― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 16 May 2003 10:24 (twenty-two years ago)
I like them, PP. There are not many on ILM who do.
Read this: Black Keys
Both albums are great, if you like that sort of thing, and I do. Buy The Big Come Up first.
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 16 May 2003 10:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 16 May 2003 10:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 16 May 2003 11:20 (twenty-two years ago)
― nickie (nickie), Friday, 16 May 2003 11:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 16 May 2003 11:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 16 May 2003 11:35 (twenty-two years ago)
Here's my review of their album, Thickfreakness:
Thickfreaknessthe Black KeysFat Possum/Epitaph4 stars
Forget the White Stripes. Okay, don’t forget them, but they are in neither the first nor last word in guitar-and-drums-only punked-out blues. But that’s more or less where the similarities end between the high-concept ‘Stripes and the medium-fidelity Black Keys. On their follow-up to last year’s stunning debut The Big Come Up, the Akron, OH duo of Dan Auerbach (guitar, vocals) and Patrick Carney (drums) serve up a no-frills fuzz-fest of chunky licks, hoary moans and whalloping of soul. Thickfreakness gets right to the point and stays there for all 11 songs. There isn’t a single dull moment. Though the Black Keys are very much in the tradition of 60s and 70s blues-rock outfits like Cream or even early ZZ Top, they never waste time on the sort of excessive noodling that mires groups of that era, and continues to ruin a lot of otherwise good blues-rock today. Like Them Wranch’s overlooked garage classic Medium Rare, or even Richard Meltzer’s novel The Night (Alone), Thickfreakness unflinchingly concerns itself with the seemy underbelly of human emotion. Songs like “Set You Free”, “Midnight in Her Eyes” and “Hurt Like Mine” are raw insinuations of chronic heartache, acute loneliness and bad decisions. Even when they’re trafficking in the most clichéd idioms of the blues, the Black Keys sound unfailingly fresh and invigorating.
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:54 (twenty-two years ago)
No I never stop talking about Meltzer. Actually, I had pulled out TN(A) that week. Last week I opened my review of the new New Pornographers with a quote from The Count of Monte Cristo, so the Black Keys got lucky.This week I'm reviewing LiveOnRelease (sub-Avril Lavignes) and am reading Coyote v. Acme so, we'll see where I go with that in about 4 hours.
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)
but best of luck to them.
if a british band did it though they would be roundly slagged for beign way too retro.
― arthur woodlouse (arthur woodlouse), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)
although in blues terms, incest is a pay off gimmick.
― arthur woodlouse (arthur woodlouse), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)
the band makes really horrible sounding records, like the actual recording quality. dude should be banned from producing. he almost ruined a really good jessica lea mayfield record and the shit i've heard off the dr. john thing has those same terrible thin sounds. he's no jack white.
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 August 2012 16:08 (thirteen years ago)
I saw them appear on a "top 10 worst hipster bands" recently
― Sweet Yin Yang ☯ (Latham Green), Wednesday, 29 August 2012 16:13 (thirteen years ago)
lol @ this band
― write 500 words of song (sleepingbag), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 18:36 (eleven years ago)
watching their shitty drummer struggle to play the most basic rock and roll beat possibly imaginable is one of contemporary rock music's many delights
― write 500 words of song (sleepingbag), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 18:40 (eleven years ago)
these guys are such clowns
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 18:41 (eleven years ago)
how did they get popular? genuine question
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:02 (eleven years ago)
The "five rock records a year", Rolling Stone subscribing crowd loves the shit out of them.
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:17 (eleven years ago)
they made a serious leap at some point though, like i saw them in '03 and they were so scuzzy and unfashionable and at some point they just flipped a switch and were like "we're going to play arenas now"
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:21 (eleven years ago)
do not do not do not understand these guys at all. people love them though!
― bouts of remission, hot 'n fresh out tha kitchen (will), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:22 (eleven years ago)
I'm not sure I can explain the "why", I think they just sorta became the default "real" rock band for the RS crowd that hates folkie stuff and can't stand keyboards.
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:23 (eleven years ago)
i never understood these dudes and their terrible music until i read this: http://www.thelmagazine.com/TheMeasure/archives/2011/03/07/the-black-keys-dan-auerbach-allegedly-loves-dave-matthews-calls-indie-pop-gay
― adam, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:24 (eleven years ago)
I actually don't think their music is "terrible" (with the possible exception of Danger Mouse's shitty production job), I just think it's even worse because they manage to make ostensibly garage rock completely bland and lifeless.
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:25 (eleven years ago)
i think they were able to ride the strokes, hives, vines, white stripes, etc. movement of "real rock music", and then found success w/ the first few danger mouse collaboration albums. also licensing the shit out of their music might have helped too.
