Rolling NYY - MIN 2004 ALDS thread

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SATAN'S OWN YANQUI EVOL EMPYRE vs The Midwestern Young Bucks ...

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Brad Radke has 2 starts against the Yankees this season, going 6 2/3rds innings with 2 ERs and 7 innnings with 1 ER. Leiber finished September 5-0. I suspect this will be an even tighter game than last night.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh God, I hope not. My nerve medication ran out last night and the pharmacist won't refill more than one perscription per week.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I can actually watch this game tonight and not feel I'm shirking my duties as a newly registered voter! Huzzah!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Vice-presidential debate, schmice-presidential debate.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Amen.

You know, I just realized how dopey I am when I asked re: the announcers for the Yanks / Twins game when IT WAS THE ONLY GAME FOX BROADCAST. I R Super Dave Osborne - watch me crash!

PS - LEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Is tonight Joe Morgan/John Miller? Can I look forward to a dozen repetitions of "fow-ell ball"?

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 18:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh lordy I do hope that Joe Morgan extols & grossly exaggerates the virtues of Luis Rivas & Christian Guzman.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not even going to be able to watch tonight's game, as I have to screen effing Taxi at that very time. Which is just as well. Last year's Game 2 was absolutely brutal and I don't wish to see anything that has the potential to replay it.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

"Last year's Game 2 was absolutely brutal and I don't wish to see anything that has the potential to replay it."

B-b-b-but you're screening Taxi!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

LOL. Yeah, that meltdown will likely hold far more astringent aftereffects.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Dave how come you're just "newly" registered? I thought you were way older than 18.

Back to McCarver, I'm pretty sure that he said verbatim "at this point in the game, a walk is as good as a homerun" and obv. it isn't. He didn't, to my recollection, throw in "with the tying run at the plate" clause (which even then is sorta weak imo).

Go Twins.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I moved a few years back, and was previously registered in my former town of residence - I just re-registered in my "new" locale, s'all. (Plz don't remind me of my age, Stence.)

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

"A walk is ESSENTIALLY ALMOST JUST AS GOOD as a home run, assuming that the next batter, who represents the tying run, doesn't GIDP; but a double would be even better than a walk, and much closer to being AS GOOD AS A HOME RUN"

Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)

whatever Dave you're younger than me! Sheesh.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

how about:

a walk IS AS GOOD AS a walk
a single IS AS GOOD AS a single
a double IS AS GOOD AS a double
a triple IS AS GOOD AS a triple
a homerun IS AS GOOD AS a homerun?

naw, that'd would be too simple, right?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

actually mccarver prefaced that with something like "to a closer's mentality at this point in the game.." fwiw.

i really don't get this pitch-tipping claim re santana. if a FB/change pitcher was tipping, he'd be meat (johan santana april-may edition), and the yankees certainly wouldn've have been frozen/flailing like they did on occasion. like i said, if he was just tipping sporadically i suppose it's possible, but i seriously doubt he was doing it the whole way thru (and if he was, then that game was REALLY pathetic). but as i see it right now he didn't pitch his best, the yankees have a good offense, and he got knocked around a bit.

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Says Gleeman:

"Another big play occurred with the game tied in the bottom of the first inning, as the Yankees had runners on first and second with one out. With Bernie Williams at the plate, FOX announcer Tim McCarver uttered what has to be the leader in the clubhouse for Dumbest Statement of the Postseason, saying, "Joe Torre can start the runners here because there's a contact pitcher on the mound."

Some of you may be aware of the fact that the pitcher on the mound was Santana and he led the American League with 265 strikeouts this season, striking out 30.1% of the batters he faced and getting nearly 10.5 strikeouts per nine innings pitched. Sure enough, when Torre sent the runners on a 3-2 pitch, Santana got Williams to strike out on a changeup and Blanco threw Rodriguez out at third by 10 feet. The inning was over and the first of what turned out to be many threats was averted."

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)


Why does Bernie Williams hit clean-up for the Yanq's instead of Matsui or even Posada?

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

wow, did mccarver actually say that?? i think my mind must've automatically translated it as "contact hitter at the plate".

xpost you know why - because he's OLD!!

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Twins on the board first! God, it's going to be tough to tear myself away from this game in twenty minutes!

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Ooh. Jeter's helping me get the urge to do so.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I missed Jeter's homer -- was it really as "Ruthian, Jacksonian, gargantuan, majestic, humungous, gigantic, etc." as Miller and Morgan made it out to be.

Usually Jon Miller doesn't gush so embarassingly.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I wouldn't know. I was already packing my backpack. And now, with the Twins looking in control of their offensive game for the first time in a while, I think I'll be off for the next few hours.

If I come back to find that the Yanqs have come back for a 10-3 win, I'll just puke.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 22:35 (twenty-one years ago)

The homer hit the black seats in center field, so HELL YEAH!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

WTF? Joe Morgan: "If you remove the HRs, the Yankees are only hitting .242 with RISP." SO?

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

So just imagine what they'd be hitting w/RISP if you removed the strikeouts! Clutch City, population Jeter.

mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 23:16 (twenty-one years ago)

A-Rod just homered: 4-3 NYY.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 23:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Jeter must be visiting the broadcast booth between innings to have a fellatio threesome with Joe and Jon. Because these accolades are really getting ridiculous.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)

SHAME ON YOU JON MILLER!

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 23:23 (twenty-one years ago)

David, there's your Guzman ass-licking from Joe M...

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

AWESOME! I missed it because I was on the phone talking to a friend about why Bush is (or in my case, is not) the way to go.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Remember, it's Gooz-MON. WTF is up with Jon Miller's painfully ethnically "correct" pronunciations of Latino names?

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 23:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, that IS the correct pronounciation, isn't it? We're just so used to hearing it said incorrectly.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

If Miller were broadcasting for a primarily Dominican audience, I could see the point of it, but most Americans pronounce it phonetically and I don't see why Miller makes such a production out of it.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Remember, it's Gooz-MON. WTF is up with Jon Miller's painfully ethnically "correct" pronunciations of Latino names?

Probably because he's a San Francisco resident and it's not that uncommon out here... ?

