2006 Dumbass-A-Go-Go Thread

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Thank you, Baseball Think Factory:

"The trade Dombrowski made, getting Jeremy Bonderman, Carlos Pena and Franklyn German—for Jeff Weaver.

"Clearly, Weaver is a better pitcher than Bonderman. In three-plus seasons in Detroit, Weaver improved, especially his ERA (5.55 in 1999 to 3.18 in 2002). When he was dealt to the Yankees in 2002, Weaver was 6-8 with a 3.18 ERA.

"Bonderman, on the other hand, has a lifetime ERA of 4.98 in three full seasons. Weaver had a real shot at becoming the Tigers’ ace. For Bonderman, it’s still in question. Pena and German haven’t panned out as impact players."

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

whoa!

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

Some of the other Tiger moves have been pretty baffling, but that seems like a pretty decent trade to me (esp. given how mediocre Weaver has been since.) Plus Bonderman is only 22!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

i think the thred title should stay, reminds me of my go-go sox. speaking of which, ozzie is my hero.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

tho technically that shouldn't be on the dumbass thred! ozzie = smartest mang in basemaball.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

yeah it's more like Baseball Dumb Factory over there

I can't wait to hear WSCR's "Who You Crappin' " show today to hear what people are saying about the blizzard of Ozz.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

Stenc is the only one here not picking Cleveland, right?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 February 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

naw dood: no geoff blum, no credibility

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 16 February 2006 23:21 (nineteen years ago)

i'll pick chicago

gear (gear), Thursday, 16 February 2006 23:55 (nineteen years ago)

I already picked the Sox too!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 17 February 2006 01:51 (nineteen years ago)

secret spoiler: detroit

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 17 February 2006 04:14 (nineteen years ago)

If they had Jeff Weaver!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 17 February 2006 04:18 (nineteen years ago)

Do not underestimate the Leyland factor.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 17 February 2006 04:20 (nineteen years ago)

The Leyland Factor (LF) = # of years remaining in Jeremy Bonderman's career in the absence of Leyland / # of years remaining in Jeremy Bonderman's career in the prescence of Leyland

According to researchers, the best estimate is 1.8 < LF < 2.1

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 17 February 2006 04:32 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
I hate to ask, but what is the gist of Buster Olney's ESPN Insider column "It's a scapegoat hunt"? Could he have stumbled upon some actual truth re the PED spin?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 March 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

HR's MOST IMPORTANT THING (or whatever) last night:

"To me, April games count."

Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 3 April 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

To paraphrase from BBTN Sunday:

Krukster: Of course Jimmy Rollins' 56-game hit-streak record counts if it continues into this season! I don't care if it's done in one season, two seasons or THREE seasons!

Me: ...

Jimmy Mod: My theme is DEATH (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

And how about that Pedro Gomez. You know that fucker has an expense account. You know all he does is shit one paragraph of copy for SC every night.

Jimmy Mod: My theme is DEATH (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

Rangers pre/postgame whining yesterday that Millwood couldn't have a good season last year, because only went 9 and 11. If your team only gives you two runs, you should only give up one, goddamit.

And yeah, Olney's been calling the steroid hunt bullshit for a week or two now. Maybe longer, but I don't pay much attention to him.

Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/23356/analyzing_the_questionable_yankees.html

Last year the Yankees Bullpen got mixed results. Besides Mariano Rivera, the bullpen had a lot of question marks coming into this season. So the Yankees made some moves and only time will tell how they pan out. Here is hte 2006 Yankees bullpen:

Starting with the closer as the most important bullpen position, the Yanks have old reliable and the best closer in baseball, Mariano Rivera. Rivera had his best season as a Yankee most analysts will say posted an unheard of ERA nearing 1. He had 40+ saves like he has every year and at times seemed to be unhittable. HE quietly had one of his best seasons ever. This year, his production will continue as the Yankees lineup will generate more save opportunities for Rivera and for saves in his column.

The first big question mark is the setup man. Gone is Tom Gordon who was one of the best set up man in the game last year. He went to Philadelphia to be their closer. So they signed free agent Kyle Fransworth from the Braves who put up excellent numbers with the Braves last year. My only question is that can he put up the same numbers. I don't think so. Most braves pitchers do well because of Leo Mazzoni and Bobby Cox two of the best baseball men in the game. Like Jaret Wright, Farnsworth's numbers will decline. However I still think he can be a productive set up man.

Next is Tanyon Sturtze who has been pretty durable for the Yanks. He has filled in as a spot starter and has pitched nicely the past couple of years out of the bullpen. He does have some shaky games but most of the time he puts up good numbers.

Then there is Octavio Dotel Dotel was a great closer for the Astros a couple of years ago but on the A's he struggled and got injured for most of the year. I think that if he has a good year and stays healthy he can really regain his dominating self and fireball instinct he once had. Plus the Yanks aren't paying that much money so it is a gamble well worth taking.

Finally there is Chacon and Aaron Small coming out of the bullpen, tow men who were used as starters last year and put up good numbers. I don't know how much playing time they will receive depending on injuries to the pitching staff but they will put up good numbers.

The Yankees bullpen will definetly be better than last year. It is no longer a question mark like last year and for the most part these releivers will put up good numbers.

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

Is Dotel even actually on the roster right now? I thought he was still DL'd.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

yes. he is dl'd.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
CLUTCH:

"I always tell Carlos he's a gringo anyway because he speaks such good English and is so articulate."
--Mets catcher Paul Lo Duca, on Delgado

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 1 May 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

haha, I just saw that! Right up there with Vance Wilson's post-Piazza I'm-straight announcement: "He lives his life morally right."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 1 May 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe you would have walked ARod or maybe you wouldn't have, but Joe Maddon is a dumass:


NY Yankees 4, Tampa Bay 2, 10 innings

ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. (AP) -- With Alex Rodriguez struggling with runners in scoring position, the Tampa Bay Devil Rays took a calculated gamble against the New York Yankees slugger -- and lost.

Rodriguez snapped an 0-for-12 skid with a RBI single in the 10th inning, helping the Yankees finish a 4-2 comeback victory over the Devil Rays, who elected to pitch to the two-time American League MVP with first base open and runners at second and third.

The reason?

Hideki Matsui was on deck.

