Spirited Away and Japanese Mythology

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Spirited Away and Japanese mythology (on I Love Film)

Thought I might open this out here - anybody got any pointers to some of the archetypes used in Spirited Away. One that tickles me is the twin crones, who also appear in Zelda games (at least 3 sep games i can think of). The Nintendo version even has a wart/mole in the forehead much like the one's in SA.

Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 11:45 (twenty-two years ago)

There was something in the Talk of The Town section in the Independant on Sunday a few weeks ago. From what I can remember the walrus-type thing Chihiro gets stuck in the lift with is the radish god of the home, the things that look like bundles of seaweed with masks on come from Japanese coastal myths and the players that enact them (I also thought they looked a bit like the costumes English mummers used to wear). There was more, but I can't recall it.

Anna (Anna), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Here is the article, for anyone who is interested:

Copyright 2003 Newspaper Publishing PLC
Independent on Sunday (London)

September 14, 2003, Sunday
HEADLINE: THE LONDON EYE: THE GODS MUST BE HAZY
BYLINE: VERA RULE

We addicts of the inaustere folk aspects of Japan, of gaudy nights with rowdy badgers, are off to see Hayao Miyazaki's animated movie Spirited Away again and again. I'm particularly homesick for its bathhouse location - Miyazaki as a child thought entrances to city bathhouses were exciting, all steamy mystery (he meant private luxury establishments,). He also adored onsen, the hot springs destinations for minibreaks, with their alleys of bars under paper lamps that glow at sunset.

So for his world-out-of-this-world he imagined a remote onsen resort with a palatial bathhouse strictly for kami and rei - Shinto's earthly division of minor deities and spirits, venerated but not worshipped; as he said, it must be tough being a Japanese god today, they need somewhere to sip sake and soak away the tiredness. (The film's heroine, Chihiro, and her parents should have known they were trespassing on this supernatural territory when their car almost crashed into the stone monkey marker of the god of the highways).

Then Miyazaki imagined how kami would look now: they need a form to go out in when not minding the shrine. He staffed the bathhouse with plebby not-of-this-worlds familiar in Japan as clay toys - frogs, sullen girls who are the spirits of slugs and a low comedy duo as middle managers. He gave shape to venerable spirits: some traditional, like the radish- god of the home, shown as the standard white root veg but bigger and more baleful than a sumo wrestler; others with divine names like the Otori, bird spirits, whom Miyazaki sees as cartoon cheepers splashing in their bath. He's borrowed imagery from folk customs - the horned rampagers in shaggy seaweed coats are namahage demons from the coast of the Sea of Japan, far out where the wild things are; and from rustic theatre - a haunting troupe of immortals impassive behind abstract masks worn for the firelit dances at their shrine. He's updated my favourite spirit, the kitsune, or fox, messenger of the heavens, into an "older-sister" onsen attendent, Rin. She's a white fox, the luck-bringing vulpine who guards the shrines of the god of the fields.

Miyazaki has super-good guys - the Great River God so defiled by pollution the bathhouse calls him "a spirit of rottenness", who after spewing out garbage reveals his true mask with its Noh bristled eyebrows of benignity. And there's the hero, a dragon soul of a built-over stream. But no total villains, since even divinities in Japan have a divided nature, both brutal and benevolent.

Miyazaki has created new kami for modern Japan. In My Neighbour Toto he animated dust bunnies - mischievous in a nation devoted to purity: in this film they become susuwatari, "mobile soot", sprite stokers of the hot water furnace slaving for a spider soul who brews medicinal tea. The greedy crone owner of the resort, Yu Baba, and her twin the beneficent witch of the forest at the end of the line (Chihiro reaches it by commuter train - more contemporary magic) draw on Japanese shamans with human head and bird body, and even more on bird-women of Siberian legend: Yu Baba's suite is decorated in the florid Victoriana of the high Meiji style adopted from the West after the opening-up of Japan in 1853.

The film's most wonderful kami, though, has no obvious source: its name is No Face - literally "there isn't a face" - a deficiency it hides behind a mask of pathos. It could be a Buddhist hungry ghost, anguished with unappeasable want, but Miyazaki calls it a lonely heart, even a stalker, who swallows the desires of others consuming others in the process). Because Miyazaki believes in the virtue of makoto - a sincere heart - he grants it redemption, busy with crafts in the good witch's cottage. Bliss.

