T. Rex: Classic or Dud?

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I only heard some of their "hit" singles (some of which made their way to the Billy Elliot soundtrack not long ago) and I'm wondering whether their albums were good...

Also, is there a good anthology on the market?

Simone, Sunday, 8 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"Electric Warrior" remains one of the most sensual records I know. To me, this album is essential music for fucking. The guitar patterns are always the same, the shrieks, the bongos, the ooohs! the aaahs! are always the same, the lyrics are lovely/silly/sexy, and my girlfriends have always loved having "Jeepster" kicking off a mixtape. Pretty much all of the above applies to "The Slider" as well... As far as later records are concerned, I wouldnt give much of a toss.

Simon, Sunday, 8 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Great, esp. the late, super trashy stuff .

D.Zarakov, Sunday, 8 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Not sure about the albums, but as far as T.Rex for me goes, it's always been about the singles: "20th Century Boy" (ugh...now a car ad), "Bang a Gong," "Metal Guru," "Telegram Sam" etc....seek ye a singles compilation.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 8 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well, I run slider, the longest running T. Rex mailing list, going since 1995. So guess my answer. ;-)

The problem with T. Rex anthologies is that there's *never* been a true career-spanning collection in all the endless series of them that have come out and presumably will keep coming out. It all comes down to issues of rights and the like -- essentially, all the Tyrannosaurus Rex stuff and T. Rex material through _Electric Warrior_ is now issued by A&M Europe (_EW_ itself is, I think, still handled by Warners in the States, though this may have finally changed). Everything from _The Slider_ through to his death, meanwhile, was most recently handled by Edsel in the UK and Polygram in the States. Even though A&M and Polygram are now all part of the same massive monolith (Vivendi/ Universal), though, no coordinated collection is still forthcoming. Short answer -- the Bramleys, who have had the rights to all the later T. Rex stuff since shortly after Bolan's death, aren't letting it happen. They've instead cagily allowed for an endless series of reissues of the material they do have on various labels and the like, with only the Edsel/Polygram series really being the best for serious collectors -- everything else has been astoundingly shoddy. The Bramleys are regarded by most serious T. Rex fans these days as being scum not fit to pick garbage off the street, and that's putting it very mildly.

Your best bet is to find the _Bolan Boogie_ collection for a hunk of the earlier singles and some fun B-sides and the _Great Hits: 1972- 1977_ collection for the later A-sides. _A Wizard, A True Star_ makes for a good three-disc overview of the later material as well. After that, you're pretty much on your own.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 8 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The thing is Ned that there used to be a one-disc (well, one-tape) collection with all the hits I'd heard of on - it had Marc's face on a kind of white/silvery background. It finished with "Teenage Dream", which I remember very vividly because I got threatened with a knife once for trying to turn it off after somone had put it on repeat.

I never rated them but I bet I'd love them now if I could just find a good best of.

Tom, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

A quick search at allmusic reveals no comps ending with "Teenage Dream". I have "T. Rextasy" on vinyl, and that suits all my T-Rex needs just fine. As it is, I find T-Rex a great band for their singles. Classic.

Sterling Clover, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I cant find it either - can't find anything with that cover even. How odd. It's possible I was just unaware of anything after Teenage Dream because Max never let the tape get past it.

Tom, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Classic - the soundtrack of my early teens, along with The Sweet, Bowie, Wizzard etc. Best tracks - Hot Love, Jeepster, Metal Guru (great title!), Solid Gold, Easy Action.

Best Lyric : "Have you ever seen a woman coming out of New York City - with a frog in her hand?"

If you want a clue about where Marc got the "T-Rex sound" from have a listen to The Kinks "King Kong" from 1969 (bonus track on the "Arthur" re-issue), or even "Act Nice and Gentle" ,the b-side of "Waterloo Sunset".

I'm not saying that was the only influence, or that it even matters, it just gave me a laugh, that's all.

Dr. C, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Classic. I don't know how he did it, but Bolan wrote the same song like 30 times yet I still love to hear it. Really though, I like all the records mentioned including TANX. I love how he's not afraid to give props to himself in his songs and how he's able to sing lyrics as silly as "Ooh baby, oh baby baby" and have it sound totally awesome.

As for "King Kong" being a blueprint for T. Rex's sound, that's weird because I've always thought that too. Not that Bolan ripped it off, but just that "King Kong" has a lot of similarities to the classic mid-era Bolan stuff.

And of course, everyone knows that the Smith's "Panic" is just a straight ripoff of "Metal Guru", eh? Brilliant nonetheless...

Tim Baier, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'll tell ya something funny about the Smiths and T. Rex -- there was this total idiot on a Pulp list a few years back going on about how the Smiths were completely, totally and utterly original, and had no previous influences of any kind. I basically asked him to shut up, sit down and listen to some T. Rex. To his credit, he did. To his *lack* of credit, he didn't spot any connection whatsoever (and "Metal Guru" was indeed one of the songs he listened to), and said so, loudly and in great detail.

A couple of years later, Johnny Marr talked about in an interview how much he loved T. Rex and admitted various clonings and borrowings for Smiths songs. I can only hope that the clown I dealt with read that and had several heart attacks.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

T.Rextasy is the compilation I have, and it has most of the biggies (no "Children Of The Revolution", though). It's pretty great, so I went and bought Electric Warrior and was surprised how thin and wispy and dull it sounded. With a title like that, you'd expect a little more swagger. "Rip-Off" is fun, though.

Patrick, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The run of singles from late '70 to mid-'73 (in the UK, that is) are as great as any in British pop; I've never knowingly heard any Bolan track which wasn't a single and I'm not sure whether I'd want to, because I don't want the risk of thinking of them in terms of album filler. For the singles and the image alone, though, classic.

It slightly surprises me that fewer people have drawn the analogy 'twixt Bolan and Adam Ant (teen idols at the start of a decade who'd come through the dominant subculture towards the end of the previous one); both were also overtaken by brasher and more obviously manufactured (not necessarily an insult) takes on the same thing.

Robin Carmody, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Adam Ant comparison is brilliant Robin. And like T(yrannosaurus) Rex Adam Ant's moment of pop brilliance was his middle period,

Guy, Tuesday, 10 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yep, they both did a lot of unpop, subcultural stuff before their great records, and a lot of the-thrill-has-gone, vaguely self-parodic mediocrities after. I quite like Bolan's "I Love To Boogie" in an ultra-simplistic kind of way, though.

Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 10 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one month passes...
I am astounded by this inability to find 'a good best-of'. I am not a record collector like most of you people are, but even *I* have a good T-Rex best-of.

I like them. From my point of view they're the band who make the word 'groovy' get up and groove.

the pinefox, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Seeing as how this thread is now alive again, has anybody ELSE ever seen the "Backbone" ad for MTV with 20th Century Boy?

JM, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Weirdly enough I'm actually listening right now to the fabled silvery- white cover compilation Tom mentions - "Best of the 20th Century Boy," double vinyl on K-Tel, came out in '85, has everything from "Debora" to "Soul of My Suit" in a very odd but nice running order, starting with "The Groover" then on to "Jeepster" then the pre- Low mock-futurism of "Dreamy Lady" (credited to T Rex Disco Party!) and so on and so forth. "Teenage Dream" actually turns up halfway through side three; the whole thing ends with "Cosmic Dancer." I also remember an Australian triple-vinyl set coming out a couple of years beforehand (or at least being raved about by Morley in Blitz) but couldn't find it at the time and it's never turned up anywhere else since. Fantastic stuff, naturally, which even the clumping early '70s drumming can't muck up.

