Les Enfant du paradis

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From the A necessary post post thread:

"Ronan is so OTM it is scary. There haven't been enough film threads recently."

I just say this today for the first time, and I think it may be the best film I have ever seen. It had so many mesmerizing scenes where I was on the edge of my seat shifting restlessly. The 190 mins went by really fast and there wasn't a moment where my thoughts wondered (and this is very impressive because I watched it in a library viewing cubicle with uncomfortable seats and headphones.)

(a side note: As I was leaving the library where I watched this movie. Being overstruck with emotion I put Julee Cruise's "mystery of love" on my walkman and started it just as I was walking outside. The vocals came in just as the cold air hit me and I looked up to see the sun setting. It was one of those amazing surreal moments.)

A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 14 February 2003 02:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Some sloppiness above: say=saw

A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 14 February 2003 02:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I actually discovered this accidentally my freshman year of college when I went to the cinema to see Clint Eastwood's Pale Riders; I thought it was Thursday, but it was actually Wednesday (these things happen in college) and Children of Paradise was on the menu. There were only about five people in the theater, and I believe we were all spellbound for every minute of this 3+ hour movie.

You should try to see other films by Prévert/Carné, there are a lot. Carné was considered one of the greatest directors in the world for a long time (his film Le jour se lève made the Top 10 Sight & Sound poll in 1952, its first year), but his prestige was considerably diminished by the auterist/Cahiers crew and subsequent generations of film buffs.

Where do you live? If you live in the US there are only a few on DVD, if you live in the UK there are many available from France.

Anyway, some titles:

Drôle de drame (or Bizarre, Bizarre)--coming out on DVD in the US soon.
Quai des brumes (or Port of Shadows)
Le jour se lève
Les visiteurs du soir

Prévert also wrote great films for/with Jean Renoir and Jean Grémillon. He was sort of ubiqitous--as a poet, as a screenwriter, and a left-wing journalist (and a songwriter!) in the 30s.

Anyway, it is fabulous when you emerge from the movie and everything has a different cast, even the air has changed; I feel more alert and aware of every sound, smell, sight. Coming out of the Brattle in Boston after seeing Ordet was the greatest such experience for me.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 14 February 2003 03:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I just purchased the Criterion Collection edition of Children of Paradise for my non-live-in SO for Valentine's Day. I've not seen the film in ages - last time was on a well-worn VHS tape, that, if I recollect correctly, was actually a copy. Anyway, I am eagerly anticipating watching it again this weekend (as well as watching The Princess Bride with my other SO). Woo-hoo!

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Friday, 14 February 2003 03:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm in the US, so some of the French films I want to see are hard to come by. That's why I was watching this one in the library. The quality isn't too good, but maybe I will end up ordering DVDs of some of the better movies I see. I've watched a lot of Renoir's films in the same place, but I don't think I've seen any he's done with Prevert. I'll check to see if they have some of the ones you suggested.

A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 14 February 2003 03:55 (twenty-two years ago)

The film on which Prévert and Renoir worked together is The Crime of Monsieur Lange, one of the greatest political films I know. (One of the only ones I can actually say is "subversive" without embarrassing myself.)

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 14 February 2003 04:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I taped it off TCM a while ago, but haven't watched yet. It's strange that it's so obscure, considering I've never heard anything negative about it.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 14 February 2003 11:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Watching videos in libraries is a very odd sensation. Watching films on planes is strange. Watching television blown up on a cinema screen is odd too. Site specific works?

Pete (Pete), Friday, 14 February 2003 11:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I love Quai Des Brumes and Le Jour Se Lève even more, but Enfants is a great film. It seems absurd to say this of someone who wrote in a language where I am nowhere near fluent, but Prevert might be my favourite ever screenwriter.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 14 February 2003 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think its absurd, though I think esp. of Drole de drame that some awareness of what he's doing with the French language is crucial to a full appreciation. (I.e. that film is overloaded with double-entendres and especially a very odd profusion of adverbs, which depending on the print you saw may or may not have been captured in the subtitles.)

I actually think Prevert's best writing is the films he made with Jean Gremillon and Pierre Laroche, Lumière d'été and Remorques (the latter has my favorite Jean Gabin role outside of Gueule d'amour .

