Your experiences with herion...

But there's still a very strong allure, if that isn't obvious enough. Just what sort of details do you expect the folks on ILE would tell you that you couldn't get from any writing about heroin anywhere else?

Sort it out yourself, mate.

And if you aren't one of those people who believe that their is a fantastic light at the end of the tunnel and you want to try it, well, you might like it a bit, it'll probably make you a little sick, but it will still feel kind of good, but it's really no big deal. The problem with being one of those people who can do it and not end up IMMEDIATELY like the kind of people who are looking for a quick patch to their messed up lives is that if you keep doing heroin you will in all probability mess up your life to the point where it really will seem like only doing more heroin can possibly make it better. You will in essense become the first person and if you don't believe it can happen to you, read something like Donald Goines' Dopefiend and think hard and REALIZE it can.

Since in all likelihood you are going to do it regardless of what anyone here says and you either want to have an excuse like "I was so stupid why didn't I listen to those folks on the message board" to beat yourself about later or that last bastion to rebel against cause "No one can tell me what to do", I won't say don't do it and give you the satisfaction of giving you either. Do it, don't do it, whatever.

Which is why, of course, Karl Marx declared religion 'the opium of the people'!

I really think that the American culture of drug hysteria almost incites people. All their "reefer madness" paranoia, and people try pot and go "wow, I was lied to by my parents and my government, I smoked a bit of weed and I didn't go nuts and didn't get gatewayed into harder drugs, I just felt a bit sleepy and silly." and then they think "Hey, if I was lied to about POT, what are the chances I was lied to about HEROIN?!?!?"

Anti-drug HYSTERIA is the GATEWAY, not marijuana or alcohol.

Anyway, if you are the sort of person that NEEDS to try everything once, and needs to actually put their hand on a stove before believing that it is really hot, well, go ahead and try it once. Yes, it feels very nice. Experience it and understand how yes, you could get very addicted to that wonderful, numb feeling of utter niceness.

And then never do it again. The end.

- A*** 19 years old + dead from an OD (easily done, how do you know how strong the 'gear' is?)
- P**** amiable, educated, early 20s, reduced to becoming a male street prostitute, having unprotected sex in railway station toilets to get money for his next hit.
- G*** abandoned husband and kid for life as prostitute to support her habit.
- G**** started dabbling in mid-20s, few years later broke both legs throwing himself from bridge in failed suicide bid.

Me, I thought I lifelong hatred of pills would negate any urge I ever had to take drugs. It didn't. There's always ways of getting around everything.

Bear in mind, Marianne Faithful aparently never injected herself in her life.

I think Kate is OTM in this post. But I don't see anyway America could fix this in thier culture.

I wouldn't get into it mainly because drug dealers are scum and the stuff you buy off them is going to be filthy. Heroin isn't that much different to codeine and most other opiates so just buy a big load of those Cocodinol drugs from the chemist and gulp a couple of those down whenever you're feeling a bit uptight. There's stuff on the internet about how to filter the paracetemol out of them so you can get a more intense hit off them. This way isn't particularly healthy but if you really need something to numb you then this is a lot safer.

yeah, burroughs really makes excuses for it: 'It takes THREE months of using the stuff to get addicted' as if in that period you could get leave it.

As a young child one of the best anti-needle triads I'd experenced was my mother having to take insulin 3 times a day because of her diabities. One time she asked me to help her with the injection. I couldn't do it to her,to myself or anyone else. I don't care how "good" it will make me feel, I never want to try anything that invovles using needles to this day...

'Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose a three-piece suite on hire purchase in a range of fucking fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life.'

My answer to that is, get the fuck out of the working class, and get the fuck out of Scotland. Because with heroin you know it's only going to be that plus petty crime, the odd high, AIDS, death. (Maybe that's Welsh's point too.)

I forgot to mention that I knew a really nice couple, Pete and Marie, in Edinburgh in the early 80s. They were friends of the Postcard bands. Both died from AIDS as a result of needle-sharing.

You might as well go into the reasons here, if you're going to admit in a public forum that you're interested in trying heroin, using what looks like your real name. If it's a matter of not implicating friends, feel free to use alternate names for them. Please. I think most of us want to see if there's another way around your reasons.

Very, very much so. I've walked through there a few times, and I have good friends who had to live in that area for a while, and they said it was one of the most depressing and hopeless situations they had to deal with on a daily basis. (anthony, you lived there for a while, right?)

As an ex-opiate addict myself (who lost the best part of a decade to that shit) there’s two things I’d really like to impress upon you (leaving aside all the standard scare stuff about the awfulness of withdrawal etc – which, by the way, is all true, whatever some people might say about it being no worse than a dose of the flu):

1. if you’re drawn to the idea of heroin because you have a yearning for heightened experience (as I did) then forget it. After a few months, not only will the high have lost most of its power, but you’ll have lost all ability to emotionally connect with those things that once made ordinary life at worst bearable, at best cherishable.

2. if, on the other hand, you’re looking to numb yourself to reality as a means of escaping depression or anxiety or some other affliction which makes everyday life seem too painful to cope with, then forget it too. After an initial period of relief, you’ll get all that shit back rebounded, only 50 times worse.

And in either case, not only will the smack stop doing what you took it to do, but by the time it does you’ll have become physically addicted. Which means you’ll be stuck with emotional deadness and the desperate recurring need for a fix (and all the degradation that goes with that) for, in all likelihood, many (of what ought to be your best) years (presuming, that is, you’re one of the lucky ones who make it through in the end.)

It might sound trite, but if you struggle on through whatever difficulties you’re having, chances are things will work themselves out of their own accord. (Jesus, I can’t believe I’ve ended up giving the kind of advice my twenty-year-old self had nothing but total fucking disdain for. Here’s hoping you’re not as dumb as I was..)

OMG I can't believe someone thought of "trying" heroin. Please don't it is dangerous and it is gross. If you need to escape try pain medications, codeine, something more legit. Experimenting with heroin is strictly for the hardcore...like if you're preparing for your movie role or doing medical research or something.

Heroin sucks, it makes you feel infantile and dependent. I can understand the curiosity but...

tip: don't try pain medications, codeine, something more legit

Anyway, if you are the sort of person that NEEDS to try everything once, and needs to actually put their hand on a stove before believing that it is really hot, well, go ahead and try it once. Yes, it feels very nice. Experience it and understand how yes, you could get very addicted to that wonderful, numb feeling of utter niceness.

And then never do it again. The end.

― kate, Saturday, 2 November 2002 09:58 (8 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Funnily enough, I have done that. (put my hand on a stove, I mean. I was four. I got taken to the hospital burns unit, got a heck of a lot of cream and treatment, and it healed completely.)

I have also been in a position to appreciate what drugs like H could be like, that sensation (no it wasn't actually heroin or anything like it), due to having various treatments for crohns...

So, anyway, it's easier not knowing.

You know those stressful moments where you think "I could use a cig", and yet as I never smoked, it never occurred to me? That.