Women who prefer male friends

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Why is this? Sisters!

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 19 June 2003 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know that it's "prefer", it just usually turns out that my friends are guys.

That Girl (thatgirl), Thursday, 19 June 2003 22:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Can you really not account for it?

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 19 June 2003 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

it only sucks if its a conscious decision. i can't stand it when people you respect make stupid generalisations about what women are supposedly like as an explanation for hanging out predominantly with men. its not like men are any better.

di smith (lucylurex), Thursday, 19 June 2003 23:13 (twenty-two years ago)

there've been times in my life when i've hung out with one sex more than another, sometimes it just happens that way.

di smith (lucylurex), Thursday, 19 June 2003 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)

having mostly chix for friends is cool except they don't play basketball with me

mookieproof (mookieproof), Thursday, 19 June 2003 23:23 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not a conscious decision N. I just think guys really like me and I like to drink a lot of beer. And swear. Hmm.. .

That Girl (thatgirl), Thursday, 19 June 2003 23:25 (twenty-two years ago)

thats cos you rule, ddg.

di smith (lucylurex), Thursday, 19 June 2003 23:26 (twenty-two years ago)

*gets a bit paranoid at Di's comment*

OK, I admit, much of my friends are male, and its pretty well known amongst my associates that I have this "I dont trust many women" attitude. But I dont apply that to everyone as a blanket thing.

Its just... yeah, I prefer guy friends (with a small handful of exceptions). To answer Nick's "why", in my case (and I have thought about why a lot) it is twofold: mainly, I had 2 brothers and no sisters. Grew up around lots of younger guys. Always thought it was more fun running around, climbing trees and dismantling things than sitting aroung gossiping about things in Smash Hits (tho I did that too!). The second reason which may be more of an excuse, is that all bar maybe 2 girls I went to school with treated me like shit. And my best friend, and several female friends since, have betrayed me in equally heinous ways (trying to appropriate friends and boyfriends, getting you to spill your guts over something personal and then going and blabbing about it to all and sundry, etc)

While I totally agree its not just guys, unfortunately I'm in the situation where the worst kicks in the face Ive had have been from girls, rarely from guys.

Having said all that it isnt WHY I prefer male friends. I just happen to think guys are all gorgeous and adorable :)

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 19 June 2003 23:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Men have far more, way over the top, fucked me over incredibly worse than any woman ever could. But I never hold the crimes of an indvidual against the whole. Every person is an individual.

That Girl (thatgirl), Thursday, 19 June 2003 23:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Sisters!

*shudder*

I really dislike the idea of "sisterhood," "female solidarity," etc. That I'm supposed to support and stick up for my fellow chixors just because we share some anatomy and a history of oppression (yawn, everyone in the world is "oppressed" these days). I hardly ever feel like I have anything in common with other women -- this isn't true ALL of the time, but most of the time it is. I relate to men better. And I especially hate the clucking-hen kaffeeklatsches that form when "we women gotta stick together" against some evil (usu. a female they find disagreeable).

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 20 June 2003 00:14 (twenty-two years ago)

JBR, I kiss you.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 20 June 2003 00:16 (twenty-two years ago)

My girlfriend can only have male friends. She doesn't get along with other women. It's strange. So she has male friends. And then they fancy her and it's fucked up. But after all she lets them touch her paps in the park. And I don't really mind. It's strange.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Friday, 20 June 2003 00:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I prefer female friends.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 20 June 2003 00:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I fancy half my male friends but bizarrely thats partly the point, i think. I find if I think of everyone I know and like as fanciable, everythings more fun somehow. I would never act on this unless I could see it was a mutual thing, of course. I also (usually) dont harp on any attraction to male friends. Its just a feeling in me.

Hmm maybe thats weirder than I realised.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 20 June 2003 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I've always had more (and closer) female friends than male ones, but I get along equally well with both sexes (I can play Neanderthal when necessary). I think it's just random in my case.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 20 June 2003 00:58 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not a conscious thing for me - gender isn't an issue so much as who the person is and whether or not we mesh well, is. Right now I think I'm running about 3:1 male to female friends. But that's always in flux. And because some of my closest friends are transgendered or gender-bending, well, it getrs confusing really fast.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Friday, 20 June 2003 01:12 (twenty-two years ago)

It can't be all that common because I've never met a woman who has only male friends. But I've met plenty of men who can only talk to women about anything that makes them anxious. So maybe this question is a tiny bit misleading.

