TS: Sally Philips vs Daisy Donovan

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I don't want to have to spell this one out, but which is worse?

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Worse?

― Mark C (Mark C), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Phillips by a country mile, SMP = one of most annoying comedies ever. DD = quite funny, and kinda cute

― chris (chris), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)

what's SMP?

i'll go with Philips (awesome as Sophie in I'm Alan Partridge, rubbish in Hippies but then who wasn't, okay in SMack The Pony, not seen Mean Machine), Donovan tries too hard

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

meaning i think Donovan is technically worse

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

brassica yr last squirrel wz full of crack, they are equally dud

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

i love daisy - leave her alone

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Mark, Mark, Mark (C). Which is the less deserving of praise -- i.e. they are both rub! But both somehow similar, yes? Purpose of thread: see how they are similar, I suppose.

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Chris, do you not remember the horror that was the 11 O'Clock show? DD is the most useless thing to have graced the telly ever.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Enrique, I have loved them both at various times. = I am middlebrow.

― Mark C (Mark C), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

it's a myth that the 11 'O Clock was 'all that bad' - after all it did give us Ali G and Ricky Gervais...

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I do, she was the best thing about it (and giving us Ali G is hardly a plus point really), she's ditzy. and yes I meant STP, which was $hite, and most people I know are aware of my feelings on Partridge. (not the tasty game bird obv)

― chris (chris), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

and i must say Daisy Donovan effectively embarrassing Mystikal was quite a hoot

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Nowt to do with brows, cap-i-tain. This is about... class, sex, politics, yes! I think these ladies are aphenomenon. But I can't quite pin down what they mean.

Newsnight >11 o'clock show > Graham Norton

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Ricky Gervais was unwatchable on the 11 o'clock show, so much so that i missed the entire first series of the office as a protest

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

i found him refreshingly obnoxious/obnoxiously refreshing!

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

but i even laughed at Iain Lee back then

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

almost snap Mark S - I only came in on episode 3 after my bro said, "no, really it's good!"

― Nathan W (Nathan Webb), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I suppose a lot of C4 feels this way, but that quizz wot Daisy done felt like she'd been given it as a favour, really. Like someone getting work experience at their uncle's production company.

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

The 11 O'Clock show WAS that bad! Ali G was funny to start with, Gervais occasionally amusing but that was it. DD's interviewing bits were painful, and all the studio stuff with Lee was unfunny, haha look how un-pc we are nonsense.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

haha suzy to thread w.disgraceful libels explaining why DD gets work!

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Ali G was golden, though, and he alone makes it much better than the run of these things.

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Ricky Gervais jogged past me t'other day in Tavistock Square. All sweaty and fat he was. Had some woman with him. A right minter too.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Minter?

I saw him on Wardour Street once, but didn't write to Heat about it. I also once saw Babby Gillespie at a Werner Herzog film about Kuwait.

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I ate partridge on the weekend.

― Mark C (Mark C), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

they roam Putney's streets freely do they not?

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I cannot believe that more than one person shares Mark C's previously admitted wub for Daisy Donovan! Argh! She's like AN SMUGGER AND UGLIER LINDA BARKER!

― Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I think he means Alan Minter. I guess he's back in training.

DD = awful; her I'm-making-you-say-rude-things vox pops at Westminster were painful. Big Ben in the background exposing the edits - hey look, 20 minutes to get to that one weak gag!

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Babby Gillespie?

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Iain Lee doing a link while Daisy is making what can only be described as 'bubbling cauldron' sounds and actions right in his face, incessantly with him then telling her to 'Daisy just shut the fuck up!' and her stopping abruptly and looking down at her feet remorsefully...

was quite funny

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

but Lee & herring did that kind of thing much better granted

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

i like gervais's rambling character on the 11 o'clock show but I only caught him a couple of times

― Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

A right minter too.

i instantly thought of Jeff Minter, creator of METAGALACTIC LLAMAS

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Frm Prml Scrm

Loads of blokes I know seem to dig these two femmes -- why? More specifically, what is the link between em? Is it just in my head?

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

(so did I steve shhh let us not spread the shame!!!!)

― Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

mostly yes. they both sound a bit posh and are not a million miles away from each other in terms of facial resemblance. that's all.

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.c64gg.com/Images/M/Metagalactic_Llamas_menu.gif

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not sure I meant Minter now. Did I mean Munter? Does anyhting I say make sense?

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Not that much.

― Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Minger or munter, really.

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm going with Sally, possibly because I still laughed more at STP than the non-Ali G bits of the 11 O' Clock Show. Shit, Mackenzie Crook was funnier than Daisy back then, and his segment of the show bit hard. Same for Ricky, though he was really coming into his own at the end, when he started doing the historical sketches.

I may in fact fancy Sally, but can't confirm or deny this. Daisy has that mixture of endearing and annoying, with an emphasis on the latter, much like some of the girls I was stupid enough to be attracted to at uni.

― Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I did like the part when Iain once called Mackenzie "a sallow-eyed git" or something to that effect. I also laughed when Daisy interviewed a female MP whose name escapes me and started talking about the 60s when she was "going out to Ronnie Scott's, appearing in jazz mags".

