IS TEH LCD SOUNDSYSTEMS' "Original Run" THE E2 E4 FOR OUR TIME?

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― roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

this is actually pretty good, tho will test as workout music before deciding for real!

― Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know if I want to shell out $9.99 :/

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

THAT COVER REMINDS ME OF:

― disappointing goth fest line-up (orion), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

MUSIC TO POOP 2

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

"The band tapped for the latest Nike+ installment specializes in icy, dancefloor-friendly indie rock that has so far appealed primarily to coked-up Brooklynites. Sound like an ironic pairing with a workout soundtrack? The key insight here is that dance music is dance music, and it's motivating for a workout, even if it is idiosyncratic and referential to sources you are never going to be able to find in the dated, subcultural black holes that inform LCD Soundsystem."

Oh yes, indeed.

― matt2 (matt2), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

Dammit. Matt beat me to it.

― Rodney is a group! (R. J. Greene), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

I mean what is this part, in particular, saying: "even if it is idiosyncratic and referential to sources you are never going to be able to find in the dated, subcultural black holes that inform LCD Soundsystem." So the track references sources that we won't be able find in the dated, subcultural black holes that inform the band. Where do we find them then? Coked-up Brooklynites, please inform.

― matt2 (matt2), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

http://gamesmuseum.uwaterloo.ca/VirtualExhibits/electronic/battery/battleship/batbox.JPG
Manuel Göttsching OST

― blunt (blunt), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

are there hacks to get rid of the iTunes only-play-this-song-on-five-computers-bullshit?

― jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

Ripsters?

― Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

you could remove the drm with a program

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

how many computers do you want to play it on?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

― Christopher Costello (CGC), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

i mean is it available through a p2p

― jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

sendspace?

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

Ripsters?

I READ NICK SYLVESTER TOO

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

BO KNOWS DANCE-ROCK

― shabba ranks (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QTFairUse

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.rocketgrande.com/images/lcd_soundsystem_02.jpg

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.msanthrope.com/jamesmurphy/JMpics/j-obit-lasagna.jpg

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

The greater your weight, the lower your IQ, say scientists

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

The greater your weight, the lower your IQ, say scientists
uh huh huh huh ha
The greater your weight, the lower your IQ, say scientists
uh huh huh huh ha

Zinc has very paradoxical effects in the body:
small amounts over a short period of time enhance immunity
larger amounts over longer periods suppress immunity.

[cowbells]

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

This is the thread where we turn news items into LCD Soundsystem songs

― Rodney is a group! (R. J. Greene), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

that'll be funny for about -5 seconds

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

This is a thread where a killjoy bitches within 5 posts of the thread being started?

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

A lil sumn sumn like that.

― Rodney is a group! (R. J. Greene), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

i'm into that one.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

To be completely honest, though, I'm super excited to hear it.

― matt2 (matt2), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 23:50 (nineteen years ago)

i had a weird ilx dream last night that i was shopping at other music (which had been bizarrely condensed into a extraordinarily long hallway) . after reaching one end of it i was pleased to see that Drew Daniel was about to start an in-store performance. except that he was dressed/make up'd like Klaus Nomi and only played LCD Soundsystem songs.

wtf?

― ▒█▄█ ▄▄▄ ▒█▄█ , Wednesday, 18 October 2006 00:31 (nineteen years ago)

maybe that was real and you are dreaming now!!!!

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 00:52 (nineteen years ago)

i had a weird ilx dream last night
i had a weird ilx dream last night
i had a weird ilx dream last night
i had a weird ilx dream last night
i had a weird ilx dream last night
i had a weird ilx dream last night
i had a weird ilx dream last night
i had a weird ilx dream last night
i had a weird ilx dream last night
i had a weird ilx dream last night

― Shoes say, yeah, no hands clap your good bra. (goodbra), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 02:36 (nineteen years ago)

so, is this thing good? has anyone heard it? I was going to buy it tomorrow, but it'd be nice to have at least some idea before shelling out...

― jackl (jackl), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 03:00 (nineteen years ago)

first, give us your body mass index.

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 03:22 (nineteen years ago)

[insert James Murphy fat joke]

― Rodney is a group! (R. J. Greene), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 03:35 (nineteen years ago)

Please, please, fuck off, lfamular.

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 07:14 (nineteen years ago)

Hmm... Knight takes Queen. What's on your mind, Sebastian?

― Bjorn Deleuze (Ocelot Wildly), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 07:15 (nineteen years ago)

That said, I'm actually not clear what this even is from the link (and I can't open iTunes at work). Is it new songs? A mix?

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 07:16 (nineteen years ago)

A really, really, really long-ass new song, kind of. For which the DFA have received filthy Nike lucres.

― Telephonething (Telephonething), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 07:39 (nineteen years ago)

i've been listening to it all morning. it's really fucking good. almost makes me want to get fit again. i got YSIed it so i don't think there's issues with 5 plays and drm nonsense

― matagouri (matagouri), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

YSI?

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 12:32 (nineteen years ago)

srsly.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

SRSLY!!!

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

I'M SERIOUS, MUHFUCKAS!

― Rodney is a group! (R. J. Greene), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

wow, i guess i hit a chord

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

F#maj7.

― Shoes say, yeah, no hands clap your good bra. (goodbra), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

YSI.

― jackl (jackl), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

second try.

― jackl (jackl), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

I bought it yesterday from iTunes. It's more like three songs than one, but yes, it's very very good. I'm going to be listening to it a lot. While I work out. Sigh.

― Douglas (Douglas), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

Jackl with the hahas.

― Rodney is a group! (R. J. Greene), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

is it $0.99 from itunes? if it is, come on people, we might as well all just pony up.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

No, it's $9.99.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

Your decimal point is in the wrong place.

xpost, bah.

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

"kiss me again and again" is stuck in my head

― W i l l (common_person), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

I just bought it. Sounds pretty good on first listen.

― jackl (jackl), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

Just US? sucky...

― willem -- (willem), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

YSI

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

ysi?

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.pielter.org/YSI/Images/YSI_Locations.gif

― jackl (jackl), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

i didn't do anything....

http://www.yousendit.com/download/RTQzOhlABIc%3D

― oranges are delicious (CGC), Thursday, 19 October 2006 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

ATTN: YSI CREW

― ▒█▄█ ▄▄▄ ▒█▄█ , Thursday, 19 October 2006 00:48 (nineteen years ago)

oranges, you are a prince!

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 19 October 2006 00:49 (nineteen years ago)

RETURN OF THE YSI CREW:

http://gallery.teejaded.com/albums/GL17/PICT1374.jpg

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 19 October 2006 00:52 (nineteen years ago)

Orson died for our sins

― ▒█▄█ ▄▄▄ ▒█▄█ , Thursday, 19 October 2006 01:27 (nineteen years ago)

― disappointing goth fest line-up (orion), Thursday, 19 October 2006 03:03 (nineteen years ago)

wow, i guess i hit a chord
-- a name means a lot just by itself (lfamula...), October 18th, 2006.

I guess so. I just consistently hope for more out of this shit than the likes of not-even-well-played fat jokes from liberal arts school pricks.

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 19 October 2006 08:02 (nineteen years ago)

really? at this late date?

― shabba ranks (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 19 October 2006 13:00 (nineteen years ago)

dude, last I checked jw and I have science degrees, shove your liberal arts

― mh. (mike h.), Thursday, 19 October 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

If you play the HELLO MY FUTURE GIRLFRIEND wav over this, it sounds rad!

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 19 October 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

really? at this late date?

Well, I guess the truth is no. I suppose I put on this 'shocked and mortified' thing when people make mean jokes, unless they're genuinely funny. And I am massively, hugely fat.

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 19 October 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

pix plz

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 19 October 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.anniescostumes.com/ru15634a.jpg

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 19 October 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

Hot.

― Rodney is a group! (R. J. Greene), Thursday, 19 October 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

liberal arts school pricks lol, that's like half of ilm

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 19 October 2006 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

and god knows how many of its idols

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 19 October 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

the noise board is all social science misfits

― yours fondly, harshaw. (mrgn), Thursday, 19 October 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

I Love Books = trade school kids

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 19 October 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

Ask a Drunk = seminarians / divinity

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 19 October 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

I Make Music = paralegals / dental hygienists

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 19 October 2006 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

on the real though, ILE is basically a lot of stupid people w/ passable PHP + SQL skills, right?

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Thursday, 19 October 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

ile is basically... the people who post to other ilx boards... talking about mostly different stuff

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

i disagree.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

i don't think i care enough to defend my opinion!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

only 5minutes in and it's soooo fucking good. are those chicago house style vocals a sample? i originally thought they newly recorded, but then i heard the voice sorta get clipped

― jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

best thing i've heard all year. compiles 3 things i've been totally obsessed with this year (Chicago House, Italo & Ash Ra Temple) into one track.

― jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

don't forget Nike and 2006 buzzword "long tail marketing agendas" (per the press release)

― ▒█▄█ ▄▄▄ ▒█▄█ , Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

MAKES ME WANNA RUN!

― jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.nike.com/nikeskateboarding/v2/letter/letter.gif

― nervous (cochere), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

i think this is kinda amazing

― shabba ranks (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 19 October 2006 23:40 (nineteen years ago)

I think the vocals in the 4:45 - 12:00 range don't really work... other than that I really really like it. Is it silly that I actually want to give running to this a try?

I'm kind of bummed that its a Nike/I-Tunes/$10 thing though.... I feel like a piece of this magnitude should be a limited promo CD with some great packaging or come on a DFA-Lighning-bolt-shaped thumb-drive or something.

Where's Galkin on this one?

― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 20 October 2006 01:25 (nineteen years ago)

I meant 4:45-7:00 range.

― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 20 October 2006 01:26 (nineteen years ago)

DFA-Lighning-bolt-shaped thumb-drive or something

I guess a shoosh-shaped thumb drive is probably more realistic.

― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 20 October 2006 01:27 (nineteen years ago)

swoosh, even.

― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 20 October 2006 01:28 (nineteen years ago)

hahahahaha:

http://www.generationmp3.com/gadgets/images/Peripherique%20Ordinateur/cle%20usb/nike_usb_drive.jpg

― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 20 October 2006 01:29 (nineteen years ago)

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5315/swooshei2.gif

― jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 20 October 2006 01:45 (nineteen years ago)

^^^^^^
SHOOSH

― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 20 October 2006 01:51 (nineteen years ago)

DFA gets it back in six months, and they'll be giving it the vinyl treatment, etc....

― jackl (jackl), Friday, 20 October 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

srsly? where'd you read that?

― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 20 October 2006 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

Murphy mentions it on the DFA forums. There's a huge OMG WHY YOO SELLINGS OUT?!?! thread in the LCD Soundsystem forum, it's kind of amusing.