― marcos, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:26 (eleven years ago)
yeah but the hives & stokes & white stripes are all pretty good! and put out some good-to-great records imo. i saw black keys play one incredibly packed club back in '06 or so. ditched my party after less than an hour so i could go catch Jack Oblivian. the talent/fame contrast between the two shows was kind of striking.
― bouts of remission, hot 'n fresh out tha kitchen (will), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:29 (eleven years ago)
they're cut from the same cloth and appeal to the same people in some ways as kings of leon or some other bullshit. they're so boring and so dumb. i mean the drummer is engaged in an ongoing twitter beef with justin bieber, which is just the most pathetic thing.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:30 (eleven years ago)
these guys fuckin suck
I like the album cover with the reservation that cool op-art covers are in vogue with the most loathsome bands right now
― smhphony orchestra (crüt), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:34 (eleven years ago)
yeah but the hives & stokes & white stripes are all pretty good!
fuck all these bands imo, ESPECIALLY the hives. vines were the shittiest though
― marcos, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:36 (eleven years ago)
tmz follows them around. it's crazy
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:38 (eleven years ago)
i liked rubber factory in 2005 but have no idea why they still play music
― purposely lend impetus to my HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:39 (eleven years ago)
$$$
― famous instagram God (waterface), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:41 (eleven years ago)
i feel such a loyalty though to the black keys even though i don't really listen to them. we're all from northeast ohio - i'm from cleveland, they're from akron, and it's such a underdog of a region that i'm happy that they are so huge, i can't help but root for them. i remember when my brother-in-law went to their first show in cleveland like 12 years ago or something.
though i'd rather a cleveland band like mr. gnome get world famous instead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm_N27v38_Y
― marcos, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:43 (eleven years ago)
i don't think i'm forceful enough to really make my point in the midst of a bunch of hate but this band was important to my life when i was much more musically naive and opened my eyes to a lot of cool stuff, and i still have a soft spot for the Big Come Up and Rubber Factory. alright thanks everybody
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:43 (eleven years ago)
yea i have no animosity towards them.
― marcos, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:45 (eleven years ago)
just blew 20 minutes reading about the drummer's divorce, yeesh
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:50 (eleven years ago)
xp tbf re: auerbach "loving" dave matthews, that quote is about auerbach in high school. 99% of my friends fucking loved dave matthews in high school. i won't bedrudge anyone for their high school tastes.
― marcos, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:51 (eleven years ago)
my old band played a show w/mr. gnome once! they were really good & seemed nice
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:53 (eleven years ago)
rad! i've heard they are good folks.
― marcos, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:55 (eleven years ago)
i can't quite place "fever" but every time they've played it on the radio today i've gotten some deja entendu. any idea what it might be reminding me of?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 19:58 (eleven years ago)
i think it's some arctic monkeys song. they sound like, exactly the same.
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 20:00 (eleven years ago)
Basically, "Tighten Up" became a big hit due to it's ctachy whistling and being used in a bunch of commercials. This was also around the time that Jack White announced that The White Stripes had broken up, and were thus they were able to pick up a fanbase of people still craving bluesy modern rock.
Or at least, that's what I gathered.
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 20:00 (eleven years ago)
yeah that's kind of otm - i think they basically became what people wanted the white stripes to be.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 20:04 (eleven years ago)
I guess ppl wanted the white stripes to be a less charismatic version of Ryan gosling and a proclaimer after he's been stretched out on a medieval torture rack.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 20:07 (eleven years ago)
i think that's about right!
― tylerw, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 20:09 (eleven years ago)
i just realized! it reminds me of "disturbia"
― Mordy, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 20:10 (eleven years ago)
(lol)
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:07 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lmao /thread
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 21:09 (eleven years ago)
yeah, these guys seem to be everywhere now. i first heard about them b/c they recorded a tribute album to junior kimbrough or something and that got my attention. but then i listened to it. actually i probably heard of them before, but only in passing.
i don't find them offensive or anything, though i'm sure i'd begin to hate them if i read enough of their reviews (i can just imagine). they're mediocre, but so are 90% of bands that do well.
as for the ca. 2000 Rock bands mentioned upthread, the strokes were a pretty great pop group for a while. the hives were just revivalists way in over their heads, and the vines were another one of those patently atrocious bands the UK music press goes gaga for every six months.
― espring (amateurist), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 21:17 (eleven years ago)
jesus i just got a live nation spam email and they are playing the target center (20K arena where the minnesota timberwolves play), no idea they were that big
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 21:33 (eleven years ago)
feels like they decided to pretend they were that big and people believed them
― tylerw, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 21:48 (eleven years ago)
whoever compared them to kings of leon is right, no idea how that dull-as-dust band manages to get anyone excited enough to fill up stadiums year after year but hey it happens.
