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Did anyone watch Derren Brown Laughs in the Face of Death LIVE!!! (with a ten second delay in case he really does blow his brains out) last night?

I wasn't going to watch it because I thought it was a stupid idea, but the only alternative was Sparkling Cyanide on ITV so i got drawn in.

It was quite good in the end. But he obviously picked the most nervous person to pick the round and load the gun because his mind would be the easiest to read.

It did seem bizarre to think that someone would be so desperate to be on tv/trump David Plain. I did think sadly about his parents, who The Guardian claimed were sitting in silence watching it on telly at home. I could never do that to my parents. NOT EVEN IN THE NAME OF MAGICK

nickie (nickie), Monday, 6 October 2003 10:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmm. Derren Brown has always irritated me to a large degree (note the Adam and Joe hosted top 50 magic tricks later on in the evening, where they refer to him as "ponce" and "git"). He only fired four rounds, anyway. Coward.

Did anyone catch that Magick programme on directly afterwards? Seems like somebody's been watching their Jam DVDs a little too closely.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 6 October 2003 10:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, that Magick thing was rubbish. Especially that bit where they got a very annoying and rude man off the street to leer at a load of lapdancers in a sinister warehouse only to find out that the one he liked was a man. The world shook.

I stayed up till nearly 1am watching the 50 greatest magic tricks programme with Adam and Joe and Mark Heap and Reese Shearsmith and Nicholas Parsons (telling Penn and Teller to STUFF themselves - controversy!!)

nickie (nickie), Monday, 6 October 2003 10:24 (twenty-two years ago)

My mate Dan has a lot to say about this (he has a PhD in special effects and film). I haven't.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 6 October 2003 11:09 (twenty-two years ago)

What do you mean special effects and film - it's MAGIC!!!!

nickie (nickie), Monday, 6 October 2003 11:21 (twenty-two years ago)

What that top 50 magic tricks thing proved: Paul Daniels > David Blaine.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 6 October 2003 11:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Isn't that obvious. Paul Daniels was Wizbit I don't think Blaine has ever done squeaky children's tv characters.

Ed (dali), Monday, 6 October 2003 11:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought the end of Derren Brown was a bit of an anticlimax. I suppose, unless he had actually shot himself, it was always going to be an anticlimax. He fired two empty chambers into his temple and then fired one empty chamber at the sandbags, he then paused for a long time which completely deflated the stunt. I suppose the idea was to make it look as if he had fucked up. He should have stuck the gun in his mouth too, that would have been much nicer.

That Magick thing afterwards was shit. "Watch as we make all the people who tuned into Channel 4 to see Derren Brown disappear."

Alfie (Alfie), Monday, 6 October 2003 11:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I was wondering that about the Brown stunt. Was the bit at the end with the pause and the last two chambers meant to make it look like he had messed up, or had he in fact got the chamber of the bullet wrong and twigged that one of the two rounds left was actually live?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 6 October 2003 11:33 (twenty-two years ago)

He's just an illusionist - he wouldn't have done the stunt unless there was a certainty that he wouldn't blow his brains out. Not a possibility, a certainty. Therefore he had to be certain that the bullet was in the chamber labelled 'one', therefore the pause and the 'mistake' where he pointed the gun away and misfired was simply a misdirection meant to draw the audience away from reality.

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Monday, 6 October 2003 11:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it's just 'showmanship' - as The Great Suprendo explained on 50 greatest..., people aren't impressed unless they think you've messed up, then you come good.

I reckon he was just pretening to have messed up. but Derren Brown MASTER OF MIND CONTROL DOESN'T MESS UP!!!!

I didn't think it was an anti-climax because I'd forgotten that there was a 10 second time delay, and I kept getting images of melons being smashed in slow-mo in my minds eye every time he pressed the gun to his head.

nickie (nickie), Monday, 6 October 2003 11:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I quite enjoyed this actually. *ducks* I liked the build up to it & i thought the end part was pretty tense. I don't know why though as it was obvious he wasn't gonna shoot himself in the head.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 6 October 2003 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Best thing about it: the Russian Roulette Revels advert in the first commercial break.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 6 October 2003 11:45 (twenty-two years ago)

That was pretty funny.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 6 October 2003 11:46 (twenty-two years ago)

It always makes me laugh when (insert name of pressure group here) whinges that a trick like Brown's 'will provoke copycats'.

I prefer to see any copycats as part of a Stupid People cull.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 6 October 2003 11:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Suzy is otm! I reckon they should say 'do try this at home if you think you're up to it.'

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 6 October 2003 12:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Well when they said don't try this at home I had to put my gun away! How stupid do they think the nation is! If Darren Brown is stupid enough to try stick a gun to his head I think the best result would have been for him to pick the wrong chamber - after all the world has enough stupid people in it without him adding to it!

