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Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Saturday, 15 May 2004 09:33 (twenty years ago)

The Fantastic Four.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Saturday, 15 May 2004 09:33 (twenty years ago)

This is only half-helpful, because I don't know what's going on in the mainstream Marvel title (didn't they go bankrupt again or something? someone will know):

Ultimate Fantastic Four: Reed Richards, boy megagenius who's buddies with jock Ben Grimm, discovers Negative Zone as teenager without realizing it (he's been teleporting fruit and things to it); recruited by gov't for super-elite private school dealie run by Dr Franklin Storm, father of Sue & Johnny, boss of suspiciously Mole-looking Man; Victor Von Doom is another student at said school. Fast-forward some years to Reed's Negative Zone experiment going wacky wrong, everybody gets weird powers including Ben who's all freaked out and pissed by it. The Mole Man attacks cause he got fired and he has these subterranean buddies, the Four Friends smack him down.

It's typically Bendis Ultimate stuff, very similar to his first Ultimate Spidey arc, which works in some ways -- I like that the FF (who aren't called that yet) need time to figure out what their powers are, much less how to use them, and that their chemistry is going to be different since Sue & Johnny don't really know Ben -- even while I'm not sure how I feel about the team and Doom being in their late teens.

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 15 May 2004 12:01 (twenty years ago)

Tom would LOVE the "regular" FF now that they're being scripted by Mark Waid.

Brief subtlety-ignorant synopsis: Dr. Doom becomes makes pact with demons (involving the death of his true love) to gain magical powers and exact revenge on you-know-who. He kidnaps the Richard's kids, puts them IN HELL, eggs on the FF. FF travels to Latveria, meets up w/ Magick Doom, gets bushwacked. Dr. Strange gets involved, tries to help science-crazy Reed get his magick on. Ends up w/ big battle w/ Doom getting trapped in Hell (& Reed wanting to stay in Hell w/ Doom to make sure he doesn't come back), kids get rescued, as does Reed (against his wishes), BUT:

A) Doom scars Reed's face in a similar way to Doom's scarring, which leads to Reed going off the deep end, and becoming "beneficial" dictator of Latveria, trying to "help" the nation out but only becoming equally dictatorial & nutso
B) Doom pulls the out-of-body trick on the Invisible Girl, mucks around w/ the FF just as S.H.I.E.L.D. shows up & tries to put a kibbosh on these shenanigans.
C) The Thing gets killed in the resulting brou-ha-ha.

BUT, Reed invents a machine to travel into Heaven to rescue Ben's soul, so the FF hop on board, and they end up running into God (who, of course, is Jack Kirby), who allows the Thing to return, erases Reed's facial scars, and everything's copaceticy (except for the fallout of Reed going dictatorial, which means the cancelling of any sponsorships or research grants or any sort of $$$ the FF got for being the FF).

And that's where I took a break (strictly for financial purposes) - I'm really enjoying Waid's run, even if it got a bit hamfisted (during the tender, "Oh, Franklin's been in Hell, what can we do to break him out of his traumatic stupor" moments). This might feed into your anti-Waid arguments re: him fetishizing the "glory days", TT (or whatever your arguments actually are - I shouldn't reference them if I can't recall them), but I think it's good stuff. Warning: Mike Wieringo is the artist, so if you're not a fan of "cartoony" looking dramedy, step away.

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 15 May 2004 16:26 (twenty years ago)

Is teenaged Valeria still around? That was a character with a lot of potential, I thought. (I slowly tapered off when Claremont stopped writing.)

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 15 May 2004 18:50 (twenty years ago)

Q: Why is Maxwell Lord part-robot?

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Saturday, 15 May 2004 19:53 (twenty years ago)

A: Because Keith Giffen says so. What the hell happened in Breakdowns?

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Saturday, 15 May 2004 21:43 (twenty years ago)

Just one thing : there is no such thing as an ex-fanboy. Once a fanboy, always a fanboy.
Its like the phrase "lapsed catholic"...

David Nolan (David N.), Saturday, 15 May 2004 22:49 (twenty years ago)

I thought the Maxwell Lord / robot thing happened back in the Justice League's first year - his secretary (a Manhunter!) shot ML up, & the super-computer alien thing he was controlled by healed him with some computer bits...?

David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 16 May 2004 00:00 (twenty years ago)

David's answer is exactly what I was looking for. DEAR GOD.

OK, #2 - The Flash

(Other David - I know, I know. I meant ex-fanboys of the specific character)

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Sunday, 16 May 2004 10:26 (twenty years ago)

I think he changed his name to Sentinel.

Huck, Sunday, 16 May 2004 21:40 (twenty years ago)

Okay seriously, I'm not sure what happened with Maxwell Lord. I stopped reading during the General Glory story. I remember that Manhunter business though. But later on, he also had his meta-gene activated by the Invasion silliness and he could "convince" people really good, but he'd get a nosebleed.
But I'm pretty sure something major happened in Breakdowns. Was Guy Gardner leading the League for a while?

As for the Flash, where to begin, no really, where to begin? He's been through a lot, like dying for example. I think he and Jason Todd (1-900-KILL-ROBIN) are just about the only still-dead, and still-staying-dead heroes, except maybe the original Mr. Terrific (but he'll probably be back soon enough). So the Flash now is what used to be Kid Flash, Wally West. When he started his own series, which is at about #210 right now, he could barely break the speed of sound and was pimping himself out as courier. Then he won the lottery. Then a bunch of other stuff happened and he's faster than Barry Allen ever was now, and he doesn't even need a Cosmic Treadmill to get trans-dimensional (though I'm not sure if there are any other dimensions left, there might be, there's this thing called Hypertime that seems like the old Multiverse we knew and loved, but who can keep track?)(also, he should use the cosmic treadmill anyway, because it's really cool).

Huck, Monday, 17 May 2004 03:57 (twenty years ago)

Flash:

Went through a phase where all the Rogues decided that working together might actually defeat Flash once and for all. Failed, of course. Went into a final climactic battle with Zoom, where Zoom found Wally's wife Linda and caused her to spontaneously abort their twins. Zoom ends up going so fast he is held between time somehow - appears static to the rest of the world. Distraught Linda blames Flash.

Wally does a deal with the Hal Jordan Spectre to make him and Linda forget he's the Flash, and forget the battle with Zoom. He becomes a mechanic at the police dept, but eventually Flash powers start kicking in and he has to acknowledge he's the Flash after all. He decides to tell Linda, who leaves him.

(From memory, this, hence the 'something'-type caveats)

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:07 (twenty years ago)

Wow. This is like reading those soap-opera summaries that appear on the back page of the newspaper.

Jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:42 (twenty years ago)

Uncanny X-Men synopsis to thread!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 17 May 2004 13:08 (twenty years ago)

I think I'd be frightened of anyone who could do an understandable synopsis of the X-Men from any reasonably long-ago time (like Huck's going back as far as Barry dying, which needs to stop being important; in DC time, Wally's been the Flash considerably longer at this point; but that's a tangent) without skipping over huge swaths of continuity. I don't even any Marvel employees could do it. I doubt Hawkman could do it.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 17 May 2004 13:54 (twenty years ago)

I was just thinking of a Chuck Austen-era synopsis, which I might gloss over here just for giggles (for the 32nd time) (tho everything I know about Austen's chicanery I learned via the X-Axis, which, FYI Tep, has synopses and commentary regarding 100+ issues of Uncanny X-Men, starting with the first post-Claremont issue.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 17 May 2004 13:59 (twenty years ago)

I just didn't know how far back the Flash-Update needed to go...I could have posted my essay on the "Trial of the Flash" that somehow failed to get me into Law School. Not even Keystone U Law!

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Monday, 17 May 2004 14:02 (twenty years ago)

Actually, Buck, can you get me up to speed on what's going on w/ GL? Besides the shitass news that Hal Jordan's coming back?

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 17 May 2004 14:10 (twenty years ago)

Issue by issue synopses don't count! I suppose they're just as helpful, but they don't synthesize or bring plots together.

(I wasn't criticizing, Huck, just pointing out that that kind of scope would make an X-synopsis enormous and complicated; which is maybe the appeal of the X-titles sometimes, in a soap opera X-Files Buffy Alias kind of way.)

