Taking Sides: Ireland V Scotland; which has the worst bands?

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I suppose there have been good bands from each, but there's an enormous amount of shite also; certainly, Manchester or Liverpool have beeen way more productive than either of these two whole countries. Discuss. ( Or, does Simple Minds, Love and Money and Deacon Blue = one U2, or they just win by been the so big and so bad?)

― sonofstan (sonofstan), Monday, 4 September 2006 20:47 (eighteen years ago)

Ireland. And Simple Minds are good.

― jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Monday, 4 September 2006 20:51 (eighteen years ago)

Manchester and Liverpool have dished up the shoite too.

Ireland win for Microdisney.

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 20:51 (eighteen years ago)

And Enya.

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 20:51 (eighteen years ago)

ireland has far worse bands (and a lot of really bad, earnest folk music). scotland were srsly on a roll in the '80s, although less so now.

― el borracho (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 4 September 2006 20:51 (eighteen years ago)

Taking Sides: England V the US; they produced the odd good band.

At least we can all agree that The Alarm + Stereophonics = LOSE

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 20:54 (eighteen years ago)

B'witched, anyone?

ENGLAND VS US NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO although OTM about the Stereophonics.

― Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Monday, 4 September 2006 20:55 (eighteen years ago)

although pointing out that the Stereophonics suxxxor = the cheapest OTM I've yet seen on ILX

― Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Monday, 4 September 2006 20:58 (eighteen years ago)

Del Amitri vs Boomtown Rats, Scotland wins.

― zeus (zeus), Monday, 4 September 2006 20:59 (eighteen years ago)

When does Dadaismus come in and say Sensational Alex Harvey Band pisses all over Manchester and Liverpool?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:01 (eighteen years ago)

Alex Harvey pissed all over a lot of places.

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:01 (eighteen years ago)

Thin Lizzy vs Sensational Alex Harvey Band.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:02 (eighteen years ago)

Enya > Sigur Ros

in fact I think she gave birth to them all

― bad hair day house (fandango), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:03 (eighteen years ago)

And even then Brian Robertson was in Lizzy.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:03 (eighteen years ago)

Sigur Ros aren't Scottish.

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:03 (eighteen years ago)

What exactly is wrong with Simple Minds??

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 4 September 2006 21:03 (eighteen years ago)

irish pop music is absolutely dreadful, i can barely think of anything i've enjoyed from home shores the last few years. that may seem like too much of a blanket statement, but there really is a tendency towards the monochrome among irish bands, and it infuses almost everyting. i remember thinking that the first single off the thrills' second album was my favourite exception, and the rest of the thrills' stuff was utterly dullsville, but that tune really did it for me. that's one good piece of recent irish pop music i can think of.

scotland? i think they do certain things pretty well. i would not get excited about scottish music, but there's been several bits and pieces i've enjoyed.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:03 (eighteen years ago)

Hows about Hull Vs Lanarkshire, jim?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:04 (eighteen years ago)

My Bloody Valentine

― bad hair day house (fandango), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:04 (eighteen years ago)

We have The Puddingtons, ergo We Lose.

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:05 (eighteen years ago)

oh wait this thread was only looking for the bad stuff? sorry, i misread it. i don't have time to list off all the crap irish music i've heard, but the frames deserve a big shout.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:05 (eighteen years ago)

Del Amitri vs Boomtown Rats, Scotland wins.

just making sure .... do people understand that 'winning' here means being the worst?

― sonofstan (sonofstan), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:05 (eighteen years ago)

Fila Brazilia = we fight on

― bad hair day house (fandango), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:06 (eighteen years ago)

Also The Gargoyles. And Hub. And the first 3 Beautiful South albums.

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:07 (eighteen years ago)

I'm leaving this thread alone before I say something horribly offensive about The Pogues and their God-awful, faux-Oirish, samey claptrap, the musical equivalent of an O'Neils chain pub. Oh, dang it...

― Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:08 (eighteen years ago)

jim are you going to that Theremin thing in a couple of weeks?

― bad hair day house (fandango), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:08 (eighteen years ago)

Oh i misread it too. No way are thin lizzy and sensational alex harvey band shite.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:09 (eighteen years ago)

The Pouges are great you loon

― bad hair day house (fandango), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:09 (eighteen years ago)

The Pastels, Orange Juice, Aztec Camera, early Mongwai, Arab Strap, MOMUS! etc. we pretty much have losing the being the worst contest in the bag.

― jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:09 (eighteen years ago)

Mongwai lol

― bad hair day house (fandango), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:09 (eighteen years ago)

multi xposts

I've been thinking about it. Isn't it this week? Patricia somebody?

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:10 (eighteen years ago)

Mongwai was actually deliberate!

― jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:10 (eighteen years ago)

Jim, I take your The Puddingtons and raise you with G.U.N.(or their hair metal GUN days, whichever you deem worst)

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:10 (eighteen years ago)

xpost - does your email work btw? have tried to get in touch

it's http://www.myspace.com/pameliakurstin (from the moog documentary!)

― bad hair day house (fandango), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:12 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah just looked it up. I'm down with this if our lass isn't going out, I'll check me hotmail (it works but I'm slack at checking it.)

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:14 (eighteen years ago)

Thats not true. You emailed me back 3 months later once.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:16 (eighteen years ago)

Louis, you have never heard the Pogues in your life, have you?

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:16 (eighteen years ago)

CORRECTION: I was treated to their entire Greatest Hits in the car YESTERDAY, by my mum, who's a fan. I didn't miss it when it was over, hence my posting here. Although I still clearly know nothing about punk, so I have an excuse to sound ignorant on the issue.

Some of my words may have been a slight exaggeration, as well. :p

― Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:19 (eighteen years ago)

xxpost LOL This is true

I can't see an email from you fand, either it got junk mailed or I've deleted it whilst pissed. Try noodlevague@googleFUCKOFFSPAMBOTSmail.com, I read that more often. I'm defnitely up for the gig, anyway.

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:20 (eighteen years ago)

ok :)

― bad hair day house (fandango), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:23 (eighteen years ago)

The Pogues are cool merely by association with Kirsty MacColl.

― bad hair day house (fandango), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:23 (eighteen years ago)

The Pogues is cool full stop. Louis, get "The Old Main Drag", get drunk, listen to it on a loop. It's Enlightenment or Bust.

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:25 (eighteen years ago)

Who said anything about cool? Get one copy of Red Roses for Me and listen to it properly.

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:27 (eighteen years ago)

Kirsty MacColl, eh? *refrains from making some gag involving Steve Irwin and the dangers that lurk in the sea*

Noodle Vague, admittedly the stuff on this 'Best Of' did sound as if it might be a little more subdued than their punky beginnings, and I did kinda like Rum, Sodomy And The Lash when I heard it at a very early age (we've kinda lost the cassette since then), but the stuff playing on our car stereo yesterday was puuuure bilge. Might follow your advice (or find RSATL) though.

― Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:27 (eighteen years ago)

I think it's easy to mistake the Pogues for one of the foixrish bands that've come after them, but there's a big deep wide talented difference.

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:30 (eighteen years ago)

I've listened to Never Mind The Bollocks again, btw. It's actually quite good, not wholly my style, but no dismissing it offhand ever again. 'Bodies' is grate! :)

You know what music I mean when I compare them to an O'Neils pub, though!

― Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:31 (eighteen years ago)

Does Scotland win the worst award if I mention Sandi Thom, KT Tunstall and that "punk" band Tippy is in?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:32 (eighteen years ago)

Manchester or Liverpool have beeen way more productive than either of these two whole countries -ouch! That's a bit harsh no?

Pogues are genius, if you don't understand that you're a fool.

Texas = Scotland wins.

