2002: A very week year (???)

The Streets and Shadow float my boat too...but in any case, it's only September! Patience, glasshopper...

the walkmen- everyone who pretended to like me is gone
trail of dead- source tags and codes
wilco- yankee hotel foxtrot (i dont care, i love this disc)
sleater-kinney- one beat
ladytron- light and magic
pretty girls make graves- i dunno what its called

the classic for the year has to be the trail of dead disc, i havent heard a rock record that intense in ages.

Okkervil River, Don't Fall in Love with Everyone You See

Greg Macpherson Band, Good Times are Coming Back Again

Wilco, YHF

The Bees, Sunshine Hit Me

Mum, Finally We Are No One

Norah Jones, Come Away With Me

Tom Waits, Alice

Damien Rice, O

Hank Dogs, Half Smile

Nina Nastasia, The Blackened Air

Reindeer Section, Son of Evil Reindeer

Kepler, Missionless Days

Gillian Welch, Time (The Revelator)

Low, Trust

And still to come, new albums (or second chances) by Sigur Ros, Songs:Ohia, Damien Jurado and Kathryn Williams.

Spot on - magnificent. There are loads more...

Delgados - Hate
The Polyphonic Spree album
Pulp best of (yeah it's not out and no it probably doesn't count but...y'know)

i defy anyone to tell me ilm's demographic hasn't changed.

anyway, josh has a question in a roundabout way...

Dubplatestyle: 2002: A very week year (???)
whirlyplato: 'less jess'!!
Dubplatestyle: what a retard
whirlyplato: that low album hasn't come out yet has it?!
Dubplatestyle: the terrorists have already won josh and they're attempting feeble sarcasm
Dubplatestyle: i'm glad your priorities are in the right place!
whirlyplato: got no time for indie cunts man
whirlyplato: do got time to see if my once favorite band has put out an album I can love

Can't believe I forgot Interpol, though. Easily one of the best 5 of the year.

Tho this thread does creeps the hell out of me: Wilco, Trail of Dead, Walkmen and Flaming Lips. Arrgh

"placing blame" -- It's not out of character at all for you to do something that uninformed and foolish, so point the finger at whoever you want. I happen to think that this place finally has a great cross-section of all kinds of people, and it's exponentially more interesting now than even a year ago.

anyway, top 10 so far this year:

1. streets - original pirate material
2. sonic youth - murray street
3. xinlisupreme - tomorrow never comes
4. sugababes - angels with dirty faces
5. v/a - hustle! reggae disco
6. farben - textstar
7. boards of canada - geogaddi
8. v/a - kompakt total 4
9. mri - all that glitters
10. horsepower productions - in fine style (probably)

anyway, who really cares about "long term value". singles:

1. nelly - "hot in herre"
2. sugababes - "freak like me" (although, rockist alert: the album version is better.)
3. lcd soundsystem - "beat connection"
4. missy elliot - "work it"
5. the wildbunch - "danger! high voltage!"
6. cam'ron - "oh boy"
7. andrew wk - "party hard"
8. farben - "sez love to love you, baby"
9. xinlisupreme - "all you need is love was not true"
10. clipse - "grindin"

i left out Sixteen Horsepower's "Folklore", and the Books' "Thought for Food" - both superb.

only donut bitch can save us now

Ur, um, sorry.. wasn't paying attention... was busy writing a new chapter in my upcoming book "Fuck Pop, Let's Authenticate!"

Saying this won't change anyone's mind, but "Weak Become Heroes" really is classic.

(this is not irony!)

the board is "exponentially more interesting than it was a year ago"

2, 4, 16...uh shit what comes after that

geeta: two muddafuckin fitty sick

I recant what I said about the ILM becoming more interesting. It's all come crashing down with each new post in this thread (notably, MINE).

Sunday, September 22nd, 2002... the horrific day ILM will never forget

See how much I hate pop?

What are your PAT scores?

...and plenty more i can't remember. a very good year.

Jess yes be nice like me you cunt.

2002 has been excellent I think, really brittle and exciting.

I'll get the new Low one this week.

Don't think I'll bother with the Polyphonic Spree.

Flaming Lips were disappointing.