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 17 May 2004 14:23 (twenty years ago)

Okay, Kyle Rayner got the power of Ion. He was a very-parallax-like omnipotent whatever. He eventually gave the power up in order to restore Oa and reincarnate or possibly clone the Guardians. So now they're babies, except one, who is a very muscular/masculine chick-guardian.
After his friend/artist's assistant Terry Berg got gay-bashed, and Kyle Superman The Movie'd back in time to save him, Kyle decided to go to space for a while to ostensibly relaunch the Green Lantern Corps. John Stewart got a ring and just like in the cartoons, he's in the Justice League now.
So Kyle went undercover to infiltrate some gang, the Black Circle or something, who are run by the son of Abin Sur (the pink dude who died and gave Hal Jordan his ring back in Showcase #22). Kyle assembled a gang of ex-GLs, including a resurrected Kilowog (so Katma Tui, Tomar Re and the rest can't be far behind!), and during the big final confrontation (which involved the Thunderers of Qward in a plot to blow up the recently not-blown up Oa) one of them was revealed to be a traitor. So the big lady Guardian thing stabbed Kyle in the back (I think to get to Amon Sur, who was on the other side, I didn't read that issue) and next thing we see, Terry Berg is wearing the GL ring.
Next issue (the current one, unless there's a brand new one) begins Ron Marz's return to wind things down. Kyle comes back to earth, finds a dude in his shower. Turns out Jade (Kyle's g.f. and daughter of Alan Scott, the golden age GL) got tired of waiting around and some stockbroker or something, y'know, it happens.
So now Kyle is wandering around feeling sorry for himself. The JLA loves having John Stewart hanging out and nobody really missed Kyle when he was gone. Boo hoo hoo.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Monday, 17 May 2004 14:26 (twenty years ago)

Was Ion anything before Kyle got the power of it?

(... I don't know a better way to phrase that. Like, if Donald Duck got the power of the Phoenix, the Phoenix was still something we knew about before that, not something introduced for the sake of Donald blowing the shit out of Duckberg.)

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 17 May 2004 14:37 (twenty years ago)

Was Ion anything before Kyle got the power of it?

As far as I can tell, no. It was some sort of manifeset destiny thing or something. It was pretty lame except for the side-effect of getting him out of that terrible, terrible costume. I think one of the biggest reasons I couldn't get into comics in the 90s like I did in the 80s and I am in the Oh-Ohs, is that the costumes and hair were just too fucking lame.
Like Superman with his ridiculous mullet, which wasn't even as bad as Nightwing's coif-from-the-crypt, and I remember Changeling had pretty terrible hockey-hair too.
I'm still not clear on what they've done to Batman. Is it back to the Dave Mazzuchelli (sp??) Year One style or is it different still? Most of the time it looks okay, but the yellow oval was all right too. It even served a purpose. But whatev. Time marches on.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Monday, 17 May 2004 15:28 (twenty years ago)

So who can tell me what the fuck is up with Blue Beetle? I heard he used to be fat, and also has a heart condition!

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Monday, 17 May 2004 16:51 (twenty years ago)

the costumes and hair were just too fucking lame

http://images.tfaw.com/coverst/med/g/guygardnerwa2.jpg

Blue Beetle got fat at the end of Breakdowns, about the time Maxwell Lord was shot, brought back to life, then possessed by Dreamslayer before he killed the Silver Sorceress. In the new FKATJL series, he says he has a heart condition, but nothing comes of it.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Monday, 17 May 2004 17:43 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, okay, I was wondering if I missed something.
The funny thing is, Guy Gardner's hair actually got okay when the rest of him became intolerable.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Monday, 17 May 2004 17:50 (twenty years ago)

Post "Apocalypse 2001", those were the dark days of DC.
By the way, what happened to Waverider?

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Monday, 17 May 2004 20:14 (twenty years ago)

I just read something with him in it...oh yeah, Kingdom. I got it from the library. Yee-uck. He (and the rest of the Linear Men--DC's Time Cops) were also in the recent President Lex Superman collection.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Monday, 17 May 2004 20:30 (twenty years ago)

Wow, who says Marvel has cornered the market on melodrama? (Although that FF thing is amazing.)

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 May 2004 20:42 (twenty years ago)

what's Glen Madrox, the multiple man, up to these days?

Likewise Rom - Spaceknight.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 11:27 (twenty years ago)

Unless something has happened more recently that I don't know about, Marvel put out a Spaceknights miniseries (by Starlin!) about the next generation of Galadorians after Rom et al -- but they no longer had the license to do Rom comics, so couldn't mention him (or various others) by name. Rom is missing, and his two kids have to save the day when it turns out Dire Wraiths have infiltrated Galador and the spaceknights.

(I don't remember if Rom returns in the mini or not, or if they had to keep him missing.)

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 11:56 (twenty years ago)

Didn't Grant Morrison kill Madrox in that New X-Men where he introduced Fantomex? Or did he just kill hundreds of multiple men but not the original?

Anyway, I did just read that Peter David is writing a new Multiple Man title soon.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:16 (twenty years ago)

Who didn't Grant Morrison kill?

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:36 (twenty years ago)

Oh come now, he only killed Emma Frost for a little while, and Magneto twice, and Jean, and a couple of students, and the whole world except for Wolverine until it all got back to normal, and okay you might have a point there.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:46 (twenty years ago)

I was watching the Homicide Season 3 DVD and they made a pretty good case for killing characters off.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:50 (twenty years ago)

Is Northstar still gay? Is anyone else? Being the only gay man in the Marvel Universe seems a lonely destiny to me.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 15:45 (twenty years ago)

He can hang out with Beast. Wait, that was just a pretense though, right?

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 15:48 (twenty years ago)

Isn't Northstar Canadian too?

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 16:03 (twenty years ago)

Karma isn't a man, but she's gay.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 16:11 (twenty years ago)

hey jordan, i just read the first new x-men trade! sliehflsiehflsedf

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 16:20 (twenty years ago)

Gay Canadian Superheroes S/D!

OMG Tom Gr@nt M0rris0N pwnz!!111!!!1!

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 16:52 (twenty years ago)

drummers.

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:10 (twenty years ago)

http://www.kenmore-komics.com/images/actionfigures/drummer.jpg

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:13 (twenty years ago)

What's going on with the Legion of Super-Heroes these days? Are those brought-back-from-the-past "clone" kids still using those dumb early-'90s codenames and outfits? What are the adult Legion people up to?

morris pavilion (samjeff), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 19:04 (twenty years ago)

They're cancelled is what's going with them.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 19:19 (twenty years ago)

Really? Again? Too bad.

morris pavilion (samjeff), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 19:31 (twenty years ago)

the final storyline is even called "For No Better Reason."
I'm sure it'll only be a matter of time before their adventures start anew (esp. considering DC just announced the recent "Foundations" arc, introducing the cloned Superboy to the Legion, is being collected).

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 19:41 (twenty years ago)

Rom : remember in an issue of Peter David's Hulk run (drawn by Gary Frank, I think) when Rick opens up his closet and a load of old junk falls out including Rom's helmet & face-plate. No? Oh. Me neither.

David Nolan (David N.), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 22:54 (twenty years ago)

Okay, Longshot? I haven't read The Uncanny X-Men ever since Claremont stopped writing it.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 16:32 (twenty years ago)

God, what _did_ happen to Longshot? Didn't he kind of disappear into the bowels of Mojoworld with a pregnant Dazzler in tow?

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 18:25 (twenty years ago)

Mojoworld???

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 18:26 (twenty years ago)

Dude, Mojoworld was around from Longshot's first appearance, it's the place he's from. Rescind thy question marks, varmint!

And yeah, I'm pretty sure I asked this on rac.dcu and "he kind of disappeared" was the answer. Dazzler showed up later, there was the whole "is Shatterstar their son" question (answer: no), but Longshot himself, I don't think he'd shown back up yet at the time I asked.

(Varmint sounded funnier than varlet.)

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 18:38 (twenty years ago)

I've never heard of Mojoworld before. I thought Marvel was supposed to be the realistic one.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 19:00 (twenty years ago)

Dude, that's so early eighties. DC ownzzxors realism now. It's all police procedurals, except they have to keep the power rings in it for god only knows what reason.

(Slightly skewed viewpoint provided by lack of sleep.)

Vic Fluro, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 20:09 (twenty years ago)

I like how Vertigo was initially praised for its "realism." Like Swamp Thing and Sandman. Hellblazer, okay, sorta.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 20:13 (twenty years ago)

Vertigo was more realistic than the other comics the way indie movies are less formulaic than Hollywood ones. (i.e. not at all, you're exactly right.)

Arguably Swamp Thing had a more specific sense of place -- during some runs -- than mainstream superhero comics with their generic Big Cities As Battlegrounds, but that's only one small specific type of realism.

