Site New Answers Search Boards ILM ILE Answers New Question New Questions New Poll Blog View Register Login

I Fucking Hate Religion

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
I was looking on the GOTHICK FOR LIFE thread which has a pretty damn funny parody of a Jack Chick tract, and decided to go on the link to Chick's website. I looked at the "information" section where he has little essays and articles about rival religions and sects (rival to fundamenatalist/evangelical Christianity anyway). As someone who was raised Catholic (though is no longer at all religious), I was curious to see what Mr. Chick had to say about Catholicism. Of course it was nothing but the standard fundamentalist Prostestant argument that Catholics aren't real Christians, the Bible is the true authority, not the pope etc. Suddenly I was reminded of when I moved down to South Carolina (Southern Baptist territory) 11 years ago when I was ten. Whenever I was asked what my religion was (or "What church do you go to?"), I told them Catholic. They would ask, "So you worship Mary?" or "You don't believe in Jesus?" I would try to explain to them about my religion but it didn't seem to sink in. This started to wear on me after a while, and after being continually embarrassed for being Catholic and hearing all the ignorant shit these people believe, I just stopped caring about religion. I was never a fan of my own Catholicism anyway. (It probably also didn't help that I was self-concious, insecure, depressed adolescent). That Chick tract just reminded me of all that shit and made me realize how much I fucking hate, and I mean HATE, religion, especially fundamentalism. I try to laugh it off sometimes, but seeing what this shit does to people's intelligence just infuriates me. All the evolution-related education controversy we have in America can be traced to that idiotic mentality. I hate seeing Fundamentalist/evangelical music, movies, and books top the bestseller lists here. It just shows how many people buy into this shit. FUCK THEM. So, if you're an Evangelical/fundamentalist Christian and you want to save me because you "love me" or God "loves me", well FUCK YOU, JESUS IS A FUCKING CUNT!

― pissed off (latebloomer), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

did jesus fuck your wife or something?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

ile's religion bashing tendencies are among its lamest.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

FUCK YOU, JESUS IS A FUCKING CUNT!
Well, HE got laid (in a way).

― nathalie (nathalie), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

So you're an athiest now?

― Aja (aja), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

i tend to defend religion (tho i am not particularly religious despite having been raised Catholic) saying 'it's saved as many people as it has destroyed' but i was never sure if that was statistically true, heh

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Though I'm not Catholic, I had to deal with the same similar mindset of 'Catholicism does not equal Christianity' among some students of mine in a writing class once (this had to do with their choice of writing topic rather than some sort of theological battle royale in class, I should note!). I was deeply confused at their insistence and pointed out that Catholics quite clearly considered themselves Christians, much as these students wanted to assume or believe otherwise. I don't think I necessarily changed minds but I did bring them up a bit short at least.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

uhm, i wouldn't use Chick & fundamentalists as a cause to blame all religion.


remember, you can't spell fundamentalist without the "mentalist" or the "fund". crazy people with money can't get you down, yo.

― Kingfish Funyun (Kingfish), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

What's this dude's problem? I live in South Carolina too, it's not that friggin' bad. A lot of people from out of state have been moving down here for a while, so there's more infuences besides Southern Baptist around nowadays. This guy must live in a small town or something.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

latebloomer have you ever read "sybil"?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Why post your hate anonymously? Scared of thunderbolts? [Insert G. K. Chesterton quote]

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

"Have you read Sybil?"

No. Why?

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

haha

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, no reason

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

ile's religion bashing tendencies are among its lamest

yeah strongo, poor beleaguered religion, can't it find a friend anywhere?

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

oh grow up john.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm vaguely aware of the novel 'Sybil', I haven't read it though. What's it about?

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

whenever religion is brought up you turn into a 14 yr old who's just heard the dead kennedys for the first time last week.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

"we mature people have learned that religion is ok and there are broader social causes to the injustices and it's not the doctrine but what you do with it blah blah blah blah blah"

two things adolescents have always been right about: 1) the whole point is to have plenty of sex and 2) religion is bullshit

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I think that discourse about religion should be capable of getting past the FUCK IT ALL IT IS BAD AND IT CAUSES WARS YOU KNOW AND YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO THINK AND I AM GOING TO BURN DOWN A CHURCH WHILST LISTENING TO JUDAS PRIEST-stage, however this isn't often the case on ILE. Perhaps that is what Strongo means?

Sybil is about a girl with multiple personalities. The doctor tells me Jenny and Marsha like it but I think they are only trying to gain control of my body Arrghrhrhrhrh.

