitimate space tale (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:48 (eleven years ago)

i heard a bit of this the other day and wondered why somebody had chosen to cover Keane in a style not very different from Keane, assumed it was some ad agency copyright-dodging bullshit

― a strident purist when it comes to band-related shirts (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:48 (eleven years ago)

You are supposed to know if you own a TV or not.

― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:48 (eleven years ago)

xxxxpost

― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:48 (eleven years ago)

Just checked and yes, I DO have a TV. But I don't watch it. In fact I turned it around to face the wall because I literally don't watch it.

― Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:50 (eleven years ago)

i think that was irony that didn't appear to be irony.

xpost - almost certain.

― Legitimate space tale (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:50 (eleven years ago)

i'm gonna save my contempt for advertising and all its works for a different thread cos this one obviously needs to focus on Lily Allen and her ironic racism

― a strident purist when it comes to band-related shirts (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:51 (eleven years ago)

i don't equate thinking advertising is shit with being above TV and therefore being a terrible person who spits on the common "man" tho

― a strident purist when it comes to band-related shirts (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:52 (eleven years ago)

xxpost

We've never had it so good, uh huh
We're out of the woods
And if you can't detect the sarcasm
You've misunderstood

― Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:53 (eleven years ago)

personally, i would judge advertisements on their merits, the same as anything else. tho i suppose it has got a lot worse as live tv becomes less popular.

xpost.

― Legitimate space tale (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:54 (eleven years ago)

well tonight thank god it's them instead of you
and if you can't detect the sarcasm, you've misunderstood

― Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:55 (eleven years ago)

I really liked her second album--clunky social commentary aside--but so much of her behavior, not to mention this song and video, is just beyond unacceptable.

Doing all the same gross shit as pops major players, but with an added wink wink nudge nudge does not constitute clever, witty, incisive commentary. In fact, such a thing is little more than posturing, and functions almost exclusively as a way for Allen to position herself as above the shit she's lambasting while still benefiting from it.

"and if you can't detect the sarcasm, I'm fucked"

― Greer, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:59 (eleven years ago)

Amazing girl, she can both sing and animate like a pro!

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 13 November 2013 00:40 (eleven years ago)

Greer OTM

― prolego, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 01:11 (eleven years ago)

she posted this on twitlonger:

Privilege,Superiority and Misconceptions
1. If anyone thinks for a second that I requested specific ethnicities for the video, they're wrong.
2. If anyone thinks that after asking the girls to audition, I was going to send any of them away because of the colour of their skin, they're wrong.
3. The message is clear. Whilst I don’t want to offend anyone. I do strive to provoke thought and conversation. The video is meant to be a lighthearted satirical video that deals with objectification of women within modern pop culture. It has nothing to do with race, at all.
4. If I could dance like the ladies can, it would have been my arse on your screens; I actually rehearsed for two weeks trying to perfect my twerk, but failed miserably. If I was a little braver, I would have been wearing a bikini too, but I do not and I have chronic cellulite, which nobody wants to see. What I’m trying to say is that me being covered up has nothing to do with me wanting to disassociate myself from the girls, it has more to do with my own insecurities and I just wanted to feel as comfortable as possible on the shoot day.
5. I'm not going to apologise because I think that would imply that I’m guilty of something, but I promise you this, in no way do I feel superior to anyone, except paedophiles, rapists murderers etc., and I would not only be surprised but deeply saddened if I thought anyone came away from that video feeling taken advantage of,or compromised in any way.
6. Ask the ladies yourselves @shalaeuroasia @monique_Lawz @ceodancers @TempleArtist @SelizaShowtime @melycrisp

― monotony, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 17:42 (eleven years ago)

If I could dance like the ladies can, it would have been my arse on your screens

b-b-but "you have a brain"!

I do strive to provoke thought and conversation.

oh god, she really pulled the "conversation? good, that was the idea" card.

― da croupier, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 17:44 (eleven years ago)

http://www.goolfm.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/arsene-wenger-head-in-hands.jpg

― a hoy hoy, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 17:46 (eleven years ago)

paedophiles, rapists murderers etc

― One Trick Over-Painted Pony (soref), Wednesday, 13 November 2013 17:47 (eleven years ago)

The smartest piece I've read yet, drawing comparisons with older songs by Pink and Jewel.

http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2013/11/13/2929071/lily-allen-hard/

― Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 13 November 2013 17:48 (eleven years ago)

"I'm not going to apologise, I'm sorry but I'm not"

― Mark G, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 17:49 (eleven years ago)

tbh i actually prefer the "i'm not going to apologize" over the bullshit "i'm sorry that YOU were offended"

― JACK SQUAT about these Charlie Nobodies (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 13 November 2013 17:53 (eleven years ago)

I agree with the assessment that nobody seemed to be thinking about anything while the video was in production.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 17:59 (eleven years ago)

#4 really undermines the whole song, not just the "Don’t need to shake my ass for you ‘cuz I got a brain" but the entirety of the second verse.

― da croupier, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 18:02 (eleven years ago)

"you should really be more self-conscious and judgmental about your body...by the way i'm being sarcastic!" vs "hey the reason i was the least naked woman on the screen is because i want to spare everyone my cellulite"

― da croupier, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 18:04 (eleven years ago)

if you're hot and can twerk, you should TOTALLY be half-naked and twerking in a music video, how could you ever think lily allen feels otherwise

― da croupier, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 18:06 (eleven years ago)

a lighthearted satirical response

― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 November 2013 18:10 (eleven years ago)

Not buying "the video is meant to be a light-hearted satirical video that deals with objectification of women within modern pop culture. It has nothing to do with race, at all" when in an interview her director says that:

"We deliberately didn’t want to reference anyone specific. It was more, "what would be the most hip hop thing you could ever do?""

― prolego, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 18:13 (eleven years ago)

It has nothing to do with race, at all.

Glad that's sorted.

― Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 13 November 2013 18:14 (eleven years ago)

actually thought the video might've been directed by dawn shadforth - curious to know what she makes of it

Were you nervous about doing a video that sent out quite an explicit message about your own industry?
No, it all needs talking about. I just thought it would be hypocritical to claim that this is what everyone else does but we don’t do it. That's why she joins in, and does all the things that everybody does. I think we’re all complicit, you have to be, that's what's required these days.

amazing hate-the-game response

― nashwan, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 18:28 (eleven years ago)

She hasn't really addressed the issues Angry Twitter has been highlighting since yesterday, eg. Lex's 'what about the blackface penis?' concern. Also, the minute someone excuses their own behaviour using the words 'light-hearted' it's indicative of ASSHOLE SPOKEN HERE. And perhaps being a bear of littler brain than most sentient creatures.

I was also unimpressed by the deployment of a cigar-chomping 'Jewish' guy in the video, should've gone for a Terry Richardson-type powerful sexist doucheroo. On the other hand, if she'd picked a bunch of ugly men to twerk in the background, a lot of Angry Twitter would've been all 'OMG she's a Queen Bee' and then those people would've been castigated by several prominent women who are public friends with her, who are not in any way social media Queen Bees themselves, of course.

― hatcat marnell (suzy), Wednesday, 13 November 2013 19:00 (eleven years ago)

glad the director made it clear they were deliberately going for hip-hop, so we don't have to deal with obtuse folks claiming that the obvious hip hop tropes and signifiers are just, like, post-racial pop culture tropes with no loaded racial implications to be brought up or questioned.

― Greer, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 19:40 (eleven years ago)

the suzanne moore piece on this seems to be... actually good? who knew that this would be what it took.

― smize without a face (c sharp major), Wednesday, 13 November 2013 21:09 (eleven years ago)

It would be cool if more black females were actually promoted as recording artists rather than just appearing in videos for Arcade Fire/Lily Allen/Spiritualized/Miley/whoever.

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 13 November 2013 21:51 (eleven years ago)

this director is a traet

Well you know what we were editing it at my house, and my cleaning lady was there and she doesn’t speak English, and we were just chopping up the bit with the champagne and the bums and she was watching and she had no idea it was for Lily Allen, she doesn’t even know what I do as a job, and it was me and the editor sitting in my kitchen editing, and she was looking at it, thinking "fuck I think he’s a porn director." That was quite awkward.

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 14 November 2013 01:58 (eleven years ago)

but the real nail in the coffin, ladies and gentlemen:

the inspiration for the video was the lyrics. The lyrics are really blatant so when I sent a pitch in to do it, I wanted to encapsulate the that idea of music industry sexism and poke fun at it. I didn’t mean it to be a statement as much as a bit of fun. I think the music video clichés we make nods to in the video are part of a culture we’re all complicit in. So, our video’s not attacking those things as much as addressing them and having a bit of fun with them. That culture is something we’re all complicit in – we all sit and watch those videos with twerking and champagne spilling over gyrating naked women and all that on MTV all the time, so to really rally against them would be hypocritical. It’s much more effective and much funnier to kinda have a bit of fun with those things instead of making any kind of angry statement against them in the video. It’s just a bit of fun.

"Just a bit of fun"

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 14 November 2013 02:02 (eleven years ago)

Julianne Shepherd's response.

― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 November 2013 02:03 (eleven years ago)

the video is definitely... walking a lot of lines. BUT i read the line "don’t need to shake my ass for you ‘cuz I got a brain" as more of a "hi, women are not just sexual beings for you to leer at until we get ancient at the ripe old age of 25, and we have worth beyond your slobbering gaze" sort of protest? nb i am a person who is very fatigued by the notion of "slut-shaming" because women who aren't seen as sexual also get a shitty end of the ol' patriarchy stick in ways that aren't as acceptable to discuss because doing so kickstarts the "slut-shaming" cycle, which, sigh

― maura, Thursday, 14 November 2013 02:41 (eleven years ago)

But what about the vile racism? Think of the vile racism.

― everything, Thursday, 14 November 2013 02:53 (eleven years ago)

"at the ripe old age of 22*" is probably what Lily Allen would argue there.

..I'll see myself out.

― Greer, Thursday, 14 November 2013 02:56 (eleven years ago)

mostly what i get from this video is that people's butts are pretty great

― CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Thursday, 14 November 2013 02:59 (eleven years ago)

and lily allen has a baggy pussy

― CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Thursday, 14 November 2013 03:00 (eleven years ago)

well she goes to great lengths to say she's not "slut-shaming" in her non-apology anyway, suggesting that the only reason she wasn't twerking in her skivvies is because her legs aren't easy on the eye. which does beg the question of what the hell she was doing.

― da croupier, Thursday, 14 November 2013 03:06 (eleven years ago)

can't believe she went for "it's a coincidence that the women twerking their asses off in my video are black" as an excuse. most offensive thing about this non-issue, imo.

― CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Thursday, 14 November 2013 03:29 (eleven years ago)

If you believed her or didn't give a shit, your offensive non-issue would be a non-issue. Learn to trust.