It's been a pretty shitty year for chart music, but there's been some great stuff out there. The Soulwax/Dewealle Brothers/2Many DJs album was great, "Kik Off" was a great album and single, Kid 606, Pitman, AM60, "Soldier Girl", Ms Dynamite, "The Life", "Introspection", Joie Dead Blonde Girlfriend, the Rough Trade Antifolk compilation CD, and, of course, Blackalicious.

When is the focus group out Tom? (did you get my very late ballot?)

Cosmos-Take Me With You
LCD Soundsystem-Losing My Edge.
X-Press 2-Lazy
Underworld-Two Months Off
Felix Da Housecat-Silver Screen Shower Scene (LRD remix)
Josh One-Contemplation-King Britt funk remix.
David Byrne-Shine Sister (X-Press 2 remix)
Ils-Next Level
Plump DJs-Big Groovy Fucker.
Phil Kieran-My House is Your House
Layo and Bushwacka-Love Story (Tim Deluxe remix)
Shakedown-At Night (original and the Kid Kreme remix)
The Streets-Weak Become Heroes (Ashley Beedle remix)

Albumwise I've enjoyed

Muzizkizum by X-Press 2
Underworld-A Hundred Days Off
The Streets-Original Pirate Material
mix albums.
Jon Carter-Viva Bugged Out
Erick Morillo-Subliminal Sessions Vol 3
Tom Middleton-The Sound of the Cosmos.
V/A-Futurism
Tiga-American Gigolo.

And many many more!

(best album of the year is The Streets though)

DJ Touche also gets a mention for "Gimme My Money", mainly because Wall of Sound owe him 500 grand, haha.

Been a good year, as far as I'm concerned.

Especially considering his name is Mark. I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees Interpol as MDID 15 years later, though (and not as good). It's too bad that CD he put out last week won't get a fraction of the press Interpol does, though.

I am going to chain Tim to a CD burner next time I go down there and make him make me the ultimate 40 disc CDR of 'great German dance of the new millennium' collection. I figure it'll be easier that way. ;-)

Fonda 500, Boa Morte, Sonic Youth, Flaming Lips, Wilco, Boards of Canada, Reindeer Section, Idlewild, Low, Queens of the Stone Age, James Yorkston and the Athletes, Radar Bros., Clinic, Coldplay, Beachwood Sparks...among others.

There's a few to come, or that have been released already, that I'd like to hear too: Delgados, Underworld, Ryan Adams, Polyphonic Spree, Beck, Tom Waits...

Plenty of reasons to be cheerful.

"What is the classic?"

Beachwood Sparks - "Make the Robot Cowboys Cry". A neglected classic, at that. I can't praise it enough. I just got the Low one, but it seems pretty classic, also.

so, no offence now, mind, but fuck off you over-stuffed, patronizing git.

Fave albums are still "Original pirate material" and "Murray Street".

Honorable mentions-"Yankee hotel foxtrot", "The Eminem show", "Title TK" and "Come with us"

Who said we were talking albums?

Matt DC, did you buy Medicine8's album? Capital Rocka was on this Jon Carter mix from about 4 years ago and it's only now re-released and getting played, I love it. Love Ape Can't Kill Ape too, is the album as good as the reviews are saying?

Kilian the new Underworld is well worth hearing.

Everyone download Vitalic live at Fuse, it's pretty mind blowing, may yet become my favourite, I'd also love to have a go at reviewing it, even though I'm unsure if it's all their own material, one song is Kid Kreme's remix of Thrill Me by Junior Jack.

Is Michael B the archetypal ILMer? :)

2002 has been a grebt year so far. The first 3 months were especially good.

I forgot about the Megadeth live album! Such a great version of "devil's island".

It's [just] replaced 'Original Pirate Material' as my fave album this year.

Mr. Cox - all we've got in common is the name...?!

Finney - re: Streets. better get crackin' on 2003, yer 2 for 2 my sahn "...the pressure, ... the pressure, whoah oh oh oh..."

All my other choices are boring bands everyone's heard of and already mentioned.

So in terms of instant reaction or whatever this is just the ultimate. Yet to be so blown away this year, though generally as taken with music as ever.

