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I had a dream last night that four of my mates were in an air disaster. There were two couples and as it so happens the girls have the same name in real life. Only three of them died in the dream, the two guys and one of the girls. The dream was mostly about their joint funeral which was a celebration of their lives and consisted of good music and a movie about them. The girl who survived alternated in different parts of the dream so I wasn't sure which girl was dead. The WEIRD thing is they are all going to Thailand for Christmas - TOGETHER ! I am totally freaked by this - what does it mean ?

polka, Tuesday, 22 October 2002 13:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't have a clue!

Hell, last night, I dreamed that we had to share a table with The Strokes at some industry awards function, and they not only hogged all the vegetables at their end of the table (and played casiotone jams while I was still trying to eat) but then they invited themselves back to the house where we were staying, and proceeded to use up all the hot water, and fall asleep on MY futon. Where *I* was trying to sleep. There were Strokes all over the floor. Sandwiched by Strokes. UGH!

Some of them were inexplicably balding, as well.

Please explain that to me, if you can.

Or maybe my subconscious was trying so hard NOT to have The Welsh Dream because it knew I'd have to go on Welsh radio this week...

kate, Tuesday, 22 October 2002 13:09 (twenty-two years ago)

It means the strokes are selfish cockfarmers. Which they are, anyway.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Polka,
Didn't you already know they were all going to Thailand together before you had the dream? Maybe you just felt left out so you had a dream they were in a horrible accident.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 13:14 (twenty-two years ago)

If you already knew that they were planning a trip to Thailand together, then it's not surprising that the four of them would feature in dream involving air travel together.

Dreams usually mean the opposite: you dreamt of a disaster, so it probably means they will all have a brilliant time.

If they are going to Pattaya Beach, could you kindly ask them to see if they can find my bikini top? I mislaid it there after a late night drunken barbecue, about five years ago. Thanks.

C J (C J), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't think I should admit this but I don't know the Strokes even though I've heard of them but why weren't they on the bloody plane not my mates. As for being jealous about them going - not at all I'm just back from Peru. And ya I did know about it before the dream so I guess it was a subconsious thing. Still I hate that feeling of waking up after a bad dream - that said it balances the wake up I had the other morning :)

polka, Tuesday, 22 October 2002 13:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't think I should admit this but I don't know the Strokes

Some would think this a great blessing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I read "The Interpretation of Dreams" by Freud when I was at college. It was, however, absolute bollocks. Sorry.

lol p xx, Tuesday, 22 October 2002 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

polka- you should be so lucky!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

The only dream interpretation strategy I ever heard that seemed wholly rational was told to me by an MSW (=therapist) I knew back in California, who said that there's only one person in your dreams i.e YOU -- the part of your mind that's manufacturing the storyline is skeptical as to whether there are actually any other people in the universe. In interpreting dreams, try imagining that every last person in it is actually you, and ask yourself what is it that's going on with 1)that person who's been cast as someone not-you and 2)the reactions of others in the dream to that person.

Being able to do this stuff honestly can yield some pretty knotty results so be warned

J0hn Darn13ll3, Tuesday, 22 October 2002 18:09 (twenty-two years ago)

So *I* am a selfish cockfarmer who won't share my vegetables, and everybody secretly hates because I'm such a fucking prima donna. OK, actually that makes a lot of sense. Phew.

kate, Tuesday, 22 October 2002 18:11 (twenty-two years ago)

i use J0hn's everyone-is-you tactic as a coping strategy in my waking life and "knotty" doesn't begin to describe it

jones (actual), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 18:22 (twenty-two years ago)

You could try looking at the symbology behind the dream... for example the meaning of two (two couples, two males/two females, balance, yin/yang) as well as the numeral four (things of solid substance: the square, four seasons, four directions, etc.)

Air and travel were also featured in your dream -- air could signify the ether of the spirit; travel could represent perhaps some form of communication.

You could also consider how you feel about each of those respective people. I've had similar dreams wherein I realized how much I'd come to care for the individuals featured.

You could try looking in various dream sites/dictionaries like this one. I don't know that it will be helpful, but it will likely be interesting.
Aside from that, I don't have a clue. If you figure it all out, let us know.