― lexurian (lexurian), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:32 (eighteen years ago)

PAOLO NUTINI WINS IT FOR THE CALEDONIANS, actually.

― Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:33 (eighteen years ago)

I wish i was a bread-maker with flour in my hair.

Sandi Thom is the Doomsday Weapon of this debate.

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:34 (eighteen years ago)

AKshully she's still not as shit as Katie Fucking Kahlua. She's Polish or sump'n isn't she? Her country for the win.

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:34 (eighteen years ago)

KT Tunstall does push the envelope somewhat. Especially for performing with "This machine kills fascists" on her guitar. Although thankfully she didn't give a rendition of "this land is your land".

A girl once told me I looked like Nutini :(

― jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:35 (eighteen years ago)

can I butt in again just to say the Pogues aren't Irish in the sense of being 'from Ireland' which is what i was looking for

― sonofstan (sonofstan), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:36 (eighteen years ago)

THIS MACHINE KILLS FACISTS

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:36 (eighteen years ago)

This is the worst thread ever. (actually, it's not, but it's kind of rubbish, but in a fascinating "what nonsense will someone say next" kind of way).

Paolo Nutini's parents have a nice chipshop from where I often partake of a late-night post-pub snack.

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:38 (eighteen years ago)

Glasgow is the epicentre of bland, for some reason, but... Boyzone, Westlife, Bewitched. It's sooo difficult.

― lexurian (lexurian), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:38 (eighteen years ago)

I've still never heard Sandi Thom!

― bad hair day house (fandango), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:39 (eighteen years ago)

"ireland has far worse bands (and a lot of really bad, earnest folk music)"

aw, jbr, you make me sad, there was a ton of great folk music in ireland in the late 60s & 70s

scotland does have much better pop/rock bands

― timmy tannin (pompous), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:39 (eighteen years ago)

Re: Pogues, I didn't seriously consider them as a 'worst Irish band', but I didn't like what I heard particularly, and saw this as a rather neat opportunity to get this off my chest/wind a few folk up/discover that they're actually REALLY GOOD and which records of theirs I should listen to.

In fact, every stupid comment I make here is just a way of getting great tips! ;-)

― Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:39 (eighteen years ago)

I hardly think Mr Nutini's chippy lets his son off for being shit, ails.

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:40 (eighteen years ago)

Anyone wanna defend The Almighty?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:42 (eighteen years ago)

I saw Nutini's single on The Hits (don't ask, it's amazing what Freeview can do) a month or so ago and it was actually the single blandest, vaguest, most moronic piece of music I'd ever heard. Everything about Nutini deserves the utmost, utmost contempt, most of all the fact he has a recording contract.

― Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:43 (eighteen years ago)

Danny Wilson anybody?

― lexurian (lexurian), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:45 (eighteen years ago)

Do The Waterboys score for both countries?

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:46 (eighteen years ago)

I liked some Waterboys, so no. And dont mention Big Country either, I liked some of their singles.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:49 (eighteen years ago)

I like them both too, but Mike Scott's need to be Irish always made me chuckle.

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:50 (eighteen years ago)

There was a scottish girl group a few years back, but since I've never heard them I don't suppose I can really count them. Lemonscent or something they were called.

Speedway(i think they were called that) were shite.

Harry was abysmal. She covered some 80s song. It was used in an advert. Her label spent a fortune trying to promote her to the Kerrang crowd. They failed :)

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:57 (eighteen years ago)

I am playing Scotland's Joker that, as it transcends good and bad thus renders this contest null and void:

http://www.galwayartsfestival.com/files/programme/418_THE-PROCLAIMERS-2003.jpg

― lexurian (lexurian), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:57 (eighteen years ago)

Nothing wrong with Letter From America or 500 miles.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:58 (eighteen years ago)

T/S: The Corrs vs Texas

(at least Texas did that crazy shonky version of "Say What You Want" with Method Man)

xxpost The Proclaimers FUCKING RULE

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago)

Ah, 500 Miles, the song that my mother bought the Benny And Joon soundtrack for.

