Rudimentary Peni VS Flux of Pink Indians

It must be years since I first saw that title listed somewhere and it has remained my all-time favourite title of any art form of any description. For that, FOPI rool. And I've never heard it or owt else by them.

MarxyBoy

Cuz IOF would win easily.

Or Citizen Fish -vs- Schwarzenegger!

It might be a tie.

Crass
Flux
Subhumans
Rudimentari Peni
Discharge
Conflict

But that's just today. If I slept on it my answer might be different.

IF ANY SPARK OF LIFE BE YET REMAINING, DOWN, DOWN TO HELL, AND SAY I SENT THEE THITHER!!!

Never liked early Flux. I like 'Fucking Cunts' but my copy was the One Little Indian reissue without the lyrics - kinda pointless. Still wish I hadn't sold it.

What I like almost as much as the Peni is the post-FOPI album by Flux called "Uncarved Block". Very different, Adrian Sherwood and On-U Sound people participate and the music also has a lot more melody and color.

i heard rudimentary peni for the first time this weekend. it fucked me up! the album "cacophony" woah nellie what a crazy record....

i had no idea shit like that was going on in the UK then, it totes gets written out of history....crazy talk.

seriously like i had no idea hardcore continued on in the UK....you never heard about it, esp. this which is beyond twisted art/metal/hardcore/strangeness....it would seem to fit in better with what was happening in the US, late SST and touch & go and shit...but i thought everyone just stopped at a certain point in the UK...

yeah seriously! it's very overlooked.

"Flux of Pink Indians" is such a great name!

RFI - Crusty punk

good stuff. grindcore wouldn't have existed without this kind of music.

it's true!

Cacophony is teh bestest, but I see I said that here already. There is so much detail in that album.

death church!

listen to chaki

RP have a new album out in about a month and I'm sorry to say it pretty much sucks :(

hasn't that been true of most of the second incarnation RP releases?

i need to get EPs of RP on cd. goddamn, they were so good.

Peni4evah.

Hardcore punk never really stopped in the UK, it was/is mostly hated/ignored by music critics which explains why it was written out of music history, and the fanbase was pretty small compared to the USA etc, so it just carried on as an underground scene.

I can't easily pick one of these 2 bands! I was playing them both yesterday.

good stuff. grindcore wouldn't have existed without this kind of music.

-- latebloomer, Monday, 31 March 2008 18:44 (Yesterday) Link

yeah when we were listening to it, other than being sort of blown away like what IS this kind of music? i was thinking that it sort of occupies that weird nexus of punk/hardcore/metal in a way that i thought only U.S. stuff like late black flag or die kreutzen and stuff did.....did the Bay Area thrash bands like these guys? i swear metallica or slayer or someone did....

Okay woah woah woah. Back up. I am totally flipping over Rudimentary Peni right now. Got three albums of theirs now and yowza. Don't even know where to begin with the brilliance on display here.

Do you know they even have a song called "Black President"?

Bimble's goth heart is totally beating <3 <3 <3 <3

Check out the lyrics for "The Eyes Of The Dead":

"Seeing with the eyes of the dead/
Reliving the lives of the dead/
Living with the lies of the dead/
Dreaming (breathing??) with the cries of the dead"

I don't know if I've got all these lyrics right, necessarily, but that is some heavy, heavy goth right there, regardless, and it ought to be respected.

Also they are way, way punk rock. I don't want to give the impression they're not.

What 3 did you buy? EPs of RP, Death Church, and Cacophony are the only essentials.

I wrote my 33 1/3 proposal on Cacophony this time. Wish me luck!

haha awww. I'm cheering on other 33 1/3 hopefuls already haha. Yes of course I wish you luck!

The three I have of RP are Death Church, No More Pain EP (god what a title!!! I worship that shit), and the "EP's of RP" which I haven't really dug into much yet.

Where is Colonel Poo I wonder? He likes to talk about this band.

The way I feel about Rudimentary Peni is it's like early Death In June (when they were called Crisis and really punk) but like improved by three times or something.

"Being brave won't save me from the grave". Christ, even metalheads should hear this.
"The Death of The Author" is what it's called.

