I'm DJing at a Women's Studies student party, what tunes would you recommend?

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Feminist and queer anthems should obviously be on the list, but I'm also looking for stuff that's not overtly radical/gay, yet fits the theme. Preferably danceable tunes. What say you?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 2 October 2006 11:19 (eighteen years ago)

I'm predicting some funny comedy responses in this thread!

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Monday, 2 October 2006 11:20 (eighteen years ago)

Queen, "Fat Bottomed Girls"

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 2 October 2006 11:27 (eighteen years ago)

ying yang twins - wait

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 2 October 2006 11:28 (eighteen years ago)

motley crue - 'girls, girls, girls'

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Monday, 2 October 2006 11:29 (eighteen years ago)

duran duran - girls on film

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 2 October 2006 11:30 (eighteen years ago)

Christ, I'd totally forgotten about "Fat Bottomed Girls", I might actually play that.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 2 October 2006 11:30 (eighteen years ago)

weather girls

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 2 October 2006 11:31 (eighteen years ago)

Queen, "Fat Bottomed Girls"
-- NoTimeBeforeTime (mbvarkestra197...), October 2nd, 2006. (Barry Bruner) (later)
ying yang twins - wait
-- The Lex (alex.macpherso...), October 2nd, 2006. (The Lex) (later)
motley crue - 'girls, girls, girls'
-- Charlie Howard (charlieflie...), October 2nd, 2006. (the sphinx) (later)
duran duran - girls on film

-- The Lex (alex.macpherso...), October 2nd, 2006. (The Lex) (later)

http://galaktikal.homestead.com/files/ban.jpg

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Monday, 2 October 2006 11:31 (eighteen years ago)

Can someone recommend me womanist disco anthems in the vain of "I'm Every Woman"? I'm probably skipping "It's Raining Men" and "I Will Survive", 'cause I don't really like either one.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 2 October 2006 11:33 (eighteen years ago)

'last night a dj saved my life'

― estela (estela), Monday, 2 October 2006 11:34 (eighteen years ago)

i really really want to be commissioned to dj a women's studies party now, there is no way in the world i would be able to resist playing 'wait'

(but i would also play lil kim to MAKE UP FOR IT!)

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 2 October 2006 11:34 (eighteen years ago)

tok - chi chi man :D

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 2 October 2006 11:35 (eighteen years ago)

N.W.A. - She swallowed it.

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Monday, 2 October 2006 11:47 (eighteen years ago)

Lex, do you really think Lil' Kim would be a good antidote to the Ying Yang Twins? Aren't they more like two sides of the same coin?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 2 October 2006 11:54 (eighteen years ago)

Donna Summer "Bad Girls"

― willem -- (willem), Monday, 2 October 2006 11:54 (eighteen years ago)

Lex, do you really think Lil' Kim would be a good antidote to the Ying Yang Twins? Aren't they more like two sides of the same coin?

would this be the same currency that more right-on 'queer' acts like le tigre, peaches, gravy train et al also deal in? yes, yes it would, but with better beats!

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 2 October 2006 11:56 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I agree that there's often a fine line between "selling sexuality" and "dealing with sexuality in a liberated way" when it comes to female artists. I'm not that familiar with Lil' Kim, but the stuff I've heard hasn't convinced me she's in the latter category.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 2 October 2006 12:01 (eighteen years ago)

You might check this out:

http://www.girlmonster.info/

― Mark (MarkR), Monday, 2 October 2006 12:03 (eighteen years ago)

Though I could do with sexually liberated r'n'b tunes, like that song from a couple of year ago whose chorus went, "lick my pussy like you should". Who was it by, can't remember?

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― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 2 October 2006 12:04 (eighteen years ago)

A WINNER IS ME

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 2 October 2006 12:05 (eighteen years ago)

i don't see the difference between the two at all. every artist who deals or trades on sexuality is "selling sexuality" (and i have yet to see an argument which has convinced me that this is a bad thing). "dealing with sexuality in a liberated way" - wtf does this even mean? liberating to whom? is this meant to be superior to selling sexuality?

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 2 October 2006 12:06 (eighteen years ago)

Though I could do with sexually liberated r'n'b tunes, like that song from a couple of year ago whose chorus went, "lick my pussy like you should". Who was it by, can't remember?

khia - my neck, my back (lick it)

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 2 October 2006 12:07 (eighteen years ago)

Why do people think Tuomas is fake? Oh right, bullshit threads like this.

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Monday, 2 October 2006 12:11 (eighteen years ago)

What I meant is the difference between exploiting sexism towards women and being a sexually confident woman. Okay, many of those who exploit sexism are also sexually confident, but I think you can do the latter without the former. Of course, even then you're selling your sexual confidence, but that's not a bad thing to sell.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 2 October 2006 12:16 (eighteen years ago)

Jo, can you point me to the bullshit on this thread?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 2 October 2006 12:19 (eighteen years ago)

if "taking advantage of the fact that str8 men lust after women" = "exploiting sexism" i can't think of many women who aren't guilty!

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 2 October 2006 12:23 (eighteen years ago)

Well, yeah, but there are different degrees to that.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 2 October 2006 12:28 (eighteen years ago)

Lil Kim needs to rock a suit more.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 2 October 2006 12:33 (eighteen years ago)

like the Ying-Yang Twinz!

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 2 October 2006 12:33 (eighteen years ago)

Nirvana - Rape Me

― chakra khan chakra khan (sanskrit), Monday, 2 October 2006 12:34 (eighteen years ago)

Someone suggest an Anal Cunt track now, we can get the trifecta!

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Monday, 2 October 2006 12:37 (eighteen years ago)

lil kim in a suit:

http://api.mds.cw.com/xmlserver/img/010000-010999/med_10482.jpg

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 2 October 2006 12:43 (eighteen years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/sevenxviii/Isawsuchdisplaysofanti-feminismlast.jpg

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Monday, 2 October 2006 12:45 (eighteen years ago)

lol, Marc Loi, you big pussy!