Hmm.

Maybe she was right along, about everything. Even Van Morrison. Even Tom Petty.

Nah.

― Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Monday, 4 September 2006 22:01 (eighteen years ago)

That pic should've been Hue and Cry, who despite making some good records have faces that radiate enough smug to be picked up from the Andromeda galaxy.

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 22:01 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe she was right along, about everything. Even Van Morrison. Even Tom Petty.

No, I'm guessing she was right.

― jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Monday, 4 September 2006 22:02 (eighteen years ago)

Exactly my point, a country capable of producing The Proclaimers are excused any and all musical faux pas subsequently there to.

― lexurian (lexurian), Monday, 4 September 2006 22:02 (eighteen years ago)

oh for fuck sake Louis, come back when you start shiteing solid. Honest to god.

I'm going to make a risky assertion that Snow Patrol is the responsibility of both Ireland and Scotland. Bastard offspring of the two. Other than that does Scotland have nice sectarian hatred bands? Like The Wolfe Tones? Does Scotland have hit songs about claiming Rockall as a matter of national pride?

Also.. Joe Dolan and the beloved Showbands.

― Major Alfonso (Major Alfonso), Monday, 4 September 2006 22:55 (eighteen years ago)

"I heard it YESTERDAY. My mother played it."

ilm ^^^ Are you proud?

― Major Alfonso (Major Alfonso), Monday, 4 September 2006 22:56 (eighteen years ago)

I still have no idea what dude is doing wrong that I haven't done at at least one point here!

― bad hair day house (fandango), Monday, 4 September 2006 22:58 (eighteen years ago)

The Proclaimers weren't above getting the sectarian boot in. Wee Free Kings too, if I remember right?

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 22:59 (eighteen years ago)

The Proclaimers eh?

http://www.capitalceltic.com/images/liveingalway.jpg

― Major Alfonso (Major Alfonso), Monday, 4 September 2006 23:00 (eighteen years ago)

...The Wolfe Tones?
The Wolf Tones are very popular here. Certain people I went to school with only listened to rebel songs. I'm sure we have our own half-baked Wolf Tones copyists.

― jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Monday, 4 September 2006 23:01 (eighteen years ago)

No doubt. And yes they were/are very popular here.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 4 September 2006 23:03 (eighteen years ago)

Certain people I went to school with only wore celtic jersies.

Our common shame

― Major Alfonso (Major Alfonso), Monday, 4 September 2006 23:03 (eighteen years ago)

And don't confuse them with Wolfstone.

And noone has even mentioned Runrig yet. But they geta free pass for "Dance Call America" which is ace. (i know all their late 80s/early 90s stuff as my dad liked them for a spell)
Actually that live album wasn't that bad to be honest.

x-post
Certain people I went to school with only wore celtic jersies.

That was my school(s) too. except the teachers banned celtic colours(rangers too but there was about 2 rangers supporters that i knew of)

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 4 September 2006 23:06 (eighteen years ago)

Whatever happened to Beltane Fire?

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 23:07 (eighteen years ago)

Who remembers The River Detectives? I think they win the worst band award as they're Motherwell supporters :)

Oh and now i'm reminded of THE SILENCERS.(From Airdrie).

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 4 September 2006 23:11 (eighteen years ago)

Slide were shite too. As were Love And Money.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 4 September 2006 23:12 (eighteen years ago)

Why isn't There A Thread For Scotlands Top Music Journalist ..... BILLY SLOAN?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 4 September 2006 23:13 (eighteen years ago)

Our friend the Celtic-wearing sectarian rioter. They were singing Wolfe Tone songs, lovely group of fans altogether:

http://static.flickr.com/80/234383105_ae3fa10b7c_o.jpg

They didn't like my camera.

Irish trad's better than Scottish. There's a bald statement I won't be single defense for...

