http://www.sfbg.com/entry.php?entry_id=2526&catid=107&volume_id=254&issue_id=275&volume_num=41&issue_num=14
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 5 January 2007 17:11 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 January 2007 17:18 (eighteen years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 5 January 2007 17:20 (eighteen years ago)
the ironing is delicious
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 5 January 2007 17:21 (eighteen years ago)
― Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Friday, 5 January 2007 17:37 (eighteen years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 5 January 2007 17:43 (eighteen years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 5 January 2007 17:44 (eighteen years ago)
― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Friday, 5 January 2007 19:14 (eighteen years ago)
― ‘•’u (gear), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:15 (eighteen years ago)
― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Friday, 5 January 2007 19:17 (eighteen years ago)
ho-ho -- the magic of cross-posting!
― tiit (tiit), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:19 (eighteen years ago)
― Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:24 (eighteen years ago)
― sean gramophone (Sean M), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:25 (eighteen years ago)
1. TV on the Radio - Return to Cookie Mountain (1338 points in 125 votes) 2. Ghostface Killah - Fishscale (1247 points in 118 votes) 3. The Hold Steady - Boys and Girls in America (1073 points in 95 votes) 4. Clipse - Hell Hath No Fury (1057 points in 102 votes) 5. Joanna Newsom - Ys (883 points in 84 votes) 6. Bob Dylan - Modern Times (749 points in 70 votes) 7. Gnarls Barkley - St. Elsewhere (623 points in 61 votes) 8. The Knife - Silent Shout (607 points in 56 votes) 9. Neko Case - Fox Confessor Brings the Flood (588 points in 58 votes) 10. Belle & Sebastian - The Life Pursuit (586 points in 54 votes) 11. Arctic Monkeys - Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not (571 points in 53 votes) 12. Sonic Youth - Rather Ripped (565 points in 57 votes) 13. Hot Chip - The Warning (529 points in 54 votes) 14. Justin Timberlake - FutureSex/LoveSounds (470 points in 44 votes) 15. Cat Power - The Greatest (444 points in 44 votes) 16. The Decemberists - The Crane Wife (434 points in 42 votes) 17. Girl Talk - Night Ripper (420 points in 38 votes) 18. Destroyer - Destroyer's Rubies (395 points in 37 votes) 19. Jenny Lewis with the Watson Twins - Rabbit Fur Coat (387 points in 38 votes) 20. Jay Dee aka J Dilla - Donuts (384 points in 35 votes) 21. T.I. - King (367 points in 36 votes) 22. Yo La Tengo - I Am Not Afraid of You and I Will Beat Your Ass (364 points in 33 votes) 23. Scott Walker - The Drift (350 points in 31 votes) 24. Mastodon - Blood Mountain (342 points in 30 votes) 25. Tom Waits - Orphans: Brawlers, Bawlers & Bastards (341 points in 32 votes) 26. The Roots - Game Theory (326 points in 32 votes) 27. The Thermals - The Body, the Blood, the Machine (315 points in 29 votes) 28. Lupe Fiasco - Food & Liquor (303 points in 33 votes) 29. Band of Horses - Everything All the Time (301 points in 31 votes) 30. Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Show Your Bones (293 points in 31 votes) 31. Lily Allen - Alright, Still (291 points in 30 votes) 32. Regina Spektor - Begin to Hope (284 points in 28 votes) 33. The Coup - Pick a Bigger Weapon (276 points in 28 votes) 34. Grizzly Bear - Yellow House (274 points in 29 votes) 35. Dixie Chicks - Taking the Long Way (274 points in 26 votes) 36. My Chemical Romance - The Black Parade (271 points in 29 votes) 37. Scritti Politti - White Bread, Black Beer (259 points in 23 votes) 38. Beirut - Gulag Orkestar (235 points in 22 votes) 39. Bruce Springsteen - We Shall Overcome: The Seeger Sessions (228 points in 21 votes) 40. DJ Drama & Lil Wayne - Dedication 2 (226 points in 24 votes) 41. Love Is All - Nine Times That Same Song (226 points in 23 votes) 42. Liars - Drum's Not Dead (226 points in 20 votes) 43. Junior Boys - So This Is Goodbye (218 points in 23 votes) 44. Thom Yorke - The Eraser (208 points in 22 votes) 45. Ornette Coleman - Sound Grammar (206 points in 19 votes) 46. Midlake - The Trials of Van Occupanther (200 points in 20 votes) 47. M. Ward - Post-War (181 points in 17 votes) 48. Peter, Bjorn & John - Writer's Block (175 points in 18 votes) 49. Burial - Burial (175 points in 15 votes) 50. The Raconteurs - Broken Boy Soldiers (174 points in 18 votes) 51. Ali Farka Toure - Savane (172 points in 17 votes) 52. Califone - Roots and Crowns (172 points in 16 votes) 53. CSS - Cansei De Ser Sexy (164 points in 17 votes) 54. Mission of Burma - The Obliterati (159 points in 15 votes) 55. Beck - The Information (157 points in 17 votes) 56. Brightblack Morning Light - Brightblack Morning Light (156 points in 15 votes) 57. Neil Young - Living with War (153 points in 15 votes) 58. Tim Hecker - Harmony in Ultraviolet (151 points in 15 votes) 59. Camera Obscura - Let's Get Out of This Country (147 points in 14 votes) 60. Matmos - The Rose Has Teeth in the Mouth of a Beast (140 points in 14 votes) 61. Todd Snider - The Devil You Know (140 points in 13 votes) 62. Boris - Pink (137 points in 14 votes) 63. Spank Rock - YoYoYoYoYo (136 points in 13 votes) 64. Islands - Return to the Sea (134 points in 14 votes) 65. Tom Ze - Estudando O Pagode (134 points in 12 votes) 66. The Blow - Paper Television (133 points in 14 votes) 67. The Game - Doctor's Advocate (132 points in 15 votes) 68. Johnny Cash - American V: A Hundred Highways (130 points in 13 votes) 69. The Strokes - First Impressions of Earth (130 points in 13 votes) 70. Silversun Pickups - Carnavas (122 points in 12 votes) 71. Art Brut - Bang Bang Rock 'n' Roll (121 points in 11 votes) 72. Phoenix - It's Never Been Like That (120 points in 13 votes) 73. Herbert - Scale (113 points in 11 votes) 74. Danielson - Ships (111 points in 11 votes) 75. The Long Blondes - Someone to Drive You Home (111 points in 11 votes) 76. Ellen Allien and Apparat - Orchestra of Bubbles (109 points in 12 votes) 77. Final Fantasy - He Poos Clouds (108 points in 11 votes) 78. New York Dolls - One Day It Will Please Us to Remember Even This (106 points in 9 votes) 79. Nas - Hip-Hop Is Dead (105 points in 9 votes) 80. The Black Angels - Passover (102 points in 11 votes) 81. Scissor Sisters - Ta-Dah (100 points in 11 votes) 82. The Mountain Goats - Get Lonely (98 points in 9 votes) 83. Man Man - Six Demon Bag (97 points in 9 votes) 84. The Ark - State of the Ark (97 points in 8 votes) 85. Rosanne Cash - Black Cadillac (94 points in 9 votes) 86. Sunset Rubdown - Shut Up I Am Dreaming (92 points in 10 votes) 87. Muse - Black Holes & Revelations (92 points in 9 votes) 88. Comets on Fire - Avatar (91 points in 10 votes) 89. Drive-By Truckers - A Blessing and a Cruse (91 points in 10 votes) 90. Kelis - Kelis Was Here (90 points in 9 votes) 91. Red Hot Chili Peppers - Stadium Arcadium (90 points in 7 votes) 92. Pearl Jam - Pearl Jam (89 points in 9 votes) 93. Wolfmother - Wolfmother (89 points in 9 votes) 94. Pernice Brothers - Live a Little (89 points in 8 votes) 95. Booka Shade - Movements (88 points in 9 votes) 96. Toumani Diabate's Symmetric Orchestra - Boulevard de l'Independence (87 points in 9 votes) 97. Be Your Own Pet - Be Your Own Pet (86 points in 9 votes) 98. Lindsey Buckingham - Under the Skin (86 points in 9 votes) 99. Juana Molina - Son (84 points in 9 votes) 100. The Rapture - Pieces of the People We Love (84 points in 9 votes)
― Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:30 (eighteen years ago)
1. Pavement - Wowee Zowee: Sordid Sentinels Edition (61 votes)2. Karen Dalton - In My Own Time (29 votes)3. Brian Eno and David Byrne - My Life in the Bush of Ghosts (28 votes)3. v/a - What It Is! Funky Soul and Rare Grooves (28 votes)5. v/a - Tropicalia! A Brazilian Revolution in Sound (25 votes)6. The Jesus & Mary Chain - Psychocandy (24 votes)7. Wire - Pink Flag (23 votes)8. R.E.M. - And I Feel Fine: The Best of the IRS Years (21 votes)9. Chavez - Better Days Will Haunt You (16 votes)9. The Clash - The Singles (16 votes)9. v/a - A Tom Moulton Mix (16 votes)12. Pretenders - Pretenders (15 votes)12. The Beatles - Love (15 votes)14. Dead Moon - Echoes of the Past (14 votes)14. Gram Parsons - The Complete Reprise Sessions (14 votes)14. Tortoise - A Lazarus Taxon (14 votes)16. Delta 5 - Singles & Sessions 1979-1981 (13 votes)16. Josef K - Entomology (13 votes)19. Johnny Cash - At San Quentin (Legacy Edition) (12 votes)19. Sebadoh - Sebadoh III (12 votes)
― Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:31 (eighteen years ago)
1. Gnarls Barkley - Crazy (169 votes)2. T.I. - What You Know (89 votes)3. Justin Timberlake ft. T.I. - My Love (79 votes)4. Christina Aguilera - Ain't No Other Man (51 votes)5. TV on the Radio - Wolf Like Me (49 votes)6. Nelly Furtado ft. Timbaland - Promiscuous (45 votes)7. Justin Timberlake - SexyBack (35 votes)7. The Raconteurs - Steady, as She Goes (35 votes)8. Hot Chip - Over and Over (33 votes) 1 for Solid Groove Remix10. Lupe Fiasco - Kick, Push (32 votes)10. Peter, Bjorn & John - Young Folks (32 votes)12. The Killers - When You Were Young (29 votes)13. My Chemical Romance - Welcome to the Black Parade (28 votes)14. Beyonce - Irreplaceable (26 votes)14. Rihanna - SOS (26 votes)16. Clipse - Wamp Wamp (What It Do) (24 votes)17. Camera Obscura - Lloyd, I'm Ready to Be Heartbroken (23 votes)18. Kelis - Bossy (22 votes) 1 for Alan Braxe & Fred Falke Remix19. Band of Horses - The Funeral (21 votes)19. Chamillionaire ft. Krayzie Bone - Ridin' (21 votes) 1 for NYPD Remix ft. Papoose & Jae Millz19. Lily Allen - LDN (21 votes)
― Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:32 (eighteen years ago)
― Make a Beck Song #1 (M Matos), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:33 (eighteen years ago)
― sean gramophone (Sean M), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:34 (eighteen years ago)
― Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:35 (eighteen years ago)
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:36 (eighteen years ago)
1 Gnarls Barkley 782 Timbaland 613 The Hold Steady 504 TV on the Radio 495 Ghostface Killah 476 Joanna Newsom 417 Bob Dylan 388 Lil Wayne 349 The Knife 2810 J Dilla 2611 Arctic Monkeys 2511 Dixie Chicks 2513 Clipse 2414 Justin Timberlake 2214 T.I. 2216 Cat Power 2117 Lily Allen 1918 Girl Talk 1619 Hot Chip 1520 Sonic Youth 1320 YouTube 1322 Beyoncé 1222 My Chemical Romance 1222 Neko Case 1222 The Decemberists 12
― Make a Beck Song #1 (M Matos), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:36 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:37 (eighteen years ago)
― Make a Beck Song #1 (M Matos), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:37 (eighteen years ago)
― f. scott baio (nate_patrin), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:38 (eighteen years ago)
― If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:39 (eighteen years ago)
Yes indeed. All the essays are sharp! I am no TVOTR fan (to kinda put it mildly) but I like reading great cases for bands I'm not fond of.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:39 (eighteen years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:39 (eighteen years ago)
― StanM (StanM), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:41 (eighteen years ago)
if you mean comments from voters, everyone who wrote them has theirs attached to their individual ballots.
― Make a Beck Song #1 (M Matos), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:42 (eighteen years ago)
xp King/Count T.I. is great x1000
― f. scott baio (nate_patrin), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:43 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:43 (eighteen years ago)
I kinda think they're eh. Mind you, Danava deserve more credit (and John D. agrees with me).
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:44 (eighteen years ago)
― Make a Beck Song #1 (M Matos), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:44 (eighteen years ago)
FYI, this is a kind of a pain in the ass. Have you considered a quip gallery?
― Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:45 (eighteen years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:47 (eighteen years ago)
Unfortunately they survived the assault.
― Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:47 (eighteen years ago)
Congrats on all the hard work, Matos.