Mojoworld was like this .. other dimension thing ... Mojo is pretty lame, especially later, but the initial Longshot series is a lot of fun. I'm not sure if it's ever been collected; it used to be pretty expensive in back issues cause of Art Adams, but I don't know if he's still hot shit. (He should be.)

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 22:14 (twenty years ago)

Longshot was collected into a TPB - I've got it. Its got a strange tone, totally unlike any of the rest of the X-books at the time. Ann Nocenti wrote it, and she was generally a thoughtful & sensitive writer of Superhero stuff. When Claremont took him into the actual X-Men he messed that tone up instantly. But I always thought he was a cool character. And yeah, he lives in Mojoworld - which is no longer really Mojoworld since Mojo was deposed, was he/she not? - with Dazzler and the X-Babies....

Vertigo & realism: I always thought that the main difference between the Vertigo "universe" (if such a thing exists) and the mainstream DCU/MU was just the absence of superheroes. In Vertigo, ordinary people are far more likely to encounter magic beings/monsters/vampires/Gods/Death as a goth-chick etc. Plus the whole "gritty" thing always seemed to me to be just a translated British aesthetic. Hence more rain, more depressed characters, more Alan Moore rip-offs....anybody who grew up with British TV felt right at home....

David Nolan (David N.), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:33 (twenty years ago)

Gaiman had or quoted a description of the Vertigo universe (which would have included the ongoing series at the time but not all of the minis), but I don't remember it offhand ... what it comes down to is you have to not think about it. A major city gets destroyed in Shade, which still exists in the DC Universe; Shade crosses over with Hellblazer, and Constantine clearly coexists with the DCU; Swamp Thing crosses over with Batman and Superman but in the title's latter days it seems increasingly unlikely that his world has superheroes in it; Animal Man was a member of the Justice League, but definitely doesn't have superheroes in his world when he goes all apeshit; but all the major titles intersected with the Children's Crusade.

I think Vertigo -- and that sort of continuity -- is basically what broke me of being the kind of fanboy I was when I was 10-14 and would figure out how old Flash Thompson was based on his having gone to Vietnam.

But yeah, ultimately it was an aesthetic more than anything else, which is a good way to approach an imprint, I think, because it tells you a lot more than a list of shared facts does. But since that first wave, first generation, I'm less and less convinced the imprint has really "stood" for anything.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:42 (twenty years ago)

Didn't the American Scream turn up in The Spectre or something ridiculous?

Vic Fluro, Thursday, 20 May 2004 08:27 (twenty years ago)

It only stood for anything in the first place because they were all Karen Berger's babies, based on her raiding 2000AD for fresh blood when Alan Moore started wowing people. It went wrongways in a hurry: people seem to have forgotten Vamps, which makes Bite Club sound like F. Scott Fitzgerald.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 20 May 2004 08:38 (twenty years ago)

Okay: So What happened in Zero Hour and Kingdom Come?

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Thursday, 20 May 2004 21:05 (twenty years ago)

Zero Hour was so boring I can't even remember properly. But it was connected (by the character Waverider) to the Kingdom, Kingdom Come's not-even-one-tenth-as-good sequel.

Kingdom Come was an Elseworlds series, outside continuity. In which the world has basically become over-run by 2nd & 3rd generation superbeings (just like, oh, let me think, oh yes : Image characters) who spend their time having massive and destructive battles across the globe for no apparent purpose and with no regard for mere mortals in their midst. Superman is hiding out in the Fortress of Solitude because the Joker killed Lois and another Hero came along with a harder edge and stole his fanbase (just like, let me think, oh yes : Image characters), Batman has had his secret Identity exposed and lives, crippled, in the batcave, controlling Gotham with gigantic robotic bat-sentinels, Aquaman has retreated to Atlantis with a nice twofinger salute to the surface, Green Lantern lives in space waiting for aliens to attack, the Flash just runs around all day stopping crime but so fast nobody ever sees him etc etc.
Then the Spectre comes along and takes this old preacher behind the scenes as different sides (Lex Luthor & a load of villains, Wonder Woman & a newly enthused Superman, Batman and his mates) plot to stop all the fighting and take over the world.
In a nutshell.
what happens?
A big fight-scene.

David Nolan (David N.), Thursday, 20 May 2004 22:14 (twenty years ago)

Kingdom Come was the first superhero comic I'd read in over 12 years. I'd picked up a 100 Bullets a few months earlier.

Zero Hour was just a big lame cross-over event where they took a big dump on Hal Jordan.

Huck, Friday, 21 May 2004 02:07 (twenty years ago)

They're kind of at opposite ends of the pendulum of What Tom Hated About 90s Comics - shock-value pandering vs conservative pandering.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Saturday, 22 May 2004 07:02 (twenty years ago)

What's up with Harvey Bullock? Some big Gotham Central deal now with him.

And what's this business going on with the current Wonder Woman? Diana is the original, yes? Who's this Vanessa/Silver Swan, and what's she to Diana?

Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Saturday, 22 May 2004 18:43 (twenty years ago)

I think Harvey's coming back to shake up GCPD, which they need, because they're mostly a bunch of goody-goody's. Bearing the Homicide: Life on the Street parallels in mind, I hope Harv is more of a Gaffney than than a Bolander, but he better not be a Gardy.

As for WW, more Whatever Woman.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 17:20 (twenty years ago)

What's up with Booster Gold and also Fire & Ice (I think they were called that? Yeah, I know, some fanboy, I read the books in portuguese, gimme a break)

Is Gen13 perished and gone forever? It certainly would deserve that, but out of sentimental reasons I'd still like to know what happened to them, lame as they were.

What's up with Emma Frost?? And Generation X in general? Jubilee, Banshee?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 28 May 2004 00:58 (twenty years ago)

emma frost = one of handful of survivors of the obliterated genosha due to newly acquired ability to become "organic diamond"; moved to forefront of x-men plotlines during grant morrison's run; after lengthy "psychic adultery" with scott is murdered by someone (not entirely clear on who); brought back to life via phoenix thingumajig; as of now is an item with scott, after jean's death

don't really know about those others.

tom west (thomp), Friday, 28 May 2004 01:24 (twenty years ago)

Booster Gold/Fire & Ice:

Covered in last year's Giffen & McGuire reuniting 'Formerly Known As The Justice League', where Maxwell Lord tries to reassemble 'his' JLA/I/E/Antarctica as a money making scheme (obviously). Gets those three (although actually, now I think about it, Ice may not have been in it), Blue Beetle, Captain Atom, Mary Marvel. They save the world and split up but think about getting back together (and another miniseries is in the offing).

Booster was living as the toyboy of an old millionairess, but joins when she kicks him out. Fire was running a pr0n site of her as Fire.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 28 May 2004 07:54 (twenty years ago)

I think Ice is dead. I have no idea how, and I think there was some other Norwegian Ice Goddess who took her place for a while.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Friday, 28 May 2004 13:32 (twenty years ago)

Chris Claremont completely ruined Longshot, this is a grudge I will hold for the forseeable future.

Josh Anomaly (josh_anomaly), Friday, 28 May 2004 14:14 (twenty years ago)

TS: Claremont's post Fall-Of-The-Mutants run vs Sovereign Seven

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 29 May 2004 14:57 (twenty years ago)

GEE I WONDER.

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 29 May 2004 16:17 (twenty years ago)

I actually forgot that Sovereign Seven ever existed. I was happy to have forgotten, too. But now I remember. Thanks, Venga Dan....

David Nolan (David N.), Saturday, 29 May 2004 22:33 (twenty years ago)

Can anyone tell me what happened in the last episode of Roseanne?

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:19 (twenty years ago)

The two Beckys fought to the death.

el Huckle-huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:46 (twenty years ago)

Which one was the clone?

Lazer Guided Mellow Leee (Leee), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:31 (twenty years ago)

Jackie!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:36 (twenty years ago)

Does that mean that Roseanne Barr = Mojo?

Darleen is Wolverine....

David Nolan (David N.), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 21:42 (twenty years ago)

Weren't they all about the Vertigo?

Huck, Wednesday, 2 June 2004 04:00 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but that's boring - Darleen = Death; Jackie = Delerium; Roseanne = Despair; etc etc etc.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 12:53 (twenty years ago)

Sandra Bernhard = Sabretooth?

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 16:34 (twenty years ago)

Since someone brought up The Dazzler, what happened to Moon Knight? Did he go away forever after I stopped reading him in the 80's?

