The X-Men (comics, not movies)

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Being recently inspired by the movie to start re-reading this book.. I have one basic question: which one should I read? I picked up some recent "New X-Men" issues today, and they're good. Should I also read Uncanny? It seems odd to me that Cyclops is around in Uncanny and missing in New. What about X-Treme X-Men? Hook me up with the low down.

― Ian Johnson, Wednesday, 28 May 2003 02:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Stick with New. There are occasional overlaps into the others but the writing on New is head-and-shoulders above Uncanny (and head-and-shoulders-and-torso-and-genitals-and-thighs-and-knees-and-shins above X-Treme).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 02:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Do the different series all supposedly occur simultaneously? Parallel universes? Same universe different time?

― Ian Johnson, Wednesday, 28 May 2003 02:43 (twenty-two years ago)

They're all parallel.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 02:44 (twenty-two years ago)

New X-Men is great, so long as Grant Morrison is writing it. Uncanny is okay, but not worth it (at least for me). The rest of 'em are pretty bleah, but that's just my opinion.

All of Morrison's run on New X-Men has been collected. It's all good.

But so's most stuff that Morrison writes.

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 02:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Didn't we do this thread last week too?

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, we did.

The ILX comics fan hive mind feels that the Grant Morrison written New X-Men comic is probably the only current X-Title worth reading, although some would claim that X-Statix is also worth looking at.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

X-Statix is good but I don't consider it to be a core X-title, so I didn't mention it.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

BTW, Ian, in case you want to read these opinions again, the original X-Men comic thread is right here.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Btw, Cyclop's is definitely in New X-Men, he's one of the central characters (and he's actually not that boring for once).

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 29 May 2003 00:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Except he ran away a couple of issues ago after being caught by Jean in psychic adultery with Emma Frost.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 29 May 2003 11:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Who would have guessed that the book with Cyclops, Phoenix and Wolverine would be WAY BETTER than the book with Nightcrawler and Iceman and INFINITELY BETTER than the book with Storm and Rogue?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 29 May 2003 11:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah. Btw Dan, does everyone hate Gambit now or is he being written somewhere (can't remember if this question was answered on the other thread, too lazy to look)?

I haven't quite gotten to that issue yet Martin, seems to be where things were going though. Conversation between me and my girlfriend the other day:

Me: Is telepathic sex cheating?
Her: Would you want me to have telepathic sex with someone else?
Me: Oh, um, right.
(I still want to have telepathic sex though)

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 29 May 2003 22:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan, I believe you could stick Grant Morrison w/ Liefeld's X-Force, the lame-o's from Generation X, and Marrow, and _New X-Men_ would STILL be the best X-related book out there.

I think Gambit's in _X-Treme X-Men_, which means he's lost. Forget about him - he's already dead.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 29 May 2003 23:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Why can Cyclops be missing in one title and hanging around in another? Wasn't there a time in the past when Uncanny X-Men and X-Men took place in the same time and continuity?

― Ben Matson, Thursday, 29 May 2003 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)

But Dave, I liked the lame-o's from Generation X and Marrow. (I draw the line a Liefeld's X-Force, although Nicieza's X-Force was pretty great if not as good as Moore's.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 30 May 2003 09:32 (twenty-two years ago)

<comic guy> Well, a lot of these stories, that take part over months in real life, only take a day or so in the story. So you get one day for issues 1-3, then a gap of months before two days for issues 4-6, and so on. So short-term stuff in another title can fit in between the gaps.</comic guy>

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 30 May 2003 09:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Perhaps Cyclops is hanging out with other X-pals while he waits for Jean to calm down. I neither know nor care.

Sorry about the spoiler, Jordan - I thought I was safe mentioning something from 3 or 4 issues back.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 30 May 2003 12:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry to ask, but can someone tell me what happened to Generation X and its characters? I used to really like this, when it started. According to the cover of Murder in the Mansion pt 2 Chamber's still around, anyone else?

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 30 May 2003 12:54 (twenty-two years ago)

The Gen Xers are scattered through the books; Husk is featured in Uncanny, Chamber used to be featured in Uncanny and M was in a New storyline.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 30 May 2003 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)

No great dramatic cull, then? Thanks. I'm liking New a lot.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 30 May 2003 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

About continuity, didn't Marvel just decide at one point to fuck it and give everyone their own title to muck about with, seperate from all the others? It seems like it would be way too hard to coordinate ideas otherwise.

Oh and don't worry about Martin, it's my own fault for leeching off my girlfriend's comics and not keeping up on my own.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 30 May 2003 13:21 (twenty-two years ago)

jordan, that's what I thought, but Andrew Farrell insists that there is some coordination between X-titles.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 30 May 2003 14:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I was just explaining how continuity between titles with overlapping membership is sometimes done. See also JLA vs Superman/Batman/Wonder Woman etc.