Marcello Carlin, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Simone Simone Simone! I hope you read this far down cos I really want to tell you . . . 'as a woman'* . . . you ought to listen to the two 'Tyrannosaurus Rex' double albums (ie the early T-Rex) and the first T Rex album and YOU WILL NEVER EVER REGRET IT IF YOU BUY THESE ALBUMS. I am no true musicological expert but to me these early things are just important for girls to listen to - cos they seem to represent something entirely non-masculine in pop, like the Raincoats, and also are fantastically wonderful and will make you dream all the time! Please believe me! Whenever girls hear me play early T-Rex they always ask 'what's that?' and then say oh it sounds so good. It sounds a bit different to the later stuff but in a really good way.

*there is this New York Dolls song 'Frankenstein' that goes 'I'm asking you - as a person - do you think you could ever make it with Frankenstein?' so it has always seemed to me really funny to use the phrase 'as a person' or variants thereon

Maryann, Sunday, 10 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ps by two double albums I mean that is what I have but they were actually four albums originally - they probably have been all released on CD many times by now

Maryann, Sunday, 10 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ehm Maryann, actually I'm a man :-). People on this board got often confused at first 'cause my name is feminime in a couple of countries but not in Italy, which is where I live! Anyway, thanx for the suggestions, I'll buy those albums out of curiosity ;-)...hope they're good for a boy too ;-)

Simone, Sunday, 10 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

nine months pass...
Bolan is the the Main Man.First Bolan,then of course Elvis.

Jim Hargraves, Saturday, 16 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Word.

Sean, Sunday, 17 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...
27 years ago today. RIP. Donut Bitch, late of these parts, has recently become a fervent convert to the ways of things T. Rex, and I am merry.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:03 (twenty years ago)

RIP Marc - You shone like a snare with a bear in your hair.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:36 (twenty years ago)

I clicked on this thread to see if someone could possibly have chosen "D." Very relieved, then...

Taxi Dancing in the Soft Prison (Ben Boyer), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:37 (twenty years ago)

Even though A&M and Polygram are now all part of the same massive monolith (Vivendi/ Universal), though, no coordinated collection is still forthcoming.

This DID finally change:

A 4-CD box set covering Marc's career from his early solo work in 1964 through his work with John's Children, Tyrannosaurus Rex and T. Rex 108 tracks all digitally remastered including 3 previously unreleased tracks, early demos, rare 45's ultra rare recordings with John's Children and cuts from all of the Tyrannosaurus Rex and T. Rex albums. A 64-page booklet containing rare and previously unseen photographs as well as an introduction by Tony Visconti.

If you're made of money and need a starting point, go for it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:40 (twenty years ago)

My first favourite pop group. 'Ride A White Swan' was the first record I ever bought. Marc Bolan was the first man I fancied. He's still one of my favourite singers, lyricists and guitarists, and I love that strong of big electric hits more than almost any other run of singles ever. One advantage of being an old person here: I saw T. Rex play live. (This has been known to fool Di into thinking that I'm cool.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:20 (twenty years ago)

"the slider" = greatest record made. it's that simple.

jwd, Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:56 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
On the day that Marc's early champion John Peel passes, it's perhaps nice to see this news to look forward to:

http://www.borntoboogie.net/Pages_other/update_oct04.htm

Project takes Sanctuary!

Since this site was launched in June 2004, great progress has been made with the Born to Boogie project, leading closer to the realisation of the definitive Marc Bolan & T.Rex visual experience.

The release label chosen for the project is Sanctuary. Their recent achievements include returning Morrissey to the top of the charts, two number one UK hit singles (Mad World from Donnie Darko and the Ozzy & Kelly Osborne duet) plus best-selling DVDs for the Who (The Kids Are Alright) and The Undertones. Sanctuary are taking every care to produce the finest quality product, to work with the people who were close to T.Rex in 1972, and to employ the best engineers, editors, directors and producers.

The great clean-up begins

On 6 September 2004, the old cans of film were transported from a warehouse in Middlesex to a facility in Wardour Street, Soho, for cleaning: removing dust, grime and old bits of glue, bathing the films in chemicals to repair scratches, and bringing them up to the best possible standard for transfer to digital.

An original colour negative of the second Wembley concert has been located. This is being worked on to restore the picture quality and to reveal the movie in high definition rosy-cheeked glory for the first time. (There will be no changes made to the actual content of the original movie.)

Editing work is underway to construct and re-construct the Wembley concerts for the second of the two DVDs. Split-screen technology is being utilised to show performances from different angles at the same time: stage left, stage right, front of stage and the rear of the Empire Pool. Some of the film is in colour, some in black and white, and when mixed together they make an amazing effect.

You can see Marc, Mickey, Steve and Bill from multi-angles all at once. The colour picture quality is better than anything seen before. Cadilac, Girl and Summertime Blues from the second concert – missing from the original movie – have been located and matched to sound tapes.

Work has yet to begin on restoring and mixing the sound, but when it does, the legendary Tony Visconti will be at the controls. We are delighted to have Tony on board for this project.

New documentary

An additional element of the DVD will be a new documentary about the making of Born to Boogie and the DVD project itself. BAFTA-nominated Mark Allen, director of the DVD, began filming for this on 11 October at a television studio in Bayswater, London W2. Rolan Bolan interviewed Tony Visconti, Mick Grey was interviewed with Emperor Rosko, and several fans who were at Wembley on 18 March 1972 recalled their memories of the day. All were treated to a special screening of previously unseen footage: fans outside the Empire Pool, a new edit of Jeepster with four-screen imagery, and a rehearsal edit of Tutti Frutti from the Apple sessions.

Provisional Release Date

Other major figures from 1972 in discussion with the producers to work on the project include Keith Morris, BP Fallon, and Masayoshi Sukita. Additional key people have been contacted in the hope that they, too, will come on board.


There is still a long way to go and the initial production process will take another two months at least. The provisional release date is May 2005, with a serious marketing campaign being lined up to ensure that everyone knows about Born to Boogie.

Can You Help?

If you happen to be in possession of any original super-8 or cine-film of the band in 1972, please contact us via the website email address. We would also be interested to hear about any rare items of memorabilia specific to 1972 which might be of use for illustrating the booklet or other elements of the DVD.

A further update will be posted on-site later this year so please check back with us. Thanks for your continuing interest in Born to Boogie.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:23 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
for some reason I never owned any t rex albums until last week, when I heard all of Electric Warrior in a bar. I now own that, and have, uh, copies of Slider, Tanx, and Beard of Stars (which I like!). How does the other early stuff measure up to Beard of Stars?

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:44 (twenty years ago)

Unicorn is even better. If you really like those, I'm sure you'd like the first two as well.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:59 (twenty years ago)

I love the early stuff! Shame on you for not buying Electric Warrior when it was originally released!

.ada.m. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:00 (twenty years ago)

I like Electric Slim And The Factory Hen. That is great!

I hope you got the reissues of these.

.ada.m. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:01 (twenty years ago)

Shame on you for not buying Electric Warrior when it was originally released!