― espring (amateurist), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 22:07 (eleven years ago)
I like 'em. Brothers and El Camino are enjoyable for what they are, but I don't listen to them a hell of a lot.
― president of the people's republic of antarctica (Arctic Mindbath), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 22:21 (eleven years ago)
concert doc about the black keys:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaM6lTmhnak&sns=em
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 22:54 (eleven years ago)
Trollbaiter3 years ago The director could have substituted in the Black Keys for Blueshammer and the effect would be the same.
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 23:04 (eleven years ago)
black keys=blueshammer?
― espring (amateurist), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 23:15 (eleven years ago)
I loves me some Black Keys! They rock. Fuck y'all haterz.
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 23:26 (eleven years ago)
What does it mean for a piece of music to "rock"?
― espring (amateurist), Tuesday, 13 May 2014 23:33 (eleven years ago)
Black Keys supporter here!and to add to the controversy, big fan of Attack & Release, though Rubber Factory is the definitive work.
― LimbsKing, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 23:57 (eleven years ago)
i guess "black keys=blueshammer lol" is the blueshammer of jokes
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 00:55 (eleven years ago)
blueshumor
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, May 13, 2014 11:26 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
THE RETURN OF
― purposely lend impetus to my HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 02:51 (eleven years ago)
if the Black Keys sounded like Blueshammer they would suck less
― smhphony orchestra (crüt), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 20:42 (eleven years ago)
they would be awesome if they sounded like rory gallagher
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 20:44 (eleven years ago)
eh, the blueshammer comparison is kind of bullshit unless you're gonna throw it onto the 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 other white rock bands who ripped off original blues musicians, too, b/c on some level all those bands are blueshammers. even led zeppelin on a certain level.
― marcos, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 20:44 (eleven years ago)
I always feel like these guys bit Judah Bauer of Jon Spencer's side project band 20 Miles pretty hard...their first album on Fat Possum was dope, stripped down 2 piece blues deal
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 20:45 (eleven years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAcQw7QN68U
I enjoyed some recent TV performances I've seen of theirs. Don't really get a blueshammer vibe at all, but maybe the new songs are super psyched out.
― ▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 21:05 (eleven years ago)
Yeah marcos otm there
Probably mentioned or debated upthread, but I don't know if I respect the band for just giving in and essentially making breadwinner Danger Mouse a member or no. I mean, Black Keys were reasonably popular before, for an indie act, but Danger Mouse made them mega. So does that count as a sell-out move to stick with him? Does that mean he deserves as much if not more credit than the band itself? "El Camino" was the first where he was given co-writer credit on every track, but he must have played a big role in the previous album's writing. The new one is a full collab/co-write, too. They should just call it Danger Keys.
A friend noticed that the drummer is perfectly fine when paired in a duo with the guitarist, but as a drummer in a full band, as the BK are now, he's sloppy city.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 21:45 (eleven years ago)
the guitarist was basically fixing the drummers mistakes imo
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 22:00 (eleven years ago)
i think the blueshammer tag is cruel, these guys aren't particularly interesting or much fun IMO but they aren't just a punchline.
― espring (amateurist), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 22:39 (eleven years ago)
I would genuinely rather go see a local BBQ blues band play SRV and Albert King covers than see Black Keys
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 23:02 (eleven years ago)
#coldshot
those guys are at least self-aware
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 23:45 (eleven years ago)
"gotta get away" is my jam atm.
― president of the people's republic of antarctica (Arctic Mindbath), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 23:59 (eleven years ago)
Neck in neck with Michael Jackson's album to debut at #1 next week
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 May 2014 00:05 (eleven years ago)
If these guys don't merit the blueshammer tag its because they're too ignorable. That vague inoffensive schmindie quality.
― da croupier, Thursday, 15 May 2014 00:13 (eleven years ago)
I keep waiting for these guys to make that one crossover jam that I'd want to hear twice (or hell, just remember the hook of) but it ain't happened yet.
― da croupier, Thursday, 15 May 2014 00:14 (eleven years ago)
Bluespaperweight
― da croupier, Thursday, 15 May 2014 00:15 (eleven years ago)
I had their first album, it was ok, i liked that '10 AM Automatic' song after that. There's worse omnipresent music out there, all the recent hits are fairly tolerable.
― JoeStork, Thursday, 15 May 2014 00:17 (eleven years ago)
Keys enthusiasts/tolerators, is there anything missing from the formula "White Stripes - Violent Femmes = Black Keys"? Admittedly I ain't dug deep into the BK oeuvre.