― Telephonething (Telephonething), Friday, 20 October 2006 02:44 (nineteen years ago)

on the lcd message board. posted by james murphy after the fans accused him of selling out.

everybody relax. i'm on a major label in most fucking territories anyway! didn't i already sell out a million times already? jesus.

anyway, i don't like nike, and when i was asked, i was totally not into it. it really wasn't a ton of money or anything either. the truth is, it was straight up a good challenge, musically. i thought it was kind of funny that it was workout music etc., and so i made something to distract me from the LP and give me a new perspective on it. it totally did, and now the record is way better.

i'm seriously not here to be anybody's fucking indie poster boy. i'm 36 years old, for fuck's sake. i measure what i do, my ethics, my success or failure on terms like "is this good music?" and "am i getting out of my comfort zone to do something real?" i think we make better music than other people. i know it's not cool to say, but i do. we work really hard and fucking try to balance making music that works as well as pushes things forward every day, and that's my life. if that's not good enough for you, there are plenty of fucking boring indie bands out there sucking the life out of music, but, most assuredly, NOT doing anything that could be considered "selling out". go buy their records, then call me in 5 years and tell me if you give a shit about a single thing they made.

well--great. karma's a whore. someone just smashed the rear window of my beat-ass volvo 240 wagon, so there's $150 in the toilet. and it's raining.

i would have kept blathering on about this, but it seems i have to go cover the hole with a garbage bag or something.

shit.

aaanyway, i really like this album (or whatever you want to call it). kinda pissed off that i had to pay $10 for a 128kps mp3. but whatever. vinyl should be fun.

― Christopher Costello (CGC), Friday, 20 October 2006 02:47 (nineteen years ago)

the first 20 minutes of this are just mindblowing ... the part that's all whooshy pompom-style microhouse w/ ringing glockenspiel is the best sound i've ever heard in my life.

the 2nd half not so much. or maybe it hasn't sunk in because i keep rewinding back to hear the first half.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Friday, 20 October 2006 03:10 (nineteen years ago)

did u get cassette???

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 20 October 2006 03:14 (nineteen years ago)

i put it one both sides of a c90

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Friday, 20 October 2006 03:17 (nineteen years ago)

uhh, new ysi?? the old one is broke

― Fetchboy (Felcher), Friday, 20 October 2006 04:44 (nineteen years ago)

I suppose I put on this 'shocked and mortified' thing when people make mean jokes, unless they're genuinely funny.

fwiw I agree with you on the meanness but that joke was sort of topical since it's a workout song. just sayin!

― dmr (Renard), Friday, 20 October 2006 04:51 (nineteen years ago)

i've been staying away from the dfa forum lately.

i liked reading james' reasons for the project though. its kind of like eno doing music for airports. and nickelback doing albums to lift weights to.

― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 20 October 2006 06:32 (nineteen years ago)

and vahid totally otm. its all about the 9:00 - 28:00 section. i keep playing that over and over.

― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 20 October 2006 07:26 (nineteen years ago)

This is really good. And I'm wearing a pair of Nike kicks, thank you James Murphy subliminal advertising man!

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Friday, 20 October 2006 09:05 (nineteen years ago)

think the vocals in the 4:45 - 12:00 range don't really work...

I fucking love the vocals.

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Friday, 20 October 2006 09:09 (nineteen years ago)

Love love loving this. Can imagine it working well for its intended purpose, too.

― toby (tsg20), Friday, 20 October 2006 09:13 (nineteen years ago)

i think i listened to this about 6 times last night. definitely number one...something. can't decide if single or album at this point.

― shabba ranks (dubplatestyle), Friday, 20 October 2006 10:33 (nineteen years ago)

To keep the praise showers flowing, this feels wholly impressive. It seems to cover so many of the sounds that have held my interest this year, like a 45 minute mix of all new songs by the same artist that totally works. And as for the 9:00 to 28:00 section being the "single" of this album, I'd have to stretch that back to about the 1:00 mark just because it would have to have the housey piano. Luscious.

― matt2 (matt2), Friday, 20 October 2006 12:35 (nineteen years ago)

The hype's drawing me in.
Is there any way to get this without using iTunes? I only have the interwebs at work.

― Magnakai (Magnakai), Friday, 20 October 2006 12:43 (nineteen years ago)

Also - good albums that are one song?

― Magnakai (Magnakai), Friday, 20 October 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

this sounds like James Murphy's attempt to remake From Here to Eternity

cool

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

if that's not good enough for you, there are plenty of fucking boring indie bands out there sucking the life out of music, but, most assuredly, NOT doing anything that could be considered "selling out". go buy their records, then call me in 5 years and tell me if you give a shit about a single thing they made.

Had Murphy left this part out of his rant, I would have said "JM OTM"...

― gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Friday, 20 October 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

The art looks mspaintish

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Friday, 20 October 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

there are plenty of fucking boring indie bands out there sucking the life out of music

like Pony?

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 20 October 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

this sounds like James Murphy's attempt to remake Tubular Bells.

― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 20 October 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

I like the vocals too, I think they're mixed kind of shitty though. (The "lead" vocals, not the ones that choir-background ones; i love those.)

Otherwsie, I am fucking loving this. Its killing me to pause it every time the phone rings here at work.

― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 20 October 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

"Ash Ra Pimple - New Age Of Girth

HAW HAW HAW"

― gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Friday, 20 October 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

ZING!

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Friday, 20 October 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

"I guess so. I just consistently hope for more out of this shit than the likes of not-even-well-played fat jokes from liberal arts school pricks."

you must not read much of the threads here.
that said, i find it amusing.
thin skins should hide here------>o

― edde (edde), Friday, 20 October 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

fattys are just mad because
people can HELP one another
instead of always putting out their hands to crush

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Saturday, 21 October 2006 05:43 (nineteen years ago)

I'm a little surprised no one's slsk'in this yet.

Give it away give it away give it away give it away now.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Saturday, 21 October 2006 05:54 (nineteen years ago)

YSI link died. Someone wanna email this to me?

― T. Weiss (Timmy), Saturday, 21 October 2006 07:08 (nineteen years ago)

^ not my real email above

― T. Weiss (Timmy), Saturday, 21 October 2006 07:09 (nineteen years ago)

YSI Link

― jaxon (jaxon), Saturday, 21 October 2006 07:16 (nineteen years ago)

someone did that joke already.

― something less threatening (heywood), Saturday, 21 October 2006 07:28 (nineteen years ago)

This is great.

I've just got to the slowed-down "This is my favourite song" bit.

― Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Saturday, 21 October 2006 08:15 (nineteen years ago)

And the "You're out in space" bit... And the horns... YES!

― Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Saturday, 21 October 2006 08:18 (nineteen years ago)

I love the way it switches from live to electronic drums (and instrumentation generally) and back so seamlessly.

And it's got a trombone solo!

― Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Saturday, 21 October 2006 08:20 (nineteen years ago)

And the close is *gorgeous*.

What a beautiful thing.

It's odd that it should come from something so mundane and uninspiring as jogging, so commercial, crass and morally compromised as a Nike/Itunes tie-up and yet be so ... itself.

Record of the year.

― Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Saturday, 21 October 2006 08:39 (nineteen years ago)

i wish he had had the balls to make 45 minutes of subtle variances on the 8min to 16min theme. then it might be a contender

― ▒█▄█ ▄▄▄ ▒█▄█ , Saturday, 21 October 2006 11:02 (nineteen years ago)

I'm a little surprised no one's slsk'in this yet.
I had about 3 people slsk it from me yesterday.

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Saturday, 21 October 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

Should I be worried that I like this more than the regular LCD Soundsystem releases?

― StanM (StanM), Saturday, 21 October 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

This is the first LCD soundsystem thing I've ever enjoyed. I've even seen them live and been completely unimpressed. But I think this is great.

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Saturday, 21 October 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

Should I be worried that I like this more than the regular LCD Soundsystem releases?

no, not at all. this is much more in the vein of their "DFA remix" work, or their early "beat connection" / "yeah" work.

the real sellout = lcd soundsystem album turning into dire song-based material.

TIM GOLDSWORTHY FOR PRESIDENT OF TEH DFA

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Saturday, 21 October 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

LOVIGN HAND FOR PRESIDETN

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 21 October 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

Are we really not allowed to do this any more?

― Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Saturday, 21 October 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

this shit would go over real well with a jam band crowd

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 21 October 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

especially the stereolab / tortoise / jam band crossover crew

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Saturday, 21 October 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

is JAMS MURPHY the

a) arthur russell
b) walter gibbons
c) larry levan
d) louie vega
e) andrew weatherall

of our time

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Saturday, 21 October 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

i'm imagining this sounds a little like the theme from "chariots of fire"?

― dh (djh), Saturday, 21 October 2006 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

what's up with the fade out into hookless reverb canyon outro?

2future4u?

― yours fondly, harshaw. (mrgn), Saturday, 21 October 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/847/cryingeagle8oq.jpg

― Kudos, spaz-boy (Pareene), Saturday, 21 October 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

Are we really not allowed to do this any more?

-- Jamie T Smith (smarmyjif...), October 21st, 2006 1:14 PM. (Jamie T Smith)

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― am0n (am0n), Saturday, 21 October 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe I'm stating the obvious, but Nike has a long history of flagrant human rights abuses. This pre-emptive move to re-cool the brand for the demographic of hip young progressive kids (who would otherwise be pressuring the company to, you know, maybe consider letting their workers unionize and maybe pay them a living wage) is fucking genius and also totally evil. Make no mistake: music writers who help hype this bullshit are making themselves complicit in this evil.

Alas the culture of snark makes it nigh impossible to substantively question the encroachment of neoliberal economics. Am I old-fashioned or naive becauswe I don't like it that music culture serves to reinforce rather than contest corporate control over our lives?

Seriously, fuck Wieden & Kennedy.

― Kevin Erickson (charmingtedious), Saturday, 21 October 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

"the culture of snark"!

― Kudos, spaz-boy (Pareene), Saturday, 21 October 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

kevin, go listen to some hippy drum circles in the park

― jaxon (jaxon), Saturday, 21 October 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

"neoliberal economics"

― am0n (am0n), Saturday, 21 October 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

Jaxon, my sincere thanks for so concisely demonstrating what i meant by "culture of snark".

― Kevin Erickson (charmingtedious), Saturday, 21 October 2006 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

Faith Popcorn to thread:

Tylenols Ouch campaign

― ▒█▄█ ▄▄▄ ▒█▄█ , Saturday, 21 October 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

Nike has a long history of flagrant human rights abuses.

I've never heard this argument before, can you elaborate?

― mh. (mike h.), Saturday, 21 October 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

Well okay, a good place to start is the corporate watchdog http://knowmore.org which give Nike the worst possible rating in all 5 areas it monitors: human rights, workers rights, ethics, political influence & litigation, environmental, & fair trade/globalization.

― Kevin Erickson (charmingtedious), Saturday, 21 October 2006 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

they also don't make enough shoes in my size.

― bo janglin (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 21 October 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

I'm the child of a South American socialist revolutionary, but I wear Nike Dunk SBs. LCD Soundsystem making a song for Nike does not mean legitimising or supporting teh capitalist exploitatioration. It's just "oh let's make a forty five minute jogging song for some cash".