― everything, Thursday, 14 November 2013 03:55 (eleven years ago)

"which does beg the question of what the hell she was doing"

being blinded by insecurity?

also that's not how 'beg the question' is used but anyway

― maura, Thursday, 14 November 2013 04:12 (eleven years ago)

Don't get me wrong, it's a bummer that that insecurity led to such a muddled video, taking an "objectification sucks" sentiment and turning it into "people who let themselves be objectified suck" sentiment - by neither twerking half-naked herself nor making clear she's mocking clothed people who smack their half-naked dancers, she comes off more like a pious miley than someone mocking miley (the reason that robin thicke joke works best is because the subversion is actually followed through). but that non-apology only adds to the confusion, and suggest she's either too proud to see/admit how she fucked up, or genuinely oblivious to the issues people have brought up.

― da croupier, Thursday, 14 November 2013 07:16 (eleven years ago)

nb i am a person who is very fatigued by the notion of "slut-shaming" because women who aren't seen as sexual also get a shitty end of the ol' patriarchy stick in ways that aren't as acceptable to discuss because doing so kickstarts the "slut-shaming" cycle, which, sigh

i think it was erika villani who coined the term "prude-shaming" a while ago (i think re: t-swift?) - i definitely see it as a concept that could do with more traction, and with an emphasis that it comes from the exact same place as slut-shaming

― lex pretend, Thursday, 14 November 2013 10:46 (eleven years ago)

BUT i read the line "don’t need to shake my ass for you ‘cuz I got a brain" as more of a "hi, women are not just sexual beings for you to leer at until we get ancient at the ripe old age of 25, and we have worth beyond your slobbering gaze" sort of protest?

shitting on other women is a poor way to fight sexism.

― gyac, Thursday, 14 November 2013 11:03 (eleven years ago)

I wonder if in this age of intense scrutiny of every lyric whether musicians will make themselves think harder or run songs past other people to pick up on bits that don't work. The video's horribly misjudged but the lyrics are fine imo apart from that one line, yet of course that's the line we're talking about.

― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 14 November 2013 11:57 (eleven years ago)

lex: http://thequietus.com/articles/13871-lily-allen-hard-out-here-macklemore-miley-cyrus

― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 November 2013 12:08 (eleven years ago)

No, they're not, DL! I listened to the song before watching the video and it still sucked.

― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 November 2013 12:08 (eleven years ago)

I don't like "I won't be bragging 'bout my cars or talking 'bout my chains" but I don't have a problem with the rest of it.

― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 14 November 2013 12:15 (eleven years ago)

the song is, on a musical level, astonishingly weak

― lex pretend, Thursday, 14 November 2013 12:16 (eleven years ago)

sorry if i missed it being posted already, but http://noisey.vice.com/blog/lily-allen-hard-out-here-ayesha-a-siddiqi is good.

― Merdeyeux, Thursday, 14 November 2013 12:18 (eleven years ago)

Oh man I clicked this thread and now bagpuss is ruined forever, thanks conty

― you can get fuckstab anywhere in london (wins), Thursday, 14 November 2013 12:19 (eleven years ago)

Great article, Lex

― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 14 November 2013 12:24 (eleven years ago)

is taking this style of dancing and body image into videos outside rap and rnb useful at all? inevitably cack-handed but maybe it ends up actually helping to enhance the debate beyond the extreme ends (essentially down to whether or not it exploits men as potently as women) even if most of what gets said is so clueless and cringeworthy (lily and the director apparently leading the way there - just saying as long as people are talking about it we've done our job shouldn't be good enough)

but other videos this year like 'pour it up' and major lazer's totally ignored 'bubble butt' seem more interesting in exploring the exploitation issue (if only by virtue of being more conceptually and stylistically disturbing with it)

― nashwan, Thursday, 14 November 2013 12:28 (eleven years ago)

also i guess i should've made this more explicit but can we talk about allen criticising hip-hop wealth culture then a verse later blithely presenting "there's money to make" as a feminist sentiment

― lex pretend, Thursday, 14 November 2013 12:40 (eleven years ago)

What is this throwback obsession with gold chains this year? Lest we forget: "If you don't judge my gold chains/I'll forget the iron chains".

― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 14 November 2013 12:47 (eleven years ago)

http://www.thevine.com.au/music/news/appeal-of-the-wrong-in-pop-lily-allen-hard-out-here-20131114-268343/

― ۩, Thursday, 14 November 2013 12:54 (eleven years ago)

and she didn't forget to put a gold chain on her boyfriend's blackface dick

― prolego, Thursday, 14 November 2013 12:54 (eleven years ago)

how much of this sort of thing is an expression of revulsion against specific cultural signifiers, compared to general commodity fetishism abetted by over-blown pop culture aspirations, though?

― Pingu Unchained (dog latin), Thursday, 14 November 2013 12:57 (eleven years ago)

Her appearance on Dizzee Rascal's "Wanna Be" in 2007 was so much wittier and welcome.

― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 November 2013 12:59 (eleven years ago)

xp well if you feel much more revulsion towards the cultural signifiers of black working class commodity fetishism than towards other kinds of commodity fetishism etc then you perhaaaaaps have questions to be asking of yourself.

― Merdeyeux, Thursday, 14 November 2013 13:03 (eleven years ago)

http://www.collapseboard.com/everett-true/conversation-held-in-public-around-the-new-lily-allen-video/

― ۩, Thursday, 14 November 2013 13:15 (eleven years ago)

ayesha siddiqi's piece is great too: http://noisey.vice.com/blog/lily-allen-hard-out-here-ayesha-a-siddiqi

― lex pretend, Thursday, 14 November 2013 13:21 (eleven years ago)

*sigh*
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/the-xrated-factor-lily-allen-sticks-it-to-the-misogynistic-music-man-8935706.html

― ۩, Thursday, 14 November 2013 13:22 (eleven years ago)

would like to see more pieces, esp non-official blogs, by women of colour - i think i missed a ton while i was offline writing

― lex pretend, Thursday, 14 November 2013 13:25 (eleven years ago)

chimene suleyman: http://www.poejazzi.com/fighting-against-the-fetishisation-of-women-doesnt-work-if-you-fetishise-women/

― lex pretend, Thursday, 14 November 2013 13:32 (eleven years ago)

So here it is: You don’t satirise race.

― lex pretend, Thursday, 14 November 2013 13:32 (eleven years ago)

I disagree with that as a blanket statement but it's certainly applicable here

― smoking, drinking, cracking and showing the MIDDLE FINGER (DJP), Thursday, 14 November 2013 14:07 (eleven years ago)

10 videos that actually pushed feminism forward in 2013 by Aimee Cliff
http://www.dummymag.com/lists/alternative-feminist-videos-to-lily-allen-2013

― gotta lol geir (NickB), Thursday, 14 November 2013 14:13 (eleven years ago)

wow, Q.U.E.E.N. is really fucking great eh

― imago, Thursday, 14 November 2013 14:34 (eleven years ago)

not watching l. allen video

― imago, Thursday, 14 November 2013 14:34 (eleven years ago)

Janelle Monae rules hardcore

― smoking, drinking, cracking and showing the MIDDLE FINGER (DJP), Thursday, 14 November 2013 14:52 (eleven years ago)

you gotta wonder why more people can't do it with intelligence, charm, good music & STILL get mass airplay. idk.

― imago, Thursday, 14 November 2013 14:55 (eleven years ago)

The short, glib answer is that there's no box for that.

― smoking, drinking, cracking and showing the MIDDLE FINGER (DJP), Thursday, 14 November 2013 14:57 (eleven years ago)

intersectional feminism is thankfully becoming more of an acknowledged thing & i guess monae/badu are 2 of its cultural standard-bearers

― imago, Thursday, 14 November 2013 15:01 (eleven years ago)

janelle monae doesn't get mass airplay

― le goon (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 14 November 2013 15:01 (eleven years ago)

lily allen, i would venture to say, is not

― imago, Thursday, 14 November 2013 15:01 (eleven years ago)

in fact janelle monae barely gets any airplay

― le goon (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 14 November 2013 15:02 (eleven years ago)

lol at thread title change

― how's life, Thursday, 14 November 2013 15:05 (eleven years ago)

Well I mean she's no Lorde, right.

Kidding. (Sorta.) But I mean the whitewashing of pop radio is something we've discussed on the board, and it affects artists like Monáe disproportionately.

(Also why are so many people neglecting the FOR YOU in that controversial line? That seems directed toward execs/men.)

― maura, Thursday, 14 November 2013 15:06 (eleven years ago)

(that was directed toward the person who said it was 'shitting on other women'—it's not, it's taking to task the idea of what's EXPECTED of women by men)

― maura, Thursday, 14 November 2013 15:09 (eleven years ago)

Hmmmmm

― Thomas K Amphong (Tom D.), Thursday, 14 November 2013 15:12 (eleven years ago)

Bad news, everyone. White guy Rich Juzwiak thinks all this outrage is "phony".

― Murgatroid, Thursday, 14 November 2013 15:34 (eleven years ago)

beautiful thread title change

― ۩, Thursday, 14 November 2013 15:55 (eleven years ago)

Normally I oppose comedy modding but I couldn't really resist this time.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 14 November 2013 15:58 (eleven years ago)

White people really need to stop slapping down criticism of this video. Elle magazine tweeted Lily Allen's response earlier with the line "take that, haters" because of course calling anyone offended a hater is sure to cool things down. If you're a white person sitting at your keyboard about to tell a black person to chillout, it's nbd, then you should maybe think for a minute.

But I just checked out Rich Juzwiak's tweets and he doesn't mention Lily Allen so is that necessarily what he's referring to?

― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 14 November 2013 16:19 (eleven years ago)

Considering he used the hashtag #fuckyourlilyallenwhining in a tweet cooing about Mariah Carey (which is what he should stick to) prior to his tweets about phony outrage, it's a reasonable assumption to make.

― Murgatroid, Thursday, 14 November 2013 16:22 (eleven years ago)

Ha, OK then

― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 14 November 2013 16:22 (eleven years ago)

like, yeah, there's a conflate of distaste, outrage, indifference, etc, but unless you genuinely believe there's no legitimate reason to find the video gross, you're better off naming names than saying "SOME people are making too much of..." esp if you're a writer who's regularly gone into mild hysterics in a review over something simply being really stupid.

― da croupier, Thursday, 14 November 2013 16:26 (eleven years ago)

(that was directed toward the person who said it was 'shitting on other women'—it's not, it's taking to task the idea of what's EXPECTED of women by men)

By saying that women who do what's "expected" don't have a brain? Doesn't seem much like targeting the execs when she's going "lol stupid sluts are stupid." Like, the video literally cuts to one of the dancers after that line. It's not ambiguous or subtle.

― gyac, Thursday, 14 November 2013 16:36 (eleven years ago)

I'm wary (and weary) of kneejerk outrage myself so I paid close attention to the initial responses and most of the anger came from black women rather than bandwagon-jumpers so I don't think it's anyone's place to call it phony.

― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 14 November 2013 16:39 (eleven years ago)

Part of me thinks we'd look really stupid if Juzwiak was referring to something else but the guy has been dismissive of shit he had zero stake in before so whatever.

― Murgatroid, Thursday, 14 November 2013 16:44 (eleven years ago)

he's had it up to here with people avoiding the real issues in toronto

― da croupier, Thursday, 14 November 2013 17:03 (eleven years ago)

that is not at all what she's saying, gyac. she's saying that nothing about her matters as long as she isn't seen as sexy by the fucked-up standards of 21st-century pop culture. (are you a dude? you're probably a dude, right.)

― maura, Thursday, 14 November 2013 17:13 (eleven years ago)

that is, in the minds of those looking at women. they want attractive women first, brainy women second. not really sure how this comes as a surprise to anyone, also not really comfortable with men rushing to the defense of women only being looked at through a sexualized lens, which is what a lot of male 'WHY ARE YOU SLUT-SHAMING???'-shaming comes off like.

― maura, Thursday, 14 November 2013 17:14 (eleven years ago)

I don't think you can elide or rationalize the gross racial aspect of this video given that Lily tweeted a picture of her boyfriend's penis dressed up as a golliwog as part of an argument with a black person.

― smoking, drinking, cracking and showing the MIDDLE FINGER (DJP), Thursday, 14 November 2013 17:18 (eleven years ago)

No, I'm a woman, but feel free to continue being wrong.

― gyac, Thursday, 14 November 2013 17:19 (eleven years ago)

allen and the dancers have been quite complimentary of each other in response to the furore and the positive reaction from the participants (patronised and perceived as pawns by people on both sides of the argument) is what tends to undermine the accusations of cultural misappropriation and/or unintentional x-ism. seems like the dancers would just agree with what allen and the director have said (which just leads back to 'shrug, hate the game').

― nashwan, Thursday, 14 November 2013 17:20 (eleven years ago)

Part of personal agency includes accepting that some people are going to think that your choice sucked.

― smoking, drinking, cracking and showing the MIDDLE FINGER (DJP), Thursday, 14 November 2013 17:22 (eleven years ago)

hat is, in the minds of those looking at women. they want attractive women first, brainy women second.

Lily Allen buying into this dichotomy - "I'm not like those sluts, I have a brain" is just making the same argument? Like I have a lot of sympathy for her because I know she has quite significant body image issues, and there was that period where she lost a shitload of weight and got rewarded for it with a Chanel campaign. That still doesn't make that line and the accompanying way it's presented in the video ok.

I don't think you can elide or rationalize the gross racial aspect of this video given that Lily tweeted a picture of her boyfriend's penis dressed up as a golliwog as part of an argument with a black person.

Seriously. She doesn't deserve any benefit of the doubt.

― gyac, Thursday, 14 November 2013 17:25 (eleven years ago)

From Julianne Shepherd's Hairpin piece on the video:

"You could counter with, "whatever, it's her video," or say that it is "pure rap-game parody." One of the dancers in the video, Seliza Sebastian, has tweeted that she enjoyed herself and found a friend in Allen. I'm not here to discount Sebastian's experience at all, or the possibility that there's value in her being "in on the joke," but to point out that the images in pop culture go beyond your one-day video shoot, and that they're gonna have implications beyond where you think your headspace is at. "

― Murgatroid, Thursday, 14 November 2013 17:26 (eleven years ago)

What else were the dancers going to say? Were they going to speak out against it and jeopardise their chances of future work?

― gyac, Thursday, 14 November 2013 17:27 (eleven years ago)

the line is fine when divorced from the context of the video, imo, because it's her standing up for herself against the tide of 'be sexier.' (again, the 'for you' is the essential part of the lyric that seems to be deliberately overlooked by so many—who is 'you'? surely it's important.) there's something to be said for the way women in post-millennial pop culture seem to fundamentally change once they reach the 'late 20s' threshold, too; it's like when they become aware of the fact that something more than their talent was what made them alluring to both executives and mass culture. britney is obviously the most extreme example (she turned 26 in 2007, the year of her public meltdown) but there are others; this is why i am waiting on all these exhortations about miley's savvy, honestly.

also, i'm sorry i misgendered you, gyac.

― maura, Thursday, 14 November 2013 17:31 (eleven years ago)

you don't think that's patronising them? xp

― nashwan, Thursday, 14 November 2013 17:32 (eleven years ago)

The dancers are cool with it, great we can now ignore all the black women who find it offensive

― you can get fuckstab anywhere in london (wins), Thursday, 14 November 2013 17:37 (eleven years ago)

Standing up for yourself doesn't mean you have to throw other women under the bus, or use their bodies to make a point though. I would suggest you read the Ayesha Siddiqi piece linked upthread for a far better analysis of it. Also, thank you (I wasn't offended or anything, but that's cool of you.)

― gyac, Thursday, 14 November 2013 17:38 (eleven years ago)

The dancers don't need to feel coerced into cosigning the video in order for the video to be fucked up.

For me, Lily Allen is unambiguously a racist. As such, I'm going to look askance at any interaction she has with race because I have zero faith that she will navigate it in a manner I will agree with. This video bears that out for me, particularly when in response she invokes both "it's just a bit of fun" AND completely undercuts defense of criticism of how she's showing off the bodies of the dancers as compared to herself with "well I have cellulite! no one wants to see that".

I mean, maybe this whole thing is an extended media prank where she is intentionally setting herself up as the caricature of an unthinking privileged racist for satirical purposes but that seems like a stretch.

― smoking, drinking, cracking and showing the MIDDLE FINGER (DJP), Thursday, 14 November 2013 17:40 (eleven years ago)

xp It's not unheard of for women to speak out if they've felt uncomfortable in a movie or video. It's a bit of a leap to assume that they're secretly unhappy but too scared to say so. I'm sure they were cool with it but it doesn't mean the viewer can't be uncomfortable with the imagery. It's like if you're anti-porn, you're not going to change your mind because certain porn stars are happy and fulfilled.

― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 14 November 2013 17:40 (eleven years ago)

xxp How does slagging off someone who's paid you for your work in a public forum usually turns out? If one of them came out and said "Actually, I thought it came out horribly" or whatever, they'd be called ungrateful and of biting the hand that feeds. I fully acknowledge they may have no problem with it - I'm just saying that for the obvious reasons, it's not like we would know if they had problems with the finished product!

― gyac, Thursday, 14 November 2013 17:42 (eleven years ago)

I'm very familiar with Ayesha's work. But I think saying that you're throwing women under the bus by saying "no, I don't want to be sexy, I have other things to offer" really diminishes the locus of possible critique—not just by Lily Allen, but by any woman who might not fit into ideals of what is "hot."

― maura, Thursday, 14 November 2013 17:43 (eleven years ago)

(And I am definitely speaking as a woman who has opted out of a lot of shit because she is more than aware that she falls outside the paradigm.)

― maura, Thursday, 14 November 2013 17:44 (eleven years ago)

I'm trying to divorce the lyrics (which I think are still worth discussion) from the imagery (which is really thoughtless). It's "Blurred Lines" all over again! Help!

― maura, Thursday, 14 November 2013 17:45 (eleven years ago)

just curious, as I've only seen the picture, how do we know that's her boyfriend's penis? (and did ...did she dress it up especially for yungrapunxel beef?)

― ͼѾͽ (sic), Thursday, 14 November 2013 17:46 (eleven years ago)

It's a bit of a leap to assume that they're secretly unhappy but too scared to say so.

It's acknowledging a basic economic reality. They are dancers. There are lots of dancers, it's a hugely competitive field. Hardly the same as a famous actress saying she was uncomfortable doing something in a film - and when Megan Fox spoke out against Michael Bay, the reaction was pretty uniformly negative.

― gyac, Thursday, 14 November 2013 17:46 (eleven years ago)

multiple xps - I see your point, but I disagree, because this isn't the first time she has lashed out at more "conventionally attractive" women partly due to her own issues, when really the ludicrous standards women are expected to live up to are to blame. But that doesn't get you quite as much attention as mocking Cheryl Tweedy. (Remember that whole thing?)

Cheryl said: “I’m really flattered Lily’s written a track about me. But I don’t know why she sings about wanting to be as pretty as me as she looks stunning. I’d like to look like her. It’s about time we had a really cool British girl out there on the music scene.”
But Lily has pointed out that Cheryl missed the point: “I don’t want to look like Cheryl Tweedy! It’s tongue in cheek, it’s meant to be ironic.”
“I don’t have anything against her as a human being but I think the portrayal of her being the right thing for kids to look up to is wrong.
“It was a joke that not many people got. Of course nobody really wants to look like Cheryl, they just think they do.”

― gyac, Thursday, 14 November 2013 17:53 (eleven years ago)

I'm surprised that in her article Ayesha hails the Pour It Up video as some kind of feminist breakthrough just because there are no men in it. It's still full of ass and crotch shots and you never even see the strippers' faces, only Rihanna's. To say that it "priotizes the female gaze" suggests a low bar. I'm sure a lot of the 67 million YouTube views came from men who are happy watching faceless strippers.

― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 14 November 2013 17:58 (eleven years ago)

I'm trying to divorce the lyrics (which I think are still worth discussion) from the imagery (which is really thoughtless).

I don't think you can do this very easily, given that the imagery is why people are paying attention to the song AND that particular imagery was selected to complement/reinforce the message of the song. It's like, a bunch of white dudes who beat up a black dude may or may not have done so for reasons based on race, but when you find out the dudes were all dressed up in Klan outfits, the story changes dramatically.

― smoking, drinking, cracking and showing the MIDDLE FINGER (DJP), Thursday, 14 November 2013 17:59 (eleven years ago)

dorian, did you read this round table that ayesha contributed to re: the "pour it up" video? http://thehairpin.com/2013/10/rihanna-on-my-mind

i don't entirely agree with everything - but it's just a conversation with ideas thrown round, not a conclusion - and nor would i single it out as a particularly subversive music video, but i do like the idea of solidarity shown with strippers (and fwiw a few people i follow in the sex worker community were very pro this point as well)

― lex pretend, Thursday, 14 November 2013 18:07 (eleven years ago)

(i do think "pour it up" is a much more interesting song than video, which makes a change for latter-day rihanna)

― lex pretend, Thursday, 14 November 2013 18:08 (eleven years ago)

I don't see where the solidarity comes in tbh. Show their faces if you want to be on their side.

― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 14 November 2013 18:11 (eleven years ago)

or you could show females who work somewhere besides strip clubs

― brand nubian wafers (bnw), Thursday, 14 November 2013 18:17 (eleven years ago)

That too.

― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 14 November 2013 18:19 (eleven years ago)

you realize that you're saying "women who strip are not worthy of being celebrated by other women" right?

