Rumor about Beck

"The weirdest rumor everybody else has heard about Beck is that he’s a Scientologist. Nearly every source contacted for this story confessed to having heard that rumor, then added that they’d never seen concrete evidence that there was any truth to it. For the record: Beck is not a Scientologist. His biological father, David Campbell, has been deeply committed to the Church of Scientology for several decades; however, Beck’s parents divorced when he was young, and he was largely brought up by his mother, who’s been with artist Sean Carrillo since 1984."

Personally, I wouldn't care if he became a LaVeyist, as long as he stopped trying to be Prince and recorded another decent album.

he attended a scientology boarding school for most of his primary education.

he has expressed interest in both scientology and judaism and asked how he would raise his kids, he mentioned probably Jewish.

Then he exposed them in the press.

Beck will never be as cool as WSB.

Then he exposed them in the press.

There's an excellent flasher joke in here if I look hard enough.

Then again his new album is folk-type stuff, I haven't heard it so I dont know.

Also, about him trying to be Prince - I dont care what that man does; his dancing makes me question my own sexuality.

I was under the impression that Nicole was the one to lead Mr. Cruise into Scientology in the first place.

Nope, sorry, that's waaay off. Cruise's third wife, Mimi Rogers, was a third-generation Scientologist. She has since left the CoS as well.

Well, if you're talking to me, I don't ascribe to any religion. But to "genuinely hate religious people" couldn't be more dopey, in my opinion.

Well, I was drunk when I wrote that (and I'm drunk now). It's a kind of adolescent statement, I agree, and a lie: I don't actively go about hating religious people (my mum has a crucifix on her bedroom wall, which is the sexiest thing about her). But I couldn't be friends with a religious person, just like I couldn't be friends with a racist.

Religious people r00l. I'd be religious too if I could. Most religions have kewl values (brotherhood, sacrifice, goodwill- yeah homey, I can roll with that), and the magic men in the sky and borrowed nonsensical myths from thousands of years ago are just there to make the whole thing more interesting aesthetically. Trouble with religion is the "if you disagree, you are EVIL" attitude that so frequently acompanies it.

Even if he was a scientologist, I doubt it would matter. I mean, do you really think in his type of random-type-whatever word that rhymes-raps, he would ever fit in rants about his religous philosophies?

Well, Beck's viewpoints frequently find their way into his lyrics ("turn shit to gold" is the most prominent example), so yeah they might, but it would just go over everyone's heads (or alternately he could become more "direct", like Dylan did, altho of course Dylan's direct phase was already long established by the time Jesus came by to say hi.)

At any rate, religion in music = classic. Gospel music in general, Son House, Stevie Wonder, Prefab Sprout's "Troubled Man", Elvis' Gospel recordings, The Staples Singers, Marvin Gaye, "Crying In The Chapel", etc etc etc

I haven't seen any Scientology refs in his music yet. I do hear gospel call-and-response in the strings on "Paper Tiger," however.

But music-wise, how are you gonna ignore Sixteen Horsepower, Nick Cave, Damien Jurado, Will Oldham, TONS of rappers, Run DMC, etc? Lots of great Christians strumming geetars...

and, of Scientology, what BLOWS MY MIND the most is the the Incredible String Band are supposedly Scientologists now. That's quite a leap, dontcha think?? Woodstock to stock market? Abbie Hoffman to Howard Roark?

isn't this sort of farfetched? i agree that scientology sounds like a creepy cult, but rabid anti-scientologists really push the envelope with this stuff. i thought all this manchurian candidate hoo-hah had been debunked years ago?

Not in the slightest.

No, he was a SCATOLOGIST. There's a subtle difference.

::rimshot:::

RIM!

Besides, don't we all know by now that any website proudly proclaiming that they are "exposing the con" are actually written by creepy dudes that live on ranches eating the last of their Y2k rations?

In summation, Beck can be a card carrying member of the temple of Psychik Youth if he puts out a decent album now and then...

if beck was a TOPY member, then i might still give a shit about whatever he's up to. maybe not.

anyway, point taken -- scientologists are like the mafia: you don't cross their path or otherwise fuck w/ them, then they won't go outta their way to bother you. keep yer distance while snickering, and you'll be OK.

However creepy it is, what Becks wants to believe is his own right, and since his records don't seem to be subverting his fans, per se, what in fuck is the big deal about this, and why can't people just drop it already?

http://home.snafu.de/tilman/faq-you/celeb.txt

DAMN YOU!!! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!!! NO!!!!!!!!

If Beck belonged to the KKK would you still buy his records? Even if he didn't preach white supremecy on them? If you think the analogy is extreme, that just means you don't know shit about Scientology.

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Well, I think a lot of companies whose stuff we buy here in America and other countries ends up feeding into big corporate machines that exploit third world nations around the country... something that can be equated with racial oppression along the lines of the KKK, but it's ok, since we don't see these corporations wearing white robes and burning crosses on the lawns of black people.

If I were a Beck enough to buy his records (which I'm not), and he said "I'm a supporting member of the KKK", but didn't preach it on his records, would I buy them? Honestly I wouldn't -- even if I did buy records from other people who belong to societies just as bad if not worse. But I have a very disagreeable reaction to anything KKK related.. whereas Scientology seems like a big joke to me. Is that a consistent and honest policy on my part? No, it isn't. I never pretended I was perfect.