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Monday, 2 October 2006 12:53 (eighteen years ago)

hahah, that's a very sly way of trying to get into women's pants

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Monday, 2 October 2006 13:16 (eighteen years ago)

Whitehouse - "Just like a cunt" (argues that women should empower themselves by stopping to act like cunts)

― wostyntje (wostyntje), Monday, 2 October 2006 13:21 (eighteen years ago)

Consolidated - You Suck

― nate woolls (napawo), Monday, 2 October 2006 13:29 (eighteen years ago)

i'm guessing ilm's population in 99% male, what with increasingly unsubtle suggestions re. this thread, and the mere existence of the stripper thread.

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Monday, 2 October 2006 13:31 (eighteen years ago)

There's two stripper threads! And an actual female and stripper posted in one of them.

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Monday, 2 October 2006 13:34 (eighteen years ago)

i'm guessing ilm's population in 99% male

1% female, 6% male, 93% save-a-ho.

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Monday, 2 October 2006 13:35 (eighteen years ago)

lol, drunk people randomly grope and make out with people they didn't even talk to at a college party, film at 11! those horrible sober men, taking advantage of drunk women. note marc's use of the term "their women." what a sleaze!

why is this different from any other party, can't you just play random crap until everyone's drunk and then "accidentally" loop "groove is in the heart" for a couple hours?

― intensive studies (mike h.), Monday, 2 October 2006 13:36 (eighteen years ago)

male /=idiot

i'm guessing 99% of ilm is idiot

― alderman frank rossi (bulbs), Monday, 2 October 2006 13:36 (eighteen years ago)

oops our petri got thier first saluta!

― alderman frank rossi (bulbs), Monday, 2 October 2006 13:38 (eighteen years ago)

Speaking as someone who was a women's studies major, and went to plenty of women's studies parties, I think it's safe to say that we like music like everybody else does. There's going to be some inevitable contingent of Ani Difranco types (Bitch & Animal for the hipper) and Le Tigre tended to go down excellently back in 2000, so I guess follow that lead, but beyond that, we just like to dance! Play whatever you would play at any hipster/college party, a mix of ace pop choons and whatever. Just weed out anything really grotesquely misogynist so that you don't have to deal with the group that really will call you out on the bullshit of playing misogynistic junk at a women's studies party.

― Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Monday, 2 October 2006 13:38 (eighteen years ago)

loi's little anecdote is smugly self-righteous. great work him thinking it's his role and right to fend off other men.

regarding strippers, i totally should have gone to a strip club when i went to roppongo. that way i'd have something more interesting to recount. as far as heading to a strip club in my home city, the likelihood is precisely zero.

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Monday, 2 October 2006 13:44 (eighteen years ago)

As someone who used to get a sizeable contingent of "political" and even separatist lesbians down at his club nights, I'd say DON'T try and choose your tracks on "I'm down with me sistas" grounds, but DO be careful about the lyrical content of the tracks you play, as they WILL be listening, and they WILL object if needs be. Other than that, a dancefloor's a dancefloor...

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 2 October 2006 13:47 (eighteen years ago)

Kid Rock - Yodelin' In The Valley

― SAS (sschwartzberg), Monday, 2 October 2006 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

(you're) having my baby - paul anka

― timmy tannin (pompous), Monday, 2 October 2006 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

Janis Ian-At Seventeen
Helen Reddy-I Am Woman
Indigo Girls' overwrought cover of Romeo and Juliet
The awful duo of Bitch & Animal, inexplicibly popular with this crowd
2 Nice Girls

but not matter what you play, count on offending someone.

Women's Studies, bwak. Ideology disguised as academic discipline.

― shookout (shookout), Monday, 2 October 2006 16:17 (eighteen years ago)

>Women's Studies, bwak. Ideology disguised as academic discipline.

part of the idiot 99%.

― wostyntje (wostyntje), Monday, 2 October 2006 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

beastie boys - paul revere

― sunny successor (katharine), Monday, 2 October 2006 16:39 (eighteen years ago)

I'm still perplexed by the thread question, to be honest! Do women's studies majors refuse to dance to anything besides feminist manifestos?

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Monday, 2 October 2006 16:43 (eighteen years ago)

Sly & The Family Stone - "Dance To The Feminist Manifestos"

― Apocalypse '07: Rodney Strikes Back (R. J. Greene), Monday, 2 October 2006 16:49 (eighteen years ago)

"The Patriarchy Is On Fire"

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Monday, 2 October 2006 16:52 (eighteen years ago)

you know women, they only listen to natalie merchant and shit. they crazy.

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 2 October 2006 16:58 (eighteen years ago)

are there any grime remixes of joan armatrading stuff? they MIGHT like that.

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 2 October 2006 16:59 (eighteen years ago)

http://bestmessageboardever.com/uploads/post-1452-1151871120.jpg

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Monday, 2 October 2006 17:00 (eighteen years ago)

those girls are way too pretty to be feminists

― sunny successor (katharine), Monday, 2 October 2006 17:02 (eighteen years ago)

roxanne shante - brothers ain't shit

― Login Name consigliere (consigliere), Monday, 2 October 2006 17:04 (eighteen years ago)

ac/dc - she's got balls

― dave q (listerine), Monday, 2 October 2006 17:07 (eighteen years ago)

the fatty's only two hairy armpits and one less layer of foundation away from being a womyn.

― shookout (shookout), Monday, 2 October 2006 17:26 (eighteen years ago)

I love that picture so much

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Monday, 2 October 2006 17:27 (eighteen years ago)

michael s. jackson OTM

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 2 October 2006 17:28 (eighteen years ago)

sunny otm

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Monday, 2 October 2006 17:36 (eighteen years ago)

Rolling Stones - Under my thumb
Neil young - A man needs a maid

― Period period period (Period period period), Monday, 2 October 2006 18:30 (eighteen years ago)

12. I Sent A Thankyou Card To The Guy That Raped You
YOU JUST CAME FROM A BIKINI KILL CONCERT
YOU FELT LIKE A STRONG INDEPENDENT WOMAN
TWO GUYS WHERE HAVING A "RAPE THE UGLIEST CUNT POSSIBLE" CONTEST
YOU WEREN'T A STRONG WOMAN ANYMORE
I'M GLAD YOU GOT RAPED
YOU STUPID DYKE CUNT
I'M GLAD YOU GOT RAPED
CUZ YOU'RE A STUPID DYKE CUNT
I LAUGHED AS I WATCHED HIM RAPE YOU
THEN I BROUGHT HIM A FEW BEERS
EVERY YEAR ON THE ANNIVERSARY OF YOUR RAPE
I SEND HIM A THANKYOU CARD, YOU STUPID FUCKING DYKE CUNT

I'M GLAD YOU GOT RAPED
YOU STUPID DYKE CUNT
I'M GLAD YOU GOT RAPED
CUZ YOU'RE A STUPED DYKE CUNT

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 2 October 2006 18:45 (eighteen years ago)

yuck.