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 16:55 (twenty years ago)

Holy crap, if Roseanne = Vertigoverse, then Dan = Swamp Thing?!?!? (or Monsieur Mallah)

I THINK Moon Knight died (in unceremonious fashion); there was a time, after Steve Engelhart employed him in some wacky West Coast Avengers time-travel shenanigans, that he came back (with his own spiffy title - art by the splendiferous Sal Velluto at first), but then he bottomed out 60 issues later. He might be back in some capacity, though. I vaguely remember (or want to remember) Priest using him in Black Panther...?

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 18:16 (twenty years ago)

If Dan=Swamp Thing, does DJ=Tefe?

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 18:33 (twenty years ago)

You just minded my blow.

PS - DJ = Rebis.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 18:52 (twenty years ago)

Darlene's boyfriend=Brother Power the Geek

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 18:59 (twenty years ago)

George Clooney's foreman character = John Constantine

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 19:03 (twenty years ago)

Yeah Moon Knight is still just doing his Batman-ripoff thing in some quiet corner of the Marvel Universe, waiting for a decent creative team to use him...

After West Coast Avengers his title was relaunched, never rose above the mediocre, was truly awful when he was given a new costume - armour!! during the period when every Marvel character including Daredevil had to wear armour -and then was put out of its misery.

He pops up in guest-spots in various books every so often. Priest did use him in Black Panther.

I always loved the character for no reason other than the fact that his costume is cool...

David Nolan (David N.), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 21:54 (twenty years ago)

Did the Hulk wear armor?

Huk-L, Thursday, 3 June 2004 00:39 (twenty years ago)

No, but he had a codpiece.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 3 June 2004 01:01 (twenty years ago)

He had a jumpsuit for a while....

David Nolan (David N.), Thursday, 3 June 2004 09:58 (twenty years ago)

what about that Kung Fu bloke that Marvel had in the 1970s?

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 3 June 2004 11:14 (twenty years ago)

You mean Chuck Norris?

Huk-L, Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:43 (twenty years ago)

Shang-Chi! Which translates as "the rising and advancing of the spirit", iirc. That comic turned me on to Fleetwood Mac, since Moench (right?) was a fan, and one scene had "Rhiannon" lyrics floating over Gulacy's imagery. Around '93 or so, he had a good run in the "Marvel Comics Presents" series (a.k.a. "Milk the Completist Wolverine Fans"). Leiko Wu is kidnapped, tortured, loses her hand. Shang-Chi and the gang to the rescue. Not only does he learn she's had an affair (even though they were on a "break" or perhaps not together at all), Shang-Chi gets doused with a lethal virus. In a later one-shot, Shang-Chi is cured by the last vial of his father Fu Manchu's eternal life elixir. Not sure where he's at currently, but I think he's cropped up at least once since then.

Unless you meant Iron Fist? Not sure what the latest scoop on him is, but Iron Fist's origin story, where both his parents are killed by wolves as they push young Danny to safety - very memorable.

Chris Hill (Chris Hill), Thursday, 3 June 2004 16:37 (twenty years ago)

Shang-Chi either had a Marvel Knights title or appeared in the Marvel Knights team book (Chuck Austen? Chuck Dixon? Chuck E Cheese?) in the past couple years. No idea what went on with him in it, though.

Is his father still officially Fu Manchu? I think I remember something about Marvel no longer having the rights to FM and either retconning that or just not mentioning him by name anymore.

Iron Fist had a miniseries recently -- Iron Fist/Wolverine? -- that brought K'un-L'un to Earth or destroyed it entirely, I don't remember which. Boy, that's helpful, isn't it?

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 3 June 2004 16:56 (twenty years ago)

What's up with Marvel Girl/Valeria Von Doom these days? Other than the terrible, terrible FF annual from just after (maybe it was during) his run, I haven't seen her since around the time of Claremont's run on FF, when he introduced her. Everyone hated on her but me.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 3 June 2004 17:01 (twenty years ago)

Shang Chi was in a 2-part X-Men story a few years ago during the Lobdell/Pacheco run. And Doug Moench did a one-shot with Gene Day's brother (Dan?) in the style/spirit of the original series at some point during the 90s. He was in Marvel Knights, was he not?
Fu Manchu is still his father but never mentioned by name.
One of the great comic experiences of my life was finding a load of Master of Kung fu issues (about 60) at a sale-of-work for £2 when I was about 13. Pretentious scripts, brilliant art, cool villains,James Bond/Bruce Lee ripoffs : Great stuff...

Iron Fist has a miniseries running currently, doesn't he? And he appeared in the most recent issue of Daredevil...anyone remember "Heroes For Hire". I think it was called that, anyway...

David Nolan (David N.), Thursday, 3 June 2004 23:54 (twenty years ago)

Ha - at the rate it's been (not) selling, David, that new Iron Fist series you mentioned WILL be limited.

Why wasn't Iron Fist ever in the Defenders?

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 4 June 2004 03:27 (twenty years ago)

He's scared of elves with guns.

(True Confession: I was about to say "he was!" and then realized that was fanfic I'd written.)

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:31 (twenty years ago)

Is there an ESSENTIAL DEFENDERS? I need a fix of that Sub-Mariner black vest suit.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:37 (twenty years ago)

Not yet released, Amazon says -- holy fuck, look at this. ESSENTIAL SUPERVILLAIN TEAM-UP?! And ESSENTIAL IRON FIST!

I hope these are genuine, and not weird little oh-if-onlies that made it into Amazon's system. None of them have release dates listed.

There really should be, what, four or five ESSENTIAL DEFENDERS volumes, if I remember the chronology of the good parts right.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:48 (twenty years ago)

Essential Iron Fist - that should include the first Sabretooth appearance. Hoping 1) the Ray Park "Iron Fist" flick happens, and 2) it's true to the early IF comics.

Speaking of "Heroes for Hire", anyone else remember the running gag feud between Luke Cage and his coffee machine?

Chris Hill (Chris Hill), Friday, 4 June 2004 15:05 (twenty years ago)

FIVE? Tep, you crazy.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 4 June 2004 15:08 (twenty years ago)

Tep, any Defenders talk should now go in this thread.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 4 June 2004 15:09 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...
Ask and ye shall receive.

Your Lord and Savior (AaronHz), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 05:47 (twenty years ago)

So, are eastman and laird's ninja turtles comics still around?

AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 05:49 (twenty years ago)

I want to know what happens in Cerebus after Church & State. Well, I only kind of do, since I do plan to read it eventually. I guess I I want to know what happened to the West Coast Avengers after issue 60-something.

Ian c=====8 (orion), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 06:16 (twenty years ago)

Last time i read spiderman, Mary jane was killed in a plane accident... Did this stick?

stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 06:43 (twenty years ago)

No, she's still walking around and they're even married up and everything. No spiderbaby though.

Vic Fluro, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 07:42 (twenty years ago)

TMNT is still around (or rather, it's back), and I think I remember someone telling me there are two books for it now ... ? Laird doing one, Peter David doing the other. The David one I'm positive of, that one I've seen. (Eastman, as far as I know, doesn't do comic books anymore and is content to sit in his Batmobile with his softcore wife.)

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 12:35 (twenty years ago)

What happens in Cerebus after Church & State?

Everything

I was actually thinking about starting a Cerebus precis thread, this might just about be an excuse...

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:33 (twenty years ago)

Laird's TMNT is still going; Peter David's got shitcanned.

Brief Spider-Man update: MJ is alive, Aunt May knows he's Spidey, Flash Thompson was in a coma (darn that Green Goblin) & is now wheelchair bound, Parker's a school teacher, and he just rec'd a 20-year-old letter from Gwen Stacy POSTMARKED ONE MONTH AGO (or something like that). And Spidey whupped up on some baddies.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 16:07 (twenty years ago)

Should the whole Ezekiel thing be explained? Maybe we can gloss that over.

(My glossing it over: Dude with Spider-powers shows up, and is all, "Yo P, here's the thing, that spider that bit you: is the radiation what gave you your powers, or did it just kill the spider afterwards, and the spider would've given you powers one way or the other?" I'm suspicious of these modern attempts to remove the embarrassing radiation aspect from superhero origins, but luckily, so is Peter. They haven't yet turned him into Arach-Thing, the Spider Elemental.)