"Matsui, to me, is one of the best clutch hitters in all of baseball, so I prefer not pitching to him. You take your chances right there on A-Rod," Devil Rays manager Joe Maddon said.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 4 May 2006 02:43 (nineteen years ago)

Before consulting any stats, I'd wager that Gozira is more clutch than Princess.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 4 May 2006 04:58 (nineteen years ago)

Gozira has been the king of the clutch 4-3 groundout so far this season.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 4 May 2006 05:12 (nineteen years ago)

I was wrong according to this:

Gozira's career clutch: -1.3
Princess' career clutch: -0.7

Both are slight chokers with Matsui being slightly more choketastic.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 4 May 2006 05:28 (nineteen years ago)

Interesting to note from that same list:

Derek "Clutch" Jeter has the 4th worst clutch rate of all active players at -10.9.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 4 May 2006 05:30 (nineteen years ago)

In the midst of anointing the Reds the division title the other night on BBTN, the Krukster opined "If you look at the numbers -- and I hate numbers..."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 May 2006 12:18 (nineteen years ago)

I KNOW I SAW HIM SAY THAT IT WAS GOD AWFUL

Jimmy Mod is a super idol of The MARS SPIRIT (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Thursday, 4 May 2006 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/05/04/rain_delay_provided_an_opportunity_to_soak_the_fans/?page=full

I dunno if this is pure dumbassery, a lame attempt to establish one's credentials as a man of the people, or just a classic thin premise for a column, but Shaughnessy's already in rare form this year.

Tuesday at Fenway, ownership blundered by failing to make an early postponement of the scheduled game against the Yankees. It was obvious to every human in New England that no baseball was going to be played that night, but the $ox failed to call it off, then opened the gates, announced a delay, and finally called the game at approximately 7:40 p.m. It was preposterous.

Why? Why did they wait? Why did they allow faithful fans to drive one or two hours to the ballpark (don't forget the jackknifed tractor-trailer on the Southeast Expressway that created a monstrous traffic jam), pay $30 or more to park, then sit in slop for an hour or two when it was obvious there would be no baseball? Was it to sell a few more hot dogs or cups of chowder? NESN pregame show ratings? More customers at RemDawg's?

The $ox had to have known they could not have played that night. If not, they should fire Bill James and bring on Mish Michaels or Don Kent.

Was it really about the money? Did the $ox open the gates just to unload some concession items?

''That's a cheap shot at our integrity," said owner John Henry. ''We're not going to make our fans suffer just to sell hot dogs. In 2002, we canceled a game at 9:30 in the morning and then the sun came out. It's very hard to predict the weather in Boston. If we knew we weren't going to play, we wouldn't have sent [Josh] Beckett down to get warm. We heard it was going to be misty. It really didn't start raining until 10 after 8."

(Henry and Co. should have checked with any local dairy farmer. Take it from one who grew up in Groton, everybody knows it's going to rain when the cows are lying down in the pasture, and the cattle were definitely horizontal Tuesday.)

There's exactly one salient point in that whole column (w/r/t the Globe/Red Sox ownership sitch), but it wasn't even raining in Boston when they opened the gates at 5:00! Dan Shaughnessy Watch's parting shot is pretty genius today.

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Thursday, 4 May 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

re: the krukster

i tuned that in just after i finished reading his treatise on intelligent design.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 4 May 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.syracuse.com/poliquin/weblog/index.ssf?/mtlogs/syr_poliquin/archives/2006_05.html#138178

Maybe I'm biased. Let's get that out of the way right at the top of this offering. Maybe the small kindness extended to me by Joe Morgan back in 1975 when I was an impossibly youthful and inexperienced sportswriter has stuck all this time later.

Regardless, I think the man is the finest "expert analyst" working the TV sports beat. Baseball . . . football . . . basketball . . . doesn't matter. I submit that Morgan, the former second baseman for a lot of teams -- including the '75 Cincinnati Reds -- is the gold standard of color men.

He's insightful, he's knowledgeable, he's articulate and he can effortlessly blend today's game and athletes with those of yesterday without yearning for the one and/or pandering to the other.

I mention this here and now because I treated myself to virtually all of ESPN2's telecast of the Thursday-night affair between Houston and St. Louis, and to Morgan's words that accompanied it. As always, Joe was superb . . . especially when he commented about Andy Pettitte and his slider with these words: "If you think he's tough, you should have batted against Steve Carlton."

I don't know. For some reason that made me laugh. But then, Morgan -- the Hall-of-Famer, and one of baseball's true ambassadors -- was so sound in other ways. Why does Houston's insistence to bat Willy Taveras second behind the much slower Craig Biggio rather than leadoff make sense? Joe explained. Why won't pitchers throw inside more often? Joe explained. Why did the Astros' Lance Berkman look so good hitting his fourth-inning home run and so weak striking out a couple of innings later? Joe explained.

And then there was his dismissal of pitchers who suffer from a lack of run support. "Pitch better," Joe said. "It's simple: If the other guy gave up no runs, he out-pitched you."

Anyway, I believe that Joe Morgan is terrific at what he does behind the microphone. And my position has nothing to do with that rainout during the 1975 World Series between Morgan's Reds and the Boston Red Sox when, during a practice session at an indoor batting facility at Boston University (I think), Morgan motioned to a certain youthful scribe to join him inside the cage, where the conversation could be more private.

And, yes, I accepted his invitation . . . and I sat with Joe Morgan, just the two of us, apart from the masses . . . and I got a pretty good story out of it. In a career filled with some wonderful moments, I've never forgotten that one.

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Sunday, 7 May 2006 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

There's exactly one salient point in that whole column (w/r/t the Globe/Red Sox ownership sitch), but it wasn't even raining in Boston when they opened the gates at 5:00! Dan Shaughnessy Watch's parting shot is pretty genius today.

I loved the insinuation that Bill James should have developed a formula for predicting the weather. Cy Young Predictor, Rain Predictor, etc.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 7 May 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

I think Tom Verducci is upset about something, I can't quite put my finger on it though:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AtLadahUVQObhvICzzNlGKARvLYF?slug=cnnsi-disturbingsigno&prov=cnnsi&type=lgns

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

i hate those bonds pieces so much and it seems like every hack sportswriter has about a dozen in them.

gear (gear), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

How accurate are Farmer's Almanacs about rainfall?

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

They're only accurate when it rains in San Francisco and not New York (or St. Louis)...

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

Imagine a highway patrol officer manning a radar gun as car after car zooms past him at more than the 55 mph posted limit, some if only by a handful of miles per hour. And in that traffic is one red Ferrari zipping along at 100 mph. Who is getting pulled over?

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

quick question: what are thoughts on the current anti-wbc columns (i.e. offense is up and pitching is stinking b/c dudes who went to the wbc were taken out of their routines)?

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

The only article I've read is Nate Silver's:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5054

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

i saw that, but i saw one in the b'more sun that just went on bald assertion and then i saw one a couple weeks back that looked used stat evidence to say in some cases yes, in some cases no.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

I wanted to check on Daisuke Matsuzaka (WBC MVP) and found out that he is 4-1 with a 1.91 ERA after 6 games. 1.11 WHIP, 2 Complete Games, 40K/10BB, 8.5K/9... everything seems in line with his career #s.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

Had the Japanese ended their season later or had they been in training camp longer, are Japanese pitchers usually more warmed up at this point in the season, etc. - there are a lot of factors that could explain the difference in MLB/JPL performance.

