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delete the "tell me about big l" thread on ile please, before it gets any answers (i'll ask it again on ilm)

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Sunday, 13 April 2003 17:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

it is (was) here:

tell me about Big L

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Sunday, 13 April 2003 17:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

I tried to delete it Mitch, but I kept getting "message load failed".

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 13 April 2003 17:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

(try again jel, a product of the daylight saving masterplan)

― Graham (graham), Sunday, 13 April 2003 17:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

my thread rEAler/
than your vest with threads of stEEl and/
stop the net tricks/
you bitches can't delEte it/
mods vexed, they twitch, they can't fEEL this/
go on jel, Tom - lock down my URLS/
i've done my jail time - now peep my "message load failed"

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

(I tried again, and not only did i get the same message, but i fux0r3d it up and posted a message to the wrong thread as well!!)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

mitch!! so corny....

― st (simon_tr), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

Fixed. (I disabled my own admin priveleges a while ago so wasn't able to test it myself)

― Graham (graham), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thanx graham.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

Don't toy with my emotions James Blount!

― Carey (Carey), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

mark would you have any objections to retitling this thread with CAPS so that it's easier to pick out of the NEW ANSWERS?

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hey Moderators! I posted a gigant0R image here:

http://www.ilxor.com/thread.php?msgid=3463703#3465813

Somebody wanna delete one of those? Sorry! I fucked up!

― hstencil, Monday, 14 April 2003 12:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Done!

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 14 April 2003 12:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Do we really need a dog fighting / unlicensed boxing thread?

― james (james), Monday, 14 April 2003 12:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 April 2003 12:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hello kind mods! Could someone please de-Google-fy all the J@ck and M3g Whites and the M@arcie Bolens in this thread?

brushes with greatness (again)

I was shooting off my mouth (as usual) and, well, don't want it to come back to me if ya know what I mean?

You are the bestest mods in the whole world and whoever fixes this for me will earn my undying devotion.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 14 April 2003 12:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

This will get you closer....

brushes with greatness (again)

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

can someone delete this inexplicable double post? thanks!

― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 14 April 2003 18:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mmmmm... could someone de-google-fy the rest of the J@ck, M3g and M@rcie references on that fucking famous people link? I'm gonna get paranoid, and you wouldn't like that!

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 14 April 2003 18:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

i'm on it aaron

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 14 April 2003 18:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Aaron, could we just change your name/login on the post? Might be easier/more effective.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 14 April 2003 18:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Any solution would be cool... I wasn't gonna bother bringing it up but I can't stop thinking about someone googling and seeing my lame posts. Hence... paranoia!!!

Thanks guys. I kiss you all.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 14 April 2003 18:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think I (and another mod person) got them all. Let me know if I missed any. People, please remember that google will pick up on this stuff. Please keep posting this great gossip stuff, but remember to anti-googlify if trouble could ensue!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 14 April 2003 18:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thank you, thank you!

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 14 April 2003 19:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

I just found out I can read ILX on my mobile phone (WAP). I'm flabbergasted, stunned, overwhelmed. It's amazing. So my request is, because you have to scroll through so many threads, can you put in a feature that places the interesting threads at the top of the list? You know the good ones that people want to read. Funny, interesting ones. What do you mean you can't....hey....wait a minute....

It's true though about the phone and I am surprised. And pleased.

― Skottie, Monday, 14 April 2003 23:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Really? There's no specific support for this, though it was once roughly planned. Are you just typing the address into your WAP browser, or are you using an HTML convetor like Google's? Can you view other sites with it?

