The Bush in Britain Thread [WORK SAFE AGAIN NOW, PHEW]

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George Bush arrives in London today. Although people are generally in favour of the visit, and people aren't anti american per say, (see today's gaurdian) People are very very cynical about it. 63% think that 'America is genreally a force for good' whilst 49% are in favour of George Bush's state visit, with 39% against. It's going to cost £5,000,000, one of Bush's biggest campaign contributions so far.

A significant number of people are angry enough to make a fuss. We are a Liberal (19thC/Thatcherite) Democratic (In our own weird way) Country with Social Democratic leanings (we aren't France or Sweden) and George Bush quite Frankly sticks in the craw.

Also coming to london are the leaders of the 33 poorest nations holding a conference on the Millennium targets on poverty, now likely to be missed because fighting poverty is now tied to fighting terrorism. In Peru, for example, poverty programmes have been replaced with Coca growing reduction programmes. Poverty fuels anger and that anger gets directed back at the Rich and we are the rich. I'm not saying that Osama Bin Laden or his backers are poor, they are not, but the foot soldiers of Al'Quaeda are.

Britain has been led into an illegal war, a war founded on false pretenses. I'll agree that Iraqis are freer, no doubt, but they are also far less secure, Iraqis are dying daily because of aftermath of this war. British and American troops are dying almost daily. Of course we shouldn't withdraw from Iraq or Afghanistan (which the US has already done, in the main). We should clean up after ourselves in the world, but the mess goes back far further than the last couple of Wars.

Even if you were pro war there are good reasons to come out against Bush:

'sticking two fingers up to the Kyoto agreement and ploughing
his way through virgin Alaskan wastelands to find more of his
beloved black gold

withdrawing millions of free condoms and millions of US$ from
family planning ngos across the developing world who are
fighting to contain the spread of HIV/AIDS - unless they
promise not to mention the word abortion in any of their work

being the most prolific state executioner of all time

pretending to be the president although he was never actually
elected' (Copied from a friends email)

http://www.stopwar.org.uk/
http://expatsagainstbush.typepad.com/

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 09:05 (twenty-one years ago)

It's going to cost £5,000,000, one of Bush's biggest campaign contributions so far.

Who is paying for it? Not us, I hope. They better present the bill for the extra policing TO BUSH, like they did to that twat in the box or I'm going to be very cross.

I wasn't going to go protest, but the more I read about it, and the more I find out about the demands that the secret service have been making, the angrier I get.

Citizen Kate (kate), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 09:24 (twenty-one years ago)

at least £5,000,000 it's coming straight out of the Met's already stretched budget, they are trying to get money from central government for it, either way, it's coming out of our taxes.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 09:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Make Bush pay for it. That's just completely outrageous.

And Blair is all "No, we have to have him here to work out the EU steel thing before we have a trade war!" and crap like that. I'm more in favour of boycotting products from Florida.

Citizen Kate (kate), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 09:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Steven Byers is busy working out the punitive tariffs right now, not just because of steel but the against the punitive tariff put in place by the US to force us to take GM products, among other things.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 09:32 (twenty-one years ago)

bah

National Lampoon English Vacation aka Dubya Takes A Trip

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 10:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Whoops, sorry.

Citizen Kate (kate), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 10:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Best result would be 'Tiananmen Square'-type situ >>>>> US/UK war!!! C'mon Brits you know you want one!!! And no prizes for who the rest of the world would support! Then again, the UK acquitted itself pretty disgracefully over the last three centuries...hmm well at least it's a perfect opportunity for the two worst exploiters/exporters of misery in world history to destroy themselves and each other!

dave al-q, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 10:18 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm with dave on this. the anti-war march on the 15 feb was incredibly dull, AND you had to put up with shitwits like galloway. may 1st demos are also full of tedious new statesman subscribers. let's take bush hostage and play it by ear.

i think ussr/germany might rival us though dave on the misery front.

enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 10:22 (twenty-one years ago)

but Britain spread it wider than anyone has.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 10:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Enrique is my new hero.

chris (chris), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 10:24 (twenty-one years ago)

yes but also they all got cricket for free ed

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 10:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Can we grab the queen while we're at it.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 10:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Oi! Hands off the Queen. Unless she pays privately to have that fuXor at her house.