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Saturday, 21 October 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

is it clear how much Nike is actually profiting from this vs. taking a loss on it as a branding thing like the Tylenol Ouch campaign?

also, it looks like Crystal Method was the first in this Nike series.

Lets guess who will be next.

― researching ur life (grady), Saturday, 21 October 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

http://pinkdome.com/archives/pelosi.jpg
These posts continue to demonstrate the sarcasm, flippancy, and the complete lack of concern about neoliberal economic policy that define ILM's culture of snark.

― Kudos, spaz-boy (Pareene), Saturday, 21 October 2006 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

as they're not really paying to distribute it and charging $10 a pop, i imagine they can't be taking much of a loss.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 21 October 2006 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

only one person on this thread seems to have payed the $10.

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 21 October 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

This also differs substantially from the Ouch! campaign in that this is part of Nike's long campaign to try and repair its image that was substantially tarnished in the late 90s and early 2000s by high profile sweatshop activism, especially on college campuses. Since GWB's stupid-ass iraq invasion, campus activists haven't had the resources to push the anti-sweatshop cause as much; their focus has been elsewhere, thus giving Nike an opening. And they've been doing everything they can to exploit it.

― Kevin Erickson (charmingtedious), Saturday, 21 October 2006 22:27 (nineteen years ago)

Has anyone made a Godsmack joke yet?

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 21 October 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

Am I old-fashioned or naive becauswe I don't like it that music culture serves to reinforce rather than contest corporate control over our lives?

None of this comes as "naive" to me (though it's debatably naive to think LCDS didn't know what they were getting into when they decided to work for Nike). I don't own any Nikes, but I do think this track sounds good, and "works" for my needs. That doesn't help the people who (I'm sure) Nike exploits, but then if the only thing "music culture" did was help Nike, I'd be more apt not to say I like this music.

Alas the culture of snark makes it nigh impossible to substantively question the encroachment of neoliberal economics

perhaps like another culture makes it feel nigh impossible to say "yes, this is good music" without fearing the political repercussions

― Dominique (dleone), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, are you saying that you, personally, fear political repercussions for saying you enjoy the music?

― Kevin Erickson (charmingtedious), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

kevin you are stupid

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

that's not snark, that's straight talk

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

no he isn't. that aspect of the track's background is certainly worth talking about.

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:47 (nineteen years ago)

why?

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:48 (nineteen years ago)

it's not worth talking about because

music culture serves to reinforce rather than contest corporate control over our lives

is a pretty stupid statement.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.otm-corp.com/image/top_img3.jpg

― josh. (disco stu), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:55 (nineteen years ago)

also forgive me for not holding my breath for a coherent explanation of how denying trade w/ third world nations is going to drag them out of poverty.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:56 (nineteen years ago)

he's talking specifically about this music, this track. i don' think it's a stupid statement at all. i don't think that what Jams murphy said in defense of making the track is stupid either fwiw.

xxp

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

maybe if i spent my $9.99 on a batik shawl at the UNICEF store ...

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

well, i should clarify, i said "I don't like that music culture serves to reinforce corporate control" when I meant: "I don't like it when music culture serves to reinforce..." Obviously it doesn't always, but this is clearly Nike's intent with this campaign.

― Kevin Erickson (charmingtedious), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:59 (nineteen years ago)

ok but you still haven't explained to me why you don't live in a cave

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:59 (nineteen years ago)

i mean, if you're concerned about corporate control, surely you wouldn't be fucking around on the internet?

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:59 (nineteen years ago)

HUNTA-V, I haven't argued for halting trade with third world countries either, spare me the strawperson bullshit. I would just like to see folks in the third world get a living wage, the right to unionize, basic rights like unsupervised bathroom breaks etc.

― Kevin Erickson (charmingtedious), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

Apparently the discourse has shifted so far rightward that "having any concerns about human rights & centralized corporate power" is synonymous with "crazy cavedwelling hermit"! Awesome! Hooray for America!

― Kevin Erickson (charmingtedious), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

And equally illegaly downloading a track made for an evil corporation onto our computers for free makes us complicit in blah blah etc. ?

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:13 (nineteen years ago)

show me the right to unionize the indonesians had in the 1950s, before nike showed up. show me the living wage they had before nike showed up.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:14 (nineteen years ago)

FWIW the image i posted was from the otm corporation.

― josh. (disco stu), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

i am so glad you're that so concerned for people's right to an unsupervised bathroom break that you feel the need to hector strangers about their music-buying choices.

thanks kevin.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:16 (nineteen years ago)

before you hector us anymore with the uncorroborated/uncited bitching of anonymous canadian trade unionists, before you give me any more stale talk about "human rights" and "ethics"

in another muslim country, in the late 1940s, the united states sponsored a coup against the democratically elected leader. it was because they wanted to develop the country's oil resources. said country was so fed up w/ british colonial control of their oil resources that they had spent the 1940s cozying up, first to adolf hitler, and then to stalin.

i have spent the last twenty years of my life hearing people tell me about "the CIA fuck up this country this, the CIA fuck up that country that". thanks to the CIA, i was born in a country where there was no right to due legal process, abductions by a secret police, secret torture chambers, etc.

now, forget for a second the bit about cozying up to the russians and that really no sane person would have rather grown up in yugoslavia or afghanistan.

forget for a second that before the US showed up, there was no right to due legal process, abductions by the secret police, public hangings and beheadings, secret torture chambers, a culture of religious intolerance, few professional opportunities for women, etc.

thanks to US investment in MY nation, my grandfather was able to get a job with the phone company (owned by ROSS PEROT of all people). because of that, his children were able to attend university (he himself had not done so). my father was able to get a job in america, and was moved to america and given a visa BY his company when there was the revolution (at which point we reverted from a pro-american virtual police state to an islamic real-life police state w/ public execution of homosexuals, jews, christians, baha'is, adulterers, communists etc ... did i tell you michel foucault supported this revolution?)

meanwhile on my mother's side of the family, my grandfather got a PhD sponsored by the bechtel corporation (he went on to teach at LSU) and his children attended university too.

the end of the story is that i grew up in america, the child of well-educated, liberal (though religious and socially conservative) parents, who instilled in me a strong sense of civic duty.

as a result of all that, i wasted my BS in chemistry from UC berkeley becoming a a teacher, and spending my saturday mornings - my DAY OFF, motherfucker - working at a community college from 8-3 pm, giving free SAT prep classes and college essay writing workshops for the poor children of itinerant mexican laborers who would like to attend CSU colleges.

instead of doing something fun, like, y'know, jogging w/ my ipod.

so how dare you talk to me about corporate control of my life??

SHUT THE FUCK UP, JACKASS.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:31 (nineteen years ago)

and if i ever get to take a summer trip in europe w/ these kids (like all the trustafarian prep school kids do) then i'm sure as fuck going to take them to sistine chapel, i don't give a fuck where michaelangelo's goddamn paycheck came from or what the catholic church did to their native american great-great-great-grandparents.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:35 (nineteen years ago)

have you ever noticed the "adbusters" crowd are the dumbest, most easily-led motherfucers on the planet?

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:37 (nineteen years ago)

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:53 (nineteen years ago)

I heard you have a portfolio of every good investment ever done by any capitalist nation. Every great coup by the imperialists. All the oil resources. All the British colonialists. I heard you have dossiers on every CIA covert ops mission. I heard that you have a white label of every great Ross Perot investment. I heard that you have every PhD sponsored by the Bechtel corporation.

I hear that you and your friends have sold SAT lessons and bought iPods.
I hear that you and your band have sold your iPods and given SAT lessons.

― ▒█▄█ ▄▄▄ ▒█▄█ , Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:54 (nineteen years ago)

Foucault wanted fucking kids, family members and anyone who didn't want you fucking them legal, so the fact that he supported x political thingy isn't really remarkable.

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:55 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and your tale of positive US imperialism will be a doozy for the next trip I have to some of my relatives' graves!

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:57 (nineteen years ago)

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9921/hulk911jk8.jpg

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:58 (nineteen years ago)

i have relatives in graves too, asshole, but i don't use them to win talking points on the internet

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:59 (nineteen years ago)

I hardly think they're going to notice.

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Sunday, 22 October 2006 01:02 (nineteen years ago)

good point

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Sunday, 22 October 2006 01:02 (nineteen years ago)

akufen @ rx tonight vahid

fluffy_bunnies.jpg

― josh. (disco stu), Sunday, 22 October 2006 01:06 (nineteen years ago)

Although if they come back to haunt me latino dead are generally more fun, so I think I'm cool.

http://www.embellishments.us/images/halloween/day-of-the-dead.jpg

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Sunday, 22 October 2006 01:07 (nineteen years ago)

vahid i dont see why you think this is such a totally useless thing to discuss. i like the track a lot, sure, but it disturbs me that it's sponsored by a company that has consistently acted in a manner that i find frankly abhorrent... no one is condemning it out of hand, nor are they denying it any kind of "artisitic merit" outside of its coporate connections (whatever the hell that might mean), and just because kevin is taking a "hard-left" position (and i don't really think he is, but let's pretend) doesn't mean that this is like the most irrational concern we might have. you don't have to be a fucking pinko to be more than a little disturbed by nike's long history of human rights violations, and the issue of our complicity in those as music fans supporting a nike-sponsored piece of music is an complicated and sort of necessary thing to discuss...

― max (maxreax), Sunday, 22 October 2006 05:23 (nineteen years ago)

Dom, you are mad wrong.

― Rodney is a group! (R. J. Greene), Sunday, 22 October 2006 05:57 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway,

I think the vocals in the 4:45 - 12:00 range don't really work

How true. I need to edit them out, they're soooo bad. Than it goes on forever and finally gets to the really good bit (the ambient stuff at the end). Typically LCD hit&miss/"let's connect some random cool records from my collection" affair I guess.

― Omar (Omar), Sunday, 22 October 2006 07:49 (nineteen years ago)

Shame on you.

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Sunday, 22 October 2006 11:29 (nineteen years ago)

Just telling it like it is. :) But the ambient bit really is good, maybe I'll just edit out the faux Arthur Russell part too.

― Omar (Omar), Sunday, 22 October 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

If you play the middle third of the track backward, I heard that you can make out James Murphy reading the intro to "No Logo" in the background.

I think that I'm intellectually capable of discussing and listening to a song that's a shoe tie-in without showing de facto support for sweatshops. Look, I am beating the system! I can listen to their song without buying their shoes, so their promotional campaign was all in vain. I don't especially believe that, but it's about as trite as the idea that approval of this song is tacit approval of Nike.

You can say that there's blood on James Murphy's hands if you like, but this "music culture serves to reinforce corporate control" crap is the worst sort of reductionist bullshit that cheapens the argument to the point where the only people who will give it any credibility are those on some sort of witch hunt. Which is fine, but that minority stopped buying Nikes years ago.

srsly, it's 2006, and companies are going to keep using cheap labor until it's no longer economically viable. you can keep plugging away at the social viability angle for another decade if you want, though.