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:47 (eighteen years ago)
Putting them under the category of "false/hipster metal" kinda threw me but I'd probably have to ask him, yeah. (How I first found out about 'em: watching Headbangers' Ball on MTV2 waiting for Wonder Showzen to come on)
― f. scott baio (nate_patrin), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:48 (eighteen years ago)
― Make a Beck Song #1 (M Matos), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:48 (eighteen years ago)
― f. scott baio (nate_patrin), Friday, 5 January 2007 19:51 (eighteen years ago)
― database update failed (sanskrit), Friday, 5 January 2007 20:01 (eighteen years ago)
(For some reason my ballot isn't listed)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 5 January 2007 20:02 (eighteen years ago)
― database update failed (sanskrit), Friday, 5 January 2007 20:05 (eighteen years ago)
― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Friday, 5 January 2007 20:07 (eighteen years ago)
― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Friday, 5 January 2007 20:08 (eighteen years ago)
― Make a Beck Song #1 (M Matos), Friday, 5 January 2007 20:08 (eighteen years ago)
matos compiled jackin pop with
stefan's stats: BEST ALBUMS OF 2006 (NOW 129 EOY-LISTS INCLUDED) http://pub37.bravenet.com/forum/3172289350/show/676337
both have tv on the radio 1 at number 1, i wonder what is the percentage similarity of the top 100
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 5 January 2007 20:08 (eighteen years ago)
― reverto levidensis (blueski), Friday, 5 January 2007 20:18 (eighteen years ago)
― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Friday, 5 January 2007 20:22 (eighteen years ago)
― do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Friday, 5 January 2007 20:23 (eighteen years ago)
― f. scott baio (nate_patrin), Friday, 5 January 2007 20:24 (eighteen years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 5 January 2007 20:25 (eighteen years ago)
― f. scott baio (nate_patrin), Friday, 5 January 2007 20:27 (eighteen years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 5 January 2007 20:31 (eighteen years ago)
― Make a Beck Song #1 (M Matos), Friday, 5 January 2007 20:31 (eighteen years ago)
― R_S (RSLaRue), Friday, 5 January 2007 20:34 (eighteen years ago)
http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/9270/gawkerio8.jpg
― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Friday, 5 January 2007 20:37 (eighteen years ago)
― pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 5 January 2007 20:38 (eighteen years ago)
― don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 5 January 2007 20:39 (eighteen years ago)
― maura (maura), Friday, 5 January 2007 20:39 (eighteen years ago)
― mts (theoreticalgirl), Friday, 5 January 2007 20:41 (eighteen years ago)
― ‘•’u (gear), Friday, 5 January 2007 20:45 (eighteen years ago)
― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Friday, 5 January 2007 20:46 (eighteen years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 5 January 2007 20:51 (eighteen years ago)
― reverto levidensis (blueski), Friday, 5 January 2007 20:51 (eighteen years ago)
― blackmail (blackmail.is.my.life), Friday, 5 January 2007 21:10 (eighteen years ago)
― Make a Beck Song #1 (M Matos), Friday, 5 January 2007 21:34 (eighteen years ago)
― blackmail (blackmail.is.my.life), Friday, 5 January 2007 21:35 (eighteen years ago)
― Make a Beck Song #1 (M Matos), Friday, 5 January 2007 21:43 (eighteen years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 5 January 2007 21:44 (eighteen years ago)
The ILX sandbox thread of 2006 lists for comparison.
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Friday, 5 January 2007 22:23 (eighteen years ago)
― R_S (RSLaRue), Friday, 5 January 2007 22:45 (eighteen years ago)
― marcg (marcg), Friday, 5 January 2007 22:51 (eighteen years ago)
― R_S (RSLaRue), Friday, 5 January 2007 22:56 (eighteen years ago)
The illos *are* awesome, enjoyed the essays, and it was swell to not have to wait two months to see results.
Not sure if I agree that 2006 was a dreadful year for music, but I myself was more lost in music from 50-80 years ago than ever, so I can't pretend to've been paying enough attention in the first place. The list itself was kind of a bore, though, which perhaps helps to back that up...
I would like to be able to click on a title and see who-all voted for it, and a round-up of choice quotes would be nice. (Though I think before I wrote my comments I drank Curmudgeon Juice so I'm glad it's not so easy to read those.)
Ohh, and I just realized I misspelled an artist's name! Gahhhh.
― Michael J McGonigal (mike mcgonigal), Friday, 5 January 2007 23:53 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 January 2007 00:02 (eighteen years ago)
― glenn mcdonald (glenn mcdonald), Saturday, 6 January 2007 01:34 (eighteen years ago)
― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Saturday, 6 January 2007 01:56 (eighteen years ago)
*technically not a "real" single, but wahtevors
― rock and roll for the rock and roll soul (nate_patrin), Saturday, 6 January 2007 02:30 (eighteen years ago)
― xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 6 January 2007 02:41 (eighteen years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Saturday, 6 January 2007 03:22 (eighteen years ago)
― rock and roll for the rock and roll soul (nate_patrin), Saturday, 6 January 2007 03:52 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 6 January 2007 04:44 (eighteen years ago)
― xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 6 January 2007 05:16 (eighteen years ago)
― A Radio Picture (Rrrickey), Saturday, 6 January 2007 09:42 (eighteen years ago)
― alext (alext), Saturday, 6 January 2007 12:16 (eighteen years ago)
Do you really? I feel very excluded when critics refer to one another by their first names - it increases the sense that there's some club that the reader hasn't been invited to.
― ampersand, hearts, semicolon (cis), Saturday, 6 January 2007 13:03 (eighteen years ago)
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Saturday, 6 January 2007 13:32 (eighteen years ago)
And using only my last name doesn't??? (I'm not saying he should've just called me by my first name. It's just that, you know, the journalistic convention of reverting to last-name-only on second reference does have a certain logic to it. Last-name-only on first reference is kind of weird. Not that I'm really complaining. I'm just narcisstic enough to wonder if there was an earlier reference that got edited out.) (Heck, even Matos himself gets a first name on the top of that essay! Usually even HE pretends he doesn't have one.)
― xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 6 January 2007 13:46 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 6 January 2007 13:56 (eighteen years ago)
― ampersand, hearts, semicolon (cis), Saturday, 6 January 2007 14:24 (eighteen years ago)
Because Ghostface Killah is yellow.
― StanM (StanM), Saturday, 6 January 2007 14:30 (eighteen years ago)
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Saturday, 6 January 2007 15:01 (eighteen years ago)
― and what (ooo), Saturday, 6 January 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Saturday, 6 January 2007 16:17 (eighteen years ago)
― reverto levidensis (blueski), Saturday, 6 January 2007 16:30 (eighteen years ago)
MS Paint only has like 16 colors, so it was either black or white, I assume.
― StanM (StanM), Saturday, 6 January 2007 17:26 (eighteen years ago)
― blackmail (blackmail.is.my.life), Saturday, 6 January 2007 17:58 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 January 2007 17:59 (eighteen years ago)
I have not examined the poll real closely but I do not think I see anyone from the salsa and Latin-Jazz magazine Latin Beat, or from fRoots, a Brit 'world' music magazine. Others may know better whether ballots were sent to Kelefah Sannah and others at the NY Times, and to various specialists at rap and techno magazines and to various little newspapers and blogs all over the world. I know it is hard to compile such a broad and varied list and to get people to respond, especially to a first-time effort. I am assuming Matos did not have access to the Voice's list from last year, and I can understand if he would not want to discuss that here as well!
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Saturday, 6 January 2007 18:38 (eighteen years ago)
On that long 2006 publications best-of thread that was on the ILX sandbox thread I kept seeing Midlake on lists by Brits. I keep meaning to google or go to allmusic to find out who they are myself. I guess I must have missed whatever threads they appeared on here, if they did?
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Saturday, 6 January 2007 18:45 (eighteen years ago)
haha that's definitely an oversight. I wrote the essay in pieces over a month and then stitched it together so I probably referred offhandedly to Chuck and Bob Christgau just by last names figuring I'd ID them more thoroughly at the top, then forgetting to. I'll have it fixed.
(And Chuck, most everyone I know calls me "Michael" or "Michaelangelo.")
― Make a Beck Song #1 (M Matos), Saturday, 6 January 2007 19:05 (eighteen years ago)
― Rod Smith (Biggie Stardust), Saturday, 6 January 2007 23:52 (eighteen years ago)
― Rod Smith (Biggie Stardust), Sunday, 7 January 2007 00:06 (eighteen years ago)
― rock and roll for the rock and roll soul (nate_patrin), Sunday, 7 January 2007 00:39 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 7 January 2007 00:50 (eighteen years ago)
― Tom Lane (jetfan), Sunday, 7 January 2007 00:53 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 January 2007 00:54 (eighteen years ago)
― rock and roll for the rock and roll soul (nate_patrin), Sunday, 7 January 2007 00:58 (eighteen years ago)
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Sunday, 7 January 2007 03:05 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 January 2007 03:09 (eighteen years ago)
And thanks, Scott! Glad you dug the essay.
― Rod Smith (Biggie Stardust), Sunday, 7 January 2007 03:21 (eighteen years ago)
― Rod Smith (Biggie Stardust), Sunday, 7 January 2007 03:56 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 January 2007 03:58 (eighteen years ago)
(Slightly blue-skying here.)
― Rod Smith (Biggie Stardust), Sunday, 7 January 2007 04:25 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 7 January 2007 04:41 (eighteen years ago)
I didn't see sfj, but J-Hop and (uh) J-Shep did vote:
http://www.idolator.com/?op=jp_showpoll&user_id=44302http://www.idolator.com/?op=jp_showpoll&user_id=44688
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 7 January 2007 04:54 (eighteen years ago)
Also open to kinda thrashy but kinda Husker Du-ish/Bad Brainical '80sishstuff, like maybe a scuzzy muttering version of Anthrax or something.
― rock and roll for the rock and roll soul (nate_patrin), Sunday, 7 January 2007 05:14 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 January 2007 05:28 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 7 January 2007 05:33 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 January 2007 05:45 (eighteen years ago)
― Rod Smith (Biggie Stardust), Sunday, 7 January 2007 11:06 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 January 2007 15:10 (eighteen years ago)
― and what (ooo), Sunday, 7 January 2007 16:03 (eighteen years ago)
― and what (ooo), Sunday, 7 January 2007 16:04 (eighteen years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 7 January 2007 16:08 (eighteen years ago)
― veronica moser (veronica moser), Sunday, 7 January 2007 16:25 (eighteen years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 7 January 2007 19:03 (eighteen years ago)
― maura (maura), Sunday, 7 January 2007 19:36 (eighteen years ago)
They're not Mastodon, but Envy are pretty heavy and great.
― jodi, samurai photographer (burun), Sunday, 7 January 2007 20:23 (eighteen years ago)
Yeah, sorry, I knew that. Sound Opinions just makes me think of them together.
― jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 7 January 2007 20:43 (eighteen years ago)
― Make a Beck Song #1 (M Matos), Sunday, 7 January 2007 21:40 (eighteen years ago)
Maybe, in light of the pre- coffee time of the morning I wrote that, it was kinda silly for me to ask that question of you, given your responsibilities as the poll co-ordinator. But is there a need for you to be that caustic?
in any case, well done!
― veronica moser (veronica moser), Sunday, 7 January 2007 22:18 (eighteen years ago)
― Make a Beck Song #1 (M Matos), Sunday, 7 January 2007 22:28 (eighteen years ago)
― ‘•’u (gear), Sunday, 7 January 2007 22:34 (eighteen years ago)
― Make a Beck Song #1 (M Matos), Sunday, 7 January 2007 22:39 (eighteen years ago)
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 00:58 (eighteen years ago)
2006 Idolator Jackin' Pop Critical Alignment Ratingshttp://www.furia.com/page.cgi?type=twas&id=twas0508b&sortfield=2
― glenn mcdonald (glenn mcdonald), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 02:50 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 02:51 (eighteen years ago)
― N.i.c.o.l.e (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 03:05 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 03:12 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 03:13 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 03:14 (eighteen years ago)
― jodi, samurai photographer (burun), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 03:15 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 03:16 (eighteen years ago)
― friday on the porch (lfam), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 03:18 (eighteen years ago)
― Make a Beck Song #1 (M Matos), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 03:25 (eighteen years ago)
That's gotta count for something. Not sure what, though.
― jodi, samurai photographer (burun), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 03:27 (eighteen years ago)
― Make a Beck Song #1 (M Matos), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 03:28 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 03:31 (eighteen years ago)
― N.i.c.o.l.e (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 03:32 (eighteen years ago)
― Make a Beck Song #1 (M Matos), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 03:34 (eighteen years ago)
I'm anti-points, myself, and always ignore them for the purposes of my analyses, but if you're also planning to replace the raw ballots with the corrected ones, and link the artists to the list of voters for each, that would definitely be a browsability improvement.
Also, the search engine seems to have a problem finding artists with short names. Try searching for CSS or Mew and you don't find those bands.
(And I emailed you a list of other minor tabulation things I spotted while I was normalizing data for my calculations...)
― glenn mcdonald (glenn mcdonald), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 03:54 (eighteen years ago)
I forget that points are irrelevant to your stats; they're important to me because I have to calculate the damn thing. (I'm still planning to do a non-singles-voter tabulation once the vote-points are up.)
― Make a Beck Song #1 (M Matos), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 03:57 (eighteen years ago)
Not that I want to suggest MORE work for anyone doing a poll, but it does irk me a bit that SO much attention is paid to complex points systems for the albums, and voters' singles aren't even ranked. A fresh hott young poll has an ideal opportunity to change this archaic system.
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:16 (eighteen years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:18 (eighteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:20 (eighteen years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:22 (eighteen years ago)
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:26 (eighteen years ago)
― lex pretend (lex pretend), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:30 (eighteen years ago)
No, Don A and MFG were ranked lower.
Bottom 9th percentile for me ... I was around the bottom 23rd percentile in P&J last year, so I'm ... improving?.
― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:30 (eighteen years ago)
― lex pretend (lex pretend), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:32 (eighteen years ago)
276, way more conservative than last years P&J equiv. :(
― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:33 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.furia.com/twas/twas0508b1.png
Statistically speaking, I think these are about the same. The red one is the Voice's, and you'd expect it to be a little smoother for having more voters.
― glenn mcdonald (glenn mcdonald), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)
― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 15:49 (eighteen years ago)
[edit]Albums1990: Cold Hands1995: Boss Hog2000: Whiteout[edit]Mini Albums & EP's1989: Drinkin', Lechin' & Lyin' (mini-album)1993: Girl Positive (vinyl EP)1993: Girl Positive + (CD extended EP)[edit]Singles1990: Action Box1996: I Dig You1996: Winn Coma2000: Whiteout2000: Old School2000: Get It While You Wait2000: Itchy & Scratchy
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 15:52 (eighteen years ago)
― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 15:54 (eighteen years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 15:54 (eighteen years ago)
― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 16:07 (eighteen years ago)
― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 16:09 (eighteen years ago)
― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 16:11 (eighteen years ago)
― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 16:13 (eighteen years ago)
― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 16:14 (eighteen years ago)
lol
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 16:14 (eighteen years ago)
― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 16:16 (eighteen years ago)
― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)
^^^ real lyric
― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)
'instead of tryna take land / yall should shake hands'
― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 16:22 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 16:23 (eighteen years ago)
― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 16:24 (eighteen years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 16:26 (eighteen years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 16:28 (eighteen years ago)
anybody want the song where killarmy samples the mash theme?
― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)
― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)
― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 16:36 (eighteen years ago)
― Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 17:42 (eighteen years ago)
― Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 17:45 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 18:15 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.furia.com/page.cgi?type=twas&id=twas0508c
― glenn mcdonald (glenn mcdonald), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:31 (eighteen years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:41 (eighteen years ago)
this makes really good sense for some reason
― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:43 (eighteen years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:48 (eighteen years ago)
― Make a Beck Song #1 (M Matos), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:47 (eighteen years ago)
― Mordechai Shinefield (Mordy), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:50 (eighteen years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:53 (eighteen years ago)
- The closest anybody comes to losing their own poll is DJ Drama and Lil Wayne. Of the 24 voters who voted for Dedication 2, 21 of them also voted for Clipse's Hell Hath No Fury. In no other case is this ratio much lower than 2:1.
- The only artists whose subset polls don't have Ghostface Killah in the top 10 are Band of Horses, Midlake, the Dixie Chicks and Bruce Springsteen.
- In the top 10 according to the 29 people who voted for Mastodon, Converge comes in tied for 7th. Converge only got 8 votes total, but 6 of those people also voted for Mastodon. Converge shares 7th with Clipse, who got 99 votes total, but only 6 from Mastodon voters. There are only three or four other albums with fewer than 10 total votes that would make the top 10 according to the voters for any album with 20+ votes, and those are all from smaller samples (3 or 4 votes).
- The Dixie Chicks, despite receiving only 26 votes total, came in 3rd among Springsteen voters, 7th among Bob Dylan voters, and 9th among Jenny Lewis voters.
- DJ Drama and Lil Wayne, despite receiving only 24 votes total, came in 4th among Scritti Politti voters, 5th among Justin Timberlake and TI and Clipse voters, 7th among My Chemical Romance voters, and 8th among J Dilla voters.
- The biggest jump into 2nd place is Grizzly Bear, who come in 2nd among Midlake voters. Midlake, however, doesn't even make the top 10 according to Grizzly Bear voters. Presumably this means war.
― glenn mcdonald (glenn mcdonald), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 22:26 (eighteen years ago)
Coup · Pick a Bigger Weapon overlaps with Bob Dylan · Modern Times (0.224)DJ Drama & Lil Wayne · Dedication 2 overlaps with Scritti Politti · White Bread, Black Beer (0.217)Joanna Newsom · Ys overlaps with Ghostface Killah · Fishscale (0.241)My Chemical Romance · The Black Parade overlaps with DJ Drama & Lil Wayne · Dedication 2 (0.235)
― max (maxreax), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 22:28 (eighteen years ago)
"Laugh, Love, and Fuck Alicia Keys"
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 22:32 (eighteen years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 22:34 (eighteen years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 22:37 (eighteen years ago)
340 Brandon Stosuy 10 165 44475 340 NYCNative 10 165 44903
We are tied. I do like his ballot - he is apparently in league. I do not know him but know of him. I cannot help but think he posts here; if so, hello Brandon!
― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 23:29 (eighteen years ago)
― blackmail (blackmail.is.my.life), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 00:47 (eighteen years ago)
Why yes...
This is the thread where I repost comments from the Jackin' Pop poll...
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 01:17 (eighteen years ago)
- Only Ghostface Killah voters voted for E-40's My Ghetto Report Card- Only Bob Dylan voters voted for Los Lobos' The Town and the City- (And with only one exception, only Bob Dylan voters voted for Elvis Costello and Allen Toussaint.)
The larger picture is that the votes are much more factional than you might guess from the overall tally. We have definitely not reached any kind of melting-pot nirvana where enlightened music critics jump the boundaries between hip-hop/dance/blues/twee/whatever in search of pure greatness...
― glenn mcdonald (glenn mcdonald), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:39 (eighteen years ago)
― Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:45 (eighteen years ago)
― Tim Ellison = NUMBER ONE ADVOCATE OF YOU-KNOW-WHAT ON NU-ILX!!! (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:51 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:56 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:01 (eighteen years ago)
I wouldn't guess any different, and expect this trend to continue in years to come.
We have definitely not reached any kind of melting-pot nirvana where enlightened music critics jump the boundaries between hip-hop/dance/blues/twee/whatever in search of pure greatness...
Anyone expecting this kind of result has had their head in the sand for the past five years or more.
― don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 11 January 2007 01:20 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.idolator.com/?op=jp_showpoll&user_id=41639
Loboslessness in, Loboslessness out.
― glenn mcdonald (glenn mcdonald), Thursday, 11 January 2007 02:06 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 11 January 2007 02:10 (eighteen years ago)
― don (dow), Thursday, 11 January 2007 21:20 (eighteen years ago)
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Friday, 12 January 2007 06:49 (eighteen years ago)
― Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Friday, 12 January 2007 07:22 (eighteen years ago)
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:39 (eighteen years ago)
― ‘•’u (gear), Friday, 12 January 2007 18:17 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.furia.com/page.cgi?type=twas&id=twas0508b
― glenn mcdonald (glenn mcdonald), Friday, 12 January 2007 21:52 (eighteen years ago)
Pazz and JopBill Jensen
Spit and sweat. Vodka and pills. Chunks of sod, delta mud, lighter fluid and a well-placed red snapper. That's what popular music is made of. Oh, and this year, add plenty of piss and moan to the mix, since some people who used to make a living going to shows and writing prose about music traded in their +1s for whiny chain emails and ILM message board posts about how the Village Voice is killing music criticism.
Welcome to the Pazz and Jop poll.
In an era when dailies are cutting arts critics by the dozens, the Village Voice is hiring new arts writers for newly created positions. The paper is owned by Village Voice Media, a company that spends millions of dollars a year paying music journalists across 17 American cities. VVM doesn't like thumbsuckers who sit on their ass and stare into their distended navels while hungrier writers are out in the clubs. It's just a little quirk of ours. Get over it.
Many of our writers, along with hundreds from other media outlets, make up this year's Pazz and Jop poll, the 33rd (or 34th) annual poll in which America's top music critics weigh in on the year's best music. Pazz and Jop is the most important critic's poll of the year. It was only a matter of time before someone tried to copy it.
You may have heard that a local gossip website was going to launch its own music poll. You heard it because mainstream media has had a stick up its ass about the alternative weekly universe since the Voice changed hands a year ago. Michaelangelo Matos is a critic who got his start in the alt-weekly world, collecting some of his first freelance paychecks from Village Voice Media newspapers and even working as music editor of the VVM-owned Seattle Weekly before he quit rather than have to actually speak to the new owners. After fleeing the Weekly, it didn't take long for Matos to tire of blogging snotty remarks about his successor at the paper. So he turned chickenshit into chicken salad by trying to run his own music poll on a three-month old sister blog of Gawker, a website which spent 2006 worrying whether Radar would ever publish another issue again while giving us updates on Tony Danza 's ordering habits at Balducci's.
The Village Voice, even after parting ways with long-time music critic and Pazz and Jop founder Robert Christgau, was still conducting its Pazz and Jop Poll. So who gives a shit about a three-month old blog doing a poll of its own?
No one, other than 55-year-old white guys who spend their nights snapping the rubberband of their ponytail while listening to Yo La Tengo reissues that get sent directly to their apartment (since they don't want that upstart calendar editor making 24k a year sorting through their mail back at the office).
Some of those critics, aided by carefully placed PR calls and some daily-newspaper-editor stroking, started the pile-on, attacking the Village Voice after parent company Village Voice Media decided it would rather have in its employ writers who actually went to shows and did some reporting on the artists they were writing about.
Until now, the Village Voice has not commented on any of these non-stories. But at some point, the bullshit gets so thick that you have to flush the toilet and clear the air.
Although many of the stories referred to Pazz and Jop as a venerable and cherished institution, most of these media outlets had little or nothing to say about the poll in year's past, usually not reporting on it at all. They were only interested in our cultural treasure when someone tried to piss on it and they could add their own stream-of-conscience to the golden shower. NPR--an entity living off the teat of government subsidies and Ray Kroc's widow's transfat-drenched death money--decided there was a national story in a guy with a website doing a music poll just like the Village Voice.
"Many of the country's most prominent critics, including Tom Moon of The Philadelphia Inquirer, Ann Powers of The Los Angeles Times and Jim Derogatis of The Chicago Sun-Times have told NPR that they won't be voting in the [Pazz and Jop] poll this year," said the story. Never mind the fact that two out of three of the critics they mentioned by name have collected paychecks from public radio, one of them an old acquaintance of Matos' from Seattle. Silly NPR, full disclosure is for kids. (NPR, which conducted a circle jerk of former Voice employees in a 2006 story, was good enough to tell the listener that Mr. Christgau is now a paid contributor of NPR.) The New York Times and the LA Times joined the whine parade as well--and if the mainstream media runs with a story, you know the conspiracy theorists at the San Francisco Bay Guardian will be right there to pick it up after a few months.
Gawker sent out its invitations to critics in November. How did they get people to contribute? With a small bribe. "As an added bonus," Matos wrote at the bottom of the ballot he sent to more than 1,200 critics, "once you've accepted the invitation, you'll be able to post comments on all Gawker Media blogs." Translation: the once-powerless music critic who accepted the invitation would now be able to call people "douches" under relative anonymity.
Matos kicked off his cover version of Pazz & Jop with a 5,000 word essay in which he mentioned himself more than 125 times. That's something he likes to do, as anyone who read his pamphlet on Prince's Sign O' the Times can attest to.
"I rooted for the Hold Steady on principle, though I do wish their most acclaimed album wasn't also their weakest," wrote Matos, who must have been really tired by the end of it all. Otherwise he would have never written a sentence that made him sound like such a tool (and would easily have earned "douche chill of the week" honors from Gawker, had they not been paying the guy who wrote it).
We're all dancing about architecture. At the end of the day, you don't want to read Matos' rail on about how so very hard it was to put his Gawker poll together, and how he couldn't have guessed how so many critics would have voted for Gnarl's Barkley's "Crazy" as song of the year" (regardless of the fact that "Crazy" was christened song of the year by every music critic back in June). You don't want to hear how some critics are boycotting this poll, or boycotting the other poll, or voting in both.
No.
You just want to know what the best music is to dance to/drink to/fuck to/live to.
That's what the music sections of Village Voice Media ultimately deliver.
Village Voice kills music criticism? Dewey Defeats Truman, Motherfuckers.
― max (maxreax), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:06 (eighteen years ago)
combined with this
So... the bribe is that we can post comments on "a website which spent 2006 worrying whether Radar would ever publish another issue again while giving us updates on Tony Danza 's ordering habits at Balducci's"?
― max (maxreax), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:09 (eighteen years ago)
― max (maxreax), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:10 (eighteen years ago)
CUT THE TEAT CUT THE TEAT
― max (maxreax), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:12 (eighteen years ago)
― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:14 (eighteen years ago)
― roger goodell (gear), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:16 (eighteen years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:17 (eighteen years ago)
I certainly wouldn't be looking at the village voice for that!
― Good Dog (Good Dog), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:18 (eighteen years ago)
― max (maxreax), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:20 (eighteen years ago)
Right, and Christgau never talked about himself in any of his annual P&J essays.
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:21 (eighteen years ago)
― roger goodell (gear), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:23 (eighteen years ago)
i wonder if this essay will cause anyone to regret voting in P&J
If it's real, it makes me all the more glad I didn't vote in it.
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:25 (eighteen years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:26 (eighteen years ago)
― roger goodell (gear), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:29 (eighteen years ago)
― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:29 (eighteen years ago)
― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:30 (eighteen years ago)
― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:32 (eighteen years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:34 (eighteen years ago)
There's a lot to be said about clubrats having a needed perspective on music. Thing is, those clubrats blog now. The Internet is eating up the fucking Village Voice and devouring its relevance.
That's the pinch here. This isn't a shot across the bow at Matos as much as it is to Gawker media.
In a different day and age, the Voice would see the Internet for what it is.
― don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:35 (eighteen years ago)
― don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:40 (eighteen years ago)
― max (maxreax), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:41 (eighteen years ago)
― roger goodell (gear), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:52 (eighteen years ago)
― M. V. (M.V.), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:19 (eighteen years ago)
― max (maxreax), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:29 (eighteen years ago)
Wah!!! Making this album was painful! Wah!!! Try roofing a house, dick.
Yes, Beck claims that Information, released this week, almost broke him. It broke him so much so that he didn’t even bother coming up with cover art.
But that didn’t stop the Thin White Puke from delivering yet another burst of coolness — he’s letting you design the album cover.
The CD comes with a four-page blank insert and four sheets of psychedelic-cum-folk-art stickers designed by artists like Jasper Goodall and Han Leeto. We had thePhoenix.com blogs On The Download (bottom) and Slop Culture (top) take a crack at designing the ultimate Beck album cover.
It was pretty painful.
For the 13 people that bought the album instead of dowloading it, send your cover creations to slopculture@phx.com.
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:41 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.thephoenix.com/article_ektid7852.aspxhttp://www.thephoenix.com/article_ektid10015.aspx
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:45 (eighteen years ago)
― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:54 (eighteen years ago)
-- Forksclovetofu (forksclovetof...), January 31st, 2007
Sorry, couldn't resist.
I would certainly hope they are above publishing this bullshit, especially since most of those reading the essay probably don't follow rockcrit politics.
― The Reverend Rodney J. Greene in a DIE BLIPSTER SCUM! tee (R. J. Greene), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:59 (eighteen years ago)
"our cultural treasure" pah!