I was too busy working on Richard Nixon's campaign for president.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:05 (twenty years ago)

but did you get the reissues?

.ada.m. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:07 (twenty years ago)

My dad's company took care of Mr. Bolan's financial affairs.

.ada.m. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:08 (twenty years ago)

I only purchased electric warrior.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:08 (twenty years ago)

How does the other early stuff measure up to Beard of Stars?

"Beard of Stars", as I remember, was heavier-sounding than "Unicorn", and the arrangements on those second 2 albums were lush compared with the first 2. I like those, but they're fairly extreme.

Pangolino again, Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:11 (twenty years ago)

do the reissues' bonus tracks make up the stuff that is on that box set Ned linked to above?

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:11 (twenty years ago)

is it hippie music? does it make you want to smoke w333d?

.ada.m. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:14 (twenty years ago)

what doesn't!

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:17 (twenty years ago)

Styx

.ada.m. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:21 (twenty years ago)

I've been stoned while watching styx videos at least TWICE since we did that! I can't even imagine seeing Tommy Shaw's rat-like jaw in any other frame of mind now

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:23 (twenty years ago)

do the reissues' bonus tracks make up the stuff that is on that box set Ned linked to above?

It's a fair part of it but not all of it (as the box set includes some of the early *earliest* stuff, like from 1965 and so on).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:43 (twenty years ago)

After Unicorn & Beard of Stars also pick up T-Rex, the first album with the shortened name. It's kind of a transitional phase between the folky beginnings and the later electric hits (leaning slightly toward the former).

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 20 January 2005 01:22 (twenty years ago)

Yes, get the self-titled now! That's the one with "Diamond Meadows", "Beltane Walk", and "The Wizard". Oh shit, "The Wizard"...

Adam Bruneau (oliver8bit), Thursday, 20 January 2005 02:52 (twenty years ago)

okay, well, going by My People Were Fair, I now see why other people think Devandra should be sued for plagarism.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 20 January 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

Unicorn is totally proto-Banhart.

peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 20 January 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
Okay, so carrying over from here -- yeah, the remasters sound really good to me in general. Everything up through Electric Warrior was recently redone while the mid-1990s Edsel remasters of the remainder are pretty sharp, and all have them liner notes and etc.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

is the Tanx remaster an import only? I haven't seen it anywhere.

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

I was at Jive Time in Seattle, and Tim played me an amazing BBC sessions disc of early T. Rex stuff... I NEEEEED THIS! Ned, Bolan Buddha, where is this BBC sessions release he speaks of?

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

I think, for remasters, anything after Electric Warrior is technically import only, but there are plenty of distributors in the U.S. that are selling them at cheap enough prices at stores such that they might as well be domestic prices. I mean, it cost me around $15US a pop to get the DOUBLE edition remasters of The Slider and on, via Amazon used parties.

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)

xpost -- There are a couple of them, slightly overlapping -- let me look at what I've got here and I'll report back. There's also a double-disc collection of American radio station performances -- including a slew of acoustic numbers, some excerpted on the 'alternate' discs for The Slider -- which is pretty well mandatory.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)

TS: Tanx v. Zinc Alloy v. Futuristic Dragon...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

Tanx... I think the albums get slightly worse as he went along after that (excepting Bolan's Zip Gun which was definitely the deepest in the trench) which is sad, because I think the follow-up to Dandy Of The Underworld would have certainly been a climb. (Then again, who knows?).

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

Dude, Dandy in the Underworld is so good.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

Ah, yes -- forgot Bolan's Zip Gun.

Listening to Futuristic Dragon right now -- "My Little Baby" is def. a minor-to-moderate gem, as are "Jupiter Liar", "Casual Agent" and "Chrome Sitar". Plucky little production, this.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 03:59 (twenty years ago)

Listening to the first of the Unchained demo discs today reminded me of how good he could be even at his simplest.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 04:02 (twenty years ago)

Agreed — I find it kind of fascinating, too, how little he varied after 1971 and how unimportant that actually was to his overall legacy.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

I can't seem to find Beginning of Doves anymore.. :(

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

Oh jesus. I just dug out Electric Warrior for the first time in a few years. This is so CLASSIC. And I'm gonna go buy The Slider again in the morning..

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Thursday, 31 March 2005 00:33 (twenty years ago)

What can I do
We just live in a zoo
All I do is play
The spaceball ricochet

Salut.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 March 2005 00:35 (twenty years ago)

The weird part is Johnny already has five copies of The Slider.. he's going to buy it again, because it's that good.

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 31 March 2005 00:35 (twenty years ago)

Indeed!

Cosmic Dancer Is it wrong to understand
The fear that dwells inside a man
What its like to be a loon
I liken it to a balloon

I always thought that part was SO sad..

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Thursday, 31 March 2005 00:37 (twenty years ago)

The mournful/sighing quality of his voice in (seeming) repose is easily one of the most amazing things in recorded music. Ensuring that he never lost or abandoned that quality as he moved from Tyrannosaurus to T. Rex -- and in fact, found new ways to let that breathy moan take up more space and get time to stretch out -- was probably one of the sharpest things he ever did.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 March 2005 00:48 (twenty years ago)

Well said. As always. I could do without most music writers but Ned you always get it.

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Thursday, 31 March 2005 00:53 (twenty years ago)

Gosh, thanks!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 March 2005 00:53 (twenty years ago)

I mean its not that those weren't my exact thoughts but I couldn't be a good music writer like that cause by the time I'm done writing the first sentence my mind is on the fifth sentence. Gnome sayin'??

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Thursday, 31 March 2005 01:12 (twenty years ago)

Ok, Ned needs to tell us which of the Unchained and Alternate... collections are really good. The Change -- The Alternate Zinc Alloy looks very tempting to me...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 31 March 2005 01:39 (twenty years ago)

BTW, Rufus Fucking Wainwright sounds like he spent a little time with "Child Star" from My People Were Fair...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 31 March 2005 02:28 (twenty years ago)

Ned, c'mon — it's not like you don't own twelve copies of each. Dish.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 31 March 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, brain lock. Will post more here in a bit.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 March 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

Waiting...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 1 April 2005 02:50 (twenty years ago)

Anyone read that Bolan bio that's out? Forget the title...

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Friday, 1 April 2005 03:51 (twenty years ago)

Cuhlasssic

Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Friday, 1 April 2005 06:44 (twenty years ago)

Needless to say, Ned's really let me down here.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 2 April 2005 05:20 (twenty years ago)

ARGH. Okay, finally, some peace and quiet and chance to answer this in detail.

I am relistening to the Whole Damn Shebang day by day here and so I haven't yet gotten through Zinc and after for a fresh relisten. Pretty much I'd say that Rabbit Fighter, which is the alternate Slider, is a must-have -- as with all the discs, it's a crazy quilt of sources providing the takes, including some LA radio session efforts, rather than demos as such. Left Hand Luke, the alternate Tanx, is cool but rougher all around, though the brief acoustic demos at the end are neat.

The Unchained series are a total dog's breakfast of everything from solo demos to full band jams and unreleased takes and etc. But both 1972 and 1973 discs have so much good stuff on them that even I was surprised after a long time away. Sure, many things are barely more than fragments, but it's by no means everything -- hearing songs like "Hope You Enjoy the Show" and "Skychurch Music" by the full band and solo efforts like "Over the Flats" and "Mr. Motion" shows that he really did have more material than could be released at the time. They're good and they have the effect of making the official tracks that surfaced seem even better!