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Gygax is gellin' like Magellan!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

It doesn't matter who the audience is, proper pronounciation is proper pronounciation. Most Americans don't pronounce the names phonetically, they pronounce them incorrectly. Just because we non-Spanish speakers are used to it doen't make it any more correct.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Duane Kuiper (one of Miller's fellow SF broadcasters) also nails down Latin American, Japanese, and Korean names as accurately as possible.

For instance, the Padres have a (totally awesome) reliever named Akinori Otsuka from Japan. I imagine that the average US person would pronounce his last name "Ott Soo Ka". Kuiper says, "Oats Ka" which is a very Tokyo-accented way of saying it (Otsuka is from Chiba prefecture, not far from Tokyo). You might hear it pronounced "Oh Tsoo Ka" in the south, but I was impressed with Kuiper's accent. ^_^

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Hah, I was half-listening to Kuiper last week in a SF-Padres game and every time I heard him say "Osuna" I thought "he's just butchering that name." Sure 'nuff, I find out days later that Antonio Osuna is still alive and well and pitching mop-up relief for the Pads.

mattbot (mattbot), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:16 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, for future reference my name is pronounced Back-ed Bee-yan Tay-eth; it's Croatian. ;)

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

REMEMBER, I KNOW YOUR REAL NAME!!! ;-D


JOOST VISSER!!!

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Peach Cobbler wha?

C'mon Twinkies!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Peach Cobbler is soooo awesome... I just heard that the other day. They belong on my 1992 thread on TEH NOIZE BOARD. That was more like 95 or 96 though I think.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)

oooh, doze twinkies!

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

So why did Rivera pitch last night? The Twins have the benefit of having faced him less than 24 hours ago, and he's got five outs to get in this one. I don't get it.

mattbot (mattbot), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Remember, it's "Yost" Visser if you're keeping tabs. ;)

Peach Cobbler was '95. I just shipped a box o' 50 of these to R1ck Br0wn a few months ago; yes, believe it or not I still have some in stock!

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:33 (twenty-one years ago)

It's always nice to see Skeletor struggle.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Pitching him last night was a good move ... closer mismanagement is common in the postseason. That is, when managing at home, they save their closer in the late innings to protect the lead that never comes.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:35 (twenty-one years ago)

TWINKIES TWINKIES LITTLE STARS!

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't heard Peach Cobbler yet, but I'm sure anything Run-On related is most excellent, and would like to hear it one of these days (once I get off my izass).

Mattbot, Rivera pitched last night because Joe Torre didn't want to let a close game skate away in the hands of anyone else in the bullpen (rightfully so), so he went for the play that gave them the best chance to win. Translation: MIR is OTM.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:36 (twenty-one years ago)

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I see the logic in bringing Rivera into the game last night if the Twins are threatening to score more runs late. But bringing him in to start the 9th, that seems more like a reliance on custom than any particular strategy by Torre.

And he just coughed up the lead.

SUPER 3X XPOST!!!

mattbot (mattbot), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:39 (twenty-one years ago)

TIE GAME.
When was the last time Rivera gave up a run in the DS? To Sandy Alomar? (he hasn't given up one yet ... but when was his last BS in the DS? Jesus.)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I re-thought it, you're probably right. I didn't take the off-day into account, so a manager probably should expect his best reliever to pitch two days in a row, esp. in a 5-game playoff series.

Still, performances like tonight's will give second guessers from Mattbot to Kruk plenty to work with.

mattbot (mattbot), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:45 (twenty-one years ago)

i didn't see the ground rule double, but that's got to hurt... was it fan interference or did it just get a big bounce?

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Note to Twinkie coaches: TEACH YOUR HITTERS TO TAKE A F***ING PITCH

Double = big bounce that, of course, killed the Twin rally.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

if the Twins are threatening to score more runs late
Why wait until the Twins are threatening? Bringing him in to start the 9th is actually going against the typical custom. Most managers mess up by saving their closer until "the game is on the line", i.e. to protect a narrow lead (which won't ever happen past the 8th inning in your home park), or when the other team is threatening. But, when it's the 9th inning and you're down by 2, the game IS on the line -- why wait until it's MORE on the line by giving the ball to anything less than your best pitcher?
(xpost -- gygax, it was a big bounce, mattbot -- I'm not sure how much the day-off figures into it, Rivera typically pitches in most of the Yankees' playoff games. Plus, regarding last night, the worst case scenario (in which the Yanks don't come back) still meant that Rivera would pitch only one inning, and as we've heard a zillion times, most of his post-season saves are 1+ inning jobs)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:49 (twenty-one years ago)

They just showed the graphic -- it's his 3rd blown save in 62 appearances (not sure how many were save situations). The other two would be 2001 WS Game 7, and Game 4 1997 ALDS to Cleveland.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:52 (twenty-one years ago)

That big bounce cost the Twins the lead. Aww, too bad.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)

So the Twins had better win tonight, because he's not due for another one until 2007 at the earliest.
(xpost to me)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)

The Yanks came back from a 2-0 deficit against the A's in the 2001 DS, and they also lost the first 2 games at home. Interesting.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:56 (twenty-one years ago)

WHERE DID THE GAME GO?!?

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Phew. Sorry, I freaked when I heard fatass jerko Berman's annoying Jim Belushi yodel; this game was moved to another ESPN channel.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Mike Lupica sighting!

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 7 October 2004 01:03 (twenty-one years ago)

The worst ten words any Yankee fan could possibly hear : "For the 10th inning, Joe Torre has Tanyon Sturze ready".

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 7 October 2004 01:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Did I see Esteban Loaiza warming as well?

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 7 October 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesus. FIrst Taxi turns out to be not that bad, and now I gotta come home to this?! I can't watch.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 7 October 2004 01:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Ay, the agony, the thrill. This is spectacular!

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 7 October 2004 01:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Taxi the...TV show? Huh?

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 7 October 2004 01:52 (twenty-one years ago)

The movie. With Queen Latifah. And that giggly what's'isface from SNL.

alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Thursday, 7 October 2004 01:54 (twenty-one years ago)

(PS: FEAR TEH NAHTAN)

alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Thursday, 7 October 2004 01:55 (twenty-one years ago)

No. Upthread I mentioned having to screen the Latifah-Fallon Silver Streak knockoff Taxi. Which amazingly didn't suck. Though it came close nearly every scene. Sort of like last night's game.