― Sarah no Jenny no Marsha arrgh (starry), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

What's Sybil about, strongo? I'm curious, you seemed amused at my ignorance, I want to know what was funny.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

previous poster just answered, never mind.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)

strongo means it irritates him that I hate Christianity & he thinks the mature thing to do would be keep a cool head about a major social evil

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I was tempted to go and do theology if I got to learn lots about masochistic old saints, especially Therese de Lisieux. However I think it wouldn't all be about drinking the pus from lepers (although that's Catherine of Sienna or something) so meh to it all.

― Sarah (starry), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

did jesus fuck your wife or something?

Hahaha....wow.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Gotta say, nothing revs my morning up more than blasphemy!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Well 'major social evils' like capitalism don't get such a hard time, TT.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah i hope yr living in the woods wiping yr ass with a thistle and, oh, you know, NOT COLLECTING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF RECORDS. ahem.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

"Gee, my younger punk self might have been angry about this. My youth embarasses me, therefore all its passions were misplaced!" BRING IT JESS

Enrique if you take down Christianity capitalism will follow, they're essentially the same thing, Catholic Worker anomalies & most Church-clinging lefties notwithstanding.

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

ok jess that last one made me laugh, now quit calling me John

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

only when you quit calling me jess

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I tend to think religion is a social good as long people respect other people's rights to disagree.

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh this looks like a good argument! What century are we in again now?

― my monks own this land, either convert or get orf moi land (starry), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)

strongo -- wha? lack of capitalism = tree people...? what is your name then?? i don't buy records hardly evah.

I'm warming to TT cos the religion i don't like is the protestant 'and the rise of capitalism' religion.

― R H Tawney (Enrique), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

enrique was that first line some sort of prose poem?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

don't warm to me, I'm just unnecessarily worked up over something that can't be fixed and besides it's helped so many people and what's the harm if people want a little comfort and besides remember so many of the 20th century's great leaders used religion as the gentle prod to introduce truly progressive ideas, it's so immature and ill-reasoned to imagine that the world might be a much richer and less hateful place without Christianity, and certainly cranking up one's rhetoric doesn't help a bit, etc etc etc etc

you called me john before I stopped calling you strongo, so, um, "nyah" or some comparably mature riposte

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Enrique if you take down Christianity capitalism will follow, they're essentially the same thing

Even assuming you are correct, how do you proposed getting rid of Christianity? I don't know why I'm asking, because the above statement proves you are evidently devoid of insight and pretty damn ignorant with it.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it's idiotic to perceive Christianity as a social evil - as much as any other religion - I can't believe this has to be pointed out over and over again but the problem is mis-interpretation of and too much reliance on religious texts which often seem to be founded on mis-interpretation themselves (NOT EVERYTHING IN THE BIBLE HAS TO BE ADHERED TO IN ORDER TO BE A TRUE CHRISTIAN shockah - this would be based on the traditional law of what's known as COMMON SENSE. of course this causes problems but remember a) who wrote the Bible (lots of men) and b) all the actual worthwhile books in it coincidentally DON'T contain any mention of 'God hating homosexuals', 'bathing in ass milk after masturbating' or other nonsense)

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah you're only supposed to believe the nice bits ;)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

i dont like christianity or capitalism, but wouldnt you say that capitalism was the motor for the removal of christianity from governance,(sep of church/state)? ie, capitalism could be posited as a refutation of religion (and then, as the future victor, it remoulded christianity in its own image, as germanic protestantism), leading to the death of overt christianity, and the rise of implicit christianity.

but the implicitness of capitalist protestantism became so implicit and unsaid that it faded away, disappeared from public life, and now christianity is fighting back against capitalism, trying to regain its crown?

― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

strongo I apologize, you're right about everything except your first point (ile's "religion bashing" tendencies = only if my one-man crusade counts as a "tendency," everybody else luvs the stuff) - people are so eager to say "oh Christianity isn't the problem, it's MISINTERPRETATION!" that trying to resist is tilting against the highest windmill

but stevem the short version is, of course the text is mutable, all texts are infinitely mutable, so you gotta judge the religion on its track record (not on your or my or anybody else's reading of 'what the Bible really means: there is no 'what it really means'). "The actual worthwhile books" = according to whom? Christianity's historical record makes all the other religions look like harmless infants.