Now, Brian's request for radio session info -- a disc which has surfaced on and off is Across the Airwaves, but I'd avoid that for three releases in particular, though none might currently be in print:

A BBC History -- credited to both Tyrannosaurus Rex and T. Rex, released on the BBC/Strange Fruit spinoff label Band of Joy. Draws on sessions from both eras through 1971 and contains a slew of good takes on things, as well as including the legendary 'lost' track "Sailors of the Highway."

Spaceball -- a two-disc collection of radio sessions done for American radio in 1971 and 1972, the sum total of his musical performances in the USA in that context. LOTS of good efforts, a couple of which were used on the alternate Slider, but by no means all. The core is an eight (!) song acoustic performance done for LA radio in 1972 -- there's also a three song acoustic Boston bit (including an early version of "Left Hand Luke") and two separate New York performances, one with the full band and the other with just Finn, the latter of which includes a take on Carl Perkins' "Honey Don't" and a lengthy jam called "Get It On Blues," which is only tangentially related to the more famous song and is fun, off-the-cuff and Bolan at his playful best.

The BBC Recordings 1970-1976 -- this supersedes the T. Rex part of the BBC disc mentioned above, and is pretty much anything and everything done for BBC radio -- including some TV performances then rebroadcast -- through the end. (Liner notes for this and Spaceball were done by Cliff McLenehan, a cool fellow obsessive I've had the pleasure to meet a few years back.) Mostly it covers 1970 and 1971, but the remaining cuts, while only sporadic through the later years, covers some alternates and rerecorded versions.

Both these latter releases appeared in the mid-nineties on the semi-legal label New Millennium Communications or NMC, an odd bunch that seemed to primarily exist for strange repackagings (an incarnation of them earlier fell afoul of Bowie after first officially releasing the Santa Monica 1972 tape and the curious RarestOneBowie comp before finally being brought to a halt before they could put out a BBC collection of their own). They seem to be defunct and never had a webpage as such, which is a pity because that meant they never released what would have been the completion of a radio-session trilogy, a full set of the Tyrannosaurus Rex radio sessions from 1967 to 1970. All I've been able to find is this listing from a webpage:

BBC Recordings 1967-70 (1998)

Due for release February 98 according to my flyer from Key Mail Order but it is not out yet to my knowledge (24 Mar 98). Catalogue number Pilot 16. Two disc set with 16 page booklet with photos by Ray Stevenson and Pete Sanders.
=== Info from Cliff ===
Also NMC are holding fire on the Tyrannosaurus Rex at the BBC sessions disc in the hope that some 68 recordings do turn up.

So alas! This does mean that the Band of Joy disc I referred to above is for right now the best place to get that era of the band on radio, even if it is only a selection rather than a complete overview.

There. Everyone happy? ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 04:31 (twenty years ago)

Never seen the big fuss about T.Rex. What innovative and articically interesting he did in the early 70s, David Bowie did so much better. And he couldn't compete with Slade or Sweet when it came to great catchy singalong choruses either.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

Never seen the big fuss about T.Rex.

They're the antithesis of unmelodic!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 11:50 (twenty years ago)

Needless to say, Ned's really lifted me up here — I'll keep an eye out for Rabbit Fighter and a couple more Unchained (I have 1972 Part II). Dunno, if you know them, Ned, but I'd be interested in hearing those Alternate records for the later records — Zinc Alloy, but also Futuristic Dragon, which I quite like, actually. Does anyone know if the Alternate records were the 2nd disc of those two-disc versions that came out more recently?

As for Geir's comments, Bolan and Bowie were two very different kinds of pop star. Very different.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)

I know the other Alternates, got everything -- just haven't listened to them in a long while, thus I need fresher perspectives...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

Rabbit Fighter is the second cd of the 2-cd Slider reissue. It's great!

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

They're the antithesis of unmelodic!

Well, not exactly unmelodic, but boogie is hardly the most harmonically or melodically interesting source of inspiration. T.Rex could never have written a chorus as great as "Mama Weer All Crazee Now", "Teenage Rampage" nor "Starman"

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 20:46 (twenty years ago)

Dude, you sound like someone who's heard about two T. Rex tracks. Have you even heard "Cosmic Dancer", "Broken Hearted Blues" or the second-half of "Tenement Lady"? Or any of the Tyrannosaurus Rex stuff like "Find A Little Wood" or "Once Upon a Sea of Absynnthia"? Shit is SERIOUSLY melodic — achingly, even.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

You should have to forfeit your music listening rights if you don't like T. Rex. ;)

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, Change, the alternate Zinc Alloy, has some really grand takes, including a solo acoustic "Change (Signs)" which might be one of his best ever in that vein.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 April 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

And actually the take on "Teenage Dream" beats the heck out of the officially released one, two second pause in the middle and all. I think it has to do with the extremely queasy organ and the great freakout/jam coda, which is sorta his "Let's Go Crazy" ending ten years beforehand. If you will.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 April 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

I might have to get the expanded edition of that — given that I already have the '97 issue of Zinc, does anyone think I should try to hunt down the official "Alternate" version instead?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 7 April 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

i love what t rex i have (slider, electric warrior, beard of stars). but i am totally overwhelmed by the catalogue. where next?!?

also there seem to be a lot of different reissues--which are the most recent ones?

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 7 April 2005 16:41 (twenty years ago)

Now sit right back and you'll hear a tale...

Actually, Slocki, it's pretty simple:

The Edsel/Polygram reissues from the mid-nineties cover the last six albums and singles thoroughly, good sound and liner notes and etc. That's Slider through Dandy in the Underworld -- the double-disc editions with the 'alternate' album for each are the way to go.

There's two slightly different but equally good remasters of Electric Warrior from recent years, overseen by Visconti. The UK/Euro import has a bunch of alternate/rough takes and is on A&M/Universal, the US version has some bonus B-sides, both worthy.

Finally, the four Tyrannosaurus Rex albums and the first self-titled T. Rex album just got reissued on Universal last October/November. Loads of bonus tracks, liner notes, etc. That's My People Were Fair through, as mentioned, T. Rex

Add to that the box set I referenced/linked to above for a complete overview that also touches on the earliest solo stuff and the John's Children era and that's the basics.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 April 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, in terms of where next specifically for you, Slocki, grab the self-titled T. Rex reissue, with "Diamond Meadows" and "Jewel" and etc. Again, make sure it's the reissue that just came out last year!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 April 2005 16:56 (twenty years ago)

I recommend Unicorn and Tanx, too.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

thanks a lot ned! and tim! and everyone!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)

And Zinc Alloy!

Also, I'd say The Definitive Tyrannosaurus Rex is a great comp. of the early stuff — reportedly the best.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

That's good if you're really into the early stuff because it has all the singles tracks. Don't know if it's in print, though (?) (or very widely available used?).

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

I actually meant to say — I think it went out of print recently. And yes, I'm really into the early stuff. "Debora"! "Child Star"!! "The Misty Coast of Albany"!!! "Once upon the Seas of Abyssinia"!!!!

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

Mambo Sun from Electric Warrior is proto Madchester. The Happy Mondays must surely have taken inspiration from it.