Citizen Kate (kate), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 10:26 (twenty-one years ago)

How good were we at the misery export game, really? We never managed to sell it to the Poles, or any other ice-cubes to Greenland type scenario, did we?

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 10:27 (twenty-one years ago)

top five misery exporters

germany
uk
belgium
ussr
us

enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 10:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Grrr. Those Belgians are bastards.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 11:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah especially their beer! CUrse them!

Citizen Kate (kate), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 11:21 (twenty-one years ago)

not sure if i was making an ironic anti-express reader anti-euro joke OR whether i was talking congo style.

or both, most likely.

enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 11:23 (twenty-one years ago)

who are the top 5 joy exporters?

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 11:38 (twenty-one years ago)

thailand have to be up there, along with Colombia

chris (chris), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 11:41 (twenty-one years ago)

i thought you had to go TO thailand to be a sex tourist chris?

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 11:42 (twenty-one years ago)

no necessarily Zoltan the invincible - you can mail order Thai brides now, erm, apparently

chris (chris), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I am getting progressively angrier.

The last president to come on a state visit was Woodrow Willson, the first Internationalist US president, coming to Europe to try and ensure that the US didn't get embroiled in a conflict as dreadful as as the First World War ever again. Of course the US was blocked by congress from taking part in any of the International Structures that he created. Compare if you will Willson to Bush.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

trying to make sure that US didn't get involved in war/beginning gradual takeover of uk/french colonial system?

that dimwit johann hari can't write a par without bringing up wilson, laregely because like anyone who studied history to 15 he knows what the 14 points are. they were pie in the sky bullshit mixed in with a mehcanism that would keep the US, UK, fr, etc top nations while everyone else cd fuck off or remain as colonies. bush is worse, of course.

enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

This attention-seeking man who happens to be called Bush has obviously chosen this moment to visit London as a spoiler for the Strange Fruit Festival at Bush Hall. I'm very annoyed that he's going to make the traffic worse, and possibly draw away some of the press coverage from our Bush event, which is the real Bush event in London this week as far as I'm concerned. I will be ignoring the little upstart, if Ed and Suzy let me.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

(kudos tho if he actually manages to make the traffic worse, rather than merely equal)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

What's worse? Strange Fruit or George Bush? I'm having a really hard time with that one. If you start promoting SF on this board, I am warning you, Momus. I've been very quiet and very good at not having outbursts, but I *will* blow my top if you start on this.

Citizen Kate (kate), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

what the fuck is strange fruit? record label?

enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, it's bad enough knowing that his presence makes my incoming plane tomorrow anything between 1% and 50% more likely to be used as a missile and slammed into the House of Commons. Fucking little twerp!

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

eva cassidy-esque posthumous acclaim for one time ilxor -- evening standard

worth it, brah.

enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Nick, you make it sound like you want us to drag you by the arms and legs to the march.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Another thing to get annoyed about

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

He doesn't deserve the publicity. He will be gone in under a year. in fact, I've forgotten his name already. Jim? Bob? Jack?

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Just go to the March, Nick. You've already been paid, regardless. (At least I hope you have, or at least you got it in writing.)

Citizen Kate (kate), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

why are you so sure he'll be gone? what bright spark are the pro-war dems gonna put up?

enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

He'll be gone because the American people are not complete idiots.

I've got important things to do. I'm not in Britain often. I'll be spending my valuable time getting an NHS pedicure, finding a book of Artaud's essays, seeing my family, and doing an interview with a Swedish radio station. No time left for the junta runt, his red rug and his goonsquad.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Come to St. Mary's, Paddington, Nick. It's in West London, so it's close, and I'll get you a Japanese translator, as well. ;-)

Citizen Kate (kate), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, in that case...