― Graham (graham), Monday, 14 April 2003 23:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

With the site being so text-based, it's not surprising that it's compatible. I've actually been surfing ILX regularly from a Blackberry or a Palm Tungsten. It actually works reasonably well with the Tungsten, except for the fact that I can't log in properly so it's impossible to see only the last, say, 50 posts on a thread, which means the longer threads get truncated. Oh well.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 14 April 2003 23:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

I actually typed in www.google.com and then when that miraculously worked, I searched for "ILX new answers". The link showed up and I clicked it and it loaded just fine. It's obviously split into multiple pages, but loads quickly and works well. I didn't do anything out of the ordinary with the phone (a Siemens), because I don't know how to do anything out of the ordinary with it. I've visited others sites with it, but so far only ones that I knew were WAP enabled like Washingtonpost.com and theonion.com. It seems to ignore photo posts--obviously they wouldn't show up, but it's cool that it doesn't try to load them. It was quite cool.

― Skottie, Monday, 14 April 2003 23:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Then it's going through Google's HTML to WAP convertor, so it's nothing special about our site. I used to regularly use a Psion organiser + mobile phone to browse - it works pretty well, and you can login kinda, and post.

― Graham (graham), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 00:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

The concept of "WAP" and "enable" being used together baffles me.

― Mark C (Mark C), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 07:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

The concept of "WAP" and "enable" being used together baffles me.
-- Mark C (boyincorduro...), April 15th, 2003.

Yeah, okay, sorry. But I think that was my point. I could actually read something I wanted to on my phone.

― Skottie, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 08:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

Do we really need separate Pee Chronicles and Urine categories?

― Graham (graham), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 11:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

That does seem pretty unneccessary.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 11:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Only "pretty"? Clearly it's a fool's errand trying to find a book in your library.

― Graham (graham), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 11:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Does she use the Poo-ey Decimal System?

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 11:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

can a kind moderator out there re-size the picture I posted on this thread: Supermarkets. Sorry about that.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 16 April 2003 12:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Actually, I've been meaning to ask for ages whether someone can combine the IL* Events and ILX Events categories, as I'm forever searching in the wrong one.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 12:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

Graham sorry for the urinary overlap; that was me last nite in a pique of pee. I shall deal with it.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 12:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

and hstencil I'm leaving your big image. Resizing it won't reduce the file size at all. Besides it looks funny like that.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 12:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

pretty please if one of you has a moment, delete my first three (!!) attempts to post a pic on the new "whatcha look like" thread - I think the last one works, though

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 17 April 2003 06:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

um, if someone has a moment can they please go into the ALL CAPS thread on ILM and do something about the post directed towards me? I don't give a shit if you delete it, but I want to know who the hell this is if there's any way to find out.

If you want to delete it that'd be cool too.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 18 April 2003 03:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

(bump)

pretty U&K if anyone's up

― jones (actual), Friday, 18 April 2003 04:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ally: done

― felicity (felicity), Friday, 18 April 2003 05:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

thank you.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 18 April 2003 05:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

can someone delete this botched post?

― Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 22:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

what botched post?

(done)

― felicity (felicity), Friday, 18 April 2003 22:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can someone please go to this thread and A) delete the posts with my name I didn't make (the ones with the "garance80@yahoo.com") email B) please find out who is posting as me?

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Why are all the threads getting creepy?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

FYI I have just registered the fake Ally that they are posting as, because it IS one of my old email addresses so I don't feel dodgy doing it, so maybe that will curtail it.

― Ally. (fakeally), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Removed.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Skipping 599 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

Who doesn't?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 June 2003 13:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Graham how about when a very close friend of mine mailed you a present and you responded with an email calling her a bitch? What was the point of that?

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 13 June 2003 13:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Clearly it was a call for a cuddle.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 June 2003 13:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

Don't be such a bitch, Dan. *opens arms expectantly*

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 13 June 2003 13:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

What I'd like you to do, Graham:

Step one: Stop saying "sorry" when you totally don't mean it. It's more passive aggression, and it's intensely dislikeable (= many points on the "Reasons Not To Cuddle Graham" charts of literally dozens of readers).
Step two: Say sorry, sincerely, to Alan. You owe him a massive, absolute apology, on AND off-board. (Failure to do this = many more points on the "Reasons Not To Cuddle Graham" charts.)

I realise in the mood you're in this afternoon that one and two may not be simultaneously achievable. Try and ensure this mood passes swiftly.