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 16:11 (twenty years ago)

I think that Ezekiel thing was resolved in recent issues; unfortunately, those are the issues I missed (excepting the denouement, where Ezekiel is like "whoa" and sacrifices himself to save puny Parker). I also missed the beginning of the Ezekiel thing, so essentially my exposure to Ezekiel = seeing some bearded guy in a 3-piece sticking to flagpoles & shooting the metaphysical shit w/ Spidey like Donald Sutherland in Animal House.

(Note: for the most part, Ezekiel / totem included, I am a fan of JMS' Spidey run; I'm not sure my tone above conveys that, though.)

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 16:16 (twenty years ago)

I am too -- my skepticism of the Ezekiel stuff exceeds my disappointment with it, if you see what I mean. I'm still skeptical, cause (although I missed the end of it; the JMS Spidey is something I pick up sporadically for some reason) once it's introduced ... well, JMS won't be writing the title forever, and at some point some DeMatteis-wannabe is going to come along and try to be New and Daring and make Spidey all mystical-Animal-Man-Swamp-Thing-etc., and the only thing that could make that not suck is casting Ben Urich in the Constantine role.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 16:35 (twenty years ago)

But Urich's already Constantine to Daredevil's Swamp Thing! That's a lot of midwifing to handle for one supporting character.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 16:54 (twenty years ago)

The day Daredevil swims through the Blank to get across the world and hops out of some other blind guy's eyes, then I'll worry about Ben Urich's workload. Until then, bring it on!

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 17:05 (twenty years ago)

That'll turn into that thing where you can't sit on a red chair in case it's Plastic Man.

"Ready to plan the Bank Job, boss?"
"Sure, boys - WAIT! Get Vinnie No-Eyes outta here - NOOOOO! DAREDEVIL!!"

Vic Fluro, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 21:18 (twenty years ago)

"The day Daredevil swims through the Blank to get across the world and hops out of some other blind guy's eyes, then I'll worry about Ben Urich's workload. Until then, bring it on! "

Didn't something like this happen during the Nocenti run?

JMS Spidey : really not to my taste. But then I havent loved any spidey properly since Roger Stern left Amazing waaaaay back when I was a kid. That Roger Stern run was incredible...

David N (David N.), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 22:42 (twenty years ago)

As I discussed upthread, What Happens In Cerebus After Church & State (including before C&S)

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 1 July 2004 12:18 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
Does anyone know whether the Shadow revamp in the 80's was ever continued after the Shadows head was severed and attached to a robot body - I know that sounds really bad, but I was gutted when they cancelled that book.

Evil_Monkey, Wednesday, 21 July 2004 04:22 (twenty years ago)

Was that Denny O'Neill's version of The Shadow?

Huck, Wednesday, 21 July 2004 05:14 (twenty years ago)

Helfer and Sienkiewicz (sp?) with art being picked up by someone else later on. I recall it was a mini, followed by a a year or so of monthly's.

DFM (DFM), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 05:20 (twenty years ago)

It got to about 20 issues I think. Billy The Sink did the first 6 then Kyle Baker took over. Superb. I have the page 15 of #18 on one of my walls - the twins have just shot down the helicopter and its rotor is about to take off the Shadow's head.

"The Shadow Strikes!", a more pulp-based book ran for longer, somewhat bizarrely.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 06:50 (twenty years ago)

That was a quality title. So was it the lack of numbers that killed it or infamous creative differences with DC?

DFM (DFM), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 07:11 (twenty years ago)

I found this explanation on a Shadow fansite:

The Shadow made an appearance in Batman's issue #253. DC Comics published a 12 issue series from 1973 to 1975, featuring art by Mike Kaluta and Berni Wrightson. This is considered (and deservedly so) one of the best adaptations. Issue #11 features an appearance by The Avenger, another pulp character. Howard Chaykin tried to update the character in 1986's four-issue The Shadow for DC, with great success. There was another series in 1987, by Andrew Helfer and Kyle Baker, with 19 issues. According to Tim Elliott, "The Baker/Helfer series was probably the best written series among them all, but was cancelled at the request of Condé Nast, not due to weak sales, but they disliked what DC was doing with the character. DC had no choice but to abruptly cancel the series, but restarted with the good but still inferior The Shadow Strikes!, returning the character to the 1930's." It lasted 31 issues, until Dark Horse obtained the rights for the character before DC could renew their license.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 08:10 (twenty years ago)

Some opposition to the severed head Shadow then! No accounting for taste.

DFM (DFM), Thursday, 22 July 2004 06:40 (twenty years ago)

I think that every fictional character should mark their 65th or 70th or whatever year in existence by having their severed head placed on a robot body. That would be cool, and very Futuramic.

Huck, Thursday, 22 July 2004 13:49 (twenty years ago)

Thinking about it it has probably happened to every 65-70 year old fictional character already, except possibly fictional robots.

DFM (DFM), Monday, 26 July 2004 01:34 (twenty years ago)

Google search for "batman" and "robot" turned this up (which might be the coolest thing ever!)
(and since it's somebody's family homepage, I'll just post a link to save on their bandwidth, since this is probably the most popular thread in the history of the universe) http://www.johannessen.net/galleri/erik_3.gif

Huck, Monday, 26 July 2004 15:38 (twenty years ago)

"Batman battles evil monster" is a fine piece of art as well: http://www.johannessen.net/galleri/erik_4.gif

huck, Monday, 26 July 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago)

Fabulous.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 26 July 2004 15:42 (twenty years ago)

five months pass...
Laziness, this, but I'm being sent to see the Elektra movie and she's one of the gaps in my all-encompassing comic knowledge-nerdness. So, erm, does anyone mind briefing me on whats-the-deal-with-Elektra? (I have, I should say, been reading the recent Bendis Daredevils)

Chrchuckis Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 7 January 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)

Besides the Bendis stuff, I've only read one collection of Frank Miller's Daredevil, but it was the one with the first (I think) Elektra stuff.

Basically she was the daughter of an overprotective Greek millionaire. Matt Murdock dated her in college and he used his secret ninja-like skillz to sneak around her bodyguards and s3x her up. Then terrorists took over the school and captured her and her father, possibly holding him for ransom (can't remember). Matt put on a mask for the first time and did some superhero shit but Elektra's daddy got killed anyway. She decided that THE WORLD IS COLD AND BLACK and went off to become a ninja-assassin-for-hire devoid of emotion. Personally, I think she overreacted.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 7 January 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

She also worked for the Kingpin for a while. I can't remember who taught her her secret ninja skillz. According to IMDB, cute Croatian man from ER is playing Matt Miller, which is a bit of a strange choice.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 7 January 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

She was taught her secret ninja skills by THE HAND. Which is different from THE FOOT.

Who's Matt Miller again?

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 7 January 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

I don't know. My brain isn't working and for some reason I thought they meant Matt Murdock.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 7 January 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)

From the IMDB frontpage:

Elektra is gifted and cursed with kimagure, a limited ability to see the future, but even she can't predict what will happen when she takes her next job

Oh my.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 7 January 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

Elektra: Dentist!

Huk-L, Friday, 7 January 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

(NB I've never actually read an Elektra book, so for all I know this is canon)

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 7 January 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

Wait, she's sent out on a job by The Hand?

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 January 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

Which would make it a...Dan Perry, ladies & gentleman!

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 7 January 2005 19:23 (twenty years ago)

It's not like I wasn't already going to see the movie; they don't need to pander to me like this.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 January 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

They pander because they can, Dan.

Huk-L, Friday, 7 January 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

S*xual Harassment Pander!

Chris Hill (Chris Hill), Friday, 7 January 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

No, he's called Mark Miller, which is nothing like a comics writer currently using Elektra in the latest Wolverine arc.

Also, it's v. important to note that she was murdered by DD's arch-wival, Bullseye, resurrected by The Hand, purified of evil by DD, reinfected by The Hand, and was asked out on a date by the Punisher. As we know, in real life, Jennifer Garner would probably scrunch up Thomas Jane by the balls than date him.

Captain GRRRios' Giggletits (Barima), Saturday, 8 January 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

and was asked out on a date by the Punisher

Did this happen in the Punisher/Archie crossover?

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 10 January 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)

what's going on with captain carrott?

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 10 January 2005 01:06 (twenty years ago)

I think he died in Crisis!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 10 January 2005 05:53 (twenty years ago)

oh oh silver surfer!! what is he up to these days!!

i wasn't just a fanboy i wanted to DATE HIM! (i wz ten) (so it probably wouldn't have worked out)

mark s (mark s), Monday, 10 January 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

Silver Surfer has no comic at the mo', he's probably just chillin' with Galactus. I was looking for Silver Surfer TPB's the other week, but there was nothing in Forbidden Planet.