David Gunnip (David Gunnip), Friday, 8 April 2005 08:36 (twenty years ago)

Updating an earlier post, Born to Boogie is ready and will be released on CD and DVD on May 16.

Much more info here:

http://www.borntoboogie.net

Matt Sab (Matt Sab), Friday, 8 April 2005 13:34 (twenty years ago)

"Lock Into Your Love" off Unchained Vol. 5 sounds like Bolan jamming over Can's rhythm section!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 April 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

So, Ned, if I already have the '97 Edsel reissues of the records, should I buy the Alternate versions if I can find cheap? Or should I just get the double-disc expanded versions?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 03:20 (twenty years ago)

Assuming the single Edsel issues have all the bonus tracks/singles etc., then just get the alternates seperately. The double editions would then just be the pairings of the Reissue+bonus & Alternate CDs each.

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 03:33 (twenty years ago)

Right, they do -- I guess I'm just thinking liner notes and all. I feel like Mark Paytress prob. did the notes for all three ('97, Alternate, and Expanded)...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 03:34 (twenty years ago)

Actually no -- liner notes for the 'alternate' albums were done by another fellow, nothing horrible but nothing special either (if anything, frustratingly uninformative at points as to where the actual sessions are from -- not in all cases, but more often than not). This is one reason why it's good to have a copy of Cliff McLenehan's Marc Bolan: 1947-1977, An Anthology around for such references.

Mark P did do the liners for the Unchained series, though, so rah there.

Relistening to Bolan's Zip-Gun the other day -- um, er. However, Precious Star has some surprisingly good things on it, in particular the Visconti-produced takes on "Till Dawn."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 03:50 (twenty years ago)

I think "Think Zinc" is a great song! I like all the clapping. For a whole album though? Yeah.. um, er.

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 04:10 (twenty years ago)

I see. So, is that a "You should buy the expanded versions even if you have the '97 reissues" recommendation, then?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 11:20 (twenty years ago)

Why not?

Listening to Dandy in the Underworld today and somehow I forgot how absolutely perfect the title track is. Was I sick or something? (Also heard the Adam Ant cover last night, it's pretty good!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)

Why not?

Money, really. The other ones are cheaper...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

Ned, that whole album is great.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

I'm totally obsessed with Laser Love at the moment. As great as their BIG hits, but in a totally different way. It sounds like the Only Ones, only better.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

That's a brilliant comparison, Dr. C! I shall relisten to it tonight.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

The new Bolan/T.Rex Mojo cover story is good. I've always liked them but didn't know all that much about him....crazy...I didn't know that T.Rex was Beatlesque in terms of popularity for like 2 years...the article said he sold 16 million records in 71 and 72...

I finally got that reissue of Electric Warrior...the interview bonus track is fucking hilarious...he talks about living with gypsies and wanting to make sci-fi movies and books...

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

In terms of autohype pronouncements, he makes Oasis look like pikers.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

'm totally obsessed with Laser Love at the moment. As great as their BIG hits, but in a totally different way. It sounds like the Only Ones, only better.

-- Dr. C (petethane...), April 20th, 2005.

When devouring T-Rex's recorded output I was always cautious of the latter stuff cos I had only heard bad things about it, so I was surprised to find that some of it was still pretty good and some of it was even flat-out spectacular. "Laser Love" is and i think always will be a 'weak track' for me tho, except for the stellar bass playing.

Steve Currie's style is really fantastic and it gets better and better during the later years. My favorite Bolan song "All Alone" is a good example. If you've never heard it (and esp if you're a fan of Philly Bowie) you NEED to listen to it. It's like going to a fair and getting on a ride and then realizing at the end you're at a rock n roll show.

Adam Bruneau (oliver8bit), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

Adam, I don't know it - what's it on? I don't have any of the late albums, just the box-set. I didn't know that Steve Currie was on the late stuff, I assumed that he'd been edged out in favour of session guys by then, but I'm no Bolan expert!

Ned I *know* you're going to tell me that I NEED the double-CD reissues of the last few albums. You are, aren't you?

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 21 April 2005 08:29 (twenty years ago)

:-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 April 2005 11:39 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
I got the 2CD Dandy in The Underworld and Bolan's Zip Gun. Haven't listened to the alternate takes yet but of the albums proper Dandy is pretty excellent (Ned OTM about the title track). The clavinets, synths and light funkiness is pretty bubblegum, and a bit 72-73 rather than 77. Think Chicory Tip....
Zip Gun is...unusual. Only 'Till Dawn' grabbed me on first listen...but opinions on this album would be welcome!

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 08:35 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...
28 years. Salut. And the Born to Boogie DVD is essential.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 16 September 2005 01:33 (nineteen years ago)

man i need to listen to electric warrior tonight

strng hlkngtn (dubplatestyle), Friday, 16 September 2005 02:54 (nineteen years ago)

you know, they've never clicked with me until tonight, when i saw the Born to Boogie on cable on demand. fuck, they were awesome, what should i buy at work tomorrow?

JD from CDepot, Friday, 16 September 2005 03:06 (nineteen years ago)

Hm, well, read upthread, I've got a zillion recommendations. But Jess is wise -- go straight for Electric Warrior, which is what they were riding the success of when Born to Boogie was filmed. The Slider was being recorded at the time as well, it's also a must have. After that explore forwards, backwards, and all around.

But yeah, those performances on Born to Boogie -- and especially Visconti's new mix of the soundtrack, plus the insanely great full concerts on the DVD (both of which include versions of "Cadillac" that are just fantastic, Bolan in excelsis on guitar and the whole band completely on fire, even Mickey Finn) -- will knock ya dead every time.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 16 September 2005 04:26 (nineteen years ago)

one of my very favorite bands ever - they pretty much sum up everything i love about pop. i slightly prefer the slider to electric warrior, i think.

i was listening to "raspberry beret" for the billionth time last night and i suddenly realized it sounds kinda like, well, a t. rex song!!

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 16 September 2005 05:03 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...

so..let's say, i mean just for argument's sake that i'd bought the BORN TO BOOGIE dvd, absolutely loved it to pieces and already owned ELECTRIC WARRIOR and a hits album but NOTHING else, what would i go for next? THE SLIDER right?

...and then what?

piscesboy, Monday, 12 December 2005 11:56 (nineteen years ago)

Unicorn!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 12 December 2005 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

Get Unicorn, the Slider AND Tanx -- treat yourself.

QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Monday, 12 December 2005 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

one for the T.Rexperts:

I recently bought a "Solid Gold Easy Action" (personal fave) 7" which is not the original 45.
then I realised I also already have the song on T.Rextasy LP

however, the version on both these vinyls sounds like shite!
the music occupies a thin slice of the stereofield and sounds like it's mixed low (high hiss-to-volume ratio) plus the rest of the spatial field sounds like said hiss fed thru an echoing bowl/drum.
like whoever mastered & pressed it was a few chairs short that day

I do have an mp3 off the 20th Century Superstar box which sounds blinding, perfect
in yer face, just as you'd remembered it

anyone know if the original 7" release is safe, or the original Japanese 7" ?
where can I find the good master/pressing on vinyl?

Paul (scifisoul), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 05:37 (nineteen years ago)

(the other tracks on both vinyls sound fine so I guess it's not the pressing)

Paul (scifisoul), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 05:38 (nineteen years ago)

Get Unicorn, the Slider AND Tanx -- treat yourself.