― le goon (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 14 November 2013 18:24 (eleven years ago)

the "pour it up" video seems to me like a pretty blatantly obvious example of re-claiming something that is stigmatized

― le goon (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 14 November 2013 18:26 (eleven years ago)

also there was a whole side discussion on twitter in response to the hairpin rihanna piece about how the "pour it up" video interacts with west indian culture that i won't attempt to summarize here but suffice to say there is a lot more going on there than most non-west indians (myself included) would initially pick up on

― le goon (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 14 November 2013 18:28 (eleven years ago)

like e.g. a big dance culture in jamaica based around women dancing in this way but not for money?

― nashwan, Thursday, 14 November 2013 18:43 (eleven years ago)

for starters

― smoking, drinking, cracking and showing the MIDDLE FINGER (DJP), Thursday, 14 November 2013 18:46 (eleven years ago)

v interesting that e.g. 'pon de floor' showed the gender interaction (but also seen as mis-appropriation rightly or wrongly) but 'pour it up' doesn't (and seen as reclaimation)

― nashwan, Thursday, 14 November 2013 18:50 (eleven years ago)

This is what I mean by a low bar. The video doesn't make the male viewer uncomfortable or subvert his expectations in any significant way. It doesn't allow the strippers any personality. By not showing their faces it presents them only as sexualised bodies. And yet it counts as celebration and reclamation because it's better than all the other videos with strippers in? Maybe so. I've read the Hairpin discussion twice and I just don't see it.

― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:01 (eleven years ago)

it's kind of amazing someone could fit variations of evasive troll moves like "i'm sorry i'm not sorry," "it was all in fun" AND "talking about it? good, sparking a conversation was the goal" while chalking up any perceived failure to the very insecurity she's campaigning against (again, without actually copping to any failure - if she'd pointed out how her fear of the male gaze made it seem like she was critiquing those less afraid, and apologized to the women offended by that, this would be another matter entirely). like, even if there weren't other examples of her attacking other women and being horrible about race, this would be enough evidence that she's not The Pop Star We Need In 2013. Like, can we literally not find someone better at pointing out that objectification sucks?

to be clear, i still like some of her songs and i know "white dude decries white woman's intersectional crimes" is quickly becoming a grating web cliche. i just find this pretty tragic, in part because I really like some of her stuff. this is a hell of a way to come back.

― da croupier, Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:04 (eleven years ago)

Lily is to feminism what Russell Brand is to socialism - I'm glad someone's out there making these points but good god this is a terrible person to rally behind and they undermine them in so many other ways.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:07 (eleven years ago)

funny you should say that - was just reading this pretty decent blog arguing that

http://dietofbrokenbiscuits.com/post/66955869090/misogyny-racism-and-dick-pics-why-we-need-to-aim

― lex pretend, Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:11 (eleven years ago)

I am curious; why was Jennifer Lawrence brought up and then exempted from critique?

― smoking, drinking, cracking and showing the MIDDLE FINGER (DJP), Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:16 (eleven years ago)

ditto. i'll be real upset if i have to start hating jennifer lawrence now

― monotony, Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:17 (eleven years ago)

i actually have no idea

― lex pretend, Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:19 (eleven years ago)

I mean, she gets labeled as "problematic" without ever going into exactly what is problematic about her, whereas most of the things I've heard from her have been self-aware in a way I've come to never expect from anyone famous talking to the media.

― smoking, drinking, cracking and showing the MIDDLE FINGER (DJP), Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:20 (eleven years ago)

And it's not like I don't think she could be problematic; EVERYONE can be problematic! I'd just like to know why she's problematic; if it's tied to the dichotomy between her stance about how she wants to appear in The Hunger Games contrasted with a sexy photo shoot for GQ, there's some rationalization I want to make about manipulating your image for different audiences/contexts that I want to believe isn't complete horseshit.

― smoking, drinking, cracking and showing the MIDDLE FINGER (DJP), Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:23 (eleven years ago)

"problematic" is a chickenshit word by execs infuriated that their nubile female charges aren't doing as told.

― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:25 (eleven years ago)

i'm kind of shocked a singer like Timberlake or somebody hasn't tried to repurpose that phrase in a sex jam yet (i.e. "girl, i wanna get problematic with you!" or "the way you dress be problematic for me, baby")

― da croupier, Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:27 (eleven years ago)

xxp beyoncé also did a "sexy photo shoot" for GQ recently, if we're talking about empowered women projecting different versions of themselves in different contexts

― monotony, Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:28 (eleven years ago)

Because no one outside of the internet says that word.

― Murgatroid, Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:28 (eleven years ago)

yes, that's where it starts

― da croupier, Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:29 (eleven years ago)

"This take-back-the-night shit be gettin' problematic, girlllll"

― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:30 (eleven years ago)

no one outside the internet puts a hashtag in front of a word but somehow it wound up in the title of a mariah carey single

― da croupier, Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:30 (eleven years ago)

Because although she is for the most part sort of harmless and well-meaning, sometimes she says stupid shit like "I knew that if I was going to be naked in front of the world, I wanted to look like a woman and not a prepubescent 13-year-old boy."

― gyac, Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:31 (eleven years ago)

your hips, your thighs, they got me problematized

― smize without a face (c sharp major), Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:32 (eleven years ago)

it's systematic, problematic
but i gotta have it

― da croupier, Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:33 (eleven years ago)

can't you see, sometimes your words just problematize me

― smize without a face (c sharp major), Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:34 (eleven years ago)

I guess Lawrence's statements are "problematic" in a way but they are also critical of the way that fashion fetishizes an unrealistic ideal of the female form. What would be a better way of putting that?

― maura, Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:34 (eleven years ago)

Not buying into the "real women" vs "skinny women" dichotomy. I mean, once again, you can acknowledge the shittiness of standards that have someone who looks like JLaw as "curvy" or "voluptuous" or any of the other code words magazines use that mean fat without implying that there's only one way to look like a woman.

― gyac, Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:38 (eleven years ago)

I don't think she's implying there's an absolute dichotomy, but OK.

― maura, Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:40 (eleven years ago)

For me, Lily Allen is unambiguously a racist. As such, I'm going to look askance at any interaction she has with race because I have zero faith that she will navigate it in a manner I will agree with.

what racist stuff did lily allen do prior to this video? googled it but can't find anything.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:40 (eleven years ago)

I guess I don't really see off-the-cuff statements on red carpets or at junkets as unassailable declarations of there being only one alternative? Perhaps the media-saturated age is also resulting in too many opportunities for people to spiral off statements and then point fingers and say "PROBLEMATIC"!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-WTbGupxbk

― maura, Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:42 (eleven years ago)

I wanted to look like a woman and not a prepubescent 13-year-old boy

What does that imply, if not a dichotomy? I mean, these are the body standards Hollywood has for women. Thin and part of the mainstream, or not. Jennifer Lawrence is getting mainstream roles and leads, she's not exactly Rebel Wilson.

― gyac, Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:43 (eleven years ago)

Not saying that there should be a thinkpiece and an outrage cycle for every stupid thing someone says on the red carpet but god forbid celebrities, as people like the rest of us, be thoughtful in what they say.

― Murgatroid, Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:44 (eleven years ago)

Work a red carpet and get back to me on that.

― maura, Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:44 (eleven years ago)

Also "look like a woman" implies a lot of possibilities!

― maura, Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:45 (eleven years ago)

what racist stuff did lily allen do prior to this video?

In the midst of a Twitter argument with Azealia Banks, she tweeted a picture of her boyfriend?/husband? (I've seen him referenced both ways)'s penis painted up and dressed as a golliwog to resounding cheers from her fanbase.

― smoking, drinking, cracking and showing the MIDDLE FINGER (DJP), Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:46 (eleven years ago)

Like I mean if we're going to get into transphobic interpretations of that statement, I don't even know.

― maura, Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:46 (eleven years ago)

Ugh let's just sum up this whole thing as "everything is terrible, especially for women still"

― maura, Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:46 (eleven years ago)

Because we're not exactly solving anything with the circular firing squad bullshit.

― maura, Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:47 (eleven years ago)

new life description xpost

― Tip from Tae Kwon Do: (crüt), Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:47 (eleven years ago)

yikes. that's pretty awful. (xxxpost)

cosign on awfulness of the word 'problematic.'

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:48 (eleven years ago)

why did I GIS that

― problem attic (cozen), Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:48 (eleven years ago)

Within the context of her industry, though? There isn't a lot of deviation for actresses these days, certainly not leads. Like, I'm not particularly invested in this argument, but the post linked up thread was about people who talk about certain issues and what JL might have said that construed her being "problematic" on the subject of body issues.

― gyac, Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:51 (eleven years ago)

Wasn't a golliwog, don't know if it was her husbands or boyfriends dick and it was in response to some fairly nasty abuse that Banks started. Just saying.

― everything, Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:51 (eleven years ago)

So racism is excused if you're sufficiently mean? How mean does someone have to be before you can throw out a racial slur or slap some blackface on a penis? Just wondering.

― gyac, Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:53 (eleven years ago)

Azealia Banks is wholly worthless and humanity as a whole would be better off if she didn't exist IMO; that doesn't actually make it excusable to tweet racist shit at her

― smoking, drinking, cracking and showing the MIDDLE FINGER (DJP), Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:53 (eleven years ago)

Absolutely. This Tumblr about Jennifer Lawrence is like something from the Red Scare.

http://yourfaveisproblematic.tumblr.com/post/45661326649/jennifer-lawrence

― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:54 (eleven years ago)

Objectifying people is pretty much the entire foundation of the music industry, isn't it? Taking musical expression and selling it as physical object. Taking an artist and selling them as "a brand".

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 14 November 2013 19:57 (eleven years ago)

the whole penis thing was insanely racist

― le goon (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 14 November 2013 20:00 (eleven years ago)

Your Ass Is Problematic

― maura, Thursday, 14 November 2013 20:03 (eleven years ago)

Wasn't a golliwog, don't know if it was her husbands or boyfriends dick and it was in response to some fairly nasty abuse that Banks started. Just saying.

wow i knew the video would have its defenders but i had no idea there'd be apologists for the dick in blackface

― lex pretend, Thursday, 14 November 2013 20:05 (eleven years ago)

Was the thread title changed?

― Moka, Thursday, 14 November 2013 20:06 (eleven years ago)

and yes, AZB has been pretty awful herself (and, unlike LA at the time of the beef, she's been rightly raked over the coals for it), and all that shows us is that to come off even worse you have to be really vile yourself

― lex pretend, Thursday, 14 November 2013 20:06 (eleven years ago)

just pointing out someone named "everything" posted that right after maura said "everything is terrible"

11th dimensional trolling??

― i have sounded the very dub step of humility (anonanon), Thursday, 14 November 2013 20:07 (eleven years ago)

Moka: yes the thread title was changed. Several lolled.

― smoking, drinking, cracking and showing the MIDDLE FINGER (DJP), Thursday, 14 November 2013 20:12 (eleven years ago)

The dick was not in blackface. It was a black or brown dick (decorated to look like Azalia Banks maybe). Whatever. Sorry to interupt the outrage. Congrats to Lily Allen for getting some people who don't give a shit about her to pay her some attention.