― da croupier, Thursday, 15 May 2014 00:38 (eleven years ago)
What about Black Keys as NPR Gun Club?
― da croupier, Thursday, 15 May 2014 00:40 (eleven years ago)
yeah '10 AM Automatic' ain't bad. blueshammer doesn't work because there's no lengthy minor pentatonic solos (there are short ones) or honkin on the ole mouth harp.
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 May 2014 00:49 (eleven years ago)
I feel like they must be self aware if they can title a song with a hilariously loose drum track 'Tighten Up'
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 May 2014 00:56 (eleven years ago)
A-Bing the two, croup's equation is pretty accurate though, yeah
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 May 2014 01:03 (eleven years ago)
i don't get a violent femmes vibe from this band at all
― marcos, Thursday, 15 May 2014 13:25 (eleven years ago)
RS cover story from a few years ago had details that I found very telling: that auerbach is suspect in some circles (elucidated by Carney's exwife) in that G Love and special Sauce were his favorite band as a teen. which I might snort at were I to be uncharitable to be a guy who's 8 years younger than me. I would think it's likely that he probly went in for JSBX hard afterwards, which would lead to 20 miles, referenced above.
and I think there was this bit about Jack white being pissed at his ex-wife because she had their kids go to the same school as Auerbach's, and he doesn't want to go to parent teacher conferences and be around the guy that he considers to be his lousy imitator.
and some ill-will might be down to the whole presumptuous "we're saving rock from nickelback" thang—funny now, as Nickelback's time appears to be over. BK seemed to be one of the dime a dozen blooz duos I saw live in the 10 years spanning JSBX and White Stripes.
― veronica moser, Thursday, 15 May 2014 13:36 (eleven years ago)
Yeah that's why there's a minus sign in there
― da croupier, Thursday, 15 May 2014 13:37 (eleven years ago)
Xpost
ah ok
― marcos, Thursday, 15 May 2014 13:51 (eleven years ago)
I would listen to a Nickelback/Danger Mouse collab.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 15 May 2014 13:56 (eleven years ago)
The other thing they are missing from the Stripes is that Jack is a hotshit guitar player
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 15 May 2014 14:05 (eleven years ago)
Jack's guitars always sound amazing, but is he really that skilled at guitar? I'm sure he doesn't want to play fast, but could he play fast many-note solos if that's what he wanted? Can he play hotshit fingerpicking songs? "We're Going to Be Friends", if a good song, is some sub-blackbird fingerpicking.
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 May 2014 14:38 (eleven years ago)
yeah the guy has chops (doesn't always show em off, but he's more than capable)
― tylerw, Thursday, 15 May 2014 14:39 (eleven years ago)
Persona-wise, I find the Black Keys dudes way less annoying than Jack White. And loose though he may be, the drummer is miles better than Meg "1, 2, 3...um, um..." White.
Plus, I continue to find this video amusing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_PrT25o8Vs
― Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 15 May 2014 14:47 (eleven years ago)
yeah i've seen live footage of him going off and white got more showoffy on later stuff and in other projects
jack white's annoying persona is the best part!
the white stripes are super pretentious and the black keys are not and that's why the white stripes are way better
it was a concept band, naming their 2nd record de stijl and the coordinated clothes and stuff...it was art rock
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 15 May 2014 14:53 (eleven years ago)
full disclosure: i'm giving jack a lot of slack lately because of the neil young record and the angel holograms in his new record
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 15 May 2014 14:54 (eleven years ago)
― da croupier, Wednesday, May 14, 2014 7:40 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
uuuh fuck no bro
Most people itt seem to be acting like the Black Keys still sound like they did before Danger Mouse. Now they're catchy classic rock dudes.
― What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Thursday, 15 May 2014 14:56 (eleven years ago)
Persona-wise, I find the Black Keys dudes way less annoying than Jack White.
Depends what you count as annoying. I don't recall Jack White complaining about other musicians as much as these guys.
― MarkoP, Thursday, 15 May 2014 14:56 (eleven years ago)
this sounds like 'jack white shreds'
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 May 2014 14:58 (eleven years ago)
those are dope solos dude, wilding out
you like on some alan holdsworth shit or something?
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 15 May 2014 14:59 (eleven years ago)
I guess I just find it weird to describe jack white as a hotshit guitarist when there's probably a few insurance salesmen in every US city that are more skilled.