Aside from that, I haven't a clue.

ragnfild (ragnfild), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)

in keeping with recent porno dreams, i dreamed i was privy to the very poor man's version of the "eyes wide shut" orgy (= four people in a tiny room). no i didn't get to take part. no there were no ilxers present.

today i woke up with my contact lenses still in my eyes. ouch. and i remember there was a bit about contact lenses in another dream i had last night, i had lost one and the other one was in a glass of water or something.

Mitch Lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

today i woke up with my contact lenses still in my eyes. ouch. and i remember there was a bit about contact lenses in another dream i had last night, i had lost one and the other one was in a glass of water or something.

Okay, so just for fun... maybe this dream is telling you that you're not giving your full vision to some detail of life. Since water tends to represent emotions, perhaps you're allowing your emotions to cloud your rationality. Then again, given the nature of your other dream, maybe you're just horny.

ragnfild (ragnfild), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 03:59 (twenty-two years ago)

My two most recent dreams.

Dream One: I am at Arc, onstage with Elton John and we are singing "Don't Go Breaking My Heart", except my knowledge of the lyrics is not as good as his. I keep on looking at him to see if he is offended that I am just stumbling through the song, but he is just laughing at me and having a good time. At one point he sings: "When I was down, I was your clown" and then I panic and blurt out "When I was up I gave you my cup".

Dream Two: I am a model for a hairdressing competition, and I am awfully pleased about it, because my IRL my hair really needs a cut. The hairdresser who is cutting my hair keeps on wandering off and stopping for lunch and falling asleep, and then she takes a leisurely shower. I get tired of waiting for her so I go outside for a walk and discover that I am in a third world country, the sun is terribly hot and then I see some children sitting in the dust. They are so hungry that they have morphed into tiny black-skinned frog-like creatures and I pick them up three and four at a time and put them in the shade of a huge silver tin shed. And then I am feeding them all some fish. At first the fish is dark red like raw tuna, but then it changes into rolls of rainbow coloured sushi, with the rice sticking out of the fish like needles.

rainy (rainy), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 04:26 (twenty-two years ago)

come on dream experts!

rainy (rainy), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 04:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Dream Two: I am a model for a hairdressing competition, and I am awfully pleased about it, because my IRL my hair really needs a cut. The hairdresser who is cutting my hair keeps on wandering off and stopping for lunch and falling asleep, and then she takes a leisurely shower...
To see hair in your dream, signifies sexual virility, seduction, sensuality, vanity, and health. It is indicative of your attitudes. If your hair is knotted or tangled, then it is symbolic of uncertainty and confusion in your life. You may be unable to think straight.

To dream that you are cutting your hair, suggests that you are experiencing a loss in strength. You may feel that someone is trying to censor you. Alternatively, you may be reshaping your thinking or ambitions and eliminating unwanted thoughts/habits.

That's a direct quote from the dream dictionary folks.

...I get tired of waiting for her so I go outside for a walk and discover that I am in a third world country, the sun is terribly hot and then I see some children sitting in the dust. They are so hungry that they have morphed into tiny black-skinned frog-like creatures and I pick them up three and four at a time and put them in the shade of a huge silver tin shed. And then I am feeding them all some fish. At first the fish is dark red like raw tuna, but then it changes into rolls of rainbow coloured sushi, with the rice sticking out of the fish like needles.

Okay, so what if those "children" are your secret dreams and aspirations -- the ones you keep hidden away for some reason perhaps because you feel they're not good enough, or unacceptable for some reason (third world/black)? In spite of that, you love and care for them. The full light of the sun (gold/sun=masculine energy) is too harsh for them so you move them into the shade of the silver tin shed (silver/moon=feminine energy) and then proceed to provide nurture and sustenance in the form of dark red fish (blood=life energy) which transforms into rainbows -- what I would surely consider a positive sign, but I'd be wary (perhaps) of the needle-like rice. Then again, rice is also symbolic of fertility.

What does all that mean? I dunno. You could go to a dream dictionary on the net and try running some of these words through it: fish, needles, sun, silver, hair, etc. See if anything that comes up really resonates for you.