― everything, Thursday, 14 November 2013 20:21 (eleven years ago)

The dick was not in blackface.

are you kidding me

― Tip from Tae Kwon Do: (crüt), Thursday, 14 November 2013 20:28 (eleven years ago)

Yes.

― everything, Thursday, 14 November 2013 20:30 (eleven years ago)

k good

― Tip from Tae Kwon Do: (crüt), Thursday, 14 November 2013 20:35 (eleven years ago)

Really what this thread needs for some empirical evidence like maybe a white male poster who can turn up and go "well actually he might be right, last time I blacked up my penis it didn't look anything like that" but really so many more 0_0 things have happened on ILX over the years that I wouldn't be remotely surprised.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 14 November 2013 20:39 (eleven years ago)

Moka: yes the thread title was changed. Several lolled.

― smoking, drinking, cracking and showing the MIDDLE FINGER (DJP),

Hahaha ok, yeah i found it funny but I was reading the initial posts and nothing made sense.

― Moka, Thursday, 14 November 2013 20:42 (eleven years ago)

the more we talk abt it the more people will GIS it the better I'll feel

― cozen, Thursday, 14 November 2013 20:43 (eleven years ago)

Surely you critical lot have an opinion on this??!!

Eclex

― E-Clex (E-Clex), Thursday, April 27, 2006 2:00 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

― dicktweeter perpetuo (wins), Thursday, 14 November 2013 20:49 (eleven years ago)

― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:01 AM (1 hour ago)

why should a hypothetical male viewer's response enter into it?

― CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Thursday, 14 November 2013 21:07 (eleven years ago)

Why would it not? All discussion of gaze involves hypothetical viewers. And check out YouTube - they're not hypothetical.

― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 14 November 2013 21:19 (eleven years ago)

i just figure that a woman's reclamation of something occurs on her own terms, not how i imagine some guy might interpret the gesture

― CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Thursday, 14 November 2013 21:21 (eleven years ago)

^ ...not in relation to how i imagine some guy...

― CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Thursday, 14 November 2013 21:23 (eleven years ago)

"cuz i've got a brain" is traditionally a phrase only used by relatively stupid/insecure people, so little wonder it turns out she's out of her depth.

― Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 14 November 2013 21:38 (eleven years ago)

the rap verse from electrik red's "muah" (presented w/o comment. legitimately!)

Now tell me what you really gonna do with that
Never seen a girl with an ass so fat
I'm not a stripper but I dance like that
I'm not a stripper but where the money at
I'm not a freak, I'm not a nasty hoe
Well I'm lyin but I'm classy though
I'm like you don't wanna get get get it?
To the bed room hit hit hit it
I'm not a ditz, I got a brain
You saw my titties before you see my face
It's all good nigga don't be ashamed
I would feel the same, cause I know you know

I'm the shit with this shit

etc

― le goon (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 14 November 2013 22:14 (eleven years ago)

<3333333

― lex pretend, Thursday, 14 November 2013 22:26 (eleven years ago)

i loved watching this just now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOVDnDz2eYI

― lex pretend, Thursday, 14 November 2013 22:26 (eleven years ago)

― da croupier, Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:27 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

LOL

― flopson, Thursday, 14 November 2013 22:44 (eleven years ago)

just want to add re: lily allen's "no one wants to see my cellulite" is particularly bullshit since a main visual motif is the slow motion rippling tide of the dancer's asses

― flopson, Thursday, 14 November 2013 22:45 (eleven years ago)

White Feminist ‏@WhiteFeminist

Hard Out Here to replace Same Love as my #PoliticsJam 4 the term! Lily Allen delivers w a scathing critique of #UrbanMusic & objectification

― uberweiss, Thursday, 14 November 2013 23:26 (eleven years ago)

perfect

that account is always perfect

i was WAITING FOR IT

― lex pretend, Thursday, 14 November 2013 23:31 (eleven years ago)

lollllll @ that j-law rap sheet

― i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 14 November 2013 23:59 (eleven years ago)

• In an interview with Zach Galifianakis, she asked, “Isn’t [the hunger games] your life story?” to allude to the fact that he is fat. (This was scripted by Galifianakis himself)

― i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Friday, 15 November 2013 00:01 (eleven years ago)

― da croupier, Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:27 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

LOL

― flopson, Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:44 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Girl, I'm gonna problematize you.

― Tim F, Friday, 15 November 2013 00:06 (eleven years ago)

lmao the first thing i did after seeing the video was to check the whitefeminist twitter

btw i really don't think this is a case of "well the imagery is highly questionable BUT THE LYRICS ARE GOOD SO I'M OKAY WITH IT"... i mean you don't even have to go three couplets in before you're encountering lyrics that are horrifying on their own. of course the way the words and images interact is especially vile.

― dyl, Friday, 15 November 2013 01:53 (eleven years ago)

yeah, the bar for "good lyrics" is apparently set at "you'll find me in the studio instead of the kitchen." it's like... a combination of "how biting -- in 1963" and "oh, ok, my apologies for cooking myself dinner instead of having the foresight and/or brains to be a platinum-selling recording artist."

― katherine, Friday, 15 November 2013 03:17 (eleven years ago)

"You'll find me in the studio instead of the kitchen."

You could tell me Ed Sheeran wrote that and I'd believe you -> therefore, it's not good.

― Special guest from Canberra (edwardo), Friday, 15 November 2013 04:32 (eleven years ago)

the massive hypocrisy in mocking how black people boast about their wealth in verse one, then in verse two blithely presenting "there's money to make" as a feminist sentiment, as well

― lex pretend, Friday, 15 November 2013 07:56 (eleven years ago)

it's not ostentatious if you spend it on "nice things"

― a strident purist when it comes to band-related shirts (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 November 2013 07:59 (eleven years ago)

This has me thinking about this thread:

C or D - 70s era artists (usually white dudes) with gospel-style backup singers (usually black women)

― curmudgeon, Friday, 15 November 2013 16:14 (eleven years ago)

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/daisy-lindlar/lily-allen-hard-out-here_b_4276840.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

This week, the music video for Lily Allen's first new single since 2009, Hard Out Here, was released. The video, a satire on the objectification of women, has been viewed on YouTube over two million times in two days, and the hype surrounding it shows no sign of slowing down. Feminist issues have been put in the media spotlight recently, particularly within the music industry; who can forget the recent criticism of Robin Thicke's Blurred Lines, and the backlash over Miley Cyrus' fondness for twerking?
Despite the empowering message of the song, the video for Hard Out Here has received a lot of criticism, particularly for it's supposedly racist undertones. However, I completely support Allen in what she is trying to achieve, and I wish that others - particularly women - would do the same.
In the video, the message Allen is trying to send is clear. We are worth more than our appearance and our bodies, we should be proud of who we are, and we shouldn't be letting anyone tell us otherwise. This is a message that goes unnoticed all too often in the media, where a woman is a lot more likely to be celebrated for her figure than her talents (often through no fault of her own), and any woman who is trying to go against this should be celebrated.
It's a sad fact that we live in a society where women can never win. If we wear revealing clothes, we are criticised. If we stay covered up, we are criticised. If we talk openly about our sex lives, we are criticised. If we prefer to keep it private, yet again, we are criticised. That is why I am a firm believer that we, as women, should support each other. After all, the idea of the sisterhood is at the core of feminism, and if we don't support and respect one another, how can we expect anyone else to?
It's true, Allen's video is not everyone's idea of feminist perfection. Yes, she is fully clothed whilst the dancers are not. Yes, the majority of the dancers are from ethnic minorities. However, if she were just wearing a bikini in the video, she would have been criticised for using her body to sell records. And if she had only used white dancers, the video would still have been labelled 'racist'. In reality, nothing is perfect, and this does extend to feminist media, and feminists themselves. For example, I am slightly ashamed to admit that I probably wouldn't leave the house without make up on. Does this make me any less of a feminist? Or make what I have to say on feminism any less relevant? Not at all.
What we should be doing is celebrating the fact that Lily Allen is making an effort to change the message that women are fed by the media every day. Rather than point out what she has done wrong, we should be recognising what she has done right. And the fact is that, in terms of empowering women, she has done a lot more than many other musicians have. So let's stop pointing out all the flaws, and give her the credit she deserves.
It's hard out here for a bitch. Let's not make it any harder.

Follow Daisy Lindlar on Twitter: www.twitter.com/DaisyLindlar

― ۩, Friday, 15 November 2013 22:47 (eleven years ago)

Let's not make it any harder.

lmao

― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 November 2013 22:50 (eleven years ago)

I trust no writer who uses "whilst"

― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 November 2013 22:51 (eleven years ago)

However, I completely support Allen in what she is trying to achieve, and I wish that others - particularly women - would do the same

aka "Fall in line, women of color who've had the audacity to not praise this video."

― Greer, Friday, 15 November 2013 23:24 (eleven years ago)

I trust no writer who uses "whilst"

― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, November 15, 2013 11:51 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not to mention one who errs w/r/t the "it's" and "its" distinction

― monotony, Friday, 15 November 2013 23:47 (eleven years ago)

And if she had only used white dancers, the video would still have been labelled 'racist'.

This feels like it might not be true.

― famous for hits! (seandalai), Saturday, 16 November 2013 02:01 (eleven years ago)

lol nobody's perfect

― socki (s1ocki), Saturday, 16 November 2013 05:51 (eleven years ago)

(Mods - is the title of this thread wise?)

― djh, Saturday, 16 November 2013 11:18 (eleven years ago)

there's a question mark

― a strident purist when it comes to band-related shirts (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 16 November 2013 11:24 (eleven years ago)

About 10,200 results for "Lily Allen racist". If this thread title is seen as worthy of any legal action she's going to have some pretty busy libel lawyers.

― Matt DC, Saturday, 16 November 2013 11:28 (eleven years ago)

don't think anybody's successfully sued to prove they're not racist?

― a strident purist when it comes to band-related shirts (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 16 November 2013 11:29 (eleven years ago)

Frankie Boyle did.

― Ramnaresh Samhain (ShariVari), Saturday, 16 November 2013 11:34 (eleven years ago)

so he did. ho-hum.

― a strident purist when it comes to band-related shirts (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 16 November 2013 11:39 (eleven years ago)

That was a national newspaper and they a made a (pretty dumb) blanket statement. We are engaging in a debate as to whether or not Lily Allen is being racist. Thread title entirety justified (except maybe the words 'summer' and 'biggest').

― Matt DC, Saturday, 16 November 2013 11:51 (eleven years ago)

supposedly racist undertones

And if she had only used white dancers, the video would still have been labelled 'racist'.

So let's stop pointing out all the flaws, and give her the credit she deserves.

This is exactly what you'd get if you took everything from #solidarityisforwhitewomen and wrote it into one article. Except this article is painfully unaware of those arguments.

