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What is it with lager in the UK? Why is it always so hangover-inducing, even in small quantities? Is there a safe but tasty lager to be found in a British pub?

Daniel (dancity), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 09:06 (twenty-two years ago)

You should drink D, found in any Sam Smith's pub.

This, by the way, is really terrible advice.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 09:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Because it is stonger than US lager by quite some way generally. Unfortunately the powers that be (the brewers) have responded to binge drinking by removing most of the session lagers and replacing them with hangover inducing premiums (if your prone). Carling is still about 4%, but if you can get Fosters in a pub, its probably your best bet at 3.7%. Heineken used to be my week lager of choice, but its recently be premiumed up.

In particular Meercans beware - your beloved Budweiser is almost twice as strong in the UK.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 09:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Drink leffe, its so expensive you'll never get enough to a get a decent hangover.

Budvar is pretty good for a a hangover free evening but I dislike drinking 33cl bottles so I'll only have it if it's draft or in the big bottles. Staropramen is good for hangover free drinking too. Both are freerer from the chemical muck that gets into stella and carling.

Basically, try and avoid lager that's brewed in the UK because its full of chemical preservatives which seem to cause a worse hangover.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 09:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Stella, Carling and Heineken have all been bumped up in stregth over recent years and I dislike this. A lot of ales and bitters are getting stronger too. There is very little small beer left nowadays and sometimes that's what you want.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 09:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought I was the only one who'd noticed the alcohol content of most pints gradually creeping up. Drinking pints of Stella is like drinking lighter fluid these days.

But yes, they're hangover-inducing primarily because they're pumped full of chemicals that are partly there as preservatives and also partly to make you thirsty, thus buying more beer.

I'm not sure I agree with Ed on Staropramen.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 09:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Staropramen gives me a headache *while* I'm drinking it. So I don't.

My friend Peter was proudly telling me about the legal standards applied to German beer, bless him, and denouncing British lager as filth. Ah, if I ruled the world...

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 09:27 (twenty-two years ago)

It's true, though only something I've come to realise in the last few years, i.e. if I drink less potent lagers I can a) drink more of them and b) suffer less. It's gutting whenever your only choice is Fosters (or Carling or Carlsberg on a lucky day). It's worth trying the brewery lagers, Youngs being my local example - they may not necessarily taste nicer but there's always a chance they're made in a healthier way.

Mark C (Mark C), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 09:30 (twenty-two years ago)

No, Star can give you silly hangovers. Its also owned by Coors now (if my linking up of the brewery buyout ladder makes sense) so freedom from preservatives is less likely. Leffe is of course stronger than any of the above, but served in ponces halves so doesn't count. You'll be telling the man to drink gueze next.

Drink a shandy or just drink slower is a good guide too.Ask for the cooking lager. Decided are you drinking for the taste or to get pissed, if the later then it is in your interest to be drinking weaker beer anyway.I usually change gear after three or four pints anyway.

Its not the preservatives that give you hangovers kids, its the ale (sorry but its true). Proof of this is in Germany where you can get some right rubbish hangovers quite happily (and they do). Ayengerbrau is brewed under the German Purity Laws and hence Sam Smiths is yet again tops - but they don't really do a session lager.

Of course the barrelage that a busy UK pub gets through means that the preservatives are environementally necessary if you are to reduce the delivery of barrels every day (causing much road congestion and pollution).

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 09:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Youngs Pilsner / Youngs Lager = num num. (Pilsner strong though).
Grolsch of the big Euro strong beers seems to leave me pretty unscathed too.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 09:35 (twenty-two years ago)

How strong is the Fat Man, Pete?

D is a session lager. A session in hospital. Har.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 09:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Fat man is a healthy 4.7% I think.

This thread only proves the need for an Ayinger Brauerei expose on the relaunched FT.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 09:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Session/cooking lager ought to be 4% or under.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 09:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Crikey! 4.7%! You people are disgusting soaks.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 09:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Aha - another supporter of my Ayingerbrau theory.

Obviously we are not talking about eliminating hangovers althogether, but I've noticed I've been getting particularly dirty lager hangovers recently.

The fat man is about 4.3%, I think.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 09:44 (twenty-two years ago)

>In particular Meercans beware - your beloved Budweiser is almost twice as strong in the UK.