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 2 October 2006 18:59 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I wouldn't play that.

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Monday, 2 October 2006 19:52 (eighteen years ago)

it's kinda... sexist?

― the classic sounds of the seventh of january 1998 (Enrique), Monday, 2 October 2006 20:04 (eighteen years ago)

I'd print off this entire thread and used it as a flyer for the party.

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Monday, 2 October 2006 20:08 (eighteen years ago)

Play the E's: Erase Errata and Electrelane

― pinder (pinder), Monday, 2 October 2006 20:08 (eighteen years ago)

man i love the new erase errata!!!!! awesome!

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 2 October 2006 20:14 (eighteen years ago)

The thing with Anal Cunt is that you can't understand the lyrics in 99% of their songs, so unless there was a closet AC fan in the group...

― wostyntje (wostyntje), Monday, 2 October 2006 20:46 (eighteen years ago)

anal cunt gets mentioned on message boards a lot for a band no one ever listens to. same w/gg allin.

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 2 October 2006 20:49 (eighteen years ago)

Chia Pet - "Hey Baby"
Maggie Estep - "That Stupid Jerk I'm Obsessed With"
Jill Sobule - "I Kissed A Girl"
Melissa Ferrick - "Happy Song"

etc

― zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Monday, 2 October 2006 21:21 (eighteen years ago)

Feminist and queer anthems should obviously be on the list

I can see this event going very badly wrong.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Monday, 2 October 2006 21:39 (eighteen years ago)

Passantino's viewpoint was cancelled out by that horrid image macro. Ah well.

― EsteBAN LOUIS JAGGER (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Monday, 2 October 2006 21:46 (eighteen years ago)

Lesbians on Ecstasy - Like The Way I Do

― todd (todd), Monday, 2 October 2006 22:20 (eighteen years ago)

Lil Kim- Eat My Pussy Right
Khia- My Neck, My Back

I mean, both songs about the man getting down and serving the women...so I think they're apropos.

― trees (treesessplode), Monday, 2 October 2006 22:27 (eighteen years ago)

this is seriously the most retarded!

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 2 October 2006 22:28 (eighteen years ago)

Maggie Estep - "That Stupid Jerk I'm Obsessed With"

GREAT fucking poem.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Monday, 2 October 2006 23:46 (eighteen years ago)

I once performed Maggie's "SEX GODDESS OF THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE" in drag at my local poetry slam. Bag full o' sex toys & all.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Monday, 2 October 2006 23:47 (eighteen years ago)

QUEEN LATIFAH AND LE TIGRE

― Colin Cassidy (Colin Cassidy), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 00:04 (eighteen years ago)

slits - love and romance

― kephm (kephm), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 00:16 (eighteen years ago)

Holly Dunn - Maybe I Mean Yes

When I say no I mean maybe.
Baby don't you know me yet?
Nothin's worth havin' if it ain't a little hard to get.
So let me clarify so you won't have to try to guess.
When I say no I mean maybe, or maybe I mean yes.

― Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 02:03 (eighteen years ago)

the blow has a few songs about the gaze.

― Godfrzej Ljang (godfrzej), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 02:45 (eighteen years ago)

...plus you can dance to it.

― Godfrzej Ljang (godfrzej), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 02:45 (eighteen years ago)

"80s Ladies"-KT Oslin
"Tales of Taboo"-Karen Finley
"The Day I Found Myself"-Honey Cone
"Career Girl"-Carrie Lucas

― Arthurgh! A Music War (Arthur), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 03:30 (eighteen years ago)

chicks on speed - the household song

― electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 03:32 (eighteen years ago)

It's worth pointing out that the partygoers may just want good music, not music that you have deemed somehow thematically appropriate.

That being said, "LADIES FIRST" BY QUEEN LATIFAH AND MONIE LOVE

― max (maxreax), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 04:15 (eighteen years ago)

Of course I'm going to play other stuff than feminist/queer anthems, which is why my initial post was worded like it was. But I don't see nothing wrong in playing thematically fitting tunes as well, if they're good and danceable. And I'm a Women's Studies major myself, so I know no one is expecting me to play a set full of feminist manifestos, just good music. I just don't think the two exclude each other.

Anyway, the mindset of certain people here makes me sad. If you think there's something inherently funny about a guy being a feminist (or feminism itself), I find that rather pathetic.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 06:09 (eighteen years ago)

What say you?

Did you seriously think you were going to get serious answers?

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 06:18 (eighteen years ago)

Van Halen - Hot 4 Teacher, obv.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 06:19 (eighteen years ago)

Adolescene: –noun

1. the transitional period between puberty and adulthood in human development, extending mainly over the teen years and terminating legally when the age of majority is reached; youth.
2. the process or state of growing to maturity.
3. a period or stage of development, as of a society, preceding maturity.

― tolstoy (tolstoy), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 11:07 (eighteen years ago)

If you think there's something inherently funny about a guy being a feminist (or feminism itself), I find that rather pathetic.

There is something funny (as in odd, rather than haha) about a guy being a self-defined feminist. Why not take a more balanced/rounded view of gender issues? Men are also limited by social roles, suffer their own areas of discimination etc. Why ignore one half of the issue?

Sympathetic to feminism fine - but feminist - I wonder.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 11:25 (eighteen years ago)

er i think a lot of feminism IS a pretty balanced/rounded view of gender issues, and anyone thinking it odd about a man self-defining as a feminist must be rather ill-informed or ignorant.

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 11:27 (eighteen years ago)

I beg to differ - and point to the Momus/Nabisco thread on Betty Friedan as evidence that the 'balance/rounded view' is actually quite debatable - literally.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 11:51 (eighteen years ago)

haha lex thinks 'my neck, my back' is feminist.

― the classic sounds of the seventh of january 1998 (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 12:06 (eighteen years ago)

haha lex accuses someone of being ill-informed.

