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Is this you?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 7 December 2003 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)

It's kind of weird that dressing all spiffy and clean is considered "getting in touch with your feminine side" now.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 7 December 2003 01:03 (twenty-two years ago)

So is David Beckham well enough known in the States now to be the top example of this over Justin Timberlake and Ben Affleck? I thought the Posh'n'Becks roadshow had crashed and burned?

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 7 December 2003 01:05 (twenty-two years ago)

It's cuz of that movie about the girl who bends it like him.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 7 December 2003 01:06 (twenty-two years ago)

soap is nice

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Sunday, 7 December 2003 01:23 (twenty-two years ago)

haha how do you flaunt eye creams?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 7 December 2003 01:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, SISTER, let me tell you...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 December 2003 01:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I've been using exfoliating stuff and moisturiser since I was about 21. I still look older than I am. This is not a new phenomenon.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 7 December 2003 01:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I need to stop using Vaseline so I can knife ppl with my lips.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 7 December 2003 01:43 (twenty-two years ago)

i went to sefora w/my wife today and bought cleanser and moisturizer

― JaXoN (JasonD), Sunday, 7 December 2003 01:48 (twenty-two years ago)

BITCH!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 7 December 2003 01:57 (twenty-two years ago)

fact: i was just bemoaning aloud how the body shop routinely discontinues the best stuff in their men's line. i miss the talc (tho i was never sure what i was supposed to do with it) and that 'mechanics' soap.

― jones (actual), Sunday, 7 December 2003 01:57 (twenty-two years ago)

(grief over the soap somewhat alleviated by this new BRAZIL NUT soap which i believe will be eaten by this time tomorrow)

― jones (actual), Sunday, 7 December 2003 01:59 (twenty-two years ago)

It never tastes like it smells, soap. It's a scent-whore.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 7 December 2003 02:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Perfume, similarly, can be misleading as to the appealingness of it's flavour.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 7 December 2003 02:06 (twenty-two years ago)

b-but brazil nut

― jones (actual), Sunday, 7 December 2003 02:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't trust it, jones. If the hazelnut one is anything to go by... uergh...

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 7 December 2003 02:14 (twenty-two years ago)

One of my best friends is really into all this stuff...the rest of us don't know what he's on about. His girlfriend even bought him a facial for his birthday.

― Berkeley Sackett (calstars), Sunday, 7 December 2003 03:07 (twenty-two years ago)

nope, this is not me. I still think I look younger than I am though.

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 7 December 2003 12:37 (twenty-two years ago)

what Jel said. Well, either I look younger than I am or the ppl who keep saying I do are just being nice!

― MarkH (MarkH), Sunday, 7 December 2003 12:39 (twenty-two years ago)

"Writers are whoring themselves, specifically with 'trend-stories' that regurgitate, imitate, and even advertise. They're getting their readers to buy special soaps and lotions and eye creams. And even if they aren't yet flaunting it, they don't seem to embarrassed about it, either."

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 7 December 2003 15:03 (twenty-two years ago)

For more:

Rich Eye for the Poor Guy
Are you a metrosexual?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 7 December 2003 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

tracer otm

"everbody's doing it"

― amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 7 December 2003 15:06 (twenty-two years ago)

none of this explains Senior. God bless 'em.
http://www.crunchy.dk/images/juniorwebb2.jpg

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 7 December 2003 17:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I moisturise and possibly exfoliate (never been quite sure what it is), but I have always been incredibly vain and had terrible skin

― Flex Kavannah (Ferg), Sunday, 7 December 2003 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)

i think "exfoliation" is when you cut yourself shaving

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 7 December 2003 18:35 (twenty-two years ago)

No, that's "swearing".

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 7 December 2003 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

L'Occitane hand cream is sublime.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Sunday, 7 December 2003 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

What about when you scratch off dry skin, scabs, spots etc.?

― Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 7 December 2003 21:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess it's very unreconstructed-male to think all this moisturising and preening takes far too fucking long??

― Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 7 December 2003 21:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I view it as time when I'd otherwise be waking-up slowly. Which is exactly what I'm doing as I moisturise.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 7 December 2003 21:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, ditto. There's a wide gap between the basic "hello, I'm not a teenager anymore" maintenance that every guy seems to discover the need for sometime in his 20s, and the Patrick Bateman Dress for Success (& Killing) School of Skincare. Moisturize when it's dry, exfoliate when it feels weird, etc. Takes less time than shaving.

― Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 7 December 2003 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

God I hate shaving.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 7 December 2003 21:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess it's very unreconstructed-male to think all this moisturising and preening takes far too fucking long??

no, unless i am a very unreconstructed male.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Sunday, 7 December 2003 22:03 (twenty-two years ago)

you know in the 50s ('in the 50's' he says with blithe ignorance) there was a whole industry of men's toiletries; colognes, aftershaves, hair tonics, shave kits, etc. now all this stuff is 'back' in a supposedly feminized way (the diffs between male and female primping collapsing) but question is, where did all this shit GO in the meantime? i'm leery of all this metrosex idea, seems like a cloudy form of homophobia to me ('oh i know you're not gay but you're acting like a faggot')

― g--ff (gcannon), Sunday, 7 December 2003 22:08 (twenty-two years ago)

i moisturize btw.

― g--ff (gcannon), Sunday, 7 December 2003 22:08 (twenty-two years ago)

i exfoliate and moisturise. if i didn't my face would look like the sahara desert, except pinker

― the surface noise (electricsound), Sunday, 7 December 2003 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

question is, where did all this shit GO in the meantime?

I think it's always been there, it's only the marketing that's changed. Like with condoms; the more people talk about using a product, the more options become available and the more visible it becomes.

Stuff like this is going to vary by climate, of course, too -- I never would've considered going near moisturizer before moving to Indiana, but by the same token, living in New Orleans (with its high humidity and enormous density of airborne particles like molds and pollens) made some kind of skin care as basic and fundamental as shampooing. Moreso, really.

(Nick, just make sure the water's really hot. Actually, we've had shaving threads and I don't know if that would solve what you don't like about shaving. But it solves most of my problems.)

― Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 7 December 2003 22:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Metrosexuality seems like it was a lot more fun in 1973.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 00:11 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.glampunk.org/nydolls/dolls.jpg

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 00:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I bought the above-mentioned Body Shop Brazil nut bar soap without being able to really smell it at the store, but was recommended to me after I asked the sales clerk for something mild-smelling. After three days of dreading taking a shower and having the front half of my apartment permeated with the sickly sweet smell I just threw it away. Remembering the fragrance makes me sick.

― Sean (Sean), Monday, 8 December 2003 00:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Now this will sound metrosexual, but I can't do the scented-body-shop-bar-soap thing, because the build-up of the added fragrances from that, shampoo, conditioner, aftershave if it's an aftershave day, and cologne makes me feel like five people scrunched together. Weird sickly sweet smells are bad enough, but multiple, clashing, weird sickly sweet smells trigger migraines like falling anvils.

― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 8 December 2003 00:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I am bad about this stuff. I am by no means a macho dude who eschews self-maintenence as "girly," but I'm too lazy to even learn about this stuff, much less actually do it. In the winter, I get these dry scabby places on my arms and legs, and I have to remember to put lotion on them every day to make them go away. That's about as far as I go. I don't even shave on the weekends. Part of my sexual appeal is vague scumminess, and I don't want to lose that.

― NA (Nick A.), Monday, 8 December 2003 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

vague scumminess

haha, your words or hers?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 01:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha, take a guess.

― NA (Nick A.), Monday, 8 December 2003 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

i would rather smear my own shit on my face than exfoliate or moisturise or anti-age. at least i know whats in my own shit. (NB: this rule does not apply to eyeliner, lipstick or green eyeshadow)

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:00 (twenty-two years ago)

at least you know your boundaries! if i was denied my moisturiser i'd have to stop shaving.

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Come now, Jim, the answer is clear -- electrolysis.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:03 (twenty-two years ago)

(basically that post can be interpreted as: hahaha i have a less involved beauty routine than many of you. :-P)

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:04 (twenty-two years ago)

That's cause Ms. Lurex don't need no stinkin' beauty routine!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:04 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd like to electrolyse but there's a certain special someone who wants me to go the facial hair route so it would be counterproductive!

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I've done eyeliner, lipstick, and eyeshadow! This stuff doesn't take half as long.

But there's a wide spectrum of commitment and complication.

― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Then the answer is to ask the special someone to provide stick-on beards as needed.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:06 (twenty-two years ago)

i'll try that

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:07 (twenty-two years ago)

hahaha you haven't seen me a week before menstruation, have you ned? oh and now i've got ballad of a ladyman in my head. eyecream and thigh cream how bout a get high cream...

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Sissies.

― Norman fucking Mailer, Monday, 8 December 2003 05:10 (twenty-two years ago)

btw stick on beards hahahaha

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorboline rocks. I always moisturise with sorboline, evey morning. This morning, I even shaved with sorboline.

Sorboline is becoming my solution to everything. My universal panacaea, if you will. I am considering putting it on my cornflakes. I mean, how bad could it be?

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:16 (twenty-two years ago)

your innards will be soft to the touch

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Get away from me.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:24 (twenty-two years ago)

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Awww! I'm sorry! Here, stroke my spleen.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:45 (twenty-two years ago)

smooth!