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 May 2014 15:00 (eleven years ago)
i guess we have a different definition
if you mean like tone attorney type dudes with pristine $3000 Paul Reed Smith koa wood guitars with active pickups and boutique hand wired combo amps that have never been out of the house and boxes of polybagged back issues of Guitar Player magazines who can breeze through mixolydian mode scales up and down the neck but have never actually played a show outside of the neighborhood block party that one year yeah you're right. but jack is audacious and so are those solos. he's got solid chops and a distinctive way of playing.
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 15 May 2014 15:04 (eleven years ago)
yeah, i'm definitely being a bit cranky about it, but I agree with everything in that post. I think I'm just channeling some leftover hatred I have from seeing some documentary where jack white and the edge got together to talk about blues guitar.
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 May 2014 15:09 (eleven years ago)
http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mO2cvHWPAb229YPw6Bkjm3w.jpg
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 May 2014 15:11 (eleven years ago)
Yeah slippery slope there. There are "more skilled" guitarists all over the world that play the absolutely worst shit. "Hot shit" is relative to the context of the music. There certainly are insurance salesman/music store employess all over the world who believe this whole-heartedly though.
― grandavis, Thursday, 15 May 2014 15:12 (eleven years ago)
yeah but you can't really separate jack white from the insurance salesmen music store employee guitar world culture. he is often the focus of it!
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 May 2014 15:13 (eleven years ago)
as his place in that documentary suggests, he's probably the main example of a 21st century "guitar hero". is there anyone else in the mainstream along those lines?
― tylerw, Thursday, 15 May 2014 15:14 (eleven years ago)
The only parts of that movie I remember are J. White making the single-string guitar on some porch and J. Page putting on Link Wray and just dorking the fuck out over it. Those scenes were pretty cool.
― grandavis, Thursday, 15 May 2014 15:14 (eleven years ago)
xp jonny greenwood maybe?
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 May 2014 15:15 (eleven years ago)
maybe that muse guy? feel like there are lots of metal dudes that maybe don't count as 'guitar heros'
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 May 2014 15:16 (eleven years ago)
i definitely don't like jack white's style of playing, but he can def play
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 15 May 2014 15:18 (eleven years ago)
The only thing he really has in abundance is style!
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 May 2014 15:20 (eleven years ago)
Tom Morello feels like a "21st century guitar" guy, even though he was big in the 20th.
― kornrulez6969, Thursday, 15 May 2014 15:23 (eleven years ago)
hey UMS! I have been cunt-struck for the "tone attorney" phrase since I discovered it on the electrical audio boards…does anyone know if that's where it emerged?
and while I can't cite any examples right at this second, it seems like all that Jack White did when he hit big was scream that every single thing about modern music—recording technique but musicians especially— were no good and that he implicitly and maybe Mick Collins or somebody were carrying the torch for real music. Reminds me of a passage in the oral history about detroit, D. rock city, where some disgruntled detroit person, one of many there who side with Jim Diamond but that JW regards as a pure hater boiling over with envy, recalled that White listened to Rage against the Machine, Korn and other mid 90s nu-metal, which seems even more damning than digging G love.
yeah, chops guys who geek out over Vai and SRV and used to read guitar mags consider White like the only bright spot in the "popular music" of the last 15 years. John Mayer can play, but they hate his songwriting, and there's guys like Oz Noy and Nels Cline, but that's niche. many of those guys are still really really mad about the decline of chops in the mainstream after 20 years.
― veronica moser, Thursday, 15 May 2014 15:24 (eleven years ago)
haha oh man forgot about nels cline. That brings up mark kozelek as another potential modern guitar hero.
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 May 2014 15:29 (eleven years ago)
i guess we have a different definitionif you mean like tone attorney type dudes with pristine $3000 Paul Reed Smith koa wood guitars with active pickups and boutique hand wired combo amps that have never been out of the house and boxes of polybagged back issues of Guitar Player magazines who can breeze through mixolydian mode scales up and down the neck but have never actually played a show outside of the neighborhood block party that one year yeah you're right. but jack is audacious and so are those solos. he's got solid chops and a distinctive way of playing.― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, May 15, 2014 8:04 AM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, May 15, 2014 8:04 AM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^5
― Spottie, Thursday, 15 May 2014 15:42 (eleven years ago)
haha veronica i believe it came from a local music board i post to w/some crossover with EA...i believe that was a z0m-z0m turn of phrase
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 15 May 2014 15:49 (eleven years ago)
its too good
― Spottie, Thursday, 15 May 2014 15:50 (eleven years ago)
it's so perfect i use it all the time now and i don't even think that it's not a common phrase
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 15 May 2014 15:52 (eleven years ago)
I don't recall Jack White complaining about other musicians as much as these guys.