― mh. (mike h.), Sunday, 22 October 2006 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

So... when they say "work out baby" they really actually mean that babies have to work outside? That's it, I'm never fitnessing again.

― StanM (StanM), Sunday, 22 October 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

buy the track, dance to the track, love the track...and don't buy any Nike sneakers.

Seriously, this is like saying it's wrong to watch a football match if the team's sponsored by Nike.

― jackl (jackl), Sunday, 22 October 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

sorry - by "this" I mean the view that it is ethically questionable to buy an LCD Soundsystem track which has been commissioned by Nike...

― jackl (jackl), Sunday, 22 October 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

Download the track YSI style, already own ten pairs of Nike sneakers.

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Sunday, 22 October 2006 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

haha.

Actually, download the track YSI style, and then pay 10 illegal immigrant children one cent per hour to play it live for you all night.

― jackl (jackl), Sunday, 22 October 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

Fucks sakes if you're really gonna get worried about the relationship between dodgy corporations and the music industry you'd probably be better off worrying about the toxic waste-dumping chemical companies that manufacture the materials for CDs. People only care about Nike cos they're visible.

Anyway sistine chapel ceiling otm.

― Jacob (Jacob), Sunday, 22 October 2006 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

Unrelated to this, the best song I've ever used to run to was "The Wind Cries Mary" by Hendrix. I think it has to do with the toms in the song pushing you forward.

― Period period period (Period period period), Sunday, 22 October 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

i know what i said upthread was snarky, but it's true. if you really don't want to support socially irrisponsible capitalist america, go listen to something not controlled by capitalist america. peace, hippy

― jaxon (jaxon), Sunday, 22 October 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

i love the first vocals in the song! it sounds like a beardo foreigner edit or something.

― bo janglin (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 22 October 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

Oh you people are all such goddamn hippies.

This song is great.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Sunday, 22 October 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sorry to ask an obvious question, but if i pay 9.99, is any of the money actually going to Nike?

― Tape Store (Tape Store), Monday, 23 October 2006 00:05 (nineteen years ago)

i think the vocals are great too.

feeeeelllsssssliiiiiiiiketheverrrryyyyyyfffffffiirrssttttttimmmmmmmmmmeeeee

xpost, yes, all of it.

― josh. (disco stu), Monday, 23 October 2006 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

Sendspace?

― am0n (am0n), Monday, 23 October 2006 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

and if you play the song backwards on yr shoepod or whatever, there are subliminal messages encouraging you to buy more nike products.

xp again

― josh. (disco stu), Monday, 23 October 2006 00:11 (nineteen years ago)

a lot of the money goes to apple, most of the money goes to Nike, some of the money goes to James, probably.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 23 October 2006 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

as long as he doesn't let nike go downtown i'm fine with it

― josh. (disco stu), Monday, 23 October 2006 00:19 (nineteen years ago)

Knowing that, i really do feel fine illeg. downloading it; i'm going to buy it from DFA when they get it back in 6 months anyway. Sure, i've accidentally supported sweatshop-using companies before, but i'm not knowingly going to do it...I buy second-hand clothes for reasons other than price.

Oh, and is it unsafe to download using a website hosting the song? If so, then OH NO!

― Tape Store (Tape Store), Monday, 23 October 2006 00:19 (nineteen years ago)

in my experience so far working at a label, i would be opposed to something like this not necessarily because of the sweatshop connection (tho that's kinda gross), but generally because i've found the bigger corporations who are interested in using indie music to be basically asking small companies to hand over content in terms of visibility. i hope lcd and dfa got a good deal out of this, but i wouldn't be surprised if, in the long run (bad pun), all promises made weren't executed. but that's their business, not mine.

i certainly won't get into specifics on a public forum but i recently had the experience where a very large corporation asked for content from a band i work with in exchange for promotion, and then didn't follow-through at all. which really sucked because the company in question has much more capital (like, exponentially more) than the company i work for.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 October 2006 00:24 (nineteen years ago)

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6307/dewarsbl6.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2678/chanmarshallcz4.jpg

― ▒█▄█ ▄▄▄ ▒█▄█ , Monday, 23 October 2006 01:12 (nineteen years ago)

i'm liking this

― am0n (am0n), Monday, 23 October 2006 01:15 (nineteen years ago)

xp - roffle

― am0n (am0n), Monday, 23 October 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

i don't work with cat power. and chan doesn't drink any more.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 October 2006 01:19 (nineteen years ago)

people fuck each over all the time. the world is rife withe examples of small companies, big companies, the self-employed, the big corporations, the government, non-profits, do-gooders, and Sneetches treating each other like shit. And that list includes the hundreds of indie labels and prima donna impresarios who have dicked over their artists over the past 50 yeras. I feel kind of bad that some people willingly enter what I would describe as leveraged contractual relationships, but it seems to me that James went willingly into this one. Hell, at least Nike is fucking INTERESTED in what he does, as opposed to the hundreds of other would-be mixmasters, DJs, and starry-eyed loop shoppers who couldn't get attention with snuff film soundtrack. Not that much money James? Then fuck you for not getting more...if you say it's "not a ton of money" then you're telling me you don't think it's worth very much. Well, I'm glad you did tell me it wasn't "a ton of money" because then I feel better for "not buying it." (And FWIW, I'm putting the number that LCD got paid for this at somewhere around $60K minimum.)

It's a great track. dammit, do we have to have some worthless philosophical discussion every time the cliched, moronic concept of "selling out" comes up?

― don weiner (don weiner), Monday, 23 October 2006 01:58 (nineteen years ago)

Nike has been interested in the underground music scene since the early 90s, when Nirvana hit.

Negativland got asked by Nike to do a cut up of their stuff for $$$. The band, of course, were brainstorming on how to subvert the work they were doing, but realized -- for what they do -- there was no way they could mess with Nike without basically publicizing them, so they said no. The Nike ad agencies apparently were all ";_;, but we played your stuff when we were in college radio, man." and the Negs had to spell out their whole raison d'etre.

Anyway, I know a lot of people here don't care for Negativland, and that's not the point.. point is, Nike's been working this angle and progressing at it for well over a decade.

It got really ethically bad when they did the Minor Threat thing. They did a card-force on Dischord this way, because Minor Threat couldn't NOT respond to this, and Nike got major publicity out of it, the end.

I'm puzzled by the LCD thing because, and maybe I'm wrong, but if DFA/LCD aren't making too much money from this, why did they releae 45:33 this way? Why didn't they just release this as a late 2006 surprise album that could have made the band a lot more money, instead of make it this internet exclusive that makes Nike more money instead? Nike doesn't own the concept of exercise music. Sure, James Murphy had to use working with Nike in order to inspire himself in this context... but that's the most puzzling thing of all. Surely the man's worked with self limitations before. Working with Nike made the difference here though? That's just.. really fucking weird. That's all. *shrug* WHATEVS!

― gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Monday, 23 October 2006 02:42 (nineteen years ago)

Truth be told, Nike probably had very little to do with this at all, besides approving the campaign from the ad agency who worked this out.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 23 October 2006 03:14 (nineteen years ago)

none of this changes the fact that AF1s are totally sweet

also, vahid otm * 2000

― nervous (cochere), Monday, 23 October 2006 03:37 (nineteen years ago)

being super socially conscious is really awesome when you're a rich connecticut liberal writing about gender issues for your new england private school's free press. while i realize my standard of living is a thousand times better than that of the countries in which the clothes/shoes/&c are made, it doesn't change the fact that i can't afford a winter coat anywhere other than walmart, and i'm going to get frostbite to the point of losing appendages if i don't have one

vahid as the son of a schoolteacher i can say that this is what your kids are in for. thankfully you'll raise them without any class guilt

ps this thread is rapidly approaching ILE territory

― nervous (cochere), Monday, 23 October 2006 03:43 (nineteen years ago)

this might be true, but that doesn't mean we have to ignore nike's (or walmart's) egregious human rights violations, right?? just because we dont have a choice to buy our shit at patagonia, or we cant even FIND a forty-five minute "running track" anywhere that's NOT sponsored by nike doesn't mean that we can't also talk about the problems that accompany our consumption of jacket/track. (moreover this is a very diff. conversation than the one we're having anyway, seeing as buying a coat != listening to music if only b/c i won't get frostbite if i don't listen to james murhpy).

shit, we can admire the sistine chapel and still be aware of the catholic church's 1500-year history of torture and opression, right? so why if we try to do the same w/ this and nike we get accused of being ridiculous socialists or whatever?

― max (maxreax), Monday, 23 October 2006 04:09 (nineteen years ago)

nike's 1500-year history of torture and oppression?

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Monday, 23 October 2006 04:15 (nineteen years ago)

sorry i missed the part where someone explained to me how turning the TV off during the corporate sponsor commercials on PBS smashes the factory system

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Monday, 23 October 2006 04:19 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.freepeople.com/images/products/_images/61A0021.20.dt.a.jpg

"archaeological dig reveals boxfresh 6th century dunk low-tops"

― H2-H4 (H2-H4), Monday, 23 October 2006 04:21 (nineteen years ago)

o pls, i dont think what im saying is all that fucking ludicrous

― max (maxreax), Monday, 23 October 2006 04:23 (nineteen years ago)

it is, son, it is.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Monday, 23 October 2006 04:27 (nineteen years ago)

do you know what east timor is?

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Monday, 23 October 2006 04:29 (nineteen years ago)

if you want to get pissy about US trade links w/ indonesia, you could do a lot better than bitching about the fact that being a factory worker is a shitty profession.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Monday, 23 October 2006 04:30 (nineteen years ago)

yeah but a) who are you to assume that im not and b) since when is that a substantive argument--"if you're not doing anything to stop it you have no right to criticize it"? shit dude im not like disagreeing w/ you, there are plenty of trustafarians who dont have a clue about anything but just because theyre assholes doesnt mean you have to take the most opposite position you can find... nike's not entirely a force of bad, it does provide jobs in places that otherwise wouldn't have much, but that doesn't make it like... the red cross or whatever. is it that totally weird to think about your complicity in whatever human right violations are cause by the corporations from which you buy consumibles? like, shit, it doesn't mean i don't like this song, or that i'm not buying nikes, but i also don't have to be a nike apologist, right?

― max (maxreax), Monday, 23 October 2006 04:38 (nineteen years ago)

i mean, yeah, i think about kuwaiti slaves every single time i go to the pump (for real) which is why i've made a conscious decision to work (not one, but three jobs) within 4 miles of my home

on the other hand, i also realize that human rights is a shitty excuse for trade protectionism, esp when it doesn't take a very deep reading of history to see that social + economic liberalization follows from trade and economic development.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Monday, 23 October 2006 04:55 (nineteen years ago)

i think we agree now

― max (maxreax), Monday, 23 October 2006 04:59 (nineteen years ago)

just because we dont have a choice to buy our shit at patagonia, or we cant even FIND a forty-five minute "running track" anywhere that's NOT sponsored by nike doesn't mean that we can't also talk about the problems that accompany our consumption of jacket/track

take it to ILE

― nervous (cochere), Monday, 23 October 2006 05:03 (nineteen years ago)

max btw i think your reductio ad "if you're not doing anything to stop it you have no right to criticize it" is fundamentally flawed duh. eg not every person who disagrees with GWB's running of iraq/afghanistan/everything is planning a fucking revolution. just even in a scientific sense criticism without action is not an ethical issue. criticism by its very nature is action.