Bud is 10% ABV in UK? What the fuck ever. Typical lager is 4.5%-5.5% everwhere, unless its what in the US is called "malt liquor", but that sort of thing almost always advertises it alcohol strength. "Lite" beer is in the 3.5%-4.5% range.

If you want to avoid hangovers, the best thing to help is to drink lots of water.

fletrejet, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 09:59 (twenty-two years ago)

See? No hangovers here!

http://www.ayinger-bier.de/images/frontpages/frontpage.gif

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 10:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Litovel(sp?) which I've only seen in the Swimmers proved non hangover-inducing after I consumed critical quantities. That's the Classic rather than the Premium.

robster (robster), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 10:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Num num Litovel. Must have another trip to the Swimmer. Maybe that quiz again...

I stand correct vis a vis US Budweiser which is 5% everywhere except Utah, Colorado and Kansas (where it is 3.2%)

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 10:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought the fat man was 4.5%. Anyway, it's marginally better than drinking Stella (5.2%) or Kronenberg (5%), and it's 30% cheaper too.

When I was at university, in my first year, I helpfully provided a chart for my corridor detailing the units of alcohol you got per pound in the drinks on sale around campus. Way out in front, with over 4 units per pound, was Londis own brand strong dry cider. Can you guess what I drank throughout my 1st year?

Mark C (Mark C), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 11:38 (twenty-two years ago)

For those flummoxed by Mark's brain-teaser, here's a clue: That is so gross.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

(that is a grebt thread btw)

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 11:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Gosh, thanks for the tips, chaps. Like some of you, I have noticed that things have been getting worse of late, culminating in this morning's grim head after just one and a half Kronenbourg. And I kept up with water intake. It's silly. The Staropramen debate intrigues me. In Prague it's a frothy thing of wonder. In London it verges on the Fosters. Litovel... I think I've seen it recently. It is something to do with alcohol content. In the Czech Republic, lager is a good deal weaker, so you drink it for longer. Makes sense, ze jo?

Daniel (dancity), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 12:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Lager ain't weaker in the Czech republic as far as I know, but you do get less due to the frothy head. A standard glass (500ml , 68ml than a UK pint) will have 20% head at least (often 30 - 35%). Hence you are getting approx 350-400ml beer: 2/3 of the UK pint, leading to less pissedness.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 12:08 (twenty-two years ago)

vat is min-ging Mark C

I like Staropramen but seldom have it on tap, it's not available on tap here anywhere I've been. I thought Budvar et al were 5 percent in the Czech Republic when I was there. Am I wrong?

I don't know if any beer doesn't give you a hangover, my days of being able to say "I don't really get hangovers" are gone gone gone sadly.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 12:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Pilseners like Staropramen and Budvar are delicate beers that don't travel well. This is why its always better to get it at the source. As it happens I will be in Prague in less than 24 hours. Yay!

fletrejet, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 12:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm pretty sure Staropramen, Budvar, Pilsner Urquall etc are the same strength in the Czech Rep. Lovely and cheap though.

For all the youngsters around be warned - hangovers get exponentially worse the older you get. Now I stick to a six pint limit (almost) all of the time, stay away from the shitty preservative-filled lagers (in fact, I've mostly gone back to bitter), and water over the course of the evening as well as before going to bed is essential.

Sometimes I fuck up. Saturday before last was the first morning in a long time I woke up with a proper hangover, but you need one of those every now and again just to remind you.

James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 12:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Weak beer is for fairies. And Budweiser was like pissy water when I was drinking cans of it in the states, unless they spotted we had fake ID and were giving us non-alcoholic, we ended up drinking colt 45 as it was the only thing that had any taste.

It's very rare that I drink lager, but if I do it'll be Star or wife-beater.

chris (chris), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 13:03 (twenty-two years ago)

My ex-favorite pub (it closd down *sniff*) Did Blonde and Brunne Leffe by the pint. Yum! Only £3.70 as well = cheaper per unit than most premium lagers.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 13:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Price,

price and taste dictates for me what i drink, i refuse to drink Heineken or Carling as it is just so damn horrid, christ its as bad as skol. Stella num num for me.
When you get older i find its that, that dictates a hangover not the beer you are drinking. Oddly i can drink quite a lot of red wine without it affecting m,e to much but lager, forget about it i can have about a one pint maximum no hangover guarantee, anything over that and im screwed.