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

The J-league series ended in late October:
2005 Japan League Series - Chiba Lotte Marines vs. Hanshin Tigers

Are the Japanese in training camp longer than who? Longer than the guys playing in Fall leagues, Rookie Leagues or Carribean Leagues?

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

Longer than those playing for major league teams. Few of whom, if they made it on a WBC roster, played in the AFL or Dominican winter ball.

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 03:32 (nineteen years ago)

you lost me.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 03:43 (nineteen years ago)

(admittedly a while ago)

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 03:43 (nineteen years ago)

Between Verducci and this drooling, Rome-wannabe, Yahoo! is bringing the unintended roffles of late:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-bonds050906&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

dude...that guy's, like, 10 years old!

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

If Bonds is a DH in 2007, will we have to endure "he's only DH'ing, so he's taking the cheap route to breaking Aaron's record" articles, written by people who choose to ignore that a) who gives a fuck if he DH's or plays LF, b) Aaron extended his own record by DH'ing for two years?

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

I'm pretty sure that they will continue to focus on the fact that he took steroids instead of focusing on the DH issue, but they might add it to the pile.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

i want to know how Bonds kept his boyish complexion so acne free

jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

Steroids clear up pimples, they're like the male birth control pill (in more SHRUNKEN GONADS ways than one).

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

didn't his mistress say he had really bad backne?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

Kimberly Bell admitted on National TV that she never saw him do steroids and looked extremely shaky when Geraldo was grilling her on whether Bonds ever even mentioned "steroids" to her. She spoke only of "physical changes"... dude was weight-training 3 hours a day!

Her ghostwriter (Aphrodite Jones) eventually walked away from the book deal ("Bonds' Girl) because it was all pretty flimsy.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

Except that we actually know that Bonds did steroids. Cream, clear, etc.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

Apparently the people who told "us" that are going to jail!!!

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

Mr. Shasta, what do you think Bonds' involvement was? Just for clarification's sake. Do you think he only used cream/clear a few times, and even then unwittingly, as is the official Barry Bonds position? Just curious.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

Well there's about four threads in the archives...

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

Steve Shasta - where did I lose you?

You pointed out that one player not on an MLB schedule did not seem to be adversely effected by playing in the WBC. I suggested that if he had been in training longer than MLB players, or if his season had ended earlier, or if Japanese pitchers have a different spring timing regimen (throwing off and on throughout the offseason, etc.) than MLB pitchers, these could all explain why Matsuzaka has shown no ill effects.

You responded by arguing that MLB pitchers could be on a similar schedule with the fall leagues (AFL - Arizona Fall League) or winter ball - except, as I noted, these wouldn't apply to most, if not all, of the MLB pitchers playing in the WBC.

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

Well there's about four threads in the archives...

I searched through the Bonds thread and the steroids thread and found nothing akin to a position, so how about either pointing me to it or just bothering to type it out?

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

Oh okay. I think you're of the opinion that there is a vast divide between the J-League schedule and MLB's. But to address your points:

1) I have no idea if Daisuke Matsuzaka trains longer in the offseason than the "average MLB player". I guess I was trying to figure out who exactly the "average MLB player" was.

2) The J-League season is fairly similar to MLB's. Spring Training begins in February and culminates in ~20 games against regional and international competition. Officially starts in April although only 146 games long. Playoffs are a week after the season ends, in October. So their season is about 10% shorter than the MLB season (but they take a full week off to play 3 all star games).

Matsuzaka's team did not make it to the playoffs (as they sucked).

3) Matsuzaka skipped much of Spring Training to train and compete with the WBC Team Japan. He mentioned that he tried to prepare for both the WBC and the J-League season in mind. Also, I don't think he pitched more than ~60 pitches in any of his WBC starts.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

In time polyp! I just spent 4 minutes on that last post!!!

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

MUST KNOW NOW.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

Don't pressure Steve Shasta. He'll post something incomprehensible in his own time! ;)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

OMG didn't know where to put this... Prospectus Stathead vs Nasty Boy!

Jonah Keri interviewed by Rob Dibble and Chris Rose on The Best Damn SportsShow Period, Monday, May 15th at 10:30 pm local time.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 11 May 2006 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

do you think dibble believes in numbers?

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 11 May 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

we'll find out when Keri throws VORP and BABIP at him.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 May 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

OMG, Yahoo's Jeff Passan has topped himself (= he wrote an even shittier article than the one linked upthread).

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AkyGL.6gFefhO4Tyocq0qI85nYcB?slug=jp-bonds051106&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Is this guy so fresh out of ideas that he needs to write a column about Bonds on consecutive days? Is there nothing else to write about?

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 12 May 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

This missing-playoff talk is sounding awfully similar to the mud we slung just before the Small-Chacon Reclamation Project last year. You know the Yankees could just trade for a big-time star like Jacque Jones or Shannon Stewart and get back to winning.

-- David R. (quoteidio...), May 12th, 2006.

Jimmy Mod (sorry d.r.) (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 12 May 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

and Passan tops himself again!

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Au13ETGue_0iRYmbC3ByUKIRvLYF?slug=jp-barrybonds051206&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

This guy is such a fucking hack. Even if you think that Bonds did something wrong, this is just column after column of taking on the easiest target baseball has ever seen. It's the columnist equivalent to shooting fish in a barrel.

gear (gear), Monday, 15 May 2006 02:16 (nineteen years ago)

MOD!

:(

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 15 May 2006 02:22 (nineteen years ago)

BRUCE(roy) JENKINS:

"A panel of ESPN writers and broadcasters recently chose Roger Clemens as the greatest living pitcher, thus unleashing another blowtorch on reality. For regular-season excellence and longevity, absolutely, but clutch performances have to matter. If you want somebody to pitch a big game, you take Sandy Koufax, Bob Gibson, Whitey Ford, Jack Morris, Jim Palmer, Mickey Lolich and Dave Stewart (just for starters) over Clemens, who doesn’t even enter the argument..."

PS - MOD! :{ :{ ;_;

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 15 May 2006 12:27 (nineteen years ago)

HOLY SHIT WHAT IS WITH THIS GUY??????

Passan wants to be the Jim Gray to Bonds' Pete Rose. OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, in writing.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 21 May 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

I heard this call on the radio yesterday: "If it stays fair its gone.... its a home run to center-field!" And it wasn't even from a drunken Mike Shannon.

Also, I would like to add Jayson Stark for calling the Cards '05 signing of Eckstein, the worst FA acquisition of that year.

bnw (bnw), Monday, 22 May 2006 05:25 (nineteen years ago)

I nominate all of Yahoo! Sports. Jeff Passat is unreadable... mostly just a chewed up Verducci paste spread between 2 Skip Bayless sandwich.

Here's today's headline:

Power outage: Bonds, Pujols fizzle in showdown

A combined .429 OBP + .500 SLG = .929 OPS fizzle.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

Also, I would like to add Jayson Stark for calling the Cards '05 signing of Eckstein, the worst FA acquisition of that year.