In fact, the whole mythology around the woman who 'only associates with men' seems kind of like a sexist stereotype. Women or men who claim they are like this or know people like this seem to be confusing the empty trappings of picturesque rebellion with the gentler truth of moral antinomianism.

Jody C., Friday, 20 June 2003 02:04 (twenty-two years ago)

So do ILX women in general have more male friends than female friends? We should set up a poll.

My girlfriend has many more male friends than female friends, but her two closest friends besides me are female. This could possibly be explained by the fact that she went to a private primary school which had a 4:1 ratio of boys to girls, but interestingly she made more male friends in secondary school. She can't really give a conscious explanation for this.

Andrew (enneff), Friday, 20 June 2003 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Girls who have mainly male friends are usualy attention whores of the highest grade, who sadly have to have male company to justify their pitiful existence. They don't have female friends because they see them as competition, and have you ever noticed how jealous and catty they get when their male friends get girlfriends?

turtlehead, Friday, 20 June 2003 05:38 (twenty-two years ago)

the word "catty" ought to be banned.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 20 June 2003 05:50 (twenty-two years ago)

and you ever notice how black guys drive like THIS?

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 20 June 2003 05:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I do not prefer one or the other, but I have noticed that most of my friends are female. I do not understand women who say they cannot have other women as friends. And I do feel comraderie with other females sometimes because we share the same anatomy. We can talk about tampons and bras and stuff. Sometimes I have trouble being friends with guys. I don't know, I do not find them as easy to talk to.

Mandee, Friday, 20 June 2003 06:15 (twenty-two years ago)

My friends are 50/50 M/F but I suppose the main difference is that, boyfriend excepted, the people I tend to spend the most time sitting up and talking about emotional stuff with are women. Plainly, if you tell another individual a lot of what's on your mind, and that person uses it to put you at a loss from which they gain, you're going to feel rough. That, and not some notion of it being wrong to piss all over the sisterhood, is why I feel more betrayed by females who later compromise me somehow. The nature of my female friendships differs to that of friendships with men, in many small ways. I am reasonably competitive, but do not aspire to blatantly embarrass or downsize a (potential) workplace or social 'rival' into the bargain, because that makes us both look bad.

I worry in general when people's friends are not a mixed bag and do ask myself whether a particular choice of friends by an individual is perhaps an outward manifestation of certain anxieties. My answer to this vexing question is usually yes.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 20 June 2003 07:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Vicky to thread! As she keeps being concerned that every time we go out for a drink, for a long time she's the only lady there.

chris (chris), Friday, 20 June 2003 07:55 (twenty-two years ago)

JBR, how do they drive? I can't see and I need to know!

oops (Oops), Friday, 20 June 2003 07:55 (twenty-two years ago)

What if you just want to be friends with people you have things in common with, but your tastes skew in a particularly "male" direction and it's tough to find female friends who like what you like?

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 20 June 2003 08:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, why do "you women" have to make everything so political?

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 20 June 2003 08:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I love peeps in general. Some of my best friends, EVAH, have been boyz. I heart the boyz. They heart me. It's a good thing. :)

However I love the HOT LADIEEZZ as well cause I can squeeze their titties. This is a good thing. Trust me I KNOW!! heh.

That Girl (thatgirl), Friday, 20 June 2003 08:09 (twenty-two years ago)

ps, JBR, see "squeeze titties" as not being *too* polictical. I mean, I love LeTigre, but I know when it's just time to get it one for godsakes!!

That Girl (thatgirl), Friday, 20 June 2003 08:12 (twenty-two years ago)

wot you got against man-titties?

oops (Oops), Friday, 20 June 2003 08:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I must admit I like to hang out with both men & women, but in my experience women who prefer to hang out with men do it for an ego boost & it is usually more of a superficial relationship, i.e. the guys always fancy the girl & hence the girl gets off on it.
DISCLAIMER: this is my experience of girls who do this, not my opinion of girls who choose to hang out with guys over girls. Pls do not hunt me down & shoot me!!!
People should hang out with whoever aslong as it's for genuine reasons. I personally tend to hang out with girls more than guys, I just feel more comfortable with it. I guess hanging with my boy doesnt really count as hanging with a guy!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 20 June 2003 08:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I seem to have a lot more male friends at the moment, but it wasn't always thus. I have no idea why this is. I don't fancy any of my male friends and never have done (with the honourable exception of the one I'm now married to, and one other for about ten minutes several years ago in a fit of misguidedness - you know who you are if you're still lurking here, mate, and you know why it's misguided, and I'm still very fond of you). I have never minded any of their girlfriends, in fact I like nearly every girlfriend any of them have ever had.