― the classic sounds of the seventh of january 1998 (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 12:21 (eighteen years ago)

Feminism fully agrees with this, it's practically the entire thesis: that gender roles are inherently limiting! Only one of the two gender roles comes pre-packaged w/rape, abuse, being owned & disenfranchised & economically marginalized, etc., though, so that's the one requiring triage y'dig

most of this thread is fucking disgusting, you ppl wouldn't dream of dredging up racist songs to recommend as funny-haha "I'm playing this for black people!" stuff, so fuck those of you who're on that tip

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 12:26 (eighteen years ago)

the first few suggestions, mine included, were fine i thought. somewhere, however, this thread took a nasty turn for the worse

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 12:29 (eighteen years ago)

wouldn't be too sure about that!

not because many ilx0rs are racist, but because !tuomas kind of invites this stuff.

i mean, seriously -- 'i'm djing at a modern history student party, plz to recommend songs about famous battles' or some shit.

― the classic sounds of the seventh of january 1998 (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 12:31 (eighteen years ago)

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/5535/spiritsquadisgayerthanmezu7.jpg

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 12:34 (eighteen years ago)

That isn't the same at all - "modern history" touches people's lives in very different ways than gender and sexual issues (the stuff women's studies deals with) does. There are no "modern history anhtems", but there certainly are feminist and queer anthems.

Oh yeah, and Thomas Tallis is right in that feminism today deals exactly with the issues Bob Six accuses it not dealing with. For some reason people still equate feminism with some of the more extreme separatist ideas of the seventies, which have been out of fashion for quite a while.

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Also, I think "My Neck, My Back" is feminist too, in the sense that it turns traditional sexual roles around and portrays a woman as an active participant in sex rather than a passive servant.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 12:46 (eighteen years ago)

the first few suggestions, mine included, were fine i thought. somewhere, however, this thread took a nasty turn for the worse

when initially poking fun at the humourless le tigre fan types who took offence at 'wait', i forgot that ilm is mostly populated these days by socially retarded male indie fuckwits who have a grudge against women because they can't get laid

i do think 'my neck, my back' is feminist in its way

and i think bob six is a misogynist idiot

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 12:55 (eighteen years ago)

right because the le tigre fans couldn't POSSIBLY have a point there. ridiculous to slander most of ilx's apparent 'grudge' while repping for the fucking whisper song.

Also, I think "My Neck, My Back" is feminist too, in the sense that it turns traditional sexual roles around and portrays a woman as an active participant in sex rather than a passive servant.

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THE REAL TUOMAS?

― the classic sounds of the seventh of january 1998 (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 12:59 (eighteen years ago)

Hmm. Did Lex have an unrequited crush on an indie kid? That might explain a lot.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:01 (eighteen years ago)

roxanne shante - brothers ain't shit

― Login Name consigliere (consigliere), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:34 (eighteen years ago)

Oh come on, you are about 8 million times smarter than this.

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:55 (eighteen years ago)

And I'm a Women's Studies major myself

Tuomas you are too good to be true!!!!!!

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

but yeah, i think people are mostly kidding...although sometimes ILM takes, like, a little too much zeal in stuff like this, even though it's (kinda) funny....but seriously Tuomas, every time you post you act like you've never been to this board before! I would've bet like $100 that an Anal Cunt song was going to be posted.

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

This could have been "I'm DJing at a cat fanciers' gala, what tunes would you recommend?" thread and someone would have brought up Anal Cunt.

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

hahahaha

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 14:53 (eighteen years ago)

'I Intentionally Ran Over Your Dog'

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 14:53 (eighteen years ago)

"I'm DJing before an Anal Cunt gig, what tunes would you recommend?"

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 14:57 (eighteen years ago)

xpost

You think your dog's so cute
but he's a yappy fuckface
always barking about nothing
fucking chases squirrels like a canine shithead
fuck you I ran him down like a rat

I intentionally ran over your dog
I intentionally ran over your dog
I intentionally ran over your dog
I intentionally ran over your dog

You think he looks cool with his fucking bandana
Everyone laughs cuz he looks like a hairy fag
He can't even catch a fucking frisbee for shit
He's a poseur and so are you
Glue factory here we come

I intentionally ran over your dog
I intentionally ran over your dog
I intentionally ran over your dog
I intentionally ran over your dog

You act all cool cuz you say he's a purebred
Now he's just a fucking skidmark
I wiped my ass on his fucking pedigree papers
and pissed in his Science Diet food
Fuck all dogs fucking canine assholes
I create a fucking doggie gas-chamber
to destroy the mongrels

I intentionally ran over your dog
I intentionally ran over your dog
I intentionally ran over your dog
I intentionally ran over your dog

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 15:00 (eighteen years ago)

Oh come on, you are about 8 million times smarter than this.

Dan it's my opinion that sexism & racism are equivalent evils which are, at core, expressions of the same impulse - I know that plenty of people don't share this opinion, but it hardly originates with me. It depends on whether you give special status to racism. I don't. I am as offended by sexist assholes as I am by racist ones. I would imagine that you'd be more offended by racism than by sexism, because it directly affects you; I do understand that me taking umbrage at either trope is something of a philosophical luxury, insofar as I won't be experiencing racism or sexism firsthand, like, ever. Be all that as it may, I think that assigning greater/lesser values to marginalization/oppressing/belittling/etc is stupid. "Here are songs that celebrate rape & misogynya, haha 'Womens Studies'" = yes, as offensive as any comparable racism envisioning of the trope. Sorry if that makes me dumb.

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 15:18 (eighteen years ago)

what *is* your deal?

― the classic sounds of the seventh of january 1998 (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

I read it, like Enrique, as suggesting that any ILM thread like this is going to consist mainly of 'edgy' cheap shots, but I could be wrong

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

Women's Studies, bwak. Ideology disguised as academic discipline.

http://www.jamsarts.com/animated/characters/psyduck.gif

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

I think there's actually a big difference on how racism in music is taken extremely serious here, but sexism can be a subject of casual jokes. In my opinion the two aren't exactly interchangeable, but still it seems some people take sexism way less seriously than racism.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

it seems some people take sexism way less seriously than racism.

OTM

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

dj mencap how could this thread be responded to otherwise? it's the most patronizing shit i've ever heard!

― the classic sounds of the seventh of january 1998 (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 15:46 (eighteen years ago)

o christ I just wrote a long, thought out bit that I lost somehow. FFS.