― veronica moser (veronica moser), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 23:16 (eighteen years ago)
― Make a Beck Song #1 (M Matos), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 23:18 (eighteen years ago)
This characterization is kind of weird to me, because the impression that I've gotten is that the people most likely to have boycotted Pazz and Jop were young freelancers who embraced the new digital alternative.
Plus, the new Yo La Tengo album finished #22 on Jackin' Pop, and I'm willing to bet it's higher on P&J, since that's the kind of album that will benefit from presumably fewer votes for the Knife, Hot Chip, etc.
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 23:25 (eighteen years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 23:31 (eighteen years ago)
No Ned pics, plz.
― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 23:33 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 23:34 (eighteen years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 23:34 (eighteen years ago)
this piece is awesome, btw. so full of meow!
― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 23:34 (eighteen years ago)
― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 23:37 (eighteen years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 23:37 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 23:40 (eighteen years ago)
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 23:45 (eighteen years ago)
― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 23:48 (eighteen years ago)
― M. V. (M.V.), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 23:58 (eighteen years ago)
― veronica moser (veronica moser), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 23:59 (eighteen years ago)
― max (maxreax), Thursday, 1 February 2007 00:25 (eighteen years ago)
― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 1 February 2007 00:29 (eighteen years ago)
― max (maxreax), Thursday, 1 February 2007 00:36 (eighteen years ago)
It would be presumptive to guess one way or the other, but suffice to say that it can be either, or both! Each blowjob is like a snowflake...
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 1 February 2007 00:37 (eighteen years ago)
Wiki: Virtually every prediction... indicated that incumbent President Harry S. Truman would be defeated by Republican Thomas Dewey. Truman won, overcoming a three-way split in his own party.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/28/Deweytruman12.jpgThe Chicago Tribune had gone so far as to print “DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN” on election night as its headline for the following day. A famous photograph shows Truman grinning and holding up a copy of that newspaper.
― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 1 February 2007 01:37 (eighteen years ago)
― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 1 February 2007 01:39 (eighteen years ago)
― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 1 February 2007 01:43 (eighteen years ago)
― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 1 February 2007 01:46 (eighteen years ago)
― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 1 February 2007 01:50 (eighteen years ago)
― bobby bedelia (van dover), Thursday, 1 February 2007 04:06 (eighteen years ago)
FEBRUARTY 8TH...The Hindercaust
― The Reverend Rodney J. Greene in a DIE BLIPSTER SCUM! tee (R. J. Greene), Thursday, 1 February 2007 06:50 (eighteen years ago)
― A Radio Picture (Rrrickey), Thursday, 1 February 2007 06:54 (eighteen years ago)
― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 1 February 2007 07:32 (eighteen years ago)
― The Reverend Rodney J. Greene in a DIE BLIPSTER SCUM! tee (R. J. Greene), Thursday, 1 February 2007 07:40 (eighteen years ago)
Feb. 7, actually, not 8.
― Make a Beck Song #1 (M Matos), Thursday, 1 February 2007 08:25 (eighteen years ago)
That thing has to be one of the most asinine things I've ever read. First off, 80 percent of all music writing/reporting -- even the best of it -- is done sitting on your ass, even for folks out there in the clubs talking to the artists and promoters or working deeper stories. Going out into the field is a significant part of any editorial job, but most of what is done comes from hours spent listening to music, researching music scenes, making and receiving phone calls and writing. The club appearances and the such are as cosmetic as anything ... be out there and observe, talk to players and network and promote your publication.
But most good arts coverage is an accomplishment of mind, not pure sweat ethic, ultimately.
That essay is classic puppet bullshit.
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Thursday, 1 February 2007 15:25 (eighteen years ago)
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Thursday, 1 February 2007 15:55 (eighteen years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 1 February 2007 15:58 (eighteen years ago)
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:02 (eighteen years ago)
― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:04 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:22 (eighteen years ago)
LOL
― If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Thursday, 1 February 2007 17:02 (eighteen years ago)
― M@tt He1g3s0n: oh u mad cuz im stylin on u (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 1 February 2007 17:21 (eighteen years ago)
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Thursday, 1 February 2007 17:26 (eighteen years ago)
― Make a Beck Song #1 (M Matos), Thursday, 1 February 2007 17:27 (eighteen years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 1 February 2007 17:29 (eighteen years ago)
― If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Thursday, 1 February 2007 17:30 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 1 February 2007 17:35 (eighteen years ago)
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Thursday, 1 February 2007 17:38 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 1 February 2007 17:44 (eighteen years ago)
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Thursday, 1 February 2007 17:47 (eighteen years ago)
― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 1 February 2007 17:49 (eighteen years ago)
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Thursday, 1 February 2007 17:51 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 1 February 2007 17:51 (eighteen years ago)
― Make a Beck Song #1 (M Matos), Thursday, 1 February 2007 17:59 (eighteen years ago)
Oh, I'm just guessing that Dylan will get more votes in P n J. That is why I said "I think." If I had real insider knowledge of actual tabulated P & J votes, New Times/VV Media would uh, take care of me, before I could leak them!
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Thursday, 1 February 2007 18:02 (eighteen years ago)
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Thursday, 1 February 2007 18:10 (eighteen years ago)
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Thursday, 1 February 2007 18:27 (eighteen years ago)
― Make a Beck Song #1 (M Matos), Thursday, 1 February 2007 18:48 (eighteen years ago)
― chris herrington (chris herrington), Thursday, 1 February 2007 19:35 (eighteen years ago)
― roger goodell (gear), Thursday, 1 February 2007 19:44 (eighteen years ago)
While it would be much smarter for me to stay out of this, comments like this demand that I clarify: The writer speaks only for the writer and maybe one or two malcontents in Phoenix; that piece is NOT running in the Voice. I am seriously saddened that that ill-thought and ill-targeted essay has succeeded in undermining the work done by Rob and everyone who contributed to the poll. "Village Voice Media" =/= Village Voice.
― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 1 February 2007 21:12 (eighteen years ago)
Most of people who "refuse to vote" or "regret" voting in Pazz & Jop have no problem giving their opinions to people who AREN'T asking for it all day long.
― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 1 February 2007 21:59 (eighteen years ago)
― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 1 February 2007 22:03 (eighteen years ago)
― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 1 February 2007 22:04 (eighteen years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 1 February 2007 22:05 (eighteen years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 1 February 2007 22:08 (eighteen years ago)
yeah yr all opinion sluts, that's why i'll never put a ring on yr fingers....why buy the cow when you can get the blog for free?
― M@tt He1g3s0n: oh u mad cuz im stylin on u (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 1 February 2007 22:10 (eighteen years ago)
"Hard Rock Cafe" =/= Hard Rock Cafe NYC
― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 1 February 2007 22:11 (eighteen years ago)
― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 1 February 2007 22:15 (eighteen years ago)
― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 1 February 2007 22:17 (eighteen years ago)
― roger goodell (gear), Thursday, 1 February 2007 22:19 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 1 February 2007 22:20 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 1 February 2007 22:23 (eighteen years ago)
― M@tt He1g3s0n: oh u mad cuz im stylin on u (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 1 February 2007 22:24 (eighteen years ago)
― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 2 February 2007 00:48 (eighteen years ago)
Is this because you believe that lots of publishers are less than noble and therefore contributing to the New Times/VV Media poll is not an endorsement of their methods of doing business; or is it because Christgau is contributing a ballot even though they fired him; or it's like buying gas from Exxon--you know it's a company that's done bad things, but your car is running low on gas and your boycott of them won't change things; or something else (wanting to show your 'refined' ballot, even if it's in a publication with less than nice owners).
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Friday, 2 February 2007 05:43 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 2 February 2007 05:53 (eighteen years ago)
I honestly didn't think twice about voting in either. They both seem like nice enough polls to me.
― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 2 February 2007 06:00 (eighteen years ago)
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Friday, 2 February 2007 06:15 (eighteen years ago)
The more I think about it, your first guess was dead on:
"because you believe that lots of publishers are less than noble and therefore contributing to the New Times/VV Media poll is not an endorsement of their methods of doing business."
― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 2 February 2007 06:23 (eighteen years ago)
― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 2 February 2007 06:24 (eighteen years ago)
― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 2 February 2007 06:25 (eighteen years ago)
-- curmudgeon (curmudgeo...), February 1st, 2007.
it's because the punchline was the next line down.
― Welcome to the Pazz and Jop poll. (M Matos), Friday, 2 February 2007 08:59 (eighteen years ago)
― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 21:52 (eighteen years ago)
albumshttp://www.villagevoice.com/pazzandjop06/winners.php?type=albumThe albums poll combines ballots from 494 critics, who divided 100 points among 10 2006 titles.
singleshttp://www.villagevoice.com/pazzandjop06/winners.php?type=single
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 21:59 (eighteen years ago)
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:00 (eighteen years ago)
Jackin' Pop = 497 ballots [Idolator / Gawker]PazzandJop = 494 ballots [Village Voice / New Times]
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:03 (eighteen years ago)
1 Dylan, Bob - Modern Times 1123(95) 2 TV on the Radio - Return To Cookie Mountain 1109(99) 3 Ghostface Killah - Fishscale 1031(96) 4 Hold Steady, The - Boys and Girls in America 983(81) 5 Gnarls Barkley - St Elsewhere 791(71) 6 Arctic Monkeys - Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not 718(63) 7 Clipse - Hell Hath No Fury 673(63) 8 Case, Neko - Fox Confessor Brings the Flood 645(64) 9 Newsom, Joanna - Ys 626(59) 10 Waits, Tom - Orphans: Brawlers, Bawlers & Bastards 608(51) 11 Cat Power - The Greatest 566(57) 12 Sonic Youth - Rather Ripped 500(49) 13 Decemberists, The - The Crane Wife 440(42) 14 Belle and Sebastian - The Life Pursuit 423(38) 15 Jenny Lewis with the Watson Twins - Rabbit Fur Coat 366(37)
― roger goodell (gear), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:12 (eighteen years ago)
― roger goodell (gear), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:13 (eighteen years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:14 (eighteen years ago)
― max (maxreax), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:20 (eighteen years ago)
Clover, SterlingMiccio, Anthony
― max (maxreax), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:21 (eighteen years ago)
Harvell, JessMiccio, AnthonyWood, Mikael
― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:21 (eighteen years ago)
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:22 (eighteen years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:23 (eighteen years ago)
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:25 (eighteen years ago)
Old Media [Village Voice / New Times] took over and 4 and half weeks later to publish results on February 6th
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:27 (eighteen years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:28 (eighteen years ago)
― pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:29 (eighteen years ago)
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:29 (eighteen years ago)
― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:30 (eighteen years ago)
A few unkind words for us with regards to Pazz & Jop's patriarch
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:31 (eighteen years ago)
yeah but where's pazz & jop's AWESOME MS PAINT DRAWINGS
― max (maxreax), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:31 (eighteen years ago)
― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:32 (eighteen years ago)
― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:33 (eighteen years ago)
― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:33 (eighteen years ago)
― max (maxreax), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:34 (eighteen years ago)
― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:35 (eighteen years ago)
JESS GOT SONNED IN A POLL BEEF
― max (maxreax), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:36 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:36 (eighteen years ago)
but overall there's been a return to a default-mode rockism that prizes substance, complexity, edge. If TV on the Radio and Joanna Newsom represent the beguiling, easy-on-the-ear version of those values, those looking for a harder hit are turning to metal, dubstep, noise.
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:43 (eighteen years ago)
― Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:47 (eighteen years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:49 (eighteen years ago)
So did Jim DeRogatis.
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:54 (eighteen years ago)
wonder if this was before or after their artist drew a black dude getting run over by a white dude
― a.b. (alanbanana), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:56 (eighteen years ago)
― fukasaku bloodbath (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:59 (eighteen years ago)
also i note that xgau voted but eddy didn't. i forget if he posted that he just forgot the deadline and didn't give a damn or something.
also omg that ott essay.
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:25 (eighteen years ago)
― roger goodell (gear), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:26 (eighteen years ago)
this is, uh... not true?
― fuck yr face blogger (a_p), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:28 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:30 (eighteen years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:31 (eighteen years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:32 (eighteen years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:41 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:53 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:55 (eighteen years ago)
= [
― The Reverend Rodney J. Greene (R. J. Greene), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:57 (eighteen years ago)
this is the biggest betrayal YET.
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:58 (eighteen years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 00:01 (eighteen years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 00:03 (eighteen years ago)
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 00:04 (eighteen years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 00:12 (eighteen years ago)
Ask Roger Ebert about Richard Roeper.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 00:31 (eighteen years ago)
+73 Peter Bjorn & John+44 Love is All+36 Beirut+35 DJ Drama/Lil Wayne+35 Liars+22 Girl Talk+20 Mastodon+18 Grizzly Bear+18 Junior Boys+17 Destroyer+14 The Thermals+14 Justin Timberlake+10 J. Dilla+9 Hot Chip
DID BETTER ON PAZZ & JOP
+74 Elvis Costello/Allen Toussaint+58 Roseanne Cash+47 Pernice Brothers+35 New York Dolls+24 Ornette Coleman+24 The Raconteurs+23 Johnny Cash+22 Beck+20 Bruce Springsteen+19 My Chemical Romance+15 The Dixie Chicks+15 Tom Waits+12 Todd Snider+9 Neil Young
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 00:43 (eighteen years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 00:44 (eighteen years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 00:51 (eighteen years ago)
― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 00:58 (eighteen years ago)
A sampling:
1. "self-absorption, editorial and intellectual laziness, and an overt susceptibility to peer pressure that's led to a disdainful homogeneity of opinion"
2. "Everyone who's telling you to listen to the same 50 records is caught in a closed loop of incestuous self-assurance, and you owe it to yourselves to leave them behind."
3. "Pop music criticism is mired in a virulent, unrepentant triumphalism these days, and I don't know that readers are sufficiently aware of it. Critics are cripplingly invested in breaking bands and generating buzz, a careerist formalization of the childish desire to snort, 'Oh my God, you haven't heard this yet?'"