I don't see females as competition at all, but I don't have very "girly" female friends because I tend not to have anything in common with them. I am certainly not a flirtatious, like-to-be-surrounded-by-male-attention type, and generally my friends treat me as a person first and a gender second, which is how I treat them.

I have just have friends, and it so happens that more of them are guys. Ho hum. No generalisations, no rhyme or reason, just that of the people I have come into contact with over the years, more of the ones I like best, have stuff in common with, and that have stuck around, tend to be male.

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 20 June 2003 08:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I have just have friends

I have just have friends

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 20 June 2003 08:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Pink, I would totally hang out with you. You seem like a totally cool chiXor.

That Girl (thatgirl), Friday, 20 June 2003 08:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm the opposite of Suzy - although my friendships are about 50/50 m/f, I think I have far more really close friends of the opposite sex... to be honest though, I think this is partly circumstantial - for the last few years I've been in various social groups that have all been female-dominated for no particular reason other than there were more of them around and that's kind of filtered through.

(The word chiX0r should be used more round these parts)

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 20 June 2003 08:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Bugger. My html skeez need some polishing.

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 20 June 2003 08:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha - redundant message as someone has just fixed the over italicisation I just caused.

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 20 June 2003 08:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Hanging with my boy seems to be genderless, I mean we do each other's hair & make up...oh i've said too much! (sorry j, i'm only kidding! ;-) )

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 20 June 2003 08:50 (twenty-two years ago)

DDG - was it something I said??

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 20 June 2003 08:52 (twenty-two years ago)

bloody hell, just had a huge rambling conversation with my boyfriend last night on this very subject......

a couple of people mentioned upthread something along the lines of it's worse to be fucked over by your women friends, because usually you share more emotionally intimate moments/details with them, more of the time, than with your boyfriends/male friends. (i appreciate this won't be true for some women, but it has been for me.) i've had 3 or 4 quite intense female friendships through my late teens/20s which have all ended badly, for reasons which were, at the time, unfathomable to me.

basically i've never been hurt, dumped or rejected by a man, but i have been by several women. with all the will in the world i wish i could just say "oh, but i can't make generalisations"....but frankly, sometimes a person will be so psychologically affected by repeated experiences that they instinctively avoid getting into those situations again. i've reached that stage now. i badly feel the want of female friends, but i'm just not prepared to go through the same shit again. my feeling now is that i just want to "keep it light", and i find it's much easier to do this with men.

having said that, i've always felt more comfortable in the company of men, generally, and never really been able to pinpoint why. from an early age i always felt i had more of a masculine sensibility...very difficult to explain, but i'm sure this attribute (failing?) in itself has had a lot to do with why my female friendships have ended so badly.

jeannot, Friday, 20 June 2003 10:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I have one really close female friend and that's it I'd say, all my friends are guys, all my acquaintances are guys, as I say I worry about ever having a birthday party and it being all guys.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 20 June 2003 10:56 (twenty-two years ago)

When I got married, all my friends went on my husband's stag night and I went out with my mum in lieu of a hen night as none of my female friends were in Glasgow at the time.

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 20 June 2003 11:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Also see my female friends thread...

Most of my friends are male. And they've all got girlfriends. I feel like their girlfriends are their real lives (ok, in a couple of cases those gf's are actually wives). Not that I'm jealous - obviously I have a boyfriend and we spend lots of time together. But anyway, usually I can only see those girlfriends in the context of hanging out with their boyfriends too. It's kind of hard to break out of that routine and develope something more intimate.

I had a girls' night with my mom last night. We watched Sex & Lucia and ate chocolate. And she went on my daily neighborhood walk with me. So that was fun.