Haha, except for all the shit he talks about the Black Keys! Anyway, Jack White is annoying and I don't like him much as a guitar player. His guitar is as annoying as he is, imo. The funniest thing about that doc is the self-cancelling nature of those three dudes: Jack White is only great compared to the Edge, who is not much of a guitarist. But everything Jack White does absolutely pales compared to Jimmy Page, to whom he owes a ton. So of course they plop him next to page. It's like, "Hey, Jack White, I bet you feel great about yourself after the Edge sheepishly showed you how to play 'I Will Follow," oh you do, well, here's Jimmy Page, motherfucker, how do you feel about yourself now?"
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 15 May 2014 15:57 (eleven years ago)
otm, white was always a hurdle for me in appreciating the white stripes. i think i have more appreciation for the black keys because being from cleveland i knew them from the beginning and they really did seem like two regular dudes from a shitty northeast ohio town, and they seemed unpretentious. that said i value "pretentiousness" in many other bands (PINK FLOYD RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!) but not really in garage blues-rock duos
― marcos, Thursday, 15 May 2014 16:07 (eleven years ago)
every photo i see of auerbach makes me worry he's not getting enough sleep
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 15 May 2014 16:16 (eleven years ago)
yeah, JiC's post sums up my feelings. it's a "this dude is the heir to jimmy page's Guitar Player market?" feeling. it has nothing to do with my enjoyment of the music. sure, you can define "good guitar playing" however you want, but there are quantitative metrics. and I believe that people mistakenly think that Jack White is excellent within those metrics because he's marketed that way.
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 May 2014 16:27 (eleven years ago)
but I totally agree that white can wild out in a way that auerbach perhaps can't, and it is a big reason for the gap in enjoyment for me. so UMS's original post is otm, and I'm sad that I even went down this road ;_;
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 May 2014 16:30 (eleven years ago)
black keys drummer makes meg white seem like billy fucking cobham
― write 500 words of song (sleepingbag), Thursday, 15 May 2014 16:33 (eleven years ago)
Eh, they both suck, sorry. Would see a Billy Cobham/Jack White duo in a heartbeat.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 15 May 2014 16:35 (eleven years ago)
they do both suck but one of them can't even suck properly
― write 500 words of song (sleepingbag), Thursday, 15 May 2014 16:36 (eleven years ago)
^^
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 May 2014 16:38 (eleven years ago)
lmao at "tone attorney type dudes" totally using that one from now on
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 15 May 2014 16:47 (eleven years ago)
big come up and thickfreakness were great. all went to shit after that.
― Nerd Trombones (thebingo), Thursday, 15 May 2014 16:49 (eleven years ago)
I admired-from-a-distance the loose, trashy, swinging quality of Meg White's drumming, but it never lifted off when it needed to (although I'm not a Stripes fan anyway -- White always sounded like he was playing at a style of music, not unlike someone like Wynton Marsalis).
But the Black Keys drummer is just stiff and dull and I'm already sleepy from writing that much about him.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 15 May 2014 17:01 (eleven years ago)
yeah, that's it. the 'looseness' of the Burt's Bees drummer seems to come from stiffness. that's what makes it so bad.
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 May 2014 17:07 (eleven years ago)
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:27 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
hey hey hey btw tone attorney stuff aside I am in NO WAY claiming that JW is on the same planet as Jimmy page as a guitarist, songwriter, producer, anything btw
just saying him and meg were a distinctive thing, and i think he can play...but when i first saw them i kinda got they were going for a look/aesthetic in a real way which is why they turned into stars as opposed to 65 other late 90s estrus records type garage rock/blues bands that were in that world
black keys don't have any aesthetic they aren't about anything except being...well okay i guess these guys are kind of a new band that you could dig if you like classic rock but want a new band to like
kinda like the black crowes w/o the tunes
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 15 May 2014 18:11 (eleven years ago)
Feel like it's a testament to how exciting the Black Keys are that this thread has turned into a discussion of whether Jack White is really a good guitar player or not.
― intheblanks, Thursday, 15 May 2014 19:40 (eleven years ago)
lol otm
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, May 15, 2014 7:05 AM Bookmark
Also that Meg, despite her lack of technique, had a great fucking drum sound
― The Reverend, Thursday, 15 May 2014 20:07 (eleven years ago)
yes also true
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 May 2014 20:09 (eleven years ago)
I'm currently listening to the dan auerbach solo record in order to unpack just how much of this is the drums
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 May 2014 20:10 (eleven years ago)
also the idea that jack white's music would be better with a "better" drummer than meg seems to be refuted by...all the other music jack white has made
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 15 May 2014 20:31 (eleven years ago)
― The Reverend, Thursday, 15 May 2014 20:32 (eleven years ago)
yeah, that's basically where i'm at with this solo record experiment as well. but i do think that white reserves a certain writing and production voice for white stripes songs. so it might be an unfair if still pretty funny point.