Dudes, what happened to the Vision? Is he still all white? Is he still with the Scarlett Witch? (I totally never got that relationship - hot chick and emotionless android, didn't they have a kid?). Haven't kept up with the Vision since the days of Avengers West Coast. Though, I'm reading the Kree - Skrull War TPB at present.

jel -- (jel), Monday, 10 January 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)

Aldo, what's up with the Omega Men?

Huk-L, Monday, 10 January 2005 18:06 (twenty years ago)

Haha wasn't their kid imaginary????

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 10 January 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

I guess the vision's cum must have consisted of tiny spermbots, otherwise how'd ol' scarlett get pregnant? I never thought about this back then, I fear I have been corrupted.

jel -- (jel), Monday, 10 January 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

I thought the Silver Surfer had some fancy new book out, if only a couple of issues (and a number of missed deadlines).

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 10 January 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

Didn't they read Legion of Superheroes? Don't they know what happens when Magic & Science collide?
http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/2835/200/2835_2_62.jpg

Huk-L, Monday, 10 January 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

Kid = imaginary -> Scarlet Witch = crazy -> Vision = dead

(Avengers disassembled, disassembled)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 10 January 2005 21:21 (twenty years ago)

Jel, that is wickedly disgusting.

In a Vision & Scarlet Witch maxi-series (by Steve Engelhart) (why, yes, I think there was an appearance by Mantis in there somewhere), Wanda "willed" herself pregnant through her "chaos magic". What Bendis did in Avengers Disassembled is reveal Wanda's "chaos magic" to be reality-warping powers, meaning her children didn't exist - this sorta tapped into an old John Byrne West Coast Avengers arc, involving Master Pandemonium & Wanda going "bad" (see also: a good number of Byrne books - Malice, Big Barda doing porn, Marinna & Aurora in Alpha Flight - sexy sexy). There was also some inferred nastiness involving Agatha Harkness' dessicated corpse - I forget if her being alive was part of Wanda's reality power dealie or not. Anyway, Wanda snaps, things go kaflooey, Ultron & the Kree & a whole load of baddies (thanks to warped reality) converge on Avengers Mansion, and everyone (= Hawkeye, The Vision, Ant-Man) dies. Relaunch & disgruntled BMB fandom & multiple covers ensue.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 06:02 (twenty years ago)

I read b4rim4's post as "Jennifer Garner would probably scrunch up Thomas Jane by the balls then date him."

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 06:28 (twenty years ago)

Silver Surfer had a 14 issue series (all one storyline, but I assume it was meant to be a monthly and not a 14 issue miniseries) that ended recently -- I have mixed feelings about it which I think come down to "they did some things really well" (throughout most of the comic, we see the Surfer from human characters' point of view, so he can stay Very Powerful And Alien and we don't have to worry about whether we like him or not; in the opening arc, he's abducting children) and "some things sucked" (a lot of Tarot Cards And Starhawk Section Of The Bookstore mumbo-jumbo, a tossed-off reference to "the singularity" that doesn't seem to have anything to do with the singularity that dominates contemporary science fiction, not a single damn person recognizes him as the Silver Surfer even though he's been established before as a very well-known superhero and I'd bet all the donuts in heaven that he's pulled that omnipotent character "I am speaking to the whole work at once, look upon my shiny dome, ye mighty, and despair" trick at least twice).

Okay, so it sounds like the suck outnumbered the good, and the New Age shit was too much like a fluffier, more heavily patchoulied version of Steven Grant's already-far-too-patchoulied X-Man. But it started off on the right track.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

"whole world at once," not "whole work." But maybe Norrin has a strong Zenn-Lavian accent.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

Thanks Daver and Andrew!

Man, I wish they'd stop getting things so messed up that they have to start over.

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

Haruki Murakami should write Silver Surfer! I think he'd do a good job, seriously.

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

Surfer would spend the whole time looking for Shalla-Bal! (This is not a bad thing.)

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)

Okay, so I'm thinking about picking up the new Spider-Man/Human Torch mini. What's been going with Spider-Man since I last read of him?
The last thing I read, he had just lost his Cosmic Powers. Please be thorough, but keep it brief. THANKS!

Huk-L, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

MJ pregnant, MJ pissed, oh no MJ dead? No! Just pissed. MJ back.

Aunt May knows his secret ID, oh no Aunt May dead! No! Just fake. Aunt May back.

Ezekiel guy shows up with spider powers, "did the radiation cause the spider to give you your powers, or did it just kill the spider who was going to give you your powers anyway?", "huh?", "LOOK OUT, TOTEM BAD GUYS!", "aiiiie", "You are the Spider-Messiah, the Spider-Elemental," handwave handwave, "oh no I am a giant spider!", "now I'm not yay!," "hey I can hear bugs!"

Norman Osborn seduced Gwen Stacy, Gwen Stacy pregnant, Gwen Stacy has magic kids, magic kids angry at Spider-Man.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

I don't know what happened to the Parker baby, I wasn't reading; and when Aunt May came back from the dead (i.e. it was revealed the dead one was an actress), she didn't know his ID. I'm not sure if she's since found it out "again" (the fake Aunt May said she'd known all along).

Wait, were the cosmic powers post-Reilly, or did you miss the whole clone saga? Cause I'm not gonna sum that up.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

I actually only read the one issue where he loses the Cosmic Powers, was it the Captain Marvel suit or something?
Oh, and I guess I lied, I did recently read the trade that has the Ezekial/high school teacher thing in it.

Huk-L, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

Captain Universe -- 70s (80s?) era Marvel plot device where these aliens like beamed superpowers to someone chosen for being at the right place at the right time to stop a catastrophe, something like that. I don't think anyone's used it since Spidey got the cosmic powers, cause that sort of seemed like the final word on the device.

If you know about Ezekiel and him teaching at high school, I think you're pretty much caught up in terms of anything that'll be referenced -- the Gwenspawn stuff probably won't come up in the miniseries since it's still playing out in the regular monthlies.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

And besides, it's Dan Slott and Ty Templeton (i love Ty Templeton), it's gonna be goofy superhero action! Right?

Huk-L, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)

All that Spiderman stuff Tep posted baffles me. Magic green goblin Gwen kids? What the...

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

Wait a minute..."I can hear bugs"???

Huk-L, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, the Avengers Disassembled arc turns him into a giant spider for a bit, and when he turns back to normal, he has a) organic webshooters, and b) extended Spider-sense, so he can hear bugs now (I don't remember if he can talk to them Aquaman-style or if this is like the explanation of how the Spider-sense works, like he's actually overhearing a couple of ants talking about how that pumpkin bomb is going to smack that big blue-and-red human in the ass if he doesn't move).

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

(The Gwenspawn aren't actually out-and-out magic, but there's some kind of hoobie doobie malarkey explaining where they aged super-fast or something, so that they can be full-grown now even though the Marvel clock is set so that everything in the history of all comics ever happened last Thursday after lunch.)

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

"You are the Spider-Messiah, the Spider-Elemental,"

Er, what exactly is a spider elemental? Is that like a gigantic ur-spider made up of tiny Mandelbrot spiders?

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 21:53 (twenty years ago)

It's like the Swamp Thing of spiders -- or the Animal Man of spiders, I guess. I think. But your version is much, much cooler. If I find the Being J. Michael Straczynski door, I'm going to push you through it.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 22:40 (twenty years ago)

For clarification's sake, insert the following blah between "handwave handwave" and "oh no I am a giant spider!":

LOTS OF STUPID STUPID STUPID OUT OF CHARACTER MOVIE-RELATED PSEUDO-RETCONNING CRAP (not done by JMS)

Tep was way too nice about it.

I am Fanboy; hear me wheeze as I climb a flight of stairs.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 00:06 (twenty years ago)

I've only read like two issues of Jenkins' Spider-stuff since the reign of JMS began, and none of Millar's is-it-or-isn't-it-canon, so I was hazy there anyway -- I think I know more from Newsarama articles than from the actual comics. ("If you read TV Guide, you don't need a TV!")

I should add, though -- and I think David agrees with me, if I remember other threads -- that for all the mockability when you talk about what actually happened, the Spider-comics are better right now than they were for a looooong time (i.e. not just the Spider-clone stuff -- some of which I didn't mind, there was just too much of it -- but the general blandness of what came before it, for most of the 90s).