Didn't almost everyone think this at the time?

polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

Haha I think people thought he would be a step down from Renteria, but "worst FA signing of the year" seems harsh (esp. considering the money that Jared Wright and Carl Pavano got!)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

i think adrian beltre take the crown!

gear (gear), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

Hah what's more amazing is that there are still people who think DePodesta fucked up there!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

i know a guy like that! big dodgers fan, loves lasorda, bitches about letting lo duca and beltre and shawn green go ('they were leaders!') and how j.d. drew sucks.

gear (gear), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

Hahah we're so smart becase we kno better then tham~!

c(''c) (Leee), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

Hah what's more amazing is that there are still people who think DePodesta fucked up there!

Half of them are named Bill Plaschke.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AhvaHaDBU0q2_njL.zpuW8ARvLYF?slug=cnnsi-legacyoflies&prov=cnnsi&type=lgns

verducci goes after bonds, again.

even if these assholes aren't wrong, it's just such obvious, lowest-common denominator bullshit going after a guy who is hated by most people who follow baseball. stumped for an interesting take on a complex game? take aim at the easiest target in the world, yet again.

sportswriting must has more hacks-per-capita than any other profession.

gear (gear), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

don't forget rock criticism, gear.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

i would have felt like a hypocrite saying that, after that post

gear (gear), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

Check the title on this article:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Ah5s_Ge7UILEQkcQErMEJFwRvLYF?slug=cnnsi-theirforreal&prov=cnnsi&type=lgns

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

I think the 2nd grade grammar error isn't even the dumbest thing in the article.

OMGWTF:

Verlander is the kind of young impact pitcher that can make a good rotation into a playoff rotation, the way Kevin Millwood did for the 1998 Braves, Kerry Wood did for the 1998 Cubs and Rick Ankiel did for the 2000 Cardinals.

The Cubs were spanked by the Braves in 1998, the Mets rolled over the Cards in 2000 (partly thanks to Rick Ankiel turning into ... uh, Rick Ankiel), and the 1998 Braves had two, maybe three future HOF starters so it's probably safe to say that they already had a "playoff rotation" before Millwood got there.

So what's he saying -- the Tigers are good enough to squeak their way past the best of the AL's second tier teams and get their asses handed to them by the truly great teams?

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

Roffle

Jimmy Mod: NOIZE BOARD GRIL COMPARISON ANALYST (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

Martinez Stribg STRIKES!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 00:54 (nineteen years ago)

i think yahoo/s.i. has the worst guys out there. dan wetzel just penned a basketball column calling for flip saunders to be fired as coach of the detroit pistons because some assholes on his team question his decision making, despite them having the best record in basketball during the regular season.

gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 02:08 (nineteen years ago)

seriously. they have these two young dudes (one of whom is such a hipster parody, it's hard to even fathom) who do not play the game the right way.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 10:42 (nineteen years ago)

from tom verducci's mailbag:

Rafael Furcal changes the Dodgers' identity how? By hitting .266/.343/.343? Or maybe getting caught stealing 37 percent of the time? His numbers are very similar to Cesar Izturis' last year.
-- Mike, Portland

When I saw the Dodgers, they raved about his passion for the game. He's got Miguel Tejada-type enthusiasm. I agree that he hasn't played like a $13 million player, but I do believe he's given them an element of energy that can be contagious.

gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

That's Jetertastic!

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

furcal fever. catch it.

gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

The new Hitman


Congrats to Derek Jeter, who isn't most overrated, on hit No. 2,000. If anything, he's most underrated.

Late hits


Cubs catcher Michael Barrett got 10 games for popping A.J. Pierzynski, which Barrett deserved. But if you've met Pierzynski, you may think Barrett also deserves a medal.

There's a dispute over Kirby Puckett's ashes, and I keep waiting for Doug Mientkiewicz to make his claim.

I ask myself: How am I ever going to fill my Tuesday nights now that "Bonds on Bonds" is on hiatus?


Jon Heyman can be reached at jonhheyman@aol.com

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

There is only one Pete Vescey.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

More from the clown:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AjXpmN8nrl69mbG_n.3JKVQRvLYF?slug=jp-overunder060106&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Essentially: Young, farmed prospects are a bargain compared to older free agents.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 1 June 2006 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

Cubs catcher Michael Barrett got 10 games for popping A.J. Pierzynski, which Barrett deserved.

I too agree that Barret deserved to suckerpunch AJ!

c(''c) (Leee), Thursday, 1 June 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

that seems to be about right, except for ramon hernandez, but his contract, iirc, escalates in a screwy way such that it's virtually impossible that the o's will be getting a reasonable return by the last two years, when he'll probably be backing up brandon snyder anyways.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 1 June 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

and i wouldn't exactly call him a dumbass, but...

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/cn/headshots/scottpianowski2.jpg

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 1 June 2006 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

and

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/.element/img/2.0/story/writers/new/topper_filice_inside-baseball.jpg

is the hipster doofus i was talking about before.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 1 June 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

In baseball these days, You Gotta Be in Disbelief

Synopsis: EVERYTHING HAS BEEN RUINED BY STEROIDS PLEASE STOP ENJOYING THE SPORT K THX ps enjoy some really, really inane metaphrors ok bye

Stupornaut (natepatrin), Friday, 2 June 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

Why is Eric Wedge making a pitching change with two outs and a runner on second in the 9th inning of a 13-0 game?

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 5 June 2006 02:02 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry, it's a 14-0 game.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 5 June 2006 02:04 (nineteen years ago)

Because he wants to go home?

Jimmy Mod: NOIZE BOARD GRIL COMPARISON ANALYST (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 5 June 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

So now that Prince Albert's trainer prepares to have his office cleaned out by the FBI, Jeff Passan decides to write a PRO--hGH column:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AnRExGcUWvgD3FTPzaaXldYRvLYF?slug=jp-hgh061206&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 12 June 2006 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

That article is only stupid in the context of Passan being a Pujols apologist. The question "What if steroids/hgh posed no health risk? Should they still be banned?" is an important one, and that article is pretty decent in some respects.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 12 June 2006 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

Of course, but check out his archives:

Sorting out the hGH issue June 12, 2006
The use of human growth hormone in pro sports has sparked debate between those who tout its therapeutic properties and their detractors.

Baseball's HGH problem June 7, 2006
The Grimsley case highlights the difficult choices the sport will have to make to police the use of human growth hormone.

Bonds' tragedy of errors May 20, 2006
The baseball world should be Barry Bonds' stage, but controversy has rendered him a fallen hero.

At the letters: Fans sound off on Bonds May 15, 2006
Love Barry Bonds or hate him, it seems everyone has an opinion on the Giants slugger.

More Barry being Barry May 13, 2006
SAN FRANCISCO – After 21 years and 713 home runs, Barry Bonds still doesn't get it.