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 May 2014 20:33 (eleven years ago)
yup
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 15 May 2014 21:14 (eleven years ago)
auerbach is like nu-clapton
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 15 May 2014 21:17 (eleven years ago)
basing that entirely on the beard and the dead eyes
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 15 May 2014 21:18 (eleven years ago)
not looking forward to his "Tears In Heaven"...
― Damnit Janet Weiss & The Riot Grrriel (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 15 May 2014 21:18 (eleven years ago)
...after he murders Jack White's child
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 15 May 2014 21:28 (eleven years ago)
johnny winter and eric clapton vs jack white and dan auerbach
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 May 2014 21:42 (eleven years ago)
mostly i feel relief that the whole "guitar hero" meme doesn't have nearly as much currency these days than it used to.
― espring (amateurist), Thursday, 15 May 2014 21:49 (eleven years ago)
think it has more currency than ever. there just aren't many new guitar gyros.
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 May 2014 21:53 (eleven years ago)
really? on what basis would you say that?
― espring (amateurist), Thursday, 15 May 2014 21:56 (eleven years ago)
When a crowd hears a good solo, they cheer?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 15 May 2014 21:58 (eleven years ago)
Brad Paisley a current guitar hero. St Vincent too.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 15 May 2014 21:59 (eleven years ago)
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, May 15, 2014 4:58 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
now that's just uncivilized
― espring (amateurist), Thursday, 15 May 2014 22:00 (eleven years ago)
probably smash hit video game Guitar Hero
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 May 2014 22:04 (eleven years ago)
bloodthirsty hordes always cheer when a good solo is executed
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 15 May 2014 22:05 (eleven years ago)
they hang out at guitar center every weekend, sipping their vitamin spiked mondos while arguing the superiority of the phrygian and mixolydian modes
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 May 2014 22:12 (eleven years ago)
richard bishop is kind of a marginal gtr hero
― espring (amateurist), Thursday, 15 May 2014 22:16 (eleven years ago)
The mags are trying to make Gary Clark Jr. happen, although bets are hedged on his album by emphasizing him as a neo soul/lite hip hop dude as much as being a guitar god.
― Damnit Janet Weiss & The Riot Grrriel (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 15 May 2014 22:26 (eleven years ago)
this stuff works retroactively. If a band with guitars gets popular and embraces any part of the identifiable canonical rock gtr lineage, then they get the "guitar god" treatment. Cases in point: neither Cobain nor White were not particularly showy about their chops on their career-defining stuff, but as they became gargantuan and their connections to previous hard rock stuff became more apparent, then they were in.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 15 May 2014 22:30 (eleven years ago)
someone like Greenwood, however, is always going to be less idolized cuz his stylistic reference points are largely outside the canon of Hendrix/Page/Van Halen whatever
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 15 May 2014 22:31 (eleven years ago)
and anyway who cares what Guitar Player and their readers think, really
i have a Guitar Player-like Gods of Guitar book and Jonny Greenwood is in it along with tom verlaine and andy summers
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 May 2014 22:37 (eleven years ago)
kurt cobain is not
is rivers cuomo a guitar god?
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 May 2014 22:39 (eleven years ago)
god i fucking hope not
― djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 15 May 2014 22:42 (eleven years ago)
http://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mKK44eS2faDav6Q9ia6fZ1A.jpg
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 15 May 2014 22:43 (eleven years ago)
holding that guitar don't make you eddie
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 15 May 2014 23:33 (eleven years ago)
Really? Dude just sounds like Robin Trower to me.
― Slumdog Baseballionaire (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 15 May 2014 23:37 (eleven years ago)
i guess the "guitar hero" concept has taken a different direction since i last checked in, since kurt cobain is far, far from a "guitar hero" in the steve vai/jimmy page/eric clapton/etc. sense
― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 15 May 2014 23:43 (eleven years ago)
Marnie Stern is a guitar hero.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 15 May 2014 23:50 (eleven years ago)
adrian belew is a guitar hero
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 May 2014 23:57 (eleven years ago)
is there a thread for ppl that only readers of guitar magazines like? like a place where we can talk about joe satriani?
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 15 May 2014 23:59 (eleven years ago)
please make one! would love to talk some Silver Surfer!