What he said. But if you're going to cover that era in full, don't forget the self-titled album either.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 05:42 (nineteen years ago)

T. Rex is who cured me of looking for meaning in lyrics, and instead just enjoying their sound.

js (honestengine), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 07:07 (nineteen years ago)

Songwise, Dandy in the Underworld is the at least the equal of Electric Warrior and The Slider, possibly better.

I would imagine that the only reason that no one ever seems to see it this way is that they get hung up on the production. For what it's worth, the record is at least very clear sounding and mixed well (if not particularly hot or bright sounding).

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 03:13 (nineteen years ago)

"Soul Of My Suit", my fave late T.Rex is on Dandy. the (Top Of The Pops?) videos of this and "Laser Love" are pretty great.

Paul (scifisoul), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 03:50 (nineteen years ago)

Ah! I'm listening to Unicorn right now! Pretty much one of my fave albums ever. i had only heard Electric Warrior before i picked this up, and i always told people to shut the hell up when they complained about devendra banhart, but HOLY SHIT-- rarely has anyone bit someone else's style as hard.

I need Slider.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 06:07 (nineteen years ago)

the organ(?) break at the end of "Iscariot" is a killer.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 06:09 (nineteen years ago)

just got a slew of these reissues. can't believe i didn't meet Bolan's Zip Gun until 2005. "Light of Love" is such a fucking amazing song.

that's so taylrr (ken taylrr), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 06:39 (nineteen years ago)

I only have The Slider (deluxe edition) and a greatest hits comp, going for Electric Warrior next probably. There seem to be so many different reissues on the market, does anyone know which version of Electric Warrior is best? Is there a double CD version like The Slider?

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 10:45 (nineteen years ago)

I got "Bolan's Zip Gun" from the man himself!

The singles, I believe, were mixed to sound good on radio and record players (mono), so you may well find the original single much the same.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 11:17 (nineteen years ago)

T. Rex = Mega Not-A-Dud.

nancyboy (nancyboy), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 11:18 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
I like Electric Slim And The Factory hen too.

Serge Protecteur (nordicskilla), Saturday, 28 January 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

MORE LOVE

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 28 January 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
The next T. Rex DVD -- and quite a treat it looks.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 02:43 (nineteen years ago)

Is there anyone less dud than Marc Bolan?

Aaron A, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 02:48 (nineteen years ago)

terry reid
neil young
roky erickson

to name but a few.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 03:09 (nineteen years ago)

i really can't take anyone seriously who thinks t. rex are a dud

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 07:06 (nineteen years ago)

I'm excited about the DVD but there doesn't seem to be a release date on that site

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

It looks like I'm on that DVD. Fuck.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

Yep, looks like it indeed (I'm on the "winning team").

Is this legit? When is it coming out?

(I'm seriously thinking of avoiding this at all costs!)

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, hold on, so you're actually on this DVD. And yes it's legit.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

Release date just put back to June 5, in the UK at least.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

three years pass...

Awesome, and that's just based on amazon.com samples. I have gone all this time without hearing their albums but I am about to correct that. Thank you ILM 70s revisionist poll.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 5 December 2009 14:19 (fifteen years ago)

Electric Warrior is so classic. That slow second song kills.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 5 December 2009 14:23 (fifteen years ago)

"Cosmic Dancer"? Sure does. Always does.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 5 December 2009 14:57 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah, that's the one.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 5 December 2009 15:33 (fifteen years ago)

"what's it like to be a loon? I liken it to a balloon"

Paul, Saturday, 5 December 2009 15:50 (fifteen years ago)

I've been listening to The Slider a lot and it rules.

retrovaporized nebulizer (╓abies), Saturday, 5 December 2009 22:45 (fifteen years ago)

it all rules

sleeve, Sunday, 6 December 2009 00:15 (fifteen years ago)

one year passes...

I wish he'd lived.

sonofstan, Sunday, 12 December 2010 00:30 (fourteen years ago)

two months pass...

I'd always kinda thought for a while that no one really sounded like T. Rex but could never put my finger on why. But listening to The Slider for the first time in a looong time just now, I realized (to these ears) it's because the guitars are used more like a horn or string section.

john. a resident of chicago., Monday, 21 February 2011 15:52 (fourteen years ago)

five years pass...

Tanx feels like it was the T-Rex album that Kurt Cobain listened to when making Nevermind. look at these lyrics to Babe and the Street Shadow:

All the rats and all the peacocks,
Built a ship and flew to venus,
Babe, I do mean babe.

Pain is meat and meat is people,
Your head's a house, your soul the steeple,
Babe, I do mean babe.

Painted toes and purple earlobes,
Life's a gas but it's such a scene though,
Babe, I do mean babe.

I could tell you something,
I could tell you something,

also the guitar in that song sounds exactly like Come As You Are.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 13 September 2016 02:49 (eight years ago)

Golden risks and folly's rainbow
Down the drain where all the time goes

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 13 September 2016 02:49 (eight years ago)

No way, I was actually listening to The Slider a couple of hours ago!

I've gotta say, as much as I enjoy listening to albums like Electric Warrior and The Slider from start-to-finish, T.Rex were far better at singles.

the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), Tuesday, 13 September 2016 03:18 (eight years ago)

ten months pass...

picked up a lovely vinyl promo copy of the T. Rex album yesterday. there is no front cover unfortunately but with songs this good it doesn't need one. how incredible is this album? the "Children of Rarn" intro is on some weird George Harrison organ drone tip. then "Jewel" is just fucking primitive caveman rock. Bolan was great at keeping things minimal, locking into that groove. he was more successful than most at tapping into the raw rhythm of the early rock n roll records. the solo here? incredible single electric guitar swooping into like a phoenix on fire over the Bo Diddley stomp. elsewhere he gets real quiet, real spiritual. quite often he does both at once:

Bopping down by the whirlpool
I met a girl she was god's tool
I said girl wouldn't you like to rock
But could it give me love
Give me little love from god's heart

i have loved this album for over 15 years now and it still surprises and delights. there is a midnight moonlight magicalness to all of these songs. "The Visit" and "Diamond Meadows", the latter with Bolan tugging at your heartstrings. like the wings of an angel. "The Wizard" nearly invents Led Zeppelin with a guitar and some bongos. really amazing that he was able to get such varied sounds and moments by using this little instrumentation. guess by this point he had been doing the same with the Tyrannosaurus Rex albums. this is sort of the final send-off and it's really the peak of its form. the minimal pop percussion of "Ride a White Swan" taking fantasy psychedelia to new pop heights. wonderful.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 5 August 2017 21:23 (eight years ago)

three weeks pass...

he was a wizard
i could tell because he read the stars

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 26 August 2017 15:49 (seven years ago)

golden eagles at his door
cats and bats play on the floor

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 26 August 2017 15:50 (seven years ago)

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f7/94/01/f7940141f2b3ea87b9c230a216eb7694.jpg

miss u

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 26 August 2017 15:53 (seven years ago)

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

dsb, Saturday, 26 August 2017 16:58 (seven years ago)

Self titled is my favorite record Bolan ever did. It's the only one that's full-on electric boogie AND full-on elfland, the lyrics are still revealing themselves to me after 25 years of listening to it, and it simply has some of the best electric guitar sounds I've ever heard

Summer deep is on the hills again.
I ride upon my zebra,
Pterodactyl-beak hat on my brow.
The truth is like a stranger!