4. "By and large, what we read online amounts to the overexcited gushing of groupies, presented in a format that looks professional and therefore feels like a publication."
5. "Coverage of pop music—the "noise of pop," as Paul Morley might put it—isn't limited by issue dates or printing costs anymore, so the idea of stamping records with a rank relative to their temporal peer group is more and more reductive, and arguably pointless. What does Sonic Youth have to do with Joanna Newsom or Belle & Sebastian, apart from the fact that they all released records in 2006?"
6. "Who is evaluating music on its own terms, against its obvious stylistic lineage, rather than by its ability to blend or contrast with—or in only the best cases, change—the pop culture of its day? The answer is that critics are chasing novelty, which leads to the celebration of the obvious, of "Weird Al" singles and Gnarls Barkley's "Crazy," one of the most perplexingly inconsequential one-hook jingles ever to storm the charts."
7. "Today, we've lost independent points of view, thanks to the oppressive consensus effect of the Internet. A lazy reliance on just a few websites assures critics they're covering the "right" records and are still on top of things. That's why all of our year-end lists look exactly the same: We're constantly looking over our shoulders lest we miss out on a scoop that might generate traffic."
8. "We rank and file music all year long on our blogs and web magazines, in the list-drenched advertorial press, and even on our iPods. If everyone's a critic, do we still need a critics' poll?"
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 01:00 (eighteen years ago)
i dont know if whiney yoinked this from me yet, but also, what's up with the cover image looking like something out of "the pj's"?
― mts (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 01:01 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 01:06 (eighteen years ago)
dont you really mean southern strategy/literary fascism? oh now we're just splitting hairs.
― mts (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 01:06 (eighteen years ago)
― roger goodell (gear), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 01:07 (eighteen years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 01:09 (eighteen years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 01:10 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 01:16 (eighteen years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 01:21 (eighteen years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 01:22 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 01:22 (eighteen years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 01:31 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 01:41 (eighteen years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 01:45 (eighteen years ago)
I do not get why folks who write about afropop for magazines like the Beat; Global Rhythms; and fRoots; and various folks who write about afropop online do not bother to vote in these polls.
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 02:31 (eighteen years ago)
― M. V. (M.V.), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 02:33 (eighteen years ago)
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 02:36 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 02:37 (eighteen years ago)
Awwww, no ballot from Ott to confirm his place in his internet consensus.
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 02:37 (eighteen years ago)
Hmmm.
I still feel normal, though, because about half the records I voted for only recieved one vote. Dammit, why can't more people love the STNNNG?
― jodi, samurai photographer (burun), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 02:59 (eighteen years ago)
― dylan (dylan), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 03:12 (eighteen years ago)
― dylan (dylan), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 03:13 (eighteen years ago)
― M. V. (M.V.), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 03:34 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 03:48 (eighteen years ago)
Nose still seems kind of unseemly, though, in context.
― dylan (dylan), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:04 (eighteen years ago)
Ott writes that " anyone out to lionize P&J as a Top 40 poll or an arbiter of taste has their work cut out for them from about the mid '80s forward." I don't know why he thinks the poll was so unimpeachable before the mid-'80s--there are all sorts of shitty records in those '70s and early '80s polls!
― dylan (dylan), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:05 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:12 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:15 (eighteen years ago)
― dylan (dylan), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:16 (eighteen years ago)
1986: Timbuk 3 over the "The Queen Is Dead" and "I Against I" sounds right to me, even if that's why I have so few friends and no one asks me to make the party mix. I like the Smiths quite a lot, but not that album so much, and Bad Brains I really only pretended to like. I can admit that now. Besides, if I turn my back on Timbuk 3 now just 'cause the kids like "The Queen Is Dead" ain't that just succumbing to " rock-critic hegemony," which Ott says is bad?
― dylan (dylan), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:18 (eighteen years ago)
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:19 (eighteen years ago)
― dylan (dylan), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:21 (eighteen years ago)
― dylan (dylan), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:24 (eighteen years ago)
No. (And I like Neneh just fine, thanks.)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:24 (eighteen years ago)
Dylan, brace yrself re: that TTD joint - it's a move-in-with-me-NOW or never-call-me-again sort of deal.
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:31 (eighteen years ago)
― dylan (dylan), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:34 (eighteen years ago)
― dylan (dylan), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:35 (eighteen years ago)
Nobody expects etc.
it's a move-in-with-me-NOW or never-call-me-again sort of deal.
That's about right! (Admittedly for me it's more like a houseguest but it seems like everyone divides pretty fiercely into one camp or the other.)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:35 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:37 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:39 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:41 (eighteen years ago)
― dylan (dylan), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:41 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:42 (eighteen years ago)
― dylan (dylan), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:46 (eighteen years ago)
― dylan (dylan), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:47 (eighteen years ago)
― dylan (dylan), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:49 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:51 (eighteen years ago)
But something is going on when "hipster metal" faves Mastodon enter the Top 50 out of nowhere,
"nowhere" being the Top 60 in 2004. (leviathan, #60)
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:52 (eighteen years ago)
― pinkmoose (jacklove), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:55 (eighteen years ago)
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:55 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 04:59 (eighteen years ago)
All low-frequency drone and trudge-tempo sludge, doom metal is a sort of visceral mood music, midway between assault and ambience.
would maybe be ok if he weren't talking about pink, which mostly doesn't sound like that at all.
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 05:06 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 05:11 (eighteen years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 05:17 (eighteen years ago)
anthony i wish this was a pazz and jop comment so much.
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 05:18 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 05:19 (eighteen years ago)
― timmy tannin (pompous), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 05:34 (eighteen years ago)
― dylan (dylan), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 06:10 (eighteen years ago)
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 06:37 (eighteen years ago)
― Rod Smith (Biggie Stardust), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 06:46 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 06:53 (eighteen years ago)
― Rod Smith (Biggie Stardust), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 06:59 (eighteen years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 07:02 (eighteen years ago)
― Rod Smith (Biggie Stardust), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 07:20 (eighteen years ago)
xp, yeah
― The Reverend (R. J. Greene), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 07:22 (eighteen years ago)
― Rod Smith (Biggie Stardust), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 07:28 (eighteen years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 07:30 (eighteen years ago)
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 10:49 (eighteen years ago)
Ott's essay was ridiculous. That Timbuk 3 album is better than plenty of records that placed thus year; Raw Like Sushi is better than almost every record that placed this year (and better than any Cure album after Boys Don't Cry). Ditto M.I.A. And Seal and, yeah, Naked suck as much now as they did then. And even beyond all that, what exactly was his point? That sometimes albums finish higher in Pazz&Jop than better albums? How is that remotely a revelation? So why not just list every album that ever placed in the poll, period? Which ones wouldn't apply?
― xhuxk (xhuck), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 12:08 (eighteen years ago)
The irony of participating in a poll seems to have escaped him.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 12:16 (eighteen years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 12:17 (eighteen years ago)
Ugh. MIA-Neneh Cherry jokes are sO 2005.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 12:20 (eighteen years ago)
I think he's saying GnR were beat by aging beatniks, actually. Though originally I read that line the same way Alfred did. (And how is Tracy Chapman more an aging beatnik than Robert Smith or Perry Farrel?) (Though I guess he means people who liked Chapman?)
― xhuxk (xhuck), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 12:23 (eighteen years ago)
hahaha this wasn't me at all!
― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 12:42 (eighteen years ago)
― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 12:44 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.idolator.com/?op=jp_showpoll&user_id=43514
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 12:51 (eighteen years ago)
I think they all post on Dissensus.
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 13:00 (eighteen years ago)
"And there's much to admire about those renegade genres: the seriousness, the earnest aspiration to innovate and overwhelm, the sheer strenuousness and commitment entailed in being a fan. Yet personally I'm ambivalent about all three. (Most of my 2006 faves have a pop tinge: Scritti, Hot Chip, Lady Sovereign.)"
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 13:32 (eighteen years ago)
both these polls seem about the same to me. typical stuff i would expect to be on a year end poll. (in my non-professional opinion)
― M@tt He1g3s0n: oh u mad cuz im stylin on u (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 13:36 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 13:57 (eighteen years ago)
>"St. Elsewhere and The Information were as innovative in their ways as De La Soul Is Dead or Check Your Head, but staunch hiphop sticklers didn't notice, too married to ideas of what the form is and ain't allowed to be. They'll let it die before they'll let it evolve." -Miles Marshall Lewis from his essay "Insanity and other Mutations-Hiphop's future is cloudier, but not necessarily darker
Hmmmmm, let me think about this.
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 14:01 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 14:05 (eighteen years ago)
He really did mention Seal.
― dylan (dylan), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 14:14 (eighteen years ago)
Ott's essay doesn't read that well; he's trying to have it both ways when he tries to cut down music critics at the knees. The sheep have always been sheep and it's only alarming to those who were too blind to previously notice. Not to mention that he decries independent points of view when it's more obvious than ever that a) anyone can publish an "independent" POV and b) our culture gravitates towards a meeting table.
― don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 14:26 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 14:26 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 14:32 (eighteen years ago)
Yeah, those stickling purists will kill hip hop rather than let it evolve--into R&B and Violent Femmes covers.
― dylan (dylan), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 14:33 (eighteen years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 14:45 (eighteen years ago)
― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 14:48 (eighteen years ago)
― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 14:51 (eighteen years ago)
cryingchuckd.jpg
― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 14:53 (eighteen years ago)
― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 14:55 (eighteen years ago)
― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 14:59 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:05 (eighteen years ago)
― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)
Also the tossed off comment about country--Imagine critics encouraging people to pay attention to a major American genre! (Not that I have more than the tiniest bit of interest in it myself.)
― Rockist Scientist, Hippopoptimist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)
Good music still excites me, just not as much as it used to.
The essays are surpisingly pretty good reads.
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)
fuckyouverymuch grimey grimington. love, yer pal, skot
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:12 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:16 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:18 (eighteen years ago)
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:19 (eighteen years ago)
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:20 (eighteen years ago)
What was that Pauline Kael quote about Nixon or Reagan again...?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:21 (eighteen years ago)
― Rockist Scientist, Hippopoptimist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:26 (eighteen years ago)
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:27 (eighteen years ago)
http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t050/T050467A.jpg
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:29 (eighteen years ago)
every year is a great year for music, depending on where you look. this seems so...self-evident.
who cares what insufferably smug reynolds thinks?
― antidote against poisoning (lex pretend), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)
― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:32 (eighteen years ago)
Weird times, man.
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:32 (eighteen years ago)
― don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:33 (eighteen years ago)
― pinkmoose (jacklove), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:34 (eighteen years ago)
By about 300, apparently.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:34 (eighteen years ago)
― antidote against poisoning (lex pretend), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:34 (eighteen years ago)
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:35 (eighteen years ago)
BORING OLD GRANDADS
― antidote against poisoning (lex pretend), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:36 (eighteen years ago)
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)
― antidote against poisoning (lex pretend), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)
40 years after warhol, aren't people bored to tears with warhol?
― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)
Still, its too bad that lots of people just cannot let go. He struggles with metal, even though its vanguard has never been more up his street, evidently because he looked (or continues to look down) the kind of people that make and/or like the genre. Its like metal was and is "the enemy" to him… or some shit.
― veronica moser (veronica moser), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)
Michaelangelo
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)
new avril lavigne and m.i.a singles should do the trick!
― antidote against poisoning (lex pretend), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:43 (eighteen years ago)
Dylan: you're right to point out that the 1988 blurb is the weakest of my aesthetic hindsight contrast jokes. On the other hand, whoever said "Neneh Cherry/MIA jokes are soooo 2005" probably knows of some great x-s that are the new x-s. Grow up.
Mark, your comment that I want it both ways stems from a syllogistic reading of the argument, which feels like you're looking for a binary reason to suggest I'm wrong. Only if all records were the same could all records be equal. I really don't think I'm off base to suggest that the Smiths are unilaterally more important than Timbuk 3, nor that this distinction could be perceived in 1986. If you or anyone else here wants to tackle the exhausted literature of artistic relativism, I'm sure it'll make for a compelling feature. Otherwise, it's the cheapest non-counterargument going.
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:03 (eighteen years ago)
When Ott says "consensus" or "hegemony," he really means "people with friends."
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:09 (eighteen years ago)
You could argue that a number of people thought that Timbuk 3 made a better record in 1986 than the unilaterally more important Smiths.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:11 (eighteen years ago)
― antidote against poisoning (lex pretend), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:12 (eighteen years ago)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3KPhOjF_H3o
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:14 (eighteen years ago)
(If I'd been voting in 1986 I'd have voted for TQID cos I think it's a terrific album, but whatever importance the band had was in place before then).
― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)
― alext (alext), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:16 (eighteen years ago)
i should know because i'm as guilty of it as anyone.
― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)
― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:22 (eighteen years ago)
What is "well-represented"? If only 1% of critics/music fans/bloggers/whatever listen to Japanese ethno-techno (for example), and you run a poll with 500 participants, then you only need five people to vote for that genre in order to achieve proper, proportional representation.
If 96% of those people really are listening to and enjoying TVOTR, then let them rule the polls, regardless of whether or not I could personally care less about them.
― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:22 (eighteen years ago)
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:24 (eighteen years ago)
uh-oh, just refute more o'connor! the majors started consolidating, when, 20 years ago? maybe even earlier than that? and digitalization is close to a decade old at this point if you want to start with napster, and older if you want to start somewhere before that, which you could easily do.
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:25 (eighteen years ago)
Maybe I should buy a pair of bongos, take up interpretive dance and make my own music, man! :-)
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)
In the blogpost he quotes, I said straight out "Xasthur is pretty much metal's own Burial; if you want hauntology, check out his cryptic wailing."
― pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)
― pinkmoose (jacklove), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)
So Chris Ott, you have time every day and night to check every blog, read every magazine, read every chatboard, and keep aware of all the important records (all the genres that make up what we call 'pop'), (and without ever having to think back and recollect), that's impressive. I do not think even Christgau can match that.