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sure if you remove every trace of Christianity from the world people would find some other justification for acting like cunts. Pinning it on one religion or another (or all of them - those crazy fundamentalist Buddhists eh?) seems like finding a convenient scapegoat and a refusal to look at the heart of the problem.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

but religion has surely worked well as a social mode of control? opium of the people and all that?

― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sure if you remove every trace of Christianity from the world people would find some other justification for acting like cunts.

OTM OTM OTM DELETE ILE NOW

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

This board has been deleted by a moderator. There will be no more talk of god.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Yay!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

im not sure its about 'behaving like cunts', surely we are talking more about power structures than individuals beliefs?

― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Friday, 6 February 2004 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

so you gotta judge the religion on its track record

this is the error - a religion is not tangible in that sense - you can only judge the accuracy of the practitioners of the religion in doing just that.

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 6 February 2004 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

the implicitness of capitalist protestantism became so implicit and unsaid that it faded away, disappeared from public life, and now christianity is fighting back against capitalism, trying to regain its crown?

This is v interesting, but I disagree quite strongly -- I still think the ol' Xtian values of graft, monogamy, and ooh, everything else that're up in my grill at this moment in time, are going strong.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 6 February 2004 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, look - the heart of the problem is obviously human nature, right? It's not as though Christianity invented the human proclivity for cruelty. So then we might ask: "How best to discourage the basest human tendencies?" I submit to you that Christianity (brilliantly, if the world were a novel and not flesh-n-bones) models as an ideology meant to encourage our nobler tendencies while actually facilitating our worst ones. I'd agree that if Buddhism had thought up the Crusades, or had as many missionary tendencies, I might well rant about the myriad evils of Buddhism. But the fact is that Christianity invented proselytizing; historically, religions had been something sought-out by willing participants, not brought to them. Christianity changed all that. For the worse. To say so, even on a thread titled "I Fucking Hate Religion," is apparently the not-done thing, though.

xpost. Stevem, the religion is its adherents - even according to the religion itself ("we are the body of Christ" both in the Catholic mass & in protestant doctrine, "by their fruits shall ye know them," etc). In this way religion is great, because most philosophies don't have workshops where you can see whether their ideas play out or not. Christianity does: the Western world!

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 6 February 2004 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Skipping 76 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.
THIS TIME TRIFE HAS RETURNED... AS THE LION
http://endtimeillustrated.com/Images/daniel9.gif

― $$, Friday, 6 February 2004 19:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Y'all have made me feel alot better. Maybe I was a little to harsh on religion. In fact, now I SEE THE LIGHT! LORD GOD I REALIZE NOW THAT I AM A SINNER! WASH AWAY MY SINS WITH THE BLOOD OF YOUR ONLY SON, JESUS CHRIST! I REPENT!

― pissed off (latebloomer), Friday, 6 February 2004 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)

shut up

― $$, Friday, 6 February 2004 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeesh, that last one.

Meanwhile, the 'You want me to take MUH hat off?' dude is a worse stereotype than anything discussed in that freakin' Simpsons thread, I think.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.calebproject.org/super.gif

― $$, Friday, 6 February 2004 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

THEY ALL LOOK SO DELICIOUS
http://www.calebproject.org/hand.gif

― $$, Friday, 6 February 2004 19:35 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.calebproject.org/rip.gif

― $$, Friday, 6 February 2004 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Even though that carttonis right, i know you are posting them "ironically" or whatever. I would rather you stop mocking the man who died for your sins. I have seen the light, now y'all should too.

― savedandhappy (latebloomer), Friday, 6 February 2004 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I meant that the "cartoon is right", not "carttonis right". sorry, lord, and sorry everyone else! Praise Jesus.

― savedandhappy (latebloomer), Friday, 6 February 2004 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread is starting to suck again.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 6 February 2004 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

THIS JPG TRULY IS THE NEW SISTINE CHAPEL FOR OUR TIMES http://www.apokalupsis.com/stpaul/stpaulpage1.jpg

― $$, Friday, 6 February 2004 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Martin otm.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Friday, 6 February 2004 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, YOU SUCK, CAUSE GOD TOLD ME SO!!!!

― righteous man (latebloomer), Friday, 6 February 2004 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Dude, at least log out.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Friday, 6 February 2004 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.jesuschristislord.net/jesus3_new.gif
http://www.jesuschristislord.net/jesus3_new.gif
http://www.jesuschristislord.net/jesus3_new.gif
http://www.jesuschristislord.net/jesus3_new.gif

― $$, Friday, 6 February 2004 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

This is a weird forum.