(2x x-post)

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 7 October 2004 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Stewart-Jones-Hunter. Let it be so.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 7 October 2004 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Queen Latifah & Jimmy Fallon actually sounds worse than Steve Martin and Queen Latifah, which means BIG BUCK$$$.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 7 October 2004 01:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Damn, Torii!

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I get out of my seat for a minute, and I miss the go-ahead home run. Urgggh.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:09 (twenty-one years ago)

it was majestic

bnw (bnw), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I dunno. Is Nathan really up for another one?

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Ruthian, even. One could say JACKSONIAN.
(xpost -- yeah, sending out Nathan again is dicey, even if it is the bottom of the order)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:12 (twenty-one years ago)

If Nathan blows this one, there won't be enough room for all the Monday morning QBs bitching and moaning...

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, Nathan in for one more. Here comes the neck-stomping imagery...

mattbot (mattbot), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:14 (twenty-one years ago)

OH MY GOD I AM LOSING IT

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:15 (twenty-one years ago)

THROW STRIKES YOU POXY BASTARD

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:16 (twenty-one years ago)

OH I HATE YOU

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:16 (twenty-one years ago)

DOUBLE PLAY FUCKER OR I STOMP YOU

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I AM GOING TO EAT YOUR CHILDREN

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Finally, Romero warming.

(Jeter will GIDP, though.)

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:19 (twenty-one years ago)

If Nathan blows this one, there won't be enough room for all the Monday morning QBs bitching and moaning...

OTM. I could've seen this coming a mile away. Still, one of those double plays from last night could come in handy.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Welcome to ILB, Dan.
Now please go away, because Nathan hasn't thrown a strike since you got here.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait, now it's Crain warming, who I've never heard of.

A-Rod up with 2 men on, 1 out...shpilke-time in Minny.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:20 (twenty-one years ago)

ARGH! I HATE BASEBALL!!!

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:20 (twenty-one years ago)

AT THE VERY LEAST HIT JETER IN THE KNEECAP IF YOU'RE GOING TO PITCH LIKE THAT.... OH YOU GIGANTIC SUPPURATING PULSATING GOO-FILLED ASSHOLE

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:20 (twenty-one years ago)

What the HELL is Gardenhire smoking in this game?

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:21 (twenty-one years ago)

FINALLY!

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Ground rule? Oh, shee-it!!!

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:22 (twenty-one years ago)

OH YOU FUCKFACE DIPSHIT CROTCH-SMELLING DONKEY-WHORE

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm done.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

WHAT THE HELL IS GARDENHIRE THINKING?

Dan, you're a jinx - get off the thread, sexy.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

A-Rod "playing team baseball" with the ground-rule double.

mattbot (mattbot), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

We got ourselves a game, boys!

(Cue banjo-chase music)

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I BEAT YOU WITH GIGANTIC STICKS BLESSED BY THE HEAVENS GIMP-ARM PITCHER MAN NAMED NATHAN

(okay, I'm turning this off now before I blow a blood vessel)

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Ron Gardenhire, I'd like to introduce you to my good friend Jimy Williams...

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha this game is making me wish I had ESPN.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Yankees are vampires. Game over.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:27 (twenty-one years ago)

ping!

John (jdahlem), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Did Jones roll that ball in from RF?!

mattbot (mattbot), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:27 (twenty-one years ago)

THEY CUT OFF THE THROW??????????????
DO THEY NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THE OUTFIELD PLAYS IN??????

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:27 (twenty-one years ago)

They wanted to prevent the guy from advancing from first?

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:28 (twenty-one years ago)

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Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:29 (twenty-one years ago)

the throw looked off line to me, and there's a reason jones played left before stewart's arrival

John (jdahlem), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:30 (twenty-one years ago)

god bless you, dan perry

John (jdahlem), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I have to work with the world's smuggest Yankee fan, and MY FUCKING FIRST NAME IS "NATHAN," I MEAN GODDAMNIT. I even put the "NATHAN IS AN ALL-STAR" Pioneer Press headline up in my cube and SOMEONE PUNCH JETER IN THE ANUS PLEASE

alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:31 (twenty-one years ago)

God god god - the pinch running thing w/ Morneau was questionable (since it would make sense to have the speed threat on base during THE ENTIRE AB, even if you're PRing for possibly your best hitter), but it worked out for him. Leaving Radke in to allow that 5th run was hella stupid, but explainable in a dipshitty "staying w/ your guy" way. But to have your closer go through a line up like the Yankees' a 2nd time, and to have him fare as poorly as he did, and TO NOT PULL HIM AS SOON AS HE STARTS TO FALTER - to not even have a pitcher ready to jump in just in the NOT SO SLIGHT CHANCE he falters - is so unbelievably inexplicable, it makes me question if Gardenhire knows how to wipe his own ass.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Muthatrucka... it would've been seriously better if the Yanqs just whipped them while I was at the movie and I could've come home, regrouped, got over it, and shrugged it off. Now I gotta sit and watch Joe Nathan use up his extra tanks so that he won't have a) the energy or b) the confidence to do his thing on Friday. Fuck this shit.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan, you do know this is your fault, right? I HOPE YOU LIKE PAIN PERRY.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I am not rooting for the Twins this series, but I have to admit, I felt really bad watching Joe Nathan's reaction in the dugout to the Yankees winning.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:32 (twenty-one years ago)

David R. OTM.

Set 'em up, rack 'em up. Step forward and witness history repeating itself. This is what it feels like when momentum doesn't just shift, but arrives at your door, settles in on your couch and masturbates.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:33 (twenty-one years ago)

If the throw is off-line, then the game is over. So just let the throw go.
If the throw is cut-off, then the game is over. So don't cut it off. Simple.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I can only hope the "nobody escapes the Metrodome alive" postseason mystique comes back around 'cause if it's Yankees-Red Sox ALCS then oh my fucking god the trauma

(if it is Twins-Red Sox ALCS then oh my fucking god the split loyalties)

(if it is Yankees-Angels then it's T-Wolves postseason watch)

Good analogy, Eric, since the Yankees ARE FUCKING JERKOFFS

alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes. Yes they are.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Ron Gardenhire, I'd like to introduce you to my good friend Jimy Williams...

Guess my joke would have been funnier if I put the right Red Sox manager's name in it. Sub "Grady Little" and chuckle away...