Step three: one really obvious way of showing reciprocal friendship towards me would be behaving in a minimally civil manner towards people that I like.

I think I'll keep the other steps for personal email.

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 13 June 2003 13:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dan yr a cunt. (come here big guy!)

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 13 June 2003 13:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

(that was a misunderstanding Yanc3y)

― Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think all SQL decisions should be made by majority vote. There are enough geeks round here.

More seriously, without going into the history, it's very nasty to insult someone for a coding "mistake". It's just a little query rewrite and there are ways of being diplomatic about these things.

― Sam (chirombo), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Fair enough, Graham.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Step two: Say sorry, sincerely, to Alan.
Thanks Mark, butI don't want this. An apology would only make me feel worse - I could have tried harder to make it work. We've had e-mails back and forth over the last 2 months. I've thanked graham for helping me, I've apologised for doing things incorrectly. I've also, unfortunately, neglected to tell Graham when he's being unreasonably unpleasant, and today was just the last straw - I was tired of walking on egg shells. Making it public has made it worse -- i'd rather we hadn't.

Graham, I'm sorry this has happened. You were less than civil with me and I just wasn't in the mood for it today. I'm not changing my mind though. Let's just let it lie.

― Alan (Alan), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

(And why are you all so keen to think the worst of me?)

There was no need to rewrite the query. If you understood how much work I put into making this all work, and how much stress it's caused me, how much hassle everyone put me through wehn stuff didn't work, you'd understand why having some buffoon coming in and changing things without any care for why I might have done things the way I did was so totally offensive to me.

Alan doesn't get an apology until I get one from everyone here that's hurt me.

― Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

(that was addressed to Sean)

― Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

(that was addressed to Sam)

― Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Alan doesn't want an apology.
Graham's not going to get one.

You know when you grab a kettle and it burns you and that hurts. Well, this is a reaction to tell you not to do it again.

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

Alan doesn't get an apology until I get one from everyone here that's hurt me.

Good luck with that.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Alan doesn't get an apology until I get one from everyone here that's hurt me.

Another point on the reasons not to cuddle Graham chart. Don't you get it yet?

― RickyT (RickyT), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Greenspun's looking pretty good right about now.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

(that was addressed to Sean)

Uh, WTF?

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

(And why are you all so keen to think the worst of me?)

This is a shot in the dark, but it may be because you seem to be clinically disturbed and exhibit enough antisocial tendencies to match the profile of the average fictionalized serial killer.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm also quite keen to think the worst of anyone who'd call Alan "some buffoon".

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hey, I'm the only one on ILX at the moment who gets to call Sean mean things today!

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

No no, everyone can take a crack at me, I just have no fucking clue what that was even about.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think Nate gets a free pass due to the whole forehead-vulva thing, Noodles.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wow. Graham's impersonation of an 8-year-old is uncanny. I have an oversized Izod shirt he can wear to complete the effect.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sean, I think he meant me - it was in response to my post.

― Sam (chirombo), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

What do you think Mr. Goatfish?

http://www.fishtaxidermist.com/images/mutton.jpg
I think Graham needs to learn how to be more tactful.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 13 June 2003 14:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm also quite keen to think the worst of anyone who'd call Alan "some buffoon".

No, that bit was great!

This is a shot in the dark, but it may be because you seem to be clinically disturbed

This is the nub of it. I don't think there's any point in trying to impress upon Graham anymore what is normal behaviour that doesn't alienate people. He just can't see it. Or in trying to give advice on how to live his life. He is not ready for it. I hesitate to say all this publically, Graham, but it may serve to discourage fruitless ILX stuff about you every rearing its head every so often, be it well-intentioned friendly advice or exasperated hostility. You need help from a professional. I think you have already sort of pursued this and been disappointed, and I know it is a maze and underfunded and everything else, but I don't think you cannot get what you need here and us all (inc. you) banging our heads against the wall here is not helping anything.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 13 June 2003 15:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

No I get it Nick. It's just everyone else (ie RickyT) seems determined to go on treating me like a leper. So why not let him? It's fun for everyone, I think you'll agree.

― Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 15:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm not sure what you think you get Graham.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 13 June 2003 15:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Perhaps you shouldn't spend so much time painstakingly painting on your leper's spots.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 13 June 2003 15:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

If you are referring to my refusal to answer your AIM's it's because I don't think I can talk to you in a non-private medium right now without ranting.

― RickyT (RickyT), Friday, 13 June 2003 15:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

This and that, Nick.

― Graham (graham), Friday, 13 June 2003 15:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Non-private = non-public above. I need to go home.

― RickyT (RickyT), Friday, 13 June 2003 15:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Graham, you are once again behaving in appalling fashion. EVERY crime that you are accusing others of, you have committed to me. I've spent quite a lot of time and trouble talking to you, including times when you were desperately unhappy - and you have turned your back on me and walked away when someone younger and female and cute has walked in. I have sent you more than one friendly email, and received no replies at all. You have insulted me on the board here. I have taken all this because you are a troubled young man and I'd like to help, largely in gratitude for the huge contributions you have made for the running of this board. That's why I've bought you quite a few drinks at FAPs, and why I haven't moaned that you've never offered to buy me one. My best efforts don't mean that you should treat me as a friend or like me - you're perfectly free to think me an old tosser and want nothing to do with me - but if you treat people a hundred times worse than they treat you, your room for legitimate complaint is very small.

This row did not start from your being mistreated in any way. Alan tried out something he thought might work. He's a very clever and skilled man, and it did little if any harm as far as I could see, and there was certainly nothing wrong in his giving it a try - a lot of SQL performance issues can only really be settled by trying them out in real conditions. If there was really a slowdown in performance, why not just tell him so in an email and either of you could have switched back (or tried something new again, whatever). Why insult him publicly? The worst he did was make an entirely understandable mistake while trying to improve matters. You might be a better coder than Alan, I wouldn't know, but I have a job where I am currently basically in charge of and supervising a number of programmers and helping them write better code, including tuning their SQL and so on, and I would never treat any of these people the way you have behaved here. I'd expect real disciplinary trouble if any senior person behaved that way, and the fact that there is no such structure here doesn't make your actions any better.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 13 June 2003 16:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

However many times a day Graham is getting his ass kicked at school, it isn't enough.

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 13 June 2003 16:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Graham, please, the world does not owe you a living. In the past you have abused or ignored many many people who offered you help and friendship, why in the name of God should they now kow tow to you?

Fuck this, I'm taking it to e-mail. I'm too angry.

― Anna (Anna), Friday, 13 June 2003 18:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

I can't find thread IV.

So I guess I should have known better than to open a thread called "tongue splitting: C/D" if I didn't want to see a huge pic of, well, a split tongue. Maybe I'm stupid and oversensitive, but maybe there should be a warning? Eek ick ack uck.

― Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 20 June 2003 16:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

SHOUTING FOR THE MODERATOR IV
I'll go and catagorize it under META.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 20 June 2003 16:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Okay, I've been thinking about this a lot and talking to some people, and I'd like to apologise to Alan for trying to help. And to Mark and Martin and Vicky and Anna and everyone else who's tried their best with me. I'm sorry.

― Graham (graham), Friday, 4 July 2003 09:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

[bumping to make sure appropriate people see it]

― Graham (graham), Friday, 4 July 2003 12:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

Graham - are you OK?

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 4 July 2003 12:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Good for you, man. Also hope yr Ok.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 4 July 2003 12:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thank you for that, Graham. I happily accept, and I hope you are doing okay.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 4 July 2003 16:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm fine, thank you.

― Graham (graham), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 11:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

Glad to hear things are going better for you, Graham.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 12:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yep.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 13:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

two weeks pass...

hi moderators... i'm trying to put a picture in my profile and the url won't fit...... do i just need to get a better url or can this be fixed at this end? thanks :)

― minna (minna), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 17:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

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