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:46 (twenty-two years ago)

You boys are strange :P

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 8 December 2003 06:49 (twenty-two years ago)

In Cleanse, Tone, Moisturise I appealed for SCIENTIFIC DATA on the use and importance of men and moisturising, and 16 months later we are still no further on. So to get things moving I have set out on an initial experiment to get some objective insight into this most thorny of issues. Details will be posted on http://www.freakytrigger.co.uk/proven/ v soon

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Monday, 8 December 2003 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Trayce, if you haven't experienced the texture of your own internal organs, or the internal organs of the one you love, a great deal of pleasure lies unexperienced before you. I envy you.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 8 December 2003 12:29 (twenty-two years ago)

um, colin, Trayce won't have a prostate.

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 8 December 2003 12:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Have mine!

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 8 December 2003 12:38 (twenty-two years ago)

the article at the top reminded me of a commercial a few years ago. it had an (american) football player named something tough like 'ironhead' or something. and he was using a shower puff with his moisturizing body wash. the tagline was something like 'it's tough enough for ironhead, it's tough enough for you.'

sounds silly, right? well i know at least 3 guys that ADMITTED to going out and buying their own puff (rather than borrowing their girlfriends's) as a result of that ad.

― colette (a2lette), Monday, 8 December 2003 12:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't really bother, I could see myself doing so and I've no problem with it per se but I maybe haven't got round to it. I don't really feel I need to moisturise after shaving, I think I do use the gel with moisturiser in it though. I'm sure my skin is ok, it looks fine to me.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 8 December 2003 12:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Jaunty Alan's thing is worth keeping an eye on. But JA, I don't know if it's really what you'd call scientific evidence, but without my sorboline, even for two days, I come out in rashes in all the places. I, er, chafe. Before I started using using skin products, as the Americans call them, I used to get rashes on my face, and in other more private regions!

My daughter is the same. Our family have itchy skin. Hooray for sorby!

Now, I glide smoothly like a German sewing machine. No chafing, just pure, well oiled efficiency. I'm drunk, yes, you guessed it. Vodka.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 8 December 2003 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm with NA. Except I don't put lotion on anything ever. Putting ointment on my new tattoo felt kind of neat but if it had lasted more than two weeks I would get aggravated pretty quickly. I haven't used shaving cream in about six years, I just soak my face with hot water and go at it, thank god for those strips of aloe at the top of the blade.

About once every two days I'll wash my face with the same soap (Old Spice High Endurance) I use on the rest of my body. If I go to a fancy hotel that gives you conditioner separate from the shampoo I sometimes get a kick out of using it on my body hair.

I do however use a "poof" instead of the old washcloth and bar soap thing. I abandoned washcloths like 13 years ago.

― TOMBOT, Monday, 8 December 2003 13:07 (twenty-two years ago)

my boy is the same as you tom, except he will use shaving stuff (I push kiehl's blue eagle and tea tree toner on him). But otherwise he hates lotion, even when his hands get all rough and cracked during the winter. He is a boy, I am a girl, etc.

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 8 December 2003 13:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Jaunty Alan's thing is worth keeping an eye on

Colin, you brat.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I use a neutrogena face wash for men before shaving and generic shaving cream as well as generic razors. i follow it up with a cheap ass lotion and aftershave. i do moisturize my hands.

― Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

ass lotion?

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I use Nivea shave gel, it works pretty well. Better than the Gillette, and smells better too.

I too use a poof.

― Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Fag.

― Allyzay, Monday, 8 December 2003 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

My housemate has some kind of shampoo called "Nancy Boy", WTF.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 8 December 2003 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

What is sorboline?

― JuliaA (j_bdules), Monday, 8 December 2003 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)

hahaha! ass lotion. yep.

― Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Monday, 8 December 2003 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Specially formulated for the prevention of bootyflakes.

― JuliaA (j_bdules), Monday, 8 December 2003 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)

My housemate has some kind of shampoo called "Nancy Boy", WTF.

All male grooming products should be named after romo bands.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Monday, 8 December 2003 19:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Or Placebo songs. "Taste in Men" would be a bemusing shampoo.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 December 2003 19:26 (twenty-two years ago)

http://a1377.g.akamai.net/7/1377/5720/20030611180044/www.sephora.com/assets/dyn/product/P12899/P12899_hero.jpg

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 8 December 2003 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally. Eat it.

― El Spinktor (El Spinktor), Monday, 8 December 2003 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Or Placebo songs. "Taste in Men" would be a bemusing shampoo.

Would make a better conditioner

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

What does that even mean?!!

― Allyzay, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 22:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I just bought some Kiehl's face cleanser today. I know there's a whole thread on Kiehl's somewhere, but this one's more timely. I really didn't like their too-too heavy moisturizer, but I got some samples of some of their other ones that might be better. I think it's the packaging that really gets my interest; it's not in the least bit girly, which is important. It's unscented too.

― Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Everyone on this thread is vogueing.

― Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:32 (twenty-two years ago)

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