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:37 (twenty-one years ago)

This isn't Nathan's fault - a manager asks a hard-throwing short reliever to cycle through a lineup a 2nd time after 40+ pitches, and the pitcher fails, you blame the asshat of a manager that put the pitcher in that untenable situation.

Am I being redundant, or am I really hoping that my words somehow sink into Gardenhire's thick impenetrable skull?

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:37 (twenty-one years ago)

BBT, either of those boy geniuses would be worthy dope fiends to stick in that sentence, despite Grady's higher profile of fuckupitude.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:37 (twenty-one years ago)

TO NOT PULL HIM AS SOON AS HE STARTS TO FALTER
This is something of a catch-22 ... if you (the manager) are THAT worried about Nathan getting in trouble, then MAYBE HE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN PITCHING IN THE 12TH AT ALL. (which is exactly what we were all saying on this thread)

(xposts)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, yeah, there's that, too. But, regardless, if you ARE going into inning 3 w/ your closer, then at least start someone throwing before the inning begins, not when the tying run reaches 2nd base.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:39 (twenty-one years ago)

When your margin of error is 1 run, you really ought to have someone warming to start the inning. Nathan beat himself in the end, though.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I am going to wake up in the morning and laugh and say "we will look back on this as the only game the Yankees managed to win in this series and it had to be in extra innings and then the Twins took two in a row in Minneapolis and Mariano blew another two saves and Kevin Brown punched something immobile and broke his hand again because he's a dumbshit and Rudy Giuliani went into hiding and Matsui's all "trade me to the Mariners now, bitch" and Gary Sheffield gets caught using his Mystery Steroid Balm and fucking hell I really need to vent in the worst way here people

alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:41 (twenty-one years ago)

"If the throw is off-line, then the game is over. So just let the throw go.
If the throw is cut-off, then the game is over. So don't cut it off. Simple."

i disagree, as there is at least a chance for a play at the plate, provided the ball actually gets to the plate.

John (jdahlem), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:41 (twenty-one years ago)

We might need another thread for this series at this rate.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Another beautiful game, you gotta admit. Have the Twins EVER been in a postseason series that wasn't thrilling?

briania (briania), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:46 (twenty-one years ago)

But with Jeter running, there's no time to cut off the throw. If the throw is bad, then there's no shot at getting the runner, and the game is over.

I guess it doesn't really matter -- Jones made a shit throw, there was nothing on it (granted, he didn't have time to come in on the ball and had to throw it flatfooted) and even if it had been on-line, I doubt it would have made it to the plate in time.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Babe Ruth can eat the corn out of my shit

(No, still not over it)

alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Another beautiful game, you gotta admit. Have the Twins EVER been in a postseason series that wasn't thrilling?

Last year didn't thrill me in the slightest.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:54 (twenty-one years ago)

'87 was kind of "oh wow that's novel". Not a '91-level nailbiter though.

'65? Meh.

alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm too young to remember divisionals in '91 and '87. Were they thrilling?

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I am really dreading Yankee Fan Dork at work tmw. Seriously, apropos of NOTHING last week, he came to a co-worker who was leaving to work at another, smaller company and just said "C'mon, it's better here! I mean, that's like trading the YANKEES for the RED SOX." Ugh ugh help

The '87/'91 divisionals were decent at best. I don't remember them too well, except that I think Joe Carter did something goofy/stupid in '91.

alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesus Christ, 100 NEW POSTS??

Anyway, what a f'd up game. I just got back from watching it at a bar; what the fuck happened with that Minnesota 8th? Why did Gardenhire pinch-run WHEN THE COUNT WAS FULL? And why did he let Jason Kubel of all people -- he of the 60 MLB at-bats, 0-3 on the night -- go up against Rivera in that situation?? You just needed someone, ANYONE, to make some hard contact. I mean, when he went 0-2 before you could blink, you just KNEW he was going to K. And sure enough, that 3rd strike he swung at was as fugly as it gets.

Seriously THAT was the game right there. Where was Ford? Is this a pinch-hit for the DH thing? That just means you have to change pitchers, which they did anyway, right?

Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:58 (twenty-one years ago)

The LCS in 87 and 91 were nothing special (Twins in five both times). The World Series were great both times.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:00 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost to Eric)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:00 (twenty-one years ago)

'87 Divisionals = Twins make quick work of my beloved Tigres. John Smoltz for Doyle Alexander goes for naught.

Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:01 (twenty-one years ago)

No but seriously, in that 8th, were Jon and Joe ripping on Gardenhire or what? They didn't have the sound on, but from the moment Rivas came in to run through the last two at-bats, they kept cutting to a dugout shot, and for once I actually wished I could hear what they were flapping their gums about.

Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm too young to remember the '65 series, but heard plenty about it from Twins fans when I was a kid, and I'm sure it was anything but meh. Twins led 2-0, then went on to lose in seven while getting shut out twice by Koufax. Got a friend holding a serious Dodger grudge to this day.

briania (briania), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Back to the game, though: funny how Torre never went to the bench once.

briania (briania), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:13 (twenty-one years ago)

in that 8th, were Jon and Joe ripping on Gardenhire or what
They were harping on the wisdom of bringing in the pinch-runner at that moment, since it telegraphed the intention to send the runner.
But after that, they couldn't stop talking about how the ground-rule double cost the Twins a run.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:17 (twenty-one years ago)

as much as the Twins blew it, Twins fans shouldn't despair. The series is now tied at 1, going back to the dome, and the Yanks had to overcome a lot to win tonight.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Pitching him last night was a good move ... closer mismanagement is common in the postseason.
-- MindInRewind (brune...), October 7th, 2004 8:35 PM.

Hmmm... OTM!

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Feeble Yankee-fan mockery comeback attempt: "Yeah, well Nathan had to pitch three innings to fuck up; Rivera just needed one"

alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Amateur hour.

LaTroy & Chacon Dance Party (mattbot), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:54 (twenty-one years ago)

(i know you're half-joking but) rivera looked great, he just got burned by another blooper and made a really dumb decision when he went away from his livelihood against koskie.

John (jdahlem), Thursday, 7 October 2004 11:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Jon & Joe told the story at least twice of checking in on Gardenhire before the game & discovering him downloading songs on his laptop. Apparently he took a liking to Ruben Sierra's at-bat music - something called "The Way You Move" by this group called "Outkast."