>What is "well-represented"? If only 1% of critics/music fans/bloggers/whatever listen to Japanese ethno-techno (for example), and you run a poll with 500 participants, then you only need five people to vote for that genre in order to achieve proper, proportional representation--No Time Before Time
I understand that, but some genres haven't even reached the 5 voter mark. Also, yea I understand Dylan and TVOTR are gonna get more votes and I do not have a problem with that. I'm not expecting such genres to win, just to be represented.
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:35 (eighteen years ago)
― don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:44 (eighteen years ago)
Jess,
Don't lots of people grumble about their jobs, and then go take a job in a similar field and continue to grumble (for whatever reason--be it they need to take that same type of job to pay the bills, or they like that type of work but just wish there were ways to make it better)
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:51 (eighteen years ago)
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:56 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:56 (eighteen years ago)
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:05 (eighteen years ago)
I don't see the aggregation effect of the Internet, or even the instantaneousness of it, as something that renders consensus completely useless. Or at least any more useless than it's ever been.
― don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:16 (eighteen years ago)
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:28 (eighteen years ago)
says nietzsche (the first asshole music critic):
"Oh, those Greeks! They understood how to live: to do that it is necessary to stop bravely at the surface, the fold, the skin, to adore the appearance, to believe in forms, in tones, in words, in the whole Olympus of appearance! Those Greeks were superficial—out of profundity!"
― max (maxreax), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:32 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:44 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:45 (eighteen years ago)
What's your evidence for this supposed increased consolidation of ideas, Chris?
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:48 (eighteen years ago)
― dylan (dylan), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:48 (eighteen years ago)
― max (maxreax), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:50 (eighteen years ago)
Goodnight all.
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:51 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:57 (eighteen years ago)
Should be showing 40 albums, but three singles tied for #38.
Alas, I don't think there was a tipping of the 40 for Chuck and Xgau.
― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:57 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:59 (eighteen years ago)
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:06 (eighteen years ago)
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:10 (eighteen years ago)
― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:11 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:13 (eighteen years ago)
The essay is actually right on the verge of being that "preview" that idolator posted.
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:19 (eighteen years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:21 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:23 (eighteen years ago)
― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:26 (eighteen years ago)
― max (maxreax), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:26 (eighteen years ago)
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:29 (eighteen years ago)
I think the difference is that I don't think that the cultural effect is as significant as you do.
― don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:29 (eighteen years ago)
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:30 (eighteen years ago)
― roger goodell (gear), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:32 (eighteen years ago)
Click on any of the albums on their lists and you can link to the reviews.
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:33 (eighteen years ago)
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:34 (eighteen years ago)
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:35 (eighteen years ago)
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:49 (eighteen years ago)
― call all destroyer (Sean Braudis), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:51 (eighteen years ago)
― dylan (dylan), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:54 (eighteen years ago)
I don't have to wait 20 years! (More to the point, at the current rate 20 years from now the 'listening experience' is going to be such a crazy mishmash of media, and kids are being born right now who are going to have an exposure to music unlike anything else in history, especially as the Net becomes even more truly universal.)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:56 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:57 (eighteen years ago)
Something that makes web-fueled buzz different from word-of-mouth trends in the past is that you can see it in action and watch it unfold. You can often trace it back to a single source, whether it's the first MP3 blog to post a track or whatever. In the past it was more nebulous. Which is not good or bad, but it makes picking at the buzz mechanism a little easier.
― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 19:00 (eighteen years ago)
― call all destroyer (Sean Braudis), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 19:01 (eighteen years ago)
One way to look at it ... about 200 albums received five or more votes, and that covers many of the "fringe" genres. So you could argue that they *are* represented proportionally, it's just that five votes usually means you scrape the bottom of the top 200. All the more reason to not stop reading after the top 50 :)
(we're calling them "fringe" genres for a reason ...)
― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 19:03 (eighteen years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 19:05 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.gwu.edu/~fwright/graphics/icarus.jpg
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 19:07 (eighteen years ago)
Sorry Mark, but you could see it in action in the past too. And tt was even easier to ID back then because it happened a lot slower.
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 19:11 (eighteen years ago)
Seems to me like the problem is consensus within bubbles and no one even thinks about artists moving outside of their bubbles, so that accelerates the cycle and fuels the need. Lack of context and perspective.
― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 19:14 (eighteen years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 19:15 (eighteen years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 19:16 (eighteen years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 19:20 (eighteen years ago)
― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 19:21 (eighteen years ago)
Bands send tapes to famous apesMale slags, male slates, famous apes.K Walter Keaton, now grey thoughts.The whole country is post-gramme(Echoes of the past)
Hail the new puritan!Righteous maelstromCook one!
And all hardcore fiends will die by me And all decadent sins will reap disciplineNew puritan.
This is the grim reeferThe smack at the end of the strawwith a high grim quotaYour star Karma JimNew Puritan.
The conventional is now experimentalThe experimental is now conventionalIt's a dinosaur cackleA pterodactyl cackle
In LA, a drunk is sick onGene Vincent's starOn Hollywood Boulevard.Ha ha ha ha
Stripping takes off in Britain's black spotsThe Kensington white rastas run for cabs.This i've seenNew puritan
In Britain the stream of electric pumps in a renovated pub.Your stomach swells up before you get drunkThe bars are full of male slagsAt 10:35 they play "Send In The Clowns"
Why don't you ask your local record dealerHow many bribes he took today?What do you mean "What's It Mean? What's It Mean"?What's it mean? What's it mean?
New puritanNew puritanHail the new puritanOut of hovel-cum-coven-cum-oven
And all hardcore fiends will guide by meAnd all decadent sins will reap disciplineNew puritan.
I curse your self-copulation of your lousy record collection.New Puritan says, "Coffee Table LPs never leave"New Puritan
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 19:22 (eighteen years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 19:23 (eighteen years ago)
That album really holds up 15 years later if you don't dive into it with the agenda of tooling for straw men.
― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 19:25 (eighteen years ago)
― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 19:26 (eighteen years ago)
The images, my brane, etc.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 19:26 (eighteen years ago)
― dylan (dylan), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 19:29 (eighteen years ago)
― don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 19:49 (eighteen years ago)
― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 19:51 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.furia.com/page.cgi?type=twas&id=twas0508d
and some album clustering:
http://www.furia.com/page.cgi?type=twas&id=twas0508e
Now I'm going to try actually combining the two polls...
― glenn mcdonald (glenn mcdonald), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 20:09 (eighteen years ago)
― glenn mcdonald (glenn mcdonald), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 20:17 (eighteen years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 20:19 (eighteen years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 20:20 (eighteen years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 20:21 (eighteen years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 20:31 (eighteen years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 20:33 (eighteen years ago)
― dylan (dylan), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 20:35 (eighteen years ago)
― antidote against poisoning (lex pretend), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:12 (eighteen years ago)
― artdamages (artdamages), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:16 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:18 (eighteen years ago)
― antidote against poisoning (lex pretend), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:27 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:28 (eighteen years ago)
There are a variety of standards that different people involved with the music over the last several decades have upheld. Sorry you're British.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:31 (eighteen years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:32 (eighteen years ago)
I like a decent amount of recent British indie fairly well, actually.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:34 (eighteen years ago)
― kieran reynolds (kieran reynolds), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:35 (eighteen years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:43 (eighteen years ago)
:-(
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:50 (eighteen years ago)
― lindseykai (lindseykai), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:50 (eighteen years ago)
That page is REALLY poorly designed.
― J. Hernandez (Pinball), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 22:39 (eighteen years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 23:00 (eighteen years ago)
I'm wondering if this is a browser issue, since you're the second person to bring it up. Looks fine to me in Firefox, Safari, and IE for Mac -- http://www.villagevoice.com/pazzandjop06/winners.php?type=album has a "next 40 results" link at the bottom, and same for singles. Or should, anyway. If this is a widespread problem, ping me offlist. (I recently became copy chief at the Voice, so I have a vested interest in getting this stuff right.) Thanks.
― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 23:08 (eighteen years ago)
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 23:37 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 23:45 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 8 February 2007 00:00 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 8 February 2007 01:26 (eighteen years ago)
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 8 February 2007 02:13 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 8 February 2007 02:14 (eighteen years ago)
― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 8 February 2007 02:51 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 8 February 2007 03:04 (eighteen years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 8 February 2007 03:16 (eighteen years ago)
― timmy tannin (pompous), Thursday, 8 February 2007 03:50 (eighteen years ago)
I'm using IE 6.0 with Windows. There is no "next 40 results" link.
I do happen to have another computer with Firefox installed and the link shows up fine with it.
― J. Hernandez (Pinball), Thursday, 8 February 2007 04:36 (eighteen years ago)
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 8 February 2007 05:47 (eighteen years ago)
― Richard Cobeen (rcobeen), Thursday, 8 February 2007 06:35 (eighteen years ago)
Did I miss anything?
― xhuxk (xhuck), Thursday, 8 February 2007 12:37 (eighteen years ago)
― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 8 February 2007 12:43 (eighteen years ago)
― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 8 February 2007 12:47 (eighteen years ago)
― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Thursday, 8 February 2007 12:55 (eighteen years ago)
― xhuxk (xhuck), Thursday, 8 February 2007 12:58 (eighteen years ago)
― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 8 February 2007 13:00 (eighteen years ago)
― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 8 February 2007 13:01 (eighteen years ago)
but a lot of people DO agree with him! (even if its just his fellow bloggerati kpunk and woebot j/k). but really hes just saying that to make his argument more convincing. and maybe in his circle, people genuinely DO feel the same way he does.
either way hes def not the only person ive read (or the only person i know personally) who has said 2006 felt like a really dull year.
― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Thursday, 8 February 2007 13:05 (eighteen years ago)
― xhuxk (xhuck), Thursday, 8 February 2007 13:05 (eighteen years ago)
― call all destroyer (Sean Braudis), Thursday, 8 February 2007 13:53 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 February 2007 13:55 (eighteen years ago)
― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 8 February 2007 13:57 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:04 (eighteen years ago)
i think we are living in a really bland/nannified time for music criticism (*No Reynolds*) so anyone that takes a really strong view on anything is bound to look a bit crazed/grumpy (and the fact grimey simey is getting older might be a factor, although i like the fact hes at least being grumpy and taking a more challenging stance rather than just trying to keep up to date for the sake of it and acting like things are better than evahhh in case he looks out of step)
― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:06 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:10 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:12 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:15 (eighteen years ago)
― Rockist Scientist, Hippopoptimist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:17 (eighteen years ago)
they are afraid of being wrong.
they think there's a right and wrong in the first place. sad.
― antidote against poisoning (lex pretend), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:19 (eighteen years ago)
― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:20 (eighteen years ago)
-- antidote against poisoning (lexusjee...), February 8th, 2007.
WAHT
― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)
Nasty rumours though, I'm sure.
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)
that line's been sticking in my craw a little because insofar as I'm concerned there's a kernel of truth to it. I in fact did make a conscious effort in 2006 to catch up with country, though not (as his thing seems to imply the worst about people such as myself) because I felt it my duty as a citizen, but because I figured there were good things happening there that I was completely unaware of (and because I've liked some country music in the past and because my interest in newer stuff was sparked by djing too many weddings where I didn't have a clue what to follow up the amazing "Save a Horse [Ride a Cowboy]" with that wasn't Shania Twain or Garth Brooks). Anyway, so I think he has a small point there, but I'm GLAD I made the effort in this case--and yeah, it was somewhat "conscientious," I guess, though again, not out of guilt--and I think it'd be cool if Reynolds himself stepped out of his prescribed circle now and again. Has he ever listened to a country record in his entire life? Did he really shut his ears towards all pop music in 2006 because of a couple conversations he had with people? Also, is he talking about himself here: "A few years ago hipsters of the sort now rocking Kode 9 and Corrupted enjoyed flirting with mainstream pop, putting a Justin Timberlake or Tweet album, a 'Toxic' or a 'Yeah,' in their Top 10s..." Who are these "flirtatious" types he's speaking of?
(I'm as happily closeminded as Reynolds in other ways, of course; I just can't imagine myself conscientiously spending time in the near future listening to dubstep-metal or whatever. I DID vote for the burial album in the poll I participated in but honestly had no idea it was part of a "genre." I'm pretty sure as a genre I wouldn't care much for it....I really only liked the soft, pretty parts of that record anyway.)
― s w00ds (sw00ds), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:35 (eighteen years ago)
this was a freakytrigger prank i think.
― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:35 (eighteen years ago)
― s w00ds (sw00ds), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:36 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:38 (eighteen years ago)
― s w00ds (sw00ds), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:40 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:45 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:54 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:57 (eighteen years ago)
yeah, 1989 was a hell of a year.
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:58 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:58 (eighteen years ago)
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:00 (eighteen years ago)
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:01 (eighteen years ago)
― artdamages (artdamages), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)
In terms of being this year's big weirdo "rock" record that comes out on a major label and sounds like an even weirder version of something you can't imagine frat boys and Starbucksers liking (2000: Can, 2006: Eno) but they do anyway, so not only do they feel like a "difficult" critics band but a populist art crew too... Then yes!
― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)
this is the trouble though, isn't it - yeah, dabblers and dilettantes can't make sweeping genre-specific statements, but music critics are supposed to. and by the nature of generalist music criticism AND the instinct of being a major music fan (which is what leads most critics into doing it professionally), you have to be a dabbler, because there isn't the time in the day to immerse yourself in every genre you might want to.
― antidote against poisoning (lex pretend), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:17 (eighteen years ago)
Honest question -- is the TVOTR album *that* big? Out here at least the amount of times I've heard it talked about/played out/even slightly offhandedly referred to: utterly zilch.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:20 (eighteen years ago)
(i.e. I wouldn't trust them to notice what's interesting about an artist who is firmly within a genre, as opposed to noticing what's interesting about the genre in general)
― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:21 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)
TVOTR isn't bigger than "cult band" out here, but a lot of critics (self included) think they COULD be as big a Radiohead one of these days. Voting for them is kind of wishful thinking in that way too!
― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:28 (eighteen years ago)
But I get your point and agree - in fact there's nothing I wouldn't trust a dabbler to do! Good for dabblers.
(If I was an expert, I wouldn't trust a dabbler in 'my' genre, though if they were intelligent I'd listen to what they had to say. But if I was an expert I probably would know lots of other experts I'd talk to, so I'd hope I wouldn't be so precious as to mind.)
― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:28 (eighteen years ago)
― artdamages (artdamages), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:29 (eighteen years ago)
dabblers can make as many grand pronouncements about genres as they wish, it just doesn't hold a lot of water when the purpose is to dismiss. I mean, I'm fine with grand pronouncements about things by people who are genuinely interested in those things, even if what they're saying is off the mark or full of shit. But grand pronouncements about something you purport to not care much about--that's where I run into problems with Reynolds' writing all the time lately.
― s w00ds (sw00ds), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:29 (eighteen years ago)
SR (and other people) sometimes tend to treat music like some huge cultural stock exchange - metal is up 5 points, pop is down 10 and a half, and so on. I don't see the value of that (though I can see why it's fun).
― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:32 (eighteen years ago)
yeah this is true actually, one of the most annoying things about reynoldsesque writing is the constant striving to fit things into trends and continuums and overarching narratives when maybe just talking about the song would be more rewarding.
yeah chucks mentione don another thread he thinks xgenre-ignorant writers often write better reviews.
sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, i don't think there's a hard and fast rule...i remember some opera critic being sent to a bjork concert to review it for a uk broadsheet once, and he did a really interesting job. but i can imagine other opera critics screwing it up, so.
― antidote against poisoning (lex pretend), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:33 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:34 (eighteen years ago)
― antidote against poisoning (lex pretend), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:35 (eighteen years ago)
― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:36 (eighteen years ago)
― s w00ds (sw00ds), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)
― artdamages (artdamages), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:38 (eighteen years ago)
You're wiser than many.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)
― antidote against poisoning (lex pretend), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)
tom in not sure thats what grimey simey really does - he seems to prefer theorisations rather than 'telling the story'
― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:43 (eighteen years ago)
sometimes the narratives are wholly supplied by the critic's imagination. what's wrong with that? and how is "most" pop music consumed?
unrelated question: anyone know how many people actually voted in pazz & jop? does it say anywhere in there (or in here)? and is it more or less than idolator? and how many people who voted in pazz & jop didn't vote in idolator? and how many people who voted in idolator didn't vote in pazz & jop? and how many people lead perfectly normal lives not even thinking about these things?
― s w00ds (sw00ds), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:43 (eighteen years ago)
Wouldn't that be his Ecce Homo?
unrelated question: anyone know how many people actually voted in pazz & jop? does it say anywhere in there (or in here)? and is it more or less than idolator?
There were nine more voters in Idolator than in P&J.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:44 (eighteen years ago)
same here.
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:44 (eighteen years ago)
― s w00ds (sw00ds), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)
got no problem with the former if the critic admits it's in their imagination, it's a perfectly valid response to music!
i'm guessing "most" pop music is consumed by casual listeners who cherrypick across genres, or within a handful of genres.
― antidote against poisoning (lex pretend), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:46 (eighteen years ago)
If you're looking at it that way.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:48 (eighteen years ago)
― artdamages (artdamages), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:50 (eighteen years ago)
From all the evidence @ hand - the press, the big paybacks, the lame rejoinders - I think VVM is the only one that was actually doing any finish-line sprinting (& given they had the most to "lose," I'm not that surprised).
[nedpost]
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:50 (eighteen years ago)
gee Ned, that was kind of in jest, but since you mention it, i might as well reduce it to that, given that neither poll really spoke to me in any way. this thread is a thousand times more entertaining than the results or commentary on either.
― s w00ds (sw00ds), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:51 (eighteen years ago)
― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:54 (eighteen years ago)
This is one reason why I do like when Alex Ross reviews popular music like Radiohead, Bjork, Missy Elliott, and Justin Timberlake. You kind of have to go in knowing that he's primarily a classical-music guy, but he makes a lot of interesting insights that someone without his background would never make (like his discussion of pivot tones in Radiohead, or how "Cry Me a River" is "polyphonically complex").
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:54 (eighteen years ago)
No, there were three. 497 vs. 494.
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:56 (eighteen years ago)
I voted in both anyway.
― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:56 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)
― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:58 (eighteen years ago)
― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:58 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:58 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:02 (eighteen years ago)
From the Jackin' Pop site:
Welcome to the first annual Idolator Jackin' Pop Critics Poll, a survey of critics and writers from around the world. We've tallied the 497 ballots, edited the essays, and flexed our MS Paint skills--and now, we're ready for you to comb through the results.
If it's really 503, I have to go back and retool my calculations.
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:07 (eighteen years ago)
― antidote against poisoning (lex pretend), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:10 (eighteen years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:11 (eighteen years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:11 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:14 (eighteen years ago)
It was a great idea for Idolator to print everyone's comments -- I don't think they've been given enough positive recognition for that.
More important vis a vis the numbers game: after many years of steadily increasing participation, PnJ votership fell off by about 40% from last year. That's a huge decrease that I don't think can be easily regained. They've managed to drive away about 300 people (due to several widely varying factors) and it'll be easy for them to simply stay away.
― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:14 (eighteen years ago)
― s w00ds (sw00ds), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)
― antidote against poisoning (lex pretend), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)
Thanks for the invite. Maybe I will. But then I seriously have to get back to work!
Just for giggles, a few notes on another passage from that Ott essay:
"The answer is that critics are chasing novelty, which leads to the celebration of the obvious, of "Weird Al" singles and Gnarls Barkley's "Crazy," one of the most perplexingly inconsequential one-hook jingles ever to storm the charts." –from Ott P&J '07 essay
The search for novelty is an essential part of the whole art-making-and-consumption cycle, no? Certain styles get boring for large numbers of artists and listeners/readers/consumers, and then new styles or variations on old styles come along to restore interest. Patricia Meyer Spacks's book "Boredom" does a nice job of exploring that very basic idea.
Don't get me started on Weird Al. My son just discovered him, and now I have to listen to "Amish Paradise" two or three times every day.
I don't expect "Crazy" to speak to everyone. I for one wish it had a bridge and some kind of surprise near the end (my mild frustration is probably a version of Ott's disdain), but I still like it quite a lot, and found it arresting, in that rather "timeless" pop way, on first listen. At any rate, its acclaim seems like a strange emblem for an allegedly debased critical community. This is necessarily speculative, but "Crazy" seems like the sort of single that would fare well with critics at any time. And if you want to engage in some cultural/psychological bullshitting, white-skinned critics, who so often would like their tastes to be bit more multi-cultural but often don't have a real passion for the prevailing African-American pop forms, often go in for rock-y or genre-blurring singles by black or multi-racial groups, as past P&J polls show.
I'm not sure why "perplexingly" is modifying "inconsequential." It seems like inconsequential works in and of themselves wouldn't offer many puzzles, unless he's getting at some kind of cool ambivalence or duplicity along the lines of the ever popular "deceptively simple." Presumably the perplexing part he's driving at is the song's success, with listeners and critics, in which case the modifier perhaps should be moved to a less perplexing place when the essay is anthologized.
I would like "Crazy" to have a bit more harmonic variation, as I indicated above, but mos def I hear more than one hook.
I'm not sure which charts he's talking about having been stormed, the ones that measure sales and airplay or the ones that track critical consensus. If it's the former, I would love to live in a world in which "Crazy" is among the vilest piffles chart history has to offer. That would be a world in which Tommy Roe's career, just for instance, never really gathered much momentum.
― dylan (dylan), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:30 (eighteen years ago)
Yes, my God, exactly. Do people really have such a dogmatic faith in aesthetic progress to believe that the rockfans of twenty years hence are by necessity going to have better taste, better insight, greater access to God/the eidei/"history"/whatever re: pop music than we do now - and that, as such, it's part of the job to impress these imaginary future beings with our acuity? Why is succumbing to a consensus of the unknown future better - or worse! - than succumbing to a consensus of the known present? (And -- I'm sort of talking to myself here -- noting the probably failibility of future audiences isn't "relativisitic." Even if we say that, yes, there is one single set of noncontingent truths in God's Big Book In The Sky and we should *all* be striving towards them, this does not necessarily compel us to assume mankind's purchase on these truths will grow with every passing year.)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:33 (eighteen years ago)
Also, it's hard to think of a bigger dabbler than someone who wrote one book about rave and one about post-punk, no?
― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:45 (eighteen years ago)
Uh, like YOUR mom, maybe.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:48 (eighteen years ago)
― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:50 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:51 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:52 (eighteen years ago)
-- the original hauntology blogging crew (miltonpinsk...), February 8th, 2007.
i get your point. still kpunk seems to have read more theory. they are all cribbing from the same people.
― artdamages (artdamages), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:53 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:53 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:56 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:57 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:57 (eighteen years ago)
Anyway, as you were.
― BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:57 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:59 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 8 February 2007 18:00 (eighteen years ago)
― max (maxreax), Thursday, 8 February 2007 18:06 (eighteen years ago)
― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 8 February 2007 18:13 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 8 February 2007 18:26 (eighteen years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 8 February 2007 18:30 (eighteen years ago)
― Vornado (Vornado), Thursday, 8 February 2007 18:41 (eighteen years ago)
― s w00ds (sw00ds), Thursday, 8 February 2007 19:39 (eighteen years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 8 February 2007 19:50 (eighteen years ago)
You are either out of your collective minds or ignorant of my past on this board and at Pitchfork if you think I have any fear of being - or appearing to have been - wrong at any point past, present or future.
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 8 February 2007 19:55 (eighteen years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 8 February 2007 20:03 (eighteen years ago)
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 8 February 2007 20:06 (eighteen years ago)
― mylo (groove nihilist), Thursday, 8 February 2007 20:13 (eighteen years ago)
― roger goodell (gear), Thursday, 8 February 2007 20:18 (eighteen years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 8 February 2007 20:25 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 8 February 2007 20:26 (eighteen years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 8 February 2007 20:28 (eighteen years ago)
― roger goodell (gear), Thursday, 8 February 2007 20:36 (eighteen years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 February 2007 20:40 (eighteen years ago)
― senator second p. newcastle (a_p), Thursday, 8 February 2007 20:40 (eighteen years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 8 February 2007 20:45 (eighteen years ago)
― roger goodell (gear), Thursday, 8 February 2007 20:52 (eighteen years ago)
Good morning! AND GROW UP!
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 8 February 2007 20:53 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 8 February 2007 20:54 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 8 February 2007 21:07 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.furia.com/page.cgi?type=twas&id=twas0508f
and the combined album clusters:
http://www.furia.com/page.cgi?type=twas&id=twas0508g
and, just for completeness, the combined leaderboard:
http://www.furia.com/page.cgi?type=twas&id=twas0508h
― glenn mcdonald (glenn mcdonald), Thursday, 8 February 2007 21:39 (eighteen years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 8 February 2007 21:46 (eighteen years ago)
And also this intent on debunking a supposed relevance to the poll that I don't know anyone ever attributed to it in the first place.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 8 February 2007 21:51 (eighteen years ago)
How did you reconcile people that changed their ballots in the combined scores?
― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 8 February 2007 23:03 (eighteen years ago)
Cause we decided to follow up No List November with No ILM December.
― The Reverend (R. J. Greene), Thursday, 8 February 2007 23:08 (eighteen years ago)
― billstevejim (billstevejim), Thursday, 8 February 2007 23:26 (eighteen years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 8 February 2007 23:38 (eighteen years ago)
1300 Albums listed: http://idolator.com/?op=compiledresults
[# 49. Burial - Burial (175 points in 15 votes) - even burial could only reach 15 votes]
the Top 50 Album only had 18 votes from a 500 poll survey # 50. The Raconteurs - Broken Boy Soldiers (174 points in 18 votes)
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 8 February 2007 23:54 (eighteen years ago)
― glenn mcdonald (glenn mcdonald), Friday, 9 February 2007 01:08 (eighteen years ago)
― don (dow), Friday, 9 February 2007 02:14 (eighteen years ago)
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Friday, 9 February 2007 03:18 (eighteen years ago)
― Rockist Scientist, Hippopoptimist (RSLaRue), Friday, 9 February 2007 12:16 (eighteen years ago)
Also worth noting by somebody, and sad: In the print edition at least, it is merely called "The 34th Annual Pazz&Jop Critics Poll" on the cover, not "The 34th (or 35th)" or whatever. That would have been old pre-New Times editor in chief Don Forst's dream, to get rid of that weird parenthetetical hedge, but Bob always loved it. Sigh.
I'm curious to hear what people think of Rob Harvilla's essay, which nobody has mentioned. (I have mixed feelings, which I'll keep to myself. But I'm still wondering why nobody has even brought it up.)
― xhuxk (xhuck), Friday, 9 February 2007 12:44 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 9 February 2007 13:01 (eighteen years ago)
― xhuxk (xhuck), Friday, 9 February 2007 13:18 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 9 February 2007 13:40 (eighteen years ago)
― xhuxk (xhuck), Friday, 9 February 2007 13:43 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 9 February 2007 13:56 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 9 February 2007 13:58 (eighteen years ago)
― xhuxk (xhuck), Friday, 9 February 2007 14:04 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 9 February 2007 14:11 (eighteen years ago)
No, it's not a great phrase.
From what I remember, the article wasn't puffy but I came away from it wondering why it even existed. Not that I like stories with a belabored case as to why its subject is worth your bother (Frank K.'s totally correct when he says this kind of thing has been a ruinous trend in rockwriting); I prefer it when worth is shown, not stated.
Not sure if you ever cared for him, but I think Guy Trebay could've done a fantastic job on Constantine Mouralis.
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 9 February 2007 14:55 (eighteen years ago)
― totph (Totph), Friday, 9 February 2007 14:57 (eighteen years ago)
― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:36 (eighteen years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:43 (eighteen years ago)
― s w00ds (sw00ds), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:48 (eighteen years ago)
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:53 (eighteen years ago)
-- Whiney G. Weingarten (christophe...) (webmail), February 9th, 2007. (whineyg)
this is so noble, and honorable, and... i think i'm going to cry.