― nervous (cochere), Monday, 23 October 2006 05:11 (nineteen years ago)

Truth be told, Nike probably had very little to do with this at all, besides approving the campaign from the ad agency who worked this out.

Well, [Company] rarely has anything to do directly with co-opting trendy music. Still, what an ad agency does for them, third party or not, still makes them a stakeholder and hence valid name to be used in an argument like this.

Sorry for the meta-technical hair splitting B.S. there.

― gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Monday, 23 October 2006 05:12 (nineteen years ago)

xp i know my points were blurred just there. but what i mean is that i consider it perfectly acceptable to acknowledge a problem while you add to it. i worked for kmart despite its sketchy record because it was the only job i could find-- i buy walmart clothes despite their human rights violations because they're the only things i can afford-- i shop at salvation army despite the fact that i disagree with part of their history because of necessity. because criticism by its very nature is action, i feel that financial support + vocal criticism is morally justifiable

so um

i think we agree now

― nervous (cochere), Monday, 23 October 2006 05:16 (nineteen years ago)

hay guyz remember when ILM was in da capo best music writing. halcyon days

― nervous (cochere), Monday, 23 October 2006 05:22 (nineteen years ago)

ugghhh if there's one thing i hate more than lefty nike guilt it's a libertarian.

super x-post

― fauxhemian (fauxhemian), Monday, 23 October 2006 05:32 (nineteen years ago)

i like this btw, jaxon otm about it putting lots of stuff i've been digging lately into one package

― fauxhemian (fauxhemian), Monday, 23 October 2006 05:37 (nineteen years ago)

ah fauxhemian noooooooooooooooo. we're not that bad i swear

― nervous (cochere), Monday, 23 October 2006 05:45 (nineteen years ago)

sorry, that was directed at objectivist dandy don upthread. and Jacob = only person remotely otm in this thread.

― fauxhemian (fauxhemian), Monday, 23 October 2006 05:52 (nineteen years ago)

if you OTM jacob, and jacob OTM me, does that mean you OTM me? is it a transitive relation?

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Monday, 23 October 2006 06:01 (nineteen years ago)

upon rereading now, fauxhemian (and thus jacob) otfm

although, nitpicking, the fact that this track is digitally distributed kicks out the CD bit

― nervous (cochere), Monday, 23 October 2006 06:03 (nineteen years ago)

So, basically, if we don't buy this, then Nike'll have less money to pay those sweatkids and they'll be fired and their families will die and it'll be our fault? :-/

Thing of the year, btw.

― StanM (StanM), Monday, 23 October 2006 06:42 (nineteen years ago)

This is great.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Monday, 23 October 2006 06:55 (nineteen years ago)

oh wait he's singing now haha

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Monday, 23 October 2006 06:55 (nineteen years ago)

re: sistine chapel, transitive relation sustained! the other stuff, i wouldn't know. in general tho, sweatshops vs. illicit dumping of shitloads of waste causing massive epidemics in nigeria. there are things that suck but make sense with respect to economic rules we all live by, then there are just big middle fingers to all the rules. no exchange, just baldly fucking people over. not buying something isn't going to help in either case, but it's easier to talk about/help do something about the latter because, i don't know, visibility might help effect regulation enforcement because more people can agree that it's just plain wrong? lots of issues like these, but they're not as exciting / don't feed back into corporate love-hate loops. companies are a little good, a little bad, a lot amoral, and you can't call them on anything because we're involved in the same game and take in all the good/bad/neutrality and reproduce it. when they turn into power-dildoes in places where there are literally no rules and regs, that's something to wring hands over. < /dormtalk >

― fauxhemian (fauxhemian), Monday, 23 October 2006 07:04 (nineteen years ago)

ok i just turned into kevin.erickson 2.0, time for bed

i tried jogging to this today starting in the middle and i think i like the ambientness at the end more than before!

― fauxhemian (fauxhemian), Monday, 23 October 2006 07:09 (nineteen years ago)

lukacs said that "criticism must be allowed the right to judge and condemn the artistic products ... while acknowledging their social-historical necessity". earlier in the same text (this is from the "democratic humanism / new humanism" chapter of "the historical novel") he says "the fact that a given literary trend arises as a result of social and economic necessity and the class struggles of its time is still no gauge for aesthetic judgement", in other words i don't care if you're solar powered freak folk or an internet shill for nike shoes, because "it is the duty of marxist aesthetics not only to explain this impoverishment and inadequacy ... but also to measure it against the highest demands of the artistic reflection of historical reality"

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Monday, 23 October 2006 07:21 (nineteen years ago)

now i'm no critical theorist (though i roll and hang and share beds w/ them) though as far as i'm concerned when lukacs goes on to talk about thomas mann later in that chapter, saying he "discloses deep contradictions in bourgeois life, in its lack of culture, with a dialectic of extreme subtlety and complexity" he might as well be talking about the 3rd-quarter acid trip in "original run", where james murphy (or is it tim) says (in a ridiculously down-pitched voice) "you were there, all my best friends, i remember, i remember the look on your face, the way you said with your eyes, you said [FRUITY SYNTH SOLO] ... you gave me a new faith, we can save one another, instead of always putting out our hands to crush"

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Monday, 23 October 2006 07:32 (nineteen years ago)

anyway i am probably talking total bullshit, but there's a good bit on this page that explains about why i care all the world for artists and art full of contradictions and not a whole lot for globalexchange.org

"mann, like every other important writer, endeavors to portray an all-around and comprehensive picture of his society of his time. the universality of this picture depends on the variety of the characters, and whether, even when they are felt to be the bearers of hostile principles, they are portrayed as living many-sided human beings and not poster-like caricatures. in this respect mann, like many of his important contemporaries went far beyond the horizon set by the m prejudices of the liberal bourgeoisie"

he also goes on to warn us that "it is not that hostile types are humanly portrayed that points to this slow and hesitant overcoming of prejudices" (A BAD THING) "but the uncritical attitude to these types in their social and human totality, the failure to recognize their social and historical limits"

i don't think james murphy (or myself or very many other people on this thread) are taking an uncritical attitude towards either nike or the situation of laborers in indonesia when we go on to say, OK, there are contradictions in our position as first-world citizens and consumers of "art", but i would rather err on the side of supporting an artist of great humanism, subtlety and complexity (and if you don't think that's a fair description of james murphy you need to check again) rather than just falling into stale left ideology.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Monday, 23 October 2006 07:45 (nineteen years ago)

i feel pretty goofy after typing all of that, last time i tried busting out formalism and structuralism in my defense i got a pretty serious mark s / sterling clover tag team beat down.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Monday, 23 October 2006 07:46 (nineteen years ago)

http://forums.dfarecords.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=1979 :

james
dfa god of thunder and lightning

Joined: 13 Mar 2005
Posts: 542
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:46 pm

(...)

anyway, i think it's a strange thing to be asked to do, and my manager totally thought i was going to tell him to shove it up his ass when he mentioned it to me--i mean, he was like "ok, this thing came in, and i'm pretty sure i know what you're going to say", and i totally blew it off--but i'd been thinking a lot about E2-E4 by gottesching and had realized that i'd never get to make something like that really--i mean, i could MAKE it, but that's different than making it to have it be released as something other than a novelty--and so, after reading the brief and realizing that it wasn't an advertisement per se, realizing that i'd get it back and would have control over it, i decided to go for it

(...)

Jon was OTFM all along!

― StanM (StanM), Monday, 23 October 2006 07:50 (nineteen years ago)

There are a number of discussions about all of this on the LCD Soundsystem board, with replies from James himself, by the way.

― StanM (StanM), Monday, 23 October 2006 07:51 (nineteen years ago)

sorry, that was directed at objectivist dandy don upthread

hilarious that you say this given that my remarks have more in common with Jacob's, which you think were OTM.

― don weiner (don weiner), Monday, 23 October 2006 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

This isn't the first time DFA have been part of a shoe company's viral marketing:

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/3266/puma5X12.jpg

also, 250 posts and NO GALKIN????!?!???

― researching ur life (grady), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

also, 250 posts and NO GALKIN????!?!???

I was wondering about this myself.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

nice way to ruin your records!!

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

V, you just got sand in your vaginyl

― gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

:-D

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

we are a desert people

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

seriously though, why do all nikes stop at size 15?? it's a goddamn conspiracy.

― bo janglin (dubplatestyle), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

at size 16, the shoes get too heavy and bulky for the little 8-year-old hands in the sweatshop.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

The BIG difference between E2-E4 and 45:33 is that E2-E4 maintains the same, basic sequencer pattern throughout, whicle 45:33 is made up of several different movements.

― Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

As well as a consistant tempo, despite several shifts in mood and style.

So, the answer to the thread's question is "no."

But it is interesting to hear that Jams Murphy was thinking about an E2-E4 project at the time this opportunity arose.

I wonder if E2-E4's steady tempo is good for running or not. The balearic guitar part in the last third might be nice for a cool-down.

― researching ur life (grady), Monday, 23 October 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

It's funny that Murphy seemed worried about an E2-E4-type record been seen as a novelty. I mean this guy made his name with a dance record that just lists other records and another record done in a "Mark E Smith" accent. How is everything he's done not a novelty?

― Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Monday, 23 October 2006 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

yawn.

― researching ur life (grady), Monday, 23 October 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

don't have that much to add except I really like this too

but yeah it doesn't sound like one song ... it's almost like a DJ mix where instead of mixing records he made new versions of records he'd like to hear mixed into each other. I love the Patrick Adams / Rong Music sounding shit with the deep vocals over it.

― dmr (Renard), Monday, 23 October 2006 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

The first bit reminds me of "Stand on the Word" with the backing vocals and the piano.

― researching ur life (grady), Monday, 23 October 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

45:33 is to music what Kill Bill was to movies

― dmr (Renard), Monday, 23 October 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

Meaning Momus is going to complain about it for 431514332 posts without ever listening to it?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

is Jams Murphy the TerraTino of Music?

― researching ur life (grady), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

i just have to say this song is almost worth the lives of half a dozen pre-teen sweatshop laborers

― max (maxreax), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 00:22 (nineteen years ago)

Grady, what is that 5x12 set? It's not on discogs.

― naus (Robert T), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 00:26 (nineteen years ago)

The first bit reminds me of "Stand on the Word" with the backing vocals and the piano.

-- researching ur life (goforgrad...), Today 5:33 PM. (grady) (later)

yes!! it actually made me go back and listen to stand on the word 10 times yesterday

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 01:05 (nineteen years ago)

what is that 5x12 set? It's not on discogs.

That's always bothered me, too. In fact, the only shred of information I can find on it is this blog post from two years ago.