Cosmos-Take Me With You
LCD Soundsystem-Losing My Edge.
X-Press 2-Lazy
Underworld-Two Months Off
Felix Da Housecat-Silver Screen Shower Scene (LRD remix)
Josh One-Contemplation-King Britt funk remix.
David Byrne-Shine Sister (X-Press 2 remix)
Ils-Next Level
Plump DJs-Big Groovy Fucker.
Phil Kieran-My House is Your House
Layo and Bushwacka-Love Story (Tim Deluxe remix)
Shakedown-At Night (original and the Kid Kreme remix)
The Streets-Weak Become Heroes (Ashley Beedle remix)

how many of these do you think you'll remember in ten years time? i'd put my money on 'lazy' (my personal most annoying single of 2002) and lcd soundsystem (coz it's a future classic).

i still don't get the streets. i don't think a week goes by that i don't get sent some streets remix package and every single one has totally underwhelmed me. it's like an ok joke that you enjoyed once but wouldn't really want to have to hear again.

new missy elliot - it ain't no get yr freak on.

and paul, don't worry about being an indie cunt. we know you can't help it.

who fucking cares? singles are NOW.

and singles are 2002. I could probably very comfortably come up with 40 I like-to-love this year, and I bet almost none of 'em sound all that similar. [that'll be my next post, incidentally]

incidentally, "handbag microhouse" is my favorite genre of music ever; now if somebody would actually make some....

I do like this year's Willie Rosario "The Master of Rhythm and Swing Live in Puerto Rico."

Also, I'm very interested in checking out the Brother Ah reissues. (Brother Ah, one of many musicians to have worked with Sun Ra. Has gotten favorable reviews, so to speak, on the Saturn mailing list.)

Surprisingly, I kind of liked some of those Boom Selection bootleg thingies I listened to.

Tom, I want you to scare yourself with how much you remember of "Where's Me Jumper?" by the Sultans of Ping FC right now.

(ron you rock, etc)

this is an unusual thing to say (or, at least, i don't understand this). a) surely we live now, not in 10 years time?
b) surely you remember the things that make your youth?
c) its not easy to predict what will be remembered. generation after generation thinks its prog art opuses will be remembered and that the 'pop/dance tat' will be forgotten. each generation proved wrong. the dance records i was listening to when i was 16 (hurt you so, euphoria etc etc), i was continually told were plebian rubbish and that i should listen to either indie or progressive house (depending which rubbish magazine i was reading). those records i listen to continually still today

so singles then:

n.o.r.e - nothing'
underworld - two months off
goldenboy feat miss kittin - rippin kittin
nelly - hot in herrrrr-ruh
the first four seconds of cam'ron - hey ma
bootlegs that i can't be bothered to remember whether they came this year or the last
truth hurts- addictive
busta w diddy n pharrel - pass the courvarsieouroiur
ludacris - saturday
tweet - drunk

ps. i really hope list season hasn't properly started yet. can't you people at least contain yrselve's till late october/early november? cos once these things get started...

not akufen, tho.

But Liars sounded OK.

I don't mean to sound snarky but why in the hell is that at all significant? Isn't "you won't remember these in ten years time" a kind of "bob dylan is better than everything you own" type argument, and I know you're not one of those stirmonster.

I've come to the point where one great single does as much for me as one great album, perhaps I've dumbed myself down or something, whatever, it's true, this may make them harder to remember.

Max Tundra - "Mastered By Guy At The Exchange"

That's very good. It came out last month.

i will remember all these in ten years time....right now i cant remember any big club tracks from 2001 and 2000 tho!

Agent Sumo-24 Hours
Green Velvet-La La Land (Dave Clarke remix)
X-Press 2-Smoke Machine
Tim Deluxe-We All Love Sax

i agree that singles are about now, and even at times a quick fix of joyous desposability but i like specualting about what i will remember from a year way down the line. hey, i'm a freak.

so, apologies if i offended. i would never claim anything is better than anything else, just that i might like something better than something else. after all one man's fish is another man's poisson.

er, i guess the fx of the weekend have still to wear off.

can i just add that paul cox is still an indie cunt. remebmer that in scotland 'cunt' is a term of endearment (probably 'cos we love women's genitalia so much!)

i think i'm going to find out who gonzales press agent/publicist is, they obviuosly doing a great job, have been in careless talk costs lives twice in a row.

the streets album very good,liked the crap recording approach to the vocals, ie, turn up real loud and not give a fuck.

best reissue:
Ulver - Teachings in silence (Black Apple)
and of course the Hirsche Nicht Aufs Sofa reissues on Dom