Death Church is my favorite punk album ever. Cacophony is simply one of my favorite albums ever. It's the anomaly in their catalog in that it was primarily written by Blinko about H.P. Lovecraft. Musically, it also stretches the furthest.

Just full on punk rock sometimes, so strange that I could get that far into a punk band. I adore them. I'll check out Cacophony, thanks.

http://www.goodbadmusic.com/2008/02/12/magits-fully-coherent-7ep-outer-himmilayan-records-uk-1979/

pre-peni crude synth plonkin'

Death Church was a 'best of both worlds' type album for metalheads who wouldn't listen to stuff this punky and punks who wouldn't listen to stuff this metally. Plus i mean "when you're in a martian church"!!!

it seems like cacophony is fucking impossible to find on vinyl. :(

Still can't choose between these 2 bands but Flux Of Pink Indians were really great at their reunion gig last year, they really nailed the guitar sound, it was exactly as tinny and awesome as on the records, and Sid from Rubella Ballet hopped on drums for Tube Disasters (twice!) as he played on the original. Never seen Peni live but they hardly ever played live AFAIK

xp re: Cacophony

yeah the bassist hates it! Discogs has one from Australia for $40... I don't think it's even being kept in print by the band. check out the Mark Prindle reviews for more sad info.

Finally found Cacophony and it is plain great.
Horrors In The Museum is such a great song.

went down memory lane with both of these bands on my hi-fi a week or two ago. i was drunk, of course. always sound great. always inspiring.

NIGHTGAUNTS
NIGHTGAUNTS

Every band should have a Lovecraft-inspired in their discography.

Cthulhu Fhtagn!

Flux owns Rudi anyday, for one Flux was real, the drummer of Rudi ate meat, which is bullshit. So in closing, Flux owns.

MarxyBoy

― |-|4x0|7, Monday, 25 August 2003 04:23 (8 years ago) Permalink

this was awesome

love both these bands

let's not forget about how wonderful nick blinko's artwork is

http://www.cvltnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/7945312223037641.jpeg

http://www.outsiderart.co.uk/blinko/large/blinko8.jpg

some weird sonics on this remastered version of Cacophony...

I mean, it's great to have this back in print again, and I'm glad the band is receptive to that (finally), but it sounds to me like the guitars are up and the vocals are down - which is not what I really want from this record.

Haven't heard the remaster since I have original pressings I bought new in the 80s. Been curious though... At least they restored the proper artwork.

John Loder may be turning in his grave if it really sounds that off...

my thought on listening further was that somebody brickwalled the tapes and then pressed it to vinyl. haven't heard the new CD but I have old CD and LP both since it is one of my favorite records ever. the new gatefold LP cover is very nice!

I've been meaning to get into them for a while; should I get the remasters? I tend to always go for the newest and cheapest versions.

If you can find originals for something close to the price of a new one, I'd stick with the originals based on my (limited) listening experience. I should really try to put up an A-B comparison on Soundcloud so other folks can comment.

Used CD should be easy to find. These were produced really well in the first place.

ohhh man they brickwalled the fuck out of this, check the waveforms:

https://soundcloud.com/sleeve-the-dj/sets/rudi-peni-comparison

(new LP remaster is the second track)

via Prindle website, for posterity:

Okay, it's Grant's fault. View these quotes from Ian Glasper's excellent 2006 book The Day The Country Died: A History of Anarcho Punk 1980-1984:

"My favourite release is definitely Cacophony." - Nick Blinko

"For me, (Cacophony) was the most interesting thing that we had done musically, in terms of all those weird time signatures, and the lyrics are fascinating... even if I don't understand all of them! I just think that the band as a whole put in a really good performance, and it was the best thing Nick has ever done vocally; I think he was at the absolute pinnacle of his creativity on that album." - Jon Greville

"The different style of Cacophony was not intended. It just came out that way, and in retrospect I regard it as a move in the wrong direction, into self-indulgence. As a result of that, in recent years, I have pushed to build upon and improve the more 'traditional' Peni style." - Grant Matthews

Thanks a lot, ASSHOLE.

Thanks for the information.