― Major Alfonso (Major Alfonso), Monday, 4 September 2006 23:17 (eighteen years ago)

*mount a single defense for

― Major Alfonso (Major Alfonso), Monday, 4 September 2006 23:17 (eighteen years ago)

Major A,

I only said it to get a response. I posted my Pogues diss as a means of expressing my displeasure at my initial (well, initial recent) Pogues experience, and knew that I'd get a right load of people suggesting new and enhanced ways of 'getting' them. Please, don't take it personally. The fact that I chose this thread was purely due to the coincidental fact that I found it now, just after that experience. I do not and never will mean to propose that the Pogues are amongst the worst groups from Ireland.

― Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Monday, 4 September 2006 23:20 (eighteen years ago)

Aww, this thread's breaking my heart. I love so much Scottish music. Even some of the shit stuff's genius.

― lexurian (lexurian), Monday, 4 September 2006 23:23 (eighteen years ago)

Taking sides Foster & Allen vs The Fureys(and Davey Arthur who is scottish)
The Dubliners vs The Chieftans
The Corries vs Hamish Imlach.

Brendan Shine against ...oh fuck it whoever he's up against is gonna win, eh?
Oh wait Daniel O'Donnell. Brendan wins by KO.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 4 September 2006 23:25 (eighteen years ago)

xxpostLouis for fuck's sake! I'm a grouchy bastard, ignore me.
Buíochas leat a leaid óg.

Yeah well done, Daniel O'Donnell's album Blue Jeans, my personal soundtrack to hell.

Brendan Shine, Foster & Allen... you're making me cry...

― Major Alfonso (Major Alfonso), Monday, 4 September 2006 23:30 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/bobhope/images/vcvg26.jpg

― lexurian (lexurian), Monday, 4 September 2006 23:31 (eighteen years ago)

My Mother-in-law's got about a million Daniel O'D videos.

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 23:32 (eighteen years ago)

xpost is that Harry Lauder?

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Monday, 4 September 2006 23:32 (eighteen years ago)

Aye laddie.

― lexurian (lexurian), Monday, 4 September 2006 23:33 (eighteen years ago)

My mother's music clearly > your mother in law's music. :p

― Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Monday, 4 September 2006 23:33 (eighteen years ago)

Events

Now booking 10th anniversary Aon Focal Eile Tour
15th March to 15th August 2006

http://www.richiekavanagh.ie/Sleeves/Aonfocal150.jpg

RICHIE KAVANAGH! Thread is OVER!

Top 30 Singles

Title: AON FOCAL EILE

Artist: RICHIE KAVANAGH

Label:FOCAL RECORDS

Date of entry: 07.03.1996

Highest Placement: no 1 for 7 weeks

Weeks in the Charts: 27

Year: 1996

― Major Alfonso (Major Alfonso), Monday, 4 September 2006 23:36 (eighteen years ago)

Richie Kavangh's Web site

Listen to and watch the Chicken Talk video. And weep.

― Major Alfonso (Major Alfonso), Monday, 4 September 2006 23:39 (eighteen years ago)

I knew he was gonna show up.

anyway Brendan Shine, Foster & Allen... you're making me cry...

My dad has all that shite. Though I havent heard him play it in a long time(apart from Foster & Allen, he does buy them) But in the 80s my 2 grans loved it too. So it was inescapable. None of them had irish blood though. My mums dad was from NI and she was the one who didnt like it much hehe. Tho i think she did like brendan shine. At least his songs had some life in them. Daniel O ARGH.

I should go and look through their old lps for some horrible irish and scottish stuff. But I wont. Loads of irish folk compilations "as advertised on tv" and dodgy country and western. and of courses My mums fave, wales's own Shirley Bassey.

I will say one thing though. The Fureys version of "Green Fields Of France" is one of the best songs ever.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 4 September 2006 23:40 (eighteen years ago)

U2 have never been a shit band (not even around the admittedly shitty "Rattle And Hum").