I made it my mission to track down a copy about a year ago. I found someone on GEMM who was selling three of the five discs sepraratley for like $18 - $20 a piece. I bought the DFA/Vice one, which is worth having for the ACAPELLA VERSION of the DFA rmx of Destination: Overdrive. (its a crime that DFA even did a remix that included the vocals, let alone Vice never releasing an instumental version before this limited run).

Kind of a shame that the bastard broke it up like that. If he'd had all five, I might've got all of them.

Puma did a "sequel" at the last WMC that didn't look as good, iirc.

― researching ur life (grady), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 01:31 (nineteen years ago)

last time i saw lcd live i'm pretty sure they came out on stage to "stand on the word" so i guess the resemblance isn't just an accident

― bo janglin (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 02:11 (nineteen years ago)

above is some lame coveted hipster du jour promo collection given out at winter music conference a few years back. similar to the gift bags fashionistas fight over when leaving parties.

theres a full set sitting in the used bins at OM for $30, as of a week ago. maybe call them?

― manute lol (sanskrit), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 02:18 (nineteen years ago)

last time i saw lcd live i'm pretty sure they came out on stage to "stand on the word" so i guess the resemblance isn't just an accident

I think Shit/Lambkin finished his pre-LCD set with this song on every stop of that tour.

theres a full set sitting in the used bins at OM for $30, as of a week ago. maybe call them?

What is OM?

― researching ur life (grady), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 02:22 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.pondichery.com/french/om/omd1.gif

― jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 02:29 (nineteen years ago)

XP:

this song = "stand on the word" NOT 45:33

― researching ur life (grady), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 02:29 (nineteen years ago)

xpost - http://www.othermusic.com/

― jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 02:29 (nineteen years ago)

I had one of those Puma sets, actually a different one, in a big fancy black binder.. I gave it to some guy at my stoop sale.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 02:58 (nineteen years ago)

I now feel like I'm coming to this late, but anyway: this is utterly, precisely the direction that I wanted these guys to go in. Vahid is right, Jams needs to give up writing songs.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 03:12 (nineteen years ago)

I've got a copy of the latest Puma 5x12" thingie- Ghostly Int'l sent it out to me for "being a good customer" (read: spending far too much on Spectral Sound vinyl). It's good if inconsistent, but I find myself not playing it too often as I know I won't be able to get a replacement copy for a sane amount.

― Telephonething (Telephonething), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 03:41 (nineteen years ago)

Well I love this.
There's some AACM song the trombone-horn harmonizing section reminds me of but I can't place it.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

(nm its "Beyond the Gray Haze")

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

now i wonder if this is better than the nike/mo'wax cd

― rtccc (mwah), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

Apparenly I'm capitalist scum because I like this a lot.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 00:38 (nineteen years ago)

He's no Sigue Sigue Sputnik.

― The Real Esteban Buttez (EstieButtez1), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 02:24 (nineteen years ago)

Actually to revive the corporate sponsorship debate.

I think this is a GOOD thing. Lets see more of it in music. I think we'd find if more music was commissioned by brands for all the multifarious purposes that brands might want music for, we'd get more variety than if all music was produced for 79 minute cd albums. This release is a case in point - without being asked by nike for a 43 minute track for running to it would never have been produced, just like those Adicolor vodcast films would never have existed without Adidas.

It's also a solution to the piracy problem - artists can make a living off commissions and patronage, and not require to actually sell records.

It worked for classical music, after all...

― Jacob (Jacob), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 02:39 (nineteen years ago)

this is unexpectedly really really amazing!

the real sellout = lcd soundsystem album turning into dire song-based material.

most otm thing on thread.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 05:55 (nineteen years ago)

i don't mean to say that i don't think much of murphy's songwriting or his lyrics - actually i think they're great! i just like them better in the context of long dance jams than in five-minute rockers.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 06:10 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, he needs to give up writing "songs".

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 07:07 (nineteen years ago)

i'm not sure if the songwriting or the lyrics or even the "song" structures are really the problem - i prefer the jam style by a massively long way but then i quite liked 'daft punk is playing at my house' too. he just seems to get a lot less ambitious with the sound, the arrangements when he's writing "songs", there's a lot more guitar sludge and a lot less trippy jazzy stuff.

why is this one called '45.33' when it's actually like 45.58 mins long? the last 5 minutes are largely redundant anyway but i can't quite believe how awesome the rest is - and how suited to its role it sounds too. especially the bit where it flags in the middle, that parping, wheezing brass! and then the SECOND WIND.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 07:39 (nineteen years ago)

I imagine it's called 45:33 in twisted homage to Cage's 4:33.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 07:55 (nineteen years ago)

i thought it was a record speed thing

― electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 07:56 (nineteen years ago)

yes gareth explained both of those last night but then why not actually make it 45.33 long? it's not as if the last 5 minutes are anything other than superfluous. 20 secs shorter would not have been noticeable.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 07:57 (nineteen years ago)

vahid is ridiculous upthread: criticizing nike = wanting to be a caveman? the fuck? maybe if i had a powerbook i'd understand.

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 07:59 (nineteen years ago)

social + economic liberalization follows from trade and economic development.

-- HUNTA-V (vfoz...) (webmail), October 23rd, 2006 5:55 AM. (vahid) (link)

hahaha. hahahahahahahaha.

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:07 (nineteen years ago)

haha

hahahahahaha

hahahahahhahahahahaha

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:19 (nineteen years ago)

HAAAAAAAAAAhahahahahahahahaha

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:20 (nineteen years ago)

economic liberalization does not always lead to social liberalization. the idea that the populations countries where nike has set up were even worse off before the sweatshops started up is all screwy. even if true, it's just a way of justifying exploitation in the present.

but while i don't think boycotting LCD because they have done a track for nike is politically useful, it's beyond me why people shouldn't question the decision. if they did a campaign track for the republicans, however awesome the cowbells were, it would still be a murky decision. it is a significant step further than having a licensing deal with a major record label.

and murphy says they didn't even get that much money!

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:27 (nineteen years ago)

"the republicans"

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:38 (nineteen years ago)

"a republican candidate" whatever. why is it off-limits to talk about where the money's coming from? would an arms company be cool?

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:39 (nineteen years ago)

you are a mental midget!

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:39 (nineteen years ago)

is this why europeans do their graduate school in america?? because most people there are stupid??

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:40 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha ok whatever dick.

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:41 (nineteen years ago)

"maybe if i had a powerbook i'd understand"

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:42 (nineteen years ago)

would an arms company be cool?

sure!

― StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:43 (nineteen years ago)

EXACTLY

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:43 (nineteen years ago)

i work in this building, it has a plaque out front that says "paid for by a generous contribution from condoleeza rice"

haha "the republicans"

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:44 (nineteen years ago)

v: LOOK, YOU'RE A FUCKING MONKEY IN A $30 TIE AT A MALL KIOSK. I HAVE A POWERBOOK AND I WORK AT STANFORD UNIVERSITY AND I HAVE THE MONTH OF AUGUST OFF.
manager: ...
v: YOU DON'T MAKE MY FINANCIAL DECISIONS, OK? YOU WORK IN A FUCKING KIOSK. YOU DON'T MAKE MY FUCKING FINANCIAL DECISIONS.
(3 minute silent credit card transaction)
v: THANK YOU.

-- JABBA JABBA!! NIB NIB!! (vfoz...), August 10th, 2006.

i don't give a fuck where you work! maybe euros go to US grad schools because you get called a professor for fucking having a library card over there -- i dunno. (i mean brit universities seemed clogged with americans but whatever!)

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:47 (nineteen years ago)

why make thread argument into random attack on europeans...which you know really is stupid.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:48 (nineteen years ago)

you think i'm being a jerk, enrique, but you're just SAYING THINGS, as if they're true, while i'm quoting LUKACS and wasting paragraphs and paragraphs on this.

you want to give me one-liners like "the idea that the populations countries where nike has set up were even worse off before the sweatshops started up is all screwy" (OK, IF YOU SAY SO)

then i'll give you one-liners right back

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:50 (nineteen years ago)

and yeah, that guy was fucking me over by wasting my time and trying to rip me off and i lost my temper over that shit.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:52 (nineteen years ago)

and the points not where i work, but who generously paid out of pocket for where i work.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:53 (nineteen years ago)

"the republicans"

in case you missed it the first time.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:53 (nineteen years ago)

British universities are clogged with foreigners from all over the shop because we'll give anyone a masters for cash.

Quoting Lukacs doesn't make you right. It makes you a fucking nerd.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:53 (nineteen years ago)

well, just one republican, and not as a party thing or anything like that.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:54 (nineteen years ago)

"a nerd"!

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:54 (nineteen years ago)

you guys are resorting to this shit because you learned your econ from stereolab, right??

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:55 (nineteen years ago)

oh wow you're QUOTING LUKACS. fuck lukcas.

the book your quoting from was a defence of stalinist aesthetics, published during the fucking show trials and the fucking suppression of spanish republicanism.

what was he saying again?

"criticism must be allowed the right to judge and condemn the artistic products ... while acknowledging their social-historical necessity".

ah yes: "socio-historical necessity", a pretty useful concept chez stalin c. 1937.

i followed up the 'all screwy' line with a reason: reason being that just because something used to be bad, doesn't mean things ought to be differently bad now.

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:55 (nineteen years ago)

nah, the point is i'm putting in some fucking effort into this discussion instead of just "oh, you're ridiculous upthread"

good work enrique, now give me a paragraph explaining why.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:57 (nineteen years ago)

whatever, maybe i'm ridiculous. fine!

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:57 (nineteen years ago)

haha "fuck lukacs".

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:57 (nineteen years ago)

mind twisted by stereolab zing: they'd be the first band to cite lukacs.

yeah fuck him, he was a stalinist apologist. he really was!

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:58 (nineteen years ago)

basically "life was shit under european colonial rule" is not an answer to the proposition "workers should have the right to unionize" is crux of this argument.

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:00 (nineteen years ago)

whatever

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:02 (nineteen years ago)

This thread, as if going to work everyday wasn't enough, has reminded me of why some (and it really is only some) academics are complete jumped-up brow-beating insecure little shits. "I'm quoting LUKACS!"

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:04 (nineteen years ago)

You ain't bad! You ain't nothin'! I ditch class and go shoot heroin in the school bathroom!

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:05 (nineteen years ago)

i feel pretty goofy after typing all of that, last time i tried busting out formalism and structuralism in my defense i got a pretty serious mark s / sterling clover tag team beat down.

-- HUNTA-V (vfoz...), October 23rd, 2006 1:46 AM. (vahid) (later)

^browbeating insecure little shit

ps - i'm not an academic! i'm a high school teacher!

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:07 (nineteen years ago)

you added that exclamation point, you cheater

that was "i'm quoting lukacs" as in, sorry, can't respond to your vague criticisms, wasted too much time typing out huge responses earlier in the week.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:10 (nineteen years ago)

not as in, "oh look at what i did"

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:10 (nineteen years ago)

...