Kinks, Monday, 6 October 2003 12:44 (twenty-two years ago)

He's not stupid - if he was clever enough to do the trick with a 0% risk to himself (and he may well have been, it's his job to prevent the audience from understanding his tricks) then he's single-handedly elevated himself to Blaine levels. Good on him.

Mark C (Mark C), Monday, 6 October 2003 12:47 (twenty-two years ago)

He impresses the hell out of me! Yes, the pause was undoubtedly to build tension, to make us think he really was having big doubts, but I hardly think that complaining about someone building feeling and demonstrating showmanship ON A TV SHOW is terribly sensible. His ability to read and subtly influence people astonishes me time after time, and I enjoy his TV stuff more than that of any magician (I think he is slightly different from this class, to be honest) since Tommy Cooper.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 6 October 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Suzy & Pinkpanther - my friends call stunts like this "Darwin's Little Helper"

Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Monday, 6 October 2003 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I could never do that to my parents. NOT EVEN IN THE NAME OF MAGICK

Nickie is lying. She has done way, way worse.

Lara (Lara), Monday, 6 October 2003 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

What would the upshot have been if he had blown his brains out?

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 6 October 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Other than a probable ban on people playing russian roulette on TV?

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 6 October 2003 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

overtime pay for the barn's janitor perhaps? i actually think derren brown is pretty

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Monday, 6 October 2003 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

A half-minute interview with Stuart Maconie about how it felt to have been alive then would have aired immediately afterwards.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 6 October 2003 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

shit, i hadnt finished. that last sentance should read:
i actually think derren brown is pretty good, at least he's not got the whole scary david blaine thing of "hey maybe i really am gandalf...".

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Monday, 6 October 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

What would the upshot have been if he had blown his brains out?

The Deer Hunter would not seem quite so edgy anymore?

Lara (Lara), Monday, 6 October 2003 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

The bullet was in the last chamber, and he chose the order he fired the numbered chambers in. Of course the "mistake" was a red herring, there wouldn't have been much suspense if it hadn't been right in the last one, he'd made his mind up which it was before he started firing.

lupine lupin (lupinelupin), Monday, 6 October 2003 20:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Any of you mind clueing in a Yank?

Leee (Leee), Monday, 6 October 2003 22:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Derren Brown is a man with a beard.

http://www.mindmagic.co.uk/2000_derrenbrown.jpg

He has his own pretty popular Channel 4 show called Mind Games, wherein he does all manner of mental trickery, mindreading, influencing people into doing things, etc etc etc.

About five months ago Channel 4 ran a trailer asking for people to assist him in his biggest stunt yet: live Russian roulette.

So a load of people write in, and he whittles them down to one person, who loads a live round into a gun which Mr Brown then proceeds to... well, as the rest of the thread explains.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 00:43 (twenty-two years ago)

There's an article about this in the Sun today: "MILLIONS of TV viewers could have been conned by TV’s Russian Roulette stunt, it was feared last night." Feared?

Not quite Christopher Walken:

http://ilxor.petfield.com/images/derren.jpg

The whole article can be found here.

Alfie (Alfie), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 06:58 (twenty-two years ago)

You mean he didn't die? Damn. Chiz.

kate (kate), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 07:02 (twenty-two years ago)

No, he didn't, and I fear that we were conned.
He must be forced to repeat the stunt with an AK-47.

Alfie (Alfie), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 07:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Nerf. Balls.

Matt (Matt), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 07:26 (twenty-two years ago)

If it was all a stunt rather than a clever psychological trick (ie they influenced the volunteer subconciously to put the bullet in a certain chamber similar to the things he did on his last series, for example with the advertising execs and the zoo marketing campaign) then he's a very good actor.

I certainly believed he was shitting himself after he fired the empty chamber into the sandbag even if it did seem convenient given the rise in tension this brought. The look on his face was fascinating and it was the most memorable piece of tv I've seen in a while. Not sure I would have watched it though had it not been obvious that there was no way Ch4 were ever going to broadcast the thing if it went wrong.

mms (mms), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 07:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Thing is, with this 'stunt' he was a liar if it all worked out & an idiot if it didn't, he couldn't really win.

I liked it & the long pause added to the tension either way. I didn't mind (& quite enjoyed) spending an hour on a sunday evening watching it.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 08:00 (twenty-two years ago)

BBC report similar to the one in the Sun

mms (mms), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 08:05 (twenty-two years ago)

It was on when I got back from dinner, so I just saw the gun being fired bit. Despite myself and my friends all scoffing knowingly "Cuh, there's no way, it's all a trick, Channel 4 won't let it fuck up" etc etc we all fell silent and watched it. So, an effective peice of television, and a lot more involving than I'd thought.