Split decision May 11, 2006
SAN FRANCISCO – Thinking about the meaning of Barry Bonds is enough to give one man a brain cramp.

BALCO isn't done with Barry Bonds May 10, 2006
BURLINGAME, Calif. – All references to the infamous laboratory are gone at its former headquarters, but its legacy will not die.

Bonds-Magowan smackdown looming? May 10, 2006
SAN FRANCISCO – With Barry Bonds nearing free agency, the coming months could get interesting between the Giants' slugger and principal owner.

Head games May 3, 2006
MILWAUKEE – As the world tunes in, Barry Bonds is finding it harder to concentrate on the task at hand.

Mets pitcher gets 50-game doping ban April 28, 2006
Yusaku Iriki is the first player to be suspended 50 games for violating the major-league policy against performance-enhancing drugs.

Off to a flying start April 24, 2006
MILWAUKEE – For whatever reason – good weather, juiced players, juiced balls – homers are being hit at a record pace.

A real gem April 15, 2006
BOSTON – David Ortiz happily dances to his own beat in setting the tone for the Red Sox.

Homecoming for Thome April 3, 2006
CHICAGO – Healthy again and playing in his home state, Jim Thome just might help bring the White Sox another World Series title.

Selig's gesture rings hollow March 30, 2006
If the planned investigation into steroid use is as thorough as promised, there can be only one result – Bud Selig's resignation.

The ghost of Barry Bonds March 16, 2006
SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. – The Giants slugger is dead to the baseball world. And, sadly, he's the only one who doesn't realize it.

Questions for Barry March 8, 2006
Barry Bonds could face perjury and obstruction of justice charges following the release of a new book, a leading attorney says.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 12 June 2006 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not sure where else to post this, but the Angels sent Jered Weaver down to AAA. Uh, what?

polyphonic (polyphonic), Saturday, 17 June 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

He lacks the grit and composure of his brother.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 17 June 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

the angels are a pretty stupid organization

gear (gear), Saturday, 17 June 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

"I'm not sure where else to post this, but the Angels sent Jered Weaver down to AAA. Uh, what?"

That has to be an out of options move. Did Kotchman just come off the DL? He has been up and down for the past few years and he may have been out of options. It is still suprising as Weaver has been about their best starter for the past few weeks.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Saturday, 17 June 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

i guess i understand the move when one focuses on gritty veterans like darin erstad with his chaw and his grizzle, and garret anderson with his proven winner stuff and run driving in ability, and bartolo colon who is a cy young winner and knew how to win 21 games last year, and adam kennedy who hit three HR in a game once, and tim salmon who isn't called the kingfish for nothing after all he's a proven 30hr 100 rbi guy.

gear (gear), Saturday, 17 June 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder if the Angels triple-a team could beat the pro team in a best of seven.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Saturday, 17 June 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

Jered Weaver talk is always welcome on the "ten tacos" thread as he was also present. I'm gonna go revive it.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Sunday, 18 June 2006 06:38 (nineteen years ago)

The Angels management philosophy is indicative in the teams current record; ie: its shitty. The only thing Bud Black offered during the telecast on Fox was that the move was done in order to bring some order back to the rotation or whatever the fuck that means. As if rhythm in the starting rotation has been the biggest chink in the Angels armor this season. Uh, OBP anyone?

Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Sunday, 18 June 2006 07:13 (nineteen years ago)

http://static.flickr.com/58/170015837_a7e84504b9.jpg?v=0

Stormy Davis (diamond), Sunday, 18 June 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

Dumbasses! It was NOT C Lee's first walk-off ... cuz I was AT the game when he hit his first walk-off. Almost exactly 5 years ago, when he hit a grand salami off of Cubs reliever Courtney Duncan to win the game for the White Sox in the bottom of the 10th. I was wearing his jersey at the game too! One of my all-time great baseball memories.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Sunday, 18 June 2006 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060621

Come on, Simmons.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 22 June 2006 12:54 (nineteen years ago)

Tim Kurkjian: The Hidden Value of Intangibles
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=kurkjian_tim&id=2501675&campaign=rss&source=MLBHeadlines

This reads like a Yard-Work piece.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

darin erstad is so shitty

gear (gear), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

I was wondering when someone would post that Kurkjian article.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

I'm so glad that Angels care more about the fact that Darren Erstad was a PUNTER than that he is hitting .319 SLG and .273 OBP. If the Rangers had a guy quite that intangible on their team (their dude unfortunately still has a tangible or two) the A's would have a 3 or 4 game lead!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

How does Neyer's response story read?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

yeah someone post that!

gear (gear), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

Simmons seems to take a special joy in being a baseball dumbass. Like he knows there's better information available, but he'd rather go with intangibles and superstition.

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 01:01 (nineteen years ago)

Joe Morgan with Dan Patrick's fill-in this afternoon, in reference to the All-Star Game, said something about (paraphrasing here) 'do you want home-field advantage for the World Series decided with a Kansas City pitcher and a Tampa Bay hitter up' - and the fill-in didn't have the heart to tell him they'd be on the same team. Or didn't know, which is a distinct possibility.

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 01:03 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...
http://espn.go.com/dickvitale/061010VitaleonMLBPlayoffs.html

Hogwash. I hear it on sports talk radio stations, throughout the media, and from fans on the street … everyone thinks it is so important to be hot going into the playoffs.

Once you make the postseason, you have to get hot. It is not always about momentum going into the playoffs, my friends. The same can be said for the NCAA basketball tournament.

A lot of schools are electric, playing winning basketball in their conference tournament. Unfortunately they often work so hard to win the conference title and then suffer upset city in the big dance. Look at Syracuse capturing the 2006 Big East championship with a great run, led by Gerry McNamara. The Orange lost in the first round of the NCAA to Texas A&M. Last season Iowa won the Big Ten championship but lost in the first round of the NCAA to Northwestern State. It happens!

Then there is baseball. How hot were the Tigers at the end of the regular season? They weren't, getting swept by the Royals while losing its grip on the AL Central. Detroit dropped five in a row prior to beating the Yankees. Everyone said they had to be hot going into the playoffs. Tell that to Jimmy Leyland. Detroit didn't buy it and New York, which came in hot, won 97 games in the regular season and had a lineup called Murderer's Row and Cano, went home.

Leyland is a master motivator and a winner. Just check out his record. His heart and soul was in Pittsburgh, Florida and now Detroit.

Look at the Cardinals and their struggles, going 3-9 down the stretch. Tony LaRussa's team limped into the playoffs, suffered through a bunch of injuries, and they got past the Padres in four.

Talk, talk, talk… you have to win on the field.

Now we have the ALCS and NLCS. Imagine if we have the Tigers and Cardinals in the World Series. Besides being a rematch of the great 1968 series, it would be LaRussa vs. Leyland and there is so much respect there. Leyland was working on scouting for the Cardinals while living in Pittsburgh, watching future St. Louis opponents when they faced the Pirates. LaRussa gave him his first job as a coach with the White Sox.