In sum:

You don't have to burn crosses to be a racist. You don't have to beat women to be a sexist. Passive sexism, in evidence all over this particular thread, is dangerous too. We need more people who are actively anti-sexist i.e. feminists, whether they're male or female.

And Tuomas, as a Women's Studies minor, it's good to encounter a friend in the struggle.

(multiple xposts)

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 15:53 (eighteen years ago)

Dan it's my opinion that sexism & racism are equivalent evils which are, at core, expressions of the same impulse

http://www.mutantreviewers.com/pc17.jpg

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:10 (eighteen years ago)

Dan it's my opinion that sexism & racism are equivalent evils which are, at core, expressions of the same impulse
http://www.mutantreviewers.com/pcu/afro.jpg

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:12 (eighteen years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/lixnixn/pekka.jpg

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:17 (eighteen years ago)

difference between sexism and racism: "the patriarchy" doesn't exist

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

Dan, what are you saying? You really think that if someone requested songs for a black frat party or something, people would mostly suggest white power records?

That said, I still have a hard time understanding why someone would find "I Write Sins Not Tragedies" sexist and not "Wait (The Whisper Song)."

― Sundar (sundar), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:23 (eighteen years ago)

x-post

Do you have an argument there, doggy, or do you just delight in trolling?

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:24 (eighteen years ago)

You really think that if someone requested songs for a black frat party or something, people would mostly suggest white power records?

And supposing they did, would you have any problem with that?

― Sundar (sundar), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:26 (eighteen years ago)

take a look at the society around you, Hoosteen, and you'll realise I ain't trolling

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:27 (eighteen years ago)

T/S: reading posts to this thread as responses to genuine feminism vs. responses to self-righteous woah-man caricature?

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:27 (eighteen years ago)

women control the weather with their menstral cycles

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

T/S: reading posts to this thread as responses to genuine feminism vs. responses to self-righteous woah-man caricature?

"they don't mean anything by it," eh milo?

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:32 (eighteen years ago)

I look at the society around me with great frequency given that two of my majors are Sociology and Mass Communication. Long hours spent studying the way capitalist western culture functions suggest to me that patriarchy does, in fact, exist.

Why do you disagree? An argument would be more useful to our discussion than a pithy one-liner.

(And before anybody gets bogged down in meta-debate shit, I realize that the burden of proof lies on one to prove that patriarchy does exist, I'm just curious why Good Dog thinks it doesn't.)

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:34 (eighteen years ago)

x-post, that is.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:34 (eighteen years ago)

It says a lot that America has a 'Hispanic' racial category, even though this is hardly a race.

-- Good Dog (methylated-spiri...), April 24th, 2006.

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:35 (eighteen years ago)

xp - He's a joke, ergo the only responses to anything like this (LOOKIT ME I'S SO OPEN AND FREE) are going to be jokes.

(it is kind of ironic that the only recent photo I remember of Tuomas is him and some Aryan sisters throwing up 'gang signs' like little white kids lampooning Tupac circa 1996)

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:37 (eighteen years ago)

I can't prove something doesn't exist. That's a logical fallacy. But simply put, all my years on God's green earth have learned me that human societies are structured on power relations which do not hinge around male domination over female. The patriarchy is a faulty model, one derived from another faulty model, ie Marxism. But I can't be arsed to give you a million examples of this because I'm lazy. One day i'll write a book which will describe the true mechanics of social order and win a nobel prize

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

xx post, why am i being quoted there? i don't get it.

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:41 (eighteen years ago)

But simply put, all my years on God's green earth have learned me that human societies are structured on power relations which do not hinge around male domination over female.

Hahahahahaha really?? practically every historian ever disagrees with you, but your own experience is obviously a better yardstick than pesky scholarship

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:45 (eighteen years ago)

is hoosteen new? he is quite a treat.

― the classic sounds of the seventh of january 1998 (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:46 (eighteen years ago)

er, thomas, i don't think that many historians these days think any one power structure dominates any society, but if they did, i can think of quite a few who would not put gender relations above MONEY.

― the classic sounds of the seventh of january 1998 (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:47 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I'm afraid your esteemed tutors are lying to you, Thomas. But that's what you get when you major in an ideology not an adademic discipline.

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

He's a joke, ergo the only responses to anything like this (LOOKIT ME I'S SO OPEN AND FREE) are going to be jokes.

This thread was supposed to be a genuine request for recommendations. If you think doing Women's studies and being a feminist equals to being a joke, well, that's your business I guess.

Few people I think it's weird for white people to be anti-racist or straight people to be pro-gay, so why is it so weird for a guy to be feminist? Especially since sexism affects men too, i.e. it pains a picture of how "real" men and "real" women should be, and besides women there's quite a few men who suffer from such narrow definitions of gender as well.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:49 (eighteen years ago)

milton yr right, money's the main thing, but anybody who doesn't think western societies from about 6000 BC to the present don't hinge largely on keeping men in power & women out of it is kidding themselves

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

I'm waiting for a bunch of crackpot righty links debunking the generally-accepted view of prehistory from my buddy Good Dog, he's kind of a treat

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:52 (eighteen years ago)

so why is it so weird for a guy to be feminist?
No one - aside from the Good Dogs and Callumites of ILX - has suggested that it is.

Feminism isn't weird. You, however, are a parody. And that makes for teh jokes.

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:53 (eighteen years ago)

I agree w/you classic, $$$ is "determinant in the last instance," as a buddy o' mine said. That $$$'d elite, though, is largely bankrolled by and benefits from things like sexism in the university and in the workplace, which makes understanding/fighting patriarchy part and parcel of understanding/fighting other forms of unjust social hierarchy.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:54 (eighteen years ago)

Good Dog, you don't need a systematic model of patriarchy to realize that sexism is widespread in a society. However, to claim gender isn't one of the most important lines of division in most societies (not the most important, because there isn't one), nor that women aren't generally in the shorter end of the stick would be kinda ridiculous.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:54 (eighteen years ago)

i.e.

OTM

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:55 (eighteen years ago)

RE: right links: well at least left/right actually applies to social groups with different interests, I'll give it that. But one example: why is it that when women sit atop of the food chain they behave exactly the same as their male colleagues? They know where their true interests lie.