If I claimed I didn't want to support evil in the world at all and be fully well sure I didn't, then I'd have to move to a commune somewhere where the land purchase went to very trustworthy charities, and live off my own fruits and vegetables in my garden, and not indulge in anything Hollywood/pop culture related at all (since Scientology is married to a fraction of it, practically, fer starters) Need I go on?

1. Glorify personal wealth,
2. Teach people that they are not responsible for the condition of the world,
3. Push the idea that searching self-criticism is dangerous,
4. Teach charity creates dependence,
4. Teach that Jesus was a "lover of young boys" (and I'm no Jesus freak),
5. Proclaim that Mohammed "invented" the Muslim religion to stimulate trade in his hometown (nor is Mohammed my main man),
6. Encourage pedophilia (as is indicated with his mom's bf/husband/young lovers),

...then, that's pretty fucked up — I certainly wouldn't be too excited about giving him money (whether that is, indeed, true of Scientology is another issue entirely — and I'm in no place to say). And frankly, given my modest understanding of Scientology, I'm not inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.

But since the whole point of the article seems to be to probe Beck on his religious beliefs (w/o actually being critical of his religion b/c he won't be responsive), it seems the smart interviewer would maybe ask questions along the lines of:

1. "What charities do you support?"
2. "What's your take on the Michael Jackson case?"
3. "Sea Change seemed very reflective — do you consider yourself an introspective person?"
4. "What do you think of the US's tilt to the right and the rise of right-wing Christians in recent years?"

Stuff like that. Does it change one's view on his music? For me, it could...

i'd heard about that flaming lips beck tour thing vaguely, i guess i'll go search it out.

i think the thing that is fascinating specifically about scientology is how implausible it seems, i dont mean the cult itself, but how it just sprang up the way it did. most cults sort of attach themselves to existing things in some way, this one seems to have just sprung from nothing, or, at least, from self help stuff. self help to dc8s flying throug the universe dropping hydrogen bombs is a big move, if you can pull it off.

i wonder if hubbard ended up believing it all himself in the end. peddle your own crap for long enough and you believe it much of the time.

and i wonder at what point hubbard realized he couldnt actually really get out of his own setup, it must have come very late, when there was all that changing of the wills business, so it went to the movement instead of his own family, but the power must have drained away from him well before that

Never mind Beck's mum, I have a friend called Vaginal Davis! Well, I've met herm, anyway. Hse's sound of big and round and soft and black, like Barbapapa. (Beats tambourine) "I have a friend in Davis"...

They were from late 1968 onwards which means they already were Scient0l0gists by Woodstock. Through them, both Joe Boyd and Sandy Denny also dabbled in Scient0l0gy. Supposedly Mike Heron was out of it altogether by the late 80s, Robin Williamson was still dedicating records to LRH in the 90s, don't know if he's still involved or not.

I have been on the cover of a tabloid, you know!

According this article, Momus was 34 in 1994, and "an English literature graduate"!

Please let me know the next time John Travolta lynches a nigger.

http://www.scientology-kills.org/dead/dead.htm
A list of the people that have died at the hands of scientology.

http://www.lisamcpherson.org/
A memorial page for a girl that died because of scientology tech.

http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/suicide1.htm

How does that follow?

1990 (last name unknown), Bob suicide Bob was a real estate agent who lived around the Utica, Michigan area. He committed suicide in 1990 while receiving Scientology services.

Chaki, or anyone else, when you post these anti-Scientology sites, could you find the ones that aren't completely shrill or more obtuse than a Hubbard novel? One could say that the Opus Dei is just as evil as Scientology, but I don't see any threads that are getting up in arms about Frank Sinatra being a Catholic.

(I would also prefer no frames and no animated gifs in these sites.)

And Catholics reject public schools, wanting only to educate their own (and whoever else can pay the tuition.)

Scientologist capitalist careerism/egoism means putting out those old basement tapes on K would be "below him."

Well, that, or maybe his record label doesn't want them released for legal/contract reasons?

I mean, if Beck was able to personally force DGC to allow KXLU (mind you, a station on a Catholic campus) to use a track of his on their benefit CD, I don't see why Beck would refuse to have a Beck/Calvin collab CD released, other than for personal reasons and/or label reasons. Religious reasons? I don't think so.

I don't think one's religion can be separated from one's personal ethics/lifestyle. By most accounts, Beck has apparently become an egotistical primadonna, and that's consistent with the values that scientology teaches. Of course, One Foot In The Grave was recorded before his "big break" with Loser...so maybe it's just fame that caused him to be a dick, not scientology.

Beck made a wrong turn on Silverlake Blvd. *tsk* Must be that Scientology.

np: cher - if i could turn back time.mp3

Just taketh the Stereopathetic Soul Manure record and playeth it backwards and ye shall *know* the Truth!

― Lord Custos II, Sunday, April 21, 2002 8:00 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Or play it forwards:

"Unglued, depressed
The meatloaf in my chest
Personality test
I failed with the best"

- from Modesto, 1994 kinda defeating the idea that scientology crept into his work after Mutations or Sea Change or whatever.

Not anymore?

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/beck-says-he-is-not-a-scientologist-1257357

what's all this then about a new record?