Meanwhile, my interpretation attempt is... Maybe it means that you feel you have to submerse your feminine in order to put on a masculine face to exist in the reality of the world you currently live in.

Note, that I don't mean for that last statement to be interpreted as "damn those men and their paternalistic attitudes that keep us wimmenfolk down". All of us possess both "feminine" and "masculine" attributes. Think of the feminine as being *inward* directed (creating, imagining, focussing on spirituality, etc.) while the masculine is *outward* directed (getting a job, going out into the world, making a name for yourself, etc.)

At any rate, perhaps it's just as well that your hair wasn't cut (reduction in feminine strength) because you later needed that in order to keep those feminine dreams/aspirations alive.

Does that make sense?

I think the Elton John dream is just weird, by the way. :-)

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ragnfild (ragnfild), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Dream Two: I am a model for a hairdressing competition, and I am awfully pleased about it, because my IRL my hair really needs a cut. The hairdresser who is cutting my hair keeps on wandering off and stopping for lunch and falling asleep, and then she takes a leisurely shower...
To see hair in your dream, signifies sexual virility, seduction, sensuality, vanity, and health. It is indicative of your attitudes. If your hair is knotted or tangled, then it is symbolic of uncertainty and confusion in your life. You may be unable to think straight.

To dream that you are cutting your hair, suggests that you are experiencing a loss in strength. You may feel that someone is trying to censor you. Alternatively, you may be reshaping your thinking or ambitions and eliminating unwanted thoughts/habits.

That's a direct quote from the dream dictionary folks.

...I get tired of waiting for her so I go outside for a walk and discover that I am in a third world country, the sun is terribly hot and then I see some children sitting in the dust. They are so hungry that they have morphed into tiny black-skinned frog-like creatures and I pick them up three and four at a time and put them in the shade of a huge silver tin shed. And then I am feeding them all some fish. At first the fish is dark red like raw tuna, but then it changes into rolls of rainbow coloured sushi, with the rice sticking out of the fish like needles.

Okay, so what if those "children" are your secret dreams and aspirations -- the ones you keep hidden away for some reason perhaps because you feel they're not good enough, or unacceptable for some reason (third world/black)? In spite of that, you love and care for them. The full light of the sun (gold/sun=masculine energy) is too harsh for them so you move them into the shade of the silver tin shed (silver/moon=feminine energy) and then proceed to provide nurture and sustenance in the form of dark red fish (blood=life energy) which transforms into rainbows -- what I would surely consider a positive sign, but I'd be wary (perhaps) of the needle-like rice. Then again, rice is also symbolic of fertility.

What does all that mean? I dunno. You could go to a dream dictionary on the net and try running some of these words through it: fish, needles, sun, silver, hair, etc. See if anything that comes up really resonates for you.

Meanwhile, my interpretation attempt is... Maybe it means that you feel you have to submerse your feminine in order to put on a masculine face to exist in the reality of the world you currently live in.

Note, that I don't mean for that last statement to be interpreted as "damn those men and their paternalistic attitudes that keep us wimmenfolk down". All of us possess both "feminine" and "masculine" attributes. Think of the feminine as being *inward* directed (creating, imagining, focussing on spirituality, etc.) while the masculine is *outward* directed (getting a job, going out into the world, making a name for yourself, taking a creative thought through to completion [i.e., making the beautiful sushi rolls from the raw product of fish], etc.)

At any rate, perhaps it's just as well that your hair wasn't cut (reduction in feminine strength) because you later needed that strength in order to keep those children (=dreams/aspirations) alive.
How's that?

I think the Elton John dream is just weird, by the way. :-)

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ragnfild (ragnfild), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I've read quite a lot on this, and my ex-wife studied psychology, and had loads of books on dream interpretation - and I have still seen next to nothing to persuade me that there is meaning to be found in dreams at all.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I think dream interpretation can be somewhat like horoscopes -- often entertaining, but seldom helpful in the way that say, a recipe or a street map is. But that's in a generic sort of sense. As a means of personal insight I think they're every bit as helpful as any other form of interior expression, and because they reflect up bits of our own unconsciousness (if you buy Jung, that is), they often point out aspects of our personhood that rational thought might not touch. So much as it's difficult to cubbyhole the practice as a rational science, I wouldn't want to pooh-pooh it away or banish it into the corner either.