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

He'll be gone because the American people are not complete idiots.

well, that's all fair enough, the other stuff, and i don't think having a load of pinkoes throwing eggs on cnn will make any odds -- but i'm todally not convinced by your reasoning. two statements:

i don't think americans are complete idiots

most americans supported bush in his war, and believed that iraq was behind 9/11

enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm going with this group: http://expatsagainstbush.typepad.com/

the tag line is 'proud of my country, shamed by my president', which works for me.

colette (a2lette), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

From the thread title, I was expecting this to be about the girls of S Club 7 and Sugababes. Sorry, sorry.

Dancing Queen, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow!

1) Ex Pats Against Bush? Excellent!

2) DUDE! I didn't realise that the protest was going straight past my house. That makes it very convenient. I *have* to take the day off work now, as my road will be closed, so I can't go in!

Citizen Kate (kate), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I just want to hold up a placard that says JENNIFER FITZGERALD (name of bushone's mistress who was in situ in 1600 in '92 according to presidential intern pal). Ed's will say COME TO DADDY.

Collette BTW I might march with the expats too.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Well... I'm very tempted to march with the Ex-Pats (though I'm not sure if I technically count) as it's awful whenever you get accused of all sorts of awful political collusion by self righteous twats simply due to your accent. So at least there will enough people around with a similar accent that it will get the point across *why* we're there.

Citizen Kate (kate), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I just want to hold up a placard that says JENNIFER FITZGERALD

I must say it would be absolutely typical Suzy to hold up a banner that nobody else understood and that dropped an obscure name. Great communicator, you see.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not obscure if it's the name of the floozy shtupping your dad, and it wipes the smile off your face when you see it go by in the news broadcast and you can't tell anyone why it has is effect. Obscure can be effective - and I'm fed up with Millie Tant slogans anyway.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Just do BUSH OFF!

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

TV viewers don't have Google.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't get my info from Google, I got it from a very observant and impeccable source who was working in the White House at the time.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

close call there.

enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

the foul rag-and-bone quagmire of the right-leaning heart!

(ps i'm teasing - well sorta - b4 this derails the thread)

(i do think conspiracy theory is a rightwing plot to hobble the left)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I poop too much.

Labia, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

i do think conspiracy theory is a rightwing plot to hobble the left

And it works!

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

'The issue of immunity is one of a series of extraordinary US demands turned down by ministers and Downing Street during preparations for the Bush visit. These included the closure of the tube network, the use of US Air Force planes and helicopters and the shipping in of battlefield weaponry to use against rioters.'

What more proof is needed of Bush's sniveling cowardice? Not that his pants-pissing Air Force 1 itinerary on Sept 11 wasn't enough demonstration.

Benjamin (benjamin), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

The Daily Mirror missed its chance to assassinate Bush last night.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 09:06 (twenty-one years ago)

i know -- what the fuck? what a waste.

enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 09:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Could have got the queen as well.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 09:12 (twenty-one years ago)

HSA was in a high state of flat last night. Apparently he was reading that one of the American requests that The Met (or whoever) turned down was that Bush be allowed to bring a Black Hawk helicopter (like the police helicopters aren't loud enough) and a super-duper-gun that fires 17,000 rounds a SECOND. On the grounds that if there were any random shots fired from a demonstration, they could liquify 60,000 protesters in under a minute.

Christ, they didn't even fire on the mob during the Gordon Riots...

(What could the Daily Mail hvae done last night, I missed it!)

Citizen Kate (kate), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 09:14 (twenty-one years ago)

The mirror have had a courtier with forged references working at Buckingham Palace for 2 months.