So it wasn't all shit.

― Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I dont think either of them are much cop really.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Indeed, indeed. SP seems marginally more successful, so I suppose she's worse.

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm glad to see Ricky Gervais hate surfacing on this thread. He was so consistently dire on the spots of his I endured on the 11 o'clock show that I've never been able to sit through any episode of the Office for more than a minute or two.
And similar to Mikey G, I too saw Ricky G the other day - he was in a greasy spoon in Covent Garden with Jonathan Ross and is WAAAAAAAAAAY fatter in real life!

On the actual topic of this thread, though: Sally Philips all the way. She was one of the things that made the first series of I'm Alan Partridge so godlike. I always thought it seemed like she was hearing Steve Coogan's parts of the script for the first time, so wonderfully natural was her 'corpsing'.

― M Carty (mj_c), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Did I read somewhere that Sally Phillips is a Christian?

― Alfie (Alfie), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I'm sure I once read something where she said words to the effect of 'I'm so glad to have found a man who shares my Christian beliefs'.

― M Carty (mj_c), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, that settles it then...

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

and I think she said he was a bongo player too. I mean, fuck!

― M Carty (mj_c), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Ricky Gervais is only funny as David Brent as THAT'S WHO HE REALLY IS.

― Mark C (Mark C), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

IIRC, Sally Phillips became a Christian after being spooked by her research into satanism for some acting part or whatever. She has some sort of reason why she continues to take parts in various programmes that go against her Christian beliefs, but I forget it. As an aside, the character she played in the original 1995 pilot version of Brass Eye was "Sara Samson-Superchrist".

I still prefer SP to DD, though. Her hilarious "erotic dance" in the excellent web-comedy The Junkies alone puts her way, way higher than DD.

― Chriddof (Chriddof), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

and even that's not really funny, more cringeworthy.

he's quite funny on XFM, but not in any good way, just pretty mindless.

― chris (chris), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Gervais is over-rated and under-rated in equal measure

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I've not taken much notice of DD - I sampled the 11 )'Clock Show a couple of times and found it unwatchable, and seem to have missed whatever else she's on.

I fell for Sally Phillips completely in Alan Partridge, and Smack The Pony was occasionally funny and I liked everyone else on it too, and she was okay in the worthless Hippies. There was a terrible romantic comedy series set in a magazine, which I couldn't manage to watch desp[ite adoring SP, and I do think everything she does is less interesting than the previous thing, which bodes very ill for the future.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I completely loved Sally Phillips in Rescue Me. I also liked James Vance quite a bit.

― Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 22:24 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, Rescue Me, that was it. Awful show.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

― Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 22:33 (twenty-two years ago)

It's probably worth noting that Sally Philips is a comedy actress foremost, whilst Daisy Donovan is a presenter. But, sweet Christ alordy is Daisy Donovan awful, an over-promoted research assistant solely on TV because she fulfils the wank fantasies of political science students.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 22:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Dom is so extremely OTM it's scary. I f***ing detest DD, and only Kate Lawler comes close to irritating me that much. I think Iain Lee has it written into his contract that he only works with thick and irritating people so he looks much funnier by comparison.

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 23:10 (twenty-two years ago)

it ain't workin'

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 23:12 (twenty-two years ago)

ISTR quite liking Rescue Me. This may not be seen as a mark of quality, I admit.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 30 October 2003 00:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Sadly, Mr Skidmore's point about the diminishing quality of Sally P's output looks spot on! There was a feature on Film 2003 a few months ago about a new film starring her and at least one other lady from Smack the Pony which is sort of a female-oriented parody of Gladiator. It looked truly woeful from what they showed, unfortunately.

― M Carty (mj_c), Thursday, 30 October 2003 08:36 (twenty-two years ago)

i think if more people had seen Daisy's interview with Mystikal she might get more love, that was bizarre

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 30 October 2003 09:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Sally P can't really act, though. She seems forced in everything. Alan Partridge worked because she had to be quiet and occasionally smirk. Not to belittle her - I had an almighty crush on her in that role. She'd have been good in The Office, maybe (though heaven forfend another name actor on Ricky G's patch).

― Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 30 October 2003 10:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Iain Lee has it written into his contract that he only works with thick and irritating people so he looks much funnier by comparison.

If that's meant to be a dig at the divine Aleks Krotoski I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you to step outside.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 30 October 2003 10:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Who's Aleks Krotoski?

― M Carty (mj_c), Thursday, 30 October 2003 10:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know, but if you google her image you get a good profile of her jugs.

― Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 30 October 2003 10:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Aleks Krotoski. "Divine". Therapy for Michael!

― Barima (Barima), Thursday, 30 October 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

SP vs. Satan:

bhttp://www.rejesus.co.uk/encounters/interview/02_sally_phillips/

― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Thursday, 30 October 2003 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Sally Phillips, Daisy Donovan: Discuss

Discussed here previously.

― jam, Thursday, 30 October 2003 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Rogan Whitenails writes about being carried by Sally Phillips in her new film Gladiatress, here: http://whitenails.blogspot.com/

― aviva, Thursday, 30 October 2003 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Amazing that thread already exists.