For the record, I never said sexism wasn't widespread in society. I said that it's dominant mechanism isn't "patriarchy" and I absolutely disagree that history "hinges largely" on keeping women down and men up, which some of y'all seem to agree with now. Try telling that to your professors and watch them fume.

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:58 (eighteen years ago)

But one example: why is it that when women sit atop of the food chain they behave exactly the same as their male colleagues?

omg did you know black people can be racist too????

Feminism isn't weird. You, however, are a parody. And that makes for teh jokes.

If only they were better jokes! :(

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:01 (eighteen years ago)

I know you have this vision of people here being in school but most of my professors are dead by now dude

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:01 (eighteen years ago)

GD is the sign that the thread is over though, bring on the animated gifs pls

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:02 (eighteen years ago)

Oh i got my Thomases mixed up.

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:03 (eighteen years ago)

GD is the sign that the thread is over

Aw, I was just getting started!

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:04 (eighteen years ago)

I've never met any "minority" college student who played a race card in interacting with me, but I've had accusations of sexism thrown in my face unfairly many many many times.

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:05 (eighteen years ago)

GD is the sign that the thread is over though, bring on the animated gifs pls

I'm not beneath talking to like you think, you know. Just because someone disagrees with you no need for the insults.

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:06 (eighteen years ago)

Dan, what are you saying? You really think that if someone requested songs for a black frat party or something, people would mostly suggest white power records?

That is exactly what I'm saying. Anyone who has paid any attention to the cultural shift of ILM over the past 6 years would have known this. I think TT's post and subsequent defense of said post was a startling display of illogical, ill-thought-out, disingenuous boat-missing in terms of the audience he was addrerssing. The patronizing "but don't you understand, my black friend? Women are oppressed JUST LIKE YOU" bullshit directed towards me was just kind of icing on the cake.

(ps: Despite my verbiage I am not mad and I apologize of my choice of words makes you mad, TT.)

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:08 (eighteen years ago)

Fine.

http://www.got.net/~elained/smash.gif

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:09 (eighteen years ago)

yeah when you started in with the 'tell that to your precious professors' crap you kind of excused yourself from civility, man - that sort of condescending ad-hom garbage merits response in kind at best

xpost Dan you know I don't worry about it, you can sound off on me all day, having known you a long time I feel like we can fully tooth-and-nail without worrying too much! we disagree, we say bullshit to each other, you're always welcome to my scotch at the end of the day

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:11 (eighteen years ago)

that said, it sounds to me like you minimize the extend of women's treatment by male-dominated societies over the centuries, but that we disagree about this is not news

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

would anyone actually start a thread called "i'm djing for black people, what should i play?"

― THIS IS THE SOUND OF RADIOHEAD BEING BEATEN AT A GAME THEY WEREN'T EVEN BOL (slu, Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

and people really think that thread would end up being... respectful in tone?

― THIS IS THE SOUND OF RADIOHEAD BEING BEATEN AT A GAME THEY WEREN'T EVEN BOL (slu, Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:14 (eighteen years ago)

you're always welcome to my scotch at the end of the day

I stole this line from an episode of Law and Order btw

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:14 (eighteen years ago)

Thomas, well in the book of fallacies the call to authority is a non-argument from the get-go so what do you expect (garbage, crap, man, dude, etc). And yeah, this is as pointless as you think. Perhaps it's only merit as an interchange is it's a better demonstration of what real "power" is than a silly concept like a "patriarchy".

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:18 (eighteen years ago)

would anyone actually start a thread called "i'm djing for black people, what should i play?"
-- THIS IS THE SOUND OF RADIOHEAD BEING BEATEN AT A GAME THEY WEREN'T EVEN BOL (slytus...), October 3rd, 2006.

and people really think that thread would end up being... respectful in tone?
-- THIS IS THE SOUND OF RADIOHEAD BEING BEATEN AT A GAME THEY WEREN'T EVEN BOL (slytus...), October 3rd, 2006.

only one way to find out.

― the classic sounds of the seventh of january 1998 (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:18 (eighteen years ago)

*duh-duh* Law & Order show....
*duh-duh* Law & Order shoooow....

(also megakingsize roffles for s1ocki)

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:19 (eighteen years ago)

I dunno, slytusk, I see your point, but I could sort of imagine someone legitimately asking for recommendations if they were DJing after an anti-racist rally or for an African-American studies class reception.

― Sundar (sundar), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:19 (eighteen years ago)

*duh-duh* Law & Order show....
*duh-duh* Law & Order shoooow....

Tuomas this is the first track you should play

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:23 (eighteen years ago)

and i think bob six is a misogynist idiot

well, I resent the misogynist part of that.

I'm not anti-women in any way, nor am I anti-feminism.

However, I don't think gender issues start and end with feminism.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:24 (eighteen years ago)

uhm, yeah, Tuomas didn't start a thread asking what music to play for women; as far as we know most of the ppl at his Women's Studies party might be men, cuz that's what Scandinavia is like you know.

xxpost

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:26 (eighteen years ago)

manly?

― THIS IS THE SOUND OF RADIOHEAD BEING BEATEN AT A GAME THEY WEREN'T EVEN BOL (slu, Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:27 (eighteen years ago)

Yes.

http://www.umeaopen.se/image/artists/Hakan-Hellstrom_300.jpg

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:30 (eighteen years ago)

(continuing on with responses to Sundar)

And supposing they did, would you have any problem with that?

Well, it would depend completely on the nature of the suggestions. If I thought they were funny, I would laugh. If I thought they were mean-spirited towards the person asking, I would still laugh if I also thought they were funny. If I thought they were mean-spirited towards black people, I would probably go "wtf ILM" avoid the thread.

I also think that if this thread had opened up with Tuomas's third post (Can someone recommend me womanist disco anthems in the vain of "I'm Every Woman"? I'm probably skipping "It's Raining Men" and "I Will Survive", 'cause I don't really like either one.) it would have been much shorter and much less "controversial".

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:35 (eighteen years ago)

someone would have still posted an anal cunt song.