And Uncanny _has_ had a big thing over the last few months about "Well, whatever Prof X(Morrison) wants to do is his own business, but it's not for us". Or so I'm told.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 30 May 2003 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Both Uncanny and X-Treme X-Men (can't fucking believe they let that name happen) have both taken potshots at what Morrison is doing in New X-Men.

Waah. Crybabies.

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Friday, 30 May 2003 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

What Matt said. Claremont's been the most offensive re: the Morrison schism, but I'm sure Austen's taken some shots, too (given that Austen's been willing to take shots at anyone that dares suggest his tenure on Uncanny hasn't been as great as its supporters think) (tho if interweb mentalists were spouting off about how I sucked & doing so via lots of typos & shitty grammar, I'd probably snap back & call them all idiots, too) (tho it'd be nice if Austen could just write well enough to at least shut up the well-spoken & reasonable critics) (I mean, I've actually read folks criticizing Morrison for some of the stuff folks bitch about re: Austen).

I think the editors of the group books & the solo books have to act as moderators, w/ the solo books getting priority over the group books (at least, in DC's case) - so-and-so asks if Spandex Boy can be used for X months in a 6-issue arc involving Statick Cling & the Lintt Trapp, and Spandex Boy's editor relates that there's going to be some costume & sex changes, so the League of Stretchy Polycotton Blends writer & editor knows to make note of these changes.

Ironically, I've heard rumbles that Morrison's New X-Men shenanigans re: the White Queen et. al. have slightly perturbed some of the folks writing newer Marvel series (like the upcoming White Queen monthly, & the new New Mutants), in that they weren't told about certain things (like, y'know, the White Queen being, um, you know).

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 30 May 2003 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

like, y'know, the White Queen being, um, you know

...white?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 May 2003 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)

ILX needs spoiler tag support.

But all is not as it seems, either. WRT The White Queen, that is.

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Friday, 30 May 2003 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

"<font color="white"></font>" is your friend, guys.

The White Queen got shot and broken apart into itty bitty fragments. Jean resurrected her in the most recent issue; every day she scares me a little more.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 30 May 2003 18:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I never imagined it was - from the start I didn't believe it.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 30 May 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

So how about that first ish of Rucka's Wolverine? Wow.

― Leee (Leee), Sunday, 1 June 2003 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I picked it up based on a recommendation from here, I love it.

Unfortunately, I checked out the artist's websites and apparently Marvel are being fuckwits and asking him to change the character design and make him prettier (and still won't let Logan smoke cigars).

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 2 June 2003 03:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Just so you folks know why most people are giving Uncanny X-Men the high hat, here's a synopsis of what the bad guys are trying to do nowadays (with the full review of said issue available here) (brace yourselves):

"The villains are going to usurp command of Catholicism by installing Nightcrawler as the Pope and using murderous disintegrating communion wafers."

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 2 June 2003 13:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Artificial boobs, that's the problem re; White Queen, correct?

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 2 June 2003 13:39 (twenty-two years ago)

The problem, Daver, is that in the right hands and the right context that would be the greatest plot ever (imagine if Joe Kelly was writing it and it had appeared in Deadpool, for example). Playing with something like that in a book as straight as UXM is begging for ridicule.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 2 June 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

What Dan said. In the hands of a master, it'd be genius.

Austen is not a master.

Imagine the Zucker brothers taking this plot and running with it. But instead we've got the guy who's actually doing it.

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Monday, 2 June 2003 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan, you are so right. It occured to me that a good number of Morrison's X-Men plots could be equally silly (cf. Professor X strangling his twin in the womb because she was Unadulterated Evil, only to have her possess him 50+ years later, only to be defeated by being tricked into entering a mitochondrian-looking blobby synthetic construct), but he handles them in such a way that the severe ridiculousness of the situation doesn't come into question. It's as if he respects the silliness of the concept enough to acknowledge it w/out giving in. (I imagine this is a strength of most pre-Silver Age stories, too.)

You know, I have trouble telling Casey from Kelly, and I haven't read a darn thing from either of them.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 2 June 2003 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I talked a good deal with Grant in the past about things like the Broome/Fox/Infantino Flash - we were both fans, which I think fits with what you say there.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 2 June 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

You never read Kelly's Deadpool? It was BRILLIANT; he wrote it for something like two years and did some inspired lunatic humor interspersed with harrowing psychotic shit. He brought the same irreverent reverence to his X-Men run and completely divided fans into the camp who loved the way he wrote his team (this was the Marrow/Maggott/Reyes era) and people who hated the new characters and wanted more Kitty/Colossus/Nightcrawler (those people eventually won and Kelly got swept off to the side, rather unfairly IMO).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 2 June 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Your love of Deadpool confirms my alternate universe theory.

― Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 2 June 2003 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

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― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 2 June 2003 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

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