Matt (Matt), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 08:07 (twenty-two years ago)

BBC report similar to the one in the Sun

He looks a bit like Justin Timberland in that report if you half close your eyes.

Alfie (Alfie), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 08:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Misdirection! Argh! I'd pay money never to have to hear that phrase again. (Is my home life starting to grate?)

kate (kate), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 08:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Justin Timberland?

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 08:32 (twenty-two years ago)

You know, that McDonald's-peddling, itchy panted, Michael Jackson impersonator.

Alfie (Alfie), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 09:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Justin Timberlake!!!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 09:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Or Justin Trousersnake, whichever you prefer!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 09:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Saw this posted somewhere else:

I suspect what he did was pick someone that he knew would go for an odd number, thus starting on chamber three which meant he only had to make two choices. Once it was clear it wasn't in chamber five - and he shot this straight at the sand bag, he then knew it was in chamber one. So shot six into the head on an even number and shot one - live round into the sandbag. easy as pie.

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 10:44 (twenty-two years ago)

He just wenr with the guy that was easiest to read, i.e. the most nervous & shaky one!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 10:50 (twenty-two years ago)

What I thort was on Weblog Response: Do You See?

Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 10:53 (twenty-two years ago)

It's impressive either way, I don't know why people are so desperate to discredit these things, the man is a good showman and clearly has some ability at what he's doing.

There's no sign of it here but in real life I've found some people believe so much of the hype and show that it makes them assume it's ALL sham, rather than a less fantabulous but nonetheless real stunt. Ie people say Derren is faking it because they think "it" is "magic wand psychotic reality defiance" rather than "science of reading peoples reactions" or whatever. No matter how many times he stresses it is reading reactions, people still attack him as if he's claiming he read anyones mind like a billboard.

Sorry for all that but guess who's had to sit through alot of this kind of thing recently.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 11:59 (twenty-two years ago)

This is a key point actually. Derren Brown never says he can read minds. It is all psycho-linguistic programming and being able to read people. The Jersey police btw say that there was no way it could have gone wrong, so theyw ere satisfied by its foolproofness.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 12:12 (twenty-two years ago)

They said there was no way it could go wrong because there was no live ammunition involved it was a blank...

Vicky (Vicky), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 12:15 (twenty-two years ago)

From www.annanova.com

Three million viewers saw Brown fire a gun, said to contain a live bullet, at his temple.

But police in Jersey, where the programme took place, said the stunt was a fake.

"There was no live ammunition involved and at no time was anyone at risk," said Lenny Harper, Detective Chief Officer for the States of Jersey police.

"A prop company brought a number of props to the island and they included a quantity of blank ammunition. There is absolutely no way that the States of Jersey police would allow anybody to put themselves at risk and shoot themselves dead.

"This programme was made by a TV company very experienced in pyrotechnics, in making smoke and bullet holes appear. It was no different to film which uses special effects. This was just an illusion - the question of whether it was in dubious taste is another matter."

Brown had claimed the stunt needed to be filmed at a secret foreign location to bypass Britain's strict gun laws - but the laws in Jersey are just as strict.

Channel 4 would only say: "In making and broadcasting this programme, Channel 4 was very mindful of its responsibility to ensure the safety of all involved, and liaised with the Jersey police in advance of filming there to ensure that no offences were committed."

A spokesman for Brown declined to comment but said if the illusionist had fired a blank round into his head he would have died anyway.

Vicky (Vicky), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 12:17 (twenty-two years ago)

... as Jon-Erik Hexum, of "Cover Up" fame, did.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 12:24 (twenty-two years ago)

it's a trick!! he teleported his brain into a secret jar full of saline solution at the last second, the big dirty cheater, and the bullet just passed through space!!

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 12:35 (twenty-two years ago)

striking the celtic tiger

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 12:41 (twenty-two years ago)

i think ronan is otm-not only does he not claim to be a magician,he actually explains how he does everything as he goes along

i thought it was a really good stunt,i have to admit i didn't know there was a ten second delay and i was hiding behind the couch,so to speak,as i was watching it...

i interpreted the big delay as being because he realised he had fucked it up and got the wrong number,but he thought that if that wasn't that one he knew which one it must be,but at the same time if he had been wrong once,he was having his doubts...thus he was almost certain which one it was,and was trying to work up the courage/decide for sure,knowing he'd look foolish if he just stopped...maybe i'm just naive and gullible though...
anyway,i enjoyed the program,and i actually quite like the guy who does it,he seems fairly easy going and unpretentious,he certainly doesn't annoy me the way david blaine does...

robin (robin), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 01:47 (twenty-two years ago)


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