― THIS IS THE SOUND OF RADIOHEAD BEING BEATEN AT A GAME THEY WEREN'T EVEN BOL (slu, Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:40 (eighteen years ago)

Posting the thread in the first place is so fucking stupid. If you think about it for a minute, the fact that these are FUCKING FINNS matters a lot more than them being FUCKING FEMINISTS. I'm sure we can all agree that British undergrads, regardless of the field of study have more in common with each other, in terms of taste, than with American undergrads. This is without a doubt more true for FUCKING FINNS. Who knows the most about the Finnish undergraduate on ILX?

Tuomas.

Tuomas just wanted to strut his e-wang.

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:40 (eighteen years ago)

someone would have still posted an anal cunt song.

Well, of course; this is ILM.

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:44 (eighteen years ago)

delete thread:

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― shabba ranks (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:45 (eighteen years ago)

Well, of course; this is the Internet.

corrected

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:45 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, that's why he's DJing and not any of us. He's just asking for suggestions to augment his repertoire, in case he missed or doesn't know about something.

(But, yes, Dan, if I were DJing such an event, I would have probably asked for something more specific like that.)

3xpost

― Sundar (sundar), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:47 (eighteen years ago)

(still think my point about the wtfness of the premiss stands -- do sociology students want sociology-themed music for the dancing? computer students? thought not.)

― the classic sounds of the seventh of january 1998 (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:49 (eighteen years ago)

I'm sure we can all agree that British undergrads, regardless of the field of study have more in common with each other, in terms of taste, than with American undergrads. This is without a doubt more true for FUCKING FINNS. Who knows the most about the Finnish undergraduate on ILX?

Er, I really don't think so. I'd assume Women's Studies undergrads from the UK or the US have more in common with me than, say, Economics undergrads from Finland. At least based on experience I've had with exchange students here. Besides, pop music is pretty universal in Western countries these days. I wasn't asking you to plan my whole playlist, just recommend some tunes which might be thematically fitting. I really don't see why that's such a big deal to some.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:54 (eighteen years ago)

i don't think we have women's studies over here.

― the classic sounds of the seventh of january 1998 (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:56 (eighteen years ago)

I think the problem is someone thought the point of this thread was to bitch about feminism rather than to make sexist jokes, the latter of which many good feminists do.

― Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago)

(still think my point about the wtfness of the premiss stands -- do sociology students want sociology-themed music for the dancing? computer students? thought not.)

Again, your comparisons aren't good. Women's Studies isn't idelogically neutral, it's commited to social change. (Almost) all of these students support feminist politics, so why not plays some that tunes they might like based on their worldview? A better question might be, "Would you play some Coup or Chumbawamba or Dead Prez at a leftist organization's party?". I would.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago)

chumbawamba fucking suck, so they shouldn't be played anywhere. if you were really committed to social change you wouldn't be sweating what goes on the college jukebox.

― the classic sounds of the seventh of january 1998 (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 18:04 (eighteen years ago)

Also, trust me, there's a pretty specific list of things you'd have to choose from at a comp sci party. They wouldn't be obviously related to programming computers, but at the same time they would be.

― Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 18:04 (eighteen years ago)

I.e. things from the Clerks soundtrack.

― Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 18:05 (eighteen years ago)

"First comes the law part, and then comes the order part..."

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 18:05 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, if I'd really be commited to social change I should do nothing except rally on the streets 24/7.

I love Chumbawamba, though I admit they kinda lost it around the time "Tubthumping" came out.

(x-post to Enrique)

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 18:07 (eighteen years ago)

So Tuomas is overstating things. It's just cultural.

― Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 18:08 (eighteen years ago)

Actually, I'll probably be playing Chumbawamba at this party too. They have a couple of great feminist songs, and "Homophobia" really is quite a moving tune if you like your political songs sentimental and unsubtle.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 18:13 (eighteen years ago)

list of countries to bomb

afghanistan
iraq
iran
north korea
finland

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 18:15 (eighteen years ago)

After this, the dance party started. Lyn Collins, Aretha, Tina, Staple Singers, Dusty, more Aretha, JB's "Liberation" - they went bazonkers , as J-Shep says. They were doing the most child-like, uncoordinated wiggling, riverdance-prancing I have ever seen; glorius, happy and free. They cheered at the start of each song, pointing at me and hooting. I felt like Paul Oakenfold playing to 20,000 Belgian ravers.

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 18:29 (eighteen years ago)

tuomas, just play the frogs, ok?

― sunny successor (katharine), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 18:30 (eighteen years ago)

Seriously, check out that 3-CD comp put out by Chicks on Speed.

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 19:05 (eighteen years ago)

male women's studies majors=funny

(I bet his parents are thrilled)

― shookout (shookout), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 19:51 (eighteen years ago)

His two mommies!

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 20:01 (eighteen years ago)

be sure to play some Erasure, Bronski Beat, and Jimmy Somerville solo stuff...

Also, Tuomas, if you're not out yet, it's time.

― shookout (shookout), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 20:03 (eighteen years ago)

Anyway, correct answer:

The Thread Boob Etiquette (A Question For The Ladies) Read By Ned Raggett.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 20:09 (eighteen years ago)

be sure to play some Erasure, Bronski Beat, and Jimmy Somerville solo stuff...

Also, Tuomas, if you're not out yet, it's time.

http://www.themagictutor.com/columnas/rookies2/psyduck.jpg

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 20:35 (eighteen years ago)

Computer students do want computer themed music for dancing, I think. Also they like it if you have a lot of sound tracks to anime shows.

― William Ryan Stuart Hamilton (Stagger Lee), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 12:23 (eighteen years ago)

ALDO COWPAT OTM (only it should be read by Kate Masonic Boom and Ned in tandem)

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 12:25 (eighteen years ago)

"real" men and "real" women

anyone care to show me where these people are? i see plenty of people trying to play the 'real' part out, but always fallin on the face.
i have only met a handful of 'real' people, men or women.

feminism's a lot like punk, it had it's time/place. but, now it's an outdated thing that met with a brickwall some time ago. feminism hasn't kept up w/ the shifting sands of culture and that's how it lost it's steam. granted, there are some trying to change that. but, not many. and no Ani-Army's gonna change that.

btw- it's $$$. that's the only thing that's on top. not a man/woman. but a figure...

― edde (edde), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 13:18 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, believing in equality is totally played out.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

it's a fad

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 16:09 (eighteen years ago)

feminism died when the first kid said...

― a|ex (Pareene), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 16:17 (eighteen years ago)

Sometimes I think people's definition of "feminism" is along the lines of "the reason girls won't have sex with me."

