Do I Look Like a GURL?

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At a club last night three separate people asked me "Are yous a boy or a girl?" (Kelly Jones: "I'm not either"). Now I know it was dark and I'm sure they'd each had more than a few ales, and I know my silly long hair does look girly from the back, but they were stood in front of me up close. A lot of you have met me, so is this such an easy mistake to make? Or were the scallies just assuming long hair = girl?

(If anyone's wondering about my .absence recently, it's because I've just been dumped interwebless at university (Salford), no phone line and they fucked up signing me up to the campus computer system. I'm seriously regretting taking any notice of the Manchester's so-called great nightlife, what with all the clubs I've been to being stuck in '91 MadChester timewarp hell. There's a limit to how many times you can dance to baggy like it's still relevant. With me it's one and a half. Strange Fruit/Sussed Manchester please.

Oh and (at the risk of sounding liike Ronan) the people in my hall are Bryan Adams fans. Even with head poppingly intense concentration I couldn't detect a hint of irony when they described a random canadian wibble as a "fucking wonderful tune", and they detected none of mine when I chose Savage Garden as the next record. Anyway, [Baby] One More Time + 300 Watt Dolby Digital amplifier = Freaky Trigger done proud)

Graham, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes Graham. You do indeed look like a girl.

Pete, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Lets see a picture, androgonous wonder

Pennysong Hanle y, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

kewl ans = "depends who's asking"

(or poss."who's askin'?", liverbirds stylee)

mark s, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Three separate people asked me "Are you a boy or a girl?"

Wait: is it somehow more acceptable in the UK to ask this sort of question? You would never hear this stateside.

Nitsuh, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nitsuh, I'm quite shocked that people just come right and say it, and don't even check for eg My obvious lack of breasts. Maybe it's because I look like either a weedy ugly girl or a weedy pretty boy, even if I do find it unacceptable I'm not going to do much about it.

Mark: Clever answer = Why, what are you?

Pete, I know I look girly, but could you actually think I was an actual girl?

Graham, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

show a picture

maryann, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

yes please

Maria, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Wait isnt there a pic on the other thread?

Mike Hanle y, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nitsuh: Well, it's not very acceptable (whether it's *more* acceptable or not I couldn't say, obviously), but it is the kind of line adored by people who wish to demonstrate that they're too macho and hilarious for concepts of acceptability, plus as Graham points out it tends to be asked of people who look timid/weedy enough that they'll just glare at the person responsible, run away, and cry to themselves later, rather than decking anyone.

I have had plenty of "bird or bloke?" incidents myself (optionally suffixed with the assertion that I must be female because someone who mings this much isn't worthy of a dick) and I remain sceptical that it doesn't happen in the US. While I can't remember if anyone actually asked me if I was male or female when I was out there, I certainly had people assuming I was either male or ten years old or both pretty much every day, and I don't recall anyone apologising for the misunderstanding, either, which I found at least as upsetting - at least in the short-term - and far more of an incentive to grow my hair and try to stop it happening than the fact that every so often in this little UK town somebody who almost certainly knew that I was female would deliberately try to wind me up by pretending in a loud voice in front of all their mates that they couldn't tell. (I only had one similar incident during my time living in a city; you'd think that what with all the inbreeding round here they'd be *more* tolerant of weirdness, har har...)

Sometimes I reflect on the way people seemed so bemused by my appearance in the US and the fact that every American "woman in rock" I've ever respected and imagined might dress at least slightly punkishly or tomboyishly has turned out to have '50s-style longish hair and wear pretty dresses in every picture I can find of them, and I wonder... well... lots of confused and probably inaccurate things which I've just snipped for fear of embarrassing myself further. Right now, I'm fairly sure I'm just seeing sexism where really it's just other factors which are inevitable and apply equally to men, but this train of thought pops up every few months and I never quite convince myself either way or manage to articulate it very well...

Rebecca, Saturday, 29 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

you DO look girly

Mike Hanle y, Saturday, 29 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't have a scanner or digital camera (I nearly bought one specially yesterday, but the shops shut at six), and the only ILE photos sigificant portions of me have appeared in are Ed's, which don't appear to be working.

Ed, please. The people need to judge.

Graham, Sunday, 30 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

AT the picnic in the sky there was definite debate on your sex, I said you were obviously a girl - using divination skills already honed on Boy George and Divine.

Call yourself Man Graham and Bob's yer uncle.

Pete, Monday, 1 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I AM SCARED NOW.

Look people, I do NOT have BREASTS

(Maybe I should just call myself Bob (and encourage my brothers to reproduce))

Graham, Monday, 1 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

photos should work

graham is the one on the right

Ed, Monday, 1 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Breasts are not a guide to gender, Graham, as plenty of girls have none and plenty of boys have man breasts. Get your hair cut.

Emma, Monday, 1 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Don't kutcha hair: it is nice. Audience confusion = useful portal to adventure for Graham IMDP. If only I had been so lucky (student acne, also pan-gender, in my experience closes portals... as does industrial strength punXor str8-edge puritan self- loathing, so don't bother with that either, g)

mark s, Monday, 1 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Thanks Mark, erm...

Also, Me far left.

Graham, Monday, 1 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

nah, you don't look like a girl.

jel, Monday, 1 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

At a casual glance you do look like a girl, Graham. Cutting your hair would help, no doubt, if you're bothered. I always think it's good to look like a girl, what with them the fairer sex and all.