I really taken my time on finally listening to that soundcloud comparison. They all sound fine to me but I'm not an audiophile.

subhumans reissues were so terrible. i don't even want to know about the crass reissues on cd. if some of the most perfectly recorded records ever made were fucked up somehow for cd it would be sad indeed. best to stick with old pressings. peni records are amazing in their natural form. same with flux. you can't improve on that stuff.

Nick Blinko might just be my favorite punk vocalist. finally getting around to buying Cacophony, though used to play the shit out of Death Church.

You have EPs of RP right? Because that shit is GRRRRREAAAATTTTT

actually I need that one too.

holy shit

tt has introduced me to rudimentary peni. death church was really good but CACOPHONY oh my giddy fuck

Peni is the best band of all time.

this album/band is just...i can't even

incredible

carnivores are like tombstones

It's too bad Nate C doesn't hang out anymore-- he wrote an entire in depth treatment on cacophony which he submitted to 33 1/3 one year

Never got published?

Peni is one of those bands from the first Sublime album that I kept meaning to check out but never did.

Xpost not by 33 1/3 but maybe he placed it elsewhere

imago I am very glad you are getting yr head ripped open by this masterpiece

keen to see what you make of the RP album about the imaginary pope

it's great and the songs are intense as hell, it would be improved slightly by curbing that fucking papus adrianus thing, but i guess you can't fuck with the artist's vision idk

aaaaactually it's just as good as cacophony p much, which makes it one of the best things ever

I HATED that record, I guess I will try again

it ain't no Cacophony, though, chill dude :)

it's beautiful, furious, quite quite mad but also perfect for midsummer

quite apart from anything else the instrumentation is monumental, possibly his best riffs ever underpinned by a seriously and understandably pissed-off rhythm section. and like all the best heatstrokes all the songs linger on and on until you're entranced & damaged beyond repair

....and now I'm listening to The Fucking Cunts Treat Us Like Pricks

fuck me it's AWESOME

'The Falklands War' is...monumental

Pope Adrian 37th Psychristiatric is firmly ensconced as my summer solstice album :)

Peni is one of those bands from the first Sublime album that I kept meaning to check out but never did.

― how's life, Thursday, 29 September 2016 23:46 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol tbh I'm not really sure if I've ever heard a song by Sublime, but I gather they are somewhat different to Rudimentary Peni

this thread reminded me of the sad fact I missed seeing my friends' Rudi Peni cover band last year because I was sick and depressed.

POGO POPE, POGO POPE, POGO POPE, POGO POPE
POGO POPE, POGO POPE, POGO POPE, POGO POPE
POGO POPE POGO, POGO POPE POGO
POGO POPE POGO, POGO POPE POGO

I don't think I'm ever going to "get" that record, I still find it unlistenable :(

love all the rest of course

WHEN YOU'RE IN A MARTIAN CHURCH

I won the Flux of Pink Indians’ 'Strive to Survive Causing the Least Suffering Possible' album in a KUSF radio contest in the mid 80s. I had no idea who they were at the time. It was one of those records I ended up loving more because I had to stretch to grasp it. The LP itself is a beautiful object

I wish Death Church would get a repress, I missed out on the last one.

https://www.zagava.de/shop/nick-blinko?edition=19&versions=0
The paperback version on amazon might be a bit different. Newsletter said something about a new paperback version but I can't remember.

New ep and reissues on the way from Sealed Records!
https://www.punknews.org/article/74088/sealed-records-to-re-issue-rudimentary-peni-discography

awesome

Sealed records is a side-label of La Vida Es Un Mus, this is really good news because Paco the guy who runs that label is a total lifer and this isn't a reissue for money he really loves this stuff

Excellent news! Southern records reissues seemed a bit dubious quality-wise.

Southern were a pretty shitty label for a lot of reasons towards the end.

I wonder if this means the Alternative LP on Corpus Christi might end up getting reissued at some point, Sealed have already put out a reissue of the Omega Tribe LP. I know Overground records were planning to reissue Alternative but Southern wanted too much money to license it.

love all those pics of the OG Ampex tapes in that Insta

It would be super cool if they reissued the first 2 EPs in original 7" packaging

awesome news! I'm hoping they reissue Archaic 10", I missed that one.

So is this yet another mastering to compare?

yes but I have a lot more faith in this one tbh

missed getting the last batch. so hopefully catch up with these.
& the Crass titles are reappearing in more comprehensive fashion too.