― critique de la vie quotidienne (modestmickey), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:54 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:55 (eighteen years ago)
A concession, I might add, I'd rather not see him make. It seems really sordid and defeated.
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)
That's interesting, because I thought the opposite was true: in the early P&Js the essays were often about the electorate, how they tended to vote, etc., whereas the later ones became more about--I don't know what they became about, all sorts of things I guess, but I always thought they were less about the poll specifically and more about the year--I may have this totally ass backwards. (Or maybe it just felt that way in the earlier editions because the thing wasn't so huge, and it tended more often to be Christgau talking about how his friends voted...am I wrong?)
― s w00ds (sw00ds), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:58 (eighteen years ago)
Actually, I think I see what you mean now...I didn't take into consideration the "via" in there.
― s w00ds (sw00ds), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:59 (eighteen years ago)
― s w00ds (sw00ds), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:02 (eighteen years ago)
At any rate, it's reductive of Harvilla to suggest that the animus some feel toward the post-New Times Voice and its re-staffed P&J poll is entirely based on Christgau's firing. As Chuck said above, "tripling the hostility of firing one's staff would be a neat trick," and certainly Mike Lacey's writing and comments about the takeover and its critics found a hostile tone that would be hard to match much less treble, though perhaps some with far less power than Lacey have managed to do so, I don't know. To say that complaining about or even discussing such stuff is masturbatory, or suggest that the criticism is just hysteria over small potatoes, well, I don't find that convincing, though lots of general readers might. The whole "let's just stop fussin' and get back to work" thing would have sat well with many of my Midwestern Calvinist relatives. Overall, Harvilla's tone was pretty gracious, though, and speaking of being reductive, it's also reductive to suggest that pre-NT Voice music writing was a paragon of critical rigor and verbal dexterity and that all New Times music writing a model of vapidity, cynicism, etc., and perhaps some of us, in states of pique, have made it seem that way, and I understand why a NT person would be defensive about that. But there are aesthetic and practical differences between the old and new chains, and I think those differences are clear to folks who are passionate about such things, and that those thing are worth arguing over.
― dylan (dylan), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:04 (eighteen years ago)
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:08 (eighteen years ago)
I think the important part is "What the fuck was he supposed to say." But feel free to call me out for having an insufficient level of snark for this thread.
― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:09 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:10 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:13 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:14 (eighteen years ago)
I've already had to explain to at least two people why critics like the Hold Steady so much.
― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:16 (eighteen years ago)
― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:17 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:22 (eighteen years ago)
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:23 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:23 (eighteen years ago)
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:24 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:25 (eighteen years ago)
― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:28 (eighteen years ago)
Also, Sterling, love your little "for those of us who remember Ott's Pitchfork is STEALIN ALL UR AD CLICKTHRUS" comment.
Was I wrong about that? No, I wasn't - I'm never wrong. Idolator will not exist in 2009. Book it.
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:28 (eighteen years ago)
Because the majority of rock writers spent their teenage years romanticizing the idea of rock lyrics as "poetry" since it was an easy way to legitimize their fascination with "popular" music while still maintaining the identity as "intellectual outsiders." If and when they grow up, no matter how many Luomo records they pretend to listen to, they still secretly want this Springsteen/Patti Smith ideal of high-brow lyrical concepts through a middle-brow filter--even though Aesop Rock does it better. Also, people still like rock music for some reason.
― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)
Yeah, such as respect for talent and an adherence to human rights ... :-)
Also,
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think P&J even mentioned Marsh's Addicted to Noise/Rock & Rap Confidential poll when it was around.
Well, marsh and Michael Goldberg never cost the P&J a one-year loss of 300 voters the way J&P has (or perhaps more accurately, the way that NT management has)
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:36 (eighteen years ago)
Ott, you just totally proved me right! YOU are TOTALLY appealing to the sensibleness of a future audience when you say things like HISTORY WILL ABSOLVE ME and whatnot!
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:50 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:51 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:52 (eighteen years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:54 (eighteen years ago)
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:54 (eighteen years ago)
― max (maxreax), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:54 (eighteen years ago)
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:56 (eighteen years ago)
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:57 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:58 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:04 (eighteen years ago)
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:04 (eighteen years ago)
and this proves . . . ?
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:29 (eighteen years ago)
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:30 (eighteen years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:32 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:32 (eighteen years ago)
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:34 (eighteen years ago)
This post is going to get me thru the cold nights because Idolator doesn't burn as well as the VV.
― natedey (ndeyoung), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:34 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:34 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:34 (eighteen years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:36 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:36 (eighteen years ago)
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:39 (eighteen years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:45 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:46 (eighteen years ago)
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:48 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:49 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:49 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:50 (eighteen years ago)
― rock and roll for the rock and roll soul (nate_patrin), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:51 (eighteen years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:52 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:52 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:53 (eighteen years ago)
― rock and roll for the rock and roll soul (nate_patrin), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:53 (eighteen years ago)
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:53 (eighteen years ago)
K-ROWR
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:53 (eighteen years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:53 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:55 (eighteen years ago)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
― antidote against poisoning (lex pretend), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:55 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:55 (eighteen years ago)
Uh oh.
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:56 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:56 (eighteen years ago)
― Charmmy Kitty's Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn (ex machina), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:56 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:56 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:57 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:57 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:58 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:00 (eighteen years ago)
(You see what I did there? I heard he has a Google alert on his name.)
― M. Biondi (M. Biondi), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:00 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:01 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:01 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:02 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:02 (eighteen years ago)
― senator second p. newcastle (a_p), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:03 (eighteen years ago)
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c286/shallowrewards/dadnov.jpg
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:05 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:05 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:06 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:08 (eighteen years ago)
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/115/316657364_388c2f9c09.jpg?v=0
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:09 (eighteen years ago)
BEST Nirvana Song.
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:10 (eighteen years ago)
― the kwisatz bacharach (sanskrit), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:11 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:11 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:12 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:13 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:14 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:15 (eighteen years ago)
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:16 (eighteen years ago)
― roger goodell (gear), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:20 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:22 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:22 (eighteen years ago)
― roger goodell (gear), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:23 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:25 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:26 (eighteen years ago)
I'm tempted to do a DING DING OTM here, but to be honest this is not exactly an incisive revelation about a guy whose explicit writing brief is to debunk blog hype.
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:50 (eighteen years ago)
― M. Biondi (M. Biondi), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:54 (eighteen years ago)
― critique de la vie quotidienne (modestmickey), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:05 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:06 (eighteen years ago)
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:08 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:08 (eighteen years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:09 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:09 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:09 (eighteen years ago)
haha xpost!!
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:09 (eighteen years ago)
In the future, they will start calling lame people "mickey" instead of "herb?"
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:09 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:10 (eighteen years ago)
― critique de la vie quotidienne (modestmickey), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:12 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:13 (eighteen years ago)
― critique de la vie quotidienne (modestmickey), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:13 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:14 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:14 (eighteen years ago)
― roger goodell (gear), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:14 (eighteen years ago)
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:17 (eighteen years ago)
― M. Biondi (M. Biondi), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:19 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:20 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:21 (eighteen years ago)
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:21 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:22 (eighteen years ago)
― M. Biondi (M. Biondi), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:23 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:23 (eighteen years ago)
Melmac being difficult to render with then-present day muppet technology.
― M. Biondi (M. Biondi), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:24 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:25 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:26 (eighteen years ago)
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:26 (eighteen years ago)
Cartoon All-Stars to the Rescue is an animated drug prevention television special starring many of the popular cartoon characters from American Saturday morning television, among them Winnie-the-Pooh, Bugs Bunny, ALF, the Muppet Babies, and several others. Financed by McDonald's, the special was originally simulcast on April 21, 1990 on all three major American television networks: ABC, NBC, and CBS, along with most independent and smaller networks. McDonald's also distributed a VHS home video edition of the special, which began with an introduction from President George H. W. Bush, and First Lady Barbara Bush.
The plot chronicles the story of a teenage boy named Michael who is using marijuana. His concerned sister Corey worries about him, and her cries cause many of her toys, which depict several popular cartoon "all-stars", to come to life. The various cartoon characters proceed to take Michael on a fantasy journey that teaches him the health risks and other downsides a life of drug use can bring.
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:27 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:28 (eighteen years ago)
― senator second p. newcastle (a_p), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:28 (eighteen years ago)
― rock and roll for the rock and roll soul (nate_patrin), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:28 (eighteen years ago)
― M. Biondi (M. Biondi), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:29 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:30 (eighteen years ago)
― M. Biondi (M. Biondi), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:30 (eighteen years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:31 (eighteen years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:32 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:33 (eighteen years ago)
― Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:33 (eighteen years ago)
― don (dow), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:37 (eighteen years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:39 (eighteen years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:42 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:54 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:57 (eighteen years ago)
― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:02 (eighteen years ago)
WHAT?!!!
― M. Biondi (M. Biondi), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:03 (eighteen years ago)
This did a decent job of recreating Bill Murray's humor at a fifth grade level.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:07 (eighteen years ago)
*Yes, this an endorsement.
― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:10 (eighteen years ago)
http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/coverv/23/113923.jpg
― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:37 (eighteen years ago)
Especially since Leonard Music's voice has the same dry, sardonic tone.
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:42 (eighteen years ago)
― N.i.c.o.l.e (Ex Leon), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:46 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:47 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:48 (eighteen years ago)
At least they would not have internet access.
― N.i.c.o.l.e (Ex Leon), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:50 (eighteen years ago)
― and what (ooo), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:52 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:55 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:57 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:58 (eighteen years ago)
I had an ALF for President T-shirt in fourth grade.
And Nicole is OTM about "Lorenzo," my bad.
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:01 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:02 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:03 (eighteen years ago)
― rock and roll for the rock and roll soul (nate_patrin), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:04 (eighteen years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:06 (eighteen years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:06 (eighteen years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:07 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:09 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:09 (eighteen years ago)
― rock and roll for the rock and roll soul (nate_patrin), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:10 (eighteen years ago)
http://dyk.nazwa.pl/dyk/content/staregry/images/alf.gif
― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:16 (eighteen years ago)
omg it's like the jfk/abe lincoln thing
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:17 (eighteen years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:20 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.zonalibre.org/blog/rufi/archives/alf.jpg
― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:20 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:21 (eighteen years ago)
I was actually having coffee with a half-Persian girl when this happened, and so there was this whole weird three-way "who's from what continent" moment, it was really weird.
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:21 (eighteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:21 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.reallyfunnypictures.co.uk/oddandweird/pics/23.02.06/alf.jpg
― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:31 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:44 (eighteen years ago)
― Zwan (miccio), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:45 (eighteen years ago)
― rock and roll for the rock and roll soul (nate_patrin), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:47 (eighteen years ago)
― Zwan (miccio), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:48 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:48 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:49 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:51 (eighteen years ago)
― racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:52 (eighteen years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:53 (eighteen years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 February 2007 23:47 (eighteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 February 2007 23:47 (eighteen years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 9 February 2007 23:49 (eighteen years ago)
If you like this you should check out the noize boxcar.
― Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 9 February 2007 23:50 (eighteen years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 10 February 2007 00:24 (eighteen years ago)
rh's essay just made me feel sad btw.
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 10 February 2007 00:51 (eighteen years ago)
He is a party dudeThis is not canon
― rock and roll for the rock and roll soul (nate_patrin), Saturday, 10 February 2007 01:17 (eighteen years ago)
it is
― Pylon Gnasher, Monday, 4 August 2008 21:52 (sixteen years ago)
You love it.Also, Sterling, love your little "for those of us who remember Ott's Pitchfork is STEALIN ALL UR AD CLICKTHRUS" comment.Was I wrong about that? No, I wasn't - I'm never wrong. Idolator will not exist in 2009. Book it.― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, February 9, 2007 8:28 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, February 9, 2007 8:28 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
heavens! i book it now!
― soyrizo headache (Mackro Mackro), Thursday, 1 January 2009 05:00 (sixteen years ago)
wait, the site still exists!
wtf ott
― soyrizo headache (Mackro Mackro), Thursday, 1 January 2009 05:01 (sixteen years ago)
lol, i'm glad you came back to point this out.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 1 January 2009 05:07 (sixteen years ago)
BOOK IT
― soyrizo headache (Mackro Mackro), Thursday, 1 January 2009 05:11 (sixteen years ago)
I've just been informed that I and all other Idolator writers have turned into pumpkins in the past hour.
― some dude, Thursday, 1 January 2009 05:44 (sixteen years ago)
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 1 January 2009 06:10 (sixteen years ago)
ottenfreude
― 909090909 Rivethed Brikkchin Reverk now DANZ (Mackro Mackro), Thursday, 1 January 2009 06:36 (sixteen years ago)
Idolator=Zune
― M.V., Thursday, 1 January 2009 07:39 (sixteen years ago)
Who's zoomin' zune
― van smack, Thursday, 1 January 2009 09:04 (sixteen years ago)
Is it just me or has there been pretty much no Pazz and Jop talk on ILM this year?
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 1 January 2009 15:52 (sixteen years ago)
miss jackin pop
― BIG HOOS is not a nacho purist fwiw (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 1 January 2009 15:56 (sixteen years ago)
This is a nice way to start the year.
― Dr. Perpetua, Thursday, 1 January 2009 16:13 (sixteen years ago)
You should change your name to Dr. Peppertura.
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 1 January 2009 19:34 (sixteen years ago)
Or Peppertua.
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 1 January 2009 19:35 (sixteen years ago)
So why did Jackin' Pop stop after two polls? I remember when the 2007 poll came out (with a webpage design that shamed the Voice's P&J at the time), it seemed like it could potentially usurp P&J, but a third poll never came to be.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 09:56 (four years ago)
I recall Matos said once that it was an absolutely monstrous pain in the ass to do.
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 11:52 (four years ago)