And anyway, Ireland will have a hard time competing against The Proclaimers.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 09:25 (eighteen years ago)

On the other hand, Ireland have never been able to come up with something as great as Aztec Camera, but I guess that is irrelevant in this thread.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 09:26 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.mightycrusaders.net/images/continuity/crazy_man_1_1.jpg

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 09:29 (eighteen years ago)

I only said it to get a response.

Christ.

Regarding the debate: B*withched, Boyzone, Westlife, Louis Walsh in General, The Thrills, The Frames, our attempts at hip hop in general, U2, Snow Patrol, The Revs, that gobshite who did the Maniac on the dancefloor remix etc etc etc. I'm sorry, so very sorry.

That said: Belle and Sebastian. Not much to redress the balance but it's a start.

― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 09:52 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.mightycrusaders.net/images/continuity/crazy_man_1_1.jpg

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 09:54 (eighteen years ago)

O RLY?

― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 10:24 (eighteen years ago)

Louis Walsh Vs Tam Paton.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 10:24 (eighteen years ago)

Belle and Sebastian are our greatest living band FACT

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 10:24 (eighteen years ago)

OPINION

*checks thread for mentions of Associates and Cocteau Twins, finds none so adds them duly*

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 10:31 (eighteen years ago)

I think it's meant to be about bad bands tho.

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 10:32 (eighteen years ago)

WALES WITH THE LATE WINNER

http://www.skysportsdvdshop.co.uk/catalog/images/GUDVD5719.jpg

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 10:34 (eighteen years ago)

NOT SO FAST

http://www.paviliontheatre.co.uk/showHTML/shows_2006/images/sidneydevine.jpg

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 10:39 (eighteen years ago)

Belle and Sebastian are our greatest living band FACT

Better check yourself foo'

― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:30 (eighteen years ago)

Now Stuart Murdoch's swearing they're like Gangsta Twee.

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:34 (eighteen years ago)

(xpost) Sorry, to clarify: I like Camera Obscura more just cos they were like brilliant live when I saw them.

Gangsta Twee? The mind boggles...

― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:36 (eighteen years ago)

Ice Cub

― Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:44 (eighteen years ago)

*checks thread for mentions of Associates and Cocteau Twins, finds none so adds them duly*

I thought Marcello likes those bands.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:45 (eighteen years ago)

Scotland: Why Is It So Musically Inept?/Why has Nothing Good Musically Come From A Nation 10 X the Size Of Manchester/.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:46 (eighteen years ago)

I was thicko and didn't realise it was about crap Celtic bands per se (have Runrig made an appearance yet?).

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:49 (eighteen years ago)

Del Amitri vs Boomtown Rats, Scotland wins.
just making sure .... do people understand that 'winning' here means being the worst?
-- sonofstan (stanerraugh...), September 4th, 2006.

Of course I know!

― zeus (zeus), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:12 (eighteen years ago)

Keep taking the piss out of Runrig, I'm hoping this thread'll draw some World Class Googlers.

― I Supersize Disaster (noodle vague), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:13 (eighteen years ago)

Aye.
Capercaille hadn't. They can't beat Enya/Clannad though.
x-posts

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:13 (eighteen years ago)

Glasgow is the epicentre of bland

I know I'm quoting myself, but can someone tell me why this should be so? For a city that prides itself on its faux celtic macho image, why is it a veritble production line of world-class blandosaurs. As soon as one fades another pops up, thus; (taking a random staring point) Deacon Blue begat Wet wet wet begat Texas begat Nutini etc etc. It's pure no fair by the way big man.

