Taking Sides: Dublin v. Cork

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The real capital of Ireland versus the place that isn't the real capital of Ireland. Because it's a loser town full of losers.

I know which side I'm on.

The Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Cork does have the bigger countryside though.

David, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

And do you have much experience with Corkonians?

David, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Eagleton - of all people - has a long essay on Cork in CRAZY JOHN AND THE BISHOP that Cork fans might like to look at.

I have never been to Cork, so I'm prepared to believe that Dublin mizzles all over it.

vs Cork cf. also Myles na G.

the pinefox, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Far too many of my friends are from Cork, but I've never been there. Although they're all very attached to it as their home town, they've never really given me the impression that it's objectively got a lot going for it. The city that is - obviously the county is beautiful.

Nick, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I actually think Cork is quite nice. It's just I thought we Irish should have our own locational rivalry thread. I'm a bit annoyed by the lack of "what have you got that we haven't got down in Cork?" posts.

Apparently there is massive rivalry between Sligo and Galway as to which is the most important town in Connaught. This mainly goes unnoticed by the good folk of Galway.

The Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

And I am comparing city with city.

The Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Never been to Cork, but I don't really like Dublin. People very unfriendly, pubs aren't very good and it has a real superiority complex. I hear Cork is nicer - and it floats.

Pete, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Great local rivalry stories: Brighton vs Bournemouth. My memory is fuzzy but I think it goes like this. Bournemouth enormously defensive about being a rubbish seaside town for old people, as opposed to Brighton which is a great seaside town for crusties. Anyway it got its buses and put "BOURNEMOUTH IS GREAT" adverts on the sides and then apparently drove some of them down to Brighton and drove these empty buses around, which all the Brighton folk completely ignored obviously except to think that Bournemouth were mentalists.

Alex T I am positive I read this story when I was at your place in Brighton a few years ago - do you remember this.

Tom, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Cork all the way. Lots of good bars, good clubs and nice people. Corkonians also possess the funniest accent. The river Lee can stink up something rotten in the summer tho'.

Michael Bourke, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Taking sides:The Sultans of Ping FC or U2?

Wacky Corkonians or pompous Dubliners?

Michael Bourke, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Cork all the way. Lots of good bars, good clubs and nice people. Corkonians also possess the funniest accent.

I'm glad someone brought up the Corky accent. It is very funny, and is part of what I love about the place.

We should have an amusing accents thread.

The Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Never been to Cork, but I don't really like Dublin. People very unfriendly, pubs aren't very good and it has a real superiority complex. I hear Cork is nicer - and it floats.

what you mean Dublin people are rude, you arse monkey? Fuk yopu cnuty. You are dead.

The Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

the one time i was in cork i thought it was really lovely. it had the sort of faded elegance (architecturally speaking) that i associate with real european cities like bilbao and paris. dublin (where i live) is a giant construction site at the moment, not very pretty. and it's full of yuppie scum. but maybe cork is too.

however, i suspect that dublin wins out over cork because it has the irish film centre and cork doesn't.

rener, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

wise points, Rener. For me Dublin's winning points are i) touring bands play there and ii) the Irish Film Centre is there.

But Cork isn't a huge building site, isn't full of tourists, and hasn't turned itself into a theme park version of Irish culture for yankee dollar. And, all joking aside, the dance scene in Cork is reputedly way better than that in Dublin, and it's not just Corkies who say that. And Cork does feel a bit like those European cities you mentioned.

Someone mentioned Dublin pompousity v. Cork whimsy - yet Cork is the city where importers are known as Merchant Princes. I think Dublin bands only seem pompous because the heyday of Dublin bands was back when all music was pompous.

The Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"the dance scene in Cork is reputedly way better than that in Dublin"

Sir Henry's in Cork is a GRATE club. Allright, it's a bit dirty and minging inside but there's always a fantastic vibe there. The only experience I had of Dublin club culture was The Kitchen which was disapointing to say the least. Well, it's allright if you don't mind being in complete darkness and dealing with snooty arsehole bouncers.

Michael Bourke, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

rener: the film festival has been in Cork more recently.

David, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

rener: the film festival has been in Cork more recently, as far as i recall.

David, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But is there an art-house cinema all the year round?