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 14 February 2003 21:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Martin et al, Amazon.fr is having a sale on StudioCanal DVDs, incl. many films written and/or directed by Carne and Prevert. See here. Just enter the code "3P2-dvd-cultes" before you check out and it's three for the price of two (they're pretty cheap to begin with).

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Incidentally, this series includes Renoir's Le Testament du Docteur Cordelier which features an incredible lead performance by Jean-Louis Barrault...who plays Baptiste Debureau in Les Enfants du paradis.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't afford a DVD player!

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
I plan to watch this tonight because obviously one cheers oneself up by watching incredibly depressive French cinema.

Allyzay, Friday, 5 March 2004 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't find this movie depressing at all! Maybe just the last scene. The rest of it makes me want to be all foppish and confound the local constabulary (though I draw the line at miming).

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 5 March 2004 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't care how much of a genius people say I am at it.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 5 March 2004 00:20 (twenty-one years ago)

After seeing it I wanted to do some miming.

A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 5 March 2004 00:21 (twenty-one years ago)

(me too)

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 5 March 2004 00:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you think there are mime lurkers on ILX?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 5 March 2004 00:23 (twenty-one years ago)

The treatment of Garance throughout, as an object to either be saved or to be "kept" but never actually to be known and truly cared about, makes me want to die every time I see it. The ending is bleak but in a weird way; she is better off without Baptiste.

This miming and constabule confounding is merely secondary! MEN.

Allyzay, Friday, 5 March 2004 00:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish Aja and Dante were mimes.

Allyzay, Friday, 5 March 2004 00:23 (twenty-one years ago)

(I decided if I watched this movie tonight, I would kill myself, so instead I chose the incredibly lighthearted AMADEUS instead)

Allyzay, Friday, 5 March 2004 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)

haha, if it's on my wishlist and it's my birthday, then where the f*ck is my copy!

Also yes, I see your point about the *depressing* nature of the film, but the treatment of everyone as an object to be kept or adored or the inverse is a given in my cosmology... haha! just kidding!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 5 March 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I HOPE YOU CHECK YOUR MAILBOX IN 5-9 BUSINESS DAYS SPENCER!!!

Allyzay, Friday, 5 March 2004 01:04 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG-Hooray! sorry then about the Falco post on your 'Amadeus' thread!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 5 March 2004 01:11 (twenty-one years ago)

haha it's ok, it was funny. Let's just say that if someone had to make that joke, I'm glad it was you!!

Allyzay, Friday, 5 March 2004 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Gare-wonce, I was going to post that scary pic of Falco in the video too!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 5 March 2004 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

dude I now owe you a cocktail for showing me how to pronounce that

TOMBOT, Friday, 5 March 2004 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

hahaha you should, compare his look to the EVEN SCARIER one sported by Tom Hulce!!

Allyzay, Friday, 5 March 2004 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost, haha yeah, they only say it about 10 million times in that movie.

this thread is so cliquey now, that I'm going to post falco here!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 5 March 2004 01:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Falco is appropriate on every thread, his video for Der Kommissar is the best thing in the whole world.

Allyzay, Friday, 5 March 2004 01:28 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.disco80.ru/a_php/ESLenta/images/784_1.jpg

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 5 March 2004 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Hott.

Allyzay, Friday, 5 March 2004 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

also Tom, this movie is fun to watch. I always end up downing like two bottles of wine and running to the tabac to buy gitanes. then I stumble down the street lamenting the fact that there are no french women around (because y'know I live in L.A.)

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 5 March 2004 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.metroactive.com/papers/cruz/04.03.02/gifs/amadeus-0214.jpg

It is a good movie, it should be watched. The bad thing is having to get up halfway thru and change discs!!

Allyzay, Friday, 5 March 2004 01:33 (twenty-one years ago)

what kind of girls name is Garance anyway?

A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 5 March 2004 05:11 (twenty-one years ago)

A really good one.

Allyzay, Friday, 5 March 2004 07:26 (twenty-one years ago)

over-rated collaborationist claptrap - how can you make a shodfdy movie like this when a few borders away people are being gassed by the train load? next you'll tell me hiroshima mon amour is a great piece of art and au borde de souffle is a fucking road movie.

Queen G of the morning after, Friday, 5 March 2004 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Hiroshima mon amour is boring rubbish.