― panda (latebloomer), Friday, 6 February 2004 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

That transition between the people at the table staring at Paul and "Land is sighted! Malta!" is so weird, strange and wonderful.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Like the Lord himself.

― savedandhappy (latebloomer), Friday, 6 February 2004 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)

This is the thread where we guess how many bags of dicks latebloomer can eat.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 February 2004 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Plenty, hon.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 6 February 2004 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

This is the thread where we guess how many bags of dicks latebloomer can eat.

ha ha... this thread no longer sucks.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 6 February 2004 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Does everyone think I started this thread for some reason?

Believe me, I don't mind eating bags of dicks if I have to.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 6 February 2004 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

But I'd rather suck them instead.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 6 February 2004 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Clicking the "Show All Details" link really makes this thread beyond hilarious.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 February 2004 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I just did that....I don't know what to think now.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 6 February 2004 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

What's going on?

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 6 February 2004 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Does everyone think I started this thread for some reason?

-latebloomer

Yes. Yes we do.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 6 February 2004 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I looked at the show all details thing, but my name is next to...wait a minute! That explains the blackouts!

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 6 February 2004 20:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Sybil...now I get it!

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 6 February 2004 20:42 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't really get why some people are all like 'man these dicks are just talking a load of shit about religion so i'll just derail the thread with some (admittedly very amusing for the most part) pictures'.

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:01 (twenty-two years ago)

stevem, trife (& I guess strongo) get all pissed off when I go on my "delete Christianity now" biz, esp. trife who cannot abide any serious discussion of how Xity is lame. However the derailing really is much better than the thread so it's all good.

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I really like religion with a passion. But I don't actually practice any, I just like reading about it.

― ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:12 (twenty-two years ago)

There's not really a lot of thread to derail when the topic is "I fucking hate religion." I mean that doesn't exactly beg to be discussed thoroughly.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Now, if it was called "I hate fucking religion" or "I hate fucking the religious," the discussion would be in-depth and thoughtful, with William Buckley contemplating the nature of connubial intercourse with believers.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)

INTO THE PENALTY BOX WITH YOU NED RAGGETT

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Is that what they call it nowadays?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I was actually hoping to see "I like fucking with the religious" because that would could really go either way. What with there being a couple entendres and all...

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:18 (twenty-two years ago)

heheh "would could"

pick either. delete the other.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:18 (twenty-two years ago)

i think a thread title 'i fucking hate religion' is perfect for discussion and i immediately wanted to know the reasons why and whether the points made were valid. i'm sure it's been done before and will be done again - i don't think a bunch of people showing up just to effectively say 'this thread sucks you idiots' is helpful.

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think it sucked.

I enjoy reading about religion because I find it interesting the different ways people devote their lives to a alledged higher power.

I also believe heaven/the afterlife is something humans invented to deal with the hopelessness of death, but thats another story.

― ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I think people objected because the "guy pretending to argue with himself" schtick was kind of played out.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

El Diablo OTM.

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I suck at hoaxing. I'm an incompetent prankster.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Obviously.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:57 (twenty-two years ago)

best post on whole thread tho:

So you're an athiest now?
-- Aja

― martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:57 (twenty-two years ago)

This is the thread where we guess how many bags of dicks latebloomer can eat.

Now comes in "Spicy Barbeque", "Saucy Ranch" and new "Honey Poontang" flavors!
Betcha can't eat just one.

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Saturday, 7 February 2004 01:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Ya got bleu-cheese to go with that?

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 7 February 2004 04:09 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread VS Most Obnoxious ILM Poster? FITE

― sfsdfasd, Saturday, 7 February 2004 11:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I admit this is an obnoxious thread. I only started it because that Jack Chick link brought back memories of events that happened when I moved down here to South Carolina. I was just venting, really. I actually don't have a very rigid or intolerant view of religion as I made it seem (I did when I was younger, though). I apologize for trying to keep the joke going on and on way after others had figured it out (thanks to my incompetence). I am very sincerely sorry.

Oh, and that "Jesus is a cunt" line was a phrase on the back of a Cradle of Filth t-shirt I remember seeing somewhere.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 7 February 2004 12:24 (twenty-two years ago)

four years pass...

http://i36.tinypic.com/2lm6vtd.jpg

― Mare Street tour guide (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 29 January 2009 13:50 (seventeen years ago)


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.
Site New Answers Search Boards ILM ILE Answers New Question New Questions New Poll Blog View Register Login