Oh, speaking of which, Mile High has updated their Marvel Previews (full issue), which include the second issue of the current ASM arc.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 01:21 (twenty years ago)

Paul Jenkins' Spidey run (which began about a year or two before JMS' arrival on Amazing) was fantastic up until the reboot of Peter Parker: Spider-Man as Spectacular. I'll even go so far as to include the first year of Spectacular w/ Jenkins' best - however, the last year or so has been lackluster at best, especially the "Spidey make web" crap.

If you want primo Jenkins Spidey action, though - w/ art by Mark Buckingham of Fables! in 4/6-panel-per-page mode (so nice) - check out almost anything between #20 & #46 of Peter Parker: Spider-Man. The first few issues in particular - where I guess PP is still dealing w/ MJ's "death" or something - do more w/ Peter's relationship w/ Uncle Ben, & himself, than anything that's come before or since. Also, the few new villains that PJ introduces - including Typeface & a gang of mimes - are charmingly crappy in an Enforcer / Ringmaster / Spider-Slayer kind of way. #46 kicked off a 4-part story w/ PP facing off w/ the GG just in time for the first Spidey flick, & it's where some of the lustre starts to fade. There's one more Jenkins / Buckingham issue (#50), though. (In Spectacular, the best artwork can be found in Damion Scott's 3-issue Lizard story - #11-13, which is followed by a one-off about a boy w/ cerebral palsy & Morbius fully painted - quite nicely, in a Kent Williams / Sienkiewicz way - by Paolo Rivera.)

In a nutshell (as to how Spidey "changed"): There's this super-powered lady. Called the Queen Bee. Her origin has something to do w/ Captain America & WWII, I think - I skimmed over that bit. Cap & Spidey team-up to fight her, though Spidey goes off half-cocked, ignoring CA's advice to take things slow. Spidey gets sucker-punched (figuratively) by the Queen Bee, & is kissed. This kiss, over the course of a few issues, triggers some unpleasant changes in PP - he starts to grow bristle-like hair, his eyes become more spider-like, etc. (This leads to a really godawful set of pages where Mary Jane gives PP shit, clueless ditz style, for trying to use this "I'm changing!" thing as an excuse to skip out on attending a friends' wedding. A Trekkie Klingon wedding at that. "Oh, come on, Peter, it'll be good for you to get some fresh air!" "DAMN IT, WOMAN, I'M TURNING INTO A SPIDER - F*** THE TRIBBLES!")

Of course, PP's metamorphosis kicks in at the wedding, he scampers off, begins sprouting spider-legs & stuff, & runs back to the Queen Bee before turning into a full-blown spider under her control. Some plot denouement happens (with Cap explaining to Nick Fury what the Queen actually is), and meanwhile Spidey's in the QB lair spinning a cocoon as part of his neverending metamorphosis. Eventually, PP hatches from the cocoon, and learns that he makes his own web & he can hear / communicate / become one w/ the bugs. (That latter thing / power, I assumed, was an extension of JMS' work re: the Spider Totem, but I really have no clue.)

So, yeah, the Spidey titles have come a long way from Maximum Carnage & all the parent / symbiote clone hoohah. But they've been kinda scuffling for the last little while. (I can't WAIT for Dan Slott's mini! Also, Reg Hudlin's supposed to be doing some Spidey work, too!) (I don't know why I psyched about RH doing Spidey, since I don't know what kind of funny book writer he is!) (Whatever!)

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:05 (twenty years ago)

The latest arc of ASM -- specifically in the context of what's come before it -- has me wondering if JMS has just used up his Spider-Man stories. I mean, what I really liked about the start of his run was that it simultaneously grounded itself in the core of the character -- Parker becomes a science teacher -- while moving forward with a whole new spin (ha) on the mythos (the totem stuff) that can easily be ignored whenever it's been overwrought, and just as easily brought back in at any time. It's like adding in "Spider-Man: threat or menace" -- it can come and go however any given writer pleases, it fits in pretty well, and at least as initially handled, it worked nicely in that it didn't matter if the reader bought Ezekiel's story or not, because Parker didn't.

But now. Two story arcs in a row involving Previously Unrevealed Facets Of Peter Parker's Past that come back into his life blah blah blah ... I don't trust writers who get into ruts of using those kinds of stories. They ring false, and they ring lazy: I've had plenty of dramatic and interesting things happen to me that didn't require someone from twenty years in my past resurfacing, and even the most significant and self-shaping events of my past don't consciously spring to mind and invite flashbacks very often. People just don't really work that way, and characters who are written that way feel like characters the writer is trying to tilt in his own direction -- injecting some past he created himself into the character's backstory as a way of adjusting the rear-view mirror and the angle of the seat while he's settling into the driver's seat.

Which makes it a particularly finicky and odd thing to be doing several years into a run, when you ought to be comfortable enough with a character to give him the stories that people twenty years from now will be drawing on. This metal skin revenge of the nerds thing isn't it.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:26 (twenty years ago)

Aldo, what's up with the Omega Men?

Sorry, I missed this.

Umm... the Omega Men have been hiding out on a research station, on the run as terrorists after they freed Seer from the Spider Guild by causing wanton destruction. They just happen to be hiding on a research station near where Rann used to be, which is where Adam Strange finds them.

The rest is all Adam Strange plotifying, including references to an Omega Event - which may be 'Crisis II', given that we know the Adam Strange mini is going to lead into it.

Oh, and Doc's about to be eaten by a big monster.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 14 January 2005 07:38 (twenty years ago)

Cool, thanks. Has L.E.G.I.O.N. showed up yet?

Huk-L, Friday, 14 January 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

No, but it looks like Rann may have done whatever planet shift thingy it did to itself, and Thanagar is being manipulated by some guy who looks like Darkseid with his suit off.

The Rann/Thanagar war looks definite.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 14 January 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

Crisis II?

Chrchuckis Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 14 January 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

Speaking of which: why was it only Psycho Pirate remembered the Crisis? I kept looking for the panel, but never finding it...

Chrchuckis Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 14 January 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

Pyscho-Pirate was with the Anti-Monitor in the Anti-Matter Universe after the other heroes travelled to the dawn of time to restart the universe.

Huk-L, Friday, 14 January 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

I think.

Huk-L, Friday, 14 January 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

Crisis II is the DC event later this year that the current rumour mill supposes will fall out of Seven Soldiers, may rewrite some of Crisis, and will lead to the sentient DCU Grant M has spoken about before.

Or it could just be a cash-in like Millenium or Joker's Wild.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 14 January 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

what's a "Sentient DCU"?

Chrchuckis Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 14 January 2005 21:53 (twenty years ago)

That the DC Universe exists in and of itself, as a sentient entity.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 14 January 2005 22:14 (twenty years ago)

What a rub idea (the sentient DCU not Crisis II). Very Grant, though.

Tom (Groke), Saturday, 15 January 2005 11:17 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
have just finished (the really lovely) essential fantastic four number 3... obviously this all 40 years ago and all, but can anyone tell me what happens to my favorite characters, wyatt wingfoot and the magnificently useless karnak??

dave k, Monday, 31 January 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

"if i have several hours and total concentration, i can detect a weakness and with a karate chop... hey! where'd everybody go??"

dave k, Monday, 31 January 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)

Wyatt Wingfoot started flingin' w/ She-Hulk (circa #270), and I assume he did some other things w/ the FF after that. Karnak is still a proud member of the Inhumans, wooing ladies everywhere with his firm hand.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 31 January 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

What happened to the PERSONAL ICBM the Fantastic Four used to have???

Tom (Groke), Monday, 31 January 2005 19:21 (twenty years ago)

It was blowed up by a cobolt bomb.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 31 January 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

wait, the inhumans are still around?

dave k, Tuesday, 1 February 2005 01:45 (twenty years ago)

Favourite Karnak moment - "It must have a weakness! It must! It must!" but it doesn't and they have to get Black Bolt.

Vic Fluro, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 01:36 (twenty years ago)

nine months pass...
TEP

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 11 November 2005 03:45 (nineteen years ago)

Rogue and/or Polaris

kingfish orange creamsicle (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 11 November 2005 08:41 (nineteen years ago)

Polaris and Rogue are both in the Pete Milligan X-Men comic. Rogue has got flaming powers off of the dying Sunfire and is in a pickle over Gambit who may have shagged her mother Mystique. Polaris is a fruitcake, I think going out with Iceman, and SAW SOMETHING TERRIBLE in outer space which will be explained soon apparently. Knowing Pete Milligan it was probably Elvis.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 11 November 2005 10:04 (nineteen years ago)

Polaris is dating Iceman, but Havok still has the hots for her...

iodine (iodine), Friday, 11 November 2005 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

Judge Dredd.

chap who would dare to tell uninteresting celeb spotting stories (chap), Friday, 11 November 2005 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

Okay seriously, I'm not sure what happened with Maxwell Lord.