ragnfild (ragnfild), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 21:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I quite like your interpretation of my dream ragnfild! I wish you would do the Elton John one, it was a very lucid dream!

rainy (rainy), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think I could do your first dream well rainy. But you could always give it a try -- since it's a reflection of your unconsciousness, it's your understanding of meaning that matters most.
I'd recommend that you check out some dream dictionaries on the net fiddle with key images in your dream; try to consider meanings other than the obvious. For example, I'm not certain what you mean by "Arc" in your post -- a nightclub? -- nonetheless, an arc is also a curving image, and there was Joan of Arc, and even Noah's Ark. Some of the key symbols that jump out at me are the song title (a warning to not break your heart), the clown, and the cup. In tarot, the symbol of cups also refers to emotions, so that ties back in with the warning of the title song. I have no idea how Elton John fits into it all. When I think of him, I think of his flashy style, his history as a pop musician, and the fact that he's gay -- maybe he strikes you in a completely different manner. This kind of exploration of the self typically leads to greater awareness of the self. Some people even like to keep a dream journal, much like some others keep a diary or journal.

ragnfild (ragnfild), Thursday, 24 October 2002 01:11 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
Dream this morning (went to bed at 2am, woke up at 8am due to weird ass dream I won't get into earlier, took my painkillers, then went back to bed, had the following dream, and woke up at 12:30pm...)

I was sleeping inside a CD jewel case. But not just any CD jewel case. It was a Queen size CD jewel case dream bed where the "tray" was actually this soft yet firm red futon type material, and there was a Barbarella type girl (who was actually a "friend" of mine in the dream, of course) on the other side of the circular spindle in the middle that sticks out of the circular rest area. The door is actually this soft cellophane made material with airholes in it and a filter to make it quasi-transparent. That's all I remember.

Am I just having a fear of selling my CDs back hence why my brian is convincing me to have near-orgasmic thoughts about CDs? And if so, what the fuck is so sexy about a CD jewel case shaped dream bed anyway? That fucking spindle in the middle is a big obstacle to any kind of fostering of physical closeness and it makes you have to sleep in a crescent moon shape position which must be awful for your back.

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 20 March 2004 22:53 (twenty-one years ago)

wondeful dream! i had a weird one too last night where jones & discovered this magnificent lost zeppelin-like airship in the czech republic.

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 20 March 2004 22:56 (twenty-one years ago)

seriously? dreams don't mean shit, dude
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oops (Oops), Saturday, 20 March 2004 22:57 (twenty-one years ago)

oops, you've never come to some huge realisation during, or as a result of, a dream?

the music mole (colin s barrow), Saturday, 20 March 2004 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

oops, i respectfully ask you to see this thread and rephrase what you meant by "dreams don't mean shit, dude".

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 20 March 2004 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

What does it mean when:
1) You've graduated college but agonize over course schedules while asleep?
2) You have one of those meet-the-girl-of-your-dreams dreams, except she has a first and last name and lives in a specific city, and you know no one by that name and have never been to the city?

here comes a regular, Saturday, 20 March 2004 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

dreams are thoughts, so of course they can have some meaning and you can come to some realizations through them, just like any other thoughts. "dreams don't mean shit" meaning they don't have any 'hidden' meaning, no symbolism, the elephant running through your house with a your mom in its trunk doesn't mean shit, dude.

oops (Oops), Saturday, 20 March 2004 23:58 (twenty-one years ago)

ah kay, just wanted to see what you meant by "don't mean", that's all.. I agree with you.

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 21 March 2004 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I recently had a dream where a 'wise' kind of person showed me a textbook on toys for children. In it was an article about mechano. On waking up I realised that my daughter had dolls, paints, etc but I'd never really got her into constructive toys like mechano. This didn't make sense because her mum is an architect and it's possible she's inherited an aptitude for construction, who knows? So I'm going to get her a mechano set. I've also dreamed melodies which I've got up and recorded; and realised during dreams that there were certain situations which made me very angry or sad and I needed to address these issues within myself. This kind of thing.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 21 March 2004 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)


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