Rudimentary Peni has a new album 'Great War' out today (and on streaming services)! Quick listen tells me it's a bit more varied than the last few releases and the singer uses his voice a lot more. Apparently this was recorded several years ago but shelved until now.

wait WHAT

it's another EP tbf!

Just read that someone is wearing a Rudimentary Peni t-shirt in Oscars nominated movie Sound of Metal

The rule with RP is: if it's an EP it'll be decent hardcore, if it's an LP it'll be earthshattering brilliance

xp that is correct, a Cacophony shirt, he also wears Youth Of Today and Neubauten shirts, total hipster bait and a pretty good movie

reissues of old stuff are coming this year too starting with Death Church!

WHEN YOU ARE A MARTIAN CHURCH

listening to a bit of the new one atm. some excellent guitar tones

I'm into it. just bought a copy from LVEUM

Yeah, I just assumed this had to do with Sound of Metal.

I've never heard them.

Peni is great

this sounds fucking great

awww this is awesome. their production is always great as it's raw but the riffs cut through with clarity

"Crimson Sun" fucking rules

it totally does, that one really stood out to me on first listen

i don't think I expected to enjoy this as much as I am enjoying this

the guitar sound is so great in this

just bought Nick Blinko's book The Primal Screamer. 2021 is the year of Rudimentary Peni apparently

Just read that someone is wearing a Rudimentary Peni t-shirt in Oscars nominated movie Sound of Metal

― curmudgeon, Friday, April 23, 2021 9:07 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Honestly the first I had ever heard of RP

Am hoping that the Death Church reissue comes in the large foldout poster/sleeve.

Can only buy the new reissues through bandcamp?

Oh, they're not out yet

More art books
https://zagava.de/shop/the-sketchbooks-of-nick-blinko?edition=52

reissue of Death Church LP coming soon on Sealed, they will also be reissuing the 1st 7" EP next year

Death Church reissue is up for order via Sealed records.

sealedrecords
Plus forthcoming for 2022 and Beyond

SEAL-016 CHIN CHIN - Cry In Vain LP (Compilation including unreleased BBC Session)
SEAL-017 BIKINI MUTANTS - Bikini Mutants LP
SEAL-018 VARIOUS - GROUCHO MARXIST COMPILATION LP
SEAL-019 MODEL WORKERS - Cry 7"
SEAL-020 RUDIMENTARY PENI - Cacophony LP, CD and Tape
SEAL-021 ALTERNATIVE - If They Treat You Like Shit - Act Like Manure LP
SEAL-022 RUDIMENTARY PENI - EPs of RP LP, CD and Tape
SEAL-023 ORGANIZED CHAOS - LP
SEAL-024 KARMA SUTRA - The Daydreams Of A Production Line Worker LP
SEAL-025 TWELVE CUBIC FEET - Straight Out the Fridge 12”
SEL-026 RUDIMENTARY PENI - Pope Adrian 37th Psychristiatric LP. CD and Tape

2023 - The rest of the RUDIMENTARY PENI Catalogue

Plus we are moving into the odd magazine and book. We are putting together a Rudimentary Peni Book/Magazine with Interviews, Gig handouts and more

Farce 12" reissue is coming on Crass/One little independent at some point too.

So how are the reissues? Probably time to buy now, they're on a list of 100 or so bands I've been meaning to listen to for at least 15 years

I'm sure they are fine, I have some other records that Sealed did and they sound great.

I got the s/t EP, Death Church and Cacophony reissues and can confirm they are good. the Farce reissue was on One Little Independent instead of Sealed and seemed to sell out immediately which is annoying.

i REALLY would love to buy all the posters they are selling because they are soooooooo friggin' cool but if i did they would just end up in a closet. if i were rich i would have them framed and put them all over my house.

https://ironlungrecords.bigcartel.com/product/a-nick-blinko-poster-collection-part-6

the price is right too.

nice!

Cacophony is the best punk record

True!

weird I was just blasting Death Church two days ago. timely!

Cacophony is the best punk record

― chr1sb3singer, Friday, August 9, 2024 12:08 PM (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

So true

I mean, yeah