Star tastes like apples

james (james), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 13:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I liked Gambrinas but the LJR has stopped doing it - where else, anyone?

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 13:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Lately I have been giving Cruzcampo a try, it is nice. Also Tiger. Again I am unsure of hangovers as I don't drink expensive beer to excess get drunk levels.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 13:39 (twenty-two years ago)

The Rosemary Brach also has Litovel, although I've not had enough to test its hangover inducing properties. Rosemary brach has a very decent selection of interesting lagers, may have gambrinus, which is my favorite generic belgian beer.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

The Eagle on Farringdon Road does Gambrinus.

James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 13:52 (twenty-two years ago)

forgotten about that.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 13:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Gambrinus is Czech - another beer by the Urquell brewery.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I was going to say, that's the beer I was caning in Prague at the brewery!

chris (chris), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)

The Poetry Cafe used to do Gambrinas!

In Glasgow last weekend a v nice Belgian Beer was £1.35 a pint. (Actually I think all the beers were that price)

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

My favourites at home at the moment are Becks and Cobra. Cobra because I get one free with every takeaway curry, and I like the large bottles. Becks because it tastes great and I don't drink enough of it anymore to fuck me up.

James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 14:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry I was thinking of Grimbergen. Lager begining with G addled my brain.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

San Mig makes me very, very ill indeed.

C J (C J), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)

"Youngs Pilsner" i tried this on your advice and it was muck.

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Be suspicious of any lager brewed in the UK.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

i like the huge san miguel bottles from tesco's, i get to lower my 'pants' and get all "menace to society" whilst downing my 40 (?) from a bag.

james (james), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 15:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry Ambrose, but I think its got a lovely clean taste, refreshing like a lager should be without a serious after taste.

Of course the Leffe and Hoegarden we get on tap in the UK is mainly brewed in the UK, what with Interbrew owning them. Just because it is brewed in the Uk it isn't necessarily crap, the preservatives aren't in the water. However the general balndness of most UK lagers is more a taste thing, no extremes, popular for everyone.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought leffe was still imported. It was when they started marketing it, but you're right about interbrew generally making stuff in this country although they do like to seed with imports at the begining of a marketing assult.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

WIth the quantities which are now being consumed its not cost effective to import that kind of barrelage. A quick internet check shows that the Blonde is now brewed in the Welsh uberplant. (Probably no the Brune though, its not mentioned). Same goes for Staropramen.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Is budvar still imported. Where do you find this information from, is there a central site or do you have to look at the brewer's pages.

(The Budvar from the offy round the corner is definately imported, bossibly in a dirty white van, as the labels are all in czech)

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Budvar still imported (still an independant company).

Interesting copyright news:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2772205.stm

Details above come from the Pub & Bar manager intranet site, which is passport protected for members only.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Passport? Blimey, they do take their security seriously.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

The Czech Club in West Hampstead used to do Gambrinus on tap, but I think someone mentioned recently that they were no lnger serving it, for some reason. As for strength and weakness in the Cz Rep, they tend to use a system of 'degrees', whereby the ten degree beer (desitka) is your standard thing that you can go on drinking for alarmingly long periods and the 12 (dvanactka) is the premium, stronger version. You occasionally got 14 and 16 but they were pretty revolting, as I recall. That's why I thought that Czech beer in its homeland was somehow weaker than what we drink over here. Or it could always have something to do with tolerance thresholds.

Daniel (dancity), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

1 degree is approximately 0.5% abv.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)

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Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Dear god was that an open goal.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 01:15 (twenty-two years ago)

lagerbüno?

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 06:29 (twenty-two years ago)

twelve years pass...

what the fuck were we all thinking

why was lager ever a thing

in the uk you can definitely sense the panic though

give it 25 years, i reckon lager is pretty much gone

except in australia

Laertiades (imago), Thursday, 24 March 2016 17:30 (ten years ago)

p.s. i'm quite drunk after a brewery tour (ale)

Laertiades (imago), Thursday, 24 March 2016 17:31 (ten years ago)

Almost all the best selling brewskies are some form of lager

Treeship, Thursday, 24 March 2016 17:42 (ten years ago)

an entire species conned by smart marketing

Laertiades (imago), Thursday, 24 March 2016 17:43 (ten years ago)

The majority of cold ones worldwide. What your suggesting would be quite the revolution.