I'm not sure who to cheerlead for.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:17 (nineteen years ago)

Vahid vs NRQ is like my dream cranky contrarian deathmatch.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:23 (nineteen years ago)

haha, this is like when there was a massive argument on the tennis forum I used to post on about whether players who were sponsored by nike deserved to be criticised for not TAKING A STAND. maybe it would be nice if they did but I don't think it's altogether reasonable to demand it of them, and as far as I can tell most of them have fairly laudable charitable endeavours going on elsewhere, and I'm not going to stop supporting anastasia myskina or roger federer because of it!

tennis players being sponsored by mcdonald's is possibly another matter though.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:25 (nineteen years ago)

I think Henry gets far too much undeserved stick. He's nowhere near as kranky, as far as I can tell, as people say.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:28 (nineteen years ago)

no, i really am!

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:29 (nineteen years ago)

Shut it you tart.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:30 (nineteen years ago)

"cranky" and "dead inside" are two v different things...

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:33 (nineteen years ago)

i feel a great affinity to both these days

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:33 (nineteen years ago)

damn you're like the third guy to say i'm dead inside on ilx!

whaddayagonnado.

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:35 (nineteen years ago)

"dead inside" = antithesis to emo = GOOD THING

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:35 (nineteen years ago)

Both of them are cuddly bears underneath.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:38 (nineteen years ago)

"whaddayagonnado."

I've found impersonating the leopards at the zoo while in work to be a good strategy. that means pacing back and forth and making every effort to put your foot in the exact same places as the last journey, and not move your head or eyes.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:40 (nineteen years ago)

I do feel a disproportionate level of affection for anyone who even bothers to debate the relative merits of fusty old post-marxist theorists on ILM (ILM especially) though.

x-post Ronan I thought you were sober at the moment!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:42 (nineteen years ago)

very much so.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:49 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, reading your above post again, that becomes scarily clear. I don't identify with dead inside people because I fill that space with alcohol and cheesy music.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:52 (nineteen years ago)

I think everyone does...damn you all!

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:54 (nineteen years ago)

Alcohol is what makes you dead inside, isn't it?

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:55 (nineteen years ago)

The cure and the cause of all life's problems.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:56 (nineteen years ago)

i don't drink OR listen to music.

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:58 (nineteen years ago)

ts: tracey k vs immanuel k

― rtccc (mwah), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 10:01 (nineteen years ago)

JABBA JABBA! NIB NIB!

― am0n (am0n), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

fill that space with alcohol and cheesy music.

excellent

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

this thread got super gay super quick

― bo janglin (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

didn't you read what it was about before you clicked on it?

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

zing!

― bo janglin (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

What you guys are missing is that this is all OK because it challenges the homophobia of atheletes. Without them knowing it.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

Also that this isn't that good. It just sounds like a bunch of old dance music and is repetitious. It's not bad, it's a fine enough mix, but it's just going for the dance nerd jugular.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

I mean it's like Jet with synths and a giant hard drive. OK, that's harsh. but still.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

there's that n-word again

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

"nerd" is the "hipster" of the internet.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

It just sounds like a bunch of old dance music and is repetitious.
It just sounds like a bunch of old dance music and is repetitious.
It just sounds like a bunch of old dance music and is repetitious.
It just sounds like a bunch of old dance music and is repetitious.
It just sounds like a bunch of old dance music and is repetitious.
It just sounds like a bunch of old dance music and is repetitious.
It just sounds like a bunch of old dance music and is repetitious.
It just sounds like a bunch of old dance music and is repetitious.
It just sounds like a bunch of old dance music and is repetitious.
It just sounds like a bunch of old dance music and is repetitious.
It just sounds like a bunch of old dance music and is repetitious.
It just sounds like a bunch of old dance music and is repetitious.
It just sounds like a bunch of old dance music and is repetitious.
It just sounds like a bunch of old dance music and is repetitious.
It just sounds like a bunch of old dance music and is repetitious.
It just sounds like a bunch of old dance music and is repetitious.
It just sounds like a bunch of old dance music and is repetitious.
It just sounds like a bunch of old dance music and is repetitious.
It just sounds like a bunch of old dance music and is repetitious.
It just sounds like a bunch of old dance music and is repetitious.
It just sounds like a bunch of old dance music and is repetitious.
It just sounds like a bunch of old dance music and is repetitious.
It just sounds like a bunch of old dance music and is repetitious.
It just sounds like a bunch of old dance music and is repetitious.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

How about "it's the aural equivalent of a real estate agent baking chocolate chip cookies in a house he's trying to sell"?

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

Or to put it in non-ILM terms, I think it's a fine enough piece of music, but perhaps the reaction to it is exaggerated somewhat because of the context.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

mmmmm ... cookies ....

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

That was pretty much where I was too.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

Repetitious dance music? We're all doomed!

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

It just sounds like a bunch of old jogging music and is repetitious

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

i don't know shit about dance music.

but my wife likes working out to dance music...she's like basement jaxx and mylo and some other stuff like that my drummer borrowed to her.

would this be a good thing for working out to?

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

It's not bad, it's a fine enough mix, but it's just going for the dance nerd jugular.

wait, whose jugular does good dance music go for?

― PRKLTR (flezaffe), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

secret agents, pro wrestlers, army men.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

it just sounds like a bunch of old heavy metal and has loud guitars

― latebloomer: Veteran of the Mai Tai Massacre (latebloomer), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

it just sounds like a bunch of rap with rhyming vocals

― latebloomer: Veteran of the Mai Tai Massacre (latebloomer), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

Matt- not as banging as basement jaxx or mylo. More slow build up, fade out. Very deliberatly done for a 45 minute warm up, pace, heat, cool down cardio/ jog.

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

"borrowed to her"?? TAKE IT TO THE HASTINGS THREAD OLE

― geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

I nearly LOL'd, I nearly cried. I was mildly angry, and then amused. This thread truly has it all. Plus, I learned never to say anything criticizing a corporation on ILM...why, only hippies would do that!

― Zachary Scott (Zach S), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 23:30 (nineteen years ago)

"borrowed to her"?? TAKE IT TO THE HASTINGS THREAD OLE
-- geoff (gffcnn...), October 26th, 2006. (gcannon)

YOU CAN'T HIDE YOU YOU TRULY ARE GEOFF!!

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

i like this so it's probably old hat, dance music-wise. it's DEFINITELY >>> the lcd soundsystem album. i think the final section needs... more work or something. it's kind of familiar-sounding and doesn't quite do what it should. the piano stuff is best.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 26 October 2006 07:57 (nineteen years ago)

Or to put it in non-ILM terms, I think it's a fine enough piece of music, but perhaps the reaction to it is exaggerated somewhat because of the context.

-- Eppy (epp...), Yesterday 5:23 PM. (Eppy) (later)

what context? the context of jogging? of nike marketing campaigns? what are you talking about?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:14 (nineteen years ago)

Yes and:

no, not at all. this is much more in the vein of their "DFA remix" work, or their early "beat connection" / "yeah" work.

and

i'd been thinking a lot about E2-E4 by gottesching

― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

people are exaggerating their reactions because they're judging it in context of... other music by lcd soundsystem?

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

we all know how ilm privileges anything related to jogging... and... music that reminds people of other music they like

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

Parts of this remind me of those trancey bootleg Pink Floyd remixes credited (incorrectly) to The Orb that came out in 94.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

If the song sucked, would it be ok to boycott LCD Soundsystem?

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

Actually to revive the corporate sponsorship debate.
I think this is a GOOD thing. Lets see more of it in music. I think we'd find if more music was commissioned by brands for all the multifarious purposes that brands might want music for, we'd get more variety than if all music was produced for 79 minute cd albums. This release is a case in point - without being asked by nike for a 43 minute track for running to it would never have been produced, just like those Adicolor vodcast films would never have existed without Adidas.
It's also a solution to the piracy problem - artists can make a living off commissions and patronage, and not require to actually sell records.
It worked for classical music, after all...

I kind of like this idea.

I want Johnson & Johnson to commssion Kevin Shields to create a soundtrack for bathing.
I want Glade to commission Timbaland to create a soundrsck for housework.
I want GM to commission the Boredoms to create a soundtrack for being stuck in traffic.

WHAT ELSE GUYS?

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 26 October 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0887434045.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 26 October 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

@ 33

@ 45

― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:16 (nineteen years ago)

I can't believe I checked them out. WTF?

― StanM (StanM), Saturday, 28 October 2006 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

so i had to make a return at SF's Niketown at lunch and just guess what familiar trombone bleats I heard on the store's soundsystem?

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:59 (nineteen years ago)

Wild guess, but it wasn't the lcd soundsystem's 45:33 original run, was it?

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 3 November 2006 01:14 (nineteen years ago)

so if economic liberalization has bettered the lives of these people, it's still bad? what the fuck is exploitation? do you mean employment?

― liberal arts school prick (lfam), Friday, 3 November 2006 02:25 (nineteen years ago)

can someone ysi that Daft Punk Is Playing at My House (Wieden + Kennedy Remix)?

― manute lol (sanskrit), Friday, 3 November 2006 02:42 (nineteen years ago)

"so if economic liberalization has bettered the lives of these people, it's still bad? what the fuck is exploitation? do you mean employment? "

I think the notion is roughly analogous to the principle that mistreating or neglecting an adopted child from a third world country is not justifiable on the basis that you've brought them to a developed country and put a roof over their head. It's not adoption per se that is the issue, but the fact that adoption implies a duty of care toward the child which actual adopting parents may not always observe.

If we were to have totally unregulated adoption laws, doubtless many more children would have roofs over their heads etc. but there would also be more abusive, exploitative treatment of children going on. You can argue that from a practical/utilitarian perspective the former is worth the latter when all is said and done, but it's also arguable that any justification of the exploitation of children is itself pretty morally bankrupt, and that acceptance of a status quo of widespread exploitation due to the benefits it provides is really not good enough.

Likewise, if economic liberalisation has resulted in greater employment in a third world country (and therefore better quality of life), but that employment is under working standards we would consider objectively morally repugnant, it's arguable that companies complicit in the maintenance of those standards cannot rely on the fact of greater employment as a justification.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 3 November 2006 03:23 (nineteen years ago)

...In which, Kraftwerk turn out to be New York Dolls under their underpants.

And I haven't danced this much to music since...Orbital's Brown Album? Listening to old New Order 12"es in 1987? What about the early 90's techno days when I used to run for about 50 minutes at a time listening to "techno" in my headphones?

Most of all I love the idea of a continuous 45 minute track. Yeah, that's what really gets me.

― An evening of fun in the metropolis of your dream (Bimble...), Friday, 3 November 2006 07:27 (nineteen years ago)

what the fuck is exploitation? do you mean employment?

-- liberal arts school prick (lfamula...), November 3rd, 2006.

http://www.nu-riskservices.co.uk/news/news_images/news_bullied270203.jpg

or what tim said.

― benrique (Enrique), Friday, 3 November 2006 09:26 (nineteen years ago)

"objectively morally repugnant"?

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Friday, 3 November 2006 09:29 (nineteen years ago)

i don't think there's anything wrong about what tim is saying but i just want to point out that outside of slavery i'm not sure there's any sort of labor conditions we can call "objectively morally repugnant".