Re: HSA's high state, shouldn't he have had this on sunday.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 09:15 (twenty-one years ago)

high state of flat?

the mirroir say they had a guy working in the palace who laid out bananas for the prez 'just hours' b4 his arrival, which he could have poisoned/inserted up charles' asshole first.

enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 09:16 (twenty-one years ago)

High state of Flap, sorry, not flat, and yes, he has been in this state of flap since Sunday evening. HSA has to work himself up to anger, he's very slow to get annoyed, but once he's annoyed it's like an unmovable mountain or something.

Citizen Kate (kate), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 09:18 (twenty-one years ago)

He must have a huge stone flywheel of annoyance (kind of like a buddhist prayer wheel, but different).

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 09:20 (twenty-one years ago)

He lives with me, what do you think? ;-)

Citizen Kate (kate), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 09:21 (twenty-one years ago)

kate, do you live near russell square? that's the meeting point for the expats group. luke (the guy in charge of the group) emailed me and said that it's going to be so crazy at malet st that they're meeting at the NE corner of russell square at 1. then about 1:45 they're joining the march as a big clump.

colette (a2lette), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 11:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Yup, I live about halfway down the block of Southampton Row just South of Russell Square. I can probably see the meeting point from our building's front door!

Citizen Kate (kate), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 11:18 (twenty-one years ago)

In the street the demonstrators come and go

talking of Hardt, Negri and Foucault

the pinefox, Thursday, 20 November 2003 13:18 (twenty-one years ago)

also reading Deleuze

the pinefox, Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Pf on top form.

alext (alext), Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

except they're probably talking about football instead.

alext (alext), Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

the march has been going past my window for nearly 2 hours now. wow.

zebedee (zebedee), Thursday, 20 November 2003 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

if i'm in bethnal green (which i am) what would be the best way to get me somehwere near the march/trafalgar sq without being massively held up by, er, the march an' that?

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 20 November 2003 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey you lot, if you don't do something dramatic, your voices will NEVER be heard over the Michael Jaxon circle jerk. Protest harder now plz!

Hunter (Hunter), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Tube. Its a bit late to say now I guess.

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 20 November 2003 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

hey, any webcam action of this, or has it all finished?

Jeremy the Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 20 November 2003 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

All of the traffic cams on transport for london's websote covering the route of the demo always, without fail, experience operational or technical difficulties for the duration of the march.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 20 November 2003 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)

funny that.

Jeremy the Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 20 November 2003 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

it's the darndest thing.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 20 November 2003 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Well attended demo though, they had to delay the start of it by nearly an hour whilst they drafted in more police to deal with the unexpectedly high numbers.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 20 November 2003 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Good job. There was actually a five-second mention of the protests on the local evening news here. I am not being sarcastic when I say that, it is remarkable that they were even mentioned. ABC News' Nightline is running a long piece on the Iraq war and had a very fair report on today's protests in London, going so far as to interview regular people, contrast a report just post-9/11 from Britain against the current situation (pix of toppling Bush statue in Trafalgar Square) and not present the protestors as far-left crazies.

daria g (daria g), Friday, 21 November 2003 05:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, it was nice to read the piece on the Guardian website this morning, quite different from the reporting on the C4 news last night. The news was all "well, the mood has been dampened by the attacks in Turkey which seem to vindicate Bush" say whaaat?!?!?!? The news also managed to find the ONLY SINGLE NUTTER BUSH SUPPORTER on the whole route. Who just happened to be American. Gee, thanks. Did you not notice the DOZENS of "Shamed by my president" protesters in the march? As I was leaving Traf Square a middle aged woman approached me, pointed at my sign and said "I just want to shake your hand". There was a lot better turnout than the "few thousands" represented by the television.

I got home to panicked messages from my mother, who had somehow misheard the attacks on the British Embassy in Turkey as being a bomb in Britain. (???) Out of the blue got an email from my mother (not known to flights of conspiracy) who said she wouldn't be surprised if the CIA had a hand in the Turkey bombings, trying to hype Bush in the UK. (???)

(Sorry, just had a long conversation with a colleague about this...)