What ELSE is on Gardy's ipod?

briania (briania), Thursday, 7 October 2004 11:59 (twenty-one years ago)

h 2 the stencil otm. Didn't Kevin Brown get nuked in his one start before the playoffs?

bnw (bnw), Thursday, 7 October 2004 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

The Red Sox carpet bombed him, but I think he had another start where he fared better prior to the postseason.

A quick check proves me right - 5 IP against Toronto, 1 H, 2 BB, 2 K, 1 R (0 earned). Still, he's not KEVIN BROWN, and in 7 of Silva's last 8 starts (against the likes of Cleveland, Texas, Anaheim, and some weaker competition), he's allowed 2 runs or less. However:

August 19 v. NYY - 5.0 IP | 9 H | 7 R (all earned) | 1 BB | 4 Ks (Twins lost 13-10)

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 October 2004 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Gardenhire said postgame that Nathan was still throwing 94-95 in the 11th (?) as a defense. Speed is Everything, drives me crazy. After the second walk, he can't stay in (I pull him after the first, and yelled so at the time).

What is it with managers -- like G.L. last year -- who fully expect a primo performer to do something in October HE HASN'T DONE ALL YEAR, EVEN ONCE? Pedro didn't perform well in 2003 after Pitch 115 (or whatev the # was), and I'm guessing Nathan didn't throw 53 pitches all year, right?? The wrong kind of machismo still leads to losing baseball.

Joe Morgan bottomed out last night. WTF he was trying to say about home runs and offense, I can't tell you and neither can he.

I took my Old Man Nap between the 6th and 11th (at least I was fresh to view the whole Red Sox game, and the underwhelming features on the From Here to Eternity DVD), so I missed all the pinch-run and Mo-blow machinations; I'll hafta read Gleeman later.

I was gonna ask if Blanco's light bat was the best Mauer-injury option the Twins had, but I see 41-year-old Pat Borders got in the game. Judas Priest!

150 posts, you kids are gonna go blind....

>I have to screen effing Taxi at that very time<

Who has a bigger career in front of him, Jimmy Fallon or Art Howe?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 October 2004 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Gisele.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 October 2004 12:56 (twenty-one years ago)

"If you remove all of the extra base hits the Yankees got w/ RISP, then their RISP performance REALLY goes down, and you can clearly see that they're reliant on their power to produce runs. But homeruns are OK, because if you're down two runs, and you put a guy on, a homerun can tie the game. However, if you're down 3 or 4, a 2-run homer doesn't do anything. So homeruns are good, but you shouldn't hit them so much."

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 October 2004 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

More Morgan flip-floppery: with Rivera coming in, it's all "best postseason closer of all time, yatta-yatta-yatta," and then, as soon as he blows the lead: "That's the difference between this Yankees team and the ones in the past -- it used to be, if they got to the eighth with the lead, they knew it was all over. It's not that way any more."

briania (briania), Thursday, 7 October 2004 13:12 (twenty-one years ago)

The New York Times sports writers should really not steal their talking points from baseball announcers: last night, Jon Miller made note that the Yankees' traditional Game 2 starter in playoff series, Andy Pettite, wasn't a Yankee anymore, and inferred that this wasn't a good thing. And, of course, some genius at NYT decides to run w/ that as the thrust of a column today, talking about the paucity of quality Yankee starters this year. What both these guys failed to realize is that, hey, you know what? Pettite wouldn't have started Game 2 last night? You know why? BECAUSE HE'S INJURED! Pettite isn't pitching for his current team right now either. You know why? BECAUSE HE'S INJURED!

You know what? Maybe not overpaying for a fan-favorite injury-prone pitcher that's on the decline & benefitted from a healthy amount of run support should be LAUDED as a good financially prudent decision and a good baseball decision instead of being DERIDED because the otherwise sound moves made by the Yankees (acquiring Vazquez & Leiber & Bad Bad Kevin Brown) backfired and, oh no, we are tied with the Twins and we cannot be bothered to blame the current product on the field for failing to live up to the long & storied tradition of Yankee excellence where have you gone Joe Girardi?

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 October 2004 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Pettitte is likely the most overrated pitcher of the last 10 years, especially by Yankee fans. I thought their non-signing of him was clearly correct at the time. His postseason performance was generally on a par with his regular-season work, fine and helpful but not Koufaxy.

And A-Rod didn't "come up clutch" last night, he had a fairly usual starring night for himself.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 October 2004 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)

The Koufaxian moment that cemented Pettitte's rep was the 1-0 win at Atlanta in 96. After, IIRC, he'd been shelled at the Stadium in game two.

briania (briania), Thursday, 7 October 2004 13:59 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah it bugs me that A-Rod gets all the credit when it was Matsui's bat that won the game.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

A-Rod went 4-6 and tied the game including a double and a HR, he looked about as good as it gets. He may not have won the game but he kept them in it and with tying the game with 2 outs left is about all you can ask from him.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

oh I'm not saying he didn't have a good game, it's just y'know mlb.com I think maybe Matsui's pic should be on your page since his hit won it, that's all.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

perhaps they rate the game-tying ground rule double higher than a sac fly linedrive directly to an outfielder who has no arm.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I think maybe Matsui's pic should be on your page since his hit won it, that's all.

also, pardon the pedantry but it was technically not a hit. Jeter could very well be equally praised on his baserunning because he had to beat the throw after tagging on the lineout.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

They should show that Twin who was swinging at pitches over his head in the 8th with the go ahead run on 3rd. He really won it for Yanks.

bnw (bnw), Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

perhaps! ah whatever it doesn't matter.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll actually go along with that -- it WAS Jeter's aggressiveness that won the game, not the line drive; they shoulda had a picture of him.

Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Does Jacque Jones really have no arm? I watched the replay wondering why he had absolutely nothing on the ball. It was slow, arcing and way off mark. LeCroy made a great play to get it into Blanco to make it look even remotely close.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I was really surprised Jeter ran, but perhaps he knew about the huge puss arm in RF.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I couldn't figure it out at all. It was almost like he was throwing directly to first on purpose, to get a double play??

Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

That makes no sense; if Jeter crosses the plate, the game's over. I think Jones might have spaced a bit and was taken by surprise by the scorched liner that Matsui hit.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

They should show that Twin who was swinging at pitches over his head in the 8th with the go ahead run on 3rd. He really won it for Yanks.

Ugh, Kubel! He's like 22 or 23.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, I mean, so is Morneau but at least Morneau can take a pitch.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Rest assured Matsui is getting his due in the Japanese media outlets today.

Hell, Luis Sojo sent Jeter, maybe HIS gruesome mug should be on mlb.com. If he had any call in the play, it would make him about 1-for-3 for the series -- wrong to send slow Posada against shallow Hunter in game one, wrong to hold up Matsui on a long throw from Stewart in game two.

briania (briania), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Kubel & Guzman going down on SIX PITCHES after Koskie tied the game = stick your "agressive swinging" approach up your wang. I'm also not found of starting Henry "Appropriate Last Name" Blanco in place of Matthew "I Hit Like I Look" LeCroy - the Twins offense ain't so hot that they can afford to give ABs to a ground-out machine like Blanco. (And WHY WON'T PAT BORDERS DIE?) (or, at least, retire or something?)

Jones' isn't Vlad in right, but he was at a loss w/ that ball. It seemed that it was hit too hard for him to get enough of a running jump for him to make a quality attempt on reaching home plate all by his lonesome. He essentially threw flat footed, and I imagine he tried to deliberately hit the cutoff man hoping that they'd have a better shot nailing the runner that way than w/ a momentumless JJ throwing a wobbly jart to home.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Could you imagine the twinkies with Joe Mauer healthy behind the plate?

(supposedly his career as a catcher is over)

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Blanco bunted around an eventual run in game one, and SF'd an RBI in two.

briania (briania), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, phooey you and your "productive outs". Personally, I'd rather have the better hitter than the better out-maker, though there is undoubtedly something to be said for pitcher / catcher relations. (And god god GOD seeing the bunt whipped out like a wallet at the concessions stand makes me eat my own lip.)

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Luis Sojo sent Jeter, maybe HIS gruesome mug should be on mlb.com

Jeter says that he made the decision to go on his own.

"I was going no matter what," Jeter said. "I just told Sojo, 'I'm going to go on anything.' Sometimes you've got to force the guys to make plays." - NY Times

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, thank goodness. We can take the Sojo mug down and restore his send/hold percentage back to .000.

briania (briania), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

More offensive is treatments like this one from Yahoo! Sports:

Does N.Y. escape foretell of a Boston rematch?

Just when you think the Yankees are down and out, they are the most dangerous. Two outs from a 2-0 deficit in its best-of-five series with the Twins, New York suddenly struck. So, the Yankees are very much alive; could this mean a rematch with the Red Sox, who won again Wednesday, is in the cards?

I mean granted this is playing out eerily reminscent of last year, but the Twins pitching is improved and the Yanquis has worsened... But this whole media treatment: "The Yankees narrowly avoiding getting swept at home and are now going to one of the most noisiest home-'turf's in the league... Are they ready for Boston in the next round!"

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 7 October 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Carlos Silva, a nation turns its lonely eyes to you (woo woo woo).

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 October 2004 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I honestly do think the Yankees will win the series now. Last night was Minny's chance and they blew it.

Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Thursday, 7 October 2004 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Even without Giambi, the Yanks hitting is better than last year with the additions of A-Rod and Sheffield. Matsui has been very good in the playoffs both of his seasons, he is an impressive hitter.

The writer may be getting ahead of himself, but there has been talk about Boston and NY facing off in the playoffs again since Boone drove the dagger home last year.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Thursday, 7 October 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Can I also say that this nonsense about Boston's slow start this season (which wasn't a slow start) coming as a result from the team still coping with that devestating ALCS defeat at the hands of their mortal enemies is alsdkfjaliejfiaosdkf?

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 October 2004 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Boston started 15-6, yes?

Sheehan on BP squarely says Jesse Crain should've relieved Nathan, and that Gardenhire has no problem playing young non-pitchers (Morneau, Kubel) ... ie, he's another slave of the Save Rule.

I like Jon Miller's meticulous pronunciations.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 October 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, Morb, there's THAT to consider, too! Boston started off great (& whooped up on the Yankees, incidentally), then went into a malaise for two months, and then swung back into high gear during a stretch where the competition became JUST A BIT easier to contend with (which, incidentally, coincided with all of their trade deadline moves). But, yeah, neither Pedro nor the Red Sox suffered any more of a hangover from Game 7 as anyone else that didn't drink themselves into a coma following that "thing".

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 October 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I honestly do think the Yankees will win the series now. Last night was Minny's chance and they blew it.

Who looked worse: Mariano Rivera or Joe Nathan?

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 7 October 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Nathan, hands down. Didn't he have 9 consecutive balls in the 12th, counting a bad strike that someone swung at?

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 7 October 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Rivera was fine. He didn't lose the game. He was asked to get five outs after pitching an inning the previous day, and he did his job, and the Yankees won the game.

Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Thursday, 7 October 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, who has looked worse series to date.

Rivera has given up three hits in 2 1/3 innings.
Nathan has only given up one hit in 3 1/3 innings.

Taking out pitches 33-53 of Nathan's performance (in which he walked 3 straight batters--one intentionally--after striking out C3P0lerud), all questionable management, I'd give the edge to Nathan. Unfortunately it's hard to forgive the management decision but I'll take Nathan even despite that.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 7 October 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

(go twins, for the love of god (and my sanity), GO TWINS GO GO GO)

maura (maura), Thursday, 7 October 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Taking out pitches 33-53 of Nathan's performance
You can't arbitrarily slice away the underwhelming parts of his performance ... you might as well ignore the first couple of batter that Rivera faced in the eighth last night as well.
Last night, the first hit off Rivera was a fluke. The second was on a bit of a misplaced pitch, and it was fair by only a few feet.
Nathan's unravelling was all his own doing, since he couldn't find the plate at all. But Gardenhire is the one to blame, since he put his closer in a situation where he had to extend himself.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 7 October 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I love how rooting against the Yankess brings 99% of baseball fans together.

bnw (bnw), Thursday, 7 October 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Rolling NYY - MIN 2004 ALDS thread (193 new answers)
Rolling ATL - HOU 2004 NLDS thread (37 new answers)
Rolling BOS - ANA 2004 ALDS thread (32 new answers)
Rolling STL - LA 2004 NLDS thread (6 new answers)

Haha. And I know it's not because there are two dozen Yankees fans all up in this bitch.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 7 October 2004 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Timely x-post

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 7 October 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Game 1 of NYY/MIN was the only suspenseful game of the postseason thus far.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 7 October 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Game 2 of NYY/MIN was... what, exactly?