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 16 May 2014 00:09 (eleven years ago)
is there a thread for ppl that only readers of guitar magazines like? like a place where we can talk about joe satriani?― call all destroyer, Thursday, May 15, 2014 6:59 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― call all destroyer, Thursday, May 15, 2014 6:59 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
http://stores.guitarcenter.com/
― display name changed. (amateurist), Friday, 16 May 2014 00:12 (eleven years ago)
be sure to pick up some of these on the way
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 16 May 2014 00:18 (eleven years ago)
thread for discussion of guitarists i have only heard of because i read guitar magazines in the late 90s
― call all destroyer, Friday, 16 May 2014 00:22 (eleven years ago)
hahahaha. fantastic title and premise.
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 16 May 2014 00:23 (eleven years ago)
Enjoy: http://noisey.vice.com/guitar-moves/dan-auerbach
― jaywbabcock, Saturday, 17 May 2014 19:22 (eleven years ago)
One of the weird things about these guys is that the guy who founded Earthquaker Devices used to be their tour manager, but they don't have any Earthquaker on their pedalboards.
Like, I respect Boss pedals. Plenty of people have made great music with them. But if you were connected to a guy who makes distinctive, acclaimed effects pedals, I don't see why you'd use a Boss Tremolo instead of an Earthquaker Hummingbird.
http://www.effectsbay.com/2012/04/rig-rundown-the-black-keys-dan-auerbach/
― how's life, Saturday, 17 May 2014 19:33 (eleven years ago)
maybe they hate that guy
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 17 May 2014 20:04 (eleven years ago)
Or vice versa
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 17 May 2014 20:19 (eleven years ago)
http://youtu.be/Ss9Znucx4GM
― jaywbabcock, Friday, 30 May 2014 02:40 (eleven years ago)
Anyone have a feeling on the new one out today?
I lived in Columbus, hung out with Michael Carney, Patrick's brother who also did much of their artwork, at Magnolia Thunderpussy when I worked there, and saw the Black Keys play Little Brothers way before they were playing arenas. So I feel a little differently about them compared to most. I obligatorily like the earlier stuff better(TM) but I don't get the hate many have for them but I am incredibly biased.
Anyway, the new record is fine to these ears.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 14 May 2021 21:12 (four years ago)
Because of they would...
https://www.stereogum.com/2284545/the-black-keys-announce-america-loves-crypto-concert/news/
As Brooklyn Vegan points out, the band announced on Instagram that next Friday, Oct. 25, they’ll play an America Loves Crypto event in their hometown of Akron at the Akron Civic Theatre. It appears to be an event geared around getting out the vote for cryptocurrency-friendly candidates? (UPDATE: I’m told the crypto movement is putting in work to unseat Democratic Senator Sherrod Brown, a crypto critic, so this event might actually help deliver the Senate to the Republicans?) According to the page where you can RSVP to attend, “There will be complimentary food and drink for attendees. Doors open at 5PM and this event is on a first come first serve basis.” Comments are turned off on the band’s Instagram post announcing this gig.
― Charlie Hair (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 18 October 2024 23:55 (one year ago)
Perennial bar music favorites the black keys
― calstars, Friday, 18 October 2024 23:59 (one year ago)
It looks like this is really backfiring on them, even their still-extant fanbase seems to be turning on them over this. The band's sub-reddit is filled with people RSVPing to claim a spot and then not show up.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 22 October 2024 19:48 (one year ago)
the other acts who are also "standing with crypto"
Black PumasChainsmokersJessie MurphBig SeanLauv070 Shake
― omar little, Tuesday, 22 October 2024 20:02 (one year ago)
their endorsed candidates are an absolute mercenary and unprincipled hodgepodge
https://www.standwithcrypto.org/races/
― omar little, Tuesday, 22 October 2024 20:04 (one year ago)
https://www.stereogum.com/2285565/the-black-keys-crypto-concert-was-even-sillier-than-expected/news/
― Charlie Hair (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 27 October 2024 23:36 (one year ago)
These guys are lame, but they address some recent aspects of their lameness here:
https://archive.ph/pUN0v
Their excuses simultaneously make a lot of sense while still underscoring the fact that they are lame and that had they not magnified their lameness like they had last year, they would have found several other ways to demonstrate just how lame they are.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 February 2025 22:47 (one year ago)
On first single “The Night Before” (written with Daniel Tashian, who co-wrote and co-produced Kacey Musgraves’ Golden Hour), the group leans into its upbeat pop-rock side. “It was very organically [done] in the studio together,” singer-guitarist Dan Auerbach tells Rolling Stone. “The three of us just came up with it together on the spot.”
currently the subject of a bidding war between Ford and Ram
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 6 February 2025 22:53 (one year ago)
Just three guys in a pickup truck
― Okay, heteros are cutting edge this year, too. (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 7 February 2025 00:29 (one year ago)
They should do a tour with no pickups.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 February 2025 00:30 (one year ago)