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Friday, 20 June 2003 12:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Sarah, if it wasn't for that darn water separating the countries, I'd share some chocolate with ya! :-)

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 20 June 2003 12:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm only friends with Greeks and Slavs, it's easier that way than to deal with all this gender politik.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 20 June 2003 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I prefer inanimate objects, because they can't answer back!

This may be a lie.

Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 20 June 2003 13:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I have a fairly even number of male and female friends. Kinda weird how it works out, but I've never had that "typical sitcom male" problem of not being able to be friends with women.

hstencil, Friday, 20 June 2003 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think I'm ever going to be shat upon or generally treated like dirt by any woman the way I have been more than a couple of men. And I could make a generalisation about that... if I use my own experience, I can only conclude that most men are shallow, egotistical assholes (gay men notwithstanding, mostly)... but intellectually, I know my experience is, for some reason, just rather unlucky. I have to work hard at not letting it colour my attitude. No dilemma there at present: I don't think I have any *real* close friends at all. As and when that changes, I honestly don't think I want any of them to be male. I wish I didn't feel this way.

ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Friday, 20 June 2003 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

well there is a sub-species of the human male (a rather large part of the population, unfortunately) that really really sucks, Christine, so I don't doubt your experiences. If I sat back and thought about the behavior I've witnessed by most men I know, I'd get ill.

hstencil, Friday, 20 June 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

the tears of an assclown, when Dan Perry's around...

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 20 June 2003 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan I really kiss you. I mean I don't mean "really" as in the real life sense, but in the way that I go around saying "I kiss you!" in this case, I actually mean it. MWAH! WOKKA WOKKA! If you can make sense of this, you are my hero!

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 20 June 2003 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan's presence has reminded me of a great quote from Shania Twain I read this week. On her humble, rural upbringing - "I ate a lot of beaver when I was growing up."

You don't say...

Lara (Lara), Friday, 20 June 2003 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Shania is everything I wish I was.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 20 June 2003 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh my God. That's just the best quote ever. Shania must have been confused when the interviewer started doing the Cabbage Patch after she said that.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 20 June 2003 20:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Damn, I feel like a woman!

*der der der der der*

Lara (Lara), Friday, 20 June 2003 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Sarah - that might well be - maybe when people get married/settle down they find their need for intimate friends to be satisfied by their significant other. But I can't imagine that goes for all of us.

Andrew - for him it seems to be mid- to late-twenties. But he's also fairly challenged socially (he likley has Aspergers Syndrome) - but I have been wondering about older people - I mean, my parents/step-parents don't seem to have close friendships any more. (And I am all for "coupling-up," so long as it's not expected of me *grin*)

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Friday, 20 June 2003 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

This is a thread of deep joy now. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 June 2003 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha ha. Ned said *deep*.

Lara (Lara), Friday, 20 June 2003 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)

So how deep does Ned need to go to find joy?

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Saturday, 21 June 2003 01:34 (twenty-two years ago)

half a forearm

oops (Oops), Saturday, 21 June 2003 04:11 (twenty-two years ago)

*cough*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 June 2003 04:14 (twenty-two years ago)

i know what its like to be fucked over by female friends, i've had some right stinkers. but its like with all human beings - some of them stink, but there are plenty of great ones to make up for it. maybe i'm just lucky in that i have enough friends of either sex who i adore and can trust. actually, come to think of it, one of my friends has been spilling secrets behind my back and he is a male. big deal. it probably means i should leanr to keep my mouth shout.

di smith (lucylurex), Saturday, 21 June 2003 05:16 (twenty-two years ago)

That's an interesting point. The stereotype says: woman are always gossiping and talking behind people's backs. From what I've seen, men can be the worst offenders imagineable in that respect. Take a guy into your confidence -- he'll tell all his pals or fucking post it on a public forum or something.

I have trust issues. :)

ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Saturday, 21 June 2003 10:59 (twenty-two years ago)

The stereotype says: woman are always gossiping and talking behind people's backs. From what I've seen, men can be the worst offenders imagineable in that respect.
So true. I'm guilty of this more than I'd like.