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 26 August 2017 17:09 (seven years ago)

man I'm gonna listen to that right now

sleeve, Saturday, 26 August 2017 17:10 (seven years ago)

Slider's still got my heart bcz it was the first T Rex full album i heard. I was hanging out in a record store and someone put it on the PA. (On a good sound system, loud? the best salespitch ever, lol) I stayed to hear it play through to the end, then asked the clerk to point me in the direction of its majesty so i might have it for my own :D

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 26 August 2017 17:22 (seven years ago)

the best is the lyrics to "Suneye":

Tree wizard pure-tongue
The digger of holes
Swan king the elf lord
The eater of souls
Lithon the black
The rider of stars
Tyrannosaurus Rex
The eater of cars

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 26 August 2017 17:28 (seven years ago)

Just got round to reading the piece in last month's Mojo about Bolan's final year, the tour with The Damned, the 'Marc' TV show, etc. which I knew very little about before. Really interesting. And the sidebar piece about the T.Rex albums from '74 onwards almost makes me want to dive in, albeit with some trepidation.

Jeff W, Saturday, 26 August 2017 20:31 (seven years ago)

I've been really into Tanx/Dandy/Dragon and Zinc Alloy the last couple of weeks. Have always loved Tanx but never bothered with the others. What a dope!

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 26 August 2017 21:01 (seven years ago)

Just got round to reading the piece in last month's Mojo about Bolan's final year, the tour with The Damned, the 'Marc' TV show, etc. which I knew very little about before. Really interesting. And the sidebar piece about the T.Rex albums from '74 onwards almost makes me want to dive in, albeit with some trepidation.

yeah, that was a very good read.
i actually had no idea that the bowie episode was the last before the crash ...

mark e, Saturday, 26 August 2017 21:05 (seven years ago)

Re: '74 onwards, Zinc Alloy is probably my 2nd favorite after The Slider, and Dandy in the Underworld is really, really good too. The others are OK. Zip Gun might be my least favorite of his but even that has "Think Zinc" which is such a crazy fun song.

cwkiii, Sunday, 27 August 2017 03:03 (seven years ago)

Aw but Futuristic Dragon has got this wild cokey energy that I love.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 27 August 2017 09:44 (seven years ago)

Ah I have started listening to Dandy thanks to this thread and so far it's pretty good.
For whatever reason I always thought TRex was garbage after Tanx but apparently I was wrong... and glad to have all this "new" material to discover !
(I have the same idea about the pre s/t stuff... I suppose I should go that way too...).

AlXTC from Paris, Sunday, 27 August 2017 14:03 (seven years ago)

As for the mid period stuff, it's so good. As already said up thread, the most amazing is that it all sounds so minimal and it's basically always the same thing... but it works !

AlXTC from Paris, Sunday, 27 August 2017 14:05 (seven years ago)

And about the Smiths/Metal Guru, yeah it's so obvious. Funny that it's not as well known as Oasis/Get it on, for instance.

AlXTC from Paris, Sunday, 27 August 2017 14:07 (seven years ago)

Twenty years back, on the Pulp fan listserv (oh the memories) there was a guy insisting, loudly, constantly, that Johnny Marr was a totally original artist influenced by nobody. I pointed out the T. Rex connection and he continued to loudly deny it. I kinda hope, assuming he's still a megafan, that he's eaten plenty of crow over the years given Marr's many comments on the matter.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 27 August 2017 14:16 (seven years ago)

Eheh that was particularly stupid of that person since The Smiths have always declared their love for their numerous influences (60s girls groups, first period Rolling Stones, TRex, NY Dolls...).
As for Dandy I was surprised by the duos with a female singer : that's something new to me !

AlXTC from Paris, Sunday, 27 August 2017 14:24 (seven years ago)

I spent quite a bit of time going through the Bolan clips on youtube.

June Child, his wife, was quite an interesting character: boyfriend of Syd Barrett, and then left her boyfriend Mick Mulligan (presumably the Mick Mulligan of George Melly's 1950s jazz era!) for Marc the same day he gave her a love poem, whereupon they spent their first few nights sleeping in a van on Wimbledon Common.

Luna Schlosser, Sunday, 27 August 2017 14:39 (seven years ago)

*girlfriend of Syd Barrett rather.

Bolan and her together look like a really strikingly beautiful couple.

Luna Schlosser, Sunday, 27 August 2017 14:44 (seven years ago)

Aw but Futuristic Dragon has got this wild cokey energy that I love.

Futuristic Dragon is SO much fun.

J. Sam, Sunday, 27 August 2017 15:13 (seven years ago)

I love the entire T.Rex catalogue. I have no idea how the post-Slider records ever came to get such a mediocre reputation.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Sunday, 27 August 2017 16:21 (seven years ago)

The aerie-faerie-elvenbollocks has aged fuckin' horribly, IMO.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Sunday, 27 August 2017 16:27 (seven years ago)

I like Electric Warrior and The Slider, although my enjoyment of them hinges on whether or not I'm in the mood for Bolan's voice.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Sunday, 27 August 2017 16:32 (seven years ago)

Marc Bolan, pre his vibrato, = Jake Bugg

Mark G, Sunday, 27 August 2017 19:33 (seven years ago)

Futuristic Dragon rules. "All Alone" maybe topping the "Young Americans" style. "My Little Baby" is great bubblegum pop.

i got vinyl copies of Zinc Alloy and Zip Gun, both albums i love despite the flaws. i like the stripped down production on Zinc Alloy tho i do think him ending his collaboration with Visconti as producer was a bad career move. those later records just don't sound as good as the earlier ones.

the post-Slider stuff is fine and there is some great stuff in there but the lows are really low. something like "Girl in the Thunderbolt Suit" or "Zip Gun Boogie" yeah he's always trolled that dumb bubblegum thing but some of these songs make you feel stupider for hearing them. it just doesn't work anymore. or it doesn't have the appeal it once did.

imo by the time he did "Dandy in the Underworld" he had found his footing again but too late and too tragic.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 28 August 2017 16:00 (seven years ago)

Jupiter Liam IMO is just the greatest, most genius Bolan number ever. The "you are my love, you are my baby section" is just heavenly pop music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxZqtAVZzNI

PaulTMA, Monday, 28 August 2017 16:03 (seven years ago)

*LIAR

PaulTMA, Monday, 28 August 2017 16:03 (seven years ago)

Girl in the thunderbolt suit do do do do...

Mark G, Monday, 28 August 2017 16:24 (seven years ago)

I adore "Zip Gun Boogie". Dumb as fuck and it rocks.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 28 August 2017 16:36 (seven years ago)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/GloriaJones76.jpg/800px-GloriaJones76.jpg

"Jupiter Liar" is so good. he has this shimmery 70s wall of sound thing on here that makes me think of 70s Spector like Death of a Ladies Man. helps that Gloria Jones is singing on it.

"Space Boss" feels like it could be on side 2 of "The Slider".

are you are you are you are you now
are you are you are you are you are you now
the space boss

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 28 August 2017 23:19 (seven years ago)

Definitely need to revisit Futuristic Dragon, as it's definitely been a good decade since I heard it but as soon as I fired up the youtube of "Jupiter Liar" I got the holy-shit-THIS-fucking-song! chills.