― lexurian (lexurian), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

Because of the bifurcation in the '80s of Scottish musicians' obsession with America, which can be divided into two camps:

(a) the bohemian dropout half who wanted to be Lou Reed - Orange Juice, Pastels, Mary Chain;
(b) the upwardly mobile urban half who wanted to be Sinatra, hey lookit those skyscrapers! - Wets, Hue & Cry, Deacon.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 13:25 (eighteen years ago)

Some of us wanted to be Franz Kafka, but even Kafka dreamed of Amerika.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:03 (eighteen years ago)

Kafka dreamt?

Jesus wept.

― Major Alfonso (Major Alfonso), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:22 (eighteen years ago)

I still haven't heard this Nutini guy. Am I lucky?

I was hoping the irish contingent were going to remind me of some classic irish music a la Brendan Shine and the like.
The Fureys played Hamilton actually about 10 years ago. My mate and I were tempted to go hehe. My parents saw them in Glasgow a few years later but there seemed to have been some falling out and a few members weren't there. The only one i can remember the name of was Finbar.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:41 (eighteen years ago)

No, Nutini is required listening for everyone who cares about music. Only when we comprehend the enormity of our foe do we know what we have to do, and how soon to do it.

― Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:44 (eighteen years ago)

Finbar Furey's yer only man. There's nothing wrong with the Furey's though. They're no plastic paddies or anything. They're tinkers from Ballyfermot.

What about Luke Kelly?
"Onnnnn Raahh GLAnn RO-UDD"

Afro Celt Sound System - Crusty Dance / Trad you can take drugs too

― Major Alfonso (Major Alfonso), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:51 (eighteen years ago)

Ireland can win for bands but I sense Scotland has the better clubs?

― bad hair day house (fandango), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago)

Hang on, if people are invoking granny-friendly cabaret like Brendan Shine and Foster & Allan, then Scotland has Fran & Anna. And the Alexander Brothers. Do we win yet?

The Dubliners vs The Chieftans
The Corries vs Hamish Imlach.

Are you slagging these people off?

I like, or at least don't dislike, far too many bands mentioned here.

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 22:01 (eighteen years ago)

Why do so many Irish bands go on and on about ... being Irish?

― Hot Hot Heat (Hot Hot Heat), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 22:05 (eighteen years ago)

(i know all their late 80s/early 90s stuff as my dad liked them for a spell)

Worst excuse ever! Or were you tethered to him for a number of years or something?

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 22:05 (eighteen years ago)

xposts but no ailsa. I wasn't slagging any of them you mentioned.

And as for runrig, it was not possible to avoid them as he played them in the car constantly.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 22:08 (eighteen years ago)

Kafka dreamed so much he never finished Amerika

― whatever (boglogger), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 22:13 (eighteen years ago)

http://rateyourmusic.com/album_images/s72139.jpg

http://rateyourmusic.com/album_images/s146402.jpg

dear god I couldn't even remember their name last night... ugh

― bad hair day house (fandango), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 22:15 (eighteen years ago)

"The Corries vs Hamish Imlach"

Neither are Irish. Both are good. What's your point?

― everything (everything), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 02:30 (eighteen years ago)

I never said they were irish.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 23:25 (eighteen years ago)

Scotland has Silly Wizard, which counts for something I guess.

― bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 23:32 (eighteen years ago)

Kerr, don't you understand that listing one act v another act on a thread about "one thing v another thing, which is most shite?" might lead people to think that you are listing examples from each side, and declaring them shite in the process?

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 7 September 2006 15:43 (eighteen years ago)

Ireland wins this hands down. Ireland has a music scene that thinks by its total disconnection from success and big record labels it's actually achieved something. This would be fine if all these acts were making experimental dub or something but most are actually bad commercial rock music.

Scotland is part of the British music scene at least, I don't mean that pejoratively either, just that there is some give/take between the two.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 8 September 2006 06:47 (eighteen years ago)

Ireland has a music scene that thinks by its total disconnection from success and big record labels it's actually achieved something. This would be fine if all these acts were making experimental dub or something but most are actually bad commercial rock music.

I agree with the first sentence, but feel that actually Ireland's music scene is characterised by underachieving experimentalists with no obvious hunger to connect to a record buying public.