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Friday, 3 November 2006 09:31 (nineteen years ago)

how so?

i mean i absolutely agree that morality can't be called 'objective'.

so why make an exception for slavery?

i find these things more or less equally repugnant.

― benrique (Enrique), Friday, 3 November 2006 09:34 (nineteen years ago)

because just about everybody agrees on slavery?

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Friday, 3 November 2006 09:37 (nineteen years ago)

that's not proof of objectivity; and it opens the door to a historical relativism because once upon a time not everybody agreed about it. so it couldn't have been onjectively wrong then. if something's objectively wrong, it's *always* objectively wrong. but it was the same exploiting landowning and industrial class in britain which outlawed slavery that okayed "indentured" asian labour in south africa and indeed used pre-teens in its factories. in those days notions of the 'cash wage' weren't so advanced, blurring the line between slavery and 'regular' labour -- though obviously the transportation of slaves etc puts US/south american slavery on another level.

― benrique (Enrique), Friday, 3 November 2006 09:40 (nineteen years ago)

yeah but i'm not talking about objectivity, i'm talking about "objectivity".

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Friday, 3 November 2006 09:42 (nineteen years ago)

i don't think conditions in nike's factories are morally repugnant, and it's not because i'm ignorant to what those conditions are.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Friday, 3 November 2006 09:44 (nineteen years ago)

blimey.

― benrique (Enrique), Friday, 3 November 2006 09:46 (nineteen years ago)

i mean: god i do, they're fucking appalling.

― benrique (Enrique), Friday, 3 November 2006 09:46 (nineteen years ago)

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Friday, 3 November 2006 09:48 (nineteen years ago)

I should note that by objectively I meant "objectively" - as in, shorthand for a community's belief that "there is no sliding scale that can justify this."

I'm trying to talk about this issue in a non-committal sense so as to not re-polarise everyone - I'm surprised that this is such a divisive issue...

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 3 November 2006 09:53 (nineteen years ago)

to be fair, tim, we're on three different continents and there isn't a community at work!

― benrique (Enrique), Friday, 3 November 2006 09:54 (nineteen years ago)

is hunta's objection to slavery based less on the quality of life of slaves, than on their 'moral' position of unfreedom? for me the former is as important as the latter; and life is not *much* better for a modern (or indeed 18th-19th century british) sweatshop worker than it was for the slaves.

― benrique (Enrique), Friday, 3 November 2006 10:04 (nineteen years ago)

kunta kinte to thred

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Friday, 3 November 2006 10:34 (nineteen years ago)

i'm not doing anything to play down the 'slavery was shit' meme. no-one has made a popular tv serial about the life of an asian sweatshop worker yet. but it probably wouldn't be much like 'berverly hills 90210'.

― benrique (Enrique), Friday, 3 November 2006 10:39 (nineteen years ago)

Wow I would have thought this thread was supposed to be about music.

― An evening of fun in the metropolis of your dream (Bimble...), Saturday, 4 November 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

I love digressions like these when they get so involved. (See also That Mia Thread.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, well I just mentioned Bush a lot on the thread about the new Who album, so fair enough.

― An evening of fun in the metropolis of your dream (Bimble...), Saturday, 4 November 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

let's not talk about "objectivity" or objectivity anymore

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

Can't search for the DFA thread at the moment, but Tim Goldsworthy's remix of Home Video's "Penguin" is very very pretty indeed.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 4 November 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno what it is about the DFA. They never answer their press emails, never respond to promo requests, many many times I've tried to contact them but no response. I don't whether it's egotism or what? DFA people read this thread - what is up with this?

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Saturday, 4 November 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

sorry that sounds harsh and this is probably not the right place to bitch. maybe they don't need the support of the dance community because they're big indieland?

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Saturday, 4 November 2006 22:53 (nineteen years ago)

Hey good dog, what is your real name, who have you tried to contact and what
exactly are you looking for? I tried to email you, but that seems to be a fake email, as it bounced back twice.

We live in neither the Dance Community or Indie Land, more like a
semi-comfortable suburb in between and visit both frequently. I respond to literally every email I get sent to me personally, as many will attest. I don't recall ever getting one from you and my real email is listed plainly for all to see.

If you are referring to the catch-all email address that is listed on our website, all I
can say is that gets approx. 1,000 emails a day. It is a total waste of time
to try that. 75% is spam mail and therefore many times we need to delete the
whole folder to clean it out. I check it when I can, but it has become hard
work to comb through it.

We almost never ever send out promos, except for when a PR firm send out a mailing for a new release. We mail vinyl to DJ's who ask or who we know, usually personally. It seems more effective than dropping 500 singles through a lifestyle service like Giant Step or something. And why even send out cd promos anymore, when most of the music can just be gotten for free?

Are you a journalist? DJ? Promoter? Blogger?

and yes I have read this thread when it was initiated but stopped soon after....someone I know tipped me off that someone on it was "looking for me"......here I am!

― GALKIN (GALKIN), Saturday, 4 November 2006 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

It'd be really cool if Lego had "Indie Land" lego minifigs.

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Sunday, 5 November 2006 01:39 (nineteen years ago)

.... to be included with limited edition DFA releases!

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Sunday, 5 November 2006 01:52 (nineteen years ago)

this ain't Mo Wax.

― GALKIN (GALKIN), Sunday, 5 November 2006 02:03 (nineteen years ago)

tim goldsworthy zing zang ZONG

― manute lol (sanskrit), Sunday, 5 November 2006 02:22 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, well I just mentioned Bush a lot on the thread about the new Who album, so fair enough.
-- An evening of fun in the metropolis of your dream (bimble87...), Saturday. (Bimble...) (link)

i absolutely adore The Chemicals Between Us when i was thirteen... i don't see much of a connection with the who.

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Monday, 6 November 2006 05:32 (nineteen years ago)

or do you mean the BUSH the politician?

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Monday, 6 November 2006 05:33 (nineteen years ago)

wasn't looking for you so much as surprised you hadn't made an appearance to lay down the party line like on every other DFA thread.

anyway, the track is fucking excellent. waiting with bated breath for the vinyl release.

― researching ur life (grady), Monday, 6 November 2006 08:21 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I meant Bush the poltician, I mean EVIL STOOPID FIRE DEVIL, etc. Elections coming up.

Regardless this LCD track is an awful lot of fun. And whats with this 45:33 business? I daresay thats brilliant. I wasnt very impressed at first, to be honest, but eventually I understood.

Once again my web browser complains every time I try to type an apostrophe.

― All The Furniture Is In The Garage (Bimble...), Monday, 6 November 2006 10:51 (nineteen years ago)

eleven months pass...

i just got this on vinyl! still so good.

― haitch, Thursday, 25 October 2007 12:43 (eighteen years ago)

is it hard to listen to it on vinyl while you're jogging?

― s1ocki, Thursday, 25 October 2007 13:56 (eighteen years ago)

How do they do the transitions on the vinyl (it's a double LP, isn't it?)

Do they just fade in/out or do they separate out the different sections.

If it's the latter, I'm definitely buying it! Is that a promo? It's not out till November, is it?

It's such a great record, though. Although it's crap to jog too. It's the wrong speed.

― Jamie T Smith, Thursday, 25 October 2007 14:00 (eighteen years ago)

jog to, not too. Sorry.

― Jamie T Smith, Thursday, 25 October 2007 14:02 (eighteen years ago)

i'm a pretty slow jogger!

yes, double 12", promo from the record store. i assume they'll have the e2-e4-style cover for the full release. they do separate out the different sections properly too, not just fade in/out - 'part 2' has a long build before the part where it recognisably becomes 'someone great'.

― haitch, Thursday, 25 October 2007 14:06 (eighteen years ago)

s1ocki i am limited to circling the room at this point. may have to rethink exercise strategy.

― haitch, Thursday, 25 October 2007 14:08 (eighteen years ago)

Cool! That's what I was hoping.

I'm going to see James Murphy DJ tonight, actually. Really looking forward to that too.

― Jamie T Smith, Thursday, 25 October 2007 14:10 (eighteen years ago)

is it hard to listen to it on vinyl while you're jogging?

http://www.metropotam.ro/La-zi/2007/06/art2627496824-Design-your-life-Dieter-Rams-si-Braun/TP1%20portable%20phono%20radio.jpg

― jed_, Thursday, 25 October 2007 14:28 (eighteen years ago)

four months pass...

is this getting its own remix album at some point (possibly containing only artists with the word 'prince' or some phonetically-spelled variation thereof in their name)? prins thomas had his own remix of 'part three' on his RA podcast mix, and thisisnotandexit blog lists the prince language remix of 'part one' as one of his dj faves for feb.

― jermainetwo, Monday, 17 March 2008 06:28 (seventeen years ago)

i just have to say this song is almost worth the lives of half a dozen pre-teen sweatshop laborers
-- max (maxreax), Monday, October 23, 2006 5:22 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

^^
i stand by this bold statement

― max, Monday, 17 March 2008 06:35 (seventeen years ago)

this thread makes me sad for the days when i actually wanted to have substantive discussions abt things on ilx

― max, Monday, 17 March 2008 06:37 (seventeen years ago)

what put you off, specifically?

― blueski, Monday, 17 March 2008 12:59 (seventeen years ago)

this thread makes me sad for the days when i actually wanted to have substantive discussions abt things on ilx

-- max, Sunday, March 16, 2008 11:37 PM (Sunday, March 16, 2008 11:37 PM) Bookmark Link

can you restate this in seven words or less?

― The Reverend, Monday, 17 March 2008 14:42 (seventeen years ago)

man I had no idea vahid was such a fan of "The Lexus and the Olive Tree"!

― Tracer Hand, Monday, 17 March 2008 15:20 (seventeen years ago)

two months pass...

It's such a great record, though. Although it's crap to jog too. It's the wrong speed.

tried jogging to it last night - not the most brisk piece of music ever recorded, it has to be said. but then i may be the world's slowest jogger. the drums coming in at the start of part 3 was quite good in a "speed up a bit!" way.

― haitch, Monday, 2 June 2008 07:37 (seventeen years ago)

I'll have this on my iPod before dawn, mark my words.

― Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Monday, 2 June 2008 07:47 (seventeen years ago)

this is really good. i actually ran a 10k to it a couple years back, worked great!

― stephen, Monday, 2 June 2008 23:13 (seventeen years ago)

me too but i had to switch to some upbeat kanye for the final dash.

― ledge, Monday, 2 June 2008 23:22 (seventeen years ago)

shame on you!!

― The Reverend, Monday, 9 June 2008 07:16 (seventeen years ago)

Has anyone heard the track Cassius have done for this series? I like Cassius but I'm not sure I'm willing to drop $10 on a 45-minute track of which I can only hear thirty seconds as a preview...

― Telephone thing, Monday, 9 June 2008 07:33 (seventeen years ago)

i love the first track

― the next grozart, Monday, 9 June 2008 07:47 (seventeen years ago)

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