I remember hearing about how at Feile one year Niall from the Sultans of Ping fc called out to the crowd "Anyone here from Cork?" and then when some people hollered that they were he rejoinded "Well fuck off back home then"

The Dirty Vicar, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

chortle.

dave: can you go to see films like Together (Tilsammans) in cork? i went to see Together last night - it's completely brilliant and i'd recommend it to everyone who wants to come out of a cinema feeling all happy and warm inside.

i forgot to mention that cork has a much more impressive and less stinky river than dublin. and it has the Jack Lynch tunnel, which surely whups the arse of the Matt Talbot bridge (ahem, so to speak).

rener, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i rush to explain that matt talbot wsa a famous dublin 'character' who liked to go around wearing barbed wire in his underpants and thwacking himself with sticks and things. in their infinite wisdom, the dublin city fathers named a bridge after this lunatic.

rener, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Barbed wire underpants? What's weird about that?

The Dirty Vicar, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Rener: Matt Talbot. I remember I was supposed to see him as some beacon of virtue back when I was Pioneer (ack!). What a friggin' loony indeed.

Michael Bourke, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Niall form The Sultans tried to bait the audience in the Thetre Royal in LLimerick one night and ended up being bottled offstage. That's Limerick for ya..;)

Michael Bourke, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My dislike for DUblin might be seen to be extra strong when you consdier that whilst there I won a season ticket to the Dublin Film Festival and could see every film on its programme, and blag all the parties pretending to be a movie journo. So that I still didn't like it after seeing thirty movies and getting very pissed says something in the negative for the city.

Pete, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well Pete, you were obviously hanging around with media twats, no wonder you didn't enjoy yourself.

DV, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

rener: we do have the kino, an independent cinema in cork, which i think is currently showing "Together". And our river stinks bigtime.

David, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

mmm, independent cinema in Cork. maybe a move beckons.

actually, according to a friend who did move down to Cork, everyone there is obsessed by Sport. And you don't want that.

DV, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I am going to solve the problem of Cork by visiting there tomorrow.

DV, Thursday, 30 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Where d'ya fucking go?

David, Sunday, 9 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I went to Fota Wildlife Park (hence all the animal related posts). It was great.

I also wandered round the town centre and its immediate environs. I decided I liked Cork. It's big enough to feel like a city but is nevertheless on a human scale and gave me the (probably false) impression that everywhere is in walking distance. I particularly liked the hilly bit just north of the city up around where the church with the fish is (I think it's the Church of Dagon or something) - the windy streets were very atmospheric.

The other great thing about Cork is it seems to be properly old.

I gather the problem with Cork if you live there is it's full of sports obsessives.

The Dirty Vicar, Sunday, 9 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Church of Dagon? I hear the people round Cork have "the Innsmouth look".

Ronan, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's the influence of the sea. It's much more of a port-y town than Dublin.

And the area around that church does have the kind of windey twistey streets you'd expect in one of Lovecraft's towns.

DV, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two years pass...
The first Dublin thread was locked. So, this one.

(It ended on 10 Sept 2001!)

I am in FUNLAND on O'Connell Street and trying to make contact with people.

Greetings, ilx. The sun is shining. But not in here.

I have never posted to ilx from a place like this before.

the finefox, Monday, 14 June 2004 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I have contacted TPF, his future is secure for a little while.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

haha! Funland!

Dublin is extremely warm today, I am dying of the heat.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

It is!

Hey, Ronan -- we should meet, some time.

It is nice the way people have posted to these Dublin threads. It is cheering.

the finefox, Monday, 14 June 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

i went to cork a couple of times. cobh in particular was gorgeous. but no one could understand my australian accent. AT ALL. luckily my partner at the time was a dubliner and could translate. in between his bouts of hysterical laughter that is.

gem (trisk), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

technically i am not in dublin (the county) i am in wicklow the county. it is extremely warm down here in co. wicklow also.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:32 (twenty-one years ago)

(my g/f is working on o'connell st. at the moment, i think in a shop called zara or something like that. drop in and say hi to her pinefox ;-) )

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

It's even hotter here in Cork!

Joe Kay (feethurt), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

is there to be an "FAP"

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 14 June 2004 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Done and done:

Dublin: Fancy A Pinefox?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 June 2004 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...
picked this up on the news wires:

RTE report that 2 bids are shortlisted for the new alternative rock franchise for Dublin: Two Dublin stations on BCI rock shortlist

Phantom Fm [backed by U2's manager Paul McGuiness]
vs
Zed FM [backed by Niall Stokes of Hot Press magazine and Bob Geldof]

background info on the bid process: Sunday Business Post

Capital Radio Group failed to make the final 2 shortlist to inflict the Irish with a format similar to London's Xfm.

Who deserves to get the alt-rock radio franchise for Dublin? Phantom FM or Zed FM ?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

but what has this got to do with Dublin v. Cork?

Paul McGuinness v. Niall Stokes - clash of the shitans.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

could not find an appropriate Dublin thread

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

In one way I hope Niall Stokes thing gets it, because maybe the Hot Press connection might help me to get a job there.