At the risk of appearing like a shameless self-promoter, here is my amazing list of the GREATEST EVER IRISH MUSICAL TUNES: http://inuitbikini.blogspot.com/2006/08/cd-greatest-irish-music-tunes-ever.html

― DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 8 September 2006 12:07 (eighteen years ago)

four years pass...

ireland

― nakhchivan, Sunday, 21 August 2011 18:53 (thirteen years ago)

simple minds could win it for scotland though

― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Sunday, 21 August 2011 19:01 (thirteen years ago)

There are a couple of Irish bands I've liked, can only think of one Scottish (Mogwai).

― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Sunday, 21 August 2011 20:35 (thirteen years ago)

Was going to bring up The Pogues as a plus point for Ireland, then remembered they're actually English.

― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Sunday, 21 August 2011 20:41 (thirteen years ago)

As much as it pains me to admit it, the answer is "Ireland"

― Can't Stop the Rop (seandalai), Monday, 22 August 2011 00:03 (thirteen years ago)

yeah, Ireland wins this one with ease

― Number None, Monday, 22 August 2011 00:09 (thirteen years ago)

even with simple minds and deacon blue, the answer is still Ireland innit?

― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 22 August 2011 00:09 (thirteen years ago)

Ireland has some good metal bands currently though in it's favour.

― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 22 August 2011 00:37 (thirteen years ago)

Inverness is perhaps the most overlooked area of Scottish Hip Hop though acts such as Spit-Dis and T-E-C were prominent in the Highlands & Islands. Spit-Dis consists of Brude (Glass Cage), John-Boi (Focus on the Day), KD (Life is a Game) and Sherbit (Hip-Hop). The members of T-E-C, Mgoff and Paul Scotti are perhaps most recognised for their tracks "Don't Doubt The Flow", "These Parts" and "The Movement". In an area disproportionately dominated by traditional Highland music and Rock bands, these groups are particularly influential in the local and national scene in a way which was previously unassociated with artists from this area.

― buzza, Monday, 22 August 2011 03:15 (thirteen years ago)

Can Scotland claim Gentle Giant? The Shulman brothers were born in Glasgow, didn't live there very long though. Anyway, I'm not sure if Gentle Giant would tip the scales either way for Scotland.

― Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Monday, 22 August 2011 13:17 (thirteen years ago)

ac/dc means scotland cant win.

jethro tull does

― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Monday, 22 August 2011 13:56 (thirteen years ago)

four years pass...

didn't know where to put this, been listening to this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSxrH8yYI_E

The stage banter at the end is hilariously cheesy after such a great and deep rendition

(i found it on a cheap vinyl record) another thread mentioned the Corries are remarkably unavailable on cd. (I certainly had never heard of them before, which must be very continental European of me)

― Ludo, Saturday, 30 April 2016 15:47 (nine years ago)

Oh god, Ireland easily.

― 2rrican (Turrican), Saturday, 30 April 2016 15:51 (nine years ago)

The stage banter at the end is hilariously cheesy after such a great and deep rendition

That's folk musicians for you.

― (Henry) Green container bin with face (Tom D.), Saturday, 30 April 2016 15:56 (nine years ago)

I'd have to go with Ireland too

― i;m thinking about thos Beans (Michael B), Saturday, 30 April 2016 16:05 (nine years ago)

Roy Williamson was a helluva talent, Ronnie Browne, er, not so much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ylj-O06Is_c

― (Henry) Green container bin with face (Tom D.), Saturday, 30 April 2016 16:19 (nine years ago)

maybe Roy sold his soul to the devil, and had to include Ronnie Browne in the package deal hehehe. Haircut Ronnie certainly looks like he should just be in a Asterix and Obelix in Scotland in 3D adaptation

thanks for that vid!

― Ludo, Saturday, 30 April 2016 16:55 (nine years ago)

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