My gut feeling is Tigers vs. Mets in the World Series. Willie Randolph has done a great job. In the end, I think it is going to be Motown Madness, baby! Get the Temptations, the Four Tops, Diana Ross and the Supremes! It is going to be Berry Gordy time as the Tigers to win the World Series in six.

govern yourself accordingly (dayan), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

MOTOWN VS. SALSOUL FITE!

nate p. (natepatrin), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

Psycho, Pinella, and Thom are absolutely killing me.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 02:47 (nineteen years ago)

I was listening to the radio while driving earlier, and the fat guy who isn't joe morgan said "you might want a guy like zumaya who can throw 100 mph fastballs, but todd jones throws strikes", at which point todd jones proceeds to walk swisher in five pitches.

fergie-ferg meluvulongtime~~~ (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 03:09 (nineteen years ago)

Jones will make even Jon Miller look bad.

I loved this, from a recent NY Times. Richard Sandomir dismantles Brennaman and Lyons with a patience I don't think I'd be able to muster:


On Fox, Sour Notes From a Pair of Veteran Voices
By RICHARD SANDOMIR

It was difficult not to see that the left-hander Tyler Johnson had come in to relieve for the St. Louis Cardinals on Sunday night.

His name is on the back of his uniform. Fox flashed up a graphic. To paraphrase the old umpire Jim Honochick, who donned glasses to recognize Boog Powell in a classic Miller Lite commercial: “Hey, that’s Tyler Johnson!” On KTRS, the Cardinals’ radio station, John Rooney did not stumble on the issue. “Tyler Johnson is ready to face Josh Bard,” he said.

• But for 35 seconds, against the visual evidence before him, Fox’s Thom Brennaman insisted that Johnson was the right-hander Josh Kinney. He gave his age and his long years in the minor leagues and said, “Here he is, pitching Game 4 of the National League division series.”

Through the first and second pitches, Johnson was still Kinney. By the time the third pitch was thrown, Brennaman realized his enormous error.

“Oh, I beg your pardon,” he said. Johnson, he discovered, was pitching, not Kinney. Kinney then relieved Johnson.

Brennaman’s faux pas was his own. But Tim McCarver didn’t say a word. And no one else in Fox’s production truck or booth appeared to offer an informational lifeline.

When you become known for making mistakes, or for your immaturity, it’s hard to wash away the image. If you’re a great announcer, it’s easier to forgive the errors.

But Brennaman is not great. He is mediocre, distinguished mainly by an unmodulated megaphone-like voice that is like a parody of what a sportscaster should sound like. It does not convey a warm welcome, or the promise of excellence, as do Vin Scully or ESPN’s Jon Miller, who was joined for Friday night’s Yankees-Tigers game in Detroit by the retired Ernie Harwell, ever a delightful and welcoming legend.

Worse, for Brennaman, is his usual boothmate, Steve Lyons, a childish personality who has never attempted to live down his nickname, Psycho. Lyons is capable of an occasional insight. But he also made ignorant remarks two years ago about Shawn Green, who is Jewish, regarding why he did not play for the Dodgers on Yom Kippur. Fox suspended Lyons briefly.

In their years together, Lyons and Brennaman have shown no growth as a team. And Fox has yet to show a desire to find a better backup duo for McCarver and Joe Buck. Once upon a time in the 1980’s at NBC, Bob Costas and Tony Kubek backed up the No. 1 team of Scully and Joe Garagiola.

All of which leads to the regrettable incident last Thursday during Game 2 of the Dodgers-Mets playoff series at Shea Stadium. Brennaman and Lyons bonded like spitballing 13-year-olds in a middle school lunchroom to mock a Mets fan who was wearing an unusual-looking device over his eyes to help his poor vision. Stephen Teitelbaum, blind except for peripheral vision in one eye, was wearing a Jordy, a magnifying device, to help him watch the game.

Brennaman and Lyons could not know those details when the camera found Teitelbaum, but they could see that he was not goofing with a child’s toy. Still, they pursued him as if he were the class weakling. What was he wearing, they wondered?

“A Psycho-meter,” Brennaman said, to welcome Lyons to town.

“Maybe he’s in virtual reality,” Lyons said. If he is, Lyons explained, “he should stay there.”

And maybe, Lyons suggested, the Dodgers should don the contraptions to better hit Tom Glavine. Lyons then hit on the most logical puerile explanation: “He’s got a digital camera stuck to his face.”

This insensitive nonsense went on for 53 seconds while Marlon Anderson batted, offering a window into stunted imaginations. But it also underscored the failure by anyone at Fox to tell them to let up. Fox could have dispatched someone to Teitelbaum’s seat to report back on his condition. Instead, Teitelbaum’s family called Fox on Friday, leading to Brennaman’s on-air mea culpa early in Game 3 Saturday from Los Angeles.

This, then, is the second-best team Fox has to offer, the one that will call the American League Championship Series. Fox could do better by elevating Josh Lewin, who had a terrific game Saturday when the Tigers took their division series against the Yankees. Or Fox could show good sense by reaching out to SNY’s Gary Cohen to replace Brennaman.

But such a move seems unlikely. The Foxians love Brennaman enough to make him the voice of two Bowl Championship Series broadcasts, including the title game. Maybe his huge, unrestrained voice will be more suitable for college bowl games.

• Lyons, who worked with Lewin in Detroit on Saturday, has mastered the art of the absolute statement but falters at factual precision. Alex Rodriguez had an “unbelievable” season, he said, but he clearly did not. Derek Jeter had his best year, he said, but his numbers were better in 1999.

As the Yankees succumbed to Detroit’s Jeremy Bonderman on Saturday, Lyons ignored mounting evidence that the Yankees’ potency was more the stuff of fantasy baseball than of postseason reality, to say they comprised “arguably the best offensive lineup that’s ever been produced.”

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:04 (nineteen years ago)

WOW

Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

Thank God for that. That guy is HORRIBLZ

distinguished mainly by an unmodulated megaphone-like voice that is like a parody of what a sportscaster should sound like

Not only is this guy an idiot, but his voice is horrible as well, I think this description nails it. It's got this air of fake self importance.

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

It was pretty painful listening to them last night. Pinella's alright, but the other two are just complete morons.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

Quick aside:

a better backup duo for McCarver and Joe Buck

I hate it when writers misuse "for" for "than."

c('°c) (Leee), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

Lyons is hilarious. He pwned Pineilla last night when they were talking about Sweet Lou's managerial record and dedication to winning or some bullshit, then Psycho was like 'Hey Lou then what happened down in Tampa Bay'? (or something along those lines) He may not get his facts right, but hes prone to hilarity from time to time.

Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

Pinella's alright

Wow, I really don't think so at all.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

idk who pinella is but he sounded like a dbag imo

fergie-ferg meluvulongtime~~~ (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

I couldn't decide if Pinella was a dolt or just not meant for broadcasting.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

a better backup duo for McCarver and Joe Buck

I hate it when writers misuse "for" for "than."