Nicolars (Nicole), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

That's it. If anyone can tell me what the first sentence means I'll be very impressed.

Anna (Anna), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

why thank you! (both)

Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Anna, the badger allusion may be a reference to the legendary tanuki, which stands by many a Japanese roadside playing with its balls.

Has anyone noticed a resemblance between 'Spirited Away' and 'The Wicker Man'? Both are reconstructions of 'the old religion', of the enchanted times of animism. (In Japan that layer of mythology lies much closer to the surface than it does in Britain, since Buddhism was a lot more respectful of shinto than Christianity was of our own druidical animistic religions.)

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

i did wonder whether 'No Face' was more properly 'Noh Face' but i guess not.

has anyone noticed the resemblance between Spirited Away and Totoro? opening is very similar. mysterious spirits in the middle. both end with a reunion...

um, looked at http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/films/#film_g_m for a filmography and he's definately going downhill. i blame disney 8) (although it was nice to see john lasseter get a mention on credits of SA)

i also thought the witch's name was a nod to Baba Yaga. at least other people made the same mistake:
http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/25764

andy

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, it goes without saying that the obvious template is 'Alice in Wonderland'. The sinister bird-harpy seems to be a tribute to Tenniel's original Alice illustrations.

Momus (Momus), Thursday, 9 October 2003 04:49 (twenty-two years ago)

um, looked at http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/films/#film_g_m for a filmography and he's definately going downhill.

This is the most insane statement I have ever read on ILE.

Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 9 October 2003 09:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, Porco Rosso and Totoro are definitely better than Princess Mononoke and Spirited Away, even though Spirited Away was an clear improvement from Mononoke (Miyazaki's worst film?). I don't think the guy has lost his grip, but it's pretty hard to come up with another complete masterpiece such as Totoro.


has anyone noticed the resemblance between Spirited Away and Totoro?

They both had the same "soot balls" (the little black furry creatures) too, though I guess evryone noticed that.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 9 October 2003 09:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks Momus, that has been plauging me slightly. I loved the link too.

Anna at toby's (tsg20), Thursday, 9 October 2003 10:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I love Totoro, but I think Spirited Away is slightly better.

Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 9 October 2003 11:20 (twenty-two years ago)

me:
>he's definately going downhill.

nicolars:
>This is the most insane statement I have ever read on ILE.

sorry 8)

if asked to pick 4 favourites from that list it would be the first four, Nausicaa Of The Valley Of Wind being top. if asked to pick two that i thought were muddled it would be the last two (haven't seen the tv bits or the 'Music Film'). purely my opinion of course. maybe i just have something about flying (he does flying so well). that said, i'm lukewarm about Porco Rosso which is all about the flying. will have to watch it again if i can find my tape.

andy

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 9 October 2003 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...
The Noh-Face is one of the only creatures in the film I was sure I'd seen before. I'm sure I've seen it in a Nintendo game or something - Mario? Basically, you are in a room where the Noh-Face marks loom into the foreground and try to kill you.

Am I making this up?

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 22 December 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

No. I don't play Nintendo much but you have made me realise why he seemed familiar to me too. He's in one of the Mario Party games, at least.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 09:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm thinking of Shy guy. I guess he doesn't look that much like No-face.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:08 (twenty-two years ago)

yeh well maybe, are you thinking about the guys in mario 2 who are underground and you get to them via the above-ground tubes which you slide down to get the big keys which you sit on and then lift and take upstairs to open a door nearby? possibly.

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:50 (twenty-two years ago)

shy guy looks otm, but he isn't the one i'm talking about. the one i was talking about was all floaty and disembodied.

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

No it wasn't the shy-guys. If anything I think it must have been a Super Nintendo game - maybe Mario World or Mario World II?

I was thinking after I last posted how much No-Face-style mythology there exists in different cultures. The most obvious one is the Grim Reaper, but I also think clowns could possibly come from the same originative image.

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 02:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Shy Guy actually reminds me more of the forest spirits from Princess Mononoke.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 09:07 (twenty-one years ago)


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