Basically there are no bad T Rex albums just don't listen to them all in a row.

cwkiii, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 00:30 (seven years ago)

The aerie-faerie-elvenbollocks has aged fuckin' horribly, IMO.

― more Allegro-like (Turrican)

it hasn't aged, we have.

The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 02:09 (seven years ago)

unsurprisingly, Turrican is wrong yet again

sleeve, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 03:02 (seven years ago)

Mmmmm..

It was a difficult listen at the time, those albums, but.

Those Tyrannosaurus Rex singles were actually hits - its easy to think it all started when Marc got the pop smarts w/ "Ride a white swan'

Mark G, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 06:38 (seven years ago)

All the early Tyrannosaurus Rex stuff is of its time in the worst way I can possibly think of.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 06:46 (seven years ago)

who cares it rules

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 13:20 (seven years ago)

my favorite early tracks are "Graceful Fat Sheba", "Iscariot", and "Like a White Star Tangled and Far Tulip That What You Are"

there is so much variety in the early stuff. weirdly beautiful trippy folk tunes like "Chateau in Virginia Waters" bumping up against elven bop like "Mustang Ford" a song bragging about having a car made out of alligators.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 13:25 (seven years ago)

Adam otm

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 13:34 (seven years ago)

The stretch of songs on Side Two of Unicorn is one of my favorite stretches of songs on any record.

timellison, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 14:59 (seven years ago)

From "Evenings of Damask" to "The Misty Coast of Albany" in particular. Amazing.

timellison, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 15:00 (seven years ago)

"Unicorn" is so good. i like "My People Were Fair and Had Stars in their Hair..." a lot as well.

"Frowning Atahuallpa (My Inca Love)" is really good unless the hippie chanting is a dealbreaker for you. Marc was so good at conveying the proto-hippie Tolkein trickster magician a la Radagast the Brown, ie "I come from a time when the burning of trees was a crime" is a great fucking lyric.

"Seal of Seasons" is very lovely. the minimal percussion and backing vocals is nice, very fitting. it sounds like walking through leaves. it gives it a very pastoral, autumnal feeling. the lyrics for this (and most the early Tyrannosaurus Rex) are very poetic (and maybe a bit William Blake): "A salty shimmered shell of foam."

"Graceful Fat Sheba" has long been a favorite of mine. it is so slinky. it sounds like a spider creeping across a window. or a shadow sneakily crossing a room. Marc was very good at sketching out these bizarre characters, characters out of a psychedelic sci fi comic. that Amaj7 bridge is so spellbinding and forlorn.

there are so many great songs on those early albums. you easily could put together a very solid 2xLP from it all.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 16:59 (seven years ago)

tbh of the Tyrannosaurus Rex stuff I've only listened to My People Were Fair etc, and I did not like it at all. Couldn't stand Marc's singing, ymmv obviously.

Of post-Slider T-Rex I think Tanx/Zip Gun/Zinc Alloy are a bit of a drop off but Futuristic Dragon & Dandy in the Underworld are both great.

Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 17:28 (seven years ago)

This topic made me go and fill the hole in my T.Rex catalogue, which was A Beard of Stars from 1970 and the self-titled album from 1971.

I know I've had these albums, or at least heard them in some detail, at some point in the past. I just didn't hang on to them for whatever reason.

Listening to a Beard of Stars now and it rules excessively.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Thursday, 31 August 2017 20:04 (seven years ago)

that's probably my favorite of the first five

sleeve, Thursday, 31 August 2017 20:09 (seven years ago)

Amazing record given what he'd lost with Took.

timellison, Friday, 1 September 2017 01:42 (seven years ago)

Unicorn is probably my favorite of the early ones.

the first T. Rex album is very much in between the two styles and i think is the best overall ("Ride a White Swan" i consider his best track).

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 1 September 2017 01:47 (seven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFvf3Pq_9M4

this video is a great live recording of that early sound. Tyrannosaurus Rex at Middle Earth in 1967 playing "Sarah Crazy Child".

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 1 September 2017 01:48 (seven years ago)

I can get on board with swan as a bolan PO1

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Friday, 1 September 2017 13:28 (seven years ago)

That clip is 50 years old. Strange to think.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 September 2017 13:44 (seven years ago)

oh, look at john peel!

The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Saturday, 2 September 2017 03:14 (seven years ago)

When I first got an iPod, circa 2005, one of the first albums that ended up on was the self-titled album from 1971 with a bunch of bonus tracks. In those days, loading something like ten of fifteen albums on there, while just a sliver of the iPod's 20GB storage, was totally novel for the fact that I could put that many albums on shuffle. In the past, the most albums I had been able to shuffle at once was five on my old five disc CD changer.

Anyway, this particular version of the band's 1971 album had two versions of 'Ride a White Swan' — the proper single version and an earlier demo recording. Even shuffling that many albums' worth of contents, the same tunes would inevitably pop up numerous times. So, I heard that song a lot. And I liked it a lot.

The iPod's main use was to play music when driving. It reached a point where I had taken on the joke of pronouncing 'Ride a White Swan' as "THE GREATEST MOMENT IN ROCK AND ROLL HISTORY" (yes, in a very over the top, booming, boxing announcer voice) to my at the time wife whenever it would play. That, naturally, evolved into a further joke where I would try to anticipate when the iPod would play 'Ride a White Swan' as one song was ending. I would try to build it up by starting off very calm and monotone when one song was fading out or coming to an end with, "And now, I would like to present to you. . ."

Most times, it didn't work. But, hoo boy, those few times that it did and I got to do the full statement were totally worth it.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Saturday, 2 September 2017 03:46 (seven years ago)

^ fav'ed this post in my mind

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 3 September 2017 23:03 (seven years ago)

great post

Week of Wonders (Ross), Sunday, 3 September 2017 23:07 (seven years ago)

^thirded

When I Get To The Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 3 September 2017 23:09 (seven years ago)

Good Bolan documentary 'Cosmic Dancer' on BBC 4 at the moment. Effective use of extracts from his diary and interviews to drive the narrative.

Luna Schlosser, Sunday, 17 September 2017 10:55 (seven years ago)

Conversely, I thought it was horrible. Weird voice-over actor as Marc, an opening car crash recreation which was as absurd as it was insenstive and a few CGI sequences which appeared to straight out of a Creed video. The music itself didn't get much of a look in

PaulTMA, Sunday, 17 September 2017 13:27 (seven years ago)

Trying the Sky arts documentary now.

Luna Schlosser, Sunday, 17 September 2017 21:20 (seven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycUBnk-vcVE

if you're curious

Week of Wonders (Ross), Monday, 18 September 2017 03:39 (seven years ago)

So we've never done a T Rex artist poll have we?

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 18 September 2017 16:57 (seven years ago)

eight months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrOLHYD1D84

when Marc Bolan invented Robert Smith

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 02:30 (seven years ago)

From the last album. What the heck kind of music is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNvEVcV3OwA

timellison, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 03:06 (seven years ago)

lunacy is legend

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 03:13 (seven years ago)

Pain and Love sounds like a Strokes/Liars/Gossip era band doing their next phase disco thing in 2005

Mungolian Jerryset (bendy), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 10:42 (seven years ago)


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