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South London is clearly Brooklyn. Le Marais in Paris is obviously Darlinghurst in Sydney. Rue de Rivoli is Oxford Street. It's all the same.

Dude The Obscure, Wednesday, 3 March 2004 11:17 (twenty-one years ago)

"South London" is a bit big and diverse to be compared to one bit of NYC, I think.

London has no equivalent of Montmatre, as far as I can see.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 11:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Montmartre equals Barrio Alto in Lisbon.

Dude The Obscure, Wednesday, 3 March 2004 11:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Matt you realize that Brooklyn has more people than Atlanta, Boston, and San Francisco combined, right?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 11:30 (twenty-one years ago)

But there are huge correlations between Brixton and Brooklyn, right Tracer?

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 11:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Highgate is Monmatre.

I think we are stretching the definition of the word exctly here.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 11:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Montmatre=Westbourne grove

winterland, Wednesday, 3 March 2004 11:35 (twenty-one years ago)

tracer said that every single bit of london seems to be brooklyn

geeta said that every single bit of london seems to be brooklyn

gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 11:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Is soho soho?

winterland, Wednesday, 3 March 2004 11:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Canal St. Martin = Camden Canal
El Raval (Barcelona) = Barbès (Paris)

Dude The Obscure, Wednesday, 3 March 2004 11:37 (twenty-one years ago)

london trocadero = trocadero paris?

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)

How diverse is Brooklyn - socially, geographically?

Does London have a Bronx?

I'm fairly sure you cannot map NYC onto Canterbury, but I'd be impressed if anyone could give it a try.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 11:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't get this game

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 11:47 (twenty-one years ago)

you should phone the helpline

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 11:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I heard there were swamps, in brooklyn, but people don't know it.

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

ILE London NYC swap.

Suzy actually did most of both cities here.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 11:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd forgotten about that. Suzy could see me living in Tompkins Square. This worries me because I have no idea what it might mean.

Ricardo (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 12:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i like tompkins square

gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Gareth, you like Goole!

Ricardo (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 12:32 (twenty-one years ago)

its not like goole, believe me

gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Tompkins is a good ILXer amalgam

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 12:44 (twenty-one years ago)

suzy saw you living in Tompkins Square?? RickyT you have left your days as a crack-addled New York bum woefully undocumented.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Greenwich Village is Greenwich?

Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 12:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Greenwich Village = Bloomsbury.

I think the currently equivalent of Brixton is like a combo of Harlem and Flatbush, with Irving Place (the venue) dropped right into the middle of it, for fun.

Knoxville's answer to Le Marais is about 40 feet of road near Cummberland avenue, behind the law school. Cafe tables, gay men, dog shit everywhere. It's eerie.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

(Bloomsbury is like an idealized movie-set version of Greenwich Village, however - the streets are all straight and the houses are all nice)

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

But there are crapola pubs in the main.

Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)

nonononono Bloomsbury is like Gramercy Park.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Dawlish is Queens.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Paris - St Germain = London - Soho

mzui, Wednesday, 3 March 2004 13:46 (twenty-one years ago)

This would be more interesting as an exercise in developing a nomenclature for the different kinds of neighborhoods which share a set of characteristics and are common to every large metropolis - right now we have "ghetto" and not much else. A standard taxonomy of zones could do a lot to improve urban studies and city planning efforts, I imagine.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 3 March 2004 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

this thread title should be a Minor Thirds song.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Damn suzy OTM.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Ecology and the Fractal Mind in the New Architecture: a Conversation.
http://www.math.utsa.edu/sphere/salingar/Ecology.html


"Nikos Salingaros (NS): For the past few years, I have been applying the analytic thinking of a scientist to find basic laws for architecture and urbanism, following the lead of my friend, the brilliant architectural theorist Christopher Alexander. The results derived so far show that a building, or city, is subject to the same organizational laws as a biological organism and a complex computer program. The New Architecture depends upon scientific rules rather than stylistic dictates."

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

SCIENCE

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 3 March 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

2 zones I can think of that need names

1. dead by day, packed by night bar/club districts with entire population seemingly consisting of twentysomethings and cloistered immigrants

2. packed by day, dead by night neighborhoods which support an incredibly high property value and crazy shopping, shoe and furniture boutiques every 15 feet type of thing, population strangely consisting of professionals and gasp students

also

3. McMansion suburban neighborhoods where everyone leaves the house at the same exact time, businesses would be better off holding hours from 5-10pm, basically people putting up with a hard commute because "I don't want my kids to have to go to school in the city."

and what are the pressures that create these phenomena/how do really explain Georgetown or the Lower East Side evolving into what they've become?

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 3 March 2004 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Tom, you need to read a book called Edge City and Neal Stevenson's Snowcrash and you will have the right names for everything at your fingertips (I like McMansions but the neighbourhood calibration thing is making me think that song from Mary Poppins where one of the verses starts 'an English bank'). And you might enjoy them both anyway.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

A standard taxonomy of zones could do a lot to improve urban studies and city planning efforts, I imagine.

get a copy of grady clay's 'real places' IMMEDIATELY. it's exactly what you're talking about.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't think that much of london/nyc correlates, but tracer's otm regarding brixton.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

"South London" is a bit big and diverse to be compared to one bit of NYC, I think.

Brooklyn, with a population of nearly 2.5 million, such that were it separately incorporated it would be the fourth-largest city by population in the United States, is larger in population than South London. The population is 65% non-white, nearly 35% black, 20% hispanic or latino of any race and 7.5% asian. Nearly 38% of residents are foreign-born. There are large communities of Caribbean, Russian Jewish, Italian, and Arab immigrants, and the largest hasidic community in America.

Brooklyn has a land area of more than 70 square miles (more if you include water), which I imagine is smaller than that of South London. It includes multiple neighborhoods that are home to a mix of low-density residential housing, public housing projects, a regional downtown business district, and more than one waterfront industrial sector. Four bridges and one tunnel connect Brooklyn to Manhattan and Staten Island.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

(like I ever go there)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Me and a mate say that Southport has it's own Soho. This is because it has a market, a second hand record shop, a computer games shop, a skate shop and did have a 'vintage' clothing place for about a month.

This, my friends, is why I'm moving.

Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)


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