Treeship, Thursday, 24 March 2016 17:43 (ten years ago)

i for one welcome our pale ale overlords, they are truly the kings of beer

art, Thursday, 24 March 2016 17:45 (ten years ago)

hate pale ale

conrad, Thursday, 24 March 2016 17:47 (ten years ago)

Pilsner Univerquell

Treeship, Thursday, 24 March 2016 17:47 (ten years ago)

I think this is, finally, the beer thread to break 500 new answers

Laertiades (imago), Thursday, 24 March 2016 17:48 (ten years ago)

I heard that stout is hoping for a brokered convention in which it can take the crown after lager and ale destroy each other in an apocalyptic flameout.

leprechaundriac (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 24 March 2016 17:49 (ten years ago)

as long as sixers of cheap lager continue to be the cheapest way to buy beer i will keep on drinking it

http://www.bcliquorstores.com/files/imagecache/product_larger/products/905000.jpg

trickle-down ergonomics (jim in glasgow), Thursday, 24 March 2016 17:49 (ten years ago)

xp If that happens I will be so mad at you LJ

Treeship, Thursday, 24 March 2016 17:49 (ten years ago)

Where can I get a six pack of 5% Pilsner for cheap?? The cheap pilsners in supermarkets are always about 2%.

tangenttangent, Thursday, 24 March 2016 17:52 (ten years ago)

vancouver obv

cheap canned ale is surely poised to become a thing everywhere tho

Laertiades (imago), Thursday, 24 March 2016 17:53 (ten years ago)

That really depends on where you are, Brewseph

Treeship, Thursday, 24 March 2016 17:53 (ten years ago)

xps to conrad - seems like pale ales are a binary state, either you love them over all things or they disgust you. for me it's like, bring on the palest hoppy'est ale you can find. there really is no limit ime

art, Thursday, 24 March 2016 18:00 (ten years ago)

i feel so unhip still drinking doppelbock

F♯ A♯ (∞), Thursday, 24 March 2016 18:04 (ten years ago)

If it wasn't for cheap lager the proletariat uprising would have occurred decades ago in the UK, but I still love it :p

calzino, Thursday, 24 March 2016 19:49 (ten years ago)

Pale Ale is definitely my favorite regular drinking beer -- Dale's or Sierra Nevada. I can do without IPAs though.

human life won't become a cat (man alive), Thursday, 24 March 2016 20:02 (ten years ago)

germany will always be drinking lager

just sayin, Thursday, 24 March 2016 20:57 (ten years ago)

Helles yeah

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 24 March 2016 20:59 (ten years ago)

just sayin

Treeship, Thursday, 24 March 2016 20:59 (ten years ago)

germans already know how to make good beer, hope they don't go through this microbrew wheel reinvention thing

human life won't become a cat (man alive), Thursday, 24 March 2016 21:00 (ten years ago)

i'll fuck with some Brooklyn Lager in the summer but they're not necessarily cheap

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 24 March 2016 21:01 (ten years ago)

Germany should be treated as an oddity and excluded from any discussion of international beer culture. However, the country with the best beer in the world still drinks more Jupiler than anything else iirc.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Thursday, 24 March 2016 21:02 (ten years ago)

idk i recently went to Germany for the first time and people were telling me about all this amazing beer before hand. get to Germany where there are a ton of different breweries making the same three beers.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 24 March 2016 21:03 (ten years ago)

That is exactly correct. German beer all tastes the same and has done for approx 500 years.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Thursday, 24 March 2016 21:04 (ten years ago)

noooo there is so much variation among german beers

Treeship, Thursday, 24 March 2016 21:04 (ten years ago)

not that they were bad and compared to domestic macros they were great but not all that.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 24 March 2016 21:05 (ten years ago)

http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/3695/115325/

this is one of my favorite brewskies of all time

Treeship, Thursday, 24 March 2016 21:05 (ten years ago)

germany will always be drinking lager

― just sayin, Thursday, March 24, 2016 8:57 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ya was gonna make a joke and say what have you got against the germans but

i'm stuck in the old country drinking lagers, bocks, and dunkels

F♯ A♯ (∞), Thursday, 24 March 2016 21:08 (ten years ago)


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