Likewise I find that the sexist-pig stereotype of men (walking around going "would you do her'? type of stuff) is more applicable to my female friends.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 21 June 2003 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I've wondered about this issue now and again - of my ten best and oldest friends, the people I love most in the world, only one is a woman. I think that's mostly circumstantial, in that all but one of those friends were made through the very male world of comic books (and the other? We were at school together - a boys only school), but I do wonder. I think among ILX friends, in real life the FAPs are indeed fairly male dominated, as Cabbage said upthread, but I hope I get on with Vicky as well as Chris, Suzy as well as Ed and other such vaguely sensible comparisons. In terms of ILX friendships not in person - ILX and especially AIM - my closest friend there is male, but after him I'd say that That Girl, JBR, Rosemary, Julia, Geeta and Luna are among my top pals there. (And Nichole and Carey, but that's different because even though they aren't here in London I have met them both more than once.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 21 June 2003 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

At least you don't like it much. Some assholes can't even see the wrong in it. AHEM.

ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Saturday, 21 June 2003 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
I should have posted more as Dirty Geordie.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 March 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

A thread of truly fine pervertalism.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 March 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

When I was younger, most of my friends were guys. Now it's totally reversed, but now I have tons of gay male friends, and very few straight male ones. Don't know why this is. Despite gender or sexual preference, I look for the same qualities in my friends.

Sara Sherr, Friday, 4 March 2005 21:51 (twenty years ago)

having all male friends is crap at a weekend when they are out at a stag night and you aren't invited :(

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 4 March 2005 22:06 (twenty years ago)

ten months pass...
Hahahaha I love the search engine.

Dan (VAGINA RAINBOW) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, get me and my drunken self-pitying in-on-my-own-on-a-Saturday-night whining :)

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

Hahah wtf ails, if my male mates had a stag night they'd MAKE me come with them! I had to organise a stripper for my male best friend's bucks party (I was his best man.. er.. woman...er anyway). Mind you said friend didnt want said stripper, it was his mates who did, so it never went ahead; but hey. I'm not yer typical example, I suppose :/

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 01:25 (nineteen years ago)

I can't even remember whose stag night they might have been at. I presume someone not in my immediate group of friends. I think if any of my closest male pals were to get married, I'd be at the stag night. As mentioned upthread, I never even got a hen night due to lack of hens...

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 07:41 (nineteen years ago)

:(

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

Interesting thread. My wife is one who, since high school, has had more male friends than female ones for the “you can’t trust women, I hate girly-girls, I don’t feel like being competative” reasons listed above. She’s got probably 7 close male friends and one close female friend, not counting relatives who might fall into the second category. Most of these are recent friendships.
Meanwhile, I’ve always had (and sought) more female friends than male ones. I suffer from what someone was saying about men not being able to make friends after a certain age – post-college, unless you count my wife and her family (and ILX people/music editors), I haven’t made ONE SINGLE SERIOUS PAL who I hang out with and go to shows with and call every night and talk to and whatnot. It’s as though – even before I met my wife – I’d lost the urge or the ability to do this. Meanwhile all of my college friends (which, excepting one bud from high school constitute all of my friends) moved away and made new friends and consequently don’t need me as much as they used to. This hurts with male friends, but with the female friends it hurts MORE for some reason...but of late I’m starting to accept that people are gonna drift away and we’re gonna lose touch and there’s little I can do to change it. Things change.
My male friendships usually started due to common interests; female friendships came about as a result of some incident or intangible spark or crush of mine and grew into something special.
I have way, way more to say about friendships, but I’ll save it for a later post

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

My male friends are better than my girl friends when I want someone to drinking and recite entire Monty Python sketches with.

C J (C J), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, I could never stand people reciting entire Monty Python sketches, I guess this is why all my friends, save a couple, are female.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

I thought it was because you liked having the friendly sexing.

C J (C J), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

a lot of my friends are female and it's good because i like hugging and female friends are better for hugs.

haha xpost hugs isn't a euphemism for friendly sexing.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

I think I should try to have more male friends.

Preferably ones that are willing to hug and/or snog me.

I Can't Be Bothered To Think Of A Clever Screenname (kate), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

To be honest, I guess I have mostly female friends because I've noticed many guys have problems talking about their feelings, and i could never be close friends with someone with whom I couldn't talk about our feelings. Also, I'm quite bad with male bonding, because I'm not into the things most men bond over. And I kinda dislike "male talk" - certain phrases and mannerisms men use to emphasize their manliness and power. Though I don't much like "girly talk" either, most my friends are pretty gender-neutral.