― gyac, Saturday, 16 November 2013 14:35 (eleven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxeFrmCyDOQ

― lex pretend, Monday, 18 November 2013 19:21 (eleven years ago)

lex, your piece on this song/video was the best one i read. ty for it.

― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 20 November 2013 22:59 (eleven years ago)

Worst Black Sky Thinking ever, I thought.

― everything, Wednesday, 20 November 2013 23:21 (eleven years ago)

thx roxy

also heartening that blatant racism apologists like "everything" weren't into it

meanwhile, i'm sure this will end well: http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/83526377.html

(gotta love allen's sense of female solidarity once again!)

― lex pretend, Thursday, 21 November 2013 07:33 (eleven years ago)

Yeah it must be deeply satisfying for you to have your work dismissed as click-bait hack work by all the racist-apologizing readers of the Quietus.

― everything, Thursday, 21 November 2013 19:28 (eleven years ago)

lmao @ you speaking for all the quietus' readers

― lex pretend, Friday, 22 November 2013 10:32 (eleven years ago)

would lmao but i cant for smdh-ing

― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Friday, 22 November 2013 17:00 (eleven years ago)

I was referring to the long thread of disparaging comments you scored. As you say, heartening for you.

― everything, Friday, 22 November 2013 18:00 (eleven years ago)

Say something that makes sense or fuck off before the sun rises and turns you to stone.

― a beef supreme (dog latin), Friday, 22 November 2013 20:14 (eleven years ago)

Charming.

― everything, Friday, 22 November 2013 20:33 (eleven years ago)

I'm busy blacking up my dick right now. See you in a bit.

― everything, Friday, 22 November 2013 20:37 (eleven years ago)

I'm really impressed by the endless list of feminist articles for the Quietus, also impressed by the sausagefest that is their end of year poll full of avant manmetal.

― ineloquentwow (Craigo Boingo), Monday, 25 November 2013 03:04 (eleven years ago)

I was referring to the long thread of disparaging comments you scored. As you say, heartening for you.

"never go btl" applies as much on the quietus as on the guardian, fact, pretty much every official outlet. in terms of +ve feedback from people who's opinions i respect, yes, the response to that was extremely heartening

― lex pretend, Monday, 25 November 2013 08:44 (eleven years ago)

i do wonder about your own stake in defending lily allen though

― lex pretend, Monday, 25 November 2013 08:46 (eleven years ago)

My go:

I've not seen the vid, which means I am well-placed to say:

The song sounds alright, we heard it on the chart rundown yesterday.

As far as the video goes, it sounds like it's a take-off of a previous hit video by someone else, which means it has a lot in common with what the two ronnies did many years ago, so is not a good idea.

― Mark G, Monday, 25 November 2013 11:10 (eleven years ago)

Someone compared it to early-90s French and Saunders.

― a beef supreme (dog latin), Monday, 25 November 2013 11:43 (eleven years ago)

Now that is harsh.

― In times of osterity, these Eton-educated poshboys (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 25 November 2013 14:19 (eleven years ago)

Well, there you go. (xpost)

― Mark G, Monday, 25 November 2013 15:48 (eleven years ago)

the songs itself doesn't bother me (that one line is eurgh tho), and in fact i really dig the chorus. my taste in pop has been called rank tho

― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Friday, 29 November 2013 21:22 (eleven years ago)

that is basically my feeling on it too. i loved it when i first overheard i coming out of someone else's computer speakers.

the video sort of ruins it forever for me though, which kinda doesn't speak highly of the song itself if it can be so determined by that

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 29 November 2013 21:25 (eleven years ago)

yeah. i dont like it enough to say so in public and risk people thinking im ok with the rankness of the video, since that's the most well-known thing about it at this point.

― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Friday, 29 November 2013 21:32 (eleven years ago)

two months pass...

cringing so much at her album title

― prolego, Friday, 21 February 2014 22:00 (eleven years ago)

No dumber than what its spoofing.

― Inside Lewellyn Sinclair (cryptosicko), Friday, 21 February 2014 22:02 (eleven years ago)

People who think Kanye named his album Yeezus without any self-awareness, consideration, or understanding of how such an album title would be received in light of his public image also probably think Sheezus is a clever spoof.

― Greer, Friday, 21 February 2014 22:06 (eleven years ago)

Wait, I thought it was joke?
http://i.minus.com/ibqeOcSW2kgfau.gif

― Bonnie Mckii (jay.), Friday, 21 February 2014 22:27 (eleven years ago)

xpost

Their still both dumb.

― Inside Lewellyn Sinclair (cryptosicko), Friday, 21 February 2014 23:01 (eleven years ago)

it's really the worst feeling in the world when you make a stupid typo while calling someone else dumb

― sent as gassed to onto rt dominance (DJP), Saturday, 22 February 2014 00:34 (eleven years ago)

Gah!

It really is.

*leaves thread in shame*

― Inside Lewellyn Sinclair (cryptosicko), Saturday, 22 February 2014 00:57 (eleven years ago)

ahhahahahah

― socki (s1ocki), Saturday, 22 February 2014 15:34 (eleven years ago)

why is this happening

bomb england

― wow such doge of venice (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 23 February 2014 09:57 (eleven years ago)

maybe it's a reference to how Woody Allen says "Jesus?"

― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 23 February 2014 09:59 (eleven years ago)

http://edge-img.datpiff.com/m0663997/Remy_Ma_Shesus_Khryst-front-large.jpg

― r|t|c, Sunday, 23 February 2014 10:20 (eleven years ago)

lily is going to struggle to top that. i can only hope i wld have such poise during my crucifixion

― ogmor, Sunday, 23 February 2014 10:28 (eleven years ago)

RTC OTM

(except there were only like three good songs on that)

― I got the Poison, I got the Rammellzee (sic), Sunday, 23 February 2014 12:30 (eleven years ago)

The two have an unusual history together. Allen appeared on "Drivin' Me Wild," a 2007 Common track produced by West for his album Finding Forever. In 2011, West earned the ire of Allen after tweeting "An abortion can cost a ballin' nigga up to 50gs maybe a 100," he posted. "Gold diggin' bitches be getting pregnant on purpose. #STRAPUP my niggas!" The tweet has since been deleted, but caused Allen to reply, "Never has a tweet put me in such a bad mood. This is wrong on so many levels."

― joe perry has been dead for years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 23 February 2014 13:11 (eleven years ago)

never has a tweet put me in such a bad mood

― joe perry has been dead for years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 23 February 2014 13:11 (eleven years ago)

has all the music leaked in one place yet? Indiv songs seem to be all over the place

― Lee626, Sunday, 23 February 2014 13:43 (eleven years ago)

I'm not against someone hypothetically parodying Kanye's album title. In another world, I've released a mixtape named Wash The Throne (the cover has me as a janitor looking horrified into a bathroom stall). But if tweaking his megalomania is her goal, wouldn't it make more sense to name the album Leezus rather than Sheezus? Unless the joke is that she's taking it up a notch by assuming representation of her entire gender as well as messiah-hood?

― da croupier, Sunday, 23 February 2014 15:03 (eleven years ago)

she's saving her gender from scary rap music god i hate her

― dyl, Sunday, 23 February 2014 15:22 (eleven years ago)

more likely she thought it was lolz and would garner publicity

― Scooby Doom (۩), Sunday, 23 February 2014 15:22 (eleven years ago)

Is remy out of jail yet?

― sXe & the banshees (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 23 February 2014 15:26 (eleven years ago)

I think the "she" just sorta brings in the gender aspect, points it out, and it sounds better than "Leezus." either way it's going to inspire a lot of horrible clickbait pieces so it is terrible.

― joe perry has been dead for years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 23 February 2014 15:26 (eleven years ago)

which is what she was after

― Scooby Doom (۩), Sunday, 23 February 2014 15:30 (eleven years ago)

man, I had no idea that "Hard Out Here" actually did well in UK/Australia/etc, or that she'd released another single.

― da croupier, Sunday, 23 February 2014 15:40 (eleven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo9Fja5x04o

recommended if you like ersatz mia, air balloons

― da croupier, Sunday, 23 February 2014 16:05 (eleven years ago)

Well I like it..

Btw, "Nan yr a window shopper" she has form

― Mark G, Sunday, 23 February 2014 16:50 (eleven years ago)

"Hard Out Here" was actually a bit of a flop sales-wise. 9-31-50 is not a typical Lily Allen sort of chart run in the UK (by comparison, "The Fear" spent four weeks at #1 and several more in the top 10). There was nothing special about its success in Australia - she's moderately popular and I would say a hyped new single with lots of controversy should have gone higher than #14.

― oh, boy, .GIF! That's where I'm a Viking! (edwardo), Monday, 24 February 2014 03:36 (eleven years ago)

I think they were expecting it to be a big hit for her but not to worry, I'm sure it'll be referred to as buzz single from now on.

Air Balloon is okay but the fact this will probably be a huge hit and the last Cher Lloyd single got to so little interest in the UK it was cancelled, just doesn't seem right.

― Kitchen Person, Monday, 24 February 2014 05:24 (eleven years ago)

Edwardo, in the US the song didn't even chart so I'm standing by my statesider's surprise at it reaching the Top 10 in European countries (however briefly) and going platinum in Australia.

― da croupier, Monday, 24 February 2014 06:40 (eleven years ago)

There was that other single, that did quite well..

― Mark G, Monday, 24 February 2014 07:45 (eleven years ago)

she's such an embarrassment and it's tremendous to see how easy she's making it for people to point & laugh. pretty obvious by now her heart's not in this comeback - it's not like there were (m)any ideas there to start with but the laziness is pitiful and transparent right now. i assume her many media mates will valiantly try to sustain this campaign but it's just making them all look shit as well.

― lex pretend, Monday, 24 February 2014 08:18 (eleven years ago)

it's funny, ed o wrote this about "hard out here" on the singles jukebox:

The video is just a visual version of Allen’s general MO, refashioning something “bad” or crass with an ironic wink, getting the benefit of its ideas without having to come up with her own, all the while acting as if she’s above her sources’ dubiousness or uncoolness and she’s just having a laugh because she’s better than that.

and she seems totally intent on proving him more and more correct

― lex pretend, Monday, 24 February 2014 08:19 (eleven years ago)

more likely she thought it was lolz and would garner publicity

I'd be surprised if it was any deeper than that tbh

― What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Monday, 24 February 2014 09:53 (eleven years ago)

Actually her PR has seemed a lot more interested in the other clients on the company roster recently (not as much sharing-about on social media as other acts, eg Kylie Minogue).