Allyzay, Friday, 5 March 2004 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

ha! how closely did you look at my wishlist!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 5 March 2004 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

'Marienbad' is even better!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 5 March 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I stopped when I saw Les Enfants, Spencer! I'll give you a pass on this Hiroshima nonsense though.

Allyzay, Friday, 5 March 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

b-b-but a bout de souffle is a fucking awesome movie! how can anyone deny this?

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 6 March 2004 02:40 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...
The treatment of Garance throughout, as an object to either be saved or to be "kept" but never actually to be known and truly cared about, makes me want to die every time I see it. The ending is bleak but in a weird way; she is better off without Baptiste.

OTM.

Finally saw this (first part last night, second part tonight -- I actually think it works well with that bit of separation). I still can't believe I found the Criterion double-disc version used for $20. More thoughts later.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 June 2006 01:51 (nineteen years ago)

How many years y'all think I can drag it out without watching this?

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 9 June 2006 03:31 (nineteen years ago)

This is easily, by far, my favorite movie of all time. more thoughts later a la neddy ;)

Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 9 June 2006 03:39 (nineteen years ago)

Heheh. :-)

Dude, Tom -- it's worth seeing, seriously.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 June 2006 03:56 (nineteen years ago)

I need to retry this movie. Do you guys who love it speak French? I don't normally struggle to connect with foreign films or subtitled films, but I can't seem to get into any early French films apart from The Rules of the Game and The Grand Illusion.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 9 June 2006 04:25 (nineteen years ago)

Do you guys who love it speak French?

Nope, but god knows I love the quality of the actors' voices, beautifully cast for that reason alone. V. easy to get into (and I love Them Other Two Film Classics too, so there ya go).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 June 2006 04:27 (nineteen years ago)

This is my favorite movie.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 9 June 2006 05:00 (nineteen years ago)

i just watched this last year, finally. i was expecting it to be good, but i was still kind of amazed. one of those movies where i feel like you could unlock the universe if you watched it long enough. everything is inside there.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 9 June 2006 06:50 (nineteen years ago)

I will never forget the first time I saw this movie.

Any love for Les Bas Fonds?

Incidentally, Barrault and his wife founded the Théâtre Marigny in '46 and put on plays there for ten years. He was the theater director for the Théâtre de l'Odéon from '59 until '68, putting on plays by Duras, Beckett, Genet, and Ionesco and only being kicked out after he let soixante-huitard students occupy the theater for a month. From '66 to '68, he was also the director of the Théâtre des Nations, bringing over, notably, Peter Brook's Living Theater. He had several other theaters afterwards. He is known in the States primarily as a film actor and he did continue to work in films for many years but amongst the French and especially amongst actors, he is revered for his commitment to the stage.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 9 June 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

A true dude, from the sound of it! :-)

Still so much I could say about this film and I almost don't know where to start. Hmm hmm hmm. For a beginning, then, I think this is a film where its 'minor' characters almost uniformly play key roles, and that if they weren't there then it wouldn't be as grand as it is. And I say that noting that there's a striking, almost dramatic difference between those characters who individually speak and 'the mob,' whether it's the audience at the various theaters or the crowds on the Boulevard, who often seem to speak in one voice. Not a deep thought, perhaps, but it struck me, and I am still teasing it out. If Prevert's screenplay was more or less followed faithfully then I really have to praise him beyond measure.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 June 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

Prévert was a lovely screenwriter, truly.

As I was looking up some info on Barrault, I found something of trivial interest for all the Amélie lovers and haters. It's full title in French, translated, is 'The Fabulous Destiny of Amélie Poulain' and appears to be calqued directly from Sacha Guitry's screenplay Le destin fabuleux de Désirée Clary, filmed in '42, a story about a young marseillaise destined to marry Joseph Bonaparte who falls for his brother, Napoleon. She ends up marrying one of his Marshals, Bernadotte, who eventually becomes king of Sweden.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 9 June 2006 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

Gore Vidal said that Jacques Prevert was the greatest screenwriter EVER.

I saw it a few years ago on a crappy two-part videocassette. The Criterion edition has always been on my list of essential purchases. Damn Ned to hell for buying it for $20 :)

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 9 June 2006 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

I'll piss you off even more -- I was also able to find the two-disc Once Upon a Time in the West and the original Italian Job. Combined price? $10 -- because they were both in the CLEARANCE section. I love stupid people.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 June 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)


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