I don't know Krotoski either.

DD is bad: something desperate about her reliance on making others look silly - which makes her look nasty.

I had forgotten about Rescue Me. For a moment there I thought it might be that Dublin soap thing which had the OK name that I have forgotten. Then I remembered what it was. I don't think it was good. And yet I did watch it quite a lot.

I don't think Phillips is very funny, all things considered. But have I considered all things?

― the pinefox, Saturday, 1 November 2003 12:01 (twenty-two years ago)

you have not considered the dry iciness of which she mentions 'Bangkok Chickboys'

― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 1 November 2003 12:23 (twenty-two years ago)

i posted to that other thread as well, ha

― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 1 November 2003 12:24 (twenty-two years ago)

The things I have to say are libellous ONLY IF UNTRUE.

I have a female comedian friend who went to audition for 11 O'Clock Show; among the material she brought them was the rude vox-pop, which plays better if the 'reporter' is a working-class Northern girl like my friend and not some creepy nepotism case with St Paul's in her vowels. All the women seen for this - all award-winning comic/writers - were deemed by Kev!n Lyg0 to be 'not sexy' for some reason, but then again it's hardly a surprise as person in question thinks P@tp0ng-based 12-yr-olds are sexy enough to buy for the evening, whilst on holiday. Then they looked around the office and realised Terence Donovan's daughter was the runner, and was cute, and would do.

I think both women are precious beyond belief, and have nothing to say on screen or in interview.

― suzy (suzy), Saturday, 1 November 2003 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

oof!

― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 1 November 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

To this day the 'not sexy' comment bothers me, as a) sexiness was not part of the spec for recruiting MALE cast members for the 11 O'Clock Show OBVIOUSLY and b) friend in question is/was owner of vast quantities of sex appeal so there was serious insult on top of the injury of having her work blatantly ripped off and given to Little Miss Work Experience.

― suzy (suzy), Saturday, 1 November 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

it is of course bothersome but not remotely surprising

― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 1 November 2003 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

three weeks pass...

Can't believe this. I must be wierd but they both skirt in and out of my top ten list. Rescue Me, Bridget Jones - makes me shiver. Daisy is truly annoying but purposefully so and therefore on the money.

Frieks - all of you

― Peter Sinden, Saturday, 22 November 2003 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Let me be the first person to rubbish my last statement by claiming I am stupid for misspelling Freeks - etc., spot the other mistakes you ingrates.

Pete

― Peter Sinden, Saturday, 22 November 2003 01:29 (twenty-two years ago)

You spelt "weird" wrong as well.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 22 November 2003 01:39 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...

They both live on the same street, not far from me.

― Naomi Deward, Sunday, 5 March 2006 16:09 (twenty years ago)

eight months pass...

In the 1980s and 1990s it was very different. American sitcoms were television’s equivalent of the 101st Airborne: they got parachuted in to sort out troublespots all over the place. Seinfeld, The Simpsons, Friends, they could spew gags with a machinegun slickness beyond British fare.
In the late 1990s came a turning point. A satirical sketch series started on Channel 4 called The 11 O’Clock Show. Taped on the day of transmission to ensure topicality, it ran three nights a week. It satirised the news using spoof interviews and mocking vox-pops. Although it was not a ratings success, it was a testing ground for many young talents who are now conquering America.
Since The 11 O’Clock Show required vast quantities of material, few subjects were off-limits. One of the highlights became Ali G, the “voice of black youth”, created by Baron Cohen. Interviewing one official about drugs, Ali G asked: “Does class A guarantee quality?”
Speaking to a bishop, Ali G asked whether Jesus was “a man or a woman”. The bishop replied: “He’s neither a man nor a woman.” Ali G: “Is he a . . . ladyman?”
Audiences laughed at both the targets’ gullibility and the character’s dumb effrontery. But there was a strong political element. Gervais, who was also involved in The 11 O’Clock Show, perfected the style in which sensitive subjects could be addressed by creating characters who failed to see their own faults...

This boldness has spawned other shows and performers who push the boundaries, including Green Wing and The Catherine Tate Show.

Yep, we've just seen the first critical re-evaluation of the 11 O'Clock Show (from The Times). Thank you very much American backers of Sacha Baron Cohen's work.

― dommy p is alright WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE (Dom, Monday, 6 November 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

it was inevitable.

i saw an ad for a youth show on channel 4 which had another 'fruity girl' (c private eye) firmly in the donovan/philips tradition. don't know her name yet.

― benrique (Enrique), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

almost insane article -- i mean even if your brief is "rewrite history so the 11ocs wasn't shit" (which is easy -- look at all the talent) you don't have to write things like 'back in 98 it was all SEINFELD SEINFELD SEINFELD on british tv and all our comedy was shit'.

― benrique (Enrique), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, there was some top UK comedy in mid-nineties.

― chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

I'm surprised there isn't anyone on ILX who knew Daisy Donovan at university - given the large (ish) number of Edinburgh arts graduates slightly older than me.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

three years pass...

sally phillips, what happened to you? WASTE.

― jed_, Monday, 12 July 2010 22:09 (fifteen years ago)

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