― baked beings on toast (suzy), Monday, 24 February 2014 10:08 (eleven years ago)

da croupier: spending one week in the top 10 in the UK is not even remotely like being a top 10 hit in the US. One week at #9, then out, that is a big disappointment for an artist of her standing, it's the sort of chart run you might expect from single 3 or 4. Also going platinum in Australia is nothing, you still have to sell 70k like you did 20 years ago, except digital sales are huge (singles used to be about AUD 7-8 except some priced at 4.99, now a digital song sale is one-third of that) and the population is 40% higher, so it's not that impressive (The really really big hits, believe it or not, go like 6-8 times platinum. "Party Rock Anthem" and "Somebody I Used To Know" both have sold over 750,000 copies, for instance, "The Fear" and "Not Fair" shifted about 120k five years ago which makes them about twice as big adjusting for sales inflation.

― oh, boy, .GIF! That's where I'm a Viking! (edwardo), Monday, 24 February 2014 14:44 (eleven years ago)

haha ok i apologize for saying i didn't realize the song did "well" overseas when obv that was far too reductive a statement, slander retracted

― da croupier, Monday, 24 February 2014 15:17 (eleven years ago)

it was just weird seeing that performance called "doing well" when the most notable thing was how gigantic a flop it was

― lex pretend, Monday, 24 February 2014 15:19 (eleven years ago)

i'm honestly surprised the song didn't crack the Hot 100 just on viral trollgaze whatnot

― da croupier, Monday, 24 February 2014 15:23 (eleven years ago)

I accept your apology on behalf of the millions of non-Americans who didn't buy the single either.

― oh, boy, .GIF! That's where I'm a Viking! (edwardo), Monday, 24 February 2014 15:24 (eleven years ago)

Thing is, "Air Baloon" sounds like it will be number one for a couple of weeks, thanks probably due to avoiding all that parody stuff.

― Mark G, Monday, 24 February 2014 18:41 (eleven years ago)

"Hard Out Here" didn't do well in the charts, but as Mark G hinted at it's a bit unrepresentative to compare it to "The Fear" since "The Fear" wasn't released just after another much more successful Lily Allen single. I'm sadly sure that "Hard Out Here" would have done better in the absence of "Somewhere Only We Know" (which had 2 weeks at #1 and I imagine will now have to be a bonus track on the album).

― Iain Mew (if), Monday, 24 February 2014 19:13 (eleven years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiDP8zwIQAAzUZJ.jpg

LOL @ this idiot

― lex pretend, Thursday, 6 March 2014 14:50 (eleven years ago)

Can you imagine talking to her at a party

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 March 2014 14:54 (eleven years ago)

unfortunately that's all too easy

― lex pretend, Thursday, 6 March 2014 14:59 (eleven years ago)

http://smartladieslovestuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/SNL-Cecily-2.gif

― da croupier, Thursday, 6 March 2014 15:05 (eleven years ago)

http://smartladieslovestuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/SNL-Cecily-2.gif

― da croupier, Thursday, 6 March 2014 15:05 (eleven years ago)

haha croup otm

― balls, Thursday, 6 March 2014 16:36 (eleven years ago)

have to admit allen does make me think maybe ppl aren't being too hard on lorde

― balls, Thursday, 6 March 2014 16:38 (eleven years ago)

nobody tell her about redpillers, it will probably turn into a song

― katherine, Thursday, 6 March 2014 17:59 (eleven years ago)

looks like "air balloon" might sell worse than "hard out here" lol

― dyl, Thursday, 6 March 2014 21:41 (eleven years ago)

"lead balloon"

― baked beings on toast (suzy), Thursday, 6 March 2014 22:37 (eleven years ago)

have to admit allen does make me think maybe ppl aren't being too hard on lorde

― balls, Friday, March 7, 2014 3:38 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

from everything i've seen and read about these two women, lorde appears to me to be much more likely to listen to criticism of her work and actively learn from or reject that criticism - the way she has spoken in interviews about "royals" and the conflict she feels about some of the sentiments it supposedly conveys, is evidence of this. whereas allen scans to me as more of an amanda palmer or macklemore type figure, someone in the game for primarily self-aggrandisement, someone who chooses to engage with social issues but whose perspective is too littered with potholes and misfires to be workable.

i am also willing to give lorde a free pass b/c she is still a kid. if she's still writing songs about alienation that inadvertently scan to american audiences as racist at 28 (allen's age), then we should go harder on her.

― pearly-dewdrops' bops (monotony), Friday, 7 March 2014 01:40 (eleven years ago)

one month passes...

new track contains actual couplet "we're all watching gaga / L-O-L and haha"

such a sparkling wit she possesses

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 17:17 (eleven years ago)

but seriously she is the actual worst and why, still, do i see people riding for her, surely it is time for even her fans to be turning away in sheer fucking embarrassment

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 17:18 (eleven years ago)

I will stan for some older Lily Allen, but this go-round confirms she should've stayed retired.

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 17:19 (eleven years ago)

Still like some of that last album (Especially The Fear and Chinese) but this comeback really has not been great at all.

This interview is full of annoying moments

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/lily-allen-talks-motherhood-online-haters-and-her-new-lp-sheezus-20140410

Her pretending Hard Out Here wasn't a single is the strangest part.

You made it clear that you weren't happy with the label over their choice of singles from your album.
It wasn't their fault. I would love "Hard Out Here" to have been a single, but you can't have a song that has the word "bitch" in it 72 times on the radio. It's just not gonna happen.

― Kitchen Person, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 01:04 (eleven years ago)

I'm sure if it had been a hit she'd be referring to it as a single. With this way of thinking that means the Keane cover has been the only actual single from this album so far (even though she's already had four singles from it)

― Kitchen Person, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 01:06 (eleven years ago)

A lot of the stuff I've heard from this new album has had a real "write a poem in Grade 4 English" class vibe to it, where end rhymes always trump a melodious meter or the use of natural expressions.

The newest single with the video of her in the cab with body doubles is probably the best thing I've heard from the project but when that's a bloodless, flimsy imitation of "We Can't Stop" you have to wonder what the point of the comeback is supposed to be.

― all is fair in love and womp (monotony), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 04:40 (eleven years ago)

xpost I don't think it's actually on the album..

― Mark G, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 08:02 (eleven years ago)

But people that are probably less fortunate look at me and think, "Well, she's got everything. She's had everything. It's been handed to her on a silver plate." It's just not true. I've been through some really, really awful things that other people haven't been through.

When I heard that I tried to think of another pop sing in history that talks about periods. I couldn't think of one.
[Laughs] It's groundbreaking! I'm proud of that. It's fucking awesome. I think that "period" is going to be my "surfboard" with Beyoncé. People will wear sweatshirts to my concerts that are just going to say "period."

the ignorance :o

Tell me about the song "URL Badman." What inspired that?
I wrote that after I put out the video for "Hard Out Here" and everyone said I was racist. I was really alarmed by that reaction. I stand by that video and I know what my intention was and I'm sorry that people interpreted it in a different way. A lot of that negative stuff came from females and the feminist blogger scene. What really pissed me off was the misogynistic, hipster, male bloggers that went after me in a completely different way. And I just thought, "Fuck you, I'm going to write a song about you."

lmao the white tears

I do feel like Twitter is melting my brain.
What worries me more is Instagram. We're in the age of the Selfie. It's just encouraging vanity. It's not even representative of anything except how you want people to perceive you. Think of when people are partying and having fun. They're like, "Hey, look at us!" You're obviously not having that much fun because otherwise you wouldn't be stopping to document it. It's stupid.

omg the utterly clichéd technophobia that i've seen a million times before and should definitely not be indulged in by someone who happily is on instagram taking selfies

― lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 08:14 (eleven years ago)

LOL, she's sorry we feel that way. I'm sorry her ex-boyfriends in the media won't countenance other women criticising her, but there you go...

― baked beings on toast (suzy), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 09:11 (eleven years ago)

Glad we have lily allen to take a stand against the vanity. Now who will do something about the intemperance

― PhetamineGrrrn (wins), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 09:58 (eleven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kPQiAJv4fo

― piscesx, Thursday, 24 April 2014 11:49 (eleven years ago)

that was already posted: GTFO rolling worst music of 2014

― lex pretend, Thursday, 24 April 2014 11:57 (eleven years ago)

I'm sorry her ex-boyfriends in the media won't countenance other women criticising her

Who they?

― What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Thursday, 24 April 2014 17:06 (eleven years ago)

that video looks cool and i don't hate the beat or her voice. lyrics are so dumb tho, like really really lazy

― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Thursday, 24 April 2014 18:13 (eleven years ago)

like a linoleum floor

― kinder, Thursday, 24 April 2014 18:16 (eleven years ago)

two months pass...

http://www.nme.com/news/lily-allen/78740

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 23 July 2014 20:50 (eleven years ago)

surely it is mere coincidence that URL Badman has not made the R1 playlist

/url badman

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 23 July 2014 21:00 (eleven years ago)

lol

― dyl, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 22:49 (eleven years ago)

"Maybe the songs aren’t good enough this time, who knows?"

I know. They aren't.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 24 July 2014 00:16 (eleven years ago)

Hang on, R1 gave her a whole hour last night to play whatever she wanted. So is she including herself in this critique?

― Jeff W, Thursday, 24 July 2014 13:46 (eleven years ago)

lol i just noticed what the first song she played in that hour was

"started from the bottom"

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 16:32 (eleven years ago)

three years pass...

wow no shame is impeccable

― brackEt, Saturday, 9 June 2018 23:46 (seven years ago)

its exactly alright still by a 33 yrs old mom

― brackEt, Saturday, 9 June 2018 23:46 (seven years ago)

Sounds like rough draft of a Xgau review

― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Sunday, 10 June 2018 00:24 (seven years ago)

“this summer’s biggest racist”???

― Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 10 June 2018 01:00 (seven years ago)

Thread title was altered when the Sheezus videos came out.

― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 10 June 2018 01:05 (seven years ago)

reluctantly admitting that i'm enjoying a lot of the new album. i guess she's my charlie puth of 2018

― monotony, Sunday, 10 June 2018 07:08 (seven years ago)

I guess I should check this out since Piers Morgan is a hater on the basis that my enemy’s enemy is my friend.

― Dan Worsley, Sunday, 10 June 2018 10:13 (seven years ago)

This album is actually really good. And I thought I detested her. Lolz on me.

― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Sunday, 10 June 2018 10:32 (seven years ago)

track one = best thing she's ever done.

― piscesx, Sunday, 10 June 2018 11:31 (seven years ago)

it was the "hard out here" video that precipitated the title change i think

― dyl, Sunday, 10 June 2018 12:58 (seven years ago)

Yeah, I think it should be changed back - there's worse than that out there these days

― Mark G, Sunday, 10 June 2018 13:42 (seven years ago)

as opposed to 2013, when Lily Allen was the worst racist in the entire world

― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Sunday, 10 June 2018 14:04 (seven years ago)

It was "biggest hit" originally. Move on rather than back? This summers biggest bid for career rehab?
A side-poll is probably required.

― Jeff W, Sunday, 10 June 2018 14:11 (seven years ago)

Thread title always makes me chuckle.