(x-post)

No, I've only had sex with 3 or 4 of my friends, and never once we've become close friends.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

I don't like the word snog. It makes me think of snot, and that's not v sexy.

C J (C J), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, I'm not sure how I feel about the actual *word* snog (though I tend to like things with unexpected letter combinations, like sn - plus, it reminds me of GROG which is always a good thing) but I certainly like the concept of snogging. As being an activity distinct from sex but still enjoyable. I HATE HATE THAT the American term for similar activity - "making out".

I Can't Be Bothered To Think Of A Clever Screenname (kate), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

I couldn't imagine having sex with a close friend, it'd be like doing it with your sister. Exes who've become friends are an exception though.

(x-post)

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

is "sn" an unusual letter combination?

i love making-out (both as a term and an action)

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

but sexxing with sister is wrong and bad for genetic reasons, close friend grossness is just socially conditioned!

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe this should be another thread...

I Can't Be Bothered To Think Of A Clever Screenname (kate), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

I hate the word snog! It sounds disgusting. Making out is kind of weird when you think about it, but not nearly as bad. (xpost)

Maria (Maria), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I guess so, but not even I am beyond social conditioning.

(x-post to Ken)

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

et voila!

Taking Sides: Snogging vs. Making Out

I Can't Be Bothered To Think Of A Clever Screenname (kate), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

I love the term 'making out', probably because I'm never done it. I mean, in the past I've 'got off with' a guy (which, for those of you playing anywhere other than the UK, means just hooking up with) but I've never 'made out' because I've never shagged an American. I have kissed one, but that was as far as it went.

C J (C J), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

what about "smooched"

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

In my experience, female friends are more reliable than male ones – more likely to write/call back and listen w/o being overly judgmental.

Five years ago, I had a lot of folks I considered serious “I’ll always know you” friends, maybe 25; today that number is closer to 8, with only 3-5 of those being people I really expect to be keeping in touch with in another five years. One lives nearby, but the others are scattered all over the place: California, Ohio, Sri Lanka, Texas, Philly. Thank God for email, no-one ever calls me (and when I call – I make like 7 friend calls per year at this point -- it’s a bad time or homies ain’t home).

The female friends my wife has made over the last couple years have been work friends who came to be very important to her but (a) started spreading private stuff around or (b) stopped answering calls after she left one job or another.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

x-post w/ Tuomas re: the idea of sleeping with female friends

This year I'm going to start writing letters again; email is convenient, but it doesn’t carry the weight of permanence paper does, you know?

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

Five years ago, I had a lot of folks I considered serious “I’ll always know you” friends, maybe 25; today that number is closer to 8, with only 3-5 of those being people I really expect to be keeping in touch with in another five years.

Isn't that generally the way of things though? I think the older we get, the less really good friends we have (of either sex). My social circle was much bigger back in the University days, but people grow up, move away, get married, and have so much else to do in their busy busy lives that friendships often fall by the wayside, albeit involuntarily sometimes.

C J (C J), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

I've started writing letters again, too! I really love sending old-fashioned mail to friends.

C J (C J), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

plus it's fun to get hand addressed letters in the mail

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

My old friends who don't have email are virtually lost to me. My friendship needs are supplied by those with email. Sad but true. Everyone's replacable, and there's only so much time and energy one has to devote to it. I had intense one-on-one friendships when I was younger, before kids. I had more time, and was more emotionally needy. Now I have tons of friends, but I don't lean on any one that much.
I have male and female friends. I dislike the energy when I'm the only woman in a group, and I can't ABIDE hen parties. The shrillness alone! Ack.
I have two grown sons, a male dog, a husband. I get enuf boyness. The volume level and IQ plummetry that occurs when my sons are in the same room is horrible. All Red Sox and Patriots all the time, motherfucker motherfucker motherfucker motherfucker motherfucker motherfucker motherfucker motherfucker motherfucker motherfucker motherfucker motherfucker.
So boring.
But I hate it at dinner parties when the guys are laughing and I miss the joke because somebody's wife has sidelined me into a conversation about menopause. Feh. Women have to keep up with my level of raunch if they wanna be my friend.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)


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