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 21 November 2003 09:17 (twenty-one years ago)

CIA had a hand in the Turkey bombings, trying to hype Bush in the UK. (???)

film choice this weekend: fassbinder's 'the third generation'. arms manufacturer funds terrorists so the state will buy even more from him; terrorists wage campaign against repressive state.

enrique (Enrique), Friday, 21 November 2003 09:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Bushists et al. keep going on about how the Turkey bombings are proof that Al Quaida (can't even spell it) are alive and working and we must bomb bomb bomb and invade invade invade to stamp them out. I see bombings as proof that "War On Terrorism" IS NOT WORKING and in fact is giving them "justification" and making the bombings worse.

Statements of the obvious, part 3000...

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 21 November 2003 09:26 (twenty-one years ago)

this is one for derrida, or mark s, but what does 'al-quaeda' mean? it doesn't have the same order of meaning as 'SMERSH' for example.

enrique (Enrique), Friday, 21 November 2003 09:29 (twenty-one years ago)

"Get Rid Of Slimy girlS"

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 21 November 2003 10:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Today he get a pub lunch oop north.

Ed (dali), Friday, 21 November 2003 10:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope the pub manager spat in his food.

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 21 November 2003 10:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope the pub manager puts what ever the Japanese put in Bush daddy's food, just a bigger dose this time.

Ed (dali), Friday, 21 November 2003 10:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Bowls of pretzels?

(The peace symbol pretzel was the best banner of the march!)

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 21 November 2003 10:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Nigella gave him brocolli.

Pete (Pete), Friday, 21 November 2003 10:33 (twenty-one years ago)

radio one is fascist.
all their quotes were from passers by who said things like 'war's over innit -- what they complaining about? students gertcha'.

but if the war's over, why are we still bombing, dicknose?

enrique (Enrique), Friday, 21 November 2003 10:34 (twenty-one years ago)

she gives us all brocolli

mark s (mark s), Friday, 21 November 2003 10:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Nigella is evil. Up Gr1gs0n!!!

(Even Suzy had to concede that Gr1gs0ns are nice yesterday.)

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 21 November 2003 10:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I never said they weren't. One (not present yesterday) wears the world's most vile 'comedy' earrings but they are enough to drive me into telly rage when I see them. And Kate, you AGREED about the earrings.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 21 November 2003 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

But she's really nice! Despite the earrings!

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 21 November 2003 10:47 (twenty-one years ago)

pub lunch oop north = about 300 yards from my mother's house...

things that have riled my mother beyond belief:
closing the entire route between tony's house and the pub (c. 5 MILES!)
stopping ppl parking outside their houses in the middle of the village
her physio session at the local community hospital being cancelled because of the visit
the local school having to cancel their christmas fair
SECURITY MEN GOING INTO PEOPLES' HOUSES AND SEARCHING THROUGH THEIR CUPBOARDS FOR BOMBS

because my father was a district councillor when tony was starting out, mother usually gets a xmas card from the blairs. she said last night she was going to send it back with a snotty letter this year...

also the dun cow is rubbish...

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 21 November 2003 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't believe he went up today. If he'd went yesterday he could have avoided those nasty protestors in London and went to the Thursday car boot sale at the race course.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 21 November 2003 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

"Mr Prime Minister, my friends in the United Kingdom, I would like to thank you for allowing me the opportunity to locate this copy of the second pressing of the first Toy Dolls single..."

Tim (Tim), Friday, 21 November 2003 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Locatitute surely.

Pete (Pete), Friday, 21 November 2003 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

SECURITY MEN GOING INTO PEOPLES' HOUSES AND SEARCHING THROUGH THEIR CUPBOARDS FOR BOMBS

Nice to see that Tony has so much faith in his own constituents that he is even entertaining the notion that any of them would blow up THEIR OWN HOUSE and those of all their neighbours just to get a pop and Georgy-boy, isn't it?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 21 November 2003 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)


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