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 16:37 (eighteen years ago)

equality's an ideal, not one that seem attainable anymore.
for anyone- gender, race, etc.

― edde (edde), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 16:46 (eighteen years ago)

Team Dresch's Freewheel might be a good one, although maybe not dancy enough.

― darin (darin), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 18:32 (eighteen years ago)

The Crystals: "He Hit Me (It Felt Like A Kiss)"

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 18:51 (eighteen years ago)

PJ Harvey's "Dry" (the track, not the album...)

― Robot Chant (robotchant), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 20:10 (eighteen years ago)

feminism (as practiced in women's studies classes at small, liberal arts colleges) is kind of like an intellectual exercise in conspiracy theories for rich white girls.

― shookout (shookout), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 21:40 (eighteen years ago)

You should probably just dodge the "question" and play dance music, that's what it's for.

― what does it mean to you? (section241), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 21:48 (eighteen years ago)

feminism (as practiced in women's studies classes at small, liberal arts colleges) is kind of like an intellectual exercise in conspiracy theories for rich white girls.

Wow, man.

Ever heard of bell hooks? Angela Davis? Gloria Anzaldua? Robert Jensen? Emma Goldman?

Do some reading, friend.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 22:02 (eighteen years ago)

I didn't realize that Emma Goldman was still teaching at a small liberal-arts college. How is the old girl?

― milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 22:05 (eighteen years ago)

Still dancing. You know Emma.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Thursday, 5 October 2006 00:20 (eighteen years ago)

At least we got

http://bestmessageboardever.com/uploads/post-1452-1151871120.jpg
-- roc u like a § (jo...), October 2nd, 2006.

out of this.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Thursday, 5 October 2006 00:57 (eighteen years ago)

feminism (as practiced in women's studies classes at small, liberal arts colleges) is kind of like an intellectual exercise in conspiracy theories for rich white girls.

http://www.pokemonmillennium.com/images/games/channel/psyduck-news.jpg

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 5 October 2006 01:50 (eighteen years ago)

feminism (as practiced in women's studies classes at small, liberal arts colleges) is kind of like an intellectual exercise in conspiracy theories for rich white girls.

Yeah, except this conspiracy theories are backed by statistics (among everything else).

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 5 October 2006 05:52 (eighteen years ago)

Also, ever heard of postcolonial feminism?

It seems that the people who have the strongest opinions about feminism are the ones who know the least about it.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 5 October 2006 05:53 (eighteen years ago)

ever heard of postcoital feminism?

― timmy tannin (pompous), Thursday, 5 October 2006 06:06 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.csupomona.edu/~jcclark/encelia/charevol/img002.GIF

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 5 October 2006 13:02 (eighteen years ago)

Delta 5 "Anticipation"

― So Ho La (So Ho La), Thursday, 5 October 2006 13:04 (eighteen years ago)

yes, dubious statistics like the constantly bantered around "1 in 4 women have been sexually assaulted," which is b.s.

― shookout (shookout), Thursday, 5 October 2006 17:56 (eighteen years ago)

Well duh! I mean, you've never sexually assulted anyone, right?

― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 5 October 2006 18:07 (eighteen years ago)

yes, dubious statistics like the constantly bantered around "1 in 4 women have been sexually assaulted," which is b.s.

Lame, but not Psyduck worthy. Try harder!

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 5 October 2006 19:21 (eighteen years ago)

It seems that the people who have the strongest opinions about feminism are the ones who know the least about it.

-- Tuomas (lixnix...), October 5th, 2006.

OTM

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Thursday, 5 October 2006 19:26 (eighteen years ago)

http://imagescommerce.bcentral.com/merchantfiles/4951802/patbackwand.jpg

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 5 October 2006 19:53 (eighteen years ago)

Tuomas is beating Marc Loi at his own game he's not bold enough to play

― like murderinging (modestmickey), Thursday, 5 October 2006 19:54 (eighteen years ago)

TS: Feminist vs. Womanist, or, Gloria Steinhem vs. Alice Walker

― shookout (shookout), Friday, 6 October 2006 01:29 (eighteen years ago)

didn't noted feminists the Rolling Stones write a song abt Angela Davis?

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 6 October 2006 13:46 (eighteen years ago)

"Brown Sugar"?

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 6 October 2006 13:58 (eighteen years ago)

Seriously though, how can anyone like Bitch & Animal? I've seen them live a few times and they were completly terrible.

― shookout (shookout), Friday, 6 October 2006 13:58 (eighteen years ago)

google says "Sweet Black Angel" off Exile.

that's a sweet song. you should play that.

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 6 October 2006 14:20 (eighteen years ago)

It seems that the people who have the strongest opinions about feminism are the ones who know the least about it.

Kind of a stupid statement. I mean, Germaine Greer has a strong opinion about it. So did you tell her the same?

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Friday, 6 October 2006 14:40 (eighteen years ago)

ps I only posted an Anal Cunt song because someone requested it. Sry if it was a big deal or anything.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 7 October 2006 00:38 (eighteen years ago)

ten months pass...

is hoosteen new? he is quite a treat.
-- the classic sounds of the seventh of january 1998 (Enrique), Tuesday, October 3, 2006 9:46 AM

the dawn of hoostery

― gershy, Thursday, 30 August 2007 06:17 (seventeen years ago)

Tuomas, how did the party go, anyway? I still stand by my suggestions.

― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 30 August 2007 07:45 (seventeen years ago)

five months pass...

so many levels of wtf on this thread. what did you play, tuomas?

― gershy, Saturday, 2 February 2008 18:01 (seventeen years ago)

equality's an ideal, not one that seem attainable anymore.
for anyone- gender, race, etc.

-- edde (edde), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 17:46

― Bodrick III, Saturday, 2 February 2008 18:05 (seventeen years ago)

I can't remember what I played at the party this thread was about. For the last Women's Studies party I was in, I did this compilation which was sort of a history of female rappers, staring with The Sequence and ending with Estelle. That was fun to compile. Might put it up here, but I'm not sure what's the current policy with file sharing.

― Tuomas, Saturday, 2 February 2008 18:14 (seventeen years ago)

No Rock Bitch?

― chap, Saturday, 2 February 2008 18:16 (seventeen years ago)

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