However on the other hand I hope it doesn't because, "FUCK THEM AND ALL THEY STAND FOR" etc. What I find curious is how this affects the relationship between the two men, and their respective interests.

Some Guy (Ronan), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...

i would like to visit Cork, Dublin hasn't impressed me much the few times I've visited.

gershy, Sunday, 24 June 2007 05:48 (eighteen years ago)

Loooool @ this thread!

Cork:
Pros: great people, great bars, Kino, compact, the west (esp. Bantry), kinsale, cobh, Munster Rugby (sort of)
Cons: provincial capital, tiny, everyone know's everyone, stuck up it's own arse, twee ta fuck (note: family originally from Cork, cousins there are total pains therefor colours opinion somewhat)

Dublin:
Pros: Shithole but home! foreigners all over the place improving things, decent bars and clubs (mostly). Luas. Dart. IFI. Denis Hickie.
Cons: Dirty, crowded, expensive to rent buy or even eat, up it's own arse. Snobs (I know, I know oh the ironing etc etc)

For both: NOT LIMERICK!!!

kv_nol, Monday, 25 June 2007 10:44 (eighteen years ago)

eight years pass...

oof

deejerk reactions (darraghmac), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 07:31 (ten years ago)

are you moving to cork?

doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 09:53 (ten years ago)

no, corks moving to cork

nb I'd love to live in cork for a while

deejerk reactions (darraghmac), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 12:07 (ten years ago)

I did not know that upthread about Sligo thinking it was an important town in Connacht. how amusing. it's barely an important town in Sligo.

deejerk reactions (darraghmac), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 12:24 (ten years ago)

seldom seen shade like that thrown over those sunless climes deems la

Aleix Salmonid (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 12:28 (ten years ago)

what makes u so fond of cork all of a sudden

Aleix Salmonid (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 12:29 (ten years ago)

Cork is trendy now what with the Rough Guide singing its praises as the best place to visit in Ireland.

tayto fan (Michael B), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 12:33 (ten years ago)

there was a new york times travel article about it a while ago which seemed to gild the lily excessively even within the genre of travel journalism

Aleix Salmonid (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 12:47 (ten years ago)

Cork is nice tho

tayto fan (Michael B), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 12:51 (ten years ago)

too many langers

doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 13:01 (ten years ago)

things about cork

1. the late house producer and dj romanthony, who sang on "one more time" is a revered figure in cork, due to playing at their long-running deep house night, fish go deep. his track "ball and chain" is particularly popular and has youtube videos with photos of cork.
2. another house producer legend, kerri chandler, lived in cork for a while.
3. in about 1995 i was in a chipper in cork and the man ahead of me asked the manager who was serving him if the sauce in the kebab was spicey, he said "i'll go and check it for you now, cos i love spicey food boy, do you like spicey food yourself boy?"... he then went and checked and came back "that's not spicey at all boyyy!" - i can't forget this.

doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 13:04 (ten years ago)

lol

Aleix Salmonid (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 13:05 (ten years ago)

I've always liked cork, it actually feels like the interesting town packed into a city that galway claims to be but isnt

I'm not purposely running Sligo down so much as maybe surprised that Sligo wouldn't know its place.

deejerk reactions (darraghmac), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 15:01 (ten years ago)

never met anyone from sligo. not convinced it exists.

doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 15:03 (ten years ago)

Cork is the only place I've been subjected to xenophobic abuse.

29 facepalms, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 16:57 (ten years ago)

he was just telling you the kebab wasn't spicy

doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 17:25 (ten years ago)

one year passes...

in cork for the weekend, what's recommended these days, esp for a night out tmw?

ogmor, Friday, 13 January 2017 23:40 (nine years ago)

if no recommendations are forthcoming, you could always fall back onto the nearest neighborhood pub

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Saturday, 14 January 2017 04:58 (nine years ago)

bless you aimless. was in dublin before christmas so will weigh in authoritively later

ogmor, Saturday, 14 January 2017 11:03 (nine years ago)

address everyone you meet as "langer" or "langers" for plural

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Saturday, 14 January 2017 11:15 (nine years ago)

if you are on good terms with someone calling them a "massive langer" is a nice way to show that.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Saturday, 14 January 2017 11:26 (nine years ago)

I live in Cork. Get in touch if you need a guide. Crane Lane is always good for a late pint and some live music

An Alan Bennett Joint (Michael B), Saturday, 14 January 2017 14:48 (nine years ago)

ilxmailed you!

ogmor, Saturday, 14 January 2017 16:45 (nine years ago)


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