This is not a case of that, tho.

Piniella is easily the most tolerable of the 3.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

he sounds like someone's crazy great-uncle

mookieproof (mookieproof), Thursday, 12 October 2006 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

holy shit, did Joe Morgan REALLY say in the NYY-Det series that Kenny Rogers was the best lefty pitcher he'd ever seen? Commit him.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 October 2006 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

He said that as a way to sort of poke fun at himself for going on and on about the Yankees' offense.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

oh yeah, "the greatest lineup ever"

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

Looks like we're not the only ones.

boldbury (boldbury), Friday, 13 October 2006 07:28 (nineteen years ago)

Whoops.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FINIQILRjwU

boldbury (boldbury), Friday, 13 October 2006 07:28 (nineteen years ago)

I can only assume that the sudden onslaught of posts in response to FOX's firing of Steve "Psycho" Lyons led to this past weekend's server failure.

boldbury (boldbury), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 00:46 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder if he'll get that bench coach job he was pining to get under Piniella.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 01:09 (nineteen years ago)

He can run clubhouse security to make sure nobody's wallets get stolen.

boldbury (boldbury), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 03:00 (nineteen years ago)

I kinda think this event deserves its own thread. It's that much of a victory for IQ's everywhere. I mean, the dumbest idiot in the history of stupidity has been fired! I don't know about you guys, but I fired up a celebratory Cohiba as soon as heard the news. What a jagbag.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 03:04 (nineteen years ago)

Would've been nice if Fox simply fired him for being a jagbag (or, better yet, according to sources, just let him play out the string for the rest of the year) instead of using the tried-and-true "inappropriate comments" card to cut the dickhead to save themselves the embarrassment of admitting they made a mistake in hiring the chump in the first place.

And, of course, I encourange any and all broadcasting asshats to talk about lazy inscrutable wallet-stealing Kosher showboaters whenever they feel the need to bloviate, in the hopes that maybe they'll get fired, too.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 04:22 (nineteen years ago)

hard to admit making a mistake in their position. he's been in there a decade, no?

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

Steve Phillips, pls make some birth-certif-related ethnic crack about Pujols

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:34 (nineteen years ago)

Or at least follow HR's lead (not exactly unlikely).

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

Would've been nice if Fox simply fired him for being a jagbag (or, better yet, according to sources, just let him play out the string for the rest of the year) instead of using the tried-and-true "inappropriate comments" card to cut the dickhead to save themselves the embarrassment of admitting they made a mistake in hiring the chump in the first place.

how did they "save themselves the embarrassment of admitting they made a mistake in hiring the chump in the first place," exactly?

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

By nominally firing him for making inappropriate comments, instead of letting him go for general incompetence. Tho, if his contract was up @ the end of the year, they probably could've just let him walk w/out any stink being raised whatsoever.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

if fox let people go for general incompetence, they wouldn't have a network, much less a sports division.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

McCarver thought Valentin trying to stretch single down 5 runs on Sat night was a great gamble.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

I think all things considered (as long as it isn't a Yankees game and they're going crazy over Jeter) McCarver & Buck are fine compared to Thom Brennaman or Joe Morgan.

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

Set the bar low enough, and donkey doo starts smelling like apple pie.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

Big financial hit," "diversity training" for part-time Dodgers commentator

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

Corey from Florida: Why has Kenny Rogers become so successful at this point in his career?

Joe Morgan: (11:54 AM ET ) As I've always said, even as a hitter, by the time you really learn your craft, physically, you can't execute any more. I think Kenny knows as much about pitching as he's going to know and can still execute it. You also learn more about your game, you get smarter, but at some point, you can't execute them any more.

Tony, Reading, Pa: Hello Joe, love your work!!!...much like last year with the White Sox, the Tigers feel to me like a team destined to win this thing....do you agree?..Destiny, plus the best pitching equal the world championship

Joe Morgan: (11:56 AM ET ) Well, they're very similar to Chicago last year. Detroit lost the division down the stretch and Chicago almost did last year. But I do think this layoff will effect Detroit.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

FREDDY, OAKLAND,CA: JOE, WERE THERE ANY PLAYERS DURING YOUR PLAYING DAYS WHO THREW 100 MPH, AS IS THE CASE NOW?

Joe Morgan: (12:00 PM ET ) Well, they didn't use the radar gun on every pitch as they do now. Make no mistake about it, some of these readings are jacked up. I don't think anyone today throws any harder than Nolan Ryan or Gibson or any of those guys threw. But I don't know about any team that has the guys that can throw as hard as the Tigers.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, their pitching's going to be too well-rested, while whoever survives the NLCS will have a battle-tested staff that will pwn those lazy Tigers hitters. If I were Jim Leyland, I'd have my team scrimmage every day twice a day leading up to the World Series.

[fire Andy_K xpost]

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

Set the bar low enough, and donkey doo starts smelling like apple pie.

hence the Dem prospects in the midterm election!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

NUMBERS ARE WRONG

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

Derek (CT): What's your take on Steve Lyons?

Rob Neyer: (12:52 PM ET ) Well, this might get me fired, but I went over his offensive comments a few times and I have to say . . . I wasn't offended. But then, unless somebody's flat-out lying, I'm pretty hard to offend. Unlike Lyons' erstwhile employers, who of course are known for their tasteful prime-time programming.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

As recounted by Andy Altman-Ohr:

Early in Friday's game, Marco Scutaro was included in a graphic with Frank Thomas and Nick Swisher noting their "0-fors" in the ALCS through two games. Lou Piniella scoffed that Scutaro was even included in the graphic, for although the shortstop had a super ALDS, expecting similar production would be "like finding a wallet on a Friday night and looking for one on Sunday and Monday, too."

Flash ahead several minutes later; the announcers had moved onto entirely different topics.

Piniella said the A's needed Thomas to get "en fuego" (hot in Spanish) because he was currently "frio" (cold).

"The bilingual Lou Piniella," play-by-play man Thom Brennaman intoned.

Then Lyons said, "Lou's habla-ing some Espanol there, and I'm still looking for my wallet." Some quiet laughter ensued.

"I don't understand him," Lyons continued, "and I don't want to sit close to him now."

As Altman-Ohr says, apparently it was a joke - but what was the joke, exactly? Maybe Neyer can tell us.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

By the way, I have a baseball signed by both Steve Lyons and Roger Clemens.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

Lyons is so foggily stupid it's impossible to discern what the hell he's trying to say.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

BEND OVER FOR DUSTY'S TOOTHPICK BEANER

If Beane makes Baker the A’s first African-American manager, this will boost attendance among black baseball fans. And who knows what this would mean to Oakland’s chances of choking off Fremont. Beane and Baker have strong personalities. Beane prefers managers who are acquiescent. However, if Beane truly wants to get to the World Series, he needs to bend from form.