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 7 October 2004 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)

A kidney stone.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 October 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, I meant Game 2. Game 1 was also pretty good, from what I read.

Damn playoffs.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 7 October 2004 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Game 1 was pretty suspenseful, imo. Sweating out how many innings with a 1-0 lead and just waiting for the Yanqs to unleash hell. For my money, it was more suspenseful than the second game (what I watched, I mean, which was a game and a half in itself).

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 7 October 2004 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, and adding to all that, the palpable feeling that Santana was on the cusp of completely fraying out every single inning. That, too, was really excruciating.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 7 October 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I honestly do think the Yankees will win the series now. Last night was Minny's chance and they blew it.

This is just silly. The Yankees had to work really fucking hard to win (and yes the Twins had to be really dumb to lose, but still) AT HOME last night.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 7 October 2004 23:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't want to jinx anyone, but common sense would indicate that Santana will be playing Game 4 and the Twins can count on having that one in the bag, especially what with Santana having gotten all of "that" out of his system in Game 1. Which makes tomorrow's game the big question mark in the series. A really big question mark.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 7 October 2004 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Tonight's likely 2b per Gardy:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6485


I don't much care that he's a lifetime .219 batter ... an .886 OPS in 30 games this year? Where the hell's he been, giving Rivas Band-Aids?

There was a SportsCenter promo late in the Braves' game that asked "Jeter: best ever?" Please tell me the story asked if he was the best bi-racial shortstop ever. (Given the NY Times story today with "Jeter" and "Magic" in the headline, I s'pose not.)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 October 2004 13:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Arguably, the best shortstop ever does play for the Yankees. But it's not Jeter.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 8 October 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG OZZIE'S BACK

alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Friday, 8 October 2004 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

go crazy, nate

bnw (bnw), Friday, 8 October 2004 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

HOLY COW!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 8 October 2004 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't believe what I've just read.

Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Friday, 8 October 2004 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.teletrade.com/lotimgs/cards/13/22/s13221003.jpg

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 8 October 2004 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Arguably !!!! It's certainly an arguable point.
Of course, he's not a SS anymore, so I guess it doesn't matter.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 8 October 2004 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

weel he did put up almost as good numbers as melvin mora this year.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 8 October 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Well... let's just see how this all plays out.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 8 October 2004 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Damn ... still 3-1. I'm going out to watch the rest of the game ... how many new posts will be here when I get back? 50? 150? How many times will Dan write the word "FUCK" tonight?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 8 October 2004 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

prolly not too many; it's friday night and the extroverts are all outside DOING THINGS (terribly hard on one's health; don't try it) whilst the introverts cozy up and watch the debate or some panzy shit like that

meanwhile i'll be turning this off the second it gets tight because i just don't have the stomach for these things anymore

John (jdahlem), Friday, 8 October 2004 23:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not really positive I'm going to watch this much longer. This is reminding me a tad too much of last year at the moment. I dunno, something about the score stalling out ominously. At least the Yanqs' ABs have seemed by and large a lot shorter than the Twins', but I'm not happy at the moment.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 9 October 2004 00:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, I think the moment they showed Loshe warming up in the bullpen at the top of the 2nd, I was inching awfully close to just giving in to the presidential debates.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 9 October 2004 00:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Ouch. It really is a replay of last season and I am officially switching to the debates.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 9 October 2004 00:55 (twenty-one years ago)

This is an endless nightmare of shit

alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Saturday, 9 October 2004 01:19 (twenty-one years ago)

looks like the doom sayers were right. now we'll get to hear all about bosox vs yanks being destined to happen a million times over.

bnw (bnw), Saturday, 9 October 2004 01:21 (twenty-one years ago)

If the Yankees beat Boston in the ALCS I am going to give up on baseball completely.

alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Saturday, 9 October 2004 01:24 (twenty-one years ago)

why

John (jdahlem), Saturday, 9 October 2004 01:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, what happened?

By the way, John Kerry was MASTERFUL tonight in the debate if you missed it. Bush was better than he was last week, but by the end of tonight's debate, I could have spouted off his talking points.

Anyway, time to check the line score and find out what went wrong for Minny.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Saturday, 9 October 2004 01:45 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG TORRE PUT IN HEREDIA WITH 2 OUTS IN THE 9TH HE MICROMANAGES HIS BULLPEN AND GETS FOX KICKBACKS.

hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 9 October 2004 02:26 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, sorry, for a minute there I thought I was everybody on the St. Louis thread. My apologies.

hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 9 October 2004 02:32 (twenty-one years ago)

(beer spray)

William Crump (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 9 October 2004 02:55 (twenty-one years ago)

That game sure did take me out of this series. I expect a win tomorrow, but I will not be at all surprised to pay witness to a nightmarish Sunday.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 9 October 2004 05:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I did assume that things would be slow on a Friday, but hey, the Presidential debate thread got 700 posts!

After seeing Boston tonight, a small part of me doesn't mind if the Yankees win, since Boston looks so incredibly strong.

It's amazing that Torre has so little faith in his bullpen that he would bring Rivera into the game with a six run lead -- obviously he didn't want to give the MIN hitters one extra iota of confidence, or chip away at the confidence of his own guys.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 9 October 2004 06:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I'm officially on the Yankees side right now. I don't want the damn Red Sox to steamroll into the World Series. Screw that. I want a competitive ALCS.

Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Saturday, 9 October 2004 06:26 (twenty-one years ago)

i guess that would've been funny if you hadn't...miscounted? the real crime of course was leaving him in, but that destroys any parallel b/w the two since the absurdity of la russa's move was that kline would only face the one final batter, which wouldn't "sharpen" him or tell the manager any more about his health that throwing a few pitches in a bullpen session would.

i wouldn't be so quick in assuming the yanks would play the sox any tighter than the twins would. ok, so logic is on your side, but i'm not optimistic.