OH THE IRONY.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 November 2005 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

They killed off Sunfire?

kingfish orange creamsicle (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 11 November 2005 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah kingfish I think so. I read that they had in Rogue's ongoing series, which you'd have had to pay me even to steal from the interweb, so I don't know the details.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 11 November 2005 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

"ongoing"

Mark C (Markco), Friday, 11 November 2005 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

It was going on, for a while. BECAUSE YOU DEMANDED IT!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 November 2005 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

ten months pass...
Ok, so I'm reading "Seven Soldiers, Vol.3", and WTF has happened to the New Gods??? I mean, I get that their current homeless/undercover status is probably to do with the overall arc of Seven Soldiers and will become clearer to me when that is finished/I've read it all, but is it totally new and self-contained?

Also, what's up with that bald loser being Mr.Miracle*? Where's Scott Free, Oberon, Big Barda?

* srsly I might warm to the character, he doesn't seem too bad a guy, but he just seems to be drawn to *look like* a total wanker.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 30 September 2006 23:45 (eighteen years ago)

The conclusion of the 7S Mister Miracle will answer a lot of your questions.

This week's 52 has an appearance by Little Barda. Yes.

Actually 52 has a hell of a lot of threads pointing to some major Fourth World-related developments: so far we've seen Intergang, Adon, Devilance, a couple of Apokoliptians in the interim Titans, etc., and there's a reasonably convincing argument about that Supernova is actually Lightray.

Douglas (Douglas), Sunday, 1 October 2006 02:39 (eighteen years ago)

Did the Outsiders (other than Batman and Metamorpho, o'course) ever end up elsewhere?
Geo-Force, Katana, Halo and Black Lightning whither?

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 1 October 2006 05:14 (eighteen years ago)

CAN ANYONE DO GHOSTRIDER FOR ME?

disappointing goth fest line-up (orion), Sunday, 1 October 2006 05:33 (eighteen years ago)

Halo most recently showed up in a couple of panels of 52 #4 (and got my favorite line that issue). Geo-Force was in a few (different!) panels of 52 #4 as well, but in a non-speaking role. We haven't seen much of either lately. Black Lightning is in the new JLA (and his daughter is in the current lineup of the Outsiders, along with Katana).

JUSTICE, LIKE LIGHTNING, SHALL EVER APPEAR TO SOME MEN HOPE AND TO OTHER MEN FEAR.

Douglas (Douglas), Sunday, 1 October 2006 06:05 (eighteen years ago)

So are the Outsiders still in Gotham or are they in Geoforce's pseudo-Moldovan nation/state? And what are the dynamics?
Did BL ever cut the fro' or what?

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 1 October 2006 06:12 (eighteen years ago)

Bl is now bald

Last time i looked at the Outsiders they were doing undercover black op shanans in africa

Mark Co (Markco), Sunday, 1 October 2006 19:50 (eighteen years ago)

Does it have Calum in it? How about the drummer from Gay Dad?
-- Daniel_Rf (filosofiaebolacha...), October 2nd, 2006.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 2 October 2006 12:36 (eighteen years ago)

Calum teamed up with Dom Passantino in Bizarroworld a few months ago; it's in "British Music Press Team-Up #312". Here's the thread.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 2 October 2006 14:16 (eighteen years ago)

savage dragon

stopped reading at issue 60 cuz i got a girlfriend

loved this comic when i was 15

and what (ooo), Monday, 2 October 2006 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

Was your girlfriend jealous of Erik Larsen?

chap who would dare to contain two ingredients. Tea and bags. (chap), Monday, 2 October 2006 17:00 (eighteen years ago)

no i decided to stop going to the comic store & buying things like 12 inch galactuses

and what (ooo), Monday, 2 October 2006 18:35 (eighteen years ago)

galacti?

and what (ooo), Monday, 2 October 2006 18:35 (eighteen years ago)

You keep your 12 inch devourer of worlds out of this, you filthy sod.

chap who would dare to contain two ingredients. Tea and bags. (chap), Monday, 2 October 2006 18:40 (eighteen years ago)

eight years pass...

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2015/02/idws-chris-ryall-commissions-custom-rom-hardcover-set/

the plight of y0landa (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 26 February 2015 01:00 (ten years ago)

i am prepared to answer marvel universe questions here.

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 23:01 (ten years ago)

two weeks pass...

I'm hugely confused as to what's up w Quicksilver, based on an appearance I kinda read in a Peter David X-Factor. He's full-on evil now and his main power's using his speed to time-travel?

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Sunday, 22 March 2015 13:06 (ten years ago)

I don't know what's been up with him within the last couple of years, but he was among the mutants depowered by his sister after House of M (an event which he was complicit in bringing about, so he was already a bit less than heroic at that point). He then used Crystal to finagle his way into the Inhumans' terrigen mist chamber and stole some terrigen crystals, which he used to artificially repower himself and a number of other ex-mutants (with decidedly unsexy and occasionally fatal results). His own new power was, yes, something confusing which involved sending himself a short way into the future in a way that seemed like super-speed to outside observers. Having already made himself a pariah among earth's heroes (largely among those like Spider-Man who remembered the events of House of M and realized how shitty their current lives were in comparison), he ultimately wound up inadvertently delivering the crystals into the hands of the US government and sparking off a small war with the Inhumans. Oh, and he also damaged his daughter via artificial terrigenesis, so basically the Inhumans kinda hated him, too. And then he went to Mutant Town and started his spree of artificially mutant-ing people and X-Factor tried to set themselves up as a bulwark against his nonsense.

I don't know. It's been a while. Most of this stuff is contained in Son Of M, Silent War, and the first couple years of David's X-Factor reboot, so it's pretty easy to catch up on.

A Whizzer, A Poo Star (Old Lunch), Sunday, 22 March 2015 13:58 (ten years ago)

Oh, also, he had actually embedded a bunch of terrigen crystal fragments in his flesh, which gave him the ability to induce his half-assed version of terrigenesis on ex-mutants and sparked his whole M-Day Messiah trip.

A Whizzer, A Poo Star (Old Lunch), Sunday, 22 March 2015 14:03 (ten years ago)

Thanks, that explains a lot.

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Monday, 23 March 2015 09:03 (ten years ago)

Plz update me on Kitty Pryde. I know she is (was?) dating Starlord. Is she tangible again? Is she making appearances in any of X-books?

Mordy, Monday, 23 March 2015 09:56 (ten years ago)

Most recently, Wanda nearly killed Quicksilver in her attempt to kill Magneto (when the pair of them found out he wasn't their dad).

Kitty Pride is tangible, but then most of her time with Starlord has been by hologram. She's with him in space at the moment though, and she must be in at least one X-book because GotG are in nearly every Marvel book at the moment, including some of the X-books and 'Guardians of the Galaxy & X-Men' which is the core book of The Black Vortex.

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Monday, 23 March 2015 12:28 (ten years ago)

Kitty was working at the school but, after the original X-Men were brought forward in time and ran off with Scott's rebels, she went after them to keep an eye on them

DJP, Monday, 23 March 2015 12:54 (ten years ago)

Most recently, Wanda nearly killed Quicksilver in her attempt to kill Magneto (when the pair of them found out he wasn't their dad).

There's been some speculation that a lot recent plot developments in Marvel comics are because Marvel Studios wants to get all the characters they can get to be part of their own movie franchise, so that the studios who have the film rights to X-Men and Fantastic Four can't claim them. So Magneto not being the dad of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch would be a way of distancing those two from the X-Men/mutant franchise, so that they are firmly in the Avengers franchise. The same applies to mutants becoming Inhumans (because Inhumans are part of the Avengers franchise) and stuff like that. I'm not sure if all this is true, but if it is, it's kinda sad.

Tuomas, Monday, 23 March 2015 13:27 (ten years ago)

That all seems very likely. (See also the cancellation of FF and the internal memo that no new characters were to be created in X-Men.)

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Monday, 23 March 2015 14:05 (ten years ago)

There's some sort of mission w/Uncanny Avengers or whatever they are called now with Wanda & company tracking down the High Evolutionary, who is now on one of whatever other-earths is still around (maybe the one last seen in FF?) with the implication he knows the real background of the twins.

mh, Monday, 23 March 2015 14:19 (ten years ago)


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