Bend toward Dusty Baker.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

A WINNER IS YOU

Seriously, time to lock the thread because nothing can top that. Every line is a mindkiller. Like this one:

Twenty years ago, Baker wound up a splendid playing career in Oakland. So he has an understanding of how the A's organization works.

WHAAAAAAAAA*#$Y:$*@#U@*

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

well, whatshisname WAS in Oakland in the '80s. You know, that guy. He was in the Schwarz book.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

I don't remember seeing black people at Giants games.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

...says the A's fan.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

...says the A's fan.

To be fair, the A's crowds are no different.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

Well, barely different, anyway.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

Wwwwhat about Hammer and his entourage?

Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

I saw someone with Hammer pants but it was an eighty-year-old white lady.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

I watched a few minutes of freestyle inline skating today on ESPN. A Japanese guy won the event, and once his win became official, they showed him celebrating with his crew while the commentators said things like "they'll be drinking a lot of sake tonight!" and "it'll be sushi for the entire house later on!".

More offensive than what Lyons said?

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 21 October 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

White ppl eat like THIS...

japans ppl eat like THIS...

If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Saturday, 21 October 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

i had sushi and sake last night.

hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 21 October 2006 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

Beane + Baker would make for a terrific behinds the scenes reality show, though. Maybe they could sign Barry Bonds over the off-season for good measure.

milo z (mlp), Saturday, 21 October 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

jimmy mod drinks like ?

mookieproof (mookieproof), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

a drunk

If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:50 (nineteen years ago)

bless

mookieproof (mookieproof), Sunday, 22 October 2006 01:12 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
Keith Law dumps on Morneau as MVP because (a) OBP is apparently "overwhelm[ingly]" more important than slugging percentage and (b) Joe Mauer won the Gold Glove this year, apparently while craftily disguised as Ivan Rodriguez.

Does it get any less retarded after the "Insider" jump?

nate p. (natepatrin), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 02:14 (nineteen years ago)

(A) is right, and (B) is obviously wrong on the Gold Glove but correct on position importance.

Reading that, maybe he meant Mauer SHOULD have won the Gold Glove?

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 03:24 (nineteen years ago)

So you'd rather have a hitter that gets to first 43% of the time and scoring position 9% over someone who gets to first 37.5% of the time and scoring position 13%? 'Cause I can understand maybe if you factor in Mauer's baserunning (which Law doesn't) but if you boil it down to likelihood of acting as a scoring opportunity or at least OPS (which Mauer has an insurmountable .002 advantage in) the numbers doesn't exactly back up the argument that anyone who thinks Morneau is as good as or possibly better than Mauer is King Dipshit of Retard County.

A better case is obviously the defense question (edge Mauer no contest, though Morneau isn't that awful), along with Joe's role as a catcher (giving signals, settling down pitchers -- including rookies Bonser, Liriano and Garza) and the fact that Morneau credits a lot of his improvement and patience at the plate to hanging out with Mauer all the time. It's just not a hey-duh gimme going by offense alone.

And Pudge was maybe a hair better than Mauer at catcher (no fucking with a .998 FP and .500+ CS rate -- and at age 34!) so if he meant Mauer SHOULD have won the Gold Glove that would've also been kinda dopey.

nate p. (natepatrin), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 04:35 (nineteen years ago)

Actually come to think of it I'm grossly oversimplifying those OBP numbers as "gets to first" (how about "gets to at least first"?).

nate p. (natepatrin), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 04:38 (nineteen years ago)

So you'd rather have a hitter that gets to first 43% of the time and scoring position 9% over someone who gets to first 37.5% of the time and scoring position 13%?
Undoubtedly.

Player B creates 5.5% more outs than Player A. Outs are the most valuable thing in baseball blah blah blah. Every analysis I've seen points to OBP being roughly 100% more valuable for a 1-5 hitter and 50% more valuable for the 6-7 hitters, falling off more (I believe) for those hitting 8-9.

Joe's role as a catcher (giving signals, settling down pitchers -- including rookies Bonser, Liriano and Garza)
That's an argument akin to catcher ERA and intangibles. It may exist, but it's not something you look hard at. The real value of Mauer as catcher is that he's providing a top-5 offensive season playing at what is now, the absolute worst offensive position in baseball. (And also providing well above-average defense, icing on the cake)

Morneau was very good this year, but not spectacular for his position - it would be relatively easy to replace him with another first-tier player. Mauer, OTOH, was absolutely amazing compared to his fellow catchers.

If you go by WARP, Morneau was .6 wins better than Konerko and .1 better than Teixeira. Mauer was 1.6 wins better than the nearest catcher (Posada) and 3.8 better than Victor Martinez. That's a helluva gap.

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 05:31 (nineteen years ago)

Morneau was very good this year, but not spectacular for his position - it would be relatively easy to replace him with another first-tier player.

Which works for theoretical scenarios in sabermetricsland but seriously, are you familiar with Terry Ryan? "replace him with another first-tier player" is about as real-world monetarily feasible as "new stadium to be made of gold with unicorn-hide turf". I think the dude waits for someone else's candy purchase to get stuck in the vending machine so he can try to get a two-for-one.

As far as those other points, perhaps it is I who are the dumbass.

nate p. (natepatrin), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 05:41 (nineteen years ago)

i think santana was more valuable to the twins than either of them.

gear (gear), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 06:14 (nineteen years ago)

unicorn-hide turf

Surprisingly tough on the knees

Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 09:20 (nineteen years ago)

i think santana was more valuable to the twins than either of them.

-- gear (speed.to.roa...), November 22nd, 2006 6:14 AM. (gear) (later)

put the crack down, gear, and walk away.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

Keith Law is usually the best ESPN columnist for baseball, better than Neyer even. I have no opinion on this article.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

hstencil you can't believe justin morneau had more to do with the twins' playoff push than santana! i'm not saying the twins would have won the division without morneau, but they might have finished a game or two back. without santana, they might not even finish ahead of the white sox.

gear (gear), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

The Twins had a dominant Santana and a shitty Morneau in 2005, and "a game or two back" would've been nice that year.

nate p. (natepatrin), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

i'm not sure morneau would have changed much last year, considering how potent the indians and the white sox were. this year the competition was weaker and the twins were better, thanks to many factors including santana being good the entire year and not just the second half, plus mauer coming into his own, plus liriano, and yes morneau. morneau had a really excellent season obviously but to get all VORPy here i think a replacement level 1b in his stead would have still been enough to get the twins into the postseason, whereas a replacement level SP in santana's place would have been less likely to have been enough.

gear (gear), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

I can definitely see Santana technically as more deserving than Morneau or Mauer or Jeter or anyone considering how many plate appearances he has an effect on over a season, but if Maddux '95 and Pedro '99 can't win the damn thing then it's almost a moot point.

nate p. (natepatrin), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:52 (nineteen years ago)


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