John (jdahlem), Saturday, 9 October 2004 11:33 (twenty-one years ago)

whoa, i normally don't bother w/ proofreading or correcting grammar/spelling mistakes but i'll grant you i could've used "would" a bit less there. i'm sure there are more than a couple jokes concerning erections and last night's presidential debate i could've used to get this point across but ah well.


but seriously folks should santana be starting tonight's game?

John (jdahlem), Saturday, 9 October 2004 11:59 (twenty-one years ago)

but seriously folks should santana be starting tonight's game?

Yes, it's a "must-win" situation for the Twins and he's their best pitcher.

gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 9 October 2004 12:03 (twenty-one years ago)

i think you're right, but game 5 will also be a "must-win", and there's not much reason to give one precedence over the other. i think the question is

"is a matchup of santana on 3 days rest vs. vazquez, followed by a matchup of radke vs. mussina, better for us than a matchup of lohse vs. vazquez, followed by full-strength santana vs. mussina?"

and i'd say it is, because wow lohse has really sucked this year.

how's santana historically on 3 days rest? i think last year he got injured after 4 innings or thereabouts, and that might've been his only short-rest start.

John (jdahlem), Saturday, 9 October 2004 12:15 (twenty-one years ago)

from hardball times re: the ALCS

"No matter who advances, they will be playing the Red Sox in the ALCS starting Tuesday. By sweeping the Twins, the Red Sox can set their rotation up just as they want it, throwing Curt Schilling and Pedro Martinez out on the road right away. This outcome hurts Minnesota more than it does the Yankees, as the Twins have a much more front-heavy rotation than New York. With Minnesota having to go five to win, Johan Santana can't pitch until Game Two at the very earliest, and Brad Radke can't pitch until Game Three, forcing the Twins to pitch Carlos Silva in the opener, and -- gulp -- Kyle "5.34 ERA" Lohse in Game Four.

If the Yankees prevail in five, they can start Jon Lieber in Game One -- not the ideal opponent for Schilling, but he did take a no-hitter into the seventh against Boston in a crucial game in September -- with Kevin Brown in Game Two and Mike Mussina in Game Three, needing to use Javier Vazquez only once in Game Four. Should the Yankees finish the series today, they'll be able to start Mussina in Game One. That rotation hardly negates Boston's starting two, but in a potential Game Seven the Yankees might have Mussina against Bronson Arroyo, though of course all the pitchers but Pedro and Brown will be available in the bullpen."

John (jdahlem), Saturday, 9 October 2004 12:44 (twenty-one years ago)

i think you're right, but game 5 will also be a "must-win", and there's not much reason to give one precedence over the other.

if minnesota didn't pitch Santana and lost today, exactly how much regret would the mgmnt feel?

gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 9 October 2004 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

The Twins have to start Santana today, if they lose, the season is over. They can worry about tomorrow after today.

For the Twins to get over the hump, they are going to have to score some runs and expose the Yanks gimpy starting pitching. They haven't been able to do this as of yet and it is the main reason they will probably lose this series.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Saturday, 9 October 2004 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

They've decided to start Santana today ...

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 9 October 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

his change looks like it has a bit more bite, but i'm not sure he knows exactly where it's going; he's again having trouble locating. we'll see what happens.


phantom tag?

John (jdahlem), Saturday, 9 October 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

this is f-ing game better not keep me from my cardinals :(

bnw (bnw), Saturday, 9 October 2004 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

the cardinals better not keep me from this f-ing game

John (jdahlem), Saturday, 9 October 2004 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.maroschi.com/marty.jpg

Too late!

William Crump (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 9 October 2004 23:13 (twenty-one years ago)

what a game!

John (jdahlem), Saturday, 9 October 2004 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

That was a brutal series for Twins fans. Though I was rooting for them, Yanks/Bosox just seems right.

mattbot (mattbot), Saturday, 9 October 2004 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

It was? I only listened on the radio, while battling an epic headache. I drifted in and out, but was awake for the tying 8th inning debacle.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 9 October 2004 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, and Bosox better clean mofo-ing house this time around.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 9 October 2004 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm only sorry we couldn't give them an extra day of rest or two, in immediate, bitter retrospect.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 9 October 2004 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh well... at least my postseason predix are still looking golden (# of games aside)...

Yanks over Twins in 5
Sox over Angels in 4
Cardinals over Dodgers in 4
Astros over Braves in 5

Sox over Yanks in 7 (and it will be stunning)
Cardinals over Astros in 6

Cardinals over Sox in 5

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 9 October 2004 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Kent Hrbek and Kirby Puckett made me like the Twins, and I still like them now. I'm sorry they lost to the Yanks.

You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Sunday, 10 October 2004 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I became a Twins fans by default in 1987. After the Jays collapsed and blew the AL East pennant to the Tigers that year, I wanted to see the Tigers get crushed. Minnesota obliged, and I've been a fan ever since.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 10 October 2004 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

they're one of the most likeable teams in baseball. they enjoy themselves without being brash or brazen, they're fun to watch, and they're impoverished. what's not to like? even _i_ felt the tiniest twinge of pity for them after the game last night, and i hope they're back next year.

John (jdahlem), Sunday, 10 October 2004 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

i hope they're back next year.

Just looking at the average age here, I'd say their chances are pretty good:

[position/name/age]

C Joe Mauer 21
1B Justin Morneau 23
2B Michael Cuddyer 25
SS Luis Rivas 25 / Christian Guzman 26
3B Corey Koskie 31
LF Lew Ford 28
CF Torii Hunter 29
RF Jacque Jones 29
LF/DH Shannon Stewart 30
DH Jason Kubel 22
DH/C/1B Matt Lecroy 28

SP Johan Santana 25
SP Brad Radke 31
SP Carlos Silva 25
SP Joe Mays 28
LRP Grant Balfour 26
LRP Kyle Lohse 26
MRP Jesse Crain 23
MRP JC Romero 28
SU Juan Rincon 25
CP Joe Nathan 29

gygax! (gygax!), Sunday, 10 October 2004 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

And according to this thread

2004-2005 Potential Free Agents

Koskie, Guzman and Radke are the only potential free agents worth mentioning.

gygax! (gygax!), Sunday, 10 October 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)


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