Nick, Monday, 1 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm afraid I've got to weigh in on the androgynous side of this qn. Although any kind of lengthy look establishes quickly that you are not a girl. So people asking you "Are you a girl?" are being mean. But people asking of you "Is that a girl?" are not.

Tom, Monday, 1 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I can't tell due to quality of pictures. I'm sure that if you do look like a girl you could use it to your advantage, though.

Maria, Monday, 1 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

A lot jmore of you have met me. Can Ms Corrigan, Mr Raggett, Mr Perry, Ms St Claire, Ms Clarke, Ms Monkey etc confirm/deny this?

I think I shall follow Nick (and Maria)'s advice and use it to my advantage (although I'd much rather be mistaken a ROCKSTAR).

Looking like a girl + Empty condom packet = World Domination?

Graham, Tuesday, 2 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Having just viewed the MOVIE "rockstar", I wd point out that being a boy w.big gurlie hair, eyeliner but no VPL undser yah leathers is urgent and key to the mistaking... cf cover of Poison's Look What the Cat Dragged In usw...

mark s, Tuesday, 2 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You do look a bit gurlie. This is not an insult, coming from me, it is a compliment of the highest order. Eyeliner and rock star affectations + gurlie prettiness = massive ROWRR!

Kate the Saint, Tuesday, 2 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one year passes...
Am I really like, cute enough to be mistaken for a girl? A train condutor desribed me as a lovely lady on the way home. And I would have thought my sloppy hair would give away that I'm just an unkempt bloke?

Graham (graham), Friday, 18 October 2002 09:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I've had two friend's whose gender I couldn't ascertain. One was called Matt, so that was sorted out pretty quickly.

The other one had the gall to have an androgenous name too. After about a year I was *fairly* sure he was a guy, bu it wasn't until a year later when I saw him coming out of the men's loos I really knew.

On the other hand, who cares?

Sofa King Alternative (Sofa King Alternative), Friday, 18 October 2002 10:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Graham, you do kind of look like Claire Danes with blonder hair. But since she's cute and kind of androgynous anyway, that's not a terrible thing.

Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 18 October 2002 11:18 (twenty-three years ago)

going on your photo on the "what do you all look like" thread you indeed look like a girl graham. but long hair is lovely on guys, don't cut it off. perhaps a stubble-y face would help.

angela (angela), Friday, 18 October 2002 11:40 (twenty-three years ago)

(for circus work)

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 18 October 2002 11:48 (twenty-three years ago)

You got circus work N?

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 18 October 2002 11:51 (twenty-three years ago)

wa-hey, we're all going to be in N.'s circus!

angela (angela), Friday, 18 October 2002 11:55 (twenty-three years ago)

n stands for nit

mark s (mark s), Friday, 18 October 2002 12:31 (twenty-three years ago)

five years pass...

Looking like a girl + Empty condom packet = World Domination?

-- Graham, Tuesday, October 2, 2001 12:00 AM (6 years ago) Bookmark Link

he makes a point

banriquit, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 00:30 (seventeen years ago)

Greaham Thread

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 00:31 (seventeen years ago)

Can we get this dude back on ILX to tell him what a tool he was?

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 00:36 (seventeen years ago)

ILX doesn't welcome cranks

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 00:37 (seventeen years ago)

he was a better mod than stet

DG, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 01:05 (seventeen years ago)

can't find a better mod
can't find a better mod

gershy, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 02:08 (seventeen years ago)

Perhaps Ed could re-post the photos and we could have a poll?

Bob Six, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 08:12 (seventeen years ago)

i fancied her first time i saw her.

ken c, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 09:04 (seventeen years ago)

I used to love her,
but i had to kill her
I used to love her,
but i had to kill her
I had to put her, six feet under
and I can still hear her complain
I used to love her, (whoa yeah)
but I had to kill her
I used to love her, (oooo yeah)
but I had to kill her
I knew I'd miss her,
So I had to keep her
She's buried right in my backyard
(whoa yeah)
(whoa yeah)
(whoo-oo yeah)
I used to love her,
but I had to kill her
I used to love her, (whoa yeah)
but i had to kill her
She bitched so much,
she drove me nuts
And now we're happier this way, alright
(whoa yeah)
(whoa)
(whoo-oo yeah)
I used to love her,
but I had to kill her
I used to love her(ooooh yeah)
but I had to kill her
She bitched so much,
she drove me nuts
and I can still hear her complain yeah-eeeah

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 10:25 (seventeen years ago)

he was a better mod than stet

-- DG, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 01:05 (13 hours ago) Link

yeah, when stet demanded the simpsons 15-19 season dvd box i knew that graham was so much better.

elan, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 14:37 (seventeen years ago)

aww

DG, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 14:39 (seventeen years ago)

two years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf0oXY4nDxE

She had the body of a Venus
Lord, IMAGINE MY SURPRISE

I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:01 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf0oXY4nDxE

She had the body of a Venus
Lord, IMAGINE MY SURPRISE

I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:01 (fifteen years ago)

Again, I have done the impossible and posted the same thing twice. I'm good at this.

I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:09 (fifteen years ago)

http://camaholic.net/emma.gif

lookin qwyte (crüt), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:13 (fifteen years ago)

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i191/fluxion23/tyler-scream.jpg http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i191/fluxion23/aphex-scream.jpg

I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:16 (fifteen years ago)

i know we're supposed to be really blasé about having a famous musician post on our board, but watching those vids i realize how much i miss steve tyler since the autoban ;_;

Princess TuomTuom (nakhchivan), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:16 (fifteen years ago)


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