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 10 June 2018 15:20 (seven years ago)

it was the "hard out here" video that precipitated the title change i think

― dyl, Sunday, 10 June 2018 13:58 (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lets not forget her tweeting a photo of cock dressed up like a golliwog to azealia banks

― devvvine, Sunday, 10 June 2018 15:24 (seven years ago)

Seems weird for a mod to editorially change a thread title like that (if only for how it changes the context of the original posts, etc.); but I’ll assume that fight has been fought

― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Sunday, 10 June 2018 15:42 (seven years ago)

Most Improved Racist 2018

― U. K. Le Garage (wins), Sunday, 10 June 2018 15:50 (seven years ago)

She gave a really good interview on, of all places, Seth Meyers' Late Night show podcast, and got into the Sheezus era a little bit and how she was flailing and unsure of herself and was basically making choices based on committee approval. It doesn't excuse some things, of course, but it does answer some questions.

― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 10 June 2018 16:00 (seven years ago)

I hope this thread doesn't force me into thinking I need to listen to a Lily Allen song.

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 10 June 2018 16:26 (seven years ago)

STOP CHANGING THREAD TITLES.

― Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 10 June 2018 17:19 (seven years ago)

STOP CHANGING THREAD TITLES.
― Mr. Snrub

co-sign.

― mark e, Sunday, 10 June 2018 17:20 (seven years ago)

Counterpoint: change all the thread titles every day

― GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Sunday, 10 June 2018 19:01 (seven years ago)

some of the tunes here are really nice

i do find it EXTREMELY ODD that for a hot moment lily allen was felt to be somehow vital and on the pulse of things

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 14 June 2018 21:29 (seven years ago)

Oh come on in 2006-07 she was bang in the middle of the British zeitgeist (read - was regularly in the Hawley Arms).

― Matt DC, Thursday, 14 June 2018 21:47 (seven years ago)

lol i know i'm not questioning it! i was there! it felt right! it also now seems EXTREMELY ODD!

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 14 June 2018 21:54 (seven years ago)

Her new album is shockingly great. Family Man, Come On, Three and Everything To Feel Something are all devastating.

― kitchen person, Saturday, 16 June 2018 19:12 (seven years ago)

three years pass...

the list is huge

― brimstead, Friday, 18 February 2022 05:15 (three years ago)

What list?

Out of the loop.

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 18 February 2022 07:53 (three years ago)

She’s always seemed super obnoxious in every interview I’ve seen of her.

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 18 February 2022 07:55 (three years ago)

Wait, what’s the context on this thread title?

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 18 February 2022 08:07 (three years ago)

it was changed over the years when she said something racist I guess. Originally "biggest hit" iirc

― StanM, Friday, 18 February 2022 08:09 (three years ago)

Cruel to revive this in February imo.

― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 18 February 2022 10:35 (three years ago)

which list? why February? wth is going on? lol

― StanM, Friday, 18 February 2022 10:58 (three years ago)

Hmm, it took years for the Morrissey thread to get renamed, whereas this one was as swiftasyerlike.

― Mark G, Friday, 18 February 2022 11:02 (three years ago)

two years pass...

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/article/2024/jul/03/sole-trader-why-is-lily-allen-selling-feet-pics-on-onlyfans

― StanM, Wednesday, 3 July 2024 18:01 (one year ago)

There has to be more to the story.

not really

― bae (sic), Wednesday, 3 July 2024 18:38 (one year ago)

Good for her?

― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 3 July 2024 19:12 (one year ago)

I still laugh at the title every time this thread is revived

― Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Wednesday, 3 July 2024 19:17 (one year ago)

pls change thread title to 'Lily Allen - This summers biggest foot fetishist'.

― Dan Worsley, Wednesday, 3 July 2024 19:21 (one year ago)

She's got the feet.

― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 3 July 2024 19:30 (one year ago)

I was recently surprised to learn that she is married to Stranger Things' David Harbour

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 3 July 2024 19:43 (one year ago)

“It’s hard out here” was actually about her corns

― subpost master (wins), Wednesday, 3 July 2024 19:51 (one year ago)

I was recently surprised to learn that she is married to Stranger Things' David Harbour

I learned this because of an AD video about their ugly townhouse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEXXe9Ef_R8

― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 3 July 2024 20:59 (one year ago)

yuck

― budo jeru, Wednesday, 3 July 2024 22:07 (one year ago)

one year passes...

new album is a confessional post-mortem on her marriage. is pretty good? I haven't listened to anything she's done since LDN I don't think.

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Saturday, 25 October 2025 06:16 (one week ago)

This new album is a good illustration of why it can be hugely damaging for ILX moderators to permanently alter the words and intents of community members.

― fall of the house of urrsher (sic), Saturday, 25 October 2025 08:00 (one week ago)

(Not a criticism of the current two moderators, who deserve salaried roles for the amount of bullshit they regularly have to deal with; but a sincere position restated for the nth time in the face of a signal example.)

― fall of the house of urrsher (sic), Saturday, 25 October 2025 08:03 (one week ago)

I can't believe notable ilm poster e-clex said she was racist

― mh, Sunday, 26 October 2025 20:40 (one week ago)

i have doubts that e-clex's myspace is going to take off

― treeship., Sunday, 26 October 2025 21:38 (one week ago)

Still time to change it to “David Harbour: a few summers ago’s least fidelious husband?” I s’pose

― fall of the house of urrsher (sic), Monday, 27 October 2025 01:39 (one week ago)

The perpetual return of Lily Allen is quite disheartening.

― whimsical skeedaddler (Moodles), Monday, 27 October 2025 01:55 (one week ago)

Tennis/Madeline is a fucking incredible 5-or-so minutes.
Somehow as good as everyone is saying it is.

― piscesx, Monday, 27 October 2025 18:14 (one week ago)

I spent the whole album alternating between gasping and grinning. so many great melodies. astonishing production, too.

― KevRus, Monday, 27 October 2025 19:31 (one week ago)

good timing to get this out right before the final seasons of Stranger Things

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 27 October 2025 22:59 (one week ago)

Yeah, this album is quite something. I really didn't want to miss a single lyric on here when I listened to it for the first time.

― kitchen person, Tuesday, 28 October 2025 00:36 (one week ago)

The lyric writing is so concise and crafted that the repeat choruses often undermine the effect. She could have pinkpantheressed it, let each sketch hit, then move on to the next vignette. They’re so contained in their construction that the overall effect accreting, as another facet turns to the reader, doesn’t need the breather / pause for reflection

― fall of the house of urrsher (sic), Tuesday, 28 October 2025 03:48 (one week ago)

I love this. Lily Allen always does her own best backing vocals and the production/arrangements are terrific— this kind of widescreen fun-production is the best suit for such lyrical content

― mixed martial farts (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 30 October 2025 22:29 (one week ago)

This album reminds me more than a little of those videos about like railway technology where the script is done as a singsongy AI pop song, except in this case it’s Lily Allen autofiction

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 31 October 2025 13:05 (one week ago)

20 years ago, I was not paying attention when she made her entrance into pop music, but I noticed when listening to her shit 10 year ago that she resembled R Kelly in her ability to shape the vernacular into lyric form, a practice which still isn't at all common. She certainly does just so on this record…

is there an animus towards her on the part of english people? please help us unpack this, english ilxors…

― veronica moser, Friday, 31 October 2025 14:34 (one week ago)

Lily tweeted a picture of her boyfriend's penis dressed up as a golliwog as part of an argument with a black person.

― boxedjoy, Friday, 31 October 2025 14:42 (one week ago)

That's a fine bit of unpacking there.

― Webinar in Wetherspoons (Tom D.), Friday, 31 October 2025 15:11 (one week ago)

it's not every day that I am condescended to by the likes of someone I admire as much as the creator of the Boaby Chronicles! Cheers!

― veronica moser, Friday, 31 October 2025 17:48 (one week ago)

Was that condescending? Sorry!

― Webinar in Wetherspoons (Tom D.), Friday, 31 October 2025 18:14 (one week ago)

townhouse on the market for $8 mil:

https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/lily-allen-and-david-harbour-list-maximalist-brooklyn-brownstone

― bulb after bulb, Friday, 31 October 2025 18:22 (one week ago)

8 mil and another one to undo that monstrosity

― Lady Sovereign (Citizen) (milo z), Friday, 31 October 2025 19:19 (one week ago)

I assume it wasn’t David Harbour’s penis doing a racist bit?

― Lady Sovereign (Citizen) (milo z), Friday, 31 October 2025 19:22 (one week ago)

is there an animus towards her on the part of english people? please help us unpack this, english ilxors…

Her father sang "Vindaloo", step-father was TV's beloved "Loadsamoney" character, mother produced "Saving Mr Banks". Definitely no animus there.

― business, Friday, 31 October 2025 21:08 (one week ago)

XP Stranger Things indeed!

― Lithium Just Madison (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 31 October 2025 22:05 (one week ago)

This album is very well executed.

― treeship 2, Saturday, 1 November 2025 02:02 (six days ago)

Those steel drums low in the mix in the outro of pussy palace.

― treeship 2, Saturday, 1 November 2025 02:06 (six days ago)

So that extremely disconcerting AD Open Door video was kind of a preview of this album. This is very sophisticated marketing.

Their townhouse looks to be one neighborhood away from my neighborhood. I should go down there and make them a lower offer.

― Josefa, Saturday, 1 November 2025 02:28 (six days ago)

Hundreds of trojans / you’re so fucking broken

― treeship 2, Saturday, 1 November 2025 02:42 (six days ago)

I wonder what the village apartment is listed for

― mixed martial farts (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 1 November 2025 02:54 (six days ago)

step-father was TV's beloved "Loadsamoney"

Wow, did not know that.

― Dan Worsley, Saturday, 1 November 2025 09:06 (six days ago)

The discourse around this album on reddit is really stupid. Many people trying to legislate the morality without appreciating the human story at the heart of the album. A lot of comments like, “well she cheated on her first husband so I don’t feel bad for her,” as if the point is to take sides.

― treeship 2, Saturday, 1 November 2025 14:02 (six days ago)

The point of internet fandom is totally to take sides tho

― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 1 November 2025 14:15 (six days ago)

The monologue at the end of the title track…. Man

― Clever Message Board User Name (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 1 November 2025 14:22 (six days ago)

The discourse around this album on reddit is really stupid.

Did you tell them what the discourse is like on here?

― fall of the house of urrsher (sic), Saturday, 1 November 2025 17:01 (six days ago)

I only lurk on reddit

― treeship 2, Saturday, 1 November 2025 17:05 (six days ago)

discourse around any creative things on reddit is fucking stupid IME. want the worst takes on albums, films, books? look there.

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Saturday, 1 November 2025 17:42 (six days ago)

I like reading Reddit from time to time. My ish with it was that the iOS app version kept sending me notifications for the most infuriating items, like it was beyond “click bait”, it seemed deliberately designed to ruin my day

― mixed martial farts (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 1 November 2025 17:49 (six days ago)

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